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Title: CA PPIC: Feinstein +11 (40-29 over DeLeon)
Post by: Sir Mohamed on September 27, 2018, 01:41:08 am
Feinstein (D, inc.): 40%
DeLeon (D): 29%

RCP (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2018/senate/ca/california_senate_feinstein_vs_de_leon-6592.html)
PDF (http://www.ppic.org/wp-content/uploads/ppic-statewide-survey-september-2018.pdf)

A low floor for Feinstein, although she is still favored.


Title: Re: CA PPIC: Feinstein +11 (40-29 over DeLeon)
Post by: Coastal Elitist on September 27, 2018, 01:44:19 am
Important to note that 23% of likely voters won't vote. Only 8% undecided


Title: Re: CA PPIC: Feinstein +11 (40-29 over DeLeon)
Post by: Sir Mohamed on September 27, 2018, 01:52:06 am
Important to note that 23% of likely voters won't vote. Only 8% undecided

That's why the jungle primary is so terrible. For the Republicans, and there are a few millions in CA, there is no real choice. Feinstein is more to the center, but she's not a Republican by any means. So, a lot of GOPers struggle who to vote for. My neighbor is a Republican, he will abstain from voting in the senate race while his wife will cast a protest vote for DeLeon. Dem versus Dem GE races are uninspiring and not good for democracy. Hope we have a another ballot initiative soon to go back to partisan primaries.


Title: Re: CA PPIC: Feinstein +11 (40-29 over DeLeon)
Post by: Tender Branson on September 27, 2018, 02:09:52 am
Important to note that 23% of likely voters won't vote. Only 8% undecided

So why are they "likely voters" then ?

They are "likely" to vote in other races, but not this.

In this race it makes sense to use only the declared voters, where Feinstein is ahead 58-42 or 52-38-10 with undecideds.


Title: Re: CA PPIC: Feinstein +11 (40-29 over DeLeon)
Post by: Very Legal & Very Cool on September 27, 2018, 02:20:08 am
Important to note that 23% of likely voters won't vote. Only 8% undecided

That's why the jungle primary is so terrible. For the Republicans, and there are a few millions in CA, there is no real choice. Feinstein is more to the center, but she's not a Republican by any means. So, a lot of GOPers struggle who to vote for. My neighbor is a Republican, he will abstain from voting in the senate race while his wife will cast a protest vote for DeLeon. Dem versus Dem GE races are uninspiring and not good for democracy. Hope we have a another ballot initiative soon to go back to partisan primaries.

You couldn't be more wrong. A Democrat that is guaranteed to win versus a Republican with no chance to win is not a real choice. The new system allows "safe" seats to have a real choice come November. It's really no different than, for example, Hahn vs. Villaraigosa for LA mayor. In 2001, Hahn came in second but won the election by building a broader coalition. Villaraigosa came back in 2005 and defeated Hahn. Your system would allow 30% of the population to determine the winner in 2001 even though the overall majority supported someone else.

IRV would be better, but in lieu of that, at least make people try to earn their power rather than being anointed. This is California's second attempt at a jungle style primary. We also have an independent redistricting commission. California should embrace it's progressive values. Trying to emulate the hyperpartisan anti-democracy attitudes of the modern Republicans is not the answer.

"You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain"


Title: Re: CA PPIC: Feinstein +11 (40-29 over DeLeon)
Post by: Speaker OneJ on September 27, 2018, 08:41:24 am
Important to note that 23% of likely voters won't vote. Only 8% undecided

So why are they "likely voters" then ?

They are "likely" to vote in other races, but not this.

In this race it makes sense to use only the declared voters, where Feinstein is ahead 58-42 or 52-38-10 with undecideds.

A lot of those voters are apparently voting in the Gubernatorial race, but skipping the Senatorial. I do think that its rediculous how they did this though.


Title: Re: CA PPIC: Feinstein +11 (40-29 over DeLeon)
Post by: Zaybay on September 27, 2018, 08:44:29 am
I swear, if De Leon wins because of R protest votes, then 2018 will be the best election I will have ever witnessed.


Title: Re: CA PPIC: Feinstein +11 (40-29 over DeLeon)
Post by: Very Legal & Very Cool on September 27, 2018, 08:47:49 am
I swear, if De Leon wins because of R protest votes, then 2018 will be the best election I will have ever witnessed.

I feel like Kevin de Leon could show up with a ghost gun and insert a 30 caliber clip or even a 30 magazine clip, and massacre all the Republicans, and still lose.


Title: Re: CA PPIC: Feinstein +11 (40-29 over DeLeon)
Post by: RoboWop on September 28, 2018, 09:42:40 am
Important to note that 23% of likely voters won't vote. Only 8% undecided

That's why the jungle primary is so terrible. For the Republicans, and there are a few millions in CA, there is no real choice. Feinstein is more to the center, but she's not a Republican by any means. So, a lot of GOPers struggle who to vote for. My neighbor is a Republican, he will abstain from voting in the senate race while his wife will cast a protest vote for DeLeon. Dem versus Dem GE races are uninspiring and not good for democracy. Hope we have a another ballot initiative soon to go back to partisan primaries.

They had a real choice in the primary.


Title: Re: CA PPIC: Feinstein +11 (40-29 over DeLeon)
Post by: Cory Booker on September 28, 2018, 01:20:31 pm
I swear, if De Leon wins because of R protest votes, then 2018 will be the best election I will have ever witnessed.

Feinstein and Newsom aren't the best choices, given today's politics, Dems aren't gonna leave the races as protest, they will come home at least for Newsom


Title: Re: CA PPIC: Feinstein +11 (40-29 over DeLeon)
Post by: Invisible Obama on September 28, 2018, 01:21:22 pm
Important to note that 23% of likely voters won't vote. Only 8% undecided

That's why the jungle primary is so terrible. For the Republicans, and there are a few millions in CA, there is no real choice. Feinstein is more to the center, but she's not a Republican by any means. So, a lot of GOPers struggle who to vote for. My neighbor is a Republican, he will abstain from voting in the senate race while his wife will cast a protest vote for DeLeon. Dem versus Dem GE races are uninspiring and not good for democracy. Hope we have a another ballot initiative soon to go back to partisan primaries.

There is no constitutional or democratic right to have a choice of a candidate of a particular party.  There is nothing about inspiration in the constitution. Furthermore even in D vs R elections there are people who won't vote for either choice so there is no election system everyone is going to be pleased with.


Title: Re: CA PPIC: Feinstein +11 (40-29 over DeLeon)
Post by: jrk26 on September 29, 2018, 11:33:56 pm
Important to note that 23% of likely voters won't vote. Only 8% undecided

That's why the jungle primary is so terrible. For the Republicans, and there are a few millions in CA, there is no real choice. Feinstein is more to the center, but she's not a Republican by any means. So, a lot of GOPers struggle who to vote for. My neighbor is a Republican, he will abstain from voting in the senate race while his wife will cast a protest vote for DeLeon. Dem versus Dem GE races are uninspiring and not good for democracy. Hope we have a another ballot initiative soon to go back to partisan primaries.

There is no constitutional or democratic right to have a choice of a candidate of a particular party.  There is nothing about inspiration in the constitution. Furthermore even in D vs R elections there are people who won't vote for either choice so there is no election system everyone is going to be pleased with.

This.


Title: Re: CA PPIC: Feinstein +11 (40-29 over DeLeon)
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on September 30, 2018, 07:38:47 pm
That convoluted Republican rhetoric about her leaking documents about Ford must be working!


Title: Re: CA PPIC: Feinstein +11 (40-29 over DeLeon)
Post by: Arkansas Yankee on September 30, 2018, 08:49:35 pm
As a Republican I would not vote for either of these two characters.