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—Ninni Laaksonen, former Miss Finland. “Trump stood right next to me and suddenly he squeezed my butt” in July 2006.

—Jessica Drake. Said Trump grabbed and kissed her without consent, then offered her 10K for sex in 2006.

—Karena Virginia. Says she was groped by Trump at the U.S. Open in 1998.

—Cathy Heller. Says Trump grabbed her and attempted to kiss her at Mar-a-lago in 1997.

—Summer Zervos. Apprentice contestant says Trump started kissing her and grabbing her breasts, began "thrusting his genitals." 2007.

—Kristin Anderson. Said Trump reached under her skirt and grabbed her vagina through her underwear in the early 1990s.

—Jessica Leeds. Said Trump lifted up the armrest, grabbed her breasts and reached his hand up her skirt in the early 1980s.

—Rachel Crooks. Says she was assaulted by Trump in an elevator in Trump Tower in 2005.

—Mindy McGillivray. Says Trump groped her while she was attending a concert at Mar-a-lago in 2003.

—Natasha Stoynoff. Says Trump pushed her against a wall and jammed his tongue down her throat at Mar-a-lago in 2005.

—Jennifer Murphy. Apprentice contestant says Trump kissed her on the lips after a job interview in 2005.

—Cassandra Searles. Says Trump grabbed her ass and invited her to his hotel room in 2013.

—Temple Taggart McDowell. Former Miss Utah says Trump kissed her directly on the lips the first time she met him in 1997.

—Jill Harth. Says Trump repeatedly sexually harassed her and groped her underneath a table in 1993.

—“Jane Doe” or Katie J. In June, a California woman — “Jane Doe” ― filed a lawsuit alleging that Trump raped her at a party when she was 13 years old. Video testimony from Katie J, who accuses Trump of raping her at 13 (https://mobile.twitter.com/BanditRandom/status/894799540485619712). 1994

—Ivana Trump. In a 1992 deposition during their divorce, Trump’s first wife described an incident in which she says her then-husband forced her to have sex with him.

—“Maria,” 12 - Raped by Trump in third encounter with Jane Doe in 1994. (https://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/316341058/Donald-Trump-Jeffrey-Epstein-Rape-Lawsuit-and-Affidavits)

Don't waste your breath.  Trump supporters don't care.

Such a silly thread.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

That's for the courts to decide if there was a trial. But personally, I believe the accusers until there is reason not to, in the same way I believe the accusations against Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, and Woody Allen.

If nobody cared then, they definitely don't now.

Lol@thisthread.  

And Bill O'Reilly and Roger Ailes.

Them too. Lots of powerful men who repeatedly abuse that power. And these are only the famous ones whose cases get exposure.

It's not.  Donald Trump is a psychopath which means that the discussions about him will tend to be extreme to reflect his behavior.

It ain't crazy if its true and due process in one thing. Figuring out that someone probably did something is another.

He is, after all, an admitted serial sexual assaulter/harasser. 

If, indeed, Trump had sex with a 12 year old or a 13 year old, he should be removed from office, and criminally charged.  If there's really something to this, then, yes, let's bring on the investigation.  I'm all for this.  Let's go the Law Enforcement route.

If any of this were true, I wouldn't be shocked.  But if it was all stuff and nonsense, I wouldn't be shocked, either.  I believe Law Enforcement.  I don't believe civil attorneys and spokepersons.

Uh, didn't you vote for Trump? Shouldn't you be shocked if it turns out that someone you voted for raped a prepubescent? Am I missing something here?

He just said if it was true that he should be criminally charged.. Can you not read?

My point is that he should be shocked if it turns out that someone he voted to be President is a child rapist. Can you not read?

He just said "If any of this were true, I wouldn't be shocked" and "But if it was all stuff and nonsense, I wouldn't be shocked, either" Right there. That was what he said word for word. So obviously I can read.. Can you read is the question.

I am at a complete loss as to how I can explain this to you any better. The point I am trying to make here is that the possibility of somebody you voted for raping kids should be shocking. Fuzzy Bear has clearly stated that for him, it is not. Do I need to make diagrams or something?

They would be welcome.

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Not someone who usually agrees with AL Indy but I share his confusion at whatever point your trying to get across here.

Are you dense?

Desperation for political power prevents his supporters from even seeing how perverted he is.

I would find the act shocking, and I would expect removal from office and criminal punishment if the allegations were proven true.  But I wouldn't be shocked to learn something like this were true.  After Bill Clinton, Anthony Weiner, Mel Reynolds, Buz Lukens, Gerry Studds, Bob Packwood, Eliot Spitzer, and Dan Crane, I don't put anything past anyone.  That's the sad state of our world today.

Piss off.

Yeah, technically all people accused of crime are "innocent until proven guilty". But polling has indicated that public opinion on this issue, more so than any other crime, overwhelmingly sympathizes with the accusers rather than the accused. Polling about Cosby has consistently shown that only about 1 in 10 people believe he is innocent while more than half say guilty.

When people come to the defense of someone accused of a crime, it's usually for something like smoking marijuana or protesting. When it comes to murder, it's usually "you've got the wrong guy" or "it was an accident/self-defense". It's very hard to frame someone for sexual assault/harassment, and accidental/self-defense sexual assault/harassment is impossible.

-The right are all like "stop saying 'But Trump!'; the problem here is Weinstein".
-The left and feminists say "we denounced Weinstein, you made Trump president!" or "you're just using this to attack liberals."
-The alt-right are hating on Weinstein because he's Jewish or the MRA-types are saying "the left turned their backs on Harvey in the name of feminism, the right stood with our men against the Feminazis"

Yeah?

Their attacker publicly confessed.

If only Clinton had won because a Clinton would never... Oh wait, never mind.

And Bill Clinton, and Ed Murray, and Anthony Wiener, and Lena Dunham

DI, this why pur country is in decline. People are confused when they insinuate a lack of surprise when their vocal choices for office turn out to have needed to be in prison this whole time.

The statute of limitations would be up, no?

Presumption of innocence only applies to the judge and (if applicable) the jury. Ordinary citizens are free to make their own conclusions based on whatever is evidence available to them, without being constrained by this legal presumption.

When the president does it, that means that it is not illegal.

Weinstein is certainly not alone in being a serial sexual assaulter. President Trump almost certainly can be described as such as well, along with former President Bill Clinton. Quite a lot of men assume that their power provides them with the privilege of doing whatever they want to women and getting away with it, largely because those women are afraid of what may happen if they come out against them.

Trump cultists in here keep saying "innocent until proven guilty," and that is definitely true.  Who knows if all of these allegations are real?  But each of them deserve attention and each deserve investigation.  Especially the allegations that he raped underaged girls, and IMO, if you don't support investigating those particular allegations (regardless of the others) then there is something morally wrong with you.

But why do you all call Bill Clinton a rapist but not Trump?  Why do you label him a sexual predator but not Trump?  It can't be because he had consensual relations with another woman.  Because Trump claimed he did the exact same thing; and more, Trump's statements objectify women; to him, in his own words, women are things, not people.  Bill got a blowjob in the Oval Office.

Both things are history; both are fact.  So why is Bill so often labeled by you guys as the pervert and sexual predator, but Trump is a-okay despite his recorded statements to the contrary?

(I know, you'll all have some bs argument defending your stance.  It won't hold up, but that's okay, because you don't need it to.  Nothing will change your mind about the man, even child rape allegations.)

There are no SOL for being a child molester.

Thankfully Trump doesn't need to hire Betsy Wright to run his Bimbo Eruption Office like wet Willy did.

Honest question:

What is your opinion of his accusers, specifically those who were children at the time of their alleged assault?

Do you automatically write them off?  Do you think their voices deserve to be heard and their claims investigated? Are they just attention seekers?

Furthermore, how is your opinion of them similar or different from Michael Jackson’s accusers? Bill Cosby’s? Bill Clinton’s?

I think if there was fire, we would have seen fire, not just smoke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4lOWAonOP0

And that is not an answer to my question at all.

That's a smokescreen of an answer.  It's a fake answer.  It's avoiding the question at hand.  It's a weak response.

If these accusations were against Obama, what would your thoughts be?  I'm fairly certain we all know the answer to that.

From what I can find, that's not true in New York. Ends when the minor who was molested reaches age 23.

Oh I think my answer was fine.  Cosby's on trial.  Clinton's history is written.  These don't seem to have gotten past the accusation stage of a high profile target.  They could have all lawyered up and had their voices heard, filed criminal charges, filed dozens of lawsuits........no fire.

You exemplify everything wrong and disgusting about our country.

They did.

Either you didn't bold far enough in your quote back or you just quoted the smoke.

Just curious, but would you hire someone who has been accused of child rape to babysit your child? Before any trial, before any conviction, before any evidence is brought forth...just the accusation...would you hire that person to be alone with your kid?

Sorry dude. It's pretty obvious from your construction that they "could have" done something (which they did do) that you were including the bolded part in the "fire" and simply were not aware it had occurred.

Oh I admit I didn't know they lawyered up.  But I need more than that to compare him to Clinton or Cosby like the other guy was babbling on about.

Give me a list of hard evidence that makes the accusations against Bill Clinton worse than those made against Trump.

LOL, Clinton has far fewer accusers, and they accuse him of less and with a much lower probability of being true.

Some people who cannot handle defeat concocted this idea that they have the power to overthrow the electorate of this nation. So they are belching fake news towards that purpose.

If/when it ever comes out that Trump did rape a child, his weaboo fanbase would only cheer louder for him.

Trump's case is not quite same as Bill's, as Bill's exposure was during his term. He has already been humiliated and had his reputation tarnished forever. Reviving his perverted history is beating a dead horse, and nothing more than a desperate attempt by the right to achieve false equivalency.

Trump was elected in spite of public knowledge.

My problem isn't about which party is the more moral one, but that everyone of these people should get to have a voice without being threatened. Of course, the right's support for free speech took a huge hit when they, too, also resorted to threats against these people making allegations.

Back in the day Slick Bill argued that the elected US President was immune to this type of litigation. How times change!

Of course, Paula Jones accused Slick of summoning her to his hotel room at which point he removed his trousers. That bit of course is a Weinstein special. I wonder who taught who.

I guess so.

Liberals: Donald Trump sucks!

Conservatives: Bill Clinton sucks!

How about neither one of them gets to be president?

Possibly not.  Depends on the state and the age of the victim.