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Title: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: mds32 on May 22, 2018, 10:34:16 PM
Missouri
Senate

Hawley (R) 50%
McCaskill (D) 43%

Peterson (R) 56%
McCaskill (D) 40%

https://www.news-leader.com/story/news/politics/elections/2018/05/22/missouri-gop-senate-candidate-touts-polling-republican-josh-hawley-against-sen-claire-mccaskill/633366002/


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: KingSweden on May 22, 2018, 10:39:01 PM
“Peterson internal”


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: krazen1211 on May 22, 2018, 11:26:35 PM
This polls shows encouraging results for Petersen. As a Republican, I am happy.


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: Sestak on May 22, 2018, 11:27:53 PM
Well Austin, you tried.


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: Pollster on May 22, 2018, 11:42:08 PM
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Petersen's campaign said this is the first poll it conducted and that it paid $2,000 to Gravis.

The quality of the poll is evident from the price tag.


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on May 23, 2018, 12:01:43 AM

This without a doubt! (Do I really have to /s?)


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon on May 23, 2018, 12:08:39 AM
The Hawley numbers are somewhat believable, but sorry Petersen, you would not Blanche McCaskill. LOL.


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: Politician on May 23, 2018, 06:19:24 AM
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Petersen's campaign said this is the first poll it conducted and that it paid $2,000 to Gravis.

The quality of the poll is evident from the price tag.


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: Politician on May 23, 2018, 06:19:52 AM
The Hawley numbers are somewhat believable, but sorry Petersen, you would not Blanche McCaskill. LOL.
If the poll showed McCaskill up by double digits you'd say "OH it can't be true McCaskill will get blanched"


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: scutosaurus on May 23, 2018, 08:05:46 AM


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: cvparty on May 23, 2018, 09:13:41 AM
oMg SAFe R


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: Sir Mohamed on May 23, 2018, 09:33:35 AM
Junk poll, like almost all internals.


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: TheRocketRaccoon on May 23, 2018, 10:27:00 AM
The Hawley numbers are somewhat believable, but sorry Petersen, you would not Blanche McCaskill. LOL.
If the poll showed McCaskill up by double digits you'd say "OH it can't be true McCaskill will get blanched"


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: ON Progressive on May 23, 2018, 10:44:40 AM


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: CityofSinners on May 23, 2018, 10:53:19 AM


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: Skunk on May 23, 2018, 12:00:18 PM
Probably tapped into all the undecided furries. ;)


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: heatcharger on May 23, 2018, 12:03:00 PM
Why hasn't mds32 been stripped of database entry? Disgusting that this poll was entered. We're supposed to be better than (R)CP.


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: UncleSam on May 23, 2018, 12:07:18 PM
Gravis is roughly as bad a pollster as PPP (as much as Atlas denied that fact), but that’s not even the worst thing about this poll. The worst thing about this poll is the release bias. Who knows how many surveys Peterson commissioned at 2k a crack before getting something he wanted to release. I would assume that this poll is at least two standard deviations above the mean.


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: Pollster on May 23, 2018, 12:09:18 PM
Looking more closely at this: it was conducted in one (1) day yet has a sample size that would normally take 3-4 days under Gravis' methodology. My guess is this is a much smaller sample (probably somewhere between 180-200) heavily weighted to appear larger. This is not uncommon for internal polling conducted solely to generate fundraising/media.


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: KingSweden on May 23, 2018, 12:11:00 PM
Gravis is roughly as bad a pollster as PPP (as much as Atlas denied that fact), but that’s not even the worst thing about this poll. The worst thing about this poll is the release bias. Who knows how many surveys Peterson commissioned at 2k a crack before getting something he wanted to release. I would assume that this poll is at least two standard deviations above the mean.

You know you may be onto something


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: brand_allen on May 25, 2018, 03:36:09 PM
So apparently Gravis has released extra information from this poll a couple of days after it's initial release.

They peg Trump's job approval rating...in Missouri...at near 70% (68/31%).

They peg scandal-ridden governor Eric Greitens with a positive 55/39% job approval rating.

Again, this from the same pollster that found Trump with a higher fav rating in California (47/51%) than in Indiana (44/51%).


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: brand_allen on May 25, 2018, 03:36:36 PM
Here's the link (since I can finally post them): https://www.austinpetersen.com/gravis_poll


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: Pollster on May 25, 2018, 04:22:38 PM
They peg Trump's job approval rating...in Missouri...at near 70% (68/31%).

Obviously this poll is a methodological disaster and therefore useless, but to put this in perspective: they have McCaskill trailing Hawley by single digits among a sample where Trump is +37.


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: brand_allen on May 25, 2018, 06:20:59 PM
They peg Trump's job approval rating...in Missouri...at near 70% (68/31%).

Obviously this poll is a methodological disaster and therefore useless, but to put this in perspective: they have McCaskill trailing Hawley by single digits among a sample where Trump is +37.

Gov. Greitens job approval rating in polling conducted this year:

Morning Consult, 1/1-3/31, 40/39%, Net: +1
Mason Dixon, 4/4-5, 41/47%, Net: -6
TJP Strategies, 4/19-20, 37/51%, Net: -14
Emerson College, 4/26-29, 33/46%, Net: -13
TJP Strategies, 5/9-10, 34/53%, Net: -19

Gravis Marketing: 5/16-16, 55/39%, Net: +16

Which one of these is not like the other ones? Plus, the news surrounding the scandal has worsened for him, not improved. Really, I'm surprised Gravis even released these numbers. They've had some questionable survey results over the years, but the last few polls they've put out have been preposterous. This sort of stuff causes legit reputational damage.


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: Lachi on May 25, 2018, 07:32:16 PM
Ok, can we have this poll removed from the average and strip mds of the ability to input polling data?


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: ON Progressive on May 25, 2018, 07:33:10 PM
Ok, can we have this poll removed from the average and strip mds of the ability to input polling data?


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: Politician on May 25, 2018, 08:13:11 PM
Ok, can we have this poll removed from the average and strip mds of the ability to input polling data?


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: _ on May 25, 2018, 08:17:38 PM
>GRAVIS


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: Devout Centrist on May 25, 2018, 10:11:11 PM
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Peterson (R) 56%
McCaskill (D) 40%

Would not surprise me if Gravis intentionally inflates its internal polling. I doubt that 56% of Missourians have even heard of Austin Petersen.


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: Ebsy on May 26, 2018, 01:28:51 PM
I see that the OP has again added an internal poll to the database. Why is this tolerated?


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: Doimper on May 26, 2018, 02:03:49 PM


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS on May 26, 2018, 02:49:00 PM


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: Young Conservative on May 26, 2018, 04:03:25 PM
This dude can't even do an internal right.


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on May 26, 2018, 04:08:32 PM


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner on May 27, 2018, 09:41:21 PM


Title: Re: Missouri-Gravis Marketing Hawley Leads 50-43 in Peterson (R) Internal
Post by: CatoMinor on May 27, 2018, 10:14:19 PM
Petersen has had one of the best lines in  a campaign ad this cycle. "If you like your Attorney General, you can keep him."