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Title: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Passed) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on February 28, 2018, 04:00:48 AM Quote House Bill To amend provisions of the recently passed Return Education to the Regions Act. Be it enacted in both Houses of Congress Assembled, Quote Amendment to the Return Education to the Regions Act Section 1 (Overview)i. Regional Government will be tasked with creating a framework for educational funding and curriculum. No reductions in Federal funding will occur before the first day of the Fiscal Year of 2019. ii. Regional Governments must guarantee and maintain access to free public schooling for grades K-12 for all school aged Atlasian citizens and permanent residents residing in their Region. Section 2 (Curriculum) i. While Regions will be able to create their own education curriculum, they must include the following courses or sections in their curriculum. (a) English:Grades 1-12 (b) Math:Grades 1-12 (c) Career Course: (d) Natural Sciences: At least 7 grades (e) Atlasian History: At least 3 grades (f) Computer Science: At least one grade at high-school level Section 3 (Spending Cuts) i. Effective with the commencement of the Fiscal Year of 2019, 10% of the Sub-department of Education's federal government administrative expenses will be cut. The money freed by this 10% cut will be appropriated towards updating educational equipment in impoverished school districts, based on whose equipment is most in need of updating. ii. The need shall be determined by a formula calculated by the Sub-department of Education, within the Department of Internal Affairs, who shall be in charge with administering the distribution of the funds. iii. If the funds provided satisfy 100% of the need in the above mentioned districts, then any remaining funds shall be appropriated towards school building repairs and expansion in those same districts. Section 4 (Implementation) i. This bill shall go into effect with the Fiscal Year of 2019. People's House of Representatives Pending Sponsor: WxTransit Co-Sponsor: ReaganClinton20xx House Designation: HB 1198 Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: Bidenworth2020 on February 28, 2018, 08:54:35 AM I wanna make science a 1-12 subject. Science is a relatively large single supplier of jobs, and embedding the fundamentals in early is very important. Also, I feel like we are being overly optimistic by thinking teachers will just sit on their hands while their salaries get cut. We need to put something in the bill to address that. Finally, as minor as it is, I think we need to change the Altasian History subject to World History, and cover different topics, one boing Atlasian History.
Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: RFayette on February 28, 2018, 12:08:54 PM I wanna make science a 1-12 subject. Science is a relatively large single supplier of jobs, and embedding the fundamentals in early is very important. Also, I feel like we are being overly optimistic by thinking teachers will just sit on their hands while their salaries get cut. We need to put something in the bill to address that. Finally, as minor as it is, I think we need to change the Altasian History subject to World History, and cover different topics, one boing Atlasian History. I concur with this. Science is too important to not be covered through elementary school. Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: fhtagn on February 28, 2018, 01:13:14 PM I'm not sure if it's a good idea to move career courses down to just one grade in high school minimum. While it was argued in the previous thread that some students will be more scholastically oriented, ensuring that they take career courses provides them with valuable skills they need in the real world, no matter what route they take after graduating.
I do agree with expanding science, especially if math is also already covered in grades 1-12. Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: Sestak on February 28, 2018, 01:48:21 PM I'm not sure if it's a good idea to move career courses down to just one grade in high school minimum. While it was argued in the previous thread that some students will be more scholastically oriented, ensuring that they take career courses provides them with valuable skills they need in the real world, no matter what route they take after graduating. I do agree with expanding science, especially if math is also already covered in grades 1-12. How about we set a minimum of two years? I don't think we should be consistently forcing academically-oriented students to take one fewer academic class. Also, in an increasingly digital world, I'd argue that the mandatory year of CS also doubles as a career elective. Concur with science and CS expansion. I also strongly support mandatory economics in the curriculum. Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: wxtransit on February 28, 2018, 02:18:36 PM I'll offer an amendment to the amendment.
Quote House Bill To amend provisions of the recently passed Return Education to the Regions Act. Be it enacted in both Houses of Congress Assembled, Quote Amendment to the Return Education to the Regions Act Section 1 (Overview)i. Regional Government will be tasked with creating a framework for educational funding and curriculum. No reductions in Federal funding will occur before the first day of the Fiscal Year of 2019. ii. Regional Governments must guarantee and maintain access to free public schooling for grades K-12 for all school aged Atlasian citizens and permanent residents residing in their Region. Section 2 (Curriculum) i. While Regions will be able to create their own education curriculum, they must include the following courses or sections in their curriculum. (a) English:Grades 1-12 (b) Math:Grades 1-12 (c) Career Course: At least two grades (d) Natural Sciences: Grades 1-12 (e) Atlasian History: At least 3 grades (f) Computer Science: At least one grade at high-school level (g) Foreign Language: At least two grades Section 3 (Spending Cuts) i. Effective with the commencement of the Fiscal Year of 2019, 10% of the Sub-department of Education's federal government administrative expenses will be cut. The money freed by this 10% cut will be appropriated towards updating educational equipment in impoverished school districts, based on whose equipment is most in need of updating. ii. The need shall be determined by a formula calculated by the Sub-department of Education, within the Department of Internal Affairs, who shall be in charge with administering the distribution of the funds. iii. If the funds provided satisfy 100% of the need in the above mentioned districts, then any remaining funds shall be appropriated towards school building repairs and expansion in those same districts. Section 4 (Implementation) i. This bill shall go into effect with the Fiscal Year of 2019. People's House of Representatives Pending For the reasoning given above (I agree about science/career expansion), and that foreign language should be required. However, unless it's microeconomics, I don't see any need for mandatory economics, as that would be more as career course (would a future meteorologist really need to study macroeconomics?). Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: Sestak on February 28, 2018, 02:31:15 PM It feels a little weird seeing this new order of "A through G" minimum requirements, considering the UC system uses a different "A through G" for admissions:
History/social science (“a”) English (“b”) Mathematics (“c”) Laboratory science (“d”) Language other than English (“e”) Visual and performing arts (“f”) College-preparatory elective ("g") Obviously if we were to reorder them we'd have to set F and G to the career class and CS. Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: RC (a la Frémont) on February 28, 2018, 03:49:52 PM Quote House Bill Section 2 (Curriculum)i. While Regions will be able to create their own education curriculum, they must include the following courses or sections in their curriculum. (a) English:Grades 1-12 (b) Math:Grades 1-12 (c) Career Course: (d) Natural Sciences: At least 7 grades (e) Atlasian History: At least 3 grades (f) Computer Science: At least one grade at high-school level Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: wxtransit on February 28, 2018, 03:54:43 PM Quote House Bill Section 2 (Curriculum)i. While Regions will be able to create their own education curriculum, they must include the following courses or sections in their curriculum. (a) English:Grades 1-12 (b) Math:Grades 1-12 (c) Career Course: (d) Natural Sciences: At least 7 grades (e) Atlasian History: At least 3 grades (f) Computer Science: At least one grade at high-school level I addressed these (save for Languages other than English being 7-12 instead of two grades) already. ;) Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: RC (a la Frémont) on March 01, 2018, 01:30:27 PM Quote House Bill Section 2 (Curriculum)i. While Regions will be able to create their own education curriculum, they must include the following courses or sections in their curriculum. (a) English:Grades 1-12 (b) Math:Grades 1-12 (c) Career Course: (d) Natural Sciences: At least 7 grades (e) Atlasian History: At least 3 grades (f) Computer Science: At least one grade at high-school level I addressed these (save for Languages other than English being 7-12 instead of two grades) already. ;) Quote Section 2 (Curriculum) Also, wouldn't Section 1 Part I contradict what we are trrying to do here?i. While Regions will be able to create their own education curriculum, they must include the following courses or sections in their curriculum. (a) English: (b) Math: Grades 1-12 (c) Career Course: (d) Natural Sciences: Grades 1-12 (e) Atlasian History: (f) Computer Science: At least (g) Foreign Language: Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: wxtransit on March 01, 2018, 01:35:14 PM Quote House Bill Section 2 (Curriculum)i. While Regions will be able to create their own education curriculum, they must include the following courses or sections in their curriculum. (a) English:Grades 1-12 (b) Math:Grades 1-12 (c) Career Course: (d) Natural Sciences: At least 7 grades (e) Atlasian History: At least 3 grades (f) Computer Science: At least one grade at high-school level I addressed these (save for Languages other than English being 7-12 instead of two grades) already. ;) Quote Section 2 (Curriculum) i. While Regions will be able to create their own education curriculum, they must include the following courses or sections in their curriculum. (a) English: (b) Math: Grades 1-12 (c) Career Course: (d) Natural Sciences: Grades 1-12 (e) Atlasian History: (f) Computer Science: At least (g) Foreign Language: Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: Sestak on March 01, 2018, 01:42:53 PM We should really have two sets of numbers for each subject: one for how much schools are required to mandate, one which they are required to offer.
Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: wxtransit on March 01, 2018, 01:57:30 PM We should really have two sets of numbers for each subject: one for how much schools are required to mandate, one which they are required to offer. Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: wxtransit on March 01, 2018, 02:04:25 PM Quote Section 2 (Curriculum) i. While Regions will be able to create their own education curriculum, they must include the following courses or sections in their curriculum. (a) English: (b) Math: Grades 1-12 (c) Career Course: Grades 9-12, with grades 10-12 being optional (d) Natural Sciences: Grades 1-12 (e) Atlasian History: Grades 1-12, with grades 10-12 being optional (f) Computer Science: At least two grades at high-school level (g) Foreign Language: Grades 7-12, optional after Grade 10 Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: RC (a la Frémont) on March 01, 2018, 03:30:25 PM Quote Section 2 (Curriculum) i. While Regions will be able to create their own education curriculum, they must include the following courses or sections in their curriculum. (a) English: (b) Math: Grades 1-12 (c) Career Course: Grades 9-12, with grades 10-12 being optional (d) Natural Sciences: Grades 1-12 (e) Atlasian History: Grades 1-12, with grades 10-12 being optional (f) Computer Science: At least two grades at high-school level (g) Foreign Language: Grades 7-12, optional after Grade 10 Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: Sestak on March 01, 2018, 03:59:00 PM An issue with the History stuff. A lot of schools alternate their history courses between World History some years and Atlasian (US) History other years, but this would forcefully disrupt their current curriculum by forcing Atlasian History every year.
Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: wxtransit on March 01, 2018, 04:01:25 PM An issue with the History stuff. A lot of schools alternate their history courses between World History some years and Atlasian (US) History other years, but this would forcefully disrupt their current curriculum by forcing Atlasian History every year. Oh. I interpreted it as general history, whoops. Might this work? Quote Section 2 (Curriculum) i. While Regions will be able to create their own education curriculum, they must include the following courses or sections in their curriculum. (a) English: Grades 1-12 (b) Math: Grades 1-12 (c) Career Course: Grades 9-12, with grades 10-12 being optional (d) Natural Sciences: Grades 1-12 (e) (f) Computer Science: At least two grades at high-school level (g) Foreign Language: Grades 7-12, optional after Grade 10 Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: Bidenworth2020 on March 01, 2018, 04:32:22 PM I am ready to support this, although I wanna add a freshman health class, talking about why not to do drugs, etc.
Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: Sestak on March 01, 2018, 04:48:39 PM I'd change history to mandatory 1-10, while mandating that at least three mandatory years need to focus on Atlasian history and three years on world, with one year of each in high school.
Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: RC (a la Frémont) on March 01, 2018, 05:21:00 PM I am ready to support this, although I wanna add a freshman health class, talking about why not to do drugs, etc. by the way, I would like to co-sponsor this bill alongside WxTransit. Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on March 02, 2018, 06:50:35 AM You guys have totally and completely missed the original point of the legislation. :P
No one in anyway said these subjects were "less important". The whole point of the original legislation was to begin the process of transitioning education back to the regions, and thereby allowing this to become a regional level debate for the sake of game play and activity at that level. So far in this debate, I have seen every centralist (as in centralized state, not "centrist" in case someone was misreading :P) inclination towards micro-managing curriculum to the point of making the first line of the section in question ("While Regions will be able to create their own education curriculum") as well as the underlying statute's name, a joke. This is the same mindset that saw the regions stripped mined of responsibility and importance pre-reset, leading to widespread inactivity and disinterest (for gory details, read Truman's wiki page, its like a chronicle of events). All of these curriculum mandates, will also render the need to amend section 3 to remove the cuts to the administrative staff, so that some one can administer these new requirements and thus the grants of money provided to poor school districts will also need to be clawed back as well. In essence, the whole bill is being unraveled in the process. Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on March 02, 2018, 07:08:19 AM I am ready to support this, although I wanna add a freshman health class, talking about why not to do drugs, etc. I actually would have no problem with this, particularly in light of the heroine epidemic, it would fall within a reasonable requirement of the regions in exchange for the broader latitude I talked about in my previous post and is present in the underlying legislation. The Federal gov't is on the hook for a lot of expenses for treatment of addicted persons via the health care subsidy and thus such a requirement helps to reduce some of that cost over the long term. Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on March 02, 2018, 07:13:23 AM I am going to hold off on processing the amendment since text keeps being altered at present. In a previous lifetime, I used to distinguish between "official amendments" and "texts for discussions", the difference being the former actually says "Amendment Proposed/offered", and the other does not. This allows for the free flow of debate without getting trapped in looped votes on texts the discussion had already moved past.
Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: fhtagn on March 02, 2018, 09:16:45 PM I am curious as to why computer science would be kept separate from "career course".
I can also agree with Yankee's concerns that the more we add to this "amendment", the more this defeats the purpose of the original passed and signed bill. Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on March 06, 2018, 03:35:40 AM You know this is why people hate the house. Someone makes a post and then instead of their being a response or a disagreement, there is silence. I just made a post disagreeing with most of the House members, surely someone can make some posts challenging my points.
Come at me bro.... :P Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: Bidenworth2020 on March 06, 2018, 04:24:33 PM besides the freshman health class I want added, I like everything
Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: RC (a la Frémont) on March 07, 2018, 07:44:13 AM Can we just add PMasta's Health thing to the amendment Transit and I proposed and just be done with this?
Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: wxtransit on March 07, 2018, 09:44:31 AM Can we just add PMasta's Health thing to the amendment Transit and I proposed and just be done with this? Yes, sorry, I'll amend, I was busy last night. Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on March 09, 2018, 11:57:30 PM Can we just add PMasta's Health thing to the amendment Transit and I proposed and just be done with this? Yes, sorry, I'll amend, I was busy last night. Does this mean you will be offering a final revised text as an amendment? Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: wxtransit on March 10, 2018, 12:03:54 AM Can we just add PMasta's Health thing to the amendment Transit and I proposed and just be done with this? Yes, sorry, I'll amend, I was busy last night. Does this mean you will be offering a final revised text as an amendment? Yes, I will. Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: wxtransit on March 10, 2018, 12:09:23 AM Quote Section 2 (Curriculum) i. While Regions will be able to create their own education curriculum, they must include the following courses or sections in their curriculum. (a) English:Grades 1-12 (b) Math:Grades 1-12 (c) Career Course: At least one high-school grade (d) Natural Sciences: At least 7 grades (e) Atlasian History: At least 3 grades (f) Computer Science: At least one high-school grade (g) Foreign Language: At least 4 grades (h) Health: At least one middle- or high-school grade Honestly, I also think that we may be going too far with the restrictions, and instead I suggest we offer generalized recommendations. Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: fhtagn on March 10, 2018, 12:15:10 AM Wouldn't computer science be lumped in with career courses?
At least from what I remember from being in school, all of my computer science courses were categorized the same as other career courses one could potentially take. Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: wxtransit on March 10, 2018, 12:17:42 AM Wouldn't computer science be lumped in with career courses? At least from what I remember from being in school, all of my computer science courses were categorized the same as other career courses one could potentially take. I (at least personally) see as computer science is a growing fundamental skill in society, no matter the profession (learning how computers work and rudimentary coding skills are almost a necessity now), so that is my reasoning for not putting it in with career courses. Also, now (to my knowledge), computer science is not designated as a career course. Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: fhtagn on March 10, 2018, 12:24:26 AM I'd also like to point out something mentioned in my White House thread, and my understanding of the original bill:
I probably should have asked this when I was still in Congress, but where does the federal government get the authority to dictate the contents of regional curriculums? Or does this merely require the regions to meet these standards in exchange for federal funds? To my knowledge, it's merely a requirement in exchange for federal funds. The point of the Return Education to the Regions Act was to allow the regions to dictate what all is included in their curriculums, but at the very least we must ensure that there are some minimum requirements to meet to ensure all of our children are receiving a quality education. While I understand the importance of all these different courses being proposed, it's taking away from the real purpose of the bill, and at the rate this is going, might as well be amended to end the bill we just worked towards passing and signing into law. Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: wxtransit on March 10, 2018, 12:25:56 AM I'd also like to point out something mentioned in my White House thread, and my understanding of the original bill: I probably should have asked this when I was still in Congress, but where does the federal government get the authority to dictate the contents of regional curriculums? Or does this merely require the regions to meet these standards in exchange for federal funds? To my knowledge, it's merely a requirement in exchange for federal funds. The point of the Return Education to the Regions Act was to allow the regions to dictate what all is included in their curriculums, but at the very least we must ensure that there are some minimum requirements to meet to ensure all of our children are receiving a quality education. While I understand the importance of all these different courses being proposed, it's taking away from the real purpose of the bill, and at the rate this is going, might as well be amended to end the bill we just worked towards passing and signing into law. I just addressed this fact in the new amendment. Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on March 10, 2018, 01:43:44 AM Quote from: Amendment H11:01 by Wxtransit Section 2 (Curriculum) i. While Regions will be able to create their own education curriculum, they must include the following courses or sections in their curriculum. (a) English:Grades 1-12 (b) Math:Grades 1-12 (c) Career Course: At least one high-school grade (d) Natural Sciences: At least 7 grades (e) Atlasian History: At least 3 grades (f) Computer Science: At least one high-school grade (g) Foreign Language: At least 4 grades (h) Health: At least one middle- or high-school grade Sponsor Feedback: Origination Status: Representatives have 24 hours to object. Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on March 14, 2018, 01:34:58 AM The amendment is adopted.
Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on March 14, 2018, 01:35:36 AM Any further amendments on this?
Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: wxtransit on March 14, 2018, 07:43:52 AM /shrug
I don't want to call for a final vote yet, as I feel there are still some unaddressed concerns that members have. Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on March 14, 2018, 11:28:23 AM /shrug I don't want to call for a final vote yet, as I feel there are still some unaddressed concerns that members have. Been there many a times myself. Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Current Text Reposted) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on March 16, 2018, 07:31:33 PM See anything missing?
Quote from: Current Text House Bill To amend provisions of the recently passed Return Education to the Regions Act. Be it enacted in both Houses of Congress Assembled, Quote Amendment to the Return Education to the Regions Act Section 1 (Overview)i. Regional Government will be tasked with creating a framework for educational funding and curriculum. No reductions in Federal funding will occur before the first day of the Fiscal Year of 2019. ii. Regional Governments must guarantee and maintain access to free public schooling for grades K-12 for all school aged Atlasian citizens and permanent residents residing in their Region. Section 2 (Curriculum) i. While Regions will be able to create their own education curriculum, they must include the following courses or sections in their curriculum. (a) English:Grades 1-12 (b) Math:Grades 1-12 (c) Career Course: At least one high-school grade (d) Natural Sciences: At least 7 grades (e) Atlasian History: At least 3 grades (f) Computer Science: At least one high-school grade (g) Foreign Language: At least 4 grades (h) Health: At least one middle- or high-school grade Section 3 (Spending Cuts) i. Effective with the commencement of the Fiscal Year of 2019, 10% of the Sub-department of Education's federal government administrative expenses will be cut. The money freed by this 10% cut will be appropriated towards updating educational equipment in impoverished school districts, based on whose equipment is most in need of updating. ii. The need shall be determined by a formula calculated by the Sub-department of Education, within the Department of Internal Affairs, who shall be in charge with administering the distribution of the funds. iii. If the funds provided satisfy 100% of the need in the above mentioned districts, then any remaining funds shall be appropriated towards school building repairs and expansion in those same districts. Section 4 (Implementation) i. This bill shall go into effect with the Fiscal Year of 2019. People's House of Representatives Pending Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Debating) Post by: wxtransit on March 16, 2018, 08:24:57 PM I'll call for a final vote.
Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (At Final Vote) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on March 18, 2018, 01:52:20 AM A final vote is now open on this legislation, Representatives please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (At Final Vote) Post by: wxtransit on March 18, 2018, 10:55:17 AM Aye.
Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (At Final Vote) Post by: RFayette on March 18, 2018, 11:11:42 AM Aye
Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (At Final Vote) Post by: Bidenworth2020 on March 18, 2018, 01:05:12 PM Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (At Final Vote) Post by: RC (a la Frémont) on March 18, 2018, 05:37:23 PM Aye
Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (At Final Vote) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on March 19, 2018, 03:13:31 AM NAY
Casting a philosophical nay here in the name of Regionalizing Education. Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (At Final Vote) Post by: GM Team Member and Senator WB on March 19, 2018, 06:34:09 AM aye
Although I still do disagree with making career courses only one year, the health course, foreign language and computer science courses are needed. Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (At Final Vote) Post by: Sestak on March 19, 2018, 09:05:17 PM Ugh okay hang on.
Just to clarify, these years specify what the school has to OFFER, yes? Not what they have to mandate? I need to know for the Fremont bill I'm drafting. Mandatory 4 years foreign language seems excessive (especially considering that for some languages, fourth year = AP level) Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (At Final Vote) Post by: wxtransit on March 20, 2018, 12:32:54 AM Ugh okay hang on. Just to clarify, these years specify what the school has to OFFER, yes? Not what they have to mandate? I need to know for the Fremont bill I'm drafting. Mandatory 4 years foreign language seems excessive (especially considering that for some languages, fourth year = AP level) First, we've already started the final vote, so we can't stop. ;) Second, it is what all students have to take at some point in their schooling. Unless specified, this does not have to mean high school. For example, here in Texas, students can start formal foreign language classes as early as fifth grade (if I remember correctly), and added four years to that would be ninth grade, so the student would not have to take classes beyond that. Students don't have to take it to AP level (though it would be recommended), and they don't have to take it exclusively in high school either. It depends the way the region wants to structure their curriculum, as the grade ranges in the bill refer from a K-12 range of grades, not a 9-12 range of grades. Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (At Final Vote) Post by: Sestak on March 20, 2018, 01:16:37 AM Ugh I'd prefer 3 years but whatever.
I guess I oppose this now. Pls veto fhtagn, I want my Regions' Rights back. Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (At Final Vote) Post by: wxtransit on March 20, 2018, 01:23:51 AM Ugh I'd prefer 3 years but whatever. I guess I oppose this now. Pls veto fhtagn, I want my Regions' Rights back. The rights of the regions are fully protected here. This is to ensure a national standard (which some regions have not yet met, and to ensure students get the same quality of schooling across the nation. This shouldn't be made into a politicized issue. If you re-read the amendment, you'll see the requirements are extremely modular and put the regions in full control of their curriculum. The standards are not applied to any school year. I mean, technically, a region could even have their students take all four years of language starting at Pre-K. And why shouldn't we encourage students to think beyond English and study a new language for four years to enrich the learning of the language? Three years is too little; students only really start to get a grasp of the language after learning key components introduced that take four years to teach (tenses, conjugations, etc.), and cramming it into a minimum of three would not just be detrimental for the teachers, but also for the students' learning. Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (At Final Vote) Post by: Sestak on March 20, 2018, 01:27:29 AM I did. I just was planning for mandatory 3 years in middle + high, and none in elementary school.
Wait, can I mandate a middle school Latin class to fulfill the requirement? Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (At Final Vote) Post by: wxtransit on March 20, 2018, 01:35:22 AM I did. I just was planning for mandatory 3 years in middle + high, and none in elementary school. Wait, can I mandate a middle school Latin class to fulfill the requirement? Sure, but that's for the regions to decide. We couldn't amend that at the federal level. Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (At Final Vote) Post by: YE on March 20, 2018, 01:41:47 AM Yeah I just noticed this now. 4 grades of foreign language is excessive IMO (not everyone needs to be committed to learn one, although the same could be said about almost anything, and the benefits are obvious, the teaching supply for foreign languages IRL is not ideal) I'd ensure as well as a year of a bullsh**t career course (though I knew what I wanted to do since 1st grade so I may be biased in that regard). The rest of the bill seems fine.
Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (At Final Vote) Post by: Sestak on March 20, 2018, 01:45:48 AM I did. I just was planning for mandatory 3 years in middle + high, and none in elementary school. Wait, can I mandate a middle school Latin class to fulfill the requirement? Sure, but that's for the regions to decide. We couldn't amend that at the federal level. I'm treating this from a regional perspective for now; working on the Fremont bill. I think one year career course is fine. A little bit less essential now that CS is its own thing, but I think it can stay. My big problem is the four years language. Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (At Final Vote) Post by: wxtransit on March 20, 2018, 02:02:27 AM I did. I just was planning for mandatory 3 years in middle + high, and none in elementary school. Wait, can I mandate a middle school Latin class to fulfill the requirement? Sure, but that's for the regions to decide. We couldn't amend that at the federal level. I'm treating this from a regional perspective for now; working on the Fremont bill. I think one year career course is fine. A little bit less essential now that CS is its own thing, but I think it can stay. My big problem is the four years language. Ah, ok. Additionally, four years of language is necessary to set a foundation for greater language learning in the future and language development. By year three, students begin to enter more complicated concepts yet have not started to get a grasp on B1-ish level control of the language (from what I've seen). By year four; however, students have got a solid base of the language by learning many new tenses and conjugations that were not covered in year three and earlier. Having four years is to ensure that all students get the foundation they need before moving on to something else. Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (At Final Vote) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on March 21, 2018, 02:51:09 AM This is why the original Return Education to the Regions bill had so few requirements curriculum wise. The very fact that representatives from the Fremont Region (historically one most struggling with activity) is taking issue with the fact that we are micromanaging their curriculum with this bill should illustrate something at least to all those voices that used to say "we have to do this, because the regions are too inactive" (self-fullfilling prophesy right there).
Anyway time has expired. Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Passed) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on March 21, 2018, 02:55:47 AM Vote on Final Passage of the Amendment to the Return Education to the Regions Act:
Aye (5): PoliticalMasta, ReaganClinton20xx, Rfayette, Wxtransit and Weatherboy1102 Nay (1): NC Yankee Abstain (0): Didn't Vote (3): Oakvale, Peebs, and TheGovanahJake The bill has passed the House and is sent to the VP/PPT for Senate action. Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Passed) Post by: Sestak on March 21, 2018, 02:59:35 AM Wait technically fhtagn could just choose not to withhold funding if we only flout one small part of the requirements, right?
Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Passed) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on March 21, 2018, 03:16:59 AM Quote from: Final Text House Bill To amend provisions of the recently passed Return Education to the Regions Act. Be it enacted in both Houses of Congress Assembled, Quote Amendment to the Return Education to the Regions Act Section 1 (Overview)i. Regional Government will be tasked with creating a framework for educational funding and curriculum. No reductions in Federal funding will occur before the first day of the Fiscal Year of 2019. ii. Regional Governments must guarantee and maintain access to free public schooling for grades K-12 for all school aged Atlasian citizens and permanent residents residing in their Region. Section 2 (Curriculum) i. While Regions will be able to create their own education curriculum, they must include the following courses or sections in their curriculum. (a) English:Grades 1-12 (b) Math:Grades 1-12 (c) Career Course: At least one high-school grade (d) Natural Sciences: At least 7 grades (e) Atlasian History: At least 3 grades (f) Computer Science: At least one high-school grade (g) Foreign Language: At least 4 grades (h) Health: At least one middle- or high-school grade Section 3 (Spending Cuts) i. Effective with the commencement of the Fiscal Year of 2019, 10% of the Sub-department of Education's federal government administrative expenses will be cut. The money freed by this 10% cut will be appropriated towards updating educational equipment in impoverished school districts, based on whose equipment is most in need of updating. ii. The need shall be determined by a formula calculated by the Sub-department of Education, within the Department of Internal Affairs, who shall be in charge with administering the distribution of the funds. iii. If the funds provided satisfy 100% of the need in the above mentioned districts, then any remaining funds shall be appropriated towards school building repairs and expansion in those same districts. Section 4 (Implementation) i. This bill shall go into effect with the Fiscal Year of 2019. People's House of Representatives Passed 5-1 in the Atlasian House Assembled, (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=286002.msg6118575#msg6118575) () Title: Re: HOUSE BILL: Amendment to the Return Education... (Passed) Post by: President of the great nation of 🏳️⚧️ on March 21, 2018, 08:29:40 AM sh**t.
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