Talk Elections

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Up to date.

Spreadsheet is now fully up to date. Maps will not be updated for at least another ~3 hours because I have class.

In the presidential election, fhtagn has a narrow majority, with 17 votes to Truman's 10, Lumine's 4, and LLR's 2. On the final ballot, fhtagn leads by a larger margin (20 to 11).

The House vote is slightly closer, with 17 votes for federalist candidates, 13 for labor, 1 for independents, and 1 write-in. The quota (using the droop method) is 4.

The Senate race is currently a landslide for Siren. The Lincoln gubernatorial race is also a landslide for lok (so far).

R2D2 leads the senate race 5-2.

Maps are (mostly) updated!

Only on Atlas would the major center-left party be leading in Alaska and trailing in California. :P

Interestingly, California has voted Federalist in every presidential election since the reset, but has voted Labor in the December 2016, February 2017 and August 2017 house elections.

I doubt it holds up this time seeing the registration numbers in CA now.

Maps/spreadsheet have been updated.

Fhtagn has a near majority in the presidential race, with 50% of the vote. Truman has 26% and Lumine has 19%.

The Federalists have 60% in the House Popular Vote, and four of their five candidates are at or above the quota (compared to one for Labor).

The Lincoln Senate race has narrowed to a margin of two votes.

Lincoln Assembly votes are being funneled through Blair and ReaganClinton, with very few going to the two independent candidates.

Peebs's write-in of Liam (who should have been on the ballot) raises the number of candidates in the Southern Chamber election to 7, which means that all candidates will be elected (except Liam, but he hasn't posted in months anyway).

In Fremont, Siren retains her senate seat.

Was it confirmed by a reliable source that all southern chamber candidates would be elected?

Actually, this is open to interpretation.

From one perspective, Peebs writing in Liam should not have an effect, since write-in candidates need to publicly accept write-ins. Liam has not posted since late July (iirc).

From another perspective, Liam should have been on the ballot anyway, and is not technically a write-in candidate, since he declared candidacy several months ago. This would make the number of candidates 8, and thus 7 people would be elected (most people didn't know Liam was running anyway and so it is assumed that the other 7 candidates would be elected).

I introduced an amendment to shrink the Chamber size but for some reason the Speaker hasn't brought it to the floor. Hopefully new leadership can be more engaged than me and Tim and can make it work, but unless that happens I feel like there's no way a 7-member chamber can be fully active in the current climate. It'll just be a 2-5-ish member chamber with a few empty seats behind dusty nameplates. Oh well!

Am I blue and Senator R2D2 red in the Lincoln Senator map? We’re both independents, and the key doesn’t include the names.

Fixed the names.

It's generally my policy to use the color green for independents. However, when two people of the same party or affiliation are running against each other, I color them by avatar color. I don't like the S-avatar color (too dark) so I made R2D2 red.

Maps have been updated.

Only 10 hours remain in this weekend's elections.

In the presidential election, fhtagn leads by a large margin and with a narrow majority (52.5%), with 45 votes to Truman's 21 and Lumine's 17.

The House Popular Vote is 54-27 in favor of the Federalists.

The Lincoln senate race is currently tied, and has been since yesterday.

In the Assembly, ReaganClinton and Blair will almost certainly be elected. It remains to be seen whether kyc or cxsmith will be the final assemblyman.

wow the right has reached absolute dominance. it's truly something.

You could have accomplished the same in 2014 had you not deregistered and instead ran for President in June of that year. Lumine would have beaten TNF with your vote in the Midwest, as well.

It's an absurd what you're saying about the presidential election.

And the TNF senate race against Lumine was 4 months earlier, and I believe that Maxwell voted for Lumine if I recall correctly

Well it wouldn't have been a landslide, but he most certainly would have won. :P Remember your entire margin of victory was provided by Feds who didn't like the Sirnick/Dallas ticket.

Maxwell deregistered in January 2014 and was not able to return by law until like April. The Lumine-TNF race was Feb 2014. Clearly your memory is slipping old man :P

wait wait sirnick ran for president?

Sometimes I'm glad Yankee has a better memory than me with these things...

Remember all the center left voters Sirnick got because he was TPP? In fact the absence of a rightwing ticket made things much more difficult as I was forced to try to get support from federalists. A normal Federalists-Labor run off would have been much classical and I would have got the center leftists vote and still some federalists like DC. A larger victory probably.

Sure old man! :P

Yankee,
That was probably the election where I spent the most time handling. And I can assure you that the absence of a rightwing ticket was a handicap to me lol.

And to me as well. :P Plus the time I spent fending off Maxwell for Senate would have been spent working the Presidential election.

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Encke, your spreadsheet has NHI voting for cinyc.  He actually voted for R2.

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Yeah, just realized that.

Just remember to vote for yourself at the same time you vote for Governor next time :P. (Voting in two separate posts may have rendered your Senate Vote invalid)

Yeah, I was a tad...influenced...when I voted the first time. Influenced by a particular set of beverages.

Anyway, I figured it was worth the shot.

;)

That is why Scott opts for weed over alcohol.

Can confirm: weed > alcohol

Iirc Clyde did the same thing in a past election and it wasn't counted as invalid. There aren't any laws against it as far as I'm aware. But it isn't something I'd recommend doing.

If it is invalid, is it just the Senate vote? Or is it the whole vote?

To quote an anonymous source: "In federal elections (pre-reset), it was ruled that a voter could make an additional post to vote for offices not already voted on in his/her previous post.  So if a voter cast a ballot for President but not for Senate, he/she could make a second post for Senate, or vice-versa - even with the "one post per thread" rule governing other behavior.  Assuming all relevant law is posted in the booth, Lincoln law does not prohibit multiple posts in the thread."

What a fabulous time for Lincoln to not have a Justice.

Doesn't matter Windjammer would just usurp the case for the whole Court anyway. :P

But would that precedent carry over after the reset?

It has been carried over in post-reset elections before.

If R2D2's vote is valid, then there would be a tie. Does Lincoln have a procedure for determining ties? The Constitution doesn't say anything, but I was wondering if there has been any legislation passed since then (similar to the Fremont's electoral procedures act).

Unless someone concedes, I would imagine there would be lawsuits and a revote.

Greedo's invalid now.

Also, posting this quote here:

Listen I put all that stuff there for a reason I didn’t know about numbers for the candidates so I put X for house candidates I think our great speaker and president both messaged to fix it but the site was down so yes my vote does count
#riggingtheelection4yourself #allvotesmatter

He got hit by the 1:30 Eastern time Forum crash.

I sent him a message notifying him of the problem and warning him not to change it after 20 minutes.

Ironically I was trying to prevent him doing what he ended up doing.

These rules are strict to protect the voters and the election process. It is getting very dicey in terms of posting period during the early morning hours because this forum is based on outdated and crappy technology, and generally I would recommend people try to avoid voting during that time period.

Which is 9 PM Pacific time unfortunately.

I don’t see any Lincoln law on what to do for ties in the proposed legislation thread.

In the absence of any direct rules stating whether R2D2's second vote is valid or not, I assume it will be up to the administrator of the voting booth (kyc) to make that determination.

Also, I'm going to have to update the spreadsheet and map to reflect the fact that Lumine is now advancing to the final round by one vote. I had been tracking the final vote on the assumption that Truman would be in second place.

You are correct - at least initially. And then there will probably be a lawsuit, regardless of which way kyc rules. Since we have no Associate Justice for Lincoln, I assume the whole Atlasian Supreme Court will have to hear it on first instance (as they probably ultimately would, anyway).

Hopefully, someone wins regardless of the questionably cast vote, and it won't come to that.

Also, I have to say that I'm mystified by the recent push by Labor to funnel votes toward Lumine. IIRC around 8 Lumine voters had transfers that favored fhtagn, and around 3 Truman voters had transfers that favored fhtagn. Pushing Lumine to second place really only accomplishes three things:
1) it decreases fhtagn's final margin by 5 votes, which is irrelevant because many of Lumine's votes exhaust themselves anyway,
2) it makes a lot of Laborites look silly for voting for someone who ran as a 'true conservative,' and
3) it makes Truman look like a bad candidate (hell, he has fewer votes than Clyde did in June).

     Labor is a party in trouble, making questionable decisions. I could speculate all day on why they are doing what they are doing, but in the end it is just another step in the long train of Labor's slow decline. Futile gestures of this sort do not speak to a party that is healthy, or powerful, or on a strong path forward. I look forward to Laborites denying this characterization, but the proof is in the pudding; the election results are what matters.

Be careful PiT, remember early 2015 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljIQo1OHkTI) was not that long ago. :P

     Yes, and nobody particularly claimed the Federalist Party was in a good situation then. As a result of that experience, I know better than to describe Labor as being doomed, as many claimed we were then. But they are nevertheless in trouble.

Something may be off in your Lincoln Senate count, Encke. When I go through the thread and count the ballots, I keep on getting 23 R2D2, 22 Clyde (as of Bacon's vote) (taking the four invalids listed in the OP into account) (not counting R2D2's vote). You have 22-22.

Upon further examination, you skipped over Drew's vote for R2D2.

Drew is invalid.

According to whom?

According to the Lincoln constitution. ;)

@Greedo: The legality of R2D2's senate vote is unclear. Please do not attempt to pass judgment on that vote prior to the decision of the Lt. Governor.

That isn't even the vote that's questionable. R2D2's vote is the one that is TBD. It is widely known that to vote in Lincoln elections, one must be eligible to vote for presidential elections.


This means that voters must satisfy the 10 posts in 56 days requirement, which Drew fails to meet.

Look at what I was responding to again:


Bold for emphasis. Greedo was telling R2D2 that his (R2D2's) vote was invalid, albeit with faulty bb code. I was telling Greedo to not make assumptions regarding R2D2's vote.

So is he up by 1 or tied?

R2D2 is up by 1 if his vote for himself is counted and is tied otherwise.

These nested quotes get confusing. Sorry about that.

@Encke: Ah, thanks. Just wanted to make sure.

@Greedo: I really don't want to dignify you with a response, but you've coerced one out of me.

You have been registered in this game just shy of 3 weeks. I have governed at the regional and federal level dating back to 2011. I have put in countless hours writing legislation, working with my colleagues across all ideological persuasions, finding the solutions that work best for the people of Atlasia, and for you to try to play big shot and spit on my reputation and my hard work is not a good look for you.

I get this game is different than it was when I first joined, but that doesn't mean that you have the right to call me a Marxist and act like a child because I am in a contested Senate race. Am I as active as I used to be? No. As I've gotten older, I've taken on more responsibilities in real life. I still try to be as active as I can with my schedule permitting. I have never once supported a Marxist cause unironically, nor have I ever written or voted in favor of legislation that could even liberally be interpreted as Marxist.

If you have a problem with the things I believe, engage me on them. You never once posted in my office thread trying to confront me on this so-called Marxism that I embrace, so why are you choosing to go that route now? And besides, you are not a constituent of mine, so why do you care so deeply about what I believe? Care more about how I vote. Care more about the fact that I am an active legislator who has worked with Federalists to find bipartisan solutions. I have stood my ground where I have seen fit, but I have never done so in a way that compromises my dedication to the people who I represent.

Stop trying to stoke the fires because you want to gain political points. You may impress your party, but your integrity will be compromised and if you can live with that, then fine. Try playing the game the way it was intended: make friends with your fellow Fremontians. Start in the legislature and earn your way into the Senate. And don't pick fights with people who have years of experience on you.

At any rate, this will only come back to bite me, but I don't care. I'll be back tomorrow to put this behind me and advance with my next move in the Senate race once a decision has been reached.

Encke, thank you for your dedication in keeping these results up to date. Your work is truly impressive.

Vote finished in this toss up senate race

And the polls have closed. On to the courts to resolve Lincoln Senate!

It’s a tie unless R2’s vote is counted

There is no process for what happens in a tied Lincoln election

Senator R2D2 and I are reasonable people. I'm sure we can agree on some tiebreaker - if it comes to that.

We first need to wait for the Lt. Governor to certify the results, anyway.

The election is now over.

In the presidential election, fhtagn has 50.0%, which is not the absolute majority required to win. LLR is thus eliminated and his votes transferred. 3 go to Truman and 2 to Lumine, with 1 exhausted. As a result of the exhausted vote, fhtagn receives 50.4% on the second ballot and is elected.

In the House election, all Federalists candidates are elected above quota. Thumb is eliminated with the least votes. All Federalists and Laborites on the ballot are elected.

Siren wins the Fremont election by a 75% margin.

The cinyc and R2D2 election hinges on the validity of R2D2's vote.

Lok1999 is elected as governor of Lincoln.

I still need to transfer votes and stuff for the Assembly election, but it is likely that the elected members are cxsmith, ReaganClinton, and Blair. Kyc is not re-elected.

Dfwlibertylover is the Southern governor, and all 7 candidates excluding Liam are elected to the Chamber.

Also, that Presidential map looks reaaaaally ugly.

I don't know whether I should be proud or concerned that I make up 41% of Labor house votes.

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Lumine pulled one impressive late campaign.

Let no one say I don't have a certain bipartisan appeal!

Obviously!

As TNF would say:

Muh regions
muh constitution! :P