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Title: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: Dr. RI on October 17, 2016, 09:42:24 am
Trump 30%, McMullin 29%, Clinton: 28%, Johnson 5%, Stein 1%

https://twitter.com/Politics1com/status/788025701224050688 (https://twitter.com/Politics1com/status/788025701224050688)

http://heatst.com/world/exclusive-evan-mcmullin-utah-poll-independent-conservative-ties-trump/ (http://heatst.com/world/exclusive-evan-mcmullin-utah-poll-independent-conservative-ties-trump/)


Title: UT - Rasmussen: Trump - 30, McMullin - 29, Clinton - 28, Johnson - 5
Post by: Ozymandias on October 17, 2016, 09:42:40 am
http://heatst.com/politics/exclusive-evan-mcmullin-utah-poll-independent-conservative-ties-trump/?mod=sm_tw_post

Trump - 30,
McMullin -29
Clinton - 28
Johnson - 5
Stein - 1

10/15-10/16, 725 LV, 4% MOE


Title: Re: UT - Rasmussen: Trump - 30, McMullin -29, Clinton - 28, Johnson - 5
Post by: mark_twain on October 17, 2016, 09:43:27 am
Great poll!


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen: McMullin down one
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on October 17, 2016, 09:43:36 am
Wow!  It looks like UT really could go to any of the three.


Title: Re: UT - Rasmussen: Trump - 30, McMullin -29, Clinton - 28, Johnson - 5
Post by: Sir Mohamed on October 17, 2016, 09:45:58 am
LOL. #Muffinmentum and #TrumpCollpase.


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen: McMullin down one
Post by: Dr. RI on October 17, 2016, 09:46:16 am
Gary Johnson's in free-fall here. Not overly surprising, I guess.


Title: Re: UT - Rasmussen: Trump - 30, McMullin - 29, Clinton - 28, Johnson - 5
Post by: North Fulton Democrat on October 17, 2016, 09:48:09 am
This would be an amazing finish!


Title: Re: UT - Rasmussen: Trump - 30, McMullin - 29, Clinton - 28, Johnson - 5
Post by: Classic Conservative on October 17, 2016, 09:49:04 am
Johnson has crashed


Title: Re: UT - Rasmussen: Trump - 30, McMullin - 29, Clinton - 28, Johnson - 5
Post by: rafta_rafta on October 17, 2016, 09:49:08 am
it's a Rassy poll so I remain a skeptic


Title: Re: UT - Rasmussen: Trump - 30, McMullin - 29, Clinton - 28, Johnson - 5
Post by: Edu on October 17, 2016, 09:49:20 am
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

GLORIOUS!


Title: Re: UT - Rasmussen: Trump - 30, McMullin - 29, Clinton - 28, Johnson - 5
Post by: Edgar Suit Larry on October 17, 2016, 09:50:34 am
This is funny.


Title: Re: UT - Rasmussen: Trump - 30, McMullin - 29, Clinton - 28, Johnson - 5
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 17, 2016, 09:54:27 am
McMullin's the favorite in UT now as far as I'm concerned.


Title: Re: UT - Rasmussen: Trump - 30, McMullin - 29, Clinton - 28, Johnson - 5
Post by: Gass3268 on October 17, 2016, 09:55:37 am
Could Johnson + McMullin give Idaho to Clinton?


Title: Re: UT - Rasmussen: Trump - 30, McMullin - 29, Clinton - 28, Johnson - 5
Post by: ‼realJohnEwards‼ on October 17, 2016, 09:56:03 am
From Trump U Rasmussen no less. Freedom poll!


Title: Re: UT - Rasmussen: Trump - 30, McMullin - 29, Clinton - 28, Johnson - 5
Post by: Erc on October 17, 2016, 09:59:40 am
Could Johnson + McMullin give Idaho to Clinton?

Mormons are (at best) a quarter of the electorate in Idaho, as opposed to three-quarters in Utah.  Trump could lose a majority in Utah, but he'd still win the plurality.


Title: Re: UT - Rasmussen: Trump - 30, McMullin - 29, Clinton - 28, Johnson - 5
Post by: ursulahx on October 17, 2016, 10:00:36 am
OK, Rasmussen, but still... go Evan! ;)


Title: Re: UT - Rasmussen: Trump - 30, McMullin - 29, Clinton - 28, Johnson - 5
Post by: Gustaf on October 17, 2016, 10:04:12 am
Could Johnson + McMullin give Idaho to Clinton?

Mormons are (at best) a quarter of the electorate in Idaho, as opposed to three-quarters in Utah.  Trump could lose a majority in Utah, but he'd still win the plurality.

Yeah, there's enough non-Mormon Republicans in Idaho to keep it in line.

If Trump continues to crash and burn though I think McMullin has a pretty good chance in Utah if his name recognition keeps climbing.


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen: McMullin down one
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 17, 2016, 10:04:52 am
Note that the survey date is after we already had multiple Utah polls released with McMullin at 20% or more.  As I said a few days ago, the mere fact that McMullin made it to 20% or more in a couple of polls has the possibility of creating a positive feedback loop for him: The Utah media gives a bunch of coverage to McMullin's poll #s, which exposes many more Utah voters to the fact that there is a guy running for president named Evan McMullin, which boosts his poll #s, which leads to more media coverage, etc.  It's not unexpected for a candidate starting with low name recognition but high support among those who know him.


Title: Re: UT - Rasmussen: Trump - 30, McMullin - 29, Clinton - 28, Johnson - 5
Post by: RJEvans on October 17, 2016, 10:08:27 am
McMullin's the favorite in UT now as far as I'm concerned.

He has the momentum but I'm not sure he can sustain it for 3 weeks. He needs money. Barnstorm the state and maybe he can pull it off. I will love it.


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen: McMullin down one
Post by: pbrower2a on October 17, 2016, 10:08:52 am
The more that the media disclose about the personal life of Donald Trump, the less compatible he seems with Mormon values. Add to that, his ethnic and religious bigotry is incompatible with Mormon objectives of proselytizing to people in America, including illegal aliens.

It may now be hard to believe, but Utah used to be a fairly-reliable Democratic state, going every time for FDR (OK, lots of states did) and Truman in a close election in 1948. Only in the 1950s did it go Republican as Dwight Eisenhower successfully cultivated the Mormon vote.

Mormons used to be religious 'outsiders' who did not fully trust the Protestant Establishment, and voted something like Jews. Eisenhower convinced Mormons that they were mainstream and that the GOP had become friendly to Mormons.  


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen: McMullin down one
Post by: Gass3268 on October 17, 2016, 10:22:29 am
We had Dixiecrats, what should McMullin's supporters be called.

Mormoncans?


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen: McMullin down one
Post by: Classic Conservative on October 17, 2016, 10:25:21 am
I'd probably vote for him in Utah


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen: McMullin down one
Post by: Sprouts Farmers Market ✘ on October 17, 2016, 10:26:25 am
I'd probably vote for him in Utah

Traitor.


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen: McMullin down one
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 17, 2016, 10:35:25 am
So should Trump run negative ads against McMullin?  Or is that stupid because it just raises his profile even more?


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen: McMullin down one
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 17, 2016, 10:37:55 am
So should Trump run negative ads against McMullin?  Or is that stupid because it just raises his profile even more?

Moreover, does he even have the money to bother running ads in UT? He's pulled out of VA. If he did, though, it would be a boon for McMullin for sure.


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen: McMullin down one
Post by: ProudModerate2 on October 17, 2016, 10:38:10 am
Wow!  It looks like UT really could go to any of the three.


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen: McMullin down one
Post by: Gass3268 on October 17, 2016, 10:39:18 am
So should Trump run negative ads against McMullin?  Or is that stupid because it just raises his profile even more?


Other question is does the Clinton camp make a play here or maybe even give support to McMullin?


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen: McMullin down one
Post by: MasterJedi on October 17, 2016, 11:02:13 am
So should Trump run negative ads against McMullin?  Or is that stupid because it just raises his profile even more?


Other question is does the Clinton camp make a play here or maybe even give support to McMullin?

The "play" I'd try to make is to GOTV since if McMullin can pull more Trump support she has a chance to win it with say 30% of the vote or so. Or maybe run a negative ad or so against Trump to just tank him in general, don't even say "vote for Clinton".


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: yeah_93 on October 17, 2016, 11:29:15 am
Suddenly everyone trusts Rasmussen here? How convenient.


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: Gass3268 on October 17, 2016, 11:30:41 am
Suddenly everyone trusts Rasmussen here? How convenient.

Its another poll showing this race close more than anything.


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: Vosem on October 17, 2016, 11:34:29 am
Suddenly everyone trusts Rasmussen here? How convenient.

Considering Rasmussen normally has a noted pro-Trump house effect, a poll from Rasmussen showing Trump weak is indeed a noteworthy survey.


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen: McMullin down one
Post by: Fargobison on October 17, 2016, 11:36:17 am
This goes along with other polls, isn't the CBS poll kind of screwy with 3rd party candidates?


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen: McMullin down one
Post by: Zioneer on October 17, 2016, 11:37:43 am
We had Dixiecrats, what should McMullin's supporters be called.

Mormoncans?

Mormonpublican? Mormocrat?

Side note, the early 1830s and 40s Mormons called the politicians and militias against them "mobocrats".

And yeah, considering this is Rasmussen, I imagine the Clinton/McMullin numbers could be even higher. A dead heat is still pretty impressive though.


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen: McMullin down one
Post by: PaperKooper on October 17, 2016, 11:43:23 am
I'd probably vote for him in Utah
I would vote for McMullin if I lived in Utah


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen: McMullin down one
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 17, 2016, 11:46:34 am
We had Dixiecrats, what should McMullin's supporters be called.

Mormoncans?

Mormonpublican? Mormocrat?

Side note, the early 1830s and 40s Mormons called the politicians and militias against them "mobocrats".

And yeah, considering this is Rasmussen, I imagine the Clinton/McMullin numbers could be even higher. A dead heat is still pretty impressive though.

Out of curiosity, are in Utah, as your profile says?  Can you give us any "on the ground" insight into McMentum?  Is McMullin getting covered on local news, and does he have a lot of yard signs and so forth?


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: EliteLX on October 17, 2016, 11:51:20 am
And McMullin still has under 50% name recognition state wide..

he very, very easily could win this state in the next three weeks.


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on October 17, 2016, 11:54:58 am
Suddenly everyone trusts Rasmussen here? How convenient.

Considering Rasmussen normally has a noted pro-Trump house effect, a poll from Rasmussen showing Trump weak is indeed a noteworthy survey.

They do have an R lean, but that's based on two-way polling data.  I'd be very hesitant to assume that it necessarily applies in a close three-way race.


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen: McMullin down one
Post by: Simfan34 on October 17, 2016, 11:56:34 am
So should Trump run negative ads against McMullin?  Or is that stupid because it just raises his profile even more?

What would he say? That McMullin has no experience with elected office?


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 17, 2016, 12:00:43 pm
maybe the mccaskill strategy? dems campaigning against mcmullen?


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen: McMullin down one
Post by: Zioneer on October 17, 2016, 12:06:12 pm
We had Dixiecrats, what should McMullin's supporters be called.

Mormoncans?

Mormonpublican? Mormocrat?

Side note, the early 1830s and 40s Mormons called the politicians and militias against them "mobocrats".

And yeah, considering this is Rasmussen, I imagine the Clinton/McMullin numbers could be even higher. A dead heat is still pretty impressive though.

Out of curiosity, are in Utah, as your profile says?  Can you give us any "on the ground" insight into McMentum?  Is McMullin getting covered on local news, and does he have a lot of yard signs and so forth?


I do in fact live in Utah, and I am in fact a Democrat, and Mormon as well.

I can't really give too much insight onto the "on the ground" stuff, as I'm not involved with McMullin's campaign, or really any campaign at the moment.

Here's what I can say: the majority of Utahs despise both Trump and Clinton, and don't really see anything to admire in Gary Johnson either, though they don't hate him as much. But with two and a half hated candidates, Utah became fertile ground for someone who isn't any of those candidates.

Enter Evan McMullin into the scene. McMullin is heavily promoted by local political-watchers, and he is at first considered a meaningless protest candidate (which, outside of Utah, he is), but he steadily gains support. Eventually these newest polls show he could actually win Utah, albeit with a plurality. The local media goes wild, and there's dozens of articles on McMullin from every newspaper, and McMullin even scores a couple of interviews.

This positive feedback is building up his support even more, as more people learn who McMullin is, and compare him favorably to the two front-runners and the Libertarians (who Utahns aren't really compatible with anyway). McMullin's soft-spoken but firm style, service in the CIA (incidentally, there are a lot of Mormons in the FBI and CIA), and his Mormon faith and values greatly appeal to Utahns, especially considering the two front-runners.

It doesn't hurt that McMullin is mostly campaigning in Mormon-heavy areas in Utah and Idaho. Specifically, in Idaho, he's campaigned in areas with BYU-I students... some of whom are from Utah and vote absentee. So that's even more potential Utah votes.

As for signs, I haven't seen many yet, but he is getting covered in local news extensively.


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen: McMullin down one
Post by: Tulsi "Both sides" Gabbard on October 17, 2016, 12:24:26 pm
Wow!  It looks like UT really could go to any of the three.
I would expect endorsements to pile on for McMullin after the last debate and mmoreTrump leaks.


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: pbrower2a on October 17, 2016, 12:36:44 pm
What positive message could Donald Trump have for Utah?

Grabbing women's crotches isn't a Mormon value. Walking into female changing rooms if one is a man isn't a Mormon value. Involvement with gambling or pornography offends Mormon values.  There could be some very late voting in Utah, and it might not go well for Trump.

First presidential election since 1924  in which some independent or Third Party nominee who is not a racist secession from one of the two main parties wins the electoral votes of a state? That would be rich.

Mormons have a right to their sexual values, and the message might as well be clear: do not expect Mormon votes as a Presidential nominee if you violate those values. In an election that they know will be a Trump loss, they might want to teach us all a valid lesson.   


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: Hugo Award nominee on October 17, 2016, 12:41:17 pm
BASEHEAD DON IS SWEATING LIKE A DOG! Great poll!


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen: McMullin down one
Post by: Fubart Solman on October 17, 2016, 12:43:53 pm
This is very good news for McMullin. Right now, he seems to be gaining support from his rallies and the earlier polls. If the endorsements start flowing in, I'd put Utah down as lean McMullin.

Could Johnson + McMullin give Idaho to Clinton?

Mormons are (at best) a quarter of the electorate in Idaho, as opposed to three-quarters in Utah.  Trump could lose a majority in Utah, but he'd still win the plurality.

That's my thought as well. McMullin will definitely wins some counties in Southeastern Idaho.

This goes along with other polls, isn't the CBS poll kind of screwy with 3rd party candidates?

Yeah. To vote McMullin, Johnson, or Stein, you had to choose other and then those options would be given.


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: Zioneer on October 17, 2016, 01:11:02 pm
Madison County Idaho, which houses BYU Idaho (BYU-I), will probably vote for McMullin. Several of the southwestern Idaho counties are heavily Mormon (in fact, a couple of our prophets have come from that area), so I imagine McMullin will win those counties as well.


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: ‼realJohnEwards‼ on October 17, 2016, 01:14:22 pm
What positive message could Donald Trump have for Utah?

Grabbing women's crotches isn't a Mormon value. Walking into female changing rooms if one is a man isn't a Mormon value. Involvement with gambling or pornography offends Mormon values.  There could be some very late voting in Utah, and it might not go well for Trump.

First presidential election since 1924  in which some independent or Third Party nominee who is not a racist secession from one of the two main parties wins the electoral votes of a state? That would be rich.

Mormons have a right to their sexual values, and the message might as well be clear: do not expect Mormon votes as a Presidential nominee if you violate those values. In an election that they know will be a Trump loss, they might want to teach us all a valid lesson.   
Agree completely. Even if they're more conservative, I still respect Mormons much more than (political) Evangelicals, because they actually try to live up to, and vote according to, their morals and values.


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 17, 2016, 01:23:05 pm
A side number that should be heartening for McMullin: Utahns seem to like the intrigue and attention. 65% now think Utah will be more important electorally than usual this year.


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: Pandaguineapig on October 17, 2016, 01:26:12 pm
I think this state is now Mcmullin's to lose, with greater local and national coverage from results like this he can parlay being the only pro-life candidate in a conservative Mormon state to a solid plurality


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on October 17, 2016, 01:28:40 pm
A side number that should be heartening for McMullin: Utahns seem to like the intrigue and attention. 65% now think Utah will be more important electorally than usual this year.

Considering that any positive fraction is larger than zero, they're right. ;)


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 17, 2016, 01:32:13 pm
A side number that should be heartening for McMullin: Utahns seem to like the intrigue and attention. 65% now think Utah will be more important electorally than usual this year.

Considering that any positive fraction is larger than zero, they're right. ;)

Not fighting the silliness of the question :) But it doesn't hurt for them to be self-aware of the new attention their getting and its implications.


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen: McMullin down one
Post by: Nyvin on October 17, 2016, 01:48:57 pm
So should Trump run negative ads against McMullin?  Or is that stupid because it just raises his profile even more?


I doubt it,  probably best to try to ignore him as much as possible.


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: Secret Cavern Survivor on October 17, 2016, 05:07:50 pm
O

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It's actually happening.


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: Eraserhead on October 17, 2016, 06:10:22 pm
How great would it be if Trump actually came in third place?


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: iBizzBee on October 17, 2016, 06:14:44 pm
In the words of Donald J. Trump; to the people of Utah,

What the hell have you got to lose?


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: #TheShadowyAbyss on October 17, 2016, 06:31:50 pm
If McMullin wins Utah, what color will the news orgs use for a McMullin state?


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen: McMullin down one
Post by: ExtremeConservative on October 17, 2016, 06:38:47 pm
I'd probably vote for him in Utah
I would vote for McMullin if I lived in Utah

A third hypothetical McMullin vote if I lived in Utah


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 17, 2016, 07:58:14 pm
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Unweighted Google Consumer Survey has it fairly close as well.

It's probably too late for McMullin. He needs way more endorsements and exposure in order to chip away Trump voters.


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: Let Dogs Survive on October 17, 2016, 08:06:41 pm
I'm hoping this ends up just creating a right-wing schism to ironically propel Clinton over the top.


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen: McMullin down one
Post by: Fubart Solman on October 17, 2016, 08:21:53 pm
I'd probably vote for him in Utah
I would vote for McMullin if I lived in Utah

A third hypothetical McMullin vote if I lived in Utah

Hell, I would consider voting McMullin if I lived in Utah just so that the map might have a third color.


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: Zioneer on October 17, 2016, 08:25:34 pm
I'm hoping this ends up just creating a right-wing schism to ironically propel Clinton over the top.
That's basically the plan for Utah Democrats.


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: Eraserhead on October 18, 2016, 01:24:52 am
If McMullin wins Utah, what color will the news orgs use for a McMullin state?

Hopefully green.  Anything to help further de-legitimize the party of Jill Stein.

Nah, they won't want to confuse people by using yellow or green. Maybe they'll use orange.


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: rafta_rafta on October 18, 2016, 04:35:54 am
Evan McMullin is on Tom Ashbrook podcast mentions that there is a UT poll due today.

He makes far more sense than kooky Johnson and Stein


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: Kalimantan on October 18, 2016, 05:29:14 am
Question. If McMullin wins Utah, and the rest of the college is something like 268-264 Clinton, do the Utah electors stay faithful to McMullin therefore giving the election to Clinton, or is there an elimination system to get someone to 270?


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: Castro on October 18, 2016, 05:39:32 am
Question. If McMullin wins Utah, and the rest of the college is something like 268-264 Clinton, do the Utah electors stay faithful to McMullin therefore giving the election to Clinton, or is there an elimination system to get someone to 270?

Each state's congressional delegation (minus Senators) would keep voting among the three until someone wins a majority of delegations in a majority of the states. Assuming Republicans maintain control in the majority of states, the most likely options are Republicans would vote in Trump, or would cut a deal with some Democrats to vote in McMullin. If they failed to decide on someone in time, the person the Senate picked for VP (among Pence and Kaine) would become Acting President until the House picked someone.


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: kyc0705 on October 18, 2016, 06:23:43 am
If McMullin wins Utah, what color will the news orgs use for a McMullin state?

Hopefully green.  Anything to help further de-legitimize the party of Jill Stein.

Nah, they won't want to confuse people by using yellow or green. Maybe they'll use orange.

Won't they use orange for Trump? ;)


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: Simfan34 on October 18, 2016, 07:18:12 am
If McMullin wins Utah, what color will the news orgs use for a McMullin state?

Hopefully green.  Anything to help further de-legitimize the party of Jill Stein.

Amen!


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: Castro on October 18, 2016, 08:27:44 am
538 uses purple for him, which makes for a good Independent Conservative colour I think.


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: President Johnson on October 18, 2016, 01:33:36 pm
Honestly, Hillary should pull out of Utah and urge Democrats to vote for McMuffin. She doesn't need the state and such a move would definitely block Trump from winning it. That would be glorious. Even more spectacular would be Trump coming in third.


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: Chief Justice Keef on October 18, 2016, 01:34:52 pm
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Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: Sprouts Farmers Market ✘ on October 18, 2016, 01:45:23 pm
If McMullin wins Utah, what color will the news orgs use for a McMullin state?

Hopefully green.  Anything to help further de-legitimize the party of Jill Stein.

Give me a break, if this were a real country, the Green Party would be on of the two major parties.


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: Kalimantan on October 18, 2016, 04:13:32 pm
Question. If McMullin wins Utah, and the rest of the college is something like 268-264 Clinton, do the Utah electors stay faithful to McMullin therefore giving the election to Clinton, or is there an elimination system to get someone to 270?

Each state's congressional delegation (minus Senators) would keep voting among the three until someone wins a majority of delegations in a majority of the states. Assuming Republicans maintain control in the majority of states, the most likely options are Republicans would vote in Trump, or would cut a deal with some Democrats to vote in McMullin. If they failed to decide on someone in time, the person the Senate picked for VP (among Pence and Kaine) would become Acting President until the House picked someone.

Thanks. So there is no real benefit to Clinton in pulling out and letting McMullin win the state, she might as well fight for the 6 electoral votes herself?


Title: Re: UT: Rasmussen:Trump +1 over McMullin
Post by: ❤️❤️❤️ on October 18, 2016, 08:22:42 pm
If McMullin wins Utah, what color will the news orgs use for a McMullin state?

Hopefully green.  Anything to help further de-legitimize the party of Jill Stein.

Give me a break, if this were a real country, the Green Party would be on of the two major parties.

And what will their opposition be? The Kanye West caucus?