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Title: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 19, 2005, 01:00:55 AM
This is the guy that would regularly have a beer with Kerry while they were running against each other in the 1996 MA Senate race. He can say goodbye to the Conservative party nomination.


About the bars:
http://www.nationalreview.com/geraghty/geraghty200407290000.asp


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: WalterMitty on August 19, 2005, 08:07:20 AM
is he really running?

if so, that would be great news.

the great state of ny doesnt need williams jennings spitzer as governor.


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: Speed of Sound on August 19, 2005, 09:51:31 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050819/ap_on_re_us/new_york_governor


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: Virginian87 on August 19, 2005, 10:03:34 AM
He could have a chance.  Spitzer is the Boy Wonder of the New York Democratic Party and looks hard to beat.  And although he's from Massachussetts, New Yorkers don't care about carpetbagging.  Hey, they elected Hillary.


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on August 19, 2005, 10:26:11 AM
There was a matchup of him and Spitzer. It was something like Spitzer 60, him 20. This race is already over.

And although he's from Massachussetts, New Yorkers don't care about carpetbagging. Hey, they elected Hillary.

Yeah but Hillary was running against Rick Lazio, not Elliot Spitzer. Not even in the same ballpark.

Spitzer is the next New York governor. I'd be every buck I have on that.


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: Defarge on August 19, 2005, 10:55:33 AM
hahahahaha.

Spitzer will win in an uber landslide.


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on August 19, 2005, 11:01:58 AM
Last Weld V. Spitzer poll i saw was 66% Spitzer, 20% Weld


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: RBH on August 19, 2005, 12:00:01 PM
As long as Spitzer doesn't take campaign advice from John Silber, he should be OK


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: Joe Republic on August 19, 2005, 12:03:01 PM
Talking of Rick Lazio (BRTD mentioned him anyway), he's also considering a bid for governor in 2006.


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: YRABNNRM on August 19, 2005, 03:56:15 PM
Give Weld some time to get his name out there and his record as Mass. Gov. and polls will begin to thin. I'm not saying Weld will beat Spitzer but it certainly won't be 60-20.


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: Ben. on August 19, 2005, 04:23:50 PM

Give Weld some time to get his name out there and his record as Mass. Gov. and polls will begin to thin. I'm not saying Weld will beat Spitzer but it certainly won't be 60-20.


I agree with Weld in the race it moves from almost solid Dem to lean Dem and could yet get closer :( 


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: Speed of Sound on August 19, 2005, 04:41:21 PM
ill say Spitzer:59%
             Weld:39%
            Other:2%



Margin of error: +/- 3%


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: YRABNNRM on August 19, 2005, 05:01:42 PM
I think Weld could break 40%.


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: Smash255 on August 19, 2005, 05:14:03 PM

Possible, but highly unlikley, i say he will be around 35%,  Spitzeer 62% Weld 35% thrird party 3%


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: YRABNNRM on August 19, 2005, 07:13:56 PM

Possible, but highly unlikley, i say he will be around 35%,  Spitzeer 62% Weld 35% thrird party 3%

If he could win two terms in Massachussettes what would stop him from only breaking 40%.


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: nini2287 on August 19, 2005, 08:34:01 PM
I'd have rather seen him stay in MA and run against Ted Kennedy (even though he'd still lose-I'd still be glad to support him).


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: RBH on August 19, 2005, 08:44:48 PM

Possible, but highly unlikley, i say he will be around 35%,  Spitzeer 62% Weld 35% thrird party 3%

If he could win two terms in Massachussettes what would stop him from only breaking 40%.

Well, he won the first term against a guy named John Silber.

Here's some more from Facts on File

Quote
Silber Loses in Massachusetts

John R. Silber (D), the controversial president of Boston University, was defeated by former U.S. Attorney William Weld (R), 52%-48%.

Silber had drawn both praise and condemnation for his tendency to shoot from the hip, criticizing politicians of both parties. That same trait had caused him to make several gaffes, dubbed by the Massachusetts press "Silber shockers," which had alienated traditional Democratic voters.

Many analysts blamed Silber's defeat on his statement in the last days of the campaign that working mothers should stay at home for the good of their children. Surveys showed that many Weld supporters had voted for the Republican mostly because of a dislike for Silber.

(..)

Silber Scores Massachusetts Upset

Boston University President John R. Silber September 18 scored a stunning upset victory in the Massachusetts Democratic gubernatorial primary. He would face former U.S. Attorney William F. Weld, the upset winner of the Republican primary, in November.

Silber defeated state Attorney General Francis X. Bellotti, 53% to 44%. About one million people voted in the Democratic primary. A Boston Globe survey published September 13 had shown Bellotti with a 23 percentage point lead over Silber. A third candidate, Lieutenant Governor Evelyn Murphy, September 10 had dropped out of the race and endorsed Bellotti.

Incumbent Governor Michael S. Dukakis (D), faced with declining poll ratings and a state budget crisis, had chosen not to run for reelection.

Silber was a maverick Democrat who admitted that he had voted for President Bush in 1988 and who was a conservative on a number of issues. He had been a center of controversy throughout the race, drawing fire for several outspoken comments.

Silber was especially critical of the Massachusetts welfare system, suggesting that the state had become a "welfare magnet." According to Silber, generous benefits had caused a deluge of immigrants from "tropical climates" to come to the state. "Why should Lowell be the Cambodian capital of America?" Silber had asked, referring to a Massachusetts town with a large Cambodian population.

In the last days of the campaign, Silber again drew fire for an outspoken remark. When asked why he had not made a speech about crime in a predominately black neighborhood such as Boston's Roxbury, Silber September 11 said, "There is no point in my making a speech on crime control to a bunch of addicts."

Although Silber was blasted by public officials and the media for his remarks, surveys revealed that many voters admired his tendency to say what he thought. Voters also said that they liked the fact that Silber had no ties to the current state government.

As for winning in 1994. Politicans tend to win re-election after doing a good job for their term.


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: Erc on August 19, 2005, 08:49:17 PM
Quote
As for winning in 1994. Politicans tend to win re-election after doing a good job for their term.

And that Republicans did well everywhere that year (heck, Mitt Romney broke 40% running against Ted Kennedy...)


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: YRABNNRM on August 19, 2005, 10:27:08 PM
I'd have rather seen him stay in MA and run against Ted Kennedy (even though he'd still lose-I'd still be glad to support him).

He currently lives in NY so he would have to carpetbag back to MA ;)


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: YRABNNRM on August 19, 2005, 10:28:38 PM
As for winning in 1994. Politicans tend to win re-election after doing a good job for their term.

And he could do well here after doing a good job in MA.


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 19, 2005, 10:57:41 PM
I'd have rather seen him stay in MA and run against Ted Kennedy (even though he'd still lose-I'd still be glad to support him).

He currently lives in NY so he would have to carpetbag back to MA ;)

And I believe he grew up there, too.


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: WalterMitty on August 19, 2005, 11:08:39 PM
I'd have rather seen him stay in MA and run against Ted Kennedy (even though he'd still lose-I'd still be glad to support him).

actually we could use him in mass to run for governor in 06.  the republicans have no one that can mount a credible challenge (assuming romney declines to run again).

maybe paul celluci will run again.


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: YRABNNRM on August 19, 2005, 11:19:31 PM
I'd have rather seen him stay in MA and run against Ted Kennedy (even though he'd still lose-I'd still be glad to support him).

He currently lives in NY so he would have to carpetbag back to MA ;)

And I believe he grew up there, too.

Yes he did. Not that far from where I am if I remember correctly.


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: Smash255 on August 19, 2005, 11:35:31 PM

Possible, but highly unlikley, i say he will be around 35%,  Spitzeer 62% Weld 35% thrird party 3%

If he could win two terms in Massachussettes what would stop him from only breaking 40%.

His opponent who has had approval ratings in the 60's, with very low disapproval & Net approval in the 40-50% range


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: YRABNNRM on August 19, 2005, 11:39:13 PM

Possible, but highly unlikley, i say he will be around 35%,  Spitzeer 62% Weld 35% thrird party 3%

If he could win two terms in Massachussettes what would stop him from only breaking 40%.

His opponent who has had approval ratings in the 60's, with very low disapproval & Net approval in the 40-50% range

Alright. We'll see when the campaign starts.


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: King on August 20, 2005, 10:29:40 PM
Would Golisano running yet again hurt or help Weld?  I'd imagine some Golisano supporters voted for Spitzer in that poll.


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: Smash255 on August 20, 2005, 10:50:10 PM
Would Golisano running yet again hurt or help Weld?  I'd imagine some Golisano supporters voted for Spitzer in that poll.

Hurt.  Golisano is fairly conservative (more so than Weld, especially on social issues) so Weld could be hurt some by upstate Republicans


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: YRABNNRM on August 21, 2005, 12:00:35 AM
Would Golisano running yet again hurt or help Weld?  I'd imagine some Golisano supporters voted for Spitzer in that poll.

Right now I see Golisano running against Weld in the primary. I'm not sure if he would still run after that.


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 21, 2005, 02:03:18 PM
I'd have rather seen him stay in MA and run against Ted Kennedy (even though he'd still lose-I'd still be glad to support him).

Not my Teddy!


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: PBrunsel on August 21, 2005, 06:18:39 PM
I hate how we put so much faith and trust in polls. Polling does not put into effect what will happen in a campaign. I think it comes down to the candidate's personality, that's my idea of, a least, Iowa state politcs. Will Weld do well against pitzer. If he campaings as hard asd he did in 1994 for the MA Governorship, then I think he will do well.

Too bad Colin Powell isn't the New York GOP's candidate though. ;)


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: Q on August 21, 2005, 06:51:09 PM
I can't believe there's not a better GOP politician in the nation's third-largest state.

Why do state parties continue to import candidates?  Other than Hillary Clinton, when is the last time an out-of-stater has won an election?


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: YRABNNRM on August 21, 2005, 06:58:20 PM
Weld wasn't imported. He's lived here for the past five years and he also grew up here. It's not out of nowhere like Hillary.

The NYGOP almost had nothing to do with Weld I believe, He entered the race on his own, which is why some NY Republicans(like State Senator Bruno) are pissing and moaning.

Weld is as good as the NYGOP is gonna get in this race.


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on August 21, 2005, 07:03:54 PM
Great idea on DU: During any debate, ask Weld what baseball team he roots for. If he says Yankees or Mets, he looks like a cheap panderer. If he says Red Sox, well that won't go over too well.


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: YRABNNRM on August 21, 2005, 08:54:22 PM
Great idea on DU: During any debate, ask Weld what baseball team he roots for. If he says Yankees or Mets, he looks like a cheap panderer. If he says Red Sox, well that won't go over too well.

Yea that will matter...


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: © tweed on August 21, 2005, 09:41:33 PM
Great idea on DU: During any debate, ask Weld what baseball team he roots for. If he says Yankees or Mets, he looks like a cheap panderer. If he says Red Sox, well that won't go over too well.

Summer of 2001, heat of NYC mayoral election:

Reporter: "Do you root for the yankees or mets?"

bloomberg: "I'm from Boston."

Bloomberg won of course, and then became a yankee fan in october of 2003.


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on August 21, 2005, 11:54:03 PM
It was a bit of a joke of course.

Although there actually are people who do vote on that stuff sadly. I am completely sure that if a candidate came out as a huge Packers fan and his opponent claimed to be a Vikings fan, my dad would vote for the Vikings fan based on that alone. I suspect one of my supervisors at work would too.


Title: Re: Former MA governor Weld running for NY governor
Post by: © tweed on August 26, 2005, 03:57:40 PM
A new Rasmussen poll shows Spitzer beating Weld 55-20%.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2005/New%20York%20Governor.htm