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Election Archive => 2018 Senatorial Election Polls => Topic started by: The Other Castro on September 20, 2018, 05:15:25 PM



Title: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: The Other Castro on September 20, 2018, 05:15:25 PM
Ted Cruz - 48%
Beto O'Rourke - 45%

Trump approval: 47-50

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The poll was conducted September 19th and 20th among 613 Texas registered voters. The survey has a margin of sampling error of +/- 4 percent.

PPP survey commissioned by Protect Our Care.

https://www.protectourcare.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Texas-Protect-Our-Care-Sept-18-2-Results.pdf


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: windjammer on September 20, 2018, 05:19:03 PM
Finally a poll that isn't garbage in Texas!


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on September 20, 2018, 05:20:48 PM
if Ipsos wasn't accurate in TX, then Scott winning in FL isn't accurate either


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: GM Team Member and Senator WB on September 20, 2018, 05:22:44 PM
This is about right, although I gotta point out Cruz is within the MOE. Tilt R closer to lean than pure tossup.


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: Xing on September 20, 2018, 05:24:02 PM
Cruz is still favored, but O'Rourke has made this a closer race than I ever expected.


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on September 20, 2018, 05:26:25 PM
This is about right, although I gotta point out Cruz is within the MOE. Tilt R closer to lean than pure tossup.


I wouldn't count my chickens before they Hatch, Beto has come out attacking Cruz, this is a PPP poll but there is a blue wave coming, I still think Beto can win


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: MT Treasurer on September 20, 2018, 05:28:12 PM
Lean R. Cruz is still favored, but the days of Titanium R Texas are over. :(


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️ on September 20, 2018, 05:34:55 PM
Finally a poll that isn't garbage in Texas!

This should be treated as a Dem internal - if it had a bad result for Beto, we have no way to know that it would be released. Yes, throw it in the pile, but the Quinnipiac poll with Cruz +9 is the highest quality recent poll.


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: KingSweden on September 20, 2018, 05:35:28 PM
Cruz is still favored, but O'Rourke has made this a closer race than I ever expected.


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on September 20, 2018, 05:43:20 PM
Cruz is still favored, but O'Rourke has made this a closer race than I ever expected.


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️ on September 20, 2018, 05:43:32 PM
The best thing about this poll is it has Cruz leading among whites only 61-34. If that is not too far off, that is about what Beto would need to be in serious business.

I'm skeptical though. In particular...

Too bad there is no education crosstab. Since they didn't ask education, I guess they didn't weight by education? If so they may have oversampled educated voters who are more likely to respond to polls.


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on September 20, 2018, 05:47:53 PM
The best thing about this poll is it has Cruz leading among whites only 61-34. If that is not too far off, that is about what Beto would need to be in serious business.

I'm skeptical though. In particular...

Too bad there is no education crosstab. Since they didn't ask education, I guess they didn't weight by education? If so they may have oversampled educated voters who are more likely to respond to polls.

Aren't more highly educated voters also more likely to vote, though?  So perhaps it balances out to some extent.


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️ on September 20, 2018, 05:50:47 PM
Aren't more highly educated voters also more likely to vote, though?  So perhaps it balances out to some extent.

Not weighting by education is one of the reasons why polls and exit polls in 2016 were found after the fact to have undercounted WWC voters.


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: TarHeelDem on September 20, 2018, 05:51:31 PM
Beautiful poll! I imagine this is roughly where the race sits right now, give or take a point or two in either direction.


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: OneJ on September 20, 2018, 05:52:54 PM
Lean R. Cruz is still favored, but the days of Titanium R Texas are over. :(


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on September 20, 2018, 05:56:26 PM
Aren't more highly educated voters also more likely to vote, though?  So perhaps it balances out to some extent.

Not weighting by education is one of the reasons why polls and exit polls in 2016 were found after the fact to have undercounted WWC voters.

Yes, but this year is very likely to be a different electorate.  I think it's reasonable to assume that in 2016 lower educated voters were more motivated (relative to previous elections) than higher educated voters were, but in 2018 the reverse is probably true.


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: Politician on September 20, 2018, 06:03:13 PM
Lean R. Cruz is still favored, but the days of Titanium R Texas are over. :)


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on September 20, 2018, 06:41:17 PM
Cruz is still favored, but O'Rourke has made this a closer race than I ever expected.


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on September 20, 2018, 07:59:37 PM
Now that looks believable (though probably a tad D-leaning because PPP)


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on September 20, 2018, 08:01:34 PM
I think Beto upsets Cruz


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: Mr.Phips on September 20, 2018, 08:06:52 PM
This is the Dems version of CA-SEN in 2010.


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️ on September 20, 2018, 08:08:49 PM
This is the Dems version of CA-SEN in 2010.

Yeah, I think you are right about that.


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: Senator Incitatus on September 20, 2018, 08:11:59 PM
Aren't more highly educated voters also more likely to vote, though?  So perhaps it balances out to some extent.

Not weighting by education is one of the reasons why polls and exit polls in 2016 were found after the fact to have undercounted WWC voters.

Yes, but this year is very likely to be a different electorate.  I think it's reasonable to assume that in 2016 lower educated voters were more motivated (relative to previous elections) than higher educated voters were, but in 2018 the reverse is probably true.

This is a reasonable expectation and I share it, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea not to poll education at all.


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on September 20, 2018, 08:47:00 PM
Dems are pouring money into TX


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: OSR stands with Israel on September 20, 2018, 09:54:50 PM
Lean R. Cruz is still favored, but the days of Titanium R Texas are over. :(


If Cornyn was up instead of Cruz , he easily would have won this race. Sure it would be closer than his usual wins but he still easily wins.


Cruz literally is one of the most unlikable senator in the country so in this type of year it’s not surprising it’s close .


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on September 20, 2018, 10:16:06 PM
That's why I like about Beto and this race, Beto has come out of his shell and has been attacking Cruz


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: An American Tail: Fubart Goes West on September 20, 2018, 10:58:28 PM
Cruz is still favored, but O'Rourke has made this a closer race than I ever expected.


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: Young Conservative on September 21, 2018, 12:28:49 AM
The clear difference between this and Quinnepac isn’t Beto; it’s Cruz.  Beto is stuck at 45% in both, which is believable.  Cruz’s numbers are the ones that fluctuate.  When a high-quality poll shows Beto breaking past the 45% barrier, then we know we have a toss-up race.  Until then, lean R seems right.
Spot on.


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: Sir Mohamed on September 21, 2018, 02:18:24 AM
The clear difference between this and Quinnepac isn’t Beto; it’s Cruz.  Beto is stuck at 45% in both, which is believable.  Cruz’s numbers are the ones that fluctuate.  When a high-quality poll shows Beto breaking past the 45% barrier, then we know we have a toss-up race.  Until then, lean R seems right.

In the end, it's coming down to turnout. Beto has a chance of turnout is high enough. Cruz, at this point, is still favored though.


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on September 21, 2018, 02:48:43 AM
Beto is closing in on the upset


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on September 21, 2018, 08:07:56 AM
Aren't more highly educated voters also more likely to vote, though?  So perhaps it balances out to some extent.

Not weighting by education is one of the reasons why polls and exit polls in 2016 were found after the fact to have undercounted WWC voters.

Yes, but this year is very likely to be a different electorate.  I think it's reasonable to assume that in 2016 lower educated voters were more motivated (relative to previous elections) than higher educated voters were, but in 2018 the reverse is probably true.

This is a reasonable expectation and I share it, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea not to poll education at all.

I would agree with that.


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: IceSpear on September 21, 2018, 05:17:40 PM
This is the Dems version of CA-SEN in 2010.

Yeah, I think you are right about that.

I think that'll end up being Tennessee.


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️ on September 21, 2018, 05:22:57 PM
This is the Dems version of CA-SEN in 2010.

Yeah, I think you are right about that.

I think that'll end up being Tennessee.

It doesn't have to be either/or.


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: IceSpear on September 21, 2018, 05:26:42 PM

The thing that gives me pause about Texas is that while I think Cruz will likely win, I don't think it will end up as a blowout like California was.


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on September 21, 2018, 05:29:29 PM
Cruz isn't likely to win, Cook moved this to tossup


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: TarHeelDem on September 21, 2018, 05:41:55 PM
This has been a Toss-Up for a few weeks now on my map. Honestly the more people underestimate Beto the higher his chances get.


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on September 21, 2018, 05:46:37 PM
Icespear has said Gillum and Beto aren't winning. Dems have the momentum now with Kavanaugh allegations, we can make wave happen. Early voting will bank the votes in early.


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: Thunder98 🇮🇱 🤝 🇵🇸 on December 12, 2018, 06:55:59 PM
Almost spot on. Cruz won by 2.56%


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: Xing on December 12, 2018, 10:27:22 PM

He shoots, he scores!


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: wbrocks67 on December 14, 2018, 08:05:23 PM
This should squash any talk of PPP being a ridiculous D pollster. They're generally close to the mark.


Title: Re: TX-PPP (D): Cruz +3
Post by: OneJ on December 15, 2018, 09:40:18 AM
This should squash any talk of PPP being a ridiculous D pollster. They're generally close to the mark.

That's what I've been trying to tell some of the non-believers on here. ::)