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Election Archive => 2016 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls => Topic started by: The Other Castro on October 21, 2016, 06:17:03 AM



Title: GA-Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Trump +2
Post by: The Other Castro on October 21, 2016, 06:17:03 AM
Trump - 44%
Clinton - 42%
Johnson - 9%

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The AJC poll was conducted by ABT SRBI between Oct. 17-20 and included 1,003 registered voters, including 839 likely voters. The margin of error for the registered voter sample is 3.9 percentage points. For the likely voter sample, it is 4.26 percentage points.

-The vast majority of Republicans – 85 percent  – say they will back their party’s nominee. But only 4 in 10 independents, a traditionally conservative voting bloc in Georgia, say they are behind Trump.

-Trump has built a solid lead among men, with a 50-35 margin, while women favor Clinton by a 48-37 vote. Some 64 percent of women have an unfavorable view of Trump, while 66 percent of men have a negative perception of Clinton.

-Almost one in five voters under 39 are backing Johnson’s third-party candidacy, while a majority of voters older than 65 support Trump.

-Only 3 percent of black voters are backing Trump. Nearly 90 percent are behind Clinton’s campaign.

-Fifty percent of Georgia voters give President Barack Obama a favorable approval rating in his final days in office. House Speaker Paul Ryan has more mixed returns: About one-third of voters give him positive reviews, and another 41 percent give him an unfavorable rating.

-A majority of Georgia voters – 56 percent – believe Clinton is qualified to serve as president. But almost two-thirds of voters don’t see her as “honest and trustworthy” – including nearly all Republicans and one-quarter of Democrats.

-More than half of Georgia voters say Trump is not qualified to lead the country, and 62 percent told pollsters he doesn’t have the temperament or personality to serve effectively in the White House.

-Two-thirds of Georgia’s voters say the country is on the wrong track, including 90 percent of Republicans.

http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2016/10/21/ajc-poll-trump-and-clinton-deadlocked-georgia/


Title: Re: GA-Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Trump +2
Post by: Adam Griffin on October 21, 2016, 06:30:58 AM
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Title: GA: Atlanta Journal Constitution: Presidential Race Close in Georiga
Post by: ElectionAtlas on October 21, 2016, 06:32:13 AM
New Poll: Georgia President by Atlanta Journal Constitution on 2016-10-20 (https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2016/polls.php?action=indpoll&id=1320161020210)

Summary: D: 42%, R: 44%, U: 4%

Poll Source URL: Full Poll Details (http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2016/10/21/ajc-poll-trump-and-clinton-deadlocked-georgia/)


Title: Re: GA-Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Trump +2
Post by: Lachi on October 21, 2016, 06:35:24 AM
Crosstabs?


Title: Re: GA-Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Trump +2
Post by: Adam Griffin on October 21, 2016, 07:36:32 AM

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Title: Re: GA-Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Trump +2
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on October 21, 2016, 07:47:34 AM
DELICIOUS AND SEXY POLL! 

If Georgia is a Tossup then NC must be...

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Title: Re: GA-Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Trump +2
Post by: BoAtlantis on October 21, 2016, 07:51:38 AM
Just read that Georgia early voting is significantly up compared to a similar point of time in 2012. Seems like the poll corroborates it.


Title: Re: GA-Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Trump +2
Post by: HillOfANight on October 21, 2016, 07:57:42 AM

http://www.ajc.com/news/national/georgia-statewide-poll/
Compared to their October 2012, which nailed the 8 point race, he's underperforming the ATL exurbs and Metro ATL by ~10.


Title: Re: GA-Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Trump +2
Post by: Adam Griffin on October 21, 2016, 07:58:20 AM
One problem I noticed here: their racial crosstabs are simply "black" (32%) and "white" (68%).  Whites were 61% in 2012 as defined by SoS and while I'm sure some of those people who were only categorized as "other" or "unknown" by SoS are in fact white, they're basically ignoring all of the non-black, non-white vote here. It's not huge by itself in sheer vote totals but when you're talking about even a small group (say, 5%) swinging from 80% R to 70% D, it matters. It's enough to take the race from Trump +2 to Clinton +3.

The black share is about one point too high in my opinion, but the fact that the other 5% or so of the electorate (that's not white neither in reality nor by SoS categorization) is missing more than cancels it out. Would still be Clinton +1.


Title: Re: GA-Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Trump +2
Post by: HillOfANight on October 21, 2016, 08:41:03 AM
Maybe they don't believe their own results and want to reserve the option of claiming last minute Clinton surge in GA :)


Title: Re: GA-Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Trump +2
Post by: HillOfANight on October 21, 2016, 09:41:05 AM
Whites were 61% in 2012 as defined by SoS and while I'm sure some of those people who were only categorized as "other" or "unknown" by SoS are in fact white, they're basically ignoring all of the non-black, non-white vote here.

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The share of Georgia voters who are white fell..to 56.9 percent this week.

Bullock said the share of white voters has fallen even further since the last presidential election four years ago, when it was 59.2 percent.
http://www.myajc.com/news/news/local-govt-politics/minority-voter-registration-surges/nsszT/
Since 2015

Black voter registration +21%
Asian registration +41%
Hispanic registration +46%
White registration +15%


Title: Re: GA-Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Trump +2
Post by: OneJ on October 21, 2016, 09:57:33 AM
Whites were 61% in 2012 as defined by SoS and while I'm sure some of those people who were only categorized as "other" or "unknown" by SoS are in fact white, they're basically ignoring all of the non-black, non-white vote here.

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The share of Georgia voters who are white fell..to 56.9 percent this week.

Bullock said the share of white voters has fallen even further since the last presidential election four years ago, when it was 59.2 percent.

Since 2015

Black voter registration +21%
Asian registration +41%
Hispanic registration +46%
White registration +15%


Oh boy! What a realignment this election will be.


Title: Re: GA-Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Trump +2
Post by: mark_twain on October 21, 2016, 10:02:09 AM

Really pulling for Clinton to win GA.

I'll look at the early voting locations on 10/29, to see whether the lines are too long. If so, then I'll just vote on 11/8.





Title: Re: GA-Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Trump +2
Post by: HillOfANight on October 21, 2016, 10:07:08 AM
Go now, we need your vote in case you get sick ;P


Title: Re: GA-Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Trump +2
Post by: Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon on October 21, 2016, 10:17:04 AM
That 5% undecided will go at least 4-1 Trump. As long as Trump has a nominal lead in the GA polls, it's very hard to see him losing the state.


Title: Re: GA-Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Trump +2
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 21, 2016, 10:25:07 AM
i also figure that trump is unlikely to lose GA.

but if he must use his dry coffins to save the state, he may lose NC, UT and AZ.

too many bases to defend and OH/IA seem more like toss-ups each day.


Title: Re: GA-Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Trump +2
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on October 21, 2016, 10:25:31 AM
That 5% undecided will go at least 4-1 Trump. As long as Trump has a nominal lead in the GA polls, it's very hard to see him losing the state.

This isn't the first time you've asserted this, but trust me as someone who lives here that it's a very shaky assumption.  In any other year you'd likely be correct; but Trump is not a normal Republican candidate, and he turns off many of the automatic Republican voters in the Atlanta suburbs.  The level of enthusiasm for him in those areas is dramatically lower than that for Romney, McCain, etc.


Title: Re: GA-Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Trump +2
Post by: Gass3268 on October 21, 2016, 10:26:08 AM
That 5% undecided will go at least 4-1 Trump. As long as Trump has a nominal lead in the GA polls, it's very hard to see him losing the state.

I wouldn't assume that based on the polling. Blacks are more undecided than whites, women are more undecided than men, and Democrats/Republicans/Independents are equally undecided. That seems to be a good recipe for Clinton.


Title: Re: GA-Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Trump +2
Post by: ApatheticAustrian on October 21, 2016, 10:31:18 AM
i can relate why women would be undecided (lot of cross-over potential) but blacks? don't think republicans usually get a lot of black votes in GA.


Title: Re: GA-Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Trump +2
Post by: Roronoa D. Law on October 21, 2016, 10:42:31 AM
Easiest scenario in which Hillary wins GA is
                              Share   D     R     3rd
Non Hispanic Whites (59%) 27% 70% 3%
African Americas      (30%) 92% 7%   1%
Other Minorities       (11%) 54% 46%  0%

This gives Clinton a 1 point victory.


Title: Re: GA-Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Trump +2
Post by: HillOfANight on October 21, 2016, 10:44:30 AM
Haven't seen her close to 27% with whites in any poll though...


Title: Re: GA-Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Trump +2
Post by: ProudModerate2 on October 21, 2016, 11:49:32 AM
Come-on Georgia !
You can do it for Hillary !


Title: Re: GA-Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Trump +2
Post by: HillOfANight on October 21, 2016, 12:51:11 PM
http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2016/10/21/30594_GA_Poll_FINAL_Banners_Likely_Voters.pdf

Crosstabs posted. Fun county breakdowns (super small subsamples though). Generally horrific for Trump.

Cobb is 50%C-50%T (Obama 43 Romney 56)
Dekalb is 92%C-8%T (Obama 82% Romney 21%)
Fulton 77%C-23%T (Obama 64% Romney 35%)


Title: Re: GA-Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Trump +2
Post by: Adam Griffin on October 21, 2016, 05:17:06 PM
That 5% undecided will go at least 4-1 Trump. As long as Trump has a nominal lead in the GA polls, it's very hard to see him losing the state.

If you look at when undecideds have broke toward the GOP in the past (how many days before the election), then we're entering that period right now. If it happens, we're mere days away from seeing polls that would suggest Trump will win Georgia by as much (or more) as Romney won by in 2012.


Title: Re: GA-Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Trump +2
Post by: dspNY on October 21, 2016, 08:07:26 PM
Georgia is Lean R, according to the evidence. We got three polls and the margins are -2, -4, -4


Title: Re: GA-Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Trump +2
Post by: henster on October 21, 2016, 10:25:05 PM
Obama JA at 50% if Hillary matched that she'd be ahead comfortably.


Title: Re: GA-Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Trump +2
Post by: Badger on October 22, 2016, 02:02:02 AM
Haven't seen her close to 27% with whites in any poll though...

Though i have a hard time seeing Trump get 44%--or even half that--among non-black ethnics.


Title: Re: GA-Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Trump +2
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 22, 2016, 02:14:58 AM
Haven't seen her close to 27% with whites in any poll though...

Though i have a hard time seeing Trump get 44%--or even half that--among non-black ethnics.

That's what I was thinking


Title: Re: GA-Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Trump +2
Post by: Adam Griffin on October 22, 2016, 02:25:47 AM
She doesn't necessarily need 27%. She can get by with as little as 23% potentially; even less if Johnson actually does well. As I always say:

So if we assume that Clinton's white share of the vote (23%) remains identical/none of the "other partiers" break for her, females reinforce the black vote at Obama 2012 levels of support and the "other" racial groups go for Clinton by the same margin as in the poll (Clinton +22)...

Group% of VotersDem Support% of Vote
White590.2313.57
Black310.9529.45
Other100.616.1
Total10049.12

That's victory if Johnson takes 1.9 percent of the vote or more.

Idealistically, I know that if Clinton carried the same percentage of the vote across each race that the President did in 2008 in Georgia, then she'd win 50-51% of the vote from the likely 2016 electorate.


Title: Re: GA-Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Trump +2
Post by: HillOfANight on October 22, 2016, 07:31:40 AM
http://www.cnn.com/election/2014/results/state/GA/senate/
Nunn got 92%, not 95%. Just thinking of the worst case scenarios... Same % of voters, but 92% gets her to 48.1%.

She can still win in that scenario though if Trump only gets 70% of the white vote (47.5%). That's a tough hurdle though, since McCain got 76% and Perdue got 74%, but maybe she can do it if enough GOP don't vote for him or vote Johnson/writein.


Title: Re: GA-Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Trump +2
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on October 22, 2016, 01:52:15 PM
A followup story in today's AJC (http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2016/10/22/ajc-poll-why-georgia-republican-politicians-are-sticking-with-trump/) has some insight into why most Georgia GOP officials are sticking with Trump.

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Nearly half of Georgia Republicans say they’re more likely to vote for an elected official who supports Trump, and another 38 percent said it wouldn’t make any difference. Only a small fraction of Georgia GOP voters – 6 percent – say backing Trump makes them less likely to support that politician.

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While standing by Trump helps them with the GOP base, it has a more muted effect on the influential independent bloc of voters who usually break toward Republicans in Georgia. Only 16 percent said loyalty to Trump would make them more likely to support a candidate – and a third said it could turn them away.