Title: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: reagente on October 04, 2018, 11:03:26 AM McSally (R) - 52
Sinema (D) - 49 https://poppolling.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/AZ-Statewide-Survey-Topline-Oct-2018.pdf Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️ on October 04, 2018, 11:04:29 AM McSally (R) - 52 Sinema (D) - 49 https://poppolling.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/AZ-Statewide-Survey-Topline-Oct-2018.pdf They don't even have 0% undecideds, but -1% undecideds. I think this is the new "decimals." Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on October 04, 2018, 11:06:00 AM Forgive me if I don't believe a poll that totals more than 100%.
Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: Xing on October 04, 2018, 11:06:55 AM Same pollster that had Menendez only up 4, so color me skeptical.
Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: Hindsight was 2020 on October 04, 2018, 11:08:38 AM Umm that adds up to 101%
Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: Landslide Lyndon on October 04, 2018, 11:09:38 AM These people make Gravis look like the gold standard.
Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: MT Treasurer on October 04, 2018, 11:11:50 AM Vox Populi isn’t a very good pollster, to say the least.
Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: BudgieForce on October 04, 2018, 11:12:56 AM Same pollster that had Menendez only up 4, so color me skeptical. Im not sure how they got Menendez up by only 4 when pushing undecideds. So I am also skeptical. Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: SATW on October 04, 2018, 11:14:30 AM lol 101%
Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: KingSweden on October 04, 2018, 11:15:36 AM Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: Person Man on October 04, 2018, 11:16:24 AM The extra 1% is from the graveyard. Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: Yellowhammer on October 04, 2018, 11:18:12 AM Their gubernatorial result is in line with most others at least. We can infer at this point that there are going to be tons of Sinema-Ducey voters
Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: libertpaulian on October 04, 2018, 11:20:39 AM Their gubernatorial result is in line with most others at least. We can infer at this point that there are going to be tons of Sinema-Ducey voters Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: UncleSam on October 04, 2018, 11:24:56 AM I read the cross tabs and it is actually 51-49 McSally. I think the OP just made an error adding the leaners to McSally’s total.
Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: Yellowhammer on October 04, 2018, 11:26:13 AM Their gubernatorial result is in line with most others at least. We can infer at this point that there are going to be tons of Sinema-Ducey voters Senigma has put up a pretty good fake moderate smoke screen during her congressional tenure. That's a large part of why she's doing so well with moderate voters; if she ran as an unapologetic progressive, she'd probably be doing worse. Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: GM Team Member and Senator WB on October 04, 2018, 11:27:12 AM hot take polls with no undecideds are just as bad or even worse than those with a lot of undecideds
Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: KingSweden on October 04, 2018, 11:28:51 AM hot take polls with no undecideds are just as bad or even worse than those with a lot of undecideds Inclined to agree Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: Person Man on October 04, 2018, 11:33:01 AM And by the way, how are we even supposed to use this poll?
Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: 😥 on October 04, 2018, 11:35:11 AM Forgive me if I don't believe a poll that totals more than 100%. Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on October 04, 2018, 12:21:59 PM Here we go again. The polls showing strong support for GOP, eventhough the Kavanaugh allegations are coming up. Same as what happened in 2014
Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: Crumpets on October 04, 2018, 12:38:01 PM The first poll to account for the hundreds of thousands of votes to be cast by "Shladimir Butin" for Republicans :P
Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: Bacon King on October 04, 2018, 02:03:56 PM Fun fact! There's actually a mathematical principle that explains why the numbers add up to 101 here. It's a bit of an advanced concept so it might be difficult for some of you to understand but click here to read the wiki article on this complex and fascinating phenomenon. Cool stuff, right? (https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rounding)
if anyone had actually bothered to click the link in the OP and read the poll then you would quickly see the actual poll result is as follows: 45% McSally 42% Sinema 13% undecided however the poll also pushed undecided voters to pick which of the two candidates they're leaning towards, forcing a choice between one or the other. Slightly more undecided voters lean towards Sinema rather than McSally so the 13 points of "undecideds" splits with 7 points for Sinema and 6 for McSally. Add those numbers together, apply that advanced math technique I linked above, and you get the 52% to 49% split. It's somewhat uncommon to see a poll force all undecided voters to pick a side like this but it's not exactly crazy or unheard of, either. Like, there are several huge problems with this poll's methodology but the one thing everyone ITT is hung up on isn't really one of them. y'all need to actually read links before commenting :P Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: President Johnson on October 04, 2018, 02:10:38 PM It should be 51%, because safe (45%) plus leaners (6%) are 51%. It's wrongly added.
But this is a toss-up regardless, Sinema is favored though. She's more likely to win than Jacky Rosen. Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: Reaganfan on October 04, 2018, 02:19:59 PM Probably not the best poll, but there does seem to be a GOP bump nationwide occurring due to the Kavanaugh hearings.
Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: henster on October 04, 2018, 02:43:30 PM Rounded up 51.6/48.6 or something like that.
Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: Webnicz on October 04, 2018, 03:36:04 PM Cute
Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: IceSpear on October 05, 2018, 03:12:12 AM She's more likely to win than Jacky Rosen. No. Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 05, 2018, 03:15:11 AM The extra 1% is from the graveyard. Democrat zombies versus Russian bots! Discuss with maps. Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on October 05, 2018, 08:28:32 AM This goes from Lean D to tossup
Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: pppolitics on October 05, 2018, 09:08:45 AM Next poll
McSally - 60% Sinema - 55% Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on October 05, 2018, 09:30:44 AM AZ has disappointed Dems so many times
Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: erſatz-york on October 05, 2018, 09:38:27 AM The first poll to account for the hundreds of thousands of votes to be cast by "Shladimir Butin" for Republicans :P Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: MT Treasurer on October 05, 2018, 09:52:28 AM She's more likely to win than Jacky Rosen. Who isn’t? Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: Progressive Pessimist on October 05, 2018, 07:52:41 PM AZ has disappointed Dems so many times That's why I'm tempering my expectations and keeping it at a tossup, at best. This definitely looks better than the Gubernatorial election though. Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: Badger on October 06, 2018, 04:08:12 PM Next poll McSally - 60% Sinema - 55% Plus 20% undecided. Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: InheritTheWind on October 06, 2018, 05:14:49 PM Next poll McSally - 60% Sinema - 55% and then McSally - 324% Sinema - 101% someone on atlas: this race is lean R now guyz 1!!1! Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: Person Man on October 06, 2018, 05:17:13 PM Next poll McSally - 60% Sinema - 55% Plus 20% undecided. Were the undead or unborn polled? Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: History505 on October 07, 2018, 05:16:27 PM This goes from Lean D to tossup Title: Re: AZ-Vox Populi: McSally +3 Post by: Progressive Pessimist on October 07, 2018, 07:05:02 PM This goes from Lean D to tossup |