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Title: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: The Other Castro on November 04, 2016, 10:26:41 AM
Missouri: Trump +11
Trump - 52%
Clinton - 41%

Nevada: Clinton +3
Clinton - 48%
Trump - 45%

New Hampshire: Clinton +5
Clinton - 48%
Trump - 43%

North Carolina: Clinton +2
Clinton - 49%
Trump - 47%

Pennsylvania Clinton +4
Clinton - 48%
Trump - 44%

Wisconsin: Clinton +7
Clinton - 48%
Trump - 41%

Polls conducted for Center for American Progress, a progressive public policy research and advocacy organization.

https://cdn.americanprogress.org/content/uploads/sites/2/2016/11/03143903/NationalMemo112-Final.pdf

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On October 31st and November 1st Public Policy Polling surveyed 1,083 likely voters in Missouri, 1,169 in North Carolina, 781 in New Hampshire, 688 in Nevada, 1,050 in Pennsylvania, and 891 in Wisconsin


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Wiz in Wis on November 04, 2016, 10:28:12 AM
For a Dem group, but solid results for Clinton outside PA/MO.


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Devout Centrist on November 04, 2016, 10:28:35 AM
What did I tell you guys?

I know I went full fatalist last Friday. I apologize for that. But now isn't the time to despair. Dear Donny is getting the belt big league next Tuesday.


Clinton by 7-11 in the popular vote.


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Speed of Sound on November 04, 2016, 10:28:53 AM
What a shock drop by PPP! Really didn't expect anything more out of them this cycle. Considering the dates for these polls, encouraging numbers everywhere.


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Person Man on November 04, 2016, 10:29:05 AM

WRONG!


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Terry the Fat Shark on November 04, 2016, 10:29:58 AM
You know you're desperate when you use a progressive advocate group poll to boast about your so called NH predictions


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Sir Mohamed on November 04, 2016, 10:30:34 AM
That looks about right and confirms, what I’ve been saying for a while: There is no realistic path for the Trumpster to the magic 270. He’s just not going to win. His ceiling his 220 EVs; maybe he even falls below Romney (2012-NC).


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: The Other Castro on November 04, 2016, 10:30:53 AM
You know you're desperate when you use a progressive advocate group poll to boast about your so called NH predictions

How many times do we have to go over the situation regarding PPP's private polling...


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Eraserhead on November 04, 2016, 10:31:05 AM
These are good enough for Hillary.

Wisconsin appears to be safe for sure.


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Devout Centrist on November 04, 2016, 10:31:11 AM
You know you're desperate when you use a progressive advocate group poll to boast about your so called NH predictions
PPP don't lie


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: BoAtlantis on November 04, 2016, 10:32:35 AM
Makes me relieved


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Eraserhead on November 04, 2016, 10:33:03 AM
What did I tell you guys?

I know I went full fatalist last Friday. I apologize for that. But now isn't the time to despair. Dear Donny is getting the belt big league next Tuesday.


Clinton by 7-11 in the popular vote.

7-11? lol, not sure how you're seeing that from these.


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: KingSweden on November 04, 2016, 10:33:17 AM
Missouri aligning with consensus makes me think the rest of these are legit


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Middle-aged Europe on November 04, 2016, 10:33:26 AM
Muhahahaha, goodbye Trump.


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Terry the Fat Shark on November 04, 2016, 10:33:31 AM
You know you're desperate when you use a progressive advocate group poll to boast about your so called NH predictions
PPP don't lie
Mm actually you ought to know that their public polls and their "gun advocacy group" polls are much different.


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Speed of Sound on November 04, 2016, 10:34:01 AM
Missouri aligning with consensus makes me think the rest of these are legit

Indeed.


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Terry the Fat Shark on November 04, 2016, 10:34:24 AM
But I'm glad the dems have something to cling their hopes to, this makes me feel very good about our Senate majority if they can only find the dems up by 2-3 in NV, NH, and PA and find the GOP up in MO and NC :D


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: JerryArkansas on November 04, 2016, 10:34:30 AM
You know you're desperate when you use a progressive advocate group poll to boast about your so called NH predictions
PPP don't lie
Mm actually you ought to know that their public polls and their "gun advocacy group" polls are much different.
It's a poll where they ask the horse race questions, then the others.  Nothing is changed.


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Devout Centrist on November 04, 2016, 10:34:37 AM
You know you're desperate when you use a progressive advocate group poll to boast about your so called NH predictions
PPP don't lie
Mm actually you ought to know that their public polls and their "gun advocacy group" polls are much different.
Ok, what do they do to change the methodology? Add 5000 dead liberals?


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Rand on November 04, 2016, 10:36:49 AM
Great numbers. Pussygroper P. Putin's Puppet is going to be sobbing in Ivanka's bosom Tuesday night.


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Terry the Fat Shark on November 04, 2016, 10:38:42 AM
You know you're desperate when you use a progressive advocate group poll to boast about your so called NH predictions
PPP don't lie
Mm actually you ought to know that their public polls and their "gun advocacy group" polls are much different.
Ok, what do they do to change the methodology? Add 5000 dead liberals?
Hmm, you don't think asking a bunch of gun control questions and then the horse race questions impacts at all?


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Absolution9 on November 04, 2016, 10:40:07 AM
Any Dems concerned about the Philly transit strike shaving some votes off the margin there?


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: PollsDontLie on November 04, 2016, 10:42:00 AM
You know you're desperate when you use a progressive advocate group poll to boast about your so called NH predictions
PPP don't lie
Mm actually you ought to know that their public polls and their "gun advocacy group" polls are much different.
Ok, what do they do to change the methodology? Add 5000 dead liberals?

The problem is not that they do anything different, it's that it's a private poll and an advocacy group is going to release only favorable polls.  For example, this could be the second or third iteration of those polls and these are the most favorable to Hillary.  Also, for example, they may have also polled Michigan and not released it because it was unfavorable to Hillary.  You get the idea.  With that said, these are probably correct except for NC.


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Sprouts Farmers Market ✘ on November 04, 2016, 10:42:29 AM
Any Dems concerned about the Philly transit strike shaving some votes off the margin there?

No. We've been over this.


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Sprouts Farmers Market ✘ on November 04, 2016, 10:44:28 AM
Trump is doing much better in Pennsylvania than I had ever imagined. He should spend every waking moment in PA, FL, and NC this week with and blast a bit in Ohio too. That's the only path. NV is not happening so it makes NH not worth it.


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: BaldEagle1991 on November 04, 2016, 10:44:40 AM
Looks like Trump is going to be toast, if this holds up.

This could also be a sign that some of Dems might be going home after Clinton's FBI fiasco.


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Absolution9 on November 04, 2016, 10:50:06 AM
Any Dems concerned about the Philly transit strike shaving some votes off the margin there?

No. We've been over this.

Must have missed it, why is it not a concern?  If the race turns out to be super close a 10/20K vote reduced margin in Philly could make a difference (however unlikely).  Or is the strike going to definitely be resolved by then?


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Ozymandias on November 04, 2016, 10:50:27 AM
SENATE

WI: Feingold +5
NV: Cortez-Mastro +3
NH: Hassan +3
PA: McGinty +2
NC: Burr +3
MO: Blunt +2


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: mark_twain on November 04, 2016, 10:55:00 AM

Great poll results!

Go Clinton!


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Dr. Arch on November 04, 2016, 11:07:26 AM


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Sir Mohamed on November 04, 2016, 11:09:23 AM
Trump is doing much better in Pennsylvania than I had ever imagined. He should spend every waking moment in PA, FL, and NC this week with and blast a bit in Ohio too. That's the only path. NV is not happening so it makes NH not worth it.

PA is Fool’s Gold for the Republicans. They targeted the state in all previous elections, especially in 2012, but it didn’t work out. You could argue that Mr. Drumpf’s message is different from previous nominees and more appealing to some Rust Belt voters. Nevertheless, with these devastating numbers among college-educated suburban voters, women in particular, he has a only a very tiny chance to take the state. PA flipping Republican this election is just not happening. And quite frankly, I think it won’t be even as close as expected. Hillary is going to win by at least five points, probably as much as seven or eight. Keep also in mind that he did not lead a single poll in PA for a couple of months now. And as you correctly pointed out, another realistic path to 270 EVs is just not there for the Trumpster.


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Ozymandias on November 04, 2016, 11:12:09 AM
Here's a handy summary of results:

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Kander is only Dem running ahead of Clinton.


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: rafta_rafta on November 04, 2016, 11:17:50 AM
If PA and CO holds, then taking Nevada would close most paths for Dumpster Fire


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on November 04, 2016, 11:21:26 AM
Fantastic numbers but I refuse to get my hopes up. Trump being at 45% and below in most swing states is the most encouraging news.


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Maxwell on November 04, 2016, 11:30:02 AM
Solid!


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Sprouts Farmers Market ✘ on November 04, 2016, 11:39:41 AM
Trump is doing much better in Pennsylvania than I had ever imagined. He should spend every waking moment in PA, FL, and NC this week with and blast a bit in Ohio too. That's the only path. NV is not happening so it makes NH not worth it.

PA is Fool’s Gold for the Republicans. They targeted the state in all previous elections, especially in 2012, but it didn’t work out. You could argue that Mr. Drumpf’s message is different from previous nominees and more appealing to some Rust Belt voters. Nevertheless, with these devastating numbers among college-educated suburban voters, women in particular, he has a only a very tiny chance to take the state. PA flipping Republican this election is just not happening. And quite frankly, I think it won’t be even as close as expected. Hillary is going to win by at least five points, probably as much as seven or eight. Keep also in mind that he did not lead a single poll in PA for a couple of months now. And as you correctly pointed out, another realistic path to 270 EVs is just not there for the Trumpster.

Oh, I know, he has no shot here right now, believe me, but do you just expect him to give up? That's idiocy.

Any Dems concerned about the Philly transit strike shaving some votes off the margin there?

No. We've been over this.

Must have missed it, why is it not a concern?  If the race turns out to be super close a 10/20K vote reduced margin in Philly could make a difference (however unlikely).  Or is the strike going to definitely be resolved by then?

Extraordinarily tiny precincts mean that there should be no need to rely on public transportation to get to the polls.


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on November 04, 2016, 11:59:40 AM
SUPER DUPER SOLID!!! 

PA is a little low but Donny's numbers in Philly and SE are fatal. 


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Maxwell on November 04, 2016, 12:13:01 PM
SUPER DUPER SOLID!!! 

PA is a little low but Donny's numbers in Philly and SE are fatal. 

to be fair, PPP always showed lower numbers in PA than just about any other poll.


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Erich Maria Remarque on November 04, 2016, 12:39:50 PM
SUPER DUPER SOLID!!! 

PA is a little low but Donny's numbers in Philly and SE are fatal. 

to be fair, PPP always showed lower numbers in PA than just about any other poll.

No.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/pennsylvania/


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Hammy on November 04, 2016, 12:45:58 PM
If this was done for a progressive group, I'd take a point or two off Clinton's margins, otherwise given that it's PPP it looks about right.


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: swf541 on November 04, 2016, 12:47:13 PM
If this was done for a progressive group, I'd take a point or two off Clinton's margins, otherwise given that it's PPP it looks about right.

PPP normal polling is a bit favorable to republicans if were weighting them i'd say add 2 dem for it being them than +2 r for it being for a specific group.


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on November 04, 2016, 01:19:41 PM
Well, this is more than a bit relieving.

Senate numbers suggest that NC and MO might be slipping away, though...


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Ozymandias on November 04, 2016, 01:53:17 PM
Allen Mears ‏@AllenMears  2m2 minutes ago
.@ppppolls latest: Hillary's real firewall: WOMEN

NH Women 53-39 +14C
NV W 52-40 +12C
WI W 55-34 +21C
PA W 51-41 +10C
NC W 53-41 +12C


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Virginiá on November 04, 2016, 01:58:06 PM
Senate numbers suggest that NC and MO might be slipping away, though...

I'd hardly say that. They are in line with what we've been seeing for some time now:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/senate/nc/north_carolina_senate_burr_vs_d_ross-5693.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/senate/mo/missouri_senate_blunt_vs_kander-5631.html

They are both still essentially tossups. I think NC will be determined by whether Trump or Clinton wins it, and by how much (C+3 or more could bring Ross over I think). Missouri, who knows. But really those numbers shouldn't change your outlook given other recent polls for those races.


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: jamestroll on November 04, 2016, 01:59:49 PM
Senate numbers suggest that NC and MO might be slipping away, though...

I'd hardly say that. They are in line with what we've been seeing for some time now:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/senate/nc/north_carolina_senate_burr_vs_d_ross-5693.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/senate/mo/missouri_senate_blunt_vs_kander-5631.html

They are both still essentially tossups. I think NC will be determined by whether Trump or Clinton wins it, and by how much (C+3 or more could bring Ross over I think). Missouri, who knows. But really those numbers shouldn't change your outlook given other recent polls for those races.

A lot of people have totally gave up on Kander or Koster winning MO SEN or MO GOV. They say its too hard and impossible.


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on November 04, 2016, 02:03:01 PM
Senate numbers suggest that NC and MO might be slipping away, though...

I'd hardly say that. They are in line with what we've been seeing for some time now:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/senate/nc/north_carolina_senate_burr_vs_d_ross-5693.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/senate/mo/missouri_senate_blunt_vs_kander-5631.html

They are both still essentially tossups. I think NC will be determined by whether Trump or Clinton wins it, and by how much (C+3 or more could bring Ross over I think). Missouri, who knows. But really those numbers shouldn't change your outlook given other recent polls for those races.

I certainly hope you're right. Ross winning would be especially heartening, but for that to happen, I think that the AA share of the electorate needs to stay roughly where it was in 2012 - and it's currently far behind...


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Ban my account ffs! on November 04, 2016, 03:52:14 PM
Well, this is more than a bit relieving.

Senate numbers suggest that NC and MO might be slipping away, though...
They need five to take the senate... the three (NH, PA, and WI) plus IL is a gimme plus one of IN, NC, or MO. 


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Fuzzybigfoot on November 04, 2016, 10:45:54 PM
Will we get anymore Ohio numbers?


Title: Re: MO/NV/NH/NC/PA/WI - PPP: Clinton leads in NV, NH, NC, PA, WI; Trump leads in MO
Post by: Hammy on November 04, 2016, 10:51:23 PM

On election night--I don't see anymore polls being taken (though I don't understand while they're still polling Missouri either.)