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Title: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President (Defense Policy)
Post by: Lumine on September 24, 2017, 12:21:14 AM
Lumine for President:
A New Dawn for Atlasia

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Former President Lumine announces his third presidential campaign at a rally in San Francisco

Press Release: Following significant reflexion and the urging of several Atlasians to join the presidential race, former President Lumine announced today that he was indeed seeking the White House to be elected to a second full-term, more than three years after his first term. He is to run as an independent, separate from both Labor and the Federalists.

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My fellow Atlasians,

Returning to Atlasia after months of self-imposed exile has been a rather unexpected experience. I had grown to believe that months of staying on the background as the nation seemed to repeat a cycle of old problems had dulled my enthusiasm an interest. I had grown to believe I had stopped caring as I once did for our beloved Republic. I had grown to believe I had little more to offer to this game after my years of service and accomplishments, and that dignified (or undignified) retirement was indeed the better choice.

It was you, the citizens, who showed me otherwise. Whether it was by the extraordinary reception to my latest Senate run, or your open encouragement (public or private) to run again for the highest office of the land, you showed me that my voice still mattered, it was still important as Atlasia faced times of uncertainty and the ultimate decision to choose a President in the upcoming October Election. Before me was a tempting but tough decision: Did I still had what it takes to run and serve as President? Could I be of help to Atlasia? Was I necessary in any way?

And then I took a good look at Atlasia right now.

My friends, these are not the best of times, or even times of prosperity.

We stand at war in Asia after an unbelievably incompetent operation threw us into chaos. We dance to the tune of China and Russia in deals that compromise our economy or the safety of our allies. We don’t have a budget, or a foreign review. We stand to the edge of a shutdown and the downgrading of our credit. Unemployment remains high. There are issues with security as strikes and protests take place and crime seemingly rises. Inactivity reins still on several places of our Republic. We carry on with a model of gridlock in Congress, as the bicameral system slows things and complicates them despite the hard work of many accomplished people in Nyman. Few things we can praise, key among them the activity of the Game Engine team and their exemplary work.

More to the point, this is doubly disappointing for me as this context comes in the middle of an ongoing Federalist White House. Evidently, my friends, I side with the right more than I do with the left, and it hurts me to see that the forces that could be fighting for liberty and common values to us all on the center-right have led us to this situation. It particularly stings when I see younger, newer Atlasians shut out of the process by those who work mysteriously and behind the scenes. Has our Republic been worse? Yes, and we can all turn the clock back a couple of years to see this in full evidence. But that is not to say “all’s well in Atlasia”.

As soon as I took that hard look at the state of the country, I realized something had to be done.

So why not support one of the main nominees, you might ask? Well, because I think we’ve entered an odd phase of Atlasia which I would describe as “echo-chamber consensus”. I, for one, believe in moderation and bipartisanship, but this must not come at the cost of our own ideals, at the cost of debate. The current state of debate in Atlasia does not seem impressive, even if some try their best to bring up new issues and new ideas. The Labor Party and the Federalist Party have both moved to the center in ways not thought possible before, but with the collective effect that once again public discourse in Atlasia has swung to the left as both parties have less and less differences, making for a situation which is frankly dull, boring and unappealing. I respect President fhtagn and former President Truman, but I cannot approve of the manner in which the first was suddenly parachuted into the White House nor cannot I support the abuse that means to be both a Regional Executive and a member of Congress, much as I respect Truman’s undeniable skill.

I have more experience than them. I’ve served as President for a full term. I’ve fought on regional governments and congress alike. I’ve led think tanks and newspapers. Fought for different causes in a range of issues from foreign policy to a constitutional convention. My administration, while controversial and hotly attacked by former and current foes, was a time of activity, order and accomplishments. I am convinced I still have much to offer to our nation, and that I could play a decisive role in taking us into a new dawn from the White House.

And so my announcement is obvious: my fellow citizens, I am running for President of Atlasia.

I’ve been a player of this game for the past five years, and this is my third presidential campaign. On my first attempt I sought to fight against the then Labor-Federalist duopoly, and we achieved a respectable and close third while emphasizing the need for reasonable reforms. On my second attempt I sought to bring back order to a Republic in disarray in the middle of a Civil Conflict, and after win led an effective administration. This is my third attempt, in which not only I will attempt to showcase where I think we have gone wrong, but also lead this nation into better, more prosperous times.

You know that through my political life I’ve been a member of many parties, I make no attempt to hide it. I’ve always been an independent minded person, a free thinker, despising IRC cabals or smoke filled rooms in favor of an open talk with the public. Sometimes they’ve done me the honor of electing me to represent them, sometimes they haven’t. But I’ve always drawn something from the experience. I may strongly disagree, for example, with the rhetoric and attacks from Oakvale, but it is undeniable our country is in need of something different, and I salute his attempt at challenging the established “echo-chamber consensus”. I thank him for his support, and I shall do my best to carry a banner of leadership, reform and statesmanship.

The work ahead is daunting.

You will learn of my platform in due time (this speech has gone on for too long), but you can be sure of this: I shall seek a stronger, more engaged foreign policy that includes a swift victory in the Second Korean War. I shall pursue a bolder, more aggressive agenda of reform to revitalize our economy, standing up for free market based reforms instead of harmless tinkering. I shall pursue an agenda that respects the fundamental liberties and rights of Atlasians, while taking a tough and uncompromising stand against crime. I shall propose substantial reforms to this game, protecting and strengthening some institutions like the Game Engine, reforming others like the Presidency, promoting a return to a unicameral Congress, and advocating future, long-term reforms such as the idea of a Parliamentary Atlasia. I shall defend the rights of regions to decide on several matters of policy, and ensure their powers are stronger without compromising the unity of Atlasia. I shall fight for the environment and the protection of our ecosystem, now more than ever. I shall stand for fiscal responsibility, for a correction of the course into a bold agenda of reform that, for once, shakes things up without compromising the integrity and future of our country.

After all, as my personal hero Sir Winston Churchill once said: What is the use of living, if it be not to strive for noble causes and to make this muddled world a better place for those who will live in it after we are gone?

I fight for A New Dawn for Atlasia, and I shall endeavor to deliver.

Thank you very much,

Lumine.


Title: Re: Lumine for President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Lumine on September 24, 2017, 12:22:32 AM
Campaign Info:

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Endorsements:
Former Vice-President Rpryor
Senator Spiral
Former Justice Oakvale


Title: Re: Lumine for President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 24, 2017, 12:33:00 AM
Inactivity reins still on several places of our Republic. We carry on with a model of gridlock in Congress, as the bicameral system slows things and complicates them despite the hard work of many accomplished people in Nyman.

Lumine I like and respect you, but this is really unfair to the hard work of Scott, PiT, myself and the rules changes that NeverAgain, myself and PiT worked hard on.

I realize you are opposed to the bicameralist system, but we passed the CR in less than a week. The Budget Process and Control Act in 3 weeks. There are processes for simultaneous consideration of bills now The last 3 VPs in a row have been actively engaged in the proceedings of Congress and their work has kept bills flowing, passing through both chambers and on to the President.

This may have been accurate six months ago, but it is not the case now. In the Fourth Congress, one bill was put on my desk. In the Fifth Congress, over a dozen was placed on DFW's desk.


You complain of a seeming move to the left, but I would note that we have regionalized healthcare regulations with a bill that is very similar to on you helped me, shua and Duke write in 2014 (though this one now is more conservative with a regional opt out for the public option). The surest path to a real leftward slide is to return to a unicameralist system or worse a Parliamentary system where there would be no checks on a Labor majority and stuff like single payer would slide through with ease just like what happened in 2009 with Fritzcare. And it took 5 years to change that I would note, I was there for all five. :P

I would bring to mind the TNF bills, especially the attempt to nationalize power, which only failed because together we Garlanded the VP nomination as you will recall, until after the next election. Had the VP not been vacant, it would have passed. Under a bicameralist system, such obstructionism of the VP nomination would not be rendered necessary as a desperate last stand of free marketers to stave off socialism.


Title: Re: Lumine for President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on September 24, 2017, 01:16:43 AM
I realize you are opposed to the bicameralist system, but we passed the CR in less than a week. The Budget Process and Control Act in 3 weeks. There are processes for simultaneous consideration of bills now The last 3 VPs in a row have been actively engaged in the proceedings of Congress and their work has kept bills flowing, passing through both chambers and on to the President.

This may have been accurate six months ago, but it is not the case now. In the Fourth Congress, one bill was put on my desk. In the Fifth Congress, over a dozen was placed on DFW's desk.

     I've been VP for less than two weeks and Congress has already passed seven bills and resolutions under my watch. Bicameralism absolutely has what it takes to work as a system; it just needs active people in charge. If we abolish game mechanics that have only struggled due to the inactivity of some past officeholders, then we are only lowering standards when what we should be doing is rising to the occasion ourselves.


Title: Re: Lumine for President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 24, 2017, 01:22:17 AM
I realize you are opposed to the bicameralist system, but we passed the CR in less than a week. The Budget Process and Control Act in 3 weeks. There are processes for simultaneous consideration of bills now The last 3 VPs in a row have been actively engaged in the proceedings of Congress and their work has kept bills flowing, passing through both chambers and on to the President.

This may have been accurate six months ago, but it is not the case now. In the Fourth Congress, one bill was put on my desk. In the Fifth Congress, over a dozen was placed on DFW's desk.

     I've been VP for less than two weeks and Congress has already passed seven bills and resolutions under my watch. Bicameralism absolutely has what it takes to work as a system; it just needs active people in charge. If we abolish game mechanics that have only struggled due to the inactivity of some past officeholders, then we are only lowering standards when what we should be doing is rising to the occasion ourselves.

Yes and a lot of mistakes were made when Congress was getting started, that produced the string of horrible Congresses in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th terms.  

We restored the pre-reset Noticeboard, we started linking and signing off on chamber votes and started engaging in simultaneous consideration of bills, which we did for the Budget Control Act and Healthcare (which passed relatively quickly, once the bill itself was written, though Scott's thread did remain dormant for 8 months, the actually bill we passed was finished in early August. The House thread reflects this).


Title: Re: Lumine for President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 24, 2017, 03:44:43 AM
Also, in terms of getting that budget thing going, it really would have been a big help if you had created Noticeboard threads for the first and second Congresses as VP, because it is making digging up revenue/expense generating bills problematic. :P It took ten minutes to collect them all from Goldwater's and PiT's threads covering twice as many Congresses. :P


Title: Re: Lumine for President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: rpryor03 on September 24, 2017, 09:07:01 AM
ENDORSED!


Title: Re: Lumine for President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on September 24, 2017, 12:07:44 PM
Why four people I really like must be competing for one office? :(


Title: Re: Lumine for President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Lumine on September 24, 2017, 12:21:53 PM
Why four people I really like must be competing for one office? :(

Well, it makes things far more exciting, doesn't it?


Thanks, my friend! Pleased to have you on board!

Seen as Yankee already brought the spin machine, I'll be delivering a speech later today answering to the latest claim that bicameralism stops socialism (gods, what a risible argument to make).


Title: Re: Lumine for President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Adam Griffin on September 24, 2017, 02:47:17 PM
Wait, so you're telling me there are right-wingers who aren't content for their standard bearer in this presidential election to be a far-left Jill Stein supporter who got their feelings hurt by a bad party chair and decided they'd pretend to be a right-winger? Color me skeptical!

I wish your bald-ass head the best of luck!


Title: Re: Lumine for President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: fhtagn on September 24, 2017, 03:23:36 PM
and decided they'd pretend to be a right-winger?

Not sure where you're getting the "pretend to be a right winger" from, considering I've been open about the fact that I'm not a right winger, and have been very open about the policies (both left and right) in which I place my support. The majority of Federalist Party members know this, as well as those outside of the party.

I am not the most conservative member of the Federalist Party, and I never claimed myself to be. The Federalist Party is a very diverse party, with a large moderate wing, which I realize is where I generally fit on most issues.

It's been about 5 months (?) since I've joined the Federalist Party and you're still complaining? I'd say that's a pretty clear indicator it's not me who has the hurt feelings.


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Title: Re: Lumine for President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Adam Griffin on September 24, 2017, 03:37:59 PM

You're not "not the most conservative member of the Federalist Party" nor are you even a "moderate": you're a blatant left-winger (arguably to the left of myself!) who made their career over spilled milk and the fact that one (or more?!) people on the Right wanted to have sexy times with you. Now you're President because of a series of acts involving schemes and corruption.

I actually don't think most Federalists know that, as I understand how the game works all too well. I can only hope Lumine makes a case to all of those principled zombies and players who don't know any better!


Title: Re: Lumine for President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Adam Griffin on September 24, 2017, 03:39:03 PM
And you shouldn't flatter yourself too much about any of this: I have always called out ideological discrepancies when and where they exist, whether it's in one party or another. I'd be raging if ChairmanSanchez or whomever was a Labor Party President pretending to be a "moderate" all the same, because it'd be just as ri-goddamn-diculous as the current situation.


Title: Re: Lumine for President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: fhtagn on September 24, 2017, 04:05:22 PM
It's cute that you're making all these assumptions when it's painfully obvious you know absolutely nothing about me and my views, nor have you made any effort to. In fact, even when I was in the Labor Party, I don't recall any situations where we ever interacted with each other.

It's also hilarious that you think you have anything to say about the Federalist Party or it's members today considering:
1. You're not a Federalist.
2. You're not even active in this game, and haven't been in quite some time.
3. Most folks (especially the newer players) don't even know who you are.

I think what is truly "ri-goddamn-diculous" is how painfully obvious it is that you just want a piece of the "divide the Federalist Party" cake. It's not about ideology to you (if it was, you wouldn't have backed letting a Federalist become Chair of the Labor Party :P).

So instead of continuing this, I'm going to end it with a quote from my dear friend, and my party's Chair:


And that certainly includes you ;)


Title: Re: Lumine for President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Adam Griffin on September 24, 2017, 04:57:23 PM
LOL, I know plenty to make a judgement call. Because just like poor Ben Kenobi who you used for political gain and just like your current internet Fantasyland boyfriend that you're using for votes, you are just one of many archetypes that I've seen cycle through this time plenty of times. I don't have to know you (and certainly not in the Biblical sense!) to see it for what it is.

The difference between somebody like Ted - who had been legitimately shifting left in reality for quite some time - and somebody like you who is still a rabid leftist Jill Stein supporter pretending to be something completely clear across the spectrum (while simultaneously trying to be everything to everybody) doesn't really need to be explained.


And if you're a Federalist, then that label means nothing anymore: I guess we can thank the last President for that if so. I don't have to be a Federalist to know that. I've lived throughout its entire existence, done political battle with every one of its key leaders over that time and certainly know its machinations even better than you (and yes, even when I'm not paying attention to the game).

Even if the Old Guard has allowed their own party to be hollowed out and stand for nothing more than a walking ideological hypocrisy of personality cultism in the pursuit of victory, that still applies and it's still obvious to this somebody who isn't "active in this game".


Title: Re: Lumine for President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Adam Griffin on September 24, 2017, 05:03:09 PM
[Sorry to have derailed your thread, Lumine - I'll let this illegitimate opportunist of a President and company respond in whatever way they desire without weighing in further]

* Though I make no guarantees when Yankee inevitably storms in at 1 AM and starts with his 1,000 word quote-storms


Title: Re: Lumine for President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: fhtagn on September 24, 2017, 05:04:10 PM

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Title: Re: Lumine for President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on September 24, 2017, 05:04:55 PM
Look, how about we abolish the Presidency and institute a collective council in lines of Switzerland? Then I can back all of you.


Title: Re: Lumine for President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Lumine on September 24, 2017, 05:08:38 PM
Yes, I complain about a move to the Left

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Former President Lumine offers criticism of the current direction of the Atlasian center-right

Press Release: Deciding to answer to the latest claims by Speaker Yankee, former President Lumine spoke on further detail on his concerns regarding the Federalist Party leadership.

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As editor of The Crusader I wrote on February 2017 a piece reflecting on the victory of dfw and, particularly, the fact that Yankee would not get to serve a full term as President. Back then I said: “There is also an unsung hero of the center-right in this struggle: outgoing President Yankee. Perseverant to the end, Yankee has never abandoned his post, always fighting for the particular cause he holds dear no matter the sacrifices.” I’ve had countless disagreements with Yankee over the years, but I meant those words when I looked towards a statesman whom I believed to be committed to a cause.

And so it pains me to say I’m not that convinced now about what is the cause the Federalist Leadership is committed to, beyond winning the next election.

My esteemed friend the former President has decided to bring out the guns to protect his chosen nominee by arguing a position in favor of unicameralism is somehow not only misguided, but contrary to a Conservative principle, because for some reason our current bicameral system is a barrier to prevent Socialism. My friends, let us be serious on this debate, you could hardly take a position more exaggerated and convenient than that. I will take the time to reply to this in a few minutes on a different speech, so let me make a wider point I wish to assert on this presidential campaign.

Yankee questioned whether I complained of a move to the left. The answer is yes, indeed I do. I realized that my criticism of the President might be unfair if one wasn’t well acquainted with her record and biography in Atlasia, so I took the trouble of doing some simple research, expecting to be proven wrong. And I wasn’t. Eleven months ago, on November 2016, now President fhtagn joined this game as a Laborite, noting outside of Atlasia that she was a supporter of Jill Stein and to a lesser degree of Bernie Sanders (which normally might not have that much bearing inside Atlasia, but it’s a pretty clear indicator here).

On March 2017 she proudly proclaimed there was no question of her progressive values. On April 2017 she suddenly decided her home was the Federalist Party, a month after proclaiming her values were progressive ones. On September 2017, less than five months after joining the party, she was suspiciously parachuted to the Presidency without a single ballot cast on her name, no evident constitutional conflict which warranted her rise to the Presidency (unlike lauded caretaker Presidents like Cranberry), and with countless other Federalists with more experience, more accomplishments, and yes, more ideological consistency.

My friends, we can all change our views, we’re all entitled to. I’ve changed my mind sometimes, and through my career I’ve been on different parties depending on which I feel represents my views on a better way. But there is a difference between slowly changing your mind, and going from the far-left into the sudden champion of the center right, hailed by some Federalists as someone who, for some reason which escapes me, is entitled to a full term as the standard-bearer of the center right even though she openly proclaims she doesn’t belong in the right.

Is it really so much to ask that the party that purports to stand for a set of liberty-based values chooses a nominee which is coherent with those views? Because to me it seems what we’re seeing is an evident embracing of what seems like an electoral advantage (parachuting a President which is barely any different from many in Labor) while conservative or center-right values are thrown out the window or payed some lip service. I think the results of the Federalist Primary actually hide a lot of voters who are unaware of this or who find themselves disaffected. I think there are many independents or centrists who also feel that way, if for different reasons.

The problem with this is that I feel most Federalists, independents or center-right Atlasians don't even agree with the current situation. I happen to believe many feel disenfranchised, or left behind, but forced to go with it even though they would probably prefer a bolder vision for their party and for their sector. And I honestly feel sorry for them, because many of them are new to Atlasia or rather young on it, and they're victims to "echo-chamber consensus".

I, for one, don’t feel I should let that stand and allow this election to become a rather dull affair of choosing between two parties with two nominees which are remarkably close in views and ideals, the nation subject to an echo-chamber as debate suffers and consistency is left to whither for the sake of votes. So I intend to carry a message of both necessary reform to our institutions for the sake of the game, and policies which are more consistent in tone and substance with the views one would actually expect as coming from the center-right.


Title: Re: Lumine for President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: PPT Spiral on September 24, 2017, 05:14:18 PM
Enthusiastically endorsed! This is the strong leadership we need in this age, and I'm proud to be on the same side as my old friend.


Title: Re: Lumine for President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Unconditional Surrender Truman on September 24, 2017, 05:37:55 PM
Welcome to the race, Lumine; I look forward to the contest ahead.


Title: Re: Lumine for President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Lumine on September 24, 2017, 05:44:38 PM
Enthusiastically endorsed! This is the strong leadership we need in this age, and I'm proud to be on the same side as my old friend.

Spiral, thank you very much! Your endorsement will be crucial in the days ahead, and I'm grateful for your support.

Welcome to the race, Lumine; I look forward to the contest ahead.

Thanks, Truman! I look forward to it as well, I think we'll have a lot of fun debating about the Atlasia we want to see.


Title: Re: Lumine for President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Lumine on September 24, 2017, 05:44:59 PM
Why Unicameralism Matters

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Press Release:Former President Lumine explained today one of his planks for Game Reform, outlining the need for a Unicameral System with both regional and at-large Senators like in the past:

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Having gotten my main concern regarding the President and the Federalist Leadership out of the way (for which I will inevitably be crucified in a barrage of long posts of outrage), I wish to move to explain and defend one of my first policy proposals: the return to a Unicameral Congress.

My good friend Yankee makes an interesting point regarding Conservatism, arguing that in spirit it involves the necessity of the division of power to prevent corruption, then following with his bizarre conclusion that Bicameralism is what provides a supposed “equal balance” between regions and majority vote, checking each other in prevent excess. Then follows a rant about how the end of bicameralism is somehow the path to hell as socialism takes over the nation and Atlasia goes to hell and ruin. You would think I’ve exaggerating there, but those are Yankee’s words, not mine.

My friends, the fact is as follows. The early months of Bicameralism were a disaster, and I doubt you’ll find many Atlasians to tell you otherwise. Gridlock, lack of clarity and coherence, a very odd role for the Vice-Presidency (which I criticized from the start) followed each other as efficiency was very much not accomplished. Now, I have no issue with admitting things have improved. I’m not trying to sell a narrative that Atlasia is a doomed hell-hole, what I’m saying is that there are many ways in which we can make our institutions work better, which is at the forefront of a conservative ideal in terms of government.

You want the institutions to work better, to ensure stability, order and efficiency, and defending whatever happens to be the status quo seems to be like a very reductive, simplistic idea of what conservatism really is. And I say that deeply admiring Burke himself.

Bicameralism has several issues:

First, it promotes gridlock through the action of two different chambers which require a lot of work to coordinate. They can achieve this if, but I find it hard to believe this is sustainable or wouldn’t fall apart with surprising easy.

Second, it elevates the number of officeholders too much: up to seventeen people serving on Congress from then ten we used to have. This means that we see more uncontested or clear-cut elections than competitive ones (for example, the past special elections in the South and Fremont were exceptions, not the rule), and the game suffers from it. The regions also suffer from it, as brilliant officeholders are more likely to leave their region to serve in Nyman. It has gone to such a ridiculous extent that the Fremont Prime Minister is also a Representative!

Third, sure, it may act as a barrier against socialism. But it also acts as a barrier against everything else, it is a system which promotes delays and goes from sane bipartisanship into “echo-chamber consensus” as measures are bound to end up too watered-down.

I have a different proposal. I want a Congress that can work better whether it is now or in the future, whether activity remains the same, or whether it is lower. I think Unicameralism works better in that regard, and the reasons are simple: It brings less officeholders, thus aiding with activity, filling up positions, and strengthening the regions. It brings less gridlock, having a more streamlined process of debate and legislative work to get things done. It allows us to past more substantive matters, even more than what the current model allows.

I propose the following:

A constitutional amendment which will eliminate the House of Representatives, and work extensive reform into the Senate to turn it back into a Unicameral System, which nonetheless continues to respect both the representation of the regions and the will of the general electorate. I propose expanding the Senate to eleven members, with six Senators elected as they are by the regions and five Senators elected in At-Large seats, allowing us to lose six government offices to make government smaller and more efficient (which on by itself is a consistent, key conservative principle) while respecting the duality of a Congress which is nonetheless more efficient by using a single chamber.

This is one of many proposals I’m considering for Game Reform, but as you can see, it’s not about demolishing current institutions just for the sake of it, it’s radical reform, but radical reform with a purpose, with a clear plan, with a clear idea of what it wants to achieve. And the end result ought to help activity, ought to make governing and legislating easier, and it doesn’t bring about the end of Atlasia, or raging Socialism or Fascism, or whatever caricature we one can make about a hellish future.

My fellow Atlasians, is it really such a bad idea?


Title: Re: Lumine for President: A New Dawn for Atlasia (Unicameralism / Conservatism)
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on September 24, 2017, 06:12:07 PM
I agree bicameralism was always a freaking travesty.


Title: Re: Lumine for President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Terry the Fat Shark on September 24, 2017, 06:18:55 PM
who made their career over spilled milk and the fact that one (or more?!) people on the Right wanted to have sexy times with you.

maybe one day Adam, maybe one day, but dfwadamlover will never ever be canon ;)


Anyways, endorsed for 2nd preference, I really would consider 1st preferencing if fhtagn was not in the race (that's because of policies, which if anyone actually bothered to research would know that she has moved pretty rapidly to the right mostly due to life factors, among other thing and is now in the same realm as me, except possibly to my right), that being said, good luck!


Title: Re: Lumine for President: A New Dawn for Atlasia (Unicameralism / Conservatism)
Post by: Lumine on September 24, 2017, 09:39:16 PM
Vice-Presidential Pick coming tomorrow


Title: Re: Lumine for President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 25, 2017, 01:39:22 AM
* Though I make no guarantees when Yankee inevitably storms in at 1 AM and starts with his 1,000 word quote-storms

September 25, 2017, 01:38:26 am

Eh, who cares


Title: Re: Lumine for President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 25, 2017, 01:56:31 AM
A constitutional amendment which will eliminate the House of Representatives, and work extensive reform into the Senate to turn it back into a Unicameral System, which nonetheless continues to respect both the representation of the regions and the will of the general electorate. I propose expanding the Senate to eleven members, with six Senators elected as they are by the regions and five Senators elected in At-Large seats, allowing us to lose six government offices to make government smaller and more efficient (which on by itself is a consistent, key conservative principle) while respecting the duality of a Congress which is nonetheless more efficient by using a single chamber.

My fellow Atlasians, is it really such a bad idea?[/justify]
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I find it rather disturbing that you intentionally set up the inequity of 5 and 6 with Regions coming off slightly better off in the deal by 1. Surely you can spare 1 extra office to 1) make them both equal and 2) improve the quality of At-Large Elections. :P

On the last note I would make a point that STV works far better at higher numbers and tracks far more closely with the Popular Vote with numbers higher than 5. But the elimination of the People's House, replaced with permanent minority bloc of "At-Large" Senators, with a low number that long proved ineffective, will distort the voice of the people and would shut out a lot of people. I am all for regional rights and representation, but the government has to be responsive to the people as well.

It takes 20 votes to win an At-Large Senate seat with 5 offices. It takes 12 to win election for a 9 member House. This will prove most dire on conservatives like Rfayette and independents generally, like Poirot, who fell 5 short and would have instead been 14 votes short of getting into office with 5 seats. More moderate figures like yourself and myself, would do just fine, which I would note according to your argument contributes to the echo chamber consensus.

Frankly Lumine, I think this is a proposal in search of a justification. Unicameralism won't solve the vapidness, hollow debates or "echo-chamber" consensus. You seem to have forgotten the biggest thing here. You served 4, 4.5 Terms in the unicameral Senate. I served 20. There was a hell of a lot of echo chamber consensus, especially all the times the left or center-left had 8 Senators and just mowed us down with only myself and 1 At-Large Senator (for a while Hagrid), giving voice to any opposition. Or in the case of 2009, myself and Jedi being the only votes against single payer healthcare. We barely got them to even consider the fact that they should implement some kind of administrative agency. These problems dominated the unicameral system for years. The only reason you think otherwise is because your experience is from 2014, which occured with a split 5-5 Senate and occured with a highly motivated, partisan and extreme Laborite policy wonk dominating discussion and uniting the opposition. This was rare!

The bulk of the Senates I served in were majority center-left. There were only 5 or 6 Senates with a center-right majority during the entire 6 years and 8 months I served there (which was 40 Senates by the way). And nothing would change that with your system. Because those 6 seats would split 4-2 Labor barring a shift in Lincoln. and the At-Large would split 3-2 Labor or Fed. Assuming they split towards the Feds./You have 5 Federalist and 7 Laborites. If it goes the other way, 8-4 Labor.

Regions are now more left leaning then they were under the old system, because of consolidation, it is hard to break through for a Conservative. And I doubt you are planning to reverse consolidation along with it? Regions almost always elect Moderates. Even when we had 5 Region Maps that was the case, until Labor came dominate a majority of the Regions. Someone like Rfayette could have gotten elected as Senator from the IDS or Mideast in a very close election, but would have a very hard time getting elected even in the Southern Region today.

I am sorry Lumine, but the people who will get screwed six ways to Sunday in your proposal are the Conservatives. The Moderates will be fine and the Left will be laughing right to the bank. And there will be plenty of echo-chamber consensus to go around. The reason we agreed to consolidation, the only reason we agreed to it, was because bicameralism was offered in exchange.



Title: Re: Lumine for President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 25, 2017, 03:13:30 AM
My friends, the fact is as follows. The early months of Bicameralism were a disaster, and I doubt you’ll find many Atlasians to tell you otherwise. Gridlock, lack of clarity and coherence, a very odd role for the Vice-Presidency (which I criticized from the start) followed each other as efficiency was very much not accomplished.

The early months of bicameralism were a disaster because 1) Tmth wrote a rules package that had some flaws in it, including a contra-constitutional provision on the role of the Vice President, Which Clark not really wanting to be Speaker in the first place, copied almost verbatim for the house and 2) You as Vice President didn't assert your constitutional rights and demand it be fixed. You also didn't create Noticeboard threads for the First and Second Congress, which had long been the VP's job pre-reset, dating way before Mar 2013 and VP's starting to administer slots. Such threads would have at least kept track of who passed what and provided some order to the chaos. I found this very disappointing watching from the outside, that no one in Congress or the Administration took any leadership on this matter and yes that includes Leinad as well.

The solutions I came up with drew upon stuff we had done before and completely new ideas and together beginning with my term as VP and the pressure I put on Congress, then as President finally when we got the rules rewritten, reversed the tied and made bicameralism functional from an administrative statement. Something you and a bunch of others said I would fail at and frankly, you were all wrong.  

And yes we disagree up and down on the Vice Presidency, but like it not, direct involvement in the Congressional administration has been and indeed the only instances where we have had consistently active Vice Presidencies. Goldwater, while imperfect was far better at it if for no other reason then he tried, I was there to mentor him and finally, he didn't resist his constitutional role.

From March 2013 - July 2014, and from Mar 2017 until now, the Vice President has been active. It has also worked to changed the dynamics in both cases from selecting VPs based on political calculations to selecting VPs based on who will be active and can run a chamber. Whatever you think about Jambles, he was selected in part because he ran a regional legislature and DemPGH knew from having been VP under that new arrangement, how important it was. Both Labor and Fed tickets have former successful Senate PPTs as their running mates. When I started in March, only Truman, Windjammer and myself knew how to make bicameralism work. Now there are a number of people who could be VP, PPT or Speaker and not let the place fall apart.

No offense Lumine, I like you a lot and agree with you a lot but on Congress and VP we are going to have to agree to disagree. I trust your answer is to just abolish it, like abolishing the House. Frankly, I think it is a mistake jsut to keep cutting offices to chase a moving target. You will cut yourself out of game, but we have always differed on this philosophy even as far back as 2013 when you backed consolidation and I opposed it at that point. My preference was always to bring more people in and get them engaged in the process, as opposed to constantly downsizing to chase the activity glut at any given point.



Title: Re: Lumine for President: A New Dawn for Atlasia (VP Announcement Tomorrow)
Post by: windjammer on September 25, 2017, 03:16:59 AM
Why not reducing the number of representatives instead of abolishing it?


Title: Re: Lumine for President: A New Dawn for Atlasia (VP Announcement Tomorrow)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 25, 2017, 03:24:44 AM
Why not reducing the number of representatives instead of abolishing it?

I actually supported the last attempt at this, but I wasn't a member at the time. :P


Title: Re: Lumine for President: A New Dawn for Atlasia (VP Announcement Tomorrow)
Post by: Lumine on September 25, 2017, 11:16:00 AM
Vice-Presidential Announcement

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Press Release:Former President Lumine announced his running mate today at a rally in Los Angeles, unveiling as well his new campaign banner:

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The task of selecting a Vice-President is never quite an easy one.

Having run two presidential campaigns before, I’ve had the luck of standing besides two very accomplished citizens, just as independent-minded as myself and with whom I had the luxury of a good working personal relationship. Superique, on my first attempt (the first all Latin-American ticket), and SJoyce on the second, him going to serve with distinction and honor as my trusted Vice-President. Now, I am called upon choosing my third running mate, to be at my side during this contentious campaign and hopefully in the White House should we win.

There many criteria to select a running mate, I won’t bore you with an essay on the merits of the office. But I will note, however, that some main principles have guided me in selecting a running mate: Experience, knowing what it means to serve on the Executive and what it means to govern, and to govern well. Closeness, finding it crucial that a President and a Vice-President share a positive relationship which allows both of them to act as a team. Commitment, because a running mate must believe in the case his or her President believes in, even if he may not share every ideal, every political position.

The man I’ve chosen to be my running mate is someone I worked closely during the days of my administration as my Deputy Attorney General, forming part of the most active Justice Department in the past few years (under Zuwo, greatest of all of my cabinet officers). I worked closely with him during the days of Civic Renewal and the attempt to build a different, renewed center-right. He served as Vice-President of this Republic not long ago under President Yankee, bringing with him the experience of a man who knows the office first hand.

Of course, you already know who am I talking about, so I shall let him introduce himself in greater detail.

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you whom I hope will be the next Vice-President of Atlasia, Rpryor!

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Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: rpryor03 on September 25, 2017, 12:33:36 PM
Greetings, fellow Atlasians! Over the past few weeks, I have heard the siren call of Nyman in my heart and head, calling me to return to my adopted hometown. My dear friend Oakvale, a former candidate for President, inspired me and many other Atlasians to fight for what we believe in. Even though he has left the race, Oakvale's message of radical change has not died out. We need to shake up the Atlasian system.

We cannot trust our incumbent President. Not only did she vote for Jill Stein, but she has stated a variety of different viewpoints on issues over the last year. Socialist one day, conservative the next. When Simfan questioned if our President's "political transformation had less to do with ideological principles and more to do with her personal support for former president DFW," he had hit the nail on the head. When he admits that he is unsure if she is a crypto-leftist or a left-leaning libertarian, this should frighten all of us. When Labourite supreme Adam Griffin admits that fhtagn's position as a Federalist is due to getting her feelings hurt, this should scare any actual conservative. When leading statesmen have all agreed that there are doubts to the President's actual record of "conservatism." However, that truly doesn't matter.

Whether it's fhtagn or Harry Truman, we will continue to walk the same simple path we've been on for the last few months. Low activity, boring debates, and general small squabbles. If we're going to continue to walk the safe path, then we need a safe pair of hands like Truman. But we shouldn't walk that safe path, the path that continues the downward spiral we've been in as a nation. It's time to shake things up.

That's why I'm running for Vice President with Lumine. Not only is he a safe pair of hands and a respected statesman, but he has the ideas and disposition for change that none of his opponents have. Not only do we need to take a good look at our constitution, but we need to make sweeping policy changes, both foreign and domestic. We need to stand up for those Atlasians who feel disenfranchised by backroom dealings, IRC cabals, and thoughts of "we've always done it that way." There needs to be an alternative to this one-and-a-half party system we have running. That's why I'm here today. It's time for a new dawn for Atlasia and I'm excited to help lead it in.


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 25, 2017, 12:35:06 PM
Man you are trying to make this difficult for me Lumine. :P


Anyway congrats to Rpryor on his selection. 


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 25, 2017, 12:39:21 PM
My dear friend Oakvale, a former candidate for President, inspired me and many other Atlasians to fight for what we believe in. Even though he has left the race, Oakvale's message of radical change has not died out. We need to shake up the Atlasian system.

We need to stand up for those Atlasians who feel disenfranchised by backroom dealings, IRC cabals...

Is this satire or something? You kind of supported the original IRCabaler here! You have to admit, as someone who was most fervent in nuking Bacon King's confirmation in 2015, as you yourself were, that this is pretty ridiculous to the point of being surreal.


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Mr. Reactionary on September 25, 2017, 12:59:31 PM
When Labourite supreme Adam Griffin admits that fhtagn's position as a Federalist is due to getting her feelings hurt, this should scare any actual conservative.

Wait ... you admit that Adam Griffin is an insufferable lefty hack and then simultaneously expect us to take his butthurt slander of an opposing party leader at face value, when he is clearly trying to split the rightwing vote? Why should any rightwinger listen to him? Hell, I've had him on ignore for years. If anything, the fact that he's emerging from his cave to sow discord suggests he's peeved that the conservatives might elect a (half)queer woman of colour president and discredit the idiotic trope of only the left being tolerant. I mean, its pretty fuking awful to suggest that the only reason a woman can obtain the presidency in atlasia is by being a slut, which is what Adam Griffin did. Adam Griffin's condemnation is practically an endorsement to a conservative.


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 25, 2017, 01:00:19 PM
When Labourite supreme Adam Griffin admits that fhtagn's position as a Federalist is due to getting her feelings hurt, this should scare any actual conservative.

You mean like voting for President Griffin's reelection in a close two way race between two rather ideologically opposed candidates, would?
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=229638.msg4920630#msg4920630


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Mr. Reactionary on September 25, 2017, 01:07:12 PM
When Labourite supreme Adam Griffin admits that fhtagn's position as a Federalist is due to getting her feelings hurt, this should scare any actual conservative.

You mean like voting for President Griffin's reelection in a close two way race between two rather ideologically opposed candidates, would?
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=229638.msg4920630#msg4920630

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Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 25, 2017, 01:07:33 PM
When Labourite supreme Adam Griffin admits that fhtagn's position as a Federalist is due to getting her feelings hurt, this should scare any actual conservative.

Wait ... you admit that Adam Griffin is an insufferable lefty hack and then simultaneously expect us to take his butthurt slander of an opposing party leader at face value, when he is clearly trying to split the rightwing vote? Why should any rightwinger listen to him? Hell, I've had him on ignore for years. If anything, the fact that he's emerging from his cave to sow discord suggests he's peeved that the conservatives might elect a (half)queer woman of colour president and discredit the idiotic trope of only the left being tolerant. I mean, its pretty fuking awful to suggest that the only reason a woman can obtain the presidency in atlasia is by being a slut, which is what Adam Griffin did. Adam Griffin's condemnation is practically an endorsement to a conservative.

The comments by Adam on the previous page were disgusting and I would trust that both Lumine and Rpryor, as the respectable statesmen that they are would thoroughly disavow such statements rather then crediting them with legitimacy and citing them for campaign purposes.


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 25, 2017, 01:21:22 PM
Also I do owe Rpryor an apology for something I said during my "enthusiastic walk" the other night. I said he didn't attend a single NSC meeting while Vice President and my appointed Chair of the NSC.

I was incorrect.

He attended, once!


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Lumine on September 25, 2017, 01:44:23 PM
Well, you can't say this campaign hasn't garnered a lot of attention!

I'll be drafting a speech on national security and our national defence soon, an issue in which I think we need a far more detailed debate, and more action considering the latest questionable actions of the Administration on the war in Korea:

International News

Korean War update September 24th
The Uk, and France have sent troops to go help South Korea defend Seoul to try and dive North Korean troops out of South Korea. Meanwhile Chinese troops have almost reached Pyongyang and look ready for a ground invasion of the city. China is noted to have grown frustrated with Atlasia; after the country is yet to send troops to fight North Korea.

Needless to say, it's disappointing and distressing to see we are not engaged as we should to win this war as early and decisively as possible.

I agree bicameralism was always a freaking travesty.

Indeed!

Why not reducing the number of representatives instead of abolishing it?

Personally I would also support this, but you'd achieve a target of less offices under the unicameral proposal I put forward. Still, cutting the House down by two or four members would be a good idea.


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 25, 2017, 01:47:37 PM
Needless to say, it's disappointing and distressing to see we are not engaged as we should to win this war as early and decisively as possible.


Yes, well we tried to get you into the Senate for a reason. :P Elections do have consequences.


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Mr. Reactionary on September 25, 2017, 01:53:59 PM
Needless to say, it's disappointing and distressing to see we are not engaged as we should to win this war as early and decisively as possible.


Yes, well we tried to get you into the Senate for a reason. :P Elections do have consequences.

You'd think the President has the unilateral powers to declare war on a whim and fund the military by fiat.


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Lumine on September 25, 2017, 01:56:42 PM
Also, for the record, I'm not interested in validating whatever Griffin says or efforts of his own.

I was very pleased to hear from the distance that Atlasia at last had a female President, something which clearly should have happened long ago. The idea of a resolute female President from the center-right seemed excellent at the time in which I rejoined.

That is partly why I wasn't pleased to learn that said Presidency came to be on account of two consecutive Presidential resignations which, combined with other distressing news I've heard, frankly seem very questionable.

I was even less pleased to see this large-scale attempt at portraying someone who was a Laborite until not long ago, and a member of the far-left not long ago, as the future of the Atlasian center-right. I simply fail to see how the President can truly espouse those values, unless a historic damascene conversion happened here.

It's not irresponsible conspiracy theories (at least not to me or others), so I feel free to make those criticisms as a citizen and as a Presidential candidate. It is also why I won't make false excuses about Yankee's criticism of my actions as Vice-President, because I can freely admit that is one of the few moments in which I've been inactive in office (with personal reasons for it, but still a mistake on my behalf).


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Terry the Fat Shark on September 25, 2017, 02:02:20 PM
Lumine, I am sad to say that I must revoke my 2nd preference endorsements due to the vp pick, although I should've known this would've happened given rpryor tries to beg and steal his way into every possible position. If you had a chance of winning before, it is now down to 0.0% flat. Rpryor has been wholly inactive for several months now, I mean he wasn't even active as VP. BTW, what either of you probably don't know is that the position of VP is vastly different than back in January, if you are an inactive VP now you WILL be forced out. The position of VP is basically just as much, if not more work than either the Speaker of the House or the Senate PPT now, you must be heavily involved in congress. I also find it funny that the person who went to Labor because they thought "Wulfric is a disrespected joke and you are stupid for running him for Senate" is trying to lecture us about right wing politics, the same person who voted for Adam in a highly competitive Presidential race (well I guess we have that in common, if Adam were the labor nominee and Rpryor were the right wing nominee, I would vote for Adam!). I don't know what could possibly be passing through your head Lumine, in thinking that Rpryor as VP would serve to make Atlasia an any better place than it is now. Well, maybe this is your way of trying to destroy bicameralism by making it not work, after all a VP Rpryor would quite literally grind congress to a halt and make quite a case for your argument. I guess when you asked me "Isn't the game virtually dead?" a few weeks ago, I should've just said yes instead of arguing for the game, maybe then you wouldn't have made these odd choices since you actually seemed to think the game was "dead" even though we have record membership and activity.


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Terry the Fat Shark on September 25, 2017, 02:08:29 PM
So, I hope you'll stop your "omg fhtagn used to be labor" attacks now:



(oh yes I screenshotted just in case as well)


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 25, 2017, 02:13:01 PM
Lumine, I am sad to say that I must revoke my 2nd preference endorsements due to the vp pick, although I should've known this would've happened given rpryor tries to beg and steal his way into every possible position. If you had a chance of winning before, it is now down to 0.0% flat. Rpryor has been wholly inactive for several months now, I mean he wasn't even active as VP. BTW, what either of you probably don't know is that the position of VP is vastly different than back in January, if you are an inactive VP now you WILL be forced out. The position of VP is basically just as much, if not more work than either the Speaker of the House or the Senate PPT now, you must be heavily involved in congress.

Yes, if Rpryor conducted himself as VP as he did in my administration, he would probably be impeached now.

And Lumine will find it hard to turn back the clock to a time when the VP did nothing in time for that to not be the case.

This is what PiT does on a daily basis:
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=271890.msg5819868#msg5819868

3 House Slots (Senate originated Bills), 3 Senate Slots (House Originated Bills), Any and all confirmation hearings, Tracking all bills passed in both Houses, verifying each bill passing both houses with a signature, before finally presenting them to the President for signature or veto.

This is a daily demanding job. That is why both the Labor and Fed tickets, have current/former PPTs on them. Like it not, this is the constitution and the law as it is now, and disagreement with it, doesn't and will not excuse incompetence until said law is changed.

We aren't turning back the clock to when the VP was inactive and pointless and Lumine pinned for its abolition once Nix pillaged the job of the responsibilities I had given it in 2013. The VP has a purpose now, it is not a place for inactive has-beens to retire to anymore. It is a job for active, Chamber Administrators: Speakers and PPTs and regional legislative Speakers.  


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Adam Griffin on September 25, 2017, 02:21:47 PM
Various and hilarious concern-trollings and mirror-holdings from a well-known crypto-fascist

Do you want PMs and logs to get leaked? Because that's how PMs and logs get leaked.

There's a very concrete paper trail and/or multiple people witness to conversations for everything I've said here - and don't think for a second that I was dumb enough not to consider people yelling "FIRST FEMALE PRESIDENT - SEXISM!" (as if some Constitution Party avatar cares, lol) and would actually say anything that I have said without plenty of actual backup in existence.

If at any point during my heyday there had been some male running for President who had been wooing, flirting with and taking advantage of one bigger fish after another to expedite their political career in Fantasyland, I'd be calling it out then, too - happily! It just never happened! Plenty of relationships have existed over the years here, but not in this context.

But anyway, as the Olds should accurately testify (if they're being honest!), I never go for the jugular with a knife made out of aluminium foil in my hand. I can't help it everybody is always messaging me, sharing content and telling me what's going on here, even after I've clearly walked away from here. Everything can be formally dug up and published in due time if the alternative is to accuse me of being a sexist and/or a liar.


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Terry the Fat Shark on September 25, 2017, 02:25:03 PM
Various and hilarious concern-trollings and mirror-holdings from a well-known crypto-fascist

Do you want PMs and logs to get leaked? Because that's how PMs and logs get leaked.

There's a very concrete paper trail and/or multiple people witness to conversations for everything I've said here - and don't think for a second that I was dumb enough not to consider people yelling "FIRST FEMALE PRESIDENT - SEXISM!" (as if some Constitution Party avatar cares, lol) and would actually say anything that I have said without plenty of actual backup in existence.

If at any point during my heyday there had been some male running for President who had been wooing, flirting with and taking advantage of one bigger fish after another to expedite their political career in Fantasyland, I'd be calling it out then, too - happily! It just never happened! Plenty of relationships have existed over the years here, but not in this context.

But anyway, as the Olds should accurately testify (if they're being honest!), I never go for the jugular with a knife made out of aluminium foil in my hand. I can't help it everybody is always messaging me, sharing content and telling me what's going on here, even after I've clearly walked away from here. Everything can be formally dug up and published in due time if the alternative is to accuse me of being a sexist and/or a liar.
I have plenty of logs and such too, wanna dance?


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Adam Griffin on September 25, 2017, 02:25:06 PM
Oh, and to those trying to give poor innocent rpryor a hard time for voting for me in October 2016, it's important to remember that I won like one-third (or more?) of the conservative vote in that election. It was an absolute barnstorming, shit-slamming, domination election among a 60% conservative electorate.

And the Federalists lost in large part because they ran a generic candidate who nobody really asked for and who was far too much of an ideological wishy-washy to keep the party in check. Live and learn!


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Adam Griffin on September 25, 2017, 02:25:55 PM

I've never had to pretend to be Nice Guy FF :) :) to get anywhere in this game. I wonder whose reputation would take more of a hit? I've also already done everything I wanted so...


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Terry the Fat Shark on September 25, 2017, 02:27:50 PM

I've never had to pretend to be Nice Guy FF :) :) to get anywhere in this game. I wonder whose reputation would take more of a hit? I've also already done everything I wanted so...
pls, everyone knows I just get things done, I don't have to play Nice Guy FF :) :) either, people see me as a #shadypartyboss these days, just like they see you the same way, though I don't think I've ever publicly backstabbed anyone, wanna be the first? I've been in pretty much every position, hit me.


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Terry the Fat Shark on September 25, 2017, 02:29:42 PM
Just to make sure it doesn't get buried in page 2.....

So, I hope you'll stop your "omg fhtagn used to be labor" attacks now:



(oh yes I screenshotted just in case as well)
Lumine, I am sad to say that I must revoke my 2nd preference endorsements due to the vp pick, although I should've known this would've happened given rpryor tries to beg and steal his way into every possible position. If you had a chance of winning before, it is now down to 0.0% flat. Rpryor has been wholly inactive for several months now, I mean he wasn't even active as VP. BTW, what either of you probably don't know is that the position of VP is vastly different than back in January, if you are an inactive VP now you WILL be forced out. The position of VP is basically just as much, if not more work than either the Speaker of the House or the Senate PPT now, you must be heavily involved in congress. I also find it funny that the person who went to Labor because they thought "Wulfric is a disrespected joke and you are stupid for running him for Senate" is trying to lecture us about right wing politics, the same person who voted for Adam in a highly competitive Presidential race (well I guess we have that in common, if Adam were the labor nominee and Rpryor were the right wing nominee, I would vote for Adam!). I don't know what could possibly be passing through your head Lumine, in thinking that Rpryor as VP would serve to make Atlasia an any better place than it is now. Well, maybe this is your way of trying to destroy bicameralism by making it not work, after all a VP Rpryor would quite literally grind congress to a halt and make quite a case for your argument. I guess when you asked me "Isn't the game virtually dead?" a few weeks ago, I should've just said yes instead of arguing for the game, maybe then you wouldn't have made these odd choices since you actually seemed to think the game was "dead" even though we have record membership and activity.


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Adam Griffin on September 25, 2017, 02:33:12 PM

I've never had to pretend to be Nice Guy FF :) :) to get anywhere in this game. I wonder whose reputation would take more of a hit? I've also already done everything I wanted so...
pls, everyone knows I just get things done, I don't have to play Nice Guy FF :) :) either, people see me as a #shadypartyboss these days, just like they see you the same way, though I don't think I've ever publicly backstabbed anyone, wanna be the first? I've been in pretty much every position, hit me.

But you had to pretend to be one to get there, which is so sad and most of the reason I have issues with you and a handful of others - for building your career on a bed of lies and opportunism (the easy way out)!

But I'm sorry you thought I was addressing you - typo on my part (should've said Nice Girl FF - there goes my sexism again!).


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Terry the Fat Shark on September 25, 2017, 02:35:10 PM

I've never had to pretend to be Nice Guy FF :) :) to get anywhere in this game. I wonder whose reputation would take more of a hit? I've also already done everything I wanted so...
pls, everyone knows I just get things done, I don't have to play Nice Guy FF :) :) either, people see me as a #shadypartyboss these days, just like they see you the same way, though I don't think I've ever publicly backstabbed anyone, wanna be the first? I've been in pretty much every position, hit me.

But you had to pretend to be one to get there, which is so sad and most of the reason I have issues with you and a handful of others - for building your career on a bed of lies and opportunism (the easy way out)!

But I'm sorry you thought I was addressing you - typo on my part (should've said Nice Girl FF - there goes my sexism again!).
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Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Adam Griffin on September 25, 2017, 02:38:31 PM

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Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: rpryor03 on September 25, 2017, 02:39:49 PM
Yankee opposes me having voted for Adam Griffin, yet supports a President who voted for NeverAgain in February (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=259069.msg5530680#msg5530680)? That's what I call:

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Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Terry the Fat Shark on September 25, 2017, 02:40:50 PM
Yankee opposes me having voted for Adam Griffin, yet supports a President who voted for NeverAgain in February (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=259069.msg5530680#msg5530680)? That's what I call:

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That's the best ya got? Amateur hour is over,  RpryorAdamlover


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: fhtagn on September 25, 2017, 02:41:26 PM
(should've said Nice Girl FF - there goes my sexism again!).

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Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Adam Griffin on September 25, 2017, 02:42:06 PM
Yankee opposes me having voted for Adam Griffin, yet supports a President who voted for NeverAgain in February (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=259069.msg5530680#msg5530680)? That's what I call:

OMFG I lost that for the longest, I am so glad people still have it saved!


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Adam Griffin on September 25, 2017, 02:43:04 PM

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Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Terry the Fat Shark on September 25, 2017, 02:43:59 PM
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Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Adam Griffin on September 25, 2017, 02:45:22 PM

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Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Terry the Fat Shark on September 25, 2017, 02:47:37 PM
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Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Adam Griffin on September 25, 2017, 02:49:22 PM

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Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 25, 2017, 02:52:39 PM
Oh, and to those trying to give poor innocent rpryor a hard time for voting for me in October 2016, it's important to remember that I won like one-third (or more?) of the conservative vote in that election. It was an absolute barnstorming, shit-slamming, domination election among a 60% conservative electorate.

And the Federalists lost in large part because they ran a generic candidate who nobody really asked for and who was far too much of an ideological wishy-washy to keep the party in check. Live and learn!

You didn't run for President in October 2016. Blair and I did!

You are confusing October 2015 which I didn't cite, with February 2016, which I did. and confusing Cris with Leinad.

You only beat Leinad by like 5 votes in that February 2016, the right was largely unified. I think the dementia is kicking in there old man. 


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Lumine on September 25, 2017, 02:52:58 PM
I don't suppose I could ask you take this outside this campaign thread?


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 25, 2017, 02:56:25 PM
Yankee opposes me having voted for Adam Griffin, yet supports a President who voted for NeverAgain in February (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=259069.msg5530680#msg5530680)? That's what I call:

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I cannot see the picture, I get something about third party hosting disabled on Photobucket. What is this what even is this? Can I fix this error somehow? I have seen it a lot.


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Adam Griffin on September 25, 2017, 03:04:14 PM
Oh, and to those trying to give poor innocent rpryor a hard time for voting for me in October 2016, it's important to remember that I won like one-third (or more?) of the conservative vote in that election. It was an absolute barnstorming, shit-slamming, domination election among a 60% conservative electorate.

And the Federalists lost in large part because they ran a generic candidate who nobody really asked for and who was far too much of an ideological wishy-washy to keep the party in check. Live and learn!

You didn't run for President in October 2016. Blair and I did!

You are confusing October 2015 which I didn't cite, with February 2016, which I did. and confusing Cris with Leinad.

You only beat Leinad by like 5 votes in that February 2016, the right was largely unified. I think the dementia is kicking in there old man.  

Oh dear lord Yankee are you really trying to make your point based on a typo?

No, I was talking about Cris and October 20165 - sorry to have triggered you! I honestly thought I lost rpryor's vote in February 2016 but I must have been thinking of somebody else.  

But now that you mention it, I beat Leinad in February 2016 by 5 - yes - but the electorate was closer to 65% conservative then. Truly amazing - if not more than October 2015! I fought off primary challenges and nobody - nobody - thought I was going to win re-election.

Maybe I should go back through the rolls and see how many other Federalists and conservatives should be permanently disqualified from running from office based on their votes in October 2015 and February 2016 then!


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Lumine on September 25, 2017, 03:34:22 PM
A Strong Defense Policy

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Press Release: Former President Lumine spoke today about his plans for defense policy, noting the need to achieve a quick end to the War in Korea and raise the defense budget:

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Shocking, I know, that I wish to discuss defense policy in Atlasia.

I have taken a keen interest in foreign affairs on this nation for more than three years now, and defense has always been a policy area which truly garners my attention. I’ve often believed that defense matters have gone with less attention than they should have, or subject to an often dominant belief that we can sacrifice certain parts of our defense policy for the sake of other objectives, or even, for the sake of funding. One of the most contentious parts of passing a budget back when I was President was my belief that the defense budget ought to be raised, particularly because subsequent years of Atlasia had seen its decline into a point which seemed rather unrealistic.

We are in a newer, different Atlasia, of course, so harkening back to the past is not the purpose of this speech. I want to look towards the future of defense policy on two different areas: an immediate one, which is the War on Korea and the necessity of acting in a decisive matter to bring this conflict to a victorious end, and a long-term one, which is how I believe we should conduct this policy and its funding in a manner which is focused on the principle of a strong, robust national defense for our country, allows us to come to the defense of our allies against aggression, and is also fiscally responsible in terms that significant funding must be conducted in a fair manner.

Let us go to the immediate. We are in the middle of a diplomatic and strategic nightmare on account of the catastrophic decision first to ignore the North Korea problem, and then to seek to solve it through a badly-planned first strike which showcased what happens when one does not properly account for the complexities of defense policy, our capabilities, and that of the enemy. Alas, we’re placed in a situation in which we are at war with North Korea, and not only are our allies in South Korea and Japan under permanent attack, our own military installations such as our base in Guam have come under enemy fire to the loss of many brave servicemen.

Our immediate concern, therefore, is that this war has to be won decisively and early, lest it turn into a war of attrition as a surviving North Korean leadership stretch the fight for as long as they can (think an invasion of Japan in 1945 as a worst-case scenario). The deal with China sadly restricts us to 30,000 men, which ought to be deployed as soon as humanly possible to the Korean theater in preparation for an offensive in collaboration and coordination with the armies of our allies. Even though our ground troops are sadly limited to the benefit of China, as Commander in Chief I would make full use of our naval and air forces as a key element to victory. While negotiations with Congress are naturally a priority in the long term, the War Powers Act of 1973 does allow for room to maneuver on deployment. This war must be won.

The aftermath of the war will see us facing a dilemma on how to pursue defense policy in the future. After all, the manner in which we engage in conflicts has been placed into question, and the restrictive deal with China not only dramatically diminishes our nuclear arsenal, it forces us to stay out of conflicts in Asia in the future to the detriment of our allies and our strategic options. Truly a nightmare we’ve been forced into, although I have no issue in recognizing the relief of having averted World War Three.

What I suggest is the following:

First, solving the Constitutional debate over war powers with a War Power Amendment to the Constitution and associated legislation to support it. We must establish a clearer mechanism to declare war or take aggressive action, be clearer on the limits of Executive and Legislative power, and prevent a strike and war of this nature from erupting again to the detriment of the nation.

Second, we must both raise and audit the defense budget. It seems we can talk too easily about cutting defense spending, without realizing how much this can hurt our efforts to keep our military forces updated or our soldiers themselves. At the same time, it would be unrealistic to assert that all of our defense budget is spent in the right way, as wasteful spending occurs in Nyman to levels which perhaps are higher than we suspect. I believe we need to raise the defense budget to be better prepared for future conflicts and maintain an edge against the ascendant China and Russia, while at the same time auditing our current budget and directing wasteful spending to invest in our soldiers and veterans through greater benefits, better equipment and living conditions, and so on.

Third, we must reconsider the very nature of our armed forces and the changing context of military conflicts over the past two decades. The fact is that we need to invest more and plan better on cyber-warfare, counterintelligence efforts, aerial and drone development and the technologies of the future that might come to redefine warfare. We should not be a nation which reacts to what happens around her, we ought to be not only prepared, but leading the field in development to retain the edge that keeps us safe. That is why I support the continued existence of organizations like NATO, but I believe we must diversify our options by either enlarging NATO even further or forming associated defense organizations, such as an Asian or Latin-American version, for the sake of collective security.

Fourth, we must be sure of the conflicts we will engage in. As I’ve made it clear, a Lumine Administration would consider itself on a more hawkish side of the spectrum, without taking an interventionist or neoconservative line. That is why I will seek to win the War in Korea decisively, continue to take the fight to extremism in the form of groups like ISIS in the Middle East (within reason, and not with a large deployment of ground troops), and commit to defending our allies from any form of Russian or Chinese aggression, particularly as the events of the past few weeks may have contributed to embolden then.

That, I think, is a good summary of the defense policy goals we would pursue if elected. Some of them ideas attempted in the past, yes, but still very much relevant (if not more relevant) to our current international and domestic context. If you want a ticket strong on defense, look no further!


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Adam Griffin on September 25, 2017, 04:59:23 PM
    Nobody is suggesting that voting for you should disqualify a Federalist from running for office. Now if they want to run as being more-conservative-than-thou after having done so, of course they are going to be called out for it.

But I'm pretty sure that is exactly what just happened above?

Surely you of all people can remember that the elections to which Old Man Yankee et al are referring were largely depolarized affairs, centered around saving this game from the destructive forces (including excessive regionalism!) that had plagued it for too long. Many people - including one-third of conservatives in October 2015 - voted for me because they understood that I was the best choice to ensure the radical forces were defeated and that game reform was successfully implemented - and they were right.

What's the excuse now?


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President (Defense Policy)
Post by: Lumine on September 25, 2017, 05:04:03 PM
Could people please stop hijacking this particular thread?


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President (Defense Policy)
Post by: Terry the Fat Shark on September 25, 2017, 05:05:23 PM
You'd be better off locking and starting a new thread, then locking that one quickly


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President (Defense Policy)
Post by: Lumine on September 25, 2017, 05:07:56 PM
What the hell, I shall do so.


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President: A New Dawn for Atlasia
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on September 25, 2017, 05:11:30 PM
    Nobody is suggesting that voting for you should disqualify a Federalist from running for office. Now if they want to run as being more-conservative-than-thou after having done so, of course they are going to be called out for it.

But I'm pretty sure that is exactly what just happened above?

Surely you of all people can remember that the elections to which Old Man Yankee et al are referring were largely depolarized affairs, centered around saving this game from the destructive forces (including excessive regionalism!) that had plagued it for too long. Many people - including one-third of conservatives in October 2015 - voted for me because they understood that I was the best choice to ensure the radical forces were defeated and that game reform was successfully implemented - and they were right.

What's the excuse now?

     And two-thirds of conservatives voted against you because we didn't want a Labor President. For one of that one-third to be upset over the party nominating a Presidential candidate who does not have a sterling conservative record going back to the dawn of time is stunningly tone-deaf to those of us who did care about contesting the Presidency.


Title: Re: Lumine/Rpryor for President/Vice-President (Defense Policy)
Post by: Adam Griffin on September 25, 2017, 05:15:02 PM
     Nobody is suggesting that voting for you should disqualify a Federalist from running for office. Now if they want to run as being more-conservative-than-thou after having done so, of course they are going to be called out for it.

But I'm pretty sure that is exactly what just happened above?

Surely you of all people can remember that the elections to which Old Man Yankee et al are referring were largely depolarized affairs, centered around saving this game from the destructive forces (including excessive regionalism!) that had plagued it for too long. Many people - including one-third of conservatives in October 2015 - voted for me because they understood that I was the best choice to ensure the radical forces were defeated and that game reform was successfully implemented - and they were right.

What's the excuse now?

     And two-thirds of conservatives voted against you because we didn't want a Labor President. For one of that one-third to be upset over the party nominating a Presidential candidate who does not have a sterling conservative record going back to the dawn of time is stunningly tone-deaf to those of us who did care about contesting the Presidency.

Well, if y'all get your way, you're basically about to elect another one - with an endorsement to boot!