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BREAKING: Trump Fires Comey (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/09/trump-fires-fbi-director-james-comey-238175)

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Considering Comey basically won Trump the election, then that's some lack of gratitude.

Also now Comey is free to say what he knows about Trump...

The timing, as always, is unusual.

I am visibly sick.

Comey can go back to private law. That's what lawyers do. Go back to private law like Kenneth Starr.

Nixon on steroids.

Wow...

:o

The senate needs to create a independent committee.

Trump is guilty as .

So the Russian investigation must be heating up and Trump must be getting worried. How shocking that Trump is now trying to destroy an active FBI investigation by changing the director.

This came out of nowhere and looks highly suspicious.

.................

Surely has nothing to hide, right?

What an ungrateful punk!

Of course this is the final nail in proving Trump is guilty of serious crimes against the Constitution in the election. Firing Comey is a sign he wants to stop the ongoing investigations.

I will now accept my accolades. :)

How will it help him to 'hide anything'?

The Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General are the ones who recommended Comey's termination.

This is crazy. There has to be an independent investigation now.

It doesn't.....but Trump is a moron.

I just so tired of all this winning.

AG recommendation. (https://twitter.com/KatyTurNBC/status/862062047357542400)

The stated reason for firing? Mishandling "muh emails"...


This is not really that much of a good thing.

Well, this wasn't expected... :o

So... another job for Jared?

Comey
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Surely this isn't suspicious at all am I right guys?

I know this is a bad thing but I can't help feeling good that Comey lost his job-serves him right!

Somewhere, the ghost of Richard Nixon is smiling.

The White House statement:

FBI Directors serve terms that overlap with different presidencies for a reason. And as Yank said, it won't really hide anything, but likely an attempt for him to install a loyalist who he believes will protect him. This isn't normal behavior, and it's highly suspicious.

So who's the creature Trump will put up to replace him? Rudy Guiliani? Trey Gowdy? This is bad...

I say we make Hillary special prosecutor.

So.....all the bitching in earlier months that comey needs to be fired is out the window because the guy you hate ended up doing it?

Pure hypocrisy.

Something stinks really bad. We need to get to the bottom of it quickly. Hopefully, Comey will talk.

So hey, do you believe anything about Trump and Russia? Or are you cool with everything in that department?

I'm guessing you actually don't mind that the investigation might be hurt because you don't want the truth eh?

Deflect, deflect, deflect

Does anyone have the attached letter from Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein? I heard excerpts from it on MSNBC and it's jaw dropping.

They are going to go down with this ship.

James Kallstrom will be the next FBI director.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness

Looks like Ramsay just stabbed Roose Bolton.

If you're going to fire him, you fire him at the beginning of your administration not in the heat of an FBI investigation into your campaign.

How can you complain that Comey helped Trump win the election because of the way he handled the emails and then complain again when Trump fires Comey for the way he handled the emails?

Well don't be too mean. Marty is a devout believer in Trump and needs the bad Russian story to go away because it's gonna help the big bad liberals. He runs away a lot from debates too because he doesn't really justify his opinion. Kind of cowardice, in a way but hey what can you do?

So reflection is his mental way of handling it.  *shrugs*

I thought you all would be happy. Make your minds up on Comey already!

Came here to make a GoT reference. Well done.

Why did it take this long to fire him then? It is obvious what is going on in here and you Trump hacks know it.

WHY WOULD YOU FIRE A MAN WHO NOW HAS FREE REIGN TO LEAK AND SAY WHATEVER HE WANTS?

This board is so ate up with derangement syndrome that it cannot think.

If hillary had fired comey, you folks would be creaming in your underpants.

You're the one typing in all caps

The FBI is a large bureaucracy with a lot of egos and pride. A new director is not going to derail their law enforcement work. Comey became a celebrity and turned FBI investigations into a media circus. He couldn't possibly stay.

Horrible decision. Don't like the man but there is now literally no accountability. Troubling times.

Because Trump and the people around him aren't that smart.

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Crazy...

President can fire FBI director regardless... for a reason.


It is sort of other way around if one thinks a while. Trump must be damn sure there is nothing out there, because now the media will 100% attention to ANY (resonable or not) leak, rumor, idea you name it. Now there will be MUCH MORE scrutiny from the media/Dems/anywhere.

Don't you think so? :)

Or you think Trump didn't understand it?

I support Comey losing his job but this is bad because Trump will replace him with someone worse.

Deflect, deflect, deflect. Answer the question: do you believes there's a problem with Russia that should be investigated?

/s

Wait, just early today, liberal hacks were screaming that Comey lied to Congress under oath about the e-mails.

While I understand that these hacks are deeply saddened that their Hillary! goddess lost, I thought they hated Comey and wanted him fired.

Trump does what they want, and now they are mad?

Sense this does not make.

Trump never references that in his letter to Comey, so it may as well not matter as to why Comey was fired.

This board is FAR, FAR left of the mainstream. Further left than DU in many respects.

The next FBI Director is either Rod Wheeler, Rudy Giuliani, James Kallstrom, Jeanine Pirro, or Chris Christie, so it doesn't matter what the Russian-Trump-Clinton investigation will look like.

Can you say cover up boys an girls

Answer the question on Russia.

You're free to give Trump all the benefit of the doubt in the world, and while he's savvy in a number of areas, he's also dumb as dirt in others. My guess is he probably thought this would help his situation overall, even if it resulted in some bad coverage. In the end it'll probably be as effective as Nixon's actions, assuming investigations actually do turn up criminal actions by Trump and his campaign. Or maybe nothing ever comes of this. Who knows, but I still don't agree with you.

Bingo!

If Comey is being fired for what happened to Clinton, why is this happening in May and not in January or February?

No.

It is obvious as hell.

This SHOULD be big. But given how things have gone so far I expect we'll just end up with FBI Director David Clarke 3 months from now.

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Trump was overheard discussing potential replacements:

"How about John McClane or Rambo?  Wait, I know: Paul Kersey.  An outsider like me would be good."

:D

Nah why would I? You're deflecting and you want to troll us so I'm just challenging your assertions here.

You want your critics to stop arguing with you, means your case must be weaker than you think eh? Either you stand the heat or get out of the kitchen.

Jesus Christ...how more obvious can it be that Trump made a deal with the Russians. Eric Trump already spilled a lot of the beans already anyways.

Why should he? You're the one acting like a deranged lunatic here, swearing at people and typing in all caps because people are talking ill of your orange messiah. The guy is a fraud and quite likely a traitor for conspiring with Russia. No one cares if you dislike that or not, so either you present your case civilly and logically or you should leave.

No one's buying the Administration's excuse. Not good!

Hillary Clinton or Tim Kaine would have fired Comey as well, especially after what he did on Oct. 28 and Nov. 6. So I don't see what the big deal is. Clinton-Kaine would have chosen a left wing lawyer just like how Trump would pick a right wing lawyer. It is what it is.

No, no, wait. It'll be Rudy.

Guy on CNN says Trump called Dianne Feinstein about this lol.

So basically... both sides would have done it?

Except neither Hillary Clinton nor Tim Kaine would have been under investigation by the F.B.I.  Duhhhhhhhhh

Why should he? Because you don't like what he's saying? Or what he might say? You're starting to sound like someone familiar...

Keep defending this sh**tshow, Trump hacks.

Neither is Trump.

Yeah, TD's posts are incredibly high quality. If anything, we need fewer martys and more TDs.

Perhaps you didn't venture over to the Atlas section of the board? Where liberal after liberal petition for conservatives to be banned?

Tears, no I am amused.

This is going to end badly for you guys.

lol someone actually typed this unironically...

How does a mediocre "but-both-sides-do-it" whine challenge my comment in any way?

Funnily enough not a liberal here.

Keep telling yourself that. I'm sure it will help you sleep better tonight.

Yes he is
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/its-official-the-fbi-is-investigating-trumps-links-to-russia/520134/

u hv sme gr8 & orginal mems wth 0 b8

No he isn't. An article from March? From the frickin ATLANTIC?

HAHHAHAHAHHAH!

With text that doesn't match the headline?

You really are desperate.

You are trying so hard! But you still get an F.

This seems to be massively backfiring on GOP so far in terms of hot takes and narrative

In all honesty, there could have been a case to be made for Trump asking Comey to step down around the inauguration after everything last year. "Fresh start," so on. Doing it now reeks of something bad, even if Rosensrein's arguments hold water out of context. As usual, this administration can't do anything without looking like petty, crooked morons

You expect the FBI to complete an investigation in one month?

In a sense, yes. If only Bill Weld was the Libertarian nominee instead of Johnson. You think Clinton would have wanted the man who investigated her to continue leading the F.B.I.?

Eh I wouldn't get too far ahead of ourselves here. Trump does erratic things all the time. So go ahead and attack me as a Trump hack when I didn't even vote for him but cmon some of you guys are foaming at the mouth.

Once again... read slowly. You are posting an old article, from THE ATLANTIC, with a headline that doesn't match the text of the article.

I'm sure that you don't actually understand the distinction. I'll give you a cookie if you can figure out where you stepped off the tracks of reality.

https://youtu.be/q2FYkdG4l-8

Go to a hospital and settle down.

I wonder who'll be cleaning out Comey's desk today, considering he's in Los Angeles:

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/fbi-special-agent-dar-recruiting-event-with-director-james-comey-hollywood-may-9-2017-registration-33897884485

Honestly, we have heard that since... 'They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.'

But why? I mean, there has to be a reason

Except it's not a cookie, it's horse sh**t, you just can't tell the difference.

The Tuesday Night Massacre...

I don't think she would have wanted it, but I'm not entirely convinced she would have fired him either. It would have been very damning and if Republicans controlled a chamber of Congress (very likely), it would have sparked even more investigations. Everything else aside, Hillary is not an idiot.

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Also, jfc people, just stop the petty insults already.

Fair, though Saturday Night Massavre Comparisons don't help anyone

What can you expect? They're panicking; they can't help it.

No Trump supporter can answer the question: how do we have faith in Donald Trump's ability to appoint a FBI director when there are active FBI investigations into Trump's campaign with Russia? How do we have any faith that this wasn't motivated, in part, by the Russian investigation Comey led?

I keep asking that question because I believe that the Trump supporters can't answer it.

By the way I thought Comey did fine and I thought Clinton was pretty unethical so dont throw that bull at me.

Get a special persecutor in here immediately. 

FOX reporting diane feinstein was instrumental in the decision to fire him.

Trying to find diamonds in the shit, I see

Yeah you're deflecting. You're just trolling at this point and trying to go for “The Democrats are onboard this.“

My questions on Russia and Trump stand. At least be honest enough to tell us you don't actually care about the investigation.

I have said THREE times in this thread that the russia stuff needs to be investigated and that there were shady people working in the campaign. I will say nothing more until evidence is presented.

Do you morons think investigators are carried out by directors?

I like how it was all “bitter liberals screaming!” but when we get to the heart  of the matter -- the involvement with Russia the Trump people refuse to engage and deflect, hiding behind the insults.

Of course not, but a new director can stop an investigation, you moron.

A ton of FBI and IC people will leak like sieves if there's a there there and Trump tries to shut it down, frankly. Still on the fence about the merits of Comey himself, who really should have been gone a while ago

Ah, now we're getting somewhere. You were pretty EnglishPete for a while trying to dodge.

Now answer the second half of my questions: why aren't you concerned about the conflict of interest that Donald Trump would have in replacing Comey? You specifically say directors don't carry out investigations but they have considerable power over them and make the final recommendations to prosecute -- or not to.

Quick question for Trump supporters. Do you guys support having a special prosecutor lead the investigation?

I mean if Trump is clean then what does he have to hide?

The Senate can't keeping ignoring this.

Get a special prosecutor.

I dont care about Feinstein, I don't care about 2016, I dont care about all of that. What I want to know is simple: how you guarantee a full and fair investigation of Trump's connections to Russia with a Trump - led FBI director who has to sign off on the orders and guide the investigation.

This is what matters.

Calm down people, Stop the insults or I will lock the thread.

Schumer is to hold a press conference on this per Politico.

Totally agree. And it is so obvious we'll get a lot of leaking. Everyone understands it (including Trump, of course).

But then we assume that there is something to leak.

The problem is that it seems that the only clue they've got is Flynn. And 99% about him is already leaked. Now we just reiterate 'Flynn is so incompetent and Trump knew it'.

Anyone else, wondering why they've stopped leaking? ::)

Why lock the thread instead of punishing the posters insulting people?

Yes. Dems can go ahead and keep 'investigating' this politically created accusation til the end of time. I don't care.

I'm not a stupid person. I know BS when I see it. If dems want to waste their time steeped in their own hatred, pushing their concocted hit narrative instead of trying to actually rebuild their broken party, then so be it. You people are willing tools and that's just sad. Your hatred is so great that you are blinded from the simple truth.

And that's that the American people so thoroughly rejected your party ideas (segregation/identity politics) that the dems are now at their lowest elective force in a century. I know it may not seem that way to you, given the kind of media you consume. But it's the truth. The dems are a broken party who are now exclusively driven by the idea that their political opposition is nefarious and evil.

But you just keep searching for the 'evidence' that you haven't found yet. Just know that the people who are pushing this narrative don't love you like you love them. You are just their willing tool.

In short, you guys are 'bubble-lized'. You have no understanding of the world outside of the media talking heads. You're brainwashed.

Just to be clear Trump is saying that he is now in the month of May firing Comey over how he handled Hillary's emails back in July of last year.........that is so freakin' lazy the public should feel insulted

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Engage me. Why do you think the Russian allegations are false?

I did.

However:

https://twitter.com/SenJohnMcCain/status/862083263845871616 (https://twitter.com/SenJohnMcCain/status/862083263845871616)

Despite all the witch hunt hysteria that's been going on for months now over this Trump/Russia conspiracy theory one has been able to produce actual evidence that withstands scrutiny to back up the claims that Trump campaign was linked to Russian hacking of the election or that the Russians even hacked the election in the first place.

Because there is no evidence of it.

You overestimate the senate.

THATS WHY YOU HAVE INVESTIGATIONS

Okay got you down for “No Russian allegations are credible,” so moving on.

I know, you can't really on them to do anything.

Whoops, sorry then!

A couple thoughts.

First, this isn't "out of the blue". It's being reported that Comey lied to Congress when he testified about the basis for his pre-election attack on Clinton.

Second, Comey absolutely deserved to be fired. He should have been fired by Obama when he decided to make the unprecedented move to intervene in the election. (Pick whichever time you want.) He should have been fired by Trump as part of his zealous housecleaning. That he wasn't fired back in January, and there wasn't a time set for his departure was horrible optics. Of course, the reason he probably hasn't been fired is that firing him would *also* be horrible optics.

And speaking of horrible optics, yes, this look really, really bad. Sure, there's the perjury story. But the facts are that Trump fired the head of the FBI the day after high-profile testimony into Trump's own campaign's ties to Russia. And he did so in the most draconian and flashy way possible. And explicitly for talking about ongoing investigations. Maybe Trump really wanted to say "you're fired". Or maybe he thought this was the best chance he'd get to (deservedly) fire Comey.

It was probably impossible for this so-called President to fire the Director of the FBI without a stink, but once again Trump demonstrates that at anything but conning marks, he's awful, with all the political instincts of a megalomaniacal lemming.

Ok if there is no evidence but Comey was leading an investigation, surely there should be no problem with a special prosecutor right? To clear the air with the concerns raised in multiple quarters including from GOP senators?

Or is there no conflict of interest in the fact Trump is appointing a FBI director who is overseeing that investigation?

THAT'S WHY I SAID I'M OKAY WITH INVESTIGATIONS.

Also, they've been investigating for 6 months. This is a witch hunt. Everyone knows it.

Listen to Fienstien. She's old enough to remember a time when dems weren't taken over by SJWs. This Russian nonsense is only hurting you guys.

McCain as usual will defend the man with an R next to his name.

Just you watch

No allegation is credible unless it is backed up by evidence.

Is it okay for someone to accuse you, TD, of being a child molester with no proof?

The point was always to demonstrate that the Right either believes the intelligence community (the deep state) and the concerns of our allies were to be dismissed as merely as part of a vast liberal conspiracy against the President or to acknowledge the firing was under extremely questionable circumstances.

EP subscribe to the belief that the deep state is against Donald Trump and that there is a vast liberal conspiracy so I'm not engaging them because their answers are clear and there's not much to go on.  Sanchez and Marty haven't answered and they think that there is a conflict of interest.

Let's go with your example.

Of course not. Of course if multiple people are saying I am a child molester and they don't have connections to each other perhaps we should investigate me. There's no harm in doing so; if I'm innocent, I'll be cleared. If I'm guilty then its worth the investigating, right?

Further if I fired one of the investigators and replaced him you would be understandably upset.

lol.

You just asked for me to engage you. Now that I have (with very simple 'there's no evidence of these accusation' logic), you're floundering.

I just answered you actually. Not floundering at all. I'm happy to debate this. I'll strike your name from that comment.

Mirror, mirror, on the wall.....

How long should they keep investigating you for? 6 months? Two years? Four? Eight?

What if after eight years they still haven't found proof that you are a child molester, but hey, we gotta keep investigating!

What if your name was dragged through the mud every single day, with headlines like 'TD under investigation for child molestation charges'.

Every single day.

The feds just haven't found the evidence yet. They just need to keep investigating more!

As I said, this is all political BS and everyone knows it. But because liberals are 'bubble-lized, they think this nonsense actually helps them.

I predict big losses in 2018 for dems.

Comey screwed up badly with the Clinton emails, but Trump has zero respect for people.

Honestly, **** him.

Well let's explore the example more. Let's say the suspicions were that I ran a huge child prostitution ring in fact. Let's say the investigation began about a year ago, less than that, and started because of happenstance and that a serious investigation only started happening a couple of months ago. Let's say that several of my associates have raised questions about me.

Shouldn't a massive investigation require time - including more than just several months? And shouldn't it be fully funded and fully staffed to either  clear my name or prosecute me?

There are suggestions that now that Comey has been fired that the Hillary Clinton e-mail investigation might be reopened.

Jesus ing Christ.

You know a story is good when it drags JJC out of whatever pit he was dwelling in.

I want preet bharara to be nominated as FBI director

From Rep. Justin Amash:


https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/862089192603607041 (https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/862089192603607041)

I'd be in favor of that.

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Doesn't even have the balls to call Comey himself.

CNN, LOL

One more thing and I mean this. It would be nice if we stopped looking at this as a partisan football. We should hope Trump is innocent. And let's be honest I hate that man but if he's guilty the republic will take a serious hit. I'd rather he lost in 2020 on the merits not that we had a second impeachment in 50 years. This isn't intended as a bronz post or moderate hero garbage.

Democrats should remember what caused the fall of Rome and other republics. It's the loss of faith in public institutions. And the Trump supporters should honestly welcome a full and independent probe. If Trump's guilty your policy aims are better achieved with Pence (who would win my vote if he's innocent). A Donald Trump dogged by Russian allegations is a Donald Trump who is all that much weaker and can't accomplish all you hope for.

Who's 'you guys'.

The Feds? I don't think so.

But for fun, imagine if Trump did the things Bill Clinton did while in office.

Do you think the media would treat him the same?😂

Regardless, Comey was an incompetent creature of politics who tried to please everyone instead of just doing his job.

For one, he should have prosecuted Clinton when he publicly stated the she clearly broke a bunch of federal laws (with evidence!). Instead, he let her off the hook claiming there was no intent (like WTF?How do you set up a private server and then delete all of the data one day after it was subpoenaed without intent?). But even if it was true, negligence is no excuse. Aren't we all taught that in civics class? Apparently the Clinton's get a bypass because of her political position. Yay. Then he bungled the Huma investigation (which, again, evidence showed that Huma transmitted classified emails to Wieners phone.) Why isn't Huma being charged? And why am I not surprised?

Comey needed to go. I'm fairly confident that Trump wanted to fire him from week one, yet held back precisely because of the optics of it. And if linton had one, probably would have wished to the same, yet would have held back as well, for precisely the same reason.

But now its been 6 months. There's nothing there to the Russian nonsense as been proven by continual witchhunt and demagoguery. Comey's time has come.

LOL.
You say that "I'm not a stupid person. I know BS when I see it."
Well tell us how your vast intelligence feels about items such as ....

People who believe that Obama was not born in the USA (Hawaii) ?
People who believe that Obama is Muslim (even though he has been seen going to a Christian church many times) ?
People who believe when an orange-haired clown says that he saw "thousands and thousands of Muslims celebrating when the twin towers fell" ?
People who believe that Obama wire-tapped the phones at trump tower ?
People who believe that it is OK when an orange-haired clown mocks a disabled reporter ?
(I can list many more examples.)

Are these individuals full of "hatred" ? "Blinded by the simple truth" ?
Are these individuals just "the willing tools" of an orange-haired god ?
Maybe they are "brainwashed" to believe in such silly and ridiculous sh*t, coming from Vladimir trump .... the first Russian President of the United States.

Are you answering me or is this the answer? Wasn't sure.

It's good to know democrats love James Comey now, pathetic hacks

No allegation is credible unless it is backed up by evidence.
Is it okay, JJC, to be accused of wiretapping your home or office with no proof ?

There aren't "active FBI investigations" into "Trump's campaign with Russia." Comey himself said time and time again that there was no evidence of collusion with Russia by anyone in the Trump campaign.

I'll give YOU the cookie if you can figure out the basic mistake that you are making with your assertion, just as I promised your fellow forum denizen.

Where are you seeing this?

Justin Amash is now considering signing on for an independent commission.

And why would you be suspected of child trafficking? Just because Bob from Florida called the FBI and said so?

There has to be some kind of evidence - even circumstantial - to support a continued, aggressive investigation. Otherwise anyone could make up accusation against people they don't like and ruin their lives forever.

Didn't you ever read about the Salem witch trials?

And stop trying to act non-partisan. You are a partisan leftist on a fools witch hunt. You believe this Russian nonsense because you want it to be true.

And it's just going to lead your party into further dysfunction.

Here's the link.  I was rather specific with my statement.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/20/us/politics/fbi-investigation-trump-russia-comey.amp.html

Money quote:

Mr. Comey said the F.B.I. was “investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government, and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia’s efforts.”

But there was an independent investigation conducted by FBI that everyone was happy with.

But it was obviously not enough. They started to leak things with the only one purpose of hurting Trump (i.e. witch-hunt, the same as Benghazi).

If you break the rules of the game, what would you expect? They just could play nice and just do the goddamned investigation instead of leaking? But no...

Russia is just the tip of the iceberg. The real problem is Trump and his gang of crazed billionaires and deplorable lackeys. 

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-fires-fbi-director-james-comey-n757101

Really, "crown jewel of law enforcement"?? I can't tell whether this is just more Trump  treating everything as trying to sell ice futures to Eskimos, or if he's asking to leave office twelve inches shorter than he was when he went took office.

He just made it up. It's English Pete .... the fascist Nazi.
He's trolling.

No one loves him. If you can't see how suspicious it is for Trump to fire the man heading the investigation of him, then you're the hack.

We already know the answer of that though.

And they found nothing, as Comey said under oath to congress.

If a fully funded investigation has been going on for months and has still found absolutely no evidence to back up these claims then maybe questions should be asked about whether such an investigation is justified.

As for 'clearing names' its not the job of an FBI or police investigation to 'clear' anybody's name. If they don't find evidence that can be given to a prosecutor and they stop investigating the that's it. 'Clearing' people is something done by courts, not by police or FBI.

As for your suggestion that this whole thing started by 'happenstance' that's highly doubtful. Much more likely that this has been a witch hunt from the very start.

The reason why we "liberal hacks" are not happy with this is because we know Trump. We basically don't have information as to why he fired the man (and he could possibly could be covering something up).

It is not hypocrisy to speak out against the actions of Comey on what he did approximately 2 weeks before the 2016 election (because he sort of widened a path for Trump to win, but that probably wasn't the main reason as to why Trump won) and then speak out against the actions of Trump firing him for no apparent reason that hasn't been revealed to the public yet.

No cookie for you. You really can't see past your hate, even when the answer is sitting right there in your "money quote."

I feel rather sorry for you.

Actually if you perused my posts they exhibit a conservatism on abortions, gun control, the death penalty, opposition to ObamaCare, illegal immigrants, opposition to Medicare and Social Security, and of course opposition to Russia. You'll also see I voted Rick Santorum in 2012. Not a Democratic hack. Lastly, you will see I voted for George W. last year and a Republican Congress, as I have done fie a decade. I just in this thread said I was open to Pence.

Now with that dispelled: in this parallel it wasn't Bob from Florida. It was the FBI director, Scotland Yard and a few other places. They've all expressed concern.

Cant really concieve of a parallel, so Russia's Twitter activity and Roger Stone's contacts with Wikileaks (linked to Fancy Bear) suggest that there should be an investigation. For example Roger Stone knew about the Podesta emails before they came out.

Don't you think that's circumstantial enough?

Most of you guys sound pretty stupid. Right after Comey was essentially saying he was doing things wrongly, especially how he handled the election, and that others were changing his testimony, "BUT MUH RUSSIA"

Seriously, not every government official fired is fired because of Russia.

Since I'm rather dense apparently why don't you explain the mistake?

You're are an amazing voice of reason. It's refreshing.

This site used to actually be a reasonable place for people to discuss politics and election strategies without the annoying 'bumper sticker' politics.

Now it's just bumper sticker politics.

So many Baghdadi Bob's, it's dizzying!

We all knew Comey ****ed up months ago.

Seriously, stop being obtuse about this.

How am I?

Wow, the hacks are out in force.

(And SilentCal is easily the best tan avatar on this forum)

Actually if you see my latest answer it addresses your points. You'll notice the investigations only began on the Senate and House sides after November and the FBI last fall.

Also I love it too how Chris Hayes, MSNBC anchor and not a Republican, tweeted that no one would care if Clinton did the same thing if her campaign were being investigated

Now imagine we have a President Clinton. Boy oh boy, the Trump Brigade would be pissed!

Thanks, likewise.

Do you really think the Russian issue isn't a big deal given your concern over LePen? I've raised the question several times over the conflict of interest.

If you truly believe Comey was fired because of the Clinton emails scandal, then you are being obtuse.

Is that really true? This forum has ALWAYS been on the far-left side of the political spectrum.

Even the so-called "moderates" are rather center-left. The main website has always been a great repository of elections data. The maps and statistics are virtually unmatched by any resource anywhere. Yet for some reason, the forum attracts far more socialists and communists than right-wing conservatives.

The few conservatives here are constantly hounded, and consistently the subject of petitions to be banned. Anyone that doesn't toe the far-left line is ridiculed.

If you look at the self-reported political positions of the forum, and the predictions of said forum, you'd find something squarely in the mainstream.... of DailyKos or Democratic Underground.

I never said Russia isn't a big issue. I am 100% convinced Putin is trying to undermine the West in any election he can. What bothers me is those who CONSISTENTLY call out Russia as being tied to Trump at every moment.

You are getting very close to winning the cookie.

Yes.  Both of these can be true:

1. Comey has made some serious mistakes over the past year, and probably needed to go.

2. Trump's firing of Comey at this time reeks of conflict of interest.

Probably because Comey once again very clearly stated they've come across no evidence - even circumstantial - after six month of investigation.

Trump (and Clinton had she won) probably wanted to fire the guy on day one. But it would look like bad optics.

Comey was incompetent and too steeped in politics (even if it was not his intent). He had to go.

Clinton would have done the same thing, probably around the same time too.

There is a hysteria over Donald Trump absolutely but in this case I thought the red flag is that Trump has to replace the FBI director that's overseeing the investigation into the Trump campaign and Russia links. I would call that a problem, minimum.

If you believed that shouldn't you be equally concerned over the allegations about the closeness of Trump and Russia from multiple sources?

anyone who honestly thinks that if any evidence existed of a direct collusion between Trump and Russia that it would not have been leaked to CNN months ago is naive

Is it uncomfortable up on that cross?

Many probably would. Comey still should have been fired though.

Although, unlike Trump, there was actual undeniable proof that Clinton broke multiple feral laws. But she was was not prosecuted because Comey didn't want to sack a presidential nominee.

Which is ironic. Because had he done his job, Biden would have stepped in and probably crushed Trump.

Jack Posobiec  🇺🇸‏Verified account @JackPosobiec  1h1 hour ago
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 Source: They may be reopening the Clinton investigation after firing partisan Comey – At The West Wing

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/862077823699365890

Jeff Sessions was tasked with finding reasons for firing Comey, they hope his successor is going to close the Russia deal...

They didn't think this would be a big deal and they are suggesting, one of the reasons was how bad Comey has treated Hillary.

Welcome to bizarro world lol

https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/862072444852588545


Haha, nice one.

Garbage.

The reasons there are investigations is because they want to establish something I assume. There is plenty of circumstantial issues and questions. The question is now substantiating it.

Do you get your news exclusively from the worst assholes on Twitter?

Man the devotion Trump has from his base to not see what a red flag this is is simply disturbing

Sign me up for that!

So says the guy who just posted a long ranting post, full of "annoying bumper sticker politics."

My thoughts exactly

I imagine you need a sense of humor to work at the Nixon Library. Good to know they have one.

Someone just reported one of my post.

I didn't violate any rules on this site.

They reported it because they didn't like my opinion.

Good riddance.

Regarding Feinstein she's called for an independent FBI Director and said the president called her. She didn't indicate whether she supported it or not. Still looking on that.

Politically this also hurts Trump but no more than usual. Trumpy continues to divide the country and harden his opposition with each passing day while allowing a narrative about him and Russia to flourish without being resolved. Perhaps he's decided this is the best he can expect from his presidency. I don't think his party has much expectations at this point for a era of goodwill under him.

I for one think there should be an independent investigation just to close this once and for all, but my belief is not because of the firing of Comey. This is just a stupid attempt to make Trump seem corrupt.

Nice bait and switch.  The investigation has nothing to do with any alleged Russian hacking.  That was what the recounts were about and no hacking was found, so obviously neither Trump nor his campaign are being investigated for that.

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It kinda does.  Not of the election but of Hillary, Dems, etc. It's about whether or not Trump's campaign colluded to do this or not.

Cox = independent investigator
Comey = man who f***ed up multiple times

Literally the FBI had to correct his testimony

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/09/politics/james-comey-huma-abedin-anthony-weiner-emails/

Wasn't me, persecution complex boy

trump IS corrupt, this is a no-brainer of an accusation and one of his more harmless traits.

Wait this isn't the first Trump investigation firing. Preet Bharara was also investigating some stuff and was fired too.

Clinton broke no "federal" laws....if anything they were loose regulations with no written punishments.

Trump has already been brought to court and found guilty in multiple lawsuits (Like Trump University) that says he broke laws.

And there are so many Trump admin./Russia connections you'd need a gas mask not to feel all the smoke in the room.

Yeah, 100%. No actual proof needed. he is 100% corrupt. yeah I'm going to become a democrat now and worship hillary and bernie you've convinced me

Guys, not liking Comey and being freaked out by Trump's firing of him are not mutually exclusive positions.

I shed no tears for Comey, but this isn't about him, this is much much bigger.

Almost the entire Democratic Senate caucus has been calling for an independent investigation into the Russia Scandal....

^ ok...and?

Too bad Republicans didn't have the same logic toward Benghazi.

This is just silly if these sources are accurate... how did they NOT expect this kind of reaction? LOL.

"Malevolence tempered by incompetence."

i wouldn't even know how to start guessing how to make a case for the opposite claim.

his amount of transparency-lacking financial connections and the dozens of shady deals his family has proposed since the election are speaking for themselves.

and as i said...one of his most harmless traits.

How can they be so stupid?

Federal Employees Fired by Trump:

Sally Yates
Preet Bharara
James Comey

Federal Employees investigating Trump:

Sally Yates
Preet Bharara
James Comey

On CNN, @KellyannePolls says she can name many people around Trump who are not currently under investigation for colluding with Russia
https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/862105849258545152

Exactly. One can both think Comey unfit for the position and doubt that Trump all of a sudden thinks the Comey Letter was a mistake. Just a couple days ago he tweeted that Comey was "the best thing that happened" to Hillary, now all of a sudden he's adopting the polar opposite position? Regardless there must be an independent investigation over the Russian wikileaks situation.

Agree.

This is why the White House is generally incompetent. They didn't understand that Watergate is a cultural lodestar and the concept of a president abusing his power is deeply ingrained in the public imagination.

Everyday I realize more and more that the president isn't a politician and is seriously unaware of how to manage affairs of politics and state. Does anyone think President Rubio or Walker wouldn't have covered their behinds? Heck President Kasich would be right now soaring into the 60s.

Every single day politicians cover themselves and think out every move.  months ahead of time. This is why. They know the more fire they get the worse they are off. This isn't House of Cards where the president can do things like this and not get blowback.

Trump has just given his critics a huge reason to doubt his innocence on Russia.

Comey thought it was a prank and laughed when news of his firing flashed on the TV

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https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/862106173465649160

Sheer incompetence.

Because it's Trump stupid and corrupt go hand in hand

Oh my god they are exactly like their logic nerd supporters.

So apparently the Hill is reporting this (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/332651-sessions-was-told-to-find-reasons-to-fire-comey-reports). The “recommendation” to fire him from the deputy AG was dated today.

So no US President should be able to fire their predecessor's political appointees?  Or is this a special rule for Trump?  Every U.S. Attorney is always investigating "some stuff" that might impact the current administration.

The fact is Bharara was fired along with dozens of other politically appointed U.S. Attorneys.  Just like Obama did when he first came into office.

You are putting far too much emphasis on one person.  There is always another monkey waiting in the wings to do the job.  If you think valid, ongoing investigations just stop because somebody gets fired, I have a bridge to sell you.

Any employer that would do this to one of their employees would be a complete assh**e.
But .... should we all be shocked that trump falls under this category ?

Someone on Tucker Carlson who supports the firing was just asked what examples he could give of Comey doing a sub-par job that would warrant the firing. The example he gave was not bringing charges against Hillary Clinton in July 2016.

On Fox, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, deputy WH press secretary says time to let Russia investigation go.
https://twitter.com/thomaswright08/status/862105575290744832

I hear they quoted the Hillary Campaign's criticism of Comey handling the emails.

There we go

What does this mean?

These traitors should be arrested.

the interesting question is btw NOT comey's firing.

many people speculated about this after the election.

the interesting thing is the timing.....comey didn't let go of his "pet projects" and so it became necessary to fire a seemingly unpopular director,

Ha

It means people from Trump's inner circle are in trouble an firing Comey does nothing

So because Flynn's associates were subpoenaed that's case and point for why trump fired Flynn? Wtf?

Oh, wow. This is the equivalent of closing his eyes and screaming "IF I CAN'T SEE YOU YOU CAN'T SEE ME"

Bharara was actually retained by the Trump Administration so his firing was a bit peculiar. Additionally the FBI director has to sign off on recommendations to prosecute or not. Trump's firing him and Sarah Huckabee saying its time to drop the Russian investigation makes things look highly suspicious and draws questions if Trump and Senate Republicans will confirm an independent director who will continue the investigation.

There's a lot of ways a FBI director can quietly kill or stymie an investigation. As I've said can we really trust Trump to appoint and Senate Republicans to confirm a director who may sign off on a recommendation that may warrant prosecution of a number of Trump associates?

If you believe that why do you believe so?

Doesnt the FBI have to sign off on these recommendations before the grand juries go forward? Can someone confirm?

The subpoenas are for Flynn's "associates" in finance

1.Colluded to illegal hack the Hillary Clinton/DNC websites with wikileaks/Russia.  Not colluded to hack election websites.

Other allegations
1.Offers of bribery/pay offs with Putin/Russia in order to ease or eliminate the sanctions against Russia in exchange for campaign assistance, future business deals, monetary rewards or who knows what else.  That the special friendship between Putin and Trump may have ended post election does not alter any promises made prior to the election. It just shows that one psychopath shouldn't trust another psychopath.

2.Allegations of colluding with Russian backed fake news campaign against Hillary Clinton.

https://twitter.com/AndreaChalupa/status/862071059100696580?s=04

Has this been confirmed?

This will blow over with a whimper, just like all the other Trump controversies.

He appears to be immune to anything negative happening to him.

And here's a thought, while Trump has created a storm in this direction, and people think he's trying to cover up for the Russian thing (which is what he wants us to think), it's likely that Trump is pulling a "Trump" and is actually making sure people are stumbling all over this instead of looking where there is probably a REAL fire raging somewhere else.

Let's not be fooled. Somewhere else there's a real fire that Trump doesn't want us to see.


He seems to be a master at this.

And could that other fire be sending lots of troops to Afghanistan?

More war?

Trump's Razor. "Ascertain the stupidest possible scenario that can be reconciled with the available facts and that answer is likely correct."

I don't think either he or anybody in his Administration are intelligent enough to pull off something like that.  I agree most journalists are stupid enough to fall for red herrings, but to pull something off like that would mean Trump would have to be a master magician at misdirection.

for the record....trump on Comey last October:

https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/862104307231019008

No. Federal prosecutors obviously rely on the FBI to conduct their investigations, but when it comes to running the grand jury and choosing who to indict, the prosecutors run the show.

Re: not anticipating blowback... never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity

So for our edification can you tell us how the FBI would stop an investigation? Could a new director seriously damage it?

Bharara was no more "retained" by the Trump administration than the other 46 Obama prosecutors fired on the same day.  No political appointee is safe in his or her job - nor should they be.  They serve at the pleasure of the President, not the other way around.

Contrary to your (and Comey's) belief, FBI directors don't make the ultimate decision on whether to prosecute.  That's ultimately up to Justice Department prosecutors, not the FBI.  Comey's belief that he should be acting as a prosecutor is one of the reasons he has been fired.  The job got to his head, and he was making bad decisions.  His misstatements to Congress last week were the last straw.

Can we really trust any President to appoint FBI director who may sign off on a recommendation that may warrant prosecution of a number of his associates?  Why is Trump any different than Obama or Clinton or Bush?   So why bother appointing FBI directors?  Screaming Russia, Russia, Russia, as you, the liberal media and the Democrats are doing, without a scintilla of evidence that Trump did anything criminal isn't going to change this calculus.  The Russia investigation is part of the FBI's domestic surveillance role, not criminal.

Even though Richard Burr disagreed, but whatever.

Surprised that Collins of all people agrees

She said nearly word for word what has been said for MONTHS by liberals.

If you are true to your ethics and your beliefs, and if you truly believed comey was improper in how he handled himself during the clinton email investigation, and possibly violated the hatch act, then you can't help but feel as if justice was done when he got fired.

Would the executing of a child murderer/raper be invalid and unjustified if the execution was carried out by pol pot?

Don't be disingenuous, cinyc. This wasn't a normal partisan turnover. Trump asked both Comey and Bharara to stay on after he took office—Comey, for another 6 years—only to fire each of them suddenly and outside of other political office turnovers when they started reaching into dangerous territory in their uncovering of crimes and corruption in the Republican's campaign and administration.

I Put more stock in Collins than red avatar conspiracy theorists. You guys are reaching Alex Jones levels.

once again....the problem with the comey firing is not the firing but the timing.


Sources: Admin has been pressing FBI to get more aggressive on leak probes, and dissatisfied with FBI's responses
https://twitter.com/DevlinBarrett/status/862114462354083840

On behalf of Democrats and independents everywhere: good luck with that.

It's not at all hard to believe both that a) Comey was a f&ck-up on many levels who handed Trump the presidency and b) Trump firing him today is a massive abuse of power related to Comey's investigation of Republican scandals.

Trump's excuse is not working. The responses to Collins' statement on Twitter are telling.

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https://twitter.com/AtticusGF/status/862120775225966592

Burr and Sasse are FFs...

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https://twitter.com/SenatorBurr/status/862092007707209730

Funny how, now all of a sudden, someone like boshembechle (marty) quotes and agrees with anything Susan Collins says.
LOL.

Just a few facts for the blue avatars:

The Dems aren't "out of touch" and on a "witch hunt": public opinion shows that a huge majority of Americans want a special prosecutor--just go find the CNN/ORC polls or PPP polls from March.

Nobody is a hypocrite because nobody is defending Comey or his prior actions, but rather saying that this looks like a move to cover up the Russia investigation, which Sarah Huckabee Sanders' comments just a little bit ago basically confirm. So, you're making a false equivalence here. We don't want Comey, we want an investigation unimpeded by the President.

There is absolutely evidence that could indict Trump himself possible, and almost certainly his campaign. It's a fact that Manafort, Page, Flynn, and other were in contact with Putin's people. It's a fact that the leaks targeted against HRC were launched by hackers with ties to the Kremlin. I'm not saying it's a smoking gun, but it certainly is something that merits a serious investigation. Now, I know that some of you dgaf because you think women are made of ribs and climate change is a Chinese hoax. But most Americans haven't descended down that hole yet. See my first point.

Which brings me to that final point about that hole: I know that you know your logic is shoddy, but for the past few decades you've built an alternative media apparatus to reify your unfounded beliefs, brainwash others, and keep an unsustainable status quo in place that is based on buzzwords like freedom and justice, but really has no values--as your flippant disregard for the sanctity of this investigation demonstrates. That's the textbook definition of fascist ideology--not an insult, just a fact--so just know that nobody arguing in favor of continuing the investigation is outside of the mainstream; you are.

You seriously think the entire Michael Flynn ordeal is "not a scintilla of evidence"????

Not to mention the plethora of other contacts to Russia that the Trump Administration has?

Okay here's a question before I go on -- where do you stand on Trump and Russia? You're on record believing there should be no investigation? If so given the multiple concerns of the intelligence community (and their January assertion that Russia worked to elect Trump), and the British and other European intelligence services saying there were Trump and Russia ties and Comey taking seriously the Steele dossier (ditto McCain) do you believe all current investigations should be ended or what?

to answer your question that's why we normally have Senate confirmation of an FBI director. However Trump removed Comey at a time when Comey was doing active investigations on Trump's campaign. I don't recall when an FBI director was removed during an investigation that had as much circumstantial evidence. That's what distinguishes this from a normal situation (Obama, Bush etc as you said), especially after the Yates testimony of yesterday and Comey's testimony of March 20. It raises questions of motive here.

My question is if the Director has to sign off on the domestic surveillance section's recommendations or if he can influence the investigation? You're not clarifying that the Director can't do that.

Trump supporters are unable to hold two seemingly contradictory ideas in their head at the same time and realize both of them might be true.  This is a bit odd because Trump himself holds two genuinely  contradictory ideas in his head all the time and thinks both of them are true (sometimes both at the same time, sometimes one at a time.)

i love susan collins

Rubio being Rubio


Marco Rubio "surprised" by Comey's firing, "but it's a decision the president's made and we'll go from here."
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/862109016461201408

Trump puppets are getting nervous...

Says the guy who got fired.

And if he answered the phone call Trump made to him in the day or two before the announcement, he might still be US Attorney for the Southern District of New York.  But he didn't.  Next time, don't duck the phone call from your boss if you're a political appointee. 

US Attorneys serve at the will of the President (or, I think, technically, the Attorney General), and can be fired for any reason or none at all.  46 other political appointees were fired the same day.

How many of the 46 other political appointees were personally asked by Trump to stay on in the new administration, cinyc?

I thought this was funny:
https://twitter.com/SarahFoxes/status/862097068151779329

Collins is deplorable af. Hope she runs for Governor so I can vote against her again.

Senate Intelligence Committee Chair Richard Burr: I am troubled by the timing and reasoning of Director Comey’s termination.

Does anyone find this normal for the Senate Intelligence Committee chair to say? Especially one of the same party as his president?

Perhaps he knows what is in the works(indictments) and while it maybe not be directly connected to Trump, the timing of the firing makes it seem like Trump is panicking.

*slow clap*

Senator Jeff Flake, R-Arizona: https://twitter.com/JeffFlake/status/862124755339685888?s=09

Flake got a conscience.


I've spent the last several hours trying to find an acceptable rationale for the timing of Comey's firing. I just can't do it.
https://twitter.com/JeffFlake/status/862124755339685888

Take with a grain of salt obviously but I wonder if Trump is just being hasty since the investigation could be getting closer to himself.

Trump has the unpopularity/malaise of Jimmy Carter and the paranoia/corruption/controversy of Nixon

How many of the 46 were grandstanding, camera-mugging glory hogs, like Bharara?

     Yeah, this seems to changes very little. The FBI will continue investigating what they're investigating regardless of what is going on up top.

Trump Hires Law Firm to Fight Suggestions of Russia Business Ties
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-hires-law-firm-rebut-suggestion-russia-business-ties-n757106


Hannity just called firing of Comey "draining of the deep state swamp."
https://twitter.com/tparti/status/862125826854330371


FBI agents in tears as news of Comey's firing spread
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/09/omey-firing-fbi-tears-238190

An now Ossoff wants to make it an issue https://mobile.twitter.com/ossoff/status/862123186405740544

Honestly, the GOP needs to dissolve after Trump and replace itself with a new, renamed party.

What an embarrasment

This sort of nonsense should kill a political party......but it won't.

Don't let those goalposts hurt your back too much. :)

Here is the issue: how many times must you guys be told that at this time, *there is no evidence of collusion between the campaign and russia*. Feinstein, schiff, et al have said it repeatedly over the last few months, but based on what you hear from people on here, you'd think it was a sure thing.

Is it ethical to milk an investigation dry for political points before anything has even been found, let alone confirmed?

That's my issue with you guys,you somehow forget that the investigation has found nothing substantial between trump and russia.

In fact, you guys would prefer if the investigation *never ended* than if the investigation found nothing and was concluded. You guys WANT another watergate scandal, you WANT a dark cloud, because it could help you politically.

It's pathetic, really.

Flake's up for reelection in a state trending D. He's smart, not ethical.

nah, flake is a full-hearted trump critic from day one, like sasse.

He shares Carter's skill at navigating politics in the capital, too.

Trump may meet with Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov, Putin's top diplomat, tomorrow at the White House
https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/862101156742541313


US presidents don't normally meet with foreign ministers. Secretaries of State normally do that. So much that is strange.
https://twitter.com/NKingofDC/status/862124919764791298

There hasn't been a resolution to the investigations because in Congress they're complaining about lack of resources and in the FBI it was apparently launched in October. All investigations started near the end of the election or around the election itself or after…

 Investigation of presidential malfeasance takes years. Didn't Whitewater take years?

Honest question, why is the President so quite, even on twitter?

Some men just like to watch the world burn.

What goalposts?  Obviously, all 46 either were asked or did stay on temporarily after January 20.  That the rest of them didn't run to the press with claims that they were asked to stay on doesn't mean they weren't asked.

Again, I think that if Bharara decided to take the call the President reportedly made before he the decision to ask the 46 to resign, he might still have his job today.

How will this impact Trump's approvals?

At least in South Korea the Saenuri Party had the decency to change its name to the Liberty Korea Party after Park Guen-hye resigned.

May look bad enough fall to 35% or cons really dig in an he goes up to 43%

Wouldn't surprise me if on net it was 0 change. Suburban repubs hate the decision, but the alt right that was disillusioned over the month or so comes back in the tent.

it will also depend on who he nominates.

Nobody ever said anything that you're citing about except perhaps on Fox (Fascist Old Xenophobes) News.

Feinstein said, "Not at this time." not that there was no evidence period. She went on to say that the investigation should continue. And the reason that there is no evidence is because the investigation is ongoing as of right now. The point you're making is like saying that because I am not actively manifesting disease X that there is no way that I have its virus or bacterial progenitor in my body, when I very well could and won't know until I get the results of the blood test that is in testing back from my doctor! It's so stupid that I can't possibly believe that you are making a serious argument here.

But you contradict yourself in the next sentence: "Is it ethical to milk an investigation dry for political points before anything has even been found, let alone confirmed?"

The investigation is not even close to being done, so no s*** that there is no evidence yet! And you keep deflecting because the truth is that if there is any evidence you, just like your President, don't want the public to know about it.

wow

You're allowing your own personal feelings cloud your judgement but ok wek

This is my favorite post in the thread.

Any idea how long it takes for a president to announce who he wants as director?

He didn't answer me either guess that says it all.

I hope she does so she wins and kicks out any belief Dems can retake the governorship

You've got to be frickin kidding me. You liberals with your stupid EVERYONE IS A RACIST IF THEY WANNA FOLLOW IMMIGRATION LAWS.

I'm sick and tired of liberals calling EVERYTHING Republicans do as "racist" and "xenophobic" (which doesn't make sense because NO ONE is AFRAID of IMMIGRANTS)

Grow the hell up

Nero was an entertaining fellow, too.

How many times are you gonna be triggered by this?

Wow, you're fully triggered huh? Not a liberal, was a Republican for 16 years, Republicans aren't Republicans anymore. Everything is in that party is built on hating minorities and forcing beliefs on people. Trust me, a lot of Republicans are terrified of immigrants coming in and taking their jobs and raping their wives and killing their kids and turning the US into a caliphate. My uncle is one of the cultists.

Trump should have been impeached by now for incompetence. He's slowly but surely hanging himself.

Until you liberals grow the hell up and stop with these blatant lies

Xenophobic rhetoric on immigration is a core tenant on right-wing populism.

Says what?  All I saw was a long screed with few questions.

The Russian investigation is a partisan witch hunt.  It's not even a criminal investigation, yet Democrats, the liberal media, and you are grandstanding about it as if it were.  I suppose if the Senate wants to waste its time investigating, it should.  That's up to Congress.  I wouldn't waste Congress' time.

But the thought that the FBI's intelligence investigation is suddenly going to stop because the top monkey is gone is disrespectful to everyone else at the FBI.  James Comey isn't the whole FBI.  If this is a valid investigation, it's not going to stop because he's gone.

I'm not afraid of immigrants. My father is one.  I have never EVER once in my life met someone afraid of immigration and immigrants as a whole. You say you left the party, huh? I feel that the Party of Lincoln, the one built to STOP slavery, is much better than the Party of Slavery and Jim Crow, the one with a slave mentality towards immigrants, the one that promotes white guilt for s*** these people haven't even done.  There is NO hate in the GOP for any minorities, and if ANYONE WHATSOEVER DOES, then they should be kicked out of the f***ing party and sent back to the damn Democrats

Lol watch tomorrow he'll announce his stud horse as his FBI Director

BTW I was pleasantly surprised by Burr's reaction

Lmao, what a world we live in.

I don't see how hard it is to understand that the parties switched, all those old racist Democrats became even older racist Republicans in the late 80s and early 90s. Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms, many others. My uncle is one of those people terrified of "the evil muslims who are coming here to rape and murder us", I know many people like him.

You're right, all those people need to go, we'd lose about 75% of the elected Republicans, but it will be a good purge, might possibly bring me back!

One where the Democrats have spread so many f***ing lies that Americans get sucked in to the deceit about the Republicans being "racist"?

Maintain emotional control.

I like how I never even said the parties didn't switched. And no, I don't believe they switched 100%. Yes, Republicans became more conservative, but that's after they overwhelmingly supported civil rights. Yes, Democrats became more liberal, but they seem to have maintained their plantation mentality.

Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VBAEJlR4pk

It opened my eyes even further after I did.

Not lies, most Republicans are racist, sickened me for way too long. It doesn't mean they're all out there as Nazis mind you, but when any topic is brought up it always comes back to some minority or muslims and something that needs to be done about them. Mexicans taking our jobs, etc.

It's not blaming Mexicans for being Mexican but it's about sending our jobs overseas. that's not racist that's just promoting giving americans jobs sent overseas. If Mexicans enter legally, then by all means give them the jobs that other Americans should get since they are now americans. no one says anything different. it is 100% a lie, most republicans are not racist

Looks like you're a Democrat now. Welcome!

I'll never join the party of hate and segregation

Haha! Amusing, especially since they are crucified as "RINOs and evil libs" in most conservative Republican circles.

So you support the wall on the Mexican boarder to keep the few illegal Mexicans out? You support the Muslim ban to keep Muslims out? How is that not the current party of segregation?

Yes I support the wall but also support the institution of legal immigration, just as Trump does. no I don't support a Muslim ban, which is no longer (thank God) Trump's policy and hasn't been since before the campaign.  And when it was, I remember a large number of republicans condemning it.

there is no segregation with the wall or in current policy

lol I never even said this was my position. all I'm trying to point out is people who say this are not racist

I tell people who advocate for shooting unarmed black teens racist:grow up.

His president wants to grab a soap star by the p*****: give him a chance.

Lol.

If you take Flake's tweet and trim a few words, you end up with what countless Republicans both on and off this forum have been doing all night:


At what point do people stop doing the desperate mental gymnastics trying to justify Trump's actions? I know partisanship has a powerful effect on the mind, but jfc. Watching this back and forth with some people strongly reminds me of this guy:

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the f*** are you talking about

and yes the locker talk was wrong

Remember to say "thank you for the kool aid Reverend Jim".

And honey what lies are the Democrats spreading? You're the ones who tried to tell people that the ice caps aren't melting.

Also, you said Republicans aren't racist, but uhhh aren't you from Florida? Can you not explain why Frank Artiles resigned for saying the n-word just last week? Pathetic.

This last post reply is emblematic of this thread's devolution.