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Title: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 03, 2017, 10:38:29 AM
Upcoming municipal by-elections:

- Feb. 13: Toronto Ward 42 (to replace Raymond Cho who was elected to Queen's Park)
- Mar. 27: Georgina, Ontario Ward 1

Provincial (no dates set so far):

- Saskatoon Meewasin (SK)
- Sault Ste. Marie (ON)
- Point Douglas (MB)

Federal (no dates):

- Calgary Heritage (AB) - to replace Stephen Harper
- Calgary Midnapore (AB) - to replace Jason Kenney
- Ottawa-Vanier (ON) - to replace Mauril Bélanger  (RIP)




Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: trebor204 on January 03, 2017, 11:59:04 PM


Manitoba NDP, Kevin Chief (Point Douglas) resigned his seat back in December.
I don't think his resignation is official yet.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/kevin-chief-resigns-1.3896978


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 04, 2017, 09:43:56 AM


Manitoba NDP, Kevin Chief (Point Douglas) resigned his seat back in December.
I don't think his resignation is official yet.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/kevin-chief-resigns-1.3896978

Oh yes, I knew I was forgetting something. Thanks!


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 10, 2017, 08:56:04 AM
Markham (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201701/10/01-5058084-chrystia-freeland-remplacera-stephane-dion-aux-affaires-etrangeres.php)-Thornhill and Saint-Laurent: McCallum is leaving politics and headed to the Beijing Embassy, Dion outta Cabinet and to an unspecified embassy.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: lilTommy on January 10, 2017, 10:11:41 AM
Markham (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201701/10/01-5058084-chrystia-freeland-remplacera-stephane-dion-aux-affaires-etrangeres.php)-Unionville and Saint-Laurent-Cartierville: McCallum is leaving politics and headed to the Beijing Embassy, Dion outta Cabinet and to an unspecified embassy.

Both haven't been great performers, Dion has never looked well suited for cabinet, even under Chretien and McCallum has had a number of comments go off the rails.

McCallum's riding is Markham-Thornhill; he used to represent Markham-Unionville up until last election but after redistribution ran here. 2011 was very close between the CPC and LPC; 2015 was not. If the CPC were polling better OR are able to get a very strong well known candidate this would be competitive since there is some person McCallum effect here. Otherwise this will be LPC win.
Dion's riding of Saint Laurent, will probably always go Liberal. The NDP cut the LPC lead to only 13 points in 2011 but in 2015 the lead was 42 points. This is not a Dion riding but rather a LIBERAL one, LPC vote is typically in the 60-70% range.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 10, 2017, 11:01:52 AM
RB must be stuck in 2014. Dion's riding changed names too (just Saint-Laurent now).


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 10, 2017, 11:07:32 AM
Dion will be Ambassador to Germany and the EU. (https://twitter.com/chrishallcbc/status/818848994180952065)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 14, 2017, 09:21:16 PM
Calgary Midnapore: Stephanie Kusik will be the next MP. (http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/stephanie-kusie-voted-pc-candidate-in-calgary-midnapore-byelection)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 18, 2017, 08:09:34 PM
Potential Gouin: Françoise David may be resigning tomorrow, or retiring next year.  (https://twitter.com/M_Biron/status/821883086438854656)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 19, 2017, 11:46:59 AM
She's retiring. Can QS hold it? Maybe a chance for the NDPQ to run (is that still happening)? Gouin is basically La Petite-Patrie, which pretty much the most leftist area in Quebec.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 20, 2017, 07:32:27 AM
Ottawa-Vanier: Mme Bélanger endorses Mona Fortier.  (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/mauril-belangers-widow-shakes-up-liberal-nomination-battle-in-ottawa-vanier/article33681525/?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=Referrer:+Social+Network+/+Media&utm_campaign=Shared+Web+Article+Links)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: MaxQue on January 20, 2017, 04:35:33 PM
She's retiring. Can QS hold it? Maybe a chance for the NDPQ to run (is that still happening)? Gouin is basically La Petite-Patrie, which pretty much the most leftist area in Quebec.

The rumour is than QS is trying to convince Gabriel Nadeau-Dubois (the most hardline student leader during the 2012 student strikes) to run.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 21, 2017, 05:19:31 PM
Calgary Midnapore: Grits have chosen their candidate. (https://twitter.com/liberal_party/status/822930982085033986)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: DC Al Fine on January 21, 2017, 06:05:39 PM
She's retiring. Can QS hold it? Maybe a chance for the NDPQ to run (is that still happening)? Gouin is basically La Petite-Patrie, which pretty much the most leftist area in Quebec.

Should be an interesting test case for QS. I would guess they hold it based off their relatively strong polling and the fact that they make a solid protest vote option, but what do I know, I can't even predict Anglo results :P


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: Poirot on January 21, 2017, 07:15:42 PM
Liberal nomination for Ottawa-Vanier is February 5th.

François Lambert is interested to run for the Liberals. Thinks replacing Stéphane Dion would be an opportunity for him. He is a former dragon on the local Dragon's Den version.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201701/19/01-5061004-lex-dragon-francois-lambert-lorgne-les-liberaux-federaux.php (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201701/19/01-5061004-lex-dragon-francois-lambert-lorgne-les-liberaux-federaux.php)

Talking about it publicly doesn't seem to be the way to be chosen.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 21, 2017, 07:29:10 PM
She's retiring. Can QS hold it? Maybe a chance for the NDPQ to run (is that still happening)? Gouin is basically La Petite-Patrie, which pretty much the most leftist area in Quebec.

Should be an interesting test case for QS. I would guess they hold it based off their relatively strong polling and the fact that they make a solid protest vote option, but what do I know, I can't even predict Anglo results :P

Prediction: QS holds it easily, seat belongs to them now & not just David. I'm old enough to remember when QS had no seats (at the time hoping they'd grab PQ seats). :P


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: lilTommy on January 23, 2017, 04:53:58 PM
With neither the SP or NDP having nominated candidates, the NDP lead the first poll in Saskatoon-Meewasin... barely, within the margin of error

http://saskatoon.ctvnews.ca/ndp-lead-in-latest-poll-on-saskatoon-meewasin-byelection-1.3253076

NDP 37%, SP 35%, Greens and Liberals at 3% a piece

"The poll surveyed 603 people between Jan. 20 and 21, and carries a margin of error of 3.9 per cent, 19 times out of 20."



Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: DL on January 24, 2017, 02:11:39 PM
The same poll indicates that the NDP has a much bigger lead when you test Ryan Meili (who was nominated last night) against either of the people vying for the Sask Party nomination


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: Jeppe on January 25, 2017, 07:05:29 PM
I see the Sask NDP winning by a 50-40 margin in the Saskatoon-Meewasin byelecyion. The Sask Party's candidates are both pretty mediocre, having been recently defeated in various elections in different parts of the city (Friesen lost in a different riding last election, and Kaminski got crushed in a city council election on the other side of town just 3 months ago).

The former mayor of Saskatoon, Don Atchison might've been able to win this race for the Sask Party, but I'm gonna say this race is likely NDP.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 25, 2017, 09:09:17 PM
Atchison is a nut case and very unpopular. Hence why he lost, even against a divided opposition in last year's mayoral election.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: Jeppe on January 25, 2017, 10:17:23 PM
He's still popular in suburban Saskatoon, in which a large part of Saskatoon Meewasin comprises of. Talk of the town is that the by-election is happening in either late February or early March, with Wall calling the election shortly after their nomination meeting on the 30th.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: DL on January 26, 2017, 01:09:25 AM
Looking at a map Meewasin doesn't look all that suburban to me...its close to downtown and mostly right by the river


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: lilTommy on January 26, 2017, 07:09:49 AM
In Ontario, the Sault Ste. Marie by-election is shaping up to be a battle of the City Councillors:

http://www.saultstar.com/2017/01/25/krmpotich-to-carry-ndp-banner

NDP nominated Ward 6 Councillor Joe Krmpotich
PCs nominated Ward 5 Councillor Ross Romano

oh, thats not all, Ward 3 Councillor Matthew Shoemaker is considering a run for the Liberals.

Anyone familiar with The Sault local politics?


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 26, 2017, 07:25:41 AM
Looking at a map Meewasin doesn't look all that suburban to me...its close to downtown and mostly right by the river

Well, the northern half of the riding is suburban.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: LLR on January 26, 2017, 07:30:20 AM
In Ontario, the Sault Ste. Marie by-election is shaping up to be a battle of the City Councillors:

http://www.saultstar.com/2017/01/25/krmpotich-to-carry-ndp-banner

NDP nominated Ward 6 Councillor Joe Krmpotich
PCs nominated Ward 5 Councillor Ross Romano

oh, thats not all, Ward 3 Councillor Matthew Shoemaker is considering a run for the Liberals.

Anyone familiar with The Sault local politics?

As an endorser of the War on Vowels, I support Krmpotich


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: lilTommy on January 26, 2017, 09:48:02 AM
Looking at a map Meewasin doesn't look all that suburban to me...its close to downtown and mostly right by the river

Well, the northern half of the riding is suburban.

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Saskatoon Meewasin includes the neighbourhoods of River Heights, Richmond Heights, City Park, North Park, and Kelsey-Woodlawn.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 26, 2017, 02:21:24 PM
River Heights and Richmond Heights are suburban, and vote SP/Tory
North Park is a swing neighbourhood
City Park and Kelsey-Woodlawn vote NDP


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: DL on January 26, 2017, 02:36:47 PM
Saskatoon is such a small city that literally anything outside the central business district would look like "suburbia" to someone from any other city in Canada.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 27, 2017, 10:30:10 AM
Gouin: PQ still on uncertain on their candidate. (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-quebecoise/201701/27/01-5063670-candidature-pequiste-a-lelection-partielle-le-pq-de-gouin-divise.php)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: Jeppe on February 01, 2017, 11:32:30 AM
I'm sure that Hatman will create a much better map later, but for now, here's my sh**tty Saskatoon Meewasin poll map from the 2016 election.

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Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 01, 2017, 05:08:05 PM
Calgary Heritage: Richardson won't run. (http://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/braid-politics-get-goofy-as-tension-mounts-in-conservative-unity-drive)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 03, 2017, 05:35:13 PM
Saint-Laurent: Yolande James is considering.  (http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1014849/yolande-james-politique-federale-circonscription-saint-laurent?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 05, 2017, 07:31:04 PM
Ottawa-Vanier: Mona Fortier will be the next MP.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: Jeppe on February 06, 2017, 08:36:50 AM
Saskatoon by-election being held on March 2nd.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: Jeppe on February 08, 2017, 08:43:50 AM
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/saskatoon-meewasin-mainstreet-poll-1.3971635

46% NDP
23% Sask Party
4% Liberal
4% Green

Holy smokes, the Sask Party is getting blown out of the water. This is a riding where they won a majority of the vote just 10 months ago, and now they're struggling to retain half of their previous vote share. With this being a by-election, I doubt many of the undecideds will end up voting.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: lilTommy on February 08, 2017, 08:46:55 AM
You beat me to it! here are the Decided as well, even worse for the SP

So not so close in Saskatoon-Meewasin...
All Voters (Decided+Leaning)
NDP - 46% (59%)
SP - 23% (30%)
SL - 4% (7%)
Green - 4% (4%)
undecided - 23%


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: Jeppe on February 08, 2017, 08:58:48 AM
Mainstreet Polling is a regular here in Saskatchewan, and they're usually pretty accurate.. If Saskatoon-Meewasin is actually this lopsided, then I imagine the NDP would wipe out most of the Sask Party's caucus in Regina and Saskatoon.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: lilTommy on February 08, 2017, 09:32:31 AM
Mainstreet Polling is a regular here in Saskatchewan, and they're usually pretty accurate.. If Saskatoon-Meewasin is actually this lopsided, then I imagine the NDP would wipe out most of the Sask Party's caucus in Regina and Saskatoon.

I think its part candidate, Meili is highly regarded as a Doctor, and a former leadership candidate who members have been dying to have run but also a riding the NDP does well in even when they do not win it. Also its been nothing but bad news for the SP since winning the last election... polling has had the NDP on the upswing in both cities since then.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on February 08, 2017, 07:47:52 PM
Grain of salt, etc. But good news nonetheless. And also, happy to see Elections Saskatchewan has finally released the poll by poll results of the last election.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: Krago on February 09, 2017, 03:50:22 PM
Hatman, how would you conduct a public opinion poll for a race where there were 29 candidates on the ballot, like the Ward 42 by-election?


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on February 09, 2017, 04:37:06 PM
Hatman, how would you conduct a public opinion poll for a race where there were 29 candidates on the ballot, like the Ward 42 by-election?

Depends on the mode:
-Phone (interviewers wouldn't read the list, unless asked)
-Online (no problem, just list everyone)

Your big problem is if it's IVR, because you need to read the list (press '1' for X). I would try to identify who the main candidates are and have an 'other' option. :)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: Krago on February 09, 2017, 04:59:11 PM
Hatman, how would you conduct a public opinion poll for a race where there were 29 candidates on the ballot, like the Ward 42 by-election?

Depends on the mode:
-Phone (interviewers wouldn't read the list, unless asked)
-Online (no problem, just list everyone)

Your big problem is if it's IVR, because you need to read the list (press '1' for X). I would try to identify who the main candidates are and have an 'other' option. :)

When I was IVR-polled for the Conservative leadership race a few weeks ago, the message read through all the names (... and press 1-4 for Brad Trost...).  It took such a long time, I couldn't imagine doubling the candidates.

By the way, if you want to remember the names of all 14 CPC leadership candidates, just use the mnemonic:  STOP ROBBOCALLS

(Damn you, Steven Blaney!)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: DL on February 09, 2017, 05:00:57 PM
Needless to say it is virtually impossible to do an online survey in a municipal ward since there is no online sample/panel at that granular a level.

Even doing a phone poll in that ward is very very difficult since that ward is very new and heavily heavily made up of recent immigrants - most of whom only have cell phones and no land line and since it is impossible to get cell sample at the ward level - you can only poll landlines - which may be very unrepresentative of the voters.

FWIW, I expect Neethan Shan to win simply because on a 29 person ballot - he is the one and only candidate who has run in that area several times before and would be a recognizable name


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on February 10, 2017, 09:31:59 AM
Needless to say it is virtually impossible to do an online survey in a municipal ward since there is no online sample/panel at that granular a level.

Even doing a phone poll in that ward is very very difficult since that ward is very new and heavily heavily made up of recent immigrants - most of whom only have cell phones and no land line and since it is impossible to get cell sample at the ward level - you can only poll landlines - which may be very unrepresentative of the voters.

FWIW, I expect Neethan Shan to win simply because on a 29 person ballot - he is the one and only candidate who has run in that area several times before and would be a recognizable name

Yeah, I expect him to win too. And maybe with 10-15% of the vote!


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 10, 2017, 02:55:40 PM
Saint-Laurent: DeSousa is running. (http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/desousa-to-seek-federal-liberal-nomination-in-st-laurent?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter) As is Yolande James. (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2017/02/10/ex-quebec-minister-will-run-to-replace-stephane-dion-in-montreal-riding-source/#.WJ4ayjsrKUl)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: DC Al Fine on February 11, 2017, 07:41:08 AM
Trudeau has been taking his time calling the by-elections, but Ottawa-Vanier is due in about a week, so we should have some federal ones to watch.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 13, 2017, 01:36:02 PM
Gouin: PQ won't field a candidate. (https://twitter.com/M_Biron/status/831210100958298112)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: DC Al Fine on February 13, 2017, 03:35:56 PM
Gouin: PQ won't field a candidate. (https://twitter.com/M_Biron/status/831210100958298112)

Why would they do that?


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 13, 2017, 04:45:38 PM
Gouin: PQ won't field a candidate. (https://twitter.com/M_Biron/status/831210100958298112)

Why would they do that?

PQ's trying to forge a closer relationship and QS would win anyway.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: DL on February 13, 2017, 08:37:31 PM
As I expected, former Ontario NDP President Neethan Shan won the Ward 42 byelection in toronto. The margin is impressive as he got 46% in a 29 person field and the second place guy got 12%. Interestingly the guy who was public endorsed by Doug Ford AND was backed by the Ontario Liberal machine And was backed by outgoing council Cho came in third with less than 10% of the vote


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on February 14, 2017, 12:52:02 AM
I knew Shan would probably win, but that is certainly an impressive victory. I figured voters would've got sick of him running for election every six months. So what, we are now headed for a third school board by-election to fill his seat? :P


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: lilTommy on February 14, 2017, 07:04:41 AM
I knew Shan would probably win, but that is certainly an impressive victory. I figured voters would've got sick of him running for election every six months. So what, we are now headed for a third school board by-election to fill his seat? :P

Perhaps always constantly running for office in basically the same area helped? He had the name most people knew from the million times he ran. 45% is still really impressive. My first fear was, ugh is he going to bold in 2018... but at the news conference he said he's running again for council (was specific) in 2018. I think Councillor of MPP was really where he wanted to be anyway.
It will be nice to have some more suburban progressives on council, there aren't many (Carroll, Perruzza, Augimeri, Colle, now Shan)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: DL on February 14, 2017, 08:10:28 AM
City council lord make about $110,000 per year and as an incumbent Shan probably has a job for life now...look how long a piece of deadwood like Raymond Cho lasted?


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: adma on February 14, 2017, 08:27:02 AM
I knew Shan would probably win, but that is certainly an impressive victory. I figured voters would've got sick of him running for election every six months. So what, we are now headed for a third school board by-election to fill his seat? :P

Perhaps always constantly running for office in basically the same area helped? He had the name most people knew from the million times he ran. 45% is still really impressive. My first fear was, ugh is he going to bold in 2018... but at the news conference he said he's running again for council (was specific) in 2018. I think Councillor of MPP was really where he wanted to be anyway.
It will be nice to have some more suburban progressives on council, there aren't many (Carroll, Perruzza, Augimeri, Colle, now Shan)

There were other cases in 2014 where an impressive previous run/runs made a Council-bidder an open-seat shoe-in (Justin Di Ciano in Etobicoke stands out)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on February 14, 2017, 09:36:38 AM
Results:
Neethan Shan: 4765 (45.7%)
Zuhair Syed: 1452 (13.9%)
Hratch Aynedjian: 1058 (10.2%)
26 others: 3143 (30.2%)

With two candidates using red, no wonder Liberals couldn't get behind a candidate!

This ward covers the Malvern community of the city (would be the likely name of the ward if Toronto had proper ward names). It's only 10% White, and 43% South Asian, many of whom are Tamil like Shan. 17% of the ward has Tamil as its mother tongue.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: DL on February 14, 2017, 10:40:33 AM

There were other cases in 2014 where an impressive previous run/runs made a Council-bidder an open-seat shoe-in (Justin Di Ciano in Etobicoke stands out)

Not to mention Joe Cressy running in the Trinity-Spadina federal byelection in July 2014...losing and then getting elected to city council in October 2014 with a margin very similar to Neethan Shan's (i.e. i think Cressy had about 45% and a gaggle of also rans had around 12% each)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 15, 2017, 06:55:34 AM
Markham-Thornhill: PMO staffer Mary Ng running. (http://ipolitics.ca/2017/02/15/pmo-insider-takes-leave-of-absence-expected-to-run-for-office/?utm_source=Paid+Morning+Brief&utm_campaign=32b18ccfda-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2016_12_02&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a43c5d924a-32b18ccfda-206779105)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 19, 2017, 11:20:03 AM
Ottawa-Vanier: Set for April 3. (http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1017765/election-partielle-ottawa-vanier-date-justin-trudeau-politique-federale)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: DC Al Fine on February 19, 2017, 01:40:59 PM
Ottawa-Vanier: Set for April 3. (http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1017765/election-partielle-ottawa-vanier-date-justin-trudeau-politique-federale)

Trudeau's not grouping the Calgary ones with Ottawa-Vanier?


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: trebor204 on February 19, 2017, 10:39:33 PM
Trudeau has until:
 the end of February to call for Calgary Heritage (Stephen Harper)
the end of Match to call Calgary Midnapore (Jason Kenney)
and during the summer to call Markham-Thornill (John MacCallum) and Saint-Laurent (Stephane Dion)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 20, 2017, 11:46:26 AM
Markham-Thornhill: Further proof that de jure candidate appointments are better than Justin's de facto ones. (http://www.hilltimes.com/2017/02/20/pmo-director-appointments-ng-jolts-liberal-nomination-contest-markham-thornhill-potential-candidates-reconsidering-run-concerns-fairness/96735)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: 136or142 on February 20, 2017, 02:52:26 PM
Markham-Thornhill: Further proof that de jure candidate appointments are better than Justin's de facto ones. (http://www.hilltimes.com/2017/02/20/pmo-director-appointments-ng-jolts-liberal-nomination-contest-markham-thornhill-potential-candidates-reconsidering-run-concerns-fairness/96735)

I used to be an acquaintance of Braeden Caley.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: #TheShadowyAbyss on February 20, 2017, 05:30:20 PM
Off topic but still related, what's going on with the sudden drop in support for the Liberals?


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Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: toaster on February 20, 2017, 06:33:08 PM
Off topic but still related, what's going on with the sudden drop in support for the Liberals?


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Two things.
1. Not going through with changing Canada's system, and moving away from FPTP
2. Essentially lying.  Even people who want the current system maintained acknowledge he blatantly lied.  And if he honestly didn't understand what changing the system meant, he comes off as unintelligent/making empty promises to get elected.



Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: Jeppe on February 20, 2017, 07:16:55 PM
So, what are your guys' rating on the Saskatoon by-election? I'm gonna say it's "likely NDP" until I see another poll showing the NDP far ahead, in which case I'll say it's a "safe NDP" race.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: Vosem on February 20, 2017, 07:45:30 PM
So, what are your guys' rating on the Saskatoon by-election? I'm gonna say it's "likely NDP" until I see another poll showing the NDP far ahead, in which case I'll say it's a "safe NDP" race.

Well, the Saskatchewan Party defeated the New Democrats by 32 points in the 2016 election, but the last poll has them up just 16 points province-wide. Saskatoon Meewasin was an 8-point victory. So I'd assume the New Democrats are favored, but I wouldn't necessarily take it to the bank, since there is little province-wide polling and we don't know if province-wide swings are necessarily replicated in Saskatoon.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on February 20, 2017, 11:00:55 PM
Off topic but still related, what's going on with the sudden drop in support for the Liberals?


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Progressives outside of Canada haven't got the memo yet, but lil' Justin has been a huge disappointment. He tells us what we want to hear, but doesn't do what we want to be done. I don't know how many people actually care about electoral reform, but it's probably enough to account for a couple of points in the polls.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: Lotuslander on February 21, 2017, 12:09:25 AM
Progressives outside of Canada haven't got the memo yet, but lil' Justin has been a huge disappointment. He tells us what we want to hear, but doesn't do what we want to be done. I don't know how many people actually care about electoral reform, but it's probably enough to account for a couple of points in the polls.

Haha. Come on. That's just rhetoric from an NDP diehard.

Nanos, a CATI pollster that has "nailed" every fed CA election result, since 2004, which equates to 5 election cycles... is the only CA fed pollster worth it's weight in gold - the gold standard of CA polling. Everyone else is just cheap polling junk. Worthless. Period.

Now let's look at the latest weekly Nanos CA polling numbers of February 10, 2017. Firstly, the fed Libs have been bleeding support to the Cons! Your alleged "argument" is lost right there.

BTW, the key data point that drives political party preferences, at the end of the day, are Nanos' "Best PM" numbers:

JT (Lib): 46.36%
Ambrose (Con): 19.12%
Unsure: 19.02%
Mulcair: (NDP) 9.65%
May (Green): 4.91%

http://www.nanosresearch.com/data


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on February 21, 2017, 12:37:29 AM
Oh look, lotuslander found a thread that's not about BC. Guess it's finally time to put him on ignore.

You can tell Nik Nanos I say 'hi'.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: Lotuslander on February 21, 2017, 12:45:38 AM
Oh look, lotuslander found a thread that's not about BC. Guess it's finally time to put him on ignore.

You can tell Nik Nanos I say 'hi'.

Haha. Idiots will always be idiots. And the ideological NDP Scientology/Jehovah's Witness sect on this site will always worship their "high priest". It is what it is. ;)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: Hash on February 21, 2017, 12:54:27 AM
Behave like adults.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 22, 2017, 10:20:12 AM
Other federal by-elections called for April 3.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: lilTommy on February 22, 2017, 02:34:58 PM
Other federal by-elections called for April 3.
So... these ridings are up:

Calgary Heritage (CPC hold)
Calgary Midnapore (CPC hold)
Saint-Laurent (LPC hold)
Markham-Thornhill (most likely the most competitive, toss CPC-LPC)
Ottawa-Vanier (Likely LPC, only riding the NDP can probably even legit contest and put up a fight)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 23, 2017, 07:20:00 AM
Saint-Laurent: James may have Justin's tacit blessing. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/star-candidate-yolande-james-faces-uphill-battle-to-succeed-dion/article34115648/)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: King of Kensington on February 25, 2017, 12:49:32 AM
These five by-elections look like they'll be the most boring ever. 


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 25, 2017, 09:46:26 AM
Gouin (http://plus.lapresse.ca/screens/21d47acc-a4b4-4f5f-8855-eb72c0b04a89%7Ch-OBCz5JVGQj.html): PQ is assuming GND will be the QS candidate even though that still hasn't been confirmed. PSPP wanted to run there but Lisée said no because GND beat all candidates, including ex-MNA Nicolas Girard, in internals. PSPP's been riding shopping and I assume Lisée will find him something by election time.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: Poirot on February 25, 2017, 10:10:23 PM
Conservative leadership candidate Rick Peterson is interested in running in Saint-Laurent. Why???

http://www.lapresse.ca/le-soleil/actualites/politique/201702/25/01-5073277-le-conservateur-rick-peterson-veut-ravir-la-circonscription-de-saint-laurent.php (http://www.lapresse.ca/le-soleil/actualites/politique/201702/25/01-5073277-le-conservateur-rick-peterson-veut-ravir-la-circonscription-de-saint-laurent.php)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: King of Kensington on February 25, 2017, 10:17:34 PM
Conservative leadership candidate Rick Peterson is interested in running in Saint-Laurent. Why???

http://www.lapresse.ca/le-soleil/actualites/politique/201702/25/01-5073277-le-conservateur-rick-peterson-veut-ravir-la-circonscription-de-saint-laurent.php (http://www.lapresse.ca/le-soleil/actualites/politique/201702/25/01-5073277-le-conservateur-rick-peterson-veut-ravir-la-circonscription-de-saint-laurent.php)

A game-changer!


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 27, 2017, 07:40:44 AM
Markham-Thornhill: Fix is in for PMO staffer Mary Ng.  (http://www.hilltimes.com/2017/02/27/markham-thornhill-liberals-open-revolt-alleging-party-rigging-nomination-process-get-pm-trudeaus-top-adviser-ng-elected-candidate/97556)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on February 27, 2017, 04:33:53 PM
These five by-elections look like they'll be the most boring ever. 
When Markham-Thornhill, which had a Liberal majority of 10,000 in 2015, is considered the closest to "toss-up," I think you're right.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: lilTommy on February 27, 2017, 04:57:29 PM
These five by-elections look like they'll be the most boring ever. 
When Markham-Thornhill, which had a Liberal majority of 10,000 in 2015, is considered the closest to "toss-up," I think you're right.

That was the 2015 election though; If you look at how the 2011 election was transposed on to the new Riding you got:
LPC - 37%
CPC - 36%
NPD - 23%



Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on February 27, 2017, 05:36:21 PM
These five by-elections look like they'll be the most boring ever. 
When Markham-Thornhill, which had a Liberal majority of 10,000 in 2015, is considered the closest to "toss-up," I think you're right.

That was the 2015 election though; If you look at how the 2011 election was transposed on to the new Riding you got:
LPC - 37%
CPC - 36%
NPD - 23%


We really don't think we're going to have a redux of the Ignatieff Catastrophe do we?


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: adma on February 27, 2017, 11:09:32 PM
The notional 2011 result was the byproduct of added west-of-the-404 polls from Peter Kent's Thornhill superstronghold (which were still something of a Lib-Con draw in 2015), and the Tamil-leaning eastern polls getting caught up in Laytonmania.  With the NDP all but disintegrating as a factor by 2015, the bigger question might be if the "ChinaCon" swing evident in CPC winning Markham-Unionville (or the provincial PCs winning Scarborough-RR) might migrate into the less uppity environs of Milliken, Armadale, et al.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: lilTommy on February 28, 2017, 07:07:57 AM
The notional 2011 result was the byproduct of added west-of-the-404 polls from Peter Kent's Thornhill superstronghold (which were still something of a Lib-Con draw in 2015), and the Tamil-leaning eastern polls getting caught up in Laytonmania.  With the NDP all but disintegrating as a factor by 2015, the bigger question might be if the "ChinaCon" swing evident in CPC winning Markham-Unionville (or the provincial PCs winning Scarborough-RR) might migrate into the less uppity environs of Milliken, Armadale, et al.

The NDP is likely to poll its traditional pre-2011 numbers, 10% or so likely, as it is nationally about 16% or so; But the Conservatives are polling better then the 2015 numbers and without McCallum and already internal issues with the Liberal nomination, I just don't think this is a safe LPC hold.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 28, 2017, 11:46:29 AM
Saint-Laurent: DeSousa red-lit, James will be their next MP. (https://twitter.com/danlebla/status/836612879470190592)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Toronto Ward 42: Feb. 13)
Post by: Poirot on March 01, 2017, 11:04:22 PM
You beat me to it! here are the Decided as well, even worse for the SP

So not so close in Saskatoon-Meewasin...
All Voters (Decided+Leaning)
NDP - 46% (59%)
SP - 23% (30%)
SL - 4% (7%)
Green - 4% (4%)
undecided - 23%

Mainstreet had another poll for Saskatoon-Meewasin and shows a dead heat

February 23  All Voters (Decided+Leanoing)

NDP 37% (44%)
SP 39% (45%)
Sl  3% (5%)
Green 5% (6%)
Undecided 15%

margin of error 4.7%
http://www.mainstreetresearch.ca/dead-heat-meewasin/ (http://www.mainstreetresearch.ca/dead-heat-meewasin/)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: Jeppe on March 02, 2017, 10:02:26 AM
Gonna predict a 5% victory for the Sask NDP in Saskatoon Meewasin. The weird polling shifts aside, the fundamentals of the race are pointing towards an NDP win.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on March 02, 2017, 05:39:32 PM
Here's a map for y'all:

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I think the Sask Party may just eek out a victory. We'll see. It's all about turnout as the riding is heavily polarized between north & south.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: Jeppe on March 02, 2017, 09:22:03 PM
Results 10/50 polls results

NDP - 52%
SKP - 40%

Would be nice knowing where those polls were though..


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: Jeppe on March 02, 2017, 09:34:20 PM
The Sask NDP is most likely going to win by double digits in Saskatoon Meewasin.

22/50; 55% to 38%.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on March 02, 2017, 09:40:12 PM
Let's not call this yet, we don't know where the polls are coming from.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: adma on March 02, 2017, 10:06:27 PM
40 out of 50 polls: 52-40 NDP.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: Jeppe on March 02, 2017, 10:15:33 PM
Calling it for the Meilli. There are only about 800 or 900 more votes coming in, and he has a 400+ vote lead stockpiled.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on March 02, 2017, 10:32:13 PM
yeah, it's over. Huzzah!


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 02, 2017, 11:06:32 PM
Markham-Thornhill: another candidate withdraws.  (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2017/03/02/candidate-withdraws-from-liberal-nomination-for-ontario-byelection-race/#.WLjrVjsrKUl)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: lilTommy on March 03, 2017, 07:31:32 AM
Saskatoon-Meewasin Final:

Meili, NDP - 54.2 % (2,666 votes),
Penner, SP - 39.9% (1,962 votes)
Lamoureaux, Liberal - 3.7%(180 votes)
Prokopchuk, PC - 1.3 % (62 votes)
Setyo, Green - 1.1% (53 votes)

voter turnout is at 40.62 per cent (4,923 of 12,121 registered voters)

So that last poll out, was odd/bad polling? and might have scared the crud out of the NDP to get the vote out.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: adma on March 03, 2017, 08:28:27 AM
I wonder what the result would have been like had Meili not been the NDP candidate...


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: Jeppe on March 03, 2017, 08:46:42 AM
I think a bit tighter, but still an NDP win. I think Penner was a very strong candidate and that without him, it would've been even more of a blowout.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: Jeppe on March 03, 2017, 08:48:28 AM
Saskatoon-Meewasin Final:

Meili, NDP - 54.2 % (2,666 votes),
Penner, SP - 39.9% (1,962 votes)
Lamoureaux, Liberal - 3.7%(180 votes)
Prokopchuk, PC - 1.3 % (62 votes)
Setyo, Green - 1.1% (53 votes)

voter turnout is at 40.62 per cent (4,923 of 12,121 registered voters)

So that last poll out, was odd/bad polling? and might have scared the crud out of the NDP to get the vote out.

The Sask NDP pulled out all the stops to win the by-election, and a strong GOTV operation was included. I think most, if not the entire Sask NDP caucus was pulling the vote, alongside a bunch of volunteers from across the province.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on March 03, 2017, 09:30:01 AM
Swings:
NDP +11.2%
SP: -10.6%
Lib: -0.8%
Grn: -1.1%

Two party average swing: 10.9% SP to NDP


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on March 03, 2017, 10:32:05 AM
:)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 05, 2017, 06:30:19 AM
Markham-Thornhill: Mary Ng is the next MP. (http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2017/03/04/pmo-staffer-will-run-for-the-liberals-in-federal-byelection-3/#.WLv2QTsrKUl)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 08, 2017, 01:26:09 PM
Sault Ste. Marie: councilor Matthew Shoemaker won't run for Team Wynne.  (https://twitter.com/spaikin/status/839479111097729025)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on March 08, 2017, 01:32:50 PM
Looking more and more like a PC-NDP race.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: lilTommy on March 08, 2017, 01:57:14 PM
Looking more and more like a PC-NDP race.

With Hydro being 'UGE in the North, more so then southern/urban Ontario and the PCs having no plan... this is feels more advantage NDP, but, it is the Soo so anything can happen (the riding tends to buck trends, 95 the NDP vote increased as the party went down in flames to Harris, and 2011 federally the NDP MP was defeated by the CPC during the Orange Crush)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 08, 2017, 03:52:34 PM
Gouin: confirmed that GND will be the QS candidate and he'll also run to be co-spox.  (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-quebecoise/201703/06/01-5076155-gabriel-nadeau-dubois-ferait-le-saut-en-politique.php)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 08, 2017, 10:47:09 PM
Saint-Laurent: James lost the nomination to a local schoolteacher.  (https://twitter.com/RosieBarton/status/839682073027887104) She  (https://twitter.com/filionrayTVA/status/839682196164182016)also came a distant 3rd. SAD! (which is why you appoint)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: DC Al Fine on March 09, 2017, 06:01:08 AM
Saint-Laurent: James lost the nomination to a local schoolteacher.  (https://twitter.com/RosieBarton/status/839682073027887104) She  (https://twitter.com/filionrayTVA/status/839682196164182016)also came a distant 3rd. SAD! (which is why you appoint)

Lol

How hard is it for the LPC to sign up instamembers en masse? If they want to rig a nomination, they should do it the old fashioned way.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: Jeppe on March 09, 2017, 06:49:32 AM
Oh wow, she's probably gonna be in that seat for 40-50 years, considering how young she is and how safe the riding has been for the Liberals.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on March 09, 2017, 11:50:17 AM
Saint-Laurent: James lost the nomination to a local schoolteacher.  (https://twitter.com/RosieBarton/status/839682073027887104) She  (https://twitter.com/filionrayTVA/status/839682196164182016)also came a distant 3rd. SAD! (which is why you appoint)

Lol

How hard is it for the LPC to sign up instamembers en masse? If they want to rig a nomination, they should do it the old fashioned way.

yeah, this is just incompetence, or perhaps the Liberals have been feeling the heat on electoral reform, so are trying to avoid any democratic scandals by avoiding meddling in nomination races?


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: lilTommy on March 10, 2017, 07:04:25 AM
Saint-Laurent: James lost the nomination to a local schoolteacher.  (https://twitter.com/RosieBarton/status/839682073027887104) She  (https://twitter.com/filionrayTVA/status/839682196164182016)also came a distant 3rd. SAD! (which is why you appoint)

Lol

How hard is it for the LPC to sign up instamembers en masse? If they want to rig a nomination, they should do it the old fashioned way.

yeah, this is just incompetence, or perhaps the Liberals have been feeling the heat on electoral reform, so are trying to avoid any democratic scandals by avoiding meddling in nomination races?

They aren't doing a good job at that either then! i.e. Markham-Thornhill's nomination mess


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Meewasin (prov), SK: Mar 2)
Post by: Poirot on March 12, 2017, 04:45:02 PM
The Saint-Laurent LPC nomination vote was for the first round:

Rizqy 539
Lambropoulos 431
James 398

And after it was 626 for Lambropoulos to 508. I think they used preferential ballot so I don't know if a candidate can lose vote on the secound round. These are the numbers that were reported.
http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2017/03/08/la-candidate-liberale-dans-saint-laurent-sera-connue-ce-soir-1 (http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2017/03/08/la-candidate-liberale-dans-saint-laurent-sera-connue-ce-soir-1)

The other candidates are Jimmy Yu who also ran in the last election for the Conservatives. Mathieu Auclair for the NDP. For the Green party it's longtime environmentalist Daniel Green who is deputy leader. William Fayad for the Bloc, he ran previously for the BQ, PQ and for borough mayor of Saint-Laurent with Projer Montréal last municipal election. 


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: 136or142 on April 03, 2017, 07:35:45 PM
By-election day today.  Polls close in just over an hour.

Taking a look at the candidates.  The Conservatives seem to be doubling down on appealing to their hardcore base.  Four of their five:

1.Bob Benzen, Calgary-Heritage,  spearheaded the “Decade of Excellence” project to thank Stephen Harper for his nearly ten years as our prime minister. The “Decade of Excellence” campaign involved placing print advertisements and billboards across Canada with a public thank you to Mr. Harper from Canadians “coast to coast to coast.” At the 2016 Conservative National Convention in Vancouver, the “Decade of Excellence” display was covered by several media outlets and praised by Conservatives from across the country.

2.Stephanie Kusie, Calgary-Midnapore, Executive Director of Common Sense Calgary, a municipal anti tax organization similar to the so-called Canadian Taxpayer's Federation. To be fair to her though, prior to this was a foreign service officer.  I hope she isn't the next Chris Alexander.

3.Ragevan Paranchothy, Markham-Thornhill, recently discovered to have recently tweeted a number of global warming denial tweets (along the lines of "if the world is warming, why are there more polar bears?")

4.Jimmy Yu, Saint Laurent, In a speech following the announcement, Yu highlighted his immigrant roots and panned the Liberals for authorizing safe injection sites.

"The Liberal government already approved three injection sites, and I will never allow [one] to be in my riding."

And while he wouldn't formally endorse any Conservative leadership candidates, leadership hopeful Kellie Leitch was there to show her support.

Of course, Canadians have a right to vote for whoever they want. But, I don't think these are the sorts of candidates that will expand the Conservative Party base.

In contrast, for instance, the NDP is running several candidates not frequently associated with the NDP:

1.Emilie Taman, Ottawa-Vanier a former federal prosecutor (essentially fired for seeking the NDP nomination for the 2015 election, she's now a law professor.  Personally I can see both sides of whether a a public servant in a non partisan position should be allowed to run politically)

2.Khalis Ahmed, Calgary-Heritage, a professional geologist and senior project manager at Lily Petroleum Ltd.  In his speech at the nomination meeting (on the NDP website) he spoke of the need for building the Energy East Pipeline, but in a way that is environmentally sound.

3.Gregory Hines, Markham-Thornhill, the CEO of DOAHL Academy of Dance (Dance on a Higher Level) Dancing School


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: King of Kensington on April 03, 2017, 07:36:33 PM
I expect these all to be real sleepers.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: Poirot on April 03, 2017, 08:03:33 PM
John Turmel is a candidate in Ottawa-Vanier.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: 2952-0-0 on April 03, 2017, 08:46:29 PM
...with one poll reporting, Cons leading in Markham Thornhill! :o


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 03, 2017, 08:48:56 PM
...with one poll reporting, Cons leading in Markham Thornhill! :o
tudeau needs to resign right now


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: 136or142 on April 03, 2017, 08:50:21 PM
...with one poll reporting, Cons leading in Markham Thornhill! :o
tudeau needs to resign right now

Liberals now lead 124-114.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 03, 2017, 08:50:58 PM
...with one poll reporting, Cons leading in Markham Thornhill! :o
tudeau needs to resign right now

Liberals now lead 124-114.
liberals are unbeatable


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 03, 2017, 08:57:29 PM
In all seriousness the NDP is only at 50 votes in Markham while the Liberals and Tories are approaching 1,000.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: 136or142 on April 03, 2017, 08:59:11 PM
John "The Engineer" Turmel has one vote.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 03, 2017, 09:02:08 PM
Progressive Canadian Party is above the Greens in Markham for now. The NDP is not having a good night thus far.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: 2952-0-0 on April 03, 2017, 09:12:12 PM
It's telling that while both opposition parties are in leadership races, the Conservatives have held their base while the NDP has crashed to fringe party status.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: 136or142 on April 03, 2017, 09:14:53 PM
It's telling that while both opposition parties are in leadership races, the Conservatives have held their base while the NDP has crashed to fringe party status.

Except in Ottawa-Vanier.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 03, 2017, 09:19:42 PM
It's telling that while both opposition parties are in leadership races, the Conservatives have held their base while the NDP has crashed to fringe party status.

Except in Ottawa-Vanier.
Yes, but the NDP is much, much stronger in Ottawa-Vanier than in any of these other ridings.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 03, 2017, 09:25:42 PM
CBC has projected Calgary Heritage & Ottawa-Vanier Blue & Red.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: King of Kensington on April 03, 2017, 09:28:50 PM
A good showing for the NDP in Ottawa-Vanier, but a bad one in Saint Laurent.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 03, 2017, 09:34:39 PM
A good showing for the NDP in Ottawa-Vanier, but a bad one in Saint Laurent.
Yeah. Doesn't bode well for the next election for the Dippers in Quebec.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: 2952-0-0 on April 03, 2017, 09:37:57 PM
Needless to say if Trudeau didn't impose his preferred candidate on Markham Thornhill, the margin of victory would have been more than the current 12-15%.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 03, 2017, 09:42:33 PM
Needless to say if Trudeau didn't impose his preferred candidate on Markham Thornhill, the margin of victory would have been more than the current 12-15%.
Is Ng unpopular in the area?


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: 2952-0-0 on April 03, 2017, 09:46:47 PM
Needless to say if Trudeau didn't impose his preferred candidate on Markham Thornhill, the margin of victory would have been more than the current 12-15%.
Is Ng unpopular in the area?
https://www.hilltimes.com/2017/02/27/markham-thornhill-liberals-open-revolt-alleging-party-rigging-nomination-process-get-pm-trudeaus-top-adviser-ng-elected-candidate/97556


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: 136or142 on April 03, 2017, 09:48:18 PM
A good showing for the NDP in Ottawa-Vanier, but a bad one in Saint Laurent.
Yeah. Doesn't bode well for the next election for the Dippers in Quebec.

The relatively high profile Green Party candidate in Saint Laurent for the by-election probably took disproportionally from the NDP.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 03, 2017, 10:27:58 PM
The Green candidate is still in front of the NDP candidate in St-Laurent.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: Njall on April 03, 2017, 10:34:30 PM
I must say, as disappointing as the CPC margins in Calgary are, they're not too surprising. Aside from the histories of those ridings, the other campaigns seemed to have little-to-no ground game.

I still proudly voted for Scott Forsyth in Calgary Heritage though - the thought of Bob Benzen as my MP-to-be is more than a little nauseating.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: Njall on April 03, 2017, 10:45:24 PM
Markham--Thornhill (189/189 polls):
Mary Ng (Liberal): 51.3% (-4.4)
Ragavan Paranchothy (Conservative): 39.0% (+6.7)
Gregory Hines (NDP): 3.5% (-7.2)
Dorian Baxter (Progressive Canadian): 3.0%
Caryn Bergmann (Green): 2.2% (+0.9)
Brendan Reilly (Libertarian): 0.6%
Above Znoneofthe (Independent): 0.4%


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: 136or142 on April 03, 2017, 10:47:11 PM
Final election night result in Markham-Thornhill

Total votes: 19,215
Marry Ng, Liberal, 9,856, 51.3%
Ragavan Paranchothy, Conservative, 7,501, 39.0%
Gregory Hines, NDP,  671, 3.5%
Dorian Baxter, Progressive Canadian, 566, 2.9%
Caryn Bergmann, Green, 426, 2.2%
Brendan Thomas Reilly, Libertarian, 118, 0.6%   
Above Znoneofthe, Independent, 77, 0.4%

Registered Voters: 69,838
Percentage: 27.51%


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: adma on April 03, 2017, 10:49:25 PM

1.Emilie Taman, Ottawa-Vanier a former federal prosecutor (essentially fired for seeking the NDP nomination for the 2015 election, she's now a law professor.  Personally I can see both sides of whether a a public servant in a non partisan position should be allowed to run politically)


Important, too, to note that she's the daughter of former Supreme Court justice Louise Arbour.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: Njall on April 03, 2017, 11:13:16 PM
Saint-Laurent (182/182 polls):
Emmanuella Lambropoulos (Liberal): 59.1% (-2.5)
Jimmy Yu (Conservative): 19.6% (+0.1)
Daniel Green (Green): 8.0% (+6.6)
Mathieu Auclair (NDP): 7.8% (-3.7)
William Fayad (Bloc Quebecois): 4.9% (+0.2)
Chinook Blais-Leduc (Rhinoceros): 0.7%


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: Barnes on April 03, 2017, 11:36:58 PM
A take away, for what these Volkshammer-level seats are worth:

The Liberals are clearly holding their 2015 vote and continuing to drain from the (currently) listless Dippers while the Tories have little to worry about in their strongholds. The reduced margin in Markham is mainly due to (rather appalling) branch stacking for Ng, but these types of seats will eventual start to give the Government headaches closer to 2019.

And Canadians don't feel like voting in by-elections.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: Njall on April 03, 2017, 11:37:41 PM
Calgary Heritage (204/204 polls):
Bob Benzen (Conservative): 71.5% (+7.7)
Scott Forsyth (Liberal): 21.7% (-4.3)
Khalis Ahmed (NDP): 2.9% (-5.4)
Taryn Knorren (Green): 1.8% (-0.3)
Jeff Willerton (Christian Heritage): 1.4%
Darcy Gerow (Libertarian): 0.4%
Stephen Garvey (National Advancement): 0.3%


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: Njall on April 03, 2017, 11:58:25 PM
Calgary Midnapore (230/230 polls):
Stephanie Kusie (Conservative): 77.2% (+10.5)
Haley Brown (Liberal): 17.0% (-5.6)
Holly Heffernan (NDP): 2.5% (-5.2)
Ryan Zedic (Green): 2.1% (-0.6)
Larry Heather (Christian Heritage): 0.9%
Kulbir Singh Chawla (National Advancement): 0.3%


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: Njall on April 04, 2017, 12:07:49 AM
Ottawa--Vanier (255/255 polls):
Mona Fortier (Liberal): 51.2% (-6.4)
Emilie Taman (NDP): 28.7% (+9.4)
Adrian Papara (Conservative): 15.4 (-3.7)
Nira Dookeran (Green): 3.3% (+0.2)
John Turmel (Independent): 0.5%
Damien Wilson (Libertarian): 0.5% (-0.3)
Christina Wilson (Independent): 0.3%


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 04, 2017, 12:59:48 AM
A take away, for what these Volkshammer-level seats are worth:

The Liberals are clearly holding their 2015 vote and continuing to drain from the (currently) listless Dippers while the Tories have little to worry about in their strongholds. The reduced margin in Markham is mainly due to (rather appalling) branch stacking for Ng, but these types of seats will eventual start to give the Government headaches closer to 2019.

And Canadians don't feel like voting in by-elections.
Yeah, the small turnout in Liberal seats to me shows that the there's no outrage at the Trudeau Government, and that people aren't clamoring for change.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: DL on April 04, 2017, 07:01:27 AM
A take away, for what these Volkshammer-level seats are worth:

The Liberals are clearly holding their 2015 vote and continuing to drain from the (currently) listless Dippers while the Tories have little to worry about in their strongholds. The reduced margin in Markham is mainly due to (rather appalling) branch stacking for Ng, but these types of seats will eventual start to give the Government headaches closer to 2019.

And Canadians don't feel like voting in by-elections.

The only seat where the NDP had any campaign at all, as opposed to just a name on the ballot, was Ottawa Vanier where their vote went up 10 points. To the extent that byelection indicate anything at all, it shows that the NDP can cut into the Liberal vote when it makes an effort. Vanier was the only one of the five seats that would ever conceivably be an NDP target on a good day.

Btw, Emilie Taman is a superb candidate. The next Ontario provincial election is. A year away and while the federal Liberals are still relatively popular, the Ontario Liberals most definitely are not. The Ontario Liberals are so unpopular they could be reduced to half a dozen seats. I wonder if Taman could be convinced to run for the Ontario NDP in Ottawa Centre (where she actually lives)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: King of Kensington on April 04, 2017, 08:07:53 AM
Btw, Emilie Taman is a superb candidate. The next Ontario provincial election is. A year away and while the federal Liberals are still relatively popular, the Ontario Liberals most definitely are not. The Ontario Liberals are so unpopular they could be reduced to half a dozen seats. I wonder if Taman could be convinced to run for the Ontario NDP in Ottawa Centre (where she actually lives)

And Vanier would be one of those half dozen seats!


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: Barnes on April 04, 2017, 09:38:44 AM
Btw, Emilie Taman is a superb candidate. The next Ontario provincial election is. A year away and while the federal Liberals are still relatively popular, the Ontario Liberals most definitely are not. The Ontario Liberals are so unpopular they could be reduced to half a dozen seats. I wonder if Taman could be convinced to run for the Ontario NDP in Ottawa Centre (where she actually lives)

And Vanier would be one of those half dozen seats!

Exactly. That seat has been a Grit stronghold since 1935. The Ontario Liberals will probably do horrendously poorly at the provincial election, but I don't see that having much of an indicative effect federally.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: 136or142 on April 04, 2017, 11:48:15 AM
Aggregate vote change.  Turnout was about 50% of the 2015 turnout in all of the ridings.

2015
Total votes: 268,534
Liberal: 114,752, 42.7%
Conservative: 113,503, 42.3%
NDP: 30,605, 11.4%
Green: 6,396, 2.4%
Other: 3,278, 1.2%

2017
Total votes: 124,483
Liberal: 47,346, 38.0%, -4.7%
Conservative: 57,706, 46.4%, +4.1%
NDP: 12,224, 9.8%, -1.6%
Green: 4,070, 3.3% +0.9%
Other: 3,137, 2.5%

Additional notes:
1.The NDP's increase in Ottawa-Vanier masks its declines in the other four ridings. 
2.The actual Green Party vote in Saint Laurent (not just its vote percent) increased over 2015.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 04, 2017, 07:53:37 PM
Btw, Emilie Taman is a superb candidate. The next Ontario provincial election is. A year away and while the federal Liberals are still relatively popular, the Ontario Liberals most definitely are not. The Ontario Liberals are so unpopular they could be reduced to half a dozen seats. I wonder if Taman could be convinced to run for the Ontario NDP in Ottawa Centre (where she actually lives)

And Vanier would be one of those half dozen seats!

Exactly. That seat has been a Grit stronghold since 1935. The Ontario Liberals will probably do horrendously poorly at the provincial election, but I don't see that having much of an indicative effect federally.

Don't forget, there was just a provincial by-election in Ottawa-Vanier, where the Liberals still won by a large margin.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: Barnes on April 04, 2017, 08:09:58 PM
Btw, Emilie Taman is a superb candidate. The next Ontario provincial election is. A year away and while the federal Liberals are still relatively popular, the Ontario Liberals most definitely are not. The Ontario Liberals are so unpopular they could be reduced to half a dozen seats. I wonder if Taman could be convinced to run for the Ontario NDP in Ottawa Centre (where she actually lives)

And Vanier would be one of those half dozen seats!

Exactly. That seat has been a Grit stronghold since 1935. The Ontario Liberals will probably do horrendously poorly at the provincial election, but I don't see that having much of an indicative effect federally.

Don't forget, there was just a provincial by-election in Ottawa-Vanier, where the Liberals still won by a large margin.

Oh yeah of course. I meant horribly province-wide, and yet they still hold Vanier! ;D


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: adma on April 04, 2017, 11:47:04 PM
=2.The actual Green Party vote in Saint Laurent (not just its vote percent) increased over 2015.

What was the story there w/ Daniel Green?


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 04, 2017, 11:48:11 PM
=2.The actual Green Party vote in Saint Laurent (not just its vote percent) increased over 2015.

What was the story there w/ Daniel Green?
Turns out he's actually the deputy leader of the party, so I imagine the Greens focused a ton of resources on St-Laurent.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: lilTommy on April 19, 2017, 07:23:48 AM
Toronto might hold another City Council by-election, Scarborough ward 44 Councillor Ron Moeser has died
https://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2017/04/18/toronto-councillor-ron-moeser-dies.html


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on April 19, 2017, 09:23:04 AM
Toronto might hold another City Council by-election, Scarborough ward 44 Councillor Ron Moeser has died
https://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2017/04/18/toronto-councillor-ron-moeser-dies.html

How popular was he? Every election he's been in since 2003 has been razor close.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: DL on April 19, 2017, 09:24:42 AM
Unlikely. The practice in toronto has been not to have a byelection when we are past the half way mark of the city council term. I expect council to pick a temporary replacement who will promise not to run next year


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: toaster on April 19, 2017, 08:24:28 PM
Unlikely. The practice in toronto has been not to have a byelection when we are past the half way mark of the city council term. I expect council to pick a temporary replacement who will promise not to run next year
They really should promise they won't run for elected office.  We saw what happened in Etobicoke with James Maloney.  The City of Toronto basically gave him the name recognition for free.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: adma on April 19, 2017, 09:23:16 PM
Unlikely. The practice in toronto has been not to have a byelection when we are past the half way mark of the city council term. I expect council to pick a temporary replacement who will promise not to run next year

David Soknacki?


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 26, 2017, 12:57:20 PM
Gouin  (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-quebecoise/201704/26/01-5092071-lelection-complementaire-dans-gouin-aura-lieu-le-29-mai.php?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)set for May 29. GND will win bigly of course.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: RogueBeaver on April 27, 2017, 11:30:17 AM
Provincial Louis-Hébert: Hamad quitting politics. Good riddance. (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-quebecoise/201704/27/01-5092386-sam-hamad-je-rentre-a-la-maison.php)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 03, 2017, 11:44:21 AM
Sault Ste. Marie finally called for June 1. (https://twitter.com/lamoureuxja/status/859810435956191232)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: 136or142 on May 03, 2017, 11:50:23 AM
What about the Manitoba by-election to replace New Democrat Kevin Chief?


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: the506 on May 12, 2017, 10:03:45 AM
What about the Manitoba by-election to replace New Democrat Kevin Chief?


Called today. June 13.

http://news.gov.mb.ca/news/index.html?archive=&item=41543


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on May 12, 2017, 10:20:41 AM
What about the Manitoba by-election to replace New Democrat Kevin Chief?


Called today. June 13.

http://news.gov.mb.ca/news/index.html?archive=&item=41543

Well, the one improvement the Tory government is over the previous NDP government is they only take 4 months to call by-elections instead of a year :P


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: federal by-elections: Apr 3)
Post by: toaster on May 12, 2017, 08:04:11 PM
Sault Ste. Marie finally called for June 1. (https://twitter.com/lamoureuxja/status/859810435956191232)
Will be interesting.  The NDP (and ONDP) always seem within reach in Sault Ste Marie, but even with strong candidates the last couple of times, they didn't do the best.  I do expect the Liberals to lose a lot the vote, I'm not sure the former mayor is as popular as the Liberals like to point out, and with the Liberal unpopularity in Ontario, particularly in the North, I see voters moving over to either the ONDP or PCs.  Should the ONDP take this riding, it shows that the Blue/Orange tossups are in play for the ONDP, and that the PCs aren't going to be able to take them for granted.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kingston, ON District 1: May 15)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on May 13, 2017, 12:09:59 PM
FWIW, I fully expect a 3-way race in the Soo, and wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being a PC-NDP race.

The Liberals may be running a former mayor, but she lost in the last mayoral election (to another Liberal to boot), which is usually a sign that she wasn't very popular. In municipal politics, it is fairly rare for an incumbent to lose.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kingston, ON District 1: May 15)
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 15, 2017, 03:45:32 PM
Sturgeon River-Parkland: Ambrose will resign in June. (https://twitter.com/JPTasker/status/864219730168688646)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kingston, ON District 1: May 15)
Post by: 136or142 on May 15, 2017, 05:44:54 PM
Sturgeon River-Parkland: Ambrose will resign in June. (https://twitter.com/JPTasker/status/864219730168688646)


Is there an explanation for this?


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kingston, ON District 1: May 15)
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 27, 2017, 08:07:11 PM
Gouin: GND should win bigly on Tuesday.  (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-quebecoise/201705/27/01-5101938-partielle-dans-gouin-gabriel-nadeau-dubois-est-optimiste.php)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Gouin, QC provincial: May 29)
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 29, 2017, 07:39:35 PM
GND has a yuge lead with 9/151 reporting. Results here. http://resultats.dgeq.org/resultatsPreliminaires.fr.html


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Gouin, QC provincial: May 29)
Post by: Poirot on May 29, 2017, 07:41:02 PM
Gouin

QS 68%
PLQ 12%
CAQ 6.5%
Vert 6.5%
ON 5%
Others and 6 candidates with zero vote


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Gouin, QC provincial: May 29)
Post by: Poirot on May 29, 2017, 07:49:24 PM
Option Nationale in third now. Today the PQ Gouin riding president said he would vote ON. Maybe they will have a goos showing if it's a trend for PQ orphans.   


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Gouin, QC provincial: May 29)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on May 29, 2017, 07:53:03 PM
Radio-Canada calls it for GND


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Gouin, QC provincial: May 29)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on May 29, 2017, 07:55:21 PM
Some questions:
I thought there were talks of an ON-QS merger? And yet they're in third?
I also thought the CAQ was polling in first place in province wide polling? I know Gouin isn't their best area, but they're in danger of finishing fifth.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Gouin, QC provincial: May 29)
Post by: Poirot on May 29, 2017, 07:56:32 PM
With QS at 68% it's more interesting to watch 3to 5th place and the minor candidates with single digit votes. Every candidate has more than 0 vote now.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Gouin, QC provincial: May 29)
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 29, 2017, 07:57:18 PM
That was only Mainstreet, Leger still has the Grits ahead. QS-ON talks haven't gotten that far yet.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Gouin, QC provincial: May 29)
Post by: Poirot on May 29, 2017, 08:01:24 PM
QS voted to have talks of merge with QS yes. The PQ riding president chose to vote ON since the QS agreement is not happening so PQ voters might not vote QS or stay home or do as he is doing and vote ON.

CAQ is weak in Montreal and especially in a leftist area so I don't think it's a surprise if they do badly.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Gouin, QC provincial: May 29)
Post by: Poirot on May 29, 2017, 08:05:33 PM
ON in second (so yes must be the orphan PQ vote helping ON)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Gouin, QC provincial: May 29)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on May 29, 2017, 08:06:45 PM
QS voted to have talks of merge with QS yes. The PQ riding president chose to vote ON since the QS agreement is not happening so PQ voters might not vote QS or stay home or do as he is doing and vote ON.

CAQ is weak in Montreal and especially in a leftist area so I don't think it's a surprise if they do badly.

I know, but they are lower than what they got in the last election. Though this is very common in by-elections for "third parties" to do poorly.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Gouin, QC provincial: May 29)
Post by: Poirot on May 29, 2017, 08:13:24 PM
CAQ got 8.7% in last general election. They are at about 7% right now. I don't consider it much of a difference. Even with higher result provincially CAQ possibly will not rise more here. 


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Gouin, QC provincial: May 29)
Post by: Poirot on May 29, 2017, 08:16:49 PM
Seems the interesting thing is battle for second. The PLQ vote is much lower than in the election.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Gouin, QC provincial: May 29)
Post by: Poirot on May 29, 2017, 08:22:54 PM
At half way, QS at 68%. About 20 votes difference between ON and PLQ for second.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Gouin, QC provincial: May 29)
Post by: Poirot on May 29, 2017, 08:25:55 PM
PLQ in second with about 40 vote lead.

Bloc Pot has more votes than conservative party.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Gouin, QC provincial: May 29)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on May 30, 2017, 09:04:42 AM
Final results
QS: 69.2% (+18.2%)
PLQ: 8.9% (-8.9%)
ON: 7.9% (+6.7%)
CAQ: 6.7% (-2.0%)
PVQ: 4.6%
Others: 2.7%

Turnout 32.7%

2 Party Swing: 13.6% (PLQ to QS)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Gouin, QC provincial: May 29)
Post by: 136or142 on May 30, 2017, 12:13:21 PM
Poor GND, not one person here referred to him by his full name: Gabriel Nadeau-Dubois

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_Nadeau-Dubois


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Gouin, QC provincial: May 29)
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 31, 2017, 09:49:20 AM
Ontarians, will Dippers or Tories win the Soo tomorrow? I assume Dippers.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Gouin, QC provincial: May 29)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on May 31, 2017, 01:15:42 PM
Ontarians, will Dippers or Tories win the Soo tomorrow? I assume Dippers.

I haven't heard any rumblings from NDP circles, so I suspect silence means they don't think they'll win it.

Not sure if the Liberal rebounding is true or not, but they're making a bunch of left wing promises; not sure if any of it has to do with the by-election, but perhaps they think they have an outside shot of winning it?

Sault Ste. Marie is one of those ridings where individual candidacy matters a lot, so you can't just extrapolate from past election results.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 31, 2017, 01:25:46 PM
Rebounding in Kouvalis' poll or the riding? Forum still shows the usual Tory lead.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on May 31, 2017, 01:48:08 PM
Rebounding in Kouvalis' poll or the riding? Forum still shows the usual Tory lead.

The province-wide poll by Campaign Research.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: toaster on May 31, 2017, 03:49:37 PM
Sault Ste Marie, federally, was one of the only ridings (if not the only?) where an NDP incumbent lost during the big orange wave of Jack Layton that put them into opposition.  Trends, like was mentioned previously, don't really matter here.  I do hear that the NDP candidate is the most well liked.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on May 31, 2017, 04:45:58 PM
Sault Ste Marie, federally, was one of the only ridings (if not the only?) where an NDP incumbent lost during the big orange wave of Jack Layton that put them into opposition.  Trends, like was mentioned previously, don't really matter here.  I do hear that the NDP candidate is the most well liked.

It was not the only one, the NDP also lost Elmwood-Transcona in 2011.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: VPH on May 31, 2017, 05:36:31 PM
Sault Ste Marie, federally, was one of the only ridings (if not the only?) where an NDP incumbent lost during the big orange wave of Jack Layton that put them into opposition.  Trends, like was mentioned previously, don't really matter here.  I do hear that the NDP candidate is the most well liked.
What is the riding like in terms of demographics, socioeconomic status, etc?


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 31, 2017, 08:38:34 PM
Star: Grits sound pessimistic, Brown downplaying expectations, Horwath sounds optimistic. (https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2017/05/31/voters-in-sault-ste-marie-pass-judgment-on-wynne-government-in-byelection-thursday.html)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: King of Kensington on May 31, 2017, 08:41:15 PM
Sault Ste Marie, federally, was one of the only ridings (if not the only?) where an NDP incumbent lost during the big orange wave of Jack Layton that put them into opposition.  Trends, like was mentioned previously, don't really matter here.  I do hear that the NDP candidate is the most well liked.
What is the riding like in terms of demographics, socioeconomic status, etc?

Very working class city.  Large Italian Canadian population.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: King of Kensington on May 31, 2017, 08:43:07 PM
Honesty I have no clue what'll happen there.  The Soo often defies the general trend.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: lilTommy on June 01, 2017, 06:47:28 AM
Honesty I have no clue what'll happen there.  The Soo often defies the general trend.

Yup, even provincially... back in 95, when the ONDP got crushed, SSM saw an increase in vote for the ONDP.
Fingers crossed on an ONDP win!


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 01, 2017, 07:31:27 AM
Honesty I have no clue what'll happen there.  The Soo often defies the general trend.

Yup, even provincially... back in 95, when the ONDP got crushed, SSM saw an increase in vote for the ONDP.
Fingers crossed on an ONDP win!

And yet, in 1990 when the ONDP formed government, they had a large decrease in vote share!


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 01, 2017, 10:18:35 AM
Handy chart:

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Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 01, 2017, 05:10:57 PM
Polls close at 9. (https://www3.elections.on.ca/RealTimeResults/ElectoralDistrict/en)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 01, 2017, 08:22:24 PM
Grits leading right now.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 01, 2017, 08:32:11 PM
Close Dipper-Tory race.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: #TheShadowyAbyss on June 01, 2017, 08:34:08 PM
Joe Krmpotich - NDP - 861 - 34.9%
Ross Romano - PC - 852 - 34.5%
Debbie Amaroso - LIB - 643 - 26.1%
Kara Flannigan - Green - 55 - 2.2%
Others - 56 - 2.3%


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: Poirot on June 01, 2017, 08:44:53 PM
PC in the lead by 71 votes over NDP. About a third of polls reporting.
John Turmel is last with 8 votes.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: #TheShadowyAbyss on June 01, 2017, 08:46:06 PM
PC now 205 votes ahead.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: Poirot on June 01, 2017, 08:52:38 PM
PC extending the lead to about 400 at half point.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: #TheShadowyAbyss on June 01, 2017, 08:56:48 PM
PC continues to extend the lead now to ~600 votes at 60% reporting.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: King of Kensington on June 01, 2017, 08:57:47 PM
Looks like the Tories have got it.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: #TheShadowyAbyss on June 01, 2017, 09:04:25 PM
Tories now 1,000 votes ahead.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: Poirot on June 01, 2017, 09:04:59 PM
PC at 39%. None of the above party in 5th place with 1.25%


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: Poirot on June 01, 2017, 09:06:49 PM
As they are coming down the stretch, PC 39%, NDP 33%, LIB 23%


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 01, 2017, 09:12:11 PM
Paikin calls it. (https://twitter.com/spaikin/status/870462389027835905) As does CP. (https://twitter.com/allisonjones_cp/status/870463587021619201)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 01, 2017, 09:43:40 PM
Sad! The NDP has a fairly low ceiling, clearly. Would've needed the Liberals to do a bit better to bring the Tories down.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: adma on June 01, 2017, 10:11:06 PM
Sad! The NDP has a fairly low ceiling, clearly. Would've needed the Liberals to do a bit better to bring the Tories down.

Not really.  More that voters chose to "back a winner" (i.e. the presumption that the PCs will win the next election.

Worth noting that this is the first time the provincial PCs have won a seat beyond Nipissing in 30 years.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: Pragmatic Conservative on June 01, 2017, 10:41:41 PM
Final results Sault Ste Marie

Ross Romano PC 10,391 40.30% (+27.91%)
Joe Krmpotich NDP 8535 33.10% (+7.63%)
Debbie Amarosa Liberal 5919 22.96% (-35.57)
Kara Flannigan Green 512 1.99% (-1.24%)
Above Znoneofthe None of the above party 310 1.20%
Gene Balfour Libertarian  71 0.28% (-0.10%)
John Turmel Pauper 47 0.18%

Turnout 43.93%
https://www3.elections.on.ca/RealTimeResults/ElectoralDistrict/en


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on June 01, 2017, 11:33:39 PM
LOL Grits are screwed next year.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 02, 2017, 06:07:09 AM
Sad! The NDP has a fairly low ceiling, clearly. Would've needed the Liberals to do a bit better to bring the Tories down.

Not really.  More that voters chose to "back a winner" (i.e. the presumption that the PCs will win the next election.


Right, but the NDP has rarely ever hit 40% in this riding. There is definitely a ceiling.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: lilTommy on June 02, 2017, 06:15:32 AM
Sad! The NDP has a fairly low ceiling, clearly. Would've needed the Liberals to do a bit better to bring the Tories down.

Not really.  More that voters chose to "back a winner" (i.e. the presumption that the PCs will win the next election.

Worth noting that this is the first time the provincial PCs have won a seat beyond Nipissing in 30 years.

The NDP has won upwards of 43-49% of the vote here (1999 they won 43%, in 87 it was 49%), and they did see a swing of almost 8% but I agree I think it has more to do with a general PC swing across the province. Its the OLP who dropped from 58% to 23% here that have to worry. With Scarborough and now SSM losses.
I think the NDP does have to worry a little though, the North is somewhat "their" territory, continues to be their best polled area... they don't want to lose to the PCs in the Liberal ridings. But then again this is SSM so.

The PCs won Cochrane South in 1987, so like exactly 30 years


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 02, 2017, 07:29:19 AM
Sure, the NDP has cracked 40% before, but that was with Tony Martin on the ballot, and his popularity began to wane in the 2000s. I don't think the NDP can get to those numbers any more in the Soo.

One thing to keep in mind about Northern Ontario is that the cities are actually far more right wing than the rural areas (at least economically), so while the NDP can win in areas like Kenora, Algoma, Nickel Belt, Timiskaming and Cochrane, it will have trouble in Sudbury, the Soo and Thunder Bay. There is a base in those cities, but they can only win with the right vote splits.

One of the key issues the NDP will have to deal with is bridging the populist North with the bobo ridings in southern Ontario, something they are now having trouble with. Jack Layton was able to do it, but Horwath and Mulcair could not.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: lilTommy on June 02, 2017, 08:03:57 AM
Sure, the NDP has cracked 40% before, but that was with Tony Martin on the ballot, and his popularity began to wane in the 2000s. I don't think the NDP can get to those numbers any more in the Soo.

One thing to keep in mind about Northern Ontario is that the cities are actually far more right wing than the rural areas (at least economically), so while the NDP can win in areas like Kenora, Algoma, Nickel Belt, Timiskaming and Cochrane, it will have trouble in Sudbury, the Soo and Thunder Bay. There is a base in those cities, but they can only win with the right vote splits.

One of the key issues the NDP will have to deal with is bridging the populist North with the bobo ridings in southern Ontario, something they are now having trouble with. Jack Layton was able to do it, but Horwath and Mulcair could not.

Oh Agreed, Candidate is also important here which I think was talked about, I'm not fully versed on Krmpotich other then he was a councillor a union steel guy. Wasn't enough with the PCs riding high and the Liberals still holding 20+%

Its true, cities tend to be more right-wing (due to being the regional centres where you find more wealth, professionals, etc) the NDP did manage to squeak a win in Sudbury in 2014... only to lose it with a mess of a candidate who stepped down. The split happened, just benefited the PCs this time more so. Krmpotich already mentioned there may be a re-match...



Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 02, 2017, 08:28:57 AM
Speaking of candidate strengths, I'm not sure how much this was discussed,  but Krmpotich and Romano both represented the same ward on city council, so they have "run against" each other in the past, even though it was a 2 person seat. The 2014 result was:

Krmpotich: 2085
Romano: 1643
Losing candidates: 2681

Krmpotich was one of the incumbents, while Romano wasn't, which may have helped him.

It will be interesting to see who won their ward last night. Looking at the 2008 and 2011 federal poll maps, it looks like the ward (which covers the west part of the city) is pretty evenly split between NDP supporters and Tories.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: DL on June 02, 2017, 09:41:19 AM
Let's not lose sight of the elephant in the room. In 2014 Sault Ste. Marie was the second safest Ontario Liberal seat in the entire province! They took 59% of the vote there. Their vote crashed by 36 points to just 23% - if that swing were replicated across the province the Liberals would be reduced to just one seat!

Final results Sault Ste Marie

Ross Romano PC 10,391 40.30% (+27.91%)
Joe Krmpotich NDP 8535 33.10% (+7.63%)
Debbie Amarosa Liberal 5919 22.96% (-35.57)
Kara Flannigan Green 512 1.99% (-1.24%)
Above Znoneofthe None of the above party 310 1.20%
Gene Balfour Libertarian  71 0.28% (-0.10%)
John Turmel Pauper 47 0.18%

Turnout 43.93%
https://www3.elections.on.ca/RealTimeResults/ElectoralDistrict/en



Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 02, 2017, 09:51:21 AM
In related news, Romano will resign his council seat on the 12th. (http://www.saultstar.com/2017/06/02/council-will-determine-how-to-fill-seat-at-june-12-meeting)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 02, 2017, 01:34:58 PM
Let's not lose sight of the elephant in the room. In 2014 Sault Ste. Marie was the second safest Ontario Liberal seat in the entire province! They took 59% of the vote there. Their vote crashed by 36 points to just 23% - if that swing were replicated across the province the Liberals would be reduced to just one seat!

Final results Sault Ste Marie

Ross Romano PC 10,391 40.30% (+27.91%)
Joe Krmpotich NDP 8535 33.10% (+7.63%)
Debbie Amarosa Liberal 5919 22.96% (-35.57)
Kara Flannigan Green 512 1.99% (-1.24%)
Above Znoneofthe None of the above party 310 1.20%
Gene Balfour Libertarian  71 0.28% (-0.10%)
John Turmel Pauper 47 0.18%

Turnout 43.93%
https://www3.elections.on.ca/RealTimeResults/ElectoralDistrict/en


Irrelevant spin. I've stated numerous times that Sault Ste. Marie is a very different riding from the rest of the province, and therefore that ~32% swing will not be replicated across the province.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: DC Al Fine on June 02, 2017, 03:16:11 PM
Let's not lose sight of the elephant in the room. In 2014 Sault Ste. Marie was the second safest Ontario Liberal seat in the entire province! They took 59% of the vote there. Their vote crashed by 36 points to just 23% - if that swing were replicated across the province the Liberals would be reduced to just one seat!

Final results Sault Ste Marie

Ross Romano PC 10,391 40.30% (+27.91%)
Joe Krmpotich NDP 8535 33.10% (+7.63%)
Debbie Amarosa Liberal 5919 22.96% (-35.57)
Kara Flannigan Green 512 1.99% (-1.24%)
Above Znoneofthe None of the above party 310 1.20%
Gene Balfour Libertarian  71 0.28% (-0.10%)
John Turmel Pauper 47 0.18%

Turnout 43.93%
https://www3.elections.on.ca/RealTimeResults/ElectoralDistrict/en


Irrelevant spin. I've stated numerous times that Sault Ste. Marie is a very different riding from the rest of the province, and therefore that ~32% swing will not be replicated across the province.

It's a byelection. This happens all the time and pundits still don't learn. The government party​ loses 20% plus in a byelection, we get all these predictions of doom, but the when the general election comes around, the swing is almost always more pedestrian.

I don't like the OLP and think they're doomed to lose but even a 20% is kind of unlikely, much less 36%.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Point Douglas, MB prov.: June 13)
Post by: DL on June 02, 2017, 03:45:57 PM
Of coourse i don't seriously expect the Ontario Liberals to drop 36 points across the province and lose two thirds of their support from the last election...but its still a pretty serious rebuke to come in such a distant third in a seat that was previously won by such a huge margin. This will fuel sentiments inside the OLP that Wynne is toxic and needs to be replaced.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Point Douglas, MB prov.: June 13)
Post by: toaster on June 02, 2017, 07:59:43 PM
Patrick Brown sure is showing that he is a contender.  However, some of the reaction is quite hyper-sensationalist, making it seem like this PC win would be akin to a  Toronto-Danforth, or other leftist riding, win.  This was a seat that went Conservative federally, was on the PCs radar.  Sault Ste Marie has had 3 way splits for some time.  It is not that shocking that the PCs won.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Point Douglas, MB prov.: June 13)
Post by: adma on June 02, 2017, 11:17:31 PM
Patrick Brown sure is showing that he is a contender.  However, some of the reaction is quite hyper-sensationalist, making it seem like this PC win would be akin to a  Toronto-Danforth, or other leftist riding, win.  This was a seat that went Conservative federally, was on the PCs radar.  Sault Ste Marie has had 3 way splits for some time.  It is not that shocking that the PCs won.

And lest we forget, it was the top riding in Ontario for the Confederation of Regions in 1990.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: adma on June 02, 2017, 11:31:15 PM
One thing to keep in mind about Northern Ontario is that the cities are actually far more right wing than the rural areas (at least economically), so while the NDP can win in areas like Kenora, Algoma, Nickel Belt, Timiskaming and Cochrane, it will have trouble in Sudbury, the Soo and Thunder Bay. There is a base in those cities, but they can only win with the right vote splits.

One of the key issues the NDP will have to deal with is bridging the populist North with the bobo ridings in southern Ontario, something they are now having trouble with. Jack Layton was able to do it, but Horwath and Mulcair could not.

Citywise, don't forget Timmins--though there, the "bourgeois tendencies" have tended to be counteracted by the rest of whatever riding it's in.

And speaking of Timmins, federal NDP leadership contender Charlie Angus practically personifies the populist North/bobo South bridge idea.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Point Douglas, MB prov.: June 13)
Post by: King of Kensington on June 02, 2017, 11:40:48 PM
Sault Ste. Marie is the kind of place that would have swung to Trump big time if it were in the US.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Sault Ste. Marie, ON prov.: June 1)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 03, 2017, 07:51:39 AM
One thing to keep in mind about Northern Ontario is that the cities are actually far more right wing than the rural areas (at least economically), so while the NDP can win in areas like Kenora, Algoma, Nickel Belt, Timiskaming and Cochrane, it will have trouble in Sudbury, the Soo and Thunder Bay. There is a base in those cities, but they can only win with the right vote splits.

One of the key issues the NDP will have to deal with is bridging the populist North with the bobo ridings in southern Ontario, something they are now having trouble with. Jack Layton was able to do it, but Horwath and Mulcair could not.

Citywise, don't forget Timmins--though there, the "bourgeois tendencies" have tended to be counteracted by the rest of whatever riding it's in.

And speaking of Timmins, federal NDP leadership contender Charlie Angus practically personifies the populist North/bobo South bridge idea.

Timmins is another good example for sure. And good point about Angus, which is why he'd be a pretty good leader (if he improves his French).

Sault Ste. Marie is the kind of place that would have swung to Trump big time if it were in the US.

What??? If anything the more rural NDP ridings in the north would be more likely to swing to Trump.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Point Douglas, MB prov.: June 13)
Post by: King of Kensington on June 03, 2017, 01:15:34 PM
Not as shocking a proposition as you think.  Working class city with large Italian population.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Point Douglas, MB prov.: June 13)
Post by: adma on June 03, 2017, 05:21:42 PM
Just because Soo's a city doesn't mean it's a *city* city.  It's more the size of Muncie than Indianapolis, after all.  (And it's not really a "college town", Algoma notwithstanding.)

For the record: across the river, Chippewa County went 59.1 Trump vs 34.8 Clinton.  (In 2012, 53.2 Romney, 45.6 Obama.  In 2008, 49.5 McCain, 49.0 Obama.)


Title: Re: Canadian by
Post by: Krago on June 12, 2017, 11:37:00 AM
Quick-and-dirty Sault Ste. Marie by-election results map:

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vs. 2014 General Election results map:

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Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Point Douglas, MB prov.: June 13)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 12, 2017, 02:36:46 PM
further evidence that most of the vote switching in the Soo is anti-NDP. Reliably NDP west end went NDP, while the normally Liberal east end went Tory. 

Interestingly, the far west end (Ward 6) went PC. That's the ward that both the NDP and PC candidate represented on council.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Point Douglas, MB prov.: June 13)
Post by: 136or142 on June 12, 2017, 03:04:40 PM
further evidence that most of the vote switching in the Soo is anti-NDP. Reliably NDP west end went NDP, while the normally Liberal east end went Tory. 

Interestingly, the far west end (Ward 6) went PC. That's the ward that both the NDP and PC candidate represented on council.

Soo what?  :D (sorry)

Any thoughts aboot the Point Douglas by-election?


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Point Douglas, MB prov.: June 13)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 12, 2017, 03:34:50 PM
further evidence that most of the vote switching in the Soo is anti-NDP. Reliably NDP west end went NDP, while the normally Liberal east end went Tory. 

Interestingly, the far west end (Ward 6) went PC. That's the ward that both the NDP and PC candidate represented on council.

Soo what?  :D (sorry)

Any thoughts aboot the Point Douglas by-election?

I may or may not do a write up on it tomorrow.  But, it should be an easy NDP hold. Potentially a future Liberal target in the distant future, but they're too much in disarray on the provincial level.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Point Douglas, MB prov.: June 13)
Post by: 136or142 on June 12, 2017, 03:46:29 PM
further evidence that most of the vote switching in the Soo is anti-NDP. Reliably NDP west end went NDP, while the normally Liberal east end went Tory. 

Interestingly, the far west end (Ward 6) went PC. That's the ward that both the NDP and PC candidate represented on council.

Soo what?  :D (sorry)

Any thoughts aboot the Point Douglas by-election?

I may or may not do a write up on it tomorrow.  But, it should be an easy NDP hold. Potentially a future Liberal target in the distant future, but they're too much in disarray on the provincial level.

Thanks.

I liked my joke about the Soo. I'm sure nobody has ever come up with that before!  :D


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Point Douglas, MB prov.: June 13)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 12, 2017, 04:59:36 PM
further evidence that most of the vote switching in the Soo is anti-NDP. Reliably NDP west end went NDP, while the normally Liberal east end went Tory. 

Interestingly, the far west end (Ward 6) went PC. That's the ward that both the NDP and PC candidate represented on council.

Soo what?  :D (sorry)

Any thoughts aboot the Point Douglas by-election?

I may or may not do a write up on it tomorrow.  But, it should be an easy NDP hold. Potentially a future Liberal target in the distant future, but they're too much in disarray on the provincial level.

Thanks.

I liked my joke about the Soo. I'm sure nobody has ever come up with that before!  :D

oh wow, I hadn't even noticed!


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Point Douglas, MB prov.: June 13)
Post by: Krago on June 12, 2017, 05:11:18 PM
further evidence that most of the vote switching in the Soo is anti-NDP. Reliably NDP west end went NDP, while the normally Liberal east end went Tory. 

Interestingly, the far west end (Ward 6) went PC. That's the ward that both the NDP and PC candidate represented on council.

Soo what?  :D (sorry)

Any thoughts aboot the Point Douglas by-election?

I may or may not do a write up on it tomorrow.  But, it should be an easy NDP hold. Potentially a future Liberal target in the distant future, but they're too much in disarray on the provincial level.

Thanks.

I liked my joke about the Soo. I'm sure nobody has ever come up with that before!  :D

oh wow, I hadn't even noticed!

Can't wait for your take on the 'Poe Lock'.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Point Douglas, MB prov.: June 13)
Post by: 136or142 on June 12, 2017, 07:30:25 PM
further evidence that most of the vote switching in the Soo is anti-NDP. Reliably NDP west end went NDP, while the normally Liberal east end went Tory. 

Interestingly, the far west end (Ward 6) went PC. That's the ward that both the NDP and PC candidate represented on council.

Soo what?  :D (sorry)

Any thoughts aboot the Point Douglas by-election?

I may or may not do a write up on it tomorrow.  But, it should be an easy NDP hold. Potentially a future Liberal target in the distant future, but they're too much in disarray on the provincial level.

Thanks.

I liked my joke about the Soo. I'm sure nobody has ever come up with that before!  :D

oh wow, I hadn't even noticed!

Can't wait for your take on the 'Poe Lock'.

I have none.  What is the Poe Lock?


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Point Douglas, MB prov.: June 13)
Post by: adma on June 12, 2017, 09:18:55 PM
I have none.  What is the Poe Lock?

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(hey, I have personal ethnic licence ;-) )

As for the Soo, the far west is rural-dominated, right?


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Point Douglas, MB prov.: June 13)
Post by: Krago on June 12, 2017, 10:21:35 PM
I have none.  What is the Poe Lock?

()

(hey, I have personal ethnic licence ;-) )

As for the Soo, the far west is rural-dominated, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soo_Locks


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Point Douglas, MB prov.: June 13)
Post by: 136or142 on June 13, 2017, 12:46:04 AM
I have none.  What is the Poe Lock?

()

(hey, I have personal ethnic licence ;-) )

As for the Soo, the far west is rural-dominated, right?

Poor Meathead.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Point Douglas, MB prov.: June 13)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 13, 2017, 08:21:09 AM
I have none.  What is the Poe Lock?

()

(hey, I have personal ethnic licence ;-) )

As for the Soo, the far west is rural-dominated, right?

You guys are dating yourselves with these All in the Family references!

Anyways, geographically the far west is 'dominated' by a lot of farms, but I'd imagine most of the population is urban.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Point Douglas, MB prov.: June 13)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 13, 2017, 02:49:49 PM
So I did get some time today to do a write up on my blog :)

http://canadianelectionatlas.blogspot.ca/2017/06/point-douglas-by-election-preview.html


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Point Douglas, MB prov.: June 13)
Post by: 136or142 on June 13, 2017, 03:24:39 PM
So I did get some time today to do a write up on my blog :)

http://canadianelectionatlas.blogspot.ca/2017/06/point-douglas-by-election-preview.html

Thanks!

The name of the B.C 'caretaker' health minister is Mary Polak.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Point Douglas, MB prov.: June 13)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 13, 2017, 03:49:04 PM
Is this the kind of thing people would be interested in me doing more of in the future?

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Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Point Douglas, MB prov.: June 13)
Post by: trebor204 on June 13, 2017, 08:26:12 PM
Point Douglas
2 Polls


NDP 56
LIB 24
PC 18
MP 4
Green 3
COmm 1


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Point Douglas, MB prov.: June 13)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 13, 2017, 08:36:09 PM
Even with just a few polls in, it's obvious the NDP has won it. Looking at a worse result than in 2016 though, but still too early to determine.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Point Douglas, MB prov.: June 13)
Post by: trebor204 on June 13, 2017, 08:48:07 PM
After 15/47 Polls, NDP at 48%, LIB 26%, PC 15%



Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Point Douglas, MB prov.: June 13)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 13, 2017, 08:51:53 PM
Looks like they probably won't break 50% :( Not a good result.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Point Douglas, MB prov.: June 13)
Post by: trebor204 on June 13, 2017, 08:56:56 PM
CBC calls Point DOuglas to NDP, NDP now at 46% (23/47 Polls)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Point Douglas, MB prov.: June 13)
Post by: trebor204 on June 13, 2017, 09:24:03 PM
After 37/47 Polls

NDP 43.6%
LIN 30.2%
PC 15.5%

Turnout looks to be under 30%




Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Point Douglas, MB prov.: June 13)
Post by: 136or142 on June 13, 2017, 09:31:36 PM
Is this the kind of thing people would be interested in me doing more of in the future?

No! Don't EVER do it again.  :D (Just kidding)

Yes, thanks.  It's quite helpful.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Point Douglas, MB prov.: June 13)
Post by: trebor204 on June 13, 2017, 10:21:06 PM
I've been keeping a running tally, as each poll report. (Finding the gain in votes for each party as each poll came in)
It looks like the Liberals manage to win at least 5 polls, most likely a few more since there in cases where I received more than 1 polls at time.
It look like the PCs manage to win one poll. (Most likely the one they won in the last election, in South Point Douglas)
In one poll there was almost a three way tie (PC and LIB 24 votes, NDP 23 votes)

Latest Results: 46/47 Polls

NDP 1,282 (41.9%)
LIB 943 (30.8%)
PC 504 (16.4%)
Manitoba 173 (5.6%)
Green130 (4.2%)
Comm. 26 (0.8%)

Turnout at 28.6%


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Point Douglas, MB prov.: June 13)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 13, 2017, 10:30:25 PM
Well, it will make for a more interesting map.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Point Douglas, MB prov.: June 13)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 13, 2017, 10:40:58 PM
With all polls reporting:

NDP: 44.3% (-13.5)
Lib: 29.1% (+9.6)
PC: 16.2% (-0.3)
MP: 5.2%
Grn: 4.2% (-0.8)
Comm: 0.8% (-0.3)

Turnout: 32.3% (-10.2)

2 party avg. swing: 11.5% NDP to Liberal


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Point Douglas, MB prov.: June 13)
Post by: trebor204 on June 13, 2017, 10:41:38 PM
Final Poll is in (most likely the advance poll, with 401 votes, NDP got 62.8% in that poll)

NDP 1,534 (44.3%)
LIB 1,006 (29.1%)
PC 562 (16.2%)
MB 181 (5.2%)
Green 147 (4.2%)
Comm 29 (.8%)

Turnout: 32.38 Votes.

http://www.electionsmanitoba.ca/en/Results/ResultByElection/PointDouglas




Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Point Douglas, MB prov.: June 13)
Post by: adma on June 14, 2017, 05:24:26 AM
You guys are dating yourselves with these All in the Family references!

Given that the alternative is the vapid airheaded Game of Thrones talk in the 2017 French Legislative Elections thread, gladly so. ;-)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Nanaimo, BC mun. council: July 8)
Post by: 136or142 on June 15, 2017, 06:27:27 PM
What is the Nanaimo municipal council election for?  We're well more than half way through the 4 year mandate of councils, so I understand they don't have to hold a by-election.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Nanaimo, BC mun. council: July 8)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 16, 2017, 08:29:43 AM
What is the Nanaimo municipal council election for?  We're well more than half way through the 4 year mandate of councils, so I understand they don't have to hold a by-election.

City council. Cllr Wendy Pratt resigned in April in connection to some sort of scandal involving the city council.

We're more than a year away from the next municipal elections, so I fully support them having a by-election.

There are 13 candidates running.  Profiles: https://www.ournanaimo.com/index.php/candidate-bios/



Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Nanaimo, BC mun. council: July 8)
Post by: trebor204 on June 17, 2017, 09:43:50 AM

Point Douglas - Votes by Voting Area:

http://www.electionsmanitoba.ca/en/Results/ResultsByVA/131

CBC Story:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-point-douglas-byelection-map-1.4164541


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Nanaimo, BC mun. council: July 8)
Post by: 136or142 on June 17, 2017, 06:02:38 PM
What is the Nanaimo municipal council election for?  We're well more than half way through the 4 year mandate of councils, so I understand they don't have to hold a by-election.

City council. Cllr Wendy Pratt resigned in April in connection to some sort of scandal involving the city council.

We're more than a year away from the next municipal elections, so I fully support them having a by-election.

There are 13 candidates running.  Profiles: https://www.ournanaimo.com/index.php/candidate-bios/



Thanks!


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Nanaimo, BC mun. council: July 8)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 18, 2017, 10:23:22 AM

Point Douglas - Votes by Voting Area:

http://www.electionsmanitoba.ca/en/Results/ResultsByVA/131

CBC Story:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-point-douglas-byelection-map-1.4164541


Looks like the Filipino areas voted Liberal, while the Aboriginal areas voted NDP. No surprise, really.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Nanaimo, BC mun. council: July 8)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 18, 2017, 11:22:30 AM
Also, it looks like there is more of a correlation with the 2015 federal election result than the 2016 provincial election. The NDP's best areas were North Point Douglas and Lord Selkirk Park, just like in the federal election. Meanwhile, their best poll from 2016 went Liberal!


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Nanaimo, BC mun. council: July 8)
Post by: MaxQue on June 18, 2017, 10:48:31 PM
The Conservative federal MP, Denis Lebel, will retire this summer.  By-election to come in Lac-Saint-Jean.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201706/18/01-5108772-denis-lebel-tire-sa-reverence.php


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Nanaimo, BC mun. council: July 8)
Post by: Pragmatic Conservative on June 18, 2017, 11:30:01 PM
The Conservative federal MP, Denis Lebel, will retire this summer.  By-election to come in Lac-Saint-Jean.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201706/18/01-5108772-denis-lebel-tire-sa-reverence.php
With the NDP way down in Quebec, liberals may have a chance for a pickup.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Nanaimo, BC mun. council: July 8)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 19, 2017, 09:18:39 AM
The Conservative federal MP, Denis Lebel, will retire this summer.  By-election to come in Lac-Saint-Jean.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201706/18/01-5108772-denis-lebel-tire-sa-reverence.php
With the NDP way down in Quebec, liberals may have a chance for a pickup.

Tough call at this point. It's very pro-sovereignty area of the province, but it is also a riding that is not that committed to voting for pro-sovereignty parties.

- The Liberals have not won it since 1980, but a lot of ridings in Quebec had the distinction before 2015. Provincially, they hold the western half of the riding (Roberval), but that's only because it's the Premier's seat.
- This isn't exactly a traditional Conservative seat. They did do well in 2006, which helped them pick the seat up in a by-election in 2007. Provincially though, the CAQ/ADQ has no history in this part of Quebec.
- This could've been an NDP target once upon a time. The 2015 redistribution added Alma to the district, which was swept by the NDP in 2011 (and again in 2015!).
- The eastern half of this riding has been represented by the PQ since 1976.




Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Nanaimo, BC mun. council: July 8)
Post by: lilTommy on June 19, 2017, 10:08:05 AM
The Conservative federal MP, Denis Lebel, will retire this summer.  By-election to come in Lac-Saint-Jean.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201706/18/01-5108772-denis-lebel-tire-sa-reverence.php
With the NDP way down in Quebec, liberals may have a chance for a pickup.

Tough call at this point. It's very pro-sovereignty area of the province, but it is also a riding that is not that committed to voting for pro-sovereignty parties.

- The Liberals have not won it since 1980, but a lot of ridings in Quebec had the distinction before 2015. Provincially, they hold the western half of the riding (Roberval), but that's only because it's the Premier's seat.
- This isn't exactly a traditional Conservative seat. They did do well in 2006, which helped them pick the seat up in a by-election in 2007. Provincially though, the CAQ/ADQ has no history in this part of Quebec.
- This could've been an NDP target once upon a time. The 2015 redistribution added Alma to the district, which was swept by the NDP in 2011 (and again in 2015!).
- The eastern half of this riding has been represented by the PQ since 1976.




The NDP still came in second with 28% vs Label's 33%; even then with the Liberal victory in 2015 they were 4th; I would think that the CPC, BQ, and NDP will want this seat and all three could have a shot. 
Polling is all over the place, two polls out have the NDP at 11%, the other at 20%... so the party is best to just ignore the polls and go after the seat, I think with a leadership race on, all 5 candidates showing up to help campaign can build more media cover for the NDP. I think the CPC or BQ would have to be favourites, but the NDP can be in this race I think.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Nanaimo, BC mun. council: July 8)
Post by: 136or142 on June 19, 2017, 12:29:06 PM
Of the 26 senior ministers in the final Stephen Harper cabinet, with Denis Lebel leaving, only 11 will still be in the House of Commons.

Four did not run in the last election, seven were defeated and now four have retired/will be retiring.

These are the ones left:
1.Ed Fast
2.Gerry Ritz
3.Tony Clement
4.Lisa Raitt
5.Kellie Leitch
6.Rob Nicholson
7.Pierre Polievre
8.Erin O'Toole
9.Peter Van Loan
10.Diane Finley
11.Steven Blaney


There are also at least three M.Ps who are still in the Commons who were not part of the final senior cabinet: Peter Kent, Michael Chong and Maxime Bernier.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Nanaimo, BC mun. council: July 8)
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 20, 2017, 06:49:52 AM
Hébert: Couillard wants Lebel to run for him, status TBD.  (https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/06/19/departure-of-former-conservative-minister-denis-lebel-sets-up-intriguing-quebec-byelection-hbert.html) By-election will be a 4-way race, presumably around the time Dippers choose a new leader.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Nanaimo, BC mun. council: July 8)
Post by: Krago on June 20, 2017, 07:02:04 AM
The Conservative federal MP, Denis Lebel, will retire this summer.  By-election to come in Lac-Saint-Jean.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201706/18/01-5108772-denis-lebel-tire-sa-reverence.php
With the NDP way down in Quebec, liberals may have a chance for a pickup.

Tough call at this point. It's very pro-sovereignty area of the province, but it is also a riding that is not that committed to voting for pro-sovereignty parties.

- The Liberals have not won it since 1980, but a lot of ridings in Quebec had the distinction before 2015. Provincially, they hold the western half of the riding (Roberval), but that's only because it's the Premier's seat.
- This isn't exactly a traditional Conservative seat. They did do well in 2006, which helped them pick the seat up in a by-election in 2007. Provincially though, the CAQ/ADQ has no history in this part of Quebec.
- This could've been an NDP target once upon a time. The 2015 redistribution added Alma to the district, which was swept by the NDP in 2011 (and again in 2015!).
- The eastern half of this riding has been represented by the PQ since 1976.




The NDP still came in second with 28% vs Label's 33%; even then with the Liberal victory in 2015 they were 4th; I would think that the CPC, BQ, and NDP will want this seat and all three could have a shot. 
Polling is all over the place, two polls out have the NDP at 11%, the other at 20%... so the party is best to just ignore the polls and go after the seat, I think with a leadership race on, all 5 candidates showing up to help campaign can build more media cover for the NDP. I think the CPC or BQ would have to be favourites, but the NDP can be in this race I think.

The Liberals finished third in Lac-Saint-Jean in 2015.

CandidatePartyOccupationVotesVotes (%)
LEBEL, DenisCparliamentarian 
18,393 
33.27% 
DALLAIRE, GisèleN.D.P.industrial psychologist 
15,735 
28.46% 
SIMARD, SabinLibconsultant 
10,193 
18.44% 
GAUDREAULT, SabinB.Q.retired 
10,152 
18.37% 
REQUILÉ, LaurenceG.P.florist 
806 
1.46% 


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Nanaimo, BC mun. council: July 8)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 20, 2017, 07:54:55 AM
Hébert: Couillard wants Lebel to run for him, status TBD.  (https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/06/19/departure-of-former-conservative-minister-denis-lebel-sets-up-intriguing-quebec-byelection-hbert.html) By-election will be a 4-way race, presumably around the time Dippers choose a new leader.

Lebel would have a hard time winning for the PLQ in Lac-Saint-Jean, and he can't run in Roberval, as that's Couillard's seat. He'd be given a safe seat somewhere.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Nanaimo, BC mun. council: July 8)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 20, 2017, 01:56:34 PM
I did a post mortem analysis of the Point Douglas by-election, if anyone is interested: http://canadianelectionatlas.blogspot.ca/2017/06/point-doulgas-by-election-post-mortem.html


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Nanaimo, BC mun. council: July 8)
Post by: the506 on June 21, 2017, 01:21:10 PM
Saskatoon-Fairview Sask Party MLA Jennifer Campeau is stepping down. Could be another NDP gain.

http://www.leaderpost.com/saskatoon+jennifer+campeau+steps+down/13463711/story.html


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Nanaimo, BC mun. council: July 8)
Post by: lilTommy on June 21, 2017, 02:21:56 PM
Saskatoon-Fairview Sask Party MLA Jennifer Campeau is stepping down. Could be another NDP gain.

http://www.leaderpost.com/saskatoon+jennifer+campeau+steps+down/13463711/story.html

At this point, almost any urban by-election (ok, ANY seat) the NDP will target. With the NDP gaining strength province wide they are going to be all over this riding. Polling looks a little scattered:
http://thestarphoenix.com/news/saskatchewan/right-now-its-anybodys-ball-game-sask-party-popularity-fading-ndp-surging-polls-show

Angus Reid: SP 48%, NDP 40%
Mainstreet: NDP 49% SP 40%
But, both polls have the NDP leading in Saskatoon so, again, I think candidates will seal the seat for either the SP of NDP, but lean-NDP on this one (just based on provincial polling)
I'm sure Wall is overjoyed by this :P


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Nanaimo, BC mun. council: July 8)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 21, 2017, 04:06:36 PM
Campeau won the seat by just 3 points last time, it is an easy NDP pick up.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Nanaimo, BC mun. council: July 8)
Post by: Jeppe on June 22, 2017, 10:24:07 AM
Yeah, we'll probably see a landslide 20-30 point win for the NDP. It was one of the Sask Party's most vulnerable seats in the last general election, back when they were trouncing the NDP by 30 points.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Nanaimo, BC mun. council: July 8)
Post by: RogueBeaver on June 26, 2017, 04:43:49 PM
Outremont: Mulcair might resign after his successor is elected. Easy Grit gain, needless to say. (https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/06/26/parliaments-in-summer-mode-but-political-machinations-go-on-hbert.html)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Nanaimo, BC mun. council: July 8)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 26, 2017, 05:30:09 PM
Outremont: Mulcair might resign after his successor is elected. Easy Grit gain, needless to say. (https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/06/26/parliaments-in-summer-mode-but-political-machinations-go-on-hbert.html)

While I don't doubt the Liberals would be heavily favoured, the NDP will really try to target the seat. Don't forget, even before Mulcair was elected it was the NDP's best riding in Quebec. I'd wait to see where the polls are when the time comes before making any brash predictions.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Nanaimo, BC mun. council: July 8)
Post by: RogueBeaver on July 07, 2017, 02:15:18 PM
Toronto: Pam McConnell has died.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Nanaimo, BC mun. council: July 8)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on July 07, 2017, 02:30:46 PM

I think we're beyond the point where they will hold a by-election, they will just appoint someone.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Nanaimo, BC mun. council: July 8)
Post by: Poirot on July 08, 2017, 05:57:26 PM
The Conservative federal MP, Denis Lebel, will retire this summer.  By-election to come in Lac-Saint-Jean.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201706/18/01-5108772-denis-lebel-tire-sa-reverence.php
With the NDP way down in Quebec, liberals may have a chance for a pickup.

If the number of people interested in running for the Liberals in the future Lac-Saint-Jean byelection is an indication, a pickup seems possible. Richard Hébert, the mayor of Dolbeau-Mistassini was contacted by the party a few months ago. He will consult the population during the summer. He is supported by business people from his town and elected officials from Alma area.

The mayor of Desbiens is interested to run. An ex-leader of Mashteuiatsh reserve is also thinking of running. The mayor of Roberval was interested but chose to run again for mayor, the municipal elections are in November.

http://www.lapresse.ca/le-quotidien/actualites/201706/28/01-5111677-deux-maires-du-lac-interesses-par-le-parti-liberal.php (http://www.lapresse.ca/le-quotidien/actualites/201706/28/01-5111677-deux-maires-du-lac-interesses-par-le-parti-liberal.php)

The mayor of Desbiens stated opportunities are in power, not in opposition, that running in a byelection is an advantage because people vote for the candidate that will be in power.

This could be what will happen, not sure if there is anger at the government in the area, for regional economic development it's good to be on the government side.

Denis Lebel probably got a big personal vote for the job he had done. He received double the vote of conservative candidates in the other two ridings in the region, Jonquière and Chicoutimi- Le Fjord (16-17%). The Liberals had 28% and 31% in those two.

The candidates are not known yet but the Liberals have a chance. They seem to be polling double of any other party. The NDP came a close second but polling below last election in the province. The Conservative and NDP will be lead by not well known leaders.       


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Nanaimo, BC mun. council: July 8)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on July 09, 2017, 10:40:07 PM
Hmm, I wonder how much of that 2007 by-election win was a result of the Conservatives having just come to power? Could bode well for the Liberals, if the area does truly want to go for whoever is in the government.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Nanaimo, BC mun. council: July 8)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on July 10, 2017, 08:53:03 AM
Because I know you guys care very much, here are the results of the Nanaimo by-election

Sheryl Armstrong: 3,611 (48.9%)
Sacia Burton: 858 (11.6%)
All others: 2,921 (39.5%)

Turnout: 11.0%

Armstrong is a former RCMP officer.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kamloops, BC mayor: Sept 30)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on July 13, 2017, 04:32:14 PM
Geoff Meggs, VV councillor in Vancouver was appointed as Horgan's Chief of Staff on Tuesday. There will be a by-election in October. Because there are no wards, it will be a city-wide race, so it might be seen as a referendum on the current administration.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kamloops, BC mayor: Sept 30)
Post by: Jeppe on July 13, 2017, 04:39:08 PM
If Ralph Goodale was nominated as the next Lieutenant Governor of Saskatchewan, which party would win the by-election? Would the Liberals lose their only seat in the province or would they manage to hold on? A lot of provincial NDP voters in the riding would probably revert back to voting for the federal party once Goodale is gone.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kamloops, BC mayor: Sept 30)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on July 13, 2017, 04:47:28 PM
If Ralph Goodale was nominated as the next Lieutenant Governor of Saskatchewan, which party would win the by-election? Would the Liberals lose their only seat in the province or would they manage to hold on? A lot of provincial NDP voters in the riding would probably revert back to voting for the federal party once Goodale is gone.

Is there speculation of this?

Back before Trudeau, I think the conventional wisdom was that it would become an NDP seat, but I think right now the Liberals would probably win it.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kamloops, BC mayor: Sept 30)
Post by: Poirot on July 19, 2017, 09:55:58 PM
Mainstreet research poll of Saskatchewan in mid-May had a federal question. In Regina the Liberal party has a 12 point lead

http://www.mainstreetresearch.ca/sk-party-fades-as-ndp-takes-9-point-lead/ (http://www.mainstreetresearch.ca/sk-party-fades-as-ndp-takes-9-point-lead/)

Since then Andrew Scheer became Conservative leader. There could be some local boost effect. Also it's regional number from one poll.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kamloops, BC mayor: Sept 30)
Post by: trebor204 on July 19, 2017, 11:19:55 PM
By-Election of Note:

Ritchot (RM South of Winnipeg) By-Election was held tonight. The by-elections were held after Mayor Jackie Hunt and two councillors, Jeannot Robert and Ron Mamchuk, resigned. This after allegations two other councillors, Ernie Dumaine and Corrine Webb, verbally attacked the mayor at a meeting over an outdoor hockey rink. All 5 members ran to reclaim their seat:

Results:
Mayor: Chris Ewen, turnout 39%
Ward 1: Shane Pelletier, turnout 49%
Ward 2: Ron Mamchuk (re-elected), turnout 51%
Ward 3: Jeannot Robert (acclaimed)
Ward 4: Janine Boulanger, turnout 31%

http://www.ritchot.com/main.aspx?CategoryCode=BE0B3259-5572-4DEA-9D08-6072C1F49D90&pageCode=BB92AA54-78AB-4621-B245-727A03D7237F



Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kamloops, BC mayor: Sept 30)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on July 20, 2017, 09:37:17 AM
By-Election of Note:

Ritchot (RM South of Winnipeg) By-Election was held tonight. The by-elections were held after Mayor Jackie Hunt and two councillors, Jeannot Robert and Ron Mamchuk, resigned. This after allegations two other councillors, Ernie Dumaine and Corrine Webb, verbally attacked the mayor at a meeting over an outdoor hockey rink. All 5 members ran to reclaim their seat:

Results:
Mayor: Chris Ewen, turnout 39%
Ward 1: Shane Pelletier, turnout 49%
Ward 2: Ron Mamchuk (re-elected), turnout 51%
Ward 3: Jeannot Robert (acclaimed)
Ward 4: Janine Boulanger, turnout 31%

http://www.ritchot.com/main.aspx?CategoryCode=BE0B3259-5572-4DEA-9D08-6072C1F49D90&pageCode=BB92AA54-78AB-4621-B245-727A03D7237F



The municipality has a fairly large Francophone population, but interestingly none of the wards appear to have a Francophone majority.

Also interestingly, Ewen only won one ward and didn't even with the advance vote! But his margins were so high is Ward 1, that he was able to win the election.  Jackie Hunt the incumbent mayor won 2 wards (2 & 3) which appear to be more Francophone than most of the RM, while 3rd place candidate Gene Whitney won ward 4.

Also interestingly for rural Manitoba, the RM voted for the Liberals back in 2015, but provincially went PC last year.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kamloops, BC mayor: Sept 30)
Post by: lilTommy on July 25, 2017, 07:28:22 AM
For the Saskatoon-Fairview, the NDP have nominated 2016 candidate and Executive Assistant to the Dean of Aboriginal Affairs at the University of Saskatchewan Vicki Mowat

http://saskatoon.ctvnews.ca/mowat-to-represent-ndp-in-saskatoon-fairview-by-election-1.3517540

The SaskParty have nominated School Board Trustee, former correction officer Cameron Scott

http://thestarphoenix.com/news/local-news/saskatoon-fairview-follow


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kamloops, BC mayor: Sept 30)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on July 28, 2017, 01:21:58 PM
In addition to resigning as BC Liberal leader, Christy Clark will also be resigning her seat.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kamloops, BC mayor: Sept 30)
Post by: lilTommy on July 28, 2017, 02:26:19 PM
In addition to resigning as BC Liberal leader, Christy Clark will also be resigning her seat.

The likelyhood of the NDP winning Kelwona West is what?... From what I can see, they have never won this riding in any configuration. Greens? would this be a riding the NDP could/should sacrifice for their little buddies?


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kamloops, BC mayor: Sept 30)
Post by: adma on July 28, 2017, 10:10:46 PM
The last federal result suggests that Kelowna at large might be moving "leftward"...which in this case, means centreward, i.e. if the BC Libs continue to be seen as a viable "grand coalition" entity, they've nothing to fear.  (Especially considering how Justin didn't exactly shun his party's provincial namesake.)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kamloops, BC mayor: Sept 30)
Post by: Poirot on July 30, 2017, 10:25:23 PM
Trudeau and Scheer visited Saguenay and Lac Saint-Jean region, a pre-campaign for the Lac-Saint-Jean byelection.

An editorial from a regional newspaper talks of the Trudeau effect for the byelection
http://www.lapresse.ca/le-quotidien/opinions/editoriaux/201707/26/01-5119676-leffet-trudeau-et-la-partielle.php (http://www.lapresse.ca/le-quotidien/opinions/editoriaux/201707/26/01-5119676-leffet-trudeau-et-la-partielle.php)

The Liberal candidate will start ahead not only for the lure of power or the government policies but mostly because of Trudeau's popularity. There were big crowds and Trudeau took a lot of time shaking hands and taking selfies. He gives the impression of being accessicle and listening to people. He met local leaders from business, union, social housing, mayors.

Local news coverage seems very positive. In addition to the excitement of the rock star visit, Alma mayor said trudeau is doing exceptional work and has a magnetic personality. Trudeau gave his word to farmers he will defend them and he would find a solution to a local problem of cell phone coverage. 


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kamloops, BC mayor: Sept 30)
Post by: 136or142 on July 31, 2017, 01:57:24 AM
The Conservatives tried "Just-in over his head" in 2015, from what I've seen so far, the Liberals should use 'Scheer Stupidity.'


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kamloops, BC mayor: Sept 30)
Post by: trebor204 on July 31, 2017, 08:49:08 AM
Glen Murray (Lib-Toronto) is resigning his cabinet post (Ontario Environment) and we resign his seat.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/cabinet-shuffle-murray-wynne-1.4228747



Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kamloops, BC mayor: Sept 30)
Post by: RogueBeaver on July 31, 2017, 09:07:29 AM
Star says seat will remain vacant till the election.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kamloops, BC mayor: Sept 30)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on July 31, 2017, 09:20:04 AM

Why do you always make these wild proclamations? Your first prediction for the Soo by-election was that it would be a Liberal-NDP race for pete's sake.

Toronto Centre used to vote for the Tories, and with Kathleen Wynne being so unpopular, in a by-election scenario I could see a lot of the voters switching to them, and if the NDP targets, we could see a 3 way race. There have been two by-elections in recent history, in 2010 the NDP won 33% (provincial) and in 2013 the NDP won 36% (federal).

If there is no by-election, then the new Toronto Centre riding will be a pure toss up. The redistributed federal results from 2011 had the Liberals win the riding by just three points. Safe seat indeed! ::)  


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kamloops, BC mayor: Sept 30)
Post by: DL on July 31, 2017, 10:28:06 AM
Star says seat will remain vacant till the election.

That would imply that if Jagmeet Singh wins the federal NDP leadership and resigns his Ontario seat sometime in the Fall - there would also not be any byelection in Bramalea-Gore-Malton before the June 2018 general election.

The new boundaries for Toronto Centre that lop off Rosedale, coupled with Glen Murray quitting, coupled with the extreme unpopularity of Kathleen Wynne could actually make the riding a top target for the Ontario NDP.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kamloops, BC mayor: Sept 30)
Post by: Krago on July 31, 2017, 03:08:04 PM
Does anyone have the polling subdivision maps used in the Quebec provincial by-elections in Chauveau (2015-06-08) and St-Henri--Ste-Anne (2015-11-09)?

Many thanks.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kamloops, BC mayor: Sept 30)
Post by: RogueBeaver on July 31, 2017, 03:56:05 PM
Mea culpa, Hatman. Didn't know about redistribution. In related news, Tories polling at 50% (!!!) in 416?


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kamloops, BC mayor: Sept 30)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on July 31, 2017, 05:25:14 PM
Mea culpa, Hatman. Didn't know about redistribution. In related news, Tories polling at 50% (!!!) in 416?

No worries; I can be cranky in the morning.

Speaking of the new Toronto Centre riding, I don't think the Tories can win it without Rosedale, so it will be a two-way fight.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kamloops, BC mayor: Sept 30)
Post by: adma on July 31, 2017, 11:02:02 PM

Speaking of the new Toronto Centre riding, I don't think the Tories can win it without Rosedale, so it will be a two-way fight.

Or, if the Tories are headed for a clear majority and Horwath continues to have a "Toronto problem", a two-way fight for *second*.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kamloops, BC mayor: Sept 30)
Post by: 136or142 on July 31, 2017, 11:25:58 PM
In related news, Tories polling at 50% (!!!) in 416?

After 15 years in power by 2018, I think we can play this for the Ontario Liberals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKO_JRbcC04

Roy Orbison "It's Over"

I don't know what to make of Progressive Conservative leader Patrick Brown, but he's a huge fan of socialist musician Billy Bragg, so he can't be all bad.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kamloops, BC mayor: Sept 30)
Post by: Pragmatic Conservative on August 01, 2017, 07:22:14 PM
Former Westside-Kelowna MLA Ben Stewart running for Christy Clarks seat (stepped aside for her in 2013)

https://www.google.ca/amp/globalnews.ca/news/3640702/now-that-christys-gone-ben-stewart-wants-his-seat-back/amp/ (https://www.google.ca/amp/globalnews.ca/news/3640702/now-that-christys-gone-ben-stewart-wants-his-seat-back/amp/)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kamloops, BC mayor: Sept 30)
Post by: Pragmatic Conservative on August 03, 2017, 04:24:14 PM
Vancouver city council and School Board by-election set for October 14th. All 9 seats are up as the previous BC Liberal government dismissed all 9 trustees last year.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-school-board-byelection-1.4234442 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-school-board-byelection-1.4234442)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kamloops, BC mayor: Sept 30)
Post by: Lotuslander on August 03, 2017, 07:06:21 PM
Vancouver city council and School Board by-election set for October 14th. All 9 seats are up as the previous BC Liberal government dismissed all 9 trustees last year.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-school-board-byelection-1.4234442 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-school-board-byelection-1.4234442)

Vacant Van City council seat opinion poll from a few days ago by Justason Market Intelligence:

Sample size: n = 400 with decided vote at n = 209;

Methodology: Opt-in online panel;

Poll voting options: Green, NPA, Vision Vancouver and One City; (should have included COPE as well IMHO);

IMHO, most eyebrow-raising factoid arising from the JMI opinion poll was that incumbent Vision Vancouver is in 4th place:

()

http://www.justasonmi.com/?p=5357


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kamloops, BC mayor: Sept 30)
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 10, 2017, 11:03:38 AM
Swift Current, SK: Wall is retiring from politics. (https://twitter.com/PremierBradWall/status/895676119940071425)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kamloops, BC mayor: Sept 30)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on August 12, 2017, 10:44:31 PM
Saskatoon Fairview by-election set for Sept 7.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kamloops, BC mayor: Sept 30)
Post by: mileslunn on August 12, 2017, 10:55:55 PM
Saskatoon Fairview by-election set for Sept 7.

Was a very marginal Saskatchewan Party seat and usually by-elections don't tend to favour the government, especially considering Wall's approval rating is a lot lower than a year ago so my guess if the NDP will take this.  It will though be interesting what impact the Saskatchewan Party leadership race has.  I believe they will get a bounce in the polls when they choose a new leader, but since the next election isn't until November 2020 doubt they will hold that bounce.  Still too far out to predict who will win then, but even if the Saskatchewan Party does win, it won't be as big a blowout as the last two provincial elections were and even if the NDP wins it will probably be more like the 1999 and 2003 elections as opposed to the 1991 landslide.  It seems rural Saskatchewan is now more or less a lock for parties on the right unlike in the past.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kamloops, BC mayor: Sept 30)
Post by: Jeppe on August 12, 2017, 11:08:16 PM
Saskatoon Fairview by-election set for Sept 7.

Was a very marginal Saskatchewan Party seat and usually by-elections don't tend to favour the government, especially considering Wall's approval rating is a lot lower than a year ago so my guess if the NDP will take this.  It will though be interesting what impact the Saskatchewan Party leadership race has.  I believe they will get a bounce in the polls when they choose a new leader, but since the next election isn't until November 2020 doubt they will hold that bounce.  Still too far out to predict who will win then, but even if the Saskatchewan Party does win, it won't be as big a blowout as the last two provincial elections were and even if the NDP wins it will probably be more like the 1999 and 2003 elections as opposed to the 1991 landslide.  It seems rural Saskatchewan is now more or less a lock for parties on the right unlike in the past.

Some polling has showed the NDP tying the Sask party in "rest of Saskatchewan", which includes smaller cities like Moose Jaw and Prince Albert and the north, but some rural areas (mainly some small towns, doubt ranchers would ever vote NDP en masse) could voting for the NDP again.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kamloops, BC mayor: Sept 30)
Post by: mileslunn on August 12, 2017, 11:49:14 PM
Saskatoon Fairview by-election set for Sept 7.

Was a very marginal Saskatchewan Party seat and usually by-elections don't tend to favour the government, especially considering Wall's approval rating is a lot lower than a year ago so my guess if the NDP will take this.  It will though be interesting what impact the Saskatchewan Party leadership race has.  I believe they will get a bounce in the polls when they choose a new leader, but since the next election isn't until November 2020 doubt they will hold that bounce.  Still too far out to predict who will win then, but even if the Saskatchewan Party does win, it won't be as big a blowout as the last two provincial elections were and even if the NDP wins it will probably be more like the 1999 and 2003 elections as opposed to the 1991 landslide.  It seems rural Saskatchewan is now more or less a lock for parties on the right unlike in the past.

Some polling has showed the NDP tying the Sask party in "rest of Saskatchewan", which includes smaller cities like Moose Jaw and Prince Albert and the north, but some rural areas (mainly some small towns, doubt ranchers would ever vote NDP en masse) could voting for the NDP again.

True the cancellation of STC was very unpopular there, although it's been almost 20 years at either the provincial or federal level since the right wasn't running up the margins in rural Saskatchewan thus my skepticism but if the Saskatchewan Party becomes very unpopular in 2020 you could get a scenario like in both Alberta and Manitoba's recent provincial elections where you saw the NDP in Alberta and PCs in Manitoba winning in many ridings they normally would never win although to be fair I suspect they will lose a lot of those next time around even if they win the election (In Alberta that is seeming not too likely but in Manitoba the PCs still have a decent chance at winning but probably not as big a blowout as in 2016).


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: lilTommy on August 16, 2017, 10:58:01 AM
Another Saskatchewan MLA is retiring, as of 9/1, Kindersley MLA Bill Boyd
He's been around since 91 as a PC MLA, served as party leader till joining the SP in 97.

http://saskatoon.ctvnews.ca/mobile/kindersley-mla-bill-boyd-to-retire-1.3547214

A right-wing party has held this riding since 78, the Liberals held it from 75-78. The best the NDP managed since then was 34% in 78. In 2016, this was a battle between Boyd the SP MLA and a former SP MLA, the NDp only managed about 7%. 


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 18, 2017, 09:43:51 PM
Lac-Saint-Jean: LeBel's resignation took effect last week. (http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/justin-trudeau-draws-big-crowds-on-saguenay-lac-saint-jean-visit) Desbiens Mayor Nicolas Martel isn't running. (http://www.lapresse.ca/le-quotidien/actualites/201708/18/01-5125561-nicolas-martel-ne-briguera-pas-linvestiture-du-parti-liberal-du-canada.php) Nor is Gilbert Dominique. (http://www.lapresse.ca/le-quotidien/actualites/201708/16/01-5125025-pas-de-politique-federale-pour-gilbert-dominique.php)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: MaxQue on August 20, 2017, 05:19:30 PM
Lac-Saint-Jean: LeBel's resignation took effect last week. (http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/justin-trudeau-draws-big-crowds-on-saguenay-lac-saint-jean-visit) Desbiens Mayor Nicolas Martel isn't running. (http://www.lapresse.ca/le-quotidien/actualites/201708/18/01-5125561-nicolas-martel-ne-briguera-pas-linvestiture-du-parti-liberal-du-canada.php) Nor is Gilbert Dominique. (http://www.lapresse.ca/le-quotidien/actualites/201708/16/01-5125025-pas-de-politique-federale-pour-gilbert-dominique.php)

Nor is the Bloc candidate of 2015.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 21, 2017, 07:58:10 PM
Lac-Saint-Jean will be called soon, Grits eager for a flip. I'd expect they will, we only held it because of LeBel in 2015. (https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/liberals-laying-groundwork-for-upset-in-looming-lac-saint-jean-by-election/article36051535/?cmpid=rss1)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: mileslunn on August 21, 2017, 09:32:24 PM
Lac-Saint-Jean will be called soon, Grits eager for a flip. I'd expect they will, we only held it because of LeBel in 2015. (https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/liberals-laying-groundwork-for-upset-in-looming-lac-saint-jean-by-election/article36051535/?cmpid=rss1)

I agree the Tories are unlikely to hold this, but the Grits might have a tougher time than many think.  I believe this area voted 67% yes in the 95 referendum so I think the BQ could possibly win here, mind you with the BQ, NDP, and Conservatives all seeming to be irrelevant in Quebec the Liberals just might take it.  In fact if Quebec becomes to Justin Trudeau like it was for his father this could make it very difficult to unseat the Liberals even if the Tories and NDP gain in English Canada.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: Poirot on August 21, 2017, 10:33:20 PM
Is it an upset win when you are favoured to win? The opposition parties will not be lead by powerful leaders. I imagine people are not angry at the government and want to vote against it. The Bloc has a low profile, probably doesn't have money, they can,t bring jobs or help realise local projects. Besides the Liberals no other party seems to have a name as potential candidate, unless they are hiding a major star candidate. It looks like mayors of Alma, Dolbeau and Roberval will be behind the Liberal party.

Richard Hébert, mayor of Dolbeau-Mistassini announced he was seeking the Liberal nomination earlier this month. He wants to help the development of his town and region. He wants to find solutions for the forestry industry and its future. He said he was approached by some political and socio-economic players to run. 

http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1049258/le-maire-de-dolbeau-mistassini-se-lance-en-politique-federale

It seemed later all the other potential candidates declined to run after that but there is another person seeking the nomination.

Marjolaine Etienne, Innu, former vice-chief of Mashteuiatsh reserve.
http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1051149/marjolaine-etienne-brigue-linvestiture-liberale-dans-lac-saint-jean?fromBeta=true (http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1051149/marjolaine-etienne-brigue-linvestiture-liberale-dans-lac-saint-jean?fromBeta=true)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: Tintrlvr on August 21, 2017, 11:15:26 PM
Lac-Saint-Jean will be called soon, Grits eager for a flip. I'd expect they will, we only held it because of LeBel in 2015. (https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/liberals-laying-groundwork-for-upset-in-looming-lac-saint-jean-by-election/article36051535/?cmpid=rss1)

I agree the Tories are unlikely to hold this, but the Grits might have a tougher time than many think.  I believe this area voted 67% yes in the 95 referendum so I think the BQ could possibly win here, mind you with the BQ, NDP, and Conservatives all seeming to be irrelevant in Quebec the Liberals just might take it.  In fact if Quebec becomes to Justin Trudeau like it was for his father this could make it very difficult to unseat the Liberals even if the Tories and NDP gain in English Canada.

I agree. Recent polling in Quebec is somewhat inconsistent but generally would not suggest a Liberal pick-up in an opposition-held seat in Quebec at the moment. I think the Tories are much more likely to retain than the Bloc to threaten, given the Bloc's perennial dysfunction these days, but who knows.

The best poll for the Liberals by far is Abacus's July poll, the Quebec subsample of which had Lib 53, Con 14, NDP 14, BQ 14, which would put the NDP way down from 2015 and the Liberals way up but the Cons and BQ only down slightly. The Liberals would narrowly take the seat on a uniform swing with that result, but only narrowly, and those figures suggest the Liberals are gaining more where the NDP were strong in 2015 than in Conservative-held seats with a strong Bloc history like Lac-Saint-Jean.

Campaign Research's July poll's Quebec subsample had Lib 42, Con 15, NDP 23, BQ 17, which would not be good enough for the Liberals to take the seat on a uniform swing, though they'd be in shouting distance.

Angus Reid's June poll's Quebec subsample had Lib 38, Con 18, NDP 20 (no BQ result reported), which is barely any net swing to the Liberals relative to the Conservatives and leaves the Liberals in third on a uniform swing.

And finally EKOS's June poll's Quebec subsample had Lib 33, Con 20, NDP 16, BQ 16, even worse for the Liberals, actually a swing to the Conservatives and definitely not good enough to win.

Certainly not ruling out a Liberal pick-up but does not seem to be strongly indicated by polling at the moment.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 23, 2017, 07:12:17 PM
Judy Foote resigning by end of year.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on August 23, 2017, 07:25:51 PM

I think it's safe to say the Liberals will hold on to this one. I think it was their best seat in 2015.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: mileslunn on August 23, 2017, 10:25:29 PM

I think it's safe to say the Liberals will hold on to this one. I think it was their best seat in 2015.

Fully agree here.  It will though be interesting to see what the shifts are as the Tories and NDP were more or less rock bottom so cannot see them doing any worse so while the Liberals will easily hold this, it may give a sense at what type of shifts have happened since.  I know the Newfoundland provincial Liberal government is quite unpopular although unlike Trudeau they've adopted austerity so not sure how much of an impact that will have.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: lilTommy on August 24, 2017, 08:01:54 AM

I think it's safe to say the Liberals will hold on to this one. I think it was their best seat in 2015.

Fully agree here.  It will though be interesting to see what the shifts are as the Tories and NDP were more or less rock bottom so cannot see them doing any worse so while the Liberals will easily hold this, it may give a sense at what type of shifts have happened since.  I know the Newfoundland provincial Liberal government is quite unpopular although unlike Trudeau they've adopted austerity so not sure how much of an impact that will have.

Foote won 81% of the vote... ya i'd say that's a strong mandate


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 28, 2017, 09:04:15 AM
Lac-Saint-Jean: Grits confident of a pickup.  (http://www.hilltimes.com/2017/08/28/lac-saint-jean-que-nearly-four-decades-local-liberals-now-100-per-cent-sure-party-will-win-byelection/117115)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: mileslunn on August 28, 2017, 09:44:14 AM
Lac-Saint-Jean: Grits confident of a pickup.  (http://www.hilltimes.com/2017/08/28/lac-saint-jean-que-nearly-four-decades-local-liberals-now-100-per-cent-sure-party-will-win-byelection/117115)

I think the Liberals have an edge, but the sort of arrogance we are certain to win or Trudeau is loved is the type that long-term runs parties into trouble.  Otherwise never take anything for granted although do agree the Liberals have the advantage.  While Trudeau has a positive approval rating in Quebec and nationally it is not through the roof, I think the Liberal advantage in Quebec is more due to the weakness of the other parties.  Asides from 2011 NDP has not traditionally been strong in Quebec, BQ is in decline despite this historically being one of their strongest ridings, and the Conservatives are largely confined to the Quebec City region.  Provincially the ADQ and CAQ never did very well in the Saguenay


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 28, 2017, 09:52:37 AM
Yes but no other federalist party has been durable here long-term since Macdonald. Frankly I don't mind a return to our Fort status.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 30, 2017, 01:27:18 PM
Battlefords-Lloydminister: Ritz is expected to announce his resignation soon. (http://ipolitics.ca/2017/08/30/scheer-names-poilievre-finance-critic-leaves-leitch-out-of-shadow-cabinet/)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: mileslunn on August 30, 2017, 01:31:44 PM
Battlefords-Lloydminister: Ritz is expected to announce his resignation soon. (http://ipolitics.ca/2017/08/30/scheer-names-poilievre-finance-critic-leaves-leitch-out-of-shadow-cabinet/)

That is generally a pretty safe Conservative riding so would be shocked if they lost it, nonetheless with Wall's popularity having fallen, it might be a bit tighter.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: lilTommy on August 30, 2017, 02:37:42 PM
Battlefords-Lloydminister: Ritz is expected to announce his resignation soon. (http://ipolitics.ca/2017/08/30/scheer-names-poilievre-finance-critic-leaves-leitch-out-of-shadow-cabinet/)

That is generally a pretty safe Conservative riding so would be shocked if they lost it, nonetheless with Wall's popularity having fallen, it might be a bit tighter.

Battlefords-Lloydminister Has been held by a Right wing party since the ridings creation in 1997 (Reform/Alliance/Conseravtive), before that though the Battlefords-Meadow Lake riding which was carved up to create Battlefords-Lloydminister was NDP held.
The NDP still is the main opponent, 2nd placer here but hasn't broken 30% ever'... so ya pretty solid CPC.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: the506 on August 30, 2017, 03:20:03 PM
Louis-Hebert provincial by-election called for October 2 (http://globalnews.ca/news/3707460/byelection-to-be-held-in-quebec-city-riding-of-louis-hebert-on-oct-2/?utm_source=%40Global_Montreal&utm_medium=Twitter).


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: Jeppe on August 30, 2017, 03:30:40 PM
That part of the province is probably very competitive provincially, but the federal NDP is struggling to gain traction here. Half of the Sask NDP provincial supporters here are breaking for the Liberals federally, according to Mainstreet.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: mileslunn on August 30, 2017, 03:32:46 PM
That part of the province is probably very competitive provincially, but the federal NDP is struggling to gain traction here. Half of the Sask NDP provincial supporters here are breaking for the Liberals federally, according to Mainstreet.

Only the Battlefords are competitive for the NDP provincially.  Lloydminster and the rural portions are solidly Saskatchewan Party.  I believe there are around 4-5 provincial ridings per federal and the others are not competitive.  Even in the 1999 and 2003 provincial elections which the NDP won, this riding would have still gone solidly Saskatchewan Party.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on August 31, 2017, 09:15:28 AM
Louis-Hebert provincial by-election called for October 2 (http://globalnews.ca/news/3707460/byelection-to-be-held-in-quebec-city-riding-of-louis-hebert-on-oct-2/?utm_source=%40Global_Montreal&utm_medium=Twitter).

Apparently the NPDQ will be contesting it! Will be interesting to see how well they do. For comparison, the federal NDP got about ~10% in 2008, ~40% in 2011 and ~20% in 2015.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 31, 2017, 09:22:48 AM
Ritz announced his resignation today. Obhrai's on retirement watch too.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: Jeppe on August 31, 2017, 09:44:55 AM
That part of the province is probably very competitive provincially, but the federal NDP is struggling to gain traction here. Half of the Sask NDP provincial supporters here are breaking for the Liberals federally, according to Mainstreet.

Only the Battlefords are competitive for the NDP provincially.  Lloydminster and the rural portions are solidly Saskatchewan Party.  I believe there are around 4-5 provincial ridings per federal and the others are not competitive.  Even in the 1999 and 2003 provincial elections which the NDP won, this riding would have still gone solidly Saskatchewan Party.

The NDP is running competitively with the Sask Party in rural Saskatchewan according to polling. There are tons of small towns in that area the Sask NDP could win. Lloydminster is a stretch, but I wouldn't see be surprised to see a tight race provincially in the federal boundaries.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on August 31, 2017, 10:58:10 AM
Louis-Hebert provincial by-election called for October 2 (http://globalnews.ca/news/3707460/byelection-to-be-held-in-quebec-city-riding-of-louis-hebert-on-oct-2/?utm_source=%40Global_Montreal&utm_medium=Twitter).

Apparently the NPDQ will be contesting it! Will be interesting to see how well they do. For comparison, the federal NDP got about ~10% in 2008, ~40% in 2011 and ~20% in 2015.

They will be running former MP Denis Blanchette, who is the current president of the NPDQ.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: mileslunn on August 31, 2017, 11:02:47 AM
That part of the province is probably very competitive provincially, but the federal NDP is struggling to gain traction here. Half of the Sask NDP provincial supporters here are breaking for the Liberals federally, according to Mainstreet.

Only the Battlefords are competitive for the NDP provincially.  Lloydminster and the rural portions are solidly Saskatchewan Party.  I believe there are around 4-5 provincial ridings per federal and the others are not competitive.  Even in the 1999 and 2003 provincial elections which the NDP won, this riding would have still gone solidly Saskatchewan Party.

The NDP is running competitively with the Sask Party in rural Saskatchewan according to polling. There are tons of small towns in that area the Sask NDP could win. Lloydminster is a stretch, but I wouldn't see be surprised to see a tight race provincially in the federal boundaries.

That was according to one poll so while possible I am a bit skeptical of rural Saskatchewan swinging heavily to the NDP.  It seems since the late 90s they have more or less abandoned them.  The Angus-reid poll shows it's mainly Regina and Saskatoon that make the NDP competitive and perhaps some support in smaller cities like Moose Jaw and Prince Albert


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: DL on August 31, 2017, 01:29:02 PM
I could easily see the Sask NDP win the provincial riding of The Battlefords - which they held up to 2011...and maybe a couple of rural ridings in the north that have large FN reserves such as Meadow Lake or Batoche or Saskatchewan Rivers....but not the rural parts of this federal riding


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: Pragmatic Conservative on September 03, 2017, 08:43:23 PM
Former MLA Ben Stewart will be the BC Liberal candidate in Kelowana West By-Election.

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-liberals-pick-former-mla-ben-stewart-for-kelowna-west-byelection-1.4273626 (http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-liberals-pick-former-mla-ben-stewart-for-kelowna-west-byelection-1.4273626)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: mileslunn on September 03, 2017, 09:04:14 PM
Former MLA Ben Stewart will be the BC Liberal candidate in Kelowana West By-Election.

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-liberals-pick-former-mla-ben-stewart-for-kelowna-west-byelection-1.4273626 (http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-liberals-pick-former-mla-ben-stewart-for-kelowna-west-byelection-1.4273626)

Interesting.  I would have thought they should have waited until the next leader is chosen in case the next leader is not from caucus.  Still considering the BC Liberals won this by over 30 points, I suspect they will have little difficulty holding it.  Even if the Greens don't put up a candidate, the BC Liberals pretty much always get over 50% here.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: Jeppe on September 05, 2017, 09:31:45 AM
Weird how we haven't gotten a single Saskatoon Fairview poll, when we got 2 Saskatoon Meewasin by-election polls.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: lilTommy on September 05, 2017, 10:00:51 AM
Louis-Hebert provincial by-election called for October 2 (http://globalnews.ca/news/3707460/byelection-to-be-held-in-quebec-city-riding-of-louis-hebert-on-oct-2/?utm_source=%40Global_Montreal&utm_medium=Twitter).

Apparently the NPDQ will be contesting it! Will be interesting to see how well they do. For comparison, the federal NDP got about ~10% in 2008, ~40% in 2011 and ~20% in 2015.

They will be running former MP Denis Blanchette, who is the current president of the NPDQ.

http://www.lapresse.ca/le-soleil/actualites/politique/201708/08/01-5123011-partielle-dans-louis-hebert-un-premier-test-pour-le-npd-quebec.php

That's fairly high profile for the almost-nothing party eh, but since QS and I believe the Greens are also running candidates, that's really a crowded left, left-of-centre field now. Also, sounds like both QS and NPDQ are going to use orange... i guess if PQ/CAQ can both use blues, it can be done but talk about confusion.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: DL on September 05, 2017, 10:03:08 AM
Weird how we haven't gotten a single Saskatoon Fairview poll, when we got 2 Saskatoon Meewasin by-election polls.

Probably because Meewasin was considered very competitive and Meili was considered a likely NDP leadership candidate. in contrast the conventional wisdom about Fairview is that it will be a slam dunk pickup for the NDP.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: lilTommy on September 05, 2017, 10:07:53 AM
Weird how we haven't gotten a single Saskatoon Fairview poll, when we got 2 Saskatoon Meewasin by-election polls.

Ya, no kidding eh. I think because in Meewasin, you had a very high profile NDP candidate in Meili running, might have been a factor in the amount of polling. Fairview was much closer then Meewasin in 2016; a 182 vote (48% vs 45%) difference vs 523 (50% vs 42%)... it could be seen as already in the NDP bag, which is not the best for anyone.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 06, 2017, 10:04:12 AM
Louis Hébert: Grit was accused of psychologically harassing 2 women at his business. (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-quebecoise/201709/05/01-5130650-un-candidat-liberal-denonce-pour-harcelement-psychologique.php)

Most by-elections in my province since the early 80s. (http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-quebecoise/201709/04/01-5130101-record-delections-partielles-au-quebec.php)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 06, 2017, 06:24:19 PM
L-H: Grits also replacing their candidate. When was the last time something like this happened? (https://twitter.com/SebBovetSRC/status/905572114698260480)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on September 07, 2017, 03:03:41 PM
My profile of today's by-election: http://canadianelectionatlas.blogspot.ca/2017/09/saskatoon-fairview-by-election-preview.html


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: mileslunn on September 07, 2017, 03:28:03 PM
My profile of today's by-election: http://canadianelectionatlas.blogspot.ca/2017/09/saskatoon-fairview-by-election-preview.html

I would be quite shocked if the NDP doesn't pick this up.  I think margins will be more the interesting one.  Is it similar to 2007 which is good news for the Saskatchewan Party or is more like 1999 and 2003 which is good news for the NDP.  Off course with both parties choosing a new leader a lot can happen between now and the next election so the close poll numbers could easily swing to one side or another.  Nonetheless with Saskatchewan Party's strong rural base I suspect at worst would be a strong opposition in 2020 while even if the NDP loses, I am pretty sure they will pick up a whole bunch of seats.  Otherwise I suspect the 2003 and 2007 results are the best to use for predicting what could happen.  2011 and 2016 were massive blowouts that don't happen too long just as 1991 was a massive blowout for the NDP which they were unable to maintain beyond that.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on September 07, 2017, 04:33:09 PM
Yes, the NDP will win it.  The question is, by how much? My guess is 53-42.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: Jeppe on September 07, 2017, 05:19:12 PM
Yes, the NDP will win it.  The question is, by how much? My guess is 53-42.
My guess is 55-35. If the Sask NDP is pulling over 40% of the vote province-wide, they definitely have to put up large margins in seats like this.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: Jeppe on September 07, 2017, 09:24:15 PM
Looks like my initial conservative estimate was too conservative. NDP leading 65-25 with 11/50 reporting.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: mileslunn on September 07, 2017, 09:25:40 PM
If those numbers hold up, then big night for the NDP and obviously a message to the Saskatchewan Party that some are unhappy.  The NDP will definitely win this, but lets see what the final numbers are.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on September 07, 2017, 09:27:16 PM
One thing I neglected to mention in my blog post was how good the SP and the Tories are in the advance vote. I think the NDP actually won the election day vote in 2016.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: mileslunn on September 07, 2017, 09:28:45 PM
One thing I neglected to mention in my blog post was how good the SP and the Tories are in the advance vote. I think the NDP actually won the election day vote in 2016.

Then the predictions others made might close as my understanding is advanced votes usually come last since they take the longest to count.  Noticed that with other parties on the right, any idea why that is?  Interestingly in BC at least absentee ballots tend to favour the NDP.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: mileslunn on September 07, 2017, 09:35:18 PM
With 25 out of 55 reporting and it now being 64.3% NDP to 26.6% Saskatchewan Party this won't even be close, even if the final polls are a bit closer.  Big NDP win it looks like.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on September 07, 2017, 09:39:44 PM
CBC says there are 1888 advance ballots to count.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: Jeppe on September 07, 2017, 09:46:06 PM
A lot of the people from out of the province commenting don't understand quite HOW unpopular the Sask Party is right now. I think this by-election should be a sign that the Sask NDP could legitimately contest the Kindersley by-election, especially with Bill Boyd's legal dramas.

Advance voting depends on the constituency, the one where I volunteered for, our NDP candidate won by the advance votes by a slim margin, but some other candidate's election day victories were overturned by the advance votes.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: mileslunn on September 07, 2017, 09:48:26 PM
A lot of the people from out of the province commenting don't understand quite HOW unpopular the Sask Party is right now. I think this by-election should be a sign that the Sask NDP could legitimately contest the Kindersley by-election, especially with Bill Boyd's legal dramas.

Advance voting depends on the constituency, the one where I volunteered for, our NDP candidate won by the advance votes by a slim margin, but some other candidate's election day victories were overturned by the advance votes.

I know the Saskatchewan Party did take a hit over the last budget, but Wall's approval ratings in the polls I've seen is still around 45% which is a lot lower than it has traditionally been, but compared to other premiers still quite high although somewhat lower than Trudeau's.  I guess Kindersley is possible, but I tend to think the ridings they won in 2003 is probably the one's most likely to flip.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: Jeppe on September 07, 2017, 09:53:27 PM
A lot of the people from out of the province commenting don't understand quite HOW unpopular the Sask Party is right now. I think this by-election should be a sign that the Sask NDP could legitimately contest the Kindersley by-election, especially with Bill Boyd's legal dramas.

Advance voting depends on the constituency, the one where I volunteered for, our NDP candidate won by the advance votes by a slim margin, but some other candidate's election day victories were overturned by the advance votes.

I know the Saskatchewan Party did take a hit over the last budget, but Wall's approval ratings in the polls I've seen is still around 45% which is a lot lower than it has traditionally been, but compared to other premiers still quite high although somewhat lower than Trudeau's.  I guess Kindersley is possible, but I tend to think the ridings they won in 2003 is probably the one's most likely to flip.

Brad Wall's popularity has always been a bit higher than the party's approval though. He's lifted up the party's popularity by making it the Brad Wall Party, but now his reputation is being tarnished.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: mileslunn on September 07, 2017, 10:01:37 PM
CBC has now called it for the NDP.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on September 07, 2017, 10:06:38 PM
I may be from Ontario, but I do not think Kindersley will even be close. The NDP finished third in 2016.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: mileslunn on September 07, 2017, 10:22:44 PM
Just five polls left, probably the advanced and the two mobile.  Looks like a very good night for the NDP.  Outperformed 2007 and Sask Party so far did slightly worse although maybe will match depending on advanced polls.  NDP also outperformed 2003, but it looks like the Sask Party did as well.  Interestingly enough in 1982, this riding went massively PC, but then swung massively to the NDP with similar numbers in 1986 which the PCs still won.  Granted that was a long time ago so one needs to be careful making comparisons.  But things are looking good for the NDP, while the Saskatchewan Party definitely has their issues although they at least have 3 years to try to turn things around so they do have the luxury of time, but off course things could go either way.

Saskatchewan Green Party 45 1.4%
Vicki Mowat New Democratic Party (N.D.P.) 1887 60.6%
David Prokopchuk P. C. Party of Sask. 93 3.0%
Shah Rukh Saskatchewan Liberal Party 124 4.0%
Cameron Scott Saskatchewan Party 957 30.8%
Rejected Ballots - 6 0.2%


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: Jeppe on September 07, 2017, 10:29:42 PM
I may be from Ontario, but I do not think Kindersley will even be close. The NDP finished third in 2016.

To an independent who was rallying himself as the anti-Sask Party candidate. Granted he was a right-winger, but quite a few NDP votes went to him hoping he might be able to take down Bill Boyd.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: mileslunn on September 07, 2017, 10:41:12 PM
Final numbers

Taylor Bolin Saskatchewan Green Party 61 1.3%
Vicki Mowat New Democratic Party (N.D.P.) 2759 60.3%
David Prokopchuk P. C. Party of Sask. 123 2.7%
Shah Rukh Saskatchewan Liberal Party 199 4.4%
Cameron Scott Saskatchewan Party 1423 31.1%
Rejected Ballots - 7 0.2%

So definitely a good night for the NDP and while a lost was expected for the Saskatchewan Party the size of the loss has to be worrisome.  It doesn't mean they will lose the next election, that is three years away, but it means they have their work cut out for them.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on September 07, 2017, 10:50:53 PM
Actual percentages (for some reason Elections SK calculates %s as a pct of total votes cast rather than just valid votes)

NDP: 60.4% (+15.2)
SP: 31.2% (-17.1)
Lib: 4.4% (-0.7)
PC: 2.7%
Grn: 1.3% (-0.1)

Turnout: 35.7% (-14.4%)

Swing: 16.1% (NDP gain from SP) - bigger swing than in Meewasin! Also, this swing if applied province wide would result in a tie in the popular vote.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: mileslunn on September 07, 2017, 10:54:27 PM
Actual percentages (for some reason Elections SK calculates %s as a pct of total votes cast rather than just valid votes)

NDP: 60.4% (+15.2)
SP: 31.2% (-17.1)
Lib: 4.4% (-0.7)
PC: 2.7%
Grn: 1.3% (-0.1)

Turnout: 35.7% (-14.4%)

Swing: 16.1% (NDP gain from SP) - bigger swing than in Meewasin! Also, this swing if applied province wide would result in a tie in the popular vote.

. Meewasin was also before the austerity budget so I suspect the SP declined further after that.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: Jeppe on September 07, 2017, 11:20:48 PM
Both NDP candidates have managed to win over the suburban parts of their constituencies, with Vicki Mowat winning all but one poll in Fairview. Polls made it seem like the Saskatoon suburbs were still solidly supporting the Sask Party, but by-elections have indicated a different trend.

It'll be interesting to see how the NDP does in the even wealthier suburban areas of the city, like Stonebridge or Willowgrove, where the Sask Party won most polls with over 60%-70% of the vote. They might be an even tougher nut to crack than the rural areas, seeing as they are least affected by the austerity budget. The suburbanites living in those areas aren't the ones riding the STC or living on social assistance, that's for sure.

Regina's only comparable suburb is in Regina Wascana Plains, a mixed constituency that has Regina's southeastern portions along with some smaller, wealthy towns further east of the city. I do wish there was a by-election in Regina, because the NDP is doing ridiculously well in the city, where I wouldn't be surprised to see the NDP hit 65% or even 70% in some currently Sask-Party held seats. Saskatoon's swings have been dramatic, but polls have indicated the NDP winning by landslide margins in Regina, even more than in Saskatoon.

Overall, the Sask NDP's shot at forming government relies on winning a few rural seats, outside of the larger and medium sized cities. Some rural seats like Batoche and Saskatchewan Rivers, which have large reserve populations, are ripe for picking, and they'll be the ones deciding who forms government in 2020. To do that, they need to win some small towns, because ranchers and farmers are likely never going to vote for the NDP en masse, so they need to win over the economically downtrodden Saskatchewanians living in the province's smaller population centres if they want to win in those rural seats. Kindersley will be an interesting test to see if they can win in small towns. They don't have to win the by-election, it'd be a miracle if they actually did, but they have to prove they can do well in some small towns, if they want to form government in 2020.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: Holmes on September 07, 2017, 11:51:10 PM
Yup, that's a swing.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: 136or142 on September 08, 2017, 02:03:08 AM
Both NDP candidates have managed to win over the suburban parts of their constituencies, with Vicki Mowat winning all but one poll in Fairview. Polls made it seem like the Saskatoon suburbs were still solidly supporting the Sask Party, but by-elections have indicated a different trend.

It'll be interesting to see how the NDP does in the even wealthier suburban areas of the city, like Stonebridge or Willowgrove, where the Sask Party won most polls with over 60%-70% of the vote. They might be an even tougher nut to crack than the rural areas, seeing as they are least affected by the austerity budget. The suburbanites living in those areas aren't the ones riding the STC or living on social assistance, that's for sure.

Regina's only comparable suburb is in Regina Wascana Plains, a mixed constituency that has Regina's southeastern portions along with some smaller, wealthy towns further east of the city. I do wish there was a by-election in Regina, because the NDP is doing ridiculously well in the city, where I wouldn't be surprised to see the NDP hit 65% or even 70% in some currently Sask-Party held seats. Saskatoon's swings have been dramatic, but polls have indicated the NDP winning by landslide margins in Regina, even more than in Saskatoon.

Overall, the Sask NDP's shot at forming government relies on winning a few rural seats, outside of the larger and medium sized cities. Some rural seats like Batoche and Saskatchewan Rivers, which have large reserve populations, are ripe for picking, and they'll be the ones deciding who forms government in 2020. To do that, they need to win some small towns, because ranchers and farmers are likely never going to vote for the NDP en masse, so they need to win over the economically downtrodden Saskatchewanians living in the province's smaller population centres if they want to win in those rural seats. Kindersley will be an interesting test to see if they can win in small towns. They don't have to win the by-election, it'd be a miracle if they actually did, but they have to prove they can do well in some small towns, if they want to form government in 2020.

Indeed, the popularity of Brad Wall masked the clearly very large urban (and north)/rural divide in Saskatchewan.

In the 2016 election, the NDP did better than in 2011 in the urban ridings but did even worse in the rural ridings.  In the northern rural ridings where the NDP was relatively strong in 2011, in most of them in 2016 they did no better than they did in the rural ridings in the rest of the province.

Again, these are the northern rural ridings, as opposed to the two ridings in Northern Saskatchewan where the NDP dominates.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: DC Al Fine on September 08, 2017, 05:11:08 AM
Some rural seats like Batoche and Saskatchewan Rivers, which have large reserve populations, are ripe for picking, and they'll be the ones deciding who forms government in 2020.

I don't understand that argument. Seats with a high native population seem less swingable than more white seats to me. It's like arguing that Mississippi could be a Democratic pickup. Sure the NDP have a high floor, but the non-reserve polls are voting 70-80% Saskatchewan Party.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: lilTommy on September 08, 2017, 06:53:06 AM
Some rural seats like Batoche and Saskatchewan Rivers, which have large reserve populations, are ripe for picking, and they'll be the ones deciding who forms government in 2020.

I don't understand that argument. Seats with a high native population seem less swingable than more white seats to me. It's like arguing that Mississippi could be a Democratic pickup. Sure the NDP have a high floor, but the non-reserve polls are voting 70-80% Saskatchewan Party.

Really Good Night for the NDP, I thought maybe mid-50's; 55% or so, but 60%! that's closer to the 95' vote in the old riding (the NDP won 64% then)
IF there is a similar swing province-wide, 16% or so, which the last provincewide poll showed is within the realm of possibilities. Those previous 60-70% SP polls are now more like 40-50%, which would be outweighed by an even stronger (likely) vote in already NDP held polls. So Sask Rivers, Meadow Lake, Batoche, like what was previously mentioned 2003 type ridings. Puts Saskatoon suburban ridings like Eastview and Churchill-Wildwoods definitely in the NDP column, but also Northwest and Silverspring-Sutherland become much more winnable.

Kindersley... still a huge long shot. Even if we see another 16% swing, AND all the 17% who voted for the Indie vote for the NDP, if my rough math is right, that is still SP 51% NDP 40%.  Not sure what voter turn out was, but a huge number of non-voters would have to come out to vote NDP and we'd have to have a bigger swing to the NDP for them to win. Its not impossible, but it's unlikely.
Momentum is with the NDP, they'd be foolish not to capitalize and try and attract a "star" (as best they can) for Kindersley. If there is huge discontent/backlash in Rural Sask maybe we could see this flip... stranger things have happened.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saskatoon Fairview, SK: Sept 7)
Post by: Jeppe on September 08, 2017, 07:50:05 AM
Some rural seats like Batoche and Saskatchewan Rivers, which have large reserve populations, are ripe for picking, and they'll be the ones deciding who forms government in 2020.

I don't understand that argument. Seats with a high native population seem less swingable than more white seats to me. It's like arguing that Mississippi could be a Democratic pickup. Sure the NDP have a high floor, but the non-reserve polls are voting 70-80% Saskatchewan Party.

The northern rural ridings have a history of supporting the NDP. It's like whites in the Midwest vs the South, white rural people in southern Saskatchewan are more conservative, which is why all of the only few ridings that have never voted for the NDP are all in southern Saskatchewan.

Meanwhile the Sask NDP was winning a good chunk of northern Saskatchewan's rural white voters back in 2007. They' definitely swung to the Sask Party in 2011 and 2016, but if the Sask NDP starts making gains with rural voters, it's definitely be most pronounced amongst  y ones that have historically supported them, the ones concentrated in the northern part of the province.

Not too long ago, there were quite a few NDP supporting towns. It's not implausible for it to happen again, especially in Saskatchewan. The Sask NDP is being led by a 29 year old woman first elected to office last year, and they still won the by-election dramatically with a huge swing against Brad Wall. It won't be pretty once the tables are turned in a few months, with a more popular NDP leader and an unpopular and unknown Sask Party leader.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on September 08, 2017, 10:20:36 AM
We saw a big swing yesterday, but it wouldn't be enough to win the election for the NDP:

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No rural ridings drop, and there are still a few urban holdouts for the Sask Party.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: lilTommy on September 08, 2017, 10:35:00 AM
We saw a big swing yesterday, but it wouldn't be enough to win the election for the NDP:

()

No rural ridings drop, and there are still a few urban holdouts for the Sask Party.

Was this a uniform swing? what numbers did you use?
Looking a lot more like 2003 though, your seeing the smaller cities start to swing NDP (The Battlefords, Moose Jaw. I was right in that Saskaton, Westview, Eastview and Churchill-Wildwoods go NDP. For the NDP to win low-hanging rural ridings, the swing is going to have to be closer to 20% then eh.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on September 08, 2017, 10:53:00 AM
We saw a big swing yesterday, but it wouldn't be enough to win the election for the NDP:

()

No rural ridings drop, and there are still a few urban holdouts for the Sask Party.

Was this a uniform swing? what numbers did you use?
Looking a lot more like 2003 though, your seeing the smaller cities start to swing NDP (The Battlefords, Moose Jaw. I was right in that Saskaton, Westview, Eastview and Churchill-Wildwoods go NDP. For the NDP to win low-hanging rural ridings, the swing is going to have to be closer to 20% then eh.

Yes, uniform swing.

Interestingly, the lowest hanging fruit rural riding for the NDP is Batoche, which hasn't gone NDP since 1995. It appears to have a high FN population, and less resource dependent as ridings in the NW like Meadow Lake which saw a huge swing to the SP in 2016.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: Jeppe on September 08, 2017, 11:05:19 AM
Saskatoon showed pretty mild swings compared to Regina and rest of Saskatchewan in polling, so that's one thing to take into account. Saskatoon's swing to the NDP has been the smallest, compared to Regina and the rest of Saskatchewan. If a by-election happened in say, Regina Coronation Park, then we'd probably have seen some crazy 20+ point swings, that would indicate the NDP winning the popular vote province-wide.

The Sask Party is likely going to have an even tougher time in the years ahead, without Brad Wall. It's hard to understate exactly how important Brad Wall has been to the Sask Party brand. He's been the face of the party for a generation now, and the people running to replace him are all unknowns.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on September 08, 2017, 11:16:51 AM
Well this is all very pleasant :)

As for the issue of swings, don't forget that if there is a large swing then they tend to be highest where there is most room to swing. Decent chance that even if Regina swings more than Saskatoon that Regina swings by less than the rural parts of the province.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: lilTommy on September 08, 2017, 11:31:52 AM
We saw a big swing yesterday, but it wouldn't be enough to win the election for the NDP:

()

No rural ridings drop, and there are still a few urban holdouts for the Sask Party.

Was this a uniform swing? what numbers did you use?
Looking a lot more like 2003 though, your seeing the smaller cities start to swing NDP (The Battlefords, Moose Jaw. I was right in that Saskaton, Westview, Eastview and Churchill-Wildwoods go NDP. For the NDP to win low-hanging rural ridings, the swing is going to have to be closer to 20% then eh.

Yes, uniform swing.

Interestingly, the lowest hanging fruit rural riding for the NDP is Batoche, which hasn't gone NDP since 1995. It appears to have a high FN population, and less resource dependent as ridings in the NW like Meadow Lake which saw a huge swing to the SP in 2016.
Another interesting one, going by the colour variants, is Last Mountain-Touchwood, north of Regina. Looks surprisingly competitive.



Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on September 08, 2017, 11:50:06 AM
We saw a big swing yesterday, but it wouldn't be enough to win the election for the NDP:

()

No rural ridings drop, and there are still a few urban holdouts for the Sask Party.

Was this a uniform swing? what numbers did you use?
Looking a lot more like 2003 though, your seeing the smaller cities start to swing NDP (The Battlefords, Moose Jaw. I was right in that Saskaton, Westview, Eastview and Churchill-Wildwoods go NDP. For the NDP to win low-hanging rural ridings, the swing is going to have to be closer to 20% then eh.

Yes, uniform swing.

Interestingly, the lowest hanging fruit rural riding for the NDP is Batoche, which hasn't gone NDP since 1995. It appears to have a high FN population, and less resource dependent as ridings in the NW like Meadow Lake which saw a huge swing to the SP in 2016.
Another interesting one, going by the colour variants, is Last Mountain-Touchwood, north of Regina. Looks surprisingly competitive.



That's more to do with the fact that the PC leader (and former MLA) ran there in 2016 and won 10% of the vote. Unless he runs again, you can just add that 10% to the SP, making the riding uncompetative.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: 136or142 on September 08, 2017, 02:50:34 PM
We saw a big swing yesterday, but it wouldn't be enough to win the election for the NDP:

No rural ridings drop, and there are still a few urban holdouts for the Sask Party.

Was this a uniform swing? what numbers did you use?
Looking a lot more like 2003 though, your seeing the smaller cities start to swing NDP (The Battlefords, Moose Jaw. I was right in that Saskaton, Westview, Eastview and Churchill-Wildwoods go NDP. For the NDP to win low-hanging rural ridings, the swing is going to have to be closer to 20% then eh.

Yes, uniform swing.

Interestingly, the lowest hanging fruit rural riding for the NDP is Batoche, which hasn't gone NDP since 1995. It appears to have a high FN population, and less resource dependent as ridings in the NW like Meadow Lake which saw a huge swing to the SP in 2016.
Another interesting one, going by the colour variants, is Last Mountain-Touchwood, north of Regina. Looks surprisingly competitive.



Well, touchwood on that happening.  I hope you are right, but I think you are experiencing irrational exuberance. 


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: adma on September 08, 2017, 11:00:02 PM
How about Swift Current?  After all, it's been held by the NDP before (most recently during the 1991-99 Romanow majority years).  And even if they don't win, in Brad Wall's absence the NDP's almost certain to have one of its highest swings here, if not *the* highest swing...


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: mileslunn on September 08, 2017, 11:27:39 PM
How about Swift Current?  After all, it's been held by the NDP before (most recently during the 1991-99 Romanow majority years).  And even if they don't win, in Brad Wall's absence the NDP's almost certain to have one of its highest swings here, if not *the* highest swing...

It's like much of rural Southern Saskatchewan trended heavily Saskatchewan Party although agree without Brad Wall will be much closer.  I believe the Tories federally though got over 60% there so a lot will depend on whether the party plunges further or rebounds.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: Jeppe on September 09, 2017, 07:07:59 AM
How about Swift Current?  After all, it's been held by the NDP before (most recently during the 1991-99 Romanow majority years).  And even if they don't win, in Brad Wall's absence the NDP's almost certain to have one of its highest swings here, if not *the* highest swing...

Swift Current is an interesting one because it is an entirely urban constituency. I've lived there before and it's not exactly the most well off place in the province, and a lot of people automatically just voted for Brad Wall because he was the premier and it was his hometown, the place where he'd lived his entire life. The highest swings will probably happen in Regina though, since they're going from losing the city by a few points to winning 2 to 1.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: DC Al Fine on September 09, 2017, 08:03:05 AM
How about Swift Current?  After all, it's been held by the NDP before (most recently during the 1991-99 Romanow majority years).  And even if they don't win, in Brad Wall's absence the NDP's almost certain to have one of its highest swings here, if not *the* highest swing...

It's like much of rural Southern Saskatchewan trended heavily Saskatchewan Party although agree without Brad Wall will be much closer.  I believe the Tories federally though got over 60% there so a lot will depend on whether the party plunges further or rebounds.

Even comparing 2015 to 2004, the Tories are up 5-10% in Swift Current.  It's definitely harder for the NDP to do well there than in 1995.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: adma on September 09, 2017, 11:10:45 PM
Even comparing 2015 to 2004, the Tories are up 5-10% in Swift Current.  It's definitely harder for the NDP to do well there than in 1995.

In this case especially, highest swing does not necessarily mean winning swing.  And it also depends on the respective candidates on offer.

As far as federal-result comparisons go, remember that a Con-ward "push effect" is in place for Cypress Hills-Grasslands that wouldn't be so marked for a provincial-style Swift Current standalone.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 14, 2017, 10:07:19 AM
RIP: Scarborough-Agincourt Grit MP Arnold Chan has died of cancer at 50. (http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/liberal-mp-arnold-chan-dies-1.3589387)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on September 14, 2017, 10:15:16 AM
RIP: Scarborough-Agincourt Grit MP Arnold Chan has died of cancer at 50. (http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/liberal-mp-arnold-chan-dies-1.3589387)
Extremely sad. RIP.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: Jeppe on September 14, 2017, 10:45:35 AM
Scarborough Agincourt could be a competitive by-election, it was somewhat close for a GTA seat, and the huge Chinese community could turn against the Liberal party because of tax changes and marijuana legalization.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on September 14, 2017, 12:12:31 PM
Hmm, we did see a 6 point swing in the Markham-Thornhill by-election, and it is only about 1/3 Chinese. Agincourt is nearly half Chinese, and the same swing would put the Tories within 3 points of the Liberals there.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: DC Al Fine on September 17, 2017, 06:40:14 AM
Hmm, we did see a 6 point swing in the Markham-Thornhill by-election, and it is only about 1/3 Chinese. Agincourt is nearly half Chinese, and the same swing would put the Tories within 3 points of the Liberals there.

Polls in Ontario more or less match the 2015 result, so it will be a question of how motivated the Tory and Liberal voters are, and how much Toronto-area Chinese people have trended CPC. Turnout spiked last election, and those voters likely favoured Trudeau. I'm not so sure those folks will show up for a by-election.

All things considered, there's still a sizeable lead for the Tories to overcome, and the polls haven't moved much from 2015. I say the Liberals narrowly hold on to the seat.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on September 17, 2017, 12:06:31 PM
Polls will not pick up on swings among ethnic communities, though. They don't respond to polls as much as the general public, and even if they did, you wouldn't see a big shift in province-wide polling.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: Jeppe on September 17, 2017, 12:51:09 PM
Polls will not pick up on swings among ethnic communities, though. They don't respond to polls as much as the general public, and even if they did, you wouldn't see a big shift in province-wide polling.

I imagine legalization is really going to hurt the Liberals in this riding. There's probably no stronger anti-drug demographic in Canada.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: DC Al Fine on September 17, 2017, 05:02:25 PM
Polls will not pick up on swings among ethnic communities, though. They don't respond to polls as much as the general public, and even if they did, you wouldn't see a big shift in province-wide polling.

Sure. I just meant there will likely be little to no swing in the white vote to help put the Tories over the top.

Also, I just noticed that about 15% of the riding is South Asian. Have they trended any further away form the Tories since 2015? If so that might provide some headwinds for them.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: Jeppe on September 17, 2017, 06:07:07 PM
Polls will not pick up on swings among ethnic communities, though. They don't respond to polls as much as the general public, and even if they did, you wouldn't see a big shift in province-wide polling.

Sure. I just meant there will likely be little to no swing in the white vote to help put the Tories over the top.

Also, I just noticed that about 15% of the riding is South Asian. Have they trended any further away form the Tories since 2015? If so that might provide some headwinds for them.

If Singh wins the NDP leadership race, they'll probably swing hard to the NDP. My assumption would be that they voted Liberal in 2015, so the Liberals could really be in hot water in this by-election.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 17, 2017, 07:38:02 PM
Lac-Saint-Jean and Sturgeon River-Parkland set for Oct. 23. (https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/federal-by-elections-set-for-conservative-held-ridings-in-quebec-and-alberta/article36287033/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&cmpid=rss1&click=sf_globe)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: mileslunn on September 19, 2017, 01:19:48 PM
Lac-Saint-Jean and Sturgeon River-Parkland set for Oct. 23. (https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/federal-by-elections-set-for-conservative-held-ridings-in-quebec-and-alberta/article36287033/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&cmpid=rss1&click=sf_globe)

Sturgeon River-Parkland should be an easy Conservative hold.  Lac Saint Jean will be the more interesting.  With the Liberals well ahead in Quebec and a strong candidate they have an excellent chance at picking it up, mind you this is probably one of the least Liberal friendly ridings in Quebec.  I believe in 1995, this riding voted 2/3 Yes.  NDP and BQ could theoretically be competitive, but they both seem in fairly bad shape in Quebec and for the Tories this was more a Lebel riding than Conservative one as in the last election they did quite poorly in all the neighbouring ridings.  Their support is more in around Quebec City where they still might be competitive, but it seems any riding more than 100km outside Quebec City is probably off limits for them which would include Lac Saint Jean.

Of the ones not called, Battlefords-Lloydminster should be an easy Tory hold while Bonavista-Trinity-Burin easy Liberal hold.  Scarborough-Agincourt leans Liberals and if they still where they are in the polls they are fine, but if things tighten then there is an outside chance the Tories could pull off an upset.  In 2011 it stayed Liberal more due to Jim Karygiannis and had he not run I think the Tories would have won it, although lost it in 2015.  Likewise provincially I could definitely see Scarborough-Agincourt going PC if the current numbers hold.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 20, 2017, 07:40:36 AM
Singh says he's open to Scarborough advice, but prefers Brampton/Mississauga or Windsor for a seat. (http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/jagmeet-singh-on-taking-on-trudeau-winning-over-quebec-and-being-sufficiently-electable)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: 136or142 on September 20, 2017, 08:14:51 AM
Singh says he's open to Scarborough advice, but prefers Brampton/Mississauga or Windsor for a seat. (http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/jagmeet-singh-on-taking-on-trudeau-winning-over-quebec-and-being-sufficiently-electable)

It would be funny (and excellent) if Pierre Nantel left federal politics to run for the PQ provincially and then Jagmeet Singh ran and won in Nantel's riding. :)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on September 20, 2017, 11:36:42 AM
Running in Agincourt would be a bad idea; wrong part of Scarborough for him to win in.  Do you think one of the Windsor MPs will step down for him? I'm worried that might not go over so well.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: mileslunn on September 20, 2017, 12:29:44 PM
Running in Agincourt would be a bad idea; wrong part of Scarborough for him to win in.  Do you think one of the Windsor MPs will step down for him? I'm worried that might not go over so well.

Any chance one of those might decide to run provincially as I am thinking of one of the eight Ontario MPs steps down to go provincial that could create an opening.  Of the upcoming by-elections, none of them are exactly seats the NDP is likely to win.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: Jeppe on September 20, 2017, 12:37:03 PM
Running in Agincourt would be a bad idea; wrong part of Scarborough for him to win in.  Do you think one of the Windsor MPs will step down for him? I'm worried that might not go over so well.

Any chance one of those might decide to run provincially as I am thinking of one of the eight Ontario MPs steps down to go provincial that could create an opening.  Of the upcoming by-elections, none of them are exactly seats the NDP is likely to win.

Being an MP is a lot more prestigious than being an MPP, so it's pretty unlikely. If somebody stepped aside for Jagmeet, it'd probably be an older member who has served a few terms already.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: mileslunn on September 20, 2017, 01:18:36 PM
Running in Agincourt would be a bad idea; wrong part of Scarborough for him to win in.  Do you think one of the Windsor MPs will step down for him? I'm worried that might not go over so well.

Any chance one of those might decide to run provincially as I am thinking of one of the eight Ontario MPs steps down to go provincial that could create an opening.  Of the upcoming by-elections, none of them are exactly seats the NDP is likely to win.

True, but Wynne is extremely unpopular and not just on the right, but also left so the NDP is in better position to hold the balance of power if the Liberals only get a minority, form official opposition (and win when Ontario tires of the PCs) if the Liberals implode on both sides, or even if Brown messes up badly win outright.  By contrast Trudeau is fairly popular amongst progressives so defeating him or even forming official opposition seem highly unlikely.  Yes he might get reduced to a minority but even that is probably less than a 50% chance.  So even with lower salary and prestige things are looking better provincially for both opposition parties than they do federally.

He could also look to Saskatchewan or Manitoba as while those don't have their elections until 2020 the NDP in both provinces is likely to perform better than they did last time around and in the case of Saskatchewan they have a decent shot at winning outright while Manitoba is probably more difficult but not impossible.

Being an MP is a lot more prestigious than being an MPP, so it's pretty unlikely. If somebody stepped aside for Jagmeet, it'd probably be an older member who has served a few terms already.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: DC Al Fine on September 20, 2017, 04:48:00 PM
Running in Agincourt would be a bad idea; wrong part of Scarborough for him to win in.  Do you think one of the Windsor MPs will step down for him? I'm worried that might not go over so well.

I doubt it. Brian Masse is under fifty and Cheryl Hardcastle  is a first termer.

Actually, this goes to show how narrow the NDP's options are for giving a leader a seat. If we filter down to seats where the NDP MP is in their 3rd term or later and won by at least 10% ( a decent proxy for leader byelection material) we get:

Outremont
Windsor West
Edmonton-Strathcona
Skeena—Bulkley Valley

Not exactly a great list. Edmonton-Strathcona would be the best bet IMO.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: mileslunn on September 20, 2017, 05:27:36 PM
Running in Agincourt would be a bad idea; wrong part of Scarborough for him to win in.  Do you think one of the Windsor MPs will step down for him? I'm worried that might not go over so well.

I doubt it. Brian Masse is under fifty and Cheryl Hardcastle  is a first termer.

Actually, this goes to show how narrow the NDP's options are for giving a leader a seat. If we filter down to seats where the NDP MP is in their 3rd term or later and won by at least 10% ( a decent proxy for leader byelection material) we get:

Outremont
Windsor West
Edmonton-Strathcona
Skeena—Bulkley Valley

Not exactly a great list. Edmonton-Strathcona would be the best bet IMO.


Outremont was more a Mulcair seat than NDP so I actually think there is a real risk it would flip to the Liberals.  Edmonton-Strathcona looks safe, but not sure what impact the current provincial NDP government would have although it seems Notley is doing fine in Edmonton just unpopular elsewhere.  Skeena-Bulkley Valley is more a Nathan Cullen although with its large aboriginal population and being fairly rural doesn't seem like one either the Tories or Liberals would snatch.  The real danger there is it would have to be done in the next year while the provincial NDP government is still reasonably popular since if the BC NDP tanks in the polls (not saying they will, but cannot be ruled out) that could have a negative spillover federally.

That being said if there is a strong bounce in the polls after Singh winning I could easily see some NDP MP willing to give up a relatively safe seat in the interest of the party and then in 2019 try and make a comeback when Singh runs in Brampton East.  In many ways not too dissimilar to Scott Brison giving up Kings-Hants for Joe Clark, but then returning in 2000.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: DL on September 20, 2017, 05:38:45 PM

Actually, this goes to show how narrow the NDP's options are for giving a leader a seat. If we filter down to seats where the NDP MP is in their 3rd term or later and won by at least 10% ( a decent proxy for leader byelection material) we get:

Outremont
Windsor West
Edmonton-Strathcona
Skeena—Bulkley Valley


You forgot Hamilton Centre whgere Dave Christopherson is quite old and has been there since 2004...and he won pretty easily in 2015


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: DC Al Fine on September 20, 2017, 06:13:44 PM

Actually, this goes to show how narrow the NDP's options are for giving a leader a seat. If we filter down to seats where the NDP MP is in their 3rd term or later and won by at least 10% ( a decent proxy for leader byelection material) we get:

Outremont
Windsor West
Edmonton-Strathcona
Skeena—Bulkley Valley


You forgot Hamilton Centre whgere Dave Christopherson is quite old and has been there since 2004...and he won pretty easily in 2015

Yes, you're right. My mistake.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 20, 2017, 09:06:31 PM
South Surrey-White Rock: Watts quitting to run for the provincial Grit leadership.  (https://globalnews.ca/news/3759980/dianne-watts-bc-liberal-leadership/)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: mileslunn on September 20, 2017, 09:11:55 PM
South Surrey-White Rock: Watts quitting to run for the provincial Grit leadership.  (https://globalnews.ca/news/3759980/dianne-watts-bc-liberal-leadership/)

Beat me too it.  As a popular mayor of Surrey she definitely is one to watch and although no guarantee she will win the BC Liberal leadership let alone the next provincial election, she is definitely one to watch.  Probably rightly figured the odds of the BC Liberals winning the next election are better than the federal Tories (note she likely would get a cabinet position if they won and she was MP).

In terms of odds, this is normally a fairly safe conservative riding, but the Liberals almost won it last time and considering how they did in neighbouring ridings I suspect the Liberals would have won it if she weren't the candidate.  Likewise since Liberal support has held up in BC and Tory support hasn't rebounded, I think there is a very real possibility of a Liberal pick up.  The only thing the Tories really have in their favour is by-election turnout is typically quite low and their base is more likely to show up so they tend to fair better when turnout is low than high.  Should be interesting to watch.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: 136or142 on September 20, 2017, 09:19:26 PM
South Surrey-White Rock: Watts quitting to run for the provincial Grit leadership.  (https://globalnews.ca/news/3759980/dianne-watts-bc-liberal-leadership/)

Not to go too far off topic, but from the B.C perspective, this likely explains why no Liberal M.L.A had entered the leadership race (which is only around 4 months away): they were all waiting to see what Dianne Watts would decide.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: mileslunn on September 20, 2017, 09:27:11 PM
South Surrey-White Rock: Watts quitting to run for the provincial Grit leadership.  (https://globalnews.ca/news/3759980/dianne-watts-bc-liberal-leadership/)

Not to go too far off topic, but from the B.C perspective, this likely explains why no Liberal M.L.A had entered the leadership race (which is only around 4 months away): they were all waiting to see what Dianne Watts would decide.


I wonder if Ben Stewart will step down as candidate as she will need a seat and since Kelowna West is a very safe BC Liberal seat it would seem logical for the next leader to run there if they don't already have.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: adma on September 21, 2017, 12:03:43 AM
Outremont was more a Mulcair seat than NDP so I actually think there is a real risk it would flip to the Liberals.

Actually, Outremont, thanks to its "urban progressive" base, was the NDP's strongest QC seat over the Alexa/Layton years; and that was prime reasoning behind Mulcair's running there in the first place.  If it now seems "more Mulcair than NDP", it's thanks to the Justin Liberals repatriating the urban progressives--Mulcair "saved" Outremont in 2015 in much the same way that Justin "saved" Papineau in 2011.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on September 21, 2017, 10:08:25 AM
Outremont was more a Mulcair seat than NDP so I actually think there is a real risk it would flip to the Liberals.

Actually, Outremont, thanks to its "urban progressive" base, was the NDP's strongest QC seat over the Alexa/Layton years; and that was prime reasoning behind Mulcair's running there in the first place.  If it now seems "more Mulcair than NDP", it's thanks to the Justin Liberals repatriating the urban progressives--Mulcair "saved" Outremont in 2015 in much the same way that Justin "saved" Papineau in 2011.

This is correct. There really are no "NDP seats" in Quebec. Outremont is as close as you're going to get to one. As evidenced by the last two elections though, it definitely has a lower ceiling than other ridings in the province, due to being home to more habitual Liberal voting populations...


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: adma on September 21, 2017, 11:22:30 PM

This is correct. There really are no "NDP seats" in Quebec. Outremont is as close as you're going to get to one. As evidenced by the last two elections though, it definitely has a lower ceiling than other ridings in the province, due to being home to more habitual Liberal voting populations...


Or at least, it was as close as you *were* going to get to one in the 90s/00s, with Mile End being the base of their (and later Quebec Solidaire's) support.

One thing that helped is that Outremont was actually more of a Liberal-Bloc marginal, which gave the pre-Mulcair NDP hope of coming up through the middle.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: Krago on September 22, 2017, 08:41:23 AM
Outremont, 2006 general election

Liberal - red, BQ - purple, NDP - orange, Conservative - blue

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Outremont, 2008 general election

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Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 25, 2017, 05:46:11 AM
Scarborough-Agincourt: Grits are waiting to hear if Jean Yip, Chan's widow, will run. (http://www.hilltimes.com/2017/09/25/prospective-liberal-nomination-candidates-scarborough-agincourt-awaiting-arnold-chans-widow-will-seek-nomination/119799)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: RogueBeaver on September 25, 2017, 10:24:02 AM
She's running. (https://twitter.com/abbas_rana1/status/912336464897363968)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: Jeppe on September 25, 2017, 04:16:01 PM
Grits probably hold it with Jean Yip. It'll be hard for the Conservative to attack the MP's widow without it crossing a line.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Saanich, BC council: Sept 23)
Post by: DC Al Fine on September 26, 2017, 04:42:10 AM
Grits probably hold it with Jean Yip. It'll be hard for the Conservative to attack the MP's widow without it crossing a line.

Oh, if there are attacks they will almost certainly be against Mr. Trudeau.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kamloops, BC mayor: Sept 30)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on September 29, 2017, 03:52:14 PM
My rundown of the by-election in Kamloops: http://canadianelectionatlas.blogspot.ca/2017/09/kamloops-mayoral-and-council-by.html

For progressives, we should be hoping Nancy Bepple is elected to city council, but I am fairly certain Ken Christian (endorsed by two high profile Liberals) will win the mayoral race.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Kamloops, BC mayor: Sept 30)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on October 01, 2017, 07:50:52 AM
Kamloops, mayor:

Ken Christian: 9274 (64%) - elected
Bill McQuarrie: 2661 (18%)
Stu Holland: 806 (6%)
Todd McLeod: 773 (5%)
Mike McKenzie: 518 (4%)
Glenn Hilke: 480 (3%)

Council

Kathy Sinclair: 3421 (12%) - elected
Ray Dhaliwal: 3292 (12%) - elected
Kevin Krueger: 3042 (11%)
Gerald Kenyon Watson: 2424 (9%)
Bill Sarai: 2182 (8%)
Leslie Lax: 2112 (8%)
Stephen Karpuk:1678 (6%)
Nancy Bepple: 1481 (5%)
13 others: 8194 (29%)

Turnout: 21% (down from 33% in 2014)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Louis-Hébert, QC provincial: Oct 2)
Post by: mileslunn on October 01, 2017, 05:02:07 PM
For Louis-Hebert provincially that should be interesting.  PLQ is favoured, but this could be the first indication if the uptick in CAQ support is real as this is riding where CAQ support usually tracks fairly close to the provincial average.  PQ has lost a lot of its support in Quebec City while PLQ is competitive and CAQ is too.  CAQ does though much like the federal Tories tend to do better in the suburbs so areas to the north and east of here, but they could pull off an upset nonetheless.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Louis-Hébert, QC provincial: Oct 2)
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 02, 2017, 02:27:16 PM
Watts and Foote's seats are officially vacant. (https://twitter.com/rachaiello/status/914930668836196352)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Louis-Hébert, QC provincial: Oct 2)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on October 02, 2017, 04:13:31 PM
Didn't write much, but here is my blog post about today's by-election: http://canadianelectionatlas.blogspot.ca/2017/10/louis-hebert-by-election-today.html


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Louis-Hébert, QC provincial: Oct 2)
Post by: mileslunn on October 02, 2017, 04:23:12 PM
Watts and Foote's seats are officially vacant. (https://twitter.com/rachaiello/status/914930668836196352)

Foote's seat will be an easy Liberal hold.  Only thing interesting will be will it be as big a blowout as it was in 2015 or not.  Watt's seat however could flip to the Liberals as they dominated the Lower Mainland and probably would have won her seat if she were not the candidate.  That being said in 2006, 2008, and 2011, the Tories won it by big margins so this will be a test as to whether the Liberals are holding onto their gains in BC or are the Tories rebounding as polls of late seem a bit unclear which it is.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Louis-Hébert, QC provincial: Oct 2)
Post by: Poirot on October 02, 2017, 05:30:04 PM
For Louis-Hébert, I was listening to a preview on tv. It seems CAQ has a good chance of winning. They had a party paid poll (I think done by Mainstreet) done and they are ahead. So a good turnout is good for CAQ. Lib would need a low turnout to win. At 4 pm turnout was 33%.

Louis-Hébert was the ridign with the highest turnout last election. (from memory about 83%)
The rifding is higher income, higher education. A journalist suggested the Sam Hamad (who vacated the seat) loyalists could vote for the PCQ (Conservative), not voting for the opposition but not happy how Hamad was treated. The PCQ candidate works in the riding office of the CON Portneuf MP. She is a past candidate for mayor in Saint-Augustin. She was the CAQ riding president in Portneuf but left when the CAQ welcomed the PLQ riding president and became the CAQ candidarte for Portneuf.

Other candidates have also multi-party past. The PQ candidate had also QS membership up until the campaign began. The CAQ candidate was a PLQ member until maybe 2 years ago. She has worked for PLQ minister office in communication before. The PLQ candidate worked for Hamad in the Louis-Hébert riding office. She worked as volunteer when Hamad first got elected but between his first election and started working for him she was on the ADQ riding executive for five months. Some suspect she was spying.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Louis-Hébert, QC provincial: Oct 2)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on October 02, 2017, 05:36:18 PM
Not surprising, as the CAQ and the PLQ are essentially the same ideologically these days.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Louis-Hébert, QC provincial: Oct 2)
Post by: Poirot on October 02, 2017, 05:58:10 PM
The Louis-Hébert campaign started and the two party with a shot at winning had to change candidates.
https://looniepolitics.com/scandal-plagues-start-of-quebec-by-election/ (https://looniepolitics.com/scandal-plagues-start-of-quebec-by-election/)
(Contrary to what Bélanger wrote the riding does not include Sillery and Laval University, maybe he was thinking of the federal riding)

The CAQ candidate is young, pregnant and good at communications. She works for the Coroner's office, did media relations when there were tragedies. She claims some ooponents have raised the maternity leave against her (taking maternity leave in a couple monts for a 1 year mandate) Uses Integrety on her signs.

The Liberal candidate is said to be the 8th choice of the party. Good when meeting people but not in media. Had a facebook posting supporting covered face at citizenship ceremony. Sam Hamad was not at her nomination and I don't think publicly supported his 10 year riding assistant. After the fiasco of the PLQ candidate withdrawing, Couillard changed chief of staff, was blamed for this and caucus doesn't seem to like him.

PLQ has face problems. Local issues are improvong traffic and a paint plant that odor pollute and got many environment infracyions. PLQ pledge to extend a highway but a decade old government report states it's not a good idea. Just over the weekend Couillard promised the paint plant would move. Nathalie Normandeau, a former PLQ vice premier (facing corruption charges) and now radio host told people to vote CAQ. Among her criticisms she doesn't like the systemic racism commission.

http://www.journaldequebec.com/2017/09/28/normandeau-invite-les-quebecois-a-voter-pour-la-caq (http://www.journaldequebec.com/2017/09/28/normandeau-invite-les-quebecois-a-voter-pour-la-caq)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Louis-Hébert, QC provincial: Oct 2)
Post by: Krago on October 02, 2017, 07:14:55 PM
I take a personal interest in the goings-on of Louis-Hebert, since the man himself was my great (x12th?) grandfather.  Of course, he is also related to half of the province.

Given the lack of enthusiasm for the PLQ, does the NDPQ stand a chance of reaching double digits?  Or will they get a more fringe-y 1-2%?


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Louis-Hébert, QC provincial: Oct 2)
Post by: Poirot on October 02, 2017, 07:50:51 PM
I take a personal interest in the goings-on of Louis-Hebert, since the man himself was my great (x12th?) grandfather.  Of course, he is also related to half of the province.

Given the lack of enthusiasm for the PLQ, does the NDPQ stand a chance of reaching double digits?  Or will they get a more fringe-y 1-2%?

I don't know if I have L-Hébert in my ancestry.

NDPQ probably fringe. Probably no budget and maybe there is a lack of exposure. Don't know locally but national media concentrate on 3 or 4 candidates. There are 10 candidates running, the leader of Parti Vert is running, there is a Option Nationale candidate, an Independent, a Equioe Autonomiste.

In some previous by-elections PLQ won but did not have great scores like in Saint-Henri or Verdun but other parties split the rest of vote. Will be interesting to see tonight if CAQ consolidates the change vote or it splits among numerous parties. It seems PQ would like to get the same score as the general election (18%). QS will probably increase its share.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Louis-Hébert, QC provincial: Oct 2)
Post by: Poirot on October 02, 2017, 07:55:10 PM
Results are starting to come in:

After 4 polling station CAQ is at 50%

https://resultats.dgeq.org/resultatsPreliminaires.en.html (https://resultats.dgeq.org/resultatsPreliminaires.en.html)

Preliminary voter turnout 53%


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Louis-Hébert, QC provincial: Oct 2)
Post by: Poirot on October 02, 2017, 08:08:18 PM
Still early but CAQ is over 50% and PLQ is running behind the PQ (who is near its vote share of last election). Sometimes there are a lot of Liberal votes in the advance polling stations but they are very far behind. Looks like a good chunk of PLQ vote of last election goes to CAQ and the other parties not much movement.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Louis-Hébert, QC provincial: Oct 2)
Post by: mileslunn on October 02, 2017, 08:15:44 PM
Unless all the polls reporting are along the edges of the riding in the North and West, I cannot see how this can be anything other than a CAQ win at this point.  Their lead is over 30 points and we already have 10% of the polls in.  Might tighten up, but I think the CAQ should win this.  2nd place will be interesting since if the PQ come in second that will be a huge embarrassment to the PLQ.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Louis-Hébert, QC provincial: Oct 2)
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 02, 2017, 08:24:38 PM
Calling it for CAQ.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Louis-Hébert, QC provincial: Oct 2)
Post by: Poirot on October 02, 2017, 08:25:05 PM
Disastrous for the PLQ so far losing, getting less than half of vote share of last election while CAQ doubles its share. Maybe PLQ will distance itself from PQ when other polls come in. Being close to third is a big slap in the face.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Louis-Hébert, QC provincial: Oct 2)
Post by: mileslunn on October 02, 2017, 08:55:32 PM
Looks like a yuge win for the CAQ.  While by-elections are different than general elections certainly this is a sign they are the main opposition to the PLQ.  QS fared rather poorly compared to polls although to be fair I suspect they are in single digits in most ridings outside of Montreal.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Louis-Hébert, QC provincial: Oct 2)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on October 02, 2017, 11:40:04 PM
Wow the NDP got 1.35%?  This experiment was a bad idea.  Only way it will work is if Tom Mulcair himself is leader. But I guess the Quebec Conservatives are also fringe...


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Louis-Hébert, QC provincial: Oct 2)
Post by: mileslunn on October 03, 2017, 01:51:03 AM
Wow the NDP got 1.35%?  This experiment was a bad idea.  Only way it will work is if Tom Mulcair himself is leader. But I guess the Quebec Conservatives are also fringe...

 Surprised the Conservatives though did better than the NDP as the CAQ is largely a conservative party philosophically.  It seems kind of like the PCs in Saskatchewan as opposed to the Saskatchewan Party.  By contrast while the PQ and QS are both social democratic parties, the NDP is a federalist social democratic one whereas those two are both separatists.  What is though lacking although not sure there is a market for it is a right wing separatist party.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Louis-Hébert, QC provincial: Oct 2)
Post by: DC Al Fine on October 03, 2017, 04:19:41 AM
Wow the NDP got 1.35%?  This experiment was a bad idea.  Only way it will work is if Tom Mulcair himself is leader. But I guess the Quebec Conservatives are also fringe...

They missed their opening. The party has been sitting inactive for years while the NDP has slid in the polls.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Louis-Hébert, QC provincial: Oct 2)
Post by: Tintrlvr on October 03, 2017, 01:45:14 PM
Wow the NDP got 1.35%?  This experiment was a bad idea.  Only way it will work is if Tom Mulcair himself is leader. But I guess the Quebec Conservatives are also fringe...

 Surprised the Conservatives though did better than the NDP as the CAQ is largely a conservative party philosophically.  It seems kind of like the PCs in Saskatchewan as opposed to the Saskatchewan Party.  By contrast while the PQ and QS are both social democratic parties, the NDP is a federalist social democratic one whereas those two are both separatists.  What is though lacking although not sure there is a market for it is a right wing separatist party.

The PQ is both a right-wing and a left-wing separatist party.

Anyway, this is not the riding in which to find left-wing federalists.

(On a related note, it is really confusing that the federal and provincial Louis-Hebert ridings are in totally different parts of Quebec. If you're going to name ridings after people, at least try to make them be in the same place!)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Louis-Hébert, QC provincial: Oct 2)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on October 03, 2017, 02:00:10 PM
Wow the NDP got 1.35%?  This experiment was a bad idea.  Only way it will work is if Tom Mulcair himself is leader. But I guess the Quebec Conservatives are also fringe...

 Surprised the Conservatives though did better than the NDP as the CAQ is largely a conservative party philosophically.  It seems kind of like the PCs in Saskatchewan as opposed to the Saskatchewan Party.  By contrast while the PQ and QS are both social democratic parties, the NDP is a federalist social democratic one whereas those two are both separatists.  What is though lacking although not sure there is a market for it is a right wing separatist party.

The PQ is both a right-wing and a left-wing separatist party.

Anyway, this is not the riding in which to find left-wing federalists.

(On a related note, it is really confusing that the federal and provincial Louis-Hebert ridings are in totally different parts of Quebec. If you're going to name ridings after people, at least try to make them be in the same place!)

??? They are both in Quebec City, and overlap.. though I loathe ridings named for people. Maybe you're thinking of Papineau?


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Vancouver City Council: Oct 14)
Post by: DL on October 03, 2017, 02:18:59 PM
FWIW Louis Hebert was once the PQ's strongest seat in the Quebec City area. The almost won it in 1973 and the won it by massive majorities in 1976 and 1981 when it was represented by Claude Morin - one of Levesque's closest confidantes.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Louis-Hébert, QC provincial: Oct 2)
Post by: Tintrlvr on October 03, 2017, 02:35:58 PM
Wow the NDP got 1.35%?  This experiment was a bad idea.  Only way it will work is if Tom Mulcair himself is leader. But I guess the Quebec Conservatives are also fringe...

 Surprised the Conservatives though did better than the NDP as the CAQ is largely a conservative party philosophically.  It seems kind of like the PCs in Saskatchewan as opposed to the Saskatchewan Party.  By contrast while the PQ and QS are both social democratic parties, the NDP is a federalist social democratic one whereas those two are both separatists.  What is though lacking although not sure there is a market for it is a right wing separatist party.

The PQ is both a right-wing and a left-wing separatist party.

Anyway, this is not the riding in which to find left-wing federalists.

(On a related note, it is really confusing that the federal and provincial Louis-Hebert ridings are in totally different parts of Quebec. If you're going to name ridings after people, at least try to make them be in the same place!)

??? They are both in Quebec City, and overlap.. though I loathe ridings named for people. Maybe you're thinking of Papineau?

For some reason I thought the federal one was near Montreal. Carry on :)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Vancouver City Council: Oct 14)
Post by: MaxQue on October 03, 2017, 02:45:13 PM
FWIW Louis Hebert was once the PQ's strongest seat in the Quebec City area. The almost won it in 1973 and the won it by massive majorities in 1976 and 1981 when it was represented by Claude Morin - one of Levesque's closest confidantes.

Then Louis-Hébert was much more to the east, too.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Vancouver City Council: Oct 14)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on October 03, 2017, 02:50:36 PM
FWIW Louis Hebert was once the PQ's strongest seat in the Quebec City area. The almost won it in 1973 and the won it by massive majorities in 1976 and 1981 when it was represented by Claude Morin - one of Levesque's closest confidantes.

Then Louis-Hébert was much more to the east, too.

Yeah, not the same riding at all. Jean-Talon covers what was then Louis-Hebert. Though, Jean-Talon is a fairly safe Liberal seat right now. Weird.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Vancouver City Council: Oct 14)
Post by: MaxQue on October 03, 2017, 04:21:09 PM
FWIW Louis Hebert was once the PQ's strongest seat in the Quebec City area. The almost won it in 1973 and the won it by massive majorities in 1976 and 1981 when it was represented by Claude Morin - one of Levesque's closest confidantes.

Then Louis-Hébert was much more to the east, too.

Yeah, not the same riding at all. Jean-Talon covers what was then Louis-Hebert. Though, Jean-Talon is a fairly safe Liberal seat right now. Weird.

Jean-Talon also includes very wealthy Sillery.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Vancouver City Council: Oct 14)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on October 03, 2017, 09:08:03 PM
FWIW Louis Hebert was once the PQ's strongest seat in the Quebec City area. The almost won it in 1973 and the won it by massive majorities in 1976 and 1981 when it was represented by Claude Morin - one of Levesque's closest confidantes.

Then Louis-Hébert was much more to the east, too.

Yeah, not the same riding at all. Jean-Talon covers what was then Louis-Hebert. Though, Jean-Talon is a fairly safe Liberal seat right now. Weird.

Jean-Talon also includes very wealthy Sillery.

That must be the difference, because Louis-Hebert didn't include Sillery back then (still doesn't, of course).


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Vancouver City Council: Oct 14)
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 04, 2017, 08:00:23 AM
Outremont: Mulcair sounds likely to quit by Christmas or even earlier. (https://thetyee.ca/News/2017/09/27/Mulcair-Looks-to-Christmas-Retirement/)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Vancouver City Council: Oct 14)
Post by: DL on October 04, 2017, 11:14:07 AM
FWIW Louis Hebert was once the PQ's strongest seat in the Quebec City area. The almost won it in 1973 and the won it by massive majorities in 1976 and 1981 when it was represented by Claude Morin - one of Levesque's closest confidantes.

Then Louis-Hébert was much more to the east, too.

Yeah, not the same riding at all. Jean-Talon covers what was then Louis-Hebert. Though, Jean-Talon is a fairly safe Liberal seat right now. Weird.

I'm not so sure about that. Jean Talon provincial riding has existed since 1970 and Louis-Hebert has always been largely the suburb of Ste. Foy


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Vancouver City Council: Oct 14)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on October 04, 2017, 11:53:27 AM
FWIW Louis Hebert was once the PQ's strongest seat in the Quebec City area. The almost won it in 1973 and the won it by massive majorities in 1976 and 1981 when it was represented by Claude Morin - one of Levesque's closest confidantes.

Then Louis-Hébert was much more to the east, too.

Yeah, not the same riding at all. Jean-Talon covers what was then Louis-Hebert. Though, Jean-Talon is a fairly safe Liberal seat right now. Weird.

I'm not so sure about that. Jean Talon provincial riding has existed since 1970 and Louis-Hebert has always been largely the suburb of Ste. Foy

Different parts of Ste-Foy. Louis-Hebert of 1976 only shares a small part of territory as today's Louis-Hebert:

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Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Vancouver City Council: Oct 14)
Post by: DL on October 04, 2017, 04:51:25 PM
So the current Jean Talon is more of a successor riding to the Louis Hebert 1976... but my point remains that back in the 70s and 80s that area was a PQ stronghold and these days the PQ is not at all competitive in either Louis Hebert or Jean Talon


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Vancouver City Council: Oct 14)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on October 12, 2017, 09:25:51 AM
Steve Kent (MHA for Mount Pearl North) has resigned. One of the few PC held seats in the province, so should be an easy hold for the Tories.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Vancouver City Council: Oct 14)
Post by: 136or142 on October 14, 2017, 10:14:20 PM
Vancouver municipal by-elections.  8:30, no results so far.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Vancouver City Council: Oct 14)
Post by: mileslunn on October 14, 2017, 10:21:37 PM
Steve Kent (MHA for Mount Pearl North) has resigned. One of the few PC held seats in the province, so should be an easy hold for the Tories.

True enough and also the Newfoundland Liberals have seen their popularity take a pretty big hit since the last election.  Whether it would be enough to defeat them or not is tough to say, but they've fallen enough much like the Saskatchewan Party that you would expect the PCs to not only hold what they have but pick up any marginal seats too. 


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Vancouver City Council: Oct 14)
Post by: 136or142 on October 14, 2017, 10:47:32 PM
3/53 polling stations reporting.  Hector Bremner leads the city council race with 41% of the vote.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Vancouver City Council: Oct 14)
Post by: 136or142 on October 14, 2017, 10:53:50 PM
5/53 polling stations reporting.  Hector Bremner leads with 36% of the vote.  Peter Fry in second with 19%


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Vancouver City Council: Oct 14)
Post by: 136or142 on October 14, 2017, 11:02:58 PM
10/53 polls.  Bremner jumps into a big lead with 42% of the vote, Fry in second with 17%.  Vision Vancouver's Diego Cardona at 9.6%

NPA has 5 of 9 school board positions, Green 3 and one Vision Vancouver.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Vancouver City Council: Oct 14)
Post by: 136or142 on October 14, 2017, 11:05:29 PM
14/53 stations.  8,552 ballots counted.  Bremner 40%, Fry 18%, Jean Swanson in third.  Vision Vancouver candidate now just over 10%.

No change for school board.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Vancouver City Council: Oct 14)
Post by: MaxQue on October 14, 2017, 11:06:22 PM
10/53 polls.  Bremner jumps into a big lead with 42% of the vote, Fry in second with 17%.  Vision Vancouver's Diego Cardona at 9.6%

NPA has 5 of 9 school board positions, Green 3 and one Vision Vancouver.

The orger is quite stable now. NPA, Green, leftovers of COPE, "OneCity" and then Vision


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Vancouver City Council: Oct 14)
Post by: 136or142 on October 14, 2017, 11:23:32 PM
25/53 polling stations reporting now.  19,457 votes out of 442,792 eligible.  Hopefully the advanced poll is large.

Hector Bremner still leads but has dropped to 33% while Pete Fry is up to 20%.  Unlikely Fry can catch up but it could still get interesting.

Vision Vancouver now up to 2 school board positions with the NPA dropping to 4.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Vancouver City Council: Oct 14)
Post by: 136or142 on October 14, 2017, 11:30:01 PM
32/53 polling stations.  Bremner 33% Fry 20%.  5.49% counted turnout so far.

No change for school board.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Vancouver City Council: Oct 14)
Post by: 136or142 on October 14, 2017, 11:37:28 PM
40/53 polling stations reporting. 32,084 counted ballots.  Bremner 32%, Pete Fry 20%, Jean Swanson 19%

No change for school board, but tight race for final spot between Vision Vancouver, NPA and One City.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Vancouver City Council: Oct 14)
Post by: 136or142 on October 14, 2017, 11:43:10 PM
45/53 polling stations reporting. 35,517 counted votes.  8.02% turnout.  (Sad)

Bremner 31%, Fry 20, Swanson 19%

No change for school board.


Sad is putting the turnout mildly. 


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Vancouver City Council: Oct 14)
Post by: mileslunn on October 14, 2017, 11:49:34 PM
Definitely not a good night for Vision Vancouver so while still a year away, it does seem Gregor Robertson may face greater headwinds although it still seems more voted left than right but split on the left.  Turnout 8.02% is pathetic.  BTW I voted despite the fact I had to drive in to the city as I am staying on Bowen Island for the next few weeks to do some dogsitting.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Vancouver City Council: Oct 14)
Post by: 136or142 on October 14, 2017, 11:52:48 PM
50/53 41,838 ballots counted.

Bremner 28.5%, Swanson 20.5% Fry 20%

3 Green, 3 Vision Vancouver, 2 NPA 1 One City on school board.  If that holds up it will be the Vancouver version of the old Italian Parliament.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Vancouver City Council: Oct 14)
Post by: 136or142 on October 14, 2017, 11:53:44 PM
Definitely not a good night for Vision Vancouver so while still a year away, it does seem Gregor Robertson may face greater headwinds although it still seems more voted left than right but split on the left.  Turnout 8.02% is pathetic.  BTW I voted despite the fact I had to drive in to the city as I am staying on Bowen Island for the next few weeks to do some dogsitting.

My new pet peeve:  there is no need to say 'the fact', or 'the fact that...'  "I voted despite having to drive..."


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Vancouver City Council: Oct 14)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on October 15, 2017, 12:11:52 AM
Talk about a massive vote split. NPA candidate wins with 28% of the vote. All the other major candidates are on the left, if you count the Greens as being on the left.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Vancouver City Council: Oct 14)
Post by: 136or142 on October 15, 2017, 12:16:47 AM
Final results.  48,645 ballots. 10.99% turnout.  (Elections Vancouver had hoped for 20-25%) I'm not sure much can be read into a by-election with such a low turnout.  This is about 1/3 of normal turnout to Vancouver municipal elections.

Hector Bremner, NPA 27.83%
Jean Swanson,  21.36%
Pete Fry, Green,  20.31%
Judy Graves, One City, 13.17%
Diego Cardona, Vision Vancouver, 11.26%

School board elected in order:
1.Janet Fraser, Green
2.Judy Zaichkowsky, Green
3.Esteillita Gonzalez, Green (Greens only ran three candidates)
4.Joy Alexander, Vision Vancouver
5.Allan Wong, Vision Vancouver
6.Lisa Dominato, NPA
7.Fraser Ballantyne, NPA
8.Carrie Bercic, One City
9.Ken Clement, Vision Vancouver

Janet Fraser, Joy Alexander, Allan Wong and Fraser Ballantyne served on the fired school board.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Vancouver City Council: Oct 14)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on October 15, 2017, 12:29:17 AM
Bad night for both the main parties.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Colchester Co., NS, Dist. 9: Oct 21)
Post by: mileslunn on October 22, 2017, 06:04:21 PM
What are the predictions here for tomorrow's federal ones?

Mine are:

Sturgeon River-Parkland: That is no brainer, easy Tory win.

Lac Saint Jean: This is the tougher one to predict and any of the four parties could pull off a win, but my prediction is a BQ pick up.  If you check my blog I have a more detailed analysis on what I think each party's chances are.  Tories maybe gaining in English Canada and Liberals declining there, but in Quebec it is the opposite.  Never mind this was a Denis Lebel riding not a Tory one and in fact of the 12 seats they won, this was the only one more than 100km outside Quebec City as it seems Tories are competitive within the 100km radius of Quebec City but largely irrelevant elsewhere in the province.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Colchester Co., NS, Dist. 9: Oct 21)
Post by: DC Al Fine on October 22, 2017, 08:09:34 PM
Ambrose's seat is going Tory. I'm guessing Liberal pick up in Lebel's spot


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Colchester Co., NS, Dist. 9: Oct 21)
Post by: the506 on October 22, 2017, 09:46:07 PM
Not sure where else to put this, but there's also a plebiscite on Monday on creating a new rural municipality west of Fredericton. My gut says it's probably going to fail.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/nb-plebiscite-rural-community-1.4364491


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Colchester Co., NS, Dist. 9: Oct 21)
Post by: Poirot on October 22, 2017, 09:59:34 PM
There are three MRC in the federal riding of Lac-Saint-Jean. Lac Saint-Jean Est (Alma), Maria-Chapdelaine (Dolbeau) and Domaine-du-Roy (Roberval). In the general election Lebel won the last two and Dallaire won Lac Saint-Jean Est.

A recent Ipsos poll in the province has the LPC at 43%, Bloc 20%, NDP 16%, CPC 15%. Biggest movement is LPC up and NDP down.

Rémy Leclerc (CPC) is from Roberval, He was a city councillor and has worked with Lebel for a decade and I think he was also his campaign organizer. Organization is important in a byelection. He is against cannabis legalization. A Segma poll in the nearby city of Saguenay found 70% oppose legalization but the pollster doubts it will be the ballot question and it will be more about having an MP in power. Lerclerc also made "promises" like reinstate tax credit for artistic and physical activity of children, eliminate income tax on parental leave, and make easier transfer of family farm to the next generation.

Marc Maltais is the Bloc canddiate. He started later than the others, confirming he would run around September 25th. He is a regional union eader from Alma. His local union supported the NDP in the last election but supports him now. Will benefit from the support of PQ MNA Alexandre Cloutier.

Gisèle Dallaire for the NDP is also from Alma. Probably can't do as well than the last election with the general trend.

Richard Hébert for the LPC just finished his mandate as Dolbeau mayor. He said his five priorities are stimulate the economy and create good jobs for the middle class in the region, improve quality of life for seniors and quality of health care and home care, support reduce tax rate for middle cass families and give more moneyto families with children, reduce tax rate for small business and ptoect jobs in industries like lumber, see that needs of the region are at the heart of decisons made in parliament.  (some look like last campaign promises)

He has the support of other mayors around his town and some business leaders from Alma. Trudeau camapigned with him last Thursday and Friday. It is the usual charm offensive, visit with his wife and a child to nursing homes, visit restaurants, went to a regional meeting of farmers to say he will defend supply management, met forestry workers and reasured them. So a lot of exposure just a couple days before the vote.  


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 23, 2017, 09:39:14 AM
Predicting Grits edge out the Bloc. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/grenier-byelection-lacsaintjean-1.4360232)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on October 23, 2017, 09:47:42 AM
Yes, I expect the Liberals will win too. Probably won't be that close either.

I suspect the Tories will win Roberval, but most of the Lac-Saint-Jean Ouest (former county & Couillard's riding) will go Liberal, while Lac-Saint-Jean Est will go BQ. How well the BQ does depends on how well they can GOTV in Alma.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: mileslunn on October 23, 2017, 04:40:46 PM
If the Liberals win Lac Saint Jean it will be a huge morale booster in what has been a tough few weeks.  While Quebec often goes in different directions than English Canada it will show they have the potential to pick up at least 25 seats in Quebec and with a 15 seat majority that would give them a strong cushion for losses elsewhere.  Even though the Liberals are ahead in Quebec, I am still a bit skeptical of them pulling this off as this is one of the least friendly Liberal ridings in the province.  Hasn't voted Liberal federally since 1980 and voted 2/3 in favour of sovereignty in the 95 referendum thus why I give the BQ a slight edge, but admit both the Liberals and BQ stand a better chance of winning this than either the Tories or NDP.

I think for the Tories their big tests are the next round of by-elections.  They will easily hold Battlefords-Lloydminster, but South Surrey-White Rock could be tough as Diane Watts was a very popular mayor of Surrey.  Nonetheless this is your middle class suburban riding and usually whomever wins those forms the government so if the Tories lose it, its probably a sign they are in trouble outside their strongholds.  Mind you they seem to be gaining more in Alberta, Ontario and Atlantic Canada, not so much in BC.  Alberta it doesn't really matter, mostly wasted votes while Ontario you have a very unpopular provincial Liberal government which is probably hurting them, but they will likely lose next June so not an albatross around the Liberals' neck next election.  In Atlantic Canada it is more of a dead cat bounce as the Tories are simply returning to their traditional floor; in 2015 they performed well below their previous worst showings so back towards their other bad showings minus 2015.  Scarborough-Agincourt will be interesting since if the Tories pull of an upset or even come close that could be a sign of possible gains in the GTA suburbs.  This riding has a large Chinese community whom I've heard marijuana legalization is quite unpopular amongst.

Bonavista-Burin-Trinity will be an easy Liberal win, rather it will be shifts.  If the Liberals stay over 70% that shows they are still very strong in Atlantic Canada, but if they fall below 60% could suggest some of their more marginal ones could be in trouble.  For the Tories if they fail to crack the 20% mark, then that means at best they might win a seat or two New Brunswick and another possible shut out.  If they get in the 20s, Tories win back traditional strongholds, but still end up with significantly fewer seats than Liberals while if they cross the 30% mark then that likely means that are once again competitive in Atlantic Canada.  In Battlefords-Lloydminster, I think who comes in second could be interesting as asides from the far North it is the urban ridings that matter.  Strong vote splits likely means they go Tory, but if the progressive vote coalesces around either side, they should dominate the two cities in Saskatchewan.  Unlike elsewhere usually the NDP not the Liberals are the main challenge so will be interesting to see who comes in second there.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: Jeppe on October 23, 2017, 05:31:41 PM
I don't think the Liberals will win. I'm not sure about my prediction, but I'm leaning towards the Bloc to pick up the seat.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: MaxQue on October 23, 2017, 07:05:10 PM
The Bloc won't win. Their base (unionised factory workers) in Alma will be split between the Bloc and the NDP.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: 136or142 on October 23, 2017, 07:25:38 PM
The Bloc won't win. Their base (unionised factory workers) in Alma will be split between the Bloc and the NDP.

I need to go to bed for awhile. I'd like to know why these by-elections couldn't have been timed to fit into my schedule.  :D


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: mileslunn on October 23, 2017, 08:11:49 PM
The Bloc won't win. Their base (unionised factory workers) in Alma will be split between the Bloc and the NDP.

I think the NDP will do worse than expected.  This is not an area where they have traditional strength and this is an area with a lot of old stock pure laine types so I think unfortunately for them Singh might be a liability.  That doesn't mean he will be everywhere in Quebec, I think on the Island of Montreal and the Gatineau area he could do quite well where people tend to be more open to those who are different.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: mileslunn on October 23, 2017, 08:51:09 PM
First poll in Sturgeon River-Parkland and Conservatives have yuge lead.  87.5% Conservative, 12.5% Liberal and 0% NDP.  Off course only 24 votes and probably a rural poll where you would expect those type of numbers.  I suspect in Spruce Grove and Stony Plain the Tories will win handidly, but not by those type of massive margins.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: mileslunn on October 23, 2017, 08:53:39 PM
BQ starting with a large lead after one poll in Lac Saint Jean.  Liberals in a distant second, NDP holding up better than I thought so far at 15% while Tories have fallen to fourth place.  But again it's one poll so don't read too much into it.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: mileslunn on October 23, 2017, 08:55:35 PM
Okay, its only five polls in, but I think it is safe to call Sturgeon River-Parkland for the Tories.  Not that this was ever in any doubt anyways.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: mileslunn on October 23, 2017, 09:07:06 PM
Things are starting to tighten in Lac Saint Jean, but at this point it is fair to say the Conservatives have lost it, the question is whether the BQ who are narrowly ahead pick it up or the Liberals who are closing the gap.  In Sturgeon River-Parkland, the Tories are flirting with the 80% mark and if you add in the Christian Heritage Party who is even further to the right it wouldn't surprise me if over 80% vote for parties on the right.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: Jeppe on October 23, 2017, 09:11:58 PM
It'll be interesting to see if the NDP can come ahead of the Liberals in Sturgeon River-Parkland. It would be a consolation prize after a devastating loss in Quebec, but a consolation prize nonetheless, better than walking away completely empty handed.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 23, 2017, 09:12:22 PM
CBC calls Sturgeon River-Parkland for the Tories. (https://twitter.com/musgravesharon/status/922646515109134336)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: mileslunn on October 23, 2017, 09:17:47 PM
It'll be interesting to see if the NDP can come ahead of the Liberals in Sturgeon River-Parkland. It would be a consolation prize after a devastating loss in Quebec, but a consolation prize nonetheless, better than walking away completely empty handed.

Probably not as in Alberta outside the cities, the provincial NDP is pretty loathed so I think the unpopularity of the provincial NDP will hurt them.  Not saying Notley is toast, but she has her work cut out and I doubt they will win many seats outside the cities anyways.  In Calgary most dislike the NDP but a sizeable minority like them whereas in Edmonton a majority approve of Notley, but in rural Alberta and this riding is more rural than urban, the anger is very strong.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: MaxQue on October 23, 2017, 09:19:08 PM
The Bloc won't win. Their base (unionised factory workers) in Alma will be split between the Bloc and the NDP.

I think the NDP will do worse than expected.  This is not an area where they have traditional strength and this is an area with a lot of old stock pure laine types so I think unfortunately for them Singh might be a liability.  That doesn't mean he will be everywhere in Quebec, I think on the Island of Montreal and the Gatineau area he could do quite well where people tend to be more open to those who are different.

Oh, NDP will do badly, I just thought the NDP/Bloc (their typical voters in Alma is the same person) split would make Bloc unable to get better than 2nd place.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: Jeppe on October 23, 2017, 09:23:34 PM
I think Bill 62 and a weakened NDP in Quebec is setting the stage for a Bloc comeback. I think the Bloc has this, unless all/most of the polls reporting are from Alma and the area.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: Jeppe on October 23, 2017, 09:29:46 PM
If the NDP lost 13% of their vote share in all their currently held Quebec seats, only Ruth Ellen Brosseau, Alexandre Boulerice, and Guy Caron would remain in the House (of course, this is before the 13% gets redistributed).


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: DL on October 23, 2017, 09:31:00 PM
I’m actually pleasantly surprised the NDP is making crédible showing with about 16% of the vote. I was afraid they would lose their deposit considering this is not a good area for them. It’s a bigger disaster for the Tories to come in a distant third in a riding they have held for 10 years and it’s also a major fiasco for the Liberals. They were expected to win and they spent MILLIONS. In the riding and had a strong candidate. Rural Quebec ridings have a bit of a history of swinging to the government party since they Expect to get lots of goodies. That is how the Tories won in the first place in 2007


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: MaxQue on October 23, 2017, 09:35:31 PM
If the NDP lost 13% of their vote share in all their currently held Quebec seats, only Ruth Ellen Brosseau, Alexandre Boulerice, and Guy Caron would remain in the House (of course, this is before the 13% gets redistributed).

Through:

1. That part of Quebec is probably one of the worst for Singh.
2. The race was sold in Quebec media as a Lib-Con-Bloc race. I suspect races with NDP incumbents would, at the very least, be described as NDP-something-(something) races.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: DL on October 23, 2017, 09:36:19 PM
If the NDP lost 13% of their vote share in all their currently held Quebec seats, only Ruth Ellen Brosseau, Alexandre Boulerice, and Guy Caron would remain in the House (of course, this is before the 13% gets redistributed).

the CPC vote is down about 15 points. How many of their 12 Quebec seats would they be left with on a uniform swing like that?


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: MaxQue on October 23, 2017, 09:36:20 PM
I think Bill 62 and a weakened NDP in Quebec is setting the stage for a Bloc comeback. I think the Bloc has this, unless all/most of the polls reporting are from Alma and the area.

Bloc lead is down to 44 votes.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: Boston Bread on October 23, 2017, 09:38:31 PM
Liberals have taken the lead.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: DL on October 23, 2017, 09:39:38 PM
Liberal is up slightly


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: Poirot on October 23, 2017, 09:45:34 PM
Maybe the first results were more from the Alma side.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: mileslunn on October 23, 2017, 09:47:33 PM
If the NDP lost 13% of their vote share in all their currently held Quebec seats, only Ruth Ellen Brosseau, Alexandre Boulerice, and Guy Caron would remain in the House (of course, this is before the 13% gets redistributed).

the CPC vote is down about 15 points. How many of their 12 Quebec seats would they be left with on a uniform swing like that?

Probably most, mind you if you look at a map of their support last election, Lac Saint Jean was the only riding outside the Quebec City region.  I would suspect their numbers if not for Lebel would be similar to Jonquiere-Alma and Chicoutimi which so far they appear to be.  Now a by-election in one of the Quebec City area ones would be a better indicator if they are tanking throughout Quebec or still holding in their island of support.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: mileslunn on October 23, 2017, 09:48:33 PM
Looking food for the Liberals, but still want to wait but for we get closer.  Even though I predicted a BQ win, I always thought it would be a BQ-Liberal race, Tories in third and NDP in fourth and that seems to be what is transpiring.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: mileslunn on October 23, 2017, 09:59:14 PM
Liberals pulling further ahead and BQ falling behind while Conservatives are moving up a bit although not nearly enough to win, maybe second if they are really lucky but unlikely.  While not quite ready to call it, if the Liberal lead stays or grows over the next few polls I think we can call it for them.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: adma on October 23, 2017, 10:01:12 PM
Right now, the Bloc's closer to the Cons than to the Libs.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: mileslunn on October 23, 2017, 10:05:13 PM
At this point, I think it is safe to call Lac Saint Jean for the Liberals.  The odds of the BQ and especially the Conservatives overcoming such gap is pretty slim.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: mileslunn on October 23, 2017, 10:13:44 PM
Since Denis Lebel won more on a name than party I thought I would compare to neighbouring Jonquiere and Chicoutimi Le Fjord.

The Liberals either won or came close and in both cases got around 30% so they are doing slightly better but one needs to be careful about assuming this means a massive swing, if Lebel wasn't running they probably would have got around that.  Nonetheless it's a big enough swing they would probably still get 60 seats in Quebec which would give them a much stronger cushion and also make it very hard for the Conservatives to beat them in seats.

For the BQ they are doing as expected.

For the Tories, the results on the surface look horrible, but in Chicoutimi-Le Fjord and Jonquiere they only got 16-17% which they are outperforming.  That being said the Conservatives have their work cut out for them in Quebec and they would be lucky just to hold what they currently have forget about picking up new seats in Quebec.  And without Quebec majority is extremely difficult to get (what happened in 2011 will be tough to repeat).  Likewise without the NDP or Bloc Quebecois challenging the Liberals, that makes getting a minority tough as in 2006 when they first came to power the Bloc took most of Quebec since had the Liberals won 40 instead of 13 seats in Quebec, that would have been enough to hang onto power even if results in Rest of Canada were unchanged.  Heck in 2008, if the Liberals got 60 seats instead of 14 it would be 143 Cons to 123 Libs so the ill fated coalition attempt probably would have faced much less backlash and gone through.

For the NDP not a good showing as they averaged close to 30% in the two neighbouring ridings that being said they still got in the teens so are doing better than they were here in 2004, 2006, and 2008 and I think Montreal is probably where their best chances are rather than the regions of Quebec.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: MaxQue on October 23, 2017, 10:17:57 PM
Since Denis Lebel won more on a name than party I thought I would compare to neighbouring Jonquiere and Chicoutimi Le Fjord.

Both of these are cities, while this is mainly rural.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: mileslunn on October 23, 2017, 10:19:48 PM
Since Denis Lebel won more on a name than party I thought I would compare to neighbouring Jonquiere and Chicoutimi Le Fjord.

Both of these are cities, while this is mainly rural.

True enough, although Liberals won Saint Maurice-Champlain so while agree they would have done slightly worse probably I think it's fair to say the Tories would have not won this if not for Lebel in 2015.

Interestingly enough it looks like they still might come in second as the gap between the BQ and Tories is closing while Liberals widening.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: mileslunn on October 23, 2017, 10:27:10 PM
CBC has now called Lac Saint Jean for the Liberals.  While I doubt this will give much of a boost to national numbers, I do think this will be a huge morale booster for the Liberal caucus who have had a tough past few weeks and perhaps once they move beyond the issues they may very well recover.  I think many will feel more confident knowing that they are in good shape to make big gains in Quebec so even if they lose seats in English Canada it will mean they have to lose 30-40 instead of just 15 to lose their majority and lose around 60-70 instead of just 43 to lose outright so a nice cushion for them.  After all in both 1974 and 1980, Pierre Trudeau won fewer seats in English Canada than the PCs but his dominance of Quebec allowed him to win a majority so could we see a return to Liberal sweeps of Quebec thus helping the Liberals re-establish their national dominance?


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: DL on October 23, 2017, 10:28:58 PM
It’s worth noting that this was once a big BQ stronghold that voted overwhelmingly Yes to independence and was Lucien Bouchard’s riding. If the BQ can’t win here where can they win?


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: mileslunn on October 23, 2017, 10:32:09 PM
It’s worth noting that this was once a big BQ stronghold that voted overwhelmingly Yes to independence and was Lucien Bouchard’s riding. If the BQ can’t win here where can they win?

Asides from Louis Plamandon's riding all of their wins were where they got the right breaks.  Pretty much all of them were under 40% so no real stronghold.  Louis Plamandon will probably hold his seat out of personal popularity as long as he is MP, but if he decides not to run in 2019, I could definitely see it flipping.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: MaxQue on October 23, 2017, 10:54:40 PM
Bloc is now 3rd.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: adma on October 23, 2017, 10:59:10 PM
And only 4 votes behind the Cons.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: mileslunn on October 23, 2017, 11:07:10 PM
And only 4 votes behind the Cons.


Conservatives are now 252 votes ahead of BQ, probably down to advanced polls which they always seem to perform better in, probably due more widely used by seniors. Nonetheless Liberal win, NDP in fourth question is who comes in second.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: mileslunn on October 23, 2017, 11:14:26 PM
I also think this might explain Trudeau's strange silence on Bill 62 as it is very popular here so didn't want to risk losing this. I expect he will come out harder against it with this in the rear view mirror.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: 136or142 on October 24, 2017, 04:23:50 AM
Conservatives elected another dumbass:

Lloyd has a history of posting controversial views in social media, easily retained the Edmonton riding of Sturgeon River-Parkland with 77 per cent of the vote.

Among other things, Lloyd has referred to women's advocates as "Feminazis" and started a Facebook campaign to create a Canadian chapter of the National Rifle Association.

That said, since this isn't actually an 'Edmonton riding' it's possible the rest of the article is wrong.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: mileslunn on October 24, 2017, 10:12:13 AM
Conservatives elected another dumbass:

Lloyd has a history of posting controversial views in social media, easily retained the Edmonton riding of Sturgeon River-Parkland with 77 per cent of the vote.

Among other things, Lloyd has referred to women's advocates as "Feminazis" and started a Facebook campaign to create a Canadian chapter of the National Rifle Association.

That said, since this isn't actually an 'Edmonton riding' it's possible the rest of the article is wrong.

Definitely the party will want to have stronger and more moderate candidates going into 2019 or they will provide lots of fodder for the Liberals if they have too many like him.  Every party has its kooky candidates, but the Tories have fair or not a bad reputation of being too right wing and they need to shed this if they ever want to return to power.

As for Edmonton, it is in the Capital region, but not part of the city of Edmonton.  While largely rural it does include several bedroom communities so its kind of like Airdire or Okotoks is to Calgary, Abbotsford to Vancouver, or Bowmanville to Toronto.  Still technically within the Metro area and commuting region but not the actual city.  Certainly the capital region surrounding Edmonton tends to vote much more heavily Conservative than the actual city itself.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: 136or142 on October 24, 2017, 05:52:22 PM
Conservatives elected another dumbass:

Lloyd has a history of posting controversial views in social media, easily retained the Edmonton riding of Sturgeon River-Parkland with 77 per cent of the vote.

Among other things, Lloyd has referred to women's advocates as "Feminazis" and started a Facebook campaign to create a Canadian chapter of the National Rifle Association.

That said, since this isn't actually an 'Edmonton riding' it's possible the rest of the article is wrong.

Definitely the party will want to have stronger and more moderate candidates going into 2019 or they will provide lots of fodder for the Liberals if they have too many like him.  Every party has its kooky candidates, but the Tories have fair or not a bad reputation of being too right wing and they need to shed this if they ever want to return to power.

As for Edmonton, it is in the Capital region, but not part of the city of Edmonton.  While largely rural it does include several bedroom communities so its kind of like Airdire or Okotoks is to Calgary, Abbotsford to Vancouver, or Bowmanville to Toronto.  Still technically within the Metro area and commuting region but not the actual city.  Certainly the capital region surrounding Edmonton tends to vote much more heavily Conservative than the actual city itself.

Yes, the Edmonton suburb/exurb of Stony Plain is in the riding, however most of the rest of it is rural. Provincially the NDP handily won the older and larger suburban Edmonton ridings of St Albert and Sherwood Park in 2015.

This new M.P isn't the first extreme right winger who has won for the Conservatives in byelections, as I'd argue both the replacements for Jason Kenney and Stephen Harper are also fringe.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 2 federal by-elections (AB&QC): Oct 23)
Post by: mileslunn on October 24, 2017, 10:37:45 PM
Conservatives elected another dumbass:

Lloyd has a history of posting controversial views in social media, easily retained the Edmonton riding of Sturgeon River-Parkland with 77 per cent of the vote.

Among other things, Lloyd has referred to women's advocates as "Feminazis" and started a Facebook campaign to create a Canadian chapter of the National Rifle Association.

That said, since this isn't actually an 'Edmonton riding' it's possible the rest of the article is wrong.

Definitely the party will want to have stronger and more moderate candidates going into 2019 or they will provide lots of fodder for the Liberals if they have too many like him.  Every party has its kooky candidates, but the Tories have fair or not a bad reputation of being too right wing and they need to shed this if they ever want to return to power.

As for Edmonton, it is in the Capital region, but not part of the city of Edmonton.  While largely rural it does include several bedroom communities so its kind of like Airdire or Okotoks is to Calgary, Abbotsford to Vancouver, or Bowmanville to Toronto.  Still technically within the Metro area and commuting region but not the actual city.  Certainly the capital region surrounding Edmonton tends to vote much more heavily Conservative than the actual city itself.

Yes, the Edmonton suburb/exurb of Stony Plain is in the riding, however most of the rest of it is rural. Provincially the NDP handily won the older and larger suburban Edmonton ridings of St Albert and Sherwood Park in 2015.

This new M.P isn't the first extreme right winger who has won for the Conservatives in byelections, as I'd argue both the replacements for Jason Kenney and Stephen Harper are also fringe.

Actually we've barely heard from either of those two so I suspect if as extreme as he seem he will be confined to the backbenches.  Interestingly enough under Harper not all the by-election ones were extreme.  In his last term you had Erin O'Toole who is fairly moderate, Pat Perkins former mayor of Whitby, John Barlow who was the PC candidate in 2012 who lost to Danielle Smith, and Larry Maguire who was the PC candidate in the 1993 election.  Now you did have Joan Crockett in Calgary Centre who was a Wildroser and rather out there but she got turfed in 2015 mind you I doubt either of those three ridings will flip in 2019 considering their histories.  It does some Harper had a much stronger iron grip and did a better job of controlling the crazies.  Although I've found the better the Tories do the more moderate their caucus is as usually their urban MPs tend to be more moderate whereas the most extreme ones often come from the rural Prairies and to a lesser extent in rural Ontario and BC Interior/Fraser Valley, otherwise their strongholds.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: adma on October 24, 2017, 10:56:09 PM
And re byelection extremists, we can't forget the provincial case of Sam Oosterhoff in Ontario.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: mileslunn on October 24, 2017, 11:40:18 PM
And re byelection extremists, we can't forget the provincial case of Sam Oosterhoff in Ontario.


True enough, funny Brown has done a reasonably good job on forcing his caucus to vote moderately whether it be on the bubble law, the provincial version of M-103, condemning C-62 in Quebec.  Wonder how him and a few others like Rick Nichols and Randy Hillier are able to manage or has he read them the riot act.  Mind you it was funny when Harper brought in the motion to declare Quebec a nation within a united Canada watching many ex Reformers who long enjoyed bashing Quebec voting for it.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: mileslunn on October 24, 2017, 11:46:46 PM
I tried doing a uniform swing on the by-elections using Sturgeon River-Parkland for English Canada results and Lac Saint Jean for Quebec and I get the following

Liberals 182 seats (29 in Atlantic Canada, 77 seats in Quebec, 56 seats in Ontario, 6 seats in Sask/Manitoba, 0 seats in Alberta, 11 seats in BC, and all three territories)

Conservatives 136 seats (3 seats in Atlantic Canada, 1 seat in Quebec (Maxime Bernier's), 58 seats in Ontario, 21 seats in Sask/Manitoba, 33 seats in Alberta, 20 seats in BC)

NDP 19 seats (None east of the Ottawa River, 7 seats in Ontario, Niki Ashton in Manitoba, 1 seat in Alberta, and 10 seats in BC)

Green Party 1 seat

Actually if you look at Eric Grenier's numbers not too far off although he doesn't have the Liberals quite as high as in Quebec a uniform swing would put them at 56% of the popular vote which no poll does and the Tories at only 9% which only Nanos shows them that low and NDP at 8% which no poll puts them at.

I do think though the Liberals will be hard pressed to hold all the seats they have in English Canada, so making gains in Quebec could easily cancel out any losses elsewhere and also makes it very likely they will win at least a plurality if not a majority.  The Tories realistically either need to get over 170 seats of have Tories + BQ + Independents over 170 seats as I suspect if the Liberals + NDP + Greens exceeds 170 seats they would gang up to defeat the Tories on a throne speech thus unless things change dramatically Scheer becoming prime-minister in 2019 seems very unlikely.  Mind you people said that about Donald Trump who won and Jeremy Corbyn who almost won so surprises can and do happen.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: adma on October 26, 2017, 12:17:35 AM
If the NDP under Jagmeet Singh is reduced to 19 seats, that'll be one heck of a bomb.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: mileslunn on October 26, 2017, 12:56:59 AM
If the NDP under Jagmeet Singh is reduced to 19 seats, that'll be one heck of a bomb.

True, although looking at the history of the party, 30 seats seems to the average and asides from 2011, the 44 seats they got in 2015 is their second best showing beating Ed Broadbent's 1988 record of 43 seats.  I think a lot in the NDP still fantasize about forming government when in reality much of their contributions has come from holding the balance of power in Liberal minority governments.  Universal health care and pensions were all things that came under a Liberal minority with the NDP holding the balance of power so realistically the best for them regardless of seats is the Liberals get reduced to a minority and they hold the balance of power.  Also even a Tory minority provided the Liberals + NDP + Greens exceeds 170 seats could be good for them as I suspect those three parties would work together to keep the Tories out and prop up the Liberals.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: adma on October 26, 2017, 09:35:18 PM
If the NDP under Jagmeet Singh is reduced to 19 seats, that'll be one heck of a bomb.

True, although looking at the history of the party, 30 seats seems to the average and asides from 2011, the 44 seats they got in 2015 is their second best showing beating Ed Broadbent's 1988 record of 43 seats. 

But still; that's a fall *back*. A *significant* fall back; over half its seats lost and reverting to Layton '04 square one.  And I highly doubt the party was allowing for that kind of result in choosing Singh as leader--if they were, they'd have chosen a duffer like Howard Hampton succeeding Bob Rae in Ontario.  Or for that matter, like Ed Broadbent *seemed* to be in 1975 (or even Alexa succeeding Audrey in 1995).

It's not about historical NDP "averages" here.  It's about what they're banking/gambling on with their present chosen leader.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: DL on October 26, 2017, 10:29:38 PM
If you did a "uniform swing" based on the Outremont byelection of 2007 the NDP would have won a majority government in 2008 so what's the point of this exercise?


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: mileslunn on October 26, 2017, 11:18:34 PM
If you did a "uniform swing" based on the Outremont byelection of 2007 the NDP would have won a majority government in 2008 so what's the point of this exercise?

True enough, but still interesting also I usually try to take the average of by-elections than one on its own.  Perhaps the next round which will be four to five will be a better.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: toaster on October 27, 2017, 07:51:11 PM
If the NDP under Jagmeet Singh is reduced to 19 seats, that'll be one heck of a bomb.

I'm not sure if this is intentional or not, but let's refrain from using the word bomb to describe Singh's political trajectory.  There are many places, even in Canada, that equate brown with terrorist, and this kind of language doesn't help.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: adma on October 27, 2017, 11:41:07 PM
If the NDP under Jagmeet Singh is reduced to 19 seats, that'll be one heck of a bomb.

I'm not sure if this is intentional or not, but let's refrain from using the word bomb to describe Singh's political trajectory.  There are many places, even in Canada, that equate brown with terrorist, and this kind of language doesn't help.

I definitely meant "bomb" in the Heaven's Gate or Ishtar sense.  (the movies, that is)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 29, 2017, 09:56:37 AM
Scarborough-Agincourt: Yip is in. (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/arnold-chan-scarborough-agincourt-jean-yip-1.4377187)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: Njall on October 29, 2017, 03:46:11 PM
Calgary-Lougheed MLA Dave Rodney is resigning his seat Nov. 1 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/jason-kenney-gets-to-work-new-leader-upc-1.4377594) to allow Kenney to get into the legislature.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: DC Al Fine on October 29, 2017, 04:48:19 PM
Calgary-Lougheed MLA Dave Rodney is resigning his seat Nov. 1 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/jason-kenney-gets-to-work-new-leader-upc-1.4377594) to allow Kenney to get into the legislature.

Is he quitting politics or is this one of those "get your seat back next election" deals?


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: MaxQue on October 29, 2017, 06:42:26 PM
Calgary-Lougheed MLA Dave Rodney is resigning his seat Nov. 1 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/jason-kenney-gets-to-work-new-leader-upc-1.4377594) to allow Kenney to get into the legislature.

Is he quitting politics or is this one of those "get your seat back next election" deals?

Probably more a "you'll get a comfy paid position once we recover the power electors stole from us".


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: mileslunn on October 29, 2017, 09:25:22 PM
Calgary-Lougheed MLA Dave Rodney is resigning his seat Nov. 1 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/jason-kenney-gets-to-work-new-leader-upc-1.4377594) to allow Kenney to get into the legislature.

Is he quitting politics or is this one of those "get your seat back next election" deals?

I wouldn't be surprised if Dave Rodney tries to make a comeback while I could see Kenney switching to one of the nearby seats although to be fair the PCs won most of the seats in his former federal riding, that is the most conservative part of the city and so it didn't go NDP like the rest and also backed Bill Smith as opposed to Nenshi for mayor.  Anyways seems like a fairly safe seat so I expect Kenney to win it quite handidly.  How he does in a general election is a different story and that you can see the discussion on the Alberta UCP leadership race.
Probably more a "you'll get a comfy paid position once we recover the power electors stole from us".


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: adma on October 30, 2017, 08:53:20 PM
I think it'll be interesting if the NDP *aren't* second place in the byelection.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: the506 on October 31, 2017, 08:29:42 PM
Missed this from a few weeks ago, but PEI Education Minister Doug Currie is leaving politics.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/pei-doug-currie-retiring-1.4361994

The by-election in Charlottetown-Parkdale will be held November 27, city councillor Rob Doiron has already won the Liberal nomination.
http://www.liberalpei.ca/by-election-to-be-held-november-27th/

EDIT: the Greens also nominated their candidate last night, Hannah Bell, in front of what CBC called a "packed house". They won 3 polls out of 11 here in 2015. They might actually have a shot at this.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/pei-green-party-nomination-1.4378589


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: mileslunn on October 31, 2017, 08:50:23 PM
Charlottetown-Parkdale should likely favour the Liberals although if the NDP or Greens are hoping to pick up this seat this would seem like a good one.  PCs could win and certainly if they did that would be a very good sign although of recent they tend to be stronger in the rural ridings while struggle in Charlottetown.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: the506 on November 03, 2017, 08:40:52 AM
In NB, Campbellton-Dalhousie Liberal MLA Donald Arseneault, has resigned after Brian Gallant told him you, uh, kinda can't be both an MLA and lobbyist at the same time. He already wasn't going to run in 2018 and decided to start his new job early.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/donald-arseneault-lobbyist-liberal-mla-1.4385571

Should be a fairly easy Liberal hold, but stranger things have happened.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on November 03, 2017, 08:43:39 AM
Campbellton went PC in 2010, so I wouldn't rule out a PC win. Northern New Brunswick can be quite schizophrenic in its voting patterns.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 05, 2017, 09:59:53 AM
Federal ones called for Dec. 11. (https://twitter.com/davidakin/status/927188455163019264)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: DC Al Fine on November 05, 2017, 01:53:58 PM
Federal ones called for Dec. 11. (https://twitter.com/davidakin/status/927188455163019264)

Oh good. Thought we wouldn't see much going on electorally until next spring.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: Lotuslander on November 05, 2017, 02:32:44 PM
Let's look at South Surrey-White Rock vacated by Dianne Watts.

Prior to redistribution, it was the riding of South Surrey-White Rock-Cloverdale. Interesting since the last time the fed Liberals came close here was in 2004 when a bit of a red wave made its way from City of Vancouver to the outer suburbs of South Surrey-White Rock whereby fed Liberals came within 6% of the CPC candidate. Looking at polling stations in 2004, the CPC did very well in the Cloverdale portion. With Cloverdale removed, the fed Liberals would undoubtedly picked this seat up in 2004.

Of course, the red wave of 2015 was akin to 1968 and swept through most of BC. Undoubtedly, the federal Liberals would have picked this riding up in 2015 had it not been for CPC candidate Dianne Watts who narrowly won.

BTW, in both 2004 and 2015, the federal Liberal candidate was former City of Surrey councillor Judy Higginbotham - "blue" Liberal.

Today, former long-time BC Liberal MLA Gordie Hogg for Surrey-White Rock (who did not run in 2017 BC election and also former mayor of White Rock) has officially announced his intention to run for the federal Liberal nomination. If no one else steps up, I expect Hogg to be fed Liberal nominee.

A few weeks back former fed CPC MP for neighbeighbouring riding of Delta & former Minister of National Revenue, Kerry-Lynne Findlay, announced her intention to seek the CPC nomination. Again, if no one else steps up to the plate, I suspect Findlay to be the CPC nominee.

Demographics of South Surrey-White Rock are typically centre-right and middle/upper middle class in an area considered to be one of most desirable in Metro Vancouver.

Hogg was a popular local BC Liberal MLA with name recognition while Findlay doesn't have the name recognition in the riding.

Will the red "wave" of 2015 remain in this by-election? Doubtful as they are rare general election events. While the Fed Liberals are still dominant in BC, I also sense an uptick for the CPC ergo the odds slightly favour the CPC candidate. Moreover, provincial BC by-elections (except under special circumstances) always favours an opposition party.



Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: mileslunn on November 05, 2017, 06:39:27 PM
With South Surrey-White Rock, tough to say but agree it would have gone Liberal in 2015 had Watts not been the candidate.  That being said if you look at national polls FWIW it shows things have tightened up in Atlantic Canada, Ontario, and Prairies, but BC is largely unchanged and Liberals have gone up in Quebec while Tories down a bit.  Atlantic Canada is more of a dead cat bounce as even with the Tories up almost 10%, they are still on track for their second worst showing in Atlantic Canada save 2015.  Quebec is probably more due to weakness of opposition as none of the opposition parties pose much challenge to the Trudeau Liberals.  For Ontario, I suspect the unpopularity if the Wynne government is why things are tighter and would not be surprised if the PCs win in Ontario in 2018, the Liberals rebound a bit federally.  Ontario often likes to vote opposites so if the PCs win next June that should be good news for the Liberals whereas if the Liberals get back in, then good news for the Tories.  In the Prairies the swing is modest but not surprising in Alberta Trudeau would be unpopular.  BC is always a wildcard and since the NDP provincially is still in its honeymoon phase for now that is probably why not much has changed.

Now if the NDP becomes less popular provincially and the Greens likely would too due to enabling them, then things could get more interesting.  This could help the Liberals as I suspect dissatisfied Green and NDP voters would be far more likely to switch to the Liberals than Conservatives.  But could help the Conservatives as some Blue Liberals might not like the idea of progressive governments at both levels.  The riding though is a fairly affluent one so perhaps Trudeau's tax changes could hurt him while changes to MSP Premiums might hurt  the NDP as likely it will mean higher taxes or a separate line item and a higher rate for most living in this riding.  If you compare to Ontario which has health premiums as part of the tax system, someone making 70K would pay more than BC while someone at 40K would pay less and in this riding you have more in the former than latter and the report is due on March 31, 2018 so not sure if by-election will be held before or after.  Also by-election turnouts tend to be lower and that is probably good for the Conservatives as their base is more motivated to show up and it means more older voters and fewer millennials which helps the Conservatives.

Of the other ones pending, Battlefords-Lloydminister and Bonavista-Burin-Trinity are safe seats and should not change.  With Battlefords-Lloydminster the only interesting question is who comes in second as that might be a hint at which party can challenge the Conservatives most in Saskatoon and Regina.  For Bonavista-Burin-Trinity, it will be more than numbers that are interesting.  The Liberals got 80% in 2015 and Tories only 12% so does it remain this wide or tighten and by how much as that might be a hint at how many seats the Tories could pick up in Atlantic Canada next time, otherwise are traditional Tory seats that went Liberal like Tobique-Mactquac, Fundy-Royal, and New Brunswick Southwest vulnerable or could the Liberals still hold those.

Scarborough-Agincourt leans Liberal and with Arnold Chan's wife running that should help.  Nonetheless if the Liberals lose this or win by less than 5%, this could signal much of the 905 belt would swing back to the Conservatives as this is a 416 suburb so leans Liberal but with a strong conservative base and usually conservative support is slightly weaker than in the neighbouring 905 ridings.

EDIT: Trudeau has called these for December 11th so doubt from the NDP government in BC will have too much impact.  Never mind South Surrey-White Rock is a weak NDP riding anyways.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: mileslunn on November 06, 2017, 12:33:21 PM
Denis Lemieux from Chicoutimi-Le Fjord is resigning so sometime in the new year a by-election here.  As long as the Liberals maintain their polling numbers in Quebec, suspect they will hold this, but Quebec is known to switch on the dime so if poll numbers change dramatically then you could get an upset.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: lilTommy on November 06, 2017, 12:42:31 PM
Denis Lemieux from Chicoutimi-Le Fjord is resigning so sometime in the new year a by-election here.  As long as the Liberals maintain their polling numbers in Quebec, suspect they will hold this, but Quebec is known to switch on the dime so if poll numbers change dramatically then you could get an upset.

Wonder if Dany Morin, NDP MP from 2011-2015 would be up for this run?


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: MaxQue on November 06, 2017, 06:35:51 PM
Denis Lemieux from Chicoutimi-Le Fjord is resigning so sometime in the new year a by-election here.  As long as the Liberals maintain their polling numbers in Quebec, suspect they will hold this, but Quebec is known to switch on the dime so if poll numbers change dramatically then you could get an upset.

For "family" reasons. More likely to provide a seat to Jean Tremblay, outgoing mayor of Saguenay.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: 136or142 on November 07, 2017, 12:13:29 AM
What is the record for the most by-elections (Or bye bye elections) during a term of Parliament?  Other than the couple M.Ps who died, doesn't anybody want to do the job they ran to get?

I remember in 1977 or so there was the 'mini election' by-election.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: DL on November 07, 2017, 08:19:47 AM
Denis Lemieux from Chicoutimi-Le Fjord is resigning so sometime in the new year a by-election here.  As long as the Liberals maintain their polling numbers in Quebec, suspect they will hold this, but Quebec is known to switch on the dime so if poll numbers change dramatically then you could get an upset.

For "family" reasons. More likely to provide a seat to Jean Tremblay, outgoing mayor of Saguenay.

Tremblay is a right wing social conservative who is outspoken about reciting Christian prayers at council meetings and about wanting draconian restrictions onMuslims. I can’t see the federal Liberals touching him with a ten foot pole.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: 136or142 on November 11, 2017, 06:07:50 AM
Federal Liberals have nominated longtime provincial Liberal MLA Gordie Hogg as their candidate in the South Surrey-White Rock by-election.  Hogg is the former mayor of White Rock and ran for the Federal Liberals in 1993.

Hogg was an MLA from 1997-2017, winning the by-election when Wilf Hurd stepped down from the provincial liberals to run in this riding (more or less this riding) in the 1997 Federal Election.

Hogg was a cabinet minister for a while under Gordon Campbell and after being dropped from the cabinet, went on to get an interdisciplinary PhD in Public Policy.  He became a criminology professor after the election.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: Jeppe on November 12, 2017, 11:56:47 PM
Gordon Hoggs was confirmed as the Liberal candidate in South Surrey-White Rock, along wth Jean Yip in Scarborough-Agincourt.

Rosemarie Falk, a 29 year old social worker was selected as the Conservative candidate in North Battlefords-Lloydminster. Ken Finlayson, a controversial candidate was barred from running, otherwise he likely would've won the nomination.

I haven't seen any other candidate nominations for the December 11 by-elections.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: Lotuslander on November 13, 2017, 02:26:55 AM
Former fed CPC MP for neighbeighbouring BC riding of Delta & former Minister of National Revenue, Kerry-Lynne Findlay is now the CPC nominee for South Surrey-White Rock. Occurred Friday, November 10.

PS. Fed Liberal nominee Gordon Hogg was November 7.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on November 14, 2017, 12:47:43 PM
Melfort MLA Kevin Phillips has died.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: Jeppe on November 14, 2017, 01:16:21 PM
Talk on the ground in Saskatchewan is that the new Premier (likely Alanna Koch) will call a spring snap election to secure a new mandate. If not, then the next set of by-elections will surely happen the same week as the NDP leadership race (first week of March).

Koch would be the leader of a caucus that doesn’t like her very much, so it’ll be a chance to catch the NDP off guard, likely before they choose a permanent leader, and fill caucus with her loyalists and allowing the dissidents in her caucus a chance to to retire gracefully.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: DL on November 14, 2017, 02:26:43 PM
Talk on the ground in Saskatchewan is that the new Premier (likely Alanna Koch) will call a spring snap election to secure a new mandate. If not, then the next set of by-elections will surely happen the same week as the NDP leadership race (first week of March).

Koch would be the leader of a caucus that doesn’t like her very much, so it’ll be a chance to catch the NDP off guard, likely before they choose a permanent leader, and fill caucus with her loyalists and allowing the dissidents in her caucus a chance to to retire gracefully.

The history of premiers with large majorities calling early "snap elections' is not good. Ask David Peterson or more recently Jim Prentice. On top of that, I wonder if people in Saskatchewan also have a strong sense of "fair play" and to call an election two years ahead of schedule just weeks before the official opposition is to pick and new leader seems incredibly cynical and opportunistic...


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on November 14, 2017, 06:19:20 PM
Also ask Theresa May.

If there's an election next year, the NDP will win.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: Jeppe on November 14, 2017, 06:48:26 PM
Also ask Theresa May.

If there's an election next year, the NDP will win.

Yeah, it’d be interesting to see what happens if the interim leader has to lead the party into the general election. Would Nicole Sarauer, the interim, become Premier? Or would the leadership race resume? I assume the interim who led the party to a general election win would just stay on permanently as Premier, but who knows.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on November 16, 2017, 01:38:10 PM
Calgary-Lougheed by-election set for December 14.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: the506 on November 18, 2017, 11:47:23 AM
The Charlottetown-Parkdale by-election looks surprisingly compelling.

NDP leader Mike Redmond is running, the Liberal and PC candidates are both Charlottetown city councillors, and the Green candidate has enough of a following herself. This is a real 4-way race.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/pei-district11-charlottetown-parkdale-byelection-1.4385695


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: the506 on November 18, 2017, 11:51:09 AM
Also, surprised this hasn't been mentioned here yet, but Alberta Liberal leader David Khan is running in Calgary-Lougheed.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 19, 2017, 03:20:15 PM
Grits sound confident about Surrey. (http://theprovince.com/news/bc-politics/mike-smyth-trudeaus-liberals-look-to-steal-surrey-seat-away-from-tories)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: DL on November 19, 2017, 04:25:52 PM
What will it mean for Scheer’s leadership if after losing Lac St. Jean to the Liberals he proceeds to lose Durrey-White Rock too? Opposition are supposed to win seats from the government in byelections not lose them. If Scheer loses that Surrey s’est where exactly does he expect to ever win? If the Tories lose a very WASPy, high income exurban seat in Surrey its a very very bad omen for him


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: Pragmatic Conservative on November 19, 2017, 04:49:39 PM
What will it mean for Scheer’s leadership if after losing Lac St. Jean to the Liberals he proceeds to lose Durrey-White Rock too? Opposition are supposed to win seats from the government in byelections not lose them. If Scheer loses that Surrey s’est where exactly does he expect to ever win? If the Tories lose a very WASPy, high income exurban seat in Surrey its a very very bad omen for him
Yeah especially after the whole controversy surrounding tax reform; this would be the type of riding you would expect decent opposition to many of Trudeau's tax proposals.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 19, 2017, 06:31:09 PM
I'd say that we only won it because of Watts and no one expects us to win in 2019 anyway.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on November 19, 2017, 08:04:48 PM
I'd say that we only won it because of Watts.

Maybe, but it's not exactly a Liberal riding. It hasn't gone Liberal since 1968.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on November 19, 2017, 09:38:43 PM
The Grits don’t even have to win the seat to win the narrative; all they have to do is come close.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: Pragmatic Conservative on November 19, 2017, 10:32:38 PM
The Grits don’t even have to win the seat to win the narrative; all they have to do is come close.
They came within three  points of taking it in 2015; so coming close again would probably indicate not much has changed in the general mood of the electorate.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: DL on November 20, 2017, 12:47:03 AM
I'd say that we only won it because of Watts.

Maybe, but it's not exactly a Liberal riding. It hasn't gone Liberal since 1968.

It didn’t even go Liberal in 1968. In ‘68 all of Surrey was one riding and it went NDP that year. So Surrey-White Rock has actually NEVER ever elected a Liberal


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: Lotuslander on November 20, 2017, 02:48:25 AM
Yep. Back in 1968 Surrey was one single riding. Moreover, White Rock, which was a previous municipal ward within Surrey had voted, via referendum, to separate from Surrey 11 years earlier in 1957.

The 1968 fed results for fed Surrey riding was as follows:

NDP: 44.6%
Liberal: 32.3%
PC: 16.4%
Social Credit: 6.7%

Suspect that the stronger NDP vote was in the more older developed north Surrey area of Whalley back in 1968 while the Liberal/PC/SC vote was stronger in the White Rock/Cloverdale area. BTW, back in 1968, South Surrey was mostly forested with a bit of hay farming. Some residential areas were extant along its eastern border with WR.

White Rock itself was an original summer beach town, from the early 1900's, with rail access to downtown Van City. Even back in 1968 a considerable portion of White Rock remained undeveloped. The only other area of South Surrey that had older summer cottages was Crescent Beach on the other side of the Semiahmoo Peninsula.

I should know. I live here.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on November 21, 2017, 02:13:34 PM
I'd say that we only won it because of Watts.

Maybe, but it's not exactly a Liberal riding. It hasn't gone Liberal since 1968.

It didn’t even go Liberal in 1968. In ‘68 all of Surrey was one riding and it went NDP that year. So Surrey-White Rock has actually NEVER ever elected a Liberal

Oops, must've looked up the wrong riding.

ETA: The riding DID vote vote Liberal in its history; the last time was 1949 when it was part of New Westminster riding.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on November 21, 2017, 02:13:59 PM
Anyways, here is my profile of Mount Pearl North: http://canadianelectionatlas.blogspot.ca/2017/11/mount-pearl-north-by-election-preview.html


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on November 21, 2017, 06:52:21 PM
polls closed.

1/41 polls reporting

Lib: 97 :o
PC: 84
NDP: 36
Ind: 2


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: Boston Bread on November 21, 2017, 08:06:06 PM
The PCs won Mount Pearl North, NDP and Liberals roughly tied for second. Looks consistent with recent polling.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: Pragmatic Conservative on November 21, 2017, 08:15:06 PM
Final Results Mount Pearl North
Jim Lester PC 2064 46.89% (-4.59)
Jim Burton Liberal 1129 25.65% (-16.77%)
Nicole Kieley NDP 1088 24.72%(+18.62%)
Hudson Stratton Independent 121 2.75% 


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: MaxQue on November 21, 2017, 08:17:18 PM
PC 2064 (46.89%; -4.59)
Lib 1129 (25.65%; -16.77)
NDP 1088 (24.72%; +18.62)
Ind 121 (2.75%)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on November 21, 2017, 09:24:30 PM
Even though they finished third, the NDP did very well. Best ever result, I think.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on November 21, 2017, 10:17:44 PM
Correction: the NDP got 26% of the vote in 1975 when they Helen Porter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Fogwill_Porter). A good result, considering they didn't win any seats that year.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Mount Pearl North, NL: Nov 21)
Post by: DC Al Fine on November 22, 2017, 06:37:47 AM
Final Results Mount Pearl North
Jim Lester PC 2064 46.89% (-4.59)
Jim Burton Liberal 1129 25.65% (-16.77%)
Nicole Kieley NDP 1088 24.72%(+18.62%)
Hudson Stratton Independent 121 2.75% 


Hmm things are looking up for the NDP. That swing would wing them some of the more favourable St. John's seats. I'd like to see a by-election in rural Newfoundland though to see what's going on there.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Charlottetown-Parkdale, PEI: Nov 27)
Post by: the506 on November 27, 2017, 08:17:52 PM
Green candidate Hannah Bell wins in Charlottetown-Parkdale. 7% lead with all but 1 poll reporting.

EDIT: Final results, with change from 2015:
Hannah Bell (GRN) 35.4% (+16.2)
Bob Doiron (LIB) 28.2% (-15.5)
Melissa Hilton (PC) 27.0% (+0.8 )
Mike Redmond (NDP) 9.3% (-1.6)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Charlottetown-Parkdale, PEI: Nov 27)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on November 27, 2017, 10:37:44 PM
Wow. Not good news for the NDP. :( But I'm glad the Liberals lost the seat. I really hated how they dealt with the electoral reform plebiscite.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Charlottetown-Parkdale, PEI: Nov 27)
Post by: lilTommy on November 28, 2017, 07:19:19 AM
Wow. Not good news for the NDP. :( But I'm glad the Liberals lost the seat. I really hated how they dealt with the electoral reform plebiscite.

Any particular reason for this? for the last few, two elections or so, the NDP and Greens have been fighting each other for third, and the Greens have been winning the fight now, any local PEI reasons? This isn't the case in NS, and might be the case in NB, but I think we need to see what happens after the next election there. But looks like in PEI the anti-Liberal progressive vote is going Green over NDP?


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Charlottetown-Parkdale, PEI: Nov 27)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on November 28, 2017, 11:31:28 AM
PEI is not really the beacon of socialism. The Greens are doing well because of a desire for change and due to its cultural NIMBYism I think.

This is all very interesting of course, because I could see the Greens actually forming government one day. They have the momentum. All it would take is a dumb premature election call a la Theresa May or Jim Prentice.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Charlottetown-Parkdale, PEI: Nov 27)
Post by: DL on November 28, 2017, 01:48:24 PM
Wow. Not good news for the NDP. :( But I'm glad the Liberals lost the seat. I really hated how they dealt with the electoral reform plebiscite.

Any particular reason for this? for the last few, two elections or so, the NDP and Greens have been fighting each other for third, and the Greens have been winning the fight now, any local PEI reasons? This isn't the case in NS, and might be the case in NB, but I think we need to see what happens after the next election there. But looks like in PEI the anti-Liberal progressive vote is going Green over NDP?

It’s very simple. In the last PEI election the Greens lucked out my narrowly electing their leader while the NDP narrowly missed electing theirs. Now the Greens have the legitimacy of having a seat and scoop up the “neither red nor blue” vote


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Charlottetown-Parkdale, PEI: Nov 27)
Post by: DC Al Fine on November 29, 2017, 06:44:47 AM
Wow. Not good news for the NDP. :( But I'm glad the Liberals lost the seat. I really hated how they dealt with the electoral reform plebiscite.

Any particular reason for this? for the last few, two elections or so, the NDP and Greens have been fighting each other for third, and the Greens have been winning the fight now, any local PEI reasons? This isn't the case in NS, and might be the case in NB, but I think we need to see what happens after the next election there. But looks like in PEI the anti-Liberal progressive vote is going Green over NDP?

It’s very simple. In the last PEI election the Greens lucked out my narrowly electing their leader while the NDP narrowly missed electing theirs. Now the Greens have the legitimacy of having a seat and scoop up the “neither red nor blue” vote

Are you thinking of New Brunswick? PEI's Green party leader got over half the vote in his seat.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Charlottetown-Parkdale, PEI: Nov 27)
Post by: DC Al Fine on November 29, 2017, 06:59:06 AM
PEI is not really the beacon of socialism. The Greens are doing well because of a desire for change and due to its cultural NIMBYism I think.

This is correct. PEI is also becoming "Vermontified" for lack of a better word. There's a decent number of Green friendly types immigrating from other provinces to work in tourism and agriculture because they like the idyllic lifestyle.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Charlottetown-Parkdale, PEI: Nov 27)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on November 29, 2017, 07:15:25 AM
PEI is not really the beacon of socialism. The Greens are doing well because of a desire for change and due to its cultural NIMBYism I think.

This is correct. PEI is also becoming "Vermontified" for lack of a better word. There's a decent number of Green friendly types immigrating from other provinces to work in tourism and agriculture because they like the idyllic lifestyle.

So what you're saying is the NDP needs to get a Bernie Sanders type to run there? ;)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Charlottetown-Parkdale, PEI: Nov 27)
Post by: DC Al Fine on November 29, 2017, 05:36:01 PM
PEI is not really the beacon of socialism. The Greens are doing well because of a desire for change and due to its cultural NIMBYism I think.

This is correct. PEI is also becoming "Vermontified" for lack of a better word. There's a decent number of Green friendly types immigrating from other provinces to work in tourism and agriculture because they like the idyllic lifestyle.

So what you're saying is the NDP needs to get a Bernie Sanders type to run there? ;)

Precisely :P


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 4 federal by-elections: Dec 11)
Post by: the506 on November 30, 2017, 11:07:16 AM
I think it's simple. The PEI Green party managed to luck out by choosing a more personable leader than the NDP, so they were in the best position to take advantage of the island's "Vermontification".

It's a very localized situation. In NS that hasn't happened at all, and the Greens remain a fringe party. In NB, Coon is popular in his own riding and among a certain segment of the population, but that hasn't translated into mass province-wide support.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Charlottetown-Parkdale, PEI: Nov 27)
Post by: toaster on November 30, 2017, 10:40:22 PM
PEI is not really the beacon of socialism. The Greens are doing well because of a desire for change and due to its cultural NIMBYism I think.

This is all very interesting of course, because I could see the Greens actually forming government one day. They have the momentum. All it would take is a dumb premature election call a la Theresa May or Jim Prentice.
Which is interesting, considering its small population base actually requires huge public subsidies to run programs and the province.  Also much easier to get any small party elected when you have ridings where the winner doesn't even get 1000 votes.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Charlottetown-Parkdale, PEI: Nov 27)
Post by: adma on December 01, 2017, 01:00:54 AM
Which is interesting, considering its small population base actually requires huge public subsidies to run programs and the province.  Also much easier to get any small party elected when you have ridings where the winner doesn't even get 1000 votes.

For perspective's sake, PEI would be about the same size as, I dunno, Etobicoke-Lakeshore in its pre-2015 boundaries...


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 4 federal by-elections: Dec 11)
Post by: Lotuslander on December 10, 2017, 12:49:50 AM
So... 4 fed by-elections on Monday. I'm here in South Surrey-White Rock and while my previous post suggested leaning CPC... right now I'm on the fence for plethora of reasons.

BTW, this riding, among many Metro Van ridings, is one of those that folk don't use lawn signs to publicly display their political affiliation on their proverbial arm sleeves. Current by-election corroborates same.

Liberals have the better candidate in SS-WR in terms of former White Rock mayor/long-time BC Lib MLA Gordie Hogg. Liberals also have a much better/well known retail fed poli leader in terms of JT.

JT has campaigned twice in the riding. First time drew ~1,000 folk on weekday afternoon to WR coffee shop. Last Saturday, ~ 1,500 - 2,000 showed up for JT rally at Semihamoo HS:

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Frankly, the foregoing is mind-blowing - completely outta sync from historical voting patterns in riding.

OTOH, CPC leader Scheer tours some fringe potato chip plant in a rural ALR NE portion of the riding. No voters there. And, frankly, the CPC nominated terribly here.

And then we get to latest polling sub-sample sizes for BC:

Leger (n=186 - opt-in online panel methodology):

Liberal: 47%
CPC: 27%
Green: 15%
NDP: 11%

http://leger360.com/admin/upload/publi_pdf/La%20politique%20federale%20au%20Canada_20171202_ENv3.pdf

OTOH, Forum Research (n=166 - IVR methodology):

CPC: 43%
Liberal: 32%
Green: 12%
NDP: 12%

http://poll.forumresearch.com/data/f6183b5c-adce-4f57-a238-e66efd96ea76Federal%20Horserace%20November.pdf

Again, completely different political preference outcomes by different pollsters/different methodologies even though both were in the field in relatively the same time frame. Granted, any sample size with n<300 can be considered useless.

As an aside, the 2015 federal NDP candidate in Surrey South-White Rock - Pixie Hobby - is now endorsing the federal Greens in this by-election.

Mainstreet Research prez was quoted in the Hill Times as follows:

Quote
Quito Maggi, president and CEO of Mainstreet Research, said his firm’s polling in the South Surrey-White Rock, B.C., riding suggests Liberal candidate Gordie Hogg, a former local politician and ex-provincial cabinet minister, has a good chance at snatching the seat from the opposition Conservatives, though a strong showing from the Greens could be the “deciding factor.”

“It’s most certainly a two way race between Liberals and Conservatives, within five per cent,” he said in an emailed statement. “Things can change so the caution is there about the expected outcome, it may be volatile as byelections often are.”

Within "5%"? Yet Mainstreet does not release any detailed riding polling data.

https://www.hilltimes.com/2017/12/04/liberals-unseat-tories-competitive-vancouver-area-byelection/127314#pq=Kap1cZ

Within the past week, Mustel (long-time BC CATI pollster), which has nailed every BC election/fed BC election result for ~20 years (pre-2013), had this BC finding with larger sample size:

"Overall Performance of Federal Gov't":

Wrong Track: 40%
Right Track: 33%
Don't Know: 23%

So how does one rationalize all of the conflicting foregoing data? Ya just can't. Again, I'm now sitting on the fence on Monday's outcome. Grab your bag of popcorn and watch the result come in. ;)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 4 federal by-elections: Dec 11)
Post by: adma on December 10, 2017, 10:54:27 PM
It may be phantom signage; but still, in the part of Scarborough-Agincourt I drove through this morning, the NDP seemed to be out-signing the Conservatives. (On that evidence, a sure Liberal hold, I presume.)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 4 federal by-elections: Dec 11)
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 11, 2017, 07:54:21 PM
CBC calls BBT for the Grits. https://twitter.com/CBCAlerts/status/940383748125876224


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 4 federal by-elections: Dec 11)
Post by: emcee0 on December 11, 2017, 10:55:09 PM
Grits won Scarborough Agincourt and Tories won Battlefords Lloydminister,
Gordie Hogg has a narrow early lead in SSWR


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 4 federal by-elections: Dec 11)
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 11, 2017, 11:02:17 PM
Looks like Grits take SSWR.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 4 federal by-elections: Dec 11)
Post by: 136or142 on December 11, 2017, 11:07:35 PM
60/199 polls

Hogg 3,228
Findlay 2,884


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 4 federal by-elections: Dec 11)
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 11, 2017, 11:08:57 PM
Too early for congrats, Adam?


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 4 federal by-elections: Dec 11)
Post by: 136or142 on December 11, 2017, 11:09:25 PM
70/199
Hogg 3,887
Findlay 3,561


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 4 federal by-elections: Dec 11)
Post by: 136or142 on December 11, 2017, 11:09:53 PM

Possibly.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 4 federal by-elections: Dec 11)
Post by: emcee0 on December 11, 2017, 11:12:00 PM
I think Gordie wins a squeaker.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 4 federal by-elections: Dec 11)
Post by: 136or142 on December 11, 2017, 11:12:32 PM
80/199
Hogg 4,510
Findlay 3,963


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 4 federal by-elections: Dec 11)
Post by: emcee0 on December 11, 2017, 11:18:04 PM
Abysmal numbers for the NDP. Can't help but point out that Yip's margin of victory in Scarborough is pretty underwhelming.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 4 federal by-elections: Dec 11)
Post by: 136or142 on December 11, 2017, 11:18:27 PM
95/199
Hogg 5,379
Findlay 4,800


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 4 federal by-elections: Dec 11)
Post by: 136or142 on December 11, 2017, 11:19:39 PM
100/199
Hogg 5,729
Findlay 5,150


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 4 federal by-elections: Dec 11)
Post by: 136or142 on December 11, 2017, 11:26:35 PM
120/199 polls
Hogg 6,979
Findlay 6,392


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 4 federal by-elections: Dec 11)
Post by: 136or142 on December 11, 2017, 11:29:33 PM
130/199 polls
Hogg 7,743
Findlay 7,085


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 4 federal by-elections: Dec 11)
Post by: 136or142 on December 11, 2017, 11:32:31 PM
140/199 polls
Hogg 8,336
Findlay 7,683


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 4 federal by-elections: Dec 11)
Post by: 136or142 on December 11, 2017, 11:36:49 PM
150/199 polls
Hogg 9,048
Findlay 8,326


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 4 federal by-elections: Dec 11)
Post by: 2952-0-0 on December 11, 2017, 11:42:33 PM
I wouldn't be looking forward to Christmas if I were Andrew Scheer.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 4 federal by-elections: Dec 11)
Post by: 136or142 on December 11, 2017, 11:42:48 PM
160/199 polls
Hogg 9,738
Findlay 8,880


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 4 federal by-elections: Dec 11)
Post by: 136or142 on December 11, 2017, 11:54:22 PM
170/199
Hogg 10,563
Findlay 9,536


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 4 federal by-elections: Dec 11)
Post by: emcee0 on December 11, 2017, 11:57:03 PM
CBC news desk just called it for Gordie.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 4 federal by-elections: Dec 11)
Post by: 136or142 on December 12, 2017, 12:01:14 AM
180/199 polls
Hogg 11,129
Findlay 10,188


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 4 federal by-elections: Dec 11)
Post by: 136or142 on December 12, 2017, 12:20:24 AM
190/199 polls
Hogg 12,672
Findlay 11,444


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: 4 federal by-elections: Dec 11)
Post by: 136or142 on December 12, 2017, 01:00:51 AM
Final 199/199 polls
Total votes: 30,259
Gordie Hogg: 14,369
Kerry-Lynne Findlay: 12,752
  
79,359 registered voters.  38.13% turnout.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: mileslunn on December 13, 2017, 12:44:02 AM
I think two big takeaways are this.

1.  Conservatives have gone up in vote in share in 9 of the 12 while Liberals down in 9 of 12 but Tories going up in the all the wrong places and Liberals in all the right places i.e. in swing ridings while Tories going up in either ones they have no hope at winning or just running the table in already safe ones.

2.  Left is united behind the Liberals with NDP not doing well.  It's very difficult for the Tories to win without a strong NDP to split some votes so it seems Trudeau's strategy of tacking leftward is a smart one as while he might push some Blue Liberals over to the Tories, this will be easily cancelled out by gains from progressive centre-left voters.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on December 14, 2017, 09:37:59 AM
None of those seats are NDP targets. Don't buy into the pundit narrative that the NDP is dead because it did terrible in a bunch of seats they didn't really bother to campaign in.

One very important thing to realize when it comes to by-elections (and this should be evident to anyone who has followed more than a half dozen over the years) is that typically voters treat them differently than general elections, in that they often become strict two-party races compared to how they would vote in a general election. Whether this is because would-be third party voters are staying home or voting strategically is up for debate, but the evidence is clear. Even though there is no difference between a by-election and a general election in terms of how our voting system works, voters psychological inclinations are different. In a general election, voters will often vote for their preferred party rather than candidate, while in a by-election it is more about the local race.

You needn't go any further than the Vaughan 2010 by-election to see what I mean. The NDP won just 1.7% of the vote; 5 months later they went back up to 12% in the riding, and we all know how well they did across the country in the 2011 election. Their pitiful result was not a harbinger for the future.

The next true test for the NDP will be in Outremont. Conventional wisdom suggests the Liberals will get it back, but tell that to Denis Coderre. The Montreal mayoral race was a good NDP-Liberal proxy race, and Plante won Outrement, so, I wouldn't count the NDP out there quite yet.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: mileslunn on December 14, 2017, 11:12:02 AM
None of those seats are NDP targets. Don't buy into the pundit narrative that the NDP is dead because it did terrible in a bunch of seats they didn't really bother to campaign in.

One very important thing to realize when it comes to by-elections (and this should be evident to anyone who has followed more than a half dozen over the years) is that typically voters treat them differently than general elections, in that they often become strict two-party races compared to how they would vote in a general election. Whether this is because would-be third party voters are staying home or voting strategically is up for debate, but the evidence is clear. Even though there is no difference between a by-election and a general election in terms of how our voting system works, voters psychological inclinations are different. In a general election, voters will often vote for their preferred party rather than candidate, while in a by-election it is more about the local race.

You needn't go any further than the Vaughan 2010 by-election to see what I mean. The NDP won just 1.7% of the vote; 5 months later they went back up to 12% in the riding, and we all know how well they did across the country in the 2011 election. Their pitiful result was not a harbinger for the future.

The next true test for the NDP will be in Outremont. Conventional wisdom suggests the Liberals will get it back, but tell that to Denis Coderre. The Montreal mayoral race was a good NDP-Liberal proxy race, and Plante won Outrement, so, I wouldn't count the NDP out there quite yet.

Good point and it does seem that way also for the Conservatives.  While under Harper's majority they generally lost ground in all by-elections, while he had a minority they gained in pretty much every riding they came in first or second in, but generally lost votes in ones they came in third in and were non-competitive.  Interesting if we see this provincially although in the case of Calgary-Lougheed with Alberta Liberal leader David Khan running I suspect he will do better than they have in recent years, but still finish well back.  It will be interesting whether it damages the NDP or UCP more there.  Also in BC, it will be interesting to see how the Green Party does in Kelowna West as using your argument they should decline although since the BC Liberals are likely to get over 50% won't be enough for the NDP to pick it up, but perhaps increase their vote share.  The only way the NDP could ever win this is if there was no Greens and the BC Conservatives were really strong and split the right wing vote perfectly evenly which won't happen anytime soon.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on December 14, 2017, 12:40:54 PM
Calgary Lougheed: Since the Liberals are targetting it (they are running their leader after all), they will do better than normal
Kelowna West: Since it is safe Liberal seat, I don't expect any polarization unless the NDP really puts up a fight, which would hurt the Greens. (See the result in Battlefords-Lloymdminster as an example)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on December 14, 2017, 02:03:07 PM
Not often you see two party leaders going head to head in a riding, even if one of them is DOA.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on December 14, 2017, 02:11:48 PM
Not often you see two party leaders going head to head in a riding, even if one of them is DOA.

It reeks of desperation from the Liberals.  This kind of thing happens all the time actually, but almost exclusively by fringe parties.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on December 14, 2017, 02:20:26 PM
Not often you see two party leaders going head to head in a riding, even if one of them is DOA.

It reeks of desperation from the Liberals.  This kind of thing happens all the time actually, but almost exclusively by fringe parties.
Yeah, I meant among the CPC, NDP, LPC and Greens.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on December 14, 2017, 02:24:47 PM
Actually it's three leaders going up against each other: the Green leader is running in Lougheed, too.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: mileslunn on December 14, 2017, 02:49:54 PM
Not often you see two party leaders going head to head in a riding, even if one of them is DOA.

It reeks of desperation from the Liberals.  This kind of thing happens all the time actually, but almost exclusively by fringe parties.

Liberals trying to stay relevant although ironically the Alberta Party is not running a candidate.  Essentially the Liberals and Alberta Party are fighting over those who find the UCP too right wing but NDP too left wing.  Otherwise NDP voters with buyer's remorse and Red Tories from the PCs essentially.  I think if the Liberals emerge as the centrist alternative it will hurt NDP more than UCP as many provincial Dippers are federal Liberals (note NDP is struggling to hit 10% in Alberta federally while NDP provincially is around 30% whereas federally Liberals around 20-25% and provincially single digits so most Alberta progressives are NDP provincially, Liberal federally) whereas most PCs don't like Trudeau so being associated with him will make them less likely to vote Liberal.  By contrast if the Alberta Party emerges as the centrist option it should hurt the UCP more than NDP as many Red Tories from the PCs would be willing to vote for them.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on December 14, 2017, 03:10:16 PM
Actually it's three leaders going up against each other: the Green leader is running in Lougheed, too.

lol. Well, the Alberta Greens are especially irrelevant due to not having their s**t together as a party. This despite the federal Greens doing well in certain pockets of the province in the past.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: Jeppe on December 14, 2017, 04:12:42 PM
Actually it's three leaders going up against each other: the Green leader is running in Lougheed, too.

lol. Well, the Alberta Greens are especially irrelevant due to not having their s**t together as a party. This despite the federal Greens doing well in certain pockets of the province in the past.

Didn't they finish second or something in the Calgary-Centre by-election a few years ago?


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: Njall on December 14, 2017, 08:57:00 PM
Actually it's three leaders going up against each other: the Green leader is running in Lougheed, too.

lol. Well, the Alberta Greens are especially irrelevant due to not having their s**t together as a party. This despite the federal Greens doing well in certain pockets of the province in the past.

Didn't they finish second or something in the Calgary-Centre by-election a few years ago?

Third, but with 26% (the first-Place Conservative got 37%)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: warandwar on December 14, 2017, 09:58:54 PM
They did manage to pick up the coveted endorsement of my family friend Harry, the Historian.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: Njall on December 14, 2017, 10:08:27 PM
I missed the exact number because Elections Alberta is using vote tabulators and the page updated too quickly, but Kenney got approximately 77% of the vote in the advance polls (which had a notably high turnout).


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: mileslunn on December 14, 2017, 10:09:34 PM
Advanced polls are now in and Kenney is winning massively beyond what we would expect although I suspect probably a higher percentage who voted here were seniors so should tighten a bit once the regular polls come in.  Though 77.54% is not too far off what Harper got here in 2011 mind you the federal Tories usually do better than their provincial counterparts.  Albertans tend to get more right wing the less local the government so most conservative at the federal level, somewhere in between provincially while most progressive at municipal level.



77.54%      UCP
7.64%        Liberals
13.10%       NDP


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: mileslunn on December 14, 2017, 10:11:35 PM
Only seven polls out of 22 in, but based on the lead I think we can call this already for Jason Kenney.  I expected him to win easily, but if these results hold up it will be a bigger win than I thought.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: mileslunn on December 14, 2017, 10:25:10 PM
CBC decision desk has now called it for Kenney.  Only interesting thing will be to see the final numbers, but looks like a yuge win for Kenney.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: mileslunn on December 14, 2017, 11:02:06 PM
Final results as follows

UCP  71.51%
NDP  16.79%
Liberals 9.30%
Reform Party 1.26%
Green Party 0.55%
Leslie Wayne Ind. 0.39%
Larry Heather Ind. 0.20%

So a massive win for Kenney.  This is almost 9 points above the combined PC + WRP vote in 2015 although ironically very close for all three main parties to what they got in the federal election in 2011 in Harper's riding of Calgary Southwest which includes Calgary-Lougheed and other areas.  Total votes cast was 10,852 while in 2015 it was 16,974 so not a bad turnout for a by-election although I kind of suspect low turnout helped Kenney as generally those mad at the government are more motivated to show up.

Still a good showing for the UCP and if those numbers hold into 2019 (which is no guarantee) they should win easily.  Not a good night for the NDP, but this was not a riding they were ever going to win anyways, but if they are to win in 2019, they will need to do better than what they did here.  But at least they have time in that the next election is about 17 months away.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on December 15, 2017, 09:35:15 AM
Swings:

UCP: +8.35% (from combined WRP + PC)
NDP: -15.24%
ALP: +4.48%

UCP notional HOLD (+11.80%)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: Njall on December 15, 2017, 10:18:03 AM
In looking through the Lougheed results, one point of interest is that it appears Kenney underperformed in the northern part of the riding (Woodbine and Woodlands; the area north of Fish Creek Park), which is whiter, older, and wealthier than the riding as a whole. This is a reverse of results from the 2015 provincial and 2017 municipal election, where the northern part of the riding was friendlier to conservatives compared to the southern part. It's possible that this was caused by lower turnout amongst NDP-friendly younger voters, who are more prominent in the south of the riding (particularly in Bridlewood, the community that was built most recently out of those in the riding), combined with Kenney's organizational strength in minority communities (which are also more prominent in the south, with notable Chinese and Filipino concentrations), but that's a pure guess.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on December 15, 2017, 12:03:42 PM
Well, the NDP and combined conservative vote was more evenly distributed in 2015.

Here are the election day results by neighbourhood:

Bridlewood
UCP: 69.6% (+10.2)
NDP: 19.6% (-14.9)
ALP: 7.9% (+2.1)

Evergreen
UCP: 74.2% (+9.7)
NDP: 14.2% (-16.8 )
ALP: 9.4% (+4.8 )

Woodbine
UCP: 63.0% (+0.6)
NDP: 21.3% (-11.2)
ALP: 11.8% (+6.8 )

Woodlands
UCP: 61.6% (-2.2)
NDP: 23.4% (-7.7)
ALP: 12.3% (+7.1)

Interesting swing in Woodlands...


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: Lotuslander on December 16, 2017, 12:39:29 AM

Also in BC, it will be interesting to see how the Green Party does in Kelowna West as using your argument they should decline although since the BC Liberals are likely to get over 50% won't be enough for the NDP to pick it up, but perhaps increase their vote share.  The only way the NDP could ever win this is if there was no Greens and the BC Conservatives were really strong and split the right wing vote perfectly evenly which won't happen anytime soon.

Interesting tidbit about 4 fed by-elections, which I heard on Global news - largest NDP pop. vote decrease was in SS-WR compared to 2015. Not surprising since NDP *brand* in BC always diminishes/collapses  after BC NDP wins gov't in BC. Compared to post 1972/1991 BC NDP gov't elections, this drop is earliest yet. Remember that fed NDP brand collapsed after 1 1/2 years of BC NDP gov't in subsequent 1974/1993 fed elections - to just 2 seats.

As for Kelowna West by-election - suspect BC Libs will again win well in excess of 60%. With current BC poli political fallout... either Greens or perhaps even BCCP will supplant BC NDP 2nd place finish in 2017. I have no doubt about that. Another grab your bag of popcorn moment as results come in next February. ;)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: DC Al Fine on December 16, 2017, 09:48:01 AM
Not often you see two party leaders going head to head in a riding, even if one of them is DOA.

It reeks of desperation from the Liberals.  This kind of thing happens all the time actually, but almost exclusively by fringe parties.

Honestly, this is a good indicator that the Alberta Liberals are a fringe party. A relatively strong fringe party, but a fringe party nonetheless. Running one's leader against a major party leader is Christian Heritage/Marxist-Leninist/Libertarian territory.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on December 16, 2017, 03:00:14 PM
I wouldn't put them into fringe party status yet. Their by-election performance was... respectable... but definitely below expectations. But yeah, it was definitely a fringe party move to run their leader.  Real parties wait for a good opportunity ;)


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: DC Al Fine on December 17, 2017, 07:31:11 AM
I wouldn't put them into fringe party status yet. Their by-election performance was... respectable... but definitely below expectations. But yeah, it was definitely a fringe party move to run their leader.  Real parties wait for a good opportunity ;)

I guess it depends on how one defines fringe parties. I would put them at the same level as the federal Greens.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: 136or142 on December 18, 2017, 08:40:50 AM
None of those seats are NDP targets. Don't buy into the pundit narrative that the NDP is dead because it did terrible in a bunch of seats they didn't really bother to campaign in.

One very important thing to realize when it comes to by-elections (and this should be evident to anyone who has followed more than a half dozen over the years) is that typically voters treat them differently than general elections, in that they often become strict two-party races compared to how they would vote in a general election. Whether this is because would-be third party voters are staying home or voting strategically is up for debate, but the evidence is clear. Even though there is no difference between a by-election and a general election in terms of how our voting system works, voters psychological inclinations are different. In a general election, voters will often vote for their preferred party rather than candidate, while in a by-election it is more about the local race.

You needn't go any further than the Vaughan 2010 by-election to see what I mean. The NDP won just 1.7% of the vote; 5 months later they went back up to 12% in the riding, and we all know how well they did across the country in the 2011 election. Their pitiful result was not a harbinger for the future.

The next true test for the NDP will be in Outremont. Conventional wisdom suggests the Liberals will get it back, but tell that to Denis Coderre. The Montreal mayoral race was a good NDP-Liberal proxy race, and Plante won Outrement, so, I wouldn't count the NDP out there quite yet.

True, but I think these results suggest the NDP isn't really competitive nationally (not that you would necessarily disagree with that.)

I realize this part of Scarborough has never been a big NDP area but parts of Scarborough are and I think it may be indicative that the NDP can't break through in the rest of Scarborough despite having prominence in other parts of the (former) city and despite having elected a number of high profile people from Scarborough.

Of course, it's possible Scarborough is similar to Surrey.  Just because the NDP is competitive in North Surrey, I'd hardly expect them to be competitive in South Surrey.

In the case of Battlefords-Lloydminster, I gather this was smaller than the present riding and the additional areas aren't as NDP friendly, but the NDP won the previous riding of Battlefords-Meadow Lake at times up until 1993.  (The NDP was at times competitive in, but never won the Kindersley-Lloydminster riding.)

Of course, the demographics have changed and the NDP has changed as well, but, I think it's fair to say that neither Scarborough nor rural northern Saskatchewan aren't areas where the NDP is unheard of and that it's fair to question if it means anything that in these byelections that they basically received the vote share of a largish fringe party.



Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: Tintrlvr on December 18, 2017, 08:47:42 AM
I wouldn't put them into fringe party status yet. Their by-election performance was... respectable... but definitely below expectations. But yeah, it was definitely a fringe party move to run their leader.  Real parties wait for a good opportunity ;)

I guess it depends on how one defines fringe parties. I would put them at the same level as the federal Greens.

The federal Greens put up strong results whenever they run their leader somewhere (well, hasn't happened in a while since May has been an MP since 2011, but the results in London North Centre in 2006 and Central Nova in 2008 are pretty indicative). Not so true of the Alberta Liberals apparently.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on December 18, 2017, 11:51:11 AM
None of those seats are NDP targets. Don't buy into the pundit narrative that the NDP is dead because it did terrible in a bunch of seats they didn't really bother to campaign in.

One very important thing to realize when it comes to by-elections (and this should be evident to anyone who has followed more than a half dozen over the years) is that typically voters treat them differently than general elections, in that they often become strict two-party races compared to how they would vote in a general election. Whether this is because would-be third party voters are staying home or voting strategically is up for debate, but the evidence is clear. Even though there is no difference between a by-election and a general election in terms of how our voting system works, voters psychological inclinations are different. In a general election, voters will often vote for their preferred party rather than candidate, while in a by-election it is more about the local race.

You needn't go any further than the Vaughan 2010 by-election to see what I mean. The NDP won just 1.7% of the vote; 5 months later they went back up to 12% in the riding, and we all know how well they did across the country in the 2011 election. Their pitiful result was not a harbinger for the future.

The next true test for the NDP will be in Outremont. Conventional wisdom suggests the Liberals will get it back, but tell that to Denis Coderre. The Montreal mayoral race was a good NDP-Liberal proxy race, and Plante won Outrement, so, I wouldn't count the NDP out there quite yet.

True, but I think these results suggest the NDP isn't really competitive nationally (not that you would necessarily disagree with that.)

I realize this part of Scarborough has never been a big NDP area but parts of Scarborough are and I think it may be indicative that the NDP can't break through in the rest of Scarborough despite having prominence in other parts of the (former) city and despite having elected a number of high profile people from Scarborough.

Of course, it's possible Scarborough is similar to Surrey.  Just because the NDP is competitive in North Surrey, I'd hardly expect them to be competitive in South Surrey.

In the case of Battlefords-Lloydminster, I gather this was smaller than the present riding and the additional areas aren't as NDP friendly, but the NDP won the previous riding of Battlefords-Meadow Lake at times up until 1993.  (The NDP was at times competitive in, but never won the Kindersley-Lloydminster riding.)

Of course, the demographics have changed and the NDP has changed as well, but, I think it's fair to say that neither Scarborough nor rural northern Saskatchewan aren't areas where the NDP is unheard of and that it's fair to question if it means anything that in these byelections that they basically received the vote share of a largish fringe party.



If the NDP won a majority government, it would include exactly zero of those seats, so their result is indicative of nothing.

Though, I've come to terms with the fact that the NDP won't be winning a majority with Singh. They need rural Quebec to get a majority, and that's not happening. That's why the result in the Lac Saint Jean by-election is more worrisome.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: 136or142 on December 18, 2017, 12:36:33 PM
None of those seats are NDP targets. Don't buy into the pundit narrative that the NDP is dead because it did terrible in a bunch of seats they didn't really bother to campaign in.

One very important thing to realize when it comes to by-elections (and this should be evident to anyone who has followed more than a half dozen over the years) is that typically voters treat them differently than general elections, in that they often become strict two-party races compared to how they would vote in a general election. Whether this is because would-be third party voters are staying home or voting strategically is up for debate, but the evidence is clear. Even though there is no difference between a by-election and a general election in terms of how our voting system works, voters psychological inclinations are different. In a general election, voters will often vote for their preferred party rather than candidate, while in a by-election it is more about the local race.

You needn't go any further than the Vaughan 2010 by-election to see what I mean. The NDP won just 1.7% of the vote; 5 months later they went back up to 12% in the riding, and we all know how well they did across the country in the 2011 election. Their pitiful result was not a harbinger for the future.

The next true test for the NDP will be in Outremont. Conventional wisdom suggests the Liberals will get it back, but tell that to Denis Coderre. The Montreal mayoral race was a good NDP-Liberal proxy race, and Plante won Outrement, so, I wouldn't count the NDP out there quite yet.

True, but I think these results suggest the NDP isn't really competitive nationally (not that you would necessarily disagree with that.)

I realize this part of Scarborough has never been a big NDP area but parts of Scarborough are and I think it may be indicative that the NDP can't break through in the rest of Scarborough despite having prominence in other parts of the (former) city and despite having elected a number of high profile people from Scarborough.

Of course, it's possible Scarborough is similar to Surrey.  Just because the NDP is competitive in North Surrey, I'd hardly expect them to be competitive in South Surrey.

In the case of Battlefords-Lloydminster, I gather this was smaller than the present riding and the additional areas aren't as NDP friendly, but the NDP won the previous riding of Battlefords-Meadow Lake at times up until 1993.  (The NDP was at times competitive in, but never won the Kindersley-Lloydminster riding.)

Of course, the demographics have changed and the NDP has changed as well, but, I think it's fair to say that neither Scarborough nor rural northern Saskatchewan aren't areas where the NDP is unheard of and that it's fair to question if it means anything that in these byelections that they basically received the vote share of a largish fringe party.



If the NDP won a majority government, it would include exactly zero of those seats, so their result is indicative of nothing.

That is the argument I heard some NDP strategist state after the results of the by-elections and I was speculating right before coming here if you had the same opinion.  I personally can't see how the NDP gets to 170 seats without winning ridings where the NDP is sometimes strong at the provincial level and has been previously strong at the federal level like Battlefords-Lloydminster.  

Maybe the demographics of that riding are too difficult now for the NDP to win it, at least over the next few election cycles, but then what ridings do the NDP win to get to 170?

I admit I haven't looked riding by riding, but my guess is by the time you've listed 130 ridings or so, you're looking at ridings that include Battlefords-Lloydminster. 


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on December 18, 2017, 02:02:53 PM
Battlefords--Lloydminster isn't even an area the NDP needs to win provincial government in Saskatchewan.

An NDP majority would basically be the 2011 map expanded to include smaller urban areas in Ontario, winning rural seats in Atlantic Canada, urban areas on the Prairies, winning most of Edmonton, and winning in traditional seats in rural BC and inner-suburban BC. Battlefords-Lloydminster is a safe Conservative seat, and is thus not attainable.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: MaxQue on December 18, 2017, 06:12:01 PM
Thomas Mulcair will resign in June 2018.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: 136or142 on December 18, 2017, 07:51:19 PM
Battlefords--Lloydminster isn't even an area the NDP needs to win provincial government in Saskatchewan.

While this is mathematically possible, I regard it as very difficult.  The NDP could get a narrow provincial majority government by winning the 25 seats in Saskatoon/Regina, the 2 Northern seats, and the 4 seats in Prince Albert/Moose Jaw  for a total of 31 of the 61 ridings.

We all know the cliche about pulling the inside straight.

When the NDP last won a majority government in Saskatchewan in 2003 winning 30 of 58 seats, they lost a handful of seats in Saskatoon/Regina.

The best bets in case of losses in these 31 are the three small city seats of Yorkton, The Battlefords and (less likely) Swift Current along with (historically) a handful of rural northern ridings.  In 2003, the NDP's Maynard Sonntag held Meadow Lake while Lon Borgerson gained from the Sask Party the neighboring riding (I think it's neighboring anyway) of Saskatchewan Rivers.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: Jeppe on December 19, 2017, 08:40:43 AM
Lloydminster is one of the most conservative parts of Saskatchewan, the Sask Party almost broke 90% there in the last provincial election. Aside from the Battlefords and some reserves, there aren’t very many Sask NDP friendly places either. However, you’ll probably see a number of federal Conservatives defecting to the provincial NDP in the next elections which could make some rural seats competitive. Saskatchewan Rivers, Meadow Lake, and Batoche are all seats that could flip to the NDP, given that their rural voters are more elastic than in other parts of the country.

Either way, when there’s a huge swing, seats that weren’t competitive become competitive, like Toronto-Danforth, St. John East, basically every single seat in Alberta in the last provincial election, etc. Just looking at the numbers from when the NDP got drubbed by 30 points, and deducing that’s it’s impossible for them to win because there weren’t enough competitive seats back then isn’t something that makes a lot of sense. Some polls showed the NDP and Sask Party tied or very close in rural Saskatchewan, so the old maps and results might not be the best predictor, given they show the results from when  the NDP got crushed by 50 points in that region.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on December 19, 2017, 11:21:21 AM
Lloydminster swung heavily to the SP in the last election (resources?) as well as that region of Saskatchewan in general. As an urban area though, The Battlefords is winnable, and is probably a riding they will have to win to form government. I was thinking more of the rural area around it when I made my last post. 


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: Jeppe on December 19, 2017, 02:31:30 PM
Assuming there's no early election, there will be several provincial by-elections in Saskatchewan. Swift Current, Kindersley, and Melfort. Rumours are swirling that Don McMorris (the former disgraced Deputy Premier who was caught drinking and driving) will retire soon too, and that Alanna Koch would run in his seat if she won the leadership, seeing as she lives in his constituency (Indian Head-Milestone).

Lloydminster is weird, and I'm still not convinced the result wasn't a tabulating error or something. A large reserve poll that voted 419-14 for the NDP in 2011 disappeared in the 2016 general election, which explains the huge shift (besides the Alberta NDP, but the mystery of the disappearing reserve is far more interesting). Maybe they didn't have access to a polling place on the reserve or something, but I found it really weird.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on December 19, 2017, 03:22:24 PM
Well, taking a look at election-atlas.ca, it appears the poll flipped to the Liberals (!?) and saw a dramatic decrease in turnout. Maybe they removed an on-reserve polling station? Terrible if true.

But, there was a huge swing to the SP in that whole part of the province:

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Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: adma on December 19, 2017, 11:45:53 PM
It could also depend on who the NDP was running last time, what kind of campaign, etc.

Speaking of all that, another dilemma facing the Sask NDP is the lack of a "split in the right": presently, it's the most "binary" province, with Lib and Green totally fringe-marginal or verging on it...


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: 136or142 on December 20, 2017, 08:32:01 AM
It could also depend on who the NDP was running last time, what kind of campaign, etc.

Speaking of all that, another dilemma facing the Sask NDP is the lack of a "split in the right": presently, it's the most "binary" province, with Lib and Green totally fringe-marginal or verging on it...

Why is Saskatchewan as a 'binary' province necessarily a problem for the Saskatchewan NDP?

I realize it's been a problem for the B.C NDP (made worse by the emergence of the B.C Green Party) but, I've written about that before.  The problem here is that the B.C NDP has been frequently dominated by the more extreme elements of the party membership (the more militant public sector unions, the hardline social activists) and, due to party membership rules, these extreme members can't effectively be counterbalanced by those who support the Federal Liberals.

In Saskatchewan, the federal Liberal Party is much weaker and the NDP has a history of pragmatism and moderation.  (Roy Romanow is sometimes referred to as the best Liberal premier in Saskatchewan history. I'm sure before Romanow, Allen Blakeney was referred to in the same way.)  I'm not sure any reason why federal Liberal voters could not swing between the Sask Party and the provincial NDP.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on December 20, 2017, 10:00:21 AM
In the past, the NDP has often times been helped by a split on the right between the PCs (later SP) and the Liberals.  This was definitely true the last time the NDP won in 1999 (of course, the Liberals ended up helping the NDP minority government, so maybe they weren't all that right wing at the time).

Let's look at some recent NDP wins:
1999: NDP vote: 39%; SP+Lib: 60% (the SP alone won a plurality of the popular vote)
1995: NDP vote: 47%; PC+Lib: 53%
1991: NDP: 51%; PC+Lib: 49%

1978: NDP: 48%; Lib+PC: 52%
1975: NDP: 40%; Lib+PC: 59%
1971: NDP: 55%; Lib+PC: 45%

The NDP has more often than not benefited from a split on their right. But interestingly, the last two times they've won big have been when ending the reign of the previous governing party (also true for the CCF in 1944). Certainly a good omen for the next election.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: Jeppe on December 20, 2017, 10:16:29 AM
It could also depend on who the NDP was running last time, what kind of campaign, etc.

Speaking of all that, another dilemma facing the Sask NDP is the lack of a "split in the right": presently, it's the most "binary" province, with Lib and Green totally fringe-marginal or verging on it...

Also keep in mind that in Western Canada in general, it isn’t that rare to see Conservative voters defect to the NDP and vice versa, especially in provincial election. Right now the NDP is taking the lion’s share of federal Liberal voters in the province, which is how they’re staying competitive.

The biggest problem for the NDP might be that is their vote share might be too inefficient, especially if they’re winning Regina and Saskatoon by 20-30 points as indicated by polling.

Also, there’s still chatter about a possible early election. It’d be pretty crazy if the interim leader had to lead the party in a general election and ended up winning. Has something like that ever happened before? Especially if a leadership election was about to take place.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: Jeppe on December 20, 2017, 10:23:53 AM
Another possible reason that the Sask Party might call an early election is because the Sask Party membership has tripled from 10,000 to almost 30,000. For a province as small as Saskatchewan, that’s a HUGE figure. That’s basically the amount of people living in Moose Jaw, one of the largest cities in the province.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 22, 2017, 03:37:16 PM
Outremont: (http://lesactualites.ca/index.php/2017/12/19/mulcair-demissionnerait-au-printemps-la-course-a-la-succession-est-ouverte/) potential candidates include a Mulcair staffer for the NDP, 2015 candidate Rachel Bendayan for the Grits. Justin will presumably want a high-profile person in this seat (as usual, I pity the locals in that riding) Mulcair's resignation might not take effect till September.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: mileslunn on December 22, 2017, 05:06:13 PM
Outremont: (http://lesactualites.ca/index.php/2017/12/19/mulcair-demissionnerait-au-printemps-la-course-a-la-succession-est-ouverte/) potential candidates include a Mulcair staffer for the NDP, 2015 candidate Rachel Bendayan for the Grits. Justin will presumably want a high-profile person in this seat (as usual, I pity the locals in that riding) Mulcair's resignation might not take effect till September.

Might be a three peat for the Liberals as this was traditionally a Liberal stronghold so I would put money on them retaking it.  That being said it is an urban multicultural riding so unlike the regions of Quebec where the NDP is probably dead in the water, they still might be competitive here.  BQ and Tories are not likely to be a factor and both will just be happy to get their deposits back.

Chicoutimi-Le Fjord should probably stay Liberal although not a Liberal stronghold by any means but none of the other three parties are in a strong enough position at the moment to snatch it although each of the other three could win it under the right conditions, but those don't exist at the moment.

Another by-election was hasn't been called but will have to be soon is Kelowna West in BC, although this should largely be a snoozer as it is a very safe BC Liberal riding.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: adma on December 23, 2017, 12:06:25 AM
Might be a three peat for the Liberals as this was traditionally a Liberal stronghold so I would put money on them retaking it.  That being said it is an urban multicultural riding so unlike the regions of Quebec where the NDP is probably dead in the water, they still might be competitive here.  BQ and Tories are not likely to be a factor and both will just be happy to get their deposits back.

Outremont may be a "traditional Liberal stronghold"; however, much of it *also* happens to be a present-day Quebec Solidaire/Projet Montreal stronghold, which is more than you can say of those "other Quebec regions".  That said, the Liberals will probably try hard to confine that element to its Mile End-ish bulwark while sweeping multiculti Cote-des-Neiges...


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: 136or142 on December 23, 2017, 02:21:04 AM
Outremont: (http://lesactualites.ca/index.php/2017/12/19/mulcair-demissionnerait-au-printemps-la-course-a-la-succession-est-ouverte/) potential candidates include a Mulcair staffer for the NDP, 2015 candidate Rachel Bendayan for the Grits. Justin will presumably want a high-profile person in this seat (as usual, I pity the locals in that riding) Mulcair's resignation might not take effect till September.

Might be a three peat for the Liberals as this was traditionally a Liberal stronghold so I would put money on them retaking it.  That being said it is an urban multicultural riding so unlike the regions of Quebec where the NDP is probably dead in the water, they still might be competitive here.  BQ and Tories are not likely to be a factor and both will just be happy to get their deposits back.

Chicoutimi-Le Fjord should probably stay Liberal although not a Liberal stronghold by any means but none of the other three parties are in a strong enough position at the moment to snatch it although each of the other three could win it under the right conditions, but those don't exist at the moment.

Another by-election was hasn't been called but will have to be soon is Kelowna West in BC, although this should largely be a snoozer as it is a very safe BC Liberal riding.

In Chicoutimi-Le Fjord, is there any chance the NDP could take it back if former M.P Dany Morin runs for them again?  He did pretty well in narrowly losing in 2015.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: MaxQue on December 23, 2017, 02:33:11 AM
Outremont: (http://lesactualites.ca/index.php/2017/12/19/mulcair-demissionnerait-au-printemps-la-course-a-la-succession-est-ouverte/) potential candidates include a Mulcair staffer for the NDP, 2015 candidate Rachel Bendayan for the Grits. Justin will presumably want a high-profile person in this seat (as usual, I pity the locals in that riding) Mulcair's resignation might not take effect till September.

Might be a three peat for the Liberals as this was traditionally a Liberal stronghold so I would put money on them retaking it.  That being said it is an urban multicultural riding so unlike the regions of Quebec where the NDP is probably dead in the water, they still might be competitive here.  BQ and Tories are not likely to be a factor and both will just be happy to get their deposits back.

Chicoutimi-Le Fjord should probably stay Liberal although not a Liberal stronghold by any means but none of the other three parties are in a strong enough position at the moment to snatch it although each of the other three could win it under the right conditions, but those don't exist at the moment.

Another by-election was hasn't been called but will have to be soon is Kelowna West in BC, although this should largely be a snoozer as it is a very safe BC Liberal riding.

In Chicoutimi-Le Fjord, is there any chance the NDP could take it back if former M.P Dany Morin runs for them again?  He did pretty well in narrowly losing in 2015.

He's thinking about it.


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: 136or142 on December 23, 2017, 02:55:44 AM
Outremont: (http://lesactualites.ca/index.php/2017/12/19/mulcair-demissionnerait-au-printemps-la-course-a-la-succession-est-ouverte/) potential candidates include a Mulcair staffer for the NDP, 2015 candidate Rachel Bendayan for the Grits. Justin will presumably want a high-profile person in this seat (as usual, I pity the locals in that riding) Mulcair's resignation might not take effect till September.

Might be a three peat for the Liberals as this was traditionally a Liberal stronghold so I would put money on them retaking it.  That being said it is an urban multicultural riding so unlike the regions of Quebec where the NDP is probably dead in the water, they still might be competitive here.  BQ and Tories are not likely to be a factor and both will just be happy to get their deposits back.

Chicoutimi-Le Fjord should probably stay Liberal although not a Liberal stronghold by any means but none of the other three parties are in a strong enough position at the moment to snatch it although each of the other three could win it under the right conditions, but those don't exist at the moment.

Another by-election was hasn't been called but will have to be soon is Kelowna West in BC, although this should largely be a snoozer as it is a very safe BC Liberal riding.

In Chicoutimi-Le Fjord, is there any chance the NDP could take it back if former M.P Dany Morin runs for them again?  He did pretty well in narrowly losing in 2015.

He's thinking about it.

Thanks!


Title: Re: Canadian by-elections, 2017 (next event: Calgary-Lougheed, AB prov.: Dec 14)
Post by: adma on December 24, 2017, 12:21:49 AM
If Valerie Plante is still in honeymoon mode, her support would be a big boost to whomever runs for the NDP in Outremont (though I could just as well see her being strategically neutral)