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But since the attacker is white and victims Muslims, it isn't terrorism guys!



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/van-pedestrians-hit-run-over-casualties-latest-police-finsbury-park-mosque-muslims-seven-sisters-a7796551.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/van-pedestrians-hit-run-over-casualties-latest-police-finsbury-park-mosque-muslims-seven-sisters-a7796551.html)

Nobody has said that and that doesn't change the fact that Islam has a cancer growing from within.

Edit: The Mosque has been in the past associated with radical Islamists, which pretty much makes certain what we all know already. This is an act of terror regardless. Vigilantism is terrorism in and of itself.

Sanchez... you disappoint my friend.

My sister lives a few blocks away, and the "One Handed Preacher" who was an Al Qaeda militant associated with OBL, had long been purged from the Mosque a decade ago from both within and without....

This was a story recounted to me ten years ago, when I was there three blocks away (!!!) that was well known in the community, so please do not attempt to excuse Terrorist assaults against Muslims in the UK at the hands of Racist English Terrorist "Lone Wolf's".

It's the Middle of the Night in the UK now, so haven't had a chance to talk to my younger Sis, but really????   Have some class Sir.....

What is so classless about pointing out the OP's annoying double standard? This was an act of terror, and we all know why this hate filled monster was radicalized to lash out at the Muslim community.

MY Double Standard? That is so f'ing hilarious! Once again you twist my words to attack me, apparently that is all you're good at Sanchez.

Excuse me for pointing out the media hypocrisy when it's an attack on Muslims, they either say
oh it's too early to say terrorism, or the guy was just mentally ill.

You don't seem particularly interested aside from empty platitudes on Atlas about the problem. The scourge of religious radicalism can only be eradicated by the religious community. If a Baptist terror cell is operating in Tallahassee, it is incumbent on the Baptist community to ensure that such actions are perceived as being unpopular, undesirable, and unhelpful. Frankly, the Muslim communities in the west are failing at this, as polls show (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law).

This attacker would not have struck if there were no Manchester attacks. As far as I'm concerned, he's de facto radicalized by Islam as well. His actions are undeniably tied to London and Manchester.

And why do you care? You're actually pretty wrong, once again, all you do is twist Sanchez. And why should I be responsible for something I had nothing to do with? Get over yourself.

Did hearing about lots of Muslims dying in the Grenfell Tower radicalize him too?

A freak accident? How is that relevant? The fact of the matter is, this man was the evil around him and became it. I'm waiting for the chorus of the usual suspects to begin pushing the narrative that this somehow is totally unrelated to the growing and very serious problem of radicalization in Islam.
Why do I care? Because I don't want to see a car crash through FSU and then have the local community just say "oh, we never knew he was a problem, gee whiz this is terrible." I'm just saying, the entire community seems to get rather defensive when things like this happen. More work needs to be done, but the numbers show it happening anytime soon when 25% of British Muslims at the very least sympathize with this.

I'm sick and tired of people like Sanchez saying we need to do more, I'm fully aware of that, and I do my part I talk to people, I've reported suspicious people before, I spoke out against my former Imam when he began to go down the rabbit hole. I am tired of the lies and deception being spread about us. We do our part, whether it works or not that is another story, we need help, but not with people like Sanchez. His obsession with me is disturbing.

Telling me what I do is for Atlas and not IRL is offensive and disgusting, you Sanchez, don't have to worry being a white man in redneck Florida, I as a Muslim in the south have much more to worry about than you, a "reformed" nationalist, or what ever you call yourself. If you have something productive about how to solve it, then share with the class, don't sit there and make asinine attacks on me about stuff you don't know, or care to understand, thanks.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Hiding behind privilege attacks. Some spray painted something hateful on your mosque. Cry me a river. People are actually dying on the other hand, and now innocent Muslims are dying because their leaders are not standing against terrorism adequetly. We can't keep an eye on the more problematic Mosques (which I oppose anyway on civil liberties grounds), we can't put a travel ban on areas most affected by radicalism, and we can't profile. I get the communities opposition to all of those policies. But that means it is incumbent on the leadership of the community to root out these problems.

The fact that you, in Daytona Beach, had to report somebody suspicious is worrisome. Just goes to show that this is a problem in more communities and not just the big cities.

You think I'm not aware of that, stop with your sick asinine attacks on me and actually PRESENT ideas on how to solve it. Your obsession over me needs to end. Attacking me is going to solve that right? Start establishing relations with the community and maybe then, they'll want to work on you, you turned this attack into another anti-Muslim tirade and it's going to stop. You think it's a simple solution it is not. American Muslims are more integrated because we feel more welcomed and therefore are more than likely to report suspicious behavior, British Muslims don't feel welcome and therefore are more likely to get radicalized than not.

But the British government and society should do more to make the BM community feel more secured and welcome and then start a dialogue and get their trust, then things will get better. So stop making this about me.

How do British Muslims "not feel welcomed" when 88% of them in the poll I just gave you said they are satisfied with life in Britain? That isn't the problem. Do Muslims in Syria joining ISIS "not feel welcomed?"

This terrorist attack in London tonight is no minor traffic accident gone wrong. It's a serious and evil attack on innocent people. But let's not pretend that this is some sort of deeply rooted problem. It's a primal, animalistic reaction. If I supported the death penalty, I'd like to see this man hang as much as anyone.

And lastly, you made this "about you" with your first post. I see you expend your outrage very selectively.

Yet you, at the beginning of the thread, decided to shift the blame on the victims and the community as a whole.

I didn't. I voiced my disgust that events are being separated to fit your consistent narrative. Where is that kid from Massachusetts with the "both sides do it!" trope already? We need him for once.

Sanchez---

Your comments tonight have been disgusting and reprehensible, while meanwhile families are London are visiting injured members of their family in Hospital.

You went totally off the rails on an Anti-Muslim rampage for no reason on Atlas, and deserve your proper fate among the Jury of your Peers.

Has this been confirmed to be an intentional attack and not drink driving or something of the sort?

It's terrorism. There is no doubting that this was an act of anti-Muslim bigotry.

Sanchez, you really should just finally admit you hate Muslims and want us banned from the West, you clearly believe that even though you say the contrary.

I don't hate Muslims. I have four Kuwaiti Muslim friends in my building who love this country and hope for a reformation in Islam to root out this extremist ideology. Do you think I want my buddies banned from this country?

I certainly wish more Muslims would quit being so passive/defensive and actively root against this as a means to establish the badly needed internal dialogue.

I support banning travel period from Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, and Libya, certainly. I'd love to see more, say, Indian or Indonesian Muslims settle in the United States.

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The "some of my best friends are" argument???

Please Sir, get some sleep, recover from the influence of whatever substances, sober up eat some food... IDK what's going on with you Man, but you are flipping out and going off on Anti-Muslim diatribes for whatever reason.

Not cool, regardless of whatever personal issues you might have with another fellow poster on the Forum.

Cease and desist please Sir....

Has the terrorist been identified?

While this is likely a "revenge strike" by a racist, ISIS constantly targets fellow Muslims around the world and this could easily be that as well.

I thought that as well, but they'd strike a Shia mosque whereas this is the former Mosque of Richard Reid, the Sunni shoe bomber.

Good point, but all it would take was a would-be ISIS recruit not finding the warm welcome he wanted at his mosque, and deciding they need to die for being "weak".

The method of attack is ISIS boilerplate, so I'm keeping my mind open. Definitely sounds like EDL types, though.

There were three attackers. It would almost certainly be EDL/BNP/National Front weirdos. The suspect was detained by the crowd, but witnesses haven't said anything as to who he was, what he said, or what he looked like.

SkyNews has a video of the arrest (a white middle aged man).

Condolences to those who were injured. An act of terror, clearly, occurred here.

Apparently, the imam protected the van driver from the angry crowd until the police arrived.

The individual's name has not yet been identified by Law Enforcement, but based upon the live Sky News report (Hardly a Leftist News organization by any standards), the attacker went off on an Anti-Muslim diatribe, and angry individuals watching this assault tackled the driver, and the local Imam of the Mosque intervened to ensure that no physical harm occurred to the assailant.

Meanwhile, the reports that there were two additional assailants that fled, but details are still sketchy.

We have yet to know if this was a "Lone Wolf" terrorist incident targeting Muslims in the UK, or possibly connected to various Neo-Fascist organizations tied to active Hate Groups that have been operating for decades in the UK...

(Edit): Sweet Meteor O' Death---- The whole assumption and fear thing regarding ISIS is a bit OTT IMHO....

This happened literally right next door to a Tube Stop, where my Sister was only Ten minutes late from potentially getting on a Train when the London Subway bombings happened years back....

One of her best mates lost her Dad, and his body has not been recovered....

Still, the English are stoic regardless, after having dealt with so much, and particularly within London proper.

Although this is likely not the proper place to mention the "Pink Elephant" in the room, the George W. Bush elective decision to invade and occupy Iraq, effectively destablized the entire region, and indirectly caused the rise of ISIS and the Syrian Civil War....

Sigh....

Lost a friend in the Iraq War, so maybe I am slightly biased on this topic, but in general there were no major Terrorist assaults from "ISIS" in Europe until well after the Iraq War.

Now, we have a dramatic increase in low level violence against Muslims in the US & UK, as well as an increased level of violent attacks throughout Europe at the hands of small cells as part of a classic Leninist strategy to "revolutionize" a minority community following a backlash from the "perceived oppressors"

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The strength of Western Democracies is based upon the tolerance and diversities of our societies....

We stand strong against political violence and religious intolerance from whatever direction it comes from.

What Political Leaders do (Or should do) is condemn any violent assault on Democratic values, regardless of where these assaults come from.

This should equally include Nationalists, White Supremacists, and Fascist individuals and political organizations as well.

There is an old saying that I first heard living in Germany as a Young Man: "German Justice is blind in the Right Eye".....

Indeed, confirmed by mutiple news sources attacker is white and yelled "I'm going to kill all Mulisms".

Another hint it wasn't IS is than there is various bars and nightclubs very close to the mosque. More obvious targets.

Reminds me of how during the last attack the crowd literally started fighting the attackers.

ChairmanSanchez is officially back on his bullsh*t.

Donald Trump probably won't tweet about this. Wrong victims.

Title needs to be amended, only one person dead, and it may not be related to the attack. The van ran into a group of persons helping a old man who fainted at a bus stop, he may have been already dead.

The van was rented in Pontyclun, Wales, so the inquiry is going that way.

I think the discussion should be continued, but time out for now, OK?

Edit: And it's unlocked.

Freedom imam

You do realize that this exact same logic can just as easily be applied to Muslims who are radicalized to lash out at the "Western community" or whatever because of decades (if not centuries) of Western (or Western-supported, at least) aggression, colonialism, discrimination, disenfranchisement, political repression, and generally malicious attitudes against Muslims - with many of these things still happening today?

None of this gets us anywhere.

I'm hearing conflicting reports, but the attacker was charged with attempted murders, so no one killed?

I know there was a man who collapsed prior to the attack and was being attended to by the crowd when the coward struck.