Talk Elections

see above. I guess we'll need one other person to post before getting this truly started.

I'll post.

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weatherboy 315 Electoral Votes ~ 42% Popular Vote
wxtransit 175 Electoral Votes ~ 40% Popular Vote
Me 48 Electoral Votes ~ 17% Popular Vote

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Me (D-TX) 237 EV, 35% pv
wxtransit (R-TX) 174 EV, 32% pv
Texarkana (I-VA)  126 EV, 28% pv

The Black vote moves significantly less D, with mass migration to an Independent bid in The South from Texarkana, but I manage to move a lot of WWC and Mormon votes my way while holding roughly the same on most other minority votes one would expect a Democrat to get. Little change from the expected from the Republican side, except maybe a slight rise in Southern Baptist turnout to stop that Mormon.

The House gives the Presidency to WX.

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Texarkana: 38%, 224 EV
MormDem: 37%, 199 EV
Weatherboy1102: 25%, 115 EV

My campaign mostly focuses on the WWC and progressive voters, however, my support is really only concentrated in the rust belt areas and my home state.

I did a general but then realized I should've done a D primary. oh well...

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Something like this.

Weatherboy 239
MormDem 170
MB 129

Election goes to the House. MormDem wins with most Republicans and a minority of Democrats. Weatherboy gets the majority of Democrats. I win a minority of Democrats and some libertarian-minded Republicans.

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Me
Weatherboy
MB

D primary, probably ends in contested convention. As I think I'd have the most raw delegates (especially if there are superdelegates), I'd probably make a deal with one of them for the VP position. Or maybe they make a "progressive deal" with each other, IDK.

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ThatConservativeGuy - 348 EVs ~ 47% PV
Lord Sestak - 161 EVs ~ 35% PV
MB - 29 EVs ~ 18% PV

Sestak and MB would split the left-of-center vote, giving me an easy electoral win.

Sestak and I split the left-wing vote by our coasts, and TCG mops up the rest.

I can't imagine a scenario where I run against Razze as an independent, so here's a fun one:
It's 1980. The Communist Party has ruled the U.S. for the past four years, ever since their shocking victories in the 1974 midterms and the 1976 Presidential election. However, America's democracy is strong and its constitution still stands- the Communists tried, but did not yet manage to overturn it and turn the U.S. into an autocracy. Sensing the need, the pro-democracy, liberal forces in the country merge into the Democratic-Republican Party. Now, in 1980, the primary is heating up to decide who will face President Gus Hall in the general election. There are three candidates: TCG (DR-GA), running as a staunch conservative in the mold of the imprisoned Ronald Reagan, promising to strike down Communism in any means necessary and erase the past four years completely. Parrotguy (DR-NY) is running from the (relative) center, promising to combat Communism and make sure the U.S. remains a liberal democracy, but agreeing to keep some of the "achievements" of President Hall like universal healthcare and some of the free education system. Razze (DR-FL) is running from the party's relative left, promising to return the U.S. to liberal democracy but also advocating for a social democratic system, agreeing to keep some of what Hall did (more than Parrotguy) and allowing the Communist Party to remain legal (the other two want to outlaw it). This is the primary map:

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The convention is tense from the start. Razze and Parrotguy strike a deal, as the latter endorses the former in exchange for a spot on the ticket. Trying to prevent a conservative revolt, the three candidates hold a meeting in which Parrotguy assures TCG that he will make sure America remains a fundamentally capitalist nation while Razze offers him the SoS spot. Seeing the grave need to combat the communists, TCG agrees and endorses the ticket, campaigning for it vigorously. As a bonus, general election map:

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Razze (DR-FL)\Parrotguy (DR-NY): 47.8%, 277 electoral votes ✓
President Gus Hall (CP-OH)\Vice President Jarvis Tyner (CP-NY): 45.4%, 261 electoral votes
Others (mainly conservative and socialist 3rd parties): 6.8%

Yay, the country is saved, now we can keep fighting :P I'm not saying TCG should make the next post in a 1988 general election between Vice President Parrotguy and himself, but he totally should

Democratic Party Primary:
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Sen. Angry Socdem (D-MD)
Gov. Razze (D-FL)
Mayor Parrotguy (I-NYC)

I think I would do well in the Midwest due to economic populism, as well as in the Great Plains and Mountain West which tend to have the most left-wing Democratic bases. I guess I would only win MD/VA due to influence in the DC metro area. Razze would sweep the Sunbelt and be very popular with Hispanic voters. Parrotguy, being an Independent Mayor, would have little influence outside of the NYC metro + PNW (which neither myself nor Razze would hold enough influence over).

Democratic Primary:

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MB
Angry Socdem
Parrotguy

I win west of the Mississippi minus a few states, while Parrotguy wins fairly establishment eastern seaboard states. Socdem is able to find a common ground between most party wings, so he wins much of the east and large states in the west, and would most likely become the nominee.

Socdem
Ninja0428
MB

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Democratic Primary: The Democratic Primary of 2020 pitted Governor Jake Jewvinivisk of New York against Governor Texarkana and Senator from South Carolina Senator Ninja0428. The initial favorite for the race, Senator Angry SocDem of Maryland, declined in early 2019 that he would in-fact not run citing that he didn't want too "leave his state". The race was thus wide open but three candidates remained. Going into Iowa, Governor Jewvinivisk proved a favorite and won the primary 43-31% over Senator Ninja, running on a campaign similar too Bernard "Bernie" Sander's primary run in 2016. He emphasized "Progressive Populism" calling for things included a Multi-Payer Healthcare system, a raised minimum wage, a end too oversea's wars, and tuition free college. He gained large crowds because of this. His main rival, Senator Ninja, meanwhile portrayed himself very much as the "Real Democrat" in the race citing the Governor's long held independent nature and calling his plans unfeasible. He was able to garner mostly Black and more Conservative Democratic votes and was viewed by the media as the "Clinton of 2020". The final main canidate was long-shot Governor Texarkana. He ran on a libertarian platform but was immediately undermined by sex scandals and a certain affair with a "big bootied" black women by the name of Samantha Jones. He refused too drop out, and ran until the last primary in D.C. which was one of the few he did win. New Hampshire and Nevada were both won strongly by the New York Governor and spelled the end of Ninja's chances at the nomination. In the end - the North and West went too Jewvinivisk while the South was mostly held by Ninja with vote splitting by Texarkana giving Jewvinivisk Texas and Tennessee, making states like North Carolina much closer then they normally would be. In the end, the party rallied behind the Governor who would defeat Donald Trump in November and start a new progressive golden age*
*Wishful thinking.


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Dem Primary

I wouldn't have much difference with Jake, and we'd probably split the progressive/populist vote so Texarkana would win.

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Dem Primary:

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Ninja0428
Jake Jewvinivisk
MB
Similarly to the last one, vote splitting would spell doom for the two progressives.

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Governor Ninja (D-SC)
Senator Weather (D-SC)
Representative MB (D-OR)

MB's campaign focuses more on economic issues, showing a more center-left position on social issues. Ninja is the "Clinton of 2020" and wins due to progressive vote splitting

Democratic Primary

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I, L.D. Smith, pull off an upset with my centrist social views while the SJW-Donor Establishment bickers over whether to roll with Donor favorite Ninja, or the milequetoast but more palatable to college kids Weatherboy. The whole thing lets me survive Super Tuesday despite long odds and turn it around in The Midwest and seal the deal with Pennsylvania.

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Gov. Oldiesfreak1854 (R-MI)/Sen. John Thune (R-SD): 275 EVs (48% PV)
Sen. L.D. Smith (D-CA)/Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA): 263 EVs (47% PV)
Rep. Weatherboy1102 (I-SC)/Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT): 0 EVs (4% PV)

After hotly contested nomination fights for both parties, the general election match is set up between two candidates whom many voters see as virtually identical aside from the R or D next to their names.  On the Republican side, Governor Oldiesfreak1854 wins the GOP nomination after dispatching a series of more conservative challengers, including Senators Ted Cruz of Texas and Rand Paul of Kentucky.  The Democrats give their nod to California Senator L.D. Smith, making him only the second Mormon after Mitt Romney to win a major party's presidential nomination.  Weatherboy1102, a progressive white Democratic Congressman from a majority black district in South Carolina, runs for the Democratic nomination, but due to low polling and a lack of fundraising, withdraws before any contests to run as an independent.  He receives the support of Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, whom Weatherboy chooses as his running mate.  Many progressives are disappointed, however, when Elizabeth Warren accepts an offer to be Smith's running mate, in which she urges the Democrats to unite for the general election.  

Oldiesfreak and Smith are both moderates on social issues, prompting many party line votes and leaving swing voters confused over which one to support.  However, this allows economic and foreign policy issues to take center stage more than usual.  During the campaign, Oldiesfreak touts his high popularity and record of success and bipartisanship as governor, but stuns and chagrins many in the Republican base with calls for paid family leave and a new push to ratify the Equal Rights Amendment.  Smith and Weatherboy, fearing a loss of progressive voters, moderates, and suburban women, also endorse these measures, prompting Oldiesfreak to attack their efforts as "too little, too late" while highlighting his longtime support of these policies.  The governor also proposes a large across the board tax cut, which Smith and Weatherboy both attack as "just a big giveaway to millionaires and billionaires."  With Oldiesfreak and Smith largely matching each other in the debates and voters seeing little difference between them, the final result proves to be one of the closest presidential elections in history.  Oldiesfreak wins a narrow 275-263 Electoral College majority with narrow victories in Ohio, Florida, and North Carolina; he also wins a razor-thin victory in the national popular vote, propelled by his inroads with moderate suburban voters in the Democrats' "top three" presidential states of California, Illinois, and New York.  Smith's Mormonism helps him to carry the close western states, particularly Nevada and Colorado.  Though he wins no electoral votes, Weatherman pulls in a large percentage of the vote in progressive strongholds such as Vermont, Minnesota, and Hawaii, prompting Democrats to accuse him of acting as a spoiler.

L. D. Smith mounts a moderate third party campaign against Oldiesfreak and myself, making the election a tossup for most of the season until the moderate defectors in various states make me the winner. Oldiesfreak could have also won under these circumstances, but I won because I made the map :P

P.S. I love this thread. Great thinking, weatherboy!! Such a fun thread (SKIP)

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Razze (D-Florida) - 417 EVs
ThatConservativeGuy (I-GA) -  66 EVs
OldiesFreak1854 (R-MI) - 55 EVs

OldiesFreak runs in an extremely crowded GOP primary field and manages to eek out a narrow win, but a sizable majority of the party is against his candidacy. Out of frustration with the lack of a true conservative on the ballot, ThatConservativeGuy launches an independent bid for the Presidency, fracturing the GOP. Razze runs a standard Democratic campaign with no gaffes and relative unity between the progressive and establishment wings of his party and coasts to victory.

Continuing the Communist takeover scenario I wrote from a few posts before.

It's 1984, and the country is saved from communism. President Razze is running for reelection, but the economy is still in turmoil from the four years of communism and society is even in more of a turmoil. The President refused to outlaw the communist party, however, his Vice President (me) teamed up with conservatives and moderates in congress to pass an amendment outlawing this party, along with nazi ones, overriding Razze's veto. As a response, Parrotguy is dumped from the ticket in 1984 and replaced by Senator George McGovern, accused (mostly wrongly) by many as a communist apologist. TCG, the Conservative candidate from 1980 who endorsed the Democratic-Republican ticket of Razze\Parrotguy, is running again, this time as nominee of the reestablished Republican Party. Parrotguy announces an independent bid, teaming up with a moderate Republican, frustrated by his party's rightward turn, John B. Anderson. But this mostly causes a fracture between social-democrats and liberals\moderates, allowing Republicans a decisive (though not huge, given Razze's popularity and the reluctant support he received from voters of the former Communist Party) win:

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Senator TCG\Senator Howard Baker- 40.3%, 283 Electoral Votes ✓
President Razze\Senator George McGovern- 169 37.6%, Electoral Votes
Vice President Parrotguy\Representative John B. Anderson- 21.2%, 86 Electoral Votes

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Parrotguy/Kirsten Gillibrand (D) 291 electoral votes, 40% popular vote
ThatConservativeGuy/Mitt Romney (R) 141 electoral votes, 37% popular vote
TexArkana/John Bel Edwards (I) 106 electoral votes, 22% popular vote

I run a populist, largely centrist campaign and spend most of my time campaigning all over the South, from Maryland to Texas, reaching out to rural blacks in the black belt and poor Hispanics in Texas, I tone down my perverted image and campaign as a socially liberal, fiscally moderate Independent, making special appeals to black voters based around the war on drugs and the negative effects that it's had on the African-American community, as well as emphasizing my ties to the community and sending my wife (I obviously have to marry her before I run for POTUS :P) to campaign across the black belt. at the same time, I make appeals to rural whites and have Bel Edwards campaign for me in more white areas of the Deep South, which allows me to win most Southern states. Parrotguy runs as a third-way Democrat with a strong focus on foreign policy and national security, while the TCG/Romney ticket runs as a "return to classical conservatism" after 8 years of Trump. in the end, Parrotguy narrowly wins the electoral college and a slim plurality of the popular vote, with TCG running close behind and me lingering in the low to mid 20's. the closest states are Florida, Louisiana, South Carolina, Arizona, and New Jersey, where my suburban appeal takes away from Parrotguy and almost hands the state to ThatConservativeGuy. a majority of states are decided by less than 10% due to my strong third party candidacy.

Democratic Primary

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MB
Parrotguy
TexArkana

Parrotguy and Texarkana split the centrist/establishment vote allowing me to win.

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MB
Ninja
Texarkana

Large amounts of vote splitting between Ninja and Texarkana divide the south and give most of the remaining states to the progressive MB.

Using the 2016 map for the General Election (presidency):

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Ninja0428 (D-SC): 208 EVs
FairBol (R-FL): 261 EVs
MB (I-OR): 69 EVs

FairBol wins the most electoral votes, but falls short of the 270 EVs needed to win election.  As such, the election is decided by the House of Representatives, who (assuming that the GOP controls the House such as IRL in 2016) elect FairBol as president. 

:)

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Ninja(D)
Fairboi(R)
Partisan(I)

With a mix of libertarian social values and a leftward lurch on economics, I run a strong campaign and steal votes away from ninja to help fairboi win the close states of NH,NV,CO, and FL

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I win, based on NPT and FairBoi splitting the right in NC, AZ, FL, NH, and NE-CD2...and my politics are an excellent fit in The Midwest.

Democratic primary: (Even though I'm not a Democrat)


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TexArkana
Razze
MB

I feel very generous giving TexArkana any electoral votes whatsoever.

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Senator TexArkana (D-VA) - 272 EVa
Governor KoopaDaQuick (R-IA) - 260 EVs
Governor Goldwater (I-NV) - 6 EVs

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Gov. KoopaDaQuick (R-IA)
Gov. Oldiesfreak1854 (R-MI)
Rep. Goldwater (R-CA)

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I didn't wanna just win easy again because I went up against two conservatives. Is this way okay? Seemed fun! The GE was very divisive and I probably said something offensive about non-coastal people or something.

I'll take Razze's idea – with two scenarios where I win.

Dem Primary
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MB
Razze

General Election

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MB – 317
Oldiesfreak – 221

I win several surprising victories in the mountain west while Oldiesfreak scores in the south.

Interestingly, this would also mark the first time since 1924 that the Republican won a contiguous block – since Alaska was won by a Democrat.

The race goes to the House, due to ReaganClinton being a spoiler.

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Democratic Primary
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Thumb21: 57%
ReaganClinton: 43%

General Election:
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Thumb21: 49%: 288 EV
Koopa: 45%: 250 EV

Primary: ()
Politician: 56%
Thumb21: 43%
General: ()
Politician: 50% 342 EV's
Koopa: 48% 196 EV's

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Koopa (R)
Politician (D)
TexArkana (B)

The election goes to the house, where Koopa wins pretty easily. I get the delegation of Virginia and no other states.

Democratic Primary:

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Politician: 65%
Thumb21: 35%

General Election:

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Politician: 53%: 417 EV
Texarkana: 38%: 121 EV

I get 80% in Mississippi while losing my home state?

- SKIP -

Not 80%, but I think Mississippi would be safe for you. In Virginia, your home state advantage and improved performance with minorities and suburbanites wouldn't be enough to offset the number of Trumpites who wouldn't turn out or write-in something.

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Dem primary
Thumb–49%
MB–48%
Ghost of TexArkana (RIP)–3%

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MB
thumb
L.D. Smith

Dem Primary:
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MormDem: 39%
MB: 37%
Thumb21: 24%

Brokered Convention. Although MormDem gets more votes, most of my delegates vote for MB, so he gets the nomination.

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ThatConservativeGuy - 342 EVs/50.7% PV
MormDem - 196 EVs/43.2% PV
Thumb21 - 0 EVs/7.5% PV

MormDem's social conservatism/Mormonism tampers progressive support for him, but keeps ThatConservativeGuy below 60% in Utah and a few Appalachian states. MormDem also does well in  in Nevada (with its sizable Mormon population) . Thumb, running as a more economically moderate, yet less socially conservative alternative to MormDem, siphons away votes from the Democratic nominee in several swing states and helps to give ThatConservativeGuy a large electoral win. 

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Thumb21 - 253 EVs/38% PV
Grassr00ts - 129 EVs/34% PV
ThatConservativeGuy - 156 EVs/28% PV


Thumb21 gets the dem nomination and runs a generic D campaign.

Moderate republican Grassroots barely makes it out of an extremely rigorous and long primary battle with the more base friendly ThatConservativeGuy, winning just enough delegates to power through the convention.

However, ThatConservativeGuy runs an aggressive socially conservative independent campaign, taking away Grassroots's support in the deep south and mountain west.

In the end, the election is sent to the house, and Thumb21 is elected president.

R primary: ()

TCG (green) beats Grassroots (blue).

General:
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Massguy: 318 EV'S, 51%
TCG: 220 EV'S, 47%

D Primary

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Massguy defeats L.D. Smith

General


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Massguy (D-MA)/L.D. Smith (D-CA) 290 EV, 50% pv
Grassroots (R-IL)/TCG (R-GA) 248 EV, 46% pv

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DEM PRIMARY
MormDem defeats Politician

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GENERAL ELECTION
Grassr00ts barely defeats MormDem

Primary; (thatcomsrvatoveguy was the last republican poster.)

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General election.


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Reform Revolution defeats Classic Republican

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AndriyValeriovich defeats Reform Revolution
(Unlikely scenario)


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Reform Revolution defeats AndriyValeriovich and ultra-left candidate
(Very likely scenario)

Democratic Primary

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43% Thumb21
37% AndriyValeriovich
20% Write-ins

Contested and controversial convention. I narrowly win after a few ballots.

General Election

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49% (399 EV) Thumb21
39% (139 EV) Classic Republican
6% (0 EV) Independent Conservative candidate
3% (0 EV) Green candidate
2% (0 EV) Libertarian candidate

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AndriyValeriovich - 271
DPKdebator - 165
Thumb21 - 102

bump

Democratic Primary
Hmm...a socially center left and fiscally center right against a socially center right and fiscally center left... I would probably get stomped.
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Election
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Dem primary - MB vs meepcheese16
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I'm definitely more left wing than you but probably more socon, so this would definitely be an interesting matchup. Anyway, I'd probably win in a modern primary (although you would've definitely won in 2016 or before).

General - MB vs dpkdebator
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You'd be a more effective Trump, so yeah...I'd be painted as too far left and also wouldn't get the Romney-Clinton suburbanites. Anyway, it'd be close, so I did a tied map.

Me vs MeepCheese16 (D primary)
One of us would win every state and the other would lose them all, because we'd be going after the same vote in the primary, with only one of us catching on. I think it would be me with the CA voter base, being slightly to your left, and not liking Knute Buehler.

Me vs MB (D primary)
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It would be close, but I think I'd have a narrow victory through the affluent urban whites, Latinos, Asian-Americans, and most? southern blacks.

Me vs Blairite:

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Me vs MB:
It would basically be an MB sweep as we're competing for the same voters and MB is way cooler then I am.

Democratic primary:
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MassGuy (D-MA) def. Blairite (D-CA)

General election:
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MassGuy (D-MA) (278 EV) def. Admiral President (R-NJ) (260 EV)

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I run an Independent Populist campaign, winning over alot of left, right and centre voters as well as turning out more people. Admiral President is seen as too Centrist and so many right wingers stay at home, although he does gain a few moderate Democrats.

Politician (D) - 34% - 199
Thumb21 (I) - 31% - 174
Admiral President (R) - 30% - 165

The result is very close and noone reaches 270.

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I run in the republican primaries but lose the nomination to Admiral President. Despite the fact I lost the nomination, I get angered at the nomination I lost and run third party. While I probably only get about 4 to 6 percent of the vote, I do steal enough votes from Admiral to give Thumb21 a narrow victory in the electoral college, and a 3 or 4 percent popular vote victory. I win Oregon because in the last couple of weeks in the election, I decide I want to win at the very least my home state in order to possibly throw the electoral college, pulling out a 2 percent or so victory there. I become the first third party in over half a century to win a state, and some of my supporters think I should run again, but since I cost Admiral the presidency, most people in the party are angry at me and outside or Oregon, my national political influence is dead

I Scenario

Democratic primaries
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AndriyValeriovich def. thumb21

General election
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AndriyValeriovich 310
morgankingsley 228


II Scenario

General election
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AndriyValeriovich 231
morgankingsley 203
thumb21 104

Morgankingsley and I are both moderates, so a primary between him and me running as a Republican would be very close. If there's a general election where one of us runs as an independent, then andjey wins in a 1912-esque scenario where the Republican vote is split:

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484 - 54

A General Election between me and Andriy would be weird, since we're both similar politically I think. In any case, I see two third party runs appearing, a left-democrat one against Andriy and a fiscal conservative one against me.

Scenario 1:

I defeat alancia in a close Republican primary election, and then go on to narrowly defeat ReaganClinton in the general election.

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DPKdebator: 274
ReaganClinton: 264


Scenario 2:

Alancia narrowly defeats me in a close Republican primary election. Facing ReaganClinton in the general election, Alancia does better in the South and Mountain West than me since he's more socially conservative, but his economic centrism costs him just enough Republican votes to lose in a squeaker.

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ReaganClinton: 278
Alancia: 260


Scenario 3:

A three-way election would end up having a weird result. Alancia would do well in the South because of his social conservatism. My coalition in this scenario would probably include moderate Republicans, working-class voters, and a good deal of the Midwest. ReaganClinton holds on a lot of the Democratic base, but some (especially progressives) might vote for a third party candidate due to dissatisfaction with his centrist views.

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Alancia: 205
ReaganClinton: 202
DPKdebator: 131

Republican Primary:
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DPKdebator - Green
HillGoose - Orange

I think you beat me pretty handily, although early on in the primary season it looks like I'm cruising to a win after New Hampshire, South Carolina, and Nevada, you regain your momentum in the Midwest, and end up absolutely blowing me out of the water in a lot of places that destroy my delegate count. I perform in the low 50s in most states I win, while you have a much stronger base. I'd expect the delegate count to be roughly 1,450 to 950 or somewhere around there.

General Election:
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ReaganClinton (D) - 396 EV, 41.3% PV
DPKdebator (R) - 108 EV, 36.7% PV
HillGoose (I) - 34 EV, 20.2% PV

After losing the Republican primary I suddenly decide that America needs my bizarre personal frankenstein ideology that seems kind of like libertarian neoconservatism (even though no one is really sure) and I campaign as an Independent. My base mostly consists of libertarians and wealthy suburbanites in the mountain west, netting me a few states but definitely spoiling the election, and throwing it to ReaganClinton massively.

Strangely enough, this would probably be one of the few times where I'm actually the liberal of the bunch, so for this one map, I will pretend like I am a democrat, Hillgoose is a independent, and DPK is the republican

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Hillgoose concentrates on the rural west, and picks up three states. Due to his sectionalist appeal, he managed to beat Thurmond's record for lowest scoring candidate to win electoral votes. Earning 2.2 percent of the vote. DPK picks up several states that would seem to vote for them over me or Hillgoose. I do really well in the democrat strongholds, and keep a relatively close race in the rust belt, perhaps even snagging the popular vote by about .5-.7 percent due to the republcian split, but DPK has a base that is too large to over throw and I lose in a electoral landslide

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Morgankingsley vs. Grassr00ts vs Hillgoose


Republican Primary:

Hillgoose wraps up some southern and western states. Morgankingsley wins the pacific and some other liberal states. Grassr00ts takes the rust belt and midwest, leading into a contested convention.

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R primary: Grassroots vs. Morgankingsley

Grassroots is easily able to paint morgankingsley as a coastal elitist moderate and confine his support mostly to the west and northeast, sweeping the rest of the country.
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Grassroots 290 - Sestak 248

Grassroots’ populist appeal and smattering of pro-labor positions helps him with working class voters, while my own lack of charisma among with California being my home state undermine my progressive credentials. Despite some late gaffes and scrutiny being placed on unpopular tax and austerity policies, he is able to narrowly hold onto the states of  Pennsylvania and Arizona, and wins the presidency.

Primary
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Grassroots wins the most conservative states, but I win the primary, because I am also quite conservative


GE

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In the general, I emphasize moderate stances on education, guns, and climate change, but I collapse in the Midwest, because I support free trade

D primary: JEC4P vs tack50

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I think I perform well in the Northeast and the Southwest and also win a couple more states, but I lose pretty much everywhere else.

General election: JEC4P vs S019

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JEC4P wins a close election.

SCENARIO I:

In a Republican primary, a contest between me and SNJC is close due to my unorthodox views and some of SNJC's more controversial positions on issues like guns. SNCJ does well in a lot of "very conservative" areas but loses a fair deal of hardcore conservatives because of some of his positions, while I have a coalition primarily based out of the Northeast, Midwest, and West Coast and narrowly beat SNJC.

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DPKdebator
Suburban New Jersey Conservative

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DPKdebator - 311 EV
tack50 - 227 EV

In a general election, I'd have a a coalition of blue-collar voters and decent suburban numbers that offset tack's appeal to Hispanics in the Sun Belt.



SCENARIO II:

In a three-way race, SNJC and I split the conservative vote and tack50 wins with a pretty large share of the EV.

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tack50 - 406 EV
Suburban New Jersey Conservative - 103 EV
DPKdebator - 29 EV

Primary

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Tack
Smith

Despite a strong start in Iowa, other challengers throw the race to Tack. Then NH is a blowout. Then SC. But I manage to stay in with Nevada...but ultimately, I mostly just end up a protest vote against Establishment Darling Tack. Eventually the money forces me out after Oregon comes up short.


General

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Krol: 278 EV, 49.3% pv
Smith 260 EV, 48.9% pv

A spirited, close campaign between Krol and me. Ultimately Krol wins out because my religious background creates a little distrust and minority turnout plummets, which flips over Wisconsin and Michigan. Also, the home-effect flips over New Hampshire and Maine.

Republican Primary:

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DPKDebator
HillGoose

DPKDebator starts strong, winning Iowa and New Hampshire, but I win South Carolina and the momentum of that win allows me to continue onward and perform well in more moderate, suburban and affluent Republican areas, or libertarian areas in the intermountain west, but I still end up falling short in the end.

General Election:

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DPKDebator: 280 EV, 48.2% PV
Smith: 258 EV, 47.9% PV

The anti-establishment campaigns of both candidates create a razor-thin election with a high third party vote. The most interesting dynamic is the western vs. eastern division, which becomes more apparent in this election than any coastal vs. midland or urban vs. rural divide that is typically more common in American politics.

Smith far overperforms for a Democrat in the intermountain west, particularly Utah and Idaho, both states with large Mormon populations, where Smith comes within single digits of DPKDebator and winning Arizona on the third-party vote drawing away from DPKDebator.

In the east, DPKDebator wins many midwestern states, due to a heavy presence of most of his base voters in those states, and reduced minority turnout. Smith still carries PA, IL, and MN, however. This was the death blow for Smith's campaign, which was relying on perceived strength in Ohio and Wisconsin to deliver them the election.

New England is perhaps the greatest surprise, as DPKDebator wins Maine-at-large, as well as New Hampshire (by comfortable margins) and is within a single percentage point of winning Rhode Island and within 5 of winning Vermont. The Bible Belt is a disaster for Smith, leading to Florida and North Carolina being called for DPKDebator early in the evening.

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I made a third party bid, helping appeal to the white male vote, which helps gives me several states in the deep south as well as Montana and a narrow victory in Minnesota. I lock in myself as the real serious contender in Oregon and Washington through home state appeal and maybe minor voter suppression. I don't even make it on the ballot in Utah, the only state I don't. Hillgoose almost dies in arkansas and every democrat cheers for that and pity votes let him sweep every single county in California in a memeslide and win that way

R primary:
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HillGoose targets the South, sunbelt and upscale suburbs; it works, but morgankinsley defeats him with a coalition of northern voters.

General:
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Both of us ignore the Sun Belt and compete in the Rust Belt...I take advantage of the anti-Republican climate and pull off a narrow win.

My socially liberal, pro establishment views lead to me being obliterated in the primary, other than an early win in NH, there isn't much good news until Super Tuesday


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General: Politician v Morgan Kinsley

Politician spends a lot of time in the Midwest and largely ignores the Sunbelt, morgankingsley thus, takes the opportunity to campaign in the Sunbelt. Politician manages to secure the Rust Belt, meanwhile, morgankingsley narrowly wins Nevada, due to his Sunbelt campaigning.

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Politician: 273 EV, 50.2%
Morgankingsley: 265 EV, 47.8%

D primary

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I win the young people vote by a large margin, win Hispanics, young Blacks and WWC vote while Politician consolidate the moderate, black, older and college educated people with a moderate pro-establishment campaign. I lose narrowly in the southwest, while narrowly winning in the mountain west and new england region, and winning big in the most northern states, because of populism.

Politician wins the primary

Politician vs S019

I endorse Politician, and Politician wins quite easily against socially liberal pro-establishment SO19 who can't generate much enthusiasm after the Trump era + fatigue.

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Politician 357 EV
S019 181 EV

Republican primary

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S019 takes most of my voter base early on (establishment, Reaganites, neocons, etc) and I go full libertarian and run a campaign mostly based on total government deregulation of all industries, ending gov subsidies, legalization of all drugs, protection of civilian ownership of any and all weapons, abolishing taxation (except sin taxes on sale of recreational hard drugs) as well as frequently ranting about how race doesn't exist and the government is covering up UFOs and missing persons cases. It doesn't pan out well, I win a handful of libertarian-heavy states in the intermountain west and am crushed everywhere else.

Lakigigar vs S019

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Lakigigar (D) - 290 EV, 48.1% PV
S019 (R) - 248 EV, 49.0% PV

Lak focuses on winning over the Rust Belt and East Coast, while S019 goes after retaking areas in the Sun Belt that Republicans had previously believed were lost, as well as expanding the map in the Northeast and Great Lakes. S019 runs a far more energetic campaign, and is able to win the popular vote, however in the end the electoral math ends up working against him, and a few thousand votes in Virginia, Ohio, and New Mexico end up flipping the election in Lakigigar's favor. Despite the win, Lakigigar's campaign is disappointed in not carrying Wisconsin, Indiana, and other northern states, but they did make significant inroads with their demographic base, keeping the margin within 10 percentage points in West Virginia and winning North Carolina outright.

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Sen. AndriyValeriovich (D-MN)
Sen. Lakigigar (D-VT)

General election

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Sen. AndriyValeriovich (D-MN)/Sen. Bob Casey Jr. (D-PA) 334 EVs
Sen. Hillgoose (R-TN)/Gov. Doug Ducey (R-AZ) 204 EVs

Primary:
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AndriyValeriovich sweeps me in the South and undercuts my appeal with the WWC, but I sweep white liberals - he wins narrowly.

General:
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AndriyValeriovich/John Bel Edwards wins with a populist coalition of the WWC and minorities, HillGoose/Nikki Haley sweeps upscale suburbs outside the Northeast and almost the entire sun belt. HillGoose comes within 15% in CA and carries TX by 20%.

Realistic but I don't understand how i would win NC. I think Democrats there are quite moderate, except for some cities. And I think I would win Colorado and NH. If Indiana and West Virginia is that close, I should also win Wisconsin, but pretty happy with that map. :)

In such a scenario, I expect more a map like that.

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with a surprise victory in Alaska, and losing Virginia because of a (very) populist progressive message.

Will make a map of Politician, AndreyValeriovich and Hillgoose later.

Democratic Primary: AndriyValeriovich vs Politician

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Politician wins the primary while AV wins the WWC vote, while winning black vote and social conservative Democrats and older Democrats. Politician wins the establishment, hispanics, liberals, college educated whites and young people.

General election:

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Politician 407 EV's
HillGoose 131 EV's

I think that I would win Texas in this primary, because Democrats in Texas are socially conservative

Well if you would win, your GE map (i still think you narrowly lose Texas, but maybe it's enough to win, especially if Texas is a close race).

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No offense to HillGoose but he would be a bad candidate for the Republicans. HillGoose is not your typical Republican, while you would be able to swing populist socially conservative / economically center / center-left / left-wing away from Republicans, just like historically while with Politician as VP be able to hold on to the current Democratic base.

HillGoose would be a Goldwater-like candidate. Someone who shape up the future his party, but not a winnable candidate.

Two GE maps in the case AV wins the D primary or Politician wins the primary. I announce my candidacy for the Republican Party and run on a hard protectionist, single-payer universal healthcare, pro-life, pro-death sentence, acceptance of LGBTQ candidates and recognizing same-sex marriage, the Green New Deal, building more nuclear energy, rebuilding our infrastructure, decreasing military expense, legalizing marijuana and pardonning criminals, buying Greenland, statehood for Puerto Rico, pro-Russia, anti-China, tough on hard crimes, libertarian on foreign policy candidate, very tough on immigration candidate platform. Basically a modern Theodore Roosevelt or a modern Huey Long type Republican. (i know he was a Democrat).

Lakigigar (Republican) vs AndritValeriovich (Democrat)

I don't know exactly your views, but based on your endorsements and your description socially conservative, economically liberal, it would be a close race. I would immediately tag you with the pro-establishment.

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It's probably a weird map, where AV wins mainly blacks, blue dogs, establishment republicans and modern liberals while I win Yang Gang type candidates, Trump Republicans, libertarians, non-partisan progressives / socialists, anti-government dudes and make inroads with hispanics, except in Florida.

AV / Politician 313 EV's
Lakigigar / Gabbard 225 EV's

Lakigigar (Republican) vs Politician (Democrat)

I see Politician as a mainstream establishment liberal

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Politician / Jared Polis 269 EV's
Lakigigar / Gabbard 269 EV's

Politician wins because some electors vote against their pledged candidates, and in my case pledge their vote for real conservatives like Evan McMullin, Ted Cruz and Mike Pence, as well as establishment Republicans like Colin Powell

Primary between Lakigigar, Politician and AV

AV is Red
Politician is blue
I'm Green

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AV wins the Democratic primary with his moderate and socially conservative message. Politician wins in states that favour the establishment while i win in states with many young people, hispanics and anti-establishment sentiment, supported by Sanders and Gabbard mainly.

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Lakgigar

The man is both the last two posters, how can I compete with that?

Two way primary Peebs and me

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Peebs wins Maryland and New Jersey

Democrat Lakigigar
Independent Andriy Valeriovich

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Closest states
Wisconsin
Iowa
North Dakota
Pennsylvania
New Hampshire
Connecticut

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SNJC as my running mate? lol

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Muaddib
ReaganClinton

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Lakigigar 283 EV's
Muaddib 253 EV's

I would have lost against ReaganClinton in a mini-landslide though. But Laki vs Muaddib is more like Sanders vs Cruz.

ReaganClinton
Muaddib
Lakigigar

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for Belgium

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Lakigigar runs to my left and wins the primary comfortably, gaining Bernie Sanders' endorsement and receiving the majority of grassroots support.

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Following Lakigigar's selection of Tulsi Gabbard as his running mate, ReaganClinton runs as a center-left independent and attracts the support of wealthy suburban Democrats. As no-one gains a majority, the election is thrown to the House, and Muaddib is elected president despite Lakigigar easily winning the popular vote. ReaganClinton becomes the most hated person in progressive circles.

Primaries

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I won a close contest against FDB in the Republican primaries.

General


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I win a comfortable victory over Politician in the general election. 335-203 thanks to my proximity to the Rust Belt. I campaigned in the west while Politician ignored the west due to his assumption that Nevada, Colorado and New Mexico were safely Democratic. I won in Nevada and Arizona and just barely lost in Colorado.

I targeted Virginia as a strategy against losing the Rust Belt and to show Atlas that Virginia is winnable for Republicans again. I pulled it off and also won in North Carolina, Georgia and Florida.

Politician targeted the Rust Belt. I held on to the Rust Belt thanks to me being from Ohio and running on Trump like platforms on the economy and taxes, I even took Minnesota with me and won Ohio by 15%.

I conceded New Hampshire and Maine at large thanks to Politician being from Massachusetts. ME-02 was much closer than in 2016 but I won ME-02 by 2%.

I won the national popular vote by almost 4%.

Results

538Electoral (R-OH) - 335 electoral votes, 50.7%
Politician (D-MA) - 203 electoral votes, 47.1%

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538Electoral (R-OH)
Grassr00ts (R-IL)
FDB (R-CT)

Primary:
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538Electoral wipes the floor as Grassroots constantly flip flops.

General:
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538Electoral runs as a moderate Republican and easily defeats my hardcore progressive campaign. He upsets me in VA, taking it by less than 1% as he extensively campaigns there while I ignore it thinking it is safely Democratic.

Primary

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Politician loses the primary as I am able to run as the establishment Democrat candidate


General:

Muaddib gets crushed due to his far right views

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S019/Tom Carper: 388 EV, 52.6%
Muaddib/Rob Portman: 150 EV, 46.8%

Primary:
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S019's views alienate the vast majority of the party, allowing me to coast to an easy win.

General:
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My #populist <3 campaign defeats Reaganete, who runs a campaign full of gaffes and is accused of far-right sympathy.

Good prediction. I would certainly not campaign in Florida, North Carolina or Arizona, but choose states like West-Virginia instead.

Lol

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Lakigigar (Moderatism, Populism, Protectionism)
Grassr00ts (Right wing populism, Paleoconservatism, Nationalism)
DeadPrez (Libertarianism, Economic liberalism, Social liberalism)

Republican Primary

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Deadprez's more libertarian style campaign ends up as appealing to much (but not all) of the West and Deadprez also manages to win California in an upset as well as his home state of Texas; which keeps him in the race for a while. He also is competitive in the Northeast.

However overall Grassr00ts just crushes him, winning the South and the Midwest by huge margins.

General election

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Grassr00ts: 49.9% PV; 311 Electoral Votes
Tack50: 49.0% PV; 227 Electoral Votes

The election ends up as a nailbiter. Grassr00ts has huge appeal in the midwest, easily flipping MN and holding easily PA, and especially MI and WI. His home state of Illinois is closer than in 2016 but I still carry it easily, albeit underwhelmingly.

This appeal allows benefits him in the Northeast, allowing him to flip ME and NH; with RI and DE being within single digits.

I get appeal among hispanics which allows me to flip AZ. Florida is surprisingly not that close and Grassr00ts holds it by around 3 points.

However he suffers a massive dropoff in Texas which ends up extremely close. In the end, Grassr00ts wins it by half a point; though it is not the tipping point state (that being NH for a 269-269 tie and FL for an actual win for me).

Going to do a re-election election campaign for Grassr00ts in a rematch against tack50.

I run against Grassr00ts saying that he was willing to vote for Biden against Trump in 2020 as a reason not to support him again. This backfired though as Grassr00ts continued to do very well and won every state against me in the Republican primary.

In the general, It wasn't close. Grassr00ts ran a really solid campaign appealing to both Trumpists and moderate Republicans as well as independents. tack50 ran against him again hoping that voters would view him as another Trumpist that voters would get sick of. This didn't work out as Grassr00ts went on to win an electoral landslide and a solid popular vote victory. He pulled off a historic upset in his home state of Illinois, winning it by 2% and setting the stage for Illinois' future as a swing state. Grassr00ts flipped every state that went to Clinton by less than 10% in 2016 and lost Connecticut, Rhode Island, New Jersey and Delaware by less than 5%. He also upset in Maine's 1st congressional district, winning it by less than 0.5%.

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376-162

Popular vote:

Grassr00ts: 53%
tack50: 45%

Democratic primary

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Not sure who would win in this scenario.
Tack50 would be strong among Hispanics and more left-wing voters, I would be strong among more moderate, old, African-American.

General election:

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Tack50 281
538Electoral 257

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Me 289
538Electoral 249

It's 2024.  

On the heels of an eight-year Trump Presidency, the Democratic Party is confident that the streak of no party serving three consecutive terms in office will continue.  Progressives rub their hands together in anticipation.  THIS election, they say, will be the one where they finally get their foot in the door.  

But as the primary season kicks off, it becomes clear that there is still a major rift in the party between old-school moderates and new-wave progressives.  The primaries are marred with controversy and in-party fighting come to a head at the convention. After no clear victor emerges amongst the two leading candidates, a compromise in the form of PQG is chosen.  PQG was elected House member for TX-23 in 2022 as a Republican (by far the most liberal Republican in Congress), but was essentially forced from the party for her middling political stances, changing her party registration in mid-2023. The convention erupts into boos and jeers; several state delegations walk out.  

"This is bull****," one angry delegate from Minnesota says to reporters, "we don't need another Republican in the White House!  A vote for PQG is a vote for fascism."  

A journalist informs him that PQG has voted with the Democrats more than any other Republican in the House (54.5% of all votes).  

"I don't care," the delegate answers, "she's a DINO.  What a travesty."  

Meanwhile, 538Electoral follows in Trump's footsteps, appealing to his conservative base and standard Republicans.  He has no trouble during the primaries and easily wins the nomination.  

As the election nears, it becomes clear that PQG isn't finding acceptance from either Republicans or Democrats.  Liberal Democrats balk at her voting record -- she was a lifelong Republican, after all. And Republicans equally distrust her political agenda.  Polling consistently predicts that the Republicans will hold the White House for another four years.  

Election Night follows her dismal polling; the networks declare 538Electoral the next President of the United States shortly before 9:30pm (right around the same time that PQG calls to concede).  

Talk Elections-red bastion states of Washington, Oregon, New Jersey, Delaware, Connecticut, and Rhode Island flip Atlas-blue...err...Talk Elections-blue.  There are even a few moments during the night when PQG's margin in California falls below 5.0% (though she ultimately hangs on to win by 7.2%).  It is not necessarily because the Republican turnout was extremely high or enthused, but rather because scores of Democrats stayed home, disgusted with the nomination.

Nevertheless, 538Electoral takes the stage to a thunderous crowd of his supporters and celebrates victory, while the Democrats settle in for another four years of a Trumpistic presidency.  

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538Electoral (R-OH): 402
PQG (D-TX): 136

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AndriyValeriovich is able to appeal to on-the-fence moderates and the remaining coalition of blue-dog Dems.  They end up swinging to him instead of PQG by a sizable margin.  

IOW: PQG spends too much campaign time trying to appeal to the Bible Belt, a region that isn't in love with her liberal Republicanism.  Her attempts to capitalize on crossover voters fails.  

"Just can't vote for her," said a reliably-Republican 73-year old Arizonan, "she's just too damn liberal for me.  I said during the primaries that if Tom Cotton didn't get the nomination, I'd vote for Andriy."

"I won't vote Republican," replied a 20-something grad student at UMass Amherst, "I can't.  I don't like either one of them.  But he's better than any Republican."  

She gets destroyed on Election Night and calls AV shortly before 11:00pm EST to graciously concede.  

The shock state of the night is Montana, going to AV by 0.23%.  And PQG only manages to win her home state of Texas by 1.02%, thanks primarily to an unexpected Republican surge of the Hispanic vote around Travis County.  

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AndriyValeriovich (D-UKR): 378
PQG (R-TX): 160

Primary:

Although Penn_Quaker_Girl does well in some of the early states, I run to her right and win overall.

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General:

I actually didn't mean for it to come out this way, but Andriy and I tie 269-269 after he overperforms in the Rust Belt, while I do better in the Sun Belt

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Republican Nomination

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Sen. Dean Heller (National Conservatism, Economic Liberalism)
Grassr00ts (Right wing populism, Nationalism)
Penn_Quaker_Girl (Liberal Conservatism, Classic Liberalism)

Sen. Dean Heller is able to run a middle road campaign while facing attacks from both the left (PQG) and right (Me) wings of the party. PQG runs a moderate campaign and wins most of New England and northern urban areas. I run a populist campaign and win a decent chunk of the south and midwest, including the Iowa caucus, however I am damaged by my own rhetoric and am forced to drop out after losing my own state of Illinois. SDH is able to carry the east coast and sweep the west, allowing him to easily become the nominee.

Amn't I more right wing than you on both columns of the chart?

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Grassroots wins the nomination over Heller but I pull off one single victory in the primary with my home state

Economically, yes. Socially, no.

Socially, you're +2.09, and I'm plus 1.57

A big part of that is foreign policy IIRC?

Yes. If you factor out foreign policy, I am probably much higher.

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lfromnj wins the primary with relative ease


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Lfromnj's promises to privatize social security among other things are unpopular, and I win with relatively ease

S019 - 213
Grassr00ts - 167
T'Chenka - 158

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Easy.

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I win the Democratic primary. By a lot. S019's version of an ITALIAN FUTURE with no drugs, sex, or alcohol doesn't play well outside the Northeast. T'Chenka manages to win some border states by bussing in illegal Canadian votes. But I play it smart and somehow win the party establishment support. It's just sliding to victory from there.

Jesus Christ, I forgot that those were his policies. If I re-did my map knowing that, I'd be POTUS.

MB third party run mostly just causes vote splitting on the left, but my views are such a poor fit for the Midwest and Northeast that TChenka is just barely able to get a plurality of the EVs, though it's also just barely not enough to win the election outright.

Goldwater runs as a Republican (after making a Romney-esque pivot on muh social issues) whereas I and King T'Chenka split the Democratic-leaning vote.
50 state sweep for Goldwater (although Hawaii and Vermont are very close, almost three-way ties) and T'Chenka wins D.C. - no need for a map.

I run a 3rd party in protest to liberalization of both nominees. The result ends up playing a spoiler, giving Goldwater access to The West and Northeast, T'chenka into Utah and The South. I put lots of Midwest states into play for both sides and flip Maine.

Ultimately the difference is Georgia, with a split in Atlanta cancelling out a ton of gains in rural areas, so Goldwater wins.

Am I a joke to you? :(

You posted while I was making my map.

But eh, it'd likely be a name change anyway.

It is a very long three way primary between me, Battista, and L.D. Smith for the Democratic nomination, neither side is able to gain much momentum, until late, when big wins in GA and NY help my campaign, and the wins in NY and NJ secure the nomination, though there is probably some lingering primary tension after the primary.

FDB landslide after АndriуValeriovich and I split the liberal/progressive/Democratic/moderate vote virtually down the middle. Only the most left-leaning states are able won by either of us. I win New Jersey by less than 2,000 votes due to my home-advantage. Andriy manages to narrowly win California and Hawaii (I'm imaging them as being a West-coast politician in this scenario).

FDB walks away with the biggest electoral landslide since 1988 and an overwhelming plurality of the popular vote (~46%). I get about 29% and Andriy gets 25%.

I win because independents rarely do well and Ferguson97 is too #woke to appeal to the Rust Belt.

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Ferguson 97 (D-NJ)/Michelle Grisham (D-NM): 332 E.V./51.3%
Greg The Great (R-NY)/Josh Hawley (R-MO): 206 E.V./47.2%

Despite being a strong candidate and winning areas thought to have previously be unwinnable, Greg The Great defeats Ferguson 97, who chooses Michelle Grisham to appeal to Hispanic/Latinos. His plan worked and they ended up winning, as The Sun Belt revolted against Greg The Great's genius populist platform of bringing back manufacturing and mining jobs, as well as supporting breaking up big tech/big business and ending the endless overseas war, along with traditional stances on social issues.

Closest state (Ferguson '97): Maine at. lg: .16%
Greg The Great: South Carolina 1.18%

Homestate Stats:
New York, homestate of Grge The Great: 59-36 Ferguson
New Jersey, homestate of Ferguson '97: 60-37 Ferguson
New Mexico, homestate of Michelle Grisham: 51-46 Ferguson
Missouri, homestate of Josh Hawley: 64/34 Greg

Ferguson 97's slogan: Greg's Not Great
Greg The Great's slogan: Build back manufacturing better.

Well, considering both GregTheGreat and Old School Democrat have both shown themselves to be right leaning, I'll have to run as a Democrat in this case.

The GOP primary starts out as an interesting battle. OSD wins Iowa and New Hampshire but GregTheGreat charges forward with wins in Nevada and South Carolina.

GregTheGreat is able to beat out OSD for the nomination if only because he sticks out as probably a bit more Trumpist in comparison to OSD.



Time for the general, To make it fair I will give out a scenario in which I win and one in which Greg wins.

I win:



I win Ohio by under 20,000 votes thanks to home state advantage and being able to sympathize with some WWC issues very well. Greg for his part does well in places I'd probably be weak in such as Nevada.

Greg wins:



My centrism is not enough for an angry Republican base after a pretty unsuccessful Biden presidency. Greg not only beats me in my home state, but also Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Maine and even Virginia by under 10,000 votes. For my part, I'm able to hold on to Michigan by under 20,000 votes as my Rust Belt roots still carry some merit there.

For all future posters, you can have me represent whatever party of your choosing. be for the primaries or the general.

Chips would probably win, due to being seen as the most moderate of us, while my being the most conservative helps me place second. OldSchoolDemocrat is able to pull off miracles in Maine, Massachusetts, and Rhode Island.

Chips vs GregTheGreat vs Me

Assuming all three of us run in a Republican primary:

Not that I’m a good candidate or anything but you guys would kinda split the GOP vote (ignore the margins, I just forgot to change them)

Primary vs DPK


General election vs. Liam

GOP primary against Grassr00ts:


General election vs. Liam:

Me and Greg appeal to similar voting blocs, so Grassr00ts sweeps most states in a Republican primary.

I'd have to run as a left-wing nationalist in this case, deemphasizing my views on most cultural issues. DPK Debator gets about 3-4% of the P.V. and is enough to flip some states in both directions, while GTG's temporary moratorium on immigration significantly harms him with Latino voters.

DPKdebator is narrowly elected by the House after several rounds of voting and backroom negotiations between the party leaders. I think Christian Man would probably be selected as VP in the Senate and would win some policy concessions from DPKdebator. In theory I could have cut a deal with DPKdebator ITTL (before the electoral college vote), but this is impossible IRL due to faithless elector laws.

West Midlander wins

WestMidlander would not win any electoral votes, due to his ideology being quite similar to mine

I’d say this is more realistic

West Midlander takes advantage of the divided left, trouncing both opponents Governor Scott and Senator Anarcho-Statism. For the left, this election shows a stark contrast between left-coast New Left liberalism and more establishment-oriented Old Left liberalism in the East.

Dunno, I know I'm pretty obscure and I look the part of a New Left activist, but we might share a lane more than you think. Actually just moved back to California (hate it) from suburban Texas and spent most of my life there and in rural Florida, Nevada, and Oregon. I'd probably have a hard time in the Pacific states on account of being uncompromisingly pro-gun and not really cheerleading for abortion, and I lean into the Old Left syndicalist-influenced tradition in that I see unions as the basic organizing unit and vehicle in the American path to socialism more than political parties or student groups. I support the Green New Deal mostly as a means of revitalizing the organized labor this country has such a rich history of.

Sorry for the wall of text, just never introduced myself lol

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With only subtle differences on economics, it turned into an election purely based on social issues and foreign policy. Scott gained the SE due to regional appeal, while I did well in the Midwest because of my running mate's appeal. Anarcho Statism ran as a protest candidate having lost to Scott in the primary but developed a strong following that cost Scott 3 states and initially the E.C.


Scott ended up winning thanks to the House.

I win the National Democratic Primary while Scott ran as the centrist candidate taking votes away from both parties

My campaign ends up mostly taking away votes from Classic Liminal, leading Christian Man to win various somewhat swingy Democratic leaning states.

Lawer wins the D nomination, Goldwater somehow wins the R nomination, and I offer a more conservative alternative smh to either. It's all so very polarized so I don't get far, but lucky for me, Goldwater insulted a lot sensible cold-weather people.