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Title: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Virginiá on July 09, 2017, 09:44:53 PM
I don't know the exact statistics among active users, but I don't think Republicans are grossly outnumbered here, yet it still is somewhat enemy territory I suppose.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Goldwater on July 09, 2017, 09:48:42 PM
Republicans might not highly outnumbered here, but conventionally (American) right wing positions are clearly in the minority here on most issues. 


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: RFayette on July 09, 2017, 09:51:21 PM
Depends on the subforum.  USGD is the worst, as was the 2016 Presidential Board before November 8.  But others like Congressional Elections, Religion & Philosophy, Political Geography/Demographics, etc. are fine.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: The_Doctor on July 09, 2017, 09:53:23 PM
Also Trump has decimated the ranks of Atlas Republicans, it should be noted. I think there was a much bigger contingent of GOPers before 2016. A number of Republicans became libertarians or #NeverTrumpers or just didn't show up.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Virginiá on July 09, 2017, 09:54:15 PM
Republicans might not highly outnumbered here, but conventionally (American) right wing positions are clearly in the minority here on most issues. 

Oh actually now that I think about it, that would have been a better question to ask. It's not so much about Republicans as conservatives and misc Trump supporters.

I made the thread specifically because I feel bad about TheSaint250 making various comments and watching him get piled on (not saying I agree with him on w/e he says that results in that, but still). He's pretty reasonable, after all.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on July 09, 2017, 09:55:52 PM
This place was really a Hillary echo chamber last year.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Virginiá on July 09, 2017, 10:08:57 PM
This place was really a Hillary echo chamber last year.

What does that have to do with this?


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: TJ in Oregon on July 09, 2017, 10:52:00 PM
Sometimes. What I've found harder is being a social conservative. I suppose being a true Trump supporter would be rough too, though.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: WritOfCertiorari on July 10, 2017, 01:34:52 AM
I guess that it does open you up to getting dogpiled by a bunch of liberals, but honestly, a lot of the die hard Trump supporters on this forum say incredibly ignorant and rude things, so they made their own bed I guess.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Tender Branson on July 10, 2017, 01:45:46 AM
It's hard to be common-sense on Atlas.

During the past few years there were many extremely delusional, ultra-leftist open-border and defenders of immigrant criminals here. Unbearable folk.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: JA on July 10, 2017, 03:25:32 AM
Being a Republican on Atlas isn't hard; members like Badger and TD are pretty well liked and respected. For example, TD and I disagree on a lot of issues, but I respect him and appreciate his contributions here; same with Badger. However, being a Trump supporter or a social/cultural conservative does seem considerably more challenging. The forum is disproportionately secular and liberal, which results in a rather widespread hostility towards Trump's brand of politics and socially conservative viewpoints. It doesn't help that most (but not all) of those contributors here are walking stereotypes.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: OSR stands with Israel on July 10, 2017, 03:50:26 AM
Being a Republican on Atlas isn't hard; members like Badger and TD are pretty well liked and respected. For example, TD and I disagree on a lot of issues, but I respect him and appreciate his contributions here; same with Badger. However, being a Trump supporter or a social/cultural conservative does seem considerably more challenging. The forum is disproportionately secular and liberal, which results in a rather widespread hostility towards Trump's brand of politics and socially conservative viewpoints. It doesn't help that most (but not all) of those contributors here are walking stereotypes.


what about me , you guys seem to dislike me and I am a Never Trump Republican.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: JA on July 10, 2017, 04:38:26 AM
Being a Republican on Atlas isn't hard; members like Badger and TD are pretty well liked and respected. For example, TD and I disagree on a lot of issues, but I respect him and appreciate his contributions here; same with Badger. However, being a Trump supporter or a social/cultural conservative does seem considerably more challenging. The forum is disproportionately secular and liberal, which results in a rather widespread hostility towards Trump's brand of politics and socially conservative viewpoints. It doesn't help that most (but not all) of those contributors here are walking stereotypes.


what about me , you guys seem to dislike me and I am a Never Trump Republican.

I can only speak for myself, but I don't have any issue with you. Most members here seem to debate you, rather than treat you with disdain like they do Sanchez and others. We just disagree with you a lot, which is fine and healthy, since you represent an opposing ideological viewpoint.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: DavidB. on July 10, 2017, 04:53:09 AM
It's not the blue avatar in itself. Being a fiscally conservative socially liberal RINO isn't hard -- but being a social conservative can be, being a nationalist can be, and being a Trump supporter can be. That said, there are still so many more viewpoints represented and (in particular) accepted here than on AAD. Though I stick around at both places so ultimately I don't care much.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: windjammer on July 10, 2017, 04:59:02 AM
I mean, this forum is full of young people who have no calms with literal nazis.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: afleitch on July 10, 2017, 05:35:28 AM
Sometimes. What I've found harder is being a social conservative. I suppose being a true Trump supporter would be rough too, though.

It's supposed to be hard. If you're part of any community that's generally socially permissive, 40% LGBT etc then it should be hard to be socially conservative/restrictive because either interaction with others mitigates or changes views or if they remain entrenched, to share them will be met with a pushback because  it's what communities do (conservative communities do the same)


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Grumpier Than Uncle Joe on July 10, 2017, 07:40:02 AM
Being a deplorable isn't that hard here, really.  Like jfern noted it's better than being an echo chamber/circle jerk for one side.  I like it when I get blasted, at least someone's reading my stuff on USGD.  :P


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Santander on July 10, 2017, 08:46:59 AM
It is hard to be a true conservative who believes in Divine Right, caste, imperialism, and the restoration of Byzantium.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: RINO Tom on July 10, 2017, 10:55:11 AM
It's not the blue avatar in itself. Being a fiscally conservative socially liberal RINO isn't hard -- but being a social conservative can be, being a nationalist can be, and being a Trump supporter can be. That said, there are still so many more viewpoints represented and (in particular) accepted here than on AAD. Though I stick around at both places so ultimately I don't care much.

I don't feel like copying this into the irony thread, but did you just call a "fiscally conservative socially liberal" Republican a "RINO" while you're just rocking the equally "unRepublican," inverse of that political orientation?  You're no less of a RINO than I am.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: OSR stands with Israel on July 10, 2017, 10:58:06 AM
Being a Republican on Atlas isn't hard; members like Badger and TD are pretty well liked and respected. For example, TD and I disagree on a lot of issues, but I respect him and appreciate his contributions here; same with Badger. However, being a Trump supporter or a social/cultural conservative does seem considerably more challenging. The forum is disproportionately secular and liberal, which results in a rather widespread hostility towards Trump's brand of politics and socially conservative viewpoints. It doesn't help that most (but not all) of those contributors here are walking stereotypes.


what about me , you guys seem to dislike me and I am a Never Trump Republican.

I can only speak for myself, but I don't have any issue with you. Most members here seem to debate you, rather than treat you with disdain like they do Sanchez and others. We just disagree with you a lot, which is fine and healthy, since you represent an opposing ideological viewpoint.
No cause many posters just use idiotic personal attacks when responding to me


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Santander on July 10, 2017, 11:01:34 AM
No cause many posters just use idiotic personal attacks when responding to me
You make it hard not to.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: SATW on July 10, 2017, 11:20:29 AM
No, I don't care if people don't like my politics. No one is obligated to like my politics. I feel that I get along with most posters here despite some of my unpopular policy views.

I've never felt victimized or demonized for being a Republican by any serious poster.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: DavidB. on July 10, 2017, 11:34:26 AM
It's not the blue avatar in itself. Being a fiscally conservative socially liberal RINO isn't hard -- but being a social conservative can be, being a nationalist can be, and being a Trump supporter can be. That said, there are still so many more viewpoints represented and (in particular) accepted here than on AAD. Though I stick around at both places so ultimately I don't care much.

I don't feel like copying this into the irony thread, but did you just call a "fiscally conservative socially liberal" Republican a "RINO" while you're just rocking the equally "unRepublican," inverse of that political orientation?  You're no less of a RINO than I am.
I'm not even talking about myself, as I am not a Republican (not an American), not necessarily a Trump supporter and not particularly socially conservative in the American sense of the word; I simply recognize that it isn't always easy for people like RFayette and TJ. I do wonder, however, why you feel offended by the idea of "fiscal conservatives, social liberals" being RINOs... while calling yourself a RINO.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: RINO Tom on July 10, 2017, 11:39:41 AM
It's not the blue avatar in itself. Being a fiscally conservative socially liberal RINO isn't hard -- but being a social conservative can be, being a nationalist can be, and being a Trump supporter can be. That said, there are still so many more viewpoints represented and (in particular) accepted here than on AAD. Though I stick around at both places so ultimately I don't care much.

I don't feel like copying this into the irony thread, but did you just call a "fiscally conservative socially liberal" Republican a "RINO" while you're just rocking the equally "unRepublican," inverse of that political orientation?  You're no less of a RINO than I am.
I'm not even talking about myself, as I am not a Republican (not an American), not necessarily a Trump supporter and not particularly socially conservative in the American sense of the word; I simply recognize that it isn't always easy for people like RFayette and TJ. I do wonder, however, why you feel offended by the idea of "fiscal conservatives, social liberals" being RINOs... while calling yourself a RINO.

If someone calls you something enough, sometimes you jokingly and sarcastically go along with it ... hence, my username. :)  I personally don't think the words "RINO" and "DINO" can be intellectually used 99% of the time.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: FEMA Camp Administrator on July 10, 2017, 11:43:48 AM
In all honesty, there are a lot of views of mine I don't express, knowing that I'm unlikely to actually persuade anybody, and they certain people strongly regard certain features of theirs as part of their "identity". Not worth my time to get involved in one of those tussles. Even if simply asking questions, the vast majority of responses would be vitriol.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: RINO Tom on July 10, 2017, 12:19:45 PM
It's not the blue avatar in itself. Being a fiscally conservative socially liberal RINO isn't hard -- but being a social conservative can be, being a nationalist can be, and being a Trump supporter can be. That said, there are still so many more viewpoints represented and (in particular) accepted here than on AAD. Though I stick around at both places so ultimately I don't care much.

I don't feel like copying this into the irony thread, but did you just call a "fiscally conservative socially liberal" Republican a "RINO" while you're just rocking the equally "unRepublican," inverse of that political orientation?  You're no less of a RINO than I am.
I'm not even talking about myself, as I am not a Republican (not an American), not necessarily a Trump supporter and not particularly socially conservative in the American sense of the word; I simply recognize that it isn't always easy for people like RFayette and TJ. I do wonder, however, why you feel offended by the idea of "fiscal conservatives, social liberals" being RINOs... while calling yourself a RINO.

If someone calls you something enough, sometimes you jokingly and sarcastically go along with it ... hence, my username. :)  I personally don't think the words "RINO" and "DINO" can be intellectually used 99% of the time.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: SNJ1985 on July 10, 2017, 12:24:52 PM
It's not hard to be a conservative here if you simply don't care about whether or not leftists like you.

If you have principles, you won't be afraid to express your more controversial beliefs.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Santander on July 10, 2017, 12:26:32 PM
If someone calls you something enough, sometimes you jokingly and sarcastically go along with it ... hence, my username. :)  I personally don't think the words "RINO" and "DINO" can be intellectually used 99% of the time.
Or maybe they have a point...


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: RINO Tom on July 10, 2017, 12:29:19 PM
If someone calls you something enough, sometimes you jokingly and sarcastically go along with it ... hence, my username. :)  I personally don't think the words "RINO" and "DINO" can be intellectually used 99% of the time.
Or maybe they have a point...

What would the point be?  The term "RINO" is so inexplicably stupid their point is bound to be, also.  "Republican In Name Only" can be reasonably inferred to mean someone who calls themselves a Republican or might be reigstered that way but doesn't vote for Republican politicians or support views that are in the Republican platform.  I do both of those things more often than not, and about as equally as you, judging by your past comments, Mr. Kentucky DIMUHCRAT.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: FEMA Camp Administrator on July 10, 2017, 12:32:37 PM
If someone calls you something enough, sometimes you jokingly and sarcastically go along with it ... hence, my username. :)  I personally don't think the words "RINO" and "DINO" can be intellectually used 99% of the time.
Or maybe they have a point...

What would the point be?  The term "RINO" is so inexplicably stupid their point is bound to be, also.  "Republican In Name Only" can be reasonably inferred to mean someone who calls themselves a Republican or might be reigstered that way but doesn't vote for Republican politicians or support views that are in the Republican platform.  I do both of those things more often than not, and about as equally as you, judging by your past comments, Mr. Kentucky DIMUHCRAT.

Guys, guys, guys, c'mon. I think it would help if we take a page from Our Dear President and accept that the GOP can be nationalist and globalist.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: JA on July 10, 2017, 01:04:08 PM
I think an even better question to ask here is whether this forum should work to make itself more welcoming to Republicans, Trump supporters, and social conservatives. That doesn't mean abandon any of your beliefs, but rather work on eliminating the vitriol. Should Atlas try to have that kind of diversity of views or not?


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Middle-aged Europe on July 10, 2017, 01:42:37 PM
I think an even better question to ask here is whether this forum should work to make itself more welcoming to Republicans, Trump supporters, and social conservatives. That doesn't mean abandon any of your beliefs, but rather work on eliminating the vitriol. Should Atlas try to have that kind of diversity of views or not?

Um, let's face the ugly truth here... attracting more Trump supporters would objectively lower the overall standard of this forum and make it a more annoying (/less pleasant) place. Because Trump supporters are on average less objective, less intellectually curious, and more obnoxious compared to the overall population.

I'm not saying that you wouldn't have exactly the same effect if you were to invite 25 Jill Stein hacks to Atlas. But unfortunately, Trump supporters are much more frequent than Stein supporters, even if they can be equally dumb.

Which leaves the Trumpers who are already here: Well, since they are already here, they should be at least tolerated. Most of them, anyway. Thomas Jackson and EnglishPete should have been banned a long time ago IMO. On the other hand, TheSaint250 isn't that bad and should be treated with respect. The rest falls somewhere in-between these extremes.

As far as NeverTrumpers and Republicans who are more or less critical of Trump are concerned... fine, bring more of them in.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Goldwater on July 10, 2017, 02:10:53 PM
I think an even better question to ask here is whether this forum should work to make itself more welcoming to Republicans, Trump supporters, and social conservatives. That doesn't mean abandon any of your beliefs, but rather work on eliminating the vitriol. Should Atlas try to have that kind of diversity of views or not?

Um, let's face the ugly truth here... attracting more Trump supporters would objectively lower the overall standard of this forum and make it a more annoying (/less pleasant) place. Because Trump supporters are on average less objective, less intellectually curious, and more obnoxious compared to the overall population.
....

Your opinion of the general population must be higher than mine...


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Middle-aged Europe on July 10, 2017, 04:33:06 PM
Your opinion of the general population must be higher than mine...

It really isn't, but there's always someone who's worse!!


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Kingpoleon on July 10, 2017, 05:21:45 PM
Being a Republican on Atlas isn't hard; members like Badger and TD are pretty well liked and respected. For example, TD and I disagree on a lot of issues, but I respect him and appreciate his contributions here; same with Badger. However, being a Trump supporter or a social/cultural conservative does seem considerably more challenging. The forum is disproportionately secular and liberal, which results in a rather widespread hostility towards Trump's brand of politics and socially conservative viewpoints. It doesn't help that most (but not all) of those contributors here are walking stereotypes.
Honestly, I'm always surprised by our number of religious people.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: The_Doctor on July 10, 2017, 05:47:45 PM
I should point out I'm probably socially conservative, opposing Obergefell v. Hodges (2015) on the grounds the states should have decided it, staunchly pro-life, pro-gun rights, and have expressed support for the Catholic Church, along with free trade. If you read my viewpoints in individual politics, they are Reaganite. I also have expressed discomfort with Social Security, which is probably more far right than anyone here on the point. People like to overlook that I voted for Santorum, for instance.

I've never had problems with the left here because of my emphasis. If I went out of my way to needle Jacobin and the like, I imagine he would find it uncomfortable. Trump supporters would - as I've said - find it easier to exist here if they argued on a intellectually honest framework. You believe in cultural conservatism? OK, then, tell us why x and y is great for America.  

I think the real bias is (and I'm afraid I share it) is against the cultural conservatives who make it their calling card to agitate against essentially, liberal democracy and to argue for a culturally nationalist viewpoint.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Gustaf on July 10, 2017, 06:17:25 PM
Trump supporters are some mix of stupidity and evil and as a result of his ascendance Republicans who are not evil or dumb have tended to disassociate themselves from the party. The ones that are left aren't very popular for obvious reasons.

The forum attracts relatively young, tolerant and educated people compared to the general population so that doesn't help either.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Green Line on July 10, 2017, 06:26:03 PM
Yes.  For some of them it's deserved.  For many though, like Saint, it's pure HATE.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: TJ in Oregon on July 10, 2017, 09:06:25 PM
Actually Trump has made it easier to be a social conservative on here, because now the angst is mainly directed against someone else. I will admit, reading the Atlas Forum makes me start to root for Trump, as do a lot of NeverTrump Republicans. I guess we've entered the era where locking me in a room with passionate supporters of either side of the 2016 election might have been able to convince me to vote for the opposite one.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 10, 2017, 09:20:29 PM
Being a Republican on Atlas isn't hard; members like Badger and TD are pretty well liked and respected. For example, TD and I disagree on a lot of issues, but I respect him and appreciate his contributions here; same with Badger. However, being a Trump supporter or a social/cultural conservative does seem considerably more challenging. The forum is disproportionately secular and liberal, which results in a rather widespread hostility towards Trump's brand of politics and socially conservative viewpoints. It doesn't help that most (but not all) of those contributors here are walking stereotypes.


what about me , you guys seem to dislike me and I am a Never Trump Republican.

I can only speak for myself, but I don't have any issue with you. Most members here seem to debate you, rather than treat you with disdain like they do Sanchez and others. We just disagree with you a lot, which is fine and healthy, since you represent an opposing ideological viewpoint.

There are some T***p supporters I have far more respect for than I do for Beep Boop.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: SATW on July 10, 2017, 09:42:40 PM
If you believe in your convictions and believe you are being sincere in your beliefs than you have nothing to worry about and should continue contributing your views to the discourse.

This goes for anyone of any ideology.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: NOVA Green on July 10, 2017, 10:47:39 PM
Although certainly I can't speak to the experience of being a Republican on Atlas, and hence did not vote on the poll, I know how easy it is for an individual on Atlas to experience Internet bullying and negative comments simply because of one's political avatar....

I have actually had many more negative experiences from Democratic avatars, simply because of my opinions during the 2016 Democratic Primary, than from most Republican Avatars on Atlas.

When it comes to politics, sometimes passions run high during election season (And beyond), and I hope that in my words and actions have helped make Atlas a more welcoming place, and the key point is to separate one own's individual political opinions and recognize that although one might disagree with the opinions of posters from different perspectives, that really 95% of the posters on the site are actually pretty decent people, and actually have a much better grasp on all of the stuff we love to debate and discuss than just about anywhere else.....

I sincerely hope that many of the fine Republican posters on this Forum don't feel that it is simply an "Echo Chamber" of the Democratic Party.



Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Santander on July 11, 2017, 10:13:06 AM
Actually Trump has made it easier to be a social conservative on here, because now the angst is mainly directed against someone else. I will admit, reading the Atlas Forum makes me start to root for Trump, as do a lot of NeverTrump Republicans. I guess we've entered the era where locking me in a room with passionate supporters of either side of the 2016 election might have been able to convince me to vote for the opposite one.
Seeing how angry Trump made the oppressors turned a lot of people into Trump supporters.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on July 11, 2017, 10:53:48 AM
The barrage of negative threads and half truths/lies are annoying. Not so much the posters putting them up though. Atlas is my online home so it can't be too bad obviously.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: afleitch on July 11, 2017, 12:08:22 PM
If the last few hours tells us anything, with reality striking people across the head like a concrete slab with little effect then yes, I can see why it must be hard for them.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Xing on July 11, 2017, 03:47:18 PM
I think it depends on how comfortable people are with their opinion being in the minority. Also, I imagine being a hardcore conservative who likes Trump is harder than being a #NeverTrump moderate Republican around here.

Yeah, some users might not take disagreements as well as they should, but I'd hardly call this forum hostile to conservatives. During the Democratic primary, I was definitely in the minority as a Sanders supporter, but I didn't really feel like it was "hard" to express my opinion, as most users didn't give me too much of a hard time, though a couple of users in particular weren't exactly friendly.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: °Leprechaun on July 11, 2017, 03:59:12 PM
It's hard to be on Atlas, for anyone.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Lechasseur on July 11, 2017, 05:07:59 PM
No, I don't care if people don't like my politics. No one is obligated to like my politics. I feel that I get along with most posters here despite some of my unpopular policy views.

I've never felt victimized or demonized for being a Republican by any serious poster.

This has been my general experience as well


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Grumpier Than Uncle Joe on July 12, 2017, 11:41:39 AM
Judging by the responses to Reaganfan's opinion, yes

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=268503.msg5736604#msg5736604


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Unapologetic Chinaperson on July 12, 2017, 08:31:36 PM
Judging by the responses to Reaganfan's opinion, yes

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=268503.msg5736604#msg5736604

That's because Reaganfan is a troll who goes out of his way to agitate the other side. His ways are the complete opposite of people like TD who put in much time, effort, and respect to communicate and debate. Also, he has made extremely bigoted and racist statements in the past.

Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas? I don't know. But is it hard to be a racist troll on Atlas? It should be.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: 15 Down, 35 To Go on July 13, 2017, 09:16:06 PM
For me, it depends.  I think that a few of my views get the bulk of my criticism, but I will always stand firm for what I believe in.  I also have been looking less and less at the US General Discussion forum, because it is all Russia conspiracy theories and a fundamental disagreement on what healthcare system is best (I think the most efficient would be the government having no role in health care).  Other forums aren't nearly as bad.  Atlas's predictions are always too bullish on Democrats, but I get that because we all think our party will win and there are more Democrats here.

On the other hand, I actually don't think being pro-life is that hard, but some call me out for focusing too much on that one issue (which is impossible, by the way).


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: DavidB. on July 13, 2017, 09:20:43 PM
For me, it depends.  I think that a few of my views get the bulk of my criticism, but I will always stand firm for what I believe in.  I also have been looking less and less at the US General Discussion forum, because it is all Russia conspiracy theories and a fundamental disagreement on what healthcare system is best (I think the most efficient would be the government having no role in health care).  Other forums aren't nearly as bad.  Atlas's predictions are always too bullish on Democrats, but I get that because we all think our party will win and there are more Democrats here.

On the other hand, I actually don't think being pro-life is that hard, but some call me out for focusing too much on that one issue (which is impossible, by the way).
>being pro-life
>wanting the government out of healthcare

pick one.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: 15 Down, 35 To Go on July 13, 2017, 09:24:23 PM
For me, it depends.  I think that a few of my views get the bulk of my criticism, but I will always stand firm for what I believe in.  I also have been looking less and less at the US General Discussion forum, because it is all Russia conspiracy theories and a fundamental disagreement on what healthcare system is best (I think the most efficient would be the government having no role in health care).  Other forums aren't nearly as bad.  Atlas's predictions are always too bullish on Democrats, but I get that because we all think our party will win and there are more Democrats here.

On the other hand, I actually don't think being pro-life is that hard, but some call me out for focusing too much on that one issue (which is impossible, by the way).
>being pro-life
>wanting the government out of healthcare

pick one.

Abortion isn't health care.  Health care doesn't kill people.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on July 13, 2017, 09:25:12 PM
I'm not a republican, but being a blue dog can be a little challenging at times.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Goldwater on July 13, 2017, 09:38:23 PM
For me, it depends.  I think that a few of my views get the bulk of my criticism, but I will always stand firm for what I believe in.  I also have been looking less and less at the US General Discussion forum, because it is all Russia conspiracy theories and a fundamental disagreement on what healthcare system is best (I think the most efficient would be the government having no role in health care).  Other forums aren't nearly as bad.  Atlas's predictions are always too bullish on Democrats, but I get that because we all think our party will win and there are more Democrats here.

On the other hand, I actually don't think being pro-life is that hard, but some call me out for focusing too much on that one issue (which is impossible, by the way).
>being pro-life
>wanting the government out of healthcare

pick one.

Abortion isn't health care.  Health care doesn't kill people.

Lack of healthcare does...


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: 15 Down, 35 To Go on July 13, 2017, 09:57:34 PM
For me, it depends.  I think that a few of my views get the bulk of my criticism, but I will always stand firm for what I believe in.  I also have been looking less and less at the US General Discussion forum, because it is all Russia conspiracy theories and a fundamental disagreement on what healthcare system is best (I think the most efficient would be the government having no role in health care).  Other forums aren't nearly as bad.  Atlas's predictions are always too bullish on Democrats, but I get that because we all think our party will win and there are more Democrats here.

On the other hand, I actually don't think being pro-life is that hard, but some call me out for focusing too much on that one issue (which is impossible, by the way).
>being pro-life
>wanting the government out of healthcare

pick one.

Abortion isn't health care.  Health care doesn't kill people.

Lack of healthcare does...

As I have explained over and over again, the mere existence of entitlements creates the need for them.  If we got rid of every last entitlement, people would have to adapt and the free market would do its magic.  I would actually perhaps consider banning all health insurance other than catastrophic coverage to actually set up a normal supply/demand system for health care.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Goldwater on July 13, 2017, 09:58:55 PM
For me, it depends.  I think that a few of my views get the bulk of my criticism, but I will always stand firm for what I believe in.  I also have been looking less and less at the US General Discussion forum, because it is all Russia conspiracy theories and a fundamental disagreement on what healthcare system is best (I think the most efficient would be the government having no role in health care).  Other forums aren't nearly as bad.  Atlas's predictions are always too bullish on Democrats, but I get that because we all think our party will win and there are more Democrats here.

On the other hand, I actually don't think being pro-life is that hard, but some call me out for focusing too much on that one issue (which is impossible, by the way).
>being pro-life
>wanting the government out of healthcare

pick one.

Abortion isn't health care.  Health care doesn't kill people.

Lack of healthcare does...

As I have explained over and over again, the mere existence of entitlements creates the need for them.  If we got rid of every last entitlement, people would have to adapt and the free market would do its magic.  I would actually perhaps consider banning all health insurance other than catastrophic coverage to actually set up a normal supply/demand system for health care.

That honestly sounds like a terrifying euphemism...


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: SATW on July 13, 2017, 11:13:03 PM
For me, it depends.  I think that a few of my views get the bulk of my criticism, but I will always stand firm for what I believe in.  I also have been looking less and less at the US General Discussion forum, because it is all Russia conspiracy theories and a fundamental disagreement on what healthcare system is best (I think the most efficient would be the government having no role in health care).  Other forums aren't nearly as bad.  Atlas's predictions are always too bullish on Democrats, but I get that because we all think our party will win and there are more Democrats here.

On the other hand, I actually don't think being pro-life is that hard, but some call me out for focusing too much on that one issue (which is impossible, by the way).
>being pro-life
>wanting the government out of healthcare

pick one.

Protecting the unborn is not a healthcare decision.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on July 13, 2017, 11:18:21 PM
For me, it depends.  I think that a few of my views get the bulk of my criticism, but I will always stand firm for what I believe in.  I also have been looking less and less at the US General Discussion forum, because it is all Russia conspiracy theories and a fundamental disagreement on what healthcare system is best (I think the most efficient would be the government having no role in health care).  Other forums aren't nearly as bad.  Atlas's predictions are always too bullish on Democrats, but I get that because we all think our party will win and there are more Democrats here.

On the other hand, I actually don't think being pro-life is that hard, but some call me out for focusing too much on that one issue (which is impossible, by the way).
>being pro-life
>wanting the government out of healthcare

pick one.

Abortion isn't health care.  Health care doesn't kill people.

Lack of healthcare does...

As I have explained over and over again, the mere existence of entitlements creates the need for them.  If we got rid of every last entitlement, people would have to adapt and the free market would do its magic.  I would actually perhaps consider banning all health insurance other than catastrophic coverage to actually set up a normal supply/demand system for health care.
How does my mentally disabled brother who can't even shower by himself "adapt?"


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: NOVA Green on July 13, 2017, 11:28:20 PM
For me, it depends.  I think that a few of my views get the bulk of my criticism, but I will always stand firm for what I believe in.  I also have been looking less and less at the US General Discussion forum, because it is all Russia conspiracy theories and a fundamental disagreement on what healthcare system is best (I think the most efficient would be the government having no role in health care).  Other forums aren't nearly as bad.  Atlas's predictions are always too bullish on Democrats, but I get that because we all think our party will win and there are more Democrats here.

On the other hand, I actually don't think being pro-life is that hard, but some call me out for focusing too much on that one issue (which is impossible, by the way).
>being pro-life
>wanting the government out of healthcare

pick one.

Abortion isn't health care.  Health care doesn't kill people.

Lack of healthcare does...

As I have explained over and over again, the mere existence of entitlements creates the need for them.  If we got rid of every last entitlement, people would have to adapt and the free market would do its magic.  I would actually perhaps consider banning all health insurance other than catastrophic coverage to actually set up a normal supply/demand system for health care.

That honestly sounds like a terrifying euphemism...

Thanks Goldwater for speaking simple truth to power....

Honestly, I think Barry Goldwater would be churning in his grave if he were to see what the Republican Party has become, (and I do come from a Libertarian perspective on many issues, despite my avatar.)

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Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: I’m not Stu on July 13, 2017, 11:57:13 PM
I feel like it's hard to even be a GOP-leaning centrist who occasionally votes for Libertarians and moderate Democrats.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: DavidB. on July 14, 2017, 06:41:36 AM
For me, it depends.  I think that a few of my views get the bulk of my criticism, but I will always stand firm for what I believe in.  I also have been looking less and less at the US General Discussion forum, because it is all Russia conspiracy theories and a fundamental disagreement on what healthcare system is best (I think the most efficient would be the government having no role in health care).  Other forums aren't nearly as bad.  Atlas's predictions are always too bullish on Democrats, but I get that because we all think our party will win and there are more Democrats here.

On the other hand, I actually don't think being pro-life is that hard, but some call me out for focusing too much on that one issue (which is impossible, by the way).
>being pro-life
>wanting the government out of healthcare

pick one.
Abortion isn't health care.  Health care doesn't kill people.
My point was that taking the government out of healthcare will kill people and is therefore definitely not pro-life policy.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on July 14, 2017, 06:50:19 AM
For me, it depends.  I think that a few of my views get the bulk of my criticism, but I will always stand firm for what I believe in.  I also have been looking less and less at the US General Discussion forum, because it is all Russia conspiracy theories and a fundamental disagreement on what healthcare system is best (I think the most efficient would be the government having no role in health care).  Other forums aren't nearly as bad.  Atlas's predictions are always too bullish on Democrats, but I get that because we all think our party will win and there are more Democrats here.

On the other hand, I actually don't think being pro-life is that hard, but some call me out for focusing too much on that one issue (which is impossible, by the way).
>being pro-life
>wanting the government out of healthcare

pick one.

Abortion isn't health care.  Health care doesn't kill people.

Lack of healthcare does...

As I have explained over and over again, the mere existence of entitlements creates the need for them.  If we got rid of every last entitlement, people would have to adapt and the free market would do its magic.  I would actually perhaps consider banning all health insurance other than catastrophic coverage to actually set up a normal supply/demand system for health care.

You support letting the free market solve everything and banning health insurance?  How the hell does that even...

*remembers who I'm replying to*

Oh, nevermind.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: TheSaint250 on July 14, 2017, 06:51:51 AM
Yes. I try not to even fight back against people calling the party and racist and sexist one because I know that once I do a majority of people here will use their own twisted "facts" in an extremely misconstrued way.

And yes it's much worse if you support Trump.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: SATW on July 14, 2017, 01:38:44 PM
For me, it depends.  I think that a few of my views get the bulk of my criticism, but I will always stand firm for what I believe in.  I also have been looking less and less at the US General Discussion forum, because it is all Russia conspiracy theories and a fundamental disagreement on what healthcare system is best (I think the most efficient would be the government having no role in health care).  Other forums aren't nearly as bad.  Atlas's predictions are always too bullish on Democrats, but I get that because we all think our party will win and there are more Democrats here.

On the other hand, I actually don't think being pro-life is that hard, but some call me out for focusing too much on that one issue (which is impossible, by the way).
>being pro-life
>wanting the government out of healthcare

pick one.
Abortion isn't health care.  Health care doesn't kill people.
My point was that taking the government out of healthcare will kill people and is therefore definitely not pro-life policy.

I support reeling back government intervention from healthcare in portions, not ripping it off like bandaid.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: This is Eharding, guys on July 14, 2017, 03:35:58 PM
For me, it depends.  I think that a few of my views get the bulk of my criticism, but I will always stand firm for what I believe in.  I also have been looking less and less at the US General Discussion forum, because it is all Russia conspiracy theories and a fundamental disagreement on what healthcare system is best (I think the most efficient would be the government having no role in health care).  Other forums aren't nearly as bad.  Atlas's predictions are always too bullish on Democrats, but I get that because we all think our party will win and there are more Democrats here.

On the other hand, I actually don't think being pro-life is that hard, but some call me out for focusing too much on that one issue (which is impossible, by the way).
>being pro-life
>wanting the government out of healthcare

pick one.

Abortion isn't health care.  Health care doesn't kill people.

Lack of healthcare does...

As I have explained over and over again, the mere existence of entitlements creates the need for them.  If we got rid of every last entitlement, people would have to adapt and the free market would do its magic.  I would actually perhaps consider banning all health insurance other than catastrophic coverage to actually set up a normal supply/demand system for health care.
ExtremeRepublican endorsing the Cadillac Tax is somewhat of a surprise.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: OSR stands with Israel on July 15, 2017, 02:00:35 PM
For me, it depends.  I think that a few of my views get the bulk of my criticism, but I will always stand firm for what I believe in.  I also have been looking less and less at the US General Discussion forum, because it is all Russia conspiracy theories and a fundamental disagreement on what healthcare system is best (I think the most efficient would be the government having no role in health care).  Other forums aren't nearly as bad.  Atlas's predictions are always too bullish on Democrats, but I get that because we all think our party will win and there are more Democrats here.

On the other hand, I actually don't think being pro-life is that hard, but some call me out for focusing too much on that one issue (which is impossible, by the way).
>being pro-life
>wanting the government out of healthcare

pick one.

Abortion isn't health care.  Health care doesn't kill people.

Lack of healthcare does...

As I have explained over and over again, the mere existence of entitlements creates the need for them.  If we got rid of every last entitlement, people would have to adapt and the free market would do its magic.  I would actually perhaps consider banning all health insurance other than catastrophic coverage to actually set up a normal supply/demand system for health care.

No it wouldn't , because variable costs per unit  is high in the healthcare industry, which means the unit price will also remain high and you won't be able to fix it with simile supply and demand economics.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: TheSaint250 on July 15, 2017, 06:42:03 PM
Just a side note: I got kicked from AH.com for a week for saying that Trump wasn't racist and sexist.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on July 15, 2017, 07:30:05 PM
Just a side note: I got kicked from AH.com for a week for saying that Trump wasn't racist and sexist.
Well that is common considering it's a forum run by a literal Nazi.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: 7,052,770 on July 15, 2017, 10:35:00 PM
Just a side note: I got kicked from AH.com for a week for saying that Trump wasn't racist and sexist.

I just went over there and checked your mention in the Hall of Infamy. Unless there's extra context I missed, your post was nowhere near ban-worthy. I think highly of the AH forums, but I think they got this one wrong.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: TheSaint250 on July 15, 2017, 11:58:58 PM
Just a side note: I got kicked from AH.com for a week for saying that Trump wasn't racist and sexist.

I just went over there and checked your mention in the Hall of Infamy. Unless there's extra context I missed, your post was nowhere near ban-worthy. I think highly of the AH forums, but I think they got this one wrong.
Thank you for this. I was very pissed to find out that I was kicked.

I was also called a supporter of racism and sexism for not denying that Trump is.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 16, 2017, 12:23:06 AM
For me, it depends.  I think that a few of my views get the bulk of my criticism, but I will always stand firm for what I believe in.  I also have been looking less and less at the US General Discussion forum, because it is all Russia conspiracy theories and a fundamental disagreement on what healthcare system is best (I think the most efficient would be the government having no role in health care).  Other forums aren't nearly as bad.  Atlas's predictions are always too bullish on Democrats, but I get that because we all think our party will win and there are more Democrats here.

On the other hand, I actually don't think being pro-life is that hard, but some call me out for focusing too much on that one issue (which is impossible, by the way).
>being pro-life
>wanting the government out of healthcare

pick one.

Abortion isn't health care.  Health care doesn't kill people.

Lack of healthcare does...

As I have explained over and over again, the mere existence of entitlements creates the need for them.  If we got rid of every last entitlement, people would have to adapt and the free market would do its magic.  I would actually perhaps consider banning all health insurance other than catastrophic coverage to actually set up a normal supply/demand system for health care.

Supply and demand works by pricing people out of the market to reduce demand and thus bring prices down. Considering the difficulties in increasing supply in the health care sector, that means it would all necessarily come from the demand side.

When you price people out of health care, you are killing people.

For me, it depends.  I think that a few of my views get the bulk of my criticism, but I will always stand firm for what I believe in.  I also have been looking less and less at the US General Discussion forum, because it is all Russia conspiracy theories and a fundamental disagreement on what healthcare system is best (I think the most efficient would be the government having no role in health care).  Other forums aren't nearly as bad.  Atlas's predictions are always too bullish on Democrats, but I get that because we all think our party will win and there are more Democrats here.

On the other hand, I actually don't think being pro-life is that hard, but some call me out for focusing too much on that one issue (which is impossible, by the way).
>being pro-life
>wanting the government out of healthcare

pick one.
Abortion isn't health care.  Health care doesn't kill people.
My point was that taking the government out of healthcare will kill people and is therefore definitely not pro-life policy.

I would also take this time to note that ripping the private sector out of healthcare and trying to transition to single payer system would have virtually same effect once you account for the massive disruption that would occur. Especially when you consider just how large a percentage of the economy is healthcare in the US compared to what it was decades ago when other countries implemented such a system.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Gustaf on July 24, 2017, 04:28:35 AM
Few things are as depressing to me as hearing Republicans shout about "free markets" for healthcare since it displays profound ignorance of how insurance markets actually operate.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: °Leprechaun on July 25, 2017, 09:52:36 AM
This place was really a Hillary echo chamber last year.

Definitely was. I was relentlessly attacked constantly
Of course, I agree. As I have said many times, this site is nothing but a Borg Collective.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: RINO Tom on July 25, 2017, 10:43:05 AM
Few things are as depressing to me as hearing Republicans shout about "free markets" for healthcare since it displays profound ignorance of how insurance markets actually operate.

Freeer* markets.  As my CFO-of-a-hospital-father opined, Trumpcare is a shltstorm that pushes the needle in a better direction (as opposed to single payer, which is certainly the end goal of Obamacare for many liberals who "supported it" in 2008).


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Gay Republican on August 01, 2017, 06:30:56 AM
lol, you guys have it so easy.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Torie on August 01, 2017, 10:11:57 AM
I think I was more popular when I was a Pub than am I now as a Dem. I mean, Grumps once used to like me. I would like to think the quality of the posts has more to do with one's reputation, than any party label, or ideological perspective if not way out there.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Grumpier Than Uncle Joe on August 01, 2017, 10:16:45 AM
I think I was more popular when I was a Pub than am I now as a Dem. I mean, Grumps once used to like me. I would like to think the quality of the posts has more to do with one's reputation, than any party label, or ideological perspective if not way out there.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=269119.msg5757225#msg5757225


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 01, 2017, 11:17:24 AM
     Only if your goal is to be popular.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Goldwater on August 01, 2017, 01:03:15 PM
I think I was more popular when I was a Pub than am I now as a Dem. I mean, Grumps once used to like me. I would like to think the quality of the posts has more to do with one's reputation, than any party label, or ideological perspective if not way out there.

I think the party change has less to with it than the location change. :P


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Coolface Sock #42069 on August 01, 2017, 10:33:11 PM
It's really not too bad.

You want to see someone get piled on, try making a comment on NationStates's forum that isn't to the left or Trotskyism and watch yourself get piled on. So since I was a member there before I was here, this doesn't feel so bad. I am (as I imagine most Millennial conservatives are) used to being in the minority on the Internet.

People here may disagree with me but aren't usually mean to me about it.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: JA on August 02, 2017, 08:10:14 AM
Few things are as depressing to me as hearing Republicans shout about "free markets" for healthcare since it displays profound ignorance of how insurance markets actually operate.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Coraxion on August 09, 2017, 03:29:01 PM
Those who think so are so full of sh**t.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: RINO Tom on August 09, 2017, 03:54:37 PM
Few things are as depressing to me as hearing Republicans shout about "free markets" for healthcare since it displays profound ignorance of how insurance markets actually operate.

LOL, just don't talk about politics.  We Republicans are perfectly capable about talking about our favorite sports, vacation destinations, beers, etc. :)


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: TheSaint250 on August 12, 2017, 07:51:43 PM
Today, I don't think I've ever felt more responsible for the actions of people I hate.  Somehow, all Republicans and I are responsible for the actions in Charlottesville today of a few nut jobs who believe that their race is superior, despite us all condemning such atrocities.  We are somehow responsible for all the racial injustice in America now.

Every day, it's another scandal being discussed here about Trump.  But if a Hillary scandal comes up?  "No.  This is just an attempt to divert from Trump.  Republicans are holding on to the past."  (I am not saying to ignore Trump scandals. We should take EVERY scandal seriously, regardless of the person's party, until proven otherwise) And don't even try suggesting a Democratic politician is involved in a scandal because you get mobbed and attacked for God knows what.  In addition to that, many Republicans that are attempting to answer insulting questions about themselves and their "fascism, anti-immigrant positions," etc. just sit there and take it.  The Republicans on this site are more disunited than Republicans in Congress.  And that's hardly possible. 

I hate being known as part of the "dog-whistle, anti-immigrant, white supremacist, rich guy, anti-woman" party.  None of that is even remotely true.  But here? Don't even bother defending it.

I've met Democrats here on this site who don't resort to such disgusting name-calling, and to those of you, I thank you greatly.

I'm sick and tired of this s*** of being labeled someone I'm not even close to by a good portion of Atlas.

Part of me wants to have a Clinton presidency now just to know what it's like to be on the other side.  But I know there wouldn't be much improvement, if any.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Kingpoleon on August 12, 2017, 07:58:35 PM
Just a side note: I got kicked from AH.com for a week for saying that Trump wasn't racist and sexist.
I was banned for making pro-Confederacy, obviously mockery thereof, jokes.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: TheSaint250 on August 12, 2017, 07:59:51 PM
Just a side note: I got kicked from AH.com for a week for saying that Trump wasn't racist and sexist.
I was banned for making pro-Confederacy, obviously mockery thereof, jokes.
They are shockingly strict over there.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Xing on August 12, 2017, 08:05:49 PM
^There are always going to be people who overgeneralize, and won't be satisfied with individuals who denounce violence coming from those on their side of the political aisle. And consistency is not easy for most people; some don't even bother trying to be consistent. I don't doubt that what you say is true, and that there are liberals who lump you together with the protestors today. I can tell you that I've also been lumped in with some less than ideal people, as a Sanders supporter. It's true that many on the left care much more about Trump's scandals than Clinton's or any Democrat's. It's also true that many on the right are content ignoring Trump's scandals and statements, after getting furious at Obama for making statements that were harmless in comparison.

You seem like a decent poster, and you don't deserve to be judged by what the worst on the right do. Judging  people on an individual basis, and holding members of both parties to the same standard seems impossible for many.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: TheSaint250 on August 12, 2017, 08:07:00 PM
^There are always going to be people who overgeneralize, and won't be satisfied with individuals who denounce violence coming from those on their side of the political aisle. And consistency is not easy for most people; some don't even bother trying to be consistent. I don't doubt that what you say is true, and that there are liberals who lump you together with the protestors today. I can tell you that I've also been lumped in with some less than ideal people, as a Sanders supporter. It's true that many on the left care much more about Trump's scandals than Clinton's or any Democrat's. It's also true that many on the right are content ignoring Trump's scandals and statements, after getting furious at Obama for making statements that were harmless in comparison.

You seem like a decent poster, and you don't deserve to be judged by what the worst on the right do. Judging  people on an individual basis, and holding members of both parties to the same standard seems impossible for many.

Thanks.  I guess I just need to let some things go.  Sometimes I take things a little too hard.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Coraxion on August 12, 2017, 08:07:57 PM
Cry me a river. 2% of all my posts are moderated and there's a thread on the front page of this subforum asking people if I'm the most messed up person they've ever met. I'm a Democrat.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Kamala on August 12, 2017, 08:11:24 PM
Today, I don't think I've ever felt more responsible for the actions of people I hate.  Somehow, all Republicans and I are responsible for the actions in Charlottesville today of a few nut jobs who believe that their race is superior, despite us all condemning such atrocities.  We are somehow responsible for all the racial injustice in America now.

Every day, it's another scandal being discussed here about Trump.  But if a Hillary scandal comes up?  "No.  This is just an attempt to divert from Trump.  Republicans are holding on to the past."  (I am not saying to ignore Trump scandals. We should take EVERY scandal seriously, regardless of the person's party, until proven otherwise) And don't even try suggesting a Democratic politician is involved in a scandal because you get mobbed and attacked for God knows what.  In addition to that, many Republicans that are attempting to answer insulting questions about themselves and their "fascism, anti-immigrant positions," etc. just sit there and take it.  The Republicans on this site are more disunited than Republicans in Congress.  And that's hardly possible. 

I hate being known as part of the "dog-whistle, anti-immigrant, white supremacist, rich guy, anti-woman" party.  None of that is even remotely true.  But here? Don't even bother defending it.

I've met Democrats here on this site who don't resort to such disgusting name-calling, and to those of you, I thank you greatly.

I'm sick and tired of this s*** of being labeled someone I'm not even close to by a good portion of Atlas.

Part of me wants to have a Clinton presidency now just to know what it's like to be on the other side.  But I know there wouldn't be much improvement, if any.

Congratulations. Today is the first time you have shared the experience millions of minorities in America experience everyday. It seems obvious that we need to say that the actions of the neonazis in Charlottesville are not indicative of all Republicans or all white people. That is obvious.

But somehow, the right doesn't want to extend that same logic to minorities across America.

The African-American kid in the park shot by the police because of implicit biases that black men are dangerous and criminals, stemming from the crack epidemic of the 80s. Wouldn't it be nice for that kid to not be labeled "dangerous" because of previous perceptions of completely different people?

The muslim American who is "randomly searched" at the airport because of actions done by radical and extremist terrorists with no relation whatsoever to him - wouldn't it be nice for that American to go to through the airport unbothered because of his faith?

The immigrant woman who is harassed by men and women on the street for being a "leech on America," coming over here and "stealing their jobs and Social Security" - wouldn't it be nice if those people judged her by how much she contributes to the country she loves so much by working hard at her job?

Minorities always have to act their best because they are judged by their worst members. They're held responsible for the actions of every single person who shares their skin color or faith. White people, Republicans, whoever, have the privilege to separate themselves away from the undesirable racists, terrorists, white supremacists.

I completely understand why you're so distraught about today. I agree - this forum is a bit too reckless in attacking many of its members - but that is a reality so many people live in, day in and day out.

It wasn't always easy for me to grow up biracial in starkly white South Dakota, but thankfully I wasn't barraged by racially-fueled insults and dog-whistles. I realize I've had it relatively easy compared to many people in my country, from black to hispanic, Asian to Native American, Muslim, Jewish, Sikh, and everyone else.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Frodo on August 12, 2017, 08:28:08 PM
I can only imagine, what with white nationalists/supremacists and their apologists on the up-and-up in the wake of Trump's victory. 


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Coraxion on August 12, 2017, 09:24:10 PM
Today, I don't think I've ever felt more responsible for the actions of people I hate.  Somehow, all Republicans and I are responsible for the actions in Charlottesville today of a few nut jobs who believe that their race is superior, despite us all condemning such atrocities.  We are somehow responsible for all the racial injustice in America now.

Every day, it's another scandal being discussed here about Trump.  But if a Hillary scandal comes up?  "No.  This is just an attempt to divert from Trump.  Republicans are holding on to the past."  (I am not saying to ignore Trump scandals. We should take EVERY scandal seriously, regardless of the person's party, until proven otherwise) And don't even try suggesting a Democratic politician is involved in a scandal because you get mobbed and attacked for God knows what.  In addition to that, many Republicans that are attempting to answer insulting questions about themselves and their "fascism, anti-immigrant positions," etc. just sit there and take it.  The Republicans on this site are more disunited than Republicans in Congress.  And that's hardly possible. 

I hate being known as part of the "dog-whistle, anti-immigrant, white supremacist, rich guy, anti-woman" party.  None of that is even remotely true.  But here? Don't even bother defending it.

I've met Democrats here on this site who don't resort to such disgusting name-calling, and to those of you, I thank you greatly.

I'm sick and tired of this s*** of being labeled someone I'm not even close to by a good portion of Atlas.

Part of me wants to have a Clinton presidency now just to know what it's like to be on the other side.  But I know there wouldn't be much improvement, if any.

Congratulations. Today is the first time you have shared the experience millions of minorities in America experience everyday. It seems obvious that we need to say that the actions of the neonazis in Charlottesville are not indicative of all Republicans or all white people. That is obvious.

But somehow, the right doesn't want to extend that same logic to minorities across America.

The African-American kid in the park shot by the police because of implicit biases that black men are dangerous and criminals, stemming from the crack epidemic of the 80s. Wouldn't it be nice for that kid to not be labeled "dangerous" because of previous perceptions of completely different people?

The muslim American who is "randomly searched" at the airport because of actions done by radical and extremist terrorists with no relation whatsoever to him - wouldn't it be nice for that American to go to through the airport unbothered because of his faith?

The immigrant woman who is harassed by men and women on the street for being a "leech on America," coming over here and "stealing their jobs and Social Security" - wouldn't it be nice if those people judged her by how much she contributes to the country she loves so much by working hard at her job?

Minorities always have to act their best because they are judged by their worst members. They're held responsible for the actions of every single person who shares their skin color or faith. White people, Republicans, whoever, have the privilege to separate themselves away from the undesirable racists, terrorists, white supremacists.

I completely understand why you're so distraught about today. I agree - this forum is a bit too reckless in attacking many of its members - but that is a reality so many people live in, day in and day out.

It wasn't always easy for me to grow up biracial in starkly white South Dakota, but thankfully I wasn't barraged by racially-fueled insults and dog-whistles. I realize I've had it relatively easy compared to many people in my country, from black to hispanic, Asian to Native American, Muslim, Jewish, Sikh, and everyone else.
Excellent post, Kamala. You reap what you sow.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: mvd10 on August 13, 2017, 05:50:04 AM
Cry me a river. 2% of all my posts are moderated and there's a thread on the front page of this subforum asking people if I'm the most messed up person they've ever met. I'm a Democrat.

They have a point though



Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: AN63093 on August 13, 2017, 07:26:09 PM
I haven't been posting here long, but have popped in to lurk every few months for probably close to a decade to get an idea of what people are saying on certain issues (and because there is often some good discussion on demographics and redistricting in that specific forum; a hobby of mine).  Finally had free time to register/post recently.  I'm not a R (though in the past I've been registered as a R in NY).  I vote R and D about equally.

As someone who is both non-religious, but also a strong traditionalist and something of a "light paleo-con" on a lot of issues, I suspect I'm very much in a minority here.  In fact, I doubt there are more than half a dozen active posters here who are even close to my political views.

That being said, I've never found it "hard" to either post here or read the forum.  I'm a little bit older than the mean poster probably (I'm in my 30s), and some posts, particularly by younger posters, will obviously lack historical perspective or won't be terribly sophisticated, or will tend to exaggerate the importance of certain things.  But then again, was I any different when I was a college student?  Not particularly.

I've never had a problem just scrolling past some of the more "dumb" posts, when I see them.  I've never really understood people who are so sensitive to things said on an internet forum... I just roll my eyes and move on, it's just text on a computer screen... it's not like I know anyone personally here, so who cares?


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Deblano on August 13, 2017, 07:38:08 PM
In light of, to put it very lightly "blunders" by past GOP leaders, there is quite a stigma about being Republican on Atlas.

As a Republican-leaning Independent, the GOP is probably as popular as head lice and lukewarm coffee.


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: AtorBoltox on August 13, 2017, 07:49:40 PM
It's not nearly hard enough


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Unapologetic Chinaperson on August 13, 2017, 09:21:16 PM
Today, I don't think I've ever felt more responsible for the actions of people I hate.  Somehow, all Republicans and I are responsible for the actions in Charlottesville today of a few nut jobs who believe that their race is superior, despite us all condemning such atrocities.  We are somehow responsible for all the racial injustice in America now.

Every day, it's another scandal being discussed here about Trump.  But if a Hillary scandal comes up?  "No.  This is just an attempt to divert from Trump.  Republicans are holding on to the past."  (I am not saying to ignore Trump scandals. We should take EVERY scandal seriously, regardless of the person's party, until proven otherwise) And don't even try suggesting a Democratic politician is involved in a scandal because you get mobbed and attacked for God knows what.  In addition to that, many Republicans that are attempting to answer insulting questions about themselves and their "fascism, anti-immigrant positions," etc. just sit there and take it.  The Republicans on this site are more disunited than Republicans in Congress.  And that's hardly possible. 

I hate being known as part of the "dog-whistle, anti-immigrant, white supremacist, rich guy, anti-woman" party.  None of that is even remotely true.  But here? Don't even bother defending it.

I've met Democrats here on this site who don't resort to such disgusting name-calling, and to those of you, I thank you greatly.

I'm sick and tired of this s*** of being labeled someone I'm not even close to by a good portion of Atlas.

Part of me wants to have a Clinton presidency now just to know what it's like to be on the other side.  But I know there wouldn't be much improvement, if any.

Congratulations. Today is the first time you have shared the experience millions of minorities in America experience everyday. It seems obvious that we need to say that the actions of the neonazis in Charlottesville are not indicative of all Republicans or all white people. That is obvious.

But somehow, the right doesn't want to extend that same logic to minorities across America.

The African-American kid in the park shot by the police because of implicit biases that black men are dangerous and criminals, stemming from the crack epidemic of the 80s. Wouldn't it be nice for that kid to not be labeled "dangerous" because of previous perceptions of completely different people?

The muslim American who is "randomly searched" at the airport because of actions done by radical and extremist terrorists with no relation whatsoever to him - wouldn't it be nice for that American to go to through the airport unbothered because of his faith?

The immigrant woman who is harassed by men and women on the street for being a "leech on America," coming over here and "stealing their jobs and Social Security" - wouldn't it be nice if those people judged her by how much she contributes to the country she loves so much by working hard at her job?

Minorities always have to act their best because they are judged by their worst members. They're held responsible for the actions of every single person who shares their skin color or faith. White people, Republicans, whoever, have the privilege to separate themselves away from the undesirable racists, terrorists, white supremacists.

I completely understand why you're so distraught about today. I agree - this forum is a bit too reckless in attacking many of its members - but that is a reality so many people live in, day in and day out.

It wasn't always easy for me to grow up biracial in starkly white South Dakota, but thankfully I wasn't barraged by racially-fueled insults and dog-whistles. I realize I've had it relatively easy compared to many people in my country, from black to hispanic, Asian to Native American, Muslim, Jewish, Sikh, and everyone else.

Say it louder for those in the back! *applause*


Title: Re: Is it hard to be a Republican on Atlas?
Post by: Fuzzy Stands With His Friend, Chairman Sanchez on September 23, 2017, 09:14:49 PM
I'm a 60 year old parent of a 12 year old with serious ADHD.  My 62 year old wife and myself have adopted him; he's our grandson, and the son of my son and his mentally ill wife, who also live with us.  (They'd be homeless if they didn't.)  I have dealt with the public school system, which has dealt with him unfairly, and which allowed him to be bullied and beaten up (he's small in stature), doing little to protect him.  (And, yes, the majority of kids that bullied him were minorities, yet none of the SJWs cry a river for him.)  I've worked two (2) jobs for most of the last 10 years to support not just my son, but my adult son and his wife, so my wife can work a job that allows her flexibility to meet a number of needs for my son and my mentally ill daughter-in-law.  So, yes, being a Republican on Atlas is a piece of cake.  I know the difference between what's hard and what passes for hard.