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Election Archive => 2016 U.S. Presidential Election => Topic started by: Devout Centrist on October 14, 2016, 02:17:04 PM



Title: Hack Fraud Nate Silver Argues New Hampshire is Most Vunerable Freiwal State
Post by: Devout Centrist on October 14, 2016, 02:17:04 PM
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-watch-new-hampshire-for-signs-of-a-trump-comeback/

Sad!


Title: Re: Hack Fraud Nate Silver Argues New Hampshire is Most Vunerable Freiwal State
Post by: Maxwell on October 14, 2016, 02:18:17 PM
i mean probably not but even if it is that speaks volumes about how tough the feriwall is.


Title: Re: Hack Fraud Nate Silver Argues New Hampshire is Most Vunerable Freiwal State
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on October 14, 2016, 02:20:32 PM
I've said it's whiteness is concerning. White women for Hillary have to outvote white men for Trump in the state and that could be a tall order.


Title: Re: Hack Fraud Nate Silver Argues New Hampshire is Most Vunerable Freiwal State
Post by: eric82oslo on October 14, 2016, 02:21:39 PM
He's 100% right though. The only 270 EV states for Clinton that is not at least 98.7% sure to go for Clinton yet are New Hampshire and Pennsylvania. New Hampshire is around 97% sure, while Pennsylvania is 98% sure.


Title: Re: Hack Fraud Nate Silver Argues New Hampshire is Most Vunerable Freiwal State
Post by: rafta_rafta on October 14, 2016, 02:22:36 PM
Silver's mathematical model is robust but most 538 articles are garbage clickbait, especially during election season. They had an article yesterday detailing how McMuffin could become president


Title: Re: Hack Fraud Nate Silver Argues New Hampshire is Most Vunerable Freiwal State
Post by: ursulahx on October 14, 2016, 02:32:56 PM
Silver's mathematical model is robust but most 538 articles are garbage clickbait, especially during election season.

*Applause*

Why aren't more people realising this obvious truth? (Although I have my doubts about the model as well.)


Title: Re: Hack Fraud Nate Silver Argues New Hampshire is Most Vunerable Freiwal State
Post by: Xing on October 14, 2016, 02:34:27 PM
That could be, but that just means that Trump has lost the election, because NH is gone for him.


Title: Re: Hack Fraud Nate Silver Argues New Hampshire is Most Vunerable Freiwal State
Post by: Devout Centrist on October 14, 2016, 02:37:28 PM
The sad thing is that when this election is over and Clinton wins NH by 7-11 points, people will just say that Trump was a "bad fit" for NH and that Kasich would have easily beaten Clinton in NH.
At this rate, Breitbart's gonna dominate the GOP and argue to repeal the 19th amendment.


Title: Re: Hack Fraud Nate Silver Argues New Hampshire is Most Vunerable Freiwal State
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on October 14, 2016, 02:40:40 PM
To be fair, the only way Trump can win is through NH. He's not winning Pennsylvania.


Title: Re: Hack Fraud Nate Silver Argues New Hampshire is Most Vunerable Freiwal State
Post by: Lief 🗽 on October 14, 2016, 02:58:57 PM
What a goddamn idiot.


Title: Re: Hack Fraud Nate Silver Argues New Hampshire is Most Vunerable Freiwal State
Post by: Skye on October 14, 2016, 03:37:40 PM
What's up with these crap titles? The state of this board is so sad.


Title: Re: Hack Fraud Nate Silver Argues New Hampshire is Most Vunerable Freiwal State
Post by: Devout Centrist on October 14, 2016, 03:48:37 PM
What's up with these crap titles? The state of this board is so sad.
I'm doing a poor attempt at exaggerated humor.


Title: Re: Hack Fraud Nate Silver Argues New Hampshire is Most Vunerable Freiwal State
Post by: Skye on October 14, 2016, 03:52:08 PM
What's up with these crap titles? The state of this board is so sad.
I'm doing a poor attempt at exaggerated humor.
There are people on this forum who would have used this title seriously.


Title: Re: Hack Fraud Nate Silver Argues New Hampshire is Most Vunerable Freiwal State
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 14, 2016, 03:53:53 PM
i don't blame silver...he has popularized statistics and he needs to fill this super-blog on a daily basis and never ever overlook even one trend.

NH may be more volatile than most other states....trump just won't win it anyway.


Title: Re: Hack Fraud Nate Silver Argues New Hampshire is Most Vunerable Freiwal State
Post by: rafta_rafta on October 14, 2016, 04:14:52 PM
Silver's mathematical model is robust but most 538 articles are garbage clickbait, especially during election season.

*Applause*

Why aren't more people realising this obvious truth? (Although I have my doubts about the model as well.)

It does seem to be more volatile this time around but that could just be due to high number of undecideds


Title: Re: Hack Fraud Nate Silver Argues New Hampshire is Most Vunerable Freiwal State
Post by: mark_twain on October 14, 2016, 04:16:34 PM
So basically the article is saying that NH is a more "elastic" state, and therefore Clinton's lead is less certain there.

Well, then with 4 electoral votes, and assuming Trump wins NH (in the remote case that he does), how is Trump going to capture NV, NC and FL, which have now entered Clinton's control, with 6, 15 and 29 electoral votes?



Title: Re: Hack Fraud Nate Silver Argues New Hampshire is Most Vunerable Freiwal State
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 14, 2016, 04:19:42 PM
trump's collection of possible small states (iowa, nevada, NH) or single state votes (maine) is only accounting for something, if he gets florida AND north carolina AND holds utah......and even then he needs OH and THEN it becomes even close enough for that stuff to matter.

highly unrealistic.


Title: Re: Hack Fraud Nate Silver Argues New Hampshire is Most Vunerable Freiwal State
Post by: ProudModerate2 on October 14, 2016, 04:35:28 PM
I didn't read the article, but if I look at the "Chance of winning" percentages in the "Polls-Plus Forcast" model, New Hampshire's numbers are "Clinton 80.6%" and "trump 19.4%"
Out of all the states in the 272 Firewall, this (N.H.) is the lowest percentage for Hillary.

So what Nate is saying is just simply this. That according to his numbers 80.6% is the lowest.
BUT IT IS STILL A VERY HIGH PROBABILITY (80.6%) that Clinton will win NH.
It seems that some people are making to big of a fuss about this whole thing (again I did not read the article).


Title: Re: Hack Fraud Nate Silver Argues New Hampshire is Most Vunerable Freiwal State
Post by: MT Treasurer on December 18, 2018, 04:50:57 PM
Ouch! Surely people have learned their lesson from 2016 and the 2020 board won’t be replete with "Trump is more likely to win NH/NV than WI/MI/PA" hottakes, right? Right? Right?

Haha, who am I kidding.


Title: Re: Hack Fraud Nate Silver Argues New Hampshire is Most Vunerable Freiwal State
Post by: Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner on December 18, 2018, 06:27:03 PM
Ouch! Surely people have learned their lesson from 2016 and the 2020 board won’t be replete with "Trump is more likely to win NH/NV than WI/MI/PA" hottakes, right? Right? Right?

Haha, who am I kidding.
It went for Clinton by less than half a point. Stop pretending it is Safe D.


Title: Re: Hack Fraud Nate Silver Argues New Hampshire is Most Vunerable Freiwal State
Post by: Beefalow and the Consumer on December 31, 2018, 01:18:27 AM
Ouch! Surely people have learned their lesson from 2016 and the 2020 board won’t be replete with "Trump is more likely to win NH/NV than WI/MI/PA" hottakes, right? Right? Right?

Haha, who am I kidding.
It went for Clinton by less than half a point. Stop pretending it is Safe D.

NH is Safe D, WI is Safe R, and Trump's path to reelection goes through Connecticut.


Title: Re: Hack Fraud Nate Silver Argues New Hampshire is Most Vunerable Freiwal State
Post by: No War, but the War on Christmas on December 31, 2018, 01:46:44 AM
So ironically enough; NH was the only FREIWAL state that didn't break?


Title: Re: Hack Fraud Nate Silver Argues New Hampshire is Most Vunerable Freiwal State
Post by: brucejoel99 on December 31, 2018, 03:34:48 AM
So ironically enough; NH was the only FREIWAL state that didn't break?

RIP the other freiwal states