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Title: Campaigning in Hawaii
Post by: Ξ on October 18, 2017, 11:45:05 pm
Campaigning in Hawaii is quite easy for a gubernatorial candidate (or for another statewide office).
But what about incumbent congressmen? Or presidential caucus candidates? Or presidential nominees (if Hawaii were a swing state)?
Well, the last case is quite obsolete for Hawaii, as it is as blue as the ocean, which embraces the state.
But if Hawaii had, let's say, 10 electoral votes and if it were at least Minnesota-blue, would any presidential nominees fly there in order to campaign?
And what what about U.S. congressmen? They actually have only to campaign for their respective primaries. But how do they do this? And what if Hawaii were a swing state? Their challengers would have a leg-up on the incumbent.

Has a presidential nominee or a caucus candidate ever canvassed in Hawaii? I think even Obama visited "all 57 states" but neither Hawaii nor Alaska. LOL


Title: Re: Campaigning in Hawaii
Post by: MB on November 16, 2017, 09:41:06 pm
Nixon visited every state during his 1960 campaign, this is often seen as contributing to his loss since he didn't focus enough on the swing states.


Title: Re: Campaigning in Hawaii
Post by: Ξ on November 17, 2017, 04:31:17 am
Nixon visited every state during his 1960 campaign, this is often seen as contributing to his loss since he didn't focus enough on the swing states.

That must have been even more expensive back then. how much does it cost to travel and canvass there with the whole campaign crew?


Title: Re: Campaigning in Hawaii
Post by: Nichlemn on November 17, 2017, 09:51:23 pm
Obama returned to Hawaii to be with his dying grandmother during the 2008 campaign, though this wasn't a campaign event.


Title: Re: Campaigning in Hawaii
Post by: Kamala on November 26, 2017, 03:08:28 pm
Cheney thought Hawai’i was winnable for Bush. (http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Nov/01/ln/ln07p.html)


Title: Re: Campaigning in Hawaii
Post by: Hydera on November 26, 2017, 06:06:06 pm
Cheney thought Hawai’i was winnable for Bush. (http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Nov/01/ln/ln07p.html)

http://archives.starbulletin.com/2004/10/24/news/index2.html

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Oct/23/ln/ln05p.html

Polls in hawaii showed that the two was going to be very close. Best guess on what happened was that in both of these polls there were high single percentage of undecideds that broke for kerry. Plus being an telephone poll at the time it missed lots of Kerry voters online. Plus Hawaii being 'traditionally democratic' had a large pool of base democrats that turned out on election day and allowed Kerry to win by a comfortable but embarrassing margin of high single digits considering the political history.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004//pages/results/states/HI/P/00/epolls.0.html


Title: Re: Campaigning in Hawaii
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 26, 2017, 11:59:31 pm
Campaigning in Hawaii is quite easy for a gubernatorial candidate (or for another statewide office).
But what about incumbent congressmen? Or presidential caucus candidates? Or presidential nominees (if Hawaii were a swing state)?
Well, the last case is quite obsolete for Hawaii, as it is as blue as the ocean, which embraces the state.
But if Hawaii had, let's say, 10 electoral votes and if it were at least Minnesota-blue, would any presidential nominees fly there in order to campaign?

It's too far away if you don't live near a major air hub.  pbrower tried to warn us about this (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=104956.msg2227105#msg2227105).


Title: Re: Campaigning in Hawaii
Post by: Ξ on November 29, 2017, 01:47:36 am
Campaigning in Hawaii is quite easy for a gubernatorial candidate (or for another statewide office).
But what about incumbent congressmen? Or presidential caucus candidates? Or presidential nominees (if Hawaii were a swing state)?
Well, the last case is quite obsolete for Hawaii, as it is as blue as the ocean, which embraces the state.
But if Hawaii had, let's say, 10 electoral votes and if it were at least Minnesota-blue, would any presidential nominees fly there in order to campaign?

It's too far away if you don't live near a major air hub.  pbrower tried to warn us about this (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=104956.msg2227105#msg2227105).

And how do the congressmen from Hawaii canvass in their home state? Do they get extra allowance?


Title: Re: Campaigning in Hawaii
Post by: Ξ on April 06, 2018, 02:30:45 am
How does Colleen Hanabusa campaign in Hawaii?
How often is she flying to her home state?
I guess once she wins the nomination for governor in August, she's gonna stay in Hawaii?


Title: Re: Campaigning in Hawaii
Post by: NoobMaster69 on July 12, 2018, 11:35:44 am
How does Colleen Hanabusa campaign in Hawaii?
How often is she flying to her home state?
I guess once she wins the nomination for governor in August, she's gonna stay in Hawaii?

Well, the primary is right around the time they leave Washington for a month. She'd have a free month to campaign but I assume she'll be spending more time in HI bc they don't really have plans for the rest of the year.


Title: Re: Campaigning in Hawaii
Post by: Clarktucky on May 22, 2019, 01:03:54 am
This is very interesting


Title: Re: Campaigning in Hawaii
Post by: Del Tachi on May 23, 2019, 11:08:32 am
Campaigning in Hawaii is quite easy for a gubernatorial candidate (or for another statewide office).
But what about incumbent congressmen? Or presidential caucus candidates? Or presidential nominees (if Hawaii were a swing state)?
Well, the last case is quite obsolete for Hawaii, as it is as blue as the ocean, which embraces the state.
But if Hawaii had, let's say, 10 electoral votes and if it were at least Minnesota-blue, would any presidential nominees fly there in order to campaign?

It's too far away if you don't live near a major air hub.  pbrower tried to warn us about this (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=104956.msg2227105#msg2227105).

And how do the congressmen from Hawaii canvass in their home state? Do they get extra allowance?

No.  I have a friend who worked as a scheduler/executive assistant for a Hawaiian congressman.  The member traveled to his district less frequently than other members of Congress, and Hawaiian congressmen rely much more heavily on their district staff than most others. 


Title: Re: Campaigning in Hawaii
Post by: KYWildman on May 24, 2019, 12:06:56 am
It's a waste of time for presidential candidates to campaign here, especially Republicans.

Sorry but I gotta take the time here to quibble not with this statement, which I agree with,  rather your signature:

Quote
Radicals aren't people with bad ideas, they're just bad people.

See this is interesting to me because your signature is comprised of three rather radical statements — radical in the sense that they are pretty far outside mainstream thought. This would imply that you yourself are to at least some extent a radical, and therefore are by your own logic a “bad person.”

Now I’m not saying I think you are a bad person because you are a radical (as someone who is not a radical, nor a fascist despite being liberal contrary to one of your other radical statements, I don’t see things or people as that black-and-white and find the statement to be logically dubious at best), but if we are to follow what you say in your own radical statement you must think of yourself as a bad person. That would suggest you are depressed and/or have low self-esteem. Please know that you are not alone and help is available to you if you seek it. If you ARE in fact mentally ill, embracing yourself and seeking help would seem to be the best course of action rather than such radical, fascist ideas as “erasing” you for your illness.


Title: Re: Campaigning in Hawaii
Post by: UWS on June 23, 2019, 12:38:46 pm
Cheney thought Hawai’i was winnable for Bush. (http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Nov/01/ln/ln07p.html)

http://archives.starbulletin.com/2004/10/24/news/index2.html

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Oct/23/ln/ln05p.html

Polls in hawaii showed that the two was going to be very close. Best guess on what happened was that in both of these polls there were high single percentage of undecideds that broke for kerry. Plus being an telephone poll at the time it missed lots of Kerry voters online. Plus Hawaii being 'traditionally democratic' had a large pool of base democrats that turned out on election day and allowed Kerry to win by a comfortable but embarrassing margin of high single digits considering the political history.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004//pages/results/states/HI/P/00/epolls.0.html

Well I think HI was winnable for Bush in 2004 but of course it would have been close. As we see in the CNN exit poll, 47 % of Hawaians approved Bush's decision to go to war in Iraq and Bush had a 49 % approval rating there.


Title: Re: Campaigning in Hawaii
Post by: Cory Booker on June 24, 2019, 08:47:36 am
I wonder if Cruz, since he is latino, would campaign in PR, should it become a state in 2024, should Trump lose, Cruz will be the nominee


Title: Re: Campaigning in Hawaii
Post by: Mr. Morden on July 04, 2019, 05:05:14 pm
Has a presidential nominee or a caucus candidate ever canvassed in Hawaii? I think even Obama visited "all 57 states" but neither Hawaii nor Alaska. LOL

Gingrich campaigned there in 2011, but it was a thinly veiled excuse to have his campaign pay for a wedding anniversary trip with his wife:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/08/gingrich-heads-hawaii-place-where-he-wants-retire/354241/