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Title: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: heatcharger on October 18, 2016, 12:30:33 PM
http://www.chron.com/news/politics/texas/article/New-poll-shows-Trump-beating-Clinton-by-3-percent-9980688.php

Trump - 41%
Clinton - 38%
Johnson - 4%
Stein - 1%


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: Terry the Fat Shark on October 18, 2016, 12:32:30 PM
lol, like I said @ Surveymonkey, TX didn't flip in 1996, it won't flip now. #RedFreiwall!


Title: TX-University of Houston Trump +3
Post by: SunSt0rm on October 18, 2016, 12:32:30 PM
Trump 41%
Clinton 38%
Johnson 4%
Stein 1%

https://ssl.uh.edu/class/hobby/texas2016/


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: rafta_rafta on October 18, 2016, 12:33:17 PM
Even if it doesn't flip. It's astounding that Trump is barely scraping by in such a deep red state which Romney won by 16 points


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: Gass3268 on October 18, 2016, 12:33:38 PM
At this same point in time in 2012, Romney was up 17 points here. Just let that sink in.


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: Terry the Fat Shark on October 18, 2016, 12:34:38 PM
I also think they are somewhat underestimating Johnson support here FWIW


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: Speed of Sound on October 18, 2016, 12:34:49 PM
It'll take unheard of Latino and white college turnout to even have a shot at this.

That said, Travis County broke 90% voter registration this year...


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: Devils30 on October 18, 2016, 12:35:11 PM
This should not flip or come close but surprising how close it is. Bad omen for states like GA and maybe SC for Trump.


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: Xing on October 18, 2016, 12:35:21 PM
I highly doubt Texas will flip, but as I've said, if it does end up this close, Arizona probably does flip.


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 18, 2016, 12:35:45 PM
This should not flip or come close but surprising how close it is. Bad omen for states like GA and maybe SC for Trump.

Yep, more than Texas, this indicates that GA and AZ are heading to HRC this year.


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: Ebsy on October 18, 2016, 12:35:57 PM
These polls are going to drag Texas into Lean R/Toss up territory.


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: rafta_rafta on October 18, 2016, 12:39:51 PM
Never thought I'd see Ohio vote to the right of Texas.


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: Ebsy on October 18, 2016, 12:40:43 PM
Never thought I'd see Ohio vote to the right of Texas.
I don't think you are going to.


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 18, 2016, 12:50:47 PM
TX always had potential to be within +5. They have many Hispanics registered as Democrats but don't vote. What this tells me is that Hispanics in TX are more motivated to vote this year.


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist on October 18, 2016, 12:51:03 PM
That's a lot of undecideds for mid-October.


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: Yank2133 on October 18, 2016, 12:51:55 PM
Lmao, Texas is really going to be in single digits this year.


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on October 18, 2016, 12:57:33 PM
Too many undecideds for this late and I think everybody knows how they will break.


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: riceowl on October 18, 2016, 12:59:58 PM
I also think they are somewhat underestimating Johnson support here FWIW

TWSS?


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 18, 2016, 01:06:54 PM
just dropping this here...from known kitten-strangler, fraud and JFK-killing-conspirator Nate Silver:

Clinton chances in Texas: 17%
Trump chances in Pennsylvania: 10%
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/788438311908016129


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: riceowl on October 18, 2016, 01:07:55 PM
Yeah, I was just noticing that. She seems far more likely at this point than in early August to carry Texas. Why are her odds worse? Lack of time left in the model?


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: user12345 on October 18, 2016, 01:36:36 PM
Hillary won't crack 45%. Fools gold.


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: President Johnson on October 18, 2016, 01:38:47 PM
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Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: Maxwell on October 18, 2016, 01:40:51 PM
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the state of the trump campaign


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: Sprouts Farmers Market ✘ on October 18, 2016, 01:44:19 PM
lol, like I said @ Surveymonkey, TX didn't flip in 1996, it won't flip now. #RedFreiwall!

Did you miss 20 years of immigration and demographic change?


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: SPQR on October 18, 2016, 02:07:23 PM
I think that it has the potential of being more than just close-ish for Clinton.


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: swf541 on October 18, 2016, 03:19:19 PM
I think that it has the potential of being more than just close-ish for Clinton.

It really does.  This should be fascinating on election night if this holds up


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: rafta_rafta on October 18, 2016, 03:24:46 PM
Never thought I'd see Ohio vote to the right of Texas.
I don't think you are going to.

Yeah probably not. but it would be shocking to see Texas decided by 2 percentage points and Ohio going to Trump by three.


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: EliteLX on October 18, 2016, 03:39:43 PM
I wish I could go back a year on this board and make a claim that three weeks before the elections we were getting numbers that Ohio could vote even or the right of Texas.. I would of been burned by the stake.

Not that I think this will be remotely close to what happens, but..


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: PresidentSamTilden on October 18, 2016, 06:09:54 PM
3 polls in the last week showing Texas as a single digit race. This is real life, lol. Until there's polls showing Clinton ahead, it's not a swinger, but wow.

What's interesting is that this isn't really reflective of the national race. Texas was, what, R+20 last time? Hillary is up, but she isn't up that much. Something else is going on here.


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: ProudModerate2 on October 18, 2016, 07:02:01 PM
Lmao, Texas is really going to be in single digits this year.


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: NOVA Green on October 18, 2016, 07:06:58 PM
3 polls in the last week showing Texas as a single digit race. This is real life, lol. Until there's polls showing Clinton ahead, it's not a swinger, but wow.

What's interesting is that this isn't really reflective of the national race. Texas was, what, R+20 last time? Hillary is up, but she isn't up that much. Something else is going on here.

Texas Latino Republican voters are abandoning the top of the ticket in droves this year, educated professionals in the cities and suburbs of DFW, Houston, SA, and Austin are swinging hard towards Clinton, and evangelical types have little stomach or enthusiasm for Trump and aren't crazy about voting in November. :)


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: PresidentSamTilden on October 18, 2016, 07:19:08 PM
3 polls in the last week showing Texas as a single digit race. This is real life, lol. Until there's polls showing Clinton ahead, it's not a swinger, but wow.

What's interesting is that this isn't really reflective of the national race. Texas was, what, R+20 last time? Hillary is up, but she isn't up that much. Something else is going on here.

Texas Latino Republican voters are abandoning the top of the ticket in droves this year, educated professionals in the cities and suburbs of DFW, Houston, SA, and Austin are swinging hard towards Clinton, and evangelical types have little stomach or enthusiasm for Trump and aren't crazy about voting in November. :)

Yep, that sounds like the recipe, lol. 538 just put an article up discussing Texas. Basically, they were saying what is happening in Texas is actually a regional phenomenon - Trump is doing about 10 points worse in the whole south compared to Romney, plus a larger Clinton lead than Obama had. Trump has traded this for some gains in the Northeast and Midwest though. Might not pay off electorally, but it is interesting.


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: NOVA Green on October 18, 2016, 07:38:26 PM
3 polls in the last week showing Texas as a single digit race. This is real life, lol. Until there's polls showing Clinton ahead, it's not a swinger, but wow.

What's interesting is that this isn't really reflective of the national race. Texas was, what, R+20 last time? Hillary is up, but she isn't up that much. Something else is going on here.

Texas Latino Republican voters are abandoning the top of the ticket in droves this year, educated professionals in the cities and suburbs of DFW, Houston, SA, and Austin are swinging hard towards Clinton, and evangelical types have little stomach or enthusiasm for Trump and aren't crazy about voting in November. :)

Yep, that sounds like the recipe, lol. 538 just put an article up discussing Texas. Basically, they were saying what is happening in Texas is actually a regional phenomenon - Trump is doing about 10 points worse in the whole south compared to Romney, plus a larger Clinton lead than Obama had. Trump has traded this for some gains in the Northeast and Midwest though. Might not pay off electorally, but it is interesting.

I'm actually starting to think that Denton County is going to look more like Tarrant County does now (55-45 Republican) with Collins County not far behind.

We could actually see some extremely weird results from Montgomery County outside of Houston that went 80% Republican in '08 and '12 looking more like a 58-62% Republican County.


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: dspNY on October 18, 2016, 08:58:46 PM
There are actually more undecided Dems and indies (11% and 29% respectively) than Republicans (8%) in this poll


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: NOVA Green on October 18, 2016, 11:14:49 PM
There are actually more undecided Dems and indies (11% and 29% respectively) than Republicans (8%) in this poll

Latino Millennials as I have posted elsewhere are the biggest Bernie supporters still holding out.

Regardless of how much many of them hate and despise Trump, Obama still has a rep as the "deporter in Chief" and Clinton is now running for the 3rd term of Obama.... right or wrong it is a fact.

I'll probably get placed on ignore from many people on the forum, but I have been saying this consistently since the Democratic Primaries.


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: Virginiá on October 18, 2016, 11:30:37 PM
Regardless of how much many of them hate and despise Trump, Obama still has a rep as the "deporter in Chief" and Clinton is now running for the 3rd term of Obama.... right or wrong it is a fact.

And ironically Clinton is their best hope of getting favorable immigration reform, which would significantly help the deportation issue.

Seriously, people need to grow up and think about things a little more pragmatically instead of constantly pouting. Part of me wishes I could go back to 2015 and just decide to ignore this election, because seeing the justifications people come up with for why it's a better idea to not vote or cast a protest vote is really unbelievable. At least before this election I had a sort of naive faith in young people. Now all I see is whining.

(ok sorry I'm done lol)


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: OneJ on October 19, 2016, 12:29:14 AM
Regardless of how much many of them hate and despise Trump, Obama still has a rep as the "deporter in Chief" and Clinton is now running for the 3rd term of Obama.... right or wrong it is a fact.

And ironically Clinton is their best hope of getting favorable immigration reform, which would significantly help the deportation issue.

Seriously, people need to grow up and think about things a little more pragmatically instead of constantly pouting. Part of me wishes I could go back to 2015 and just decide to ignore this election, because seeing the justifications people come up with for why it's a better idea to not vote or cast a protest vote is really unbelievable. At least before this election I had a sort of naive faith in young people. Now all I see is whining.

(ok sorry I'm done lol)

I agree. I'm tired of this election not only because of Donald Trump and his corrupt party, but all of the whiners who don't see what's in front of them (holdouts). Not just Latino Millennials, but those of other races just don't like Hillary for whatever reason among the age group.

It makes me frustrated already that I can't vote (15) and see all these other people who can complain about their choices. Trump is a demagogue, Johnson doesn't know what Aleppo is and is not in favor of the minimum wage, and Stein is an attention seeker looking to be relevant and is just the white female version of Ben Carson.

Hillary, however, fought for children's rights, pushed for every school to have special education, and is a strong advocate of health care. She's the only choice and it's just that simple. But it doesn't matter if they are enthusiastic about Hillary. What does matter is that they turn out to vote in record numbers and vote for no one, but Hillary (under the presidential section of course). They'll like Hillary way more when she takes office anyway and I'm very sure of that.


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: Lolasknives on October 19, 2016, 02:05:25 AM
Every millennial who isn't a racist shut-in needs to have Ralph Nader wheeled out of his nursing home so he can drool all over them. Only way they'll get what happens when they put idealist BS over working people.

It's really, really easy not to elect a regressive piece of dog crap if they do their damn job and vote for her. Everyone is losing their patience with these kids. Bernie should be hung out to dry after this election for leading them on. No, I don't care that he's done half a dozen rallies for her. He did a lot of damage and may well have prevented a 400+ electoral vote blowout, plus a Dem House. Pathetic.


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: Terry the Fat Shark on October 19, 2016, 02:15:55 AM
Texan hispanics are more moderate than hispanics in other states. Hispanic Men voted for Abbott over Davis according to CNN 2014 exit polls. That being said, Abbott hasn't ever accused them of being rapists so....


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: pbrower2a on October 19, 2016, 04:21:26 AM
lol, like I said @ Surveymonkey, TX didn't flip in 1996, it won't flip now. #RedFreiwall!

For someone not from Texas, Bob Dole was a good cultural match for Texas. Bill Clinton  was as good as any Democrat since Carter for Texas and still did not win.

Donald Trump is simply an execrable candidate for President. Trump wil win states largely because the states are firmly Republican. That is not enough. 


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: Terry the Fat Shark on October 19, 2016, 05:28:48 AM
I agree which is why I made the Red Friewall comment ;) As per me I've kind of stopped caring about the Presidential race, peeking at Congress to see how things go there...


Title: Re: TX-University of Houston: Trump +3
Post by: BaldEagle1991 on October 20, 2016, 07:54:51 PM
Texan hispanics are more moderate than hispanics in other states. Hispanic Men voted for Abbott over Davis according to CNN 2014 exit polls. That being said, Abbott hasn't ever accused them of being rapists so....

He also has an Hispanic wife and speaks Spanish fluently.