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Title: Legislation: National Bank Act of 1791 (Defeated)
Post by: Lumine on July 30, 2018, 05:48:28 PM
The National Bank Act, 1791

Be it resolved,


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1. A National Bank, to be known as The Bank of the United States, shall be established and constructed in the Nation’s seat of Government. It shall be chartered for twenty years, at which point it shall be up to Congress to be renewed.

2. The Bank of the United States shall serve as both a repository for Federal Funds, as well as an agent in providing credit.

3. The capital stock of the Bank shall not exceed ten million dollars, which shall be divided into twenty-five thousand shares of four-hundred dollars a piece. These shares shall be available for subscription six months after the passage of this act. Both individuals as well as political entities may subscribe to shares.

4. The amount of each share shall be payable in one-fourth silver and gold coin, and in three-fourths of the public debt, which shall have an accruing interest of six percent per annum.

5. The sums subscribed to shall be payable in four parts with a time of six months between each payment. The first payment shall be made at the time of subscription. If there shall be any failure of payment, the purchaser shall lose the benefit of any dividend earned.

6. The total debts of the bank shall never exceed its stock of capital. In the event of excess debt, the Directors of the Bank shall be held privately responsible in recouping the debts incurred.

7. The Bank shall be managed by a total of twenty-five Directors, one of whom shall be President of the Bank. Only a stockholder and citizen of the United States may become a Director.

8. Directors shall be elected by stockholders in the bank, with the votes of stockholders being proportional to the number of shares he holds. Once elected, Directors shall hold a vote amongst themselves to elect the President of the Bank. Directors shall be re-elected yearly.

9. Directors of the Bank shall be responsible for conducting official business of the Bank, as well as providing the Secretary of Treasury with monthly statements of the Bank’s capital stock, debts, cash on hand, and notes in circulation. The Department of Treasury shall have the right to inspect the general account of the books of the bank.

10. The Bank shall issue bills and notes which shall be payable on demand in equal amounts of gold and silver. These bills shall be accepted as legal tender throughout the United States.

11. No similar institution shall be established in any future Act by the United States while this Bank is chartered. Offices of this bank, however, are lawful to establish across the United States, where subscription and deposit can be made.

12. The President of the United States shall be authorized to make a subscription on behalf of the United States into stock held by the bank. The size of this subscription shall not exceed two million dollars.

From the Sponsor:

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Gentlemen, creating a National Mint and Coinage is simply the first step to economic security. For this nation to manage its economy at a federal level, truly ease the burden of our war debts, and create a true flow of capital and wealth across our lands, we are in need of a Nation Bank. By creating a currency of bills and notes, allowing for subscription to our shares at a six percent interest rate, and by having both private and public oversight, this bank is truly an instrument needed to guide us towards prosperity. The plan may be ambitious, but a bold plan is needed to truly grapple with our nation's debt woes once and for all.

I yield.


Title: Re: Legislation: National Coinage Act of 1791 (Opposition)
Post by: Galaxie on July 30, 2018, 05:58:39 PM
Mr. Speaker,

Our United States are in desperate need of a financial institution with the stature and ability to conduct fiscal affairs and alleviate our debt. State-level banks have only sewn more chaos in our financial system, and have done little to pay off our war debts.

This National Bank, which shall be established in our new Seat of Government, the District of Columbia, provides a solution to these woes. It further establishes a unified national currency that supersedes the many currently established by our states. It has a capital ceiling much higher than any state bank, allowing for large movement and growth, and it creates a system in which private shareholders and the Department of Treasury work together to lead fiscal growth and manage our Bank.

Fear not of the increase in federal burden that this bank creates, for it is absolutely needed to ensure financial security and stability. There is only only way for us to take on this debt, gentlemen, and that is through a national entity as described above. May we remain steadfast and bold in our action taken on this debt, and understand that a move as bold as this is ultimately needed.

I yield.


Title: Re: Legislation: National Bank Act of 1791 (Opposition)
Post by: _ on August 02, 2018, 02:49:15 PM
Mr. Speaker,

I stand myself fully opposed to the very idea of this legislation, for this legislation would destroy self-government and our already fragile fiscal stability.

As the Whig Paper the "Independent Chronicle" has stated, this legislation would seize from individual states their ability to manage their own fiscal affairs and instead subject this entire nation to having their fiscal affairs such as debt and funds managed by a group of elected elites, much like the nobility in nations such as Britain. 

In regards to our fiscal stability, this legislation shall create another large growth in federal expenditure, as well as put our funds in the hands of an unchecked nobility that will be completely free of review by the people and their representatives.  What is to stop this nobility from enriching themselves through leeching upon our nation's funds?  Should this legislation pass, it is almost certain that further taxation will be required on the people of this nation, in order to fill the pockets of these nobles.  It is truly unsurprising that the Gentleman from Pennsylvania proposed this legislation, and this should serve as proof that the Gentleman and his faction are loyal to the nobility of Britain rather than our United States. 

I urge my fellow Patriots and Deputies to strike down this legislation immediately, lest we subject ourselves to the same rule we fought to free ourselves from in our revolution.

I yield.


Title: Re: Legislation: National Bank Act of 1791 (Opposition)
Post by: Donerail on August 05, 2018, 09:03:00 PM
Mr. Speaker,

The Western faction is wholeheartedly opposed to this legislation and will oppose it to the end.

I yield.


Title: Re: Legislation: National Bank Act of 1791 (Opposition)
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on August 05, 2018, 09:32:23 PM
Mr. Speaker;

I rise in opposition to this legislation. Not only do I associate myself with the concerns of my colleagues about the encroachment on our autonomy, but also the odious and nefarious prospect of corruption that will surely arise. We fought triumphantly to shatter the bonds of tyranny, and I just neither the federal government nor the bank proper to keep themselves in the spirit of transparency that this legislation demands, but cannot provide.

I yield.


Title: Re: Legislation: National Bank Act of 1791 (Opposition)
Post by: Unconditional Surrender Truman on August 06, 2018, 06:20:26 PM
Mr. Speaker,

In his remarks on the offered legislation, the gentleman from Pennsylvania enters several novel arguments for its adoption, which may not be allowed to remain uncorrected. I do not wish to malign the character of their proposer, or his motives, which I am sure, and will believe until forced to conclude otherwise, are pure. Nevertheless, the arguments submitted are, in their substance and accidents, totally false—whether from ignorance or intent I will not speculate—for which reason I offer my rebuttal.
     On the British character of the Bank, the gentleman has little to say, except to affirm what is already commonly known, namely, that he looks to the British system of politics and society as a model by which to transform his own country. This admiration, says he, is of uniquely American character: for our constitution is itself an unremarkable plagiarism of the British political system. With this thesis, he reveals himself a man whose theoretical comprehension of the British system of politics is rivaled in its complexity by that of a child. His thesis, that our National Assembly is, in its essence, a ‘mere copy’ of the English legislature, is so absurdly simplistic that even the most cursory examination of our respective forms of government may at once disprove it. Whereas the members of Parliament are chosen from districts corrupted and rotted by age, some with only a dozen or so inhabitants, their boundaries drawn to satisfy their incumbents designs to re-election, the constituencies of our National Assembly are founded on a fair and reliable census, equal in population, and revised once decennially to reflect the actual state of the country and her inhabitants. The result, is that while the British Parliament is a farce of self-government, as removed from the voice of the people as man from his Creator after the Fall, our Congress is the choice and the servant of her constituents, answerable to their wants and opinions, and subject to regular and democratic review.
     Our methods of proceedings are as different from those of the Parliament of Great Britain as is our President from the Sultan of Turkey. Our Senate is not a hereditary House of Lords, but an assembly of worthies, free citizens chosen at regular intervals according to the votes of the constituent legislatures. Our president does not ride in a gilded carriage, attended by courtiers, to address the parliament from a throne, but the humble citizen of a republic, chosen not by heredity but by the votes of his neighbors, their servant, and not he theirs. Where the constituent dominions of the United Kingdom withhold nothing in rights from the central legislature, our States retain their independence and sovereignty after the advent of federal power. And while the office of prime minister is universally considered to not even exist by the authorities on British constitutional law, or if it does to be a grave affront to the British Constitution, our First Secretary is established prominently in our federal charter, with powers and duties clearly prescribed by law.
     It is, in short, the British and American systems of government are as different in their substance and accidents as to make such a statement, as to the effect that our federal system is in any way a copy of the British Constitution, an absurd and ignorant falsehood. What resemblances exist, between our form of government and theirs, are so superficial and vulgar as to compare the governments of any two states on the face of the Earth. If the gentleman had observed, that the English Constitution were a mere copy of the Turkish Sultanate, because both have a monarch and administer a large empire, he would be denounced as a fool, though he would be no more wrong than he is now.
     The gentleman then states, with a similar veracity, that the directors of the Bank will be democratically elected—by the shareholders of the Bank itself. His own sentence betrays him, as a contradiction of terms. Democracy—from Greek, demokratia—is by definition the ‘rule of the common people;’ yet it is not the people who will elect the Directory of this Bank, but the class of financiers and speculators who compose a tiny elite in but a few of our constituent States. To declare such a process approaches anything resembling democracy, is to accuse the Estates-General of France, the Court of the Imperial Csar, and the monarchies of the Barbary States of democracy. In his frequent invocation of the word to describe systems and forms not remotely resembling the Constitution of Athens, the gentleman shows himself to be either a bad liar, or a bad scholar.
     He protests that the government of the Bank will be carried out by the people, according to their inclinations; either he has never met a man whose income was less than $3,000 a year, or he is engaged in a deception so bold it is shocking even to speak of it. The Bank will be governed by its shareholders, in short, by the monied interests: bankers and speculators and hawking financiers. It will be responsive only to them, because it is accountable only to them. The States, the people, the National Assembly are to have no voice in the direction or management of this monstrosity. The inevitable result, is the establishment of an aristocracy of wealth, of who the financial policy of the United States is the exclusive domain and possession. It may not be expected that the whole or even the majority of Americans should be qualified as shareholders; even less likely that such a minority shall include equal parts Northerners and Southerners, merchants and yeomen. The directors of the Bank are to be chosen in practice by and from the monied interest, and therefore the monetary policy is to be surrendered to a distinct minority whose constitution is entirely unrepresentative of the general public; in short, it is not a public organ, but a private one. An administration is not accountable to the people, unless it may be removed by the people—the whole people, not only those who reap their living investing the earned fortunes of other men.
     If his previous arguments may cause us to wonder whether the gentleman from Pennsylvania is at all acquainted with the law and history which he invokes, what follows would seem to indicate, that his obsession with increasing the power of the central authority has blinded him to the true nature of civil self-government. He protests the Bank is necessary, because only by its finance may the country find sufficient funds for such needful measures and internal improvements as to strengthen the bands of Union. This is plainly not so. Whatever the promoters of this scheme in Congress may say, it was not the States, but the central government, which proved least able to maintain a stable currency in the last Confederation. Likewise, it is the State banks, and not the monstrosity that a National Bank must be, that are both more dependable and more responsive to the wants and needs of the people. The gentleman seems to believe that only by the total elimination of State power, in favor of the increase of federal Authority, may stable markets and sound national currency be established. Yet there is no reason, why the necessary functions with which he invests this Bank may not be answered by the Treasury or the Mint, and the others devolved upon the States, who by their nature and proximity to the people are best suited to meet the immediate needs of the country. The one difference between this program, and the proposed scheme of a National Bank, is that the former is founded upon institutions democratically elected and responsive to the whole people and all the States, while the latter is separate from all oversight by the States or the National Assembly, and is appointed by only part of the people.
     No republican system may exist, but that the coinage of legal currency is controlled by the legislature and the responsible ministers of the Government. Yet the considered legislation would vest this power in an unelected directory responsible, not to the States or the votes of the people, but to the monied interest of the country—who are themselves answerable to their British creditors. The effect of this policy is to remove from the National Assembly control of the Union’s supply of currency, and to place it in the hands of the interested class whose fortunes and livelihoods are directly dependent on the merchant class of Great Britain. It is no difficult conclusion to reach, that they will therefore be more inclined to decide according to their own interests—to the satisfaction of their creditors—before the national interest, with predictable results for the welfare of the Country.
     A bank, in summary, by very definition of its being, exists for the benefit of its creditors. The creditors of this Bank are not to be the American people, as the gentleman from Pennsylvania insists, but a fraction of them: the financial class. A National Bank, will therefore benefit the monied interest—and their creditors, the merchant class of Great Britain—at the expense of depriving the inhabitants of America of their Liberty, and the States of their sovereignty. The aim of any republican Constitution should be to produce balance between the States and the federal Power, between Northern and Southern members, between the many and the few. This bill proposes to disrupt the balance of our Union by shifting the scales in favor of the latter, at the expense of the former. Such a policy may not be admitted, and all Whigs, indeed all thinking men, must find in it a policy wholly unsuited for this Country.

I vote that the measure brought by the gentleman from Pennsylvania be defeated, and so advise all Whigs.


Title: Re: Legislation: National Bank Act of 1791 (Opposition)
Post by: Galaxie on August 06, 2018, 06:28:46 PM
Mr. Speaker,

Gentleman, the opposition to this bill is noted, and there is only so much that repeating ourselves can accomplish.

What we cannot argue, however, is that we are a nation in an economic crisis that will continue to grow in scale and immediacy unless action is taken.

Is there any way to amend this Act to make it friendly to those opposed, and if not, why have the opposed not offered their own plans for economic revitalization? Surely we cannot be the only Faction concerned about this.

Gentlemen, I extend the most sincere invitation to compromise on this Act for the good of the nation. I ask that you accept it so that a more constructive dialogue can begin, and that our nation may regain financial stability.

I yield.


Title: Re: Legislation: National Bank Act of 1791 (Opposition)
Post by: Lumine on August 09, 2018, 12:55:45 AM
Debate having been closed, the Speaker called for a vote:

National Assembly Vote:

Moving into the final vote, the result was 25 in favor, 53 against, 2 abstentions.

The bill was rejected.