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Title: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 10, 2018, 11:16:49 PM
The other thread has reached 2000 replies, so I'm locking it.  Here's the new thread for candidate news.  Mods, please sticky.

I guess I should also offer a link to the old thread, in case you want to revisit it:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=273224

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Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 11, 2018, 12:13:20 AM
Harris to visit South Carolina next week:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/10/kamala-harris-2020-south-carolina-889035


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Pyro on October 11, 2018, 09:09:55 AM
538: Who's Behaving like a 2020 Candidate (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/whos-behaving-like-a-2020-presidential-candidate/)



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Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 11, 2018, 02:16:44 PM
Buttigieg says he'll decide by Thanksgiving and announce his decision publicly shortly thereafter, presumably before Christmas. (https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/opinion/colwell-what-does-buttigieg-s-future-hold/article_02a1aa59-abd1-5a8a-b5e8-2e763af74c41.html)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: CherokeeDem on October 11, 2018, 02:51:08 PM
Buttigieg says he'll decide by Thanksgiving and announce his decision publicly shortly thereafter, presumably before Christmas. (https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/opinion/colwell-what-does-buttigieg-s-future-hold/article_02a1aa59-abd1-5a8a-b5e8-2e763af74c41.html)

I love Mayor Pete but I just don't think going from mid-sized city mayor to the White House is a good idea.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on October 11, 2018, 04:27:58 PM
Buttigieg says he'll decide by Thanksgiving and announce his decision publicly shortly thereafter, presumably before Christmas. (https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/opinion/colwell-what-does-buttigieg-s-future-hold/article_02a1aa59-abd1-5a8a-b5e8-2e763af74c41.html)

I would definitely support him and maybe even donate, but he stands no chance.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Smith on October 11, 2018, 04:33:39 PM
I don't see why he doesn't just take on Holcomb or Todd Young?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on October 11, 2018, 04:37:58 PM
Buttigieg says he'll decide by Thanksgiving and announce his decision publicly shortly thereafter, presumably before Christmas. (https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/opinion/colwell-what-does-buttigieg-s-future-hold/article_02a1aa59-abd1-5a8a-b5e8-2e763af74c41.html)

I would definitely support him and maybe even donate, but he stands no chance.

So why he starts like he has almost no chances?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on October 11, 2018, 05:23:24 PM
Buttigieg says he'll decide by Thanksgiving and announce his decision publicly shortly thereafter, presumably before Christmas. (https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/opinion/colwell-what-does-buttigieg-s-future-hold/article_02a1aa59-abd1-5a8a-b5e8-2e763af74c41.html)

I would definitely support him and maybe even donate, but he stands no chance.

Yeah same. I will probably support him in the primary, for as long as he makes it.

He should definitely be considered for a cabinet position by the next Democratic President.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: CherokeeDem on October 11, 2018, 05:40:35 PM
Buttigieg says he'll decide by Thanksgiving and announce his decision publicly shortly thereafter, presumably before Christmas. (https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/opinion/colwell-what-does-buttigieg-s-future-hold/article_02a1aa59-abd1-5a8a-b5e8-2e763af74c41.html)

I would definitely support him and maybe even donate, but he stands no chance.

Yeah same. I will probably support him in the primary, for as long as he makes it.

He should definitely be considered for a cabinet position by the next Democratic President.

Give him Labor or something and then he could turn that into a gubernatorial run in 2024 or a White House run in 2028.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Kentuckian on October 11, 2018, 05:47:51 PM
Amy Klobuchar has been receiving a lot of attention since Kavanaugh's hearing:

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-heffernan-heroes-kavanaugh-hearings-20181006-story.html (http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-heffernan-heroes-kavanaugh-hearings-20181006-story.html)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/2018/09/29/amy-klobuchars-big-brett-kavanaugh-moment-earned-rave-reviews-is-it-what-democrats-demand/?noredirect=on (https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/2018/09/29/amy-klobuchars-big-brett-kavanaugh-moment-earned-rave-reviews-is-it-what-democrats-demand/?noredirect=on)

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna915181 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna915181)

https://people.com/politics/sen-amy-klobuchar-loved-rachel-dratch-snl-impression-brett-kavanaugh-cold-open/amp/ (https://people.com/politics/sen-amy-klobuchar-loved-rachel-dratch-snl-impression-brett-kavanaugh-cold-open/amp/)

http://www.thesunchronicle.com/opinion/columns/betsy-shea-taylor-keep-an-eye-out-for-amy-klobuchar/article_5e3f2fb9-8e45-5c50-8f28-5967c6d3875b.html (http://www.thesunchronicle.com/opinion/columns/betsy-shea-taylor-keep-an-eye-out-for-amy-klobuchar/article_5e3f2fb9-8e45-5c50-8f28-5967c6d3875b.html)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on October 11, 2018, 08:23:26 PM
Another instance of Jeff Flake calling for someone to run against Trump, despite voting for Kavanaugh and doing nothing to really oppose Trump.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/flake-calls-trump-supporters-lock-her-up-chants-disturbing-and-fears-for-future-of-republican-party


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NewYorkExpress on October 11, 2018, 10:29:15 PM
Another instance of Jeff Flake calling for someone to run against Trump, despite voting for Kavanaugh and doing nothing to really oppose Trump.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/flake-calls-trump-supporters-lock-her-up-chants-disturbing-and-fears-for-future-of-republican-party

Umm Jeff, maybe you should run yourself  ???


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 12, 2018, 12:32:53 AM
Avenatti now says he’ll decide on whether to run for president by Jan. 1st:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/michael-avenatti-2020-president-trump_us_5bbf5c70e4b0bd9ed557a243

Steyer spending $4 million on digital ads aimed at getting young people to turn out in November.  His target states include Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tom-steyer-4-million-young-voters_us_5bbeb7e0e4b0b27cf47a7114

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The massive digital ad buy through the Steyer-backed group NextGen America will target voters ages 18 to 35 in 11 states: California, Nevada, Arizona, Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Virginia, North Carolina and Florida.
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The ads will run on most digital platforms, including Facebook, Snapchat, Hulu and Spotify. But this buy will also include the first-ever political ads on Twitch, a video game streaming platform.

Michelle Obama asked if she’ll run for president, and says “absolutely not”:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/michelle-obama-metoo-2020-her-181657848.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NewYorkExpress on October 12, 2018, 01:08:15 AM
Avenatti now says he’ll decide on whether to run for president by Jan. 1st:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/michael-avenatti-2020-president-trump_us_5bbf5c70e4b0bd9ed557a243

Steyer spending $4 million on digital ads aimed at getting young people to turn out in November.  His target states include Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tom-steyer-4-million-young-voters_us_5bbeb7e0e4b0b27cf47a7114

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The massive digital ad buy through the Steyer-backed group NextGen America will target voters ages 18 to 35 in 11 states: California, Nevada, Arizona, Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Virginia, North Carolina and Florida.
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The ads will run on most digital platforms, including Facebook, Snapchat, Hulu and Spotify. But this buy will also include the first-ever political ads on Twitch, a video game streaming platform.

Michelle Obama asked if she’ll run for president, and says “absolutely not”:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/michelle-obama-metoo-2020-her-181657848.html



I think Michelle should just run for Mayor of Chicago this winter. I think she'd be good at the job, and she'd have a National Platform if she did want to run for the White House.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on October 12, 2018, 10:31:36 AM
Some interesting bits about South Carolina in this. I hadn’t heard about Elizabeth Warren’s former press secretary now serving as the state party’s communications director.

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In the next week alone, scheduled arrivals include: U.S. Sens. Kamala Harris of California, Cory Booker of New Jersey and Bernie Sanders of Vermont; former Vice President Joe Biden; celebrity attorney Michael Avenatti; Montana Gov. Steve Bullock; and South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg.

U.S. Rep. Eric Swalwell of California campaigned for congressional candidate Mary Geren last week in Anderson. U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts recently sent a fundraising email on behalf of state Democrats, and one of her former press secretaries recently became the state party’s new communications director.

Former Attorney General Eric Holder is set to headline an NAACP gala in Charleston three days before the election.
https://www.postandcourier.com/politics/democratic-presidential-hopefuls-flood-in-to-south-carolina-ahead-of/article_679556ae-cd69-11e8-9f74-ef1902ddf654.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: BlueSwan on October 12, 2018, 10:36:09 AM
Harris to visit South Carolina next week:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/10/kamala-harris-2020-south-carolina-889035

About time she started visiting the early primary states. She needs to hit them heavily to overcome her lack of name recognition in comparison to Sanders, Warren and Biden.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on October 12, 2018, 02:19:00 PM
Bloomberg heading to NH



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Grassroots on October 12, 2018, 02:37:23 PM
Notice how you have Jason Kander on your images but Steve Bullock isn't.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on October 13, 2018, 12:33:40 AM
Another instance of Jeff Flake calling for someone to run against Trump, despite voting for Kavanaugh and doing nothing to really oppose Trump.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/flake-calls-trump-supporters-lock-her-up-chants-disturbing-and-fears-for-future-of-republican-party

Umm Jeff, maybe you should run yourself  ???

Doubt he wants to embarrass himself like that


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on October 13, 2018, 02:30:37 PM
Another instance of Jeff Flake calling for someone to run against Trump, despite voting for Kavanaugh and doing nothing to really oppose Trump.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/flake-calls-trump-supporters-lock-her-up-chants-disturbing-and-fears-for-future-of-republican-party

Umm Jeff, maybe you should run yourself  ???

Doubt he wants to embarrass himself like that


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 13, 2018, 04:00:39 PM
I posted in the last thread that Harris was looking at visiting Iowa before the midterms.  Looks like she will in fact do that:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/kamala-harris-heads-to-iowa

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The Associated Press reported Saturday that the California senator will make her first trip on Oct. 22-23 to the state with the nation's earliest presidential caucus.

Bloomberg asked about 2020 during his NH visit:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/411270-bloomberg-visits-new-hampshire-fueling-2020-speculation

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“Right now I’m focused on Nov. 6, plain and simple,” he said, according to The Associated Press.

But the billionaire owner of Bloomberg News also said “we’ll see what happens down the road,” when asked about his plans after the midterms.

He also talked about where he fits in to the current Democratic Party:

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He argued that Democrats are “much more centrist than people understand. They want sensible laws. And what they want is some check and balance on the White House,” according to Concord Monitor reporter Paul Steinhauser, who tweeted a video of the exchange.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: tosk on October 13, 2018, 04:35:47 PM
Another instance of Jeff Flake calling for someone to run against Trump, despite voting for Kavanaugh and doing nothing to really oppose Trump.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/flake-calls-trump-supporters-lock-her-up-chants-disturbing-and-fears-for-future-of-republican-party

Umm Jeff, maybe you should run yourself  ???

Doubt he wants to embarrass himself like that

too late surely? Left would respect him for a challenge regaredless(?) and the right would hate him just as much.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 13, 2018, 06:15:35 PM
538: Who's Behaving like a 2020 Candidate (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/whos-behaving-like-a-2020-presidential-candidate/)



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That list is mostly complete, though they left off Gabbard, who visited both Iowa and New Hampshire last month:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=273224.msg6446398#msg6446398

There are a few not listed who've either dropped some sort of hints or interest or given non-denials, even if they're not visiting the early primary states.  I'm thinking of Cuomo, de Blasio, and Kerry, for instance.

Also, it's always a bit dicey to mix together explicit actions by the candidates, like  visiting states or writing books, with things like inclusion in a national poll, which the candidates themselves don't really control.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on October 13, 2018, 07:05:10 PM
I posted in the last thread that Harris was looking at visiting Iowa before the midterms.  Looks like she will in fact do that:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/kamala-harris-heads-to-iowa

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The Associated Press reported Saturday that the California senator will make her first trip on Oct. 22-23 to the state with the nation's earliest presidential caucus.

Bloomberg asked about 2020 during his NH visit:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/411270-bloomberg-visits-new-hampshire-fueling-2020-speculation

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“Right now I’m focused on Nov. 6, plain and simple,” he said, according to The Associated Press.

But the billionaire owner of Bloomberg News also said “we’ll see what happens down the road,” when asked about his plans after the midterms.

He also talked about where he fits in to the current Democratic Party:

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He argued that Democrats are “much more centrist than people understand. They want sensible laws. And what they want is some check and balance on the White House,” according to Concord Monitor reporter Paul Steinhauser, who tweeted a video of the exchange.


Bloomberg also met with the mayor of Manchester, Joyce Craig.



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: aaroncd107 on October 14, 2018, 09:17:35 AM
Another non-denial from Bernie:


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 14, 2018, 10:28:01 AM
Castro was in Iowa on Friday and Saturday, asked about 2020:

https://whotv.com/2018/10/12/julian-castro-is-in-iowa-rallying-support-for-democrats/

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“Helping candidates who are on the 2018 ballot, so I am not going to make a decision about the future until after this election because all of our attention needs to be focused on 2018,” Castro said.

Also, Steve King remains Steve King:

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Later this evening Castro campaigned with J.D. Scholten, a Democrat running for congress in District Four against Republican Steve King.

On Thursday, King took to Twitter to jab at Castro and his brother saying, “The two took 'Spanish lessons to qualify as retroactive Hispanics.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 14, 2018, 02:29:23 PM
Warren's been wiring an extensive national infrastructure. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/elizabeth-warren-builds-expansive-democratic-campaign-effort-ahead-of-likely-2020-bid/2018/10/14/45f3a0ae-ce5f-11e8-a360-85875bac0b1f_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.048f5a31db9e)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 14, 2018, 03:48:36 PM
Warren's been wiring an extensive national infrastructure. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/elizabeth-warren-builds-expansive-democratic-campaign-effort-ahead-of-likely-2020-bid/2018/10/14/45f3a0ae-ce5f-11e8-a360-85875bac0b1f_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.048f5a31db9e)

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[Warren's] effort, which goes far beyond the fundraising and endorsement speeches in which prospective presidential candidates typically engage, has encompassed work in all 50 states and close coordination with more than 150 campaigns. The result is a wide-ranging network that includes those running for state treasurer in Nevada, state legislature in Iowa and congressional offices around the country.

It is unmistakably aimed at some of the early-primary states that Warren would need to contest in a presidential campaign. She has deployed staffers to all four early primary states — two to New Hampshire and one each to Iowa, South Carolina, and Nevada — as well as to traditional powerhouses like Ohio, Florida, Michigan and Wisconsin.
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Warren’s midterm operation is housed in a back office of her Senate reelection headquarters here. Every day, about a half dozen staffers report to work, picking at salads and pecking away on laptops, sending messages to the campaigns around the country to which they are assigned. Whiteboards on the wall list the various races they are tracking, a map shows the places Warren has visited or where staffers were currently based, and there’s a list of candidates Warren needs to follow up with personally.
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“We know every single district,” a Warren aide involved in the effort said. “We’ve researched every district. We’re granularly paying attention to every place on the map.”

Here's a peek at their whiteboard:

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Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on October 14, 2018, 05:58:39 PM
Good luck Perry, hopefully Zeldin doesn’t beat you by too much.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 14, 2018, 09:04:55 PM
Gabbard was back in Iowa this weekend, for the second time in a month.  She was campaigning in Johnson County, along with Inslee and Merkley:

https://www.thegazette.com/subject/news/government/potential-2020-candidates-call-on-iowa-democrats-to-create-the-wave-that-will-change-washington-20181014


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: OneJ on October 15, 2018, 07:06:48 AM
Very interesting. I wonder why Warren has on the board that group of people. I get Gershon, Delgado, Brindisi, and Balter, but AOC? Is she playing some type of 4D chess that we don't know about yet?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on October 15, 2018, 09:37:05 AM
Warren released a DNA test that shows she may have some distant Native American ancestry.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on October 15, 2018, 11:18:56 AM
When do yall think Warren will announce?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Kentuckian on October 15, 2018, 12:12:53 PM
When do yall think Warren will announce?

She's moving fast, so I imagine she'll be one of the first major announcements after the midterms. She's released her tax returns, dispatched staffers to early states, is involved in elections in early states, said that Trump has made her take a hard look at running, is running digital ads outside of Massachusetts, and has now released a DNA test. She's definitely running.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: LabourJersey on October 15, 2018, 06:19:17 PM
I'm impressed but slightly surprised how much further ahead Warren is in terms of campaign infrastructure. She sounds ready to go, which you can't say for almost any other candidates.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Horsemask on October 15, 2018, 06:20:05 PM
When do yall think Warren will announce?

Wouldn't be surprised if it was as early as December, to be honest.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NewYorkExpress on October 15, 2018, 11:34:09 PM
When do yall think Warren will announce?

She's moving fast, so I imagine she'll be one of the first major announcements after the midterms. She's released her tax returns, dispatched staffers to early states, is involved in elections in early states, said that Trump has made her take a hard look at running, is running digital ads outside of Massachusetts, and has now released a DNA test. She's definitely running.

The only way Warren doesn't run, is if Sanders announces between now and the midterms and jumps out to a lead in both Iowa and New Hampshire.

Keep in mind if both Warren and Sanders are running, neither is a lock in New Hampshire against each other, though it's a near certainty one of them wins, barring an entry from Jeanne Shaheen/Maggie Hassan.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: An American Tail: Fubart Goes West on October 15, 2018, 11:54:20 PM
Sounds like Warren is trying to get out in front of Bernie.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 16, 2018, 12:24:12 AM


Also, Swalwell asked about a presidential run:

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/10/california-democrat-eric-swalwell-tells-cnn-hes-considering-a-2020-presidential-run/

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“I am considering it,” he said, adding that he wanted to win his mid-term election first.

“I want to get through a full term and I’m going to think about the long-term,” he said. “But I think new energy, new ideas and a new confidence in America is needed, and that’s why I’m considering it.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 16, 2018, 12:28:12 AM
Seth Moulton's first child was born a few days ago:

http://www.salemnews.com/news/local_news/baby-moulton-has-arrived-it-s-a-girl/article_f89141e1-d7d7-51ec-a5d1-b8b72b790a3c.html

Whether that impacts any decision on a presidential run, we'll see.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 16, 2018, 09:05:13 AM
Biden headed to Nevada this weekend:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/15/joe-biden-nevada-900563

Hickenlooper says he’ll decide on a presidential run no later than early March, and that his current PAC is acting as a pseudo-exploratory committee:

https://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2018/10/15/colorado-gov-john-hickenlooper-considers-presidential-versus-trump/1651274002/

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Hickenlooper said he's "pretty far down the road" on making a choice to run, but wanted to finish out his term as governor without losing focus on the state. He plans to make his decision no later than the end of February or early March. 

He formed a political action committee in September that he described as "like an exploratory account" for a presidential run. It allows him to solicit donations to tour the country and see if his message of collaboration resonates.

"It's not impossible for someone like me to win, in a year like this where there is so much negativity and so much antipathy, just real anger and nastiness out there," Hickenlooper said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 16, 2018, 11:31:35 AM
Moulton says he doesn't think a presidential bid is the best way he could serve the country right now.  (https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/campaigns/article220058930.html)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 16, 2018, 12:46:10 PM
Julian Castro says he's likely running. (https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/julian-castro-2020-president-run-738584/)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: All Along The Watchtower on October 16, 2018, 02:25:10 PM
Kasich's super PAC rakes in over $300,000 in the third quarter as he contemplates a run for the White House (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/16/kasich-super-pac-rakes-in-over-300000-in-q3.html)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on October 16, 2018, 02:39:26 PM
Moulton says he doesn't think a presidential bid is the best way he could serve the country right now.  (https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/campaigns/article220058930.html)

Hmm, so he's not running from Senate, Speaker or President? Interesting


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: History505 on October 16, 2018, 04:26:23 PM
Moulton says he doesn't think a presidential bid is the best way he could serve the country right now.  (https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/campaigns/article220058930.html)
At least run for senate or governor.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: UWS on October 16, 2018, 05:37:01 PM
Julian Castro says he's likely running. (https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/julian-castro-2020-president-run-738584/)

Okay, so Cornyn’s senate seat should be Likely R or even Safe R in 2020.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 16, 2018, 10:47:05 PM
Gillibrand headed to NH:



Harris doing fundraising for NH Dems:



Schiff asked about 2020:

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-schiff-whats-next-20181016-story.html

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“I’m only running for the House, but I’m honored to be asked the question,” Schiff said.

Does that preclude a run in the future? “I would never say never to something,” Schiff said, again skirting the question. “It’s fun coming up here, and I enjoy the idea that I might cause certain heads at Fox News to explode [if I ran.]”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NewYorkExpress on October 16, 2018, 10:52:16 PM
Julian Castro says he's likely running. (https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/julian-castro-2020-president-run-738584/)

Okay, so Cornyn’s senate seat should be Likely R or even Safe R in 2020.

Not necessairly. If Joaquin Castro runs, Cornyn is in just as much danger, and if Beto loses and tries again in 2020, he'd probably have a good shot at beating Cornyn as well.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 16, 2018, 10:54:57 PM
Moulton says he doesn't think a presidential bid is the best way he could serve the country right now.  (https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/campaigns/article220058930.html)

Here's the relevant exchange:

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Katie Glueck: Are you considering a presidential run?

Seth Moulton: I’m not running for president.

KG: Not right at this moment?

SM: I’m not running for president, period.

KG: How Shermanesque do you want to be here?

SM: What does Shermanesque mean?

KG: ‘If nominated, I won’t do it,’ essentially [read more on this phrase here]. Are you ruling out running for president in 2020?

SM: I just want to serve the country the best way I can. Right now, that’s as the representative of the Sixth District of Massachusetts, and that’s by helping amazing candidates like Abby [Spanberger, running in Virginia] win important congressional races across the country.

KG: I have to write down that’s not a no.

SM: You guys can write down whatever you want. I think I’ve been pretty clear about running for president.

KG: Well, why not?

SM: I don’t think it’s the best way I can serve the country right now. [He coughs.] If that were to change, I would consider it, but I don’t think that’s the best way I can serve the country.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 17, 2018, 12:52:31 AM
Biden talks 2020 in Michigan:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/16/politics/biden-age-legitimate-issue/index.html

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Biden has said he will make a decision about whether to run for president in 2020 by January. During the event, someone in the crowd shouted, "Run, Joe, Run!"

"No, no, no!" Biden said in the same cadence, which prompted laughter from the audience. "Thank you. It's very flattering."

Biden then grew emotional talking about his family's struggle since the death of his son Beau in 2015.

"A lot of you have been through a lot tougher times than I and you know when you lose a son or a daughter. It takes some time for the family to sort of be there. We're working through it," he said.

"I know Beau would want me to run, but honest answer is no man or woman should ask for your vote for president unless they with all your heart and soul can look you in the eye and say 'I promise you all my effort, all my attention, all, all my heart, all of my soul,'" he said. "And I'm not quite sure, I'm not sure quite sure I'm there yet."

When some shouted "Jill would be great!" referencing Biden's wife, he responded, "She would! She would! I'd vote for her!"

He also said this about his age:

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"Every voter is entitled to know exactly what kind of shape you're in. You owe it to them. It's a legitimate question and so I think age is relevant," he added.

If Biden's really being honest (and he may not be, since presidential candidates downplay their presidential ambitions all the time), then he really doesn't sound that likely to run.  He's given himself a January deadline, but still talks about grief over Beau holding him back in some way?  And that's going to change in three months?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NewYorkExpress on October 17, 2018, 02:05:05 AM
Biden talks 2020 in Michigan:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/16/politics/biden-age-legitimate-issue/index.html

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Biden has said he will make a decision about whether to run for president in 2020 by January. During the event, someone in the crowd shouted, "Run, Joe, Run!"

"No, no, no!" Biden said in the same cadence, which prompted laughter from the audience. "Thank you. It's very flattering."

Biden then grew emotional talking about his family's struggle since the death of his son Beau in 2015.

"A lot of you have been through a lot tougher times than I and you know when you lose a son or a daughter. It takes some time for the family to sort of be there. We're working through it," he said.

"I know Beau would want me to run, but honest answer is no man or woman should ask for your vote for president unless they with all your heart and soul can look you in the eye and say 'I promise you all my effort, all my attention, all, all my heart, all of my soul,'" he said. "And I'm not quite sure, I'm not sure quite sure I'm there yet."

When some shouted "Jill would be great!" referencing Biden's wife, he responded, "She would! She would! I'd vote for her!"

He also said this about his age:

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"Every voter is entitled to know exactly what kind of shape you're in. You owe it to them. It's a legitimate question and so I think age is relevant," he added.

If Biden's really being honest (and he may not be, since presidential candidates downplay their presidential ambitions all the time), then he really doesn't sound that likely to run.  He's given himself a January deadline, but still talks about grief over Beau holding him back in some way?  And that's going to change in three months?


I do think Sanders is more likely to run, but I suspect Biden will be one of the last candidates to enter the race, as he doesn't really need to make a decision right away, with near universal name recognition, and you could argue that if there are early debates, that not attending those, at least until August/September, could be a benefit rather than a curse for him.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sir Mohamed on October 17, 2018, 02:07:56 AM
Biden talks 2020 in Michigan:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/16/politics/biden-age-legitimate-issue/index.html

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Biden has said he will make a decision about whether to run for president in 2020 by January. During the event, someone in the crowd shouted, "Run, Joe, Run!"

"No, no, no!" Biden said in the same cadence, which prompted laughter from the audience. "Thank you. It's very flattering."

Biden then grew emotional talking about his family's struggle since the death of his son Beau in 2015.

"A lot of you have been through a lot tougher times than I and you know when you lose a son or a daughter. It takes some time for the family to sort of be there. We're working through it," he said.

"I know Beau would want me to run, but honest answer is no man or woman should ask for your vote for president unless they with all your heart and soul can look you in the eye and say 'I promise you all my effort, all my attention, all, all my heart, all of my soul,'" he said. "And I'm not quite sure, I'm not sure quite sure I'm there yet."

When some shouted "Jill would be great!" referencing Biden's wife, he responded, "She would! She would! I'd vote for her!"

He also said this about his age:

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"Every voter is entitled to know exactly what kind of shape you're in. You owe it to them. It's a legitimate question and so I think age is relevant," he added.

If Biden's really being honest (and he may not be, since presidential candidates downplay their presidential ambitions all the time), then he really doesn't sound that likely to run.  He's given himself a January deadline, but still talks about grief over Beau holding him back in some way?  And that's going to change in three months?


I think Biden wants someone else to run who can beat Trump and that he will only enter if he comes to the conclusion, he's the only one with a serious, or the best, shot.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Xeuma on October 17, 2018, 02:39:49 AM
Are the Castros even good candidates??? They haven't ran statewide for anything, right? I don't understand the hype.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: UWS on October 17, 2018, 08:25:05 AM
Julian Castro says he's likely running. (https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/julian-castro-2020-president-run-738584/)

Okay, so Cornyn’s senate seat should be Likely R or even Safe R in 2020.

Not necessairly. If Joaquin Castro runs, Cornyn is in just as much danger, and if Beto loses and tries again in 2020, he'd probably have a good shot at beating Cornyn as well.

Maybe, but it would be difficult because it’s Texas.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 17, 2018, 09:10:41 AM
This story's from this past weekend (so when they say "Tuesday", they mean last week Tuesday), but just noticed it now:

https://www.loudountimes.com/news/political-action-committee-encouraging-former-gov-mcauliffe-to-run-for/article_0cae168e-d090-11e8-b173-97701f270ab5.html

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A newly formed political action committee says it’s trying to “encourage” former Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe, a Democrat, to run for president.

The group called “Tenaciously Moving for American Change in 2020” announced its formation Tuesday. The group’s name is a play on McAuliffe’s “TMac” nickname.

Co-founder Shannon Kane said the group is looking to raise McAuliffe’s profile in early voting states like Iowa and New Hampshire.

McAuliffe issued a statement last week distancing himself from the group and saying he is focused on helping Democrats win this year’s elections.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 17, 2018, 09:54:10 AM
Harris's people aren't shy with Politico about the fact that they're thinking about 2020 strategy:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/16/kamala-harris-2020-strategy-908818

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Sen. Kamala Harris’ advisers are privately discussing a rough Democratic primary strategy that would focus heavily on Iowa, but with an eye toward high-value nominating contests coming later in Nevada, South Carolina and California — more diverse states where her candidacy might resonate with larger minority communities.
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Harris’ advisers believe she can compete in Iowa based in part on her success courting white progressives in California and on former President Barack Obama’s victory there in 2008. Harris campaigned for Obama in the state that year.

The next nominating contest, in New Hampshire, presents a far heavier lift. She has yet to appear there, and several potential East Coast contenders — including Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and former Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick — are all considered to have an edge in the state based on their name recognition and familiarity.

But if Harris can win over black voters in South Carolina, the first Southern primary, her advisers believe she could then win a spate of early Southern primaries with high black turnout — in 2016, 10 states with black primary turnout exceeding 25 percent had already held their nominating contests by mid-March. And North Carolina, another state with relatively high black turnout, is moving its primary in 2020 to early March, as well.

Meanwhile, Harris would campaign aggressively in Nevada and neighboring California, likely relying on supportive labor unions and activists in her home state to cross state lines and campaign for her in Nevada, as they have for Democratic allies in previous elections.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: WV222 on October 17, 2018, 11:05:30 AM


Avenatti making the moves

With this- we have Avenatti, Harris, Warren, and Castro all basically in, Buttigieg and Biden to make decisions around the new year, and with all the people rumored, only Moulton is basically out.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Kylar on October 17, 2018, 01:26:40 PM
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/julian-castro-says-hes-likely-to-challenge-trump-in-2020
Seems to me that Julian is in...I don't know what to think about this.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: DevinM626 on October 17, 2018, 03:51:53 PM
Gillibrand visiting New Hampshire

https://www.concordmonitor.com/Gillibrand-trip-to-Concord-this-week-sparks-2020-speculation-20923118


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on October 17, 2018, 04:06:18 PM
Joe Kennedy going back to New Hampshire



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on October 17, 2018, 06:07:02 PM
Joe Kennedy going back to New Hampshire



Nah he isn't running. If anything he replaces Warren if she plans on retiring from the Senate after running for president


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on October 17, 2018, 06:32:57 PM
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/julian-castro-says-hes-likely-to-challenge-trump-in-2020
Seems to me that Julian is in...I don't know what to think about this.

I actually think that Castro will do better then people expect. He'll probably be the only Hispanic at the big debate. (sorry but Virgin Garcetti is going to be on the edge of the undercard debate) No way he's the nominee though. I figure he bets big on Nevada but drops out afterwards.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on October 17, 2018, 10:17:47 PM
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/julian-castro-says-hes-likely-to-challenge-trump-in-2020
Seems to me that Julian is in...I don't know what to think about this.

I actually think that Castro will do better then people expect. He'll probably be the only Hispanic at the big debate. (sorry but Virgin Garcetti is going to be on the edge of the undercard debate) No way he's the nominee though. I figure he bets big on Nevada but drops out afterwards.

I don't see him making the main debate, which will kill his campaign. Same for Garcetti, most who end up in the undercard debate will drop out before Iowa because almost none of them will make it to the main one. Only Fiorina made it out of the undercard and only because the rules had to be changed for her.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 17, 2018, 11:26:20 PM
Gillibrand is asked about 2020 in this interview, and she changes the subject:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/kirsten-gillibrand-on-kavanaugh-fallout-and-her-2020-plans.html

New Garcetti interview here with some 2020 talk:

https://www.recode.net/2018/10/17/17987870/eric-garcetti-2020-presidential-race-democrats-donald-trump-kara-swisher-recode-decode-podcast


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 17, 2018, 11:33:43 PM
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/julian-castro-says-hes-likely-to-challenge-trump-in-2020
Seems to me that Julian is in...I don't know what to think about this.

I actually think that Castro will do better then people expect. He'll probably be the only Hispanic at the big debate. (sorry but Virgin Garcetti is going to be on the edge of the undercard debate) No way he's the nominee though. I figure he bets big on Nevada but drops out afterwards.

I don't see him making the main debate, which will kill his campaign. Same for Garcetti, most who end up in the undercard debate will drop out before Iowa because almost none of them will make it to the main one.

Well, the new CNN poll had Garcetti at 2%.....which put him ahead of Gillibrand, Klobuchar, and Patrick (Castro wasn't included as an option):

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=303924.0

I think the top 5 names in that poll (Biden / Sanders / Harris / Warren / Booker) are *probably* very solid bets to make the top tier debate stage, should they run.  (But maybe only 3 or 4 out of the 5 of them will run.). Beyond that....I have no idea.  Who else is going to fill up those remaining 6 or 7 spots on the debate stage?  It could be nearly anyone, since so many of the other candidates are pretty unknown to the average voter.  People have predicted that, for example, Gillibrand would emerge as a top tier candidate.  But all the polling indicates that she's still pretty unknown outside of New York.  Maybe that'll change, and maybe it won't.  But I wouldn't rule out a Castro or a Garcetti making it to the 1st tier debate stage.  It'll probably only take about 2% support to get there.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 18, 2018, 09:06:09 AM
Biden on his decision:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joe-biden-explains-how-he-will-decide-whether-to-run-for-president-2020/

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"I don't think about the polling data. I think about whether or not I should run based on very private decisions relating to my family and the loss of my son and what I want to do with the rest of my life," Biden said. "But I don't think of it in terms of can I win, can I – will I lose. That's not part of the calculation."

Again, he's still referencing grief over Beau potentially holding him back all these years later.  And "what I want to do with the rest of my life".  That seems perfectly reasonable for someone who's almost 80.  If he's elected president in 2020, then he's potentially going to be spending his final years in which he's of sound mind and body as POTUS.  Does he really want to do that?  If he legitimately doubts that now, then I'm skeptical of that changing within the next few months.

Also, Buttigieg:




Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: An American Tail: Fubart Goes West on October 19, 2018, 12:23:54 AM
Beto O’Rourke On Running For President In 2020: ‘It’s A Definitive No’ (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/beto-orourke-presidential-run-donald-trump_us_5bc91cf1e4b0d38b587667ef)

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“The answer is no,” he said during a town hall in McAllen, Texas on Thursday evening. “Our children are 11, they’re 10, and they’re 7 years old. We’ve told them we’re going to take these almost two years out of our life to run this race, and then we’re devoted and committed to being a family again.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 19, 2018, 12:29:46 AM
Bloomberg’s doing events in South Carolina:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/18/politics/michael-bloomberg-trade-policy-2020/index.html

Evan McMullin was in Iowa a couple of days ago.  Other potential 2020ers visiting Iowa in the coming weeks include Hickenlooper, Sanders, Harris, Bullock, and Sasse:

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2018/10/16/iowa-stumping-2020-caucus-midterms-donald-trump-cory-booker-mike-pence-bernie-sanders-kamala-harris/1658184002/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: An American Tail: Fubart Goes West on October 19, 2018, 12:33:40 AM

Evan McMullin was in Iowa a couple of days ago.  Other potential 2020ers visiting Iowa in the coming weeks include Hickenlooper, Sanders, Harris, Bullock, and Sasse:

Will McMullin run as an independent again or as a Republican?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 19, 2018, 08:03:12 AM
Philippe Reines says while Hillary's unlikely to run again, the chance isn't zero. (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/10/19/hillary-clinton-democrats-go-away-2018-2020-221608)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 19, 2018, 09:04:50 AM

Evan McMullin was in Iowa a couple of days ago.  Other potential 2020ers visiting Iowa in the coming weeks include Hickenlooper, Sanders, Harris, Bullock, and Sasse:

Will McMullin run as an independent again or as a Republican?

I've speculated that he might consider run in the Republican primary if all of the potential candidates with experience in elected office, like Kasich, Sasse, etc., end up chickening out and don't run (which is an underrated possibility....some seem to think Kasich running is a foregone conclusion, but I don't).  I think *someone* will end up running against Trump in the primaries, so if not a "real" politician, then someone like McMullin (or Kristol  :P ).


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 19, 2018, 09:16:33 AM
All of these potential 2020ers will be doing events in New Hampshire within the next 10 days:

Booker, Avenatti, Castro, McAuliffe and Gillibrand:

https://www.concordmonitor.com/On-The-Trail-20964449

Actually, scratch that last one.  Gillibrand’s already there.  And she was asked about 2020 but dodged:

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While her stop in the first-in-the-nation primary state generated speculation that the New York Democrat has her eyes on the 2020 election and a probable run for the White House, Gillibrand avoided answering questions about her possible presidential ambitions.

“I’m here because I want Molly Kelly to be the next governor of New Hampshire,” she said.
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Gillibrand had no timetable for a decision on a possible White House run.

“I’m focused on my own senate race,” she said.

When questioned if she had plans to return to New Hampshire after the midterms, Gillibrand joked, “thank you for asking.”

I love how she says "I'm focused on my own Senate race" while campaigning in an early primary state for someone else.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 19, 2018, 10:13:19 AM
New NYT story about the fact that multiple women will be running in ’20, which includes another non-denial from Gillibrand:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/19/us/politics/democrats-women-president-2020.html

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Ms. Gillibrand, who touted a paid family leave proposal beside Molly Kelly, New Hampshire Democrats’ nominee for governor, in a Concord candy shop on Thursday, predicted multiple women would run against Mr. Trump in 2020. She said she had made no decisions about her future, but cast the political moment as one of women mobilizing against a “credibly accused sexual harasser and sexual assaulter” — Mr. Trump.
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“It will carry over to the presidential race,” Ms. Gillibrand said in an interview. “You’ll have many women running. It’s not going to be just one woman running.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: CookieDamage on October 19, 2018, 01:08:08 PM
Moulton says he doesn't think a presidential bid is the best way he could serve the country right now.  (https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/campaigns/article220058930.html)

Here's the relevant exchange:

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Katie Glueck: Are you considering a presidential run?

Seth Moulton: I’m not running for president.

KG: Not right at this moment?

SM: I’m not running for president, period.

KG: How Shermanesque do you want to be here?

SM: What does Shermanesque mean?

KG: ‘If nominated, I won’t do it,’ essentially [read more on this phrase here]. Are you ruling out running for president in 2020?

SM: I just want to serve the country the best way I can. Right now, that’s as the representative of the Sixth District of Massachusetts, and that’s by helping amazing candidates like Abby [Spanberger, running in Virginia] win important congressional races across the country.

KG: I have to write down that’s not a no.

SM: You guys can write down whatever you want. I think I’ve been pretty clear about running for president.

KG: Well, why not?

SM: I don’t think it’s the best way I can serve the country right now. [He coughs.] If that were to change, I would consider it, but I don’t think that’s the best way I can serve the country.


"What does Shermanesque mean?" Oh he's REALLY going for that WWC vote.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on October 19, 2018, 02:55:20 PM
Booked headed to NH



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 19, 2018, 04:12:33 PM
That she's considering this was already pretty obvious given her recent Iowa and New Hampshire visits, but the media seemed to be ignoring those for some reason:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/tulsi-gabbard-2020-presidential-bid-917418

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Democratic Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii is considering running for president in 2020, a source with direct knowledge of her deliberations told POLITICO.

Rania Batrice, an advisor to the progressive congresswoman who served as deputy campaign manager on Bernie Sanders' 2016 presidential campaign, has been putting out feelers for digital and speech-writing staff for Gabbard. One person approached about the positions say that 2020 wasn’t mentioned explicitly, but it was heavily implied.

Batrice denied that the staffers were being hired for a presidential campaign. She did not dispute, however, that Gabbard is considering joining what's expected to be a crowded field of Democratic presidential contenders.

"I think everybody is focused on 2018, but we will see what happens after that,” Batrice said in an interview. “Someone like Tulsi, with her experience, is an important voice in the party and the country.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Cold War Liberal on October 19, 2018, 11:19:33 PM
That she's considering this was already pretty obvious given her recent Iowa and New Hampshire visits, but the media seemed to be ignoring those for some reason:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/tulsi-gabbard-2020-presidential-bid-917418

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Democratic Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii is considering running for president in 2020, a source with direct knowledge of her deliberations told POLITICO.

Rania Batrice, an advisor to the progressive congresswoman who served as deputy campaign manager on Bernie Sanders' 2016 presidential campaign, has been putting out feelers for digital and speech-writing staff for Gabbard. One person approached about the positions say that 2020 wasn’t mentioned explicitly, but it was heavily implied.

Batrice denied that the staffers were being hired for a presidential campaign. She did not dispute, however, that Gabbard is considering joining what's expected to be a crowded field of Democratic presidential contenders.

"I think everybody is focused on 2018, but we will see what happens after that,” Batrice said in an interview. “Someone like Tulsi, with her experience, is an important voice in the party and the country.”

Ick, disgusting


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 20, 2018, 12:16:41 AM
While in Iowa, Hickenlooper says there’s a “pretty high probability” that he’ll run:

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2018/10/19/colorado-governor-john-hickenlooper-iowa-run-president-caucuses-trump-2020-caucuses-des-moines/1683457002/

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The second term governor and former Denver mayor sounded like a presidential candidate as he met with some 25 Democratic activists in downtown Des Moines Friday evening: He shared his personal narrative — which spans from biology to beer brewing. But he also called on Democrats to embrace pragmatic, business-friendly policies if they want to fix a broken Washington, D.C. 

Hickenlooper said he isn't ready to announce a bid for the White House — not yet, anyway.

"I think there's a pretty high probability that we're going to go ahead and do it," he said, after someone in the crowd asked the inevitable question. He said he continues to discuss the possibility of a presidential bid with his wife. 

Like Biden, Sanders concedes that health is an issue:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/bernie-sanders-2020-918609

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“It’s part of a discussion, but it has to be part of an overall view of what somebody is and what somebody has accomplished,” Sanders, who is 77, told POLITICO. “Look, you’ve got people who are 50 years of age who are not well, right? You’ve got people who are 90 years of age who are going to work every day doing excellent work. And obviously, age is a factor. But it depends on the overall health and well being of the individual.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NOVA Green on October 20, 2018, 03:54:27 AM
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/julian-castro-says-hes-likely-to-challenge-trump-in-2020
Seems to me that Julian is in...I don't know what to think about this.

I actually think that Castro will do better then people expect. He'll probably be the only Hispanic at the big debate. (sorry but Virgin Garcetti is going to be on the edge of the undercard debate) No way he's the nominee though. I figure he bets big on Nevada but drops out afterwards.

It is important to consider however, that California will actually be disproportionately represented in the 2020 DEM Primary, since not only did the State jump from the end to the beginning of the Primary Gauntlet, but additionally in theory this could well dramatically change the equation, especially if a Latino-American Democrat were to not only run, but additionally be able to appeal to multiple different constituencies key to the Democratic Base, where California, might well exemplify in many regards....

There is plenty of time on the clock here, but nobody should underestimate the potential electoral shifts that the change in CA-DEM-PRIM calendar will have within the 2020 DEM-PRES primary....


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 20, 2018, 01:38:16 PM
Gillibrand saving $ for 2020:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/20/nyregion/gillibrand-campaign-spending.html

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The last time that Senator Kirsten Gillibrand was on the ballot for re-election, she poured $8 million into a summer television-advertising spree en route to a landslide victory.

This year, she has invested zero dollars on television and has spent only a fraction of what she did in 2012. Ms. Gillibrand, a Democrat from New York, has instead methodically conserved her campaign cash, building a $10.7 million federal treasury that is among the largest in the country; a war chest that she could use to jump-start a bid for the White House in 2020.
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Much of Ms. Gillibrand’s spending has been on the kind of list-building activities that are as likely to pay dividends in 2020 as this fall, investing heavily in digital advertising that cultivates new email addresses and donors. More than 40 percent of her spending in 2018 has been on Facebook advertising, according to an analysis of records from the Federal Election Commission and Pathmatics, an ad tracking firm.

Asked about 2020, she gave this non-denial:

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“I want to be senator for the next six years,” she said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 20, 2018, 05:06:50 PM
Sanders says a discussion with Warren over whether they’re really going to run against each other is a possibility:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/20/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-2020-919825

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Bernie Sanders says he speaks with Elizabeth Warren nearly every day — just not about 2020.

But with the two progressive behemoths on a collision course in the presidential primary — and with some progressive activists alarmed that they might split the vote, allowing a more moderate Democrat to win the nomination — Sanders suggested Friday that a pre-2020 discussion among like-minded candidates could be forthcoming.

Asked whether he and other progressive contenders should hold talks in an effort to ensure one of them prevails, Sanders told POLITICO, “I suspect that in the coming weeks and months, there will be discussions.”

Another possibility has also been floated:

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But a pre-2020 agreement would not necessarily require any candidate to immediately step aside. Instead, candidates could discuss benchmarks — fundraising, polling, or early primary performance — and at what point progressive candidates would throw their support to a fellow progressive in the race.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on October 21, 2018, 07:54:49 AM
Sanders says a discussion with Warren over whether they’re really going to run against each other is a possibility:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/20/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-2020-919825

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Bernie Sanders says he speaks with Elizabeth Warren nearly every day — just not about 2020.

But with the two progressive behemoths on a collision course in the presidential primary — and with some progressive activists alarmed that they might split the vote, allowing a more moderate Democrat to win the nomination — Sanders suggested Friday that a pre-2020 discussion among like-minded candidates could be forthcoming.

Asked whether he and other progressive contenders should hold talks in an effort to ensure one of them prevails, Sanders told POLITICO, “I suspect that in the coming weeks and months, there will be discussions.”

Another possibility has also been floated:

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But a pre-2020 agreement would not necessarily require any candidate to immediately step aside. Instead, candidates could discuss benchmarks — fundraising, polling, or early primary performance — and at what point progressive candidates would throw their support to a fellow progressive in the race.


Lol, I'm making a what if timeline on the premise that potential progressive candidates have a pre-primary discussion about which sole person runs. Glad this may be reality


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 21, 2018, 09:53:29 AM
Garcetti says he'll decide on a presidential run "in the next couple months":

https://freebeacon.com/politics/dem-mayor-hints-will-soon-decide-running-president-2020/

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"Well, first and foremost I'm having important conversations at home, but I'm mostly focused in the next sixteen days at making sure we have a Congress," Garcetti said in response to a question about his decision-making process by anchor Jake Tapper. "Because President Trump isn't on the ballot, but a Congress that enables him is, that seems to be either bullies, brown-nosers, or bunglers, folks who are either kissing up to the president, folks who are mirroring his bullying, or folks who are just ineffective at getting anything done.

"But I'll make a decision probably in the next couple months, and I do hope whether I do or not that mayors do look at this," Garcetti continued.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on October 21, 2018, 10:19:31 AM
Oh Terry



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: tosk on October 21, 2018, 11:45:19 AM
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2018/10/deval-patrick-pac/ (https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2018/10/deval-patrick-pac/)

something of note that I came across


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on October 21, 2018, 01:43:54 PM
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2018/10/deval-patrick-pac/ (https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2018/10/deval-patrick-pac/)

something of note that I came across

Dev!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 21, 2018, 05:16:29 PM
O’Rourke’s presidetial denial:

https://abc30.com/cruz-orourke-talk-presidential-ambitions-border-politics-texas-senate-showdown/4529383/

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O'Rourke told Faris that he does not intend to run for president, partly in deference to his family.

"We can't be out on the road for another two years. Nor would I want [to]. Nor do I think that's right," he said, in reference to his wife and two young kids.

"We've seen the consequence of a junior senator who leaves the state to pursue the presidency -- leaves our priorities. our opportunities, our needs -- behind," O'Rourke said, in a veiled reference to the unsuccessful presidential campaign that Cruz -- Texas's junior senator -- ran in 2016.

"I want to make sure that I'm there -- every single day, for every single one of us."

O’Malley:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/21/2020-democratic-presidential-candidates-biden-booker-harris-trump

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The former Maryland governor Martin O’Malley is considering a run. He told the Guardian a key part of his decision would lie in figuring out if he will have the fundraising infrastructure “to run a more successful race” than he did in 2016.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: tosk on October 21, 2018, 05:31:33 PM
O’Rourke’s presidetial denial:

https://abc30.com/cruz-orourke-talk-presidential-ambitions-border-politics-texas-senate-showdown/4529383/

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O'Rourke told Faris that he does not intend to run for president, partly in deference to his family.

"We can't be out on the road for another two years. Nor would I want [to]. Nor do I think that's right," he said, in reference to his wife and two young kids.

"We've seen the consequence of a junior senator who leaves the state to pursue the presidency -- leaves our priorities. our opportunities, our needs -- behind," O'Rourke said, in a veiled reference to the unsuccessful presidential campaign that Cruz -- Texas's junior senator -- ran in 2016.

"I want to make sure that I'm there -- every single day, for every single one of us."

O’Malley:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/21/2020-democratic-presidential-candidates-biden-booker-harris-trump

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The former Maryland governor Martin O’Malley is considering a run. He told the Guardian a key part of his decision would lie in figuring out if he will have the fundraising infrastructure “to run a more successful race” than he did in 2016.
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sooo maybe he doesn't run then?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 21, 2018, 06:38:44 PM
Klobuchar was on The View on Friday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWlLsIb-CVU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJrlxP6Dx90

Here's the part where she's asked about a run for president:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJrlxP6Dx90&t=3m3s

When asked about whether she's going to run for president, she just said:

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"I am focused on Minnesota.  I'm going back there."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 22, 2018, 09:02:40 AM
Bloomberg asked about 2020:

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2018/10/22/bloomberg-on-possible-2020-bid/

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“All I’m thinking about is change on November 6th. We’ve got 16 days left to go,” he told reporters. “But I’ll look at it. There’s a lot of ways you can make a difference and down the road, you never know.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Pyro on October 22, 2018, 03:23:20 PM
Bloomberg asked about 2020:

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2018/10/22/bloomberg-on-possible-2020-bid/

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“All I’m thinking about is change on November 6th. We’ve got 16 days left to go,” he told reporters. “But I’ll look at it. There’s a lot of ways you can make a difference and down the road, you never know.”


"Mayor Bloomberg, with Election 2040 around the corner, will you finally give it a go?"
"I'll tell you what," the 98-year old bony billionaire croaked, "I'll think about it this time."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on October 22, 2018, 03:56:14 PM
Bloomberg asked about 2020:

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2018/10/22/bloomberg-on-possible-2020-bid/

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“All I’m thinking about is change on November 6th. We’ve got 16 days left to go,” he told reporters. “But I’ll look at it. There’s a lot of ways you can make a difference and down the road, you never know.”

Yeah he’s worse than Trump when it comes to idle threats of running for President.
"Mayor Bloomberg, with Election 2040 around the corner, will you finally give it a go?"
"I'll tell you what," the 98-year old bony billionaire croaked, "I'll think about it this time."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 23, 2018, 12:53:14 AM
Gabbard made another Iowa visit tonight:

https://www.siouxlandproud.com/news/local-news/potential-2020-presidential-candidate-visits-sioux-city/1542943903


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 23, 2018, 09:56:17 AM
Chris Murphy on 2020:

http://www.connecticutmag.com/the-connecticut-story/can-chris-murphy-capture-the-soul-of-the-democratic-party/article_225721dc-d186-11e8-acca-c7d185a2da68.html

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Walking across the Fairfield Hills grounds at the March For Our Lives rally in Newtown in August, a woman stops Murphy to beg him to run in 2020.

“We have to get through the upcoming elections first,” Murphy says, referring to the midterms.

“Please run!” she says. “We need you!”

Later, he says, “I don’t think it’s in the cards for me. My focus is really on this election and re-election race and I think it would be pretty foolish to be thinking about anything other than that. I’ve been pretty clear but I’m sure people are going to continue asking me about running.”

Steyer’s email list:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/10/tom-steyers-plan-impeach-trump/573382/

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In under a year, without realizing what it would become, Steyer and a small crew on the third floor of a small office building in the Financial District here built the biggest voter list in politics—bigger than the NRA, millions bigger than any group that is better known or has been around longer. And it’s not just the well over 6 million people who’ve signed his online petition to impeach Trump—500,000 new ones since July, on pace to be 300,000 in October alone, and growing by at least 3,000 per day, with spikes around big news such as Michael Cohen’s plea deal and the Brett Kavanaugh hearing. It’s email addresses and mailing addresses, now mined to connect with voter data and Need to Impeach’s own surveys and polls.

Also:

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The other question that comes up at the town halls and with everyone in the political world: “Are you going to run for president?” Because that’s of course a good explanation for pumping all this cash into creating a political organization that only he has the keys to and that spends a lot of money putting his face all over TV.

Steyer likes banging on tables when he talks, and the most reliable way to get him banging is to remind him how many people think that this is all about laying the groundwork for a presidential campaign. He has a standard answer about deciding after November what he can do that would do the most good. That answer obviously isn’t no.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on October 23, 2018, 04:59:05 PM
Harris was in Iowa today stumping for Democrats and the crowds were quite impressive for a candidate this early in the stage...





Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Beet on October 23, 2018, 05:02:51 PM
Harris was in Iowa today stumping for Democrats and the crowds were quite impressive for a candidate this early in the stage...





LOL I knew it. Might as well cancel the primaries now; it's going to be a Kamala coronation. Only Bernie could challenge her if he runs.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Comrade Funk on October 23, 2018, 05:46:52 PM
Harris was in Iowa today stumping for Democrats and the crowds were quite impressive for a candidate this early in the stage...





LOL I knew it. Might as well cancel the primaries now; it's going to be a Kamala coronation. Only Bernie could challenge her if he runs.
No poll (albeit not many) has Kamala ahead of Biden, Bernie, or Warren. Ofc she has far less name recognition rn, but I think you're being premature/hyperbolic here. Also, I fail to see how it's a "coronation" considering she's getting grassroots support if those tweets are to be believed.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 23, 2018, 05:57:34 PM
No poll (albeit not many) has Kamala ahead of Biden, Bernie, or Warren.

The latest national poll has her one point ahead of Warren, ftr:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=303924.0


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on October 23, 2018, 07:45:18 PM
Harris was in Iowa today stumping for Democrats and the crowds were quite impressive for a candidate this early in the stage...





LOL I knew it. Might as well cancel the primaries now; it's going to be a Kamala coronation. Only Bernie could challenge her if he runs.
No poll (albeit not many) has Kamala ahead of Biden, Bernie, or Warren. Ofc she has far less name recognition rn, but I think you're being premature/hyperbolic here. Also, I fail to see how it's a "coronation" considering she's getting grassroots support if those tweets are to be believed.

Beet, in all of his avatars iterations, has an odd fixation on hating Kamala Harris and blaming her for what he sees as an inevitable ethnopolitical party system.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Beet on October 23, 2018, 08:02:15 PM
Harris was in Iowa today stumping for Democrats and the crowds were quite impressive for a candidate this early in the stage...





LOL I knew it. Might as well cancel the primaries now; it's going to be a Kamala coronation. Only Bernie could challenge her if he runs.
No poll (albeit not many) has Kamala ahead of Biden, Bernie, or Warren. Ofc she has far less name recognition rn, but I think you're being premature/hyperbolic here. Also, I fail to see how it's a "coronation" considering she's getting grassroots support if those tweets are to be believed.

Beet, in all of his avatars iterations, has an odd fixation on hating Kamala Harris and blaming her for what he sees as an inevitable ethnopolitical party system.

No, I don't blame Harris personally for that, and it's not the reason I dislike her.

However, African Americans (about 20-30% of whom are social/temperamental conservatives) desperately need breathing room to enter the Republican Party. What Kanye and people like Candice Owens are doing, no matter what you think of Trump, is healthy for our democracy and healthy for Black Americans. As long as black people are clustered in one party, the other one (which in a two party system guaranteed a share of power in the long run -- will never be forced to confront its own racism.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: aaroncd107 on October 23, 2018, 08:40:11 PM


Rep. Ro Khanna visiting New Hampshire... if he is thinking about it, then that is telling that 2020 will break all kinds of records, primary-wise. Going to be a wild cycle.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NevadanAtHeart on October 23, 2018, 09:29:06 PM
Harris was in Iowa today stumping for Democrats and the crowds were quite impressive for a candidate this early in the stage...





I mean, if we're using crowds in Iowa as an indicator, Sen. Booker killed it at the Iowa Dems' Fall Gala. Much larger crowd from what I can see. I recognize that it's not exactly grassroots support (although I believe it's not invite-only), but having the support of the individuals who would be at the Gala certainly seems like a precursor to getting resources.

But I don't think crowd sizes are that much of an indicator anyway, especially at this stage in the game when Iowans (and Dems) are clearly amenable to attending political events. O'Malley gets pretty decent crowds. Andrew Yang is probably about to fill a large dining hall in Baltimore pretty soon. Neither one is someone I rate highly as a contender.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 24, 2018, 12:13:32 AM
Buzzfeed has a new story all about Patrick’s deliberations over whether to run for president:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/darrensands/deval-patrick-2020-president-campaign-barack-obama

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But a half dozen people involved with Patrick’s informal discussions were loath to prognosticate about what Patrick will ultimately decide, when the word from on high is to be patient. They said Patrick’s decision felt like a toss-up.
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Aides say that while he is working through ideas, taking meetings, and homing in on a message, Patrick still wants to be assured that a campaign consistent with his character can be successful in 2020. That would mean an idealistic campaign, with a national dialogue about the direction of the country. It would be focused on regular people at the bedrock of a large grassroots organization. “If you can get it right, you can move people,” said one top Patrick aide.
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Patrick has said repeatedly that he’ll make a decision on 2020 at the end of the year. And yet, part of him seems awed by the number of people who come up to him asking him to run. He knows people want hope, but not in some abstract way. They want him, and he takes them seriously. “He remembers what it has been like in his life to know that you’re smart enough and have something to offer but to not have been taken seriously,” said Brendan Ryan, a close Patrick friend who served as his driver in 2005 and also has been his chief of staff. “I don’t think he interprets people’s questions like that or their sentiments as necessarily [being] about him so much as they see somebody who is willing to speak and be a voice for hope and the possibility of it.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 24, 2018, 12:15:09 AM



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 24, 2018, 09:07:19 AM
Castro says he’ll decide right after Nov. 6th:

https://lancasteronline.com/news/politics/q-a-former-hud-secretary-julian-castro-speaks-in-lancaster/article_8a2e7278-d72c-11e8-a76d-b3444f4bf4d1.html

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LNP: You have said you are "likely" to run for president in 2020. What are the factors that will ultimately be part of your decision and when will you decide?

Castro: “I’m going to make the decision right after the Nov. 6 election. There are two things I need to do. I need to have a conversation with my wife at length... And secondly I want to see what happens on Nov. 6 because I’m convinced that these elections set a mood and they send a message from the American people about what folks are thinking.”

Merkley heading back to NH:



Tim Ryan’s already in NH, and says “I don’t really have a timetable” for making the decision about 2020:




Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on October 24, 2018, 07:38:11 PM
Turning Point USA leader Candace Owens may primary Trump...? Or run for some down-ballot NY state position?

https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1055221112316051456


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on October 24, 2018, 08:18:38 PM
Turning Point USA leader Candace Owens may primary Trump...? Or run for some down-ballot NY state position?

https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1055221112316051456

I love how literally the only people constantly cheering on her comments about "enslaved" blacks are white.

Anyways, I would LOVE to watch her get crushed in a state assembly election. She lives in NYC and has an ego bigger than the f***ing Empire State building so she'll probably challenge some entrenched Dem incumbent smack in the middle of the city and lose miserably.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: CherokeeDem on October 24, 2018, 09:30:37 PM
Turning Point USA leader Candace Owens may primary Trump...? Or run for some down-ballot NY state position?

https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1055221112316051456

I love how literally the only people constantly cheering on her comments about "enslaved" blacks are white.

Anyways, I would LOVE to watch her get crushed in a state assembly election. She lives in NYC and has an ego bigger than the f***ing Empire State building so she'll probably challenge some entrenched Dem incumbent smack in the middle of the city and lose miserably.

Watch her run for mayor or something. I can't imagine what she would possibly run for unless she moved.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 24, 2018, 10:47:30 PM
Klobuchar will be in Iowa this weekend:

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2018/10/24/minnesota-amy-klobuchar-visit-iowa-weekend-democrats-caucus-president-trump-kavanaugh-candidate/1750704002/

Bloomberg’s timeline:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-his-newly-adopted-party-hugs-the-left-michael-bloomberg-aims-for-the-center/2018/10/23/8140dd7e-d6c6-11e8-83a2-d1c3da28d6b6_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.eddb6835efae

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[Bloomberg] says he will probably wait a couple months after the election results to make a final decision on a presidential campaign, even though he is clearly doing work in the meantime to plan. The decision probably will hinge not just on the results in November, but on the reception he feels now that he has registered as a Democrat.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 24, 2018, 10:56:44 PM
Here’s a story from a few days ago about the Sanders-Warren “standoff” about whether one or both of them will run for president:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/10/bernie-sanders-running-against-warren-president/573529/

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Sanders hasn’t decided about running, though it weighs heavily on him to make sure Trump loses. Part of the thinking behind his week-long cross-country tour campaigning for other candidates is testing how much his appeal has held up (so far, to over-packed overflow rooms). As Sanders decides whether to run again, advisers often cite the 45 percent of the primary vote he got in 2016, though the senator himself thinks less about getting deference from his performance two years ago than drawing on the strength he’s continued to build since.
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Warren is close to pulling the trigger on a run, and has spent the past two years putting together the pieces for a campaign, accelerating since the end of the summer. This included some deliberate overtures to Sanders’s world, like reaching out to Nina Turner, the former Ohio state senator who now runs the Sanders-inspired group Our Revolution, and to RoseAnn DeMoro, the former head of National Nurses United, which spent millions and went all out for Sanders in 2016.

The Warren analysis is that Sanders’s votes in 2016 had more to do with being the alternative to Hillary Clinton than he likes to admit. For all his strength then, he’s not leading in early public polls, which show him with support in the teens, not far ahead of Warren and behind Joe Biden. She’s a woman at a time when women are proving key to the party’s future. She has an appeal beyond just his supporters, drawing from many Clinton supporters, too.
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At a presentation to Sanders and his inner circle in January, Longabaugh identified Warren as the main obstacle to winning the nomination. Though others at that planning session disagreed with how big of a threat she posed, they were still hoping to avoid it. A rough idea emerged among them of how it would play out: At some point around now—right before or right after the midterms—the two senators would have a conversation. Sanders would tell her what he had decided to do. If he was a go for 2020, he’d expect her to support him, for the sake of the cause. If he decided not to run, it would essentially be permission for her to go ahead, though likely not with his endorsement right away.

Warren and her team, in recent months, started to realize this was the thinking they were coming up against. They always thought it was ridiculous, a one-sided benefit that brought her nothing for working with him or waiting.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 24, 2018, 11:34:29 PM
Castro says he will likely not announce his 2020 intentions until after the start of the new year:

https://www.concordmonitor.com/Democrat-Julian-Castro-2020-back-in-New-Hampshire-21099749


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on October 25, 2018, 12:14:05 AM
Turning Point USA leader Candace Owens may primary Trump...? Or run for some down-ballot NY state position?

https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1055221112316051456

I love how literally the only people constantly cheering on her comments about "enslaved" blacks are white.

Anyways, I would LOVE to watch her get crushed in a state assembly election. She lives in NYC and has an ego bigger than the f***ing Empire State building so she'll probably challenge some entrenched Dem incumbent smack in the middle of the city and lose miserably.

Watch her run for mayor or something. I can't imagine what she would possibly run for unless she moved.

She'll probably do worse than Faith Goldy did in Toronto two days ago.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Comrade Funk on October 25, 2018, 07:08:16 AM
Harris was in Iowa today stumping for Democrats and the crowds were quite impressive for a candidate this early in the stage...





LOL I knew it. Might as well cancel the primaries now; it's going to be a Kamala coronation. Only Bernie could challenge her if he runs.
No poll (albeit not many) has Kamala ahead of Biden, Bernie, or Warren. Ofc she has far less name recognition rn, but I think you're being premature/hyperbolic here. Also, I fail to see how it's a "coronation" considering she's getting grassroots support if those tweets are to be believed.

Beet, in all of his avatars iterations, has an odd fixation on hating Kamala Harris and blaming her for what he sees as an inevitable ethnopolitical party system.

No, I don't blame Harris personally for that, and it's not the reason I dislike her.

However, African Americans (about 20-30% of whom are social/temperamental conservatives) desperately need breathing room to enter the Republican Party. What Kanye and people like Candice Owens are doing, no matter what you think of Trump, is healthy for our democracy and healthy for Black Americans. As long as black people are clustered in one party, the other one (which in a two party system guaranteed a share of power in the long run -- will never be forced to confront its own racism.
So it's up to African Americans to stop Republican racism by joining the Republican Party? Or are you saying something else here. I'm confused.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on October 25, 2018, 07:37:35 AM
Harris was in Iowa today stumping for Democrats and the crowds were quite impressive for a candidate this early in the stage...





Because she will run as a "second Obama" or "Obama in a skirt" in 2020. Look at her ethnic origin and career. I noticed that earlier.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Cassandra on October 25, 2018, 09:43:53 AM
A friend who owns bernie2020.org has been threatened with a lawsuit if he does not turn that domain over.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Grassroots on October 25, 2018, 12:53:49 PM

@JohnKasich - 8:42 AM - 25 Oct 2018

I gave him every chance, but I've come to the conclusion that @realDonaldTrump is simply incapable of being a unifier or accepting any personal responsibility.

Americans deserve more -- so much more -- from a President.


It's happening folks.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on October 25, 2018, 01:04:15 PM
A friend who owns bernie2020.org has been threatened with a lawsuit if he does not turn that domain over.
That was a problem Ron Paul faced in 2012.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 25, 2018, 04:01:09 PM
Gillibrand asked about 2020 ambitions in her Senate debate says "I will serve my six year term":

https://freebeacon.com/politics/gillibrand-pushes-2020-speculation-serve-six-year-term-senate/

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"Just want to make this clear, you're saying that you will not get out of the race and you will not run for president? You will serve your six years?" the moderator asked.

"I will serve my six-year term," Gillibrand responded.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on October 25, 2018, 05:55:05 PM
A friend who owns bernie2020.org has been threatened with a lawsuit if he does not turn that domain over.

Big if true.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Pandaguineapig on October 25, 2018, 06:29:01 PM
Gillibrand asked about 2020 ambitions in her Senate debate says "I will serve my six year term":

https://freebeacon.com/politics/gillibrand-pushes-2020-speculation-serve-six-year-term-senate/

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"Just want to make this clear, you're saying that you will not get out of the race and you will not run for president? You will serve your six years?" the moderator asked.

"I will serve my six-year term," Gillibrand responded.

Technically that's true, she's just going to make a failed presidential run at the beginning of her term


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on October 25, 2018, 07:43:50 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-avenatti-says-2020-democratic-nominee-better-be-a-white-male/

*loosens collar*


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: beaver2.0 on October 25, 2018, 07:44:48 PM
A friend who owns bernie2020.org has been threatened with a lawsuit if he does not turn that domain over.
On what grounds?  Is there any legal reason to do that?

And Deval Patrick?  He's a has been.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on October 25, 2018, 07:50:49 PM
Gillibrand asked about 2020 ambitions in her Senate debate says "I will serve my six year term":

https://freebeacon.com/politics/gillibrand-pushes-2020-speculation-serve-six-year-term-senate/

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"Just want to make this clear, you're saying that you will not get out of the race and you will not run for president? You will serve your six years?" the moderator asked.

"I will serve my six-year term," Gillibrand responded.

Technically that's true, she's just going to make a failed presidential run at the beginning of her term

I'm inclined to agree due to Gillibrand's big sprint left these past 2 years, but she really has been pretty direct with her denials. Also doesn't seem to be nearly as active in early primary states as some of the other guys. What's going on here?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ON Progressive on October 25, 2018, 07:55:21 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-avenatti-says-2020-democratic-nominee-better-be-a-white-male/

*loosens collar*

Yeah, he has a 0% chance of winning. This makes nobody more likely to vote for him and the majority of the electorate less likely to vote for him in a Democratic primary.

I am aware that what he's saying sounds a lot less bad in context/in full, but since when have voters cared about context?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon on October 25, 2018, 07:59:36 PM
Avenatti goes full racist and sexist: Michael Avenatti Says The Next Democratic Nominee For President 'Better Be A White Male' In Time Interview
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/michael-avenatti-next-democratic-nominee-for-president-white-male-time-magazine_us_5bd1f5e7e4b0a8f17ef58216

Of course, he's thinking of himself, a white man.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Pandaguineapig on October 25, 2018, 09:55:41 PM
Avenatti goes full racist and sexist: Michael Avenatti Says The Next Democratic Nominee For President 'Better Be A White Male' In Time Interview
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/michael-avenatti-next-democratic-nominee-for-president-white-male-time-magazine_us_5bd1f5e7e4b0a8f17ef58216

Of course, he's thinking of himself, a white man.
The fact that NBC is turning on him is proof that they don't think their useful idiot is useful anymore


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 25, 2018, 10:04:40 PM
Biden headed to Iowa on Tuesday:

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2018/10/25/joe-biden-visit-iowa-abby-finkenauer-fred-hubbell-2018-2020-midterms-president-caucus/1768916002/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 25, 2018, 10:57:37 PM
Sanders shooting hoops:

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And here he is talking about 2020:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rubycramer/bernie-sanders-2020-president-campaign-midterm-elections

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“Jeff and I were just talking about this the other day. I think when you look at the kind of candidate who can beat Trump, you’re probably looking at the battleground states,” he says, citing a recent poll in Florida. “Probably what you’re looking at in terms of beating Trump is what candidate could do well in those battleground states, and that is the ability to speak to working people — whether they’re black or white or Latino.”

“As I think about this thing, am I thinking about which candidate is the strongest in order to beat Trump? Yes, of course.” Is it the number one question? “I think it is, yes. And we’ve got some great candidates. I know all of them. And they’re really good. But I think the question that all of us are going to have to sit down and determine is—” Sanders pauses. “Trump is — he is a liar. He’s a tough candidate to take on. So we have to go with the best candidate.”

On the trip, watching Sanders, there are points at which you wonder whether he really wants to do this again. In Indiana, he leaves a meeting with laid-off workers, many of whom are in tears after sharing their stories with Sanders, only to be asked moments later in an interview about potential 2020 rivals like Kamala Harris and Cory Booker. (“What the media likes is new new news,” he says. “Am I frustrated? No. I’m used to it.”) In South Carolina, where he lost the primary to Clinton by more than 47 points in a struggle to win over black voters, Sanders had to defend his decision to come to the state after some Democrats suggested that his presence only did damage to the state ticket. (“It’s funny,” he told a crowd of about 900 people. “I was told there were no progressives in South Carolina. I was told no one would show up to a gathering like this.”)

But there are far more moments where Sanders doesn’t look like a guy who’s slowing down anytime soon. On a perfect fall day in downtown Ames, he flashes a rare smile, grinning as he leads a parade down Main Street. At the University of Michigan, when the rally fills the school auditorium, he takes the stage and pauses to take in the crowd. And after meeting with a group of local voters Sunday, he can’t stop talking about how he met a woman who works full-time as a college professor but has to work nights at Target to make ends meet: “That is what media should be focusing on. That is the news.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RI on October 26, 2018, 04:39:57 PM

@JohnKasich - 8:42 AM - 25 Oct 2018

I gave him every chance, but I've come to the conclusion that @realDonaldTrump is simply incapable of being a unifier or accepting any personal responsibility.

Americans deserve more -- so much more -- from a President.


It's happening folks.

Kasich really, really disappointed me during the Kavanaugh confirmation. I supported him in 2016, but I don't know if I could in 2020 after his antics the past year or so.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: LAKISYLVANIA on October 26, 2018, 05:23:39 PM
Harris was in Iowa today stumping for Democrats and the crowds were quite impressive for a candidate this early in the stage...





Please don't tell me it's rigged again?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Pandaguineapig on October 26, 2018, 05:40:55 PM

@JohnKasich - 8:42 AM - 25 Oct 2018

I gave him every chance, but I've come to the conclusion that @realDonaldTrump is simply incapable of being a unifier or accepting any personal responsibility.

Americans deserve more -- so much more -- from a President.


It's happening folks.

Kasich really, really disappointed me during the Kavanaugh confirmation. I supported him in 2016, but I don't know if I could in 2020 after his antics the past year or so.
John Kasich really has an addiction to media coverage, I liked the guy in 2016 but his constant attention seeking from the Kavanaugh hearing to the Florida shooting is really getting pathetic.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 26, 2018, 11:14:11 PM
Harris:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/glimpse-2020-kamala-harris-connects-female-supporters-iowa/story?id=58754888

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Prior to her Iowa trip, Politico reported that Harris transferred $25,000 to the state parties in the first four states holding presidential nomination contests in 2020: Iowa, South Carolina, Nevada and New Hampshire.

Booker was in Nevada this week:

https://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/local-news/us-sen-cory-booker-campaigns-for-dems-speaks-to-law-students-at-boyd-school-of-law/1547685535

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When Booker was asked about his potential 2020 plans to run for president, he said he was focused on the mid-term elections coming up in about two weeks. 

As Bullock heads to Iowa, he’s asked about 2020:

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2018/10/26/iowa-elections-2018-vote-montana-gov-steve-bullock-iowa-president-trump-caucuses-rob-sand-cindy-axne/1774812002/

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"I haven’t set a timeline for me that this is when I have to make decisions," he said in an interview with the Des Moines Register. "If I have something to offer the conversation, to make sure that we’re doing what we can to make this the country that I believe in, well, that’s interesting and enticing. But for now, it’s probably about as far as it goes."

That story notes that O’Malley will also be in Iowa this weekend.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 27, 2018, 08:24:17 PM
This story's a couple of months old now, but I missed it at the time:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/the-new-dr-no-rep-justin-amash-marooned-in-congress/2018/07/31/5e9f9ca2-90e8-11e8-8322-b5482bf5e0f5_story.html?utm_term=.d979599338e0

It covers Amash's continued dissatisfaction with the direction of the GOP.  E.g.:

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“I was optimistic until about two or three years ago,” Amash said this week, in an interview at his congressional office. “Things have really taken a turn for the worse, in terms of the growth of libertarianism in Congress. You have some bright spots here and there. But for the most part, the party’s become more nationalistic, more anti-trade.”

The ICE vote was a clear example of how the nationalist branch of libertarianism had won out: Conservatives and almost all of the libertarians who once viewed the Department of Homeland Security and its attendant parts as a dangerous government leviathan had learned to love it.

“It was all ‘owning the libs,’ as they say,” Amash said. “Republicans have been calling for abolishing DHS for a long time. I heard that as recently as the past few years. That was a mainstream, conservative viewpoint.”

I mention it here, as Amash, through his spokeswoman, did give a "no comment" on a 2020 run last year:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=233345.msg5774366#msg5774366

At this point, his lack of signaling in that direction means he's probably not running, but we'll see.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon on October 27, 2018, 09:51:39 PM
Opinion piece on Sherrod: https://articles.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2018/10/will_a_landslide_win_for_sherr.amp


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Karpatsky on October 27, 2018, 09:56:04 PM
Opinion piece on Sherrod: https://articles.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2018/10/will_a_landslide_win_for_sherr.amp

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that they let such economically illiterate people be journalists, but I still am.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 28, 2018, 10:14:56 AM
Al Hunt reports that "in private conversations with top politicians" Biden has repeatedly insisted that he'll make his decision in early 2019, and won't drag it out like last time.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-10-28/oe-biden-will-tell-us-his-2020-presidential-plans-soon

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His family has given him the green light but the residual effects of his son's death remain. He figures he has about 10 more good years, and does he want to spend them in the pressure cooker of campaigning and governing? As a two-time presidential candidate and after spending eight years as vice president, he knows it takes 100 percent.

He's not there yet. And three months is a short time to get there.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 28, 2018, 05:39:22 PM
Looks like when reporters tried to follow up with Gillibrand on her promise to serve a six year term, she implied that a run for president next year is very much still on the table:

https://buffalonews.com/2018/10/27/gillibrand-on-running-for-president-i-can-think-about-it-later/

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U.S. Sen. Kirsten E. Gillibrand said Friday she isn't prepared to make a decision now on whether to run for president.

“I definitely think about how I can help New Yorkers and how I can be successful in getting more things done in Washington," Gillibrand said. "But, aspiring to a higher office is a very big decision. That’s why I’m not prepared to make it right now.”

Because why?

“I can think about it later," Gillibrand said during a meeting Friday with editors and reporters at The Buffalo News.

But Gillibrand stopped short of saying she wouldn't run, despite a statement during a Thursday night debate that she would serve her six-year Senate term if elected.

“I’m really running for Senate," Gillibrand said Friday in Buffalo. "I’m focused on my Senate race, and it’s important to serve in the Senate for New York, and there’s a lot of work still to be done in the Senate."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: TheSaint250 on October 28, 2018, 06:46:07 PM
She flip-flopped on her commitment to serve out her term faster than she flip-flopped on her own beliefs.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 28, 2018, 09:19:57 PM
O’Malley, in Iowa this weekend, was asked about 2020:

https://qctimes.com/news/presidential-hopefuls-for----declared-and-undeclared-/article_6b5e050b-e9f2-5291-87e7-4af6003ae446.html

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“A big part of me would very much like to run again, and there’s pieces of it that I still have to figure out,” O’Malley said after spending about an hour chatting with folks and snacking on hors d'oeuvres. “And I know the clock’s ticking. And those of us who are unannounced certainly need to be in it pretty soon.”

Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton, while saying that she doesn’t want to run again, does say that she wants to be president:

https://www.recode.net/2018/10/27/18032550/hillary-clinton-kara-swisher-92y-recode-decode-live-podcast-transcript

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Q: We’re going to talk about 2020 in a minute. Do you want to run again?

Clinton: No. No.

Q: That was a pause...

Clinton: Well I’d like to be president. I think, hopefully, when we have a Democrat in the Oval Office in January of 2021, there’s going to be so much work to be done. I mean we have confused everybody in the world, including ourselves. We have confused our friends and our enemies. They have no idea what the United States stands for, what we’re likely to do, what we think is important, so the work would be work that I feel very well prepared for having been at the Senate for eight years, having been a diplomat in the State department, and it’s just going to be a lot of heavy lifting.

Q: So are you going to be doing any of that lifting? Do you feel like ...

Clinton: Oh I have no idea, Kara, but I’m going to ... I’m not even going to even think about it til we get through this November 6 election about what’s going to happen after that, but I’m going to everything in my power to make sure we have a Democrat in the White House come January of 2021.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Doimper on October 29, 2018, 12:09:27 AM

Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton, while saying that she doesn’t want to run again, does say that she wants to be president:

https://www.recode.net/2018/10/27/18032550/hillary-clinton-kara-swisher-92y-recode-decode-live-podcast-transcript

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Q: We’re going to talk about 2020 in a minute. Do you want to run again?

Clinton: No. No.

Q: That was a pause...

Clinton: Well I’d like to be president. I think, hopefully, when we have a Democrat in the Oval Office in January of 2021, there’s going to be so much work to be done. I mean we have confused everybody in the world, including ourselves. We have confused our friends and our enemies. They have no idea what the United States stands for, what we’re likely to do, what we think is important, so the work would be work that I feel very well prepared for having been at the Senate for eight years, having been a diplomat in the State department, and it’s just going to be a lot of heavy lifting.

Q: So are you going to be doing any of that lifting? Do you feel like ...

Clinton: Oh I have no idea, Kara, but I’m going to ... I’m not even going to even think about it til we get through this November 6 election about what’s going to happen after that, but I’m going to everything in my power to make sure we have a Democrat in the White House come January of 2021.


Hmm


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NewYorkExpress on October 29, 2018, 01:11:16 AM

Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton, while saying that she doesn’t want to run again, does say that she wants to be president:

https://www.recode.net/2018/10/27/18032550/hillary-clinton-kara-swisher-92y-recode-decode-live-podcast-transcript

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Q: We’re going to talk about 2020 in a minute. Do you want to run again?

Clinton: No. No.

Q: That was a pause...

Clinton: Well I’d like to be president. I think, hopefully, when we have a Democrat in the Oval Office in January of 2021, there’s going to be so much work to be done. I mean we have confused everybody in the world, including ourselves. We have confused our friends and our enemies. They have no idea what the United States stands for, what we’re likely to do, what we think is important, so the work would be work that I feel very well prepared for having been at the Senate for eight years, having been a diplomat in the State department, and it’s just going to be a lot of heavy lifting.

Q: So are you going to be doing any of that lifting? Do you feel like ...

Clinton: Oh I have no idea, Kara, but I’m going to ... I’m not even going to even think about it til we get through this November 6 election about what’s going to happen after that, but I’m going to everything in my power to make sure we have a Democrat in the White House come January of 2021.


Hmm

Hillary's going to get picked Vice President, and then she's going to push the President in front a Washington Metro train.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: CookieDamage on October 29, 2018, 02:53:49 AM

Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton, while saying that she doesn’t want to run again, does say that she wants to be president:

https://www.recode.net/2018/10/27/18032550/hillary-clinton-kara-swisher-92y-recode-decode-live-podcast-transcript

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Q: We’re going to talk about 2020 in a minute. Do you want to run again?

Clinton: No. No.

Q: That was a pause...

Clinton: Well I’d like to be president. I think, hopefully, when we have a Democrat in the Oval Office in January of 2021, there’s going to be so much work to be done. I mean we have confused everybody in the world, including ourselves. We have confused our friends and our enemies. They have no idea what the United States stands for, what we’re likely to do, what we think is important, so the work would be work that I feel very well prepared for having been at the Senate for eight years, having been a diplomat in the State department, and it’s just going to be a lot of heavy lifting.

Q: So are you going to be doing any of that lifting? Do you feel like ...

Clinton: Oh I have no idea, Kara, but I’m going to ... I’m not even going to even think about it til we get through this November 6 election about what’s going to happen after that, but I’m going to everything in my power to make sure we have a Democrat in the White House come January of 2021.


Hmm

I don't think she's egotistical enough to believe she'd win in a crowded primary. They'd eat her alive.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 29, 2018, 09:10:35 AM
Avenatti assembling his team:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/29/michael-avenatti-2020-election-campaign-944994

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Two sources close to the Avenatti operation confirmed that John Robinson, who worked as a chief operating officer for Bernie Sanders‘ 2016 campaign and has worked with former presidential candidates John Edwards and Al Gore, has consulted with Avenatti for about two months. If Avenatti runs, he is likely to tap Robinson as his own operations chief, the sources said.

Also among those whom Avenatti regularly, but unofficially, seeks advice from is Jack Quinn, a former White House counsel under Bill Clinton. Quinn said he plays no formal role in any campaign but acknowledged he’s given Avenatti advice as he would to any potential 2020 candidate.

Quinn’s wife recently threw a private dinner for Avenatti at the couple’s home, bringing him in front of D.C. media, while Quinn took Avenatti to an economic summit event in D.C., according to an Avenatti aide.

Another experienced Democratic hand, Adam Parkhomenko, a Hillary Clinton adviser who founded the Ready for Hillary super PAC, is acting as a liaison between Avenatti and Democratic National Committee members, superdelegates, and state party leaders.

“He’s absolutely the person I’m supporting in the 2020 primary, should he decide to run,” Parkhomenko told POLITICO. “I think he is 90 to 95 percent leaning toward doing it.”
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Those in and around Avenatti’s nascent political organization say the on-the-ground visits and personal outreach demonstrate how seriously invested he is in a potential presidential run, belying the notion that the attorney is floating the idea in a quest for publicity, as some critics believe.

“It’s not a publicity stunt, that’s absurd,” he said. “If I weren’t serious about this I wouldn’t go through all this effort to explore.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 29, 2018, 10:11:32 AM
From a dispatch on Deval Patrick's trip to South Carolina:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/10/why-deval-patrick-might-run-president/574222/

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Patrick is looking for a feeling. He’s trying to convince himself that the country and electorate he wants to believe in actually does exist, and that it’s going to be worth it for him to throw his life and his wife into what a presidential campaign would demand.

“I was feeling all kinds of pressure from the wise guys and gals that you’ve got to make a decision by X date, or so on” Patrick said. “I don’t care about any of that anymore. I’ll make a decision when I feel like I have a decision to make.”

For now, Patrick is keeping his day job—at Bain Capital, which the Obama re-election campaign invested millions in trashing because of the time Mitt Romney spent there, and which is the first thing that most smart Democrats bring up to explain why they can’t imagine how Patrick would be viable.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on October 29, 2018, 11:01:54 AM
Avenatti assembling his team:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/29/michael-avenatti-2020-election-campaign-944994

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Two sources close to the Avenatti operation confirmed that John Robinson, who worked as a chief operating officer for Bernie Sanders‘ 2016 campaign and has worked with former presidential candidates John Edwards and Al Gore, has consulted with Avenatti for about two months. If Avenatti runs, he is likely to tap Robinson as his own operations chief, the sources said.

Also among those whom Avenatti regularly, but unofficially, seeks advice from is Jack Quinn, a former White House counsel under Bill Clinton. Quinn said he plays no formal role in any campaign but acknowledged he’s given Avenatti advice as he would to any potential 2020 candidate.

Quinn’s wife recently threw a private dinner for Avenatti at the couple’s home, bringing him in front of D.C. media, while Quinn took Avenatti to an economic summit event in D.C., according to an Avenatti aide.

Another experienced Democratic hand, Adam Parkhomenko, a Hillary Clinton adviser who founded the Ready for Hillary super PAC, is acting as a liaison between Avenatti and Democratic National Committee members, superdelegates, and state party leaders.

“He’s absolutely the person I’m supporting in the 2020 primary, should he decide to run,” Parkhomenko told POLITICO. “I think he is 90 to 95 percent leaning toward doing it.”
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Those in and around Avenatti’s nascent political organization say the on-the-ground visits and personal outreach demonstrate how seriously invested he is in a potential presidential run, belying the notion that the attorney is floating the idea in a quest for publicity, as some critics believe.

“It’s not a publicity stunt, that’s absurd,” he said. “If I weren’t serious about this I wouldn’t go through all this effort to explore.”

Hearing some of those middle-tier level operatives attempting to portray themselves as political "heavyweights" was more hilarious than Avenatti's prospective candidacy itself.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 29, 2018, 07:22:51 PM
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/413746-team-clinton-says-theres-no-way-hillarys-running-again

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Hillary Clinton is not running for president again, longtime advisers and confidants said on Monday as they pushed back on reports that the 2016 Democratic nominee is weighing another White House run.

The allies acknowledge Clinton is wistful about what could have been had she won the presidential election against Donald Trump and wants to continue to help the Democratic Party. But they say her plans do not include another presidential bid.

“She’s more likely to win Powerball,” Philippe Reines, Clinton’s longtime adviser, told The Hill on Monday.

Another longtime confidant added, “She’s not running. I think it would be pretty damn clear if she was.”

Confidants say there isn’t anyone behind the scenes trying to sway her to enter what is expected to be a crowded 2020 field. Likewise, there aren’t any internal discussions about the presidential race and there isn’t a ramp up of staff either.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 30, 2018, 09:03:11 AM
Sanders not committing to serving his full term in the Senate:

https://www.sevendaysvt.com/OffMessage/archives/2018/10/29/with-2020-presidential-run-a-possibility-bernie-sanders-wont-pledge-to-serve-full-senate-term

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“Right now, my focus is on the year 2018, but if you’re asking me to make an absolute pledge as to whether I’ll be running for president or not, I’m not going to make that pledge,” Vermont's junior senator said. “The simple truth is I have not made that decision. But I’m not going to sit here and tell you that I may not run. I may. But on the other hand, I may not.”

Asked again whether he would commit to serving out a third term, Sanders said, “If I’m elected president of the United States? Mmm. Probably impossible to be a senator and a president at the same time. So the answer to that is probably no. But I haven’t made that decision as to whether I’ll run.”

He added, “If I run [for president] and win, the likelihood is I will not be Vermont’s senator.”

Garcetti on running for prez in the last minute or so of this interview: “I’ll keep thinking about it”:

https://cheddar.com/videos/l-a-mayor-eric-garcetti-on-tech-diversity-and-his-2020-plans


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on October 30, 2018, 07:16:51 PM
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/413746-team-clinton-says-theres-no-way-hillarys-running-again

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Hillary Clinton is not running for president again, longtime advisers and confidants said on Monday as they pushed back on reports that the 2016 Democratic nominee is weighing another White House run.

The allies acknowledge Clinton is wistful about what could have been had she won the presidential election against Donald Trump and wants to continue to help the Democratic Party. But they say her plans do not include another presidential bid.

“She’s more likely to win Powerball,” Philippe Reines, Clinton’s longtime adviser, told The Hill on Monday.

Another longtime confidant added, “She’s not running. I think it would be pretty damn clear if she was.”

Confidants say there isn’t anyone behind the scenes trying to sway her to enter what is expected to be a crowded 2020 field. Likewise, there aren’t any internal discussions about the presidential race and there isn’t a ramp up of staff either.


I hope this puts that to rest...though I doubt it will.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 30, 2018, 10:29:18 PM
Bloomberg on 2020:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/413777-bloomberg-hints-at-2020-run-ill-take-a-look-at-it

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“I am focusing on Nov. 6 and then I've said, you know, a few months later I'll take a look at it and see,” Bloomberg said in an interview with CNN released Monday.

“I'm trying to go to as many places as I can in this country and talk to people and see what's on their mind and understand whether I think with my experience I could help them get where they want to go and then try to convince them that I'm the right person for it,” the former mayor continued.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 31, 2018, 08:35:25 AM
Hickenlooper's in NH today:

https://www.concordmonitor.com/Hickenlooper-to-visit-new-hampshire-2020-watch-21223288

Steyer is interviewed by Rolling Stone, and says (about a presidential run): "I said wait until after November 6, and let’s see what happens.":

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/tom-steyer-2020-749806/

Another interesting tidbit there was about Steyer's religious background:

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"My father was Jewish. My mom was Episcopalian. I was pretty unreligious until I had kids and I started to go to church just to introduce them to the idea of the almighty. And the person who was the most affected by it was me. I feel very lucky to have God in my life. But I would never walk away from my Jewish identity. I view myself as a mutt and I think that’s very American."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 31, 2018, 03:38:05 PM
Hickenlooper, while in NH, says he's "leaning strongly" towards running:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/john-hickenlooper-leaning-strongly-toward-a-2020-presidential-run

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At Root's Cafe in Hooksett, N.H., where the governor is campaigning for down-ballot Democrats, Hickenlooper said, "I'm the governor of Colorado and I'm gonna run for president." WMUR, a local New Hampshire TV station, reporter, Adam Sexton also reported that Hickenlooper said to a different person during the campaign stop, "I'm John Hickenlooper and I'm running for president. You're the first person in New Hampshire I've said that to."

Shortly after making the statement, however, Hickenlooper clarified he hadn't "made a final decision."

"If I say I'm absolutely doing it, then there are all kinds of legal ramifications," said the governor, "so I'll say I'm leaning strongly."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: tosk on October 31, 2018, 06:47:56 PM
Hickenlooper, while in NH, says he's "leaning strongly" towards running:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/john-hickenlooper-leaning-strongly-toward-a-2020-presidential-run

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At Root's Cafe in Hooksett, N.H., where the governor is campaigning for down-ballot Democrats, Hickenlooper said, "I'm the governor of Colorado and I'm gonna run for president." WMUR, a local New Hampshire TV station, reporter, Adam Sexton also reported that Hickenlooper said to a different person during the campaign stop, "I'm John Hickenlooper and I'm running for president. You're the first person in New Hampshire I've said that to."

Shortly after making the statement, however, Hickenlooper clarified he hadn't "made a final decision."

"If I say I'm absolutely doing it, then there are all kinds of legal ramifications," said the governor, "so I'll say I'm leaning strongly."


ooooOOOOooOooOoooOhhh


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on October 31, 2018, 07:25:37 PM
Hickenlooper, while in NH, says he's "leaning strongly" towards running:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/john-hickenlooper-leaning-strongly-toward-a-2020-presidential-run

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At Root's Cafe in Hooksett, N.H., where the governor is campaigning for down-ballot Democrats, Hickenlooper said, "I'm the governor of Colorado and I'm gonna run for president." WMUR, a local New Hampshire TV station, reporter, Adam Sexton also reported that Hickenlooper said to a different person during the campaign stop, "I'm John Hickenlooper and I'm running for president. You're the first person in New Hampshire I've said that to."

Shortly after making the statement, however, Hickenlooper clarified he hadn't "made a final decision."

"If I say I'm absolutely doing it, then there are all kinds of legal ramifications," said the governor, "so I'll say I'm leaning strongly."


ooooOOOOooOooOoooOhhh

Another person who won't make the main debate stage.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on October 31, 2018, 07:49:24 PM
Hickenlooper, while in NH, says he's "leaning strongly" towards running:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/john-hickenlooper-leaning-strongly-toward-a-2020-presidential-run

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At Root's Cafe in Hooksett, N.H., where the governor is campaigning for down-ballot Democrats, Hickenlooper said, "I'm the governor of Colorado and I'm gonna run for president." WMUR, a local New Hampshire TV station, reporter, Adam Sexton also reported that Hickenlooper said to a different person during the campaign stop, "I'm John Hickenlooper and I'm running for president. You're the first person in New Hampshire I've said that to."

Shortly after making the statement, however, Hickenlooper clarified he hadn't "made a final decision."

"If I say I'm absolutely doing it, then there are all kinds of legal ramifications," said the governor, "so I'll say I'm leaning strongly."


ooooOOOOooOooOoooOhhh

Another person who won't make the main debate stage.

Yeah, I don't see him getting very far either. Maybe he would make a decent running mate, but more than anything he should run against Gardner in 2020.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 31, 2018, 09:23:31 PM
https://patch.com/oregon/portland/president-merkley-oregon-senator-eyes-white-house-run-2020

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[Merkley's] spokeswoman tells Patch that while he's considering a run, right now he's focused on the midterms. That happens next week, so a decision could come sooner rather than later.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 01, 2018, 07:44:16 AM
Sherrod Brown:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/31/sherrod-brown-no-real-interest-in-running-against-trump.html

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Brown: I don't like the idea of running for president. I don't really have any real interest in that.

Harwood: But I saw that you said to one of your home state newspapers you think about it from time to time, and you get people talking to you about it.

Brown: No news on this story, sorry. I don't aspire to be president of the United States. I know my name's mentioned because I win in a Trump state.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 01, 2018, 08:40:41 AM
Harris is in Nevada today, stumping for Rosen:

https://www.rgj.com/story/news/politics/2018/10/31/kamala-harris-looks-boost-rosen-reno-stop/1835212002/

With this, she will have been in 3 of the 4 early primary states within the past month (NH being the only one she's skipped).


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on November 01, 2018, 10:06:54 AM
Sherrod Brown:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/31/sherrod-brown-no-real-interest-in-running-against-trump.html

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Brown: I don't like the idea of running for president. I don't really have any real interest in that.

Harwood: But I saw that you said to one of your home state newspapers you think about it from time to time, and you get people talking to you about it.

Brown: No news on this story, sorry. I don't aspire to be president of the United States. I know my name's mentioned because I win in a Trump state.


Funny story, recently I went to an event with Brown and when Brown answered some questions somebody said "Sherrod, make sure you stay away from 2020!" I've come to terms with the fact he's not gonna run, so I agree with that guy. HE'S OURS.

If he did run, his constituency would be completely eaten up by Sanders and/or Warren, plus Tim Ryan is definitely running and he's not gonna mess with that. I believe him.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on November 01, 2018, 08:11:53 PM
This might have been posted already, but I just got a text that Bernie will be in NH on Sunday. He'll be in Durham (where UNH is) and Manchester.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 01, 2018, 11:15:05 PM
Avenatti’s released his first political ad:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/01/avenatti-political-ad-953758

Oprah Winfrey asked about 2020 while in Georgia:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/414349-oprah-im-not-running-for-president-in-2020

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"I don’t want to run," she said. "I’m not trying to test any waters. Don’t want to go in those waters. I’m here today because of Stacey Abrams."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 01, 2018, 11:55:06 PM
Sasse says it’s unlikely he’ll run for president in 2020:

https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/ben-sasse-donald-trump-challenge-2020

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“I honestly spent 16 months cleaning up then two-year old baby vomit off the floor of a campaign bus, and the thought of doing that in 50 states instead of just 93 counties sounds absolutely terrible,” Sasse said. “So I think noxious weed control board of Dodge County, Nebraska, is the far more probable scenario for me.”

He also said he was intentionally not thinking about whether to run for the Senate again in two years.

“We said for the first four-and-a-half years of my six term, we would act like I’m never running for anything again, and we’re going to have a big family meeting — my wife and I will have an extended date in July-August of 2019 and think what future callings we think we have.” Sasse said of his family situation. “Right now, I have the two best callings, which is to raise three little kids on the road back and forth, and getting to serve the people of Nebraska.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NewYorkExpress on November 01, 2018, 11:56:40 PM
Sasse says it’s unlikely he’ll run for president in 2020:

https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/ben-sasse-donald-trump-challenge-2020

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“I honestly spent 16 months cleaning up then two-year old baby vomit off the floor of a campaign bus, and the thought of doing that in 50 states instead of just 93 counties sounds absolutely terrible,” Sasse said. “So I think noxious weed control board of Dodge County, Nebraska, is the far more probable scenario for me.”

He also said he was intentionally not thinking about whether to run for the Senate again in two years.

“We said for the first four-and-a-half years of my six term, we would act like I’m never running for anything again, and we’re going to have a big family meeting — my wife and I will have an extended date in July-August of 2019 and think what future callings we think we have.” Sasse said of his family situation. “Right now, I have the two best callings, which is to raise three little kids on the road back and forth, and getting to serve the people of Nebraska.”


The way Sasse is talking, he might retire outright, and leave an open seat.

Too bad the Democrats don't have anyone in Nebraska who could make the race interesting...


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on November 02, 2018, 04:52:12 PM
Sasse says it’s unlikely he’ll run for president in 2020:

https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/ben-sasse-donald-trump-challenge-2020

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“I honestly spent 16 months cleaning up then two-year old baby vomit off the floor of a campaign bus, and the thought of doing that in 50 states instead of just 93 counties sounds absolutely terrible,” Sasse said. “So I think noxious weed control board of Dodge County, Nebraska, is the far more probable scenario for me.”

He also said he was intentionally not thinking about whether to run for the Senate again in two years.

“We said for the first four-and-a-half years of my six term, we would act like I’m never running for anything again, and we’re going to have a big family meeting — my wife and I will have an extended date in July-August of 2019 and think what future callings we think we have.” Sasse said of his family situation. “Right now, I have the two best callings, which is to raise three little kids on the road back and forth, and getting to serve the people of Nebraska.”


The way Sasse is talking, he might retire outright, and leave an open seat.

Too bad the Democrats don't have anyone in Nebraska who could make the race interesting...

So why he run for Senate in 2014? To leave in 2020?

He truly would want to run for president, just like Cruz, Rubio, Haley or ex. DeSantis (from the younger generation of GOP-ers) but he sees that has nearly no chances.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NewYorkExpress on November 02, 2018, 05:02:31 PM
Sasse says it’s unlikely he’ll run for president in 2020:

https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/ben-sasse-donald-trump-challenge-2020

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“I honestly spent 16 months cleaning up then two-year old baby vomit off the floor of a campaign bus, and the thought of doing that in 50 states instead of just 93 counties sounds absolutely terrible,” Sasse said. “So I think noxious weed control board of Dodge County, Nebraska, is the far more probable scenario for me.”

He also said he was intentionally not thinking about whether to run for the Senate again in two years.

“We said for the first four-and-a-half years of my six term, we would act like I’m never running for anything again, and we’re going to have a big family meeting — my wife and I will have an extended date in July-August of 2019 and think what future callings we think we have.” Sasse said of his family situation. “Right now, I have the two best callings, which is to raise three little kids on the road back and forth, and getting to serve the people of Nebraska.”


The way Sasse is talking, he might retire outright, and leave an open seat.

Too bad the Democrats don't have anyone in Nebraska who could make the race interesting...

So why he run for Senate in 2014? To leave in 2020?

He truly would want to run for president, just like Cruz, Rubio, Haley or ex. DeSantis (rom the younger generation of GOP-ers) but he sees that has nearly no chances.

Like Flake, Corker et cetera., he's frustrated with what the Republican Party is becoming and is unhappy at remaining a Senator.

If he were up in 2022 instead, I think he''d probably run for Governor.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on November 02, 2018, 06:27:00 PM
Michael Avenatti has released his first ever campaign ad, aimed toward the midterms next week.

https://www.politico.com/video/2018/11/01/michael-avenattis-first-2020-ad-067458


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Obama-Biden Democrat on November 02, 2018, 08:45:14 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/9tm9oo/i_am_senator_bernie_sanders_ask_me_anything/

Bernard has a Reddit AMA.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ○∙◄☻Ątπ[╪AV┼cVę└ on November 02, 2018, 08:48:06 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/9tm9oo/i_am_senator_bernie_sanders_ask_me_anything/

Bernard has a Reddit AMA.

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My favorite book at the moment is a brand new book that I wrote that will be coming out in a couple weeks called “Where We Go From Here” and this book talks about the work that I and other progressives have been doing over the last two years in opposition to Trump’s reactionary agenda and how we go forward in creating a government that works for all, and not just the wealthy few.

He's running.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: scutosaurus on November 02, 2018, 09:20:56 PM
I don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet, as the article is from June, but Abercrombie is writing a book, which he hopes to publish next year.

http://www.kitv.com/story/38549883/former-governor-abercrombie-writing-political-book (http://www.kitv.com/story/38549883/former-governor-abercrombie-writing-political-book)

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After a moment, Abercrombie says his conscience doesn't regret the choice. "It would have cost me if I didn't do it. Because I thought that was the right thing to do for Hawaii."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on November 02, 2018, 09:23:33 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/9tm9oo/i_am_senator_bernie_sanders_ask_me_anything/

Bernard has a Reddit AMA.

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My favorite book at the moment is a brand new book that I wrote that will be coming out in a couple weeks called “Where We Go From Here” and this book talks about the work that I and other progressives have been doing over the last two years in opposition to Trump’s reactionary agenda and how we go forward in creating a government that works for all, and not just the wealthy few.

He's running.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 03, 2018, 12:31:06 AM
I already mentioned Harris’s visit to Nevada this week, but Steyer was there too:

https://news3lv.com/news/local/early-voting-poised-to-finish-strong-in-clark-county

Booker on 2020:

https://kywnewsradio.radio.com/articles/news/sen-cory-booker-works-midterms-amid-talk-possible-2020-white-house-run

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As for his own future, Booker admitted he doesn't know. “I haven’t even put my intellectual energy there because the moment we are in now is so urgent.”

Swalwell in New Hampshire, talks 2020 decision:

http://bangordailynews.com/2018/11/02/news/new-england/california-congressman-hints-at-run-for-president-in-nh-visit

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The California Democrat shared his 2020 timetable in an interview Thursday at the home of Democratic state Sen. Martha Fuller Clark, his first stop in a jam-packed swing through New Hampshire, the state that traditionally holds the first primary in the race for the White House.

“I want to see how we do in the midterms, kind of take a pulse of the country. See where the country is,” the 37-year old three-term congressman said. “It’s a big decision. But I would expect that decision would happen right at the turn of the year.”
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Swalwell was in New Hampshire just days after his wife gave birth to their second child. “My wife and I just had a little girl last week, so we’re just climbing out of that,” he shared.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on November 03, 2018, 04:52:19 PM
I already mentioned Harris’s visit to Nevada this week, but Steyer was there too:

https://news3lv.com/news/local/early-voting-poised-to-finish-strong-in-clark-county


Michael Avenatti has released his first ever campaign ad, aimed toward the midterms next week.

https://www.politico.com/video/2018/11/01/michael-avenattis-first-2020-ad-067458

God, no!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: LabourJersey on November 03, 2018, 05:39:19 PM
So is Swalwell gonna launch a vanity campaign just to get Californians to notice him?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 03, 2018, 06:27:55 PM
O’Malley’s in Nevada today:

https://twitter.com/MartinOMalley/status/1058834089061560320

He’s also now started putting out campaign-style Youtube videos at a rate of more than one a day, in his “This We Believe” series.  E.g.:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc7OrZxOR3w

These videos are full of his fortune cookie-like sayings (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=262111.0), e.g.:

“We are stumbling backwards into the future, but the world only spins forward.”

“No people ever mastered the winds of change by pretending that they weren’t blowing.”

Can’t wait for him to talk about how love is a superpower in the primary debates.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Harlow on November 03, 2018, 08:41:25 PM
O’Malley’s in Nevada today:

https://twitter.com/MartinOMalley/status/1058834089061560320

He’s also now started putting out campaign-style Youtube videos at a rate of more than one a day, in his “This We Believe” series.  E.g.:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc7OrZxOR3w

These videos are full of his fortune cookie-like sayings (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=262111.0), e.g.:

“We are stumbling backwards into the future, but the world only spins forward.”

“No people ever mastered the winds of change by pretending that they weren’t blowing.”

Can’t wait for him to talk about how love is a superpower in the primary debates.


"We won the last two Industrial Revolutions, and we can win this one too."

Well, that's certainly an interesting way of putting it.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: tosk on November 03, 2018, 11:40:15 PM
So is Swalwell gonna launch a vanity campaign just to get Californians to notice him?


maybe? a bid to boost name id...?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on November 04, 2018, 08:29:58 AM
O’Malley’s in Nevada today:

https://twitter.com/MartinOMalley/status/1058834089061560320

He’s also now started putting out campaign-style Youtube videos at a rate of more than one a day, in his “This We Believe” series.  E.g.:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc7OrZxOR3w

These videos are full of his fortune cookie-like sayings (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=262111.0), e.g.:

“We are stumbling backwards into the future, but the world only spins forward.”

“No people ever mastered the winds of change by pretending that they weren’t blowing.”

Can’t wait for him to talk about how love is a superpower in the primary debates.


"We won the last two Industrial Revolutions, and we can win this one too."

Well, that's certainly an interesting way of putting it.

But if he ends his "testing the waters" he will end up still the same as in 2016... He would have been a serious candidate only by 1976 conditions...

I tend to like him, he's a decent mainstream Dem, he would have been a nice, smooth, but also unobtrusive president, but facts about him are layered by me above...


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 04, 2018, 10:54:21 AM
Harris has been “building a network for black candidates”:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/kamala-harris-is-building-a-network-for-black-candidates.html

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Harris, who is 54 and the only African-American woman currently in the Senate (and the second, ever), has in recent years — but especially now — quietly prioritized supporting a sprawling group of young people of color running for office. They’re often first-time candidates, and they’re often women. The effort has included joint appearances, but also hours of behind-the-scenes advice and political groundwork for a wide range of newcomers. It’s no unusual thing for an influential politician to help other candidates, but in Harris’s case it’s an especially long-running and personal practice that she doesn’t go out of her way to publicize. It’s something for which, she told me after her speech, “I do feel a responsibility. It’s about paying it forward: other people did it for me, and it’s kind of like, this is what you do. It’s not whimsical. It’s — literally, I feel — a duty.”

The result is a burgeoning coast-to-coast network of Harris endorsees who, in many cases, feel serious loyalty to the senator considering a run for nationwide office next year. One Democratic fundraiser who is fully supportive of a Harris 2020 campaign said he’d heard other fans speak of the group as an obvious political asset. But building this kind of network isn’t a strategy at all, Harris insists (“People are cynical,” she said, eyebrow arched). Those who have been close to her for years agree: one told me Harris has privately spoken about the importance of her mentoring and endorsing work at least since her early days as district attorney, almost 15 years ago. She’s the longtime mentor, for example, of London Breed, who is now San Francisco’s mayor. “There’s a saying in the community where I grew up: Each one, pull one,’” Harris said. “The idea being that — you know, it’s self-explanatory. Each one, pull one. You get there, and you pull others up with you.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Shadows on November 04, 2018, 12:36:54 PM
Avenatti has released an ad ! This guy is gonna run !


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 04, 2018, 06:32:11 PM
Most of the prospective 2020 Democratic candidates are doing campaign events in their home states today, though there are some exceptions (Biden’s in PA, which is where he was born, but not where he was Senator; O’Malley’s in NV; Patrick’s in FL; Sanders is splitting his time today between VT and NH).  Where they are today:

Biden: PA
Booker: NJ
Castro: TX
Gillibrand: NY
Harris: CA
Klobuchar: MN
McAuliffe: VA
O’Malley: NV
Patrick: FL
Ryan: OH
Sanders: VT/NH
Warren: MA

Meanwhile, Tom Steyer is not on the campaign trail today.  But he did do this interview with Al Sharpton, where Sharpton asked him if he was going to run for president next year.  Steyer responds with a meandering non-answer, that begins with “I’m going to wait and see what happens on Tuesday”, and then implies he’ll figure things out from there:

https://twitter.com/TheRevAl/status/1059219934759321602


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on November 04, 2018, 07:10:44 PM
Michael Avenatti has released another new political ad -

https://instagram.com/p/BpxmkLoADLO/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: tosk on November 04, 2018, 08:40:02 PM
Michael Avenatti has released another new political ad -

https://instagram.com/p/BpxmkLoADLO/

jeez, that looks super amateur hour


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Illini on November 04, 2018, 09:06:47 PM
Bloomberg is running, right?

2min, $5mil+ ad buys featuring himself speaking to the camera


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ○∙◄☻Ątπ[╪AV┼cVę└ on November 04, 2018, 11:25:45 PM
Harris has been “building a network for black candidates”:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/kamala-harris-is-building-a-network-for-black-candidates.html

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Harris, who is 54 and the only African-American woman currently in the Senate (and the second, ever), has in recent years — but especially now — quietly prioritized supporting a sprawling group of young people of color running for office. They’re often first-time candidates, and they’re often women. The effort has included joint appearances, but also hours of behind-the-scenes advice and political groundwork for a wide range of newcomers. It’s no unusual thing for an influential politician to help other candidates, but in Harris’s case it’s an especially long-running and personal practice that she doesn’t go out of her way to publicize. It’s something for which, she told me after her speech, “I do feel a responsibility. It’s about paying it forward: other people did it for me, and it’s kind of like, this is what you do. It’s not whimsical. It’s — literally, I feel — a duty.”

The result is a burgeoning coast-to-coast network of Harris endorsees who, in many cases, feel serious loyalty to the senator considering a run for nationwide office next year. One Democratic fundraiser who is fully supportive of a Harris 2020 campaign said he’d heard other fans speak of the group as an obvious political asset. But building this kind of network isn’t a strategy at all, Harris insists (“People are cynical,” she said, eyebrow arched). Those who have been close to her for years agree: one told me Harris has privately spoken about the importance of her mentoring and endorsing work at least since her early days as district attorney, almost 15 years ago. She’s the longtime mentor, for example, of London Breed, who is now San Francisco’s mayor. “There’s a saying in the community where I grew up: Each one, pull one,’” Harris said. “The idea being that — you know, it’s self-explanatory. Each one, pull one. You get there, and you pull others up with you.”


Bernie was the only Senator to endorse Gillum in the primary. I guess he just wasn't the right type of black for Harris. Harris endorsed white Buffy Wicks over black Hispanic lesbian immigrant Jovanka Beckles. You only hear about identity politics when it benefits the establishment candidate.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RussFeingoldWasRobbed on November 05, 2018, 12:04:40 AM
Harris has been “building a network for black candidates”:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/kamala-harris-is-building-a-network-for-black-candidates.html

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Harris, who is 54 and the only African-American woman currently in the Senate (and the second, ever), has in recent years — but especially now — quietly prioritized supporting a sprawling group of young people of color running for office. They’re often first-time candidates, and they’re often women. The effort has included joint appearances, but also hours of behind-the-scenes advice and political groundwork for a wide range of newcomers. It’s no unusual thing for an influential politician to help other candidates, but in Harris’s case it’s an especially long-running and personal practice that she doesn’t go out of her way to publicize. It’s something for which, she told me after her speech, “I do feel a responsibility. It’s about paying it forward: other people did it for me, and it’s kind of like, this is what you do. It’s not whimsical. It’s — literally, I feel — a duty.”

The result is a burgeoning coast-to-coast network of Harris endorsees who, in many cases, feel serious loyalty to the senator considering a run for nationwide office next year. One Democratic fundraiser who is fully supportive of a Harris 2020 campaign said he’d heard other fans speak of the group as an obvious political asset. But building this kind of network isn’t a strategy at all, Harris insists (“People are cynical,” she said, eyebrow arched). Those who have been close to her for years agree: one told me Harris has privately spoken about the importance of her mentoring and endorsing work at least since her early days as district attorney, almost 15 years ago. She’s the longtime mentor, for example, of London Breed, who is now San Francisco’s mayor. “There’s a saying in the community where I grew up: Each one, pull one,’” Harris said. “The idea being that — you know, it’s self-explanatory. Each one, pull one. You get there, and you pull others up with you.”


Bernie was the only Senator to endorse Gillum in the primary. I guess he just wasn't the right type of black for Harris. Harris endorsed white Buffy Wicks over black Hispanic lesbian immigrant Jovanka Beckles. You only hear about identity politics when it benefits the establishment candidate.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Comrade Funk on November 05, 2018, 07:43:23 AM
Harris has been “building a network for black candidates”:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/kamala-harris-is-building-a-network-for-black-candidates.html

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Harris, who is 54 and the only African-American woman currently in the Senate (and the second, ever), has in recent years — but especially now — quietly prioritized supporting a sprawling group of young people of color running for office. They’re often first-time candidates, and they’re often women. The effort has included joint appearances, but also hours of behind-the-scenes advice and political groundwork for a wide range of newcomers. It’s no unusual thing for an influential politician to help other candidates, but in Harris’s case it’s an especially long-running and personal practice that she doesn’t go out of her way to publicize. It’s something for which, she told me after her speech, “I do feel a responsibility. It’s about paying it forward: other people did it for me, and it’s kind of like, this is what you do. It’s not whimsical. It’s — literally, I feel — a duty.”

The result is a burgeoning coast-to-coast network of Harris endorsees who, in many cases, feel serious loyalty to the senator considering a run for nationwide office next year. One Democratic fundraiser who is fully supportive of a Harris 2020 campaign said he’d heard other fans speak of the group as an obvious political asset. But building this kind of network isn’t a strategy at all, Harris insists (“People are cynical,” she said, eyebrow arched). Those who have been close to her for years agree: one told me Harris has privately spoken about the importance of her mentoring and endorsing work at least since her early days as district attorney, almost 15 years ago. She’s the longtime mentor, for example, of London Breed, who is now San Francisco’s mayor. “There’s a saying in the community where I grew up: Each one, pull one,’” Harris said. “The idea being that — you know, it’s self-explanatory. Each one, pull one. You get there, and you pull others up with you.”


Bernie was the only Senator to endorse Gillum in the primary. I guess he just wasn't the right type of black for Harris. Harris endorsed white Buffy Wicks over black Hispanic lesbian immigrant Jovanka Beckles. You only hear about identity politics when it benefits the establishment candidate.
Hi Jimmy Dore.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 05, 2018, 10:58:33 AM
While Steyer has poured boatloads of $ into helping Democrats in the midterms, in terms of direct contributions to candidates and state parties in the four early primary states, Garcetti leads the pack:

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article221042525.html

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No one has done that more from a financial perspective than Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti through his Democratic Midterm Victory Fund. While presidential hopefuls typically set up leadership PACs to start collecting chits, Garcetti formed a group that is a hybrid between a super PAC and a more traditional PAC, meaning it can raise unlimited sums of money.

Garcetti’s group contributed $100,000 apiece to the Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina Democratic parties, an amount that turned heads among Democratic activists and leaders. It also donated another $20,000 to candidates and groups in those states.

Top contributors to the four early states:

1) Garcetti $420k
2) Steyer $136k
3) Warren $66k

Top 3 in Iowa:
1) Garcetti $108k
2) Swalwell $47k
3) Merkley $34k

Top 3 in NH:
1) Garcetti $103k
2) Warren $18k
3) Gillibrand $15k

Top 3 in NV:
1) Steyer $126k
2) Garcetti $105k
3) Biden $21k

Top 3 in SC:
1) Garcetti $104k
2) Warren $13k
3) Delaney $7k


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Crackhead Mike Lindell on November 05, 2018, 11:10:40 AM
That's a fascinating and, to me, totally unexpected collection of names and figures. Garcetti? Surprising. John Delaney making a solid effort, too.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NewYorkExpress on November 05, 2018, 07:19:34 PM
Most of the prospective 2020 Democratic candidates are doing campaign events in their home states today, though there are some exceptions (Biden’s in PA, which is where he was born, but not where he was Senator; O’Malley’s in NV; Patrick’s in FL; Sanders is splitting his time today between VT and NH).  Where they are today:

Biden: PA
Booker: NJ
Castro: TX
Gillibrand: NY
Harris: CA
Klobuchar: MN
McAuliffe: VA
O’Malley: NV
Patrick: FL
Ryan: OH
Sanders: VT/NH
Warren: MA

Meanwhile, Tom Steyer is not on the campaign trail today.  But he did do this interview with Al Sharpton, where Sharpton asked him if he was going to run for president next year.  Steyer responds with a meandering non-answer, that begins with “I’m going to wait and see what happens on Tuesday”, and then implies he’ll figure things out from there:

https://twitter.com/TheRevAl/status/1059219934759321602


Steyer is going to run unless Democrats actually succeed in removing Trump from office...and even then I think he'll just run against Pence.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: CookieDamage on November 05, 2018, 07:22:58 PM
Harris has been “building a network for black candidates”:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/kamala-harris-is-building-a-network-for-black-candidates.html

Quote
Harris, who is 54 and the only African-American woman currently in the Senate (and the second, ever), has in recent years — but especially now — quietly prioritized supporting a sprawling group of young people of color running for office. They’re often first-time candidates, and they’re often women. The effort has included joint appearances, but also hours of behind-the-scenes advice and political groundwork for a wide range of newcomers. It’s no unusual thing for an influential politician to help other candidates, but in Harris’s case it’s an especially long-running and personal practice that she doesn’t go out of her way to publicize. It’s something for which, she told me after her speech, “I do feel a responsibility. It’s about paying it forward: other people did it for me, and it’s kind of like, this is what you do. It’s not whimsical. It’s — literally, I feel — a duty.”

The result is a burgeoning coast-to-coast network of Harris endorsees who, in many cases, feel serious loyalty to the senator considering a run for nationwide office next year. One Democratic fundraiser who is fully supportive of a Harris 2020 campaign said he’d heard other fans speak of the group as an obvious political asset. But building this kind of network isn’t a strategy at all, Harris insists (“People are cynical,” she said, eyebrow arched). Those who have been close to her for years agree: one told me Harris has privately spoken about the importance of her mentoring and endorsing work at least since her early days as district attorney, almost 15 years ago. She’s the longtime mentor, for example, of London Breed, who is now San Francisco’s mayor. “There’s a saying in the community where I grew up: Each one, pull one,’” Harris said. “The idea being that — you know, it’s self-explanatory. Each one, pull one. You get there, and you pull others up with you.”


Bernie was the only Senator to endorse Gillum in the primary. I guess he just wasn't the right type of black for Harris. Harris endorsed white Buffy Wicks over black Hispanic lesbian immigrant Jovanka Beckles. You only hear about identity politics when it benefits the establishment candidate.

It's not like she endorsed Graham and tried to take Gillum down. But go off


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on November 05, 2018, 09:32:02 PM
Kasich attacks both parties, admits he would be destroyed in a primary against Trump, and considers a third party run in 2020: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/john-kasich-hints-at-challenging-trump-as-third-party-candidate-in-2020-during-the-view-appearance

I'm willing to bet that he runs with Hickenlooper on the Serve America Movement line.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ○∙◄☻Ątπ[╪AV┼cVę└ on November 05, 2018, 10:01:58 PM
Harris has been “building a network for black candidates”:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/kamala-harris-is-building-a-network-for-black-candidates.html

Quote
Harris, who is 54 and the only African-American woman currently in the Senate (and the second, ever), has in recent years — but especially now — quietly prioritized supporting a sprawling group of young people of color running for office. They’re often first-time candidates, and they’re often women. The effort has included joint appearances, but also hours of behind-the-scenes advice and political groundwork for a wide range of newcomers. It’s no unusual thing for an influential politician to help other candidates, but in Harris’s case it’s an especially long-running and personal practice that she doesn’t go out of her way to publicize. It’s something for which, she told me after her speech, “I do feel a responsibility. It’s about paying it forward: other people did it for me, and it’s kind of like, this is what you do. It’s not whimsical. It’s — literally, I feel — a duty.”

The result is a burgeoning coast-to-coast network of Harris endorsees who, in many cases, feel serious loyalty to the senator considering a run for nationwide office next year. One Democratic fundraiser who is fully supportive of a Harris 2020 campaign said he’d heard other fans speak of the group as an obvious political asset. But building this kind of network isn’t a strategy at all, Harris insists (“People are cynical,” she said, eyebrow arched). Those who have been close to her for years agree: one told me Harris has privately spoken about the importance of her mentoring and endorsing work at least since her early days as district attorney, almost 15 years ago. She’s the longtime mentor, for example, of London Breed, who is now San Francisco’s mayor. “There’s a saying in the community where I grew up: Each one, pull one,’” Harris said. “The idea being that — you know, it’s self-explanatory. Each one, pull one. You get there, and you pull others up with you.”


Bernie was the only Senator to endorse Gillum in the primary. I guess he just wasn't the right type of black for Harris. Harris endorsed white Buffy Wicks over black Hispanic lesbian immigrant Jovanka Beckles. You only hear about identity politics when it benefits the establishment candidate.

It's not like she endorsed Graham and tried to take Gillum down. But go off

She did endorse Buffy Wicks over Jovanka Beckles and Nancy O'Malley over Pamela Price. And she certainly didn't endorse an actually progressive black woman named K. Harris who ran for Senate in Delaware.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: AudmanOut on November 05, 2018, 10:04:17 PM
Harris has been “building a network for black candidates”:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/kamala-harris-is-building-a-network-for-black-candidates.html

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Harris, who is 54 and the only African-American woman currently in the Senate (and the second, ever), has in recent years — but especially now — quietly prioritized supporting a sprawling group of young people of color running for office. They’re often first-time candidates, and they’re often women. The effort has included joint appearances, but also hours of behind-the-scenes advice and political groundwork for a wide range of newcomers. It’s no unusual thing for an influential politician to help other candidates, but in Harris’s case it’s an especially long-running and personal practice that she doesn’t go out of her way to publicize. It’s something for which, she told me after her speech, “I do feel a responsibility. It’s about paying it forward: other people did it for me, and it’s kind of like, this is what you do. It’s not whimsical. It’s — literally, I feel — a duty.”

The result is a burgeoning coast-to-coast network of Harris endorsees who, in many cases, feel serious loyalty to the senator considering a run for nationwide office next year. One Democratic fundraiser who is fully supportive of a Harris 2020 campaign said he’d heard other fans speak of the group as an obvious political asset. But building this kind of network isn’t a strategy at all, Harris insists (“People are cynical,” she said, eyebrow arched). Those who have been close to her for years agree: one told me Harris has privately spoken about the importance of her mentoring and endorsing work at least since her early days as district attorney, almost 15 years ago. She’s the longtime mentor, for example, of London Breed, who is now San Francisco’s mayor. “There’s a saying in the community where I grew up: Each one, pull one,’” Harris said. “The idea being that — you know, it’s self-explanatory. Each one, pull one. You get there, and you pull others up with you.”


Bernie was the only Senator to endorse Gillum in the primary. I guess he just wasn't the right type of black for Harris. Harris endorsed white Buffy Wicks over black Hispanic lesbian immigrant Jovanka Beckles. You only hear about identity politics when it benefits the establishment candidate.

It's not like she endorsed Graham and tried to take Gillum down. But go off


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NewYorkExpress on November 05, 2018, 10:33:53 PM
Kasich attacks both parties, admits he would be destroyed in a primary against Trump, and considers a third party run in 2020: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/john-kasich-hints-at-challenging-trump-as-third-party-candidate-in-2020-during-the-view-appearance

I'm willing to bet that he runs with Hickenlooper on the Serve America Movement line.

Hickenlooper isn't that stupid.

If he's picking a "Democrat", he's picking someone more moderate, like Bloomberg, Warner or Bullock.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 06, 2018, 10:00:17 AM
O'Rourke yesterday: "I will not be a candidate for president in 2020":

https://www.nbcnews.com/card/o-rourke-i-will-not-run-president-2020-n931341


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 06, 2018, 12:47:11 PM
Biden now says that even if he sticks to his earlier stated January decision deadline for whether to run again, he won't announce said decision as early as January:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/06/joe-biden-2020-announce-964820

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Speaking to MSNBC reporters on Tuesday morning and shortly after voting in Wilmington, Del., Biden said he would make the decision after Jan. 1 with his family. He wouldn't announce publicly until later, though he wouldn't say when exactly that would be.

"Oh, I don't know. It would depend on the circumstances," Biden said when asked when he would make the announcement. "And a whole lot of things."

He added that a January announcement would be too early for the next election cycle. "I wouldn't announce if I were going to run that early. It would be too early to start it," he said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: UWS on November 06, 2018, 03:02:12 PM
Biden now says that even if he sticks to his earlier stated January decision deadline for whether to run again, he won't announce said decision as early as January:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/06/joe-biden-2020-announce-964820

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Speaking to MSNBC reporters on Tuesday morning and shortly after voting in Wilmington, Del., Biden said he would make the decision after Jan. 1 with his family. He wouldn't announce publicly until later, though he wouldn't say when exactly that would be.

"Oh, I don't know. It would depend on the circumstances," Biden said when asked when he would make the announcement. "And a whole lot of things."

He added that a January announcement would be too early for the next election cycle. "I wouldn't announce if I were going to run that early. It would be too early to start it," he said.


I think he means that he will announce his intentions approximaely on January 31 if he sayshat early January is too early.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NewYorkExpress on November 06, 2018, 03:09:17 PM
O'Rourke yesterday: "I will not be a candidate for president in 2020":

https://www.nbcnews.com/card/o-rourke-i-will-not-run-president-2020-n931341


Either that's a Shermanesque statement, or an early concession to Cruz, or both.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on November 06, 2018, 07:57:03 PM
Potential Democratic candidate Sherrod Brown already projected to win re-election less than an hour after polls close.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 06, 2018, 11:17:17 PM
Potential Democratic candidate Sherrod Brown already projected to win re-election less than an hour after polls close.

Brown hasn't been signaling presidential interest.  However, he did appear open to being VP for Clinton in 2016, but Kasich as governor may have hurt his chances (since the gov would pick his successor).  Cordray's loss tonight is certainly a hit to Brown's 2020 veep chances.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joe Biden 2024 on November 06, 2018, 11:43:35 PM
Well, Sherrod Brown ended his victory speech with this:

"That is the message coming out of Ohio in 2018, and that is the blueprint for America for 2020."

That sounds like he's considering a run.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ○∙◄☻Ątπ[╪AV┼cVę└ on November 07, 2018, 12:20:22 AM
Well, Sherrod Brown ended his victory speech with this:

"That is the message coming out of Ohio in 2018, and that is the blueprint for America for 2020."

That sounds like he's considering a run.

Well, he's one of the very few to consider if you want to win Ohio in 2020. Kamala Harris sure isn't.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NewYorkExpress on November 07, 2018, 02:03:04 AM
Well, Sherrod Brown ended his victory speech with this:

"That is the message coming out of Ohio in 2018, and that is the blueprint for America for 2020."

That sounds like he's considering a run.

Well, he's one of the very few to consider if you want to win Ohio in 2020. Kamala Harris sure isn't.

Anyone who isn't a White Male, or Avenatti, is probably not who you want to run in Ohio if you want to win the state as a Democrat.

In a neutral year, though Brown would have lost.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on November 07, 2018, 02:58:54 AM
Brown's presidential campaign ended the moment the race was called for Mike DeWine, with the way the Senate it loosing right now any Dem Sen/GOP Gov is a no go.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on November 07, 2018, 08:58:46 AM
Bloomberg made a press release about the midterms this morning - "We can do better in America today, and we must start now".

Chalk it up as Delaney, Castro, Warren, Harris, and now Bloomberg-  at least.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: tjdempsey10 on November 07, 2018, 10:18:04 AM
Brown's presidential campaign ended the moment the race was called for Mike DeWine, with the way the Senate it loosing right now any Dem Sen/GOP Gov is a no go.


Even Warren?



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Los Angeles Swag Boss on November 07, 2018, 11:51:51 AM
Brown's presidential campaign ended the moment the race was called for Mike DeWine, with the way the Senate it loosing right now any Dem Sen/GOP Gov is a no go.


Even Warren?



Or Bernie??


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on November 07, 2018, 12:23:25 PM
Brown's presidential campaign ended the moment the race was called for Mike DeWine, with the way the Senate it loosing right now any Dem Sen/GOP Gov is a no go.


Even Warren?



Or Bernie??

Non 0 chance that Bernie's theoretical coattails pull Scott down in 2020, but he would have to resign pretty late though.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NevadanAtHeart on November 07, 2018, 12:32:16 PM
Brown's presidential campaign ended the moment the race was called for Mike DeWine, with the way the Senate it loosing right now any Dem Sen/GOP Gov is a no go.


Even Warren?



Or Bernie??

A few ideas under this:

1. I think that having a Republican governor in office only really significantly decreases the chance of somebody being a VP option. The Presidency, imo, is significantly more valuable than a Senate seat, and the difference is much more than exists between the VP and Senate.

2. The Senate majority might just be out of reach in 2020 anyway. Even if Tester holds out and Sinema wins, Democrats would face a 53-47 (I think) Senate. Jones is DoA. They'd have to win four of of Colorado, Arizona, Iowa, Maine, and North Carolina. Maybe some of Kansas, Kentucky, Georgia, or Montana are somewhat competitive to make it work out a bit easier. If it's looking close to 50-50, maybe don't pull a D Senator in an R state, but if you're not going to win the majority anyway, why not try to boost your ticket using the VP slot?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on November 07, 2018, 01:37:37 PM
Need Jeff Flake to primary Trump just to get a Jeb 2.0 moment


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Kentuckian on November 07, 2018, 05:27:45 PM
Amy Klobuchar is receiving a lot of attention after last night:

"Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar, a low-key pragmatist who easily won reelection last night, seemed destined to be on a vice presidential shortlist. But if pragmatic Midwestern women were good for Democrats in 2018, then they might be even better as the ticket-topper in 2020. Klobuchar deserves a fresh look as a presidential candidate. Other Midwestern senators who won reelection last night—Sherrod Brown of Ohio, Debbie Stabenow and Gary Peters of Michigan, and Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin—would warrant consideration, too, but unlike Klobuchar, none has made moves to suggest a presidential run."

Source: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/11/07/elections-democrats-2018-2020-222258 (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/11/07/elections-democrats-2018-2020-222258)

https://amp.businessinsider.com/amy-klobuchar-2020-democrat-president-elected-minnesota-reactions-2018-11 (https://amp.businessinsider.com/amy-klobuchar-2020-democrat-president-elected-minnesota-reactions-2018-11)

https://wccoradio.radio.com/articles/minnesota-senator-amy-klobuchar-running-president (https://wccoradio.radio.com/articles/minnesota-senator-amy-klobuchar-running-president)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ○∙◄☻Ątπ[╪AV┼cVę└ on November 07, 2018, 05:46:58 PM
Brown's presidential campaign ended the moment the race was called for Mike DeWine, with the way the Senate it loosing right now any Dem Sen/GOP Gov is a no go.


Even Warren?



Or Bernie??

Vermont has a special election in 3 months, so it doesn't really matter.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on November 07, 2018, 07:47:50 PM
Well, Sherrod Brown ended his victory speech with this:

"That is the message coming out of Ohio in 2018, and that is the blueprint for America for 2020."

That sounds like he's considering a run.

I would love that, but it's a terrible idea for the Senate. DeWine cannot be allowed to have his revenge for Brown defeating him in 2006 by appointing Jim Jordan to replace him or something. DeWine winning makes Sherrod Brown being on a national ticket impossible.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Kentuckian on November 07, 2018, 07:54:55 PM
Amy Klobuchar is receiving a lot of attention after last night:

"Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar, a low-key pragmatist who easily won reelection last night, seemed destined to be on a vice presidential shortlist. But if pragmatic Midwestern women were good for Democrats in 2018, then they might be even better as the ticket-topper in 2020. Klobuchar deserves a fresh look as a presidential candidate. Other Midwestern senators who won reelection last night—Sherrod Brown of Ohio, Debbie Stabenow and Gary Peters of Michigan, and Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin—would warrant consideration, too, but unlike Klobuchar, none has made moves to suggest a presidential run."

Source: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/11/07/elections-democrats-2018-2020-222258 (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/11/07/elections-democrats-2018-2020-222258)

https://amp.businessinsider.com/amy-klobuchar-2020-democrat-president-elected-minnesota-reactions-2018-11 (https://amp.businessinsider.com/amy-klobuchar-2020-democrat-president-elected-minnesota-reactions-2018-11)

https://wccoradio.radio.com/articles/minnesota-senator-amy-klobuchar-running-president (https://wccoradio.radio.com/articles/minnesota-senator-amy-klobuchar-running-president)

BuzzFeed on Klobuchar and Sherrod Brown: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mollyhensleyclancy/amy-klobuchar-sherrod-brown-2020-president-midterm-elections (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mollyhensleyclancy/amy-klobuchar-sherrod-brown-2020-president-midterm-elections)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 07, 2018, 11:22:29 PM
O’Malley’s in Nevada today:

https://twitter.com/MartinOMalley/status/1058834089061560320

He’s also now started putting out campaign-style Youtube videos at a rate of more than one a day, in his “This We Believe” series.  E.g.:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc7OrZxOR3w

These videos are full of his fortune cookie-like sayings (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=262111.0), e.g.:

“We are stumbling backwards into the future, but the world only spins forward.”

“No people ever mastered the winds of change by pretending that they weren’t blowing.”

Can’t wait for him to talk about how love is a superpower in the primary debates.


He just finished this video series with this exciting finale:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkAkbyqh29k

In it, he recycles the following great O'Malley-isms:

“You and I are part of a living, self-creating mystery, known as the United States of America.”
“Our economy is not money.  It is people.  All of our people.”
“There’s a brighter picture to paint, and darkness makes a great canvas.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: America Needs R'hllor on November 08, 2018, 01:32:29 AM
Harris has been “building a network for black candidates”:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/kamala-harris-is-building-a-network-for-black-candidates.html

Quote
Harris, who is 54 and the only African-American woman currently in the Senate (and the second, ever), has in recent years — but especially now — quietly prioritized supporting a sprawling group of young people of color running for office. They’re often first-time candidates, and they’re often women. The effort has included joint appearances, but also hours of behind-the-scenes advice and political groundwork for a wide range of newcomers. It’s no unusual thing for an influential politician to help other candidates, but in Harris’s case it’s an especially long-running and personal practice that she doesn’t go out of her way to publicize. It’s something for which, she told me after her speech, “I do feel a responsibility. It’s about paying it forward: other people did it for me, and it’s kind of like, this is what you do. It’s not whimsical. It’s — literally, I feel — a duty.”

The result is a burgeoning coast-to-coast network of Harris endorsees who, in many cases, feel serious loyalty to the senator considering a run for nationwide office next year. One Democratic fundraiser who is fully supportive of a Harris 2020 campaign said he’d heard other fans speak of the group as an obvious political asset. But building this kind of network isn’t a strategy at all, Harris insists (“People are cynical,” she said, eyebrow arched). Those who have been close to her for years agree: one told me Harris has privately spoken about the importance of her mentoring and endorsing work at least since her early days as district attorney, almost 15 years ago. She’s the longtime mentor, for example, of London Breed, who is now San Francisco’s mayor. “There’s a saying in the community where I grew up: Each one, pull one,’” Harris said. “The idea being that — you know, it’s self-explanatory. Each one, pull one. You get there, and you pull others up with you.”


Bernie was the only Senator to endorse Gillum in the primary. I guess he just wasn't the right type of black for Harris. Harris endorsed white Buffy Wicks over black Hispanic lesbian immigrant Jovanka Beckles. You only hear about identity politics when it benefits the establishment candidate.

It's not like she endorsed Graham and tried to take Gillum down. But go off

She did endorse Buffy Wicks over Jovanka Beckles and Nancy O'Malley over Pamela Price. And she certainly didn't endorse an actually progressive black woman named K. Harris who ran for Senate in Delaware.


WHY DIDN'T SHE ENDORSE JOHN JAMES? SAD!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ○∙◄☻Ątπ[╪AV┼cVę└ on November 08, 2018, 01:36:54 AM
Harris has been “building a network for black candidates”:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/kamala-harris-is-building-a-network-for-black-candidates.html

Quote
Harris, who is 54 and the only African-American woman currently in the Senate (and the second, ever), has in recent years — but especially now — quietly prioritized supporting a sprawling group of young people of color running for office. They’re often first-time candidates, and they’re often women. The effort has included joint appearances, but also hours of behind-the-scenes advice and political groundwork for a wide range of newcomers. It’s no unusual thing for an influential politician to help other candidates, but in Harris’s case it’s an especially long-running and personal practice that she doesn’t go out of her way to publicize. It’s something for which, she told me after her speech, “I do feel a responsibility. It’s about paying it forward: other people did it for me, and it’s kind of like, this is what you do. It’s not whimsical. It’s — literally, I feel — a duty.”

The result is a burgeoning coast-to-coast network of Harris endorsees who, in many cases, feel serious loyalty to the senator considering a run for nationwide office next year. One Democratic fundraiser who is fully supportive of a Harris 2020 campaign said he’d heard other fans speak of the group as an obvious political asset. But building this kind of network isn’t a strategy at all, Harris insists (“People are cynical,” she said, eyebrow arched). Those who have been close to her for years agree: one told me Harris has privately spoken about the importance of her mentoring and endorsing work at least since her early days as district attorney, almost 15 years ago. She’s the longtime mentor, for example, of London Breed, who is now San Francisco’s mayor. “There’s a saying in the community where I grew up: Each one, pull one,’” Harris said. “The idea being that — you know, it’s self-explanatory. Each one, pull one. You get there, and you pull others up with you.”


Bernie was the only Senator to endorse Gillum in the primary. I guess he just wasn't the right type of black for Harris. Harris endorsed white Buffy Wicks over black Hispanic lesbian immigrant Jovanka Beckles. You only hear about identity politics when it benefits the establishment candidate.

It's not like she endorsed Graham and tried to take Gillum down. But go off

She did endorse Buffy Wicks over Jovanka Beckles and Nancy O'Malley over Pamela Price. And she certainly didn't endorse an actually progressive black woman named K. Harris who ran for Senate in Delaware.


WHY DIDN'T SHE ENDORSE JOHN JAMES? SAD!

I'm talking about progressive blacks, not Republican blacks.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 08, 2018, 01:37:29 AM
BuzzFeed on Klobuchar and Sherrod Brown: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mollyhensleyclancy/amy-klobuchar-sherrod-brown-2020-president-midterm-elections (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mollyhensleyclancy/amy-klobuchar-sherrod-brown-2020-president-midterm-elections)

Here's the relevant excerpt regarding Brown's intentions:

Quote
“When you’re one of the only Democrats in the country who can win in a red state, it’s natural to think about it at some point, and after the dust settles from the election, I’m sure that time will come,” said a Democrat close to Brown’s political team.

But, he cautioned, “It’s nothing that’s top of mind at the moment.”

Brown is “in no way focused on 2020,” said the Democrat, who requested anonymity to speak candidly about the senator. Instead, he’s focused on setting a path for his party by “making sure that Democrats are talking about their work and the country in a way that is productive and can lead to electoral success in 2020.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NewYorkExpress on November 08, 2018, 01:58:54 AM
Harris has been “building a network for black candidates”:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/kamala-harris-is-building-a-network-for-black-candidates.html

Quote
Harris, who is 54 and the only African-American woman currently in the Senate (and the second, ever), has in recent years — but especially now — quietly prioritized supporting a sprawling group of young people of color running for office. They’re often first-time candidates, and they’re often women. The effort has included joint appearances, but also hours of behind-the-scenes advice and political groundwork for a wide range of newcomers. It’s no unusual thing for an influential politician to help other candidates, but in Harris’s case it’s an especially long-running and personal practice that she doesn’t go out of her way to publicize. It’s something for which, she told me after her speech, “I do feel a responsibility. It’s about paying it forward: other people did it for me, and it’s kind of like, this is what you do. It’s not whimsical. It’s — literally, I feel — a duty.”

The result is a burgeoning coast-to-coast network of Harris endorsees who, in many cases, feel serious loyalty to the senator considering a run for nationwide office next year. One Democratic fundraiser who is fully supportive of a Harris 2020 campaign said he’d heard other fans speak of the group as an obvious political asset. But building this kind of network isn’t a strategy at all, Harris insists (“People are cynical,” she said, eyebrow arched). Those who have been close to her for years agree: one told me Harris has privately spoken about the importance of her mentoring and endorsing work at least since her early days as district attorney, almost 15 years ago. She’s the longtime mentor, for example, of London Breed, who is now San Francisco’s mayor. “There’s a saying in the community where I grew up: Each one, pull one,’” Harris said. “The idea being that — you know, it’s self-explanatory. Each one, pull one. You get there, and you pull others up with you.”


Bernie was the only Senator to endorse Gillum in the primary. I guess he just wasn't the right type of black for Harris. Harris endorsed white Buffy Wicks over black Hispanic lesbian immigrant Jovanka Beckles. You only hear about identity politics when it benefits the establishment candidate.

It's not like she endorsed Graham and tried to take Gillum down. But go off

She did endorse Buffy Wicks over Jovanka Beckles and Nancy O'Malley over Pamela Price. And she certainly didn't endorse an actually progressive black woman named K. Harris who ran for Senate in Delaware.


WHY DIDN'T SHE ENDORSE JOHN JAMES? SAD!

I'm sure she would've endorsed James had actually gotten a serious primary challenge (sarcasm).


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 08, 2018, 01:36:01 PM
Swalwell will run. (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/08/eric-swalwell-president-2020-975846)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on November 08, 2018, 01:55:58 PM
Harris has been “building a network for black candidates”:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/kamala-harris-is-building-a-network-for-black-candidates.html

Quote
Harris, who is 54 and the only African-American woman currently in the Senate (and the second, ever), has in recent years — but especially now — quietly prioritized supporting a sprawling group of young people of color running for office. They’re often first-time candidates, and they’re often women. The effort has included joint appearances, but also hours of behind-the-scenes advice and political groundwork for a wide range of newcomers. It’s no unusual thing for an influential politician to help other candidates, but in Harris’s case it’s an especially long-running and personal practice that she doesn’t go out of her way to publicize. It’s something for which, she told me after her speech, “I do feel a responsibility. It’s about paying it forward: other people did it for me, and it’s kind of like, this is what you do. It’s not whimsical. It’s — literally, I feel — a duty.”

The result is a burgeoning coast-to-coast network of Harris endorsees who, in many cases, feel serious loyalty to the senator considering a run for nationwide office next year. One Democratic fundraiser who is fully supportive of a Harris 2020 campaign said he’d heard other fans speak of the group as an obvious political asset. But building this kind of network isn’t a strategy at all, Harris insists (“People are cynical,” she said, eyebrow arched). Those who have been close to her for years agree: one told me Harris has privately spoken about the importance of her mentoring and endorsing work at least since her early days as district attorney, almost 15 years ago. She’s the longtime mentor, for example, of London Breed, who is now San Francisco’s mayor. “There’s a saying in the community where I grew up: Each one, pull one,’” Harris said. “The idea being that — you know, it’s self-explanatory. Each one, pull one. You get there, and you pull others up with you.”


Bernie was the only Senator to endorse Gillum in the primary. I guess he just wasn't the right type of black for Harris. Harris endorsed white Buffy Wicks over black Hispanic lesbian immigrant Jovanka Beckles. You only hear about identity politics when it benefits the establishment candidate.

It's not like she endorsed Graham and tried to take Gillum down. But go off

She did endorse Buffy Wicks over Jovanka Beckles and Nancy O'Malley over Pamela Price. And she certainly didn't endorse an actually progressive black woman named K. Harris who ran for Senate in Delaware.


WHY DIDN'T SHE ENDORSE JOHN JAMES? SAD!

I'm sure she would've endorsed James had actually gotten a serious primary challenge (sarcasm).

Had Abrams and Gillum won they'd obviously would've been kingmakers in the primary, having no one right now in either FL/GA obviously leaves things up in the air. Abrams would've definitely endorsed Harris while Gillum maybe Booker but its moot atp.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NewYorkExpress on November 08, 2018, 03:17:56 PM
Swalwell will run. (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/08/eric-swalwell-president-2020-975846)

Unless the "source" is Salwell himself, I won't believe it.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on November 08, 2018, 05:28:03 PM
Swalwell will run. (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/08/eric-swalwell-president-2020-975846)

Unless the "source" is Salwell himself, I won't believe it.

Swalwell has basically been the Representative from IA-AL this past year, and I'm willing to bet that the "close source" is a plant from his staff to get his name out there. He's running.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Canis on November 08, 2018, 06:22:38 PM
Swalwell will run. (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/08/eric-swalwell-president-2020-975846)
Who?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 08, 2018, 11:14:34 PM
This story indicates that, despite public denials, O’Rourke has in fact been talking to at least one person in his inner circle about the possibility of launching a presidential campaign:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/08/politics/beto-orourke-2020-democratic-presidential-race/index.html

Quote
O'Rourke huddled with senior campaign aides Wednesday in El Paso, but offered them no indication of future political plans -- saying he first planned to spend time at home with his family after nearly two years on the road and process the election's results before weighing what comes next, one person present for the conversations said.

Another source described having "very initial discussions" with O'Rourke in recent weeks about the prospect of a 2020 bid and what it would take to scale a Senate campaign that operated largely on the candidate's own gut, without pollsters or a massive team of consultants, up to the national level. But the source said it's too early for O'Rourke to have made any decisions.

In other news, Charlie Baker says he “absolutely” plans to serve out his new term as governor:

https://www.necn.com/news/politics/Massachusetts-Governor-Charlie-Baker-Republican-Re-Election-2nd-Term-Agenda-499941742.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Harlow on November 09, 2018, 12:46:35 AM
In other news, Charlie Baker says he “absolutely” plans to serve out his new term as governor:

https://www.necn.com/news/politics/Massachusetts-Governor-Charlie-Baker-Republican-Re-Election-2nd-Term-Agenda-499941742.html


Of course. There's no room for Charlie in the national GOP.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 09, 2018, 12:47:39 AM
Gillibrand's on Colbert tonight, and she apparently said "I will give it a long, hard thought, consideration" about 2020:






Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 09, 2018, 01:13:34 AM
Swalwell will run. (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/08/eric-swalwell-president-2020-975846)

Here's the relevant quote:

Quote
Democratic Rep. Eric Swalwell plans to run for president in 2020, according to a person close to the California congressman who is familiar with his plans.

“He’s definitely running,” the source said.

That's definitely evidence in favor, but it's still just one source.  What does "plans to run" mean here?  He'll announce his candidacy in four months or something?  If so, that's plenty of time for him to change his mind.  Would still put him in the "likely, but not a done deal yet" category.

EDIT: Oh, and the story also notes that Swalwell will be in Iowa this weekend.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 09, 2018, 10:59:03 AM
Gillibrand's on Colbert tonight, and she apparently said "I will give it a long, hard thought, consideration" about 2020:

Here's the video of her answer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdMyEeEJpAc&t=6m25s


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on November 09, 2018, 01:42:44 PM
Swalwell will run. (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/08/eric-swalwell-president-2020-975846)

Here's the relevant quote:

Quote
Democratic Rep. Eric Swalwell plans to run for president in 2020, according to a person close to the California congressman who is familiar with his plans.

“He’s definitely running,” the source said.

That's definitely evidence in favor, but it's still just one source.  What does "plans to run" mean here?  He'll announce his candidacy in four months or something?  If so, that's plenty of time for him to change his mind.  Would still put him in the "likely, but not a done deal yet" category.

EDIT: Oh, and the story also notes that Swalwell will be in Iowa this weekend.


He went on Fox and basically said he was running too.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 09, 2018, 11:56:12 PM
Howard Schultz hires PR team, including Steve Schmidt:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/09/ex-starbucks-ceo-howard-schultz-builds-elite-pr-team-as-he-mulls-white-house-run.html

Quote
Former Starbucks Chairman and CEO Howard Schultz is putting together an elite public relations team as he prepares to release a civic-minded new book and considers running for president in 2020.

A key player in Schultz's growing team is Steve Schmidt, a former vice chairman at public relations powerhouse Edelman who managed Republican Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign in 2008.
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In October, Schultz hired Cheryl Cook, a longtime executive vice president at Edelman, according to two people with direct knowledge of the matter. She will be representing Schultz up until and throughout his book tour, which is expected to start in February in New York City, these people said. Cook worked at the PR firm for more than a decade and got to know Schultz directly when Starbucks was one of her clients.

de Blasio on 2020:

https://www.silive.com/news/2018/11/de-blasio-for-president-in-2020-he-isnt-ruling-it-out.html

Quote
During his weekly appearance on WNYC’s “The Brian Lehrer Show,” the mayor was asked if he is planning to run in 2020 too.

“I am mayor of New York City, it’s one of the best public service jobs anywhere in the world, and obviously, we’re getting a lot done here in the city, which I’m proud of, that’s what I’m focused on,” de Blasio said when asked by Lehrer if he is planning to run for president. “I’ve got three years and two months more, and that’s what I’m doing”

When pressed by Lehrer to give a more definitive answer on whether he plans to run, the mayor said he intends to “continue in elected office if there is an opportunity to do so.”

Flake on 2020:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/09/flake-2020-trump-980914

Quote
“I’ve not ruled it out. I’ve not ruled it in. Just, somebody needs to run on the Republican side,” Flake said on Friday in a lengthy conversation with POLITICO and The Hill on Friday. Flake said both outgoing Ohio Gov. John Kasich and Nebraska GOP Sen. Ben Sasse could give Trump a credible challenge.
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“I hope somebody does [run], just to remind Republicans what it means to be conservative and what it means to be decent. We’ve got to bring that back,” Flake said. “You can whip up the base for a cycle or two but it wears thin. Anger and resentment are not a governing philosophy.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: lfromnj on November 10, 2018, 11:33:26 AM
In other news, Charlie Baker says he “absolutely” plans to serve out his new term as governor:

https://www.necn.com/news/politics/Massachusetts-Governor-Charlie-Baker-Republican-Re-Election-2nd-Term-Agenda-499941742.html


Of course. There's no room for Charlie in the national GOP.

yeah hogan can probably go somewhere as he is an actual moderate republican while Baker is literally a democrat in all but name.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 10, 2018, 12:51:48 PM
The NYT has a new story about the Democratic field, with several new tidbits:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/10/us/politics/democrats-2020-president.html

Some bullet points:

-Bullock was in New York this week, post-election, meeting with big $ donors.

-On the phone with one of the victorious candidates this week, Biden was asked about his own plans re: 2020, and “did not sound overly enthused, responding that he was in no rush to have that discussion”.

-Harris is seen by allies as likely to announce “early in next year”, though after her book tour in January (the book comes out on Jan. 8th).

-Warren may conceivably launch before the end of December(!).

Quote
Ms. Harris, the senator from California, is seen by allies as likely to announce a campaign early in next year, after the release of a book due out in January. Her sister, Maya Harris, a former top adviser to Mrs. Clinton, has already been quietly gauging the intentions of some influential Democrats in order to have an early roster of supporters ready.

The Harris camp has also been reaching out to potential campaign staff members who could manage fund-raising operations and a strategy for amassing convention delegates over a long primary while the senator herself has been courting Democrats in the states that begin the nominating process, such as Mr. Vilsack and former Gov. James Hodge of South Carolina.

Allies of Mr. Booker, the senator from New Jersey, spent this week highlighting his efforts to help candidates in states crucial to the presidential nominating process, while he began considering staffing decisions.

Multiple Democrats said that Addisu Demissie, who just ran the campaign of Gavin Newsom, the governor-elect of California, could potentially serve as a top official in either Mr. Booker’s campaign or a super PAC that allies of the senator may launch.

Ms. Warren, the senator from Massachusetts, is moving just as swiftly. Among scores of congratulatory phone calls she placed this week, Ms. Warren spoke with a list of influential Democrats in early presidential primary states. They included Abby Finkenauer and Cindy Axne, two newly elected members of Congress from Iowa, as well as Molly Kelly, the Democrat who lost a race for governor of New Hampshire.
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And in a sign that Ms. Warren’s deliberations have proceeded to an advanced stage, one of her closest and longest-serving aides, Dan Geldon, has left his position as her chief of staff in the Senate to manage the operation that is planning her likely campaign, which may get underway as soon as next month.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: tosk on November 10, 2018, 02:03:29 PM
Swalwell will run. (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/08/eric-swalwell-president-2020-975846)

Here's the relevant quote:

Quote
Democratic Rep. Eric Swalwell plans to run for president in 2020, according to a person close to the California congressman who is familiar with his plans.

“He’s definitely running,” the source said.

That's definitely evidence in favor, but it's still just one source.  What does "plans to run" mean here?  He'll announce his candidacy in four months or something?  If so, that's plenty of time for him to change his mind.  Would still put him in the "likely, but not a done deal yet" category.

EDIT: Oh, and the story also notes that Swalwell will be in Iowa this weekend.


He went on Fox and basically said he was running too.

saw that too-- sounds like a candidate to me. we'll see.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 10, 2018, 02:08:47 PM
Swalwell will run. (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/08/eric-swalwell-president-2020-975846)

Here's the relevant quote:

Quote
Democratic Rep. Eric Swalwell plans to run for president in 2020, according to a person close to the California congressman who is familiar with his plans.

“He’s definitely running,” the source said.

That's definitely evidence in favor, but it's still just one source.  What does "plans to run" mean here?  He'll announce his candidacy in four months or something?  If so, that's plenty of time for him to change his mind.  Would still put him in the "likely, but not a done deal yet" category.

EDIT: Oh, and the story also notes that Swalwell will be in Iowa this weekend.


He went on Fox and basically said he was running too.

Is this what you're referring to?:

https://video.foxnews.com/v/5859522422001/?#sp=show-clips

Because what he said there is "I'm looking at it", which isn't really new.  Plenty of the other potential candidates say the same thing all the time.  Again, I'd say he's likely, but I wouldn't take this as the last word.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 10, 2018, 04:23:29 PM
Btw, while that NYT story says that Warren may very well launch her campaign very early, publicly she says that she has no timeline in mind:

http://www.lowellsun.com/todaysheadlines/ci_32261368/warren-no-timeline-presidential-run-decision

Quote
"It's less than 48 hours. I said I would take a hard look and and I will. Too early," said Warren, who won her second term with 60 percent of the vote on Tuesday. Asked if she had a timeline for making a decision, Warren said, "I don't have a timeline for this."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 10, 2018, 07:31:33 PM
Deval Patrick will do an event in South Carolina next week:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/midterm-elections-return-democrats-to-a-debate-over-their-2020-presidential-choice-passion-or-pragmatism/2018/11/10/b1312dce-e44d-11e8-b759-3d88a5ce9e19_story.html?utm_term=.a8a8bba2519a


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 11, 2018, 04:09:36 PM
Al Sharpton’s group, the National Action Network, is holidng a Legislative and Policy Conference in DC on Tuesday and Wednesday:

https://nationalactionnetwork.net/newnews/schedule-for-nan-and-activists-to-convene-post-midterms/

Among those participating are Klobuchar, Warren, Harris, Swalwell, Sanders, Gillibrand, Booker, and Brown.

In other news, Cuomo gives a non-denial on 2020:

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/416144-ny-governor-non-committal-on-2020-presidential-run-im-focused-on-the

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"It is going to be a very important call for the Democratic Party. And who they pick, and how and why is a very important conversation," Cuomo told John Catsimatidis on AM 970 in New York.

"I don’t believe in rhetorical, theoretical leadership. It’s either experienced and accomplished or it’s not. And this nation shouldn’t just take a chance that maybe a person will grow into the role.

"But I’m focused on the governorship. I’m a one-thing-at-a-time kind of guy," he added. "And I love doing what I'm doing, and I have a full agenda. I'm going to stay focused on where I am and what I am."

Inslee on 2020:

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/mixed-midterm-results-for-gov-jay-inslee-as-he-weighs-2020-plans/

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[Inslee] said he’ll decide on whether to pursue a 2020 presidential run in the coming months.

“We will give some thought to that in the near future,” Inslee said, providing no specific timeline. “I have not ruled that out, as you know.”

While he has not started hiring staff for a presidential run or exploratory bid, Inslee said, “We have talked to some people in general” about potential roles in a national race, pointing to aides who work for his gubernatorial campaign.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Crackhead Mike Lindell on November 11, 2018, 05:38:54 PM
Maybe I'm just following this too closely now and not seeing it, or maybe it's still too early, but I'm wondering... where are all the nobodies? Give or take a Deval Patrick, most potential candidates in this thread are currently holding office (or have done so until very recently). Look at previous primaries, there's always nobodies at the bottom of the heap. People who've been out of office for a while, with very little name recognition. They don't do well. They'll withdraw before votes are cast, or after receiving a dozen votes. Mike Gravel, Lincoln Chafee, George Pataki, Jim Gilmore... and so on. Who's going to fill that spot in 2020? You'd think maybe we'd have more people like that seizing their chance and going for it. Again - maybe I'm following it too closely and just not recognizing it. But I'm not seeing it. Where are the 0.1%ers?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on November 11, 2018, 06:33:26 PM
Maybe I'm just following this too closely now and not seeing it, or maybe it's still too early, but I'm wondering... where are all the nobodies? Give or take a Deval Patrick, most potential candidates in this thread are currently holding office (or have done so until very recently). Look at previous primaries, there's always nobodies at the bottom of the heap. People who've been out of office for a while, with very little name recognition. They don't do well. They'll withdraw before votes are cast, or after receiving a dozen votes. Mike Gravel, Lincoln Chafee, George Pataki, Jim Gilmore... and so on. Who's going to fill that spot in 2020? You'd think maybe we'd have more people like that seizing their chance and going for it. Again - maybe I'm following it too closely and just not recognizing it. But I'm not seeing it. Where are the 0.1%ers?
John Delaney comes to mind.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on November 11, 2018, 08:20:33 PM
Maybe I'm just following this too closely now and not seeing it, or maybe it's still too early, but I'm wondering... where are all the nobodies? Give or take a Deval Patrick, most potential candidates in this thread are currently holding office (or have done so until very recently). Look at previous primaries, there's always nobodies at the bottom of the heap. People who've been out of office for a while, with very little name recognition. They don't do well. They'll withdraw before votes are cast, or after receiving a dozen votes. Mike Gravel, Lincoln Chafee, George Pataki, Jim Gilmore... and so on. Who's going to fill that spot in 2020? You'd think maybe we'd have more people like that seizing their chance and going for it. Again - maybe I'm following it too closely and just not recognizing it. But I'm not seeing it. Where are the 0.1%ers?

John Delaney.

Andrew Yang, if you count his brief experience with the Obama admin. as experience.

Who knows, maybe Lincoln Chafee.

Martin O'Malley.

I'm thinking a random Southern State DINO from the House may run too.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: CherokeeDem on November 11, 2018, 11:11:47 PM
Maybe I'm just following this too closely now and not seeing it, or maybe it's still too early, but I'm wondering... where are all the nobodies? Give or take a Deval Patrick, most potential candidates in this thread are currently holding office (or have done so until very recently). Look at previous primaries, there's always nobodies at the bottom of the heap. People who've been out of office for a while, with very little name recognition. They don't do well. They'll withdraw before votes are cast, or after receiving a dozen votes. Mike Gravel, Lincoln Chafee, George Pataki, Jim Gilmore... and so on. Who's going to fill that spot in 2020? You'd think maybe we'd have more people like that seizing their chance and going for it. Again - maybe I'm following it too closely and just not recognizing it. But I'm not seeing it. Where are the 0.1%ers?

Well Ojeda just announced he's running so there's your answer.

https://theintercept.com/2018/11/11/richard-ojeda-2020-president/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 12, 2018, 09:51:04 AM
Gabbard on 2020:

https://www.theweek.in/wire-updates/international/2018/11/12/fgn25-us-gabbard-ld%20presidency.html

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Gabbard, a Democrat, who addressed the gathering, however neither confirmed or denied that she is running for president in 2020.

A decision on this could be taken before Christmas, which might not necessarily result in a formal announcement as that could be delayed till the next year, people familiar with her thinking process told PTI.

However, it is said that she and her team has quietly been reaching out to prospective donors, including a large number of Indian Americans, and volunteers to build an impressive campaign for her 2020 run.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on November 12, 2018, 11:00:07 AM
Sherrod Brown’s wife



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 12, 2018, 11:12:43 AM
Sherrod Brown’s wife



From the article that links to:

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Brown, a Democrat who won his election Tuesday by about 6 percentage points, said he’s hearing “sort of a crescendo” of interest in him seeking the White House, be it through his wife Connie Schultz’s Facebook page, or through calls or emails. “We’re hearing it increase, so we’re thinking about it as a result,” he said, adding, “we’re not close to saying yes.”
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He said that while some suggested he run for president during the campaign, he could only focus then on his re-election. But since his win, he said, “it’s been pretty overwhelming.”

“My first mission is to encourage people to start talking about (American workers) more, reaching out to people in the industrial Midwest,” he said. “We’ll see later on about the presidential race. But we are thinking about it for the first time seriously.”

In other news, Politico says Booker, Harris, Hickenlooper, Sanders, and Warren are all looking for staff to man their potential presidential campaigns:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/12/2020-democrats-campaign-staff-983467

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Sen. Cory Booker is personally calling political pros in Iowa, South Carolina and New Hampshire to staff a 2020 campaign. Gov. John Hickenlooper is in touch with D.C. operatives about his search for a communications expert. Sen. Elizabeth Warren was interviewing campaign advisers even before Tuesday’s midterms.
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That explains why, with the midterm elections not even a week in the history books, Democratic hopefuls have been scrambling to fill out their 2020 teams. Sen. Bernie Sanders’ aides, for instance, were reaching out to operatives coming off of successful midterm campaigns.

“They’re having phone calls on the staff level to gauge interest,” said a source within the Sanders camp.

Sen. Kamala Harris' aides have been in talks with Angelique Cannon about joining her finance team ahead of a likely 2020 run, a source familiar with the discussions said. Cannon worked for Senate Majority PAC during the 2018 cycle and for Hillary Clinton's campaign in 2016.

Booker himself called staff prospects in three early states, including field organizers and senior officials involved in some of the state's marquee midterm campaigns, four people with knowledge of the calls told POLITICO. While Booker isn’t making offers yet, “he’s building a bridge” to potential aides, said one person with knowledge of the conversations.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: President Johnson on November 12, 2018, 02:00:40 PM
Haven't seen this in the 2020 board:

Last Friday, Steve Bullock was on Morning Joe and talked about the bad influence of money in politics and about showing up in rural areas to make up ground for Democrats. Still declined to answer whether he'll run: Video (https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/montana-governor-on-being-blue-in-a-red-state-1366161987771?v=railb&)

The guy comes over as likeable, has definitely a message and a strategy how to win.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lambsbread on November 12, 2018, 03:05:22 PM
Haven't seen this in the 2020 board:

Last Friday, Steve Bullock was on Morning Joe and talked about the bad influence of money in politics and about showing up in rural areas to make up ground for Democrats. Still declined to answer whether he'll run: Video (https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/montana-governor-on-being-blue-in-a-red-state-1366161987771?v=railb&)

The guy comes over as likeable, has definitely a message and a strategy how to win.

I'm a big Steve Bullock guy. 20% of Trump voters in Montana also voted for him. He's pro-gun, but pro-common sense, pro-net neutrality, runs on a platform of unity across all ideological leanings, comes across as Bernie-esque in terms of potential appeal minus the whole s-word thing.

Because of all that, though, he won't win. It's a shame that the Democrats will end up nominating another candidate who plays the I'm Not Trump/identity politics card, only to get crushed in the states that are more willing to support a candidate like Bullock.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: President Johnson on November 12, 2018, 03:13:56 PM
Haven't seen this in the 2020 board:

Last Friday, Steve Bullock was on Morning Joe and talked about the bad influence of money in politics and about showing up in rural areas to make up ground for Democrats. Still declined to answer whether he'll run: Video (https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/montana-governor-on-being-blue-in-a-red-state-1366161987771?v=railb&)

The guy comes over as likeable, has definitely a message and a strategy how to win.

I'm a big Steve Bullock guy. 20% of Trump voters in Montana also voted for him. He's pro-gun, but pro-common sense, pro-net neutrality, runs on a platform of unity across all ideological leanings, comes across as Bernie-esque in terms of potential appeal minus the whole s-word thing.

Because of all that, though, he won't win. It's a shame that the Democrats will end up nominating another candidate who plays the I'm Not Trump/identity politics card, only to get crushed in the states that are more willing to support a candidate like Bullock.

Couldn't agree more. Steve Bullock with a female and possibly minority running mate like Kamala Harris would be pretty tough for Trump. I still hope the Democrats are smart enough.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Comrade Funk on November 12, 2018, 03:25:18 PM
Haven't seen this in the 2020 board:

Last Friday, Steve Bullock was on Morning Joe and talked about the bad influence of money in politics and about showing up in rural areas to make up ground for Democrats. Still declined to answer whether he'll run: Video (https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/montana-governor-on-being-blue-in-a-red-state-1366161987771?v=railb&)

The guy comes over as likeable, has definitely a message and a strategy how to win.

I'm a big Steve Bullock guy. 20% of Trump voters in Montana also voted for him. He's pro-gun, but pro-common sense, pro-net neutrality, runs on a platform of unity across all ideological leanings, comes across as Bernie-esque in terms of potential appeal minus the whole s-word thing.

Because of all that, though, he won't win. It's a shame that the Democrats will end up nominating another candidate who plays the I'm Not Trump/identity politics card, only to get crushed in the states that are more willing to support a candidate like Bullock.
Tell us who is playing that card.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lambsbread on November 12, 2018, 03:39:37 PM
Haven't seen this in the 2020 board:

Last Friday, Steve Bullock was on Morning Joe and talked about the bad influence of money in politics and about showing up in rural areas to make up ground for Democrats. Still declined to answer whether he'll run: Video (https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/montana-governor-on-being-blue-in-a-red-state-1366161987771?v=railb&)

The guy comes over as likeable, has definitely a message and a strategy how to win.

I'm a big Steve Bullock guy. 20% of Trump voters in Montana also voted for him. He's pro-gun, but pro-common sense, pro-net neutrality, runs on a platform of unity across all ideological leanings, comes across as Bernie-esque in terms of potential appeal minus the whole s-word thing.

Because of all that, though, he won't win. It's a shame that the Democrats will end up nominating another candidate who plays the I'm Not Trump/identity politics card, only to get crushed in the states that are more willing to support a candidate like Bullock.

Couldn't agree more. Steve Bullock with a female and possibly minority running mate like Kamala Harris would be pretty tough for Trump. I still hope the Democrats are smart enough.

Bullock and Beto is my pick, but I think Bullock and maybe Tulsi Gabbard could be alright


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on November 12, 2018, 04:40:04 PM
It's a shame that the Democrats will end up nominating another candidate who plays the I'm Not Trump/identity politics card, only to get crushed in the states that are more willing to support a candidate like Bullock.
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A candidate acknowledging that they are a woman and/or a person of color is not identity politics. Sending troops to the border to combat a "caravan" of defenseless brown women and children to win an election is identity politics.

Anyway I hope Bullock or Beto is the nominee because they both will make compelling candidates against Trump. Frontrunners like Biden, Warren, Booker, Harris, and Sanders will fall flat for a variety of reasons.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Comrade Funk on November 12, 2018, 05:00:06 PM
It's a shame that the Democrats will end up nominating another candidate who plays the I'm Not Trump/identity politics card, only to get crushed in the states that are more willing to support a candidate like Bullock.
::)

A candidate acknowledging that they are a woman and/or a person of color is not identity politics. Sending troops to the border to combat a "caravan" of defenseless brown women and children to win an election is identity politics.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lambsbread on November 12, 2018, 06:10:40 PM
It's a shame that the Democrats will end up nominating another candidate who plays the I'm Not Trump/identity politics card, only to get crushed in the states that are more willing to support a candidate like Bullock.
::)

A candidate acknowledging that they are a woman and/or a person of color is not identity politics. Sending troops to the border to combat a "caravan" of defenseless brown women and children to win an election is identity politics.

Anyway I hope Bullock or Beto is the nominee because they both will make compelling candidates against Trump. Frontrunners like Biden, Warren, Booker, Harris, and Sanders will fall flat for a variety of reasons.

You're right, but the Democratic Party nominating a woman and/or PoC so that they can paint the difference between their candidate and Trump as "minority versus racist cheeto" is not good praxis. The Democratic Party likes to take pride in the fact that Kamala Harris, Stacey Abrams, Andrew Gillum, the Castro bros, etc. all fall under their big umbrella, but they use them as tokens. They think just by nominating one of those people for POTUS, they can claim a moral victory...even if those candidates get destroyed in the general. One of the many reasons Hillary got beaten (humiliated) was because she did not stick to the issues. She just expected to win solely by virtue of not being Donald Trump, ergo not a racist/sexist/bigot/deplorable.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Xeuma on November 12, 2018, 06:27:41 PM
It's a shame that the Democrats will end up nominating another candidate who plays the I'm Not Trump/identity politics card, only to get crushed in the states that are more willing to support a candidate like Bullock.
::)

A candidate acknowledging that they are a woman and/or a person of color is not identity politics. Sending troops to the border to combat a "caravan" of defenseless brown women and children to win an election is identity politics.

Anyway I hope Bullock or Beto is the nominee because they both will make compelling candidates against Trump. Frontrunners like Biden, Warren, Booker, Harris, and Sanders will fall flat for a variety of reasons.

You're right, but the Democratic Party nominating a woman and/or PoC so that they can paint the difference between their candidate and Trump as "minority versus racist cheeto" is not good praxis. The Democratic Party likes to take pride in the fact that Kamala Harris, Stacey Abrams, Andrew Gillum, the Castro bros, etc. all fall under their big umbrella, but they use them as tokens. They think just by nominating one of those people for POTUS, they can claim a moral victory...even if those candidates get destroyed in the general. One of the many reasons Hillary got beaten (humiliated) was because she did not stick to the issues. She just expected to win solely by virtue of not being Donald Trump, ergo not a racist/sexist/bigot/deplorable.

Maybe I'm stupid and wrong, but I don't think anybody in the Democratic Party takes moral victories. Also Hillary has heavy on substantial issues while Trump had no policy beyond "make America great again." Americans don't give a crap about policy, they want something to rally around. Hillary was not that person, and she almost won just because of how toxic Trump is.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on November 12, 2018, 07:48:29 PM
Sherrod Brown’s wife



Ordinarily I would be ecstatic, but as I can't emphasize enough, Governor-elect DeWine makes this a bad idea.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lambsbread on November 12, 2018, 07:59:39 PM
Maybe I'm stupid and wrong, but I don't think anybody in the Democratic Party takes moral victories. Also Hillary has heavy on substantial issues while Trump had no policy beyond "make America great again." Americans don't give a crap about policy, they want something to rally around. Hillary was not that person, and she almost won just because of how toxic Trump is.

You're not stupid or wrong, but Trump represented a rejection of the political status quo. Hillary represented that status quo. People got sick of being talked down to. They want someone who will talk to them like adults, talk to Trump like an adult, and tell them (in plain language) how they will help them directly. Americans are afraid of the unknown. They fear the nebulous "socialism" because all they know about it is that they've been taught their whole lives that it's bad. However, they're willing to accept socialistic policies when they're broken down to plain language. Just look at Obamacare--it was absolutely despised when it was referred to as "socialized medicine" and now repealing it is political suicide in a lot of areas of the country...even some GOP areas. Americans will vote for a Democrat who breaks their policy platform down to language they can understand.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Figueira on November 12, 2018, 08:26:22 PM
Sherrod Brown’s wife



Ordinarily I would be ecstatic, but as I can't emphasize enough, Governor-elect DeWine makes this a bad idea.

Why would this "ordinarily" not be a problem? There would be a special election (that Republicans would be favored in) either way.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on November 12, 2018, 08:28:38 PM
Sherrod Brown’s wife



Ordinarily I would be ecstatic, but as I can't emphasize enough, Governor-elect DeWine makes this a bad idea.

Why would this "ordinarily" not be a problem? There would be a special election (that Republicans would be favored in) either way.

I meant "ordinarily" in the sense that the news itself would, or should make me excited, but not anymore. He needs to glue himself to that seat until the Demcoratic numbers in the Senate aren't hanging by a thread, at the very least.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NevadanAtHeart on November 12, 2018, 10:06:22 PM
Sherrod Brown’s wife



Ordinarily I would be ecstatic, but as I can't emphasize enough, Governor-elect DeWine makes this a bad idea.

Why would this "ordinarily" not be a problem? There would be a special election (that Republicans would be favored in) either way.

I meant "ordinarily" in the sense that the news itself would, or should make me excited, but not anymore. He needs to glue himself to that seat until the Demcoratic numbers in the Senate aren't hanging by a thread, at the very least.

A majority in the Senate is likely out of reach anyway. And I think the presidency is a lot more valuable than a Senate seat, especially one that probably won't mean the difference between victory and defeat in the Senate. So looking at it and just saying "but muh DeWine" only really makes sense if all of the following are true:

1. He'd win. (because if he'd lose it's pretty irrelevant)

2. There is another Democrat who is in a blue state who would have as much or more is a chance to win the general if nominated. (because if this is true then you might as well run them instead) OR the Senate majority is more valuable than the Presidency (because if this is true then your priority should obviously be the Senate)

3. The Senate majority is in play in 2020, where Democrats will have to win 4 of AZ, ME, NC, IA, and CO while losing nothing but AL. (because if it's not in play there's no such thing as "wasting" a seat)

If you don't think all of these are true, then the DeWine factor is pretty irrelevant


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 13, 2018, 01:19:35 AM
Gillibrand's new book is out this week, so she's on the book tour.  Today, she was on The View:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AEjCEWHENk

At about the 3:10 mark, she's asked if she'll run for president in 2020, and she says "I'm thinking about it".


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NewYorkExpress on November 13, 2018, 02:11:23 AM
Sherrod Brown’s wife



Ordinarily I would be ecstatic, but as I can't emphasize enough, Governor-elect DeWine makes this a bad idea.

Why would this "ordinarily" not be a problem? There would be a special election (that Republicans would be favored in) either way.

I meant "ordinarily" in the sense that the news itself would, or should make me excited, but not anymore. He needs to glue himself to that seat until the Demcoratic numbers in the Senate aren't hanging by a thread, at the very least.

A majority in the Senate is likely out of reach anyway. And I think the presidency is a lot more valuable than a Senate seat, especially one that probably won't mean the difference between victory and defeat in the Senate. So looking at it and just saying "but muh DeWine" only really makes sense if all of the following are true:

1. He'd win. (because if he'd lose it's pretty irrelevant)

2. There is another Democrat who is in a blue state who would have as much or more is a chance to win the general if nominated. (because if this is true then you might as well run them instead) OR the Senate majority is more valuable than the Presidency (because if this is true then your priority should obviously be the Senate)

3. The Senate majority is in play in 2020, where Democrats will have to win 4 of AZ, ME, NC, IA, and CO while losing nothing but AL. (because if it's not in play there's no such thing as "wasting" a seat)

If you don't think all of these are true, then the DeWine factor is pretty irrelevant

Honestly, it doesn't really matter. Ohio will be far enough to the right, that Brown probably will lose in 2024 if he runs for reelection anyways.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 13, 2018, 03:24:47 AM
Kasich will be in NH on Thursday:

https://www.concordmonitor.com/On-the-trail-post-midterms-Steinhauser-21419471


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Grassroots on November 13, 2018, 11:07:51 AM
Kasich will be in NH on Thursday:

https://www.concordmonitor.com/On-the-trail-post-midterms-Steinhauser-21419471


This election is going to be great.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: OSR stands with Israel on November 13, 2018, 02:33:35 PM
Kasich will be in NH on Thursday:

https://www.concordmonitor.com/On-the-trail-post-midterms-Steinhauser-21419471



Endorsed


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: LAKISYLVANIA on November 13, 2018, 03:10:57 PM
Haven't seen this in the 2020 board:

Last Friday, Steve Bullock was on Morning Joe and talked about the bad influence of money in politics and about showing up in rural areas to make up ground for Democrats. Still declined to answer whether he'll run: Video (https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/montana-governor-on-being-blue-in-a-red-state-1366161987771?v=railb&)

The guy comes over as likeable, has definitely a message and a strategy how to win.

That seems like a good thing. Him running for the nomination (he won't win) could be a good thing, because at least he would make sure that some rural voters have something to talk about (very few though), but putting his name out there, and what he stands for is never a bad thing i guess. I just wouldn't name him a "strong candidate" necessarily (yet).


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 13, 2018, 04:08:53 PM
Julián Castro huddles with donors to prepare 2020 bid (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/13/julian-castro-2020-election-987534)

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Julián Castro convened a group of supporters in San Antonio Monday in preparation for a 2020 presidential campaign, sources familiar with the gathering told POLITICO.

Castro and his twin brother, Rep. Joaquin Castro, brought together about 20 of their loyal donors and bundlers in San Antonio to begin to sketch out a national bid, according to one person present and another with direct knowledge of the meeting.

The session lasted several hours and invited the potential donors to ask questions about a potential presidential campaign. The 44-year-old brothers even left the room for a bit to give their allies a chance to talk freely, according to Scott Atlas, a prominent Houston attorney and the finance chair for Democrat Bill White’s 2010 challenge to then-Governor Rick Perry.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: lfromnj on November 13, 2018, 06:14:22 PM
Julián Castro huddles with donors to prepare 2020 bid (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/13/julian-castro-2020-election-987534)

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Julián Castro convened a group of supporters in San Antonio Monday in preparation for a 2020 presidential campaign, sources familiar with the gathering told POLITICO.

Castro and his twin brother, Rep. Joaquin Castro, brought together about 20 of their loyal donors and bundlers in San Antonio to begin to sketch out a national bid, according to one person present and another with direct knowledge of the meeting.

The session lasted several hours and invited the potential donors to ask questions about a potential presidential campaign. The 44-year-old brothers even left the room for a bit to give their allies a chance to talk freely, according to Scott Atlas, a prominent Houston attorney and the finance chair for Democrat Bill White’s 2010 challenge to then-Governor Rick Perry.

wtf is it even with Julian Castro?
Seems like a sh**t tier candidate who just gets hyped by pundits but would be John Delaney level during the actual primaries.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Comrade Funk on November 13, 2018, 06:18:02 PM
Julián Castro huddles with donors to prepare 2020 bid (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/13/julian-castro-2020-election-987534)

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Julián Castro convened a group of supporters in San Antonio Monday in preparation for a 2020 presidential campaign, sources familiar with the gathering told POLITICO.

Castro and his twin brother, Rep. Joaquin Castro, brought together about 20 of their loyal donors and bundlers in San Antonio to begin to sketch out a national bid, according to one person present and another with direct knowledge of the meeting.

The session lasted several hours and invited the potential donors to ask questions about a potential presidential campaign. The 44-year-old brothers even left the room for a bit to give their allies a chance to talk freely, according to Scott Atlas, a prominent Houston attorney and the finance chair for Democrat Bill White’s 2010 challenge to then-Governor Rick Perry.

wtf is it even with Julian Castro?
Seems like a sh**t tier candidate who just gets hyped by pundits but would be John Delaney level during the actual primaries.
Both Castros were too cowardly to run for statewide office.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: lfromnj on November 13, 2018, 06:24:11 PM
Julián Castro huddles with donors to prepare 2020 bid (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/13/julian-castro-2020-election-987534)

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Julián Castro convened a group of supporters in San Antonio Monday in preparation for a 2020 presidential campaign, sources familiar with the gathering told POLITICO.

Castro and his twin brother, Rep. Joaquin Castro, brought together about 20 of their loyal donors and bundlers in San Antonio to begin to sketch out a national bid, according to one person present and another with direct knowledge of the meeting.

The session lasted several hours and invited the potential donors to ask questions about a potential presidential campaign. The 44-year-old brothers even left the room for a bit to give their allies a chance to talk freely, according to Scott Atlas, a prominent Houston attorney and the finance chair for Democrat Bill White’s 2010 challenge to then-Governor Rick Perry.

wtf is it even with Julian Castro?
Seems like a sh**t tier candidate who just gets hyped by pundits but would be John Delaney level during the actual primaries.
Both Castros were too cowardly to run for statewide office.

Obviously coz they don't seem the hard workers to actually campaign. Instead some rando congressman from El paso wastes 2 years of his life.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 13, 2018, 11:37:12 PM
Booker:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cory-booker-will-take-time-coming-months-consider-2020-bid-222242880.html

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“I’ll consider that,” Booker said of the coming presidential race. “I’m focused right now on my reelection, but is it something I’ll consider? Absolutely. Now is not the time to do that, we’ve got elections in the field, I’ve got a lot of work to do. I’ve just come off an election. I will do my best over the coming months.”

Serwer pressed Booker on when exactly he will make a decision on a potential White House bid.

“My decision’s made right now. I’m running for reelection, but will I take some time over the coming months to consider it? I absolutely will.”

Booker went on to say he finds the presidential speculation “bothersome” and believes it is “too early” to focus on the next White House race.

“Honestly, right now, … this is those wonderful moments in Washington where we should be able to come together and get good work done before we start balkanizing ourselves for presidential ambitions,” Booker said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ○∙◄☻Ątπ[╪AV┼cVę└ on November 14, 2018, 01:15:04 AM
It's a shame that the Democrats will end up nominating another candidate who plays the I'm Not Trump/identity politics card, only to get crushed in the states that are more willing to support a candidate like Bullock.
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A candidate acknowledging that they are a woman and/or a person of color is not identity politics. Sending troops to the border to combat a "caravan" of defenseless brown women and children to win an election is identity politics.

Anyway I hope Bullock or Beto is the nominee because they both will make compelling candidates against Trump. Frontrunners like Biden, Warren, Booker, Harris, and Sanders will fall flat for a variety of reasons.

Hillary supporters always claimed that people who didn't support her were sexist and racist white males. That's definitely identity politics.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 14, 2018, 10:00:06 AM
Bloomberg's decision timeline:

https://apnews.com/0c074c602c474a82aa096e0b755fc413

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“I think January, February would be about as late as you can do it and as early as you can gather enough information,” Bloomberg told The Associated Press in an interview Tuesday.
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“Thanksgiving, Christmas and then maybe a few weeks into January — that’s when you really gotta sit down, talk to your advisers and say, ‘Look, do I have a chance?’ I think I know why I would want to run. I think I know what I think this country should do and what I would do. But I just don’t know whether it’s possible,” Bloomberg told the AP.

He added, “If people don’t seem to be warming to you, there’s plenty of other ways that I can make a difference in life and say thank you to this country for what it’s given my kids and me.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on November 14, 2018, 12:20:42 PM
High chance Gabbard runs

https://www.tribuneindia.com/mobi/news/world/tulsi-gabbard-planning-to-run-for-us-presidency-in-2020-sources/681953.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on November 14, 2018, 04:00:48 PM
High chance Gabbard runs

https://www.tribuneindia.com/mobi/news/world/tulsi-gabbard-planning-to-run-for-us-presidency-in-2020-sources/681953.html

Ironic that Bernie's two highest profile Congressional endorsements (Merkley and Gabbard) are probably going to run against him.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: aaroncd107 on November 14, 2018, 05:59:25 PM
Wild... Avenatti’s been arrested for domestic violence after taking Stomy Daniels and Julie Swetnick’s cases. He is probably over.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: WV222 on November 14, 2018, 06:12:56 PM
https://www.facebook.com/events/280740519219278/

Ojeda is launching his campaign Monday night in Louisville, KY.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️ on November 14, 2018, 08:54:50 PM
https://www.facebook.com/events/280740519219278/

Ojeda is launching his campaign Monday night in Louisville, KY.

Seems like a strange place to launch it.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Grassroots on November 14, 2018, 09:56:46 PM
https://www.facebook.com/events/280740519219278/

Ojeda is launching his campaign Monday night in Louisville, KY.

Seems like a strange place to launch it.

Basically he's putting together his base, and his top target is Appalachia.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: WV222 on November 14, 2018, 10:15:51 PM
https://www.facebook.com/events/280740519219278/

Ojeda is launching his campaign Monday night in Louisville, KY.

Seems like a strange place to launch it.

Even stranger when he is going to a Teamsters there. It seems he wants to be the union candidate, however, why not do it in Charleston with a bunch of teachers he helped successfully beat two chambers of 2:1 GOP majorities to get a 5% pay raise for them.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Chinggis on November 14, 2018, 10:16:19 PM
If Ojeda stays in long enough (and especially if he makes it into the debates), I could see him winning a lot of Demosaur protest votes in places like Oklahoma, Arkansas, Kentucky, West Virginia, north Louisiana and the Florida Panhandle. I'm rooting for him tbh, not to win the nomination but to raise hell.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️ on November 14, 2018, 10:58:11 PM
If Ojeda stays in long enough (and especially if he makes it into the debates), I could see him winning a lot of Demosaur protest votes in places like Oklahoma, Arkansas, Kentucky, West Virginia, north Louisiana and the Florida Panhandle. I'm rooting for him tbh, not to win the nomination but to raise hell.

Yeah, the funny thing is it is not at all difficult to imagine him even winning the primaries outright in a lot of those states - even if - or especially if, he is not considered a major candidate. Many voters in those states who are registered D simply will not vote for a major Dem candidate associated with the national party, and will literally rather vote for people who are in prison (Obama famously lost the WV primary I think in 2012 to an inmate).

That does mean that even if Ojeda goes absolutely nowhere nationally, he could get a decent delegate haul from Appalachian states, and then have influence that way. I guess if that is his goal, it is not really a bad strategy.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 15, 2018, 12:27:38 AM
Here's a story about the candidates and South Carolina:

https://www.apnews.com/8dd2dd48c247482a933982a25a46708b

I've already noted Patrick's upcoming SC trip here, but that story says that Booker and Garcetti are also planning to return to SC "in the coming weeks".  Also:

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On Wednesday, an adviser to Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti confirmed to The Associated Press that South Carolina strategist Phil Chambers had been hired by a political action committee aligned with the mayor, Democratic Victory Fund. Chambers served as an adviser on Smith’s gubernatorial campaign, as well as chief of staff to the South Carolina Democratic Party.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Canis on November 15, 2018, 12:58:42 AM
If Ojeda stays in long enough (and especially if he makes it into the debates), I could see him winning a lot of Demosaur protest votes in places like Oklahoma, Arkansas, Kentucky, West Virginia, north Louisiana and the Florida Panhandle. I'm rooting for him tbh, not to win the nomination but to raise hell.

Yeah, the funny thing is it is not at all difficult to imagine him even winning the primaries outright in a lot of those states - even if - or especially if, he is not considered a major candidate. Many voters in those states who are registered D simply will not vote for a major Dem candidate associated with the national party, and will literally rather vote for people who are in prison (Obama famously lost the WV primary I think in 2012 to an inmate).

That does mean that even if Ojeda goes absolutely nowhere nationally, he could get a decent delegate haul from Appalachian states, and then have influence that way. I guess if that is his goal, it is not really a bad strategy.
He didn't lose but it was hella close for an incumbent president vs a inmate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_West_Virginia,_2012#Democratic_primary


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on November 15, 2018, 08:39:56 AM
So it looks like

Brown
Warren
Merkley
Gabbard

Are all running, add Bernie and maybe de Blasio and the progressive vote will be split ten ways till Sunday


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 15, 2018, 11:18:09 AM
Prospective 2020 Democratic candidates are participating in “friend-raisers”….”a small, informal gathering donors host for would-be candidates”, presumably with the intention of sounding out donors in preparation for a national run:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/416814-democrats-huddle-for-2020-friend-raisers

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Attendees don’t typically write checks at a friend-raiser, as they would for traditional fundraisers.

But they trade ideas, business cards and promises to stay in touch, if and when a presidential campaign is launched.

Who has done it so far?:

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Former Vice President Joe Biden, Sen. Kamala Harris (Calif.), Sen. Cory Booker (N.J.), Montana Gov. Steve Bullock, Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti and Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper are among the Democratic politicians who have met with donors at the gatherings, according to multiple sources.
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The friend-raiser is typically a lunch or a breakfast, with no more than 30 people invited. It is typically hosted by someone close to or at least friendly with a would-be candidate and includes as participants people capable of pulling together tens of millions of dollars.

A Democratic strategist dubbed it a “kicking the tires exercise.”

In other news, Merkley talks 2020 here:

https://kobi5.com/news/local-news/2020-senator-or-president-merkley-may-have-to-choose-89846/

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“Well I’m still exploring the question of whether to get into the presidential primaries, and I just haven’t made a decision on it yet,” he said.

Sen. Merkley said he’ll continue to explore the potential run over the holidays and make a decision early next year.

He also said it’s up to the Oregon legislature if they want to follow NJ’s lead and pass a new law to let him run for reelection while he runs for president, but mused that Oregon’s late primary may make that unnecessary, since he could run for president and if he doesn’t finish in the top tier in the early primaries, he’d still have time to drop out and run for reelection instead.  (Of course, Booker could do that too, but that didn’t stop the legislature from acting.)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Kentuckian on November 15, 2018, 02:47:39 PM
From MinnPost on Amy Klobuchar:

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It was Election Night 2018 on Twitter, and the national pundit class was suddenly very interested in Sen. Amy Klobuchar’s margins of victory in rural Minnesota.

Josh Barro, a centrist columnist for New York Magazine, tweeted out a map of Minnesota displaying the votes garnered by Klobuchar versus her Republican opponent, Jim Newberger: not only did the map show Klobuchar’s overall 26-point, 400,000-vote lead (she would ultimately win by 600,000 votes) it also showed her turning blue what are normally deep-red counties in rural parts of the state — 43 counties, to be exact, that Donald Trump won in 2016.

Barro presented the map with a brief bit of commentary dripping in subtext: “I have a tip for Democrats who would like to not just beat Trump in 2020,” he said, “but bury him.”

That Klobuchar easily secured a third term in the U.S. Senate in last Tuesday’s midterm was no surprise. Also no surprise: that her victory would add to growing buzz about the Minnesota Democrat as a viable candidate for president in 2020.

Indeed, plenty of pundits from the Beltway to the Midwest touted Klobuchar’s performance on Tuesday night, arguing that her strong showing in urban, suburban, and rural areas — and in a deeply divided heartland state, no less — were an advantage that few other 2020 Democratic hopefuls could boast in making the case against a second term of Donald Trump.
That the blue map Barro tweeted out — a tantalizing image to a party still coming to grips with the loss of working-class white voters in the Midwest in 2016 — came on the heels of a breakout moment for Klobuchar in the high-profile hearings over Brett Kavanaugh and sexual assault only added lighter fuel to an already-burning fire of White House speculation around the senator.

To date, Klobuchar has remained predictably coy about any ambitions — rumored for years — beyond serving as Minnesota’s senior U.S. Senator. But for her and for several other possible 2020 candidates, last week’s midterm was the last fig leaf left to obscure an answer to the “are you running?” question. The next election on the calendar is now the all-important presidential one, and it appears that more people than ever are interested in Klobuchar’s answer to the big question.

Chasing Amy
Standing before an adoring crowd at the DFL Party’s election night celebration last week, Klobuchar declared in her victory speech that the Midwest was “left behind” in 2016.

“In 2018, Minnesota is roaring back to say, we are ‘One Minnesota,’” she said, invoking the campaign slogan of Gov.-elect Tim Walz that turned into a rallying cry for Minnesota Democrats in 2018. “It appears Minnesotans voted our dreams and not our fears. We voted for common sense and not blistering words. We voted for getting things done and not gamesmanship. And we voted for substance instead of subtweets… We voted for the way politics can be, should be, and with your help, will be.”

Political observers often parse the tea leaves of speeches like these, looking for notes of foreshadowing for an imminent presidential bid. Klobuchar’s speech, for its mention of “subtweets” — a term for veiled criticism on social media — was itself a veiled criticism of Trump, clear to those who were listening for it. At the same time, the senator’s speech was an amplification of her brand of pragmatic politics, which figures to be an emphatic part of any bid she makes for higher office — and possibly an impediment to her winning support in the party’s progressive base.

More than anything Klobuchar actually said, though, her strong performance on Tuesday night was the main thing stoking more 2020 speculation. She defeated Newberger, a state representative who failed to raise the money and support necessary to really compete, by 24 points, earning over 60 percent of the vote. That margin of victory was almost exactly the same as Sen. Elizabeth Warren, whose home state of Massachusetts leans much more to the left than Minnesota.
Klobuchar ran up the score in the metro-area counties, but she also had formidable margins in hotbeds of Trump support: in Beltrami County, a northern Minnesota county that Trump carried by 10 points, Klobuchar defeated Newberger by 12. She eked out a victory in western Minnesota’s Wilkin County, which went for Trump by almost 40 points in 2016. (There were some signs of post-Trump partisan hardening in rural Minnesota, though: in her 2012 reelection bid, Klobuchar carried Wilkin by 25 points. That year, she won all but two of Minnesota’s 87 counties.)

Some in the media, who had already been buzzing about Klobuchar as a dark horse candidate, went all-in after her decisive win. Columns began appearing, laying out the “case for Klobuchar.” In the Philadelphia Inquirer, for example, columnist Will Bunch wrote that “Klobuchar feels like the fulfillment of what many of us have been saying since November 9, 2016 — that the Democrat who can beat Trump in 2020 was out there hiding in plain sight amid the baggage-carrying, way-too-familiar front runners.”

CNN’s Chris Cillizza and Harry Enten, who maintain a “power rankings” list of possible presidential candidates, ranked Klobuchar as the number four Democrat, only trailing Warren, former vice president Joe Biden, and California Sen. Kamala Harris.
“Democrats are desperate to win back the Midwest,” they wrote. “If they are, then doesn’t it make sense to nominate someone who just won reelection to the Senate from a key Midwestern state by 24 points. It was by far the biggest win for any Democratic Midwestern senator. We’re reminded of another Midwestern senator who won his last election before running for president by a wide margin.”

Iowa trips and Colbert hits
Before CNN was comparing her favorably to Barack Obama, Klobuchar was doing things that invited 2020 speculation.

The weekend before the election, for example, Klobuchar was in Iowa, campaigning on behalf of a Democratic congressional candidate, Cindy Axne, in the suburbs of Des Moines. According to the web site Iowa Starting Line, which tracks visits of political notables to the Hawkeye State, it was the third time in the last two years that Klobuchar has popped down to the state that hosts the first-in-the-nation presidential caucus. (Last spring, she headlined a fundraising dinner for Democrats in Polk County, the state’s most populous.)

A pre-election visit to Iowa is, typically, about as conspicuous as it gets for an ambitious politician — a blatant giveaway they’re seriously considering a White House bid. While Klobuchar’s visit certainly raised eyebrows, the senator is better-positioned to credibly make a low-key visit to Iowa than almost anyone else, according to Steffen Schmidt, a professor at Iowa State University who has been following the caucuses since the 1970s.

When people like Warren or Sen. Cory Booker of New Jersey visit, Schmidt says, “we know it’s not because the weather is nice.” (That may explain why contenders like Booker and Harris have only gone to Iowa once each this year.) “That’s not the case with [Klobuchar],” he said, noting that she has been quietly visiting for years. “When she comes to Iowa, it is not to run for president. It may be she has that in the back of her mind, but it never surfaces. That’s a big advantage.”

“She’s really well known. We used to say the candidates who did well sometimes were ones who were neighbors,” he said. “While nationally, she’s probably not that well-known, she is really well-known among the people who count, for the caucuses, at least. They know who she is.”

In the past few months, many more people — in Iowa and elsewhere — have come to know who Klobuchar is. That’s thanks to her role in the contentious hearings in September investigating the allegations of sexual assault levied against Brett Kavanaugh, then a nominee to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Unlike some hopefuls such as Booker, who was accused by Republicans of grandstanding during the Kavanaugh confirmation, Klobuchar’s big moment came up more organically, when she asked Kavanaugh if he had ever blacked out while drinking — a key line of questioning for Democrats concerned with the credibility of his testimony — and the judge responded by asking, “I don’t know, have you?”

The senator kept the focus on the question, and her toned-down handling of the situation won her widespread acclaim. “Her name recognition went way up with the Kavanaugh hearings,” Schmidt says. “That was a huge moment, that gave her massive national visibility and respect from a lot of people, Democrats and probably also independents, too.”

“The moment made Klobuchar a star, if not yet a superstar,” the Inquirer’s Bunch wrote.

Since then, Klobuchar has been appearing more often on cable news and nightly talk shows. On the eve of the election, she was on Stephen Colbert’s show in New York City, giving what she framed was Democrats’ “closing argument” in the midterms. She outlined what Democrats need to do to beat Trump in the Midwest: respect others, find common ground, and be willing to stand with people you don’t always agree with.

“The obvious question,” Colbert asked, “is, you’re running for re-election tomorrow. Why are you here?”

“First, I heard a rumor you have a pretty big audience,” Klobuchar said, “if you want remind everyone in the country to vote.”

Source: https://www.minnpost.com/national/2018/11/amy-klobuchar-is-the-only-one-not-talking-about-amy-klobuchar-running-for-president-in-2020/ (https://www.minnpost.com/national/2018/11/amy-klobuchar-is-the-only-one-not-talking-about-amy-klobuchar-running-for-president-in-2020/)

She's also been garnering some national attention for going toe-to-toe with Facebook over possible campaign finance violations: https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2018/11/15/18096868/facebook-report-klobuchar-senate-congress-definers-campaign-finance (https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2018/11/15/18096868/facebook-report-klobuchar-senate-congress-definers-campaign-finance)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Kentuckian on November 15, 2018, 08:21:42 PM
https://www.facebook.com/events/280740519219278/

Ojeda is launching his campaign Monday night in Louisville, KY.

Seems like a strange place to launch it.

Basically he's putting together his base, and his top target is Appalachia.

Louisville isn't Appalachia or anywhere near it. Even Lexington or Cincinnati are closer.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ○∙◄☻Ątπ[╪AV┼cVę└ on November 16, 2018, 01:03:52 AM
Prospective 2020 Democratic candidates are participating in “friend-raisers”….”a small, informal gathering donors host for would-be candidates”, presumably with the intention of sounding out donors in preparation for a national run:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/416814-democrats-huddle-for-2020-friend-raisers

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Attendees don’t typically write checks at a friend-raiser, as they would for traditional fundraisers.

But they trade ideas, business cards and promises to stay in touch, if and when a presidential campaign is launched.

Who has done it so far?:

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Former Vice President Joe Biden, Sen. Kamala Harris (Calif.), Sen. Cory Booker (N.J.), Montana Gov. Steve Bullock, Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti and Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper are among the Democratic politicians who have met with donors at the gatherings, according to multiple sources.
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The friend-raiser is typically a lunch or a breakfast, with no more than 30 people invited. It is typically hosted by someone close to or at least friendly with a would-be candidate and includes as participants people capable of pulling together tens of millions of dollars.

A Democratic strategist dubbed it a “kicking the tires exercise.”

In other news, Merkley talks 2020 here:

https://kobi5.com/news/local-news/2020-senator-or-president-merkley-may-have-to-choose-89846/

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“Well I’m still exploring the question of whether to get into the presidential primaries, and I just haven’t made a decision on it yet,” he said.

Sen. Merkley said he’ll continue to explore the potential run over the holidays and make a decision early next year.

He also said it’s up to the Oregon legislature if they want to follow NJ’s lead and pass a new law to let him run for reelection while he runs for president, but mused that Oregon’s late primary may make that unnecessary, since he could run for president and if he doesn’t finish in the top tier in the early primaries, he’d still have time to drop out and run for reelection instead.  (Of course, Booker could do that too, but that didn’t stop the legislature from acting.)


That's pretty much a list of big money establishment hack candidates there. No mention of Terry Mcauliffe, though. That would be right up his alley.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 16, 2018, 01:20:58 AM
O’Rourke has a new post in Medium that might be some kind of cryptic messaging about being inspired to run by Abraham Lincoln:

https://medium.com/@BetoORourke/i-woke-up-after-a-good-nights-sleep-9999308c103e

Bob Casey not ruling out a presidential run:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/15/casey-2020-run-993954

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After defeating a GOP reelection challenger by more than 12 percentage points last week in a state that President Donald Trump won in 2016, Casey raised eyebrows by telling NBC News Thursday that "we'll see" about a presidential bid.

But asked later by POLITICO, Casey clarified that he isn't actively looking at the White House race.

"Obviously, when you have a huge, consequential year like 2020 coming up, there's a lot to consider in terms of a range of candidates and possibilities," Casey said. "So I want to be open to all possibilities."

While in NH, Kasich says all options are on the table, whether as a Republican or an Independent:

https://www.wmur.com/article/all-options-are-on-the-table-john-kasich-wont-rule-out-2020-presidential-run/25132705

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Kasich hasn't ruled out running against President Donald Trump in 2020, telling WMUR that "all options are on the table." He has hinted that he might decide to run as a conservative independent.

"If I determine that I can (run for president) and it would heal, then I'm likely to do it. If I look at it and think, 'Well, the cards aren't in it,' then I won't," Kasich said.

But he said he's not interested in jumping into a race that won't yield a positive outcome.

“I don't want to come here and waste people's time, burn the energy of people who support me because that diminishes what I think is a voice that's more powerful,” Kasich said.

Inslee still pondering:

https://www.king5.com/article/news/politics/governor-jay-inslee-still-mulling-2020-presidential-run/281-615060105

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Governor Jay Inslee’s still considering a possible presidential run in 2020.

“In the next couple months we’ll be listening to people and giving some thought to that,” Inslee said Thursday.

Avenatti says he’s still thinking about running for president, despite his arrest:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/15/michael-avenatti-still-considering-run-president-after-domestic-violence-arrest/2019880002/

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Attorney Michael Avenatti says despite his run-in with the law Wednesday evening over an alleged domestic violence incident, he is still debating a bid for the White House. 

"I'm still considering it," Avenatti told USA TODAY in a text message. 

For months, Avenatti has been flirting with a 2020 presidential bid and in recent weeks has started building out a possible campaign and strategy if he does run. He did not answer questions about the incident but said his "first priority right now is clearing my name."

"I will not be intimidated," Avenatti said in a text message. "The measure of a person is how they get up when they are knocked down."
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"I have never struck a woman. I will never strike a woman," Avenatti told reporters, adding that he is and would continue to be an "advocate" for women's rights.

Tom Steyer is meeting with George Soros and other big $ Democratic donors in DC to discuss the post-midterms landscape.  Terry McAuliffe is also making a cameo appearance there:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democracy-alliance-2020_us_5beda3c8e4b0dbb7ea688290


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Grassroots on November 16, 2018, 07:51:31 AM
Avenatti says he’s still thinking about running for president, despite his arrest:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/15/michael-avenatti-still-considering-run-president-after-domestic-violence-arrest/2019880002/

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Attorney Michael Avenatti says despite his run-in with the law Wednesday evening over an alleged domestic violence incident, he is still debating a bid for the White House. 

"I'm still considering it," Avenatti told USA TODAY in a text message. 

For months, Avenatti has been flirting with a 2020 presidential bid and in recent weeks has started building out a possible campaign and strategy if he does run. He did not answer questions about the incident but said his "first priority right now is clearing my name."

"I will not be intimidated," Avenatti said in a text message. "The measure of a person is how they get up when they are knocked down."
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"I have never struck a woman. I will never strike a woman," Avenatti told reporters, adding that he is and would continue to be an "advocate" for women's rights.

Oh my god he is SUCH A TOOL.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on November 16, 2018, 08:34:12 AM
THE FIGHT PAC LIVES ON

SHE WILL NOT DIVIDE US


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 16, 2018, 04:56:53 PM
Here's your Beto O'Rourke 2020 news for today:

TMZ ran into O'Rourke in DC earlier today, and he wouldn't rule out a presidential run:

http://www.tmz.com/2018/11/16/beto-orourke-presidential-run-2020-challenge-trump/

Here's my transcript of that exchange from the video:

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Q: Have you given any thought to that? [a run for president]

O’Rourke: No, I just can’t.  It’s been a little more than a week since we lost this election, and ran this race, and I’m still trying to figure out just where I am, and where my family is, and so, we haven’t really been able to talk—

Q: So it sounds like you might be open to it, possibly?

O’Rourke: I haven’t made any decisions about anything, is probably the best way for me to put it.  Everything’s still too fresh for me.

Castro says his decision on whether to run for president won't be influenced by O'Rourke:

https://www.citynews1130.com/2018/11/16/julian-castro-says-betos-future-no-factor-in-2020-decision/

Harris's team has poached O'Rourke's digital consultant:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/16/politics/shelby-cole-beto-orourke-kamala-harris-2020/index.html

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The force behind Texas Democrat Beto O'Rourke's record-breaking online fundraising efforts is moving into Sen. Kamala Harris' orbit ahead of her potential 2020 presidential run.

Democratic digital consultant Shelby Cole is joining Authentic Campaigns, the firm founded and led by Mike Nellis, who is Harris' longtime top digital consultant. The move positions Cole to play a major role if the California Democrat runs for president.

Nellis confirmed Cole's hire.

"Shelby did tremendous work for Beto O'Rourke and was a big part of the reason that he raised so much money and engaged with so many people in Texas and across the country," he said. "She's an amazing digital strategist and I'm really excited to be working with her again."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Chinggis on November 16, 2018, 04:59:57 PM
Harris's team has poached O'Rourke's digital consultant

Boo. If anything will guarantee a Trump reelection, it's a Kamala Harris candidacy.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Grassroots on November 16, 2018, 05:33:37 PM
Ojeda was JUST on MSNBC in an interview with Chuck Todd.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Comrade Funk on November 16, 2018, 05:56:43 PM
Harris's team has poached O'Rourke's digital consultant

Boo. If anything will guarantee a Trump reelection, it's a Kamala Harris candidacy.
Um why. She's not nearly as toxic as say Warren.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on November 16, 2018, 07:18:37 PM
Harris's team has poached O'Rourke's digital consultant

Boo. If anything will guarantee a Trump reelection, it's a Kamala Harris candidacy.
Um why. She's not nearly as toxic as say Warren.

I'm starting to think about the nuisances candidates have won't matter. Look at Sinema, with all her baggage she managed to pull off a win riding on anti-Trump coattails.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on November 16, 2018, 08:02:03 PM
Avenatti says he’s still thinking about running for president, despite his arrest:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/15/michael-avenatti-still-considering-run-president-after-domestic-violence-arrest/2019880002/

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Attorney Michael Avenatti says despite his run-in with the law Wednesday evening over an alleged domestic violence incident, he is still debating a bid for the White House. 

"I'm still considering it," Avenatti told USA TODAY in a text message. 

For months, Avenatti has been flirting with a 2020 presidential bid and in recent weeks has started building out a possible campaign and strategy if he does run. He did not answer questions about the incident but said his "first priority right now is clearing my name."

"I will not be intimidated," Avenatti said in a text message. "The measure of a person is how they get up when they are knocked down."
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"I have never struck a woman. I will never strike a woman," Avenatti told reporters, adding that he is and would continue to be an "advocate" for women's rights.

Oh my god he is SUCH A TOOL.

I want to partially blame Trump for this arrogance. Him getting away with similar behavior for so long has opened the floodgates to other sleazy would-be candidates like this.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: CookieDamage on November 17, 2018, 01:05:04 AM


Harris's team has poached O'Rourke's digital consultant:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/16/politics/shelby-cole-beto-orourke-kamala-harris-2020/index.html

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The force behind Texas Democrat Beto O'Rourke's record-breaking online fundraising efforts is moving into Sen. Kamala Harris' orbit ahead of her potential 2020 presidential run.

Democratic digital consultant Shelby Cole is joining Authentic Campaigns, the firm founded and led by Mike Nellis, who is Harris' longtime top digital consultant. The move positions Cole to play a major role if the California Democrat runs for president.

Nellis confirmed Cole's hire.

"Shelby did tremendous work for Beto O'Rourke and was a big part of the reason that he raised so much money and engaged with so many people in Texas and across the country," he said. "She's an amazing digital strategist and I'm really excited to be working with her again."


Hmm. Interesting. If Beto is indeed planning a run, wouldn't he have tried to retain most of his crew? Obviously they must be a great crew since he generates so much online hype and buzz and almost won Texas, so it seems he let her slip through the cracks. I mean, he could be sending emails and having meetings asking his staff to stay on board for a Pres campaign and she just said "I'll work for Kamala instead"


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on November 17, 2018, 01:26:20 PM
High chance Gabbard runs

https://www.tribuneindia.com/mobi/news/world/tulsi-gabbard-planning-to-run-for-us-presidency-in-2020-sources/681953.html

Ironic that Bernie's two highest profile Congressional endorsements (Merkley and Gabbard) are probably going to run against him.

"Ironic" or just a reflection of the not-so-unreasonable expectation that they might be more up to running a presidential campaign than someone who was born before sizable portions of the coterminous 48 had electricity?

Man thanks for being the 843rd person to remind me today that MUH BERNIE OLD.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 17, 2018, 04:04:04 PM
Biden has adopted a German Shepherd named Major:

https://katu.com/news/nation-world/former-vice-president-joe-biden-adopts-new-dog

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Not sure if that means he's more or less likely to run for president than he was before we had this news.  :P


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: tosk on November 17, 2018, 04:05:59 PM
Biden has adopted a German Shepherd named Major:

https://katu.com/news/nation-world/former-vice-president-joe-biden-adopts-new-dog

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Not sure if that means he's more or less likely to run for president than he was before we had this news.  :P


Vice President Major has a nice ring to it...


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on November 17, 2018, 05:21:05 PM
Biden has adopted a German Shepherd named Major:

https://katu.com/news/nation-world/former-vice-president-joe-biden-adopts-new-dog

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Not sure if that means he's more or less likely to run for president than he was before we had this news.  :P


I dig the popped collar. Biden's, not the dog's.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Kentuckian on November 17, 2018, 05:58:43 PM
Has anyone else started getting Sherrod Brown ads on places like Facebook? Warren and Harris started paying for online ads outside of their states a while back, but I got a Sherrod Brown ad today.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 18, 2018, 12:14:05 AM
Some info on how Brown got to “maybe”:

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/417213-dems-wonder-if-sherrod-brown-could-be-their-magic-man

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Those who know Brown well say he was never interested in a White House bid.

One source, however, said the senator was “slightly disappointed” he wasn’t selected by Hillary Clinton as her running mate in 2016.

“He thought he could have added something to the ticket,” the source said. “I think he was right.” 
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More recently, particularly after the controversies surrounding the Trump presidency, Brown began to give a White House run more thought, associates say. 

“His focus was always on winning re-election but he was definitely giving it a lot of thought at the same time and why not?” said one Democrat who discussed the topic with the senator. “I think he saw how Trump won and that’s his constituency. He gets them and they get him.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NevadanAtHeart on November 18, 2018, 12:14:45 AM
Has anyone else started getting Sherrod Brown ads on places like Facebook? Warren and Harris started paying for online ads outside of their states a while back, but I got a Sherrod Brown ad today.

I haven't, and I'm subscribed to both his personal and official FB pages.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 18, 2018, 01:22:50 AM
Swalwell was on Real Time last night.  His possible presidential candidacy was mentioned, but he gave no new details about a decision timeline, or anything like that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTn8TX2iamU


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Warren 4 Secretary of Everything on November 18, 2018, 10:04:41 AM
Swalwell was on Real Time last night.  His possible presidential candidacy was mentioned, but he gave no new details about a decision timeline, or anything like that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTn8TX2iamU


What he did reveal was he there was nothing special about him whatsoever. He would give Delaney a run for his money as THE MOST generic white guy running.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: lfromnj on November 18, 2018, 01:54:31 PM
Swalwell was on Real Time last night.  His possible presidential candidacy was mentioned, but he gave no new details about a decision timeline, or anything like that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTn8TX2iamU


What he did reveal was he there was nothing special about him whatsoever. He would give Delaney a run for his money as THE MOST generic white guy running.
I mean Delaneys life story is pretty impressive and I like that about him.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Jon Tester on November 18, 2018, 06:42:42 PM
Can someone explain to me why Deval Patrick and the Castro Brothers are getting so much support?  They seem super generic and uninspiring, even compared to governors like Bullock or Inslee.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on November 18, 2018, 07:15:46 PM
Can someone explain to me why Deval Patrick and the Castro Brothers are getting so much support?  They seem super generic and uninspiring, even compared to governors like Bullock or Inslee.

Their campaigns will be funded by the Obamas and the DNC establishment, so a lot of support will be purchased for them.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 18, 2018, 08:07:27 PM
Brown says he has no timetable for a decision:

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/417322-sherrod-brown-says-he-has-no-real-timetable-for-deciding-on-2020

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The senator, who has said he's mulling a bid, told NBC's Chuck Todd that he needs to discuss the matter with his family before coming to a decision.

Kasich’s interviewed in NH, and also says he has no timeline for a decision:

https://www.wmur.com/article/closeup-kasich-has-no-timeline-on-when-he-may-make-decision-on-2020-presidential-run/25216214

Flake says someone should run in the primary against Trump, but it probably won’t be him:

http://en.brinkwire.com/news/sen-jeff-flake-douses-speculation-hell-run-for-president-in-2020/

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“I’ve said all along that somebody needs to run on the Republican side, if nothing else to remind Republicans what it means to be conservative, what being a conservative really means, and what it means to be decent as well,” Flake said.

“I think the future of the party is with people with an optimistic vision moving ahead. I don’t think that will be me. I think there are better candidates out there.”

Bloomberg is donating $1.8 billion to Johns Hopkins University “to provide financial aid to low-and middle-income families”:

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-news-bloomberg-donates-johns-hopkins-20181118-story.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on November 19, 2018, 12:03:05 PM
Politico with a big hype article on Beto 2020 -

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/19/beto-orourke-2020-democratic-primary-995353?fbclid=IwAR29G5pNlET1VPqwA_iD_7sHhmUE-FwD_6NGicP6JYisRZLQMTeFgrv6rOw

Jim Carrey seems to have an early endorsement of both Kamala Harris and Beto -

https://deadline.com/2018/11/jim-carrey-would-love-to-see-kamala-harris-beto-orourke-win-the-presidential-race-1202504496/?fbclid=IwAR3YyI_Sr3v49haTNBDh7patA0VIyX6FL9v07XzN2Fcm5dG7kkgYSq4M4sA



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: UWS on November 19, 2018, 12:39:57 PM
Biden has adopted a German Shepherd named Major:

https://katu.com/news/nation-world/former-vice-president-joe-biden-adopts-new-dog

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Not sure if that means he's more or less likely to run for president than he was before we had this news.  :P


It could be his presidential pet, so I think it could actually be a sign of preparation to a 2020 presidential bid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_pets


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 19, 2018, 03:16:30 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Would-be-Rep. on November 19, 2018, 06:55:48 PM
Jackie Speier, congresswoman from CA-14,

Any idea? She fits in many aspects.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: WV222 on November 19, 2018, 10:04:33 PM
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/19/tom-steyer-2020-presidential-bid-1005612

Tom Steyer is going to make some major steps tomorrow. A six-figure ad buy featuring all major social networks minus Snapchat, and revamped website, full-page ads in USA Today and in some Gannett newspapers, and the announcement of five town halls, starting with Charleston, SC on December 4th.  There are five rights in the proposed platform: a right to an equal vote, a right to clean air and water, a right to learn from pre-K to college, a right to a living wage, and a right to health care.

Basically, is Tom Steyer running a quasi-campaign till the end of the year? He thinks it is too early to announce, so is basically going to run without officially running?

https://www.wvnstv.com/west-virginia-news/richard-ojeda-kicks-off-2020-presidential-campaign/1607934700

Plus, State Sen. Ojeda has launched his campaign in Louisville tonight. He basically restated that the problems in West Virginia are problems from all over the country. The end of the article states that Ojeda will head to New York for more rallies before going home for Thanksgiving.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: History505 on November 19, 2018, 11:30:48 PM
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/19/tom-steyer-2020-presidential-bid-1005612

Tom Steyer is going to make some major steps tomorrow. A six-figure ad buy featuring all major social networks minus Snapchat, and revamped website, full-page ads in USA Today and in some Gannett newspapers, and the announcement of five town halls, starting with Charleston, SC on December 4th.  There are five rights in the proposed platform: a right to an equal vote, a right to clean air and water, a right to learn from pre-K to college, a right to a living wage, and a right to health care.

Basically, is Tom Steyer running a quasi-campaign till the end of the year? He thinks it is too early to announce, so is basically going to run without officially running?

https://www.wvnstv.com/west-virginia-news/richard-ojeda-kicks-off-2020-presidential-campaign/1607934700

Plus, State Sen. Ojeda has launched his campaign in Louisville tonight. He basically restated that the problems in West Virginia are problems from all over the country. The end of the article states that Ojeda will head to New York for more rallies before going home for Thanksgiving.
Tom Steyer is going to get nowhere.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: MycroftCZ on November 19, 2018, 11:38:06 PM
I'm becoming increasingly convinced that Marianne Williamson is going to be 2020's Carly Fiorina. A successful businesswoman and compelling speaker who will surge after a few good debate performances and then plummet back down due to a small, under-funded campaign that can't withstand the debate bump.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Harlow on November 20, 2018, 12:20:21 AM
I'm becoming increasingly convinces that Marianne Williamson is going to be 2020's Carly Fiorina. A successful businesswoman and compelling speaker who will surge after a few good debate performances and then plummet back down due to a small, under-funded campaign that can't withstand the debate bump.

I highly doubt she'll make any of the main debates.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 20, 2018, 01:00:36 AM
The Associated Press has a new story about how several of the likely 2020 Dems are already trying to recruit staff in Iowa.  Booker is mentioned as being the most aggressive so far, but Harris and Patrick are also mentioned….as are Cuomo and Michael Bennet(!):

http://www.startribune.com/2020-democratic-contenders-already-eyeing-top-staff-in-iowa/500891781/

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Colorado Sen. Michael Bennett, a relatively new name to the 2020 discussion, has been in contact with some influential Iowa Democrats, while New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, who won re-election to a third term this month, has contacted Des Moines-area Democrats.

Sanders on 2020:

https://freebeacon.com/politics/sanders-im-seriously-considering-a-2020-presidential-run/

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MSNBC's "Politics Nation" host Al Shaprton asked the 77-year-old senator if he was going to run again after losing out on the Democratic nomination in 2016.

"Twenty-twenty, everyone is talking about this candidate or that candidate. A central question is, will Bernie Sanders run again?" Sharpton asked.

"And the answer is, Al, I will make that decision at the appropriate time. I will be honest with you, you're a friend, you know, we're looking at it. But it is … a decision that impacts your family. And I want to make sure that when I make that decision, if I decide to run, that I have concluded, in fact, that I am the strongest candidate who can defeat Donald Trump," Sanders said. "And I've got to make that decision based on my background, based on my past, based on my ideas that, in fact, I am the candidate that can defeat Trump."

"You're not ruling it out; you're saying you're seriously considering it?" Sharpton asked.

"That is correct," Sanders answered.

Brown talks about his decision:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/henrygomez/sherrod-brown-president-2020-worker-message

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“I don’t really want to judge other candidates, what they’re doing, what they’re saying,” Brown told BuzzFeed News after a Monday rally with organized laborers and auto workers from a General Motors factory outside Youngstown, Ohio. “But I’m concerned. ... I think the most important political decision in my lifetime will be replacing Donald Trump in 2020.”

Brown made the comment while discussing factors that will guide his thinking as he and his wife, journalist Connie Schultz, weigh a White House bid. After outlining the personal considerations of how a campaign would change the lives of their children and grandchildren, Brown referred to his Senate reelection victory speech this month — a victory he pointedly offered as a “blueprint” for 2020.

“Is there somebody else that can carry this message?” Brown would ask himself, he said, as he decides whether to run. “My election night speech was really about the message, whether I run or not, that I’m hopeful that ... honoring and respecting the dignity of work will become part of the narrative in other races. If that’s done and done well, I would be less likely to run.”

He then declined to “judge” or say if any other Democrat was capable of running well with that message.
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Brown said Monday that he has no deadline for deciding about 2020. He acknowledged that he might soon visit the states that hold the first nominating contests, but has no plans yet.

“If I travel to Iowa or New Hampshire,” he said, “that would be a first step, but not necessarily a final step [that means] I’m doing it.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on November 20, 2018, 09:44:42 PM
I'm becoming increasingly convinced that Marianne Williamson is going to be 2020's Carly Fiorina. A successful businesswoman and compelling speaker who will surge after a few good debate performances and then plummet back down due to a small, under-funded campaign that can't withstand the debate bump.

Williamson is a lot less rich than Fiorina...but there's a chance this could be true.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on November 20, 2018, 11:42:35 PM
I'm becoming increasingly convinced that Marianne Williamson is going to be 2020's Carly Fiorina. A successful businesswoman and compelling speaker who will surge after a few good debate performances and then plummet back down due to a small, under-funded campaign that can't withstand the debate bump.

Williamson is a lot less rich than Fiorina...but there's a chance this could be true.

I think that's more likely to be Tulsi Gabbard than anyone else but she may end up making the main debate stage anyways.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 20, 2018, 11:49:05 PM
Cuomo tells the NY Post that the AP story about him recruiting staff in Iowa isn’t true….that it’s a conspiracy.  Though one “longtime Cuomo supporter” doesn’t buy his denial:

https://nypost.com/2018/11/20/cuomo-insists-hes-not-eyeing-presidential-run-in-2020-despite-report/

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“I don’t know where that story comes from. There is no truth to it. It’s a conspiracy theory. I’m going to stick with ‘It’s a dark conspiracy theory,’ someone trying to undermine. But there is no truth to it,” he told The Post while handing out turkeys at the Bay Eden Senior Center in the Bronx.

But one longtime Cuomo supporter said the governor was so disgusted with President Trump that he would jump at the chance to run against him.

“Do I think the governor is interested in running for president? I think he is. He thinks Trump is so bad,” the backer said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 21, 2018, 12:52:20 AM
Deval Patrick asked about 2020:

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/Former-Gov-Deval-Patrick-Addresses-2020-in-1-on-1-500979872.html

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NBC10 Boston traveled to Cleveland to see Patrick in action and to ask him where he is on his 2020 decision.

"I'm not there yet. I'm not there yet," Patrick said. "Thank you for asking."

And will Patrick make his decision by the end of the year, as he has said?

"You know what, I'm going to make a decision in good time," he replied.

Patrick says he loves his current job at Bain Capital and that taking the presidential leap is a family decision that can drag down a lot of loved ones along the way. He is referring, in large part, to his wife, Diane, an attorney who spent the bulk of her career, until recently, as a partner at the law firm Ropes and Gray.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Jon Tester on November 21, 2018, 12:56:59 AM
Deval Patrick would easily lose the general election.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: AudmanOut on November 21, 2018, 01:03:33 AM
Go warren!!!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 21, 2018, 10:17:22 AM
Two people who've floated the idea of running for president have new books out now, and are on book tours: Ben Sasse and John Kerry.  Sasse was on Colbert last night, w/ video in two parts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKKJUHd_XlM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1zGtGUtC38

And Kerry was on Seth Meyers last night, with video also in two parts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbNBpulK0t4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VelTWqXiR6I

At the end of the interview, Kerry is asked if he's going to run for president again, and he says "No matter how you ask this question, I’m going to find a way to duck it."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 21, 2018, 11:11:02 AM
New PAC supporting Buttigieg for president:

https://www.indianapolismonthly.com/news-opinion/importantville-buttigieg-pac-youngs-2020-map-and-pence-in-asia/

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Mark Meier—the D.C.-based communications professional and the man behind the @MayorPete4Prez Twitter handle boosting a Pete Buttigieg presidential run—has filed papers to create PETE PAC (Progressives for Equality, Truth and Ethics PAC). Meier, who is not a member of Buttigieg’s inner circle, describes his group as “Americans seeking to encourage Mayor Pete to pursue higher office and lead our country through the challenges of the 21st century, reclaiming our leadership role by emphasizing the values that bind us together, rejecting the politics of divide and conquer.”

Meier began soliciting donations last Thursday.

Buttigieg is expected to announce whether he's running for reelection as mayor some time after Thanksgiving.  If he's not, then that means he's likely going to run for president:

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Buttigieg already has his own PAC—Hitting Home—that backed candidates across the country in November. At present, his committee has about $71,401 cash on hand, per FEC filings. Watch for Buttigieg to make an announcement on whether he’ll pursue re-election as South Bend’s mayor after Thanksgiving. That announcement could be a tea leaf for a presidential campaign. While he could ostensibly pursue both re-election and a 2020 bid, I’m told by people close to Buttigieg that’s an unlikely gambit.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on November 21, 2018, 12:56:31 PM
If it shows how unpopular she is, Gillibrand was on the Daily Show with Trevor Noah, and nobody posted about it, lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuOQ_8D928Q


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: WV222 on November 21, 2018, 01:15:32 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/21/cory-booker-talks-with-obama-clinton-strategists-in-iowa-as-he-mulls-2020-run.html

More Cory Booker news regarding the hunt for strategists in Iowa.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on November 21, 2018, 08:15:44 PM
Michael Avenatti will not be charged with a felony in his domestic abuse case.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/21/michael-avenatti-wont-charged-felony-domestic-abuse-case/2082328002/

THE FIGHT PAC LIVES ON!

BASTA!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Karpatsky on November 21, 2018, 08:36:41 PM
Sherrod has put a 2020 thoughts site up on his landing page:
https://www.sherrodbrown.com/landing/w181121/



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 22, 2018, 12:23:49 AM
If it shows how unpopular she is, Gillibrand was on the Daily Show with Trevor Noah, and nobody posted about it, lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuOQ_8D928Q

I feel like that's more of a comment about the popularity of The Daily Show.  :P

In other news....

The latest on O’Rourke 2020:

http://www.texasstandard.org/stories/how-likely-is-a-beto-orourke-2020-presidential-bid/

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Johnathan Tilove reports for the Austin American-Statesman and says O’Rourke hasn’t yet given any indication that he’s planning to run for president in 2020. However, there are rumors that O’Rourke is not planning to run again for Senate, so Tilove says it makes the most sense that if he were to stay in politics, he would most likely do so through a bid for the presidency. He says there may have been some hints about his future plans in some of his recent social media posts.

“Every message he’s posted since has been invested with meaning, even if it’s just about taking a run in the snow in D.C. and happening by the Lincoln Memorial – and Lincoln being a member of the House who ran and lost for the Senate in two years, ran and was elected president,” Tilove says. It may be over-reading but … I think that part of what would tug him to run for president is to maintain this thing he has.”

That “thing” is his relationship with his supporters, which Tilove says could whither if O’Rourke doesn’t run again for something soon.

A Garcetti ally tries to lay the groundwork for a presidential run, though notionally with no input from Garcetti himself:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/eric-garcetti-2020-presidential-run-759297/

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On Monday evening, a long-time friend and political ally of Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti sent an email to 150 potential supporters and donors announcing a new campaign to convince Garcetti, a Democrat, to enter the 2020 presidential race.

“Similar to Barack Obama in 2007 Eric has all the credentials and has demonstrated that he has the bandwidth to lead,” writes Nathalie Rayes, a former aide to ex-L.A. Mayor Jim Hahn who now works for the Mexican conglomerate Grupo Salinas. “But like Barack back then Eric Garcetti isn’t a household name. That’s where this project comes into play.”

The “ready for Garcetti” email blast is one of the first steps toward potentially launching a 2020 campaign and positioning Garcetti within what will be a crowded field of Democratic candidates, which, as of this writing, includes “likelys” such as West Virginia Democrat Richard Ojeda, billionaire liberal activist Tom Steyer and former HUD secretary Julián Castro.

Rayes tells Rolling Stone that her “ready for Garcetti” effort is independent from Garcetti himself. “I hope he runs,” she says. “I think that the country is ready for him, and he’s ready for it.” 

The best part though is this accompanying song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ljGRSKda8k

More trial balloon floating from Casey:

https://www.dailyitem.com/news/casey-considering-possible-presidential-bid/article_fba0bde6-edc8-11e8-aeeb-a3c3d87e60c3.html

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Sen. Bob Casey is considering a run for the presidency in 2020, he said in a statement to The Daily Item on Wednesday.

“I am not ruling anything out, but my top priority is currently my third term in the United States Senate and working for the people of Pennsylvania,” Casey said.

When asked several times in recent weeks if he would consider a 2020 run, including once in Pittsburgh last week, Casey did not rule out a challenge for the Democratic nomination.

“I do think Pennsylvania is a crucial state for the next President to win,” he said, “and Democrats should nominate someone who can win our Commonwealth without a doubt. I’ve won the state by an average of 13 points over three Senate elections. So we’ll see.”

Bennet:

https://coloradosun.com/2018/11/20/michael-bennet-2020-iowa-rumors/

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The Colorado Sun asked Bennet about his political travels across the country in October after hearing increasing suggestions that he is interested in a 2020 bid, but the senator brushed aside the question.

Bennet said he hadn’t traveled to Iowa, but did make stops supporting Democratic candidates for U.S. Senate, including Indiana for incumbent Sen. Joe Donnelly. (Donnelly was ousted on Nov. 6.)

NBC News apparently has a new installment called “Off Script”, and this edition looks like a pretty scripted campaign commercial for Castro 2020:

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/julian-castro-dems-looking-toward-a-new-generation-of-leadership-1376236099777?v=railb&


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Would-be-Rep. on November 22, 2018, 01:09:51 AM
I am wondering why there’s any speculation about male candidates; of course the 2020 D candidate has to be a woman. Period.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: America Needs R'hllor on November 22, 2018, 01:29:35 AM
More trial balloon floating from Casey:

Bennet:

I love how crazy this is getting


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Askew on November 22, 2018, 01:33:14 AM
These boring white male Senators have zero chance. They will lose as badly as Dodd did in 2008.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on November 22, 2018, 02:00:25 AM
These boring white male Senators have zero chance. They will lose as badly as Dodd did in 2008.

I really wonder what's going through their head to make them think they'd have any shot. Honestly it's not hard to read the trends of what base of the Dem party wants. It's female and non-white, its pretty obvious too but so many are intent on wasting their time and money.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Askew on November 22, 2018, 02:04:35 AM
I think a lot of the media and Dem politicians learned the wrong lesson from 2016 and think that a white man will have it easier than another woman. Hillary didn't lose because she is a woman but because she generated little excitement in the base, was toxic to independents and ran one of the most arrogant and lazy campaigns I've ever seen from a Dem presidential candidate. Another woman won't have those issues.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: WV222 on November 22, 2018, 08:53:25 AM
These boring white male Senators have zero chance. They will lose as badly as Dodd did in 2008.

I really wonder what's going through their head to make them think they'd have any shot. Honestly it's not hard to read the trends of what base of the Dem party wants. It's female and non-white, its pretty obvious too but so many are intent on wasting their time and money.

They probably think they a chance because the media is putting out stories that the Democrats cannot win an election if they nominate another woman or even minority in some stories. Also, the media will send somebody to cover them, look at Ojeda. Ojeda entered straight after the midterms and has gotten media attention for almost 2 weeks. The media will cover them, like how at some point they will start covering Delaney, Yang, and if she runs Williamson.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on November 22, 2018, 11:06:30 AM
Sherrod has put a 2020 thoughts site up on his landing page:
https://www.sherrodbrown.com/landing/w181121/



If anybody needed anymore confirmation that Sherrod Brown really is a straight forward and honest guy, here ya go.

In the end I figure he won't go for it, but he's not gonna play the stereotypical politician and deny he's thinking about it.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on November 22, 2018, 11:41:00 AM
I think a lot of the media and Dem politicians learned the wrong lesson from 2016 and think that a white man will have it easier than another woman. Hillary didn't lose because she is a woman but because she generated little excitement in the base, was toxic to independents and ran one of the most arrogant and lazy campaigns I've ever seen from a Dem presidential candidate. Another woman won't have those issues.

This is so true.

That’s not to say a white man couldn’t be the nominee though. It just seems that a lot of the talk that Democrats HAVE to nominate a white man is BS. You really only have to look at 2018 to see that women can easily win in these Midwest swing states.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: JG on November 22, 2018, 01:17:12 PM
Sherrod has put a 2020 thoughts site up on his landing page:
https://www.sherrodbrown.com/landing/w181121/



If anybody needed anymore confirmation that Sherrod Brown really is a straight forward and honest guy, here ya go.

In the end I figure he won't go for it, but he's not gonna play the stereotypical politician and deny he's thinking about it.

I mean, now that the midterms are behind us, aren't they all pretty honest about how they are thinking about it? Harris, Gillibrand, Booker, Warren and co all admitted that they are thinking about a presidential run.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️ on November 22, 2018, 02:44:55 PM
Sherrod has put a 2020 thoughts site up on his landing page:
https://www.sherrodbrown.com/landing/w181121/



If anybody needed anymore confirmation that Sherrod Brown really is a straight forward and honest guy, here ya go.

In the end I figure he won't go for it, but he's not gonna play the stereotypical politician and deny he's thinking about it.

I mean, now that the midterms are behind us, aren't they all pretty honest about how they are thinking about it? Harris, Gillibrand, Booker, Warren and co all admitted that they are thinking about a presidential run.

But Sherrod Brown is Populist <3, which means he is inherently more honest.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on November 22, 2018, 03:10:15 PM
Sherrod has put a 2020 thoughts site up on his landing page:
https://www.sherrodbrown.com/landing/w181121/



If anybody needed anymore confirmation that Sherrod Brown really is a straight forward and honest guy, here ya go.

In the end I figure he won't go for it, but he's not gonna play the stereotypical politician and deny he's thinking about it.

I mean, now that the midterms are behind us, aren't they all pretty honest about how they are thinking about it? Harris, Gillibrand, Booker, Warren and co all admitted that they are thinking about a presidential run.

But Sherrod Brown is Populist <3, which means he is inherently more honest.

This but un-unironically.

I don't think Warren/Gillibrand/Booker have been as open as Brown has though, despite him clearly having less of an interest. Last I checked wasn't Warren was a "it's too early to talk about it!"?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on November 22, 2018, 06:11:18 PM
Sherrod has put a 2020 thoughts site up on his landing page:
https://www.sherrodbrown.com/landing/w181121/



If anybody needed anymore confirmation that Sherrod Brown really is a straight forward and honest guy, here ya go.

In the end I figure he won't go for it, but he's not gonna play the stereotypical politician and deny he's thinking about it.

The Haley Barbour of 2020.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on November 22, 2018, 07:50:43 PM
These boring white male Senators have zero chance. They will lose as badly as Dodd did in 2008.

I really wonder what's going through their head to make them think they'd have any shot. Honestly it's not hard to read the trends of what base of the Dem party wants. It's female and non-white, its pretty obvious too but so many are intent on wasting their time and money.
Beto wouldn’t have that problem.

But yes, some of these old, boring, centrist white men need to sit down. Even if they tow the line on the mainstream issues they are extremely out of touch with the issues that excite and drive people to the polls.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 23, 2018, 01:52:52 AM
Sherrod has put a 2020 thoughts site up on his landing page:
https://www.sherrodbrown.com/landing/w181121/



If anybody needed anymore confirmation that Sherrod Brown really is a straight forward and honest guy, here ya go.

In the end I figure he won't go for it, but he's not gonna play the stereotypical politician and deny he's thinking about it.

I mean, now that the midterms are behind us, aren't they all pretty honest about how they are thinking about it? Harris, Gillibrand, Booker, Warren and co all admitted that they are thinking about a presidential run.

I'm not convinced they're telling the truth now either.  Yes, they say they're "thinking about it", but are all of them really still thinking about it?  Or have some of them already decided to run, but just not announcing it yet, because they figure an announcement in March or April would make more sense?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Storr on November 23, 2018, 02:14:41 AM
Sherrod has put a 2020 thoughts site up on his landing page:
https://www.sherrodbrown.com/landing/w181121/



If anybody needed anymore confirmation that Sherrod Brown really is a straight forward and honest guy, here ya go.

In the end I figure he won't go for it, but he's not gonna play the stereotypical politician and deny he's thinking about it.

I mean, now that the midterms are behind us, aren't they all pretty honest about how they are thinking about it? Harris, Gillibrand, Booker, Warren and co all admitted that they are thinking about a presidential run.

I'm not convinced they're telling the truth now either.  Yes, they say they're "thinking about it", but are all of them really still thinking about it?  Or have some of them already decided to run, but just not announcing it yet, because they figure an announcement in March or April would make more sense?


Elizabeth Warren has known since she decided not to run in 2016. Her decision was to run now or later. She chose later and it's now later. I don't think she'll do all that well beyond New England and maybe the Pacific Northwest, honestly. She didn't run when she was a newish face and enthusiasm for her was strong. Her star seems to have faded in the past several years. She hasn't done much to make herself stand out in the Senate either.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Would-be-Rep. on November 23, 2018, 02:38:52 AM
Let me make it clear, Trump’s 2020 opponent will win if she can fit in a clear contrast with him, esp. visually, that is a female, young, policy-oriented, with government/service experience, eloquent, with a low pitch voice.

Find someone with these features, and stop enlisting dumb old white males.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on November 23, 2018, 04:13:31 AM
Let me make it clear, Trump’s 2020 opponent will win if she can fit in a clear contrast with him, esp. visually, that is a female, young, policy-oriented, with government/service experience, eloquent, with a low pitch voice.

Find someone with these features, and stop enlisting dumb old white males.

Gabbard probably fits those categories she's visually appealing and has a nice soothing voice plus the military background. But she has a huge amount of baggage but so did Trump so who knows.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: America Needs R'hllor on November 23, 2018, 04:48:08 AM
Sherrod has put a 2020 thoughts site up on his landing page:
https://www.sherrodbrown.com/landing/w181121/



If anybody needed anymore confirmation that Sherrod Brown really is a straight forward and honest guy, here ya go.

In the end I figure he won't go for it, but he's not gonna play the stereotypical politician and deny he's thinking about it.

He literally waited until one day after he's reelected. Do you really think the thought of running for President just appeared in his head right then? :P No, he's a politician too, and he was thinking about it long before the midterms but didn't want to hurt his reelection chances (which was smart). This is just him building his brand.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on November 23, 2018, 10:50:49 AM
Sherrod has put a 2020 thoughts site up on his landing page:
https://www.sherrodbrown.com/landing/w181121/



If anybody needed anymore confirmation that Sherrod Brown really is a straight forward and honest guy, here ya go.

In the end I figure he won't go for it, but he's not gonna play the stereotypical politician and deny he's thinking about it.

He literally waited until one day after he's reelected. Do you really think the thought of running for President just appeared in his head right then? :P No, he's a politician too, and he was thinking about it long before the midterms but didn't want to hurt his reelection chances (which was smart). This is just him building his brand.

I'm just saying is that he is being much more open about it right now then other candidates who are obviously way more interested in running then Brown is.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 23, 2018, 06:29:57 PM
A New Hampshire-centric story about all the New Englanders considering a run for the Democratic nomination: Sanders, Warren, Patrick, Moulton, and Kerry:

https://www.mrt.com/news/politics/article/Neighbors-wage-shadow-campaigns-in-New-Hampshire-13404082.php

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Aides to all five prospects, speaking on condition of anonymity to share internal discussions, conceded that presidential runs were possible, if not likely.

Also, “a senior aide” says a Sanders decision is coming very soon, probably before Christmas….though if Sanders goes ahead, he won't actually announce said decision before New Year’s.  Warren also not planning to announce anything within the next few weeks:

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Sanders, 77, is considering a 2020 bid, a senior aide said. He is expected to make a final decision before Christmas, though an announcement is not expected until after New Year's.

Sanders' team has been in regular contact with former staff and its broad base of supporters in New Hampshire and elsewhere, in addition to reaching out to some former Clinton backers. Should he run, the team sees Sanders with the biggest head start in New Hampshire of any candidate.

Warren did not visit New Hampshire ahead of the midterms, but she quietly dispatched staff to help Democrats there while hosting at least one private fundraiser for the New Hampshire Democratic Party in Boston. She made close to 150 calls to top Democratic candidates in recent days, both midterm winners and losers, including several in New Hampshire.

Like other 2020 prospects in the Senate, Warren, 69, is unlikely to make any announcements before Congress passes a new spending bill to avoid a government shutdown in early December. And while she hasn't made any formal staffing moves yet, former chief of staff Dan Geldon and former Massachusetts state director Roger Lau, who is well-versed in New Hampshire, are expected to be part of her presidential team should she run.
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Two former Patrick aides have independently launched the "Reason to Believe" political action committee and begun courting prospective staff in early voting states.

Two-term Massachusetts Rep. Seth Moulton, whose district borders New Hampshire, is also seriously contemplating a run. While he may lack the renown of some of his rivals, the 40-year-old former Marine captain has shown little deference to his political elders, emerging as a leading critic of top House Democrat Nancy Pelosi.

Closing out the list, Kerry has repeatedly refused to rule out a second bid when asked publicly. He is wrapping up a national book tour, but there is no sign he is taking steps to lay the groundwork for a serious run.

And more about the candidates playing in NH here:

https://www.concordmonitor.com/recounts-2020-booker-New-Hampshire-politics-21687164

They mention Booker’s upcoming NH trip, and I guess Steyer is also heading back to the state in January.

Casey has no timetable for making a decision on a run for president:

https://whyy.org/articles/casey-for-president-u-s-senator-from-pa-says-it-could-happen/

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Casey says he has no timetable for making up his mind and doing so could take “some time.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on November 23, 2018, 08:24:47 PM
I think a lot of the media and Dem politicians learned the wrong lesson from 2016 and think that a white man will have it easier than another woman. Hillary didn't lose because she is a woman but because she generated little excitement in the base, was toxic to independents and ran one of the most arrogant and lazy campaigns I've ever seen from a Dem presidential candidate. Another woman won't have those issues.

I agree with your post in regards to how another woman wouldn't necessarily be a repeat of Clinton's loss from 2016. But I disagree that her campaign was lazy or arrogant. It was done in by a perfect storm of factors, ones mostly beyond her control. Lessons should still be learned from it, of course.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: wbrocks67 on November 24, 2018, 08:10:18 AM
I think a lot of the media and Dem politicians learned the wrong lesson from 2016 and think that a white man will have it easier than another woman. Hillary didn't lose because she is a woman but because she generated little excitement in the base, was toxic to independents and ran one of the most arrogant and lazy campaigns I've ever seen from a Dem presidential candidate. Another woman won't have those issues.

I agree with your post in regards to how another woman wouldn't necessarily be a repeat of Clinton's loss from 2016. But I disagree that her campaign was lazy or arrogant. It was done in by a perfect storm of factors, ones mostly beyond her control. Lessons should still be learned from it, of course.

Agreed. There were about 10 different factors of why HRC lost. Some were in her control, some out of it. I *will* say though, I don't think her campaign got lazy or arrogant, per say, but I remember thinking it was really annoying how Trump would do like 3 rallies a day and be everywhere, and she'd only do like 1. The next candidate really needs to be on their grind, Beto-style, non-stop for every single vote, and take nothing for granted anywhere. It's clear, unfortunately, that they took Wisconsin and Michigan for granted.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: wbrocks67 on November 24, 2018, 08:10:47 AM
What is the likelihood of recent reports that Sanders will run again? I just pray to god not.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 24, 2018, 06:01:00 PM
A new early primary state hire this week by Garcetti's PAC:

https://lasentinel.net/after-midterms-democratic-hopefuls-eye-early-voting-states.html

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On Wednesday, an adviser to Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti confirmed to The Associated Press that South Carolina strategist Phil Chambers had been hired by a political action committee aligned with the mayor, Democratic Victory Fund. Chambers served as an adviser on Smith’s gubernatorial campaign, as well as chief of staff to the South Carolina Democratic Party.

That story also says that both Garcetti and Booker "are expected to return to South Carolina in the coming weeks".


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 24, 2018, 07:42:46 PM
New story about Klobuchar:

http://www.startribune.com/fresh-from-big-minnesota-win-amy-klobuchar-swept-up-in-presidential-speculation/501184021/

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Klobuchar has not talked publicly of an interest in running for president and did not grant an interview for this story. A longtime political adviser, Justin Buoen, provided this comment in an e-mail: “Many people have approached Amy about running for president but right now she is still thanking people who helped her lead a major winning ticket in Minnesota. Her support in rural counties and ability to get things done are the reasons most often mentioned to me,” he wrote.

She has apparently talked to Walter Mondale about it though, and he urged her to run:

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When he urged her to run for president, Mondale said, “She just listened. She’s I think trying to make up her mind and I don’t blame her.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Kentuckian on November 25, 2018, 01:58:43 PM
New story about Klobuchar:

http://www.startribune.com/fresh-from-big-minnesota-win-amy-klobuchar-swept-up-in-presidential-speculation/501184021/

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Klobuchar has not talked publicly of an interest in running for president and did not grant an interview for this story. A longtime political adviser, Justin Buoen, provided this comment in an e-mail: “Many people have approached Amy about running for president but right now she is still thanking people who helped her lead a major winning ticket in Minnesota. Her support in rural counties and ability to get things done are the reasons most often mentioned to me,” he wrote.

She has apparently talked to Walter Mondale about it though, and he urged her to run:

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When he urged her to run for president, Mondale said, “She just listened. She’s I think trying to make up her mind and I don’t blame her.”


She's said she's thinking about it on ABC's This Week today (which is no surprise to those of us who have followed her for years):

"Right now, I am just still thinking about this, talking to people. I'm sorry to say I have no announcement for you on your show," she told ABC's George Stephanopoulos during an appearance on ABC's "This Week."

"People are talking to me about this, I think in part because I've worked really hard to go not just where it's comfortable, but where it's uncomfortable and did well in a number of those places where Donald Trump won," she said

"I'm also someone, for those that are exhausted with politics, that likes to get stuff done," she added.

Source: https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/418115-klobuchar-says-she-is-still-considering-2020-run?amp (https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/418115-klobuchar-says-she-is-still-considering-2020-run?amp)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 25, 2018, 02:04:53 PM
Sanders isn’t preparing for 2020 with the same speed as some of the other candidates:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/11/can-bernie-sanders-beat-donald-trump-2020-race/576331/

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Most of the potential 2020 Democratic candidates deciding whether to pull the trigger are deep into staff interviews and debates about the timing of exploratory-committee announcements, but Sanders has turned inward. The number of people he’s actually talking to is tiny. The time they’re spending on what they consider the transactional politics of endorsements and influence is close to nonexistent.
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Sanders knows that a 2020 campaign would be his last shot at running for president—he turned 77 in September. But he also knows that running isn’t the only way he could be a factor. Some around the senator, who was just reelected to a third term, think he could be a presence in the chamber while continuing to be the kind of outside force that helped pressure Amazon to raise wages over the summer.
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In a field this big and fluid, none of the candidates can claim their chances of winning are high, and Sanders has slowly accepted that he’d likely start with a much smaller share of the vote than he ended up with when it was a binary choice between Hillary Clinton and him in 2016. He is high up in the polls, and he might have high name recognition, but he’d be fighting for attention and votes in a field that could range from Elizabeth Warren to Mike Bloomberg, and include everyone in between.

Interestingly, the story also notes that Ro Khanna, who has himself visited NH as recently as last month, is someone who has urged Sanders to run again:

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The goal, Khanna said, is “not simply occupying the presidency, but shaping the policy direction for the nation and the policy direction of the progressive movement and the country … I don’t think you can do that behind the scenes being a kingmaker.”

In other news, like Klobuchar, Brown and Kasich were also on This Week this morning, and were also asked about 2020:

https://www.cantonrep.com/news/20181125/buckeye-flavor-to-2020-presidential-tire-kicking

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“I’m considering it,” said Kasich, who said he is having daily conversations with friends and family. “Look, we need different leadership. There isn’t any question about it.”

Appearing minutes later, Brown expressed similar concern. “If you love your country, you fight for the people who make it work,” he said, saying he has spent his career “devoted to the dignity of work.”
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“I didn’t have this dream of being president of the United States all my life,” Brown told Stephanopoulos. “My dream was to play center field for the Cleveland Indians, that door obviously has closed.” But, he said, he has been “overwhelmed by the number of people from around the country that have said we should think about doing this.”

He hasn’t made trips to Iowa or New Hampshire, he said, but “we’re seriously thinking about it, we’re seriously talking about it.”

Steyer was on Meet the Press, and was asked the same question:

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/418135-steyer-says-hes-undecided-on-running-in-2020

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“Let me stop you and say that I haven’t decided to run for president," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press" when asked what makes him a better nominee than other potential candidates.
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Steyer last week released a list of "5 Rights" that he believes should be "essential protections" for Americans. They include "the right to an equal vote, "the right to clean air and water," "the right to learn," "the right to a living wage" and "the right to health." 

"Meet the Press" host Chuck Todd noted that the "5 Rights" appear to be a presidential campaign platform, but Steyer said Sunday that he would back an alternative candidate if someone has a similar vision to his. 

“This is about the people of the United States, not the person," he said. "If there is a movement to get in place something that we desperately need … I will be part of that movement, absolutely, 100 percent, one way or the other."

Booker also says he’s still thinking about it…or rather that he’ll start thinking about it in earnest over the Christmas season, once the lame duck session is over:

https://www.nj.com/expo/news/erry-2018/11/81c7c2ae782080/cory-booker-says-i-will-consid.html

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Booker said he spent the year focused on the midterms, which saw the Democrats win back the House, including capturing four of New Jersey's five Republican-held congressional districts.

Next on his agenda is trying to push legislation across the finish line during the lame-duck congressional session, including a bill to overhaul the criminal justice system that has President Donald Trump's support.

Then, he told NJ Advance Media, he will look at 2020, where he already has banked $4.1 million for his Senate re-election campaign. He figures that will come in earnest during the December holiday season.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Flyersfan232 on November 25, 2018, 02:13:46 PM
prohibition party is going swept the governors and congress and the white house races.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 25, 2018, 05:46:03 PM
O'Malley was jetting around the country campaigning for Dems before the midterms....and he's still going.  In Mississippi this weekend, campaigning for Espy:



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I guess at some point, he is going to run out of races to campaign in, and it'll be time to launch his own presidential campaign?  Otherwise, what is he going to do with his weekends?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NewYorkExpress on November 25, 2018, 06:56:51 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/11/25/john-kasich-2020/2108618002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/11/25/john-kasich-2020/2108618002/)

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Ohio Gov. John Kasich, a fierce critic of President Donald Trump who challenged him for the Republican nomination in 2016, is thinking "very seriously" about another run for president in 2020.

Kasich, a Republican who is finishing his final term as governor in January, said Sunday on ABC's "This Week With George Stephanopoulos" that he is having "earnest conversations that go on virtually every day" with his friends and family about running in 2020.

"We need different leadership, there isn't a question about it," Kasich said. "I'm not only just worried about the tone and the name-calling and the division in our country and the partisanship, but I also worry about the policies."

Among his policy concerns, Kasich cited the rising national debt, the inability to find a solution to the immigration problem, isolationism and the "rotten deal with the Saudis to look the other way" after the murder of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi.

"I'm worried about our country in the longterm. So, the question for me is, 'What do I do about this?'" he said. He added that he has to consider whether to run only if he thinks he can actually win, or if it would be worth it to run to "send a message that can disrupt the political system in this country."

Kasich, 66, said he would consider a symbolic run when asked by host George Stephanopolous if he realistically thought he could wrest the nomination from Trump, who has solid support among Republican voters.

"All options are on the table for me," Kasich said, indicating he could consider a third party or bipartisan run.

This might be me speculating, but could Kasich have already made up his mind to run, and he's just being coy here?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on November 25, 2018, 08:28:49 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/11/25/john-kasich-2020/2108618002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/11/25/john-kasich-2020/2108618002/)

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Ohio Gov. John Kasich, a fierce critic of President Donald Trump who challenged him for the Republican nomination in 2016, is thinking "very seriously" about another run for president in 2020.

Kasich, a Republican who is finishing his final term as governor in January, said Sunday on ABC's "This Week With George Stephanopoulos" that he is having "earnest conversations that go on virtually every day" with his friends and family about running in 2020.

"We need different leadership, there isn't a question about it," Kasich said. "I'm not only just worried about the tone and the name-calling and the division in our country and the partisanship, but I also worry about the policies."

Among his policy concerns, Kasich cited the rising national debt, the inability to find a solution to the immigration problem, isolationism and the "rotten deal with the Saudis to look the other way" after the murder of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi.

"I'm worried about our country in the longterm. So, the question for me is, 'What do I do about this?'" he said. He added that he has to consider whether to run only if he thinks he can actually win, or if it would be worth it to run to "send a message that can disrupt the political system in this country."

Kasich, 66, said he would consider a symbolic run when asked by host George Stephanopolous if he realistically thought he could wrest the nomination from Trump, who has solid support among Republican voters.

"All options are on the table for me," Kasich said, indicating he could consider a third party or bipartisan run.

This might be me speculating, but could Kasich have already made up his mind to run, and he's just being coy here?

Kasich literally said he was not being coy in the interview lol.

But maybe...


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: pops on November 25, 2018, 08:41:11 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/11/25/john-kasich-2020/2108618002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/11/25/john-kasich-2020/2108618002/)

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Ohio Gov. John Kasich, a fierce critic of President Donald Trump who challenged him for the Republican nomination in 2016, is thinking "very seriously" about another run for president in 2020.

Kasich, a Republican who is finishing his final term as governor in January, said Sunday on ABC's "This Week With George Stephanopoulos" that he is having "earnest conversations that go on virtually every day" with his friends and family about running in 2020.

"We need different leadership, there isn't a question about it," Kasich said. "I'm not only just worried about the tone and the name-calling and the division in our country and the partisanship, but I also worry about the policies."

Among his policy concerns, Kasich cited the rising national debt, the inability to find a solution to the immigration problem, isolationism and the "rotten deal with the Saudis to look the other way" after the murder of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi.

"I'm worried about our country in the longterm. So, the question for me is, 'What do I do about this?'" he said. He added that he has to consider whether to run only if he thinks he can actually win, or if it would be worth it to run to "send a message that can disrupt the political system in this country."

Kasich, 66, said he would consider a symbolic run when asked by host George Stephanopolous if he realistically thought he could wrest the nomination from Trump, who has solid support among Republican voters.

"All options are on the table for me," Kasich said, indicating he could consider a third party or bipartisan run.

This might be me speculating, but could Kasich have already made up his mind to run, and he's just being coy here?

Kasich literally said he was not being coy in the interview lol.

But maybe...

Honestly I think he's been planning to run as an independent in 2020 since March or April of 2016, on the sole condition that Trump won.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 25, 2018, 09:24:02 PM
Long NY Mag on Sanders.  (http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/11/bernie-sanders-2020-decision.html?utm_campaign=nym&utm_medium=s1&utm_source=tw)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on November 25, 2018, 09:51:48 PM
Somewhat surprised we haven't gotten more fringe candidacies declared yet


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 26, 2018, 01:28:38 AM
New story about the early state jockeying here:

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article221978055.html

E.g.:

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And after an Iowa appearance, Booker’s team found photos from the event that attendees had posted on Facebook. Booker signed and mailed back at least 150 of those pictures, as well as personal thank you notes, to Iowa activists.

“That is just genius staff work,” said the longtime Iowa operative, who is unaligned and praised Booker, Harris, Montana Gov. Steve Bullock and Delaney. “To have the entrepreneurial approach to say, how can we get these photos, to be aware enough that people posting photos with the senator are more than likely caucus-goers anyway. I thought it was unique and showed an extra level of effort, a personal touch, which is what caucuses are all about.”

In other news...

Long NY Mag on Sanders.  (http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/11/bernie-sanders-2020-decision.html?utm_campaign=nym&utm_medium=s1&utm_source=tw)

Many interesting tidbits there.  Including this recap of Sanders’s meeting with his inner circle at the beginning of the year:

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In January, Sanders convened his inner circle at Rabin-Havt’s to talk through his future. Weaver and Turner were there, as were half a dozen other advisers. Sanders’s wife, Jane, dialed in. The attendees took turns presenting, explaining that if Sanders chose to run for president again, the dynamics would be significantly different — the “Bernie is just too eccentric, too untested” argument would be out the window with Trump in office, and Sanders would likely enter the primary this time as a front-runner, not an amusement. They framed the choice: If you want to focus on your legacy and influencing the party, we understand. But if you want to do this, they told him, say “Go.” The campaign couldn’t afford to be like the last one, which got off the ground only after Sanders’s then–chief strategist, Tad Devine, tired of the senator’s foot-dragging, leaked that an announcement was coming in order to force his hand. Sanders listened, told his advisers he hadn’t yet decided, and instructed them to do whatever was necessary to get him ready for “Go” in case he got there.

And so the team mapped out a 2018 political plan that could best position him for a 2020 run. Sanders has now visited 34 states since the 2016 election, including 22 that voted for Trump. Over the 20 days before the midterms, he sprinted through 13 of them, traveling more on behalf of midterm candidates than any other likely presidential contender except Joe Biden.

But Sanders isn’t totally happy about being a household name:

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And yet, as proud as he is to have found ways to put a dent in income inequality — under a Trump administration, no less — Sanders finds a lot of his newfound fame deeply unpleasant. He has talked with friends about the pressure of being, in his mind, the most popular politician in the country. He travels constantly but can’t go anywhere without being mobbed. He shoos away cameras that get too close, cuts off questioners. “It’s hard to walk down the street without people coming up to you,” he says. “There’s no interview I can give that does not have the possibility of a ‘gotcha’ question. ‘Oh, we can trap him, embarrass Sanders.’ ” His decision to at least partially ingratiate himself with the Democratic Establishment is its own kind of heartache. He believes he has a responsibility to shape the party in his image, but at what point do these negotiations turn him into just another politician?

Sanders may be influenced by Warren’s decision, but don’t expect a summit between them anytime soon:

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A lot likely comes down to Warren, whom Sanders has called “my favorite senator.” In 2016, according to advisers, the prospect of a Warren campaign nearly kept Sanders out of the race. Now some Sanders allies watching her maneuver toward 2020 perceive her trying to elbow him out. Neither senator has expressed any interest in stepping aside for the other, and the pair have mostly ignored entreaties from allies to meet in person and hash out an agreement. But given the complexity of launching a campaign, Sanders will have to make the decision in the next few months or the calendar will make it for him.

This might be me speculating, but could Kasich have already made up his mind to run, and he's just being coy here?

My assumption is that many of these "I'm thinking about it" candidates have already decided to run, but just don't think it makes sense to declare before Christmas.  So they're waiting.

I don't know if Kasich is in that category though.  He might be.  But running against an incumbent for the nomination (or going 3rd party) is a bigger lift than running in an open nomination, so I wouldn't automatically assume he's made up his mind.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: wbrocks67 on November 26, 2018, 09:36:16 AM
When should we expect people to start announcing? After the new year? Crazy that the first Dem debate is, what, only 8-9 months away?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sir Mohamed on November 26, 2018, 10:17:31 AM
When should we expect people to start announcing? After the new year? Crazy that the first Dem debate is, what, only 8-9 months away?

January or February, I guess. The first debate in June or July. Though I can't wait for the campaign to start, this is way too early.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: aaroncd107 on November 26, 2018, 04:41:41 PM
N U T


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on November 26, 2018, 06:11:47 PM
The Hill - Bernie Sanders: "I will probably run in 2020 if I'm the best candidate to beat Trump"

AKA - he's in.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/418224-bernie-sanders-i-will-run-in-2020-if-it-turns-out-im-the-best-candidate-to?fbclid=IwAR19uLvEhrgkObprZ3fQhOJ9MNI7wtzgVA-ac8phP30rwaaz7I4w8T_I8kA


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Comrade Funk on November 26, 2018, 06:23:34 PM
The Hill - Bernie Sanders: "I will probably run in 2020 if I'm the best candidate to beat Trump"

AKA - he's in.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/418224-bernie-sanders-i-will-run-in-2020-if-it-turns-out-im-the-best-candidate-to?fbclid=IwAR19uLvEhrgkObprZ3fQhOJ9MNI7wtzgVA-ac8phP30rwaaz7I4w8T_I8kA
I disagree. He says he won't run if there's someone better. He's smart enough to know 2020 will be vastly more difficult, especially since someone like Beto could completely take his younger base.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on November 26, 2018, 06:47:01 PM
Bros Save America host Dan Pfeiffer wrote the case for Beto 2020. It should be mentioned Crooked Media commissioned a documentary of Beto during his Senate run.

https://crooked.com/articles/beto-president-2020/

I think he does make a good point that this is Beto’s moment. Not that he’d win if he were to run but that if he’s going to run for president it really seems like now would be his best time to do it.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: indietraveler on November 26, 2018, 07:13:37 PM
N U T


That was a quick change of answer - I bet he's in!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on November 26, 2018, 07:18:05 PM
N U T


That was a quick change of answer - I bet he's in!

BETo.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Askew on November 26, 2018, 10:33:24 PM
I think a lot of the media and Dem politicians learned the wrong lesson from 2016 and think that a white man will have it easier than another woman. Hillary didn't lose because she is a woman but because she generated little excitement in the base, was toxic to independents and ran one of the most arrogant and lazy campaigns I've ever seen from a Dem presidential candidate. Another woman won't have those issues.

I agree with your post in regards to how another woman wouldn't necessarily be a repeat of Clinton's loss from 2016. But I disagree that her campaign was lazy or arrogant. It was done in by a perfect storm of factors, ones mostly beyond her control. Lessons should still be learned from it, of course.

Agreed. There were about 10 different factors of why HRC lost. Some were in her control, some out of it. I *will* say though, I don't think her campaign got lazy or arrogant, per say, but I remember thinking it was really annoying how Trump would do like 3 rallies a day and be everywhere, and she'd only do like 1. The next candidate really needs to be on their grind, Beto-style, non-stop for every single vote, and take nothing for granted anywhere. It's clear, unfortunately, that they took Wisconsin and Michigan for granted.

Beto used the Obama campaign method. That Obama method to outwork your opponent was key to him beating Hillary and she still mailed it in in 2016. I never want to see another Dem run an arrogant campaign like that again.

On a side note, Bernie is going to run. His ego is too big to sit it out.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 27, 2018, 01:15:46 AM
N U T


That was a quick change of answer - I bet he's in!

This isn't new.  As I noted 10 days ago:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=303677.msg6539219#msg6539219

O'Rourke was in DC a couple of weeks ago, and, when asked about 2020, said " I haven’t made any decisions about anything".

The Hill - Bernie Sanders: "I will probably run in 2020 if I'm the best candidate to beat Trump"

AKA - he's in.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/418224-bernie-sanders-i-will-run-in-2020-if-it-turns-out-im-the-best-candidate-to?fbclid=IwAR19uLvEhrgkObprZ3fQhOJ9MNI7wtzgVA-ac8phP30rwaaz7I4w8T_I8kA

He may run, sure, but "I'll run if I'm convinced I'm the best candidate to win" is a pretty standard keeping your options open response.  I don't see it as being definitive either way.

In other news, Bloomberg is headed to Iowa next week:

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/26/michael-bloomberg-visit-iowa-2020-presidential-run-new-york-city-mayor-democrat-republican-climate/2120139002/

And Gabbard is headed to NH this weekend:




Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Kentuckian on November 27, 2018, 11:27:26 AM
New story about the early state jockeying here:

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article221978055.html

E.g.:

And after an Iowa appearance, Booker’s team found photos from the event that attendees had posted on Facebook. Booker signed and mailed back at least 150 of those pictures, as well as personal thank you notes, to Iowa activists.

“That is just genius staff work,” said the longtime Iowa operative, who is unaligned and praised Booker, Harris, Montana Gov. Steve Bullock and Delaney. “To have the entrepreneurial approach to say, how can we get these photos, to be aware enough that people posting photos with the senator are more than likely caucus-goers anyway. I thought it was unique and showed an extra level of effort, a personal touch, which is what caucuses are all about.”

I'm not a Booker fan but, from a campaign perspective, that's pretty dang brilliant.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 27, 2018, 01:43:08 PM
Cuomo: "I am ruling it out":

https://theweek.com/speedreads/809597/andrew-cuomo-swears-hes-not-running-president-2020

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"I am ruling it out," Cuomo said Tuesday of a 2020 presidential bid, adding that he has "a full plate with many projects," per USA Today reporter Jon Campbell. This comes a week after a report from The Associated Press that said Cuomo had contacted Democrats in Des Moines, Iowa as presidential contenders look to set up staff in the state that hosts the first caucus. Cuomo denied this report, calling it a "conspiracy theory."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: lfromnj on November 27, 2018, 01:56:25 PM
Cuomo: "I am ruling it out":

https://theweek.com/speedreads/809597/andrew-cuomo-swears-hes-not-running-president-2020

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"I am ruling it out," Cuomo said Tuesday of a 2020 presidential bid, adding that he has "a full plate with many projects," per USA Today reporter Jon Campbell. This comes a week after a report from The Associated Press that said Cuomo had contacted Democrats in Des Moines, Iowa as presidential contenders look to set up staff in the state that hosts the first caucus. Cuomo denied this report, calling it a "conspiracy theory."


Aw damn I was just getting excited.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lourdes on November 27, 2018, 04:06:10 PM
Cuomo: "I am ruling it out":

https://theweek.com/speedreads/809597/andrew-cuomo-swears-hes-not-running-president-2020

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"I am ruling it out," Cuomo said Tuesday of a 2020 presidential bid, adding that he has "a full plate with many projects," per USA Today reporter Jon Campbell. This comes a week after a report from The Associated Press that said Cuomo had contacted Democrats in Des Moines, Iowa as presidential contenders look to set up staff in the state that hosts the first caucus. Cuomo denied this report, calling it a "conspiracy theory."


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Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Crackhead Mike Lindell on November 27, 2018, 05:41:54 PM
Ah, the potential clown car potentially gets a tiny bit less crowded. Just a tiny bit.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: History505 on November 27, 2018, 05:45:58 PM
Ah, the potential clown car potentially gets a tiny bit less crowded. Just a tiny bit.
He knows he doesn't have a chance.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: aaroncd107 on November 27, 2018, 08:20:05 PM
Not that it’s news, but...



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NewYorkExpress on November 27, 2018, 10:33:25 PM
Cuomo: "I am ruling it out":

https://theweek.com/speedreads/809597/andrew-cuomo-swears-hes-not-running-president-2020

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"I am ruling it out," Cuomo said Tuesday of a 2020 presidential bid, adding that he has "a full plate with many projects," per USA Today reporter Jon Campbell. This comes a week after a report from The Associated Press that said Cuomo had contacted Democrats in Des Moines, Iowa as presidential contenders look to set up staff in the state that hosts the first caucus. Cuomo denied this report, calling it a "conspiracy theory."


I actually believe this. Cuomo doesn't want to be his father, the Hamlet on the Hudson who dithered about runs in 1984, 1988 and 1992. He'll make his intentions clear now and in 2024 (if applicable). Mind you, if Gillibrand is elected President, I wouldn't be stunned if Cuomo runs in the special for her seat...


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 28, 2018, 12:16:47 AM
Lengthy video interview with Hickenlooper here:

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/politics-unplugged/gov-john-hickenlooper-opens-up-about-family-life-future-need-for-honeymoon

He says that after his term as governor ends in January, he’s planning to take a few weeks off.  As for a timeline on his 2020 decision?:

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”We’ll try to make up our mind by the end of February.”

He also says that if he doesn’t run for president, he “might teach”, and brushes aside the suggestion that he run for Senate instead as something that would make more sense for “a young politician”.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Liberalrocks on November 28, 2018, 09:22:56 AM
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/418620-clinton-dodges-question-on-2020-bid


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 28, 2018, 10:19:20 AM
Not that it’s news, but...



More from that interview here:

link (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/11/27/julian_castro_it_will_be_cathartic_for_democrats_to_have_40_candidates_for_president_lots_of_debates.html)

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MATTHEWS: I think there are going to be four tiers of debates. What would stop you from going ahead and running?

CASTRO: Well, you know, what would stop me would be [pause] personal concerns --

MATTHEWS: That's a real general question.

CASTRO: I am very likely to run for president and I've said that. And, you know, if i decide to do it, then I'm going to.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Storr on November 28, 2018, 11:00:55 AM
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/418620-clinton-dodges-question-on-2020-bid

Hilary, please don't.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: History505 on November 28, 2018, 11:39:56 AM
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/418620-clinton-dodges-question-on-2020-bid

Hilary, please don't.
She won't, she's just joking around.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 28, 2018, 01:43:30 PM
Jesse Ventura tells TMZ that he's thinking about running for the Green Party nomination for president in 2020:

http://www.tmz.com/2018/11/28/jesse-ventura-running-president-trump-wrestlemania/

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"The [Green Party] has shown some interest," the 67-year-old former Governor of Minnesota told us at LAX ... "I haven't made a decision yet because it's a long time off."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Kentuckian on November 28, 2018, 01:45:29 PM
Jesse Ventura tells TMZ that he's thinking about running for the Green Party nomination for president in 2020:

http://www.tmz.com/2018/11/28/jesse-ventura-running-president-trump-wrestlemania/

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"The [Green Party] has shown some interest," the 67-year-old former Governor of Minnesota told us at LAX ... "I haven't made a decision yet because it's a long time off."


L M A O


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: President Johnson on November 28, 2018, 04:51:38 PM
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/418620-clinton-dodges-question-on-2020-bid

Hilary, please don't.

Let her run to embrass herself and drop out after finishing in single digits in the Iowa Caucus.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on November 28, 2018, 05:32:53 PM
Ironic that Kamala Harris went with the all-white outfit (Similar to Hillary Clinton at the 2016 DNC) on the cover of her book coming out in January.

In case if you had any doubt she's running.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: JG on November 28, 2018, 10:18:28 PM
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/418620-clinton-dodges-question-on-2020-bid

Hilary, please don't.

She is obviously joking.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 29, 2018, 12:39:26 AM
Bullock says he’s not interested in running for Senate:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/28/democrats-senate-majority-2020-1022465

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“I’ve said earlier that really doesn’t interest me,” Bullock said in an interview. “But — well, no. I won’t even say ‘but.’”

Kerry:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/28/john-kerry-possible-2020-bid-1023960

Quote
“I’m not taking anything off the table,” Kerry said. “I haven’t been running around to the most obvious states, laying any groundwork or doing anything.”

“Am I going to think about it? Yeah, I’m going to think about it,” he continued.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: wbrocks67 on November 29, 2018, 07:55:01 AM
It's very obvious that as it stands now, Beto would go into the primary as the "enthusiasm" candidate.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: MApatriot on November 29, 2018, 08:10:16 AM
Literally a red wave baby


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 29, 2018, 08:28:40 AM
Buttigieg, Merkley, Swalwell making a pre-Xmas pilgrimage to Iowa. (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/11/democrats-buttigieg-swalwell-merkely-head-iowa/576919/)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: America Needs R'hllor on November 29, 2018, 02:09:55 PM

Whoever programmed you guys is very uncreative.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on November 29, 2018, 07:12:28 PM
Buttigieg says he'll announce his plans by year's end. (https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/local/south-bend-mayor-pete-buttigieg-to-reveal-his-political-plans/article_654eae50-1fbc-545c-8add-a3e95cf4c86e.html)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 30, 2018, 01:10:37 AM
Garcetti has been thinking more about 2020, and now gives a “first quarter of 2019” decision timeline:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/l-a-mayor-eric-garcetti-closer-to-2020-bid-race-will-be-about-getting-s-done/

Quote
"Before, you know, I was thinking about it, but not as hard as I am now," he said, adding later that he expects to make a final decision "in this first quarter of the coming year."

Holder headed to Iowa in February:

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/30/iowa-caucus-eric-holder-iowa-2020-presidential-run-candidate-harkin-bloomberg-trump-president/2155185002/

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Former U.S. attorney general and potential presidential candidate Eric Holder will visit Des Moines in February to speak at The Harkin Institute for Public Policy & Citizen Engagement at Drake University.

Holder has said publicly he is considering running for president in 2020 but won't make a decision until early next year. This will be his first Iowa appearance as a possible presidential candidate.

Steyer on his 2020 decision:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/no-one-else-going-going-billionaire-tom-steyer-possible-presidential-run-215055038.html

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Q: But just to be clear: If you don’t feel like any of the candidates are proposing “transformational politics,” as you define it, then you will step in and put your name on that ballot?

Steyer: [Laughs] That won’t be the absolute only thing that I will think about in terms of how I spend my life.

Q: But it’s something you’re thinking about.

Steyer: Someone is going to have to fight for this. If no one else is going to do it, I am going to do it.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: aaroncd107 on November 30, 2018, 09:50:53 AM
Someone has created a "Draft Beto 2020" PAC.

https://draftbeto2020.org/

we been knew that


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on November 30, 2018, 10:50:36 AM
Buttigieg says he'll announce his plans by year's end. (https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/local/south-bend-mayor-pete-buttigieg-to-reveal-his-political-plans/article_654eae50-1fbc-545c-8add-a3e95cf4c86e.html)

I hope he's only doing this to get more support for a 2020 Indiana governor's race.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: wbrocks67 on November 30, 2018, 11:20:46 AM
Steyer needs to say away. Same with Avenatti (think that's done now, thank god) and Bernie.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Kentuckian on November 30, 2018, 11:27:58 AM
Maryland Governor Larry Hogan when asked about running against Trump:

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Within the White House, occasional criticism from Republican governors has led to suspicions that one of them could mount a surprise 2020 primary challenge to Trump. Some in the administration have trained their focus on Hogan and Baker, two overwhelmingly popular blue-state Republicans who haven’t been shy about tweaking the president.

When asked this week whether he was open to challenging Trump, Baker laughed and said he “won’t be running for president.”

Hogan, however, was less definitive.

“Well, you can never say never. I’ve no idea whether the president is even running for reelection or what’s going to happen two years from now,” he said. “I’ll say never say never but my focus right now is on Maryland.”

Source: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/30/trump-midterms-republican-party-governors-rga-1034609 (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/30/trump-midterms-republican-party-governors-rga-1034609)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Would-be-Rep. on November 30, 2018, 05:03:04 PM
Sherrod Brown will be on CNN’s State of the Union this Sunday.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on November 30, 2018, 10:36:29 PM
Steyer needs to say away. Same with Avenatti (think that's done now, thank god) and Bernie.

Avenatti was acquitted of any felony charges, and the Stormy allegations are completely baseless...


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Cold War Liberal on December 01, 2018, 06:58:34 PM
Buttigieg says he'll announce his plans by year's end. (https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/local/south-bend-mayor-pete-buttigieg-to-reveal-his-political-plans/article_654eae50-1fbc-545c-8add-a3e95cf4c86e.html)

I hope he's only doing this to get more support for a 2020 Indiana governor's race.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on December 01, 2018, 08:29:06 PM
Rhode Island Governor Gina Raimondo picks to lead the Democratic Governors Association over a 2020 campaign. She's out.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/419265-raimondo-to-lead-dem-governors-wont-run-for-president


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: tosk on December 01, 2018, 09:09:40 PM
Rhode Island Governor Gina Raimondo picks to lead the Democratic Governors Association over a 2020 campaign. She's out.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/419265-raimondo-to-lead-dem-governors-wont-run-for-president

forgot anyone had talked about her... probably a good idea on her part


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 01, 2018, 09:26:08 PM
Well, now it’s not just folks like Castro and Buttigieg, but Kamala Harris, a candidate widely considered to be in the “first tier”, saying that she intends to follow an “end of this year” decision timeline on 2020:

https://www.nbcnews.com/know-your-value/feature/sen-kamala-harris-near-decision-2020-presidential-bid-ncna942631

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“It’s a very serious decision,” Harris told “Morning Joe” co-host Mika Brzezinski during an onstage conversation at the Know Your Value conference in San Francisco. “Over the holiday, I will make that decision with my family.”

Klobuchar was in Iowa today, and was asked about 2020 (sounds like she does *not* have any imminent decision timeline):

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/01/amy-klobuchar-minnesota-heartland-economics-iowa-caucus-democrats-farm-bill-farmers-union-convention/2174588002/

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“Obviously, people have been talking to me about this, including down here,” she said. “But I don’t have any announcements to make today. … I don’t have a timeline at this point except to be listening to people.”

Weigel recaps Sanders-fest in Burlington (Gabbard also spoke there):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/bernie-sanders-turns-focus-to-the-white-house-and-the-world/2018/12/01/dc01f7ae-f4f1-11e8-80d0-f7e1948d55f4_story.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NevadanAtHeart on December 01, 2018, 09:37:48 PM
Well, now it’s not just folks like Castro and Buttigieg, but Kamala Harris, a candidate widely considered to be in the “first tier”, saying that she intends to follow an “end of this year” decision timeline on 2020:

https://www.nbcnews.com/know-your-value/feature/sen-kamala-harris-near-decision-2020-presidential-bid-ncna942631

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“It’s a very serious decision,” Harris told “Morning Joe” co-host Mika Brzezinski during an onstage conversation at the Know Your Value conference in San Francisco. “Over the holiday, I will make that decision with my family.”

Klobuchar was in Iowa today, and was asked about 2020 (sounds like she does *not* have any imminent decision timeline):

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/01/amy-klobuchar-minnesota-heartland-economics-iowa-caucus-democrats-farm-bill-farmers-union-convention/2174588002/

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“Obviously, people have been talking to me about this, including down here,” she said. “But I don’t have any announcements to make today. … I don’t have a timeline at this point except to be listening to people.”

Weigel recaps Sanders-fest in Burlington (Gabbard also spoke there):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/bernie-sanders-turns-focus-to-the-white-house-and-the-world/2018/12/01/dc01f7ae-f4f1-11e8-80d0-f7e1948d55f4_story.html


Sen. Sherrod Brown, who's probably realistically somewhere between the low first and high second tiers of candidates, also has an end of the year timeline, right? And important to note from this example is that having a decision deadline at the end of the year is not the same as having an announcement planned for the end of the year. I wouldn't expect Sen. Harris to announce this early.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 01, 2018, 10:18:00 PM
Sen. Sherrod Brown, who's probably realistically somewhere between the low first and high second tiers of candidates, also has an end of the year timeline, right?

No.  He said about two weeks ago that he has no timetable for a decision:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=303677.msg6542857#msg6542857

As far as I know, he hasn't revised those comments, but if you've seen something different, let me know.

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And important to note from this example is that having a decision deadline at the end of the year is not the same as having an announcement planned for the end of the year. I wouldn't expect Sen. Harris to announce this early.

Well, I would make a distinction between 1) a candidate's *actual* time of decision, and 2) a candidate's publicly stated time of decision.  My assumption is that Harris, and many of the others, have already decided that they're going to run.  They just haven't made the announcement yet, because they don't judge this as the best time to announce.  They might announce in January, or they might announce in March or April, but their actual decision to run could have been months or even years earlier than that.

But in terms of Harris's *publicly stated* time of decision....she's now said that she'll decide over the holidays.  So what is she going to say when a reporter asks her about this on January 2nd?  "I've decided whether I'm going to run for president, but I won't tell you what my decision is until April?"  No, that would be silly.  You can say "I've decided, and I'll announce the decision next week", but much more than that isn't realistic.  You can't admit that you're hiding your decision for more than a week or so.

So either she will announce in January, or else she'll have to backtrack on these comments, saying that she's still thinking about it.  (And I'm not saying it would be a big deal if she does backtrack.  I was just making a note of the timeline she's nominally floating right now.)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 02, 2018, 02:18:24 PM
Avenatti says his chances in the primary are actually going up(!), though he’s already suffered staff attrition:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/02/michael-avenatti-crash-burn-1037151

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Avenatti told POLITICO he will be fully exonerated when the facts and evidence relating to the alleged incident are known. If anything, he said, the conditions for his bid have improved.

“I think the field is shaping up to be even more advantageous for someone like me, not less,” Avenatti said, refusing to elaborate. “I think my chances have only gone up, not gone down.”
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One of Avenatti’s recent hires is already leaving after only six weeks. Roger Salazar, a Sacramento-based operative who advised the Clinton White House and Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, was helping with communications related to The Fight PAC, the political action committee he launched to pay for his operation.

“Michael’s got a very important voice with respect to holding Trump’s feet to the fire. He doesn’t need me to speak for him. I’m not engaged at this point,” Salazar said Friday. “I’m not working for Fight PAC any longer.”

In other news, the NYT had a story a few days ago on the art of the (2020) dodge:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/29/us/politics/democrats-2020-president.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 02, 2018, 05:47:38 PM
Inslee apparently created a new PAC in October, but managed to keep it a secret until now:

https://www.opb.org/news/article/jay-inslee-washington-2020-presidential-race-pac-candidate/

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The political action committee (PAC), called Vision PAC, was quietly registered with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) on Oct. 4 by Inslee’s Washington state campaign treasurer Philip Lloyd. The existence of the PAC and its connection to Inslee have not been previously reported.

So far, the PAC has reported a single $5,000 contribution from Yakima attorney Blaine Tamaki, a major Inslee supporter who the governor appointed to the University of Washington Board of Regents in 2017. Tamaki did not immediately return a call seeking comment.

Another longtime Inslee donor and supporter, Janet Pauli of Bainbridge Island, told the news outlets that she and her husband, Bill, recently pledged $10,000 to Inslee’s federal PAC after he personally called to request their support.

“I told him yes,” Pauli said. “I am excited about it.”

Pauli said that during her lengthy conversation with Inslee, he mentioned using the money he raises to make trips to states like Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina that hold the earliest presidential primary and caucus contests.

“There was excitement in his voice,” Pauli said. “You know, I think he is really curious as to whether or not he can pursue this.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on December 02, 2018, 07:28:27 PM
Obama and Clinton administration aides are throwing Beto O'Rourke into the mix.

I'm willing to bet that Deval Patrick and Eric Holder have taken quite a hit on the Obamaworld list.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/obama-aides-say-beto-o-rourke-reminds-them-ex-president-n942576


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ○∙◄☻Ątπ[╪AV┼cVę└ on December 02, 2018, 07:34:03 PM
Obama and Clinton administration aides are throwing Beto O'Rourke into the mix.

I'm willing to bet that Deval Patrick and Eric Holder have taken quite a hit on the Obamaworld list.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/obama-aides-say-beto-o-rourke-reminds-them-ex-president-n942576

Yeah, I don't need someone who reminds me of Obama.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on December 02, 2018, 07:54:33 PM
Rhode Island Governor Gina Raimondo picks to lead the Democratic Governors Association over a 2020 campaign. She's out.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/419265-raimondo-to-lead-dem-governors-wont-run-for-president

forgot anyone had talked about her... probably a good idea on her part

Agreed. She may have done better in getting re-elected than anyone would have expected, but she would be a very poor choice for a nominee. I never thought she was in contention either.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on December 02, 2018, 09:15:25 PM
Obama and Clinton administration aides are throwing Beto O'Rourke into the mix.

I'm willing to bet that Deval Patrick and Eric Holder have taken quite a hit on the Obamaworld list.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/obama-aides-say-beto-o-rourke-reminds-them-ex-president-n942576

Yeah, I don't need someone who reminds me of Obama.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: beaver2.0 on December 02, 2018, 10:15:14 PM
What appeal does Deval Patrick have?  Does he have any distinguishing features that I just don't know of?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on December 02, 2018, 10:28:49 PM
What appeal does Deval Patrick have?  Does he have any distinguishing features that I just don't know of?

He's one of only two elected black Governors ever elected and a decent orator, Obama was even accused of plagiarizing from Patrick back in 2008.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 03, 2018, 12:20:00 AM
Gabbard was  in New Hampshire today, and was asked about 2020.  She said that she’s “seriously considering” a presidential run, but has no specific decision timeline in mind right now:

https://www.civilbeat.org/2018/12/tulsi-gabbard-for-president-i-am-seriously-considering-it/

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Civil Beat caught up with the Hawaii congresswoman Sunday evening at a Rockingham County Democrat “meet and greet” where she gave a stump speech covering everything from her desire to get corporate money out of politics to ending America’s military adventurism abroad.

After the event she said she has no timeline for when she’ll officially announce her candidacy.
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When asked what she would tell her constituents in Hawaii about her visits to the mainland to put out presidential feelers, Gabbard, who’s a member of the Hawaii Army National Guard and an Iraq War veteran, said she’s doing it in the name of public service.

“As I have throughout my life in making the different decisions that I’ve made I am thinking about how I can best be of service to the people of this country,” she said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: wbrocks67 on December 03, 2018, 07:37:13 AM
Gabbard was  in New Hampshire today, and was asked about 2020.  She said that she’s “seriously considering” a presidential run, but has no specific decision timeline in mind right now:

https://www.civilbeat.org/2018/12/tulsi-gabbard-for-president-i-am-seriously-considering-it/

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Civil Beat caught up with the Hawaii congresswoman Sunday evening at a Rockingham County Democrat “meet and greet” where she gave a stump speech covering everything from her desire to get corporate money out of politics to ending America’s military adventurism abroad.

After the event she said she has no timeline for when she’ll officially announce her candidacy.
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When asked what she would tell her constituents in Hawaii about her visits to the mainland to put out presidential feelers, Gabbard, who’s a member of the Hawaii Army National Guard and an Iraq War veteran, said she’s doing it in the name of public service.

“As I have throughout my life in making the different decisions that I’ve made I am thinking about how I can best be of service to the people of this country,” she said.


Gabbard would legit be the worst Dem nominee in years. She's horrific.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 03, 2018, 10:08:38 AM
Booker says that during the holidays, he’ll decide whether to run for reelection, and “begin to think about running for president”:

https://pix11.com/2018/12/03/sen-cory-booker-says-hell-think-about-2020-presidential-run-over-the-holidays/

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When asked about his thoughts on running in 2020, Booker said he's focused on passing bipartisan bills through the last days of the year but will take time during the holidays to "sit back and meet with family, friends and advisors and decide whether to run for reelection which has been my sole focus or now begin to think about running for president."

"This holiday season will be a great time for me to sit down... bring together folks and make a decision, Booker said. "Not about what's best for me but really with what I believe in my heart is best for the country."

Sanders:

http://time.com/5469110/bernie-sanders-presidential-campaign-2020/

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A final decision has not been made, but those closest to the 77-year-old self-described democratic socialist suggest that neither age nor interest from a glut of progressive presidential prospects would dissuade him from undertaking a second shot at the presidency. And as Sanders’ brain trust gathered for a retreat in Vermont over the weekend, some spoke openly about a 2020 White House bid as if it was almost a foregone conclusion.
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Despite signs pointing to a 2020 run, Sanders has given himself a clear escape hatch.

Weaver, like Sanders himself in a recent interview, suggested that the senator would step aside if he believes another candidate has a better shot at denying Trump a second term. There are no clear indications from Sanders or those closest to him, however, that he currently has that belief.

Bennet “seriously thinking about running”, according to three sources who talked to him in recent months:

http://www.cpr.org/news/story/senator-michael-bennet-seriously-thinking-about-2020-presidential-run


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on December 03, 2018, 12:16:24 PM
Gabbard was  in New Hampshire today, and was asked about 2020.  She said that she’s “seriously considering” a presidential run, but has no specific decision timeline in mind right now:

https://www.civilbeat.org/2018/12/tulsi-gabbard-for-president-i-am-seriously-considering-it/

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Civil Beat caught up with the Hawaii congresswoman Sunday evening at a Rockingham County Democrat “meet and greet” where she gave a stump speech covering everything from her desire to get corporate money out of politics to ending America’s military adventurism abroad.

After the event she said she has no timeline for when she’ll officially announce her candidacy.
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When asked what she would tell her constituents in Hawaii about her visits to the mainland to put out presidential feelers, Gabbard, who’s a member of the Hawaii Army National Guard and an Iraq War veteran, said she’s doing it in the name of public service.

“As I have throughout my life in making the different decisions that I’ve made I am thinking about how I can best be of service to the people of this country,” she said.


Gabbard would legit be the worst Dem nominee in years. She's horrific.

You think a President Gabbard would be worse than a President Webb?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on December 03, 2018, 01:12:17 PM
Gabbard was  in New Hampshire today, and was asked about 2020.  She said that she’s “seriously considering” a presidential run, but has no specific decision timeline in mind right now:

https://www.civilbeat.org/2018/12/tulsi-gabbard-for-president-i-am-seriously-considering-it/

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Civil Beat caught up with the Hawaii congresswoman Sunday evening at a Rockingham County Democrat “meet and greet” where she gave a stump speech covering everything from her desire to get corporate money out of politics to ending America’s military adventurism abroad.

After the event she said she has no timeline for when she’ll officially announce her candidacy.
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When asked what she would tell her constituents in Hawaii about her visits to the mainland to put out presidential feelers, Gabbard, who’s a member of the Hawaii Army National Guard and an Iraq War veteran, said she’s doing it in the name of public service.

“As I have throughout my life in making the different decisions that I’ve made I am thinking about how I can best be of service to the people of this country,” she said.


Gabbard would legit be the worst Dem nominee in years. She's horrific.

Excellent news! She would be forced out of the HI primary if thats the case, depriving her of her house seat. She wouldnt win the presidential primary, and would just be one of the longshots who throw everything away for an iota of a chance.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Coldstream on December 03, 2018, 02:31:48 PM
Gabbard was  in New Hampshire today, and was asked about 2020.  She said that she’s “seriously considering” a presidential run, but has no specific decision timeline in mind right now:

https://www.civilbeat.org/2018/12/tulsi-gabbard-for-president-i-am-seriously-considering-it/

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Civil Beat caught up with the Hawaii congresswoman Sunday evening at a Rockingham County Democrat “meet and greet” where she gave a stump speech covering everything from her desire to get corporate money out of politics to ending America’s military adventurism abroad.

After the event she said she has no timeline for when she’ll officially announce her candidacy.
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When asked what she would tell her constituents in Hawaii about her visits to the mainland to put out presidential feelers, Gabbard, who’s a member of the Hawaii Army National Guard and an Iraq War veteran, said she’s doing it in the name of public service.

“As I have throughout my life in making the different decisions that I’ve made I am thinking about how I can best be of service to the people of this country,” she said.


Gabbard would legit be the worst Dem nominee in years. She's horrific.

Excellent news! She would be forced out of the HI primary if thats the case, depriving her of her house seat. She wouldnt win the presidential primary, and would just be one of the longshots who throw everything away for an iota of a chance.

Personally I think this is why she won’t run. She knows she can’t win - at least this cycle - and she’d be throwing away her congressional seat and platform. Also, if Sanders runs she loses her biggest asset of being able to run as a Sanders supporter.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on December 03, 2018, 02:46:36 PM
Gabbard was  in New Hampshire today, and was asked about 2020.  She said that she’s “seriously considering” a presidential run, but has no specific decision timeline in mind right now:

https://www.civilbeat.org/2018/12/tulsi-gabbard-for-president-i-am-seriously-considering-it/

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Civil Beat caught up with the Hawaii congresswoman Sunday evening at a Rockingham County Democrat “meet and greet” where she gave a stump speech covering everything from her desire to get corporate money out of politics to ending America’s military adventurism abroad.

After the event she said she has no timeline for when she’ll officially announce her candidacy.
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When asked what she would tell her constituents in Hawaii about her visits to the mainland to put out presidential feelers, Gabbard, who’s a member of the Hawaii Army National Guard and an Iraq War veteran, said she’s doing it in the name of public service.

“As I have throughout my life in making the different decisions that I’ve made I am thinking about how I can best be of service to the people of this country,” she said.


Gabbard would legit be the worst Dem nominee in years. She's horrific.

Excellent news! She would be forced out of the HI primary if thats the case, depriving her of her house seat. She wouldnt win the presidential primary, and would just be one of the longshots who throw everything away for an iota of a chance.

Personally I think this is why she won’t run. She knows she can’t win - at least this cycle - and she’d be throwing away her congressional seat and platform. Also, if Sanders runs she loses her biggest asset of being able to run as a Sanders supporter.

Can't she run for both at the same time?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on December 03, 2018, 04:08:01 PM
What appeal does Deval Patrick have?  Does he have any distinguishing features that I just don't know of?

He has great optics/character. A decent mix of progressive/establishment beliefs. One of the few African American governors in U.S. history.

Suffers from a lack of national popularity and a lot of ties to the Democratic establishment.

In a competitive primary, I can see his campaign going identically to that of Scott Walker's in 2016. Popular governor to the politicos, wins a poll or two, does good for a month or so and his campaign proceeds to nosedive completely.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: lfromnj on December 03, 2018, 04:09:40 PM
More importantly wtf does julian Castro have. Of any presidential candidate he confuses me the most and I want to see him go down in flames


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on December 03, 2018, 04:11:52 PM
More importantly wtf does julian Castro have. Of any presidential candidate he confuses me the most and I want to see him go down in flames

Decent charisma. Necessarily hasn't done much wrong in his career but HUD overspending would be a major campaign flaw. Latino with ties to California and Texas as well. He could be pushed as a young establishment Democratic candidate, but his odds of getting the VP seat are higher.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on December 03, 2018, 04:23:16 PM
What appeal does Deval Patrick have?  Does he have any distinguishing features that I just don't know of?

He has great optics/character. A decent mix of progressive/establishment beliefs. One of the few African American governors in U.S. history.

Suffers from a lack of national popularity and a lot of ties to the Democratic establishment.

In a competitive primary, I can see his campaign going identically to that of Scott Walker's in 2016. Popular governor to the politicos, wins a poll or two, does good for a month or so and his campaign proceeds to nosedive completely.

His biggest challenge is making it into the main debate and not the undercard debate. This will become a huge problem for a lot candiates like Bullock as well with little name ID. I mean nobody's talking about him outside of this forum and some blogs, he has less than 40K followers on twitter and 50K on FB. The rules are going to have to be pretty lax for him to make it to the main debate.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 03, 2018, 06:17:27 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on December 03, 2018, 08:00:08 PM


His anti-Pelosi gambit probably cost him any possible momentum for President or even a future in running for Markey's seat when he retires. I wonder if his constituents miss Tierney by now.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on December 03, 2018, 08:24:33 PM


Please no, Seth.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on December 03, 2018, 09:17:10 PM
Not sure if this was posted yet but here you go...



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on December 03, 2018, 09:56:27 PM
Not sure if this was posted yet but here you go...



Looks like we could add Booker to the list.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: 💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his) on December 03, 2018, 11:19:23 PM
Didn't see this in the last few pages:

Sen. Michael Bennet ‘Seriously Thinking’ About A 2020 Run For President (http://www.cpr.org/news/story/senator-michael-bennet-seriously-thinking-about-2020-presidential-run) (Bente Bierkeland, Colorado Public Radio)

I wasn't expecting this. I know Bennet has voiced frustration with the culture of the Senate, but I would have figured he would have left for agency work or private sector work before trying a Presidential run. It'd be pretty interesting seeing a race between him and Hickenlooper - Bennet's base seems like it would be rather small and niche and he hardly has a chance with anyone in the Progressive Wing who pays any attention to individual Senator's voting records.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Frodo on December 04, 2018, 08:55:39 AM
Biden will make his decision (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-says-hes-the-most-qualified-person-in-the-country-to-be-president/2018/12/04/f79f56fc-f7bf-11e8-8c9a-860ce2a8148f_story.html?utm_term=.ef56490c1c56) within the next couple of months. 


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: JG on December 04, 2018, 10:41:29 AM
Didn't see this in the last few pages:

Sen. Michael Bennet ‘Seriously Thinking’ About A 2020 Run For President (http://www.cpr.org/news/story/senator-michael-bennet-seriously-thinking-about-2020-presidential-run) (Bente Bierkeland, Colorado Public Radio)

I wasn't expecting this. I know Bennet has voiced frustration with the culture of the Senate, but I would have figured he would have left for agency work or private sector work before trying a Presidential run. It'd be pretty interesting seeing a race between him and Hickenlooper - Bennet's base seems like it would be rather small and niche and he hardly has a chance with anyone in the Progressive Wing who pays any attention to individual Senator's voting records.

I remember him also being mentioned by Obama as a potential presidential candidate, which really surprised me at the time. I wonder if Patrick doesn't end up running, whether or not Obamaworld will throw its weight behind Bennet.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Karpatsky on December 04, 2018, 12:37:00 PM
I didn't see this get posted: Avenatti out, thank goodness.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/04/avenatti-announces-that-he-will-not-run-for-president-in-2020-1043388


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lourdes on December 04, 2018, 12:55:17 PM
He never had a chance anyway.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Kylar on December 04, 2018, 12:56:47 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/stacey-abrams-is-not-ruling-out-2020-presidential-run/ar-BBQuqTt
FYI...all I have to say to this is good grief.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: new_patomic on December 04, 2018, 01:09:14 PM
I didn't see this get posted: Avenatti out, thank goodness.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/04/avenatti-announces-that-he-will-not-run-for-president-in-2020-1043388
Our long national nightmare is slightly less nightmarish.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: UWS on December 04, 2018, 02:10:33 PM
Biden will make his decision (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-says-hes-the-most-qualified-person-in-the-country-to-be-president/2018/12/04/f79f56fc-f7bf-11e8-8c9a-860ce2a8148f_story.html?utm_term=.ef56490c1c56) within the next couple of months.  

More precisely, he said in the nex two months, which means that he will announce in February. And if he says that he's the most qualified, I guess that's a sign that he will run.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: 136or142 on December 04, 2018, 05:52:17 PM
Didn't see this in the last few pages:

Sen. Michael Bennet ‘Seriously Thinking’ About A 2020 Run For President (http://www.cpr.org/news/story/senator-michael-bennet-seriously-thinking-about-2020-presidential-run) (Bente Bierkeland, Colorado Public Radio)

I wasn't expecting this. I know Bennet has voiced frustration with the culture of the Senate, but I would have figured he would have left for agency work or private sector work before trying a Presidential run. It'd be pretty interesting seeing a race between him and Hickenlooper - Bennet's base seems like it would be rather small and niche and he hardly has a chance with anyone in the Progressive Wing who pays any attention to individual Senator's voting records.

I remember him also being mentioned by Obama as a potential presidential candidate, which really surprised me at the time. I wonder if Patrick doesn't end up running, whether or not Obamaworld will throw its weight behind Bennet.

I doubt it, Bennet voted for Gorsuch. 

Based on Bennet's 2016 reelection numbers which mirrored the numbers of the Democratic Party in the state at the Congressional and Presidential level, even though he was running against a weak challenger, Bennet strikes me as a generic corporate Democrat.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: 2016 on December 04, 2018, 05:57:13 PM
Biden will make his decision (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-says-hes-the-most-qualified-person-in-the-country-to-be-president/2018/12/04/f79f56fc-f7bf-11e8-8c9a-860ce2a8148f_story.html?utm_term=.ef56490c1c56) within the next couple of months.  

More precisely, he said in the nex two months, which means that he will announce in February. And if he says that he's the most qualified, I guess that's a sign that he will run.

I don't think Biden will win the Nomination. I've read Articles out of IA that the Democrats over there want a younger Candidate.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: LabourJersey on December 04, 2018, 06:12:57 PM
There are quite a few reasons to think that Biden isn't a favorite for the nomination. He'll have to explain his Iraq war vote, work on the Crime bill, his conduct during the Anita Hill hearing, and any other policies related to the Drug War/cultural wars that would now be toxic to the 2020 Democratic primary.

Having 36 years of roll call votes is a lot to defend. Not to mention how little of the Democratic establishment will be behind him (minority leaders are going to go with Booker/Harris/Patrick, Obama people seem to like Patrick, Harris & Beto, progressives won't touch him, etc.).



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 04, 2018, 06:23:02 PM
Beto met Obama last month. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/beto-orourke-met-with-barack-obama-as-he-ponders-a-2020-presidential-campaign/2018/12/04/fa895cc8-f7fb-11e8-8d64-4e79db33382f_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.42496c4a3101)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: JG on December 04, 2018, 06:26:38 PM
Didn't see this in the last few pages:

Sen. Michael Bennet ‘Seriously Thinking’ About A 2020 Run For President (http://www.cpr.org/news/story/senator-michael-bennet-seriously-thinking-about-2020-presidential-run) (Bente Bierkeland, Colorado Public Radio)

I wasn't expecting this. I know Bennet has voiced frustration with the culture of the Senate, but I would have figured he would have left for agency work or private sector work before trying a Presidential run. It'd be pretty interesting seeing a race between him and Hickenlooper - Bennet's base seems like it would be rather small and niche and he hardly has a chance with anyone in the Progressive Wing who pays any attention to individual Senator's voting records.

I remember him also being mentioned by Obama as a potential presidential candidate, which really surprised me at the time. I wonder if Patrick doesn't end up running, whether or not Obamaworld will throw its weight behind Bennet.

I doubt it, Bennet voted for Gorsuch. 

Based on Bennet's 2016 reelection numbers which mirrored the numbers of the Democratic Party in the state at the Congressional and Presidential level, even though he was running against a weak challenger, Bennet strikes me as a generic corporate Democrat.

I mean, so does Patrick, which doesn't seem to stop Obamaworld to prop him up.



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Comrade Funk on December 04, 2018, 07:30:48 PM
Beto met Obama last month. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/beto-orourke-met-with-barack-obama-as-he-ponders-a-2020-presidential-campaign/2018/12/04/fa895cc8-f7fb-11e8-8d64-4e79db33382f_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.42496c4a3101)
Yea. I'm sure Barack is smart enough to realize Beto is the one.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: lfromnj on December 04, 2018, 07:32:00 PM
Beto met Obama last month. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/beto-orourke-met-with-barack-obama-as-he-ponders-a-2020-presidential-campaign/2018/12/04/fa895cc8-f7fb-11e8-8d64-4e79db33382f_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.42496c4a3101)
Yea. I'm sure Barack is smart enough to realize Beto is the one.

but rahm emanuel told me not to promote losers.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Thunder98 🇮🇱 🤝 🇵🇸 on December 04, 2018, 07:43:42 PM
Micheal Bennet is considering a 2020 run.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/419662-colorados-michael-bennet-considering-2020-white-house-run-report (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/419662-colorados-michael-bennet-considering-2020-white-house-run-report)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: scutosaurus on December 04, 2018, 08:06:54 PM
Didn't see this in the last few pages:

Sen. Michael Bennet ‘Seriously Thinking’ About A 2020 Run For President (http://www.cpr.org/news/story/senator-michael-bennet-seriously-thinking-about-2020-presidential-run) (Bente Bierkeland, Colorado Public Radio)

I wasn't expecting this. I know Bennet has voiced frustration with the culture of the Senate, but I would have figured he would have left for agency work or private sector work before trying a Presidential run. It'd be pretty interesting seeing a race between him and Hickenlooper - Bennet's base seems like it would be rather small and niche and he hardly has a chance with anyone in the Progressive Wing who pays any attention to individual Senator's voting records.

I remember him also being mentioned by Obama as a potential presidential candidate, which really surprised me at the time. I wonder if Patrick doesn't end up running, whether or not Obamaworld will throw its weight behind Bennet.

I doubt it, Bennet voted for Gorsuch. 

Based on Bennet's 2016 reelection numbers which mirrored the numbers of the Democratic Party in the state at the Congressional and Presidential level, even though he was running against a weak challenger, Bennet strikes me as a generic corporate Democrat.

Bennet did not vote for Gorsuch. He voted for cloture, but did not vote for the nomination. Those are not the same thing.

Bennet is my number one choice for the Democratic nomination in 2020, and has been ever since 2016. If he runs, I will be absolutely ecstatic.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: lfromnj on December 04, 2018, 09:56:56 PM
Sorry guys
Dems lost the race


They can't win

https://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/news/2018/12/03/montana-senator-jon-tester-dismisses-encouragement-run-president-rachel-maddow/2196619002/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Jon Tester on December 04, 2018, 10:50:50 PM

I was thinking the other day about how Heidi Heitkamp would be an interesting VP for Harris or Booker.  It would certainly balance the ticket, maybe a bit too much though.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: CherokeeDem on December 05, 2018, 12:36:44 AM
Jon Tester just confirmed that Bullock is running for MT-SEN not for president.

https://twitter.com/ChazNuttycombe/status/1070187588361879552


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: lfromnj on December 05, 2018, 12:43:16 AM

I was thinking the other day about how Heidi Heitkamp would be an interesting VP for Harris or Booker.  It would certainly balance the ticket, maybe a bit too much though.
A bit moderate but I think excluding the far left most Dems would accept her?
She raised like 20 million due to her political courage.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 05, 2018, 12:51:50 AM
Biden will make his decision (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-says-hes-the-most-qualified-person-in-the-country-to-be-president/2018/12/04/f79f56fc-f7bf-11e8-8c9a-860ce2a8148f_story.html?utm_term=.ef56490c1c56) within the next couple of months. 

Specifically, he says “six weeks to two months”.

Mark Cuban says running for president would be “the definition of bad parenting”, yet he might do it anyway:

https://www.businessinsider.com/mark-cuban-on-2020-its-bad-parenting-to-run-for-president-but-well-see-2018-12?r=UK&IR=T

In other billionaire presidential candidate news:

https://www.postandcourier.com/politics/billionaire-tom-steyer-says-he-is-willing-to-run-for/article_6076177a-f7e2-11e8-8782-6ff5a09470f4.html

Quote
Billionaire liberal activist Tom Steyer said he will make a decision about a future 2020 presidential bid in the next few months but he already seems more than comfortable with the idea.

“I am willing to do anything,” Steyer said Tuesday at the Mills House Wyndham Grand Hotel in Charleston. “This is not about me. This is not about my personal ambition. I am extremely ambitious to be part of the group of people to get this country back on a decent path: prosperous, equitable and safe.”

Steyer leaned forward in his seat and repeated, “Extremely ambitious to be part of this group of people, and I will do anything to do that.”

Even run for president?

“Yes,” Steyer said in a one-on-one interview with The Post and Courier. “But it’s not about me.”

And in yet more billionaire candidate news, Bloomberg was in Iowa today:

https://www.radioiowa.com/2018/12/04/bloomberg-discusses-objectives-of-possible-2020-presidential-bid/

Quote
Late this afternoon, Bloomberg spoke with Radio Iowa for nearly 20 minutes, sketching out the purpose of a possible presidential campaign.

“You work hard,” Bloomberg said. “If it works, it works and if it doesn’t, it doesn’t, but my main objective would be to try to focus everybody on the main issues facing this country.”
.
.
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In addition to climate change, Bloomberg cited issues like his support of abortion rights and initiatives to reduce tobacco use.  If he does run for president, Bloomberg told Radio Iowa he will either place his company in a blind trust or sell it.

“But I think at my age, if selling it is possible, I would do that,” Bloomberg said. “At some point, you’re going to die anyway, so you want to do it before then.”

And then in non-billionaire news, here’s Inslee:

Quote
”I’m not ruling out anything in 2020 at the moment. I do think that it is absolutely imperative that the Democratic Party put forth a candidate who will make climate change a principal, front-burner issue, rather than some peripheral back burner.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on December 05, 2018, 07:43:57 AM
Deval  Patrick a NO?



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on December 05, 2018, 08:14:37 AM
Deval  Patrick a NO?



Not surprising, he was very non committal earlier on. There will be more of these as the months roll on; candidates Atlas was certain would run because they were speculated too and because MUH GIANT FIELD ending up not running.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on December 05, 2018, 09:18:44 AM
Bullock not interested in Senate



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on December 05, 2018, 09:32:10 AM
Cuomo out. Avenatti out. Deval Patrick appearing to be out. Bullock is out, and now he's back in? - All in the last month or so.

Looks like it's finally 2020 time.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: WV222 on December 05, 2018, 10:33:11 AM
Cuomo out. Avenatti out. Deval Patrick appearing to be out. Bullock is out, and now he's back in? - All in the last month or so.

Looks like it's finally 2020 time.

With the craziness, I would not count Patrick fully out until he says it himself.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 05, 2018, 02:00:06 PM
Bullock not interested in Senate



Tester's also walking back his comments now, saying that he misheard the question:






Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Ye We Can on December 05, 2018, 03:11:40 PM
Bullock not interested in Senate



Tester's also walking back his comments now, saying that he misheard the question:






So basically what you're saying is Tester thought he heard "is Bullock gonna run for President?"


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on December 05, 2018, 04:22:37 PM
Everyone on Atlas' favorite Democrat Tulsi Gabbard is considering a run for President as per a source at her congressional office.

https://www.khon2.com/news/local-news/congresswoman-tulsi-gabbard-says-she-s-considering-a-run-for-president/1638140723?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&fbclid=IwAR2cSSMFhITErp6wWM50AuJR2Hk4dYO2i6AnhEzDVAjexQ-WqEdoL7YgNpo


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: aaroncd107 on December 05, 2018, 05:41:11 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/05/politics/andrew-gillum-barack-obama-meeting/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/05/politics/andrew-gillum-barack-obama-meeting/index.html)
Literally everyone is running


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on December 05, 2018, 06:10:20 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/05/politics/andrew-gillum-barack-obama-meeting/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/05/politics/andrew-gillum-barack-obama-meeting/index.html)
Literally everyone is running

Obligatory Jimmy Carter 2020 megathread.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on December 05, 2018, 07:31:54 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/05/politics/andrew-gillum-barack-obama-meeting/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/05/politics/andrew-gillum-barack-obama-meeting/index.html)
Literally everyone is running

Boo! Go away Andrew! Beto may have lost, but he lost like a martyr, same goes for Abrams. They met or exceeded expectations. Gillum couldn't even beat Ron f***ing DeSantis in a Democratic-favoring environment with all the polling on his side. He doesn't even have the excuse that Nelson may have about typical Floridian incompetence costing him votes. He needs to accept that either his charisma isn't enough to get him elected, or that he cannot get elected in a state like Florida; that would be the same case for the country as a whole.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: CookieDamage on December 06, 2018, 12:16:37 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/05/politics/andrew-gillum-barack-obama-meeting/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/05/politics/andrew-gillum-barack-obama-meeting/index.html)
Literally everyone is running

Boo! Go away Andrew! Beto may have lost, but he lost like a martyr, same goes for Abrams. They met or exceeded expectations. Gillum couldn't even beat Ron f***ing DeSantis in a Democratic-favoring environment with all the polling on his side. He doesn't even have the excuse that Nelson may have about typical Floridian incompetence costing him votes. He needs to accept that either his charisma isn't enough to get him elected, or that he cannot get elected in a state like Florida; that would be the same case for the country as a whole.

... Anyways...


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 06, 2018, 01:32:20 AM
Hickenlooper staffing up:

https://www.cpr.org/news/story/hickenlooper-staffs-up-for-possible-2020-presidential-bid

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Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper and his allies are taking new steps toward launching a presidential campaign, including interviews with dozens of potential staffers and hiring a pollster and national fundraiser, according to a person close to the Democrat.

He's already launched a political action committee that allows him to raise money nationally and hired his 2014 campaign manager, Brad Komar, to run it. Since the PAC was formed in September, Komar has done 80 interviews with possible campaign staffers, the person said. Of those, Hickenlooper has conducted or participated in 30 interviews. The operation has hired Democratic veteran Anna Greenberg as its pollster and FK & Co. as national fundraisers; it raises money for Democratic senators including Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y.

Hickenlooper isn't expected to make a formal decision on running for president until his term ends on Jan. 8. The person close to the governor requested anonymity because Hickenlooper hasn't yet formally launched his campaign.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Woody on December 06, 2018, 08:07:29 AM
Hickenlooper staffing up:

https://www.cpr.org/news/story/hickenlooper-staffs-up-for-possible-2020-presidential-bid

Quote
Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper and his allies are taking new steps toward launching a presidential campaign, including interviews with dozens of potential staffers and hiring a pollster and national fundraiser, according to a person close to the Democrat.

He's already launched a political action committee that allows him to raise money nationally and hired his 2014 campaign manager, Brad Komar, to run it. Since the PAC was formed in September, Komar has done 80 interviews with possible campaign staffers, the person said. Of those, Hickenlooper has conducted or participated in 30 interviews. The operation has hired Democratic veteran Anna Greenberg as its pollster and FK & Co. as national fundraisers; it raises money for Democratic senators including Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y.

Hickenlooper isn't expected to make a formal decision on running for president until his term ends on Jan. 8. The person close to the governor requested anonymity because Hickenlooper hasn't yet formally launched his campaign.

John Kerry 2.0


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Comrade Funk on December 06, 2018, 10:05:23 AM
Hickenlooper staffing up:

https://www.cpr.org/news/story/hickenlooper-staffs-up-for-possible-2020-presidential-bid

Quote
Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper and his allies are taking new steps toward launching a presidential campaign, including interviews with dozens of potential staffers and hiring a pollster and national fundraiser, according to a person close to the Democrat.

He's already launched a political action committee that allows him to raise money nationally and hired his 2014 campaign manager, Brad Komar, to run it. Since the PAC was formed in September, Komar has done 80 interviews with possible campaign staffers, the person said. Of those, Hickenlooper has conducted or participated in 30 interviews. The operation has hired Democratic veteran Anna Greenberg as its pollster and FK & Co. as national fundraisers; it raises money for Democratic senators including Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y.

Hickenlooper isn't expected to make a formal decision on running for president until his term ends on Jan. 8. The person close to the governor requested anonymity because Hickenlooper hasn't yet formally launched his campaign.

John Kerry 2.0
John Kerry won the nomination. Hickenlooper isn't making it to Iowa. More like Vilsack 2.0.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 06, 2018, 11:18:38 AM
Bloomberg to release an updated version of his biography on Jan. 7th:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/420006-updated-bloomberg-biography-to-be-released-amid-2020-speculation

Latest on Biden:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/12/joe-biden-will-decide-soon-running-president/577447/

Quote
Already, the timeline Biden had set appears to be shifting. He said he would decide by the beginning of 2019, but now people around him note that he, like everyone else, had been expecting the race to be moving more by now, so he may take a little more time into the year to see how the field shapes up.

But the tenor of conversations with donors and supporters has intensified in recent weeks. As much as he wants to defer a decision to the Biden clan’s famous group holiday vacation, they are telling him and his small group of aides that things need to get going.

“If you’re going to run for president, you’ve got to start having meetings,” one supportive donor said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on December 06, 2018, 12:44:35 PM
This is moving a lot slower than any of us expected. Maybe the field won't be as large as intially thought? Probably closer to 15 than 20


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on December 06, 2018, 03:48:36 PM
If Trump nominates Barr for AG, Biden’s past praise and vote for him will definitely be an issue.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: aaroncd107 on December 06, 2018, 04:03:55 PM
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/editorials/2018/12/07/deval-patrick-knew-when-call-quits-presidential-bid-other-political-figures-should-take-note/nOLcrzE5xTQgfXpPMKrUZM/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/editorials/2018/12/07/deval-patrick-knew-when-call-quits-presidential-bid-other-political-figures-should-take-note/nOLcrzE5xTQgfXpPMKrUZM/story.html)

Big oof for Liz Warren


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on December 06, 2018, 04:09:09 PM
Pete Buttigieg is teasing an announcement through his dog’s twitter account



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on December 06, 2018, 04:33:02 PM
Lol at this CNBC article mentioning how ❤❤Brown❤❤ is considering a run but not the guy who's basically already been running for a year. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/06/sherrod-brown-jeff-merkley-want-to-block-lawmakers-from-buying-selling-stock.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: America Needs R'hllor on December 06, 2018, 04:35:35 PM
Pete Buttigieg is teasing an announcement through his dog’s twitter account



Oh my god that account is awesome. MAYOR PETE FTW


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on December 06, 2018, 04:42:33 PM
This is moving a lot slower than any of us expected. Maybe the field won't be as large as intially thought? Probably closer to 15 than 20

I just think a lot of candidates are just realizing that announcing now isn't really that much of a leg up compared to announcing in the spring, and if a major candidate announced now, all that would happen is all the major candidates announce now. Nobody wants to add a few months to the process to get no real advantage from it.

The field was never gonna be this two-dozen+ s*itfest where every member of congress and their mom runs that everybody thought it was gonna be though. Still probably approaching 20 though.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: aaroncd107 on December 06, 2018, 05:46:25 PM
Pete Buttigieg is teasing an announcement through his dog’s twitter account




Wonder what this could be? Just a gag? Doesn’t seem like Pete (or anyone) would announce he’s running without organizing some kind of a rally... Re-election for mayor? Announcement of an announcement speech?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on December 06, 2018, 05:48:44 PM
If he's just getting a second dog I would not be mad.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on December 06, 2018, 05:59:52 PM
Pete Buttigieg is teasing an announcement through his dog’s twitter account




Wonder what this could be? Just a gag? Doesn’t seem like Pete (or anyone) would announce he’s running without organizing some kind of a rally... Re-election for mayor? Announcement of an announcement speech?

I'm trying to imagine a world where a presidential candidate's staff advised that the candidate's dog's Twitter should be used to hype up the announcement, but I just can't.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: kyc0705 on December 06, 2018, 06:11:08 PM
Pete Buttigieg is teasing an announcement through his dog’s twitter account




Wonder what this could be? Just a gag? Doesn’t seem like Pete (or anyone) would announce he’s running without organizing some kind of a rally... Re-election for mayor? Announcement of an announcement speech?

I'm trying to imagine a world where a presidential candidate's staff advised that the candidate's dog's Twitter should be used to hype up the announcement, but I just can't.

Clearly the news is that the dog is running for President.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on December 06, 2018, 06:16:33 PM
Pete Buttigieg is teasing an announcement through his dog’s twitter account




Wonder what this could be? Just a gag? Doesn’t seem like Pete (or anyone) would announce he’s running without organizing some kind of a rally... Re-election for mayor? Announcement of an announcement speech?

Can we have a live thread for this please thnx


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on December 06, 2018, 06:17:02 PM
Hickenlooper staffing up:

https://www.cpr.org/news/story/hickenlooper-staffs-up-for-possible-2020-presidential-bid

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Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper and his allies are taking new steps toward launching a presidential campaign, including interviews with dozens of potential staffers and hiring a pollster and national fundraiser, according to a person close to the Democrat.

He's already launched a political action committee that allows him to raise money nationally and hired his 2014 campaign manager, Brad Komar, to run it. Since the PAC was formed in September, Komar has done 80 interviews with possible campaign staffers, the person said. Of those, Hickenlooper has conducted or participated in 30 interviews. The operation has hired Democratic veteran Anna Greenberg as its pollster and FK & Co. as national fundraisers; it raises money for Democratic senators including Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y.

Hickenlooper isn't expected to make a formal decision on running for president until his term ends on Jan. 8. The person close to the governor requested anonymity because Hickenlooper hasn't yet formally launched his campaign.

John Kerry 2.0
John Kerry won the nomination. Hickenlooper isn't making it to Iowa. More like Vilsack 2.0.

That's an insult to Vilsack.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on December 06, 2018, 07:05:51 PM
Mayor Pete Buttigieg has announced that he has adopted a 2nd dog.




Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on December 06, 2018, 07:41:06 PM
But what does this MEAN for 2020? Explain with maps.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on December 06, 2018, 07:58:44 PM
I have to be honest, Buttigieg went up on my list for making such an endearing, amusing tease like that.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Ye We Can on December 06, 2018, 08:18:36 PM
Mayor Pete Buttigieg has announced that he has adopted a 2nd dog.




God I hate this man


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: LAKISYLVANIA on December 06, 2018, 08:35:47 PM
Wow, i like Buttigieg.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 07, 2018, 01:13:34 AM
This is moving a lot slower than any of us expected. Maybe the field won't be as large as intially thought? Probably closer to 15 than 20

Really?  I’d say it’s moving right at about the pace I was expecting.  Were you thinking there would be a bunch of candidate announcements by now?  Because those didn’t happen in the last two presidential cycles until around March and April.  With the modern campaign finance system, it doesn’t necessarily make sense to announce this early.  If you have a PAC, you can just have your PAC fund your travels around the country, and serve as a pseudo-campaign.  Once you formally launch your campaign, that campaign is subject to fundraising limits, and you don’t want to burn through $ too quickly.

I'm actually surprised that someone as major as Kamala Harris is talking about deciding over the holidays (which then potentially means an announcement as early as January?).  I don't know if she'll actually follow through on that, but if she does that puts us ahead of the 2016 schedule.

As for how big the field will be, I still think it might end up being ~20, but honestly it depends on who you’re counting.  Does every candidate, even those who’ve never held office and might not ever actually be included in polls, count?  E.g., does Ojeda count?  Would Marianne Williamson count?  If so, then I think the field will be huge.


In other news….Sherrod Brown ally creates “The Committee to Draft Sherrod Brown for President 2020”:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/henrygomez/sherrod-brown-2020-presidential-campaign-pac

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The Committee to Draft Sherrod Brown for President 2020 was incorporated last week by Michael Wager, according to a filing with the Ohio secretary of state’s office.

Wager is Brown’s former campaign finance chair and a prominent Democratic attorney in Cleveland. He declined to comment on the record when reached Thursday by BuzzFeed News.

Brown has said he is thinking about running in 2020 but has set no timetable for making a decision. The draft committee’s existence is a sign that his supporters are preparing for a campaign. Once formally registered with the Federal Election Commission — a step that hadn’t been taken as of Thursday afternoon — the group could raise money to help elevate Brown’s profile nationally and in early caucus and primary states such as Iowa and New Hampshire.


Bloomberg met with some top state Democrats while in Iowa:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/06/michael-bloomberg-2020-iowa-democrats-1048159

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Billionaire Michael Bloomberg held a series of private meetings with top Iowa Democrats this week during a multi-city swing through the first presidential state, a sign that the former New York City mayor is taking a hard look at a 2020 campaign.

Bloomberg met with Iowa’s Democratic Party chair Troy Price on Wednesday, Price confirmed to POLITICO. He also met with former Iowa governor Tom Vilsack — a one-time presidential contender himself — earlier this week, as well as with longtime Iowa Attorney General Tom Miller.
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But Bloomberg, who spent more than $100 million in 2018 to help Democratic campaigns, also took clear steps to test the state’s political waters. In addition to sitting with top party officials, Bloomberg had discussions with Democratic stakeholders in different parts of the state, including in Cedar Rapids and Des Moines, where he asked questions about the state’s political landscape and caucus dynamics.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 07, 2018, 08:07:17 AM
While Harris got some media attention for hinting at an early decision (after talking to friends and family over the holidays....which could imply a campaign announcement as early as January), the AP says several others are also eyeing early (maybe January) announcements, at least of exploratory committees.....namely Warren, Booker, Hickenlooper, and Gillibrand:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/dems-primary-debate-may

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For those preparing candidacies, activity is picking up. While she has yet to make a final decision, Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren is laying the groundwork for an early launch — potentially by year’s end but more likely in January. New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker, Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper and New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand are also lining up for early launches.
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Another well-funded set, including Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, Texas Rep. Beto O’Rourke, Bloomberg and Steyer, believe they can afford to wait slightly longer to announce their intentions given their fundraising prowess.

Others may need to soon form presidential exploratory committees to access millions of dollars locked in their Senate campaign accounts to pay for travel, consulting and polling related to a possible White House bid. That’s especially true for Warren, Gillibrand, O’Rourke, Oregon Sen. Jeff Merkley and Ohio Sen. Sherrod Brown.

[Ummmm....why is O'Rourke listed in both groups?  :P ]

Also, O'Rourke's only hesitation is not wanting to spend so much more time away from his family:

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O’Rourke, who smashed fundraising records this year in his failed Texas Senate bid, is discussing a possible 2020 run with his family, according to people with direct knowledge of his thinking. He feels the only drawback to running would be another prolonged period away from his wife and three children.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️ on December 07, 2018, 09:52:33 AM
Also, O'Rourke's only hesitation is not wanting to spend so much more time away from his family:

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O’Rourke, who smashed fundraising records this year in his failed Texas Senate bid, is discussing a possible 2020 run with his family, according to people with direct knowledge of his thinking. He feels the only drawback to running would be another prolonged period away from his wife and three children.

So, Beto is obviously running.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sir Mohamed on December 07, 2018, 09:53:41 AM
Also, O'Rourke's only hesitation is not wanting to spend so much more time away from his family:

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O’Rourke, who smashed fundraising records this year in his failed Texas Senate bid, is discussing a possible 2020 run with his family, according to people with direct knowledge of his thinking. He feels the only drawback to running would be another prolonged period away from his wife and three children.

So, Beto is obviously running.

Yes, because this is his chance. He may never get a better chance than now.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: lfromnj on December 07, 2018, 10:01:24 AM
Also, O'Rourke's only hesitation is not wanting to spend so much more time away from his family:

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O’Rourke, who smashed fundraising records this year in his failed Texas Senate bid, is discussing a possible 2020 run with his family, according to people with direct knowledge of his thinking. He feels the only drawback to running would be another prolonged period away from his wife and three children.

So, Beto is obviously running.

Yes, because this is his chance. He may never get a better chance than now.

The interesting part about Beto is that people are actually asking him to run rather than him announcing. Its clear that Harris Gillibrand and Booker have always marked interest. They have a base of supporters but those supporters aren't die hard and don't care that much. The enthusiastic support he gets should help in Iowa.
Btw does anyone have Beto's numbers on African Americans in Texas?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Jon Tester on December 07, 2018, 07:07:40 PM
IMO: The three frontrunners right now are:
Biden
Harris
Beto

Sherrod seems to be picking up name recognition though.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on December 07, 2018, 07:39:47 PM
Pretty hilarious article about Eric Swalwell

https://splinternews.com/thirsty-forgettable-congressman-willing-to-hop-on-pret-1830934772


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on December 07, 2018, 08:32:47 PM
IMO: The three frontrunners right now are:
Biden
Harris
Beto

Sherrod seems to be picking up name recognition though.

Pretty much, though Bernie's polling is generally comparable to Harris'.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 08, 2018, 12:27:13 AM
CNN talks about the staffing prep by several of the campaigns-in-waiting:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/06/politics/democrats-2020-gear-up-behind-the-scenes/index.html

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Some, like Sens. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Kamala Harris of California, are expected to launch bids and their advisers are fielding countless résumés from Democratic operatives looking to line up for the 2020 fight.

Warren's staff, according to a source close to the senator, has already had "extensive discussions" with early state operatives, while Warren herself has made frequent calls to political and grass-roots leaders in early states, ensuring that those political leaders know she is leaning into a possible presidential bid.

Harris, according to a source close to her, has made calls to potential early state and national operatives who are interested in working for her possible campaign and has met with a few potential operatives in person. The source described the conversations as discussions about her potential candidacy and each operative's specific possible role with the campaign.
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Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper is aggressively looking to lock in a possible team and has personally interviewed 30 prospective aides and advisers for a potential 2020 run, a source close to the governor tells CNN. His leadership PAC -- Giddy Up PAC -- has interviewed an additional 50 people for possible 2020 roles, the source added. A Democrat who has talked to Hickenlooper's team said they are flying people to Denver to conduct final interviews in person.

The same is true for former Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Julian Castro, who Democratic operatives say is almost certainly running for President. He has reached out to a series of Texas-based and national Democrats to put together the outlines a team for his eventual announcement, multiple Democrats said.

In other news, The Intercept has an interview with Sherrod Brown, and here are his 2020 comments:

https://theintercept.com/2018/12/06/is-this-the-democrat-who-can-beat-trump-in-the-rust-belt-in-2020/

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Q: The 2020 Democratic campaign is about to kick off in earnest in a few months’ time with people declaring whether they’re running or not. At least 20 Democrats or more might run for the nomination. Will you be one of them Senator Brown?

Brown: I don’t know. I really never – I was talking to Senator Casey about this today. I’ve never really thought about seriously by running for president ever. I mean people said you ought to run. You hear that as a politician all the time, if you can put a sentence together, somebody will tell you to run for president. But since the election it all changed and I heard from, we’ve heard from – my wife and I have been overwhelmed by how many big-name Democrats and just activist, labor leaders, labor activists, voters, whatever in Ohio and across the country have said “You really should think about running for president.” And so. we’re thinking about it. I don’t know.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: CookieDamage on December 08, 2018, 02:44:22 AM
Also, O'Rourke's only hesitation is not wanting to spend so much more time away from his family:

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O’Rourke, who smashed fundraising records this year in his failed Texas Senate bid, is discussing a possible 2020 run with his family, according to people with direct knowledge of his thinking. He feels the only drawback to running would be another prolonged period away from his wife and three children.

So, Beto is obviously running.

Yes, because this is his chance. He may never get a better chance than now.

The interesting part about Beto is that people are actually asking him to run rather than him announcing. Its clear that Harris Gillibrand and Booker have always marked interest. They have a base of supporters but those supporters aren't die hard and don't care that much. The enthusiastic support he gets should help in Iowa.
Btw does anyone have Beto's numbers on African Americans in Texas?

Citation needed.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: President Johnson on December 08, 2018, 06:23:49 AM
IMO: The three frontrunners right now are:
Biden
Harris
Beto

Sherrod seems to be picking up name recognition though.

Pretty much, though Bernie's polling is generally comparable to Harris'.

Current polling doesn't suggest Harris a frontrunner. I have a feeling she'll be the Democratic Scott Walker.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on December 08, 2018, 12:51:11 PM
Also, O'Rourke's only hesitation is not wanting to spend so much more time away from his family:

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O’Rourke, who smashed fundraising records this year in his failed Texas Senate bid, is discussing a possible 2020 run with his family, according to people with direct knowledge of his thinking. He feels the only drawback to running would be another prolonged period away from his wife and three children.

So, Beto is obviously running.

Yes, because this is his chance. He may never get a better chance than now.

The interesting part about Beto is that people are actually asking him to run rather than him announcing. Its clear that Harris Gillibrand and Booker have always marked interest. They have a base of supporters but those supporters aren't die hard and don't care that much. The enthusiastic support he gets should help in Iowa.
Btw does anyone have Beto's numbers on African Americans in Texas?

Citation needed.

Even if you are a huge fan of any of them, it's not debatable that nobody gets excited for Booker, Harris, or Gillibrand nearly as much as O'Rourke.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️ on December 08, 2018, 12:54:03 PM
Current polling doesn't suggest Harris a frontrunner. I have a feeling she'll be the Democratic Scott Walker.

Yeah, on paper (i.e. demographically) she should be a really strong candidate. But for a Senator from California (which should be enough to get her a few % in the national polls) she is not polling well so far. Of course, the campaign hasn't even started, so she has some time. But she is not going to start out as a front runner. She will have to earn it.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 08, 2018, 06:40:04 PM
Sanders was on Colbert this week, and at about the 3:10 mark of this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxEIZEP5Ptw

Colbert asks him about 2020, and he gives a non-answer.

Booker’s in New Hampshire today, and said this about 2020:

http://ktar.com/story/2346086/booker-trip-to-new-hampshire-possible-preview-for-2020/

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Booker, who’s said in recent weeks that he’ll take the holiday season to assess whether to run for the White House in 2020, told The Associated Press that the trip is “really helpful to me in understanding what a potential presidential campaign would be about.”

He added that coming to New Hampshire makes “me feel a lot more centered, a lot more grounded, and a lot more confident in making decisions going forward.”

Booker said he had “no specific timeline” to make a presidential campaign announcement. He said he first wants to get through the lame duck congressional session, in which he’s one of the leaders trying to pass bipartisan justice reform legislation.

After that, he said, “I really need to sit down, take a deep breath . and really focus on my sense of purpose.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 08, 2018, 09:01:30 PM
NYT on Booker's NH travel. (https://t.co/p1utUKyWXu)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on December 08, 2018, 11:57:38 PM
IMO: The three frontrunners right now are:
Biden
Harris
Beto

Sherrod seems to be picking up name recognition though.

Pretty much, though Bernie's polling is generally comparable to Harris'.

Current polling doesn't suggest Harris a frontrunner. I have a feeling she'll be the Democratic Scott Walker.

She'll probably end up being the Running-mate of either of the other two.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 09, 2018, 01:18:00 AM
Apparently there’s no momentum in the Oregon legislature for the bill that would make it legal for Merkley to run for president and Senate simultaneously, and Merkley says he’s fine with that:

https://twitter.com/JeffMerkley/status/1071207393965498368

Of course, because of Oregon’s late primary, it would still be possible for Merkley to run in the early presidential primaries, and then, if he doesn’t make it into the top tier, drop out of the race and run for reelection for Senate instead.

In other news, Warren’s latest comments on 2020:

https://www.bostonherald.com/2018/12/08/sen-elizabeth-warren-wont-reveal-2020-plans/

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“There’s no special timeline for this [the 2020 decision],” said Warren. “I’m just trying to work through it.”

From a story about the fundraising for Inslee’s PAC:

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/gov-jay-inslees-new-pac-raises-112000-as-he-actively-considers-presidential-run/

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In an interview with The Seattle Times and public radio’s Northwest News Network, Inslee stressed he has yet to make up his mind, but said he is “actively considering” a White House run – and made an argument for his viability as a candidate who’d make 2020 a referendum on fighting climate change.
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But Inslee pointed to Wednesday’s funeral for former President George H.W. Bush, noting two former presidents who sat in the front pew, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, “were pretty much unknown governors of small states” before they ran for president.

“So this is a wide-open field. No one has a lock on this. No one has a total crystal ball as to what the nation wants,” Inslee said. “But I’ve expressed a vision that is based on both a present recognition of an existential threat to our nation and a track record of economic success and vitality that is based on policies that we know work. Because I’ve done it.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Coldstream on December 09, 2018, 03:28:29 AM
Apparently there’s no momentum in the Oregon legislature for the bill that would make it legal for Merkley to run for president and Senate simultaneously, and Merkley says he’s fine with that:

https://twitter.com/JeffMerkley/status/1071207393965498368

Of course, because of Oregon’s late primary, it would still be possible for Merkley to run in the early presidential primaries, and then, if he doesn’t make it into the top tier, drop out of the race and run for reelection for Senate instead.



I wonder, is this because Merkley isn’t that popular in the legislature - or ambitious Oregon Democrats want to force him out of the Senate race so they themselves can run?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 09, 2018, 08:39:05 AM
Long NYT on Beto. (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/09/us/politics/beto-2020-presidential-race.html)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 09, 2018, 08:31:24 PM
I still think Biden sounds like someone who is, more likely than not, going to pass on another presidential run.  He talks about wanting to stay “engaged” in public life, but also says that he wants to spend as much time as he can with his family in his remaining years.  He could “stay engaged” without actually running for president.  Anyway, here are the latest quotes:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/09/joe-biden-2020-vermont-bernie-sanders-1054071

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Novelist Jodi Picoult asked Biden how he wanted to spend the rest of his life. The former vice president said only that he would keep his promise to his late son, Beau, to stay involved in public life.

“I gave my word, as his dad, that I’d stay engaged,” said Biden.

He added, however, that he also wants to “spend as much time as I can with my family.”

Long NYT on Beto. (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/09/us/politics/beto-2020-presidential-race.html)

Some relevant excerpts:

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As he and a small team of aides weigh the merits of a campaign, Mr. O’Rourke, 46, has focused largely on whether he could run the kind of race he did in Texas — barnstorming towns with a liberal message and a perpetual social media live-stream, talking up his disdain for pollsters and super PACs and staking his bid on a personal connection with voters as much as any issue platform.

There are several questions Mr. O’Rourke is considering aloud, a person close to him said: Could he build a full-scale national campaign without losing the down-home feel that powered his Senate bid, when fans tracked his 254-county tour of Texas (down to the four-hour drives and late-night burger runs) on a near-constant video feed? Would a hope-and-change chorus find an audience in a primary with other Democrats — and without an easy Republican foil like Mr. Cruz?
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In private, Mr. O’Rourke is doing little to discourage his suitors. When one well-connected Democrat asked Mr. O’Rourke what to tell operatives who hope to work for him, the congressman said to have them contact him on his cellphone, according to a party official directly familiar with the exchange.

In other news, Chris Murphy not closing the door:

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"I just got reelected and I don’t think that, frankly, I need to run for president to make a difference for my state or the country," Murphy told ABC's "This Week," when asked if he was considering a White House bid. 

"But I'll say this, I think in 2020 we need a candidate who is 100 percent authentic, who is tough, and who can challenge this president on both domestic policy and foreign policy and I’m simply going to make sure that we have a candidate that fits that bill.”

And finally, O’Malley hasn’t been making much noise since the midterms.  But he does a ~20 minute long interview (over Skype from his home) here:

https://freespeech.org/stories/the-jeff-santos-show-episode-10/

He still sounds very much like he’s in “candidate” mode.  I still have to think he’s going to run, despite keeping a lower profile than most of the rest of the field.  What else is he going to do with his life if not run for president?  If he didn't want to run for president again, then why bother doing interviews like this?  Why not just leave the spotlight and go sit on some corporate board?  Maybe he’ll just run a Jim Gilmore-esque campaign, where he runs for president while rarely leaving his living room, since his campaign has no $.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: CookieDamage on December 09, 2018, 08:38:40 PM
Also, O'Rourke's only hesitation is not wanting to spend so much more time away from his family:

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O’Rourke, who smashed fundraising records this year in his failed Texas Senate bid, is discussing a possible 2020 run with his family, according to people with direct knowledge of his thinking. He feels the only drawback to running would be another prolonged period away from his wife and three children.

So, Beto is obviously running.

Yes, because this is his chance. He may never get a better chance than now.

The interesting part about Beto is that people are actually asking him to run rather than him announcing. Its clear that Harris Gillibrand and Booker have always marked interest. They have a base of supporters but those supporters aren't die hard and don't care that much. The enthusiastic support he gets should help in Iowa.
Btw does anyone have Beto's numbers on African Americans in Texas?

Citation needed.

Even if you are a huge fan of any of them, it's not debatable that nobody gets excited for Booker, Harris, or Gillibrand nearly as much as O'Rourke.

Okay. Citation needed since you didn't give me one. Nobody is a strong word.

Current polling doesn't suggest Harris a frontrunner. I have a feeling she'll be the Democratic Scott Walker.

Yeah, on paper (i.e. demographically) she should be a really strong candidate. But for a Senator from California (which should be enough to get her a few % in the national polls) she is not polling well so far. Of course, the campaign hasn't even started, so she has some time. But she is not going to start out as a front runner. She will have to earn it.

The race hasn't started yet and she still doesn't have name recognition that matches Beto's hype. Once she and everyone announces, that will change and her polling numbers will rise. Y'alls hope that she is the next Scott Walker is pretty obviously wishful thinking since she is a formidable opponent to the sacred cow that is Beto. Weren't most of you making fun of Republicans for slamming Beto and accused them of doing so out of fear because they know he'd beat Trump? Well the growing Beto Bro dismissal of Kamala sure looks similar.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️ on December 09, 2018, 09:20:09 PM
The race hasn't started yet and she still doesn't have name recognition that matches Beto's hype. Once she and everyone announces, that will change and her polling numbers will rise. Y'alls hope that she is the next Scott Walker is pretty obviously wishful thinking since she is a formidable opponent to the sacred cow that is Beto. Weren't most of you making fun of Republicans for slamming Beto and accused them of doing so out of fear because they know he'd beat Trump? Well the growing Beto Bro dismissal of Kamala sure looks similar.

For the record, I have no particular problem with Harris at the moment. The only thing I don't particularly like about her is that she is the shortest candidate (only 5 feet 2 inches tall), and that is a minor and pretty negligible electability concern.

My statements with regards to Beto are no more and no less than statements of fact - he will be the nominee.

They are not statements of support, per se (and also are not statements of opposition). I might vote for Beto, but I very well might vote for someone else in the primary.

Regardless, who I support and vote for is all but immaterial to the fact that Beto is the nominee - my single vote won't make a difference amidst the sea of mass Betomania.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Comrade Funk on December 09, 2018, 09:28:25 PM
Kamala Harris underrated. She's more personable than people give her credit for. Obviously not Beto level, but I think she gives a pretty good stump speech. I hope she's on the ticket.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on December 09, 2018, 10:37:50 PM
Also, O'Rourke's only hesitation is not wanting to spend so much more time away from his family:

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O’Rourke, who smashed fundraising records this year in his failed Texas Senate bid, is discussing a possible 2020 run with his family, according to people with direct knowledge of his thinking. He feels the only drawback to running would be another prolonged period away from his wife and three children.

So, Beto is obviously running.

Yes, because this is his chance. He may never get a better chance than now.

The interesting part about Beto is that people are actually asking him to run rather than him announcing. Its clear that Harris Gillibrand and Booker have always marked interest. They have a base of supporters but those supporters aren't die hard and don't care that much. The enthusiastic support he gets should help in Iowa.
Btw does anyone have Beto's numbers on African Americans in Texas?

Citation needed.

Even if you are a huge fan of any of them, it's not debatable that nobody gets excited for Booker, Harris, or Gillibrand nearly as much as O'Rourke.

Okay. Citation needed since you didn't give me one. Nobody is a strong word.

(I messed up the formatting, this is what I said)
Obviously I'm using hyperbole, but fine I'll take the bait. How about the fact that in the Harvard-Harris poll O'Rourke is polling 3/4, only behind people with way more name recognition, despite getting well known on the political scene only a couple months ago?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: lfromnj on December 09, 2018, 10:44:39 PM
Also, O'Rourke's only hesitation is not wanting to spend so much more time away from his family:

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O’Rourke, who smashed fundraising records this year in his failed Texas Senate bid, is discussing a possible 2020 run with his family, according to people with direct knowledge of his thinking. He feels the only drawback to running would be another prolonged period away from his wife and three children.

So, Beto is obviously running.

Yes, because this is his chance. He may never get a better chance than now.

The interesting part about Beto is that people are actually asking him to run rather than him announcing. Its clear that Harris Gillibrand and Booker have always marked interest. They have a base of supporters but those supporters aren't die hard and don't care that much. The enthusiastic support he gets should help in Iowa.
Btw does anyone have Beto's numbers on African Americans in Texas?

Citation needed.

Even if you are a huge fan of any of them, it's not debatable that nobody gets excited for Booker, Harris, or Gillibrand nearly as much as O'Rourke.

Okay. Citation needed since you didn't give me one. Nobody is a strong word.

Obviously I'm using hyperbole, but fine I'll take the bait. How about the fact that in the Harvard-Harris poll O'Rourke is polling 3/4, only behind people with way more name recognition, despite getting well known on the political scene only a couple months ago?
Nobody is a bit harsh but from talking with my dem friends it seems like the senator dems (besides bernie who is a bit weirder) all have the same profile of being relatively interchangeable people who live in safe blue state that will never vOTE anything trump supports(even non controversial stuff) despite all being relatively moderate earlier in their life. All these candidates are similar and besides us junkies no one notices a difference. Beto may have a similar vibe with the moderate part but a lot of people ik respect his suicide run.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: CookieDamage on December 10, 2018, 01:42:52 AM
Also, O'Rourke's only hesitation is not wanting to spend so much more time away from his family:

Quote
O’Rourke, who smashed fundraising records this year in his failed Texas Senate bid, is discussing a possible 2020 run with his family, according to people with direct knowledge of his thinking. He feels the only drawback to running would be another prolonged period away from his wife and three children.

So, Beto is obviously running.

Yes, because this is his chance. He may never get a better chance than now.

The interesting part about Beto is that people are actually asking him to run rather than him announcing. Its clear that Harris Gillibrand and Booker have always marked interest. They have a base of supporters but those supporters aren't die hard and don't care that much. The enthusiastic support he gets should help in Iowa.
Btw does anyone have Beto's numbers on African Americans in Texas?

Citation needed.

Even if you are a huge fan of any of them, it's not debatable that nobody gets excited for Booker, Harris, or Gillibrand nearly as much as O'Rourke.

Okay. Citation needed since you didn't give me one. Nobody is a strong word.

Obviously I'm using hyperbole, but fine I'll take the bait. How about the fact that in the Harvard-Harris poll O'Rourke is polling 3/4, only behind people with way more name recognition, despite getting well known on the political scene only a couple months ago?

A poll in December 2018 for primaries that won't start till January 2020? Yeah, I'll pass on buying those. And Beto made waves for himself in the Senate race, doesn't translate to him beating every one else easily in 2020.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on December 10, 2018, 08:49:13 AM
Also, O'Rourke's only hesitation is not wanting to spend so much more time away from his family:

Quote
O’Rourke, who smashed fundraising records this year in his failed Texas Senate bid, is discussing a possible 2020 run with his family, according to people with direct knowledge of his thinking. He feels the only drawback to running would be another prolonged period away from his wife and three children.

So, Beto is obviously running.

Yes, because this is his chance. He may never get a better chance than now.

The interesting part about Beto is that people are actually asking him to run rather than him announcing. Its clear that Harris Gillibrand and Booker have always marked interest. They have a base of supporters but those supporters aren't die hard and don't care that much. The enthusiastic support he gets should help in Iowa.
Btw does anyone have Beto's numbers on African Americans in Texas?

Citation needed.

Even if you are a huge fan of any of them, it's not debatable that nobody gets excited for Booker, Harris, or Gillibrand nearly as much as O'Rourke.

Okay. Citation needed since you didn't give me one. Nobody is a strong word.

Obviously I'm using hyperbole, but fine I'll take the bait. How about the fact that in the Harvard-Harris poll O'Rourke is polling 3/4, only behind people with way more name recognition, despite getting well known on the political scene only a couple months ago?

A poll in December 2018 for primaries that won't start till January 2020? Yeah, I'll pass on buying those. And Beto made waves for himself in the Senate race, doesn't translate to him beating every one else easily in 2020.

That is not what we are talking about! You wanted a citation on there being more energy diehard supporters around Beto O'Rourke compared to Booker/Harris/Gillibrand. The fact that a failed Senate candidate is polling higher then the three people in question, despite them being constantly in the news the past 2 years, shows that not a whole lot of people get energized about them.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Grassroots on December 10, 2018, 09:19:45 AM
Also, O'Rourke's only hesitation is not wanting to spend so much more time away from his family:

Quote
O’Rourke, who smashed fundraising records this year in his failed Texas Senate bid, is discussing a possible 2020 run with his family, according to people with direct knowledge of his thinking. He feels the only drawback to running would be another prolonged period away from his wife and three children.

So, Beto is obviously running.

Yes, because this is his chance. He may never get a better chance than now.

The interesting part about Beto is that people are actually asking him to run rather than him announcing. Its clear that Harris Gillibrand and Booker have always marked interest. They have a base of supporters but those supporters aren't die hard and don't care that much. The enthusiastic support he gets should help in Iowa.
Btw does anyone have Beto's numbers on African Americans in Texas?

Citation needed.

Even if you are a huge fan of any of them, it's not debatable that nobody gets excited for Booker, Harris, or Gillibrand nearly as much as O'Rourke.

Okay. Citation needed since you didn't give me one. Nobody is a strong word.

Obviously I'm using hyperbole, but fine I'll take the bait. How about the fact that in the Harvard-Harris poll O'Rourke is polling 3/4, only behind people with way more name recognition, despite getting well known on the political scene only a couple months ago?

A poll in December 2018 for primaries that won't start till January 2020? Yeah, I'll pass on buying those. And Beto made waves for himself in the Senate race, doesn't translate to him beating every one else easily in 2020.

That is not what we are talking about! You wanted a citation on there being more energy diehard supporters around Beto O'Rourke compared to Booker/Harris/Gillibrand. The fact that a failed Senate candidate is polling higher then the three people in question, despite them being constantly in the news the past 2 years, shows that not a whole lot of people get energized about them.

Lol, talking about being in the news, Beto had all the media attention he could ever want. They obsessed over him, and MSNBC basically endorsed him with the clearly biased coverage in his favor.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: aaroncd107 on December 10, 2018, 10:06:13 AM
move your argument to the Betomania thread.

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/420447-sen-murphy-on-2020-im-going-to-make-sure-we-get-a-candidate-who-is (https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/420447-sen-murphy-on-2020-im-going-to-make-sure-we-get-a-candidate-who-is)

Chris Murphy non-answer


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: aaroncd107 on December 10, 2018, 11:46:01 AM


Kirsten deciding soon


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on December 10, 2018, 12:01:36 PM


Kirsten deciding soon
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She'll poll greatly for a few weeks until January/February when the Sanders' and Biden's of the world come into play, and she'll probably simmer back down to <5%.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on December 10, 2018, 04:09:06 PM
Beto met with Al Sharpton recently.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 10, 2018, 06:48:42 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 11, 2018, 01:23:33 AM
Warren is pretty far along:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/10/elizabeth-warren-2020-elections-democrats-1054205

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Sen. Elizabeth Warren has the core of her 2020 team in place if she runs for president. She has the seed money — there’s $12.5 million ready to go, left from her recent Senate run — and a massive email list she’s amassed over years, boosted by a $3.3 million investment in digital infrastructure and advertising in the last election alone. Her aides have been quietly shopping for presidential campaign headquarters space in the Boston area in recent weeks, according to a source with knowledge of the move.

All that’s left is for her to give the green light.

When and if she does, she’ll be rolling out arguably the most advanced and sweeping infrastructure in the Democratic field, a plug-and-play campaign that could give her a massive head start on nearly every contender in the burgeoning primary roster, with only Sens. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) coming close.

Hickenlooper gets really specific about his probability of running:

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/420528-hickenlooper-past-50-50-on-running-for-president-in-2020

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Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper (D) on Monday said that he is "past 50-50" when it comes to the chances of him running for president in 2020.

"I'd say we're past 50-50," Hickenlooper said on CNN's "New Day."

"I think we're probably 63, 64 percent. 6.4, 6.5 [out of 10 chance]," he said while laughing.

"You're at a 7 [out of 10 chance]?," CNN's Alisyn Camerota pressed.

"Maybe not quite, but getting there," the Colorado governor said.

Swalwell returning to Iowa:



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 11, 2018, 10:11:37 AM
Gabbard looking for top aides for a potential national campaign:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/tulsi-gabbard-is-reaching-out-to-staffers-for-possible-2020-run

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Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) and her advisers are reaching out to staffers for a possible 2020 presidential bid, according to three sources with knowledge of the moves who spoke to The Daily Beast.

Gabbard, a 37-year-old Hawaii Democrat, has not been shy about her consideration of a White House run, even telling the Honolulu Star-Advertiser that she was “seriously thinking of how I can best be of service to our country.” But the act of trying to find top aides suggests that the idea is further along than her public utterances suggest.
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But Gabbard has offered hints in other ways. She has made three trips to Iowa since September this year. Additionally she keynoted a grassroots summit in New Hampshire in September and made multiple stops throughout the state during the first weekend of December. She is also publishing a book in April of 2019. Her more recent FEC filings also show that her campaign committee made transfers of cash to three congressional candidates, including two Iowans: Cindy Axne and Dave Loebsack.

Michael Bloomberg was on The View yesterday, and was asked about 2020.  At about the 2:50 mark here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyEDacBzbLk

he says “at the beginning of the year, we’ll take a look at it”.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 11, 2018, 04:58:10 PM
NYMag on Biden.  (http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/12/will-joe-biden-run-for-president-in-2020.html)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: DeSantis4Prez on December 11, 2018, 07:15:30 PM
270towin released a "List of Prospective 2020 Democratic Presidential Candidates"

https://www.270towin.com/news/2018/12/05/a-list-of-prospective-2020-democratic-presidential-candidates_725.html#.XBBS4fZFzIU


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Cold War Liberal on December 11, 2018, 08:10:42 PM
Politico on Gillum. (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/11/andrew-gillum-2020-1057673)

I love Gillum and Abrams as much as (probably more than) I love Beto but to the people asking why the latter gets more attention than the former two, I would think the answer is obvious: Beto has federal experience, while Abrams only has state experience and Gillum doesn't even have that. Beto should run; Abrams should run for Senate; Gillum should wait and see what 2022's like in the Senate and Governorship in FL. Or maybe US House?

If Gillum were governor-elect, maybe (though he shouldn't've abandoned the state after two years). Ex-mayor Gillum? No.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: lfromnj on December 11, 2018, 08:20:21 PM
Politico on Gillum. (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/11/andrew-gillum-2020-1057673)

I love Gillum and Abrams as much as (probably more than) I love Beto but to the people asking why the latter gets more attention than the former two, I would think the answer is obvious: Beto has federal experience, while Abrams only has state experience and Gillum doesn't even have that. Beto should run; Abrams should run for Senate; Gillum should wait and see what 2022's like in the Senate and Governorship in FL. Or maybe US House?

If Gillum were governor-elect, maybe (though he shouldn't've abandoned the state after two years). Ex-mayor Gillum? No.
Isn't it more the fact that Gillum massively undperformed while Abrams slightly underperformed and beto overperformed


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on December 11, 2018, 08:22:11 PM
Politico on Gillum. (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/11/andrew-gillum-2020-1057673)

I love Gillum and Abrams as much as (probably more than) I love Beto but to the people asking why the latter gets more attention than the former two, I would think the answer is obvious: Beto has federal experience, while Abrams only has state experience and Gillum doesn't even have that. Beto should run; Abrams should run for Senate; Gillum should wait and see what 2022's like in the Senate and Governorship in FL. Or maybe US House?

If Gillum were governor-elect, maybe (though he shouldn't've abandoned the state after two years). Ex-mayor Gillum? No.

I mean how about Paulette Jordan she outperformed Hillary by 10 points! Or Fred Hubbell he almost won too, James Smith had a respectable performance against McMaster... The bar is really being lowered, I know Trump but there's a difference between running having never run for anything before and running after losing a huge race.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: OneJ on December 11, 2018, 09:31:44 PM
Politico on Gillum. (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/11/andrew-gillum-2020-1057673)

I love Gillum and Abrams as much as (probably more than) I love Beto but to the people asking why the latter gets more attention than the former two, I would think the answer is obvious: Beto has federal experience, while Abrams only has state experience and Gillum doesn't even have that. Beto should run; Abrams should run for Senate; Gillum should wait and see what 2022's like in the Senate and Governorship in FL. Or maybe US House?

If Gillum were governor-elect, maybe (though he shouldn't've abandoned the state after two years). Ex-mayor Gillum? No.
Isn't it more the fact that Gillum massively undperformed while Abrams slightly underperformed and beto overperformed

Why do you say Abrams underperformed? The RCP average was Kemp +3 and the final result was Kemp +1.4. However, Gillum definitely underperformed without even looking at the polling on that race.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on December 12, 2018, 12:10:44 AM
Isn't it more the fact that Gillum massively undperformed while Abrams slightly underperformed and beto overperformed
Abrams lost by 1 when she was the underdog the entire race and many people thought her candidacy would show us what the absolute floor was for a GA Dem in a D-friendly year. She did not underperform.

Anyway she needs to run for statewide office in GA. She's needed here. Beto has no chance of winning statewide in TX if he couldn't close the deal against Cruz in a blue wave. Not his fault. The fundamentals were just against him. His performance in the suburbs would make him formidable in MI, WI, PA, NC, AZ, and GA maybe even make Trump spend money in TX.

Gillum is an absolute embarrassment. His performance was pitiful and he should retire from politics.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 12, 2018, 12:15:36 AM
NYMag on Biden.  (http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/12/will-joe-biden-run-for-president-in-2020.html)

Some relevant bits:

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Biden, of course, has not yet decided to run in 2020, despite the encouragement of political allies and the parade of polls, both public and private, showing him ahead of the rest of the bursting prospective Democratic field, let alone Trump. Instead, the man who’s grown notorious among his friends for taking his time to make big decisions is moving even more deliberately than usual, weighing whether the personal toll of yet another campaign is worth it, for him and for his family, which has endured a brutal few years.

Top potential supporters are left reading the tea leaves: Some days it feels like he’s 75 percent of the way committed to running, some days 25, said one who keeps in touch with him.
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So he’s wading, slowly, through what it means to have not a shred of doubt that he’s the right man for the time, but also a real fear that the time is no longer right for him.

And it sounds like some in his orbit are worried that his timeline will slip:

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For some, the worry is that his timeline will slip, and that he may decide to wait past the first quarter of 2019, to avoid the inevitable flurry of coverage about Q1 fundraising and endorsements. “He’s told everybody to be ready,” said one informal adviser. But, said that Democrat, “‘Be ready’ doesn’t necessarily mean he’s going to run.”

Biden used to say out loud that he’d decide whether to run by the end of the year. Before too long, he started telling friends he’d decide around January 1st. When he visited Iowa this fall, he told locals he’d make a decision only after the holidays, said Bret Nilles, the Linn County Democratic Party chairman. Now, his closest associates expect him to at least talk with his family about it when he’s with them over the holidays, if not make a final decision.

Meanwhile, this AP story says Biden is preparing to meet with his family to discuss the prospect of running:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/joe-biden-meeting-with-family-as-he-ponders-presidential-run-ap-1.4214033

Also:

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Biden will be in Washington on Wednesday to host holiday receptions with friends, including some backers from key early presidential primary states. He will host his final public event of 2018 Thursday in Utah.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 12, 2018, 01:41:11 AM
The WaPo says Warren 2020 isn’t a done deal:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-her-dna-test-still-reverberates-sen-elizabeth-warrens-political-operation-shows-fissures/2018/12/07/8fb44aac-fa35-11e8-8c9a-860ce2a8148f_story.html

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Those close to Warren have warned recently that while she is still widely expected to enter the race, there remains a chance that she decides against it.

“I don’t have any sense she’s made a final decision that she’s running,” said one Massachusetts Democrat close to her.

One potential fissure within Team Warren:

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Mindy Myers, who was one of the primary architects of Warren’s political rise and has remained one of her close advisers, had been expected to play a senior role in the senator’s campaign. But she has been in talks with several rival campaigns and is planning to meet soon with Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-Tex.), who is considering a presidential run.

Myers ran Warren’s 2012 U.S. Senate campaign and then served as her senate chief of staff, giving her a deep understanding of Warren’s strengths and weaknesses.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on December 12, 2018, 10:53:25 AM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: tosk on December 12, 2018, 12:20:57 PM


here we go


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: DaWN on December 12, 2018, 12:22:03 PM
Don't do it Julian, for everyone's sake


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Beet on December 12, 2018, 12:33:32 PM
The WaPo says Warren 2020 isn’t a done deal:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-her-dna-test-still-reverberates-sen-elizabeth-warrens-political-operation-shows-fissures/2018/12/07/8fb44aac-fa35-11e8-8c9a-860ce2a8148f_story.html

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Those close to Warren have warned recently that while she is still widely expected to enter the race, there remains a chance that she decides against it.

“I don’t have any sense she’s made a final decision that she’s running,” said one Massachusetts Democrat close to her.

One potential fissure within Team Warren:

Quote
Mindy Myers, who was one of the primary architects of Warren’s political rise and has remained one of her close advisers, had been expected to play a senior role in the senator’s campaign. But she has been in talks with several rival campaigns and is planning to meet soon with Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-Tex.), who is considering a presidential run.

Myers ran Warren’s 2012 U.S. Senate campaign and then served as her senate chief of staff, giving her a deep understanding of Warren’s strengths and weaknesses.


I really hope Warren runs. She has the right message, record, and achievements, and if she focuses on sticks to it for the next 12 months, I think she'd gain traction.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: History505 on December 12, 2018, 01:01:02 PM
The WaPo says Warren 2020 isn’t a done deal:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-her-dna-test-still-reverberates-sen-elizabeth-warrens-political-operation-shows-fissures/2018/12/07/8fb44aac-fa35-11e8-8c9a-860ce2a8148f_story.html

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Those close to Warren have warned recently that while she is still widely expected to enter the race, there remains a chance that she decides against it.

“I don’t have any sense she’s made a final decision that she’s running,” said one Massachusetts Democrat close to her.

One potential fissure within Team Warren:

Quote
Mindy Myers, who was one of the primary architects of Warren’s political rise and has remained one of her close advisers, had been expected to play a senior role in the senator’s campaign. But she has been in talks with several rival campaigns and is planning to meet soon with Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-Tex.), who is considering a presidential run.

Myers ran Warren’s 2012 U.S. Senate campaign and then served as her senate chief of staff, giving her a deep understanding of Warren’s strengths and weaknesses.


I really hope Warren runs. She has the right message, record, and achievements, and if she focuses on sticks to it for the next 12 months, I think she'd gain traction.
She wouldn't be a strong nominee. DNA test she released backfired on her.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Doimper on December 12, 2018, 01:40:16 PM


hurk


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on December 12, 2018, 02:32:25 PM


hurk

Wonder if this puts pressure on some of the other longshot candidates to announce?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: WV222 on December 12, 2018, 04:05:42 PM


hurk

Let the 2020 campaign begin!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: aaroncd107 on December 12, 2018, 07:52:38 PM
Huff Post on Sherrod
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5c102beae4b00e17a533ce89/amp?__twitter_impression=true (https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5c102beae4b00e17a533ce89/amp?__twitter_impression=true)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Comrade Funk on December 12, 2018, 08:15:43 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on December 12, 2018, 09:22:39 PM


Just announce you've formed an exploratory committee already. Saying you're "seriously considering" for the umpteenth time isn't real news.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: CookieDamage on December 12, 2018, 10:56:36 PM
Also, O'Rourke's only hesitation is not wanting to spend so much more time away from his family:

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O’Rourke, who smashed fundraising records this year in his failed Texas Senate bid, is discussing a possible 2020 run with his family, according to people with direct knowledge of his thinking. He feels the only drawback to running would be another prolonged period away from his wife and three children.

So, Beto is obviously running.

Yes, because this is his chance. He may never get a better chance than now.

The interesting part about Beto is that people are actually asking him to run rather than him announcing. Its clear that Harris Gillibrand and Booker have always marked interest. They have a base of supporters but those supporters aren't die hard and don't care that much. The enthusiastic support he gets should help in Iowa.
Btw does anyone have Beto's numbers on African Americans in Texas?

Citation needed.

Even if you are a huge fan of any of them, it's not debatable that nobody gets excited for Booker, Harris, or Gillibrand nearly as much as O'Rourke.

Okay. Citation needed since you didn't give me one. Nobody is a strong word.

Obviously I'm using hyperbole, but fine I'll take the bait. How about the fact that in the Harvard-Harris poll O'Rourke is polling 3/4, only behind people with way more name recognition, despite getting well known on the political scene only a couple months ago?

A poll in December 2018 for primaries that won't start till January 2020? Yeah, I'll pass on buying those. And Beto made waves for himself in the Senate race, doesn't translate to him beating every one else easily in 2020.

That is not what we are talking about! You wanted a citation on there being more energy diehard supporters around Beto O'Rourke compared to Booker/Harris/Gillibrand. The fact that a failed Senate candidate is polling higher then the three people in question, despite them being constantly in the news the past 2 years, shows that not a whole lot of people get energized about them.

I just answered you. I wanted a citation that Kamala doesn't have diehard supporters, and you gave me ONE poll. Not really saying much and doesn't disprove that Kamala has diehard supporters. But judging from your giant and unsightly sig I'm sure you'll dismiss that and go on about how Beto is destined to win.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on December 12, 2018, 11:12:58 PM
Harris and Biden were spotted together in DC... Which makes me think either she was trying to convince him not to run or he was trying to convince her to be his VP in the primary. Or they did just had a friendly chat about whatever.




Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on December 13, 2018, 02:01:59 AM
Cher endorsed Biden-



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on December 13, 2018, 07:16:29 AM
Not that it matters, but here's an awesome response from AOC to a ridiculous article suggesting she runs and challenges the 35+ age eligibility.



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 13, 2018, 10:13:32 AM
Chris Murphy says he “has no plans” to run for president:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/nidhiprakash/chris-murphy-not-planning-2020-president-campaign

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“I am not planning to run for president,” Murphy said, after being asked directly to say yes or no on a 2020 campaign. “I don’t have any plans to go to Iowa or New Hampshire.”

Asked if he would give a “hard no” on a presidential campaign, Murphy reiterated, “I have no plans right now” to run.

Steyer is advertising for senior posts in his presumed presidential campaign on LinkedIn:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/12/us/politics/tom-steyer-president.html

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Tom Steyer, the Democratic billionaire who has paid for television ads calling for the impeachment of President Trump, is also considering a run for president himself. And he is taking a novel approach to staffing up a potential campaign for 2020: An anonymous LinkedIn page advertising “state director” jobs in three of the first four states that will kick off the nominating contest.

“A high profile political campaign based on the West Coast is seeking highly skilled political professionals to join our national campaign team,” the job description begins.

It describes “state director” posts in Nevada, South Carolina and New Hampshire.
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A spokeswoman for Mr. Steyer, Aleigha Cavalier, acknowledged that he was responsible for the LinkedIn advertisement.

Politico on the 2020 early state jockeying, including a Bullock trip to Nevada that I think we missed:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/12/democrats-2020-early-state-visits-iowa-new-hampshire-south-carolina-nevada-1059165

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But Iowa isn’t the only hot spot. Montana Gov. Steve Bullock was in Nevada last week, billionaire Tom Steyer was in South Carolina and Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard was in New Hampshire.

In all these places, candidate appearances are just part of the action -- behind the scenes, there is a hunt for field directors and staffers. A political staffer for Eric Garcetti, for example, sat down with Iowa operatives in Des Moines last week to talk about staffing up the Los Angeles mayor’s potential campaign, according to two people who took the meetings.

And the political organizations of Sens. Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren and Cory Booker are each in advanced conversations with veteran staffers in Iowa and New Hampshire, multiple sources with knowledge of the talks told POLITICO.

Swalwell: “I actually do see a path”:

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/420945-swalwell-i-do-see-a-path-to-democratic-nomination-in-2020

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“I actually do see a path, I am considering it,” Swalwell, who is 38, said Wednesday in an appearance on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” adding that he will soon be holding a gun violence town hall in Des Moines, Iowa, with Cameron Kasky, a survivor from the February shooting at a Parkland, Fla., high school.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: JG on December 13, 2018, 10:32:39 AM
Chris Murphy says he “has no plans” to run for president:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/nidhiprakash/chris-murphy-not-planning-2020-president-campaign

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“I am not planning to run for president,” Murphy said, after being asked directly to say yes or no on a 2020 campaign. “I don’t have any plans to go to Iowa or New Hampshire.”

Asked if he would give a “hard no” on a presidential campaign, Murphy reiterated, “I have no plans right now” to run.


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I feel like Murphy is angling for SoS in the next democratic administration and has no real interest in running for the presidency.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sir Mohamed on December 13, 2018, 10:38:23 AM
Chris Murphy says he “has no plans” to run for president:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/nidhiprakash/chris-murphy-not-planning-2020-president-campaign

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“I am not planning to run for president,” Murphy said, after being asked directly to say yes or no on a 2020 campaign. “I don’t have any plans to go to Iowa or New Hampshire.”

Asked if he would give a “hard no” on a presidential campaign, Murphy reiterated, “I have no plans right now” to run.



I feel like Murphy is angling for SoS in the next democratic administration and has no real interest in running for the presidency.
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Doubtful. He has a senate seat for life. I think Samanta Power will be SoS.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on December 13, 2018, 12:25:14 PM
Also, O'Rourke's only hesitation is not wanting to spend so much more time away from his family:

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O’Rourke, who smashed fundraising records this year in his failed Texas Senate bid, is discussing a possible 2020 run with his family, according to people with direct knowledge of his thinking. He feels the only drawback to running would be another prolonged period away from his wife and three children.

So, Beto is obviously running.

Yes, because this is his chance. He may never get a better chance than now.

The interesting part about Beto is that people are actually asking him to run rather than him announcing. Its clear that Harris Gillibrand and Booker have always marked interest. They have a base of supporters but those supporters aren't die hard and don't care that much. The enthusiastic support he gets should help in Iowa.
Btw does anyone have Beto's numbers on African Americans in Texas?

Citation needed.

Even if you are a huge fan of any of them, it's not debatable that nobody gets excited for Booker, Harris, or Gillibrand nearly as much as O'Rourke.

Okay. Citation needed since you didn't give me one. Nobody is a strong word.

Obviously I'm using hyperbole, but fine I'll take the bait. How about the fact that in the Harvard-Harris poll O'Rourke is polling 3/4, only behind people with way more name recognition, despite getting well known on the political scene only a couple months ago?

A poll in December 2018 for primaries that won't start till January 2020? Yeah, I'll pass on buying those. And Beto made waves for himself in the Senate race, doesn't translate to him beating every one else easily in 2020.

That is not what we are talking about! You wanted a citation on there being more energy diehard supporters around Beto O'Rourke compared to Booker/Harris/Gillibrand. The fact that a failed Senate candidate is polling higher then the three people in question, despite them being constantly in the news the past 2 years, shows that not a whole lot of people get energized about them.

I just answered you. I wanted a citation that Kamala doesn't have diehard supporters, and you gave me ONE poll. Not really saying much and doesn't disprove that Kamala has diehard supporters. But judging from your giant and unsightly sig I'm sure you'll dismiss that and go on about how Beto is destined to win.

Obnoxious sig aside, Mohammed (and me too) were obviously using hyperbole. Obviously Harris, Gillibrand, and Booker have die-hard supporters, but the point is that it's hard to argue that any of them have more die-hard support then Beto, due to the cult of personality already around him. Gilly/Harris/Booker just don't have that. I figured you weren't taking SM literally. But I'm gonna shut up about this now because we're derailing the thread.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on December 13, 2018, 12:30:02 PM
Also, O'Rourke's only hesitation is not wanting to spend so much more time away from his family:

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O’Rourke, who smashed fundraising records this year in his failed Texas Senate bid, is discussing a possible 2020 run with his family, according to people with direct knowledge of his thinking. He feels the only drawback to running would be another prolonged period away from his wife and three children.

So, Beto is obviously running.

Yes, because this is his chance. He may never get a better chance than now.

The interesting part about Beto is that people are actually asking him to run rather than him announcing. Its clear that Harris Gillibrand and Booker have always marked interest. They have a base of supporters but those supporters aren't die hard and don't care that much. The enthusiastic support he gets should help in Iowa.
Btw does anyone have Beto's numbers on African Americans in Texas?

Citation needed.

Even if you are a huge fan of any of them, it's not debatable that nobody gets excited for Booker, Harris, or Gillibrand nearly as much as O'Rourke.

Okay. Citation needed since you didn't give me one. Nobody is a strong word.

Obviously I'm using hyperbole, but fine I'll take the bait. How about the fact that in the Harvard-Harris poll O'Rourke is polling 3/4, only behind people with way more name recognition, despite getting well known on the political scene only a couple months ago?

A poll in December 2018 for primaries that won't start till January 2020? Yeah, I'll pass on buying those. And Beto made waves for himself in the Senate race, doesn't translate to him beating every one else easily in 2020.

That is not what we are talking about! You wanted a citation on there being more energy diehard supporters around Beto O'Rourke compared to Booker/Harris/Gillibrand. The fact that a failed Senate candidate is polling higher then the three people in question, despite them being constantly in the news the past 2 years, shows that not a whole lot of people get energized about them.

I just answered you. I wanted a citation that Kamala doesn't have diehard supporters, and you gave me ONE poll. Not really saying much and doesn't disprove that Kamala has diehard supporters. But judging from your giant and unsightly sig I'm sure you'll dismiss that and go on about how Beto is destined to win.

Obnoxious sig aside, Mohammed (and me too) were obviously using hyperbole. Obviously Harris, Gillibrand, and Booker have die-hard supporters, but the point is that it's hard to argue that any of them have more die-hard support then Beto, due to the cult of personality already around him. Gilly/Harris/Booker just don't have that. I figured you weren't taking SM literally. But I'm gonna shut up about this now because a chain this long is gonna annoy everyone else.


Still, however, his pool of diehard supporters is still rather small(Beto). I think there is only 1 candidate in the race that has diehard supporters in large quantities, and its Sanders.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: tosk on December 13, 2018, 01:07:11 PM
Chris Murphy says he “has no plans” to run for president:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/nidhiprakash/chris-murphy-not-planning-2020-president-campaign

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“I am not planning to run for president,” Murphy said, after being asked directly to say yes or no on a 2020 campaign. “I don’t have any plans to go to Iowa or New Hampshire.”

Asked if he would give a “hard no” on a presidential campaign, Murphy reiterated, “I have no plans right now” to run.



I feel like Murphy is angling for SoS in the next democratic administration and has no real interest in running for the presidency.

Doubtful. He has a senate seat for life. I think Samanta Power will be SoS.
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Murphy would be my pick, altough Power would be a good pick for dems too. Maybe Murphy's got higher ambitions but he's going against the tide and wanting to bide his time?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 13, 2018, 05:53:09 PM
Bernie and Warren met and both are probably running. (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/13/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-2020.html)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Blackacre on December 13, 2018, 06:35:37 PM
I wouldnt be surprised at this point if the declared candidate pool breaks 30. Yikes


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Wang on December 13, 2018, 07:50:24 PM
Bernie and Warren met and both are probably running. (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/13/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-2020.html)
Warren should bow out of the race and endorse Sanders, so the Progressive wing of the party is united behind one candidate. The Pocahontas smear combined with her embarrassing DNA test shows she would be torn apart by Trump, plus Sanders has a much more enthusiastic base and a much more authentic message (before Sanders ran, Single-Payer healthcare, Free College, and a Living Wage were viewed as fringe positions by most Democrats) as shown by the fact that every other potential candidate is imitating his platform, even those that clearly don’t support it (ie. Harris, Booker, Gillibrand, and Beto). This proves Sanders is the candidate that Progressives should unite behind to win the nomination and throw Trump out of the White House.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on December 13, 2018, 08:07:21 PM
Atlas' resident "garbage candidate" Julian Castro will be on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert tonight with his brother. 


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: lfromnj on December 13, 2018, 08:09:01 PM
Atlas' resident "garbage candidate" Julian Castro will be on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert tonight with his brother. 

i mean the thing is the moment Beto announces(I now say its a 50/50 ) he will look like a garbage candidate. Also he seems super opportunistic. Won't run statewide in 2018 because he was afraid of a loss on his resume.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on December 13, 2018, 08:12:11 PM
Atlas' resident "garbage candidate" Julian Castro will be on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert tonight with his brother.  

i mean the thing is the moment Beto announces(I now say its a 50/50 ) he will look like a garbage candidate. Also he seems super opportunistic. Won't run statewide in 2018 because he was afraid of a loss on his resume.

Oh, I was referring to the toxicity of the Castro Announces Committee thread.

People are calling him worse than Ojeda.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NewYorkExpress on December 13, 2018, 11:45:31 PM
Bernie and Warren met and both are probably running. (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/13/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-2020.html)
Warren should bow out of the race and endorse Sanders, so the Progressive wing of the party is united behind one candidate. The Pocahontas smear combined with her embarrassing DNA test shows she would be torn apart by Trump, plus Sanders has a much more enthusiastic base and a much more authentic message (before Sanders ran, Single-Payer healthcare, Free College, and a Living Wage were viewed as fringe positions by most Democrats) as shown by the fact that every other potential candidate is imitating his platform, even those that clearly don’t support it (ie. Harris, Booker, Gillibrand, and Beto). This proves Sanders is the candidate that Progressives should unite behind to win the nomination and throw Trump out of the White House.

Even if Warren endorsed him, Sanders still wouldn't win the nomination. I would expect Clinton level shenanigans from the other candidates (like refusing to attend debates he is invited to) if he runs.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Grassroots on December 14, 2018, 12:18:46 AM
Bernie and Warren met and both are probably running. (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/13/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-2020.html)
Warren should bow out of the race and endorse Sanders, so the Progressive wing of the party is united behind one candidate. The Pocahontas smear combined with her embarrassing DNA test shows she would be torn apart by Trump, plus Sanders has a much more enthusiastic base and a much more authentic message (before Sanders ran, Single-Payer healthcare, Free College, and a Living Wage were viewed as fringe positions by most Democrats) as shown by the fact that every other potential candidate is imitating his platform, even those that clearly don’t support it (ie. Harris, Booker, Gillibrand, and Beto). This proves Sanders is the candidate that Progressives should unite behind to win the nomination and throw Trump out of the White House.

Even if Warren endorsed him, Sanders still wouldn't win the nomination. I would expect Clinton level shenanigans from the other candidates (like refusing to attend debates he is invited to) if he runs.

LOL @ people still talking about Sanders. Give up already!



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NewYorkExpress on December 14, 2018, 12:21:17 AM
Bernie and Warren met and both are probably running. (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/13/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-2020.html)
Warren should bow out of the race and endorse Sanders, so the Progressive wing of the party is united behind one candidate. The Pocahontas smear combined with her embarrassing DNA test shows she would be torn apart by Trump, plus Sanders has a much more enthusiastic base and a much more authentic message (before Sanders ran, Single-Payer healthcare, Free College, and a Living Wage were viewed as fringe positions by most Democrats) as shown by the fact that every other potential candidate is imitating his platform, even those that clearly don’t support it (ie. Harris, Booker, Gillibrand, and Beto). This proves Sanders is the candidate that Progressives should unite behind to win the nomination and throw Trump out of the White House.

Even if Warren endorsed him, Sanders still wouldn't win the nomination. I would expect Clinton level shenanigans from the other candidates (like refusing to attend debates he is invited to) if he runs.

LOL @ people still talking about Sanders. Give up already!



At what point has Sanders said he isn't running? In fact, it looks like the opposite is true.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 14, 2018, 01:31:58 AM
Andrea Mitchell asked Sanders about his decision timeline, and he said only “I will make that decision when I think it’s appropriate”:

https://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell-reports/watch/sanders-2020-presidential-run-not-an-easy-decision-1397157955754


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: The Mikado on December 14, 2018, 02:02:40 AM
On that point, at least, he's probably right. Only the obscure/minor people have to get in soon-ish. Sanders could wait until April or May and get a splash of attention when he does jump in.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Shadows on December 14, 2018, 08:11:00 AM
Sanders also made statements like I will run if there is grassroots support & so on. He will probably wait till March-April or more & see what level of support he has, if this Beto hype from neoliberals subsides, if Warren is really tanking, If Biden runs (in which case he will 100% run).

I think he is tilting towards running but it is not 100%. Booker Warren Harris are much further ahead in the process.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: LAKISYLVANIA on December 14, 2018, 01:43:07 PM
Bernie and Warren met and both are probably running. (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/13/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-2020.html)
Warren should bow out of the race and endorse Sanders, so the Progressive wing of the party is united behind one candidate. The Pocahontas smear combined with her embarrassing DNA test shows she would be torn apart by Trump, plus Sanders has a much more enthusiastic base and a much more authentic message (before Sanders ran, Single-Payer healthcare, Free College, and a Living Wage were viewed as fringe positions by most Democrats) as shown by the fact that every other potential candidate is imitating his platform, even those that clearly don’t support it (ie. Harris, Booker, Gillibrand, and Beto). This proves Sanders is the candidate that Progressives should unite behind to win the nomination and throw Trump out of the White House.

Even if Warren endorsed him, Sanders still wouldn't win the nomination. I would expect Clinton level shenanigans from the other candidates (like refusing to attend debates he is invited to) if he runs.

The Clinton level shenanigans is exactly the reason why she lost.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NewYorkExpress on December 14, 2018, 01:48:31 PM
Bernie and Warren met and both are probably running. (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/13/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-2020.html)
Warren should bow out of the race and endorse Sanders, so the Progressive wing of the party is united behind one candidate. The Pocahontas smear combined with her embarrassing DNA test shows she would be torn apart by Trump, plus Sanders has a much more enthusiastic base and a much more authentic message (before Sanders ran, Single-Payer healthcare, Free College, and a Living Wage were viewed as fringe positions by most Democrats) as shown by the fact that every other potential candidate is imitating his platform, even those that clearly don’t support it (ie. Harris, Booker, Gillibrand, and Beto). This proves Sanders is the candidate that Progressives should unite behind to win the nomination and throw Trump out of the White House.

Even if Warren endorsed him, Sanders still wouldn't win the nomination. I would expect Clinton level shenanigans from the other candidates (like refusing to attend debates he is invited to) if he runs.

The Clinton level shenanigans is exactly the reason why she lost.

She lost because she had flaws that were unique to her as a candidate (Whitewater, helping cover up Bill's sexual indiscretions, email scandal) not because of any particular strength of a proposed Sanders candidacy.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: LAKISYLVANIA on December 14, 2018, 07:12:17 PM
Bernie and Warren met and both are probably running. (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/13/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-2020.html)
Warren should bow out of the race and endorse Sanders, so the Progressive wing of the party is united behind one candidate. The Pocahontas smear combined with her embarrassing DNA test shows she would be torn apart by Trump, plus Sanders has a much more enthusiastic base and a much more authentic message (before Sanders ran, Single-Payer healthcare, Free College, and a Living Wage were viewed as fringe positions by most Democrats) as shown by the fact that every other potential candidate is imitating his platform, even those that clearly don’t support it (ie. Harris, Booker, Gillibrand, and Beto). This proves Sanders is the candidate that Progressives should unite behind to win the nomination and throw Trump out of the White House.

Even if Warren endorsed him, Sanders still wouldn't win the nomination. I would expect Clinton level shenanigans from the other candidates (like refusing to attend debates he is invited to) if he runs.

The Clinton level shenanigans is exactly the reason why she lost.

She lost because she had flaws that were unique to her as a candidate (Whitewater, helping cover up Bill's sexual indiscretions, email scandal) not because of any particular strength of a proposed Sanders candidacy.
Without Bernie Sanders, i would've been probably a Clinton supporter as i initially was, and i even preferred Trump over her on election day, because i was so done with all the shenanigance / rigging process.

No-one cares about the e-mails, except Trump trolls, and i don't even know what Whitewater is. But the Sanders / and rigged primaries weren't the only reason that she lost (and Wikileaks didn't help Trump, she should have been made clear that Wikileaks had never something to leak about her, Assange is a hero). Her arrogant and naive campaign is part of the reason why she lost as well. She was never able to connect with the average person, and while some reluctantly went for her, it wasn't enough to make up for the Trump enthusiasm surge on election day, especially in the Rust Belt which might be more prone to voting for populist candidates (as Ventura proved in 1998 in MN already).


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 14, 2018, 07:20:32 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: JG on December 14, 2018, 07:28:15 PM


I'm not sure a two white male tickets would play well with the base. Something like that shows how disconnected Biden is.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 15, 2018, 12:10:03 AM


The rest of that story is about Biden questioning whether he’s too old, and the same old stuff about how on the one hand he plays up the chance that he’ll run, but on the other, he’s still bringing up whether it’s the best choice for his family:

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As he considers running for president, Joe Biden is talking with friends and longtime supporters about whether, at 76, he’s too old to seek the White House, according to several sources who have spoken with the former Democratic vice president.

The discussions suggest Biden is aware that his age may be the biggest hurdle to launching another bid for the Democratic presidential nomination, especially in an era when many in the party yearn for a new generation of leadership. He would be the oldest person to ever be elected president.
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Biden is expected to decide in January or February whether to seek the White House. He has done little to tamp down talk that his answer may be yes.

He touts his age as a sign of experience, pointing to 36 years in the Senate, eight years as vice president and a career deeply enmeshed in domestic, international and military policy. At an event in Montana this month, Biden described himself as “the most qualified person in the country to be president.”
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And yet, Biden has also said he could not re-enter the grueling race for the presidency unless he feels his family, still dealing with Beau Biden’s 2015 death, is fully on board.

In other news, Klobuchar asked about 2020 at about the 5 minute mark in this video:

https://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell-reports/watch/sen-klobuchar-on-bipartisan-accomplishment-combating-sexual-harassment-1398139459997

and she says “I am considering this” (meaning a run for president), and then goes into a her Midwestern identity politics spiel (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=263827.0).


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on December 15, 2018, 01:39:50 AM


Seems like a lot of hubris from Biden thinking people will bend over backwards to be his VP through the primary. I have no idea why Beto or any other major candidate would hitch onto a Biden ticket.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ○∙◄☻Ątπ[╪AV┼cVę└ on December 15, 2018, 01:41:33 AM


Seems like a lot of hubris from Biden thinking people will bend over backwards to be his VP through the primary. I have no idea why Beto or any other major candidate would hitch onto a Biden ticket.

In 2016, Biden wanted Warren as his running mate. Just LOL at Biden.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/joe-biden-elizabeth-warren-223104


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on December 15, 2018, 07:47:21 AM


That dog won't hunt with Democrats. Female would be much more preferred.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Illini Moderate on December 15, 2018, 12:56:24 PM
Bernie and Warren met and both are probably running. (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/13/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-2020.html)
Warren should bow out of the race and endorse Sanders, so the Progressive wing of the party is united behind one candidate. The Pocahontas smear combined with her embarrassing DNA test shows she would be torn apart by Trump, plus Sanders has a much more enthusiastic base and a much more authentic message (before Sanders ran, Single-Payer healthcare, Free College, and a Living Wage were viewed as fringe positions by most Democrats) as shown by the fact that every other potential candidate is imitating his platform, even those that clearly don’t support it (ie. Harris, Booker, Gillibrand, and Beto). This proves Sanders is the candidate that Progressives should unite behind to win the nomination and throw Trump out of the White House.

Even if Warren endorsed him, Sanders still wouldn't win the nomination. I would expect Clinton level shenanigans from the other candidates (like refusing to attend debates he is invited to) if he runs.

The Clinton level shenanigans is exactly the reason why she lost.

She lost because she had flaws that were unique to her as a candidate (Whitewater, helping cover up Bill's sexual indiscretions, email scandal) not because of any particular strength of a proposed Sanders candidacy.
Without Bernie Sanders, i would've been probably a Clinton supporter as i initially was, and i even preferred Trump over her on election day, because i was so done with all the shenanigance / rigging process.

No-one cares about the e-mails, except Trump trolls, and i don't even know what Whitewater is. But the Sanders / and rigged primaries weren't the only reason that she lost (and Wikileaks didn't help Trump, she should have been made clear that Wikileaks had never something to leak about her, Assange is a hero). Her arrogant and naive campaign is part of the reason why she lost as well. She was never able to connect with the average person, and while some reluctantly went for her, it wasn't enough to make up for the Trump enthusiasm surge on election day, especially in the Rust Belt which might be more prone to voting for populist candidates (as Ventura proved in 1998 in MN already).

The fact that you preferred Donald Trump over Hillary when you identify as a socialist is mind boggling.That is just so illogical from a policy standpoint.

First of all, the primaries were not "rigged". Yes there were fewer debates, and maybe there should have been more, but that does not constitute "rigging". For one, the rules of the debates were decided in 2014, far before anyone knew the race would be Sanders v. Clinton. Also, Bernie Sanders was extremely well known among Democratic voters by the time voting was in swing. Democrats knew what his message was (as he was excellent at staying on message) they just chose not to vote for him by a significant margin.

The claim that Assange is a hero is straight up laughable. Yes he leaked some things back in the day in the interest of transparency, as opposed to present day leaking of innocent people's social security numbers, addresses, and phone numbers. But Wikileaks' goal this election was purely focused on sowing divide and discord in the American electorate. Hell, they were even encouraging Trump not to concede as it would be "far more interesting" in their DM's to Don Jr. They also refused to leak any damaging info on Trump and solely focused on Clinton as they believed she would win and wanted to hurt her as much as possible before she became President. Wikileaks provided absolutely no value by leaking PRIVATE emails from John Podesta. People do have a right to privacy, and there's no reason the American people needed to see those--completely uninteresting and irrelevant--emails.

Yes Clinton's campaign was arrogant and it is largely the campaign's failure to get out ahead of scandals and present a clear and simplified message to the American people that cost them the election, but let's not act like she wasn't subject to unprecedented attacks from a foreign government. And pretending that as a socialist, Trump at all served your interests any better is laughable. 


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: President Johnson on December 15, 2018, 01:02:19 PM


I'm not sure a two white male tickets would play well with the base. Something like that shows how disconnected Biden is.

I don't think a lot of people actually care. The base is energized enough in their desire to throw Trump out of office. Nevertheless, I think Biden shouldn't run for other reasons.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on December 15, 2018, 03:21:20 PM


I'm not sure a two white male tickets would play well with the base. Something like that shows how disconnected Biden is.

I think Biden shouldn't run for other reasons.

So what are your reasons?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NewYorkExpress on December 15, 2018, 04:40:31 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/15/politics/gillibrand-2020-van-jones-cnntv/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/15/politics/gillibrand-2020-van-jones-cnntv/index.html)

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Democratic Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand said she is "definitely thinking" about running for president in 2020 and will announce a decision in the near future.

"I'm definitely thinking about it, of course. And I'm going to think about it over the holidays with my children and my husband, and I will make a decision soon," Gillibrand said on CNN's "The Van Jones Show," airing at 7 p.m. ET on Saturday.

"This is sort of where my faith drives me. I do believe in these moments of great darkness — of great pain, of great suffering, of great division, of great hatred — that all of us are called to do something ... to restore what is good in our world," Gillibrand said. "And I feel very called at this moment to fight as hard as I possibly can to restore that."

When asked why she might not run for the presidency, Gillibrand said she wants to make sure her family is ready for an "arduous and serious process."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on December 15, 2018, 11:15:13 PM
Eric Holder suddenly endorses Medicare for All, for some reason.

https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/15/eric-holder-democrats-obamacare-ruling-medicare/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on December 15, 2018, 11:37:11 PM
Eric Holder suddenly endorses Medicare for All, for some reason.

https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/15/eric-holder-democrats-obamacare-ruling-medicare/

He actually framed this endorsement really well


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ○∙◄☻Ątπ[╪AV┼cVę└ on December 16, 2018, 01:55:27 AM
Eric Holder suddenly endorses Medicare for All, for some reason.

https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/15/eric-holder-democrats-obamacare-ruling-medicare/

Next you know, he'll suddenly endorse investigating Robert Rubin for lying about subprime mortgages.

Just kidding, that won't happen.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: wbrocks67 on December 16, 2018, 11:16:32 AM
A Biden/Beto ticket in *theory* is an amazing idea, but when you start thinking about the Democratic base and it being two White men, then it becomes a not great idea.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 16, 2018, 02:43:19 PM
Sherrod Brown holding "online town hall" today at 4pm Eastern:

https://www.facebook.com/events/942516049282202/
https://www.wkbn.com/news/ohio/democrat-sherrod-brown-mulling-2020-sets-online-town-hall/1661358415

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His Facebook town hall is aimed at people nationwide and is set for Sunday at 4 p.m. EST.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: aaroncd107 on December 16, 2018, 03:52:47 PM
Solid profile on Mayor Pete

https://www.indianapolismonthly.com/features/pete-buttigieg-has-his-eye-on-the-prize/ (https://www.indianapolismonthly.com/features/pete-buttigieg-has-his-eye-on-the-prize/)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on December 16, 2018, 03:57:19 PM
Solid profile on Mayor Pete

https://www.indianapolismonthly.com/features/pete-buttigieg-has-his-eye-on-the-prize/ (https://www.indianapolismonthly.com/features/pete-buttigieg-has-his-eye-on-the-prize/)

I really like Mayor Pete and hope he runs for Congress or gets a position in the next Democratic administration.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: LAKISYLVANIA on December 16, 2018, 08:08:21 PM
Bernie and Warren met and both are probably running. (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/13/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-2020.html)
Warren should bow out of the race and endorse Sanders, so the Progressive wing of the party is united behind one candidate. The Pocahontas smear combined with her embarrassing DNA test shows she would be torn apart by Trump, plus Sanders has a much more enthusiastic base and a much more authentic message (before Sanders ran, Single-Payer healthcare, Free College, and a Living Wage were viewed as fringe positions by most Democrats) as shown by the fact that every other potential candidate is imitating his platform, even those that clearly don’t support it (ie. Harris, Booker, Gillibrand, and Beto). This proves Sanders is the candidate that Progressives should unite behind to win the nomination and throw Trump out of the White House.

Even if Warren endorsed him, Sanders still wouldn't win the nomination. I would expect Clinton level shenanigans from the other candidates (like refusing to attend debates he is invited to) if he runs.

The Clinton level shenanigans is exactly the reason why she lost.

She lost because she had flaws that were unique to her as a candidate (Whitewater, helping cover up Bill's sexual indiscretions, email scandal) not because of any particular strength of a proposed Sanders candidacy.
Without Bernie Sanders, i would've been probably a Clinton supporter as i initially was, and i even preferred Trump over her on election day, because i was so done with all the shenanigance / rigging process.

No-one cares about the e-mails, except Trump trolls, and i don't even know what Whitewater is. But the Sanders / and rigged primaries weren't the only reason that she lost (and Wikileaks didn't help Trump, she should have been made clear that Wikileaks had never something to leak about her, Assange is a hero). Her arrogant and naive campaign is part of the reason why she lost as well. She was never able to connect with the average person, and while some reluctantly went for her, it wasn't enough to make up for the Trump enthusiasm surge on election day, especially in the Rust Belt which might be more prone to voting for populist candidates (as Ventura proved in 1998 in MN already).

The fact that you preferred Donald Trump over Hillary when you identify as a socialist is mind boggling.That is just so illogical from a policy standpoint.

First of all, the primaries were not "rigged". Yes there were fewer debates, and maybe there should have been more, but that does not constitute "rigging". For one, the rules of the debates were decided in 2014, far before anyone knew the race would be Sanders v. Clinton. Also, Bernie Sanders was extremely well known among Democratic voters by the time voting was in swing. Democrats knew what his message was (as he was excellent at staying on message) they just chose not to vote for him by a significant margin.

The claim that Assange is a hero is straight up laughable. Yes he leaked some things back in the day in the interest of transparency, as opposed to present day leaking of innocent people's social security numbers, addresses, and phone numbers. But Wikileaks' goal this election was purely focused on sowing divide and discord in the American electorate. Hell, they were even encouraging Trump not to concede as it would be "far more interesting" in their DM's to Don Jr. They also refused to leak any damaging info on Trump and solely focused on Clinton as they believed she would win and wanted to hurt her as much as possible before she became President. Wikileaks provided absolutely no value by leaking PRIVATE emails from John Podesta. People do have a right to privacy, and there's no reason the American people needed to see those--completely uninteresting and irrelevant--emails.

Yes Clinton's campaign was arrogant and it is largely the campaign's failure to get out ahead of scandals and present a clear and simplified message to the American people that cost them the election, but let's not act like she wasn't subject to unprecedented attacks from a foreign government. And pretending that as a socialist, Trump at all served your interests any better is laughable.  

I'm sorry and I already know I was wrong there, but as a socialist you can't support both Trump and Clinton. Preferring Trump over Clinton in 2016 was a mistake (i did it back than, but i don't anymore), but I can't help it that Clinton wasn't a president for the WWC. Trump at least could have became a WWC president, but he turned out not to be. And I might live in Belgium, but i'm sure tons of people in the Rust Belt thought about it the same way as i did. You can't blame me for not supporting HRC after that terrible primary process.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Cold War Liberal on December 16, 2018, 11:48:38 PM
Solid profile on Mayor Pete

https://www.indianapolismonthly.com/features/pete-buttigieg-has-his-eye-on-the-prize/ (https://www.indianapolismonthly.com/features/pete-buttigieg-has-his-eye-on-the-prize/)

I really like Mayor Pete and hope he runs for Congress or gets a position in the next Democratic administration.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 17, 2018, 12:18:11 AM
Interview with Booker here:

http://www.philly.com/news/cory-booker-presidency-single-man-20181214.html

He says he’ll consult with friends and family over the holidays, which include a visit to early caucus state Nevada. :P

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Booker is undeterred. “I’m going to run on who I am, whether that’s running for reelection [to the Senate] or running for president,” he said. “I’ve always trusted the voters enough to evaluate me on the content of my character, quality of my ideas, and my ability to do the job.”
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As to whether he actually runs, Booker expects to consider the decision over Congress' holiday break. He said he plans to speak with family, friends, and political advisers as he spends time in New Jersey and Las Vegas, where his mother lives.

“I have a pause during the holidays which is going to be a really great time to meet with family and friends and really start to put some focus on whether to run for president or not,” Booker said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 17, 2018, 10:56:47 AM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 17, 2018, 11:05:15 AM


Well then, I guess he's running for president, because there's no other compelling reason not to run for another term.  Also:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/south-bend-mayor-pete-buttigieg-moves-toward-presidential-run/2018/12/17/e51930a2-fe5e-11e8-ad40-cdfd0e0dd65a_story.html

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Asked about his political future, Buttigieg said he doesn’t plan to make an announcement until the new year.

“I don’t think it’s a secret that we’re looking at things,” he said, adding that he plans to serve out the remaining year and two weeks in his term.

A presidential announcement also might not come right away in 2019, because he has a book coming out in February, and may want to do the book tour before officially becoming a candidate.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NewYorkExpress on December 17, 2018, 12:22:11 PM


Well then, I guess he's running for president, because there's no other compelling reason not to run for another term.  Also:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/south-bend-mayor-pete-buttigieg-moves-toward-presidential-run/2018/12/17/e51930a2-fe5e-11e8-ad40-cdfd0e0dd65a_story.html

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Asked about his political future, Buttigieg said he doesn’t plan to make an announcement until the new year.

“I don’t think it’s a secret that we’re looking at things,” he said, adding that he plans to serve out the remaining year and two weeks in his term.

A presidential announcement also might not come right away in 2019, because he has a book coming out in February, and may want to do the book tour before officially becoming a candidate.


Indiana does have a Gubernatorial Election in 2020, so he might end up running for that office instead.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 17, 2018, 01:08:53 PM
Indiana does have a Gubernatorial Election in 2020, so he might end up running for that office instead.

But he hasn't given any indication that he's interested in that, yet has given indication that he might be interested in a presidential run.  I figure it was either the presidency or another run for mayor.  So if he's not running for mayor, then I guess it's the presidency by default.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NewYorkExpress on December 17, 2018, 01:14:29 PM
Indiana does have a Gubernatorial Election in 2020, so he might end up running for that office instead.

But he hasn't given any indication that he's interested in that, yet has given indication that he might be interested in a presidential run.  I figure it was either the presidency or another run for mayor.  So if he's not running for mayor, then I guess it's the presidency by default.


That's correct, but we have seen politicians Express interest in one office and then run for another office instead.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Usili on December 17, 2018, 01:59:29 PM
And in something of more interesting news for today so far:

https://twitter.com/BenWSYX6/status/1074733631036379137


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on December 17, 2018, 03:26:43 PM
Buttigieg’s dog again. Big if true.



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: President Johnson on December 17, 2018, 03:33:55 PM
Buttigieg’s dog again. Big if true.



Pete is a good guy, but a bit too early for the presidency. A cabinet position? Absolutely.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 17, 2018, 03:34:18 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on December 17, 2018, 03:42:37 PM


Interesting


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on December 17, 2018, 03:44:47 PM
Buttigieg’s dog again. Big if true.



Pete is a good guy, but a bit too early for the presidency. A cabinet position? Absolutely.

I agree. The most obvious position thrown out there has been HUD, but I’ve heard Homeland Security thrown out there too. Personally HUD would make the most sense.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: President Johnson on December 17, 2018, 03:44:55 PM


God help us.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Comrade Funk on December 17, 2018, 03:50:56 PM


God help us.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on December 17, 2018, 05:27:28 PM
Buttigieg’s dog again. Big if true.



Pete is a good guy, but a bit too early for the presidency. A cabinet position? Absolutely.

I agree. The most obvious position thrown out there has been HUD, but I’ve heard Homeland Security thrown out there too. Personally HUD would make the most sense.

Homeland is a better platform to build a future presidential run though, no?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: LAKISYLVANIA on December 17, 2018, 05:31:32 PM


Could happen as she will likely try to announce before Warren or Sanders does.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on December 17, 2018, 05:52:33 PM


Well then, I guess he's running for president, because there's no other compelling reason not to run for another term.  Also:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/south-bend-mayor-pete-buttigieg-moves-toward-presidential-run/2018/12/17/e51930a2-fe5e-11e8-ad40-cdfd0e0dd65a_story.html

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Asked about his political future, Buttigieg said he doesn’t plan to make an announcement until the new year.

“I don’t think it’s a secret that we’re looking at things,” he said, adding that he plans to serve out the remaining year and two weeks in his term.

A presidential announcement also might not come right away in 2019, because he has a book coming out in February, and may want to do the book tour before officially becoming a candidate.


Indiana does have a Gubernatorial Election in 2020, so he might end up running for that office instead.

Do you think it's possible that Indiana splits the ticket and votes for Trump for president and Buttigieg for governor?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NewYorkExpress on December 17, 2018, 06:06:17 PM


Well then, I guess he's running for president, because there's no other compelling reason not to run for another term.  Also:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/south-bend-mayor-pete-buttigieg-moves-toward-presidential-run/2018/12/17/e51930a2-fe5e-11e8-ad40-cdfd0e0dd65a_story.html

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Asked about his political future, Buttigieg said he doesn’t plan to make an announcement until the new year.

“I don’t think it’s a secret that we’re looking at things,” he said, adding that he plans to serve out the remaining year and two weeks in his term.

A presidential announcement also might not come right away in 2019, because he has a book coming out in February, and may want to do the book tour before officially becoming a candidate.


Indiana does have a Gubernatorial Election in 2020, so he might end up running for that office instead.

Do you think it's possible that Indiana splits the ticket and votes for Trump for president and Buttigieg for governor?

If Buttgeig is the Gubernatorial nominee in 2020, it wouldn't shock me at all, but it would require a relatively weak Republican (or just someone who can easily be linked back to Mike Pence...apparently he really isn't all that popular in his home state).


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on December 17, 2018, 06:20:41 PM
Buttigieg’s dog again. Big if true.



Pete is a good guy, but a bit too early for the presidency. A cabinet position? Absolutely.

I agree. The most obvious position thrown out there has been HUD, but I’ve heard Homeland Security thrown out there too. Personally HUD would make the most sense.

Homeland is a better platform to build a future presidential run though, no?

Probably but I was just speaking to what he is more likely to be offered. The only thing that might slightly help his chances with getting Homeland would be that he is a veteran.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lognog on December 17, 2018, 08:48:50 PM


Well then, I guess he's running for president, because there's no other compelling reason not to run for another term.  Also:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/south-bend-mayor-pete-buttigieg-moves-toward-presidential-run/2018/12/17/e51930a2-fe5e-11e8-ad40-cdfd0e0dd65a_story.html

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Asked about his political future, Buttigieg said he doesn’t plan to make an announcement until the new year.

“I don’t think it’s a secret that we’re looking at things,” he said, adding that he plans to serve out the remaining year and two weeks in his term.

A presidential announcement also might not come right away in 2019, because he has a book coming out in February, and may want to do the book tour before officially becoming a candidate.


Indiana does have a Gubernatorial Election in 2020, so he might end up running for that office instead.

Do you think it's possible that Indiana splits the ticket and votes for Trump for president and Buttigieg for governor?

If Buttgeig is the Gubernatorial nominee in 2020, it wouldn't shock me at all, but it would require a relatively weak Republican (or just someone who can easily be linked back to Mike Pence...apparently he really isn't all that popular in his home state).

I just can't see a democrat winning statewide after 2018, even 2016 there was a governor's race that democrats could have won in 2016.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: lfromnj on December 17, 2018, 09:22:05 PM
Yeah buttigeg is basically screwed.
Indiana gov has a popular R incumbent in a red state. Safe r.
In 2nd is to the right of the state so he can't go for that.
Lol at president
His best bet would be a kander Yolo at todd young in 2022 in a trump midterm


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 18, 2018, 12:28:49 AM
Harris prepares for a campaign launch that may come in mid-to-late January:

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-run/articles/2018-12-17/kamala-harris-expected-to-move-quickly-on-2020-race-in-january

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If, as allies and those close to her anticipate, she settles on running over the holidays, they also expect her to move forward with an announcement swiftly, perhaps as soon as mid to late January.

"She's not one to make rash decisions. But historically, once she makes a decision, she acts quickly," says a person who has worked on her prior campaigns, noting, "I think she's close" to a decision. "I don't think it would be exploratory. If she's in, she's gonna be in."
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Conveniently, Harris also has a new book coming out just after the new year. "The Truths We Hold: An American Journey" has a title that rings like a presidential prelude. It publishes on Jan. 8 and includes a tour with four scheduled stops.

Promotion of the book will likely preclude Harris from moving on a campaign during the first two weeks of the year. But the media flurry that will surround it would make a seamless transition to taking the formal step sometime during the two weeks following.

Joe Biden continues to make comments that suggest to me that he may ultimately pass on a run.  Now says that “anyone” can beat Trump, which would seem to argue against the notion that he alone can do the deed:

https://theintercept.com/2018/12/17/joe-biden-2020-election-trump/

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After delivering an address at the Lantos Foundation’s 10th anniversary gala, where he was recognized with a legacy award, Biden was asked specifically by The Intercept why he thinks he’s the most qualified person to take on Trump.

“You don’t run for president unless you think you are qualified,” Biden replied.

“Why do you think you could beat President Trump? Why is this your time?” the former Delaware senator was asked.

“I think anybody can beat him,” Biden responded.

Warren is making phone calls to Iowa Democrats:

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/17/massachusetts-elizabeth-warren-iowa-democrats-2020-president-run-iowa-caucus-campaign/2339369002/

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The phone calls reflect continued movement behind the scenes as Warren decides whether to formally launch a presidential campaign. She said before the midterms that she would "take a hard look" at doing so.

"I would say she’s probably trying to feel out what (a campaign) would look like here," said Matt McCoy, a former state senator who was elected to the Polk County Board of Supervisors in November and who also fielded a call from Warren.

Indiana does have a Gubernatorial Election in 2020, so he might end up running for that office instead.

But he hasn't given any indication that he's interested in that, yet has given indication that he might be interested in a presidential run.  I figure it was either the presidency or another run for mayor.  So if he's not running for mayor, then I guess it's the presidency by default.


That's correct, but we have seen politicians Express interest in one office and then run for another office instead.

Well sure, he *could* run for some other office.  I'm just saying that it's more likely that he'll run for an office that he's actually said he might run for, which would be president or mayor.  Since mayor is out now, that means the odds on him launching a presidential run go way up.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Cold War Liberal on December 18, 2018, 01:23:46 AM


God help us.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: America Needs R'hllor on December 18, 2018, 02:11:29 AM


God help us.

Also, if Buttigieg runs I'd be really torn. On the one hand, I'd prefer he wins higher office like Governor or Congress before running. On the other hand, I think he'd make an amazing President after what he did in South Bend, and considering how hard it'd be for a Democrat to win Indiana, this might just be the right time. I'd probably be torn between Pete, Kirsten Gillibrand and Beto O'Rourke.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: brucejoel99 on December 18, 2018, 04:53:22 AM


God help us.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Coldstream on December 18, 2018, 05:23:36 AM


God help us.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on December 18, 2018, 09:39:28 AM
Harris prepares for a campaign launch that may come in mid-to-late January:

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-run/articles/2018-12-17/kamala-harris-expected-to-move-quickly-on-2020-race-in-january

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If, as allies and those close to her anticipate, she settles on running over the holidays, they also expect her to move forward with an announcement swiftly, perhaps as soon as mid to late January.

"She's not one to make rash decisions. But historically, once she makes a decision, she acts quickly," says a person who has worked on her prior campaigns, noting, "I think she's close" to a decision. "I don't think it would be exploratory. If she's in, she's gonna be in."
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Conveniently, Harris also has a new book coming out just after the new year. "The Truths We Hold: An American Journey" has a title that rings like a presidential prelude. It publishes on Jan. 8 and includes a tour with four scheduled stops.

Promotion of the book will likely preclude Harris from moving on a campaign during the first two weeks of the year. But the media flurry that will surround it would make a seamless transition to taking the formal step sometime during the two weeks following.



So Harris will be our first major announcement, this will put pressure on everyone else to declare by April


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sir Mohamed on December 18, 2018, 10:18:46 AM
Harris prepares for a campaign launch that may come in mid-to-late January:

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-run/articles/2018-12-17/kamala-harris-expected-to-move-quickly-on-2020-race-in-january

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If, as allies and those close to her anticipate, she settles on running over the holidays, they also expect her to move forward with an announcement swiftly, perhaps as soon as mid to late January.

"She's not one to make rash decisions. But historically, once she makes a decision, she acts quickly," says a person who has worked on her prior campaigns, noting, "I think she's close" to a decision. "I don't think it would be exploratory. If she's in, she's gonna be in."
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Conveniently, Harris also has a new book coming out just after the new year. "The Truths We Hold: An American Journey" has a title that rings like a presidential prelude. It publishes on Jan. 8 and includes a tour with four scheduled stops.

Promotion of the book will likely preclude Harris from moving on a campaign during the first two weeks of the year. But the media flurry that will surround it would make a seamless transition to taking the formal step sometime during the two weeks following.



So Harris will be our first major announcement, this will put pressure on everyone else to declare by April

YES! QUEEN KAMALA, the first female President of the United States! <3


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Beet on December 18, 2018, 10:55:11 AM
Harris prepares for a campaign launch that may come in mid-to-late January:

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-run/articles/2018-12-17/kamala-harris-expected-to-move-quickly-on-2020-race-in-january

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If, as allies and those close to her anticipate, she settles on running over the holidays, they also expect her to move forward with an announcement swiftly, perhaps as soon as mid to late January.

"She's not one to make rash decisions. But historically, once she makes a decision, she acts quickly," says a person who has worked on her prior campaigns, noting, "I think she's close" to a decision. "I don't think it would be exploratory. If she's in, she's gonna be in."
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Conveniently, Harris also has a new book coming out just after the new year. "The Truths We Hold: An American Journey" has a title that rings like a presidential prelude. It publishes on Jan. 8 and includes a tour with four scheduled stops.

Promotion of the book will likely preclude Harris from moving on a campaign during the first two weeks of the year. But the media flurry that will surround it would make a seamless transition to taking the formal step sometime during the two weeks following.



So Harris will be our first major announcement, this will put pressure on everyone else to declare by April

YES! QUEEN KAMALA, the first female President of the United States! <3

I have no idea why people love her. At first I just thought she was just overhyped, but she' actually terrible. Her office:

- Defended a prosecutor caught making up a transcript of a fake confession

- Hid massive abuses in the state crime lab

- Argued that a guy ruled not guilty should still be in prison because he didn't prove his innocent fast enough

- Supported a bill that would have locked up poor parents of color for kids' truancy

- Argued that people should be kept in prison longer because of cheap labor

- One of her top advisors was involved in a years-long MeToo scandal involving retaliation

- Started her career with nepotism

- Sent out a tweet purporting to raise money for Stacey Abrams last month, when half the money actually went to herself

That's on top of all the Mnuchin stuff that always gets attention. I mean whatever, if people don't want to care about any of that, that's their choice. But any time Harris becomes really controversial (which WILL happen, especially if she does well) there will be plenty of material to get her with.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: LAKISYLVANIA on December 18, 2018, 12:21:29 PM


God help us.

Also, if Buttigieg runs I'd be really torn. On the one hand, I'd prefer he wins higher office like Governor or Congress before running. On the other hand, I think he'd make an amazing President after what he did in South Bend, and considering how hard it'd be for a Democrat to win Indiana, this might just be the right time. I'd probably be torn between Pete, Kirsten Gillibrand and Beto O'Rourke.

He should run to raise name awareness, and maybe be included in cabinet or as a possible VP candidate. (he would be an excellent pick for Kamala).


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: President Johnson on December 18, 2018, 02:33:22 PM


God help us.

Also, if Buttigieg runs I'd be really torn. On the one hand, I'd prefer he wins higher office like Governor or Congress before running. On the other hand, I think he'd make an amazing President after what he did in South Bend, and considering how hard it'd be for a Democrat to win Indiana, this might just be the right time. I'd probably be torn between Pete, Kirsten Gillibrand and Beto O'Rourke.

Yeah, Buttigieg is screwed when it comes to running for federal/statewide office in Indiana because there is a (D) next to his name. This is why I think he should be considered for the cabinet. HUD, Transporation or Education would be good as a starter. Maybe UN Ambassador if he's interested to earn foreign policy credentials.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: America Needs R'hllor on December 18, 2018, 02:39:13 PM


God help us.

Also, if Buttigieg runs I'd be really torn. On the one hand, I'd prefer he wins higher office like Governor or Congress before running. On the other hand, I think he'd make an amazing President after what he did in South Bend, and considering how hard it'd be for a Democrat to win Indiana, this might just be the right time. I'd probably be torn between Pete, Kirsten Gillibrand and Beto O'Rourke.

He should run to raise name awareness, and maybe be included in cabinet or as a possible VP candidate. (he would be an excellent pick for Kamala).

This is probably true. There's really nothing to lose if he runs (except if he embarrasses himself, but there's a risk in everything you do), and it's likely the best path for him at this point.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: President Johnson on December 18, 2018, 02:45:57 PM


God help us.

Also, if Buttigieg runs I'd be really torn. On the one hand, I'd prefer he wins higher office like Governor or Congress before running. On the other hand, I think he'd make an amazing President after what he did in South Bend, and considering how hard it'd be for a Democrat to win Indiana, this might just be the right time. I'd probably be torn between Pete, Kirsten Gillibrand and Beto O'Rourke.

He should run to raise name awareness, and maybe be included in cabinet or as a possible VP candidate. (he would be an excellent pick for Kamala).

This is probably true. There's really nothing to lose if he runs (except if he embarrasses himself, but there's a risk in everything you do), and it's likely the best path for him at this point.

I wonder whether not a handful of Democratic candidates this cycle only run to angle for an administration job. Same with Richard Ojeda, who could make a good Veteran's Secretary.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on December 18, 2018, 03:22:26 PM
There will be at least 3 vets running if Buttigieg runs which is pretty impressive for the party. Unfortunately all of the likely candidates are lower tier, wish we had more viable vet candidates considering many were part of the success in 2018.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on December 18, 2018, 03:28:48 PM
There will be at least 3 vets running if Buttigieg runs which is pretty impressive for the party. Unfortunately all of the likely candidates are lower tier, wish we had more viable vet candidates considering many were part of the success in 2018.

Duckworth would be a strong candidate but has shown no signs that she's running.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on December 18, 2018, 03:33:32 PM
Harris prepares for a campaign launch that may come in mid-to-late January:

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-run/articles/2018-12-17/kamala-harris-expected-to-move-quickly-on-2020-race-in-january

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If, as allies and those close to her anticipate, she settles on running over the holidays, they also expect her to move forward with an announcement swiftly, perhaps as soon as mid to late January.

"She's not one to make rash decisions. But historically, once she makes a decision, she acts quickly," says a person who has worked on her prior campaigns, noting, "I think she's close" to a decision. "I don't think it would be exploratory. If she's in, she's gonna be in."
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Conveniently, Harris also has a new book coming out just after the new year. "The Truths We Hold: An American Journey" has a title that rings like a presidential prelude. It publishes on Jan. 8 and includes a tour with four scheduled stops.

Promotion of the book will likely preclude Harris from moving on a campaign during the first two weeks of the year. But the media flurry that will surround it would make a seamless transition to taking the formal step sometime during the two weeks following.



So Harris will be our first major announcement, this will put pressure on everyone else to declare by April

YES! QUEEN KAMALA, the first female President of the United States! <3

I have no idea why people love her. At first I just thought she was just overhyped, but she' actually terrible. Her office:

- Defended a prosecutor caught making up a transcript of a fake confession

- Hid massive abuses in the state crime lab

- Argued that a guy ruled not guilty should still be in prison because he didn't prove his innocent fast enough

- Supported a bill that would have locked up poor parents of color for kids' truancy

- Argued that people should be kept in prison longer because of cheap labor

- One of her top advisors was involved in a years-long MeToo scandal involving retaliation

- Started her career with nepotism

- Sent out a tweet purporting to raise money for Stacey Abrams last month, when half the money actually went to herself

That's on top of all the Mnuchin stuff that always gets attention. I mean whatever, if people don't want to care about any of that, that's their choice. But any time Harris becomes really controversial (which WILL happen, especially if she does well) there will be plenty of material to get her with.

Yeah I mean I would vote for her if she's the nominee but she won't even be my 6th choice in the primary. Horrid criminal justice reform record.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: President Johnson on December 18, 2018, 03:40:53 PM
Harris prepares for a campaign launch that may come in mid-to-late January:

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-run/articles/2018-12-17/kamala-harris-expected-to-move-quickly-on-2020-race-in-january

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If, as allies and those close to her anticipate, she settles on running over the holidays, they also expect her to move forward with an announcement swiftly, perhaps as soon as mid to late January.

"She's not one to make rash decisions. But historically, once she makes a decision, she acts quickly," says a person who has worked on her prior campaigns, noting, "I think she's close" to a decision. "I don't think it would be exploratory. If she's in, she's gonna be in."
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Conveniently, Harris also has a new book coming out just after the new year. "The Truths We Hold: An American Journey" has a title that rings like a presidential prelude. It publishes on Jan. 8 and includes a tour with four scheduled stops.

Promotion of the book will likely preclude Harris from moving on a campaign during the first two weeks of the year. But the media flurry that will surround it would make a seamless transition to taking the formal step sometime during the two weeks following.



So Harris will be our first major announcement, this will put pressure on everyone else to declare by April

YES! QUEEN KAMALA, the first female President of the United States! <3

I have no idea why people love her. At first I just thought she was just overhyped, but she' actually terrible. Her office:

- Defended a prosecutor caught making up a transcript of a fake confession

- Hid massive abuses in the state crime lab

- Argued that a guy ruled not guilty should still be in prison because he didn't prove his innocent fast enough

- Supported a bill that would have locked up poor parents of color for kids' truancy

- Argued that people should be kept in prison longer because of cheap labor

- One of her top advisors was involved in a years-long MeToo scandal involving retaliation

- Started her career with nepotism

- Sent out a tweet purporting to raise money for Stacey Abrams last month, when half the money actually went to herself

That's on top of all the Mnuchin stuff that always gets attention. I mean whatever, if people don't want to care about any of that, that's their choice. But any time Harris becomes really controversial (which WILL happen, especially if she does well) there will be plenty of material to get her with.

Yeah I mean I would vote for her if she's the nominee but she won't even be my 6th choice in the primary. Horrid criminal justice reform record.

Yeah, part of these is the reason she dropped in my list of preferred candidates. I think Amy Klobuchar is by far the best female candidate and would be the best running mate for a male nominee. I'm also a bit concered Harris would play too much the "identity politics card".


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on December 18, 2018, 03:44:49 PM
There will be at least 3 vets running if Buttigieg runs which is pretty impressive for the party. Unfortunately all of the likely candidates are lower tier, wish we had more viable vet candidates considering many were part of the success in 2018.

Duckworth would be a strong candidate but has shown no signs that she's running.

Duckworth not running is the biggest disappoint for me, she has so much political talent. Literally the best attributes Dems could hope for in a candidate.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NewYorkExpress on December 18, 2018, 10:44:39 PM
There will be at least 3 vets running if Buttigieg runs which is pretty impressive for the party. Unfortunately all of the likely candidates are lower tier, wish we had more viable vet candidates considering many were part of the success in 2018.

Duckworth would be a strong candidate but has shown no signs that she's running.

Duckworth not running is the biggest disappoint for me, she has so much political talent. Literally the best attributes Dems could hope for in a candidate.

Duckworth might well be someone's VP nominee (she'd make a good one for almost anyone).


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 19, 2018, 12:04:10 AM
Harris’s chief of staff is leaving her Senate office to take a “senior adviser role” at her PAC:

https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article223256795.html

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Sen. Kamala Harris’ chief of staff is departing her Senate office to take on a senior adviser role at her political action committee, yet another signal the California Democrat is preparing to launch a 2020 bid for president.

Harris on Tuesday morning announced that Nathan Barankin, a longtime aide and veteran of California politics, would leave his job in the Senate. Rohini Kosoglu, currently Harris’ deputy chief of staff, will replace Barankin.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 19, 2018, 12:40:59 AM
No timeline for O'Rourke:

http://www.texarkanagazette.com/news/texas/story/2018/dec/19/no-timeline-orourke-not-rushing-2020-decision-despite-buzz/757284/

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The outgoing Texas congressman's team says he has no timeline or roadmap for deciding if he'd like to parlay a surprisingly close loss to Republican Sen. Ted Cruz into a White House try. People close to O'Rourke insist he hasn't expanded staff or lined up consultants even as the interest in him intensifies. They say he's spoken to top Democratic donors, but describe such discussions as fact-finding missions, researching the logistics of a possible run rather than securing assurances that coming campaign cash would go to him and not others.
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A pivotal factor for O'Rourke is if he wants to again be away from his wife and three kids so much after seeing so little of them while running for the Senate. His wife, Amy, is one of the key people helping him mull over his next move, similar to how she was a top Senate campaign adviser, often included on email chains weighing new ideas and strategy.

"They're constantly talking," said Illiana Noemi Holguin, chairwoman of the El Paso County Democratic Party. "Amy's going to have a big, big voice."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 19, 2018, 09:59:48 AM
Bennet reiterates that he's "thinking about it":

https://news.yahoo.com/colorado-senator-michael-bennet-says-considering-run-democratic-presidential-nomination-100013444.html

WaPo talks about some of the Iowa jockeying:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-ways-subtle-and-loud-the-presidential-contest-is-already-underway-in-iowa/2018/12/18/8553a2d8-ffc6-11e8-862a-b6a6f3ce8199_story.html?utm_term=.827ceac200df

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Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) has been calling top Iowa Democrats, seeking advice. South Carolina strategist Philip Chambers, who is working for Garcetti, spent several days in the state this month meeting with operatives.

Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) has reached out to potential staffers, Gov. Steve Bullock (D-Mont.) is expected again soon and Michael Bloomberg, the former New York mayor, was just in Iowa.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: aaroncd107 on December 19, 2018, 02:38:10 PM
Dunno if we caught this, but



The Mayor is headed to Iowa!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: beaver2.0 on December 19, 2018, 04:09:27 PM
Dunno if we caught this, but



The Mayor is headed to Iowa!
I don't understand Buttigieg hype.  The guy was mayor of a city of 100,000.  South Bend isn't in the top 10,25,50, or even 100 cities.  According to Wikipedia it's ranked 301 in the US.  And he's not even like Ojeda, who has a message that's especially different from the party mainstream.  Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the guy, but Pete Buttigieg just doesn't seem like Presidential material at this time.

But if this is how we're going to do things, Boulder Mayor Suzanne "Zan" Jones 2020!  She runs the 280th largest city in the US.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on December 19, 2018, 04:58:08 PM
Dunno if we caught this, but



The Mayor is headed to Iowa!
I don't understand Buttigieg hype.  The guy was mayor of a city of 100,000.  South Bend isn't in the top 10,25,50, or even 100 cities.  According to Wikipedia it's ranked 301 in the US.  And he's not even like Ojeda, who has a message that's especially different from the party mainstream.  Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the guy, but Pete Buttigieg just doesn't seem like Presidential material at this time.

But if this is how we're going to do things, Boulder Mayor Suzanne "Zan" Jones 2020!  She runs the 280th largest city in the US.

I think Trump's win has really eroded the idea that a president needs tons of prior experience.

I'm for Buttigieg running for president if he drops out before Iowa and expands his base heading into a potential 2020 Indiana gubernatorial run. With an enthusiastic campaign and a Libertarian candidate making it a 3 way race he may have a shot.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: beaver2.0 on December 19, 2018, 05:05:21 PM
Dunno if we caught this, but



The Mayor is headed to Iowa!
I don't understand Buttigieg hype.  The guy was mayor of a city of 100,000.  South Bend isn't in the top 10,25,50, or even 100 cities.  According to Wikipedia it's ranked 301 in the US.  And he's not even like Ojeda, who has a message that's especially different from the party mainstream.  Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the guy, but Pete Buttigieg just doesn't seem like Presidential material at this time.

But if this is how we're going to do things, Boulder Mayor Suzanne "Zan" Jones 2020!  She runs the 280th largest city in the US.

I think Trump's win has really eroded the idea that a president needs tons of prior experience.

I'm for Buttigieg running for president if he drops out before Iowa and expands his base heading into a potential 2020 Indiana gubernatorial run. With an enthusiastic campaign and a Libertarian candidate making it a 3 way race he may have a shot.
I do agree Trump's election has given Democrats the idea they don't need to nominate an ultra-experienced politician, but these are the same people that are still complaining Trump doesn't have experience, but are fanboy-ing Michelle Obama and Oprah.

I'd rather have a businessman than a small-town mayor (which, let's be honest, Buttigieg is) If he is working up to a run for Governor, I can understand a run a bit more.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on December 19, 2018, 06:12:34 PM
Buttigieg is a classic book deal candidate I've put Ojeda in this category too but he seems like more of  grifter than anything. Buttigieg is looking to earn his spot as a commentator on CNN/MSNBC, the alternative is fading into obscurity with no where to go in a red state.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Da2017 on December 19, 2018, 08:02:36 PM
I'm worried Gillibrand will play too much Identity politics. Out of all the females candidate she is likely to play woman's card. Right now she has a steep hill to climb. I think voters will perceive her is saying what they want to hear rather than what she believes in. It's easy to accuse her of pandering.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on December 19, 2018, 08:22:05 PM
I'm worried Gillibrand will play too much Identity politics. Out of all the females candidate she is likely to play woman's card. Right now she has a steep hill to climb. I think voters will perceive her is saying what they want to hear rather than what she believes in. It's easy to accuse her of pandering.

It just won't work when there are a bunch of other women running. She needs to distinguish herself, one thing that sets her apart from most of the field is that she's the only young mother. That would be really endearing with women primary voters and parents, she needs to be pushing family issues instead of feminism.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on December 19, 2018, 08:38:10 PM
I'm worried Gillibrand will play too much Identity politics. Out of all the females candidate she is likely to play woman's card. Right now she has a steep hill to climb. I think voters will perceive her is saying what they want to hear rather than what she believes in. It's easy to accuse her of pandering.

It just won't work when there are a bunch of other women running. She needs to distinguish herself, one thing that sets her apart from most of the field is that she's the only young mother. That would be really endearing with women primary voters and parents, she needs to be pushing family issues instead of feminism.

As if she doesn't already do that.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on December 19, 2018, 08:45:59 PM


Well, looks like I've gone from Avenatti to Castro to Gabbard, if and when she announces.

If it means anything, Tulsi2020.com requires administrator login, something rare of people who buy the political domains just to troll or never use.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: 136or142 on December 19, 2018, 09:13:00 PM
I'm worried Gillibrand will play too much Identity politics. Out of all the females candidate she is likely to play woman's card. Right now she has a steep hill to climb. I think voters will perceive her is saying what they want to hear rather than what she believes in. It's easy to accuse her of pandering.

I agree with this.  It's not hard to think she's insincere.  In addition to what you wrote here there was also,
during the election campaign: Shermanesque "I'm not running for President"
Immediately after being reelected "I'm considering running for President."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 19, 2018, 10:20:11 PM
Merkley says he'll decide within the first three months of 2019:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sen-jeff-merkley-family-board-2020-presidential-run/story?id=59894938

Also says that his family is already on board if he decides to run, and that he won't defer to any other candidate in making his decision:

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While he had praise for Sanders, he said for 2020, “I’m not necessarily deferring to anyone.”

Merkley also said his family is on board if he decides to run.

"They had a veto over the project, and they have all now given it a thumbs-up,” he said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Grassroots on December 19, 2018, 11:02:18 PM
If it means anything, Tulsi2020.com requires administrator login, something rare of people who buy the political domains just to troll or never use.

Checked and conformed. Its obvious she's already decided at least on an exploratory committee.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on December 19, 2018, 11:14:07 PM
If it means anything, Tulsi2020.com requires administrator login, something rare of people who buy the political domains just to troll or never use.

Checked and conformed. Its obvious she's already decided at least on an exploratory committee.

Now we wait for Atlas' shredding of someone who, for all intents and purposes, is a generally good candidate.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: No War, but the War on Christmas on December 20, 2018, 05:24:24 AM
If it means anything, Tulsi2020.com requires administrator login, something rare of people who buy the political domains just to troll or never use.

Checked and conformed. Its obvious she's already decided at least on an exploratory committee.

Now we wait for Atlas' shredding of someone who, for all intents and purposes, is a generally good candidate.

Oh my God, an O'Rourke/Gabbard ticket would be my dream come true.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: brucejoel99 on December 20, 2018, 05:49:53 AM
If it means anything, Tulsi2020.com requires administrator login, something rare of people who buy the political domains just to troll or never use.

Checked and conformed. Its obvious she's already decided at least on an exploratory committee.

Now we wait for Atlas' shredding of someone who, for all intents and purposes, is a generally good candidate.

LOL no.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: No War, but the War on Christmas on December 20, 2018, 06:21:23 AM
If it means anything, Tulsi2020.com requires administrator login, something rare of people who buy the political domains just to troll or never use.

Checked and conformed. Its obvious she's already decided at least on an exploratory committee.

Now we wait for Atlas' shredding of someone who, for all intents and purposes, is a generally good candidate.

LOL no.

May I ask why? She served our country overseas, she's not afraid to stand up to Trump, she's got great foreign policy credentials. And it doesn't hurt that she's young and photogenic.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on December 20, 2018, 07:43:30 AM
If it means anything, Tulsi2020.com requires administrator login, something rare of people who buy the political domains just to troll or never use.

Checked and conformed. Its obvious she's already decided at least on an exploratory committee.

Now we wait for Atlas' shredding of someone who, for all intents and purposes, is a generally good candidate.

LOL no.

May I ask why? She served our country overseas, she's not afraid to stand up to Trump, she's got great foreign policy credentials. And it doesn't hurt that she's young and photogenic.

Pre-2016 voting record and relationships with Assad and Modi. I say this as someone who was once very keen on Gabbard, if she runs she'll be my 6th option after Bernie, Merkley, Warren, Brown and even Gillibrand.

Also, the comments she's made on the LGBT community in the past will definitely be brought up during the campaign.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Big Boy Beto on December 20, 2018, 08:03:58 AM
Michelle Obama has been spotted with Barack Obama... Surely this means that she’s running for president.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on December 20, 2018, 08:18:35 AM
Michelle Obama has been spotted with Barack Obama... Surely this means that she’s running for president.

- Buzzfeed News


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on December 20, 2018, 08:21:35 AM
If it means anything, Tulsi2020.com requires administrator login, something rare of people who buy the political domains just to troll or never use.

Checked and conformed. Its obvious she's already decided at least on an exploratory committee.

Now we wait for Atlas' shredding of someone who, for all intents and purposes, is a generally good candidate.

LOL no.

May I ask why? She served our country overseas, she's not afraid to stand up to Trump, she's got great foreign policy credentials. And it doesn't hurt that she's young and photogenic.

Pre-2016 voting record and relationships with Assad and Modi. I say this as someone who was once very keen on Gabbard, if she runs she'll be my 6th option after Bernie, Merkley, Warren, Brown and even Gillibrand.

Also, the comments she's made on the LGBT community in the past will definitely be brought up during the campaign.

May I ask, seeing that you're an apparent Socialist or Democratic Socialist, why Gillibrand? She's my personal #1 if she runs, but most progressives despise her.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on December 20, 2018, 09:42:53 AM
If it means anything, Tulsi2020.com requires administrator login, something rare of people who buy the political domains just to troll or never use.

Checked and conformed. Its obvious she's already decided at least on an exploratory committee.

Now we wait for Atlas' shredding of someone who, for all intents and purposes, is a generally good candidate.

LOL no.

May I ask why? She served our country overseas, she's not afraid to stand up to Trump, she's got great foreign policy credentials. And it doesn't hurt that she's young and photogenic.

Pre-2016 voting record and relationships with Assad and Modi. I say this as someone who was once very keen on Gabbard, if she runs she'll be my 6th option after Bernie, Merkley, Warren, Brown and even Gillibrand.

Also, the comments she's made on the LGBT community in the past will definitely be brought up during the campaign.

May I ask, seeing that you're an apparent Socialist or Democratic Socialist, why Gillibrand? She's my personal #1 if she runs, but most progressives despise her.

Since joining the Senate she's had a far more consistent record of supporting progressive legislation (her support for the Disclose act way back in 2012 for example) than say Booker or O'Rouke. For that reason I believe she is more sincere in her policy shift than the post-Trump "progressives"


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ViaActiva on December 20, 2018, 01:33:38 PM
Dunno if we caught this, but



The Mayor is headed to Iowa!
I don't understand Buttigieg hype.  The guy was mayor of a city of 100,000.  South Bend isn't in the top 10,25,50, or even 100 cities.  According to Wikipedia it's ranked 301 in the US.  And he's not even like Ojeda, who has a message that's especially different from the party mainstream.  Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the guy, but Pete Buttigieg just doesn't seem like Presidential material at this time.

But if this is how we're going to do things, Boulder Mayor Suzanne "Zan" Jones 2020!  She runs the 280th largest city in the US.

I think Trump's win has really eroded the idea that a president needs tons of prior experience.

This I really do not understand - are we seriously taking Trump as the benchmark of credibility now?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on December 20, 2018, 01:45:30 PM
Dunno if we caught this, but



The Mayor is headed to Iowa!
I don't understand Buttigieg hype.  The guy was mayor of a city of 100,000.  South Bend isn't in the top 10,25,50, or even 100 cities.  According to Wikipedia it's ranked 301 in the US.  And he's not even like Ojeda, who has a message that's especially different from the party mainstream.  Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the guy, but Pete Buttigieg just doesn't seem like Presidential material at this time.

But if this is how we're going to do things, Boulder Mayor Suzanne "Zan" Jones 2020!  She runs the 280th largest city in the US.

I think Trump's win has really eroded the idea that a president needs tons of prior experience.

This I really do not understand - are we seriously taking Trump as the benchmark of credibility now?

And a businessman is not really a bad spring board to run for President, it is an executive position. Any CEO of a large company will most likely deal a lot with policy and oversees an organization as complex as the federal government. The responsibilities of a Mayor are far smaller, it's usually diluted by a city council and their role is largely fixing potholes and passing ordinances.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Ye We Can on December 20, 2018, 01:58:17 PM
There will be at least 3 vets running if Buttigieg runs which is pretty impressive for the party. Unfortunately all of the likely candidates are lower tier, wish we had more viable vet candidates considering many were part of the success in 2018.

Duckworth would be a strong candidate but has shown no signs that she's running.

Duckworth not running is the biggest disappoint for me, she has so much political talent. Literally the best attributes Dems could hope for in a candidate.

Duckworth is boring, o so boring


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on December 20, 2018, 09:02:01 PM
Dunno if we caught this, but



The Mayor is headed to Iowa!
I don't understand Buttigieg hype.  The guy was mayor of a city of 100,000.  South Bend isn't in the top 10,25,50, or even 100 cities.  According to Wikipedia it's ranked 301 in the US.  And he's not even like Ojeda, who has a message that's especially different from the party mainstream.  Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the guy, but Pete Buttigieg just doesn't seem like Presidential material at this time.

But if this is how we're going to do things, Boulder Mayor Suzanne "Zan" Jones 2020!  She runs the 280th largest city in the US.

I think Trump's win has really eroded the idea that a president needs tons of prior experience.

This I really do not understand - are we seriously taking Trump as the benchmark of credibility now?

I would hope not, but since his win a ton of people who would have never been considered viable candidates have been promoted.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NewYorkExpress on December 20, 2018, 11:50:58 PM
Michelle Obama has been spotted with Barack Obama... Surely this means that she’s running for president.

Hey, if Michelle ran, she'd have the coveted Barack Obama endorsement without having to work for it (and she might even get the endorsements of both Bill and Hillary Clinton too, but I'm not sure that's a positive).


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on December 21, 2018, 01:28:54 AM
If Michelle Obama ever wanted to be president she would've ran for mayor of Chicago and cruise to victory in 2019. I doubt she cares


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: brucejoel99 on December 21, 2018, 04:38:28 AM
If it means anything, Tulsi2020.com requires administrator login, something rare of people who buy the political domains just to troll or never use.

Checked and conformed. Its obvious she's already decided at least on an exploratory committee.

Now we wait for Atlas' shredding of someone who, for all intents and purposes, is a generally good candidate.

LOL no.

May I ask why? She served our country overseas, she's not afraid to stand up to Trump, she's got great foreign policy credentials. And it doesn't hurt that she's young and photogenic.

Pre-2016 voting record and relationships with Assad and Modi. I say this as someone who was once very keen on Gabbard, if she runs she'll be my 6th option after Bernie, Merkley, Warren, Brown and even Gillibrand.

Also, the comments she's made on the LGBT community in the past will definitely be brought up during the campaign.

This this this all this 1000x this. "Generally good candidate" on opposite day only.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on December 21, 2018, 11:58:02 AM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Grassroots on December 21, 2018, 12:31:55 PM
If it means anything, Tulsi2020.com requires administrator login, something rare of people who buy the political domains just to troll or never use.

Checked and conformed. Its obvious she's already decided at least on an exploratory committee.

Now we wait for Atlas' shredding of someone who, for all intents and purposes, is a generally good candidate.

LOL no.

May I ask why? She served our country overseas, she's not afraid to stand up to Trump, she's got great foreign policy credentials. And it doesn't hurt that she's young and photogenic.

Also, the comments she's made on the LGBT community in the past will definitely be brought up during the campaign.

Hillary Clinton?



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: brucejoel99 on December 21, 2018, 12:35:22 PM
If it means anything, Tulsi2020.com requires administrator login, something rare of people who buy the political domains just to troll or never use.

Checked and conformed. Its obvious she's already decided at least on an exploratory committee.

Now we wait for Atlas' shredding of someone who, for all intents and purposes, is a generally good candidate.

LOL no.

May I ask why? She served our country overseas, she's not afraid to stand up to Trump, she's got great foreign policy credentials. And it doesn't hurt that she's young and photogenic.

Also, the comments she's made on the LGBT community in the past will definitely be brought up during the campaign.

Hillary Clinton?

Tulsi


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on December 21, 2018, 12:49:22 PM
If it means anything, Tulsi2020.com requires administrator login, something rare of people who buy the political domains just to troll or never use.

Checked and conformed. Its obvious she's already decided at least on an exploratory committee.

Now we wait for Atlas' shredding of someone who, for all intents and purposes, is a generally good candidate.

LOL no.

May I ask why? She served our country overseas, she's not afraid to stand up to Trump, she's got great foreign policy credentials. And it doesn't hurt that she's young and photogenic.

Pre-2016 voting record and relationships with Assad and Modi. I say this as someone who was once very keen on Gabbard, if she runs she'll be my 6th option after Bernie, Merkley, Warren, Brown and even Gillibrand.

Also, the comments she's made on the LGBT community in the past will definitely be brought up during the campaign.

May I ask, seeing that you're an apparent Socialist or Democratic Socialist, why Gillibrand? She's my personal #1 if she runs, but most progressives despise her.
No, we don’t. She’s come out in favor of Medicare For All and the abolition of ICE, which generally puts her to the left of the party. She’s better than many potential candidates on criminal justice reform, too. Gillibrand is probably my number 3 after Merkley and Sanders. I also think very highly of her for placing a priority on sexual harassment and assault. As a survivor it’s refreshing, especially when she’ll be up against someone like Biden, who defamed Anita Hill (which is why he’s on my “will not support” list).

If it means anything, Tulsi2020.com requires administrator login, something rare of people who buy the political domains just to troll or never use.

Checked and conformed. Its obvious she's already decided at least on an exploratory committee.

Now we wait for Atlas' shredding of someone who, for all intents and purposes, is a generally good candidate.

LOL no.

May I ask why? She served our country overseas, she's not afraid to stand up to Trump, she's got great foreign policy credentials. And it doesn't hurt that she's young and photogenic.

Also, the comments she's made on the LGBT community in the past will definitely be brought up during the campaign.

Hillary Clinton?

Tulsi
Yeah, Hillary was just for 1M1W marriage back when like 70% of the country also opposed same-sex marriage. She never called it a “conspiracy pushed by homosexual extremists” like Tulsi did.

Hell, Hillary made appearances with AIDS patients back when people still thought you could catch it from a handshake.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 21, 2018, 04:37:43 PM
Kasich expounded on this chances in both the GOP primary or as an Independent a few days ago:

https://www.cleveland.com//politics/2018/12/john-kasich-says-he-couldnt-beat-president-donald-trump-in-a-gop-primary.html

Quote
Gov. John Kasich on Wednesday voiced doubts about challenging President Donald Trump in 2020, saying right now he couldn’t beat the president in a Republican primary.

“I don’t get into things that I don’t think I can win,” the term-limited governor said during a Columbus Metropolitan Club luncheon. “And I think right now, today, inside the Republican Party, I can’t beat him [Trump] in a primary.”

Kasich again brought up the prospect of running for president as a independent, though he noted that such candidates usually don’t win.

“I don’t have to be a candidate to have a voice,” the governor said. “Because I will have a voice, believe me.”

Recap of the Progress Iowa dinner here (including excerpts from interviews with the candidates):

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/20/merkley-buttigieg-swalwell-and-yang-take-stage-iowa-dems-dinner-progress-iowa-caucus-2020-president/2383108002/

Quote
In an interview with the Des Moines Register, Merkley said he's inching closer to a decision to run for president and has earned the support of his family to mount a campaign.

"The question is: Can I do more as a senator ... on these issues in January 2021, or can I do more by being in a primary campaign?" he said. "That’s what I’m wrestling with."

Quote
"Conversations (about a presidential run) are getting pretty real," Buttigieg said in an interview. "And I think, really, January will be the time to make some steps."

Quote
Swalwell said in an interview he plans to make a decision about whether to run for president in the first quarter of the year.

"I’ve been encouraged by a lot of people I respect to run — not to just be out there but to make a difference," he said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on December 21, 2018, 05:05:09 PM

Yeah, Hillary was just for 1M1W marriage back when like 70% of the country also opposed same-sex marriage. She never called it a “conspiracy pushed by homosexual extremists” like Tulsi did

Hell, Hillary made appearances with AIDS patients back when people still thought you could catch it from a handshake.

This.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 22, 2018, 12:36:18 AM
Inslee planning two more visits to New Hampshire in the near future:

https://www.king5.com/article/news/politics/what-does-gov-jay-inslee-need-to-know-before-deciding-to-run-for-president/281-6cb9868d-eac9-4696-ad37-9339eaab348d

He also says he'll make a decision on a presidential run by April.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on December 22, 2018, 11:13:47 AM
Good article about Connie Shultz.



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Woody on December 22, 2018, 12:31:34 PM
Inslee planning two more visits to New Hampshire in the near future:

https://www.king5.com/article/news/politics/what-does-gov-jay-inslee-need-to-know-before-deciding-to-run-for-president/281-6cb9868d-eac9-4696-ad37-9339eaab348d

He also says he'll make a decision on a presidential run by April.

Jerry Brown 2.0


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Beet on December 22, 2018, 12:34:03 PM
Inslee planning two more visits to New Hampshire in the near future:

https://www.king5.com/article/news/politics/what-does-gov-jay-inslee-need-to-know-before-deciding-to-run-for-president/281-6cb9868d-eac9-4696-ad37-9339eaab348d

He also says he'll make a decision on a presidential run by April.

Jerry Brown 2.0

If Inslee does as well as Jerry Brown, who got nearly 600 delegates to come in 2nd, that would be amazing for him.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 22, 2018, 04:26:51 PM
Larry Hogan says he doesn't plan on running for president either in 2020 or some subsequent year, but “I don’t think you can ever rule anything out”:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/hogan-on-2020-presidential-run-sports-gambling/2018/12/21/307f09db-911f-430e-bc52-a7191046af38_video.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Illini on December 23, 2018, 11:40:17 AM
On Fox News Sunday, Kasich said that he is "actively considering" running for he Presidency. When asked if that meant that he would run as a Republican or an Independent, he said that "all options are on the table."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Comrade Funk on December 23, 2018, 11:42:23 AM
Ted Cruz's chief strategist on new Beto blog post:



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on December 23, 2018, 12:39:32 PM
Nate makes a point a lot of us have been saying. At least Beto and Abrams out performed. Gillum lost a race he should have won.



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on December 23, 2018, 12:56:31 PM
Gillum is a failure. I roll my eyes every time he is coupled with Beto and Stacey. He lost to someone who ran a Neo-Nazi facebook page and refused to return the donation of someone who called Obama a Muslim N____r in a swing state that Obama won twice (!) so I don't want to hear about the Bradley effect.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Starry Eyed Jagaloon on December 23, 2018, 01:05:07 PM
Gillum is a failure. I roll my eyes every time he is coupled with Beto and Stacey. He lost to someone who ran a Neo-Nazi facebook page and refused to return the donation of someone who called Obama a Muslim N____r in a swing state that Obama won twice (!) so I don't want to hear about the Bradley effect.
Gwen would have won *ducks*


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Blair on December 23, 2018, 01:11:00 PM
Gillum is a failure. I roll my eyes every time he is coupled with Beto and Stacey. He lost to someone who ran a Neo-Nazi facebook page and refused to return the donation of someone who called Obama a Muslim N____r in a swing state that Obama won twice (!) so I don't want to hear about the Bradley effect.
Gwen would have won *ducks*

After her piss poor performance in the primary I disagree- she had a complete monopoly on the state party, and all the backing iirc of the usual special interests groups.

There may be 10,000 voters who really liked Scott, but hated DeSantis- but if you take out Gillum you get rid of the surge of African-Americans, and I still struggle to see who's voting Scott/Graham.

But yes- Gillum shouldn't run for President.



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on December 23, 2018, 01:11:26 PM
Democratic donors who want to donate to Gillum might as well donate to Trump directly.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on December 23, 2018, 02:11:01 PM
This participation trophy candidacy trend lately with Dems is weird, oh you lost but you still can run for President even if you lost a completely winnable race. It's infuriating considering there are perfectly good Dems out there like Klobuchar who seriously have amazing electoral records.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on December 23, 2018, 02:23:42 PM
🤦‍♂️



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on December 23, 2018, 02:27:22 PM
This participation trophy candidacy trend lately with Dems is weird, oh you lost but you still can run for President even if you lost a completely winnable race. It's infuriating considering there are perfectly good Dems out there like Klobuchar who seriously have amazing electoral records.
She’s boring and doesn’t come across as an activist on any issue. Sorry. Electoral records mean nothing, if they ever did. It’s about how candidates make people feel.

I know for a fact that Abrams is not running for President though so you can scratch that off the list.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on December 23, 2018, 02:33:32 PM
On Fox News Sunday, Kasich said that he is "actively considering" running for he Presidency. When asked if that meant that he would run as a Republican or an Independent, he said that "all options are on the table."

If he wants to hurt Trump he'll run as an independent in the General to help the Democratic nominee win important swing states.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on December 23, 2018, 02:38:20 PM
What's up with the sudden Gillum hate? Florida has trended rightward in the past 2 elections while Georgia and Texas have trended to the left, Atlas simply overrated Gillum. That said, he shouldn't run for president unless he thinks it'll secure him a spot in the next Democratic cabinet.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: OneJ on December 23, 2018, 03:32:18 PM
Gillum is a failure. I roll my eyes every time he is coupled with Beto and Stacey. He lost to someone who ran a Neo-Nazi facebook page and refused to return the donation of someone who called Obama a Muslim N____r in a swing state that Obama won twice (!) so I don't want to hear about the Bradley effect.
Gwen would have won *ducks*

After her piss poor performance in the primary I disagree- she had a complete monopoly on the state party, and all the backing iirc of the usual special interests groups.

There may be 10,000 voters who really liked Scott, but hated DeSantis- but if you take out Gillum you get rid of the surge of African-Americans, and I still struggle to see who's voting Scott/Graham.

But yes- Gillum shouldn't run for President.



This 100%. And Nelson is the bigger failure for more obvious reasons. I struggle to see Ghram pulling it out too considering Nelson couldn’t even win.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NevadanAtHeart on December 23, 2018, 03:39:13 PM
This participation trophy candidacy trend lately with Dems is weird, oh you lost but you still can run for President even if you lost a completely winnable race. It's infuriating considering there are perfectly good Dems out there like Klobuchar who seriously have amazing electoral records.
She’s boring and doesn’t come across as an activist on any issue. Sorry. Electoral records mean nothing, if they ever did. It’s about how candidates make people feel.

I know for a fact that Abrams is not running for President though so you can scratch that off the list.

Aren't electoral records the best record of how people feel? Voting participation rate vs political apathy/excitement, political support vs opposition, opinions on public records, all of these can be found via voting records. In fact, just asking "how do people feel" isn't really important insofar as it doesn't matter how excited you are if you don't or won't vote.

Sure, maybe certain candidates don't draw crowds of millions to cling onto every word. But that literally doesn't matter at all at the point where voters decide that a candidate is exciting, important, smart, savvy, likeable, or positively-performing enough to continue to hold the seat.

Maybe candidates aren't "activists" on any issues -- which honestly is itself a really poor assessment of anybody -- but as long as they get votes, it doesn't matter. They did something right that caused them to get into their seat. Maybe they can do it on a bigger scale. Maybe not. But to say that it's a matter of excitability and that "electoral records mean nothing" is just absurdly reductionist.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on December 23, 2018, 03:49:52 PM
This participation trophy candidacy trend lately with Dems is weird, oh you lost but you still can run for President even if you lost a completely winnable race. It's infuriating considering there are perfectly good Dems out there like Klobuchar who seriously have amazing electoral records.
She’s boring and doesn’t come across as an activist on any issue. Sorry. Electoral records mean nothing, if they ever did. It’s about how candidates make people feel.

I know for a fact that Abrams is not running for President though so you can scratch that off the list.

Aren't electoral records the best record of how people feel? Voting participation rate vs political apathy/excitement, political support vs opposition, opinions on public records, all of these can be found via voting records. In fact, just asking "how do people feel" isn't really important insofar as it doesn't matter how excited you are if you don't or won't vote.

Sure, maybe certain candidates don't draw crowds of millions to cling onto every word. But that literally doesn't matter at all at the point where voters decide that a candidate is exciting, important, smart, savvy, likeable, or positively-performing enough to continue to hold the seat.

Maybe candidates aren't "activists" on any issues -- which honestly is itself a really poor assessment of anybody -- but as long as they get votes, it doesn't matter. They did something right that caused them to get into their seat. Maybe they can do it on a bigger scale. Maybe not. But to say that it's a matter of excitability and that "electoral records mean nothing" is just absurdly reductionist.
You know what.... you're right. When I read the initial post my brain was thinking more-so about policy achievements, ability to "work across the aisle", "experience" etc. because that's been one of the main talking points for Klobuchar. My bad. :P


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Beet on December 23, 2018, 04:01:24 PM
Gillum is a failure. I roll my eyes every time he is coupled with Beto and Stacey. He lost to someone who ran a Neo-Nazi facebook page and refused to return the donation of someone who called Obama a Muslim N____r in a swing state that Obama won twice (!) so I don't want to hear about the Bradley effect.
Gwen would have won *ducks*

After her piss poor performance in the primary I disagree- she had a complete monopoly on the state party, and all the backing iirc of the usual special interests groups.

While being outspent 3-1 by Levine and 3-1 by Greene, with a ton of that money was spent attacking her, as she was perceived as the frontrunner, and relatively little against Gillum; and still she came in a close 2nd in a crowded field. The primary is also a very different election than the GE.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Blair on December 23, 2018, 04:16:57 PM
Gillum is a failure. I roll my eyes every time he is coupled with Beto and Stacey. He lost to someone who ran a Neo-Nazi facebook page and refused to return the donation of someone who called Obama a Muslim N____r in a swing state that Obama won twice (!) so I don't want to hear about the Bradley effect.
Gwen would have won *ducks*

After her piss poor performance in the primary I disagree- she had a complete monopoly on the state party, and all the backing iirc of the usual special interests groups.

While being outspent 3-1 by Levine and 3-1 by Greene, with a ton of that money was spent attacking her, as she was perceived as the frontrunner, and relatively little against Gillum; and still she came in a close 2nd in a crowded field. The primary is also a very different election than the GE.

Then she should have raised more money... but she was a boring, one term congresswoman who had nothing going for her other than her surname (and I say that as someone who would have voted for her in the primary!)
 


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Beet on December 23, 2018, 04:22:17 PM
Gillum is a failure. I roll my eyes every time he is coupled with Beto and Stacey. He lost to someone who ran a Neo-Nazi facebook page and refused to return the donation of someone who called Obama a Muslim N____r in a swing state that Obama won twice (!) so I don't want to hear about the Bradley effect.
Gwen would have won *ducks*

After her piss poor performance in the primary I disagree- she had a complete monopoly on the state party, and all the backing iirc of the usual special interests groups.

While being outspent 3-1 by Levine and 3-1 by Greene, with a ton of that money was spent attacking her, as she was perceived as the frontrunner, and relatively little against Gillum; and still she came in a close 2nd in a crowded field. The primary is also a very different election than the GE.

Then she should have raised more money... but she was a boring, one term congresswoman who had nothing going for her other than her surname (and I say that as someone who would have voted for her in the primary!)

She far outraised everyone in the race who wasn't self-funding... she was boring to you, but not to others, and a one term congresswoman running for higher office is not unusual, again claiming she had nothing going for her is subjective, the groups that endorsed her obviously thought she did. It sounds like you just didn't like her... but it doesn't matter as you are from the UK and can't vote anyway.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on December 23, 2018, 06:20:03 PM
NBC has a piece on the growing feud between Beto and Bernie supporters.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/inside-bernie-world-s-war-beto-o-rourke-n951016?cid=sm_npd_nn_fb_ma


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on December 23, 2018, 06:49:03 PM
I personally dont think Gillum is seriously thinking he can win the presidential primary. While it has been disclosed in many articles during the gubernatorial election that he is a very ambitious man, I doubt he would preform a suicide run for the presidency. What I see more likely is either:
A. He is planning to run for Al Lawson's house seat
B. He is going to run in the presidential primary, drop out early, and use the hype to run for Al Lawson's seat

Either these, or he doesnt run, but due to his ambition, I doubt it.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on December 23, 2018, 06:53:38 PM
NBC has a piece on the growing feud between Beto and Bernie supporters.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/inside-bernie-world-s-war-beto-o-rourke-n951016?cid=sm_npd_nn_fb_ma

It's not just Beto supporters who resent Sirota and co.'s smear tactics. It's most Democrats who had enough of Saint Bernie's BS two years ago and want him to rein in his minions.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Askew on December 23, 2018, 06:56:17 PM
Yep, Sirota, Stoller and other bullsh**t artists aren't going to get traction this cycle. Not a Beto supporter but I have no patience for this purity nonsense that ignores Sanders problematic votes.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ○∙◄☻Ątπ[╪AV┼cVę└ on December 23, 2018, 07:14:44 PM
Yep, Sirota, Stoller and other bullsh**t artists aren't going to get traction this cycle. Not a Beto supporter but I have no patience for this purity nonsense that ignores Sanders problematic votes.

What purity? Bernie doesn't always vote the right way, but he votes the right way a lot more than some New Democrat. The thing is, we're willing to call out Bernie when he votes poorly like SESTA-FOSTA, while you will excuse any sh**tty vote.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on December 23, 2018, 07:19:58 PM
Bernie doesn't always vote the right way, but he votes the right way a lot more than some New Democrat.

Drink.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Yank2133 on December 24, 2018, 12:16:32 AM
Yep, Sirota, Stoller and other bullsh**t artists aren't going to get traction this cycle. Not a Beto supporter but I have no patience for this purity nonsense that ignores Sanders problematic votes.

They are done and deep down they know it.

I highly doubt Beto will be the nominee, but he will sap support from Bernie and then you have Harris and Booker being strong in the South. Then you have Biden, Gillibrand, Warren etc. Bernie loyalists are starting to realize that he benefited in 2016 from Hillary "clearing" the field. He won't have that advantage in 2020 and Beto's fundraising prowess scares them.

Like I don't even give a damn about Beto, but some of these attacks are pathetic. Like imagine thinking calling Beto "another Obama" is some how an insult in a Democratic primary. Like these people are completely out of touch with the party faithful.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: An American Tail: Fubart Goes West on December 24, 2018, 12:26:44 AM
Yep, Sirota, Stoller and other bullsh**t artists aren't going to get traction this cycle. Not a Beto supporter but I have no patience for this purity nonsense that ignores Sanders problematic votes.

I’m not even questioning if Sanders’ record. It was good enough for me to vote for him over Hillary. What really bothers me is the feeling I get if people pushing a Bernie or Bust narrative, which is the last thing the country, and frankly the world, needs after two years of the abominable administration.

Bernie doesn't always vote the right way, but he votes the right way a lot more than some New Democrat.

Drink.

Cheers!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on December 24, 2018, 12:50:40 AM
Bernie on the debate stage with a dozen other people 20-30 years younger than him is going to be such a jarring visual. Bernie and Beto in the same frame or Tulsi, he will definitely look out of place, imagine if he starts having a coughing fit too.

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Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on December 24, 2018, 03:56:53 AM
It's astonishing how tone-deaf Bernie bros are.
They actually think that calling someone the "new Obama" is an effective attack line in a Democratic primary.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 24, 2018, 09:08:24 AM
Casey’s been invited to New Hampshire, but hasn’t accepted, at least not yet:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/24/bob-casey-2020-pennsylvania-clinton-1074811

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“At some point, a candidate gets to an active consideration,” Casey said, “and I’m nowhere near that.”

Sources familiar with Casey’s thinking on the matter say it’s unlikely he’ll launch a presidential campaign. As much as anything else, Casey seems to care about having a voice in the 2020 nomination process as someone who has won six statewide elections in Pennsylvania — a must-win state for Democratic presidential nominees that the party let slip away in 2016 the first time since 1988.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Woody on December 24, 2018, 10:44:48 AM
Casey’s been invited to New Hampshire, but hasn’t accepted, at least not yet:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/24/bob-casey-2020-pennsylvania-clinton-1074811

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“At some point, a candidate gets to an active consideration,” Casey said, “and I’m nowhere near that.”

Sources familiar with Casey’s thinking on the matter say it’s unlikely he’ll launch a presidential campaign. As much as anything else, Casey seems to care about having a voice in the 2020 nomination process as someone who has won six statewide elections in Pennsylvania — a must-win state for Democratic presidential nominees that the party let slip away in 2016 the first time since 1988.

Dick Gephardt 2.0


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: wbrocks67 on December 24, 2018, 01:44:07 PM
I love Casey but it's just not gonna happen.

Also, I can't believe we are ALREADY starting with the purity tests again. Bernie Bros are the worst.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Yank2133 on December 24, 2018, 02:21:16 PM
It's astonishing how tone-deaf Bernie bros are.
They actually think that calling someone the "new Obama" is an effective attack line in a Democratic primary.

Yeah, Obama has 95% approval rating among Democratic voters. These people are out of touch with how Dems actually think.

I look forward to them getting buried again.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Harlow on December 25, 2018, 12:20:17 AM
Sirota wasn't calling Beto "the next Obama" just in order to attack Beto, he simultaneously was calling attention to what he feels were Obama's destructive policies on climate and healthcare, among other things, and arguing why those policies are not what the country (or the world) needs right now. Here's a pull quote directly from the article:

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Why another Obama would be a tragedy
Replicating an Obama presidency would be better than what we have now. But it would still be a tragedy. That’s because the fundamental premise of Obamaism - and its predecessor, Clintonism – is that there is always a policy that can at once serve the people and the powerful. And recent history has showed that is both false and dangerous.

The fantastical mythology of a satisfactory “third way” between the corporate class and the rest of us posits that the Democratic party’s insurance industry backers can be enriched and healthcare policy can still be humane; its Wall Street sponsors can eviscerate industries and workers can still earn enough to survive; and its fossil fuel donors can keep pumping out carbon and the ecosystem can still sustain human life.

When making an argument for/against candidates, it's much more productive and healthy for the political discourse to discuss matters like their actual policy positions than some arbitrary horserace discussion about their popularity or personality. Journalists who eschew the former in favor of the latter aren't doing their jobs, or at the very least shouldn't claim to be serious political journalists ("bloggers" would be a more fitting term).

Not going to derail the thread anymore so I won't continue discussing this, but figured that point needed to be made because it's pretty obvious.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on December 25, 2018, 07:28:25 PM
I can't wait until this Beto/Bernie internet civil war implodes and we all end up with a depressing Kamala Harris nomination.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Terry the Fat Shark on December 26, 2018, 04:40:52 AM
Well maybe we can move on from this idiotic argument soon (can't you guys make your own thread about this??)

Now that Christmas is past, nobody can use the old "I need to talk to my family about this during the holidays" excuse anymore, time is running out


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Arnaud on December 26, 2018, 06:16:54 AM
Sanders is already toast. he's polling poorly for someone with high name id and runner up from 2 years ago.

The reality is a lot of his supporters from last time around have moved and will not support him again.

Twitter and his hardcore supporters will be very disappointed.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Virginiá on December 26, 2018, 09:00:32 AM
Please avoid meandering discussions not germane to the thread subject


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 26, 2018, 09:54:00 AM
A few tidbits here:

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/12/26/staring-contest-trumps-vulnerable-but-2020-dems-off-to-surprisingly-slow-start-in-early-states/23627227/

-Warren expected to make her first Iowa visit early in 2019.

-Harris, Booker, and Warren are looking for office space in Iowa and New Hampshire.

-Bullock “held a conference call recently with donors across the country, in part to solicit input on how to position himself in the early voting states.”

This story also talks about early primary state staffing:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/422513-potential-dem-contenders-look-to-staff-up-ahead-of-2020

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Earlier this month, Robert Becker, a veteran operative for Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), traveled to South Carolina to begin scoping out the state in advance of a potential second White House run for the progressive firebrand senator, according to a CNBC report. A person with knowledge of the visit confirmed the trip to The Hill.

Latest on Sherrod Brown:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/26/sherrod-brown-obama-2020-ohio-1068723

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The Ohio Democrat is reaching out to fellow senators and party officials in early primary and caucus states. His team is collecting résumés for potential campaign workers in those states. He is airing a broad campaign theme with a concise slogan — “the dignity of work” — in a rising number of press interviews and TV appearances, and he wants to road-test the theme in speeches or town hall-style events. And Brown’s staff is looking into arranging time for him to visit with former President Barack Obama, who has met with a parade of potential 2020 candidates seeking his counsel in the past year.
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“Unlike most of my colleagues, I’ve not dreamed of this for years,” Brown said. “I’ve not been to New Hampshire or Iowa since 2014. ... I’ve been in Nevada once, in my ’18 race to do something for [Sen.] Catherine Cortez Masto,” Brown continued. “But I have not over the years planned this, and I’m not rushing into it, and I’m not convinced I want to do it yet.”

Still, Brown’s wife, Connie Schultz, recently told POLITICO Magazine that running against President Donald Trump is “all we talk about right now.” Two allies, Dayton Mayor Nan Whaley and Brown’s former finance director Michael Wager, are trying to push Brown onward with a newly formed presidential draft committee. And members of Brown’s party have also taken note of his swing-state record.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: An American Tail: Fubart Goes West on December 26, 2018, 02:13:59 PM
Sounds like Brown is interested; I wonder how much more vocal he would be if Cordray had won the governor’s race.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Kantakouzenos on December 27, 2018, 01:05:07 AM
Sounds like Brown is interested; I wonder how much more vocal he would be if Cordray had won the governor’s race.

I would say as much.  Perhaps he really does mean he doesn't know for sure, but all the signs point to him giving it a shot if for no other reason than to get his ideas out there. 


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on December 27, 2018, 03:29:58 AM
I don't want to hear about Brown's ex-wife incident from cons endlessly for the next two years.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 27, 2018, 09:59:35 AM
Klobuchar joining much of the rest of the field in saying that she needs to talk the 2020 decision over with her family:

https://www.newsadvance.com/news/trending/should-i-run-for-president-what-some-democrats-are-pondering/article_265f0cdf-7b9b-5a6d-8c28-0e3231e8525d.html

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"I've got to talk to my family," Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., said the other day.

She revealed that her husband learned she was considering her first U.S. Senate bid when he heard it on the radio. "I'm not going to repeat that mistake again," she said at an Axios panel on criminal justice reform.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Woody on December 27, 2018, 10:23:11 AM
Klobuchar joining much of the rest of the field in saying that she needs to talk the 2020 decision over with her family:

https://www.newsadvance.com/news/trending/should-i-run-for-president-what-some-democrats-are-pondering/article_265f0cdf-7b9b-5a6d-8c28-0e3231e8525d.html

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"I've got to talk to my family," Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., said the other day.

She revealed that her husband learned she was considering her first U.S. Senate bid when he heard it on the radio. "I'm not going to repeat that mistake again," she said at an Axios panel on criminal justice reform.

Trump would literally slaughter her.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on December 27, 2018, 10:44:28 AM
Klobuchar joining much of the rest of the field in saying that she needs to talk the 2020 decision over with her family:

https://www.newsadvance.com/news/trending/should-i-run-for-president-what-some-democrats-are-pondering/article_265f0cdf-7b9b-5a6d-8c28-0e3231e8525d.html

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"I've got to talk to my family," Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., said the other day.

She revealed that her husband learned she was considering her first U.S. Senate bid when he heard it on the radio. "I'm not going to repeat that mistake again," she said at an Axios panel on criminal justice reform.

Trump would literally slaughter her.

Put down that tablet and open a dictionary to learn what "literally" means.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 27, 2018, 11:29:38 AM
Bloomberg campaign will be largely self-funded:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/26/mike-bloomberg-likely-to-spend-over-100-million-on-a-2020-campaign-for-president-if-he-chooses-to-run.html

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Billionaire Mike Bloomberg is prepared to spend well over the $100 million he put into his last campaign for New York City Mayor if he runs for president in 2020. And he does not plan to accept any outside money from political action committees if he jumps into the race, CNBC has learned.

Howard Wolfson, Bloomberg’s top political advisor, in an email hinted at how much his boss would look to invest into his own potential campaign for president.

“Mike spent more than $100 million in his last mayor’s race. Last time I looked, NYC is a fraction of the size of the country as a whole,” he explained. The last time he ran for public office was in 2009 when he ran for re-election as mayor for a third term and pulled off a victory as an Independent.

Won't accept any money from PACs but, in the unlikely event that he wins the nomination, I assume he'll still take individual donations.  Because running in the general election costs ~$1 billion, and I assume he doesn't want to come up with that all by himself.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 27, 2018, 11:57:38 AM
NYT on how Bernie staffers and endorsers are dispersing to various candidates like Beto, Brown and Warren. (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/27/us/politics/bernie-sanders-president-2020.html)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ViaActiva on December 27, 2018, 12:21:59 PM
Bloomberg campaign will be largely self-funded:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/26/mike-bloomberg-likely-to-spend-over-100-million-on-a-2020-campaign-for-president-if-he-chooses-to-run.html

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Billionaire Mike Bloomberg is prepared to spend well over the $100 million he put into his last campaign for New York City Mayor if he runs for president in 2020. And he does not plan to accept any outside money from political action committees if he jumps into the race, CNBC has learned.

Howard Wolfson, Bloomberg’s top political advisor, in an email hinted at how much his boss would look to invest into his own potential campaign for president.

“Mike spent more than $100 million in his last mayor’s race. Last time I looked, NYC is a fraction of the size of the country as a whole,” he explained. The last time he ran for public office was in 2009 when he ran for re-election as mayor for a third term and pulled off a victory as an Independent.

Won't accept any money from PACs but, in the unlikely event that he wins the nomination, I assume he'll still take individual donations.  Because running in the general election costs ~$1 billion, and I assume he doesn't want to come up with that all by himself.


He's worth ~$50bn and has already given at least $8bn to charity, so not really a big sum for him.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 27, 2018, 12:24:57 PM
Bloomberg campaign will be largely self-funded:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/26/mike-bloomberg-likely-to-spend-over-100-million-on-a-2020-campaign-for-president-if-he-chooses-to-run.html

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Billionaire Mike Bloomberg is prepared to spend well over the $100 million he put into his last campaign for New York City Mayor if he runs for president in 2020. And he does not plan to accept any outside money from political action committees if he jumps into the race, CNBC has learned.

Howard Wolfson, Bloomberg’s top political advisor, in an email hinted at how much his boss would look to invest into his own potential campaign for president.

“Mike spent more than $100 million in his last mayor’s race. Last time I looked, NYC is a fraction of the size of the country as a whole,” he explained. The last time he ran for public office was in 2009 when he ran for re-election as mayor for a third term and pulled off a victory as an Independent.

Won't accept any money from PACs but, in the unlikely event that he wins the nomination, I assume he'll still take individual donations.  Because running in the general election costs ~$1 billion, and I assume he doesn't want to come up with that all by himself.


He's worth ~$50bn and has already given at least $8bn to charity, so not really a big sum for him.

Oh wow, I didn't realize his fortune was quite that big.  OK then, never mind.  :P


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on December 27, 2018, 12:29:30 PM
NYT on how Bernie staffers and endorsers are dispersing to various candidates like Beto, Brown and Warren. (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/27/us/politics/bernie-sanders-president-2020.html)

As long as Susan Sarandon, Jimmy Dore, and Killer Mike still support him, he is good to go.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NevadanAtHeart on December 27, 2018, 04:33:02 PM
Bloomberg campaign will be largely self-funded:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/26/mike-bloomberg-likely-to-spend-over-100-million-on-a-2020-campaign-for-president-if-he-chooses-to-run.html

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Billionaire Mike Bloomberg is prepared to spend well over the $100 million he put into his last campaign for New York City Mayor if he runs for president in 2020. And he does not plan to accept any outside money from political action committees if he jumps into the race, CNBC has learned.

Howard Wolfson, Bloomberg’s top political advisor, in an email hinted at how much his boss would look to invest into his own potential campaign for president.

“Mike spent more than $100 million in his last mayor’s race. Last time I looked, NYC is a fraction of the size of the country as a whole,” he explained. The last time he ran for public office was in 2009 when he ran for re-election as mayor for a third term and pulled off a victory as an Independent.

Won't accept any money from PACs but, in the unlikely event that he wins the nomination, I assume he'll still take individual donations.  Because running in the general election costs ~$1 billion, and I assume he doesn't want to come up with that all by himself.


He's worth ~$50bn and has already given at least $8bn to charity, so not really a big sum for him.

Oh wow, I didn't realize his fortune was quite that big.  OK then, never mind.  :P


To be clear, his net worth doesn't necessarily mean that's how much he has in cash. But he does have a lot of money. The guy casually dropped $1.8 billion last month for financial aid at my school. (Go hop, am I right?)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: tosk on December 27, 2018, 10:59:54 PM
Bloomberg campaign will be largely self-funded:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/26/mike-bloomberg-likely-to-spend-over-100-million-on-a-2020-campaign-for-president-if-he-chooses-to-run.html

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Billionaire Mike Bloomberg is prepared to spend well over the $100 million he put into his last campaign for New York City Mayor if he runs for president in 2020. And he does not plan to accept any outside money from political action committees if he jumps into the race, CNBC has learned.

Howard Wolfson, Bloomberg’s top political advisor, in an email hinted at how much his boss would look to invest into his own potential campaign for president.

“Mike spent more than $100 million in his last mayor’s race. Last time I looked, NYC is a fraction of the size of the country as a whole,” he explained. The last time he ran for public office was in 2009 when he ran for re-election as mayor for a third term and pulled off a victory as an Independent.

Won't accept any money from PACs but, in the unlikely event that he wins the nomination, I assume he'll still take individual donations.  Because running in the general election costs ~$1 billion, and I assume he doesn't want to come up with that all by himself.


He's worth ~$50bn and has already given at least $8bn to charity, so not really a big sum for him.

Oh wow, I didn't realize his fortune was quite that big.  OK then, never mind.  :P


To be clear, his net worth doesn't necessarily mean that's how much he has in cash. But he does have a lot of money. The guy casually dropped $1.8 billion last month for financial aid at my school. (Go hop, am I right?)

net worth, from my understanding, isn't how much money he has but how much everything he has is worth against everythine he owes. Hosues, land, wealth, etc. I might be wrong, but that's how I understand it.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ViaActiva on December 28, 2018, 07:08:44 AM
V. much doubt she is thinking of 2020, but could be on the trail.

BBC: Angelina Jolie hints at move into politics
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46699457 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46699457)

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Jolie, who is a special envoy to the UN Refugee Agency, was the guest editor of the Today programme on Friday.

She is an active campaigner on a range of issues, including refugees, sexual violence and conservation.

In a wide-ranging interview with presenter Justin Webb, she discussed US politics, social media, sexual violence and the global refugee crisis.

When asked whether she would consider getting involved in politics, she said: "If you asked me 20 years ago, I would've laughed... I always say I'll go where I'm needed, I don't know if I'm fit for politics… but then I've also joked that I don't know if I have a skeleton left in my closet".

"I'm also able to work with governments and I'm also able to work with militaries, and so I sit in a very interesting place of being able to get a lot done."

She added that "for now", she would stay quiet.

When Webb suggested that meant she could be on the list of 30 to 40 Democrats running for the party's presidential nomination, she did not say no, replying "thank you".


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: wbrocks67 on December 28, 2018, 08:02:20 AM
NYT on how Bernie staffers and endorsers are dispersing to various candidates like Beto, Brown and Warren. (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/27/us/politics/bernie-sanders-president-2020.html)

I'd be really surprised if Warren doesn't see the writing on the wall. It's just not gonna happen. Same with Brown.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NewYorkExpress on December 28, 2018, 02:07:28 PM
V. much doubt she is thinking of 2020, but could be on the trail.

BBC: Angelina Jolie hints at move into politics
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46699457 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46699457)

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Jolie, who is a special envoy to the UN Refugee Agency, was the guest editor of the Today programme on Friday.

She is an active campaigner on a range of issues, including refugees, sexual violence and conservation.

In a wide-ranging interview with presenter Justin Webb, she discussed US politics, social media, sexual violence and the global refugee crisis.

When asked whether she would consider getting involved in politics, she said: "If you asked me 20 years ago, I would've laughed... I always say I'll go where I'm needed, I don't know if I'm fit for politics… but then I've also joked that I don't know if I have a skeleton left in my closet".

"I'm also able to work with governments and I'm also able to work with militaries, and so I sit in a very interesting place of being able to get a lot done."

She added that "for now", she would stay quiet.

When Webb suggested that meant she could be on the list of 30 to 40 Democrats running for the party's presidential nomination, she did not say no, replying "thank you".

Angelina Jolie? Who's next? Lindsey Lohan?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on December 28, 2018, 03:54:46 PM
V. much doubt she is thinking of 2020, but could be on the trail.

BBC: Angelina Jolie hints at move into politics
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46699457 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46699457)

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Jolie, who is a special envoy to the UN Refugee Agency, was the guest editor of the Today programme on Friday.

She is an active campaigner on a range of issues, including refugees, sexual violence and conservation.

In a wide-ranging interview with presenter Justin Webb, she discussed US politics, social media, sexual violence and the global refugee crisis.

When asked whether she would consider getting involved in politics, she said: "If you asked me 20 years ago, I would've laughed... I always say I'll go where I'm needed, I don't know if I'm fit for politics… but then I've also joked that I don't know if I have a skeleton left in my closet".

"I'm also able to work with governments and I'm also able to work with militaries, and so I sit in a very interesting place of being able to get a lot done."

She added that "for now", she would stay quiet.

When Webb suggested that meant she could be on the list of 30 to 40 Democrats running for the party's presidential nomination, she did not say no, replying "thank you".

Angelina Jolie? Who's next? Lindsey Lohan?

Ronald Reagan.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: brucejoel99 on December 28, 2018, 09:48:10 PM
V. much doubt she is thinking of 2020, but could be on the trail.

BBC: Angelina Jolie hints at move into politics
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46699457 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46699457)

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Jolie, who is a special envoy to the UN Refugee Agency, was the guest editor of the Today programme on Friday.

She is an active campaigner on a range of issues, including refugees, sexual violence and conservation.

In a wide-ranging interview with presenter Justin Webb, she discussed US politics, social media, sexual violence and the global refugee crisis.

When asked whether she would consider getting involved in politics, she said: "If you asked me 20 years ago, I would've laughed... I always say I'll go where I'm needed, I don't know if I'm fit for politics… but then I've also joked that I don't know if I have a skeleton left in my closet".

"I'm also able to work with governments and I'm also able to work with militaries, and so I sit in a very interesting place of being able to get a lot done."

She added that "for now", she would stay quiet.

When Webb suggested that meant she could be on the list of 30 to 40 Democrats running for the party's presidential nomination, she did not say no, replying "thank you".

Angelina Jolie? Who's next? Lindsey Lohan?

Ronald Reagan.

Ronald Reagan? The actor?!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on December 28, 2018, 11:50:43 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 29, 2018, 10:19:11 AM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 29, 2018, 10:38:06 AM


I was just about to post that story.  Here are the relevant excerpts:

Booker, Gillibrand, Harris, and Warren are moving to put the pieces in place for their campaigns, and “are poised to enter the 2020 presidential race in the next several weeks”, though some of them may start with an exploratory committee (though of course that de facto means that you’re running):

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Senator Kamala Harris of California is eyeing Baltimore or Atlanta as a possible base of operations for her likely 2020 presidential bid and is close to bringing on a top aide to run her campaign.

Elizabeth Warren, the Massachusetts senator, has completed a detailed review of her writings and political record to identify potential vulnerabilities, and her aides have been scouting headquarters near Boston.

Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey has been interviewing possible campaign managers, as well as strategists who could run his Iowa caucus effort.

And Senator Kirsten Gillibrand has been reaching out to more women than men for campaign roles, though she is expected to pick a man — her current top aide — to manage a campaign likely to be based near her upstate New York home.

These four high-profile Democratic senators are poised to enter the 2020 presidential race in the next several weeks, advisers and people briefed by their associates say, after spending December finalizing the outlines of their political operations, selecting top campaign staff and conducting research into their own political weak spots. In some cases, they may first announce the creation of presidential exploratory committees to ramp up their fund-raising and hiring efforts, before launching their candidacies more formally in the following weeks.

Other tidbits from the story:

-Gillibrand’s likely campaign manager is Jess Fassler (“her current top aide”).

-Harris’s likely campaign manager is Juan Rodriguez, who ran her 2016 Senate campaign.

-Booker is eyeing Addisu Demissie (who managed his first Senate race and Newsom’s gubernatorial campaign) for campaign manager.

-Warren is likely to pick Dan Geldon (her former chief of staff) for “a senior role directing strategy”.

-Hickenlooper’s likely campaign manager is Bradley Komar, a longtime aide to him.

-Harris will likely base her campaign in Baltimore or Atlanta rather than in California because “her political advisers have concluded that for practical reasons it is essential that she have a base in the Eastern Time zone”.  Nonetheless, she’ll still maintain a sizable office in CA.

-Bloomberg is conducting polling to test his prospects, and will likely decide by the end of February.

-Brown, Klobuchar, and O’Rourke are all moving slower than the others, and don’t expect them to announce in January (though you never know).

-Nonetheless, O’Rourke has “mentioned to political strategists that he’d like to hire a female campaign manager”.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 29, 2018, 11:52:59 AM
Flake:

https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/28/jeff-flake-trump-2020-presidential/

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“Let me ask you this. As you’re leaving Congress, as you’re leaving Washington, you’ve said a Republican needs to challenge Donald Trump in 2020. Is that going to be you on the Republican side, Senator?” CNN’s Jim Acosta asked.

“There are others that seem more willing than I am. I’ve been doing this for 18 years now. It’s – it’s nice to look forward to a little break. But somebody does need to challenge the President,” Flake stated.

“Will you think about it, do you think? Will you consider it?” Acosta followed up.

Flake responded, “Like I said, I haven’t ruled it out, I’m a long way from there. But somebody needs to. I think that the country needs to be reminded what it means to be conservative, certainly on the Republican side, and what it means to be decent as well because we need a lot more of that in our politics.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on December 29, 2018, 12:28:29 PM
Wouldn't it be bizzare for Harris to have her HQ in a state she has no connection at all (Georgia)?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Shadows on December 29, 2018, 01:21:18 PM
I think most of these people gave the Non-Denial about not running "We will see etc" but Gillibrand I think once categorically ruled out a 2020 run !

I am not sure if it was Gillibrand but it seemed that way !


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on December 29, 2018, 02:03:06 PM
So we should be expecting the bulk of these candidates to declare in the upcoming weeks?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on December 29, 2018, 02:50:13 PM


I was just about to post that story.  Here are the relevant excerpts:

Booker, Gillibrand, Harris, and Warren are moving to put the pieces in place for their campaigns, and “are poised to enter the 2020 presidential race in the next several weeks”, though some of them may start with an exploratory committee (though of course that de facto means that you’re running):

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Senator Kamala Harris of California is eyeing Baltimore or Atlanta as a possible base of operations for her likely 2020 presidential bid and is close to bringing on a top aide to run her campaign.

Elizabeth Warren, the Massachusetts senator, has completed a detailed review of her writings and political record to identify potential vulnerabilities, and her aides have been scouting headquarters near Boston.

Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey has been interviewing possible campaign managers, as well as strategists who could run his Iowa caucus effort.

And Senator Kirsten Gillibrand has been reaching out to more women than men for campaign roles, though she is expected to pick a man — her current top aide — to manage a campaign likely to be based near her upstate New York home.

These four high-profile Democratic senators are poised to enter the 2020 presidential race in the next several weeks, advisers and people briefed by their associates say, after spending December finalizing the outlines of their political operations, selecting top campaign staff and conducting research into their own political weak spots. In some cases, they may first announce the creation of presidential exploratory committees to ramp up their fund-raising and hiring efforts, before launching their candidacies more formally in the following weeks.

Other tidbits from the story:

-Gillibrand’s likely campaign manager is Jess Fassler (“her current top aide”).

-Harris’s likely campaign manager is Juan Rodriguez, who ran her 2016 Senate campaign.

-Booker is eyeing Addisu Demissie (who managed his first Senate race and Newsom’s gubernatorial campaign) for campaign manager.

-Warren is likely to pick Dan Geldon (her former chief of staff) for “a senior role directing strategy”.

-Hickenlooper’s likely campaign manager is Bradley Komar, a longtime aide to him.

-Harris will likely base her campaign in Baltimore or Atlanta rather than in California because “her political advisers have concluded that for practical reasons it is essential that she have a base in the Eastern Time zone”.  Nonetheless, she’ll still maintain a sizable office in CA.

-Bloomberg is conducting polling to test his prospects, and will likely decide by the end of February.

-Brown, Klobuchar, and O’Rourke are all moving slower than the others, and don’t expect them to announce in January (though you never know).

-Nonetheless, O’Rourke has “mentioned to political strategists that he’d like to hire a female campaign manager”.


Let the games begin! Go Kamala!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on December 29, 2018, 02:56:36 PM
Interesting staff picks.

It's mind-boggling to see that Hickenlooper thinks he has a chance, but hell, why not add another clown to the car.

Warren, Harris, and Gillibrand going with previous campaign members surprised me. I thought they'd have a host of people to raid from Obama/Clinton-world, but it seems not.

Booker's selection of Demissie is interesting. I think he could flop or prove to be valuable. He's worked with Booker, Obama, and Gavin Newsom before - but he was Voter Outreach And Mobilization Director for Hillary 2016, which was a horribly-ran campaign.



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on December 29, 2018, 03:07:10 PM
Warren, Harris, and Gillibrand going with previous campaign members surprised me. I thought they'd have a host of people to raid from Obama/Clinton-world, but it seems not.

Maybe none of them are Obama or Clinton associates? Senate is not a Clintonist stronghold, like DNC.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on December 29, 2018, 03:26:48 PM
Warren, Harris, and Gillibrand going with previous campaign members surprised me. I thought they'd have a host of people to raid from Obama/Clinton-world, but it seems not.

Maybe none of them are Obama or Clinton associates? Senate is not a Clintonist stronghold, like DNC.

Definitely not Warren. A lot of people associate Gillibrand with Clinton based on their past relationships, but Harris-Clinton are known to be close and Harris is generally known to be the favorite of the establishment.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on December 29, 2018, 03:43:22 PM

Also, no mention of Bernie. Could be he's decided not to run?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on December 29, 2018, 04:22:14 PM
Warren, Harris, and Gillibrand going with previous campaign members surprised me. I thought they'd have a host of people to raid from Obama/Clinton-world, but it seems not.

Maybe none of them are Obama or Clinton associates? Senate is not a Clintonist stronghold, like DNC.

Definitely not Warren. A lot of people associate Gillibrand with Clinton based on their past relationships, but Harris-Clinton are known to be close and Harris is generally known to be the favorite of the establishment.

I would agree that Kamala is a establishment pet and also is a woman (of color) which is important for them and likely the longer Kamala's campaign will last, the more support she will be getting from Clintons, as they may brand her as "Second Obama" or "Obama in a skirt" (due to her ethnicity)

But let's don't forget about Warren-Hillary friendship. Warren may have bitched about 2016 primaries, but HRC actively considered her to be VP, and they have been friends for a long years before, so that case is complicated, I was just loosely wondering about the reasons why these candidates above aren't getting establishment's support at the inceptions of their campaigns. Maybe they didn't want to get too early in the fight or doesn't want to bet on the wrong horse as well?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on December 29, 2018, 04:22:25 PM

Also, no mention of Bernie. Could be he's decided not to run?

At this point, that decision would be surprising.

He's polling higher than any other progressive, and while he has lost some 2016 staff to new rumored alliances, he'd probably have no issue finding new people to work for him.

He's showing all the signs, but the lack of transparency could raise the question. If he changes the guard, it'd be for Warren, Gabbard, or Merkely.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on December 29, 2018, 04:39:21 PM
Kamala should choose Atlanta. The South will be the backbone of her campaign + she should be investing in a massive effort to turn out POC in the Sun Belt. Abrams came within 50,000 votes with young voters still not matching their usual Presidential share of the electorate. It, Florida, and North Carolina will be important states for her if she wins the nomination.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Woody on December 29, 2018, 05:15:35 PM
Kamala should choose Atlanta. The South will be the backbone of her campaign + she should be investing in a massive effort to turn out POC in the Sun Belt. Abrams came within 50,000 votes with young voters still not matching their usual Presidential share of the electorate. It, Florida, and North Carolina will be important states for her if she wins the nomination.
She will get slaughtered in the midwest if she were to do that.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on December 29, 2018, 05:22:48 PM
Kamala should choose Atlanta. The South will be the backbone of her campaign + she should be investing in a massive effort to turn out POC in the Sun Belt. Abrams came within 50,000 votes with young voters still not matching their usual Presidential share of the electorate. It, Florida, and North Carolina will be important states for her if she wins the nomination.
She will get slaughtered in the midwest if she were to do that.

She will get slaughtered because she will try to mobilize minorities in the South?
I see you have an even lower opinion of rural hicks than Ice Spear.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on December 29, 2018, 06:33:10 PM
Not sure if it's newsworthy, but it appears the domain for kamalaforpresident.com has been bought.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 29, 2018, 08:46:06 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on December 30, 2018, 05:30:29 AM
It's pretty weird to not have your HQ in your home state, I mean Kamala has virtually no ties to Atlanta or Baltimore. Is being in the Eastern timezone that important?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Woody on December 30, 2018, 06:19:58 AM
Not sure if it's newsworthy, but it appears the domain for kamalaforpresident.com has been bought.
She is definitely running.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 30, 2018, 06:57:38 AM
It's pretty weird to not have your HQ in your home state, I mean Kamala has virtually no ties to Atlanta or Baltimore. Is being in the Eastern timezone that important?

Many candidates in the past have had their HQ in DC or the DC suburbs.  E.g., that's how McCain handled this time zone problem.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on December 30, 2018, 07:21:16 AM
It's pretty weird to not have your HQ in your home state, I mean Kamala has virtually no ties to Atlanta or Baltimore. Is being in the Eastern timezone that important?

Many candidates in the past have had their HQ in DC or the DC suburbs.  E.g., that's how McCain handled this time zone problem.


Baltimore makes sense for the reason you mention. But Altanta is a head-scratcher.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on December 30, 2018, 08:11:25 AM
Atlanta is the de facto capital of black America, it makes sense from that standpoint.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on December 30, 2018, 10:12:41 AM
Also there’s an idea that you should get out of the DC bubble by having your HQ somewhere else. Not sure how effective that is now though as twitter exists.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on December 30, 2018, 10:30:46 AM
Atlanta is the de facto capital of black America, it makes sense from that standpoint.

I thought that was Chicago.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on December 30, 2018, 11:18:12 AM
Atlanta is the de facto capital of black America, it makes sense from that standpoint.

I thought that was Chicago.

Atlanta has a higher percentage of black people than Chicago, and Baltimore has an even higher than both.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Thunder98 🇮🇱 🤝 🇵🇸 on December 30, 2018, 11:19:13 AM
Angelina Jolie running for President?

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=post;topic=303677.750;num_replies=759 (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=post;topic=303677.750;num_replies=759)

https://www.businessinsider.com/angelina-jolie-hints-run-for-president-2018-12 (https://www.businessinsider.com/angelina-jolie-hints-run-for-president-2018-12)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on December 30, 2018, 12:32:47 PM
Atlanta is the de facto capital of black America, it makes sense from that standpoint.

I thought that was Chicago.

Definitely not, in fact northern cities like Chicago are experiencing a reverse great migration due to gentrification and crime. Atlanta on the other hand has the most black-owned businesses per capita, lower black unemployment and lower cost of living.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 30, 2018, 12:33:16 PM
McAuliffe on 2020:

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/423229-mcauliffe-says-hes-obviously-looking-at-2020-run

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“I’m not going to announce right now. I’m obviously looking at it. I’ve got time. I’ve got a lot of great relationships. I have 40 years of working for this party. I have plenty of friends in many states, so I don’t have to rush into this," he said on CNN's "State of the Union."



It looks like that was changed back once people noticed, which makes it even more likely that this is being done in preparation for a presidential run:

https://twitter.com/MattOrtega/status/1079197689689137153


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on December 30, 2018, 12:45:49 PM
McAuliffe on 2020:

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/423229-mcauliffe-says-hes-obviously-looking-at-2020-run

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“I’m not going to announce right now. I’m obviously looking at it. I’ve got time. I’ve got a lot of great relationships. I have 40 years of working for this party. I have plenty of friends in many states, so I don’t have to rush into this," he said on CNN's "State of the Union."



It looks like that was changed back once people noticed, which makes it even more likely that this is being done in preparation for a presidential run:

https://twitter.com/MattOrtega/status/1079197689689137153

It was just changed back again, dropping the "for MA". She's running.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Woody on December 30, 2018, 01:31:58 PM
McAuliffe on 2020:

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/423229-mcauliffe-says-hes-obviously-looking-at-2020-run

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“I’m not going to announce right now. I’m obviously looking at it. I’ve got time. I’ve got a lot of great relationships. I have 40 years of working for this party. I have plenty of friends in many states, so I don’t have to rush into this," he said on CNN's "State of the Union."



It looks like that was changed back once people noticed, which makes it even more likely that this is being done in preparation for a presidential run:

https://twitter.com/MattOrtega/status/1079197689689137153

McAuliffe = John Kasich 2.0 (dem version)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: beaver2.0 on December 30, 2018, 01:36:59 PM
McAuliffe on 2020:

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/423229-mcauliffe-says-hes-obviously-looking-at-2020-run

Quote
“I’m not going to announce right now. I’m obviously looking at it. I’ve got time. I’ve got a lot of great relationships. I have 40 years of working for this party. I have plenty of friends in many states, so I don’t have to rush into this," he said on CNN's "State of the Union."



It looks like that was changed back once people noticed, which makes it even more likely that this is being done in preparation for a presidential run:

https://twitter.com/MattOrtega/status/1079197689689137153

McAuliffe = John Kasich 2.0 (dem version)
Not really.  A lot of people I know think of Kasich as an essentially good guy.  McAuliffe's connections to the Clintons likely rule out that image of him.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ViaActiva on December 30, 2018, 06:53:16 PM
Atlanta is the de facto capital of black America, it makes sense from that standpoint.

Yep, makes sense for Kamala to lay a claim to the early Southern primaries.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: OneJ on December 30, 2018, 07:07:43 PM
Atlanta is the de facto capital of black America, it makes sense from that standpoint.

I thought that was Chicago.

Definitely not, in fact northern cities like Chicago are experiencing a reverse great migration due to gentrification and crime. Atlanta on the other hand has the most black-owned businesses per capita, lower black unemployment and lower cost of living.

Yeah, Atlanta has been known, and still is, as the “Black Mecca”. In addition to this, Chicago is only like 1/3 black and the black population there is declining.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Grassroots on December 30, 2018, 08:49:37 PM
Atlanta is the de facto capital of black America, it makes sense from that standpoint.

I thought that was Chicago.

It is. Please don't believe these costal dems.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on December 30, 2018, 10:25:29 PM
Atlanta is the de facto capital of black America, it makes sense from that standpoint.

I thought that was Chicago.

It is. Please don't believe these costal dems.
No it's not. You don't even know what you're talking about. LOL.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on December 30, 2018, 10:42:21 PM
Atlanta is the de facto capital of black America, it makes sense from that standpoint.

I thought that was Chicago.

It is. Please don't believe these costal dems.

What about Chicago makes it the de facto capital of black America, besides conservatives using the murder rate to dog whistle about "black on black crime"?

And I live in Ohio.....


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on December 30, 2018, 11:09:43 PM
I love how we're debating which city is the de-facto African American culture capital of the US, meanwhile, Kamala is revolutionizing the Southern Strategy to ensure a nomination.

Never change, fellow Democrats.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on December 30, 2018, 11:11:39 PM
I love how we're debating which city is the de-facto African American culture capital of the US, meanwhile, Kamala is revolutionizing the Southern Strategy to ensure a nomination.

Never change, fellow Democrats.

???

Shes basing herself in Atlanta. We dont even know what her plan is or how it will be executed. For all we know, she doesnt win the Black vote. Lets save the revolutionary strategy talk until after we see the nominee.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on December 30, 2018, 11:15:02 PM
I love how we're debating which city is the de-facto African American culture capital of the US, meanwhile, Kamala is revolutionizing the Southern Strategy to ensure a nomination.

Never change, fellow Democrats.

???

Shes basing herself in Atlanta. We dont even know what her plan is or how it will be executed. For all we know, she doesnt win the Black vote. Lets save the revolutionary strategy talk until after we see the nominee.

Not that she's revolutionary herself, but that if this is her plan of action - she's revolutionizing the idea of the Southern Strategy; putting a progressive left spin on it.

Obama couldn't pull off Arkansas, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Florida in '08.

If Kamala can carry all of the Obama '08 southern states and pick up most of those four by appealing to minorities, that's a huge takeaway from Biden/Beto/Bernie.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on December 30, 2018, 11:24:32 PM
I love how we're debating which city is the de-facto African American culture capital of the US, meanwhile, Kamala is revolutionizing the Southern Strategy to ensure a nomination.

Never change, fellow Democrats.

???

Shes basing herself in Atlanta. We dont even know what her plan is or how it will be executed. For all we know, she doesnt win the Black vote. Lets save the revolutionary strategy talk until after we see the nominee.

Not that she's revolutionary herself, but that if this is her plan of action - she's revolutionizing the idea of the Southern Strategy; putting a progressive left spin on it.

Obama couldn't pull off Arkansas, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Florida in '08.

If Kamala can carry all of the Obama '08 southern states and pick up most of those four by appealing to minorities, that's a huge takeaway from Biden/Beto/Bernie.

Again, my point is that we dont even know:
1. What her strategy is
2. How much of the Black vote she will win
3. If she will be the nominee

For all we know, Biden wins these states due to the Obama legacy, we cannot be certain. Its best just to not make such declarations 1-2 years before they even happen.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on December 30, 2018, 11:42:00 PM
I love how we're debating which city is the de-facto African American culture capital of the US, meanwhile, Kamala is revolutionizing the Southern Strategy to ensure a nomination.

Never change, fellow Democrats.

???

Shes basing herself in Atlanta. We dont even know what her plan is or how it will be executed. For all we know, she doesnt win the Black vote. Lets save the revolutionary strategy talk until after we see the nominee.

Not that she's revolutionary herself, but that if this is her plan of action - she's revolutionizing the idea of the Southern Strategy; putting a progressive left spin on it.

Obama couldn't pull off Arkansas, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Florida in '08.

If Kamala can carry all of the Obama '08 southern states and pick up most of those four by appealing to minorities, that's a huge takeaway from Biden/Beto/Bernie.

Again, my point is that we dont even know:
1. What her strategy is
2. How much of the Black vote she will win
3. If she will be the nominee

For all we know, Biden wins these states due to the Obama legacy, we cannot be certain. Its best just to not make such declarations 1-2 years before they even happen.

Implying Beto O'Rourke isn't already the nominee.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on December 31, 2018, 12:51:58 AM
Kamala's biggest problem at this point is Cory Booker, she can't dominate the South as long as he's in the race. If either one stays in too long then they probably doom each others chances and greatly help Beto and other white progressives.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: BigVic on December 31, 2018, 08:34:16 AM
Elizabeth Warren has filed a PEC, meaning she will be running. First candidate to announce his or her nomination.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: beaver2.0 on December 31, 2018, 08:46:40 AM
Elizabeth Warren has filed a PEC, meaning she will be running. First candidate to announce his or her nomination.
Please don't run Elizabeth Warren.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Coldstream on December 31, 2018, 09:40:58 AM
Elizabeth Warren has filed a PEC, meaning she will be running. First candidate to announce his or her nomination.

How can you forget John Delaney and Richard Ojeda?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: DaWN on December 31, 2018, 09:45:02 AM
Elizabeth Warren has filed a PEC, meaning she will be running. First candidate to announce his or her nomination.

How can you forget John Delaney and Richard Ojeda?

The better question is how can you remember them?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Xeuma on December 31, 2018, 10:02:01 AM
Elizabeth Warren has filed a PEC, meaning she will be running. First candidate to announce his or her nomination.

How can you forget John Delaney and Richard Ojeda?

Hasn't Casto also announced?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on December 31, 2018, 10:27:19 AM
She's the first major candidate to announce and it's not even new years yet. I expect all the major players will be in by February.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on December 31, 2018, 12:44:15 PM
Kamala's biggest problem at this point is Cory Booker, she can't dominate the South as long as he's in the race. If either one stays in too long then they probably doom each others chances and greatly help Beto and other white progressives.

I think thats a little bit of racist viewpoint to think the African American vote will go to the African American candidate.

Biden could easily take it, Beto could make inroads, and Sanders, in current polling, is winning the AA vote.

While Harris may try to make African Americans her base, I doubt the Deep South African Americans(who vote fundamentally different from Northern African Americans, for some reason) will go uniformly to Booker and Harris.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Orwell on December 31, 2018, 01:49:33 PM
Kamala's biggest problem at this point is Cory Booker, she can't dominate the South as long as he's in the race. If either one stays in too long then they probably doom each others chances and greatly help Beto and other white progressives.

I think thats a little bit of racist viewpoint to think the African American vote will go to the African American candidate.

Biden could easily take it, Beto could make inroads, and Sanders, in current polling, is winning the AA vote.

While Harris may try to make African Americans her base, I doubt the Deep South African Americans(who vote fundamentally different from Northern African Americans, for some reason) will go uniformly to Booker and Harris.

It's not racist it's a fact. Why did Obama win the Black vote in 2008? because he was BLACK it didn't matter anything else. Why did Hillary win the black vote? because she had the support of all the BLACK leaders. Bernie isn't going to win the Black vote. It will go to Biden because he'll have the support of the BLACK establishment.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: tosk on December 31, 2018, 01:55:34 PM
Kamala's biggest problem at this point is Cory Booker, she can't dominate the South as long as he's in the race. If either one stays in too long then they probably doom each others chances and greatly help Beto and other white progressives.

I think thats a little bit of racist viewpoint to think the African American vote will go to the African American candidate.

Biden could easily take it, Beto could make inroads, and Sanders, in current polling, is winning the AA vote.

While Harris may try to make African Americans her base, I doubt the Deep South African Americans(who vote fundamentally different from Northern African Americans, for some reason) will go uniformly to Booker and Harris.

It's not racist it's a fact. Why did Obama win the Black vote in 2008? because he was BLACK it didn't matter anything else. Why did Hillary win the black vote? because she had the support of all the BLACK leaders. Bernie isn't going to win the Black vote. It will go to Biden because he'll have the support of the BLACK establishment.

I mean no. Black republicans don't win the black vote (Tim Scott). Obama won the black vote because he was a fantastic speaker, a fantastic nominee for the democrats, and perhaps in part because of the history he would've made. Unbelievably silly to say he won it because he was black. He was a lot more.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Orwell on December 31, 2018, 01:58:26 PM
Kamala's biggest problem at this point is Cory Booker, she can't dominate the South as long as he's in the race. If either one stays in too long then they probably doom each others chances and greatly help Beto and other white progressives.

I think thats a little bit of racist viewpoint to think the African American vote will go to the African American candidate.

Biden could easily take it, Beto could make inroads, and Sanders, in current polling, is winning the AA vote.

While Harris may try to make African Americans her base, I doubt the Deep South African Americans(who vote fundamentally different from Northern African Americans, for some reason) will go uniformly to Booker and Harris.

It's not racist it's a fact. Why did Obama win the Black vote in 2008? because he was BLACK it didn't matter anything else. Why did Hillary win the black vote? because she had the support of all the BLACK leaders. Bernie isn't going to win the Black vote. It will go to Biden because he'll have the support of the BLACK establishment.

I mean no. Black republicans don't win the black vote (Tim Scott). Obama won the black vote because he was a fantastic speaker, a fantastic nominee for the democrats, and perhaps in part because of the history he would've made. Unbelievably silly to say he won it because he was black. He was a lot more.

Then why did Hillary win the black vote in the primary? Bernie seemed to have all the qualities you were talking about Obama had. Then Why did Hillary win the black vote?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on December 31, 2018, 02:01:44 PM
Kamala's biggest problem at this point is Cory Booker, she can't dominate the South as long as he's in the race. If either one stays in too long then they probably doom each others chances and greatly help Beto and other white progressives.

I think thats a little bit of racist viewpoint to think the African American vote will go to the African American candidate.

Biden could easily take it, Beto could make inroads, and Sanders, in current polling, is winning the AA vote.

While Harris may try to make African Americans her base, I doubt the Deep South African Americans(who vote fundamentally different from Northern African Americans, for some reason) will go uniformly to Booker and Harris.

It's not racist it's a fact. Why did Obama win the Black vote in 2008? because he was BLACK it didn't matter anything else. Why did Hillary win the black vote? because she had the support of all the BLACK leaders. Bernie isn't going to win the Black vote. It will go to Biden because he'll have the support of the BLACK establishment.

I mean no. Black republicans don't win the black vote (Tim Scott). Obama won the black vote because he was a fantastic speaker, a fantastic nominee for the democrats, and perhaps in part because of the history he would've made. Unbelievably silly to say he won it because he was black. He was a lot more.

Then why did Hillary win the black vote in the primary? Bernie seemed to have all the qualities you were talking about Obama had. Then Why did Hillary win the black vote?



Sanders did win the Black vote in key states, just not in the Deep South. A deeper analysis:
Contrary to all the narratives about 2016, Bernie's biggest obstacle at the onset of voting with black voters was simple name recognition. PPP released a national poll in February 2016 of likely primary voters, with Bernie having 90% fav/unfav among non-black voters and only 50% among black voters (the remaining 10% and one-half had "no opinion", respectively). The only way this was possible was due to name rec and favorability being stand-ins for one another. At the time, my jaw dropped when this poll was released, and that combined with the SC result a few weeks later told me Sanders had no chance whatsoever: he needed at least 35% of black voters to have a shot, and even that would have required Clinton-08 margins among white voters.

If one assumes that a group of voters has to choose between one candidate with high favorables and universal name recognition and another candidate with only 50% name recognition, then it's a safe bet to assume that the voters who don't know the one candidate are going to vote for the other. As crazy as it may sound, simple math suggests that Sanders likely won a solid majority of black voters who actually had an opinion on him and/or knew who he was.

His biggest obstacle this year, across all racial lines, will be the fact that there are so many candidates for voters to consider.

Or this:

It sounds to me like once again "White Democrats" are speaking about the "Black Community".

Honestly I have no idea how well Bernie will perform among Black Voters in the 2020 DEM-PRES Primary (If he elects to run), but what I do know is that performance among African-American Voters in the 2016 DEM-PRES-PRIM not only improved dramatically in early PRIM states towards later in the '16 DEM PRIM season, but additionally in places like California, it looks like Bernie actually did almost as well as HRC did among AA Voters....

I would not assume that because Bernie performed poorly among AA voters in the Deep South in the '16 DEM Primary, that if he runs in '20 that these results will mirror '16.

Northern AA and Younger AA Voters tended to be much more receptive to Sanders than older voters in the South lands....

We will see see how this all goes down in the 2020 DEM Primaries, but anyone who makes assumptions "A$$ out of Sump" might well be speaking with their head out of their arse, especially considering the rise of Millennial Voters and States like TX and CA shifting their primaries towards March, as opposed to the "South Lands" running the show for DEM-PRIM as it has been since '88 and before.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Orwell on December 31, 2018, 02:04:04 PM
I was wrong, thank you for proving me wrong. It's good to learn something new. I assumed it was because of her tied at the hip status with the Obama Admin.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: tosk on December 31, 2018, 02:04:07 PM
Kamala's biggest problem at this point is Cory Booker, she can't dominate the South as long as he's in the race. If either one stays in too long then they probably doom each others chances and greatly help Beto and other white progressives.

I think thats a little bit of racist viewpoint to think the African American vote will go to the African American candidate.

Biden could easily take it, Beto could make inroads, and Sanders, in current polling, is winning the AA vote.

While Harris may try to make African Americans her base, I doubt the Deep South African Americans(who vote fundamentally different from Northern African Americans, for some reason) will go uniformly to Booker and Harris.

It's not racist it's a fact. Why did Obama win the Black vote in 2008? because he was BLACK it didn't matter anything else. Why did Hillary win the black vote? because she had the support of all the BLACK leaders. Bernie isn't going to win the Black vote. It will go to Biden because he'll have the support of the BLACK establishment.

I mean no. Black republicans don't win the black vote (Tim Scott). Obama won the black vote because he was a fantastic speaker, a fantastic nominee for the democrats, and perhaps in part because of the history he would've made. Unbelievably silly to say he won it because he was black. He was a lot more.

Then why did Hillary win the black vote in the primary? Bernie seemed to have all the qualities you were talking about Obama had. Then Why did Hillary win the black vote?

hillarys... not... black. I'm not sure I understand your point. and bernie a fantastic speaker? no. he's average at best. he is nowhere near obama's league. Hell, Bill Clinton in his prime doesn't compare. Hillary had tons of connections in the southern states, and had a connection to the obama legacy which was very powerful in the primary.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 31, 2018, 02:17:50 PM
Black (Dem.) presidential candidates don't always win the black vote in the primaries, true.  But are there any examples where they got a higher %age among white voters than black voters?  I can't think of any examples.  E.g., Al Sharpton in 2004, when he was getting something like 1% of the vote in the primaries overall, he was still managing to hit double digits among black voters in some states where the black vote was statistically meaningful, according to the exit polls.

So while I don't think it's a given that Booker or Harris will *win* the black vote, if they did better with white Dem. primary voters than black Dem. primary voters, it would be unusual by modern historical standards.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on December 31, 2018, 02:18:58 PM
Bloomberg says his decision timeline is “end of January, into February maybe”.  Also, “I would certainly run as a Democrat”:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/12/30/michael_bloomberg_on_2020_i_would_certainly_run_as_a_democrat.html

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CHUCK TODD: Before I let you go, what's your timeline on deciding whether you run or not? And what would be the factor if you didn't?

MICHAEL BLOOMBERG: Timeline is beginning of the year, end of January, into February maybe. There's no rush to do it. Everybody wants to know what you're going to do, and the bottom line is I'm not sure yet. I care about a bunch of issues. I care for my kids. I care for this country that's been so good to me. And I want to see how I can help the best. Right now, my foundation and my company, I give 100% of the company's profits, or my share of them, to the foundation. We support an awful lot of things that we're doing that let us explain to people how to do things and give them options. Not telling them what to do, but I think I can make the world a better place in the private sector. Can I make it a better place in the public sector? Maybe. I loved 12 years in city hall. I think it's fair to say most people liked what we did in city hall. Do I think I could be a good president? Yes. I'm not the only one that could be a good president. I disagree with our current president on so many things that I don't even know where to start there.

CHUCK TODD: I assume a lot of this has to, will -- are you trying to figure out if the Democratic Party is going to accept you?

MICHAEL BLOOMBERG: Well, you would have to -- I would certainly run as a Democrat. I'm much closer to their philosophy, although I don't agree with any one party on everything. You would have to run as a Democrat. You would have to get the Democratic nomination. And I think if you go out and you explain to them what you do -- keep in mind, I got elected in New York City, an overwhelming Democratic city, an overwhelming minority city, and I got elected three times. So I must know something about this.

Sherrod Brown’s been calling Dem. leaders in New Hampshire:

https://www.concordmonitor.com/On-the-Trail-by-Paul-Steinhauser-22392314

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[Brown]’s dialing leading Democratic lawmakers and rainmakers in the early voting states in the presidential primary and caucus calendar.

Among those receiving calls in the Granite State – former governor and current Sen. Maggie Hassan, veteran Democratic National Committee member and former state party chairwoman Kathy Sullivan, longtime New Hampshire Democratic Party chairman Ray Buckley and New Hampshire Young Democrats president Lucas Meyer.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on December 31, 2018, 03:54:11 PM
NYT: Biden is still ambivalent about running and unclear whether Beto and Bernie will run. (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/31/us/politics/2020-democratic-candidates.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: lfromnj on December 31, 2018, 06:20:35 PM
NYT: Biden is still ambivalent about running and unclear whether Beto and Bernie will run. (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/31/us/politics/2020-democratic-candidates.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur)

yeah I don't see none of the big 3 B not running,


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Adam Griffin on December 31, 2018, 10:57:02 PM
Black (Dem.) presidential candidates don't always win the black vote in the primaries, true.  But are there any examples where they got a higher %age among white voters than black voters?  I can't think of any examples.  E.g., Al Sharpton in 2004, when he was getting something like 1% of the vote in the primaries overall, he was still managing to hit double digits among black voters in some states where the black vote was statistically meaningful, according to the exit polls.

So while I don't think it's a given that Booker or Harris will *win* the black vote, if they did better with white Dem. primary voters than black Dem. primary voters, it would be unusual by modern historical standards.


It's worth noting that since 2004, the winner of the black vote (whether that be a plurality or majority) has went on to win the nomination. Even Kerry was doing very well in the early states with black voters (pulling around 40%, with Sharpton getting another 10-20%), and ultimately won closer to 60% of black voters toward the end of the primary contest.

You can actually go back even further and this truth will hold: in 2000, it was a lopsided result in general of course; in 1992 (and by default 1996), both black and Southern white voters were united behind Clinton from the get-go (albeit at a time when the black vote was less influential). Jesse Jackson was probably the last Democratic candidate who won the most black voters in the primary but who didn't clinch the nomination - and even he made an unexpectedly strong showing as a result of it.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Smith on January 01, 2019, 04:08:14 AM
Black (Dem.) presidential candidates don't always win the black vote in the primaries, true.  But are there any examples where they got a higher %age among white voters than black voters?  I can't think of any examples.  E.g., Al Sharpton in 2004, when he was getting something like 1% of the vote in the primaries overall, he was still managing to hit double digits among black voters in some states where the black vote was statistically meaningful, according to the exit polls.

So while I don't think it's a given that Booker or Harris will *win* the black vote, if they did better with white Dem. primary voters than black Dem. primary voters, it would be unusual by modern historical standards.


It's worth noting that since 2004, the winner of the black vote (whether that be a plurality or majority) has went on to win the nomination. Even Kerry was doing very well in the early states with black voters (pulling around 40%, with Sharpton getting another 10-20%), and ultimately won closer to 60% of black voters toward the end of the primary contest.

You can actually go back even further and this truth will hold: in 2000, it was a lopsided result in general of course; in 1992 (and by default 1996), both black and Southern white voters were united behind Clinton from the get-go (albeit at a time when the black vote was less influential). Jesse Jackson was probably the last Democratic candidate who won the most black voters in the primary but who didn't clinch the nomination - and even he made an unexpectedly strong showing as a result of it.

Yeah, and Tom Harkin's the lone candidate to win Iowa and not get nominated in that same space of time, and Iowa is mostly white. In fact literally only Harkin has won Iowa and not been nominee [since the reforms and Carter first demonstrating the importance of the state], and he had a home-state bounce!

Which one is gonna override here? Especially if the black vote gets split?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Blair on January 01, 2019, 05:45:17 AM
To reaffirm what others have said, its easy to fall into rather broad generalisations about the African-American vote, and how it changed. To pick up on a few things.

1.) IIRC Clinton was winning among AA's until late 2007- largely because as Adam mentions, her name ID was through the roof, and she had extremely strong ties among black lawmakers and community group. The AA vote didn't just bolt onto Obama when he announced.

2.) The African-American vote really needs to be split into Age, Region and Gender; there's such a vast political difference between say a 67 year black women from South Carolina, and a 19 black guy from Oakland.

3.) But finally, it should be remembered that the AA vote is disproportionately powerful in the deep southern states- where IIRC the AA electorate are older and much more female.

If I was advising Harris or Booker, I'd be chasing that vote for the whole campaign.   


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: America Needs R'hllor on January 01, 2019, 08:41:22 AM
Can everyone stop normative political discussion here and leave it to pure tea leaves and some discussion about them?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 01, 2019, 09:33:38 AM
NYT: Biden is still ambivalent about running and unclear whether Beto and Bernie will run. (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/31/us/politics/2020-democratic-candidates.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur)

Here's the relevant excerpt:

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There are the well-known, or at least much-buzzed-about, Democrats who are still deliberating: Former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. is the most prominent of this group, and leads the field in initial polling in Iowa. But there is also great anticipation over Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, the runner-up for the Democratic nomination in 2016, and Representative Beto O’Rourke of Texas, whose losing Senate bid this year electrified many grass-roots Democrats.

It is unclear if any of these men will enter the race — particularly Mr. Biden, who, associates say, is ambivalent about running after over three decades of presidential fits and starts.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on January 01, 2019, 11:16:27 AM
To reaffirm what others have said, its easy to fall into rather broad generalisations about the African-American vote, and how it changed. To pick up on a few things.

1.) IIRC Clinton was winning among AA's until late 2007- largely because as Adam mentions, her name ID was through the roof, and she had extremely strong ties among black lawmakers and community group. The AA vote didn't just bolt onto Obama when he announced.

2.) The African-American vote really needs to be split into Age, Region and Gender; there's such a vast political difference between say a 67 year black women from South Carolina, and a 19 black guy from Oakland.

3.) But finally, it should be remembered that the AA vote is disproportionately powerful in the deep southern states- where IIRC the AA electorate are older and much more female.

If I was advising Harris or Booker, I'd be chasing that vote for the whole campaign.   
Yeah, Bernie beat Hillary among black voters under 30 52-47 and I’m sure it was by double digits if you take out the South. Obama was a candidate who was able to inspire all factions of black voters. Kamala Harris and Cory Booker are not him. Add in misogyny, disillusion after electing the first black president really didn’t change anything. There is a plausible scenario that Bernie or Beto can overperform with black voters in the Midwest even while Kamala wins the black voters in the South. I personally think Cory is DOA. The overwhelmingly black and female primaries in the Deep South will default to the woman. Especially if she can snag an endorsement from black women like Maxine Waters, Stacey Abrams, Terri Sewell, etc


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 01, 2019, 02:52:59 PM
NYT on Bidenworld. (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/01/us/politics/joe-biden-presidential-campaign-2020.html)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: An American Tail: Fubart Goes West on January 01, 2019, 03:13:36 PM
Beto O’Rourke Looks Back on 2018: ‘The Best Year of My Life’ (https://ijr.com/beto-orourke-looks-back-2018-best-year-my-life/)

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“Happy New Year!” O’Rourke wrote in a tweet alongside a picture of him building an igloo with his wife and children. “The best year of my life.”

O’Rourke cited his campaign as one of the high points of his year:

He seems to like campaigning...


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: brucejoel99 on January 01, 2019, 06:18:21 PM
NYT on Bidenworld. (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/01/us/politics/joe-biden-presidential-campaign-2020.html)

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Those around Mr. Biden would not speculate about what might happen to the groups if he entered the 2020 race. But at least one set of plans has already been shelved.

When the Biden Foundation applied to the I.R.S. for tax-exempt status in February 2016, it stated that one mission would be to “educate the public regarding Vice President Biden’s career in public service” by building “a first-of-its-kind vice-presidential library and museum for the study of the vice presidency.”

Then Donald J. Trump was elected, perversely reviving Mr. Biden’s three-decade dream of winning the presidency, a job that comes with its own library. “Since that time,” said Mark Gitenstein, the foundation’s president, “the board of the Biden Foundation determined that was no longer a relevant objective.”

Oh, he's running.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ViaActiva on January 01, 2019, 08:39:39 PM
Washington Post has just published an op-ed from Senator-elect Mitt Romney:

"The president shapes the public character of the nation. Trump’s character falls short." (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mitt-romney-the-president-shapes-the-public-character-of-the-nation-trumps-character-falls-short/2019/01/01/37a3c8c2-0d1a-11e9-8938-5898adc28fa2_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1e517d2d2c3c)

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It is well known that Donald Trump was not my choice for the Republican presidential nomination. After he became the nominee, I hoped his campaign would refrain from resentment and name-calling. It did not. When he won the election, I hoped he would rise to the occasion. His early appointments of Rex Tillerson, Jeff Sessions, Nikki Haley, Gary Cohn, H.R. McMaster, Kelly and Mattis were encouraging. But, on balance, his conduct over the past two years, particularly his actions this month, is evidence that the president has not risen to the mantle of the office.

So he wants to be an independent critic of Trump in the Senate like McCain or Flake, but like Kasich, is he considering one step further? He may feel he has a duty to primary Trump.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Askew on January 02, 2019, 02:57:33 AM
Romney like all other elected Republicans are cowards. No one will primary Trump. They are too scared of their racist base.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NewYorkExpress on January 02, 2019, 03:02:19 AM
NYT on Bidenworld. (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/01/us/politics/joe-biden-presidential-campaign-2020.html)

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Those around Mr. Biden would not speculate about what might happen to the groups if he entered the 2020 race. But at least one set of plans has already been shelved.

When the Biden Foundation applied to the I.R.S. for tax-exempt status in February 2016, it stated that one mission would be to “educate the public regarding Vice President Biden’s career in public service” by building “a first-of-its-kind vice-presidential library and museum for the study of the vice presidency.”

Then Donald J. Trump was elected, perversely reviving Mr. Biden’s three-decade dream of winning the presidency, a job that comes with its own library. “Since that time,” said Mark Gitenstein, the foundation’s president, “the board of the Biden Foundation determined that was no longer a relevant objective.”

Oh, he's running.

Biden may run, but he's not going get anywhere near the nomination. In fact, I bet he doesn't do any better than he did in 2008.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Big Boy Beto on January 02, 2019, 06:39:49 AM

FTFY


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on January 02, 2019, 10:24:48 AM
Romney is complete a joke, he courted Trump's endorsement at the height of the Birther movement and he kissed the ring for a job as Secretary of State after Trump won in 2016. He will vote with Trump over 80% of the time over the next 2 years while pretending to be morally superior.

If he thinks he can run against Trump by calling him "racist, sexist and anti-immigrant" in a Republican primary, he has another thing coming.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: aaroncd107 on January 02, 2019, 11:15:16 AM
Long detail on Inslee:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/washington-governor-jay-inslee-running-president/579217/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/washington-governor-jay-inslee-running-president/579217/)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: brucejoel99 on January 02, 2019, 12:49:06 PM
Long detail on Inslee:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/washington-governor-jay-inslee-running-president/579217/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/washington-governor-jay-inslee-running-president/579217/)

Guess he's in.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Orwell on January 02, 2019, 01:22:20 PM
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Biden may run, but he's not going get anywhere near the nomination. In fact, I bet he doesn't do any better than he did in 2008.

Really? This is the worst statement I've heard in this election cycle except someone calling me a Pro-Choice Republican. He's the most likely Democratic Nominee right now. That's a fact.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: No War, but the War on Christmas on January 02, 2019, 01:25:14 PM
NYT on Bidenworld. (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/01/us/politics/joe-biden-presidential-campaign-2020.html)

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Those around Mr. Biden would not speculate about what might happen to the groups if he entered the 2020 race. But at least one set of plans has already been shelved.

When the Biden Foundation applied to the I.R.S. for tax-exempt status in February 2016, it stated that one mission would be to “educate the public regarding Vice President Biden’s career in public service” by building “a first-of-its-kind vice-presidential library and museum for the study of the vice presidency.”

Then Donald J. Trump was elected, perversely reviving Mr. Biden’s three-decade dream of winning the presidency, a job that comes with its own library. “Since that time,” said Mark Gitenstein, the foundation’s president, “the board of the Biden Foundation determined that was no longer a relevant objective.”

Oh, he's running.

Biden may run, but he's not going get anywhere near the nomination. In fact, I bet he doesn't do any better than he did in 2008.

Worst take of 2019 so far, lmao.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: mgop on January 02, 2019, 01:29:46 PM
dem base hates everything that biden is: rich, old, white, straight, male. so he probably wont get nomination, even tho he is currently one of most leading candidates.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Orwell on January 02, 2019, 01:37:03 PM
dem base hates everything that biden is: rich, old, white, straight, male. so he probably wont get nomination, even tho he is currently one of most leading candidates.

Those exact words can describe Bernie Sanders. And show me a candidate that is poor young a minority Homosexual/Bisexual and female.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: aaroncd107 on January 02, 2019, 02:19:19 PM
guys lmao this thread has turned into a sh*t show about identity politics and the presidential horse race. make your own thread for that! you know that this is about who is/isn’t in.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: No War, but the War on Christmas on January 02, 2019, 02:25:45 PM
guys lmao this thread has turned into a sh*t show about identity politics and the presidential horse race. make your own thread for that! you know that this is about who is/isn’t in.

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Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sprouts Farmers Market ✘ on January 02, 2019, 02:34:21 PM
Predicting that the name recognition polling leader will not come close to the nomination is a completely sane prediction, and I for one applaud NewYorkExpress on his most reality tinged prediction ever posted on the forum. So soon we forget the forgotten tales of Scott Walker and Jeb Bush. Even without Trump, these two were pretty big longshots. My impression from speaking to Democrats is that no one actually expects Biden to do well because he's too goofy and has a lot of potential pitfalls.

Coming from someone who supports Biden over just about the entire field.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 02, 2019, 02:43:22 PM
Klobuchar says she’s “getting close to a decision”, and that if she runs, her campaign HQ will be in Minnesota:

http://www.startribune.com/sen-amy-klobuchar-to-decide-soon-on-presidential-bid/503804122/

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“It doesn’t really matter to me what dates they do it or how they do it,” Klobuchar said of her potential Democratic rivals. “But I do think with a field this big, you don’t have the luxury of waiting for six months or something like that. There’ll be raising money issues, you have issues of hiring people and starting an organization. So all of those things would dictate that you have to make a decision sooner rather than later.”

Steyer planning upcoming visits to IA, NH, and NV:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/02/tom-steyer-plans-to-visit-iowa-new-hampshire-nevada-as-he-mulls-2020-run.html

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Steyer will be traveling in the early part of this year to Des Moines, Iowa; Las Vegas; and a city in New Hampshire as part of his larger “5 Rights” tour, Aleigha Cavalier, his chief spokeswoman, said in an email. In a follow-up email, she declined to name the New Hampshire city and noted that Steyer’s team would be announcing details in coming weeks.

Long detail on Inslee:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/washington-governor-jay-inslee-running-president/579217/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/washington-governor-jay-inslee-running-president/579217/)

From that story:

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Inslee is lining up donors and adding them to the political-action committee he launched in December. An official presidential exploratory committee is next.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 02, 2019, 04:21:00 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on January 02, 2019, 04:35:02 PM


Whoa


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on January 02, 2019, 04:35:47 PM


After these hires and the rumored Harris/Gillibrand/Booker ones, candidates who declare late are going to have a hell of a time finding reputable, big-named staff.

I expect February to be a really interesting month.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on January 02, 2019, 04:48:10 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/02/us/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-sexism.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwAR082Exbw6pzFCKajvZ9sATYBcFwt6H1XKbpVYp_p7a2PKss7ALp9cMla14

Bernie is no longer cool.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on January 02, 2019, 05:04:35 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/02/us/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-sexism.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwAR082Exbw6pzFCKajvZ9sATYBcFwt6H1XKbpVYp_p7a2PKss7ALp9cMla14

Bernie is no longer cool.

Yeah, this hurts the chances of him even running.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on January 02, 2019, 05:48:30 PM
I really hope Romney runs.  Unlike someone like Kasich, Romney is a pretty standard conservative, and could help get the GOP back on a Reaganite path.  I'd likely vote for him in the 2020 primaries.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on January 02, 2019, 05:48:39 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/02/us/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-sexism.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwAR082Exbw6pzFCKajvZ9sATYBcFwt6H1XKbpVYp_p7a2PKss7ALp9cMla14

Bernie is no longer cool.

Yeah, this hurts the chances of him even running.

It's typical to America and American politics nowadays and for a few dozen years back. You can be a god one day, you can have the large and intrusive media hype, you can have the crowds on meetings and campaign trails, but just another day you can have ex. reports of affair with young staffer from your office from the same guys who yesterday pumped your ex. presidential chances, and people will start to hate you for no reason and they will don't recall now how they cheered for you at ex. your rallies. It's all fluid and cyclical. You did your time well, but now we kindly want you to get off the stage. We want some fresh blood, new spur, and you don't count to that list.

Such great presidents like FDR left no real legacy in minds of most Americans, because they simply forgot about him when he died and Harry Truman became his successor, and they forgot about Truman when Eisenhower take office and so on. Bernie Sanders is not coming out of ordinary posted by me above. The same will happen to peoples like Beto, Warren or Trump, trust me. They all have their time set by American public life, and when it will expire, not one of former ex. Beto's followers will even bother about that. He or she would be worshipping another idol, whose star will fade just like it did before. And it would come full circle.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on January 02, 2019, 05:56:35 PM
Kamala Harris is rumored to possibly announce her campaign on January 9th, at a speaking event at George Washington University about her new book.

https://www.politics-prose.com/event/book/kamala-harris-truths-we-hold-gw-lisner-auditorium


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 02, 2019, 05:56:39 PM
Romney says he's not running:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/02/politics/mitt-romney-cnntv/index.html

Also says he's not endorsing anyone in the primary yet, and will "see what the alternatives are".


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on January 02, 2019, 05:57:30 PM
Romney says he's not running:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/02/politics/mitt-romney-cnntv/index.html

Also says he's not endorsing anyone in the primary yet, and will "see what the alternatives are".


And there goes the GOP's chance to redeem itself.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ○∙◄☻Ątπ[╪AV┼cVę└ on January 02, 2019, 05:58:46 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/02/us/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-sexism.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwAR082Exbw6pzFCKajvZ9sATYBcFwt6H1XKbpVYp_p7a2PKss7ALp9cMla14

Bernie is no longer cool.

This doesn't involve Bernie. Bernie people made sure that Arturo Carmona didn't get elected to Congress.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on January 02, 2019, 06:36:55 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/02/us/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-sexism.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwAR082Exbw6pzFCKajvZ9sATYBcFwt6H1XKbpVYp_p7a2PKss7ALp9cMla14

Bernie is no longer cool.

Yeah, this hurts the chances of him even running.

I dont get where you see that, considering hes already apologized for it, and he wasnt directly causing this. I mean, I guess it works as an attack, but I dont see how this dissuades Sanders.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Orwell on January 02, 2019, 07:23:10 PM
As a onetime hardcore Bernie supporter who became what I once hated the most in a "Pro-Choice Republican" as MAINEiac put it. Im sort of losing hope in Biden, because Im afraid he'll get #MeToo'd in either the primary or the general. Im probably going to jump on with Hickenlooper or Bullock this summer when the major candidates have all declared.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on January 02, 2019, 09:10:37 PM
Kamala Harris is rumored to possibly announce her campaign on January 9th, at a speaking event at George Washington University about her new book.

https://www.politics-prose.com/event/book/kamala-harris-truths-we-hold-gw-lisner-auditorium
Not big enough for her announcement I think.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: The Mikado on January 02, 2019, 11:27:45 PM
Such great presidents like FDR left no real legacy in minds of most Americans, because they simply forgot about him when he died and Harry Truman became his successor, and they forgot about Truman when Eisenhower take office and so on.

Um...you lost me here. The people who lived through the Depression and WWII very, very, very much remembered FDR throughout their entire lives, whether they loved him or (in smaller numbers) hated him. The memory of FDR only has somewhat faded as those people are basically all dead now.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on January 03, 2019, 07:34:32 AM
Such great presidents like FDR left no real legacy in minds of most Americans, because they simply forgot about him when he died and Harry Truman became his successor, and they forgot about Truman when Eisenhower take office and so on.

Um...you lost me here. The people who lived through the Depression and WWII very, very, very much remembered FDR throughout their entire lives, whether they loved him or (in smaller numbers) hated him. The memory of FDR only has somewhat faded as those people are basically all dead now.

To be frank, New Deal reforms touched relatively small to very small group of people, but there was an large impression in America that these reforms are touching nearly anyone. Does New Deal produced some kind of legacy organizations or adherents who would live way long after Roosevelt's death? Only historians and biographers are working on that in my opinion.

Does his part in WWII is remembered in today's America? You just answered that question above, those who knew that are dead now, and only historians and biographers write books about that which no one really reads (I mean, reading in my country isn't high too).

That means FDR left no real legacy to me.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Virginiá on January 03, 2019, 09:18:37 AM
I mean, when I was in HS, even some of the most aloof students had an idea of who FDR was and what he did.  Just because someone is dead and no one else is alive from that era doesn't mean their legacy dies. At the very least, the children of those people are still alive and well. That itself helps keep FDR's name and legacy alive. Yes, far more kids today won't have many thoughts on FDR and only vague understandings of his contributions to American society and government. That's a given since all of that was ~75-85 years ago. But it doesn't mean he is completely gone from the thoughts of most Americans.

Also, people don't need to be personally affected in a big way to develop a deep sense of loyalty/fondness for a president. Knowing friends and family or even just the community/country in general being helped by that president can do it as well.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 03, 2019, 09:36:25 AM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 03, 2019, 09:57:41 AM
Wow, O'Malley not running is quite something, given all his early primary state visits and the like.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: LabourJersey on January 03, 2019, 10:06:20 AM
Wow, O'Malley not running is quite something, given all his early primary state visits and the like.


I think a lot of the minor candidates are realizing they don't have the infrastructure/staff/funds to go anywhere.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 03, 2019, 10:11:05 AM
Wow, O'Malley not running is quite something, given all his early primary state visits and the like.


I think a lot of the minor candidates are realizing they don't have the infrastructure/staff/funds to go anywhere.

Sure.  I guess I wasn't putting O'Malley in the "self aware enough to notice he can't win" category, given that he ran last time despite not having a chance to win.  There are always a bunch of candidates who run despite having no chance.  Why did Gilmore, Pataki, Chafee, etc. run last time?  It was obvious to everyone that they couldn't win, but they ran anyway.  I figured O'Malley was a strong bet to do so this time as well, but I guess not.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on January 03, 2019, 10:45:26 AM
Wow, O'Malley not running is quite something, given all his early primary state visits and the like.


I think a lot of the minor candidates are realizing they don't have the infrastructure/staff/funds to go anywhere.

Sure.  I guess I wasn't putting O'Malley in the "self aware enough to notice he can't win" category, given that he ran last time despite not having a chance to win.  There are always a bunch of candidates who run despite having no chance.  Why did Gilmore, Partake, Chafee, etc. run last time?  It was obvious to everyone that they couldn't win, but they ran anyway.  I figured O'Malley was a strong bet to do so this time as well, but I guess not.


That's why I think all this talk about 20-25 people running is hyperbolic. At the end of the day many of these minor candidates will realize that an actual campaign is too demanding and costly just to stroke their own ego.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 03, 2019, 12:18:44 PM
That's why I think all this talk about 20-25 people running is hyperbolic.

It depends on who counts as a candidate.  Are 4th tier candidates like Ojeda, Yang, and Williamson counted in the number?  If so, then there's a strong chance of it being over 20.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ViaActiva on January 03, 2019, 01:39:31 PM
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In 2016, my long-shot presidential candidacy found its flame extinguished between a rock and an angry place in my own party. America wasn’t in the mood for new leadership.

Haha. The word 'leadership' is doing a lot of work here...


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 03, 2019, 02:21:37 PM
As part of her book tour, Harris will be on Colbert's show on Jan. 10th:

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/423694-kamala-harris-to-appear-on-the-late-show-amid-2020-speculation


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Crackhead Mike Lindell on January 03, 2019, 02:26:41 PM
O'Malley nooooooooooo


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Orwell on January 03, 2019, 03:29:59 PM
https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-congress-feinstein-20190103-story.html


Feinstein has ice in her veins


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on January 03, 2019, 06:53:06 PM
https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-congress-feinstein-20190103-story.html


Feinstein has ice in her veins

Feinstein acting like she's still relevant in 2019 makes for good humor.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on January 03, 2019, 07:03:06 PM
https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-congress-feinstein-20190103-story.html


Feinstein has ice in her veins

Something tells me she and Harris don't have the best working relationship...


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Smith on January 03, 2019, 07:28:55 PM
https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-congress-feinstein-20190103-story.html


Feinstein has ice in her veins

Something tells me she and Harris don't have the best working relationship...

Harris works for the people, or would...if Trump's win hadn't created an opening.

Feinstein works for the interests, always has.



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: JG on January 03, 2019, 09:16:38 PM
Weird how both Feinstein and Cuomo endorsed Biden over a senator from their own state. It kind of puts into the question the common view of Gillibrand and Harris as the ''establishment'' candidates.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Bacon King on January 04, 2019, 01:45:57 AM
To be frank, New Deal reforms touched relatively small to very small group of people, but there was an large impression in America that these reforms are touching nearly anyone. Does New Deal produced some kind of legacy organizations or adherents who would live way long after Roosevelt's death? Only historians and biographers are working on that in my opinion.

Does his part in WWII is remembered in today's America? You just answered that question above, those who knew that are dead now, and only historians and biographers write books about that which no one really reads (I mean, reading in my country isn't high too).

That means FDR left no real legacy to me.

I'm sorry but I have no idea what you are talking about??

There's this agency called the Social Security Administration, you might have heard about it. It was one of FDR's New Deal programs, and currently gives money on a monthly basis to roughly 61 million Americans. Now I'm not all that great with numbers but I think 61 million people is a bit more than a "relatively small to very small group of people"

There's also the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, the FDIC, which the 93% of American adults with bank accounts know is why their savings are secure no matter what. Literally 93% of people.

Also, while we're talking about money, let's not forget about the Securities and Exchange Commission, the regulatory body responsible for oversight of the $30 trillion dollars currently invested in US stock markets. (And for reference, 52% of Americans own stocks, so I think that's a sizable number of people who benefit)

Oh! Let's not forget the Federal Housing Administration which backs nearly 40% of all home-purchase loans in the United States -- the FHA has allowed tens of millions of people to become home owners; definitely not a "very small group"

While we're at it let's take a  moment to remember the Tennessee Valley Authority, an underappreciated organization that provides very cheap electricity for more than ten million people, generating 152.3 billion kilowatt-hours per year!

Also on a final note I want to mention the Federal Crop Insurance Corporation for its crucial role in providing economic security to our nation's farmers, as a partial owner of a "family farm" (inheritance from my grandfather, with ownership split evenly among me and my cousins) I can speak from a first-hand account how important the FCIC is to literally all farmers in the country.

But anyway yes I think it's fair to say virtually all Americans benefit from FDR's New Deal programs all the time in everyday life, and they continue to hugely affect our economy and society to this day


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 04, 2019, 08:54:17 AM
Inslee headed to NH this month, and getting shade from the state party chair:



Several potential 2020 Dems have sought advice from Hillary Clinton:

https://www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-hillary-clinton-endorsement-8b686c6c-d624-40eb-8d50-5effacb3e46f.html

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Several possible 2020 candidates have sought advice from Hillary Clinton, and she has meetings scheduled with additional hopefuls.

Clinton has discussed the next presidential race with Sen. Elizabeth Warren, Sen. Cory Booker, Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper and L.A. Mayor Eric Garcetti, according to a longtime Clinton confidant.

I'm told this has been going on for months and will continue, since Clinton will talk to any Democrat who wants to talk. (Plus, she sees people incidentally all the time.)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 04, 2019, 11:00:36 AM
Garcetti has been urged to resign as mayor if he runs for president, but he's "never taken the idea of quitting seriously":

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/la-mayor-eric-garcettis-plan-run-president/579301/

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“It’s common sense,” said the person who’d spoken to Garcetti, asking not to be identified because the meeting was private. “You can’t run a city and run for president at the same time, especially when the city is on the West Coast and Iowa and New Hampshire are in the Midwest and East Coast.”

This wasn’t the first time someone had suggested to Garcetti that he should quit his job if he really wants to focus on a presidential run. And it wasn’t the last.

According to people who’ve been in meetings between Garcetti and party power brokers, he lets the conversation move on whenever the subject of resignation comes up, just as he did that day a few months ago. He has never taken the idea of quitting seriously.
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The core of his argument for running, though, would be his experience as mayor. He’s already road tested his case that Los Angeles is bigger and more complicated than most states, with more people from more places doing more things, creating more problems and, conversely, more solutions. He’d come to the White House, the argument goes, with a view of government not as part of an abstract partisan debate, but as something that actually has an impact on people’s lives day to day.

As his critics like to point out and as the mayor himself acknowledges, there’s a catch: If the job is so demanding, how will Garcetti explain that he’s able to do it so often on the road, while working on the campaign? How will he explain spending months, even years, away, attending debates and town halls and forums and county fairs? Garcetti doesn’t seem to have a campaign slogan yet, but he’s landed on a hashtag: #MayorsGetThingsDone. But how much can he be getting done as mayor if he’s out of the city so much?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 04, 2019, 01:50:07 PM
Booker announcement could come “within weeks”.  Most of the pieces are already in place, as his team has been “laying the groundwork for a potential campaign for months”.  However, a final decision hasn’t been made yet on who the campaign manager will be:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/04/politics/cory-booker-2020-campaign-taking-shape/index.html

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Several potential Democratic candidates are expected to announce their candidacy in the early half of this year, and Booker's allies are now working to put the final pieces in place to ensure that, when he gives the signal, a campaign framework would be ready and waiting.

The campaign would likely be based out of Newark, where Booker served as mayor, a source familiar with his thinking tells CNN. The campaign would be centered on the message of unity and love -- themes Booker has made a central part of his political profile.

The New Jersey senator and his chief of staff, Matt Klapper, have narrowed their search for a campaign manager following months of interviews, a source familiar with the discussions told CNN. Among the leading candidates is Addisu Demissie, who oversaw Booker's 2013 Senate bid and most recently steered California Gov. Gavin Newsom's campaign. Demissie was formerly national political director for President Barack Obama's OFA.

Klapper, who has worked with Booker for nearly two decades, dating back to the Newark City Council, is also widely expected to take on a senior role in the would-be campaign.

Meanwhile, Booker's team is also zeroing in on senior staff to lead their early primary state efforts, with discussions ongoing among would-be hires in Iowa and New Hampshire. One person in the mix for a senior Iowa role, multiple sources tell CNN, is Michael Frosolone -- a well-regarded Democratic operative who in 2018 oversaw the party's statehouse campaign operations, helping to flip seven seats.

In other news, Merkley asked about 2020 at a town hall, but dodges:

https://lebanon-express.com/news/local/merkley-barnstorms-mid-valley/article_df1414d9-7611-5e8d-a320-2bc14942a2d6.html

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The question also gave [Merkley] an opening to talk about the possibility of a presidential bid in 2020, a topic he has openly discussed. But he came no closer to announcing his decision, saying only that he has been asking himself whether he can do more good by staying in the Senate than by stepping down to run for the White House.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 04, 2019, 02:38:24 PM
Beto supports a "Green New Deal."  (https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/beto-orourke-green-new-deal_us_5c2f9949e4b0e755f65c7823?ec_carp=557770818659147688)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 04, 2019, 03:07:57 PM
Gillibrand reaching out to Wall Street to see if there’s support there for her likely presidential run:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/04/kirsten-gillibrand-reaches-out-to-wall-street-execs-about-potential-2020-run-for-president.html

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Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-NY, is reaching out to Wall Street executives to gauge potential support if she were to run for president in 2020, CNBC has learned.

Gillibrand has personally been working the phones and calling senior executives at Wall Street firms in recent weeks to see whether they would back her campaign if she jumps into the race, according to two senior business leaders who spoke on the condition of anonymity.
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Glen Caplin, a spokesman for Gillibrand, insisted that if the lawmaker from New York ran for president she would build her operation off of grassroots fundraising and would not confirm or the deny her efforts to reach out to Wall Street leaders.

“If Senator Gillibrand decides to run, she will run a campaign that takes no corporate PAC money and is powered by grassroots donations, and based on her values of standing up to those in power and returning our democracy to the people where it belongs,” Caplin said in a statement to CNBC.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Pyro on January 04, 2019, 03:21:21 PM
Beto supports a "Green New Deal."  (https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/beto-orourke-green-new-deal_us_5c2f9949e4b0e755f65c7823?ec_carp=557770818659147688)

Correction: A Beto spokesman was reported stating that the congressman is "supportive of the concept" of a Green New Deal - that is far from a pledge to fight for, much less endorse, the platform. Phrasing and word choice is important, folks.

For instance, I would be supportive of the concept of buying an electric car - but actually moving ahead with doing so is a different story.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ○∙◄☻Ątπ[╪AV┼cVę└ on January 04, 2019, 06:02:26 PM
Beto supports a "Green New Deal."  (https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/beto-orourke-green-new-deal_us_5c2f9949e4b0e755f65c7823?ec_carp=557770818659147688)

Correction: A Beto spokesman was reported stating that the congressman is "supportive of the concept" of a Green New Deal - that is far from a pledge to fight for, much less endorse, the platform. Phrasing and word choice is important, folks.

For instance, I would be supportive of the concept of buying an electric car - but actually moving ahead with doing so is a different story.

Yes, this is different from Bernie working on an actual Green New Deal together with AOC.

Also Beto O'Rourke was not one of the 46 co-sponsors of the Off Fossil Fuels bill.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/3671/cosponsors


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on January 04, 2019, 06:06:48 PM
Gillibrand reaching out to Wall Street to see if there’s support there for her likely presidential run:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/04/kirsten-gillibrand-reaches-out-to-wall-street-execs-about-potential-2020-run-for-president.html

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Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-NY, is reaching out to Wall Street executives to gauge potential support if she were to run for president in 2020, CNBC has learned.

Gillibrand has personally been working the phones and calling senior executives at Wall Street firms in recent weeks to see whether they would back her campaign if she jumps into the race, according to two senior business leaders who spoke on the condition of anonymity.
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Glen Caplin, a spokesman for Gillibrand, insisted that if the lawmaker from New York ran for president she would build her operation off of grassroots fundraising and would not confirm or the deny her efforts to reach out to Wall Street leaders.

“If Senator Gillibrand decides to run, she will run a campaign that takes no corporate PAC money and is powered by grassroots donations, and based on her values of standing up to those in power and returning our democracy to the people where it belongs,” Caplin said in a statement to CNBC.


Smh


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: indietraveler on January 04, 2019, 06:15:34 PM
For what it's worth (probably not much), I just completed an extensive poll today for what was likely a Bloomberg internal.

It focused on my past primary decisions, what direction I think the Dems should take going forward, and who I would vote for in the caucus under several different scenarios. Also asked if I was more or less likely to support Bloomberg based on different statements.

The interesting part was who was listed as the choices for most of the questions (for the most part, write-ins weren't an option): Bernie, Joe, Elizabeth, Kamala, Beto, and of course, Michael.

This was an online poll.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on January 04, 2019, 06:16:07 PM
I'm actually curious, aside from Sanders, is O'Rourke the only candidate on record for carbon pricing? I know Gillibrand supports Cap and Trade but **politically** the two do not mean the same thing.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ○∙◄☻Ątπ[╪AV┼cVę└ on January 04, 2019, 06:17:53 PM
I'm actually curious, aside from Sanders, is O'Rourke the only candidate on record for carbon pricing? I know Gillibrand supports Cap and Trade but **politically** the two do not mean the same thing.

Warren also supported the concept of a Green New Deal, without endorsing anything specific.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 04, 2019, 07:10:29 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Deleted User #4049 on January 04, 2019, 07:14:28 PM


What even is the appeal of this guy? Who are the people voting for him?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: TarHeelDem on January 04, 2019, 08:40:14 PM


itshappening.gif


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Bacon King on January 04, 2019, 09:11:44 PM
Wtf do these clowns like Buttigieg, Castro, McAuliffe and co. think their potential winning coalition is going to consist of

Buttgig is just doing this to boost his a national profile: growing name recognition and building establishment/donor connections for his next attempt at becoming DNC chairman and/or running for some statewide race in Indiana.

Castro is an ambitious empty suit who is egotistical enough to believe he's the "Hispanic Barack Obama", even though the people building that hype are morons with no idea what they're talking about

T-Mac is a popular former governer with a solid record. He will be brought up and discussed far more often than his candidacy would otherwise warrant due to probably 2/3 of the DC press corps living in his state; literally every Virginia governor since Chuck Robb has at some point been hyped up as "potential presidential candidate" and (at least) flirted with running for office. As a former DNC Chairman he also has literally all the insider connections, has major experience with previous Presidential campaigns so he knows firsthand what to do and/or not to do, and as a guy who has literally drank rum straight from the bottle on cable news his status as "candidate you'd have a drink with" is unparalleled. Lastly T-Mac is one of those "ruthless pragmatists" willing to get his hands dirty to win with the talent to cover it up well (I remain convinced that he spent election night 2014 personally stuffing ballot boxes in NOVA, toiling away for hours to ensure Mark Warner's reelection.)

tl;dr don't underestimate T-Mac, he's leagues above those also-rans and should be taken seriously


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Roll Roons on January 04, 2019, 09:20:05 PM
Wtf do these clowns like Buttigieg, Castro, McAuliffe and co. think their potential winning coalition is going to consist of

Buttgig is just doing this to boost his a national profile: growing name recognition and building establishment/donor connections for his next attempt at becoming DNC chairman and/or running for some statewide race in Indiana.

Castro is an ambitious empty suit who is egotistical enough to believe he's the "Hispanic Barack Obama", even though the people building that hype are morons with no idea what they're talking about

T-Mac is a popular former governer with a solid record. He will be brought up and discussed far more often than his candidacy would otherwise warrant due to probably 2/3 of the DC press corps living in his state; literally every Virginia governor since Chuck Robb has at some point been hyped up as "potential presidential candidate" and (at least) flirted with running for office. As a former DNC Chairman he also has literally all the insider connections, has major experience with previous Presidential campaigns so he knows firsthand what to do and/or not to do, and as a guy who has literally drank rum straight from the bottle on cable news his status as "candidate you'd have a drink with" is unparalleled. Lastly T-Mac is one of those "ruthless pragmatists" willing to get his hands dirty to win with the talent to cover it up well (I remain convinced that he spent election night 2014 personally stuffing ballot boxes in NOVA, toiling away for hours to ensure Mark Warner's reelection.)

tl;dr don't underestimate T-Mac, he's leagues above those also-rans and should be taken seriously

Buttigieg probably won't be able to win a statewide race in Indiana. I see him getting a cabinet position (HUD or Transportation) in the next Democratic administration.

Also T-Mac would be a terrible nominee for the Democrats. As you pointed out, he's the ultimate DC insider in every way possible. Trump can just dust off the "Drain the Swamp" playbook and it will work just as well as it did against Hillary. He's even been under investigation for shady business dealings. Stunts like drinking rum on live TV just come off as pandering. Plus Bernie types will be completely turned off by him.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on January 05, 2019, 12:21:23 AM
A lot of people who we thought were clear candidates are now not running (O'Malley, Cuomo, Patrick, Avenatti, but he was obviously under exceptional circumstances). Who else falls into the "has no shot and has been lying low recently" category?

- Eric Holder
- Eric Swalwell
- Tim Ryan, I think because Brown is exploring a run
- Eric Garcetti


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Crackhead Mike Lindell on January 05, 2019, 12:45:20 AM
A lot of people who we thought were clear candidates are now not running (O'Malley, Cuomo, Patrick, Avenatti, but he was obviously under exceptional circumstances). Who else falls into the "has no shot and has been lying low recently" category?

- Eric Holder
- Eric Swalwell
- Tim Ryan, I think because Brown is exploring a run
- Eric Garcetti

Why are three of them called Eric lmao


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Bacon King on January 05, 2019, 02:43:37 AM
Buttigieg probably won't be able to win a statewide race in Indiana. I see him getting a cabinet position (HUD or Transportation) in the next Democratic administration.

Also T-Mac would be a terrible nominee for the Democrats. As you pointed out, he's the ultimate DC insider in every way possible. Trump can just dust off the "Drain the Swamp" playbook and it will work just as well as it did against Hillary. He's even been under investigation for shady business dealings. Stunts like drinking rum on live TV just come off as pandering. Plus Bernie types will be completely turned off by him.

You're right about Buttgig. I hadn't really considered it but "presidential campaign as an audition for the cabinet" has actually become pretty common lately.

I agree T-Mac would be a bad candidate on many levels, I'm just pointing out that if he's serious about running then he will be treated as a major candidate by the media and by "conventional wisdom", not reduced to the level of Buttgig (btw note that I'm not saying anything about how he'll actually perform in the primary, just saying how seriously his campaign will be treated. He could very well end up as the Jeb! of 2020)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on January 05, 2019, 04:18:26 AM
Buttigieg probably won't be able to win a statewide race in Indiana. I see him getting a cabinet position (HUD or Transportation) in the next Democratic administration.

Also T-Mac would be a terrible nominee for the Democrats. As you pointed out, he's the ultimate DC insider in every way possible. Trump can just dust off the "Drain the Swamp" playbook and it will work just as well as it did against Hillary. He's even been under investigation for shady business dealings. Stunts like drinking rum on live TV just come off as pandering. Plus Bernie types will be completely turned off by him.

You're right about Buttgig. I hadn't really considered it but "presidential campaign as an audition for the cabinet" has actually become pretty common lately.

I agree T-Mac would be a bad candidate on many levels, I'm just pointing out that if he's serious about running then he will be treated as a major candidate by the media and by "conventional wisdom", not reduced to the level of Buttgig (btw note that I'm not saying anything about how he'll actually perform in the primary, just saying how seriously his campaign will be treated. He could very well end up as the Jeb! of 2020)

I think McAuliffe is at the bottom of the totem pole at least when it comes to old white dudes running. Inslee and Hickenlooper both have more impressive records than him, honestly T-Mac didn't really accomplish all that much as Gov thanks to the GOP, but still. What is he really going to run on besides restoring felon rights and vetoing a bunch of bills?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on January 05, 2019, 08:23:05 AM


itshappening.gif

Please no DINOs.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 05, 2019, 11:32:29 AM
I think some of this has already been mentioned here, but this story on small $ fundraising mentions Gillibrand's and Harris's efforts to build their national lists:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/05/2020-elections-small-donor-fundraising-democrats-actblue-1081892

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Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand didn’t air a single TV ad in her campaign for reelection in New York last year, instead spending more than half her campaign budget with a firm specializing in digital fundraising. Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) dropped over $1.2 million on Facebook ads targeting grassroots supporters nationwide since May 2018, the fifth-most of any Democrat — even though Harris wasn’t running for anything last year. Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) received donations from people in all 50 states within hours of announcing her presidential exploratory committee on Monday, she told reporters.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 06, 2019, 02:13:49 PM
Booker headed to South Carolina on MLK Day (Jan. 21):

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/state/south-carolina/article223864720.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 06, 2019, 04:03:38 PM
Sherrod Brown's wife Connie Schultz gives an update on his decision timeline ("within the next two months"):

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/06/politics/sherrod-brown-2020-presidential-election/index.html

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"When do you think there will be a decision?" Stelter asked.

"I think we're going to know within the next two months. I mean, we have to," Schultz replied, adding, "And I'm not trying to be coy. I wouldn't do that to a fellow journalist, first of all."

"Brian, it's incremental, at least in our case," Schultz continued. "How do I describe this? Think of any big decision you've made in life. Unless you're forced to make it instantly, it's something you have to get used to thinking about. I am lucky and burdened to be married to a man who will not do this if I don't wholeheartedly want to be a part of it all -- he just won't. So there it is."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 06, 2019, 04:53:40 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 06, 2019, 06:16:58 PM
Biden “leaning toward running” and “likely to decide within the next two weeks”:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/06/us/politics/joe-biden-2020-president.html

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Former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. is in the final stages of deciding whether to run for president and has told allies he is skeptical the other Democrats eyeing the White House can defeat President Trump, an assessment that foreshadows a clash between the veteran Washington insider and the more liberal and fresh-faced contenders for the party’s 2020 nomination.
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The 76-year-old former vice president, who leads the field in initial national and Iowa polls, has not yet told his allies that he has decided to run. And they stress that Mr. Biden’s decision will not be final until he says it for himself, noting that family considerations are central. Mr. Biden sought the presidency twice before but he has also considered it at least as many times before bowing out.

But Mr. Biden has indicated that he is leaning toward running and will likely make a decision within the next two weeks, according to Democrats within and beyond his inner circle who have spoken to him recently.

The former vice president last week told a senior Democratic official that he is both likely to run and that his aides have told him he must move quickly in this primary, according to two Democrats briefed on the conversation.
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In one of his calls over the holidays, Mr. Biden repeated a variation of a line he has used publicly: “If you can persuade me there is somebody better who can win, I’m happy not to do it,” he said, according to the Democrat he spoke to, who shared the conversation on condition of anonymity to discuss a private talk.

But then Mr. Biden said something he has not stated so bluntly in public: “But I don’t see the candidate who can clearly do what has to be done to win.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: No War, but the War on Christmas on January 06, 2019, 07:55:26 PM
Booker headed to South Carolina on MLK Day (Jan. 21):

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/state/south-carolina/article223864720.html


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I will legit change my avatar to Maroon if Booker is the nominee; he's below Biden for me.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: here2view on January 06, 2019, 08:06:10 PM
Booker headed to South Carolina on MLK Day (Jan. 21):

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/state/south-carolina/article223864720.html


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Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ilikeverin on January 07, 2019, 09:42:18 AM
A lot of people who we thought were clear candidates are now not running (O'Malley, Cuomo, Patrick, Avenatti, but he was obviously under exceptional circumstances). Who else falls into the "has no shot and has been lying low recently" category?

- Eric Holder
- Eric Swalwell
- Tim Ryan, I think because Brown is exploring a run
- Eric Garcetti

Why are three of them called Eric lmao

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Eric


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 07, 2019, 10:37:50 AM
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/423968-warrens-early-2020-bid-raises-stakes-for-rest-of-dem-field

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Steyer, for example, is set to travel to Des Moines next week for a town hall event to roll out part of the “5 Rights” platform he’s been touting since November.

Steyer is still weighing whether to mount a White House bid, according to a person familiar with his thinking, who added that the billionaire philanthropist’s existing network of staffers and advisers at his nonprofits and PACs affords him more time to make a decision on 2020.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 07, 2019, 11:14:45 AM
Merkley says he expects to make a decision on 2020 by March:

http://kbnd.com/kbnd-news/local-news-feed/418029

Swalwell headed to South Carolina on Jan. 19th:

https://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/article224014700.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: 💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his) on January 07, 2019, 11:17:18 AM
not sure if this is within the purview of the thread, but, CAN'T CONTAINEY THE DELANEY

2020 candidate John Delaney hires Iowa staff, schedules office openings (https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2019/01/07/2020-candidate-john-delaney-hires-iowa-staff-plans-six-offices/2495841002/)

(via, the Des Moines Register)

Delaney now has 24 Iowa staffers, including several Sanders and Obama campaign figures. He's opening six campaign offices in the state.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on January 07, 2019, 11:19:23 AM
not sure if this is within the purview of the thread, but, CAN'T CONTAINEY THE DELANEY

2020 candidate John Delaney hires Iowa staff, schedules office openings (https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2019/01/07/2020-candidate-john-delaney-hires-iowa-staff-plans-six-offices/2495841002/)

(via, the Des Moines Register)

Delaney now has 24 Iowa staffers, including several Sanders and Obama campaign figures. He's opening six campaign offices in the state.

You'd think he'd make the polls by now given all the effort he's put in the state


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 07, 2019, 11:57:35 AM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: UWS on January 07, 2019, 01:08:12 PM
Biden “leaning toward running” and “likely to decide within the next two weeks”:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/06/us/politics/joe-biden-2020-president.html

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Former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. is in the final stages of deciding whether to run for president and has told allies he is skeptical the other Democrats eyeing the White House can defeat President Trump, an assessment that foreshadows a clash between the veteran Washington insider and the more liberal and fresh-faced contenders for the party’s 2020 nomination.
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The 76-year-old former vice president, who leads the field in initial national and Iowa polls, has not yet told his allies that he has decided to run. And they stress that Mr. Biden’s decision will not be final until he says it for himself, noting that family considerations are central. Mr. Biden sought the presidency twice before but he has also considered it at least as many times before bowing out.

But Mr. Biden has indicated that he is leaning toward running and will likely make a decision within the next two weeks, according to Democrats within and beyond his inner circle who have spoken to him recently.

The former vice president last week told a senior Democratic official that he is both likely to run and that his aides have told him he must move quickly in this primary, according to two Democrats briefed on the conversation.
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In one of his calls over the holidays, Mr. Biden repeated a variation of a line he has used publicly: “If you can persuade me there is somebody better who can win, I’m happy not to do it,” he said, according to the Democrat he spoke to, who shared the conversation on condition of anonymity to discuss a private talk.

But then Mr. Biden said something he has not stated so bluntly in public: “But I don’t see the candidate who can clearly do what has to be done to win.”


Likely to decide in the next two weeks? So does that mean he could announce earlier or just take the decision in the next two weeks and then announce on early February as he originally declared?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: UWS on January 07, 2019, 01:09:30 PM
Biden « sees himself as Democrats' best hope in 2020 »

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/06/us/politics/joe-biden-2020-president.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 07, 2019, 01:37:19 PM
not sure if this is within the purview of the thread, but, CAN'T CONTAINEY THE DELANEY

2020 candidate John Delaney hires Iowa staff, schedules office openings (https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2019/01/07/2020-candidate-john-delaney-hires-iowa-staff-plans-six-offices/2495841002/)

I'm not a stickler about this, but my intention for this thread is that no, this would be outside the purview of this thread, since Delaney is already running.  My intention for this thread is for it to be about clues about candidates who aren't running yet, to list all the hints about whether they might run.  So once a candidate actually declares their candidacy, we should talk about them in other threads.  Eventually, many months from now, when everyone has declared their intentions, we can close out this thread.

Biden « sees himself as Democrats' best hope in 2020 »

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/06/us/politics/joe-biden-2020-president.html

Um....that's the exact same article that I just linked to, and that you quoted in your previous post.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on January 07, 2019, 02:55:40 PM
Biden « sees himself as Democrats' best hope in 2020 »

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/06/us/politics/joe-biden-2020-president.html

Didn't he say anyone could beat Trump just a few weeks ago?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 07, 2019, 03:11:08 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
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Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on January 07, 2019, 06:00:50 PM
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community college campuses

Beto/Bernie feud intensifies.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on January 07, 2019, 06:15:26 PM

Essentially how he started his Senate run.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 07, 2019, 09:53:21 PM
Harris's book tour starts tomorrow:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/07/kamala-harris-readies-2020-rollout-1086049

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Harris will hit the morning news show circuit Tuesday with appearances on “Good Morning America” and “The View,” in addition to a National Public Radio interview. She’ll promote her book Wednesday at a Washington event, then make a stop Thursday at “The Late Show with Stephen Colbert.”

After Washington, Harris’ book tour will take her to the Kaufmann Concert Hall in New York on Friday, then San Francisco before two stops in Los Angeles concluding Jan. 13.
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Harris isn’t likely to follow the book tour with the creation of a presidential exploratory committee, according to three people familiar with Harris’ thinking. Their expectation, if she runs, is that the senator would simply launch the formal campaign, which would be led by key staffers from her 2016 Senate run.
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The campaign has told prospective hires that it would likely maintain two campaign hubs to provide a presence on both coasts. Among the cities discussed as a possible location is Baltimore, because of nearby airports and its proximity to Washington, where Harris will need to cast Senate votes.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 08, 2019, 10:30:02 AM
Doesn't look like Harris is going to announce her candidacy today: :P

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/08/harris-plays-coy-2020-bid-1086129

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The California Democrat said in an interview on ABC’s “Good Morning America” on Tuesday morning that “I’m not going to decide right now” whether to launch a White House bid.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Flyersfan232 on January 08, 2019, 10:33:55 AM
Booker headed to South Carolina on MLK Day (Jan. 21):

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/state/south-carolina/article223864720.html


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I will legit change my avatar to Maroon if Booker is the nominee; he's below Biden for me.
would you vote trump just to ensure he dont become president?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 08, 2019, 11:02:42 AM


Apparently, the other bit of news from that story is that O'Rourke won't make a 2020 decision until "February at the earliest":

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/beto-will-decide-2020-february-earliest


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 08, 2019, 11:15:37 AM
Hickenlooper said last week that in addition to a presidential run, he also "hasn't ruled out" a Senate run, though he doesn't sound too keen on becoming a legislator:

https://www.cpr.org/news/story/hickenlooper-talks-legacy-future-aspirations-back-at-the-place-where-it-all-began

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JH: "Sure. I haven’t ruled out a presidential run. Senator Chuck Schumer has called me a couple times. I haven’t ruled out a Senate run, but I certainly think that what I’m good at, what I really enjoy the most, what I find rewarding is building a team and setting high goals and actually operating things, and whether you’re running a restaurant or a city or a state or a country, it’s a great challenge and a great opportunity. As a senator, most senators don’t - you don’t become even the vice chair of a reasonably important committee until your third term."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 08, 2019, 12:05:12 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Deleted User #4049 on January 08, 2019, 12:59:54 PM

It won't be long before the DNC/Brock/Tanden machine whips into motion slandering anyone who dares speak against these two.

Booker, in particular, is horrifying, due to his close connection not only to Wall Street but also to Big Pharma and the people who created the opioid epidemic.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
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Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 08, 2019, 01:20:28 PM


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Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 08, 2019, 01:23:02 PM
Maybe it'll be like Chuck Hagel's 2007 announcement, where he called a press conference to announce that he hadn't yet decided if he was going to run for president.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: No War, but the War on Christmas on January 08, 2019, 04:03:27 PM
Booker headed to South Carolina on MLK Day (Jan. 21):

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/state/south-carolina/article223864720.html


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I will legit change my avatar to Maroon if Booker is the nominee; he's below Biden for me.
would you vote trump just to ensure he dont become president?

Obviously not; whatever Bookers issues he's infinitely better than that Baboon in Chief.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: No War, but the War on Christmas on January 08, 2019, 04:13:16 PM


I'm warming up to Elizabeth Warren so quickly.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 08, 2019, 05:05:31 PM
Harris closes her state campaign committee:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/08/kamala-harris-2020-1088047

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Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), moving closer to an anticipated presidential announcement, has shuttered her state campaign committee and is donating its roughly $1 million balance to a host of organizations, POLITICO has learned.

The decision to close down the nascent “Harris for Governor 2026” committee — which essentially served as an account to park money she raised while serving as the state attorney general, before she was elected senator in 2016 — represents the latest sign that she’s gearing up for a White House run.
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Harris was not expected to run for governor in 2026, but by releasing the money she is ending speculation about electoral plans in her state. Candidates and officeholders maintain separate state and federal committees, given the different laws governing how they can raise and spend money.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), who last week launched an exploratory campaign for president and followed that announcement with a weekend trip to Iowa, is in the process of shutting down her joint fundraising committee.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Alabama_Indy10 on January 08, 2019, 05:11:35 PM
Who are the people that would actually vote for Tom Steyer?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on January 08, 2019, 06:15:33 PM
Steyer's website recently has a notably new design and a section about the "5 Rights", presumably the top themes of the campaign he'll announce tomorrow.

1 - The Right to an Equal Vote

2 - The Right to Clean Air & Clean Water

3 - The Right to Learn (free Pre K-College)

4 - The Right to a Living Wage (presumably $15.00/hour)

He's in. Probably won't do great, but he'll attract a few establishment Democrats who want to roleplay as Progressives.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Shadows on January 08, 2019, 09:52:41 PM

It won't be long before the DNC/Brock/Tanden machine whips into motion slandering anyone who dares speak against these two.

Booker, in particular, is horrifying, due to his close connection not only to Wall Street but also to Big Pharma and the people who created the opioid epidemic.

Horrible !


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 09, 2019, 12:17:51 AM
Politico says that “four people who have spoken with [O’Rourke] or his advisors in recent days” say that he’s “leaning towards a run”.  However, several early primary state operatives are annoyed that they’re being ignored:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/08/beto-orourke-2020-campaign-decision-1088552

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Beto O’Rourke is leaning toward running for president, according to four people who have spoken with him or his advisers in recent days.

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Despite multiple invitations to O’Rourke to appear in Iowa, “we still haven’t heard anything,” said Sean Bagniewski, chairman of the Polk County Democrats. “At this point, I think a lot of folks are starting to assume that he’s not getting in — and move on to other people.”

“If you want to win Iowa, you have to come to Iowa,” he said. “I don’t think [O’Rourke] has missed his window, but it’s not just getting here. Before you get here, you need to have a team who can get it together … You’re starting to miss the window on the major hires.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on January 09, 2019, 12:19:39 AM
Maybe it'll be like Chuck Hagel's 2007 announcement, where he called a press conference to announce that he hadn't yet decided if he was going to run for president.

Heh, learn something new everyday :P


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 09, 2019, 08:10:31 AM
https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/Kamala-Harris-reportedly-ready-to-jump-into-2020-13518611.php

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Word is California Sen. Kamala Harris will announce she’s running for president either on or shortly after the upcoming Martin Luther King weekend.

The exact date is still being worked out, but sources tell us it’s going to be sometime this month — the MLK holiday is Jan. 21.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 09, 2019, 09:18:10 AM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 09, 2019, 11:12:56 AM
Inslee headed to Nevada on Saturday:

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/gov-inslee-will-travel-to-nevada-saturday-as-presidential-exploration-continues/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on January 09, 2019, 11:31:27 AM
Warren to speak at the NH Dems’ McIntyre-Shaheen 100 Club Dinner.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: President Johnson on January 09, 2019, 02:48:20 PM
Kamala Harris appeared twice on televsion yesterday, saying she has not made a final decision. She makes an authentic impression.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-cEU8MlP-U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw0vLgIPWrQ


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on January 09, 2019, 03:45:01 PM
He’s definitely running.



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 09, 2019, 04:09:24 PM
Steyer out. (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/09/us/politics/tom-steyer-trump-2020.html)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: JG on January 09, 2019, 04:15:55 PM
Steyer out. (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/09/us/politics/tom-steyer-trump-2020.html)

Good. Hopefully, Bloomberg will follow.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Cold War Liberal on January 09, 2019, 07:28:31 PM
Steyer out. (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/09/us/politics/tom-steyer-trump-2020.html)

Good. Hopefully, Bloomberg will follow.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Obama-Biden Democrat on January 09, 2019, 08:14:24 PM
Uncle Joe/Beto 2020!|


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Shadows on January 09, 2019, 10:07:20 PM
Bernie Sanders: "There's no crisis at the border. President Trump, you want to talk about crises? 30 million Americans have no health insurance. Climate change threatens our planet. Half of older Americans have no retirement savings. 40 million are dealing with outrageous student debt."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on January 09, 2019, 11:13:25 PM
Steyer's website recently has a notably new design and a section about the "5 Rights", presumably the top themes of the campaign he'll announce tomorrow.

1 - The Right to an Equal Vote

2 - The Right to Clean Air & Clean Water

3 - The Right to Learn (free Pre K-College)

4 - The Right to a Living Wage (presumably $15.00/hour)

He's in. Probably won't do great, but he'll attract a few establishment Democrats who want to roleplay as Progressives.

Well, can't say I've never been wrong.

Surprised Steyer is staying out. He must be really confident in this effort to promote Impeachment which would actually result in a subjectively worse President.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 09, 2019, 11:33:47 PM
Jeb Bush says he won't run again:

https://kdkaradio.radio.com/articles/former-presidential-candidate-jeb-bush-will-not-run-2020-race


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on January 10, 2019, 01:14:30 AM
Jeb Bush says he won't run again:

https://kdkaradio.radio.com/articles/former-presidential-candidate-jeb-bush-will-not-run-2020-race


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Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: YE on January 10, 2019, 01:15:20 AM
Jeb Bush says he won't run again:

https://kdkaradio.radio.com/articles/former-presidential-candidate-jeb-bush-will-not-run-2020-race


Nobody asked if you were going to run again.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: America Needs R'hllor on January 10, 2019, 01:32:01 AM
Jeb Bush says he won't run again:

https://kdkaradio.radio.com/articles/former-presidential-candidate-jeb-bush-will-not-run-2020-race


This is a day of mourning.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: TarHeelDem on January 10, 2019, 03:16:27 AM
Jeb Bush says he won't run again:

https://kdkaradio.radio.com/articles/former-presidential-candidate-jeb-bush-will-not-run-2020-race


Nobody asked if you were going to run again.

Please clap!!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Big Boy Beto on January 10, 2019, 05:07:18 AM
He’s World Emperor for life now, of course he wouldn’t run again. Less time to eat guac.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: TarHeelDem on January 10, 2019, 07:45:14 AM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on January 10, 2019, 07:49:45 AM


and there's major candidate #2.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Skye on January 10, 2019, 07:56:25 AM


I liked these parts:

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Harris' advisers want to avoid identifying her too closely with San Francisco, where she first made her political mark as a two-term district attorney.

"San Francisco is viewed as a very nutty place by people outside of California, and frankly, by a lot of people inside California," Sragow said.

Berkeley, where Harris was raised before her parents divorced and she moved with her mother and sister to Montreal, Canada, has also been dismissed by her strategists as not projecting the image they're looking for.

As in, Harris would be one of the most liberal candidates, yet their campaign wouldn't like being associated with liberal places?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on January 10, 2019, 10:25:16 AM


I liked these parts:

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Harris' advisers want to avoid identifying her too closely with San Francisco, where she first made her political mark as a two-term district attorney.

"San Francisco is viewed as a very nutty place by people outside of California, and frankly, by a lot of people inside California," Sragow said.

Berkeley, where Harris was raised before her parents divorced and she moved with her mother and sister to Montreal, Canada, has also been dismissed by her strategists as not projecting the image they're looking for.

As in, Harris would be one of the most liberal candidates, yet their campaign wouldn't like being associated with liberal places?

This is peak consultant right here. Harris is going to be called a "San Francisco liberal" a thousand times, no matter where she announces her campaign from. They really think that announcing on a stage in Iowa or something is going to give her more votes then announcing on a stage in Oakland? Probably the only way it could hurt her even a bit is if she did it in open air with like the SF skyline and/or GG bridge in the background.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 10, 2019, 11:13:58 AM


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The sources caution that Harris' planned rollout is still being finalized. The location and timing could change. But the current plan is for Harris to throw her hat into the ring sometime over the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday weekend, perhaps even on MLK Day itself, which is Monday, January 21.

Also, Baltimore is the frontrunner for her campaign HQ:

https://www.rollcall.com/news/campaigns/reports-kamala-harris-launch-2020-presidential-run-around-mlk-day

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The city is a 40-minute train ride and roughly an hourlong drive from Washington, allowing Harris more flexibility to make it back to the Capitol on short notice for votes in the Senate.

A Baltimore headquarters would also allow staffers who join the campaign to commute from their homes and apartments in Washington instead of having to find new housing in another part of the country.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on January 10, 2019, 11:57:16 AM
Oakland, despite being a working class city, is home to the Golden State Warriors, a team despised by most of the country. It wouldn't work


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Smith on January 10, 2019, 12:21:15 PM
Oakland, despite being a working class city, is home to the Golden State Warriors, a team despised by most of the country. It wouldn't work

They really aren't. At least no more than the normal backlash given to winning teams. Also a bit besides the point.

Either way, bad optics. Should just run with SF and make the case for big cities, take back the "small town" bs.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 10, 2019, 01:04:01 PM
Philadelphia-based venture capitalist Richard Vague says he's considering a run for the Democratic nomination for president, and that he's been conducting focus groups across the country to test the waters:

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2019/01/10/richard-vague-president/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: tosk on January 10, 2019, 01:11:31 PM
Philadelphia-based venture capitalist Richard Vague says he's considering a run for the Democratic nomination for president, and that he's been conducting focus groups across the country to test the waters:

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2019/01/10/richard-vague-president/


whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on January 10, 2019, 01:19:49 PM
Philadelphia-based venture capitalist Richard Vague says he's considering a run for the Democratic nomination for president, and that he's been conducting focus groups across the country to test the waters:

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2019/01/10/richard-vague-president/


You could say that was a pretty....vague announcement!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Crackhead Mike Lindell on January 10, 2019, 01:48:06 PM
Philadelphia-based venture capitalist Richard Vague says he's considering a run for the Democratic nomination for president, and that he's been conducting focus groups across the country to test the waters:

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2019/01/10/richard-vague-president/


Dude doesn't even have a Wikipedia page


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joe Biden 2024 on January 10, 2019, 01:54:36 PM
Philadelphia-based venture capitalist Richard Vague says he's considering a run for the Democratic nomination for president, and that he's been conducting focus groups across the country to test the waters:

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2019/01/10/richard-vague-president/


I say this as someone who lives in the Philadelphia area:

Who?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Deleted User #4049 on January 10, 2019, 02:01:48 PM
Oakland, despite being a working class city, is home to the Golden State Warriors, a team despised by most of the country. It wouldn't work

They really aren't. At least no more than the normal backlash given to winning teams. Also a bit besides the point.

Either way, bad optics. Should just run with SF and make the case for big cities, take back the "small town" bs.

San Francisco is spectacularly unattractive to a lot of Americans right now for reasons nothing to do with partisan politics. The tech explosion has made it the closest thing to Elysium we have in this country. It's hell on earth for those who are not either extremely wealthy or part of the techie gentrifier class.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on January 10, 2019, 02:04:58 PM
Reading the Vague interview now. For a venture capitalist Democrat, he seems actually like a pretty good guy with decent intentions. He has no chance in hell of winning, but I'd gladly take a guy like him over Romney or Steyer.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 10, 2019, 03:00:05 PM
de Blasio says he's going to do more travel around the country to "preach the gospel" of NYC....and dodges the question of whether said travel implies presidential ambition:

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-deblasio-president-paid-vacation-20190109-story.html

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“I’m focused on New York City, but I know what we do here can have a huge impact on the rest of the country. And I am going to go out and preach the gospel, I am going to go out and talk about the things we’re going here and the impact they can make,” he said.

Asked if that would include more trips to Iowa — home of the first presidential caucus and a state Hizzoner has visited repeatedly during his tenure — the mayor said he would share trip details when he had them.

His initial answer about whether he was exploring a presidential run didn’t amount to a no — and pressed on that, he said, he again did not use the word.

“I’ve said it a bunch of times: I’m mayor of New York City, and I intend to continue,” he said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NewYorkExpress on January 10, 2019, 03:04:30 PM
Jeb Bush says he won't run again:

https://kdkaradio.radio.com/articles/former-presidential-candidate-jeb-bush-will-not-run-2020-race


There was actually demand for a Jeb Bush primary challenge?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Crackhead Mike Lindell on January 10, 2019, 03:04:47 PM
Been a bit quiet on the Gillibrand front, was starting to think she wasn't getting in...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ap-sources-gillibrand-eyes-troy-ny-for-2020-campaign-base/2019/01/10/959c93cc-150e-11e9-ab79-30cd4f7926f2_story.html?utm_term=.0c7da06e92f9

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Democratic Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand is looking at Troy, New York, as a potential base for a 2020 presidential bid, according to multiple people familiar with the discussions.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: President Johnson on January 10, 2019, 03:46:43 PM
Some news on Steve Bullock:

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Governor Steve Bullock Testing Presidential Waters in Effort to Keep American Politics Clear of Big Money

But Steve Bullock is hoping to meet, if not transcend, the political moment. The two-term Montana governor is among a crop of white male politicians from red states testing the presidential waters, including Ohio Senator Sherrod Brown and former Texas Representative Beto O’Rourke. Yes, he was one of just three Democrats to win gubernatorial contests in states that went for Donald Trump in 2016. And yes, he worked with a Republican-controlled Legislature to expand Medicaid. But his real pitch is fighting to get big money out of American politics.

“If we want to address all the other big issues in our electoral system and our political system,” Bullock told Iowa State Fair visitors last summer, “if we really want to address income inequality, if we want to address health care...you’re not going to be able to do it until you’ve also addressed the way that money is corrupting our system.”

Campaign finance, he argues, is foundational—the connective tissue that bridges the identity politics of the coastal elites and the kitchen-table issues of the American heartland. Unsurprisingly, reforming the system has been the centerpiece of his political career.

[...]

For now, Bullock will talk dark money as he uses his Big Sky Values PAC to travel to early-voting states like Iowa and New Hampshire. Montana’s senior senator, Jon Tester, thinks the White House is the ultimate goal. “Yeah, he’s running,” he told reporters in December.

Bullock himself is more coy. “I’m about to walk into a good legislative session,” he says, “and that’s what I’m focused on.”

Full Newsweek Article (https://www.newsweek.com/2019/01/18/governor-steve-bullock-stumping-campaign-finance-reform-1285799.html)

Looks like dark money in politics would be one of his key issues. He has long been an advocate for reforms here.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: lfromnj on January 10, 2019, 03:50:12 PM
Can someone seriously explain the difference betweem klobuchar and bullock? Everyone says klobuchar has no charisma but nut over bullock


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️ on January 10, 2019, 06:03:52 PM
Can someone seriously explain the difference betweem klobuchar and bullock? Everyone says klobuchar has no charisma but nut over bullock

Different gender/haircut means that one is a populist <3 and the other is... something else... >_<


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Grassroots on January 10, 2019, 08:37:54 PM
Some news on Steve Bullock:

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Governor Steve Bullock Testing Presidential Waters in Effort to Keep American Politics Clear of Big Money

But Steve Bullock is hoping to meet, if not transcend, the political moment. The two-term Montana governor is among a crop of white male politicians from red states testing the presidential waters, including Ohio Senator Sherrod Brown and former Texas Representative Beto O’Rourke. Yes, he was one of just three Democrats to win gubernatorial contests in states that went for Donald Trump in 2016. And yes, he worked with a Republican-controlled Legislature to expand Medicaid. But his real pitch is fighting to get big money out of American politics.

“If we want to address all the other big issues in our electoral system and our political system,” Bullock told Iowa State Fair visitors last summer, “if we really want to address income inequality, if we want to address health care...you’re not going to be able to do it until you’ve also addressed the way that money is corrupting our system.”

Campaign finance, he argues, is foundational—the connective tissue that bridges the identity politics of the coastal elites and the kitchen-table issues of the American heartland. Unsurprisingly, reforming the system has been the centerpiece of his political career.

[...]

For now, Bullock will talk dark money as he uses his Big Sky Values PAC to travel to early-voting states like Iowa and New Hampshire. Montana’s senior senator, Jon Tester, thinks the White House is the ultimate goal. “Yeah, he’s running,” he told reporters in December.

Bullock himself is more coy. “I’m about to walk into a good legislative session,” he says, “and that’s what I’m focused on.”

Full Newsweek Article (https://www.newsweek.com/2019/01/18/governor-steve-bullock-stumping-campaign-finance-reform-1285799.html)

Looks like dark money in politics would be one of his key issues. He has long been an advocate for reforms here.

Yes!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 10, 2019, 09:04:06 PM
Swalwell headed to NH on Jan. 31st:

https://www.wmur.com/article/nh-primary-source-warren-leads-january-parade-of-likely-presidential-candidates-in-nh/25839283

Also from that story:

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Democratic sources tell us that former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg is planning a visit to the state before the end of the month and California Sen. Kamala Harris is putting out feelers for potential New Hampshire staffers.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 10, 2019, 09:18:18 PM
Been a bit quiet on the Gillibrand front, was starting to think she wasn't getting in...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ap-sources-gillibrand-eyes-troy-ny-for-2020-campaign-base/2019/01/10/959c93cc-150e-11e9-ab79-30cd4f7926f2_story.html?utm_term=.0c7da06e92f9

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Democratic Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand is looking at Troy, New York, as a potential base for a 2020 presidential bid, according to multiple people familiar with the discussions.

This story says she's already signed a lease there:

https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Gillibrand-reps-lease-5-000-square-foot-Troy-13524638.php

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Campaign representatives for Democratic U.S. Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand signed a lease for a 5,000 square foot space in downtown Troy, according to a local Democratic operative — a sign the recently re-elected Albany native could be basing a presidential campaign in the Capital Region.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on January 10, 2019, 09:22:33 PM
Steve Bullock should run for Senate at this point. He has no lane with Warren, O'Rourke, and Sanders in the race.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Grassroots on January 10, 2019, 09:54:43 PM
Steve Bullock should run for Senate at this point. He has no lane with Warren, O'Rourke, and Sanders in the race.

He has a lane with those mentioned. People who would take his lane would be like Brown or Manchin.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 10, 2019, 10:00:45 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 11, 2019, 01:22:33 AM
Colbert asks Harris if she's going to run for president, and she says "I might".  Video here:

https://twitter.com/colbertlateshow/status/1083539431867498496


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ShamDam on January 11, 2019, 09:39:59 AM
Gillibrand has staffed a comms director: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/us/politics/gillibrand-2020-presidential-run.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 11, 2019, 10:12:25 AM
Gillibrand has staffed a comms director: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/us/politics/gillibrand-2020-presidential-run.html

That story says she's hired two senior communications aides specifically for her imminent presidential campaign, and once she starts paying them for such, she has to file her presidential campaign with the FEC within 15 days:

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Ms. Gillibrand has recruited Meredith Kelly, formerly the top spokeswoman at the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, to serve as communications director for her prospective 2020 campaign, two people familiar with the decision said. Ms. Kelly was part of the team at the House committee that helped the party capture the majority in 2018, overseeing the group’s media strategy during the midterm elections.

Emmy Bengston, the former digital director for Gov. Gavin Newsom of California in his 2018 race, has signed on as Ms. Kelly’s deputy. Ms. Bengston, who also worked on Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign in 2016, will lead Ms. Gillibrand’s digital operation.

The hire is part of a flurry of activity by Ms. Gillibrand in recent weeks as the 2020 campaign gets underway. Politico reported on Thursday night that she is preparing a trip to Iowa later this month and has been in touch with potential campaign staff members there.
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Taking the step of actually retaining new staff — rather than merely conducting interviews or planning out staff recruitment — indicates that Ms. Gillibrand is probably in the very last stages of preparing for the 2020 race. Once politicians raise or spend more than $5,000 on their candidacy, they have just 15 days to file paperwork forming a campaign with the Federal Election Commission.

Politico also says that she's hiring Dan McNally to be her campaign director:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/11/gillibrand-hires-senior-staffers-1097166

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During the 2018 elections, McNally worked as an ad-maker for the consulting firm Shorr Johnson Magnus, after serving as the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee's political director. He also managed Colorado Sen. Michael Bennet's reelection bid in 2016 and served as a regional political director at the DSCC in 2014.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 11, 2019, 10:16:54 AM
Sherrod Brown planning Iowa trip, though no details yet:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/gillibrand-brown-head-to-iowa

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Brown will make the trip in coming weeks, and his chief of staff (and prospective campaign manager, should he choose to run) Sarah Benzing is setting up campaign machinery behind the scenes.

Brown himself is also reportedly connecting with important Democrats in the early voting states.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 11, 2019, 11:07:44 AM
Gillibrand has staffed a comms director: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/us/politics/gillibrand-2020-presidential-run.html

Oh, and another tidbit from that story is this:

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Joseph R. Biden Jr., the former vice president, has also told associates he intends to make a decision this month and has been leaning toward running.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 11, 2019, 11:29:39 AM
Other participants: Bradley Cooper, Michael B. Jordan, Melinda Gates and Lisa Borders. (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/11/beto-orourke-oprah-1097654)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on January 11, 2019, 11:47:44 AM


Beto/Oprah 2020 confirmed.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Cold War Liberal on January 11, 2019, 01:58:00 PM
Other participants: Bradley Cooper, Michael B. Jordan, Melinda Gates and Lisa Borders. (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/11/beto-orourke-oprah-1097654)
Beto/Michael B. Jordan 2020!!!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: 136or142 on January 11, 2019, 03:59:53 PM
If this hasn't been mentioned before, Stacey Abrams is looking at running for U.S Senate or Governor in Georgia and not for President.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 11, 2019, 04:51:49 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on January 11, 2019, 06:15:30 PM
If this hasn't been mentioned before, Stacey Abrams is looking at running for U.S Senate or Governor in Georgia and not for President.

True



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 11, 2019, 06:30:44 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Jon Tester on January 11, 2019, 08:47:38 PM


Oh great, just what we need, a candidate who visited Assad in secret and who regularly goes on RT.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on January 11, 2019, 09:06:31 PM
Tulsi's campaign website is live and man I love this logo.

https://www.tulsi2020.com/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Comrade Funk on January 11, 2019, 09:07:46 PM
Tulsi's campaign website is live and man I love this logo.

https://www.tulsi2020.com/
I will admit it is a pleasing logo.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on January 11, 2019, 09:14:55 PM
Tulsi's campaign website is live and man I love this logo.

https://www.tulsi2020.com/
I will admit it is a pleasing logo.

I hate how low def it is on the site. Looks better on the ActBlue.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on January 11, 2019, 09:17:37 PM
Tulsi's campaign website is live and man I love this logo.

https://www.tulsi2020.com/
I will admit it is a pleasing logo.

I hate how low def it is on the site. Looks better on the ActBlue.

The curviness on the bottom of the letters is now bothering me however.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Comrade Funk on January 11, 2019, 09:19:37 PM
I like how it's not red, white, and blue. A nice change of pace. There should be a campaign logo thread :P


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: MycroftCZ on January 11, 2019, 09:24:23 PM
I like how it's not red, white, and blue. A nice change of pace. There should be a campaign logo thread :P


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on January 11, 2019, 09:26:37 PM
I like how it's not red, white, and blue. A nice change of pace. There should be a campaign logo thread :P

lemme just go ahead and steal this idea


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on January 11, 2019, 11:59:01 PM
*looks at sig*

*becomes confused*


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Senator-elect Spark on January 12, 2019, 01:28:57 AM
Kamala Harris is announcing next week!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on January 12, 2019, 09:48:03 AM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 12, 2019, 01:14:03 PM
The Washington Examiner says don’t expect any GOP challengers to declare before June:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/republicans-plotting-to-oppose-trump-in-2020-waiting-for-mueller-and-june-before-pulling-trigger

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Political operatives and potential candidates that inhabit the loose-knit community of Republicans who oppose Trump’s re-election are eyeing June as the approximate moment for deciding on a primary challenge or independent bid. It’s a strategic delay. Some Republicans think the weight of multiple investigations could motivate the president to exit the White House after one term — especially if special counsel Robert Mueller issues a politically damaging report.

"The scenario I think we could be heading toward is Trump hitting a Mueller-induced problem where there would suddenly be several people looking at running because of the odds increasing that he won’t run again," said Rob Stutzman, a veteran GOP consultant in Sacramento, Calif., who has had discussions with like-minded Republicans about how Trump 2020 might be derailed.

Weirdly, it sounds like Team Kasich is leaning more towards an Indy bid than a GOP primary bid because they don’t want to play spoiler???  Don’t they have that backwards?

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But Kasich isn’t interested in waging a primary campaign that might hobble the president against the Democrats in the general election but falls short of the White House. That’s why he’s considering running as an independent. Any Kasich bid, independent or GOP, would likely rely quite a bit on New Hampshire. The governor finished second there in the 2016 primary, and his supporters in the state say he retains considerable backing for another run.

"We would not run to be a Pat Buchanan-like spoiler. That's not anything that the governor or we are interested in," said John Weaver, a senior Kasich adviser. "We have an organization in place in New Hampshire that's grown since we finished second in 2016. We have consolidated, to some degree, the anti-Trump or disparate groups around the country who are opposed to the president within the party."

Looks like McAuliffe said about a week ago that there’s a 50% chance that he’s going to run:

https://www.msnbc.com/the-beat-with-ari-melber/watch/clinton-buddy-mcauliffe-50-chance-i-ll-challenge-trump-in-2020-1420321347679

And while I’m talking McAuliffe, looks like he’s non-committal on whether he would self-fund:

https://freebeacon.com/politics/mcauliffe-wont-say-whether-he-would-self-fund-potential-2020-campaign-accept-corporate-pac-money/

Bloomberg on the other hand, does say that he’ll self-fund:

https://abcnews.go.com/beta-story-container/Politics/wireStory/bloomberg-hed-fund-2020-white-house-bid-60315610

And finally, Andrew Cuomo still not running:

https://www.niagara-gazette.com/news/local_news/cuomo-insists-he-will-not-join-presidential-race/article_5392ddd7-e56d-537c-971f-a2534adced0c.html

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As Andrew Cuomo tells it now, it’s important that there not be any public “ambiguity” about his political plans. In a public radio interview, he said if he were to be thought of as a candidate for the White House, state legislators might accuse him of taking actions based on his political ambition. He also said, “I don’t want to waste time on dialogue with reporters, (asking) ‘Well are you running or are you not running?”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: beaver2.0 on January 12, 2019, 02:44:49 PM
Maybe Kasich wants to throw the election?  I think even just being in the race gives him a pretty good chance of that.  And there’s some sense in not getting involved in a messy primary and just jumping in as an independent.

I wonder who he’d pick as his running-mate?  I sort of think it’d be some Democrat, though obviously someone out of office and probably not a Governor.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: UWS on January 12, 2019, 02:58:28 PM
« Biden has told some that he’s running » and could even announce on January 15.

https://politicalwire.com/2019/01/12/biden-has-told-some-hes-running/

So that is official but he will just officially announce later in January or in early February.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: aaroncd107 on January 12, 2019, 03:29:48 PM
Maybe Kasich wants to throw the election?  I think even just being in the race gives him a pretty good chance of that.  And there’s some sense in not getting involved in a messy primary and just jumping in as an independent.

I wonder who he’d pick as his running-mate?  I sort of think it’d be some Democrat, though obviously someone out of office and probably not a Governor.

Mattis and Lieberman would both be interesting and make sense.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Roll Roons on January 12, 2019, 03:40:38 PM
Maybe Kasich wants to throw the election?  I think even just being in the race gives him a pretty good chance of that.  And there’s some sense in not getting involved in a messy primary and just jumping in as an independent.

I wonder who he’d pick as his running-mate?  I sort of think it’d be some Democrat, though obviously someone out of office and probably not a Governor.

Mattis and Lieberman would both be interesting and make sense.

Mattis would bring a ton of credibility to the ticket, but I doubt he'd run against his former boss. Lieberman seems more likely, considering that he even endorsed McCain in '08.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: JG on January 12, 2019, 03:46:17 PM
« Biden has told some that he’s running » and could even announce on January 15.

https://politicalwire.com/2019/01/12/biden-has-told-some-hes-running/

So that is official but he will just officially announce later in January or in early February.

Ugh.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: OneJ on January 12, 2019, 04:26:41 PM
« Biden has told some that he’s running » and could even announce on January 15.

https://politicalwire.com/2019/01/12/biden-has-told-some-hes-running/

So that is official but he will just officially announce later in January or in early February.

Ugh.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ON Progressive on January 12, 2019, 04:28:15 PM
« Biden has told some that he’s running » and could even announce on January 15.

https://politicalwire.com/2019/01/12/biden-has-told-some-hes-running/

So that is official but he will just officially announce later in January or in early February.

Ugh.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Big Boy Beto on January 12, 2019, 05:29:11 PM
I doubt he’d win the primaries but Biden is right in saying that he’s the Democrats’ best hope in 2020. Appeals to the blue collar workers in ways that other candidates cannot, and that is the key to winning back the Rust Belt and therefore the White House.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lognog on January 12, 2019, 06:05:10 PM
« Biden has told some that he’s running » and could even announce on January 15.

https://politicalwire.com/2019/01/12/biden-has-told-some-hes-running/

So that is official but he will just officially announce later in January or in early February.

Ugh.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on January 12, 2019, 06:10:30 PM
« Biden has told some that he’s running » and could even announce on January 15.

https://politicalwire.com/2019/01/12/biden-has-told-some-hes-running/

So that is official but he will just officially announce later in January or in early February.

Ugh.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Roll Roons on January 12, 2019, 06:16:15 PM
I doubt he’d win the primaries but Biden is right in saying that he’s the Democrats’ best hope in 2020. Appeals to the blue collar workers in ways that other candidates cannot, and that is the key to winning back the Rust Belt and therefore the White House.

Brown appeals to blue collar workers just as much as Biden, and he has a lot less baggage. Only thing is that he would give up his Senate seat and it may be tough for Democrats to get it back after DeWine appoints a replacement.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 12, 2019, 06:40:34 PM
Here's a recap of Inslee's Nevada appearance today, with a quote from him about his 2020 decision:

https://bangordailynews.com/2019/01/12/national-politics/democratic-governors-mayors-could-crowd-2020-presidential-primaries/

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The 67-year-old governor and former congressman told The Associated Press in an interview after that he hasn’t made a decision about whether to run for president but “it won’t be months away.” Inslee said he’s talking to potential staff and traveling to talk with Democrats around the country, but there’s “no litmus test or pivot point” that his decision hinges on.

Historically, sitting governors are often among the last of the presidential candidates to formally declare their candidacy (just look at the 2016 election cycle timeline).  FHQ's timeline of state legislative sessions:

http://frontloading.blogspot.com/2019/01/invisibleprimary-visible-primary.html

shows that Washington's legislative session this year ends on April 28th, while Montana's ends on May 1st.  You might expect Inslee and Bullock to then wait until May to start their presidential campaigns, but it looks like Inslee at least isn't going to wait that long.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on January 12, 2019, 06:46:35 PM
I doubt he’d win the primaries but Biden is right in saying that he’s the Democrats’ best hope in 2020. Appeals to the blue collar workers in ways that other candidates cannot, and that is the key to winning back the Rust Belt and therefore the White House.
When has Biden won in an election in a state with blue collar workers? Being Obama’s second banana doesn’t count and is irrelevant. Most people couldn’t pick the VP out in a lineup. Biden is a perpetual loser in presidential politics. And white blue collar workers are not the only key to win back the White House. Some of you continuously act like other demographics don’t live in these states.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 12, 2019, 06:46:37 PM
« Biden has told some that he’s running » and could even announce on January 15.

https://politicalwire.com/2019/01/12/biden-has-told-some-hes-running/

So that is official but he will just officially announce later in January or in early February.

This is a misleading recap if you read the Axios story that this is based on:

https://www.axios.com/1-election-thing-joe-biden-is-running-most-days-1547307957-62bbf645-69e3-4df5-bad3-1f8da28670f2.html

That story starts out by saying that Biden has told some people he's running, but then ends with:

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We're told authoritatively that Biden hasn't decided. So who knows where his head winds up.

So it sounds like more of a muddle, with no clear conclusion as to whether he's really decided or not.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 12, 2019, 08:06:55 PM
Brown:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/11/sherrod-brown-trump-slayer-heres-his-big-idea/?utm_term=.d927aea83e3e

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Sen. Sherrod Brown will travel to the early presidential primary states in coming weeks, he confirmed to me in an interview.
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“Connie and I are going to go into the primary states fairly soon,” Brown told me. “We’ll assess and decide within a couple of months.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: nolesfan2011 on January 12, 2019, 08:42:54 PM
Gillibrand is in (not that anyone expected different)

"In A Private Meeting, Kirsten Gillibrand Signals She Will Run For President"

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/darrensands/gillibrand-private-meeting-women-2020-president


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Frodo on January 12, 2019, 08:53:12 PM
I doubt he’d win the primaries but Biden is right in saying that he’s the Democrats’ best hope in 2020. Appeals to the blue collar workers in ways that other candidates cannot, and that is the key to winning back the Rust Belt and therefore the White House.

Oh, I think he can win the primaries, especially if his more progressive opposition is split between so many other candidates.

Though I wonder during the general election campaign if he can end up like Hillary Clinton in 2016 when certain key constituencies didn't show up in the required numbers in key states, despite winning the overall popular vote.  He could make up WWC support in some states, but fall short with other constituencies (like young people and women) in others.  


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Grassroots on January 12, 2019, 09:16:15 PM
Gillibrand is in (not that anyone expected different)

"In A Private Meeting, Kirsten Gillibrand Signals She Will Run For President"

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/darrensands/gillibrand-private-meeting-women-2020-president

ew


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: UWS on January 12, 2019, 11:50:13 PM
I doubt he’d win the primaries but Biden is right in saying that he’s the Democrats’ best hope in 2020. Appeals to the blue collar workers in ways that other candidates cannot, and that is the key to winning back the Rust Belt and therefore the White House.

Oh, I think he can win the primaries, especially if his more progressive opposition is split between so many other candidates.

Though I wonder during the general election campaign if he can end up like Hillary Clinton in 2016 when certain key constituencies didn't show up in the required numbers in key states, despite winning the overall popular vote.  He could make up WWC support in some states, but fall short with other constituencies (like young people and women) in others.  

Yep. His more progressive opposition will be divided between Sanders and Warren, which makes me believe that he may win the New Hampshire primary. So he would win more easily.

That’s how moderate Republicans like John McCain and Mitt Romney won the Republican nomination, respectively in 2008 and 2012 because their more conservative opposition was divided between Romney and Huckabee in 2008 and between Gingrich and Santorum in 2012.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 13, 2019, 12:51:43 AM
Gillibrand is in (not that anyone expected different)

"In A Private Meeting, Kirsten Gillibrand Signals She Will Run For President"

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/darrensands/gillibrand-private-meeting-women-2020-president

Quote from that story:

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A top Gillibrand aide earlier this week told BuzzFeed News that the senator would likely announce the launch of an exploratory committee in the "coming weeks" and possibly in January. On Saturday, the aide declined to comment.

"Possibly in January."  My guess is she announces it much earlier than the end of January.  Probably within the next week, IMHO, based on the news coming out of Team Gillibrand these last few days.  I mean, she's apparently made these hires for her proto-presidential campaign, and even rented office space.  Plus according to this story, she's (privately) telling groups of people outsider her immediate orbit that she's decided to run.

This looks like someone who's going to announce something in just a few days.  It would make sense for her to announce her exploratory committee before she goes on that trip to Iowa (which she's reportedly going to make next weekend.)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Skye on January 13, 2019, 05:52:14 AM
Gillibrand looks to me like someone who will try to play the long game, who will be a constant but reduced presence there until everyone else collapses. Something like Kasich. Might not be a good plan anyways. That or she'll be another Scott Walker.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Doimper on January 13, 2019, 12:31:55 PM
Gillibrand looks to me like someone who will try to play the long game, who will be a constant but reduced presence there until everyone else collapses. Something like Kasich. Might not be a good plan anyways. That or she'll be another Scott Walker.

The whole point of a primary is to win big early on and gain "momentum" (at least in theory). The fact that most of the recent presidential primaries have dragged on has made people forget that they're often decided by Super Tuesday or earlier.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Shadows on January 13, 2019, 12:53:23 PM
Supporters of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) held over 400 house parties in all 50 states and Puerto Rico on Saturday afternoon calling on Sanders to run for president again in 2020. Saturday’s show of force, arranged by Organizing for Bernie ― an upstart group founded by Sanders campaign alumni and grassroots activists ― demonstrated one of the senator’s biggest advantages if he decides to return to the ring: a network of supporters already familiar with his message and skilled in do-it-yourself internet organizing.

Although Sanders and his campaign team were not directly involved in Saturday’s events, the house parties were co-sponsored by People for Bernie and Our Revolution, the latter group created to carry on the mission of Sanders’ 2016 campaign. The livestream, which was broadcast by progressive media upstart Act.tv, had attracted over 100,000 views as of Saturday evening.

Source -  Huffington Post


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on January 13, 2019, 01:28:11 PM


Having worked with Liz before this is an amazing hire.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on January 13, 2019, 03:24:42 PM


Having worked with Liz before this is an amazing hire.
How are anyone remotely related to the Clinton clusterf**k even remotely hirable?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on January 13, 2019, 03:33:10 PM
IT'S HAPPENING https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/11/sherrod-brown-2020-iowa-1090314&ved=2ahUKEwix_tqdzevfAhUhooMKHZdEDCsQqOcBMAB6BAgHEAQ&usg=AOvVaw3E6ylshhiHqkJNXTciNMM2


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on January 13, 2019, 03:51:24 PM


Having worked with Liz before this is an amazing hire.
How are anyone remotely related to the Clinton clusterf**k even remotely hirable?
Hill won NH bruh


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on January 13, 2019, 03:55:05 PM


Having worked with Liz before this is an amazing hire.
How are anyone remotely related to the Clinton clusterf**k even remotely hirable?
Hill won NH bruh
By the skin of her teeth lol. And only after two-thirds of the state’s Democrats rejected her in favor of Bernie.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Karpatsky on January 13, 2019, 04:05:41 PM
IT'S HAPPENING https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/11/sherrod-brown-2020-iowa-1090314&ved=2ahUKEwix_tqdzevfAhUhooMKHZdEDCsQqOcBMAB6BAgHEAQ&usg=AOvVaw3E6ylshhiHqkJNXTciNMM2

Oh boy. In my mind I know the Democrats need his senate seat to prevent 2021 being another McConnell obstruction fest, but in my heart it feels right.

I'll probably be living in an April primary state when the election comes, so it won't matter much, but still.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on January 13, 2019, 04:06:43 PM


Having worked with Liz before this is an amazing hire.
How are anyone remotely related to the Clinton clusterf**k even remotely hirable?
Hill won NH bruh
By the skin of her teeth lol. And only after two-thirds of the state’s Democrats rejected her in favor of Bernie.

Please do not act like you know anything about Hillary's NH staff.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 13, 2019, 04:28:23 PM
de Blasio declines to rule out a run:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/13/de-blasio-new-york-mayor-progressives-1098725

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“I never rule things out because you never know what life brings,” de Blasio told Tapper. “But I’m focused on the work I do now and getting out this message.”

On a different note….

Merkley says he expects to make a decision on 2020 by March:

http://kbnd.com/kbnd-news/local-news-feed/418029

I’m not sure if this is from the same interview, but it looks like he made these comments in the same week:

https://www.opb.org/news/article/oregon-jeff-merkley-presidential-run-doubts/

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In an interview with OPB before holding a town hall in east Portland, Merkley said he’s still weighing several concerns. Perhaps chief among them is the high cost of mounting a presidential challenge — something he said could cost tens of millions of dollars.

“You would really have to build a vast operation to be competitive given the design of our primary system,” Merkley said, “and that would require an all-out effort. And so it’s balancing that effort against putting all my efforts in through the Senate.”

He noted that at least three of his potential rivals are billionaires and that several others have built national followings allowing them to raise large sums of money on the internet.

I don’t know, I think whenever a prospective candidate starts talking about the huge cost of mounting a campaign, I read it as a sign that they’re probably leaning towards no.  That plus the fact that the effort to allow him to run for prez and Senate simultaneously went nowhere in the Oregon legislature leads me to think that Merkley is probably leaning against a run at the moment.  But I guess we’ll find out within the next couple of months.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on January 13, 2019, 04:54:06 PM


Having worked with Liz before this is an amazing hire.
How are anyone remotely related to the Clinton clusterf**k even remotely hirable?
Hill won NH bruh
By the skin of her teeth lol. And only after two-thirds of the state’s Democrats rejected her in favor of Bernie.

Please do not act like you know anything about Hillary's NH staff.
Please don’t act like being part of or connected to the most middle tier levels of Clinton’s Staff is some kind of accomplishment or something to be proud of.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on January 13, 2019, 05:19:17 PM


Having worked with Liz before this is an amazing hire.
How are anyone remotely related to the Clinton clusterf**k even remotely hirable?
Hill won NH bruh
By the skin of her teeth lol. And only after two-thirds of the state’s Democrats rejected her in favor of Bernie.

Please do not act like you know anything about Hillary's NH staff.
Please don’t act like being part of or connected to the most middle tier levels of Clinton’s Staff is some kind of accomplishment or something to be proud of.

Gotcha me offering my thoughts on someone I worked with was definitely that 🙄. I’m sorry I upset you.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Canis on January 13, 2019, 05:36:38 PM
 Draft Beto Movement Hiring Staff in Nevada and California
https://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/politics/backers-of-former-texas-congressman-beto-o-rourke-hiring-staff-in-nevada/1692346815
Hoping to raise 1 million for his campaign


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on January 13, 2019, 05:41:38 PM
Harris and Gillibrand strike me as two candidates who could still run for President in the future if they fail to clinch the nomination this time. It's make or break for Sanders, Biden, Beto, and Warren, on the other hand.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Figueira on January 13, 2019, 06:47:01 PM


Having worked with Liz before this is an amazing hire.
How are anyone remotely related to the Clinton clusterf**k even remotely hirable?
Hill won NH bruh

No, she literally didn't. Winning a state's superdelegates foes not count as winning the state.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: new_patomic on January 13, 2019, 07:09:16 PM


Having worked with Liz before this is an amazing hire.
How are anyone remotely related to the Clinton clusterf**k even remotely hirable?
Hill won NH bruh

No, she literally didn't. Winning a state's superdelegates foes not count as winning the state.

I think they were pretty obviously referring to:
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Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on January 13, 2019, 07:38:06 PM


Having worked with Liz before this is an amazing hire.
How are anyone remotely related to the Clinton clusterf**k even remotely hirable?
Hill won NH bruh

No, she literally didn't. Winning a state's superdelegates foes not count as winning the state.

I think they were pretty obviously referring to:
()

Yes


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NewYorkExpress on January 13, 2019, 08:00:52 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/13/politics/bill-de-blasio-democrats-cnntv/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/13/politics/bill-de-blasio-democrats-cnntv/index.html)

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New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio said Sunday that some moderate Democrats were wrong not to stake out a bolder agenda following the party's national losses in 2016.

"There is still a lot of moderate voices in the party that did not learn the lessons of 2016 and are not listening to what people need in this country," de Blasio, a Democrat, told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union." "So I want to push this whole party, and I want to inform this debate in this country about the fact that we could go a lot farther, we could be a lot bolder than what we're doing now."

De Blasio said in the interview he wanted to influence the national debate, but when asked about the possibility of running for president in 2020, he said only that he would not rule it out.

"I never rule things out because you never know what life brings, but I'm focused on the work I'm doing now and getting this message out," de Blasio said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: OneJ on January 13, 2019, 09:11:10 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/13/politics/bill-de-blasio-democrats-cnntv/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/13/politics/bill-de-blasio-democrats-cnntv/index.html)

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New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio said Sunday that some moderate Democrats were wrong not to stake out a bolder agenda following the party's national losses in 2016.

"There is still a lot of moderate voices in the party that did not learn the lessons of 2016 and are not listening to what people need in this country," de Blasio, a Democrat, told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union." "So I want to push this whole party, and I want to inform this debate in this country about the fact that we could go a lot farther, we could be a lot bolder than what we're doing now."

De Blasio said in the interview he wanted to influence the national debate, but when asked about the possibility of running for president in 2020, he said only that he would not rule it out.

"I never rule things out because you never know what life brings, but I'm focused on the work I'm doing now and getting this message out," de Blasio said.

So he suggests that Democrats lost in 2016 because they were too far left...#greatanalysis


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NewYorkExpress on January 13, 2019, 09:17:00 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/13/politics/bill-de-blasio-democrats-cnntv/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/13/politics/bill-de-blasio-democrats-cnntv/index.html)

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New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio said Sunday that some moderate Democrats were wrong not to stake out a bolder agenda following the party's national losses in 2016.

"There is still a lot of moderate voices in the party that did not learn the lessons of 2016 and are not listening to what people need in this country," de Blasio, a Democrat, told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union." "So I want to push this whole party, and I want to inform this debate in this country about the fact that we could go a lot farther, we could be a lot bolder than what we're doing now."

De Blasio said in the interview he wanted to influence the national debate, but when asked about the possibility of running for president in 2020, he said only that he would not rule it out.

"I never rule things out because you never know what life brings, but I'm focused on the work I'm doing now and getting this message out," de Blasio said.

So he suggests that Democrats lost in 2016 because they were too far left...#greatanalysis

That's not what he said. His argument was clearly that Hillary lost because she wasn't far enough to the left, not because she was too far left.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on January 13, 2019, 09:27:21 PM


Having worked with Liz before this is an amazing hire.
How are anyone remotely related to the Clinton clusterf**k even remotely hirable?
Hill won NH bruh

No, she literally didn't. Winning a state's superdelegates foes not count as winning the state.

I think they were pretty obviously referring to:
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Yes
That "win" in NH for Hillary was pretty pathetic, winning the state by a smaller margin than Trump won the Rust Belt states. If Liz was the architect behind Hillary's win in NH, then Warren is surely doomed.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on January 13, 2019, 09:46:14 PM


Having worked with Liz before this is an amazing hire.
How are anyone remotely related to the Clinton clusterf**k even remotely hirable?
Hill won NH bruh

No, she literally didn't. Winning a state's superdelegates foes not count as winning the state.

I think they were pretty obviously referring to:
()

Yes
That "win" in NH for Hillary was pretty pathetic, winning the state by a smaller margin than Trump won the Rust Belt states. If Liz was the architect behind Hillary's win in NH, then Warren is surely doomed.
lol she was not, that would be Mike Vlacich who if any candidate could lure away from his current job would be very lucky to have.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ○∙◄☻Ątπ[╪AV┼cVę└ on January 13, 2019, 10:08:22 PM


Having worked with Liz before this is an amazing hire.
How are anyone remotely related to the Clinton clusterf**k even remotely hirable?
Hill won NH bruh
By the skin of her teeth lol. And only after two-thirds of the state’s Democrats rejected her in favor of Bernie.

Please do not act like you know anything about Hillary's NH staff.
Please don’t act like being part of or connected to the most middle tier levels of Clinton’s Staff is some kind of accomplishment or something to be proud of.

Gotcha me offering my thoughts on someone I worked with was definitely that 🙄. I’m sorry I upset you.

Hillary went from 74% in a poll to 37% of the vote in NH. A very poor choice by Warren.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Figueira on January 13, 2019, 10:19:38 PM


Having worked with Liz before this is an amazing hire.
How are anyone remotely related to the Clinton clusterf**k even remotely hirable?
Hill won NH bruh

No, she literally didn't. Winning a state's superdelegates foes not count as winning the state.

I think they were pretty obviously referring to:
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God, I even volunteered for Clinton in NH in the general. I need more sleep.

Anyway, I am not a Warren 2020 supporter, but I don't think having worked for Hillary Clinton automatically means you're bad at everything.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: OneJ on January 13, 2019, 10:19:59 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/13/politics/bill-de-blasio-democrats-cnntv/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/13/politics/bill-de-blasio-democrats-cnntv/index.html)

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New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio said Sunday that some moderate Democrats were wrong not to stake out a bolder agenda following the party's national losses in 2016.

"There is still a lot of moderate voices in the party that did not learn the lessons of 2016 and are not listening to what people need in this country," de Blasio, a Democrat, told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union." "So I want to push this whole party, and I want to inform this debate in this country about the fact that we could go a lot farther, we could be a lot bolder than what we're doing now."

De Blasio said in the interview he wanted to influence the national debate, but when asked about the possibility of running for president in 2020, he said only that he would not rule it out.

"I never rule things out because you never know what life brings, but I'm focused on the work I'm doing now and getting this message out," de Blasio said.

So he suggests that Democrats lost in 2016 because they were too far left...#greatanalysis

That's not what he said. His argument was clearly that Hillary lost because she wasn't far enough to the left, not because she was too far left.

Ah, I see. I definitely skipped a small, yet significant piece in that.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on January 13, 2019, 11:18:40 PM


Having worked with Liz before this is an amazing hire.
How are anyone remotely related to the Clinton clusterf**k even remotely hirable?
Hill won NH bruh
By the skin of her teeth lol. And only after two-thirds of the state’s Democrats rejected her in favor of Bernie.

Please do not act like you know anything about Hillary's NH staff.
Please don’t act like being part of or connected to the most middle tier levels of Clinton’s Staff is some kind of accomplishment or something to be proud of.

Gotcha me offering my thoughts on someone I worked with was definitely that 🙄. I’m sorry I upset you.

Hillary went from 74% in a poll to 37% of the vote in NH. A very poor choice by Warren.
Thanks for the analysis.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 14, 2019, 01:21:44 AM
Harris continued her book tour in Los Angeles today, but the crazy part is, her event was moderated by Cory Booker's ex-girlfriend, Cleo Wade:

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-kamala-harris-book-events-20190113-story.html

(Though, is Cleo really his ex-girlfriend, or are they back on?  They were apparently pretty close last month: https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2018/12/13/sen-cory-booker-poet-cleo-wade-talk-self-care-sage-fire-alarms )


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 14, 2019, 01:36:46 AM
New AP story on the 2020 race here:

http://www.startribune.com/2020-democratic-primary-set-to-intensify/504306232/

A few tidbits:

-Booker's campaign HQ will be in Newark.
-Booker, Gillibrand, and Harris announcements all thought to be fairly imminent ("in the coming weeks").
-Neither O'Rourke nor Sanders plan to announce anything until February at the earliest.
-Hickenlooper, despite doing some hiring and organization, reportedly won't launch until March.
-Unlike the others, Biden isn't currently doing anything to build his team.  He's still in the stage of "huddling with aides while he moves closer to a decision":

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Former Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper, who left office last week, added foreign policy adviser Jeremy Rosner, finance director Dan Sorenson and a senior communications adviser Marie Logsden to his political action committee in recent days, according to an aide. Hickenlooper is traveling to Los Angeles this week to meet with donors and has scheduled visits to early voting states later in the month.

The 66-year-old term-limited governor and former businessman, who remains largely unknown to many primary voters, does not plan to launch his campaign before March.

Sanders, the lone 2020 prospect who ran in 2016, has interviewed close to 20 people to fill senior positions such as campaign manager and directors of policy, communications and his field program. A senior aide said the hiring process has been particularly focused on adding diversity — in both gender and race — that didn't exist in his last presidential campaign.
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Biden remains silent about his plans. The 76-year-old Democrat has done little to build teams on the ground in key states, instead sticking to the schedule of huddling with aides while he moves closer to a decision.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Shadows on January 14, 2019, 07:42:40 AM
Means of Production, the filmmaking cooperative that created the viral campaign video that propelled Ocasio-Cortez’s House campaign, is in talks with the Sanders team about a major role in 2020. And two people who powered Sanders’ record-breaking small-dollar fundraising operation in 2016 have agreed to join a subsequent presidential bid if it materializes, according to a Sanders campaign aide: Tim Tagaris and Robin Curran, his digital fundraising director and digital production director in 2016, respectively. The aide said another pair that have helped Sanders build a digital media juggernaut out of his Senate office — media producer Armand Aviram and digital director Georgia Parke — are likely to be part of his 2020 team, too.

Burton said the Detroit-based team would likely create “big, beautiful ads” and “drumbeat content” for Sanders if it was brought on for 2020. "We have certainly been talking with his team," she said, adding that if Sanders runs, "He's the only candidate we would work for.” This week, Sanders’ Senate team streamed his rebuttal to President Trump’s Oval Office address on Facebook, Twitter and YouTube, which went on to garner more than 1.1 million views. In comparison, former Rep. O’Rourke, who is also considering a presidential bid, received almost 200,000 views when he filmed himself on Facebook live for more than an-hour-and-a-half to refute Trump; a short clip of the video got another 480,000 views on Twitter.

CrowdTangle data recently compiled by a person close to the Sanders campaign also underscores his social media muscle compared to other presidential hopefuls: Sanders’ videos had nearly 1.5 billion views in 2017 and 2018 on Facebook — almost three times more than all other potential 2020 Democratic candidates’ videos combined, according to the report. On Saturday, the People for Bernie Sanders hosted more than 400 house parties throughout the country to push Sanders to run in 2020. Winnie Wong, a co-founder of the group, said the events showed that outside pro-Sanders organizations also have extensive social media power that can be put to use in a presidential election.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/14/bernie-sanders-campaign-2020-election-1098795

Politico story - Sanders' building up a strong digital team as outside Bernie supporting groups host 400 House parties urging Sanders to run !


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Grassroots on January 14, 2019, 07:45:31 AM
Means of Production, the filmmaking cooperative that created the viral campaign video that propelled Ocasio-Cortez’s House campaign, is in talks with the Sanders team about a major role in 2020. And two people who powered Sanders’ record-breaking small-dollar fundraising operation in 2016 have agreed to join a subsequent presidential bid if it materializes, according to a Sanders campaign aide: Tim Tagaris and Robin Curran, his digital fundraising director and digital production director in 2016, respectively. The aide said another pair that have helped Sanders build a digital media juggernaut out of his Senate office — media producer Armand Aviram and digital director Georgia Parke — are likely to be part of his 2020 team, too.

Burton said the Detroit-based team would likely create “big, beautiful ads” and “drumbeat content” for Sanders if it was brought on for 2020. "We have certainly been talking with his team," she said, adding that if Sanders runs, "He's the only candidate we would work for.” This week, Sanders’ Senate team streamed his rebuttal to President Trump’s Oval Office address on Facebook, Twitter and YouTube, which went on to garner more than 1.1 million views. In comparison, former Rep. O’Rourke, who is also considering a presidential bid, received almost 200,000 views when he filmed himself on Facebook live for more than an-hour-and-a-half to refute Trump; a short clip of the video got another 480,000 views on Twitter.

CrowdTangle data recently compiled by a person close to the Sanders campaign also underscores his social media muscle compared to other presidential hopefuls: Sanders’ videos had nearly 1.5 billion views in 2017 and 2018 on Facebook — almost three times more than all other potential 2020 Democratic candidates’ videos combined, according to the report. On Saturday, the People for Bernie Sanders hosted more than 400 house parties throughout the country to push Sanders to run in 2020. Winnie Wong, a co-founder of the group, said the events showed that outside pro-Sanders organizations also have extensive social media power that can be put to use in a presidential election.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/14/bernie-sanders-campaign-2020-election-1098795

Politico story - Sanders' building up a strong digital team as outside Bernie supporting groups host 400 House parties urging Sanders to run !

"Means of production". It's like they're not even trying to hide the obvious socialism.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sir Mohamed on January 14, 2019, 09:15:19 AM
News on Biden.

Via Joe (https://www.joe.ie/politics/joe-biden-2020-president-654745)

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Joe Biden is close to announcing his presidential run, according to reports in the American media.

The former vice-president is understood to have sounded out allies within the Democratic party in the build up to this week.

Biden is "closer than he ever was in 2016" to making a go of securing the top table in the White House and "serious in his discussions with potential supporters," Axios reports. The American political publisher says Biden has knowingly told Democrat mates "If I'm walking, I'm running."

Biden's younger brother Frank also believes Joe will run, as do some of his close advisers.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 14, 2019, 09:57:27 AM
News on Biden.

Via Joe (https://www.joe.ie/politics/joe-biden-2020-president-654745)

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Joe Biden is close to announcing his presidential run, according to reports in the American media.

The former vice-president is understood to have sounded out allies within the Democratic party in the build up to this week.

Biden is "closer than he ever was in 2016" to making a go of securing the top table in the White House and "serious in his discussions with potential supporters," Axios reports. The American political publisher says Biden has knowingly told Democrat mates "If I'm walking, I'm running."

Biden's younger brother Frank also believes Joe will run, as do some of his close advisers.

That's just a re-reporting of the Axios story linked here:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=303677.msg6622887#msg6622887

Which again, is a bit of a muddle, because it sounds authoritatively like he's leaning in towards a run, but then ends with "We're told authoritatively that Biden hasn't decided."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Cold War Liberal on January 14, 2019, 11:07:05 AM
"Means of production". It's like they're not even trying to hide the obvious socialism.
Well, yeah, typically when you describe yourself as a democratic socialist you're not going to shy away from being called socialist...


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 14, 2019, 11:09:44 AM
Booker and Gillibrand are both apparently losing weight to prepare for their campaigns:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/14/nyregion/cory-booker-gillibrand-weight-loss-2020.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Grassroots on January 14, 2019, 12:39:12 PM
"Means of production". It's like they're not even trying to hide the obvious socialism.
Well, yeah, typically when you describe yourself as a democratic socialist you're not going to shy away from being called socialist...

If they weren't shying away from being called socialists they wouldn't call themselves "democratic" socialists.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ON Progressive on January 14, 2019, 01:36:32 PM
"Means of production". It's like they're not even trying to hide the obvious socialism.
Well, yeah, typically when you describe yourself as a democratic socialist you're not going to shy away from being called socialist...

If they weren't shying away from being called socialists they wouldn't call themselves "democratic" socialists.

Are you being deliberately braindead and obtuse? Democratic socialists call themselves socialists without shying away from it.

If they wanted to shy away from it, they’d call themselves social democrats or something.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Grassroots on January 14, 2019, 02:30:53 PM
"Means of production". It's like they're not even trying to hide the obvious socialism.
Well, yeah, typically when you describe yourself as a democratic socialist you're not going to shy away from being called socialist...

If they weren't shying away from being called socialists they wouldn't call themselves "democratic" socialists.

Are you being deliberately braindead and obtuse? Democratic socialists call themselves socialists without shying away from it.

If they wanted to shy away from it, they’d call themselves social democrats or something.

Lol what do you mean. If they wanted to be called socialists they would call themselves socialists. The fact that they have to add democratic at the end shows how cautious they are.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: President Johnson on January 14, 2019, 02:34:38 PM
Booker and Gillibrand are both apparently losing weight to prepare for their campaigns:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/14/nyregion/cory-booker-gillibrand-weight-loss-2020.html


Didn't work for Christie although he had other issues.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Big Abraham on January 14, 2019, 02:36:16 PM
"Means of production". It's like they're not even trying to hide the obvious socialism.
Well, yeah, typically when you describe yourself as a democratic socialist you're not going to shy away from being called socialist...

If they weren't shying away from being called socialists they wouldn't call themselves "democratic" socialists.

Are you being deliberately braindead and obtuse? Democratic socialists call themselves socialists without shying away from it.

If they wanted to shy away from it, they’d call themselves social democrats or something.

Lol what do you mean. If they wanted to be called socialists they would call themselves socialists. The fact that they have to add democratic at the end shows how cautious they are.


That's because it's necessary to distinguish between the various forms of state or authoritarian socialism and decentralised economic models. Not that it matters anyway, because no one in the Democratic Party is an actual socialist and very few people calling themselves 'socialist', democratic or otherwise, are anything other than mildly social democratic.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Cold War Liberal on January 14, 2019, 02:36:31 PM
"Means of production". It's like they're not even trying to hide the obvious socialism.
Well, yeah, typically when you describe yourself as a democratic socialist you're not going to shy away from being called socialist...

If they weren't shying away from being called socialists they wouldn't call themselves "democratic" socialists.

Are you being deliberately braindead and obtuse? Democratic socialists call themselves socialists without shying away from it.

If they wanted to shy away from it, they’d call themselves social democrats or something.

Lol what do you mean. If they wanted to be called socialists they would call themselves socialists. The fact that they have to add democratic at the end shows how cautious they are.
Or maybe the world is nuanced, there are more than one kind of socialism, and Sanders et al are advocating for their kind of socialism which is different from other kinds.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Skye on January 14, 2019, 03:53:17 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on January 14, 2019, 05:00:03 PM
I got information from someone (claims to be close to Ohio Democratic Party and DNC) that Sherrod Brown would have guaranteed VP slot to somebody who will win D's primary.

Do you think this is real?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on January 14, 2019, 05:30:24 PM
I got information from someone (claims to be close to Ohio Democratic Party and DNC) that Sherrod Brown would have guaranteed VP slot to somebody who will win D's primary.

Do you think this is real?

Do you mean that Brown worked out a deal with somebody that he'd be their VP? Obviously it's possible but there's no way of knowing.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: lfromnj on January 14, 2019, 05:32:28 PM
why would any democrat pick brown as their VP and why would brown agree to be VP?

he  would be like 76 by 2028.





Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Roll Roons on January 14, 2019, 05:49:37 PM
Also bear in mind that Brown was a finalist to be Hillary's running mate, but she didn't go through with it because she knew that he'd be replaced in the Senate by a Republican. That was his only real negative, but it's a big one and it hasn't gone away.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on January 14, 2019, 05:58:15 PM
I got information from someone (claims to be close to Ohio Democratic Party and DNC) that Sherrod Brown would have guaranteed VP slot to somebody who will win D's primary.

Do you think this is real?

If it is true it's probably Harris....

 or maybe it's Warren trying to avoid more progressives from joining the race


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Karpatsky on January 14, 2019, 10:20:46 PM
Also bear in mind that Brown was a finalist to be Hillary's running mate, but she didn't go through with it because she knew that he'd be replaced in the Senate by a Republican. That was his only real negative, but it's a big one and it hasn't gone away.

This. A D who wants to have a chance of, y'know, doing things in office would be a fool to take Sherrod out of that seat for VP.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on January 14, 2019, 10:28:40 PM
I got information from someone (claims to be close to Ohio Democratic Party and DNC) that Sherrod Brown would have guaranteed VP slot to somebody who will win D's primary.

Do you think this is real?

Makes sense, especially if the nominee is Kamala.

My only concern with this is that who could we possibly nominate to hold his Senate seat if he becomes Vice President Brown?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: The Mikado on January 14, 2019, 10:47:22 PM
Hopefully no Democratic nominee would be stupid enough to cost us a Senate seat by elevating Brown to VP.

Hopefully.

(This is nothing against Sherrod Brown, whom I like and respect and hope stays in the Senate until he dies).


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Ye We Can on January 15, 2019, 12:20:31 AM
Anyone else getting "Mayor Pete 2020" ads on Facebook for buttigieg?

I guess the page was up for awhile and is a draft thing but looks like a little of activity all of a sudden


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 15, 2019, 01:13:16 AM


I already mentioned this in the other thread, but she’s reportedly going to announce on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert tomorrow (Tuesday) night:

https://theweek.com/speedreads/817666/sen-kirsten-gillibrand-reportedly-announce-2020-run-colbert-week

In other news, de Blasio elaborates on his opening of the door to a presidential run:

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2019/01/14/de-blasio-says-changing-world-is-why-he-is-not-ruling-out-a-2020-presidential-run

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"Not ruling it out means not ruling it out," the mayor said when pressed for more details during an unrelated news conference Monday. "My current plan is to do this job with great intensity all the way until the end of 2021. But we're in an ever-changing environment, and I was trying to be honest: I'm simply not ruling it out."
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"The world changed," the mayor said when asked what changed since his 2017 promise. "Today, when I say my plan is to serve until the end of 2021, I mean it. That is my plan. But I also see an extraordinary environment, where we're seeing challenges we never saw before. We're seeing dangers we never saw before. You know, it's a time when it makes sense to rethink what's going on and how to address it."

The mayor didn't offer a timeline for a potential decision, saying this was just beginning of the process.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on January 15, 2019, 08:09:55 AM
I got information from someone (claims to be close to Ohio Democratic Party and DNC) that Sherrod Brown would have guaranteed VP slot to somebody who will win D's primary.

Further informations on that are as follows:

- Brown would be also having a blank cheque whether to run or not in Democratic primaries, it has to be up to him only

- He was offered to be a horse of "Rust Belt Act" (whatever that name means) which is being reportedly in the works

- That guaranteed Brown's VP slot would not only limit to the winner of Dem primaries, but to any other Democratic contender, I was told that he would get also guaranteed VP offers from "everyone" contending Democratic primaries

- That case about losing a Senate seat when choosing Sherrod for VP in 2020 (because Ohio governor is a Republican) was of course being considered, but according to the informations I got the stakes in 2020 are higher than losing a Senate seat, because it goes about presidency, and such decision was taken concerning that problem

Have you ever heard of "Rust Belt Act"?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on January 15, 2019, 08:18:52 AM
I got information from someone (claims to be close to Ohio Democratic Party and DNC) that Sherrod Brown would have guaranteed VP slot to somebody who will win D's primary.

- That case about losing a Senate seat when choosing Sherrod for VP in 2020 (because Ohio governor is a Republican) was of course being considered, but according to the informations I got the stakes in 2020 are higher than losing a Senate seat, because it goes about presidency, and such decision was taken concerning that problem


This is absurd logic, the 2020 Senate map favors the GOP as is, why run the risk of losing both the White House and remaining the minority party in the Senate?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on January 15, 2019, 08:57:03 AM
I got information from someone (claims to be close to Ohio Democratic Party and DNC) that Sherrod Brown would have guaranteed VP slot to somebody who will win D's primary.

- That case about losing a Senate seat when choosing Sherrod for VP in 2020 (because Ohio governor is a Republican) was of course being considered, but according to the informations I got the stakes in 2020 are higher than losing a Senate seat, because it goes about presidency, and such decision was taken concerning that problem


This is absurd logic, the 2020 Senate map favors the GOP as is, why run the risk of losing both the White House and remaining the minority party in the Senate?

I was also told that such decision was made because long-term planning in American politics is not so common, because no one knows what will happen in, say, 5 or 10 years or even earlier, some economic crisis or ex. drought in agriculture. That decision was allegedly taken in Brown's Senate staff and DNC.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 15, 2019, 11:05:19 AM
Kasich joins CNN as a political commentator:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/15/media/john-kasich-cnn-contributor/index.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Comrade Funk on January 15, 2019, 04:25:35 PM
Could be BS



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on January 15, 2019, 04:42:24 PM
Could be BS



More likely a student leaving their project behind.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: JG on January 15, 2019, 04:42:43 PM
Could be BS





Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: MycroftCZ on January 15, 2019, 04:59:05 PM
I know it's a fake, but if that was her actual campaign logo, I wouldn't hate it. It plays up her rural appeal and it's an interesting shape that would help her stand out amongst some other, more boring campaigns(Julian). 


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sestak on January 15, 2019, 05:07:16 PM
This used to be "sherrodforohio". Now just "sherrod".

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Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on January 15, 2019, 05:11:21 PM
I know it's a fake, but if that was her actual campaign logo, I wouldn't hate it. It plays up her rural appeal and it's an interesting shape that would help her stand out amongst some other, more boring campaigns(Julian). 

I really like it tbh. It’s different and non generic. Might be better for a candidate from Colorado though?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: MycroftCZ on January 15, 2019, 05:25:39 PM
I know it's a fake, but if that was her actual campaign logo, I wouldn't hate it. It plays up her rural appeal and it's an interesting shape that would help her stand out amongst some other, more boring campaigns(Julian). 

I really like it tbh. It’s different and non generic. Might be better for a candidate from Colorado though?

True! Hickenlooper should be taking notes.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on January 15, 2019, 05:27:21 PM
As Nate pointed out: Minnesota is the 5th flattest state. Doesn't matter since she's not running for the senate seat this time around.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Skye on January 15, 2019, 06:18:39 PM
Could be BS



I feel bad for the guy who designed this cause people are crapping all over it.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: #TheShadowyAbyss on January 15, 2019, 06:50:56 PM


Oooh!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: MycroftCZ on January 15, 2019, 06:53:18 PM


Oooh!

Exploratory Committee?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on January 15, 2019, 07:20:46 PM
Kirsten Gillibrand is in.

kirstengillibrand.com


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on January 15, 2019, 07:21:16 PM


Oooh!

Exploratory Committee?

Had Cordray won last year, I would be ecstatic about this. It sucks to say this, but Sherrod Brown would serve his country and state better by staying in the Senate.  He probably wouldn't be able to win the primary anyway, granted, so maybe he's just running for the hell of it, but still, I don't think it's worth the risk.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on January 15, 2019, 07:29:02 PM
Her announcement video is fantastic-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=13P1KqMfxiI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=13P1KqMfxiI)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on January 15, 2019, 07:39:24 PM
I know it's a fake, but if that was her actual campaign logo, I wouldn't hate it. It plays up her rural appeal and it's an interesting shape that would help her stand out amongst some other, more boring campaigns(Julian). 

I really like it tbh. It’s different and non generic. Might be better for a candidate from Colorado though?

Or Montana


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on January 15, 2019, 07:40:54 PM
Her announcement video is fantastic-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=13P1KqMfxiI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=13P1KqMfxiI)


It actually is. But unfortunately, it focuses on things that too few care about anymore-accomplishments and policy.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ilikeverin on January 15, 2019, 07:44:26 PM
Could be BS





As a Minnesotan, the spokesman's reaction was exactly mine before I scrolled down.  Amazing! ;D  Yeah, definitely can't be real.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on January 15, 2019, 08:22:47 PM
Her announcement video is fantastic-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=13P1KqMfxiI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=13P1KqMfxiI)


Can't tell if sarcasm or not, but I think it is.

I'm excited for her campaign.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ○∙◄☻Ątπ[╪AV┼cVę└ on January 15, 2019, 08:26:27 PM
Her announcement video is fantastic-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=13P1KqMfxiI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=13P1KqMfxiI)


How many of that video's 209 views have come from this forum?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 15, 2019, 08:53:30 PM
Brown will go on a tour of all four early primary states:

https://www.cleveland.com/politics/2019/01/sherrod-brown-is-going-on-tour-to-the-first-four-early-presidential-states.html

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Sen. Sherrod Brown will travel to Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina, the latest move in a possible run for president in 2020.

In a conference call with reporters Tuesday night before announcing the trip nationally on MSNBC, Brown said his early-state jaunt will begin Jan. 30 in Cleveland. His first stop will be Jan. 31 in Iowa, with the other early-primary season states following over the course of February.
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“I don’t know if I’m running yet,” Brown said. “Connie and I are thinking about it. We’re talking to people. If we decide to run, it’s a matter of weeks away.”

Brown said he has been in contact with political leaders in the early states, but declined to give names.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Roll Roons on January 15, 2019, 08:58:05 PM


Oooh!

Exploratory Committee?

Had Cordray won last year, I would be ecstatic about this. It sucks to say this, but Sherrod Brown would serve his country and state better by staying in the Senate.  He probably wouldn't be able to win the primary anyway, granted, so maybe he's just running for the hell of it, but still, I don't think it's worth the risk.

Even if Cordray had won I think a Republican would have still won Brown's seat in the special election.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Karpatsky on January 15, 2019, 08:59:14 PM
Wow, Sherrod's being a bit of a tease on MSNBC. I don't know who he thinks he's fooling announcing a tour to the first four primary states but continuing to say he's 'still thinking about' running.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Harlow on January 15, 2019, 09:21:41 PM
Her announcement video is fantastic-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=13P1KqMfxiI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=13P1KqMfxiI)


What a strange quote to end on.

"[...] You have done all this very much out of the spotlight."
*cut to campaign logo*

Like, okay...


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: JG on January 15, 2019, 09:56:59 PM
Her announcement video is fantastic-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=13P1KqMfxiI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=13P1KqMfxiI)


It actually is. But unfortunately, it focuses on things that too few care about anymore-accomplishments and policy.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Shadows on January 15, 2019, 10:42:54 PM
She highlights how she has opposed the most Trump nominees like if it was a game & showed that she was progressive. She opposed all these guys with a planned pitch that she was most opposed to Trump.

Who really talks about opposing President X's Cabinet Nominees as some kind of crowning achievement ?

And she has like 400 views. That is just terrible & pitiful !


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Jon Tester on January 16, 2019, 12:21:09 AM
Is it just me or is Sherrod's Dignity Of Work branding really on point?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 16, 2019, 12:53:29 AM
With the pace of news picking up, stuff is slipping through the cracks.  This story from last week slipped my attention, but here it is:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/11/wall-street-hears-from-democratic-governors-considering-2020-runs.html

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Several Democratic politicians – known collectively as "the governors" among elite donors – have been in contact with Wall Street's top political financiers as they each consider running for president in 2020, CNBC has learned.

The group includes former Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper, former Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe, Washington Gov. Jay Inslee and Montana Gov. Steve Bullock, according to business leaders with knowledge of the discussions who declined to be named.
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A person close to Hickenlooper, who handed the Colorado governor's office to fellow Democrat Jared Polis earlier this week, said he has been meeting with donors in New York.

"I can confirm he has met with top New York donors," this person said. "We meet with a wide range of donors with shared values across sectors."
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While courting New York's elite donors, Bullock's team has also been reaching out to potential staff in Iowa, a Democratic staffer in the state told CNBC on the condition of anonymity.

Meanwhile, there’s a long Buttigieg profile here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/magazine/wp/2019/01/14/feature/could-pete-buttigieg-become-the-first-millennial-president/?utm_term=.919a5ffa68fa

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For all his aw-shucksiness, if Buttigieg has the least bit of doubt that he’s ready to make the leap to commander in chief, at an age that barely qualifies him constitutionally for the job, it’s impossible to detect. He has often been urged to run for Congress — the next logical steppingstone — but he sees it as a dead end. “I would find it demoralizing,” he says.

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But on Dec. 20, three days after announcing that he wouldn’t run for a third term in South Bend, he spoke at the annual Progress Iowa holiday party in Des Moines — signaling his intentions to political observers. In January, he hired Marcus Switzer, Hillary Clinton’s 2016 deputy finance director. And in February, following the release of his book, “Shortest Way Home: One Mayor’s Challenge and a Model for America’s Future,” Buttigieg plans to strike out across the country on what will likely amount to an exploratory campaign for the presidency.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 16, 2019, 10:04:56 AM
Klobuchar’s family on board with a run:

https://www.nbcnews.com/card/2020-roundup-klobuchar-inching-closer-bid-n958826

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Minnesota Democratic Sen. Amy Klobuchar told MSNBC's "Morning Joe" on Tuesday that her family "is on board" with a possible presidential bid. While she added that she is going to make "this decision on my own course," she noted that candidates sometimes use their families as a way out of running and that won't be the case here. 

A followup on Brown’s road trip: He clarifies here that his ultimate decision on a run won’t happen until March:

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/676604096/ohio-sen-sherrod-brown-moves-closer-to-launching-2020-campaign

We now have quite a few candidates with a “March” decision timeframe (sometimes framed as “by the end of the first quarter”): Brown, Garcetti, Hickenlooper, McAuliffe, and Merkley are all giving this timeframe.  Maybe some/most will announce at the very end of the month to try to maximize their 2nd quarter fundraising number (which is what Warren did for the 1st quarter).


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 16, 2019, 11:09:42 AM
Moulton headed to New Hampshire on Feb. 2nd:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2019/01/16/rep-moulton-speak-restarting-buzz-may-run-for-president/1Q7hZFR33aZ1ttXVFMQfJN/story.html

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In a meeting with The Boston Globe editorial board Monday, Moulton was directly asked three times if he would run for president. Each time he immediately changed the subject.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Shadows on January 16, 2019, 12:29:01 PM
Brown Sanders Warren is going to be a very left wing group. You add how left people like Booker Harris Gillibrand have moved, the primaries will look completely different ideologically & policy wise than in 2016.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Grassroots on January 16, 2019, 02:34:38 PM
She highlights how she has opposed the most Trump nominees like if it was a game & showed that she was progressive. She opposed all these guys with a planned pitch that she was most opposed to Trump.

Who really talks about opposing President X's Cabinet Nominees as some kind of crowning achievement ?

And she has like 400 views. That is just terrible & pitiful !

Facts, rocky start for her.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: The Free North on January 16, 2019, 05:07:14 PM
She highlights how she has opposed the most Trump nominees like if it was a game & showed that she was progressive. She opposed all these guys with a planned pitch that she was most opposed to Trump.

Who really talks about opposing President X's Cabinet Nominees as some kind of crowning achievement ?

And she has like 400 views. That is just terrible & pitiful !

Facts, rocky start for her.

She's going nowhere so it really doesnt matter.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Crackhead Mike Lindell on January 16, 2019, 06:27:44 PM
She highlights how she has opposed the most Trump nominees like if it was a game & showed that she was progressive. She opposed all these guys with a planned pitch that she was most opposed to Trump.

She was the lone Senator to vote against confirming James Mattis. It was 99-1. And why? Pathetic points scoring.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on January 16, 2019, 06:31:44 PM
She highlights how she has opposed the most Trump nominees like if it was a game & showed that she was progressive. She opposed all these guys with a planned pitch that she was most opposed to Trump.

She was the lone Senator to vote against confirming James Mattis. It was 99-1. And why? Pathetic points scoring.

She voted against him because the military should be citizen-led. A very appropriate decision.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on January 16, 2019, 06:32:17 PM
She highlights how she has opposed the most Trump nominees like if it was a game & showed that she was progressive. She opposed all these guys with a planned pitch that she was most opposed to Trump.

Who really talks about opposing President X's Cabinet Nominees as some kind of crowning achievement ?

And she has like 400 views. That is just terrible & pitiful !

Facts, rocky start for her.

She's going nowhere so it really doesnt matter.

I mean, we were all saying this about Trump, but Atlas never learns.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on January 16, 2019, 06:50:03 PM
Hmmmmmmmmm. https://dignityofwork.com

This might as well be a campaign site. It's also worth pointing out that the top picture there of Brown is the same picture at the top of the Draft Brown website.

ALL HAIL SHERRGOD.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on January 16, 2019, 07:45:28 PM
Brown Sanders Warren is going to be a very left wing group. You add how left people like Booker Harris Gillibrand have moved, the primaries will look completely different ideologically & policy wise than in 2016.

And that's saying a lot because 2016 really didn't have that much of a substance-based contrast between Clinton and Sanders, contrary to popular belief.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ○∙◄☻Ątπ[╪AV┼cVę└ on January 16, 2019, 07:51:28 PM
Brown Sanders Warren is going to be a very left wing group. You add how left people like Booker Harris Gillibrand have moved, the primaries will look completely different ideologically & policy wise than in 2016.

And that's saying a lot because 2016 really didn't have that much of a substance-based contrast between Clinton and Sanders, contrary to popular belief.

Bernie did his best to keep it about the issues. But Hillary people avoided the issues, except for gun control, which was suddenly the most important issue ever since Bernie had a D- rather than an F from the NRA.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: History505 on January 16, 2019, 07:54:16 PM
Is Holder still considering? Haven't read much about him making any moves lately.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: bilaps on January 16, 2019, 08:07:28 PM
Brown Sanders Warren is going to be a very left wing group. You add how left people like Booker Harris Gillibrand have moved, the primaries will look completely different ideologically & policy wise than in 2016.

And that's saying a lot because 2016 really didn't have that much of a substance-based contrast between Clinton and Sanders, contrary to popular belief.

Bernie did his best to keep it about the issues. But Hillary people avoided the issues, except for gun control, which was suddenly the most important issue ever since Bernie had a D- rather than an F from the NRA.

Also, there wasn't contrast if you believe HRC. But, you know thrustworthiness is not her top quality. I mean you could beleive her that she went to the big banks to tell them to knock it off or that she's against the TPP but in reality there were people who saw her as a phony which she was.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 16, 2019, 08:43:13 PM
Moulton headed to New Hampshire on Feb. 2nd:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2019/01/16/rep-moulton-speak-restarting-buzz-may-run-for-president/1Q7hZFR33aZ1ttXVFMQfJN/story.html

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In a meeting with The Boston Globe editorial board Monday, Moulton was directly asked three times if he would run for president. Each time he immediately changed the subject.

Update on this:

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/01/16/seth-moulton-2020-presidential-election/

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Seth Moulton is exploring the idea of running for the Democratic nomination for president in 2020, a source close to the Massachusetts congressman told WBZ-TV Wednesday.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on January 16, 2019, 09:03:58 PM
I wanna know what is going on in Seth Moulton's mind that tells him that running for President is a good idea, let alone what even makes him think he even stands a chance winning the nomination after his attempted coup against Pelosi fell flat?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on January 16, 2019, 09:54:23 PM
Theory: Tim Ryan was planning on running, but now that it seems Brown will run, he is shying away from it, leaving Moulton (good friend/ally of Ryan) out in the rain with only one option; run a campaign that nobody wants.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on January 16, 2019, 10:13:44 PM
I wanna know what is going on in Seth Moulton's mind that tells him that running for President is a good idea, let alone what even makes him think he even stands a chance winning the nomination after his attempted coup against Pelosi fell flat?
I was imagining Eric Swalwell's face in my head until I typed his name in on Google. He really needs to sit down.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: LabourJersey on January 16, 2019, 10:47:44 PM
I wanna know what is going on in Seth Moulton's mind that tells him that running for President is a good idea, let alone what even makes him think he even stands a chance winning the nomination after his attempted coup against Pelosi fell flat?

Based on what I've read about the guy he's insanely arrogant and probably convinced he should and will become President, way more so than even the typical ambitious politician


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 17, 2019, 01:23:09 AM
Booker and others doing early primary state talent recruiting:

https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/election/article224616140.html

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Cory Booker has been in contact with Michael Frosolone, who was the director of the Iowa House Democrats political operation in 2018, about a role in the campaign. Other potential candidates, including Kirsten Gillibrand, Eric Garcetti and Kamala Harris, have also been in touch with staffers in the state.

“Everybody is a free agent this time around, regardless if there was allegiance to Hillary or Bernie,” said Sean Bagniewski, the chairman of the Polk County Democrats in Iowa. “All the voters are free agents and all the staff are free agents.”
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In New Hampshire, several Democratic hopefuls, including Steve Bullock and Terry McAuliffe and Booker held meet-and-greet sessions with groups of local staffers during visits last year.
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Jim Demers, who co-chaired Barack Obama’s 2008 New Hampshire campaign and Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign, said he would serve as an adviser to Cory Booker on a volunteer basis if, as expected, the New Jersey senator launches a presidential bid. Demers said Booker is still searching for a state director in New Hampshire.

O’Rourke is “not yet assembling a campaign team”, and yet his advisers are plotting his hypothetical campaign:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/16/orourke-advisers-2020-plans-1105967

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The effort is preliminary, and the imprimatur of O’Rourke was implied — not stated, the sources said. Unlike many candidates-in-waiting, who have PACs or other organizations to assemble staff, O’Rourke is not yet assembling a campaign team.

But in talks with Democratic strategists, Bond and David Wysong, O’Rourke’s former longtime chief of staff, have discussed ways for O’Rourke to expand the “distributed organizing” form of field operations used by Sanders in 2016 and replicated by O’Rourke last year — with the campaign training low-level staffers and volunteers to orchestrate their own, phone banking, text and email operations.

The story also repeats what Politico also reported last week: That four people who have spoken to O'Rourke or his advisers say he’s leaning towards running.

Finally, Bullock’s in no rush to announce, and may well wait until after the Montana legislative session ends at the end of April:

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Montana-s-Bullock-in-no-rush-to-announce-plans-13538990.php

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During a news conference Wednesday, Bullock deflected repeated questions on his presidential aspirations and whether delaying an announcement would put him at a disadvantage when it comes to raising money in a crowded field.

"I am at a great advantage to be able to do the job that I get to do, and that's what I'm focusing on," he said. "My aspirations are to make sure that we get publicly funded pre-school for our kids and Medicaid expansion."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Askew on January 17, 2019, 02:35:09 AM


Having worked with Liz before this is an amazing hire.
How are anyone remotely related to the Clinton clusterf**k even remotely hirable?

Yeah, you'd think the Hillary staffers would be pariahs after their  up in 2016. It's one thing to lose a race, but Hillary was supposed to win in a landslide and due in large part to her campaign's laziness and mismanagement they didn't.

If Biden hasn't started staffing up yet, he's going to struggle to get top talent. I am not sure there are enough top talent staffers for all the candidates running and the longer you wait the more likely you end up with Robby Mook as your Campaign Manager.

And Brown is just an absolute no. We need that Senate seat and he doesn't bring enough to the table to make giving that up worth it especially with his domestic abuse issues in the past.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lechasseur on January 17, 2019, 06:33:30 AM


Having worked with Liz before this is an amazing hire.
How are anyone remotely related to the Clinton clusterf**k even remotely hirable?

Yeah, you'd think the Hillary staffers would be pariahs after their  up in 2016. It's one thing to lose a race, but Hillary was supposed to win in a landslide and due in large part to her campaign's laziness and mismanagement they didn't.

If Biden hasn't started staffing up yet, he's going to struggle to get top talent. I am not sure there are enough top talent staffers for all the candidates running and the longer you wait the more likely you end up with Robby Mook as your Campaign Manager.

And Brown is just an absolute no. We need that Senate seat and he doesn't bring enough to the table to make giving that up worth it especially with his domestic abuse issues in the past.

I mean, Brown is one of the party's strongest possible candidates. The Democrats are NOT winning the Senate back in 2020 anyway, so who cares if it's 52-48 R or 53-47 R? You're stll in the minority. So I really do not get why you're all rejecting Brown over that. Frankly if I were him I'd be tempted to resign the Senate seat just so you'll all stop holding it against him.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Cold War Liberal on January 17, 2019, 06:38:51 AM


Having worked with Liz before this is an amazing hire.
How are anyone remotely related to the Clinton clusterf**k even remotely hirable?

Yeah, you'd think the Hillary staffers would be pariahs after their  up in 2016. It's one thing to lose a race, but Hillary was supposed to win in a landslide and due in large part to her campaign's laziness and mismanagement they didn't.

If Biden hasn't started staffing up yet, he's going to struggle to get top talent. I am not sure there are enough top talent staffers for all the candidates running and the longer you wait the more likely you end up with Robby Mook as your Campaign Manager.

And Brown is just an absolute no. We need that Senate seat and he doesn't bring enough to the table to make giving that up worth it especially with his domestic abuse issues in the past.

I mean, Brown is one of the party's strongest possible candidates. The Democrats are NOT winning the Senate back in 2020 anyway, so who cares if it's 52-48 R or 53-47 R? You're stll in the minority. So I really do not get why you're all rejecting Brown over that. Frankly if I were him I'd be tempted to resign the Senate seat just so you'll all stop holding it against him.
It's an uphill battle, sure, but it's by no means a given that Republicans will hold the Senate in 2020, especially if the presidency isn't close.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on January 17, 2019, 07:17:34 AM


Having worked with Liz before this is an amazing hire.
How are anyone remotely related to the Clinton clusterf**k even remotely hirable?

Yeah, you'd think the Hillary staffers would be pariahs after their  up in 2016. It's one thing to lose a race, but Hillary was supposed to win in a landslide and due in large part to her campaign's laziness and mismanagement they didn't.

If Biden hasn't started staffing up yet, he's going to struggle to get top talent. I am not sure there are enough top talent staffers for all the candidates running and the longer you wait the more likely you end up with Robby Mook as your Campaign Manager.

And Brown is just an absolute no. We need that Senate seat and he doesn't bring enough to the table to make giving that up worth it especially with his domestic abuse issues in the past.

I mean, Brown is one of the party's strongest possible candidates. The Democrats are NOT winning the Senate back in 2020 anyway, so who cares if it's 52-48 R or 53-47 R? You're stll in the minority. So I really do not get why you're all rejecting Brown over that. Frankly if I were him I'd be tempted to resign the Senate seat just so you'll all stop holding it against him.

They absolutely can. They arent the current favorites, but the GOP isnt in overwhelming favor to hold the chamber. It just takes a net of 3, along with the presidency:
Gain CO
Gain ME
Gain AZ
Gain either NC/IA
Lose AL

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Very doable


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lechasseur on January 17, 2019, 07:30:12 AM


Having worked with Liz before this is an amazing hire.
How are anyone remotely related to the Clinton clusterf**k even remotely hirable?

Yeah, you'd think the Hillary staffers would be pariahs after their  up in 2016. It's one thing to lose a race, but Hillary was supposed to win in a landslide and due in large part to her campaign's laziness and mismanagement they didn't.

If Biden hasn't started staffing up yet, he's going to struggle to get top talent. I am not sure there are enough top talent staffers for all the candidates running and the longer you wait the more likely you end up with Robby Mook as your Campaign Manager.

And Brown is just an absolute no. We need that Senate seat and he doesn't bring enough to the table to make giving that up worth it especially with his domestic abuse issues in the past.

I mean, Brown is one of the party's strongest possible candidates. The Democrats are NOT winning the Senate back in 2020 anyway, so who cares if it's 52-48 R or 53-47 R? You're stll in the minority. So I really do not get why you're all rejecting Brown over that. Frankly if I were him I'd be tempted to resign the Senate seat just so you'll all stop holding it against him.

They absolutely can. They arent the current favorites, but the GOP isnt in overwhelming favor to hold the chamber. It just takes a net of 3, along with the presidency:
Gain CO
Gain ME
Gain AZ
Gain either NC/IA
Lose AL

^
Very doable

That will only happen if 2020 is a landslide imo. CO and AZ are definitely doable (I'd be very surprised if CO doesn't flip), NC isn't impossible but I think Trump will be having a very bad night if he loses NC, and I don't see Tillis losing if Trump doesn't lose NC, and then ME I think is likely R, I think Collins only loses if 2020 is a mega landslide. Same for Iowa. And I don't think the front runners right now, except just maybe Beto (Biden most likely won't get the nomination), are anywhere near capable of that.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on January 17, 2019, 07:35:36 AM


Having worked with Liz before this is an amazing hire.
How are anyone remotely related to the Clinton clusterf**k even remotely hirable?

Yeah, you'd think the Hillary staffers would be pariahs after their  up in 2016. It's one thing to lose a race, but Hillary was supposed to win in a landslide and due in large part to her campaign's laziness and mismanagement they didn't.

If Biden hasn't started staffing up yet, he's going to struggle to get top talent. I am not sure there are enough top talent staffers for all the candidates running and the longer you wait the more likely you end up with Robby Mook as your Campaign Manager.

And Brown is just an absolute no. We need that Senate seat and he doesn't bring enough to the table to make giving that up worth it especially with his domestic abuse issues in the past.

I mean, Brown is one of the party's strongest possible candidates. The Democrats are NOT winning the Senate back in 2020 anyway, so who cares if it's 52-48 R or 53-47 R? You're stll in the minority. So I really do not get why you're all rejecting Brown over that. Frankly if I were him I'd be tempted to resign the Senate seat just so you'll all stop holding it against him.

They absolutely can. They arent the current favorites, but the GOP isnt in overwhelming favor to hold the chamber. It just takes a net of 3, along with the presidency:
Gain CO
Gain ME
Gain AZ
Gain either NC/IA
Lose AL

^
Very doable

That will only happen if 2020 is a landslide imo. CO and AZ are definitely doable (I'd be very surprised if CO doesn't flip), NC isn't impossible but I think Trump will be having a very bad night if he loses NC, and I don't see Tillis losing if Trump doesn't lose NC, and then ME I think is likely R, I think Collins only loses if 2020 is a mega landslide.

This isnt the landslide map, this is just a good D win map(preferably around D+3-4).

-CO and AL should be obvious flips.
-AZ is very doable, considering how terribly unpopular McSally is to start off.
-You would be very correct on Tillis.....if he werent one of the most unpopular senators in the United States. The Ds could very much mount a strong challenge against him and depose him, just as they did for the similarly unpopular Governor in 2016, even while Trump won the state.
-Similar case in ME. It would only be likely R if Collins was insanely popular like she was in the past. She isnt. Her latest approval has her at an even score(starting off the campaign season, thats pretty bad, especially since approvals are more likely to go down as the campaign starts, not up), and thats simply not enough to win ME.

A D landslide would include more seats flipped, such as GA, MT, and possibly even AK and TX. That would be a landslide.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Frenchrepublican on January 17, 2019, 10:11:21 AM


Having worked with Liz before this is an amazing hire.
How are anyone remotely related to the Clinton clusterf**k even remotely hirable?

Yeah, you'd think the Hillary staffers would be pariahs after their  up in 2016. It's one thing to lose a race, but Hillary was supposed to win in a landslide and due in large part to her campaign's laziness and mismanagement they didn't.

If Biden hasn't started staffing up yet, he's going to struggle to get top talent. I am not sure there are enough top talent staffers for all the candidates running and the longer you wait the more likely you end up with Robby Mook as your Campaign Manager.

And Brown is just an absolute no. We need that Senate seat and he doesn't bring enough to the table to make giving that up worth it especially with his domestic abuse issues in the past.

I mean, Brown is one of the party's strongest possible candidates. The Democrats are NOT winning the Senate back in 2020 anyway, so who cares if it's 52-48 R or 53-47 R? You're stll in the minority. So I really do not get why you're all rejecting Brown over that. Frankly if I were him I'd be tempted to resign the Senate seat just so you'll all stop holding it against him.

They absolutely can. They arent the current favorites, but the GOP isnt in overwhelming favor to hold the chamber. It just takes a net of 3, along with the presidency:
Gain CO
Gain ME
Gain AZ
Gain either NC/IA
Lose AL

^
Very doable

That will only happen if 2020 is a landslide imo. CO and AZ are definitely doable (I'd be very surprised if CO doesn't flip), NC isn't impossible but I think Trump will be having a very bad night if he loses NC, and I don't see Tillis losing if Trump doesn't lose NC, and then ME I think is likely R, I think Collins only loses if 2020 is a mega landslide.

This isnt the landslide map, this is just a good D win map(preferably around D+3-4).

-CO and AL should be obvious flips.
-AZ is very doable, considering how terribly unpopular McSally is to start off.
-You would be very correct on Tillis.....if he werent one of the most unpopular senators in the United States. The Ds could very much mount a strong challenge against him and depose him, just as they did for the similarly unpopular Governor in 2016, even while Trump won the state.
-Similar case in ME. It would only be likely R if Collins was insanely popular like she was in the past. She isnt. Her latest approval has her at an even score(starting off the campaign season, thats pretty bad, especially since approvals are more likely to go down as the campaign starts, not up), and thats simply not enough to win ME.

A D landslide would include more seats flipped, such as GA, MT, and possibly even AK and TX. That would be a landslide.

Democrats are clearly the underdog for the 2020 senatorial election (the same way republicans are the underdog in the fight for the house), NC is six to seven points more republican than the rest of the country, so Lechasseur is right, it would require a democratic landslide in order to win it at the presidential level, concerning Tillis, he is not more unpopular than Burr at that time in 2015, so it’s doubtful that he loses while Trump wins the state, besides as we saw in 2014, he is a though campaigner, as for Collins, you should note that her approval numbers are still positive in a PPP poll which speaks for itself, if PPP has Collins at +2, her numbers are probably close to something like +15, she can be defeated but it won’t be easy for democrats.

GA and TX  will be close to impossible to win for democrats, democrats failed to win even one statewide race in both states in 2018 despite the fact this midterm election was the most favorable to them since 1974, Abrams is a basically a communist and she will get destroyed again in rural areas and exurbs and she won’t be able to compensate those heavy losses in the Atlanta metro, as for Cornyn, he is probaly relatively safe no matter who democrats nominate. The idea that MT and AK will be competitive is just ridiculous even in the case of a democratic landslide.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 17, 2019, 11:14:43 AM
More on Richard Vague here:

http://www.philly.com/news/democrats-president-richard-vague-philadelphia-investor-joe-biden-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-20190117.html

He has a book coming out in the summer, and says that's also his timeframe for deciding whether to run.  Also:

Quote
Vague knew Biden as his senator while living in Delaware. Biden’s entering the race “would be impactful” on whether Vague became a candidate, he said. No other potential Democratic candidate has that kind of sway over Vague’s thinking.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Deleted User #4049 on January 17, 2019, 11:58:10 AM
More on Richard Vague here:

http://www.philly.com/news/democrats-president-richard-vague-philadelphia-investor-joe-biden-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-20190117.html

He has a book coming out in the summer, and says that's also his timeframe for deciding whether to run.  Also:

Quote
Vague knew Biden as his senator while living in Delaware. Biden’s entering the race “would be impactful” on whether Vague became a candidate, he said. No other potential Democratic candidate has that kind of sway over Vague’s thinking.

Who?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on January 17, 2019, 12:25:06 PM


Having worked with Liz before this is an amazing hire.
How are anyone remotely related to the Clinton clusterf**k even remotely hirable?

Yeah, you'd think the Hillary staffers would be pariahs after their  up in 2016. It's one thing to lose a race, but Hillary was supposed to win in a landslide and due in large part to her campaign's laziness and mismanagement they didn't.

If Biden hasn't started staffing up yet, he's going to struggle to get top talent. I am not sure there are enough top talent staffers for all the candidates running and the longer you wait the more likely you end up with Robby Mook as your Campaign Manager.

And Brown is just an absolute no. We need that Senate seat and he doesn't bring enough to the table to make giving that up worth it especially with his domestic abuse issues in the past.

I mean, Brown is one of the party's strongest possible candidates. The Democrats are NOT winning the Senate back in 2020 anyway, so who cares if it's 52-48 R or 53-47 R? You're stll in the minority. So I really do not get why you're all rejecting Brown over that. Frankly if I were him I'd be tempted to resign the Senate seat just so you'll all stop holding it against him.

They absolutely can. They arent the current favorites, but the GOP isnt in overwhelming favor to hold the chamber. It just takes a net of 3, along with the presidency:
Gain CO
Gain ME
Gain AZ
Gain either NC/IA
Lose AL

^
Very doable

That will only happen if 2020 is a landslide imo. CO and AZ are definitely doable (I'd be very surprised if CO doesn't flip), NC isn't impossible but I think Trump will be having a very bad night if he loses NC, and I don't see Tillis losing if Trump doesn't lose NC, and then ME I think is likely R, I think Collins only loses if 2020 is a mega landslide.

This isnt the landslide map, this is just a good D win map(preferably around D+3-4).

-CO and AL should be obvious flips.
-AZ is very doable, considering how terribly unpopular McSally is to start off.
-You would be very correct on Tillis.....if he werent one of the most unpopular senators in the United States. The Ds could very much mount a strong challenge against him and depose him, just as they did for the similarly unpopular Governor in 2016, even while Trump won the state.
-Similar case in ME. It would only be likely R if Collins was insanely popular like she was in the past. She isnt. Her latest approval has her at an even score(starting off the campaign season, thats pretty bad, especially since approvals are more likely to go down as the campaign starts, not up), and thats simply not enough to win ME.

A D landslide would include more seats flipped, such as GA, MT, and possibly even AK and TX. That would be a landslide.

Democrats are clearly the underdog for the 2020 senatorial election (the same way republicans are the underdog in the fight for the house), NC is six to seven points more republican than the rest of the country, so Lechasseur is right, it would require a democratic landslide in order to win it at the presidential level, concerning Tillis, he is not more unpopular than Burr at that time in 2015, so it’s doubtful that he loses while Trump wins the state, besides as we saw in 2014, he is a though campaigner, as for Collins, you should note that her approval numbers are still positive in a PPP poll which speaks for itself, if PPP has Collins at +2, her numbers are probably close to something like +15, she can be defeated but it won’t be easy for democrats.

GA and TX  will be close to impossible to win for democrats, democrats failed to win even one statewide race in both states in 2018 despite the fact this midterm election was the most favorable to them since 1974, Abrams is a basically a communist and she will get destroyed again in rural areas and exurbs and she won’t be able to compensate those heavy losses in the Atlanta metro, as for Cornyn, he is probaly relatively safe no matter who democrats nominate. The idea that MT and AK will be competitive is just ridiculous even in the case of a democratic landslide.

There are so many leaps in logic and failures to understand how elections work that I could spend an our dissecting them in this thread. But this is for 2020 tea leaves. Ill make a thread about this in the Congressional tab though.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RaphaelDLG on January 17, 2019, 12:31:06 PM
Even if
1) Brown is a great candidate
and
2) The Democrats won't win the Senate in 2020 anyways,

Senatorial power is something that is painstakingly built over multiple election cycles, not something that is won in one election, and so every seat counts - his seat could be the difference between taking or not taking the Senate in 2022.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: The Mikado on January 17, 2019, 03:01:35 PM
Saying GA-Sen is "nearly impossible" for Dems is absurd. David Perdue is a first term Senator and is effectively "generic Republican" and has done little of note in his time in office, and Georgia will be an intensely close state.

TX-Sen is closer to "nearly impossible" just because Cornyn will likely significantly outperform Trump there, but Cornyn is undoubtedly going to have the closest race of his career no matter what.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ViaActiva on January 17, 2019, 04:16:52 PM
I like how so many people here are opposed to Brown seeking the Presidency instead of keeping his seat in Ohio, but no-one is complaining about the idea of the Democrats' best candidate in Texas running for President and not the Senate. Not inconsistent at all...


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on January 17, 2019, 04:28:07 PM
I like how so many people here are opposed to Brown seeking the Presidency instead of keeping his seat in Ohio, but no-one is complaining about the idea of the Democrats' best candidate in Texas running for President and not the Senate. Not inconsistent at all...


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: President Johnson on January 17, 2019, 04:31:29 PM
Interesting points by Chris Cillizza on Sherrod Brown as dark horse nominee:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg8tyTH2tIQ


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Comrade Funk on January 17, 2019, 04:33:27 PM
I like how so many people here are opposed to Brown seeking the Presidency instead of keeping his seat in Ohio, but no-one is complaining about the idea of the Democrats' best candidate in Texas running for President and not the Senate. Not inconsistent at all...
One's a senator and one's a hypothetical. How you can't differentiate that idk.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ViaActiva on January 17, 2019, 04:48:48 PM
I like how so many people here are opposed to Brown seeking the Presidency instead of keeping his seat in Ohio, but no-one is complaining about the idea of the Democrats' best candidate in Texas running for President and not the Senate. Not inconsistent at all...
One's a senator and one's a hypothetical. How you can't differentiate that idk.

But surely if Beto O'Rourke is so great 'the next Obama' he should be the Democrats' best chance of taking a Democrat trending state in 2020? Not just a 'hypothetical'?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Karpatsky on January 17, 2019, 04:49:43 PM
I like how so many people here are opposed to Brown seeking the Presidency instead of keeping his seat in Ohio, but no-one is complaining about the idea of the Democrats' best candidate in Texas running for President and not the Senate. Not inconsistent at all...


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 17, 2019, 05:02:54 PM



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 17, 2019, 05:15:05 PM
More on Richard Vague here:

http://www.philly.com/news/democrats-president-richard-vague-philadelphia-investor-joe-biden-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-20190117.html

He has a book coming out in the summer, and says that's also his timeframe for deciding whether to run.  Also:

Quote
Vague knew Biden as his senator while living in Delaware. Biden’s entering the race “would be impactful” on whether Vague became a candidate, he said. No other potential Democratic candidate has that kind of sway over Vague’s thinking.

Who?

This guy:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=303677.msg6619381#msg6619381


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Frenchrepublican on January 17, 2019, 05:35:31 PM


Having worked with Liz before this is an amazing hire.
How are anyone remotely related to the Clinton clusterf**k even remotely hirable?

Yeah, you'd think the Hillary staffers would be pariahs after their  up in 2016. It's one thing to lose a race, but Hillary was supposed to win in a landslide and due in large part to her campaign's laziness and mismanagement they didn't.

If Biden hasn't started staffing up yet, he's going to struggle to get top talent. I am not sure there are enough top talent staffers for all the candidates running and the longer you wait the more likely you end up with Robby Mook as your Campaign Manager.

And Brown is just an absolute no. We need that Senate seat and he doesn't bring enough to the table to make giving that up worth it especially with his domestic abuse issues in the past.

I mean, Brown is one of the party's strongest possible candidates. The Democrats are NOT winning the Senate back in 2020 anyway, so who cares if it's 52-48 R or 53-47 R? You're stll in the minority. So I really do not get why you're all rejecting Brown over that. Frankly if I were him I'd be tempted to resign the Senate seat just so you'll all stop holding it against him.

They absolutely can. They arent the current favorites, but the GOP isnt in overwhelming favor to hold the chamber. It just takes a net of 3, along with the presidency:
Gain CO
Gain ME
Gain AZ
Gain either NC/IA
Lose AL

^
Very doable

That will only happen if 2020 is a landslide imo. CO and AZ are definitely doable (I'd be very surprised if CO doesn't flip), NC isn't impossible but I think Trump will be having a very bad night if he loses NC, and I don't see Tillis losing if Trump doesn't lose NC, and then ME I think is likely R, I think Collins only loses if 2020 is a mega landslide.

This isnt the landslide map, this is just a good D win map(preferably around D+3-4).

-CO and AL should be obvious flips.
-AZ is very doable, considering how terribly unpopular McSally is to start off.
-You would be very correct on Tillis.....if he werent one of the most unpopular senators in the United States. The Ds could very much mount a strong challenge against him and depose him, just as they did for the similarly unpopular Governor in 2016, even while Trump won the state.
-Similar case in ME. It would only be likely R if Collins was insanely popular like she was in the past. She isnt. Her latest approval has her at an even score(starting off the campaign season, thats pretty bad, especially since approvals are more likely to go down as the campaign starts, not up), and thats simply not enough to win ME.

A D landslide would include more seats flipped, such as GA, MT, and possibly even AK and TX. That would be a landslide.

Democrats are clearly the underdog for the 2020 senatorial election (the same way republicans are the underdog in the fight for the house), NC is six to seven points more republican than the rest of the country, so Lechasseur is right, it would require a democratic landslide in order to win it at the presidential level, concerning Tillis, he is not more unpopular than Burr at that time in 2015, so it’s doubtful that he loses while Trump wins the state, besides as we saw in 2014, he is a though campaigner, as for Collins, you should note that her approval numbers are still positive in a PPP poll which speaks for itself, if PPP has Collins at +2, her numbers are probably close to something like +15, she can be defeated but it won’t be easy for democrats.

GA and TX  will be close to impossible to win for democrats, democrats failed to win even one statewide race in both states in 2018 despite the fact this midterm election was the most favorable to them since 1974, Abrams is a basically a communist and she will get destroyed again in rural areas and exurbs and she won’t be able to compensate those heavy losses in the Atlanta metro, as for Cornyn, he is probaly relatively safe no matter who democrats nominate. The idea that MT and AK will be competitive is just ridiculous even in the case of a democratic landslide.

There are so many leaps in logic and failures to understand how elections work that I could spend an our dissecting them in this thread. But this is for 2020 tea leaves. Ill make a thread about this in the Congressional tab though.
But Atlas told me Frenchrepublican was a good and thoughtful poster and totally not a moron begging for attention.

Have I said something which is factually wrong ? Now if you want to believe that Abrams will defeat Perdue after losing to Kemp despite a democratic wave, that’s your own problem
I don’t even understand why I’m spending time in order to respond!!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: beaver2.0 on January 17, 2019, 06:08:08 PM
More on Richard Vague here:

http://www.philly.com/news/democrats-president-richard-vague-philadelphia-investor-joe-biden-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-20190117.html

He has a book coming out in the summer, and says that's also his timeframe for deciding whether to run.  Also:

Quote
Vague knew Biden as his senator while living in Delaware. Biden’s entering the race “would be impactful” on whether Vague became a candidate, he said. No other potential Democratic candidate has that kind of sway over Vague’s thinking.

Who?

This guy:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=303677.msg6619381#msg6619381

I don't get it.  People like Seth Moulton might be unknown outside their district (and this site), but he does have that base of support which may or may not vote for him.  Richard Vague doesn't even have that.  He doesn't even have a wikipedia page.  Even Mark Everson had one before his run, and we all remember how that went.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RaphaelDLG on January 17, 2019, 06:26:31 PM
I like how so many people here are opposed to Brown seeking the Presidency instead of keeping his seat in Ohio, but no-one is complaining about the idea of the Democrats' best candidate in Texas running for President and not the Senate. Not inconsistent at all...

Because people on here are politico-reading morons

I'd much, much rather prefer Beto to run for. Senate in 2020


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lognog on January 17, 2019, 06:37:08 PM
I like how so many people here are opposed to Brown seeking the Presidency instead of keeping his seat in Ohio, but no-one is complaining about the idea of the Democrats' best candidate in Texas running for President and not the Senate. Not inconsistent at all...

Because people on here are politico-reading morons

I'd much, much rather prefer Beto to run for. Senate in 2020

it's a legitimate concern that Brown is the only one that can keep that seat when he is the only person to win state wide in Ohio in 2018 and the only democrat to win statewide since 2012. But Texas is completely different from Ohio because instead of moving away from the democrats, it is moving towards so there is more room for other democrats to run against cornyn.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Askew on January 17, 2019, 07:30:28 PM
I like how so many people here are opposed to Brown seeking the Presidency instead of keeping his seat in Ohio, but no-one is complaining about the idea of the Democrats' best candidate in Texas running for President and not the Senate. Not inconsistent at all...

Seriously? This is stupid. The Dems hold Brown's seat. If he runs in 2020 and wins, we are down 1 Senate seat. If Beto runs and wins the presidency, it has 0 impact on the Senate makeup. We don't hold that seat.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on January 17, 2019, 07:35:26 PM
It'll be hard to support Brown in a primary until he stops being to Gillibrand's right on an issue as fundamental as healthcare.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 17, 2019, 11:58:52 PM
McAuliffe's been using his PAC to donate $ to Dems in Iowa and New Hampshire:

http://www.therepublic.com/2019/01/17/us-election-2020-mcauliffe/

Quote
McAuliffe’s PAC raised more than $300,000 in the second half of 2018 after not raising any money in first six months out of office. The PAC’s spending in recent months has included money for staff, travel and donations to the Democratic parties in Iowa and New Hampshire — both early voting states in presidential primaries.

Using the PAC to explore a presidential run would be illegal under federal law, but McAuliffe spokeswoman Crystal Carson said the PAC, which is named “Common Good,” wasn’t used for those purposes.

“Funds from Common Good were used to support governor candidates and state parties across the country who share Governor McAuliffe’s values,” Carson said, adding that the PAC is closing.

Iowa and New Hampshire were the only state parties that received donations, though the PAC helped pay for McAuliffe to travel to several other states to promote Democratic candidates. The PAC also gave donations to a handful of gubernatorial candidates. The bulk of the money was spent on salaries for staffers and travel costs.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on January 18, 2019, 12:49:16 AM
I like how so many people here are opposed to Brown seeking the Presidency instead of keeping his seat in Ohio, but no-one is complaining about the idea of the Democrats' best candidate in Texas running for President and not the Senate. Not inconsistent at all...
One's a senator and one's a hypothetical. How you can't differentiate that idk.

But surely if Beto O'Rourke is so great 'the next Obama' he should be the Democrats' best chance of taking a Democrat trending state in 2020? Not just a 'hypothetical'?
Texas is a Likely R state. You’re reaching. Sherrod Brown giving up a seat is f-cking stupid. Beto is not going to win the Senate seat in a year with more Republicans turning out and a less polarizing opponent.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 18, 2019, 09:47:31 AM
Casey says he won't run:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/425991-bob-casey-says-he-will-not-run-for-president-in-2020

Quote
Sen. Bob Casey (D-Pa.) on Friday announced that he will not mount a bid for the White House in 2020.

In a statement, Casey accused President Trump of undermining key institutions in the U.S., casting a Democratic win in 2020 as crucial to protecting the country against an “erratic” president.

“With all of these challenges confronting us and with our Commonwealth playing a potentially decisive role in the 2020 vote, I believed it was important for me to at least consider the monumental undertaking of running for President,” Casey said in a statement.

“After two months of considering it, I have concluded that the best way for me to fight for the America that so many of us believe in is to stay in the U.S. Senate and not run for the presidency in 2020.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 18, 2019, 11:10:07 AM
Republican news roundup….

Hogan headed to Iowa in March:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/18/larry-hogan-donald-trump-2020-election-1110535

Quote
Republican Gov. Larry Hogan is acting a lot like a guy who wants to run against Donald Trump in 2020 — and the president's reelection team is taking notice.

The second-term Maryland governor has been implicitly going after Trump in speeches, meeting with Never Trump Republicans, and planning a March trip to Iowa as vice chair of the National Governors Association.
.
.
.
Hogan used his inaugural address on Wednesday to repudiate the “debilitating politics” of Washington — and to raise the specter of impeachment. He recalled how his father, former Rep. Lawrence Hogan, was the first Republican congressman to support the removal of Richard Nixon.

The governor didn’t utter Trump’s name, but the implication was clear.
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.
.
Last week, he hosted a handful of Niskanen Center officials for lunch ahead of his swearing-in. The discussion focused largely on policy matters, but Hogan, who’ll be termed out of office in 2022, was asked about his interest in launching a presidential bid. He did not rule out the possibility, one person familiar with the gathering said.

Also of note on Hogan: he invited Bill Kristol to his inauguration.  Kristol, as noted here before, has a Super PAC that’s raising $ to support whoever ends up primarying Trump.

Corker on a 2020 presidential run: “It’s a possitibility”, but not at the front of his mind:

https://www.nashvillepublicradio.org/post/tri-star-state-corker-blames-trump-shutdown#stream/0

Quote
Q: You've said you are considering your next step and that part of that consideration is running for president, which will likely mean challenging Trump. What would stop you from being a Republican contender in 2020?

Corker: Well, there are a lot of things. First of all, you gotta really want to be president.

It's something to consider and certainly I've got the background and knowledge levels, and hopefully intelligence and judgement and all of those kind of things to be good at it, if I was elected. But, again, it's not necessarily even on the front burner; it's a possibility. There are many other things that I'm going to be thinking about over the next period of time. 

Finally, Kasich will be on Real Time tonight:

https://twitter.com/RealTimers/status/1085332775798882304


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 18, 2019, 01:05:11 PM
As noted here before, Buttigieg's book comes out on Feb. 12th, and the most recent reporting suggested he might not launch an exploratory committee until his book tour was over.  But in this interview, he suggests he might end up acting earlier than that, possibly this month:

https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/politics/police-tapes-pence-immigration-raid-rumor-what-we-learned-from/article_3d871e0c-1dfe-5339-8f18-eea5a90a4560.html

Quote
Mayor Pete Buttigieg is soon releasing the type of book that presidential candidates write, but he still won’t say whether he’ll run. He says he could announce his plans within the next two weeks.

“For anybody who isn’t already very famous, you really don’t have long, past the end of this month, to make some kind of move,” Buttigieg said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on January 18, 2019, 01:25:29 PM
As noted here before, Buttigieg's book comes out on Feb. 12th, and the most recent reporting suggested he might not launch an exploratory committee until his book tour was over.  But in this interview, he suggests he might end up acting earlier than that, possibly this month:

https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/politics/police-tapes-pence-immigration-raid-rumor-what-we-learned-from/article_3d871e0c-1dfe-5339-8f18-eea5a90a4560.html

Quote
Mayor Pete Buttigieg is soon releasing the type of book that presidential candidates write, but he still won’t say whether he’ll run. He says he could announce his plans within the next two weeks.

“For anybody who isn’t already very famous, you really don’t have long, past the end of this month, to make some kind of move,” Buttigieg said.


This Buttigieg thing is so weird, what makes him more notable than the hundred other small town Mayors out there? Why does he get more attention than say Levar Stoney or Muriel Bowser?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Roll Roons on January 18, 2019, 01:28:37 PM
As noted here before, Buttigieg's book comes out on Feb. 12th, and the most recent reporting suggested he might not launch an exploratory committee until his book tour was over.  But in this interview, he suggests he might end up acting earlier than that, possibly this month:

https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/politics/police-tapes-pence-immigration-raid-rumor-what-we-learned-from/article_3d871e0c-1dfe-5339-8f18-eea5a90a4560.html

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Mayor Pete Buttigieg is soon releasing the type of book that presidential candidates write, but he still won’t say whether he’ll run. He says he could announce his plans within the next two weeks.

“For anybody who isn’t already very famous, you really don’t have long, past the end of this month, to make some kind of move,” Buttigieg said.


This Buttigieg thing is so weird, what makes him more notable than the hundred other small town Mayors out there? Why does he get more attention than say Levar Stoney or Muriel Bowser?

He's young, gay and an Afghanistan veteran.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 18, 2019, 01:31:34 PM
As noted here before, Buttigieg's book comes out on Feb. 12th, and the most recent reporting suggested he might not launch an exploratory committee until his book tour was over.  But in this interview, he suggests he might end up acting earlier than that, possibly this month:

https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/politics/police-tapes-pence-immigration-raid-rumor-what-we-learned-from/article_3d871e0c-1dfe-5339-8f18-eea5a90a4560.html

Quote
Mayor Pete Buttigieg is soon releasing the type of book that presidential candidates write, but he still won’t say whether he’ll run. He says he could announce his plans within the next two weeks.

“For anybody who isn’t already very famous, you really don’t have long, past the end of this month, to make some kind of move,” Buttigieg said.


This Buttigieg thing is so weird, what makes him more notable than the hundred other small town Mayors out there? Why does he get more attention than say Levar Stoney or Muriel Bowser?

He's running for president*, and they're not.  If these other mayors suggested that they might run for president, the media would cover them too.

* Not officially running for president yet, but he's been dropping hints for a long time now.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on January 18, 2019, 01:58:58 PM
It'll be hard to support Brown in a primary until he stops being to Gillibrand's right on an issue as fundamental as healthcare.

In a statement, Brown, D-Ohio, said he has “always been supportive of Medicare for all.” But he said “right now, I’m focused on building bipartisan support for my bill to allow people to buy into the Medicare program at age 55, which will cut costs and expand choices for Ohioans.”

https://www.dispatch.com/news/20170911/brown-will-not-co-sponsor-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill
 (https://www.dispatch.com/news/20170911/brown-will-not-co-sponsor-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill)
Also keep in mind Medicare for All wasn't invented in 2017 by Bernie Sanders (that was the only Congress I could find when he cosponsored it, but regardless)

https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/house-bill/676/cosponsors (https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/house-bill/676/cosponsors)

I'm way more concerned about Brown on weed  (https://www.cannabisvoter.info/state-news/ohio/) and cap and trade (https://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2012/nov/01/josh-mandel/mandel-campaign-labels-sherrod-brown-obama-ru/).


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lechasseur on January 18, 2019, 02:30:20 PM
Casey says he won't run:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/425991-bob-casey-says-he-will-not-run-for-president-in-2020

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Sen. Bob Casey (D-Pa.) on Friday announced that he will not mount a bid for the White House in 2020.

In a statement, Casey accused President Trump of undermining key institutions in the U.S., casting a Democratic win in 2020 as crucial to protecting the country against an “erratic” president.

“With all of these challenges confronting us and with our Commonwealth playing a potentially decisive role in the 2020 vote, I believed it was important for me to at least consider the monumental undertaking of running for President,” Casey said in a statement.

“After two months of considering it, I have concluded that the best way for me to fight for the America that so many of us believe in is to stay in the U.S. Senate and not run for the presidency in 2020.”


I'd assume he's not running because he figured he could not win the primary, he's just not saying that explicitly. Tbh I've never heard anyone talk about him running seriously. But with the field as open as it is, he might have had a shot.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 18, 2019, 02:44:14 PM
New 2020 news roundup here, including Harris settling on Baltimore for her campaign HQ, and more suggestions that Bullock won't enter the race until May (the Montana legislative session in 2019 ends on May 1st):

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/01/kamala-harris-zeroes-in-on-baltimore-for-2020-headquarters.html

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With her expected campaign launch nearing, Kamala Harris has settled on Baltimore for her team’s HQ, after also considering Atlanta and (briefly) Philadelphia, according to multiple Democrats familiar with the decision. A West Coast campaign base was never really in play for the California senator. Logistics, logistics, logistics.
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While most of the 2020 crowd is rushing to kickoff, at least one likely hopeful is taking it slow, deliberately: Montana governor Steve Bullock, who’s spent plenty of time in Iowa and New Hampshire — and meeting donors and potential supporters in Washington and New York — in recent months, will likely stick to Helena rather than Des Moines until at least the spring. Why? He still has a day job. He’s made clear to allies that he’s unlikely to launch his probable bid until his state’s legislative session is through.

Meanwhile, even further West, a different kind of slowdown. For months, it looked like Los Angeles mayor Eric Garcetti was just about a sure thing to run — and soon — between his early-state visits, his political hiring, and his investments in the Democratic infrastructures of politically useful states. But over the last few weeks, that seems to have decelerated a bit, according to some close allies. Things aren’t exactly easy these days for the sitting mayor of the country’s second-largest city. Not only is a massive teachers’ strike roiling L.A., local reports now have the FBI looking into records of people in and around City Hall as part of a corruption investigation. Let’s be clear: Garcetti hasn’t been directly implicated, and he’s still considering a run. But wired-in early-state operatives who used to hear from him and his team tell me that’s dried up recently, just as other candidates’ outreach has been intensifying.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Terry the Fat Shark on January 18, 2019, 07:09:17 PM
 Howard Schultz exploring running for President as an Independent (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/advisers-to-former-starbucks-ceo-howard-schultz-are-looking-at-him-running-as-an-independent-for-president-in-2020/2019/01/18/3e32aa72-1b5d-11e9-8813-cb9dec761e73_story.html?utm_term=.8c3494fcae86[url=http://Howard Schultz exploring running for President as an Independent)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Big Abraham on January 18, 2019, 07:12:17 PM
Howard Schultz exploring running for President as an Independent (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/advisers-to-former-starbucks-ceo-howard-schultz-are-looking-at-him-running-as-an-independent-for-president-in-2020/2019/01/18/3e32aa72-1b5d-11e9-8813-cb9dec761e73_story.html?utm_term=.8c3494fcae86[url=http://Howard Schultz exploring running for President as an Independent)

Lmao


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Cold War Liberal on January 19, 2019, 12:02:54 AM
Brown shouldn't run. Bullock and Hickenlooper (along with Abrams and either Anthony Foxx or Jeff Jackson) need to run for Senate. They have 0 chance in the presidential election. It looks like Beto has a real chance at the presidency, but if his poll numbers drop he should run against Cornyn. We need good Senators, and people who abandon a good chance at being Senator (and flipping the chamber to the Democrats) for an infinitesimal chance at being President need a reality check.

Oh and I'd love it if Hogan primaries Trump. He's got nothing to lose in doing so.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on January 19, 2019, 04:36:42 AM
Oh and I'd love it if Hogan primaries Trump. He's got nothing to lose in doing so.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: American2020 on January 19, 2019, 05:58:40 AM
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Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) has selected Baltimore as the base for a potential 2020 presidential campaign, according to the Baltimore Sun.

Baltimore, though a long way from Harris’s home state, comes with some advantages for the potential candidate. The city is close to the senator’s office in Washington and has a diverse population.

Harris has yet to announce whether she will seek the Democratic nomination in 2020, though she is widely expected to make a decision soon.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/426104-kamala-harris-picks-baltimore-as-headquarters-for-potential-2020-campaign (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/426104-kamala-harris-picks-baltimore-as-headquarters-for-potential-2020-campaign)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on January 19, 2019, 06:40:08 AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-18/kamala-harris-s-early-no-on-wall-may-give-her-an-edge-in-2020

Bloomberg's piece about Kamala. That's why she has to be the first female president. She is credible and honest.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on January 19, 2019, 10:55:09 AM
Wikipedia says Harris is supposed to announce today, any truth to this?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 19, 2019, 11:30:42 AM
Wikipedia says Harris is supposed to announce today, any truth to this?

They're just talking about how anonymous sources in her proto-campaign have said that she'll announce on MLK Day weekend or shortly thereafter.  Today is the first day of MLK Day weekend, so it could happen today, I guess, but who knows.  Neither she nor people around her have confirmed anything on the record.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: beaver2.0 on January 19, 2019, 11:58:16 AM
Howard Schultz exploring running for President as an Independent (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/advisers-to-former-starbucks-ceo-howard-schultz-are-looking-at-him-running-as-an-independent-for-president-in-2020/2019/01/18/3e32aa72-1b5d-11e9-8813-cb9dec761e73_story.html?utm_term=.8c3494fcae86[url=http://Howard Schultz exploring running for President as an Independent)
Why would he do this.  We could use a new Ross Perot: but that person is not Howard Schultz.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 19, 2019, 12:19:44 PM
Swalwell's about to do a two week tour of all four early primary states:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/diaz/article/The-2020-Democratic-primaries-Does-Rep-Eric-13545888.php

He also says that he'll decide on whether to run for prez "by early spring, at the latest".

However, interestingly, it sounds like he's already giving his likely campaign a December 2019 deadline to make some headway in the polls, or else he'll drop out of the race and run for reelection for his House seat instead:

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California’s rules would allow Swalwell to run concurrently for his House seat and the presidency. But he insists he will not. Assuming he announces for president — as is likely — he would decide by December, before the Iowa caucuses, whether he is in the race too stay.

“I think it’s important for your constituents that they know what you’re doing ... and to be clear that you’re not hedging or trying to audition for something else,” he said. “People see through that. I wouldn’t do that.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 19, 2019, 09:42:43 PM
Harris *might* launch her campaign (or exploratory committee) at a rally in Oakland on Monday:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/426163-bernie-sanders-to-visit-south-carolina-amid-2020-speculation

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Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), who has also not made an official announcement on running, will reportedly be speaking in Oakland, Calif., on Monday. It was also reported that she would announce her candidacy at that event.

A spokesperson for Harris did not immediately respond to The Hill’s request for information about the senator's plans for the weekend.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on January 19, 2019, 11:42:23 PM
It'll be hard to support Brown in a primary until he stops being to Gillibrand's right on an issue as fundamental as healthcare.

In a statement, Brown, D-Ohio, said he has “always been supportive of Medicare for all.” But he said “right now, I’m focused on building bipartisan support for my bill to allow people to buy into the Medicare program at age 55, which will cut costs and expand choices for Ohioans.
That isn't good enough. Not even close.

He's ceding ground on a popular policy position to the GOP already, for no reason. I imagine by the time he gets into office, he'll be promoting "Medicare for All, over 65."

How is it that someone can become a United States Senator, and not know how to negotiate? What the hell does he lose in a campaign for calling for Medicare for All right now? Even the neolib candidates support it!

The kid I graduated with who's running a GoFundMe for both of his cancer-stricken parents can't wait for a goddamn "bipartisan solution." He needs action, now. He needs someone on his side now. Apparently, Sherrod isn't.

I will not be supporting a candidate who does not explicitly support Medicare for All during their campaign. A shame to add Sherrod Brown to that list.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: YE on January 20, 2019, 12:05:21 AM
It'll be hard to support Brown in a primary until he stops being to Gillibrand's right on an issue as fundamental as healthcare.

In a statement, Brown, D-Ohio, said he has “always been supportive of Medicare for all.” But he said “right now, I’m focused on building bipartisan support for my bill to allow people to buy into the Medicare program at age 55, which will cut costs and expand choices for Ohioans.
That isn't good enough. Not even close.

He's ceding ground on a popular policy position to the GOP already, for no reason. I imagine by the time he gets into office, he'll be promoting "Medicare for All, over 65."

How is it that someone can become a United States Senator, and not know how to negotiate? What the hell does he lose in a campaign for calling for Medicare for All right now? Even the neolib candidates support it!

The kid I graduated with who's running a GoFundMe for both of his cancer-stricken parents can't wait for a goddamn "bipartisan solution." He needs action, now. He needs someone on his side now. Apparently, Sherrod isn't.

I will not be supporting a candidate who does not explicitly support Medicare for All during their campaign. A shame to add Sherrod Brown to that list.

As I've pointed out on AAD, Sherrod Brown voted for a pro-single payer amendment before it was cool (https://www.commondreams.org/views/2009/07/15/four-voices-senate-healthcare-justice) so he does have a good record on the issue. I'd wait for the single payer bill to be introduced in the Senate and  Brown not to explicitly support that before I'd panic, and honestly, I trust Sherrod Brown on the issue of healthcare more than Kamala Harris aside from blindly supported HR 676 has no record on the issue of healthcare or Cory Booker who did the same thing as Harris but not after his infamous prescription drug vote.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on January 20, 2019, 02:46:35 AM
It'll be hard to support Brown in a primary until he stops being to Gillibrand's right on an issue as fundamental as healthcare.

In a statement, Brown, D-Ohio, said he has “always been supportive of Medicare for all.” But he said “right now, I’m focused on building bipartisan support for my bill to allow people to buy into the Medicare program at age 55, which will cut costs and expand choices for Ohioans.
That isn't good enough. Not even close.

He's ceding ground on a popular policy position to the GOP already, for no reason. I imagine by the time he gets into office, he'll be promoting "Medicare for All, over 65."

How is it that someone can become a United States Senator, and not know how to negotiate? What the hell does he lose in a campaign for calling for Medicare for All right now? Even the neolib candidates support it!

The kid I graduated with who's running a GoFundMe for both of his cancer-stricken parents can't wait for a goddamn "bipartisan solution." He needs action, now. He needs someone on his side now. Apparently, Sherrod isn't.

I will not be supporting a candidate who does not explicitly support Medicare for All during their campaign. A shame to add Sherrod Brown to that list.

He's "ceding" the position because M4A has no chance of making it to the current senate floor, unlike a Medicare eligibility expansion bill. You seem to think that Brown is implying that we don't need M4A, and that he would settle for just a Medicare eligibility expansion, when that is clearly not what he is saying.

And he doesn't need to "call" for Medicare for all, due to him already supporting it, and even saying he supports it in the quote in my last post. Seeing how he has a better M4A record then most prospective candidates, I think it's safe to say he'll be an "explicit" supporter of M4A during the campiagn.

It's good to be living up to my username again.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Woody on January 20, 2019, 05:08:00 AM
Harris *might* launch her campaign (or exploratory committee) at a rally in Oakland on Monday:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/426163-bernie-sanders-to-visit-south-carolina-amid-2020-speculation

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Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), who has also not made an official announcement on running, will reportedly be speaking in Oakland, Calif., on Monday. It was also reported that she would announce her candidacy at that event.

A spokesperson for Harris did not immediately respond to The Hill’s request for information about the senator's plans for the weekend.

She is definitely running. It's beyond obvious at this point.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lechasseur on January 20, 2019, 07:14:17 AM
It'll be hard to support Brown in a primary until he stops being to Gillibrand's right on an issue as fundamental as healthcare.

In a statement, Brown, D-Ohio, said he has “always been supportive of Medicare for all.” But he said “right now, I’m focused on building bipartisan support for my bill to allow people to buy into the Medicare program at age 55, which will cut costs and expand choices for Ohioans.
That isn't good enough. Not even close.

He's ceding ground on a popular policy position to the GOP already, for no reason. I imagine by the time he gets into office, he'll be promoting "Medicare for All, over 65."

How is it that someone can become a United States Senator, and not know how to negotiate? What the hell does he lose in a campaign for calling for Medicare for All right now? Even the neolib candidates support it!

The kid I graduated with who's running a GoFundMe for both of his cancer-stricken parents can't wait for a goddamn "bipartisan solution." He needs action, now. He needs someone on his side now. Apparently, Sherrod isn't.

I will not be supporting a candidate who does not explicitly support Medicare for All during their campaign. A shame to add Sherrod Brown to that list.

He's "ceding" the position because M4A has no chance of making it to the current senate floor, unlike a Medicare eligibility expansion bill. You seem to think that Brown is implying that we don't need M4A, and that he would settle for just a Medicare eligibility expansion, when that is clearly not what he is saying.

And he doesn't need to "call" for Medicare for all, due to him already supporting it, and even saying he supports it in the quote in my last post. Seeing how he has a better M4A record then most prospective candidates, I think it's safe to say he'll be an "explicit" supporter of M4A during the campiagn.

This


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Karpatsky on January 20, 2019, 11:04:47 AM
It'll be hard to support Brown in a primary until he stops being to Gillibrand's right on an issue as fundamental as healthcare.

In a statement, Brown, D-Ohio, said he has “always been supportive of Medicare for all.” But he said “right now, I’m focused on building bipartisan support for my bill to allow people to buy into the Medicare program at age 55, which will cut costs and expand choices for Ohioans.
That isn't good enough. Not even close.

He's ceding ground on a popular policy position to the GOP already, for no reason. I imagine by the time he gets into office, he'll be promoting "Medicare for All, over 65."

How is it that someone can become a United States Senator, and not know how to negotiate? What the hell does he lose in a campaign for calling for Medicare for All right now? Even the neolib candidates support it!

The kid I graduated with who's running a GoFundMe for both of his cancer-stricken parents can't wait for a goddamn "bipartisan solution." He needs action, now. He needs someone on his side now. Apparently, Sherrod isn't.

I will not be supporting a candidate who does not explicitly support Medicare for All during their campaign. A shame to add Sherrod Brown to that list.

I'm sorry to be blunt, but if that is the case, he will get nothing. Brown is wise enough to focus his message on what is achievable, which is why I respect him a lot more than other progressively-inclined politicians who are content to be firebrands without substance.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on January 20, 2019, 02:54:39 PM
I wouldn't put too much stock in Brown's wisdom if he's actually serious about running for the nomination.  If he were to make it onto the national ticket, Democrats would almost certainly lose his Senate seat permanently, making it immensely harder for Democrats to retake control of the Senate.  That means no M4A or any other progressive legislation gets through for the forseeable future.  If he's serious about advancing progressive goals, he'll stick to the Senate.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Comrade Funk on January 20, 2019, 06:33:16 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: tosk on January 20, 2019, 06:35:49 PM


any extra buzz to make us think this is the moment?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Big Abraham on January 20, 2019, 06:45:01 PM


any extra buzz to make us think this is the moment?

According to the 2020 Democratic primary Wikipedia article she is supposed to announce today


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: History505 on January 20, 2019, 06:53:15 PM


any extra buzz to make us think this is the moment?

According to the 2020 Democratic primary Wikipedia article she is supposed to announce today
It says Jan 21st actually.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Politician on January 20, 2019, 06:59:53 PM

RIP Democrats' hopes in 2020


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Big Abraham on January 20, 2019, 07:10:49 PM


any extra buzz to make us think this is the moment?

According to the 2020 Democratic primary Wikipedia article she is supposed to announce today
It says Jan 21st actually.

My bad, I had confused her with Gabbard. Which doesn't even make sense, because Gabbard has already announced her candidacy


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: OneJ on January 20, 2019, 07:50:39 PM


any extra buzz to make us think this is the moment?

According to the 2020 Democratic primary Wikipedia article she is supposed to announce today
It says Jan 21st actually.

My bad, I had confused her with Gabbard. Which doesn't even make sense, because Gabbard has already announced her candidacy

I assume they meant for Gabbard to "formally" announce her candidacy or whatever.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: #TheShadowyAbyss on January 20, 2019, 08:33:22 PM
Isn't Harris most likely to announce tomorrow?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on January 20, 2019, 08:48:20 PM
Stealing the thunder from Beto and Oprah.

This primary is going to be exciting.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on January 20, 2019, 08:54:26 PM


I will be really annoyed if she announces that she'll an start exploratory committee rather than announce her candidacy


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 21, 2019, 12:29:18 AM
I don't understand why you guys are talking about "what Wikipedia says" re: Harris, as if Wikipedia is an independent news source of some kind.  All Wikipedia does is aggregate what actual sources of news are saying.  To know if you should believe it or not, just go to the references they're citing to see what the actual source of the news is.  In this case, it takes you to this story:

https://kcbsradio.radio.com/blogs/doug-sovern/harris-ready-enter-race-president-sources-say

which says:

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Sen. Kamala Harris has decided to run for president in 2020 and will announce her candidacy on or around Martin Luther King Jr. Day, probably at a campaign rally in Oakland, sources close to the freshman senator from California tell KCBS Radio.

And this isn't new.  That story is from a week and a half ago, and was posted here at the time.  Plus there's this story from yesterday:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=303677.msg6632667#msg6632667

That's what we have to work with, atm.  We don't know anything more than that.

Except....if she's going to be in Times Square for GMA tomorrow, then how is she also going to be in Oakland?  Is she flying across the country tomorrow, and the Oakland event will be held late in the day?  Is there any recent news regarding what the Oakland event actually is, or if it's going to happen?  I haven't seen anything.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: History505 on January 21, 2019, 07:58:10 AM
I don't understand why you guys are talking about "what Wikipedia says" re: Harris, as if Wikipedia is an independent news source of some kind.  All Wikipedia does is aggregate what actual sources of news are saying.  To know if you should believe it or not, just go to the references they're citing to see what the actual source of the news is.  In this case, it takes you to this story:

https://kcbsradio.radio.com/blogs/doug-sovern/harris-ready-enter-race-president-sources-say

which says:

Quote
Sen. Kamala Harris has decided to run for president in 2020 and will announce her candidacy on or around Martin Luther King Jr. Day, probably at a campaign rally in Oakland, sources close to the freshman senator from California tell KCBS Radio.

And this isn't new.  That story is from a week and a half ago, and was posted here at the time.  Plus there's this story from yesterday:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=303677.msg6632667#msg6632667

That's what we have to work with, atm.  We don't know anything more than that.

Except....if she's going to be in Times Square for GMA tomorrow, then how is she also going to be in Oakland?  Is she flying across the country tomorrow, and the Oakland event will be held late in the day?  Is there any recent news regarding what the Oakland event actually is, or if it's going to happen?  I haven't seen anything.

Oakland event happening on Sunday, confirmed now with her announcement.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: CookieDamage on January 21, 2019, 08:12:09 AM
Harris is running and gross lefties are already spreading about her investing in private prisons. Bernie people really do wanna have Trump win a second term huh?

Now i know how bad Beto fans must feel. I know I was VERY suspicious of him but now not so much. I mean Kamala is my first choice but Beto is now my second choice due to how horrible ☭ twitter lied about him.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Deleted User #4049 on January 21, 2019, 09:29:30 AM
Harris is running and gross lefties are already spreading about her investing in private prisons. Bernie people really do wanna have Trump win a second term huh?

Now i know how bad Beto fans must feel. I know I was VERY suspicious of him but now not so much. I mean Kamala is my first choice but Beto is now my second choice due to how horrible ☭ twitter lied about him.
How dare people criticize candidates who did bad things?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Farmlands on January 21, 2019, 10:16:04 AM
Harris is running and gross lefties are already spreading about her investing in private prisons. Bernie people really do wanna have Trump win a second term huh?

Now i know how bad Beto fans must feel. I know I was VERY suspicious of him but now not so much. I mean Kamala is my first choice but Beto is now my second choice due to how horrible ☭ twitter lied about him.

A primary where all candidates are subject to valid scrutiny will end up with a much better contender for the presidency than one where the party has already made up their mind on the person they want, just see the last election. Also, don't pay so much attention to Twitter, that's not where the election will be decided.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 21, 2019, 11:00:05 AM
Bloomberg announcement “within a month”:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/21/michael-bloomberg-2020-election-1116071

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Bloomberg’s top boosters insist he hasn’t made up his mind yet about running. He’ll make an official announcement within a month.

Swalwell in South Carolina: “I am getting close to deciding”:

https://www.goupstate.com/news/20190119/possible-2020-presidential-candidate-eric-swalwell-headlines-spartanburg-democrats-gala

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Swalwell, the keynote speaker at the Spartanburg County Democratic Party’s Blue Carolina Black Tie Gala, said he plans to announce by the spring whether he will seek his party’s nomination. He said that depends on if he can balance a campaign with his family life.

“I am getting close to deciding,” he said in an interview. “I think I could win. Any presidential contender better come through Spartanburg County if they are going to be in the White House. It’s a steep mountain to climb for a Democrat in South Carolina since the state is mostly Republican.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on January 21, 2019, 11:23:34 AM
Harris is running and gross lefties are already spreading about her investing in private prisons. Bernie people really do wanna have Trump win a second term huh?

Now i know how bad Beto fans must feel. I know I was VERY suspicious of him but now not so much. I mean Kamala is my first choice but Beto is now my second choice due to how horrible ☭ twitter lied about him.
How dare people criticize candidates who did bad things?
So much this. No one is safe from criticism, and the whole point of the primary is to air these disputes and to let the voters decide. Stop acting like every revelation will lead to a Trump victory.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 21, 2019, 01:48:59 PM
Landrieu will be a visiting fellow at Harvard this semester, still says that he's "not planning to run":

https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/politics/article_aed361be-1d14-11e9-89aa-631b5dd95254.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on January 21, 2019, 03:52:47 PM
So much this. No one is safe from criticism, and the whole point of the primary is to air these disputes and to let the voters decide. Stop acting like every revelation will lead to a Trump victory.
Everytime someone has a valid criticism about Bernie we are told that that's not what he meant, we didn't see what we saw, we heard it wrong, or we have Bernie Derangement Syndrome....


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on January 21, 2019, 04:03:22 PM
So much this. No one is safe from criticism, and the whole point of the primary is to air these disputes and to let the voters decide. Stop acting like every revelation will lead to a Trump victory.
Everytime someone has a valid criticism about Bernie we are told that that's not what he meant, we didn't see what we saw, we heard it wrong, or we have Bernie Derangement Syndrome....

Oh Please, if one were to actually watch the 2016 primary unfold, one would see that many stances Sanders had, such as on guns, were heavily criticized. Saying he was treated like someone special is pure historical revisionism.

Seriously, no one is safe from criticism, not Sanders, not Harris, not Beto, and not Biden. Thats literally the whole point of holding a primary.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: TarHeelDem on January 21, 2019, 04:37:30 PM
I think the difference between a lot of the Sanders critics and his supporters who criticize literally everyone else is that the former would do the responsible thing and vote for him in the general if it came to that whereas the latter group has proven to be irresponsible, self-righteous, and destructive when not given everything it wants.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on January 21, 2019, 04:39:44 PM
So much this. No one is safe from criticism, and the whole point of the primary is to air these disputes and to let the voters decide. Stop acting like every revelation will lead to a Trump victory.
Everytime someone has a valid criticism about Bernie we are told that that's not what he meant, we didn't see what we saw, we heard it wrong, or we have Bernie Derangement Syndrome....

Oh Please, if one were to actually watch the 2016 primary unfold, one would see that many stances Sanders had, such as on guns, were heavily criticized. Saying he was treated like someone special is pure historical revisionism.

Seriously, no one is safe from criticism, not Sanders, not Harris, not Beto, and not Biden. Thats literally the whole point of holding a primary.
He was treated with kid gloves by the media and Hillary's campaign because his cultists acted like cry babies and perpetuated that the media was in the tank for Hillary (even though she recieved the most negative press of ALL the candidates). I hope Sanders runs so we can finally skewer his problematic record and infeasible plans.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: mgop on January 21, 2019, 04:44:22 PM
So much this. No one is safe from criticism, and the whole point of the primary is to air these disputes and to let the voters decide. Stop acting like every revelation will lead to a Trump victory.
Everytime someone has a valid criticism about Bernie we are told that that's not what he meant, we didn't see what we saw, we heard it wrong, or we have Bernie Derangement Syndrome....

Oh Please, if one were to actually watch the 2016 primary unfold, one would see that many stances Sanders had, such as on guns, were heavily criticized. Saying he was treated like someone special is pure historical revisionism.

Seriously, no one is safe from criticism, not Sanders, not Harris, not Beto, and not Biden. Thats literally the whole point of holding a primary.
He was treated with kid gloves by the media and Hillary's campaign because his cultists acted like cry babies and perpetuated that the media was in the tank for Hillary (even though she recieved the most negative press of ALL the candidates). I hope Sanders runs so we can finally skewer his problematic record and infeasible plans.

lol what? are you ashamed? did you sleep through 2015 and 2016?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on January 21, 2019, 04:49:27 PM
So much this. No one is safe from criticism, and the whole point of the primary is to air these disputes and to let the voters decide. Stop acting like every revelation will lead to a Trump victory.
Everytime someone has a valid criticism about Bernie we are told that that's not what he meant, we didn't see what we saw, we heard it wrong, or we have Bernie Derangement Syndrome....

Oh Please, if one were to actually watch the 2016 primary unfold, one would see that many stances Sanders had, such as on guns, were heavily criticized. Saying he was treated like someone special is pure historical revisionism.

Seriously, no one is safe from criticism, not Sanders, not Harris, not Beto, and not Biden. Thats literally the whole point of holding a primary.
He was treated with kid gloves by the media and Hillary's campaign because his cultists acted like cry babies and perpetuated that the media was in the tank for Hillary (even though she recieved the most negative press of ALL the candidates). I hope Sanders runs so we can finally skewer his problematic record and infeasible plans.

lol what? are you ashamed? did you sleep through 2015 and 2016?
I'm not going to spend too much time arguing FACTS with you. Hillary received the most negative press in 2016. The email servers received wall to wall coverage. Trump's coverage was focused on building the wall and banning Muslims. Coverage focused on his POLICIES and the ratings hungry media gave him billions of dollars of free media because his POLICIES were so controversial. Like him or not, his MESSAGE got plenty of coverage. Hillary's did not.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on January 21, 2019, 04:57:31 PM
So much this. No one is safe from criticism, and the whole point of the primary is to air these disputes and to let the voters decide. Stop acting like every revelation will lead to a Trump victory.
Everytime someone has a valid criticism about Bernie we are told that that's not what he meant, we didn't see what we saw, we heard it wrong, or we have Bernie Derangement Syndrome....

Oh Please, if one were to actually watch the 2016 primary unfold, one would see that many stances Sanders had, such as on guns, were heavily criticized. Saying he was treated like someone special is pure historical revisionism.

Seriously, no one is safe from criticism, not Sanders, not Harris, not Beto, and not Biden. Thats literally the whole point of holding a primary.
He was treated with kid gloves by the media and Hillary's campaign because his cultists acted like cry babies and perpetuated that the media was in the tank for Hillary (even though she recieved the most negative press of ALL the candidates). I hope Sanders runs so we can finally skewer his problematic record and infeasible plans.

This is great historical revisionism. Sanders received negative coverage, and while you can argue(without actual information to back yourself up, I might add) that it was less than Clinton, it was still negative:
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This idea that Sanders wasnt attacked in the 2016 primary is garbage, plain and simple.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on January 21, 2019, 05:00:35 PM
So much this. No one is safe from criticism, and the whole point of the primary is to air these disputes and to let the voters decide. Stop acting like every revelation will lead to a Trump victory.
Everytime someone has a valid criticism about Bernie we are told that that's not what he meant, we didn't see what we saw, we heard it wrong, or we have Bernie Derangement Syndrome....

Oh Please, if one were to actually watch the 2016 primary unfold, one would see that many stances Sanders had, such as on guns, were heavily criticized. Saying he was treated like someone special is pure historical revisionism.

Seriously, no one is safe from criticism, not Sanders, not Harris, not Beto, and not Biden. Thats literally the whole point of holding a primary.
He was treated with kid gloves by the media and Hillary's campaign because his cultists acted like cry babies and perpetuated that the media was in the tank for Hillary (even though she recieved the most negative press of ALL the candidates). I hope Sanders runs so we can finally skewer his problematic record and infeasible plans.

This is great historical revisionism. Sanders received negative coverage, and while you can argue(without actual information to back yourself up, I might add) that it was less than Clinton, it was still negative:
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This idea that Sanders wasnt attacked in the 2016 primary is garbage, plain and simple.
^^^
He was attacked as much as Trump. The Tandeen machine went into overdrive. To say otherwise is simply just not true.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: An American Tail: Fubart Goes West on January 21, 2019, 06:07:28 PM
I think the difference between a lot of the Sanders critics and his supporters who criticize literally everyone else is that the former would do the responsible thing and vote for him in the general if it came to that whereas the latter group has proven to be irresponsible, self-righteous, and destructive when not given everything it wants.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on January 21, 2019, 06:10:45 PM
I think the difference between a lot of the Sanders critics and his supporters who criticize literally everyone else is that the former would do the responsible thing and vote for him in the general if it came to that whereas the latter group has proven to be irresponsible, self-righteous, and destructive when not given everything it wants.

I mean, the "Sanders Supporters who criticize literally everyone" voted for Clinton by a margin of 91-9, much better than the ratio for Clinton voters in 2008(73-27) and Trump(88-12). So the latter group proved that they are willing to do the responsible thing and vote for the Democrat in the general, while the former hasnt proven themselves at all yet.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on January 21, 2019, 06:16:49 PM
I mean, the "Sanders Supporters who criticize literally everyone" voted for Clinton by a margin of 91-9, much better than the ratio for Clinton voters in 2008(73-27) and Trump(88-12). So the latter group proved that they are willing to do the responsible thing and vote for the Democrat in the general, while the former hasnt proven themselves at all yet.
This is very disingenuous. The Clinton 2008 coalition is not the Clinton 2016 coalition.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on January 21, 2019, 06:22:04 PM
I mean, the "Sanders Supporters who criticize literally everyone" voted for Clinton by a margin of 91-9, much better than the ratio for Clinton voters in 2008(73-27) and Trump(88-12). So the latter group proved that they are willing to do the responsible thing and vote for the Democrat in the general, while the former hasnt proven themselves at all yet.
This is very disingenuous. The Clinton 2008 coalition is not the Clinton 2016 coalition.

What are you talking about? Everything I said is true. The Clinton 2016 coalition never had to vote for Sanders, so they havent proven themselves, while the Sanders 2016 coalition did prove themselves, especially when compared to historical defections.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on January 21, 2019, 06:30:44 PM
I mean, the "Sanders Supporters who criticize literally everyone" voted for Clinton by a margin of 91-9, much better than the ratio for Clinton voters in 2008(73-27) and Trump(88-12). So the latter group proved that they are willing to do the responsible thing and vote for the Democrat in the general, while the former hasnt proven themselves at all yet.
This is very disingenuous. The Clinton 2008 coalition is not the Clinton 2016 coalition.

What are you talking about? Everything I said is true. The Clinton 2016 coalition never had to vote for Sanders, so they havent proven themselves, while the Sanders 2016 coalition did prove themselves, especially when compared to historical defections.

All this tea is raising my blood sugar levels.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 21, 2019, 07:04:30 PM
Of note: Justin Amash, who in late 2017 gave a "no comment" on the 2020 question (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=233345.msg5774366#msg5774366), had this to say about who the Libertarian Party should nominate in 2020:

https://reason.com/blog/2019/01/20/justin-amash-the-libertarian-party-shoul

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"Well, I think an ideal third-party candidate, especially a Libertarian Party candidate—that's what I'll talk about—I think the ideal candidate has to be very libertarian, because if you're running in the Libertarian Party, you better be a libertarian," he said. "But it has to be a person who is persuasive to other people, can bring Republicans and Democrats on board, or bring a large part of the electorate on board, because you can't just appeal to diehard libertarians and win the election."

Amash, who declined Mangu-Ward's offer to announce his candidacy on stage, spoke like someone who has nevertheless thought the question through.

"I think that too often the party has made concessions to have more sort of squishy Republican candidates run as the Libertarian Party candidate, and then destroy the Libertarian Party base," he said. "So you have to have the base align with the candidate, but that candidate has to be appealing to people beyond the base."

When informed of Amash's "squishy" comments Saturday night on the same LibertyCon stage, Bill Weld shot his hand up and said "That's me!" I then asked the former Massachusetts governor if he would encourage Amash to run. "Absolutely," he said. "Justin is a hero."

That blog post also notes that Michigan is presumably going to lose a House seat in 2022 redistricting and the 2011 gerrymander is currently in court, meaning that it's unclear what'll happen to Amash's seat.  So his future in the House isn't assured.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on January 21, 2019, 07:37:19 PM
I think the difference between a lot of the Sanders critics and his supporters who criticize literally everyone else is that the former would do the responsible thing and vote for him in the general if it came to that whereas the latter group has proven to be irresponsible, self-righteous, and destructive when not given everything it wants.

That's pretty apt. Back in 2016 I was not a Sanders supporter in the primary but I was 100% willing to vote for him in the general election if I had to. And that remains the same for 2020 even if my preferred candidate loses the nomination. I wish more people kept their priorities straight and put their pride in their back pocket.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on January 21, 2019, 08:06:00 PM
I mean, the "Sanders Supporters who criticize literally everyone" voted for Clinton by a margin of 91-9, much better than the ratio for Clinton voters in 2008(73-27) and Trump(88-12). So the latter group proved that they are willing to do the responsible thing and vote for the Democrat in the general, while the former hasnt proven themselves at all yet.
This is very disingenuous. The Clinton 2008 coalition is not the Clinton 2016 coalition.

What are you talking about? Everything I said is true. The Clinton 2016 coalition never had to vote for Sanders, so they havent proven themselves, while the Sanders 2016 coalition did prove themselves, especially when compared to historical defections.
Even so, you brought up Clinton 2008 knowing good and well a significant portion of her coalition were registered Democrats who abandoned the Dems at the federal level years before. Clinton 2016 was much more diverse and significant numbers of working class brown and black people who ALWAYS coalesce behind the nominee even when they ignore their interests.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on January 21, 2019, 08:15:48 PM
I mean, the "Sanders Supporters who criticize literally everyone" voted for Clinton by a margin of 91-9, much better than the ratio for Clinton voters in 2008(73-27) and Trump(88-12). So the latter group proved that they are willing to do the responsible thing and vote for the Democrat in the general, while the former hasnt proven themselves at all yet.
This is very disingenuous. The Clinton 2008 coalition is not the Clinton 2016 coalition.

What are you talking about? Everything I said is true. The Clinton 2016 coalition never had to vote for Sanders, so they havent proven themselves, while the Sanders 2016 coalition did prove themselves, especially when compared to historical defections.
Even so, you brought up Clinton 2008 knowing good and well a significant portion of her coalition were registered Democrats who abandoned the Dems at the federal level years before. Clinton 2016 was much more diverse and significant numbers of working class brown and black people who ALWAYS coalesce behind the nominee even when they ignore their interests.

You are reading way too deeply into this. It was just a recent example from a Democratic Primary that was competitive. And you cant know if they would go for Sanders because, simply put, it didnt happen, he didnt win the nomination. What we do know is that Sanders' coalition did, in fact, coalesce behind Clinton, a much larger percentage than other recent primaries, and that there is no proof that the same would have happened if the roles were reversed. This isnt opinion or speculation, this is just fact.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RussFeingoldWasRobbed on January 21, 2019, 09:09:01 PM
Throwing poor parents in prison(who's children are likely staying home because they have to take care of their family or some situation like that, it's not "OH I DONT WANT TO GO TO SCHOOL" It's usually more complicated then that) is unacceptable and cruel. That's why I'm supporting her, and no, I'm not delusionally obsessed with hating her the way Peter Daou, Neera Tanden have a deranged hatred of Sanders, so don't even start with your apples to oranges comparison!!!!! I don't support her, because she doesn't share my values! The end!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Holmes on January 21, 2019, 09:52:19 PM
Can we please stay on topic? I keep seeing new posts expecting new news.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Smith on January 21, 2019, 09:58:57 PM
I think the difference between a lot of the Sanders critics and his supporters who criticize literally everyone else is that the former would do the responsible thing and vote for him in the general if it came to that whereas the latter group has proven to be irresponsible, self-righteous, and destructive when not given everything it wants.

Given what happened in Nebraska CD2 [RIP Kara Eastman], it would seem the reverse is more true.

And at least the reluctant supporters are honest about their frustratons, none of this "whose the adult in the room" BS, which the critics love using.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: OneJ on January 21, 2019, 11:26:52 PM
Booker and Sanders went to South Carolina (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/21/cory-booker-bernie-sanders-2020-south-carolina-1116639) event of the NAACP in honor of MLK.

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COLUMBIA, S.C. — Sens. Cory Booker and Bernie Sanders took two starkly different approaches Monday as they spoke to hundreds of mostly black rally-goers in the first Southern state to vote in 2020.


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Booker acknowledged that the country has a justice system that works better for the “rich and guilty” than the “poor and innocent.” But he largely echoed King’s message, speaking in more general terms about the importance of unity and having what he called “courageous empathy” and acting on dissatisfaction, a term King stressed in his 1967 “Where Do We Go From Here?” address.

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Sanders was more blunt, declaring at one point: “It gives me no pleasure to tell you that we now have a president of the United States who is a racist.”

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Neither Sanders nor Booker have said whether they are running for president. But Sanders addressed the question head on during a roundtable discussion. He recognized that some current candidates are friends of his, including Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) and Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.).

“This is not easy stuff. Is there a willingness to do this?” Sanders asked, sharing his mindset as he questions whether to mount another campaign for president. The crowd answered with a resounding “yes!”

Still, a presidential campaign is “tough stuff,” he said. “I’m gonna be going around the country and I’m gonna be talking to people and see whether there is that willingness because if we go forward … we’re gonna take on every powerful special interest in this country.”



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on January 21, 2019, 11:58:10 PM
The next scheduled announcement (according to Wikipedia) is Marianne Williamson on the 28th. Should be interesting.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: America Needs R'hllor on January 22, 2019, 12:40:07 AM
Can we please stay on topic? I keep seeing new posts expecting new news.

This. This thread isn't for political brawls, it's for discussion of the 2020 tea leaves. Keep out the usual Atlas bs.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on January 22, 2019, 08:47:15 AM
The next scheduled announcement (according to Wikipedia) is Marianne Williamson on the 28th. Should be interesting.

She will probably be the only candidate to call for reparations for black Americans. Would love to see someone like her or Andrew Yang, with ideas that are not par for the course make it to the debate stage.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: bilaps on January 22, 2019, 10:04:27 AM
So much this. No one is safe from criticism, and the whole point of the primary is to air these disputes and to let the voters decide. Stop acting like every revelation will lead to a Trump victory.
Everytime someone has a valid criticism about Bernie we are told that that's not what he meant, we didn't see what we saw, we heard it wrong, or we have Bernie Derangement Syndrome....

Oh Please, if one were to actually watch the 2016 primary unfold, one would see that many stances Sanders had, such as on guns, were heavily criticized. Saying he was treated like someone special is pure historical revisionism.

Seriously, no one is safe from criticism, not Sanders, not Harris, not Beto, and not Biden. Thats literally the whole point of holding a primary.
He was treated with kid gloves by the media and Hillary's campaign because his cultists acted like cry babies and perpetuated that the media was in the tank for Hillary (even though she recieved the most negative press of ALL the candidates). I hope Sanders runs so we can finally skewer his problematic record and infeasible plans.

lol what? are you ashamed? did you sleep through 2015 and 2016?

nope, he's like cnn, go against his opinion and you'll be right almost all the time


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: beaver2.0 on January 22, 2019, 11:34:20 AM
The next scheduled announcement (according to Wikipedia) is Marianne Williamson on the 28th. Should be interesting.

She will probably be the only candidate to call for reparations for black Americans. Would love to see someone like her or Andrew Yang, with ideas that are not par for the course make it to the debate stage.
Yang appears able to make a reasonable case for his platform, so yes, I'd like to see him given a fair shot.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RaphaelDLG on January 22, 2019, 01:35:35 PM
Beto's chance of running dropped on PredictIt fairly significantly today.  Any reason why?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on January 22, 2019, 01:37:07 PM
Beto's chance of running dropped on PredictIt fairly significantly today.  Any reason why?

Not sure. If I were to guess, it would be the attention Harris is getting, and the Beto backlash that is starting to form. Then again, it is a betting market, so it could just be market manipulation or some other tiny factor that has to do with trade.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 22, 2019, 08:09:16 PM
Inslee in NH:

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/gov-jay-inslee-pushes-for-climate-change-in-new-hampshire-speech/

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Asked by reporters whether he was entering the 2020 presidential race, Inslee said he would make a decision within “weeks, not months.”

Hickenlooper headed to Iowa on Sunday:

https://kdvr.com/2019/01/22/former-colorado-gov-john-hickenlooper-heads-to-iowa-this-weekend/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 23, 2019, 12:59:39 AM
When Booker was in Georgia, Jimmy Carter said he hopes Booker runs for president, and Booker’s response made mention of the fact that he’s nearing a decision:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/22/politics/cory-booker-2020-south-carolina/index.html

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"That blew me away," Booker reflected Monday, adding, "I'm not that far from making a decision myself."

Bloomberg headed to NH on Jan. 29th:

https://www.fosters.com/news/20190121/2020-vision-delaney-touts-im-now-in-race

John Kerry still not closing the door:

https://news.abs-cbn.com/overseas/01/23/19/john-kerry-to-trump-resign

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"I've told people I have not taken it off the table, but I'm not sitting around actively planning a (2020) campaign, or doing something, no," Kerry, 75, told CNBC television at the World Economic Forum in Davos.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 23, 2019, 09:30:21 AM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 23, 2019, 11:12:38 AM
As noted in this thread, de Blasio has recently revived talk that he’s thinking about running for president, which, according to this story, “stunned even some of his closest friends and oldest advisers”:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/01/will-bill-de-blasio-run-in-2020.html

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But he’s not running.

At least that is what people who know him well say. De Blasio has made no effort to lay the groundwork for a run, and in a field bursting at the seams with qualified contenders, staffers and fundraisers are going quick. The ongoing business of running the city would keep de Blasio away from the early primary states. With so many top-tier candidates saying so many of the same things, he would have trouble garnering much air time.

But by declining to rule out a run, de Blasio at least keeps open the possibility of a candidacy as the field develops. “Who knows what the field looks like two or four or six months from now,” said one person close to City Hall. “I think if the dynamic shifts he could take a closer look at it.”
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“If you are Bill de Blasio, you are looking down the barrel of term limits, there is no natural next step for you, you have a bully pulpit and you run a city that can be a laboratory of progressive ideas,” said one ally. “There is no reason in the world why you shouldn’t put your name out there and see if you get any traction. If you are polling at 1 or 2 percent five months from now, you can just as easily step away.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Grassroots on January 23, 2019, 11:32:13 AM
As noted in this thread, de Blasio has recently revived talk that he’s thinking about running for president, which, according to this story, “stunned even some of his closest friends and oldest advisers”:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/01/will-bill-de-blasio-run-in-2020.html

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But he’s not running.

At least that is what people who know him well say. De Blasio has made no effort to lay the groundwork for a run, and in a field bursting at the seams with qualified contenders, staffers and fundraisers are going quick. The ongoing business of running the city would keep de Blasio away from the early primary states. With so many top-tier candidates saying so many of the same things, he would have trouble garnering much air time.

But by declining to rule out a run, de Blasio at least keeps open the possibility of a candidacy as the field develops. “Who knows what the field looks like two or four or six months from now,” said one person close to City Hall. “I think if the dynamic shifts he could take a closer look at it.”
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“If you are Bill de Blasio, you are looking down the barrel of term limits, there is no natural next step for you, you have a bully pulpit and you run a city that can be a laboratory of progressive ideas,” said one ally. “There is no reason in the world why you shouldn’t put your name out there and see if you get any traction. If you are polling at 1 or 2 percent five months from now, you can just as easily step away.”


Cmon now, he isn't that stupid.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 23, 2019, 01:53:41 PM
Hickenlooper reiterates that he plans to decide on whether to run by March:

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2019/01/23/john-hickenlooper-2020-president-campaign/

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“We should, I hope, by March,” he said. “We spent a lot of time working on it and, you know, we’re trying to make sure we make the right decision once.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on January 23, 2019, 03:24:34 PM
Hickenlooper reiterates that he plans to decide on whether to run by March:

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2019/01/23/john-hickenlooper-2020-president-campaign/

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“We should, I hope, by March,” he said. “We spent a lot of time working on it and, you know, we’re trying to make sure we make the right decision once.”

Waaaaaay too late. Everyone who’s anyone will be in by Valentine’s Day.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 23, 2019, 05:09:18 PM
Chris Murphy says he's not running:



Adam Schiff headed to NH:



Klobuchar "putting out feelers" for a NH trip of her own:




Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 23, 2019, 05:14:25 PM
Hickenlooper reiterates that he plans to decide on whether to run by March:

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2019/01/23/john-hickenlooper-2020-president-campaign/

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“We should, I hope, by March,” he said. “We spent a lot of time working on it and, you know, we’re trying to make sure we make the right decision once.”

Waaaaaay too late. Everyone who’s anyone will be in by Valentine’s Day.

As I noted in this thread:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=311824.0

March is the timeframe of choice for many in Hickenlooper's "tier".  Brown, Garcettti, Hickenlooper, McAuliffe, and Merkley all say March or "by the end of the first quarter".  Swalwell says "by early spring".  Bullock has suggested he might not decide until May.  And honestly, it wouldn't surprise if none of Biden, Sanders, or O'Rourke have announced their decision by Valentine's Day.  The most likely entrants between now and Valentine's Day are Booker, Inslee, Klobuchar, and maybe Bloomberg.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Smith on January 23, 2019, 07:08:05 PM
Hickenlooper reiterates that he plans to decide on whether to run by March:

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2019/01/23/john-hickenlooper-2020-president-campaign/

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“We should, I hope, by March,” he said. “We spent a lot of time working on it and, you know, we’re trying to make sure we make the right decision once.”

Waaaaaay too late. Everyone who’s anyone will be in by Valentine’s Day.

The current Pres was the Last to decide in 2016.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on January 23, 2019, 07:43:09 PM
Hickenlooper reiterates that he plans to decide on whether to run by March:

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2019/01/23/john-hickenlooper-2020-president-campaign/

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“We should, I hope, by March,” he said. “We spent a lot of time working on it and, you know, we’re trying to make sure we make the right decision once.”

Waaaaaay too late. Everyone who’s anyone will be in by Valentine’s Day.

The current Pres was the Last to decide in 2016.
The current pres was also super famous before he ran for President, not some non-entity Governor with a weird name.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on January 23, 2019, 08:42:20 PM
Hickenlooper reiterates that he plans to decide on whether to run by March:

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2019/01/23/john-hickenlooper-2020-president-campaign/

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“We should, I hope, by March,” he said. “We spent a lot of time working on it and, you know, we’re trying to make sure we make the right decision once.”

Waaaaaay too late. Everyone who’s anyone will be in by Valentine’s Day.

The current Pres was the Last to decide in 2016.
The current pres was also super famous before he ran for President, not some non-entity Governor with a weird name.
This. The only people who could wait that long and have a meaningful chance to win are Biden and Sanders.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Big Abraham on January 23, 2019, 08:44:29 PM
Hickenlooper reiterates that he plans to decide on whether to run by March:

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2019/01/23/john-hickenlooper-2020-president-campaign/

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“We should, I hope, by March,” he said. “We spent a lot of time working on it and, you know, we’re trying to make sure we make the right decision once.”

Waaaaaay too late. Everyone who’s anyone will be in by Valentine’s Day.

The current Pres was the Last to decide in 2016.
The current pres was also super famous before he ran for President, not some non-entity Governor with a weird name.

That, and also everyone is running really early in this cycle for some reason. Cruz was the first to announce his candidacy in 2015, and that was in late March


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NOVA Green on January 23, 2019, 10:43:33 PM


I saw Brown on MSNBC Last Night, and he was talking about upcoming visits to SC and NH.

He also talked about the plight of waitresses in Iowa and Casino / Tourist Sector Industry workers in NV if memory serves me right (I walked in from having a cig on the tail end of Rachel Maddow's interview, and was multitasking, so apologies if I didn't get the exact interview details within context...


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 24, 2019, 01:18:20 AM
Kasich spoke at the University of Florida and was asked the 2020 question:

https://www.gainesville.com/news/20190123/kasich-doesnt-rule-out-2020-presidential-run

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The questioner went on to ask if he would run in an effort to split votes from Republican incumbent president Donald Trump to ensure someone else wins office. Kasich challenged Trump deep into the 2016 Republican primary before Trump won the party nomination.

“I’m only interested in running if I can win,” Kasich said. “I’m not interested in running to damage someone else.”

But Kasich later said he wouldn’t rule out running as a third-party candidate in the 2020 presidential election if approached.

“All options are on the table,” he said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 24, 2019, 11:12:26 AM
Like Hickenlooper, McAuliffe also reiterates his "March" timeline, saying "I will make a decision by March 31":

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/terry-mcauliffe-hints-im-going-to-announce-says-trump-has-no-moral-core

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McAuliffe also said that the early candidates will need to raise $50 million to compete, and expects that the “weeding” process will happen fast.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: sparkey on January 24, 2019, 11:28:53 AM
Boston Herald columnist Joe Battenfield thinks Bill Weld could announce on Feb. 15 in New Hampshire: https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/01/23/ex-mass-gov-weld-weighs-presidential-run-against-trump/ (https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/01/23/ex-mass-gov-weld-weighs-presidential-run-against-trump/)

He speculates that Weld could switch back to being a Republican while he's at it, but that would be a bit absurd considering that Weld was talking about being in the 2020 Libertarian Party race less than a week ago (https://reason.com/blog/2019/01/20/justin-amash-the-libertarian-party-shoul).


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on January 24, 2019, 01:46:45 PM
Like Hickenlooper, McAuliffe also reiterates his "March" timeline, saying "I will make a decision by March 31":


Forget Biden, Beto, and all the rest--McAuliffe is the centrist white male who might actually have a shot at getting the nomination.  I'm looking forward to him joining the race.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Tender Branson on January 24, 2019, 02:19:55 PM
Interesting that roughly 10 important Democrats have announced so far, but no Republican challenger for Trump.

But I guess that's fine. Better 1 good candidate to run against him (with the chance of getting the - small - anti-Trump vote, than 5 or so challengers splitting the vote.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: brucejoel99 on January 24, 2019, 02:43:41 PM
Kasich spoke at the University of Florida and was asked the 2020 question:

https://www.gainesville.com/news/20190123/kasich-doesnt-rule-out-2020-presidential-run

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The questioner went on to ask if he would run in an effort to split votes from Republican incumbent president Donald Trump to ensure someone else wins office. Kasich challenged Trump deep into the 2016 Republican primary before Trump won the party nomination.

“I’m only interested in running if I can win,” Kasich said. “I’m not interested in running to damage someone else.”

But Kasich later said he wouldn’t rule out running as a third-party candidate in the 2020 presidential election if approached.

“All options are on the table,” he said.


Attended this event last night, & he was really cool to see. He didn't talk about politics as much as I hoped for, but hearing his speech was still inspiring nonetheless. It wasn't just about politics & controversy. He was genuinely trying to motivate us to do good regardless of what political side we are on.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Woody on January 24, 2019, 03:37:56 PM
Boston Herald columnist Joe Battenfield thinks Bill Weld could announce on Feb. 15 in New Hampshire: https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/01/23/ex-mass-gov-weld-weighs-presidential-run-against-trump/ (https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/01/23/ex-mass-gov-weld-weighs-presidential-run-against-trump/)

He speculates that Weld could switch back to being a Republican while he's at it, but that would be a bit absurd considering that Weld was talking about being in the 2020 Libertarian Party race less than a week ago (https://reason.com/blog/2019/01/20/justin-amash-the-libertarian-party-shoul).
I think that would be cool. A Weld vs Trump debate would be interesting.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: History505 on January 24, 2019, 03:57:52 PM
Boston Herald columnist Joe Battenfield thinks Bill Weld could announce on Feb. 15 in New Hampshire: https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/01/23/ex-mass-gov-weld-weighs-presidential-run-against-trump/ (https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/01/23/ex-mass-gov-weld-weighs-presidential-run-against-trump/)

He speculates that Weld could switch back to being a Republican while he's at it, but that would be a bit absurd considering that Weld was talking about being in the 2020 Libertarian Party race less than a week ago (https://reason.com/blog/2019/01/20/justin-amash-the-libertarian-party-shoul).
I think that would be cool. A Weld vs Trump debate would be interesting.
Using your owns lol, I think Weld would get slaughtered in a debate like that.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on January 24, 2019, 04:17:16 PM
Weld wouldn’t make the stage against Trump no matter what banner he runs on, and he’d be destroyed if he did.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 24, 2019, 04:38:47 PM
Boston Herald columnist Joe Battenfield thinks Bill Weld could announce on Feb. 15 in New Hampshire: https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/01/23/ex-mass-gov-weld-weighs-presidential-run-against-trump/ (https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/01/23/ex-mass-gov-weld-weighs-presidential-run-against-trump/)

He speculates that Weld could switch back to being a Republican while he's at it, but that would be a bit absurd considering that Weld was talking about being in the 2020 Libertarian Party race less than a week ago (https://reason.com/blog/2019/01/20/justin-amash-the-libertarian-party-shoul).
I think that would be cool. A Weld vs Trump debate would be interesting.

I highly doubt Trump will agree to debate any possible primary challenger.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Technocracy Timmy on January 24, 2019, 08:26:22 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: scutosaurus on January 24, 2019, 09:03:14 PM


It's happening. Every day is one day closer to the start of the Bennet presidency.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Big Abraham on January 24, 2019, 09:04:12 PM


I mean, his recent diatribe against Cruz certainly raised his national profile


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on January 24, 2019, 10:17:39 PM


It's happening. Every day is one day closer to the start of the Bennet presidency.

Or to his Vice Presidency under Kamala Harris.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 24, 2019, 11:04:09 PM
More decision timeline updates:

Garcetti had previously said that he'd decide on whether to run during the first quarter of 2019.  However, now he says that he has no timeline for making a decision...but ask him again in a few days:

https://www.wmur.com/article/teachers-strike-ended-garcetti-says-stay-tuned-on-presidential-run/26031230

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With the Los Angeles teachers strike now at an end, Garcetti was asked Thursday if he has a timeline for deciding whether to run for president.

"Don't have one," he said. "I just say stay tuned, and I've definitely not been thinking about it while I've been for the last three weeks just making sure my first priority was to end the strike. We did it, so ask me in a few days."

Also, Hickenlooper just said that he'd decide "by March", but now says that he'll decide "in the next few weeks":

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/426828-former-colorado-governor-says-he-will-make-2020-decision-within-next-few-weeks

Which leads me to wonder if when he said "by March", he meant before the beginning of March, rather than some time in March.

He also says that he's leaning towards running:

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“We’re certainly looking at it very closely and I think in the next few weeks we’re going to decide whether we're going to run in 2020, but I’d say we’re leaning in that direction,” Hickenlooper told Hill.TV’s Alexandra Oliveira.

Hickenlooper said he still has a “long list” of considerations to make before throwing his name into the mix, including the impact it would have on his family.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 25, 2019, 02:21:48 AM
Latest on O’Rourke:

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/01/25/beto-orourke-2020-presidential-run-talk/

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O’Rourke does not believe there is a window of time during which he must make up his mind, according to a person familiar with his thinking. A top concern remains the burden a 2020 campaign would place on his family after the relentless travel schedule of his Senate bid. He is also weighing how he would be able to stay true to the kind of campaign he ran in 2018 if he makes a White House run.

In the meantime, invitations continue to pour in for O'Rourke to take the more traditional route of a prospective presidential candidate and test the waters with trips to Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina. His team continues to neither accept nor reject them, telling at least some of the senders that O'Rourke does not have any travel plans at this time – but they will be back in touch if that changes.

In Texas, some former campaign staffers are sitting tight to see what he does, reluctant to sign on with other 2020 campaigns in the meantime. O'Rourke is keeping a tight inner circle, and while there have been reports speculating about the contours of a potential 2020 campaign, there is also a recognition that he has long served as his own strategist and decisions are not made until he is fully comfortable with them.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on January 25, 2019, 11:03:38 AM
Or to his Vice Presidency under Kamala Harris.

This!  This times a million!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 25, 2019, 04:46:49 PM
O’Rourke says that a decision on whether to run for president could “potentially” take months, and that if he doesn’t run for prez, he might turn to teaching:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/25/orourke-2020-decision-months-away-1126571

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Beto O’Rourke said Friday that he‘s no closer to making a decision on a presidential run, noting that family concerns and the “exhaustion” of his Texas Senate run are still weighing on him.

“There’s an exhaustion after an effort like that, that I’m learning is hard to recover from,” the former Texas congressman said at a local speaker series here. “You don’t snap back.”

He gave no sense of timing for an announcement about his 2020 intentions. In response to a question from the audience, he said he has not had any contact with other potential candidates about joining a presidential ticket. If he does not run for president, O'Rourke said he is considering teaching.

He told POLITICO after the event that he has no timetable for a decision, suggesting it could “potentially” take months.

Meanwhile, Biden is also dithering on a decision:

http://www.heraldnews.com/opinion/20190125/biden-camp-wrestles-with-whether-theres-market-for-his-2020-campaign

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Biden has done little spadework in the early primary states. If he waits much longer, some advisers worry, he could risk losing potential staffers to other candidates who are much further along.

He has never been a prolific fundraiser, and has not developed fresh email lists of supporters as some of the other candidates have.

“He’s in one of those deep, dark moments where he’s pondering the imponderable,” said one close adviser, speaking on the condition of anonymity to preserve their relationship. “Everybody’s guessing, other than the fact that they know he’s trying to make a decision.”

His self-imposed deadlines have slipped, becoming a running joke among those who are following him closely. Biden has told some that he plans to run, but even those people don’t fully believe it. He is keeping most of his counsel close to a small group that includes his family and a handful of advisers.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on January 25, 2019, 05:09:55 PM
O’Rourke says that a decision on whether to run for president could “potentially” take months, and that if he doesn’t run for prez, he might turn to teaching:

Meanwhile, Biden is also dithering on a decision:

Neither of them will run.  They don't want to say so yet because they're both enjoying the media attention, but they both know a run would be pointless, if not counterproductive.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Horatii on January 25, 2019, 05:17:57 PM
It does seem more and more apparent that Beto and Biden stay out of the race (probably best for both of them especially Biden). The question is where does Biden’s support go?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on January 25, 2019, 05:23:47 PM
It does seem more and more apparent that Beto and Biden stay out of the race (probably best for both of them especially Biden). The question is where does Biden’s support go?

My guess is Gillibrand picks up some of it, and an as-yet-to-be-determined moderate, probably someone like Terry McAuliffe, picks up the rest.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Big Abraham on January 25, 2019, 06:19:03 PM
It does seem more and more apparent that Beto and Biden stay out of the race (probably best for both of them especially Biden). The question is where does Biden’s support go?

Probably Booker


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ViaActiva on January 25, 2019, 06:56:35 PM
There was way too much hype and expectation of Beto from people who should have known better. He should try running for Senate in 2020 if he wants to stay in politics.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Skye on January 25, 2019, 07:10:16 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 25, 2019, 07:46:45 PM


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Two sources with direct knowledge of his plans told Yahoo News that Sanders, an independent and self-described “democratic socialist,” plans to announce his presidential bid imminently. While Sanders has been considering a bid for months, one of the sources said he was emboldened by early polls of the race that have consistently showed him as one of the top candidates in a crowded Democratic primary field. In particular, the source said Sanders was heartened to see numbers indicating he is one of the leading candidates among African American and Latino voters, two groups he was perceived as struggling with in 2016.
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“He’s already talking to staff and there are people he’s hiring. They’re nailing down contracts with vendors. … All the movement is there for him to run,” the ex-staffer said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Grassroots on January 25, 2019, 09:51:56 PM


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Two sources with direct knowledge of his plans told Yahoo News that Sanders, an independent and self-described “democratic socialist,” plans to announce his presidential bid imminently. While Sanders has been considering a bid for months, one of the sources said he was emboldened by early polls of the race that have consistently showed him as one of the top candidates in a crowded Democratic primary field. In particular, the source said Sanders was heartened to see numbers indicating he is one of the leading candidates among African American and Latino voters, two groups he was perceived as struggling with in 2016.
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A third source said Sanders’ bid will begin with an exploratory committee. Sanders’ campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment for this story.
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“He’s already talking to staff and there are people he’s hiring. They’re nailing down contracts with vendors. … All the movement is there for him to run,” the ex-staffer said.


Ugh whyyyyyyyyy

Warren is literally running

I was getting so hyped then this old clown suddenly jumped into the news


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 26, 2019, 07:45:12 AM
Christie asked if he'll run for president in 2020:

https://www.kesq.com/news/former-nj-gov-chris-christie-kicks-off-2019-desert-town-hall-speaker-series/986516939

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When asked if he was going to run again in 2020, Christie said probably not in 2020 but he did add, "Never say never."

Seems unlikely that he'd challenge Trump, though this story (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/chris-christie-says-never-say-never-to-him-challenging-trump-running-for-president-in-2020) notes that his new book, which comes out in a few days and is titled “Let Me Finish: Trump, The Kushners, Bannon, New Jersey and the Power of In-Your-Face Politics" is rather critical of the Trump administration.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 26, 2019, 10:28:26 AM
NYT: (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/26/us/politics/donald-trump-2020-election.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytpolitics&smtyp=cur) Hogan is considering primarying Trump and is reaching to the Kristol NT group and others in Iowa. Weld considering running in the GOP primary, while Sasse has gotten cold feet and Flake/Kasich have joined TV.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on January 26, 2019, 11:04:23 AM
NYT: (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/26/us/politics/donald-trump-2020-election.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytpolitics&smtyp=cur) Hogan is considering primarying Trump and is reaching to the Kristol NT group and others in Iowa. Weld considering running in the GOP primary, while Sasse has gotten cold feet and Flake/Kasich have joined TV.

I've said it before, the only primary challenge to Trump that would have any effect would be someone from the right attacking Trump's concessions on the wall.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 26, 2019, 11:26:40 AM
Howard Schultz has already taped an interview for 60 Minutes that'll air tomorrow night, in which he apparently says that if he runs for president, it'll definitely be as an Independent:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/howard-schultzs-independent-run-could-help-trump/581374/

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Schultz, the former Starbucks CEO, will say in a 60 Minutes interview already recorded, but airing on Sunday that he is thinking very seriously about a presidential run—but stop short of a full announcement.

He will make clear, however, that it would be as an independent if he moves forward.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: TheSaint250 on January 26, 2019, 12:05:37 PM
NYT: (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/26/us/politics/donald-trump-2020-election.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytpolitics&smtyp=cur) Hogan is considering primarying Trump and is reaching to the Kristol NT group and others in Iowa. Weld considering running in the GOP primary, while Sasse has gotten cold feet and Flake/Kasich have joined TV.

Hogan <3

I’d rather Weld run as a Libertarian and (hopefully) win that primary so that there’s at least one big-name center-right choice in the general election.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Cold War Liberal on January 26, 2019, 12:50:55 PM
NYT: (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/26/us/politics/donald-trump-2020-election.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytpolitics&smtyp=cur) Hogan is considering primarying Trump and is reaching to the Kristol NT group and others in Iowa. Weld considering running in the GOP primary, while Sasse has gotten cold feet and Flake/Kasich have joined TV.

Hogan <3


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: beaver2.0 on January 26, 2019, 01:32:47 PM
Larry Hogans’s a Republican i’d seriously consider voting for.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on January 26, 2019, 03:59:16 PM
NYT: (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/26/us/politics/donald-trump-2020-election.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytpolitics&smtyp=cur) Hogan is considering primarying Trump and is reaching to the Kristol NT group and others in Iowa. Weld considering running in the GOP primary, while Sasse has gotten cold feet and Flake/Kasich have joined TV.

But after RNC has declared they will support DJT, how Hogan would run his campaign? He would must rely really much on big donors outside RNC or congressional Republicans (both doesn't fancy DJT). Do you think guys that this is possible?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: No War, but the War on Christmas on January 26, 2019, 04:23:38 PM
NYT: (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/26/us/politics/donald-trump-2020-election.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytpolitics&smtyp=cur) Hogan is considering primarying Trump and is reaching to the Kristol NT group and others in Iowa. Weld considering running in the GOP primary, while Sasse has gotten cold feet and Flake/Kasich have joined TV.

But after RNC has declared they will support DJT, how Hogan would run his campaign? He would must rely really much on big donors outside RNC or congressional Republicans (both doesn't fancy DJT). Do you think guys that this is possible?

I'll bet there's a sizable amount of money out there available to any established Republican politician willing to take on DJT; whether they win or not.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 26, 2019, 04:30:52 PM
Brown was on Late Night with Seth Meyers a couple of nights ago, but made no news about a presidential run, other than to reiterate that he’s thinking about it, and gearing up for his “listening tour”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfLIDDFkDLc

Hickenlooper:

https://www.cpr.org/news/story/hickenlooper-mayors-conference-on-road-ny-dc-iowa

Quote
“If I'm going to take a big chunk of my life and run a national campaign, I want to feel I've got a good chance of winning,” Hickenlooper said. “And that is part of the calculus we're doing right now as well.”

After he wrapped up two terms as governor in January, Hickenlooper said he planned on taking some time off, perhaps even going on the honeymoon that has eluded him and his wife, Robin Pringle, when they got married three years ago.

Instead, Hickenlooper has picked up the pace, throwing himself headlong into what is looking more and more like an announcement that he’ll seek to become the Democratic standard bearer in the next race for the White House.

Throughout this week he’s met with network television executives in Washington, D.C. and New York. On Thursday, he gave a 10-minute talk at the U.S. Conference of Mayors in D.C. From there the former pub owner will return to Iowa, where he’ll spend part of the weekend touring a brewery, as well as being the guest of honor at a private party in Des Moines. There he’ll try to convince voters in the nominal first stop of the 2020 Election that he should be the guy to replace Donald Trump as president.

de Blasio’s wife on 2020:

https://itk.thehill.com/hilltv/rising/426965-first-lady-of-nyc-on-de-blasios-potential-2020-bid-nothing-can-be-off-the-table

Quote
First lady of New York City Chirlane McCray said Friday that Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) wouldn’t rule out the possibility of running for president, emphasizing that “nothing is off the table.”

"He wouldn’t rule it out, and that’s wise when you see what’s happening in this country,” McCray told Hill.TV’s Buck Sexton when asked whether de Blasio will launch a 2020 White House bid. "Who would rule anything out? Nothing can be off the table."

She added that "people have to do the right thing if they’re called to serve."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 26, 2019, 04:59:00 PM
NYT: (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/26/us/politics/donald-trump-2020-election.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytpolitics&smtyp=cur) Hogan is considering primarying Trump and is reaching to the Kristol NT group and others in Iowa. Weld considering running in the GOP primary, while Sasse has gotten cold feet and Flake/Kasich have joined TV.

Here’s the relevant excerpt:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/26/us/politics/trump-rnc-2020.html

Quote
Mr. Hogan, 62, is set to meet more formally in the coming weeks with Mr. Kristol and Sarah Longwell, a Republican strategist helping marshal opposition to Mr. Trump. Mr. Kristol and Ms. Longwell have been meeting with Republican donors and potential challengers, sharing focus-group and polling data about the president’s vulnerability with what they call “Reluctant Trump Voters,” according to a copy of their presentation reviewed by The New York Times.

Mr. Hogan is planning a trip to Iowa in his capacity as an officer of the National Governors Association. But his advisers also recently reached out to Mr. Kochel, the Iowa-based strategist, to ask that he put together a dinner with similarly minded Republicans while Mr. Hogan is there, according to an associate of Mr. Kochel briefed on the exchange.

Jerry Taylor, president of the Niskanen Center, said Mr. Hogan had “made it clear that the door is open to a potential candidacy, but no decision has been made.”

In addition to Mr. Hogan, William F. Weld, the former Republican governor of Massachusetts, is weighing a challenge to Mr. Trump as a small-government moderate, people who have spoken with him said. Mr. Weld, 73, who was the Libertarian Party’s vice-presidential nominee in 2016, has discussed either opposing Mr. Trump in the Republican primaries or seeking the Libertarian presidential nomination.

I'll bet there's a sizable amount of money out there available to any established Republican politician willing to take on DJT; whether they win or not.

Yep.  I imagine money would be the least of the problems for a Trump primary challenger.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 26, 2019, 05:47:45 PM
Does anything suggest that Hogan's interest is serious rather than posturing for the sake of sustaining his home-state popularity?

I'm not sure what category of evidence could usefully distinguish between those two possibilities.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on January 26, 2019, 05:56:39 PM
It does seem more and more apparent that Beto and Biden stay out of the race (probably best for both of them especially Biden). The question is where does Biden’s support go?
There is no monolithic “Biden support.” The people choosing him in polls are the people who don’t know anything about any of the other candidates.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 26, 2019, 07:15:19 PM
New GQ profile of Sanders:

https://www.gq.com/story/bernie-sanders-unfinished-business?verso=true

Quote
But when I met with him in Washington a week before Christmas, Sanders still did not know what he wanted to do, and the indecision was taking a toll—not just on his potential campaign team, many of whom were raring to go but were also getting antsy about missing out on opportunities with other candidates, but also on Sanders. “Bottom line, look, I am not a complicated person. I’m really not,” he said to me, although it seemed like he might have been talking to himself. “And I believe that the job of an elected official, the job of the president, the job of Congress, is to represent the needs of working people, not just billionaires.”

Sanders often says that making it to the White House has never been a lifelong ambition. “I’m not one of those sons of multimillionaires whose parents told them they were going to become president of the United States,” he told New York magazine last year. “I don’t wake up in the morning with any burning desire that I have to be president.”

When I asked him in his Senate office what about being president did appeal to him, he gave a rote, somewhat listless answer: the opportunity it would give him to “create an economy that works for all people, not just the few”; to be “a leader who brings our people together”; to lead the fight against climate change. “The enormous capability of a president to bring change is something that is kind of awesome, and that is enticing,” he said, before adding: “Maybe just a few more questions.”

“Most of the people in politics have wanted to be president since they were 16. They’ve built their lives around their ascension to higher office,” one Sanders adviser says. “That was never Bernie. He was himself for seven decades. And now he’s in a position that at no point in his life did he ever think he’d be in.”

Swalwell:

http://www.diablomag.com/February-2019/The-Diablo-Interview-Congressman-Eric-Swalwell/

Quote
Q: What does your family think about you making a presidential run?

A: That’s really what it’s about: What is the cost to the family? My wife has a full-time job; she was one of the top directors of sales in the whole Ritz-Carlton brand last year. She wants to continue to do well in her career and grow. We have a 3-month-old and a 20-month-old, and I don’t want to be a stranger to them. And I have brothers who have [“Swalwell”] stitched across their police uniforms, so I don’t want to do anything that would make their jobs more difficult.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 27, 2019, 11:13:10 AM



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 27, 2019, 11:16:53 AM
More on the above:

https://ntknetwork.com/cnn-hillary-clinton-not-closing-the-door-to-running-in-2020/

Quote
“Okay, so Hillary Clinton is telling people that she’s not closing the doors to the idea of running in 2020,” Zeleny told CNN’s “Inside Politics” on Sunday.

“I’m told by three people that, as recently as this week, she was telling people that, look, given all this news from the indictments, particularly the Roger Stone indictment, she talked to several people, saying look, I’m not closing the doors to this,” Zeleny said.

Zeleny added that this does not mean there is a campaign in waiting for Clinton or a plan in the works if she decides to run again in 2020.

“But, she is still believing that there maybe could be a possibility under the argument of this, ‘I won the popular vote. All of this has sort of vindicated what happened in 2016,” Zeleny said.

According to Zeleny, one person close to Clinton told him they would be surprised greatly if Clinton decided to run but added that she still hasn’t closed the door.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: President Johnson on January 27, 2019, 11:20:35 AM
Hillary, Bernard, Biden, Kerry etc. are all terrible candidates. Democrats don't need some 75 year old guys for the 2020 election who ran in earlier cycles and all failed. I wish they would just go away. The only man of the past I'd support with enthusiasm is Al Gore, but he's not running.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: LabourJersey on January 27, 2019, 12:19:51 PM
There is absolutely a 0% chance that Hillary Clinton runs again and people need to stop encouraging conservative media that's pushing that dumb narrative for clickbait


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 27, 2019, 01:12:05 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/27/politics/john-hickenlooper-2020-iowa-run/index.html

Quote
And during an interview with CNN on Thursday, as his team of staffers planned his first trip to Iowa on 2019, Hickenlooper appeared more resolute to make his unlikely story of geologist-turned-brewer-turned-politician include a run at the White House.

"I've been known to play a little cards," Hickenlooper said with a smile when asked about whether he enjoys betting. "Given that there is still uncertainty in the future, I probably would take the bet that I would run for President."

Hickenlooper will headline a house party with Iowa Democrats in Des Moines on Sunday afternoon and then travel to Court Avenue Restaurant & Brewing to mingle with staffers and patrons. The trip will further stoke 2020 chatter that Hickenlooper has done little to quell.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on January 27, 2019, 01:26:41 PM



Like clockwork, we’ve heard the same story for the past year or so all from peopld who have little to no connections to her. This is clearly clickbait for the media and people fall for it every time.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 27, 2019, 02:18:48 PM
"Biden allies" say that the fact that the Bide-man has missed his self-imposed deadlines for making a decision doesn't mean he's not going to run:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/427052-biden-allies-say-he-doesnt-have-to-rush-into-race

Quote
Joe Biden isn’t feeling any pressure to announce a presidential bid, allies to the former vice president say.

While a string of Democrats including Sens. Kamala Harris (Calif.) and Kristen Gillibrand (N.Y.) have jumped into the 2020 mix, sources who have spoken to Biden in recent days say he's letting the process play out before revealing his intentions.

Behind the scenes, however, Biden is proceeding as if he is going to enter the fray in the coming months. He is reaching out to key Democrats, swapping emails with donors and speaking at notable events that keep his name in the mix.

Biden allies are also preparing staffing and organizing recommendations should he decide to enter the race.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Continential on January 27, 2019, 02:36:33 PM



Like clockwork, we’ve heard the same story for the past year or so all from peopld who have little to no connections to her. This is clearly clickbait for the media Fox News and people fall for it every time.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on January 27, 2019, 02:37:55 PM
"Biden allies" say that the fact that the Bide-man has missed his self-imposed deadlines for making a decision doesn't mean he's not going to run:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/427052-biden-allies-say-he-doesnt-have-to-rush-into-race

Quote
Joe Biden isn’t feeling any pressure to announce a presidential bid, allies to the former vice president say.

While a string of Democrats including Sens. Kamala Harris (Calif.) and Kristen Gillibrand (N.Y.) have jumped into the 2020 mix, sources who have spoken to Biden in recent days say he's letting the process play out before revealing his intentions.

Behind the scenes, however, Biden is proceeding as if he is going to enter the fray in the coming months. He is reaching out to key Democrats, swapping emails with donors and speaking at notable events that keep his name in the mix.

Biden allies are also preparing staffing and organizing recommendations should he decide to enter the race.

He is such an attention whore.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Liberalrocks on January 27, 2019, 03:15:37 PM
There is absolutely a 0% chance that Hillary Clinton runs again and people need to stop encouraging conservative media that's pushing that dumb narrative for clickbait
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/01/27/politics/inside-politics-forecast-cnntv/index.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on January 27, 2019, 03:36:10 PM
Seriously its crazy how the same story has been written about her by different people all claiming to have some inside knowledge of her plans. At least 5-6 of these stories in 2018 every 6 months or so.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/27/politics/inside-politics-forecast-cnntv/index.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-will-run-again-1541963599

https://nypost.com/2018/10/20/count-on-hillary-clinton-running-again-in-2020/

https://nypost.com/2018/07/07/is-hillary-clinton-secretly-planning-to-run-in-2020/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ○∙◄☻Ątπ[╪AV┼cVę└ on January 27, 2019, 06:53:35 PM
"Biden allies" say that the fact that the Bide-man has missed his self-imposed deadlines for making a decision doesn't mean he's not going to run:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/427052-biden-allies-say-he-doesnt-have-to-rush-into-race

Quote
Joe Biden isn’t feeling any pressure to announce a presidential bid, allies to the former vice president say.

While a string of Democrats including Sens. Kamala Harris (Calif.) and Kristen Gillibrand (N.Y.) have jumped into the 2020 mix, sources who have spoken to Biden in recent days say he's letting the process play out before revealing his intentions.

Behind the scenes, however, Biden is proceeding as if he is going to enter the fray in the coming months. He is reaching out to key Democrats, swapping emails with donors and speaking at notable events that keep his name in the mix.

Biden allies are also preparing staffing and organizing recommendations should he decide to enter the race.


LOL Biden. He was thinking of running in 1980, 1984, 2000, 2004, and 2016, and dropped out before Iowa in 1988. 2008 was the only time he made it Iowa where he immediately dropped out afterwards.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on January 27, 2019, 08:14:56 PM
There is absolutely a 0% chance that Hillary Clinton runs again and people need to stop encouraging conservative media that's pushing that dumb narrative for clickbait


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 27, 2019, 09:30:22 PM
Here's the relevant video from the Schultz interview on 60 Minutes:

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/starbucks-schultz-i-am-seriously-thinking-of-running-for-president

Here's the quote from him:

Quote
"I am seriously thinking of running for president.  I will run as a centrist Independent, outside of the 2-party system."

He also just started using Twitter today:

https://twitter.com/HowardSchultz


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NyIndy on January 27, 2019, 10:08:43 PM
These tweets seem to be very political if they were the only thing to go off of I'd figure he's running. But I'm 2 wondering why he thinks this is the best way to run, he doesn't seem so moderate...


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: wbrocks67 on January 28, 2019, 06:26:10 AM
We all know HRC is not running and like others have said, need to stop encouraging this clickbait trash. Zeleny knows full well that she's not running and it's annoying he's trying to stir s*** up with his "sources."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on January 28, 2019, 08:08:37 AM
These tweets seem to be very political if they were the only thing to go off of I'd figure he's running. But I'm 2 wondering why he thinks this is the best way to run, he doesn't seem so moderate...

He wants to protect those upper-class tax cuts.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on January 28, 2019, 09:10:49 AM
These tweets seem to be very political if they were the only thing to go off of I'd figure he's running. But I'm 2 wondering why he thinks this is the best way to run, he doesn't seem so moderate...

He wants to protect those upper-class tax cuts.

Thought the same. If anything, he wants Trump to be reelected.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on January 28, 2019, 12:14:39 PM
I got information from someone (claims to be close to Ohio Democratic Party and DNC) that Sherrod Brown would have guaranteed VP slot to somebody who will win D's primary.

Further informations on that are as follows:

- Brown would be also having a blank cheque whether to run or not in Democratic primaries, it has to be up to him only

- He was offered to be a horse of "Rust Belt Act" (whatever that name means) which is being reportedly in the works

- That guaranteed Brown's VP slot would not only limit to the winner of Dem primaries, but to any other Democratic contender, I was told that he would get also guaranteed VP offers from "everyone" contending Democratic primaries

- That case about losing a Senate seat when choosing Sherrod for VP in 2020 (because Ohio governor is a Republican) was of course being considered, but according to the informations I got the stakes in 2020 are higher than losing a Senate seat, because it goes about presidency, and such decision was taken concerning that problem

Have you ever heard of "Rust Belt Act"?

Here are the latest updates:

- Harris (her person, candidacy and campaign) have been well accepted in the circles close to DNC;

- She's ready to kinda cooperate with DNC along DNC's legislative agenda (if such thing will be suiting her needs and views). This is important, because DNC wants to and plan to coordinate the outlook of the Party with the primary candidates, and wants it all to be made run smoothly (so Bernie Bros wouldn't get DNC support);

- Staffs of Harris and Brown are have to be coordinating calendars of each own to talk around questions of "Rust Belt Act" (of which I mentioned above in the quotation);

- Brown would decide whether to start or not within two months, if he'll decide to run, he'll officially launch (like KH did last day in Oakland) his campaign on May 1st (the Labor Day) in Chicago;

- But if Brown decide not to run, he'll be in Windy City anyway and along with KH would presumably officially unveil "Rust Belt Act" in the name of the rest of Democrats and DNC;

- That thing of course, would be meaning that Brown joins Harris on her ticket.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on January 28, 2019, 12:32:11 PM
I got information from someone (claims to be close to Ohio Democratic Party and DNC) that Sherrod Brown would have guaranteed VP slot to somebody who will win D's primary.

Further informations on that are as follows:

- Brown would be also having a blank cheque whether to run or not in Democratic primaries, it has to be up to him only

- He was offered to be a horse of "Rust Belt Act" (whatever that name means) which is being reportedly in the works

- That guaranteed Brown's VP slot would not only limit to the winner of Dem primaries, but to any other Democratic contender, I was told that he would get also guaranteed VP offers from "everyone" contending Democratic primaries

- That case about losing a Senate seat when choosing Sherrod for VP in 2020 (because Ohio governor is a Republican) was of course being considered, but according to the informations I got the stakes in 2020 are higher than losing a Senate seat, because it goes about presidency, and such decision was taken concerning that problem

Have you ever heard of "Rust Belt Act"?

Here are the latest updates:

- Harris (her person, candidacy and campaign) have been well accepted in the circles close to DNC;

- She's ready to kinda cooperate with DNC along DNC's legislative agenda (if such thing will be suiting her needs and views). This is important, because DNC wants to and plan to coordinate the outlook of the Party with the primary candidates, and wants it all to be made run smoothly (so Bernie Bros wouldn't get DNC support);

- Staffs of Harris and Brown are have to be coordinating calendars of each own to talk around questions of "Rust Belt Act" (of which I mentioned above in the quotation);

- Brown would decide whether to start or not within two months, if he'll decide to run, he'll officially launch (like KH did last day in Oakland) his campaign on May 1st (the Labor Day) in Chicago;

- But if Brown decide not to run, he'll be in Windy City anyway and along with KH would presumably officially unveil "Rust Belt Act" in the name of the rest of Democrats and DNC;

- That thing of course, would be meaning that Brown joins Harris on her ticket.

Wow. So Harris and Brown could form a ticket for the primary.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: tosk on January 28, 2019, 12:59:45 PM
I got information from someone (claims to be close to Ohio Democratic Party and DNC) that Sherrod Brown would have guaranteed VP slot to somebody who will win D's primary.

Further informations on that are as follows:

- Brown would be also having a blank cheque whether to run or not in Democratic primaries, it has to be up to him only

- He was offered to be a horse of "Rust Belt Act" (whatever that name means) which is being reportedly in the works

- That guaranteed Brown's VP slot would not only limit to the winner of Dem primaries, but to any other Democratic contender, I was told that he would get also guaranteed VP offers from "everyone" contending Democratic primaries

- That case about losing a Senate seat when choosing Sherrod for VP in 2020 (because Ohio governor is a Republican) was of course being considered, but according to the informations I got the stakes in 2020 are higher than losing a Senate seat, because it goes about presidency, and such decision was taken concerning that problem

Have you ever heard of "Rust Belt Act"?

Here are the latest updates:

- Harris (her person, candidacy and campaign) have been well accepted in the circles close to DNC;

- She's ready to kinda cooperate with DNC along DNC's legislative agenda (if such thing will be suiting her needs and views). This is important, because DNC wants to and plan to coordinate the outlook of the Party with the primary candidates, and wants it all to be made run smoothly (so Bernie Bros wouldn't get DNC support);

- Staffs of Harris and Brown are have to be coordinating calendars of each own to talk around questions of "Rust Belt Act" (of which I mentioned above in the quotation);

- Brown would decide whether to start or not within two months, if he'll decide to run, he'll officially launch (like KH did last day in Oakland) his campaign on May 1st (the Labor Day) in Chicago;

- But if Brown decide not to run, he'll be in Windy City anyway and along with KH would presumably officially unveil "Rust Belt Act" in the name of the rest of Democrats and DNC;

- That thing of course, would be meaning that Brown joins Harris on her ticket.

Wow. So Harris and Brown could form a ticket for the primary.

that sounds like they could steamroll


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on January 28, 2019, 01:15:07 PM
I got information from someone (claims to be close to Ohio Democratic Party and DNC) that Sherrod Brown would have guaranteed VP slot to somebody who will win D's primary.

Further informations on that are as follows:

- Brown would be also having a blank cheque whether to run or not in Democratic primaries, it has to be up to him only

- He was offered to be a horse of "Rust Belt Act" (whatever that name means) which is being reportedly in the works

- That guaranteed Brown's VP slot would not only limit to the winner of Dem primaries, but to any other Democratic contender, I was told that he would get also guaranteed VP offers from "everyone" contending Democratic primaries

- That case about losing a Senate seat when choosing Sherrod for VP in 2020 (because Ohio governor is a Republican) was of course being considered, but according to the informations I got the stakes in 2020 are higher than losing a Senate seat, because it goes about presidency, and such decision was taken concerning that problem

Have you ever heard of "Rust Belt Act"?

Here are the latest updates:

- Harris (her person, candidacy and campaign) have been well accepted in the circles close to DNC;

- She's ready to kinda cooperate with DNC along DNC's legislative agenda (if such thing will be suiting her needs and views). This is important, because DNC wants to and plan to coordinate the outlook of the Party with the primary candidates, and wants it all to be made run smoothly (so Bernie Bros wouldn't get DNC support);

- Staffs of Harris and Brown are have to be coordinating calendars of each own to talk around questions of "Rust Belt Act" (of which I mentioned above in the quotation);

- Brown would decide whether to start or not within two months, if he'll decide to run, he'll officially launch (like KH did last day in Oakland) his campaign on May 1st (the Labor Day) in Chicago;

- But if Brown decide not to run, he'll be in Windy City anyway and along with KH would presumably officially unveil "Rust Belt Act" in the name of the rest of Democrats and DNC;

- That thing of course, would be meaning that Brown joins Harris on her ticket.

Wow. So Harris and Brown could form a ticket for the primary.

#FakeNews


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on January 28, 2019, 01:17:18 PM
Wow. So Harris and Brown could form a ticket for the primary.

I'm an enthusiastic Harris backer, but she would instantly lose my support if she actually went with this.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lambsbread on January 28, 2019, 01:54:10 PM
Wow. So Harris and Brown could form a ticket for the primary.

I'm an enthusiastic Harris backer, but she would instantly lose my support if she actually went with this.

Literally why?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on January 28, 2019, 02:09:23 PM

To throw away his Senate seat unnecessarily would reveal a staggering lack good judgment.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lambsbread on January 28, 2019, 02:10:38 PM

To throw away his Senate seat unnecessarily would reveal a staggering lack good judgment.

The White House is more important than the Senate.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on January 28, 2019, 02:17:23 PM
The White House is more important than the Senate.

First of all, I don't entirely agree with that.  Second, it's irrelevant.  Being generous, Brown's name on the ticket might make victory, what, 0.001% more likely?  There are a dozen other people Harris could pick who would have equal if not greater impact who wouldn't also cost Democrats a vital Senate seat.  Brown just isn't that special.  Not worth the trade-off.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Cold War Liberal on January 28, 2019, 02:44:40 PM
Wow. So Harris and Brown could form a ticket for the primary.

I'm an enthusiastic Harris backer, but she would instantly lose my support if she actually went with this.

Literally why?
Brown is boring and why lose a Senate seat for no reason??


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Pollster on January 28, 2019, 03:19:39 PM
I got information from someone (claims to be close to Ohio Democratic Party and DNC) that Sherrod Brown would have guaranteed VP slot to somebody who will win D's primary.

Further informations on that are as follows:

- Brown would be also having a blank cheque whether to run or not in Democratic primaries, it has to be up to him only

- He was offered to be a horse of "Rust Belt Act" (whatever that name means) which is being reportedly in the works

- That guaranteed Brown's VP slot would not only limit to the winner of Dem primaries, but to any other Democratic contender, I was told that he would get also guaranteed VP offers from "everyone" contending Democratic primaries

- That case about losing a Senate seat when choosing Sherrod for VP in 2020 (because Ohio governor is a Republican) was of course being considered, but according to the informations I got the stakes in 2020 are higher than losing a Senate seat, because it goes about presidency, and such decision was taken concerning that problem

Have you ever heard of "Rust Belt Act"?

Here are the latest updates:

- Harris (her person, candidacy and campaign) have been well accepted in the circles close to DNC;

- She's ready to kinda cooperate with DNC along DNC's legislative agenda (if such thing will be suiting her needs and views). This is important, because DNC wants to and plan to coordinate the outlook of the Party with the primary candidates, and wants it all to be made run smoothly (so Bernie Bros wouldn't get DNC support);

- Staffs of Harris and Brown are have to be coordinating calendars of each own to talk around questions of "Rust Belt Act" (of which I mentioned above in the quotation);

- Brown would decide whether to start or not within two months, if he'll decide to run, he'll officially launch (like KH did last day in Oakland) his campaign on May 1st (the Labor Day) in Chicago;

- But if Brown decide not to run, he'll be in Windy City anyway and along with KH would presumably officially unveil "Rust Belt Act" in the name of the rest of Democrats and DNC;

- That thing of course, would be meaning that Brown joins Harris on her ticket.

Wow. So Harris and Brown could form a ticket for the primary.

Addressing this with a grain of salt, but I do see a line of logic here - if Brown teams up with Kamala early on, he can resign his Senate seat and trigger a special election to replace him, in which someone like Tim Ryan could run and hold the seat.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Karpatsky on January 28, 2019, 05:52:03 PM
I got information from someone (claims to be close to Ohio Democratic Party and DNC) that Sherrod Brown would have guaranteed VP slot to somebody who will win D's primary.

Further informations on that are as follows:

- Brown would be also having a blank cheque whether to run or not in Democratic primaries, it has to be up to him only

- He was offered to be a horse of "Rust Belt Act" (whatever that name means) which is being reportedly in the works

- That guaranteed Brown's VP slot would not only limit to the winner of Dem primaries, but to any other Democratic contender, I was told that he would get also guaranteed VP offers from "everyone" contending Democratic primaries

- That case about losing a Senate seat when choosing Sherrod for VP in 2020 (because Ohio governor is a Republican) was of course being considered, but according to the informations I got the stakes in 2020 are higher than losing a Senate seat, because it goes about presidency, and such decision was taken concerning that problem

Have you ever heard of "Rust Belt Act"?

Here are the latest updates:

- Harris (her person, candidacy and campaign) have been well accepted in the circles close to DNC;

- She's ready to kinda cooperate with DNC along DNC's legislative agenda (if such thing will be suiting her needs and views). This is important, because DNC wants to and plan to coordinate the outlook of the Party with the primary candidates, and wants it all to be made run smoothly (so Bernie Bros wouldn't get DNC support);

- Staffs of Harris and Brown are have to be coordinating calendars of each own to talk around questions of "Rust Belt Act" (of which I mentioned above in the quotation);

- Brown would decide whether to start or not within two months, if he'll decide to run, he'll officially launch (like KH did last day in Oakland) his campaign on May 1st (the Labor Day) in Chicago;

- But if Brown decide not to run, he'll be in Windy City anyway and along with KH would presumably officially unveil "Rust Belt Act" in the name of the rest of Democrats and DNC;

- That thing of course, would be meaning that Brown joins Harris on her ticket.

May 1 is way too late for someone polling as low as Brown is to announce, and I find it hard to believe Harris would announce a running mate that early - it would come across as desperate, besides the concerns about the Senate others have noted. How sure are you this source is credible?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on January 28, 2019, 06:04:49 PM
I got information from someone (claims to be close to Ohio Democratic Party and DNC) that Sherrod Brown would have guaranteed VP slot to somebody who will win D's primary.

Further informations on that are as follows:

- Brown would be also having a blank cheque whether to run or not in Democratic primaries, it has to be up to him only

- He was offered to be a horse of "Rust Belt Act" (whatever that name means) which is being reportedly in the works

- That guaranteed Brown's VP slot would not only limit to the winner of Dem primaries, but to any other Democratic contender, I was told that he would get also guaranteed VP offers from "everyone" contending Democratic primaries

- That case about losing a Senate seat when choosing Sherrod for VP in 2020 (because Ohio governor is a Republican) was of course being considered, but according to the informations I got the stakes in 2020 are higher than losing a Senate seat, because it goes about presidency, and such decision was taken concerning that problem

Have you ever heard of "Rust Belt Act"?

Here are the latest updates:

- Harris (her person, candidacy and campaign) have been well accepted in the circles close to DNC;

- She's ready to kinda cooperate with DNC along DNC's legislative agenda (if such thing will be suiting her needs and views). This is important, because DNC wants to and plan to coordinate the outlook of the Party with the primary candidates, and wants it all to be made run smoothly (so Bernie Bros wouldn't get DNC support);

- Staffs of Harris and Brown are have to be coordinating calendars of each own to talk around questions of "Rust Belt Act" (of which I mentioned above in the quotation);

- Brown would decide whether to start or not within two months, if he'll decide to run, he'll officially launch (like KH did last day in Oakland) his campaign on May 1st (the Labor Day) in Chicago;

- But if Brown decide not to run, he'll be in Windy City anyway and along with KH would presumably officially unveil "Rust Belt Act" in the name of the rest of Democrats and DNC;

- That thing of course, would be meaning that Brown joins Harris on her ticket.

May 1 is way too late for someone polling as low as Brown is to announce, and I find it hard to believe Harris would announce a running mate that early - it would come across as desperate, besides the concerns about the Senate others have noted. How sure are you this source is credible?

Because DNC doesn't want a long or bruising primary - the candidate must be chosen as fast as possible. I said last time that Brown staff is fully aware that Dems could lose a Senate seat, but they  had discussed that and jointly reached a conclusion that WH stakes are higher than a Senate seat. That's the explanation that was given to me. Maybe that situation with Dems is just as 2000 GOP primary, when Bush 43 was chosen after Super Tuesday in March, I don't know.



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on January 28, 2019, 06:13:59 PM
Addressing this with a grain of salt, but I do see a line of logic here - if Brown teams up with Kamala early on, he can resign his Senate seat and trigger a special election to replace him, in which someone like Tim Ryan could run and hold the seat.

This is insanity.  Why would Democrats ever risk a hard-to-hold Senate seat, maybe a Senate majority, for a veep nominee who doesn't add anything to the ticket another dozen possible choices couldn't also add.  Madness!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 28, 2019, 06:29:50 PM
Hogan says "never say never" on 2020:

https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2019/01/28/hogan-says-hes-focused-on-maryland-but-to-never-say-never-to-2020-presidential-run/

Quote
“Look, it’s flattering that people are talking like that, but I’m focused on Maryland,” Gov. Hogan said Monday.

But he also hasn’t said that it won’t happen.

“You know, you never say never. You don’t know what’s going to happen over the next two years, or what opportunities may present themselves,” Gov. Hogan said.

In other news, Schultz makes a new hire:




Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Crackhead Mike Lindell on January 28, 2019, 06:54:23 PM
Independents and Republican challengers have some time left in the tank before they decide/ announce. Democrats though? Best hurry up. Horses are in and the paddock doors are closing.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on January 28, 2019, 08:02:27 PM
I got information from someone (claims to be close to Ohio Democratic Party and DNC) that Sherrod Brown would have guaranteed VP slot to somebody who will win D's primary.

Further informations on that are as follows:

- Brown would be also having a blank cheque whether to run or not in Democratic primaries, it has to be up to him only

- He was offered to be a horse of "Rust Belt Act" (whatever that name means) which is being reportedly in the works

- That guaranteed Brown's VP slot would not only limit to the winner of Dem primaries, but to any other Democratic contender, I was told that he would get also guaranteed VP offers from "everyone" contending Democratic primaries

- That case about losing a Senate seat when choosing Sherrod for VP in 2020 (because Ohio governor is a Republican) was of course being considered, but according to the informations I got the stakes in 2020 are higher than losing a Senate seat, because it goes about presidency, and such decision was taken concerning that problem

Have you ever heard of "Rust Belt Act"?

Here are the latest updates:

- Harris (her person, candidacy and campaign) have been well accepted in the circles close to DNC;

- She's ready to kinda cooperate with DNC along DNC's legislative agenda (if such thing will be suiting her needs and views). This is important, because DNC wants to and plan to coordinate the outlook of the Party with the primary candidates, and wants it all to be made run smoothly (so Bernie Bros wouldn't get DNC support);

- Staffs of Harris and Brown are have to be coordinating calendars of each own to talk around questions of "Rust Belt Act" (of which I mentioned above in the quotation);

- Brown would decide whether to start or not within two months, if he'll decide to run, he'll officially launch (like KH did last day in Oakland) his campaign on May 1st (the Labor Day) in Chicago;

- But if Brown decide not to run, he'll be in Windy City anyway and along with KH would presumably officially unveil "Rust Belt Act" in the name of the rest of Democrats and DNC;

- That thing of course, would be meaning that Brown joins Harris on her ticket.

May 1 is way too late for someone polling as low as Brown is to announce, and I find it hard to believe Harris would announce a running mate that early - it would come across as desperate, besides the concerns about the Senate others have noted. How sure are you this source is credible?

Because DNC doesn't want a long or bruising primary - the candidate must be chosen as fast as possible. I said last time that Brown staff is fully aware that Dems could lose a Senate seat, but they  had discussed that and jointly reached a conclusion that WH stakes are higher than a Senate seat. That's the explanation that was given to me. Maybe that situation with Dems is just as 2000 GOP primary, when Bush 43 was chosen after Super Tuesday in March, I don't know.



Yeah Brown's tour seems to completely disprove this. Plus I believe some sources (and even Brown iirc?) have said he'll decide in March. I highly doubt he's going to decide in March and wait until May.

Speaking of him, Brown will be kicking off his Dignity of Work tour at a wholesaler in Brunswick (my suburb) on Wednesday afternoon.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on January 28, 2019, 08:20:56 PM
Addressing this with a grain of salt, but I do see a line of logic here - if Brown teams up with Kamala early on, he can resign his Senate seat and trigger a special election to replace him, in which someone like Tim Ryan could run and hold the seat.

This is insanity.  Why would Democrats ever risk a hard-to-hold Senate seat, maybe a Senate majority, for a veep nominee who doesn't add anything to the ticket another dozen possible choices couldn't also add.  Madness!

I agree. Ohio is slipping away and that makes Brown's seat among the most valuable. It won't diminish my support for Harris if she chooses him though. He's a sought after running mate pick for a reason. But, yes, him staying in the Senate should be a priority. Hell, that's why Clinton didn't pick him. She saw the writing on the wall when it came to the Senate.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: tosk on January 28, 2019, 08:55:00 PM


Holder to decide within 2-3 weeks

actually almost forgot about this. is this the first noise from him we've had in a while?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: History505 on January 28, 2019, 09:02:56 PM


Holder to decide within 2-3 weeks

actually almost forgot about this. is this the first noise from him we've had in a while?
Yep, I was wondering about him a few weeks ago.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on January 28, 2019, 09:04:16 PM


Holder to decide within 2-3 weeks

Lol


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Canis on January 28, 2019, 09:06:46 PM


Holder to decide within 2-3 weeks

Lol
2-3 is also prob how many votes he'll get


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Big Abraham on January 28, 2019, 09:17:51 PM


Holder to decide within 2-3 weeks

Lol
2-3 is also prob how many votes he'll get

Let's not be too generous


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: UWS on January 28, 2019, 10:17:34 PM
Joe Biden closer to decision on 2020

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/28/politics/joe-biden-close-to-2020-decision/index.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: PragmaticPopulist on January 29, 2019, 09:40:22 AM
Not sure if anyone has posted this yet, but this all but confirms that Larry Hogan is considering a 2020 presidential bid. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/as-he-weighs-a-challenge-to-trump-larry-hogan-says-he-offers-a-model-of-bipartisanship-thats-only-partly-true/2019/01/27/bf8d43ba-1a69-11e9-88fe-f9f77a3bcb6c_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d6928b8b1fd4

The biggest vulnerability I see for him is that he could be attacked as being unprincipled. He's flip-flopped countless times when it was politically convenient.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 29, 2019, 10:01:45 AM
Flake: "I will not be a candidate":

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeff-flake-former-gop-arizona-senator-will-not-be-a-candidate-in-2020/

Quote
Former Sen. Jeff Flake will not be running in the 2020 presidential race, he confirmed Tuesday on "CBS This Morning." The Republican from Arizona, who is joining CBS News as a contributor, said "there really isn't a path right now" that he could see.

"I've always said that I do hope that there is a Republican who challenges the president in the primary. I still hope that somebody does, but that somebody won't be me. I will not be a candidate," Flake said on "CBS This Morning."

Describing it as a difficult path, Flake said "the RNC and the president's campaign are now melded."

"They're trying to do everything they can to squelch any opposition," Flake said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 29, 2019, 10:27:33 AM
Booker:

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2019/01/28/cory-booker-iowa-staff-hires-2020-run-campaign-election-bid-frosolone-ohern-seger-hager-president/2688277002/

Quote
Cory Booker is finalizing the leadership of a potential Iowa campaign team — an indication the New Jersey senator is moving closer to announcing a run for president.

According to a source familiar with the process, Booker will hire, should he run, a team of high-profile Iowa staffers that includes Mike Frosolone, Haley Hager, Joe O'Hern and Tess Seger.
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Booker's national campaign manager would be Addisu Demissie, who also has Iowa ties. Demissie was in the state for two caucus cycles, working as a Polk County organizer for John Kerry in 2004 and as a deputy field director for Hillary Clinton in 2008.

Booker has long been expected to enter the 2020 presidential race, and on Twitter last week told his followers, "I will let you know soon" about a decision.

Biden:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/01/democratic-ex-presidents-expected-to-sit-out-2020-primaries.html

Quote
Meanwhile Joe Biden’s team has — very carefully, wary of making too many waves — been making some Iowa calls of its own. Multiple members of his team, including aide Greg Schultz, have been keeping in touch with Jim Mowrer, who lost Iowa’s Democratic primary for secretary of state last year and unsuccessfully took on Representative Steve King before that. Biden’s orbit has been in touch with Mowrer for years: He was friends with Beau Biden, and led the Iowa Veterans for Biden group backing Joe ahead of his 2008 run.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Grassroots on January 29, 2019, 11:23:39 AM
Wow. So Harris and Brown could form a ticket for the primary.

I'm an enthusiastic Harris backer, but she would instantly lose my support if she actually went with this.

Lol not elitist enough?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Flyersfan232 on January 29, 2019, 03:46:44 PM
Flake: "I will not be a candidate":

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeff-flake-former-gop-arizona-senator-will-not-be-a-candidate-in-2020/

Quote
Former Sen. Jeff Flake will not be running in the 2020 presidential race, he confirmed Tuesday on "CBS This Morning." The Republican from Arizona, who is joining CBS News as a contributor, said "there really isn't a path right now" that he could see.

"I've always said that I do hope that there is a Republican who challenges the president in the primary. I still hope that somebody does, but that somebody won't be me. I will not be a candidate," Flake said on "CBS This Morning."

Describing it as a difficult path, Flake said "the RNC and the president's campaign are now melded."

"They're trying to do everything they can to squelch any opposition," Flake said.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 29, 2019, 03:48:33 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on January 29, 2019, 03:54:42 PM


Can he just not?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Harlow on January 29, 2019, 05:39:35 PM
Flake: "I will not be a candidate":

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeff-flake-former-gop-arizona-senator-will-not-be-a-candidate-in-2020/

Quote
Former Sen. Jeff Flake will not be running in the 2020 presidential race, he confirmed Tuesday on "CBS This Morning." The Republican from Arizona, who is joining CBS News as a contributor, said "there really isn't a path right now" that he could see.

"I've always said that I do hope that there is a Republican who challenges the president in the primary. I still hope that somebody does, but that somebody won't be me. I will not be a candidate," Flake said on "CBS This Morning."

Describing it as a difficult path, Flake said "the RNC and the president's campaign are now melded."

"They're trying to do everything they can to squelch any opposition," Flake said.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I am shocked. :| Who could have ever thought Flake would flake.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Unbeatable Titan Susan Collins on January 29, 2019, 06:37:08 PM
Garcetti is out per politico. Announcement to come at 8pm local time. Clears way for Harris to be sole CA candidate.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/29/eric-garcetti-will-not-run-for-president-1136400   


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on January 29, 2019, 06:40:07 PM
Garcetti is out per politico. Announcement to come at 8pm local time. Clears way for Harris to be sole CA candidate.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/29/eric-garcetti-will-not-run-for-president-1136400   

What are the chances he replaces her in the Senate if she goes to the White House?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Roll Roons on January 29, 2019, 06:43:26 PM
Garcetti is out per politico. Announcement to come at 8pm local time. Clears way for Harris to be sole CA candidate.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/29/eric-garcetti-will-not-run-for-president-1136400   

What are the chances he replaces her in the Senate if she goes to the White House?

I think he could get a Cabinet position. Between HUD and Transportation, Garcetti can have one and Buttigieg can have the other.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Askew on January 29, 2019, 06:47:13 PM
Garcetti is out per politico. Announcement to come at 8pm local time. Clears way for Harris to be sole CA candidate.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/29/eric-garcetti-will-not-run-for-president-1136400   

What are the chances he replaces her in the Senate if she goes to the White House?

Slim. I don't think Newsom appoints a man to fill a woman's seat. It will be another woman and likely a minority one.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lambsbread on January 29, 2019, 07:27:25 PM


This tells me that he's taken all the backlash to heart. His tone in recent days has been that he wanted to get into the race imminently. Like, February or March imminently.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Crackhead Mike Lindell on January 29, 2019, 07:28:40 PM
Garcetti is out per politico. Announcement to come at 8pm local time. Clears way for Harris to be sole CA candidate.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/29/eric-garcetti-will-not-run-for-president-1136400   

One Eric out, two still in the mix. Swalwell's still VERY likely to run though, in my opinion, and he's a Californian.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on January 29, 2019, 07:55:32 PM
Garcetti is out per politico. Announcement to come at 8pm local time. Clears way for Harris to be sole CA candidate.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/29/eric-garcetti-will-not-run-for-president-1136400   

One Eric out, two still in the mix. Swalwell's still VERY likely to run though, in my opinion, and he's a Californian.

He's also super irrelevant lol


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on January 29, 2019, 07:58:28 PM
Garcetti is out per politico. Announcement to come at 8pm local time. Clears way for Harris to be sole CA candidate.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/29/eric-garcetti-will-not-run-for-president-1136400   

One Eric out, two still in the mix. Swalwell's still VERY likely to run though, in my opinion, and he's a Californian.

He's also super irrelevant lol

Well, he is more relevant than Holder.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: John Dule on January 29, 2019, 08:01:40 PM
Garcetti is out per politico. Announcement to come at 8pm local time. Clears way for Harris to be sole CA candidate.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/29/eric-garcetti-will-not-run-for-president-1136400   

One Eric out, two still in the mix. Swalwell's still VERY likely to run though, in my opinion, and he's a Californian.

He's also super irrelevant lol

Well, he is more relevant than Holder.

Just to be clear, we're talking about the guy who Tweeted about plausibly using nuclear bombs on American citizens, right?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on January 29, 2019, 09:03:38 PM
Garcetti is out per politico. Announcement to come at 8pm local time. Clears way for Harris to be sole CA candidate.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/29/eric-garcetti-will-not-run-for-president-1136400   

Goodbye, establishment Democrat #4,754,382 to consider running in 2020.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 30, 2019, 12:25:31 AM
Garcetti is out per politico. Announcement to come at 8pm local time. Clears way for Harris to be sole CA candidate.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/29/eric-garcetti-will-not-run-for-president-1136400   

Here's his announcement:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/29/los-angeles-mayor-eric-garcetti-2020-election

Quote
“I have decided not to throw my hat into the ring to run for president in 2020,” the mayor told reporters on Tuesday outside Los Angeles city hall. “This was not an easy decision, given the extraordinary times that we live in.”

But explaining his decision to remain in his current job, the 57-year-old added: “I realised that this is what I am meant to do and this is where I want to be.”

Podesta says he believes Clinton isn't running:

https://www.kesq.com/news/politics/podesta-takes-clinton-at-word-shes-not-running-in-2020/994952530

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"I take her at her word," Podesta told CNN's Erin Burnett on "Erin Burnett OutFront."

"She's not running for president -- we've got a lot of great candidates out there right now, and I think the Democratic primary is going to be a spirited one with a lot of great ideas coming forward."

Klobuchar:

https://fullmagazine.us/sen-klobuchar-will-decide-on-2020-bid-shortly/

Quote
Klobuchar, in a Tuesday interview on CNN’s “New Day,” said she will make a decision “shortly” on whether to make a White House bid.

“The key for the American people will be to look at the candidates and say: ‘Who can win?’” she said.

She maintained the ideal candidate was somebody who “captures our imagination and is going to have ideas to bring us forward on a positive optimistic agenda for the county.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 30, 2019, 12:27:22 AM
Joe Biden closer to decision on 2020

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/28/politics/joe-biden-close-to-2020-decision/index.html

Here's the relevant quote:

Quote
"The answer is that I'm running the traps on this. I don't want to make this a fool's errand," Biden said during an event in Fort Lauderdale. "I'm a lot closer than I was before Christmas, and we'll make the decision soon."
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"The one thing that's for certain is we are in my view in a battle for America's soul," Biden said. "I'm making a decision now whether or not I'm the right person because it's important, it's critically important that we change the atmosphere."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 30, 2019, 12:48:54 AM
And now, one day after saying "we'll make the decision soon", Biden says "I don't have any particular timetable":

https://wtvr.com/2019/01/29/joe-biden-says-hes-in-no-hurry-to-make-a-2020-announcement/

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I don’t think there’s any hurry to have to announce,” Biden said as he was deplaning a flight from Fort Lauderdale, Florida, to Washington Dulles International Airport Tuesday morning. “I don’t have any particular timetable. I don’t think there’s any hurry, but there’s a bigger hurry to decide just personally.”

Asked how his family currently feels about a run, Biden, who was seated in business class, said, “They’re thinking.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on January 30, 2019, 05:39:23 AM
And now, one day after saying "we'll make the decision soon", Biden says "I don't have any particular timetable":

https://wtvr.com/2019/01/29/joe-biden-says-hes-in-no-hurry-to-make-a-2020-announcement/

Quote
I don’t think there’s any hurry to have to announce,” Biden said as he was deplaning a flight from Fort Lauderdale, Florida, to Washington Dulles International Airport Tuesday morning. “I don’t have any particular timetable. I don’t think there’s any hurry, but there’s a bigger hurry to decide just personally.”

Asked how his family currently feels about a run, Biden, who was seated in business class, said, “They’re thinking.”


His aides should convince him to write a doctoral thesis about how to delay his decision on whether to start or not after he'll end his procrastination major!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 30, 2019, 11:20:30 AM
Klobuchar will speak at the Gridiron dinner on March 2nd:

https://www.rollcall.com/news/hoh/sens-kennedy-and-klobuchar-will-hit-the-gridiron-stage


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Flyersfan232 on January 30, 2019, 11:26:51 AM
I got information from someone (claims to be close to Ohio Democratic Party and DNC) that Sherrod Brown would have guaranteed VP slot to somebody who will win D's primary.

Further informations on that are as follows:

- Brown would be also having a blank cheque whether to run or not in Democratic primaries, it has to be up to him only

- He was offered to be a horse of "Rust Belt Act" (whatever that name means) which is being reportedly in the works

- That guaranteed Brown's VP slot would not only limit to the winner of Dem primaries, but to any other Democratic contender, I was told that he would get also guaranteed VP offers from "everyone" contending Democratic primaries

- That case about losing a Senate seat when choosing Sherrod for VP in 2020 (because Ohio governor is a Republican) was of course being considered, but according to the informations I got the stakes in 2020 are higher than losing a Senate seat, because it goes about presidency, and such decision was taken concerning that problem

Have you ever heard of "Rust Belt Act"?

Here are the latest updates:

- Harris (her person, candidacy and campaign) have been well accepted in the circles close to DNC;

- She's ready to kinda cooperate with DNC along DNC's legislative agenda (if such thing will be suiting her needs and views). This is important, because DNC wants to and plan to coordinate the outlook of the Party with the primary candidates, and wants it all to be made run smoothly (so Bernie Bros wouldn't get DNC support);

- Staffs of Harris and Brown are have to be coordinating calendars of each own to talk around questions of "Rust Belt Act" (of which I mentioned above in the quotation);

- Brown would decide whether to start or not within two months, if he'll decide to run, he'll officially launch (like KH did last day in Oakland) his campaign on May 1st (the Labor Day) in Chicago;

- But if Brown decide not to run, he'll be in Windy City anyway and along with KH would presumably officially unveil "Rust Belt Act" in the name of the rest of Democrats and DNC;

- That thing of course, would be meaning that Brown joins Harris on her ticket.

Wow. So Harris and Brown could form a ticket for the primary.

Addressing this with a grain of salt, but I do see a line of logic here - if Brown teams up with Kamala early on, he can resign his Senate seat and trigger a special election to replace him, in which someone like Tim Ryan could run and hold the seat.
and if they win they loose the seat.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 30, 2019, 03:26:46 PM
Bennet is doing targeted FB ads in the early primary states:

https://patch.com/colorado/denver/sen-bennet-s-viral-senate-smackdown-runs-4-key-primary-states

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Colorado Sen. Michael Bennet made a splash last week for furiously lashing out at Sen. Ted Cruz on the U.S. Senate floor, accusing the Texas Republican of crying "crocodile tears" over workers impacted by the government shutdown.

That same day, the potential presidential candidate's Senate campaign launched ads touting his speech in crucial primary states, according to a review of Facebook's political advertisements.

Those ads targeted users in Iowa, South Carolina, Nevada and New Hampshire, according to Facebook data. And they ran as Bennet remains publicly noncommittal about his plans for a bid to unseat President Trump in 2020.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 30, 2019, 04:16:04 PM
Swalwell:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/30/politics/swalwell-2020/index.html

Quote
Rep. Eric Swalwell told CNN that he is close to making a decision about whether he plans to make a run for the White House in the 2020 campaign.

"I'm close to making a decision. I'll be in New Hampshire tomorrow, so I'm excited for that," the California Democrat told CNN as he walked off the House floor Wednesday.
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Swalwell said family considerations were among the factors he was weighing when considering a run.

"I've got two kids under 2. This week I'm a single dad -- my wife is on the road working -- and so it's good for me to see what the toll is on her. She's doing her job and taking care of her kids," he said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 30, 2019, 05:04:19 PM
Inslee's PAC is looking to hire for some new positions:

https://www.seattlepi.com/local/politics/article/Inslee-hiring-2020-presidential-bid-climate-change-13574459.php

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Gov. Jay Inslee is ramping up his 2020 presidential campaign and advertising for new hires.

The "Vision PAC," created to fuel Inslee's longshot bid for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination, is staffing up and recruiting a few good people who can run a race with laser-focus on climate change.

The Governor's consultant, Newman Partners, has put up positions of Social Media Manager, Digital Director, and regional fundraisers. The job descriptions make it clear: The warming of the planet will be Inslee's issue.

The goal is to draw a "national audience" and create a "national conversation" about climate, something that nobody running for the Democratic or Republican presidential nomination has succeeded in doing.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 30, 2019, 08:33:33 PM
Weld "could make an announcement" as soon as tomorrow:

https://www.wcvb.com/article/former-mass-gov-william-weld-to-announce-possible-run-for-president/26092546

Quote
William Weld, the former Republican governor of Massachusetts who was the Libertarian Party's nominee for vice president in 2016, is mulling a run for president and could make an announcement about a possible presidential run as soon as Thursday.

Sources tell NewsCenter 5 he has taken a leave of absence from his law firm and it is unclear whether he is announcing the run or announcing the formation of an exploratory committee.

The news was first reported by WCVB's On The Record co-anchor Janet Wu, who has learned any possible run would be made as a Republican.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Canis on January 30, 2019, 09:07:08 PM
I heard weld is thinking of challenging trump in the GOP primary how far do you think he goes there als I respect weld a lot but theirs not a chance in hell im voting for him


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 30, 2019, 10:06:12 PM
Schultz is planning trips to the early primary states for some reason:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/30/howard-schultz-likely-to-visit-early-primary-states-as-he-considers-2020-run.html

Not sure he realizes that there are no primaries if you’re running as an independent.

I heard weld is thinking of challenging trump in the GOP primary

Well, I did post that news just one post above yours, so....


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on January 30, 2019, 10:11:33 PM
Weld might max out at 5%, if the GOP even allows polling - let alone actual primary elections.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: sparkey on January 30, 2019, 11:03:27 PM
I'm trying to make sense of these reports that Weld will announce as a Republican despite having been active nowhere but in the Libertarian Party since his 2016 VP run. I can think of these justifications:

1. He wants to run as a Republican first and thinks it will be easy to switch to the Libertarian Party as a backup, ala Gary Johnson 2012.
2. He figures that he will get much more attention being the first primary challenger to Trump than he will get announcing as a Libertarian off the bat, regardless of which party he ends up running with.
3. He knows of a strong challenger planning to run for the LP nomination who would clean his clock (Amash?) and thinks a losing effort for the LP nomination isn't worth anything.
4. Some combination of 1, 2, and 3.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Crackhead Mike Lindell on January 30, 2019, 11:14:08 PM
Schultz is planning trips to the early primary states for some reason:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/30/howard-schultz-likely-to-visit-early-primary-states-as-he-considers-2020-run.html

Not sure he realizes that there are no primaries if you’re running as an independent.

Hahaha what on earth is this man doing


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on January 31, 2019, 01:15:30 AM
I'm trying to make sense of these reports that Weld will announce as a Republican despite having been active nowhere but in the Libertarian Party since his 2016 VP run. I can think of these justifications:

1. He wants to run as a Republican first and thinks it will be easy to switch to the Libertarian Party as a backup, ala Gary Johnson 2012.
2. He figures that he will get much more attention being the first primary challenger to Trump than he will get announcing as a Libertarian off the bat, regardless of which party he ends up running with.
3. He knows of a strong challenger planning to run for the LP nomination who would clean his clock (Amash?) and thinks a losing effort for the LP nomination isn't worth anything.
4. Some combination of 1, 2, and 3.

Either 3 or 1.

I think #3 is most likely. To only private knowledge, Justin Amash or Patrick Byrne has announced to inner circles their intention to run, and Weld is smart enough to know he'd get crushed in a convention.

Or #1. He knows the field will consist of child pedophilia apologist Arvin Vohra, often arrestee Adam Kokesh, and guy whose campaign is ran by his wife, a comedian, and a 20-something-year-old John McAfee. So he'll primary Trump and gain a bunch of donations and a base, and then convert back to the LP and win at the convention because he'll be the party's best chance.

By the way, I would like #1 to happen because it would fulfill Darryl W. Perry's prophecy of the party dying, lol. Perry 2024 would be all but confirmed.



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: bilaps on January 31, 2019, 08:15:07 AM
Schultz is planning trips to the early primary states for some reason:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/30/howard-schultz-likely-to-visit-early-primary-states-as-he-considers-2020-run.html

Not sure he realizes that there are no primaries if you’re running as an independent.




Meghan McCain asked him incredibly dumb question on the View how come he's not in IA or NH rather than spending time on national tv, maybe he thought it was a good question.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lambsbread on January 31, 2019, 10:09:59 AM
Schultz is planning trips to the early primary states for some reason:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/30/howard-schultz-likely-to-visit-early-primary-states-as-he-considers-2020-run.html

Not sure he realizes that there are no primaries if you’re running as an independent.

Oh my god, he's managing to out-Trump Trump.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: mgop on January 31, 2019, 10:17:26 AM
schultz have every right to run. he can win in washington state in general election.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lambsbread on January 31, 2019, 10:19:08 AM
schultz have every right to run. he can win in washington state in general election.

No he doesn't and no he can't.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: History505 on January 31, 2019, 10:27:30 AM
 https://theweek.com/speedreads/820918/michael-bloomberg-reportedly-wont-run-president-2020-joe-biden-does (https://theweek.com/speedreads/820918/michael-bloomberg-reportedly-wont-run-president-2020-joe-biden-does)
Advisers to Bloomberg think he won't run if Biden decides to run.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Alabama_Indy10 on January 31, 2019, 10:29:35 AM
schultz have every right to run. he can win in washington state in general election.

Stop


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Xeuma on January 31, 2019, 10:33:45 AM
schultz have every right to run. he can win in washington state in general election.

Yeah and if I run I'll win Ohio. No.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on January 31, 2019, 11:16:05 AM
schultz have every right to run. he can win in washington state in general election.

After selling the Supersonics? No way


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 31, 2019, 12:49:41 PM
Weld "could make an announcement" as soon as tomorrow:

https://www.wcvb.com/article/former-mass-gov-william-weld-to-announce-possible-run-for-president/26092546

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William Weld, the former Republican governor of Massachusetts who was the Libertarian Party's nominee for vice president in 2016, is mulling a run for president and could make an announcement about a possible presidential run as soon as Thursday.

Sources tell NewsCenter 5 he has taken a leave of absence from his law firm and it is unclear whether he is announcing the run or announcing the formation of an exploratory committee.

The news was first reported by WCVB's On The Record co-anchor Janet Wu, who has learned any possible run would be made as a Republican.


Weld says the above report is false on both counts: He hasn't left his law firm, and he's not announcing anything today:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2019/01/31/weld-eyes-presidential-campaign-but-will-libertarian-republican/z3lDOxAb1XVJGvGnhANF5J/story.html

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Weld is declining to detail his thinking for now, and is expected to reveal more of his plans when he speaks on Feb. 15 at Politics & Eggs, a traditional stop for would-be presidential candidates in New Hampshire. He has flatly denied a WCVB-TV report that he has taken a leave from his law firm, Mintz Levin, and is planning to announce a presidential campaign as soon as Thursday.

“No, not correct, either item,” he wrote in an e-mail to the Globe Wednesday night.

Stephen Toccco, a Weld friend and chairman of ML Strategies, Mintz’s lobbying arm, also batted down the report, writing in an e-mail, “He did not take a leave and has not made a decision.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 31, 2019, 01:37:52 PM
Wayne Messam, the mayor of Miramar, Florida, is considering a run for the Democratic nomination for president(!):

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article225201075.html

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In a scenario that some political consultants have called “far-fetched” and “absurd,” Messam — the mostly ceremonial mayor of a west Broward city of 140,000 and owner of a construction firm — has been pondering a run for president. The Miami Herald confirmed that he sought out meetings and advice during the recent U.S. Conference of Mayors in Washington after, an adviser says, he received encouragement from unnamed politicians, consultants and activists.

“I think he’s starting to look at staff, especially in early states, and some key folks around him,” said Cory Alpert, a political consultant and adviser to Conference of Mayors president Steve Benjamin. Alpert said he had dinner with Messam during the late-January conference. “I’m not getting the sense that he has folks on the ground already or even has concrete roles for any particular people lined out. I’m getting the sense that he’s having those conversations with some of the operatives and key endorsers in those early states to kind of suss out what that looks like.”

Messam did not respond to requests for comment.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Grassroots on January 31, 2019, 01:59:57 PM
Wayne Messam, the mayor of Miramar, Florida, is considering a run for the Democratic nomination for president(!):

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article225201075.html

Quote
In a scenario that some political consultants have called “far-fetched” and “absurd,” Messam — the mostly ceremonial mayor of a west Broward city of 140,000 and owner of a construction firm — has been pondering a run for president. The Miami Herald confirmed that he sought out meetings and advice during the recent U.S. Conference of Mayors in Washington after, an adviser says, he received encouragement from unnamed politicians, consultants and activists.

“I think he’s starting to look at staff, especially in early states, and some key folks around him,” said Cory Alpert, a political consultant and adviser to Conference of Mayors president Steve Benjamin. Alpert said he had dinner with Messam during the late-January conference. “I’m not getting the sense that he has folks on the ground already or even has concrete roles for any particular people lined out. I’m getting the sense that he’s having those conversations with some of the operatives and key endorsers in those early states to kind of suss out what that looks like.”

Messam did not respond to requests for comment.


Stop giving these attention seekers what they want.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on January 31, 2019, 02:12:57 PM
What do you think guys if Clintons would accept Schultz and try to promote him?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on January 31, 2019, 02:59:39 PM
What do you think guys if Clintons would accept Schultz and try to promote him?

The Revenge Of The Clintons: Written In The Starbucks


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: JG on January 31, 2019, 03:44:37 PM
What do you think guys if Clintons would accept Schultz and try to promote him?

Why would the Clintons do such a thing? They have basically spent their life building up the Democratic party.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 31, 2019, 03:56:02 PM
Beto stopped raising money after he lost and hasn't met donors yet. (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/beto-orourke-mulling-2020-run-not-raising-money/581758/)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Harlow on January 31, 2019, 03:56:55 PM
Schultz is planning trips to the early primary states for some reason:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/30/howard-schultz-likely-to-visit-early-primary-states-as-he-considers-2020-run.html

Not sure he realizes that there are no primaries if you’re running as an independent.

Hahaha what on earth is this man doing

This makes me think he has no actual intention of running as an independent (or at all), and it's just an attention-seeking ploy to get his ideas out there and shift the tone of the Democratic primary to be more moderate. Purely speculation, of course.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: President Johnson on January 31, 2019, 03:58:27 PM
Beto stopped raising money after he lost and hasn't met donors yet. (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/beto-orourke-mulling-2020-run-not-raising-money/581758/)

I think it's fair to say now that he is very likely not running.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Roll Roons on January 31, 2019, 04:05:18 PM
Beto stopped raising money after he lost and hasn't met donors yet. (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/beto-orourke-mulling-2020-run-not-raising-money/581758/)

I think it's fair to say now that he is very likely not running.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/29/opinions/beto-orourke-is-driving-the-political-class-nuts-axelrod/index.html

Axelrod thinks he might be, but he's just being "Beto" and taking a completely unconventional approach with his road trip. There's still his Times Square interview with Oprah next week, which makes me think he's not out of the running just yet.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 31, 2019, 05:02:11 PM
The Root has an interview with Booker that they released this afternoon, in which he says he’ll make a decision “some time in the next month”:

https://www.theroot.com/cory-booker-to-announce-decision-on-presidential-run-in-1832201108

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The Root: So, you know, I’m going to ask you. Are you runnin’ or naw?

Senator Cory Booker: I will let you know soon. I’ll make a decision in the next couple weeks, some time in the next month.

TR: What are some of the things you are weighing about whether or not you should run? What are those factors?

CB: A lot of it’s just a lot of personal consideration, and it’s not a process that I’m going through publicly. But look, I’m closer and closer to running, and I feel a real sense of urgency about this moment in American history. I think a lot of us do. And so, that’s one of the things that’s really compelling me to run.

Wayne Messam, the mayor of Miramar, Florida, is considering a run for the Democratic nomination for president(!):

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article225201075.html

Quote
In a scenario that some political consultants have called “far-fetched” and “absurd,” Messam — the mostly ceremonial mayor of a west Broward city of 140,000 and owner of a construction firm — has been pondering a run for president. The Miami Herald confirmed that he sought out meetings and advice during the recent U.S. Conference of Mayors in Washington after, an adviser says, he received encouragement from unnamed politicians, consultants and activists.

“I think he’s starting to look at staff, especially in early states, and some key folks around him,” said Cory Alpert, a political consultant and adviser to Conference of Mayors president Steve Benjamin. Alpert said he had dinner with Messam during the late-January conference. “I’m not getting the sense that he has folks on the ground already or even has concrete roles for any particular people lined out. I’m getting the sense that he’s having those conversations with some of the operatives and key endorsers in those early states to kind of suss out what that looks like.”

Messam did not respond to requests for comment.


Stop giving these attention seekers what they want.

I'm sure Messam reads uselectionatlas.org to see who is talking about him.  That's the reason for his teasing a presidential run.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Crackhead Mike Lindell on January 31, 2019, 05:15:23 PM
Bit odd that Massem doesn't even have a wikipedia page


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: PaperKooper on January 31, 2019, 05:43:22 PM
I, for one, enjoy your thoroughness, Mr. Morden, and hope you continue it.  This thread is a great resource for staying abreast of all the news and speculation. 


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Roll Roons on January 31, 2019, 05:54:21 PM
The Root has an interview with Booker that they released this afternoon, in which he says he’ll make a decision “some time in the next month”:

https://www.theroot.com/cory-booker-to-announce-decision-on-presidential-run-in-1832201108

Quote
The Root: So, you know, I’m going to ask you. Are you runnin’ or naw?

Senator Cory Booker: I will let you know soon. I’ll make a decision in the next couple weeks, some time in the next month.

TR: What are some of the things you are weighing about whether or not you should run? What are those factors?

CB: A lot of it’s just a lot of personal consideration, and it’s not a process that I’m going through publicly. But look, I’m closer and closer to running, and I feel a real sense of urgency about this moment in American history. I think a lot of us do. And so, that’s one of the things that’s really compelling me to run.

Wayne Messam, the mayor of Miramar, Florida, is considering a run for the Democratic nomination for president(!):

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article225201075.html

Quote
In a scenario that some political consultants have called “far-fetched” and “absurd,” Messam — the mostly ceremonial mayor of a west Broward city of 140,000 and owner of a construction firm — has been pondering a run for president. The Miami Herald confirmed that he sought out meetings and advice during the recent U.S. Conference of Mayors in Washington after, an adviser says, he received encouragement from unnamed politicians, consultants and activists.

“I think he’s starting to look at staff, especially in early states, and some key folks around him,” said Cory Alpert, a political consultant and adviser to Conference of Mayors president Steve Benjamin. Alpert said he had dinner with Messam during the late-January conference. “I’m not getting the sense that he has folks on the ground already or even has concrete roles for any particular people lined out. I’m getting the sense that he’s having those conversations with some of the operatives and key endorsers in those early states to kind of suss out what that looks like.”

Messam did not respond to requests for comment.


Stop giving these attention seekers what they want.

I'm sure Messam reads uselectionatlas.org to see who is talking about him.  That's the reason for his teasing a presidential run.


I wouldn't be surprised if there are a lot of small time politicians who lurk or even post on here.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: wjx987 on January 31, 2019, 07:18:55 PM
this whole thing w/ Wayne Messam is hilarious and as a son of Broward I am thoroughly enjoying it


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ViaActiva on January 31, 2019, 08:02:35 PM
Beto stopped raising money after he lost and hasn't met donors yet. (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/beto-orourke-mulling-2020-run-not-raising-money/581758/)

I think it's fair to say now that he is very likely not running.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/29/opinions/beto-orourke-is-driving-the-political-class-nuts-axelrod/index.html

Axelrod thinks he might be, but he's just being "Beto" and taking a completely unconventional approach with his road trip. There's still his Times Square interview with Oprah next week, which makes me think he's not out of the running just yet.

Sarah Palin 2012 comes to mind...


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joe Biden 2024 on January 31, 2019, 09:59:32 PM
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/427980-booker-seeks-support-from-lawmakers-as-he-informs-them-he-is-running-for

Congressional sources are saying that Booker is going to run and is working to get support from members of Congress.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 31, 2019, 10:52:42 PM
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/427980-booker-seeks-support-from-lawmakers-as-he-informs-them-he-is-running-for

Congressional sources are saying that Booker is going to run and is working to get support from members of Congress.

On the timeline:

Quote
"Yes, he is reaching out to members for their support,” said a former Democratic aide with direct knowledge of Booker’s intentions. "He's going to do it during Black History Month,” which starts on Friday.

“I don't know if it's going to be tomorrow, I just know it's going to be soon."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 01, 2019, 12:03:48 AM
Despite what that story from yesterday said about Weld announcing his 2020 plans today, he insists that he's not going to say anything more about it until his NH appearance on Feb. 15th:



https://www.wmur.com/article/former-massachusetts-gov-weld-says-hell-discuss-presidential-plans-in-nh-on-feb-15/26102252

Quote
Weld, in an email to WMUR, wrote: “I’m not going to have anything to say until my talk at Politics and Eggs in N.H. on February 15.” The NHIOP and New England Council announced Weld’s scheduled speaking engagement last week.

Weld then wrote in response to a follow-up email that after the Feb. 15 appearance, “we plan to be back before long.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: brucejoel99 on February 01, 2019, 03:23:42 AM
this whole thing w/ Wayne Messam is hilarious and as a son of Broward I am thoroughly enjoying it


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on February 01, 2019, 04:44:23 AM
Doubt Booker announces on a Friday or Super Bowl weekend, next week is the SOTU so probably not then either.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: mgop on February 01, 2019, 05:59:02 AM
biden said he will decide until end of january. here's february, so he probably will not run. i really think that he and sanders shouldn't run.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Comrade Funk on February 01, 2019, 07:18:02 AM
Doubt Booker announces on a Friday or Super Bowl weekend, next week is the SOTU so probably not then either.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on February 01, 2019, 07:54:38 AM
Booker is my Harris support backup.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lambsbread on February 01, 2019, 09:28:01 AM
Doubt Booker announces on a Friday or Super Bowl weekend, next week is the SOTU so probably not then either.

Boy, this aged like milk.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: UWS on February 01, 2019, 10:44:35 AM
biden said he will decide until end of january. here's february, so he probably will not run. i really think that he and sanders shouldn't run.

Actually, Biden said that he will make up his mind by February personally and officially announce in the coming weeks/months.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ○∙◄☻Ątπ[╪AV┼cVę└ on February 01, 2019, 11:25:02 AM
The Root has an interview with Booker that they released this afternoon, in which he says he’ll make a decision “some time in the next month”:

Well, he's not Biden, who after a month still hasn't actually made a decision.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on February 01, 2019, 05:31:25 PM
If you're interested I got some new information about Democratic primaries like I was posting them before:

- There was videoconference between Booker, Perez (DNC boss) and Brown, Brown still "tests the waters" about his possible run and he currently is doing some exploring in Iowa;

- That "Rust Belt Act" I was mentioning few times earlier, is currently finished in a draft version;

- Brown would choose within next few weeks who to side with to brand "Rust Belt Act" (that decision would be very important on the future of his possible campaign, the person he chooses to brand "Rust Belt Act" will be most likely his running mate or he will be that person's running mate);

- That person (my source of information) would be preferring Booker to Harris (that person calls Booker and Harris "most serious" primary candidates) because Booker is "more keen on Washington" to Kamala and he's also more consistent in his words.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: aaroncd107 on February 01, 2019, 06:23:01 PM
If you're interested I got some new information about Democratic primaries like I was posting them before:

- There was videoconference between Booker, Perez (DNC boss) and Brown, Brown still "tests the waters" about his possible run and he currently is doing some exploring in Iowa;

- That "Rust Belt Act" I was mentioning few times earlier, is currently finished in a draft version;

- Brown would choose within next few weeks who to side with to brand "Rust Belt Act" (that decision would be very important on the future of his possible campaign, the person he chooses to brand "Rust Belt Act" will be most likely his running mate or he will be that person's running mate);

- That person (my source of information) would be preferring Booker to Harris (that person calls Booker and Harris "most serious" primary candidates) because Booker is "more keen on Washington" to Kamala and he's also more consistent in his words.

Is Rust Belt Act a... bill? program? labor thing? strategy? What is the deal with it?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on February 01, 2019, 10:04:32 PM
If you're interested I got some new information about Democratic primaries like I was posting them before:

- There was videoconference between Booker, Perez (DNC boss) and Brown, Brown still "tests the waters" about his possible run and he currently is doing some exploring in Iowa;

- That "Rust Belt Act" I was mentioning few times earlier, is currently finished in a draft version;

- Brown would choose within next few weeks who to side with to brand "Rust Belt Act" (that decision would be very important on the future of his possible campaign, the person he chooses to brand "Rust Belt Act" will be most likely his running mate or he will be that person's running mate);

- That person (my source of information) would be preferring Booker to Harris (that person calls Booker and Harris "most serious" primary candidates) because Booker is "more keen on Washington" to Kamala and he's also more consistent in his words.

Choosing Booker over Harris would be the biggest mistake of his career.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on February 01, 2019, 10:58:52 PM
This is a few days old, but I didn't find it on here, so perhaps it went under the radar.

According to John Podesta, Hillary is out in terms of 2020.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/30/hillary-clinton-2020-election-1136435


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 01, 2019, 11:37:30 PM
This is a few days old, but I didn't find it on here, so perhaps it went under the radar.

It was posted in this thread, in this post:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=303677.msg6647940#msg6647940


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 02, 2019, 01:11:56 AM
Swalwell was in NH yesterday, and sounded like he was already in:



He’ll be back in NH once again on Feb. 25th for “Politics and Eggs”:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/eric-swalwell-to-appear-at-new-hampshire-politics-and-eggs-event


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on February 02, 2019, 06:53:36 AM
If you're interested I got some new information about Democratic primaries like I was posting them before:

- There was videoconference between Booker, Perez (DNC boss) and Brown, Brown still "tests the waters" about his possible run and he currently is doing some exploring in Iowa;

- That "Rust Belt Act" I was mentioning few times earlier, is currently finished in a draft version;

- Brown would choose within next few weeks who to side with to brand "Rust Belt Act" (that decision would be very important on the future of his possible campaign, the person he chooses to brand "Rust Belt Act" will be most likely his running mate or he will be that person's running mate);

- That person (my source of information) would be preferring Booker to Harris (that person calls Booker and Harris "most serious" primary candidates) because Booker is "more keen on Washington" to Kamala and he's also more consistent in his words.

Is Rust Belt Act a... bill? program? labor thing? strategy? What is the deal with it?

"Rust Belt Act" is a bill (but also a program) concerned to redevelop Rust Belt. I don't know the details, but it seems to have the same role as Harris's middle class tax breaks.



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: JG on February 02, 2019, 07:01:43 AM
This is a few days old, but I didn't find it on here, so perhaps it went under the radar.

According to John Podesta, Hillary is out in terms of 2020.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/30/hillary-clinton-2020-election-1136435

I love how any article about vague innuendos from unnamed sources about how Hillary is still considering a run gets talked about everywhere, but a formal no from her former campaign chairman barely gets any traction.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 02, 2019, 11:33:55 AM
Bloomberg, Biden and TMac now reconsidering and less likely to run due to Dem leftward shift.  (https://www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-liberals-howard-schultz-624825d3-7c2a-465e-b52c-f2dd9490f19d.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twsocialshare&utm_campaign=organic)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: mgop on February 02, 2019, 12:52:04 PM
Bloomberg, Biden and TMac now reconsidering and less likely to run due to Dem leftward shift.  (https://www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-liberals-howard-schultz-624825d3-7c2a-465e-b52c-f2dd9490f19d.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twsocialshare&utm_campaign=organic)

they are too afraid because they would lost badly


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Frodo on February 02, 2019, 01:27:41 PM
Sen. Elizabeth Warren to announce her candidacy next Saturday on February 9 (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/31/warren-announce-candidacy-feb-9-1140923).  


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on February 02, 2019, 01:28:38 PM
Bloomberg, Biden and TMac now reconsidering and less likely to run due to Dem leftward shift.  (https://www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-liberals-howard-schultz-624825d3-7c2a-465e-b52c-f2dd9490f19d.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twsocialshare&utm_campaign=organic)

Good


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Frodo on February 02, 2019, 01:35:12 PM
Bloomberg, Biden and TMac now reconsidering and less likely to run due to Dem leftward shift.  (https://www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-liberals-howard-schultz-624825d3-7c2a-465e-b52c-f2dd9490f19d.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twsocialshare&utm_campaign=organic)

A similar reason as to why Hillary Clinton chose not to run either. 


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Harlow on February 02, 2019, 01:46:00 PM
Sen. Elizabeth Warren to announce her candidacy next Saturday on February 9 (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/31/warren-announce-candidacy-feb-9-1140923).  

She’ll be announcing at Everett Mills, an old textile mill characteristic of Massachusetts during the early 20th century. It is also the site of the 1912 Bread and Roses strike, and is currently a multi-purpose office building.

I have no way of proving this, but I somehow predicted she would announce at an old, repurposed Massachusetts mill as a symbol of old industry becoming something new.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Politician on February 02, 2019, 03:29:40 PM
Bloomberg, Biden and TMac now reconsidering and less likely to run due to Dem leftward shift.  (https://www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-liberals-howard-schultz-624825d3-7c2a-465e-b52c-f2dd9490f19d.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twsocialshare&utm_campaign=organic)
Good riddance.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 02, 2019, 03:55:09 PM
Brown has a campaign manager in waiting:



Bill Maher asks de Blasio about running for prez at about the 45 second mark here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt07dSZCxww

and he says “I’m not ruling it out.”

Bloomberg, Biden and TMac now reconsidering and less likely to run due to Dem leftward shift.  (https://www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-liberals-howard-schultz-624825d3-7c2a-465e-b52c-f2dd9490f19d.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twsocialshare&utm_campaign=organic)

Here is the relevant excerpt, which also suggests that Bloomberg and McAuliffe would bow out if Biden runs (though Bloomberg has said that he’ll decide this month, and who knows if Biden will announce his plans by Feb. 28th or not):

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Michael Bloomberg and former Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe, each of whom were virtual locks to run, are having serious second thoughts after watching Democrats embrace "Medicare for All," big tax increases and the Green New Deal. Joe Biden, who still wants to run, is being advised to delay any plans to see how this lurch to the left plays out. If Biden runs, look for Bloomberg and McAuliffe to bow out, the sources tell us.
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Bloomberg is going ahead with expensive preparations for a campaign: He directed his staff to prepare a launch plan for him, after he received an encouraging response from a business audience in Northern Virginia 10 days ago.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: The Free North on February 02, 2019, 04:04:58 PM
Bloomberg would make a great president, but he wont win.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: No War, but the War on Christmas on February 02, 2019, 04:19:22 PM
Bloomberg would make a great president for billionaires and the ultra wealthy, but he wont win.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: All Along The Watchtower on February 02, 2019, 04:24:35 PM
why does anyone think Bloomberg will be a thing


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on February 02, 2019, 05:00:12 PM
Bloomberg, Biden and TMac now reconsidering and less likely to run due to Dem leftward shift.  (https://www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-liberals-howard-schultz-624825d3-7c2a-465e-b52c-f2dd9490f19d.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twsocialshare&utm_campaign=organic)

I don't care at all about Bloomberg or Biden, but I would like to see McAuliffe enter the race.  Not that he'd get my vote or anything, but someone should represent the moderate, centrist wing of the party and McAuliffe is probably the best choice.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 02, 2019, 05:28:03 PM
The Hill says that O’Rourke’s inaction has led many top Democratic donors to assume that he’s not going to run.  Meanwhile, prospective-but-not-yet-declared candidates Bennet and Klobuchar have been “burning up the phone lines” to reach out to donors:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/428083-beto-orourke-sees-stock-fall

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“[O’Rourke] hasn’t picked up the phone and there are lots of others who have,” the bundler said, adding that, as a result, “not one of us has brought up his name recently.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on February 02, 2019, 05:44:44 PM
Meanwhile, prospective-but-not-yet-declared candidates Bennet and Klobuchar have been “burning up the phone lines” to reach out to donors:


I've long been sold on the idea of Bennet as an ideal running mate for Harris, but I'm starting to think he might be my sleeper pick in the presidential race.  If Biden, O'Rourke, and McAuliffe all do decide not to run, that leaves a big opening to be filled by a moderate.  Bennet might just be the man to assume the role.  (Hickenlooper's presence complicates things, though.)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Obama-Biden Democrat on February 02, 2019, 06:20:46 PM
Bloomberg, Biden and TMac now reconsidering and less likely to run due to Dem leftward shift.  (https://www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-liberals-howard-schultz-624825d3-7c2a-465e-b52c-f2dd9490f19d.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twsocialshare&utm_campaign=organic)

It's not 1996 anymore. Thank god.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on February 02, 2019, 06:48:23 PM
Bloomberg, Biden and TMac now reconsidering and less likely to run due to Dem leftward shift.  (https://www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-liberals-howard-schultz-624825d3-7c2a-465e-b52c-f2dd9490f19d.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twsocialshare&utm_campaign=organic)

It's probably for the best.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 02, 2019, 07:19:41 PM
Hogan:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-facing-revived-chatter-of-possible-gop-primary-challenge

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A source close to Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan told Fox News that Hogan, “more than others, is really taking it seriously.”
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A source close to Hogan said that when it comes to a primary challenge, “I think he thinks it’s the right thing to do. We’ll see if he really does it.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on February 02, 2019, 07:22:52 PM
Bloomberg, Biden and TMac now reconsidering and less likely to run due to Dem leftward shift.  (https://www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-liberals-howard-schultz-624825d3-7c2a-465e-b52c-f2dd9490f19d.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twsocialshare&utm_campaign=organic)

It's not 1996 anymore. Thank god.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: libertpaulian on February 02, 2019, 07:32:30 PM
Bloomberg, Biden and TMac now reconsidering and less likely to run due to Dem leftward shift.  (https://www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-liberals-howard-schultz-624825d3-7c2a-465e-b52c-f2dd9490f19d.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twsocialshare&utm_campaign=organic)
As a libertarian with centrist tendencies, I'm praying a centrist with a serious chance at the nomination jumps in; however, I'm glad it's not going to be any of these three.  They represent the absolute WORST in politics, especially TMac.

Maybe someone like Beto, Klobuchar, or Brown jumps in.  (Yeah they're more to the left than actual centrists, but definitely more moderate and practical than someone like Warren, Bernie, or Harris.)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: An American Tail: Fubart Goes West on February 02, 2019, 08:14:11 PM
Meanwhile, prospective-but-not-yet-declared candidates Bennet and Klobuchar have been “burning up the phone lines” to reach out to donors:


I've long been sold on the idea of Bennet as an ideal running mate for Harris, but I'm starting to think he might be my sleeper pick in the presidential race.  If Biden, O'Rourke, and McAuliffe all do decide not to run, that leaves a big opening to be filled by a moderate.  Bennet might just be the man to assume the role.  (Hickenlooper's presence complicates things, though.)

His attack on Ted Cruz’s hypocrisy last week helped boost his profile. He’s been rumbling about it for a while. Fun fact, he would be the first president born outside of the US. His dad was a diplomat serving in India.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on February 02, 2019, 09:25:53 PM

His attack on Ted Cruz’s hypocrisy last week helped boost his profile. He’s been rumbling about it for a while. Fun fact, he would be the first president born outside of the US. His dad was a diplomat serving in India.

Yeah, I'm definitely updating my map of the electorate.  There's a new top six in my book...

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Those six would actually make a pretty banging administration.
President:  Kamala Harris
Vice President:  Michael Bennet
Secretary of State:  Cory Booker
Secretary of Treasury:  Elizabeth Warren
Secretary of Defense:  Kirsten Gillibrand
Attorney General:  Julian Castro


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RI on February 02, 2019, 10:31:02 PM
Bloomberg, Biden and TMac now reconsidering and less likely to run due to Dem leftward shift.  (https://www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-liberals-howard-schultz-624825d3-7c2a-465e-b52c-f2dd9490f19d.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twsocialshare&utm_campaign=organic)

The Democratic Party is racing at breakneck pace toward George McGovern territory.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lambsbread on February 02, 2019, 10:51:03 PM
Biden potentially not running because he thinks the party is moving left is the best news to come out of this election cycle yet.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 02, 2019, 11:51:03 PM
Moulton in New Hampshire:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2019/02/02/moulton-makes-mention-race/twDneqQCWUfDogg1quv6dL/story.html

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Talking to reporters on his way out, Moulton said, “I am not here to talk about 2020” but that he simply came because he was invited to speak. And he told the crowd he would “spend the next two years making sure President Trump wasn’t reelected,” but then told reporters that “I am not sure what that means for me.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Beet on February 03, 2019, 01:44:02 AM
Bloomberg, Biden and TMac now reconsidering and less likely to run due to Dem leftward shift.  (https://www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-liberals-howard-schultz-624825d3-7c2a-465e-b52c-f2dd9490f19d.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twsocialshare&utm_campaign=organic)

It's not 1996 anymore. Thank god.

1996 was more "left" than today. A 6-3 center-left supreme court majority, more progressive tax structure, more financial regulations in place, ICE didn't exist, no Patriot Act, housing more affordable, less debt, lower deficit, no Fox News, etc.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Smith on February 03, 2019, 01:58:24 AM
Bloomberg, Biden and TMac now reconsidering and less likely to run due to Dem leftward shift.  (https://www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-liberals-howard-schultz-624825d3-7c2a-465e-b52c-f2dd9490f19d.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twsocialshare&utm_campaign=organic)

The Democratic Party is racing at breakneck pace toward George McGovern territory.

This isn't a bad thing.

And the GOP pole-vaulting past Barry Goldwater and shacking it with Jesse Helms to great reward is evidence of that. It's not like the old trajectory towards Joe Lieberman or '80's Mondale did anything useful anyway.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Beet on February 03, 2019, 02:14:12 AM
Bloomberg, Biden and TMac now reconsidering and less likely to run due to Dem leftward shift.  (https://www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-liberals-howard-schultz-624825d3-7c2a-465e-b52c-f2dd9490f19d.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twsocialshare&utm_campaign=organic)

The Democratic Party is racing at breakneck pace toward George McGovern territory.

This isn't a bad thing.

And the GOP pole-vaulting past Barry Goldwater and shacking it with Jesse Helms to great reward is evidence of that. It's not like the old trajectory towards Joe Lieberman or '80's Mondale did anything useful anyway.

Political polarization is bad for democracy.

You get things like government shutdowns. You get gridlock and the inability for Congress to solve problems. That opens the door to dictatorship. If the U.S. becomes a dictatorship it will not have any better claim to lead the world than China or Russia. The founders didn't design the Constitution with partisan politics in mind. When people become more loyal to their partisan factions than what brings us together, including respect for rule of law, in spirit as well as letter, America is dead. When that happens, YOUR rights will be dead.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on February 03, 2019, 10:06:19 AM
Bloomberg, Biden and TMac now reconsidering and less likely to run due to Dem leftward shift.  (https://www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-liberals-howard-schultz-624825d3-7c2a-465e-b52c-f2dd9490f19d.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twsocialshare&utm_campaign=organic)

The Democratic Party is racing at breakneck pace toward George McGovern territory.

This isn't a bad thing.

And the GOP pole-vaulting past Barry Goldwater and shacking it with Jesse Helms to great reward is evidence of that. It's not like the old trajectory towards Joe Lieberman or '80's Mondale did anything useful anyway.

Political polarization is bad for democracy.

You get things like government shutdowns. You get gridlock and the inability for Congress to solve problems. That opens the door to dictatorship. If the U.S. becomes a dictatorship it will not have any better claim to lead the world than China or Russia. The founders didn't design the Constitution with partisan politics in mind. When people become more loyal to their partisan factions than what brings us together, including respect for rule of law, in spirit as well as letter, America is dead. When that happens, YOUR rights will be dead.

Got a lot of problems with this. You talk about loyalty to partisan faction, but a more accurate way of thinking about it is loyalty to a coherent set of social and economic values.  Should we abandon our values because in some abstract sense "polarization is bad"?  What's more, can you identify a time in our history when American politics wasn't politically polarized?  At that time, how were our politics organized?  By sectional polarization?  Racial polarization?  Was "respect for rule of law" more sacrosanct during those periods than it is today?  You're right that the Founders didn't design a political system to effectively manage the politics of the world we live in, but the solution isn't to pretend we live in the world they imagined. The solution is to reform and change the system, to make legal changes that will add more democracy to our politics.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ○∙◄☻Ątπ[╪AV┼cVę└ on February 03, 2019, 11:06:33 AM
Bloomberg, Biden and TMac now reconsidering and less likely to run due to Dem leftward shift.  (https://www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-liberals-howard-schultz-624825d3-7c2a-465e-b52c-f2dd9490f19d.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twsocialshare&utm_campaign=organic)

It's not 1996 anymore. Thank god.

1996 was more "left" than today. A 6-3 center-left supreme court majority, more progressive tax structure, more financial regulations in place, ICE didn't exist, no Patriot Act, housing more affordable, less debt, lower deficit, no Fox News, etc.

That was because there was 22 fewer years of neoliberals in power, not because the neoliberals weren't in power.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Beet on February 03, 2019, 11:11:43 AM
Bloomberg, Biden and TMac now reconsidering and less likely to run due to Dem leftward shift.  (https://www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-liberals-howard-schultz-624825d3-7c2a-465e-b52c-f2dd9490f19d.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twsocialshare&utm_campaign=organic)

The Democratic Party is racing at breakneck pace toward George McGovern territory.

This isn't a bad thing.

And the GOP pole-vaulting past Barry Goldwater and shacking it with Jesse Helms to great reward is evidence of that. It's not like the old trajectory towards Joe Lieberman or '80's Mondale did anything useful anyway.

Political polarization is bad for democracy.

You get things like government shutdowns. You get gridlock and the inability for Congress to solve problems. That opens the door to dictatorship. If the U.S. becomes a dictatorship it will not have any better claim to lead the world than China or Russia. The founders didn't design the Constitution with partisan politics in mind. When people become more loyal to their partisan factions than what brings us together, including respect for rule of law, in spirit as well as letter, America is dead. When that happens, YOUR rights will be dead.

Got a lot of problems with this. You talk about loyalty to partisan faction, but a more accurate way of thinking about it is loyalty to a coherent set of social and economic values. Should we abandon our values because in some abstract sense "polarization is bad"?
 

The social and economic values of the Republican Party have become nothing but ethnic nationalism, one of the worst possible if not the most deplorable "social and economic value" there is, while the social and economic values of the Democratic Party, while not as bad (most of the time), are anything but coherent. Is that a good thing? I don't think so.

Further, even if these "social and economic values" were worth loyalty, it still tears the country apart. Would you support authoritarian measures to implement your "social and economic values"? Would you support undermining the Constitution, representative government, freedom of speech, due process, or support a dictatorship?

I like the United States system of government. Trump talks about Nationalism, but what I am arguing is actual Nationalism here. The Chinese are not going to come marching through Washington D.C. Neither are the Russians. The only people who can destroy this country are ourselves. The Soviet Union collapsed because by the end, no one believed in it any more. No one would lift a finger to save it. I like living in a country where people have rights. I like living in a country where the highest civic religion is the Constitution, human rights, and liberty. That is how America has thrived for over 200 years. I am not a fan of the worldwide authoritarian resurgence.

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What's more, can you identify a time in our history when American politics wasn't politically polarized?  At that time, how were our politics organized?  By sectional polarization?  Racial polarization?  Was "respect for rule of law" more sacrosanct during those periods than it is today?

Sure, save the Civil War, any other time but now. Political polarization of course always exists in some corners of every society, but it is usually disorganized and so does not prevent the operation of government. The difference is that today the most divided elements of society have their divisions reflected in political parties.

For hundreds of years, political parties existed as a matter of necessity: it made sense to organize into coalitions because you could logroll. John gives Michael X and Michael gives John Y and together they can form a majority coalition and so on.

But parties did not exist at a spiritual level. Today they do. This is bad, because when political parties are no longer practical organizations but religious organizations, the worst divisions in society are given expression. Democrats start to care more abut the Democratic Party than the good of the United States, and Republicans care more about the Republican Party than the good of the United States. This is toxic. It means too much is at stake in elections. It's okay to have disagreements, but there has to be a limit or else society falls apart because the two sides no longer have any common ground, no reason to respect the other.

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You're right that the Founders didn't design a political system to effectively manage the politics of the world we live in, but the solution isn't to pretend we live in the world they imagined. The solution is to reform and change the system, to make legal changes that will add more democracy to our politics.

That illustrates my point, however. To effectively reform the system you would need broad agreement on how to reform it, and that is impossible, just like every other effective action, when there is sharp polarization. Because each side only cares about how it is going to benefit their side, and not whether the change makes sense on its merits.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 03, 2019, 11:40:26 AM
O'Rourke:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/03/democratic-presidential-candidates-2020-1142895

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O’Rourke, who told POLITICO recently that his decision could “potentially” take months, said, “There are people who are smarter on this stuff and study this stuff and are following this and say you’ve got to do it this way or get in by this point or get in in this way if you were to get in.”

However, he said, “I think the truth is that nobody knows right now the rules on any of this stuff. I think the rules are being written in the moment.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Suburbia on February 03, 2019, 12:17:05 PM
The Democratic Party is too far to the left.....

The Republican Party is too far to the right.....

This is why people are Independents


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lambsbread on February 03, 2019, 12:46:51 PM
The Democratic Party is too far to the left.....

The Republican Party is too far to the right.....

This is why people are Independents

Boy, wait til you find out about the Communist and Nazi parties.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on February 03, 2019, 12:57:21 PM
The social and economic values of the Republican Party have become nothing but ethnic nationalism, one of the worst possible if not the most deplorable "social and economic value" there is, while the social and economic values of the Democratic Party, while not as bad (most of the time), are anything but coherent. Is that a good thing? I don't think so.

You're underselling the coherence of Democratic ideology.  Seriously, what are the major disagreements inside the party at the moment?  Lots of argument about style and tactics, but there's almost complete unanimity on shared goals and objectives. 

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Further, even if these "social and economic values" were worth loyalty, it still tears the country apart. Would you support authoritarian measures to implement your "social and economic values"? Would you support undermining the Constitution, representative government, freedom of speech, due process, or support a dictatorship?

I like the United States system of government. Trump talks about Nationalism, but what I am arguing is actual Nationalism here. The Chinese are not going to come marching through Washington D.C. Neither are the Russians. The only people who can destroy this country are ourselves. The Soviet Union collapsed because by the end, no one believed in it any more. No one would lift a finger to save it. I like living in a country where people have rights. I like living in a country where the highest civic religion is the Constitution, human rights, and liberty. That is how America has thrived for over 200 years. I am not a fan of the worldwide authoritarian resurgence.

This is such a straw man--no one is arguing in favor of authoritarianism here.  Just the opposite, really.  The critique is that the American political system, from the signing of the Constitution to the present, has been too authoritarian, too antidemocratic.  And it's not because we've suddenly become politically polarized as a society--our system of governance has always been this way.  If anything, our system has gotten far less authoritarian and dictatorial since around 1968, the start of our current politically polarized era.

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Sure, save the Civil War, any other time but now. Political polarization of course always exists in some corners of every society, but it is usually disorganized and so does not prevent the operation of government. The difference is that today the most divided elements of society have their divisions reflected in political parties.

I just don't share your understanding of American history.  The Civil War didn't come out of nowhere--it was the unavoidable result of a polarized political system incapable of operating or dealing with its primary national problem, i.e. slavery.  Likewise for the problem of racial segregation.  The country was incapable of operating or dealing with this problem until political partisanship asserted itself and supplanted sectional polarization.

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For hundreds of years, political parties existed as a matter of necessity: it made sense to organize into coalitions because you could logroll. John gives Michael X and Michael gives John Y and together they can form a majority coalition and so on.

But parties did not exist at a spiritual level. Today they do. This is bad, because when political parties are no longer practical organizations but religious organizations, the worst divisions in society are given expression. Democrats start to care more abut the Democratic Party than the good of the United States, and Republicans care more about the Republican Party than the good of the United States. This is toxic. It means too much is at stake in elections. It's okay to have disagreements, but there has to be a limit or else society falls apart because the two sides no longer have any common ground, no reason to respect the other.

Again, I just don't think this narrative lines up with our actual national history.  The limits on our political disagreements is the rule of law, and we have far, far more fealty to the rule of law today than we did in prior generations.  Lawless violence, terror, and corruption were just taken as givens in our past, and while there is unquestionably lawless behavior and corruption today (Trump, police killing black boys, etc.), we are far, far less tolerant of it and there are increasingly actual consequences for it.  A big reason for this is our increasingly democratic political system and intensified partisanship.

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That illustrates my point, however. To effectively reform the system you would need broad agreement on how to reform it, and that is impossible, just like every other effective action, when there is sharp polarization. Because each side only cares about how it is going to benefit their side, and not whether the change makes sense on its merits.

Nonsense.  You don't need bipartisan agreement to reform the system.  You just need the votes!  If you want to pass voting rights legislation, get Democratic majorities in Congress.  If you want to end the legislative filibuster, elect Democrats, apply pressure, and count the votes.  If you want US citizens in DC and Puerto Rico to have Congressional representation, elect Democrats and count the votes.  Reform, when it happens, will happen along partisan lines.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on February 03, 2019, 01:07:42 PM
The social and economic values of the Republican Party have become nothing but ethnic nationalism, one of the worst possible if not the most deplorable "social and economic value" there is, while the social and economic values of the Democratic Party, while not as bad (most of the time), are anything but coherent. Is that a good thing? I don't think so.

You're underselling the coherence of Democratic ideology.  Seriously, what are the major disagreements inside the party at the moment?  Lots of argument about style and tactics, but there's almost complete unanimity on shared goals and objectives. 

Nah, Beet is right on this one. Trust me, wait until the Ds are actually in government, without a common enemy in Trump to oppose.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on February 03, 2019, 01:19:21 PM
Nah, Beet is right on this one. Trust me, wait until the Ds are actually in government, without a common enemy in Trump to oppose.

I'm genuinely confused by this.  Is there some significant segment of the Democratic party I don't know about that is opposed to delivering universal health coverage, or redistributing wealth downward, or fighting racial/sexual discrimination, or pursuing international cooperation, or protecting the environment, or expanding democratic representation, or on and on?  Again, I know there are disagreements about style and strategy, but it seems to me that the most prominent Democrats in the party are all on the same page when it comes to what the party is trying to accomplish.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on February 03, 2019, 01:31:49 PM
Nah, Beet is right on this one. Trust me, wait until the Ds are actually in government, without a common enemy in Trump to oppose.

I'm genuinely confused by this.  Is there some significant segment of the Democratic party I don't know about that is opposed to delivering universal health coverage, or redistributing wealth downward, or fighting racial/sexual discrimination, or pursuing international cooperation, or protecting the environment, or expanding democratic representation, or on and on?  Again, I know there are disagreements about style and strategy, but it seems to me that the most prominent Democrats in the party are all on the same page when it comes to what the party is trying to accomplish.

Yes, actually. While the D party may be united on broad issues(such as the issues you described), the problem comes when you talk details. Thats always the killer. The GOP, long the more ideologically concise party, had trouble in government when they took power, the Ds will be much worse.

For instance, healthcare. Im pretty sure almost every D would say we need to expand healthcare to individuals. The problem is "How?". At least 1/2 the Ds are in the Medicare for All caucus, but many only support strengthening Obamacare. Then you have the public option to throw in, and it becomes a mess.

While most of the prominent Ds have lined up behind the Progressive side of the party, the 28 Blue Dogs still exist, as do the ideologically diverse New Dem caucus. Even the CPC has its share of moderates who disagree with the party's direction. So while the stars of the party are moving in one direction, the backbenchers, the ones you need to vote for the legislation, still exist, and are still formidable.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Beet on February 03, 2019, 01:53:36 PM
This is such a straw man--no one is arguing in favor of authoritarianism here.  Just the opposite, really.  The critique is that the American political system, from the signing of the Constitution to the present, has been too authoritarian, too antidemocratic.  And it's not because we've suddenly become politically polarized as a society--our system of governance has always been this way.  If anything, our system has gotten far less authoritarian and dictatorial since around 1968, the start of our current politically polarized era.

You don't have to explicitly argue in favor of authoritarianism -- the logic of Party over all else inevitably leads to it. Why do you think China has an authoritarian government? Before the PRC there was the CPC. The CPC was in WWII and the Civil War and it was everything. Once the PRC was established, why have a multiparty system? Everyone agrees the CPC should be in power. And if Party is what matters, why not use authoritarian means to achieve the Party's ends? I'm not saying it's going to happen overnight- but it is moving in this direction.

Already you have a Court system that has become another political arm, and it is losing its legitimacy. John Roberts is trying to keep it alive, but it is already at the point where both parties simply see the Courts as another means of achieving their policy goals or blocking the opposing party's. Tell me, in a normal society, would you think a judge is a fair judge if you can predict how that judge will rule on certain cases years before it is even brought up to trial? Yet this is what we have today. Both parties believe that judges are "theirs" or their opponents. That is why they fight so hard for certain judges and against others to begin with.

Already you have both Republicans and Democrats arguing in favor of the President using National Emergencies to enact policy goals, running around Congress. And they can say that it is necessary because Congress is so gridlocked that it can't get anything done - due to polarization. Eventually if this continues people will conclude Congress is useless, and start supporting the President doing things unilaterally through National Emergency, because stuff needs to get done. And that will further remove pressure from Congress to act. And eventually, if Congress is not doing its job, what will be the point of even having a Congress? Let's do everything through the President...

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I just don't share your understanding of American history.  The Civil War didn't come out of nowhere--it was the unavoidable result of a polarized political system incapable of operating or dealing with its primary national problem, i.e. slavery.  Likewise for the problem of racial segregation.  The country was incapable of operating or dealing with this problem until political partisanship asserted itself and supplanted sectional polarization.

The solution to racial segregation did not occur because of political partisanship. Republicans overwhelmingly supported the civil rights bills of the 1960s. If anything, it was relatively non-partisan and when Barry Goldwater tried to make it partisan, he was abandoned by members of his own party and got blown out. That is why it was successful. If the Republican Party had continued to reject civil rights, it would not have been successful.

The civil war, on the other hand, did begin when political partisanship suddenly aligned with sectional polarization, that is true. But it just underscores that when Party divisions begin to align with the most divisive problems of society, it exacerbates those divisions. It should not be up to political parties to solve these problems, because by nature they require consensus to solve. If the Democratic Party had continued to support slavery into the 1870s, that problem would not have been solved either.

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Again, I just don't think this narrative lines up with our actual national history.  The limits on our political disagreements is the rule of law, and we have far, far more fealty to the rule of law today than we did in prior generations.  Lawless violence, terror, and corruption were just taken as givens in our past, and while there is unquestionably lawless behavior and corruption today (Trump, police killing black boys, etc.), we are far, far less tolerant of it and there are increasingly actual consequences for it.  A big reason for this is our increasingly democratic political system and intensified partisanship.

You are taking the victories of a less polarized time, the mid-twentieth century, which saw a decline in lawless violence, terror, and corruption, but which was a relatively non-partisan time, and trying to assign it to the early twenty-first century, where we are seeing a reversal of the positive trends we saw then. That is stealing the achievements of a good era and trying to give it to a bad era.

In the mid-twentieth century, there was strong support for democratic norms on a bipartisan basis, but this was not applied to all people. Liberals argued for these principles to be applied more consistently, and they were expanded. But the principles themselves were safe, and both parties' leaders supported them. Today you have a President, with record high approval ratings from his own party, who openly says things like, "it'd be nice to be president for life [like Xi Jinping]" and acts in a way that never respects America's political culture.

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Nonsense.  You don't need bipartisan agreement to reform the system.  You just need the votes!  If you want to pass voting rights legislation, get Democratic majorities in Congress.  If you want to end the legislative filibuster, elect Democrats, apply pressure, and count the votes.  If you want US citizens in DC and Puerto Rico to have Congressional representation, elect Democrats and count the votes.  Reform, when it happens, will happen along partisan lines.

Well that requires getting a Democratic majority in Congress. That will require you to pick up five Senate seats in 2020. Will you achieve that? Maybe, but maybe not. And even if you do achieve it, to actually pass legislation you will have to agree to get every Democratic Senator to agree to end the legislative filibuster. Will they all agree? Maybe, but maybe not. And even if they all agree, your legislation has to survive a challenge at the Supreme Court. Will it survive? Maybe, but maybe not. And even if it survives all that, you will have to hope the Republicans don't repeal or gut your legislation when they get back into power. Will they refrain? Maybe. But maybe not.

Any probability teacher will tell you that the chance of any X number of independent events happening is the multiplication of each of the probabilities of those events.

Don't you see? You are giving yourself, if not mission impossible, mission extremely improbable. Every lasting achievement is lasting because it became bipartisan. Medicare is safe today only to the extent that it is bipartisan. Roe is not safe because it is not quite as bipartisan. The NHS is in the UK is only safe because both the Tories and Labour accept it. If the Tories didn't accept it, Maggie Thatcher would have repealed it. You can't get what you want with only one Party, you need broad agreement. The same is true of society in general.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on February 03, 2019, 02:52:34 PM
You don't have to explicitly argue in favor of authoritarianism -- the logic of Party over all else inevitably leads to it. Why do you think China has an authoritarian government? Before the PRC there was the CPC. The CPC was in WWII and the Civil War and it was everything. Once the PRC was established, why have a multiparty system? Everyone agrees the CPC should be in power. And if Party is what matters, why not use authoritarian means to achieve the Party's ends? I'm not saying it's going to happen overnight- but it is moving in this direction.

Geez, I'm not a sinologist so I'm not prepared to argue the nuances of Chinese political history.  I'll just make two quick points and not touch this subject again:  1.)  China has a one-party system because authoritarians savagely crushed the opposition; 2.) China has a one-party system because that one party has been delivering results--many suffer, but the masses are far better off today than they were a generation ago.

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Already you have a Court system that has become another political arm, and it is losing its legitimacy. John Roberts is trying to keep it alive, but it is already at the point where both parties simply see the Courts as another means of achieving their policy goals or blocking the opposing party's. Tell me, in a normal society, would you think a judge is a fair judge if you can predict how that judge will rule on certain cases years before it is even brought up to trial? Yet this is what we have today. Both parties believe that judges are "theirs" or their opponents. That is why they fight so hard for certain judges and against others to begin with.

This is nothing new!  SCOTUS since the time of John Marshall has been a deeply politicized body.   Hell, Lincoln and the Republicans of the 1850s and 1860s made stripping power from a politicized Court a central part of their political platform.

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Already you have both Republicans and Democrats arguing in favor of the President using National Emergencies to enact policy goals, running around Congress. And they can say that it is necessary because Congress is so gridlocked that it can't get anything done - due to polarization. Eventually if this continues people will conclude Congress is useless, and start supporting the President doing things unilaterally through National Emergency, because stuff needs to get done. And that will further remove pressure from Congress to act. And eventually, if Congress is not doing its job, what will be the point of even having a Congress? Let's do everything through the President...

The main reasons Congress can't get anything done are the anti-majoritarian rules that govern the body.  You want Congress to get more productive, elect Democrats and pressure those Democrats to eliminate the filibuster, end gerrymandering, extend representation to all US citizens, etc.

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The solution to racial segregation did not occur because of political partisanship. Republicans overwhelmingly supported the civil rights bills of the 1960s. If anything, it was relatively non-partisan and when Barry Goldwater tried to make it partisan, he was abandoned by members of his own party and got blown out. That is why it was successful. If the Republican Party had continued to reject civil rights, it would not have been successful.

Republicans didn't support the civil rights bills--Northerners did.  The Republicans who rejected civil rights continued to do so.  The rest became Democrats.

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The civil war, on the other hand, did begin when political partisanship suddenly aligned with sectional polarization, that is true. But it just underscores that when Party divisions begin to align with the most divisive problems of society, it exacerbates those divisions. It should not be up to political parties to solve these problems, because by nature they require consensus to solve. If the Democratic Party had continued to support slavery into the 1870s, that problem would not have been solved either.

You mean "it solves those divisions," right?  I mean, the alignment of political partisanship and sectional polarization that preceded the war did solve the problem of slavery even if it did nothing else.  And the Democratic Party, at least ideologically, did continue to support slavery into the 1870s.  What solved that problem was Constitutional/legislative change and the threat of renewed military force, both wielded by partisan, Northern Republicans.

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You are taking the victories of a less polarized time, the mid-twentieth century, which saw a decline in lawless violence, terror, and corruption, but which was a relatively non-partisan time, and trying to assign it to the early twenty-first century, where we are seeing a reversal of the positive trends we saw then. That is stealing the achievements of a good era and trying to give it to a bad era.

Are you referring to the good era of Jim Crow?

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Well that requires getting a Democratic majority in Congress. That will require you to pick up five Senate seats in 2020. Will you achieve that? Maybe, but maybe not. And even if you do achieve it, to actually pass legislation you will have to agree to get every Democratic Senator to agree to end the legislative filibuster. Will they all agree? Maybe, but maybe not. And even if they all agree, your legislation has to survive a challenge at the Supreme Court. Will it survive? Maybe, but maybe not. And even if it survives all that, you will have to hope the Republicans don't repeal or gut your legislation when they get back into power. Will they refrain? Maybe. But maybe not.

Any probability teacher will tell you that the chance of any X number of independent events happening is the multiplication of each of the probabilities of those events.

Don't you see? You are giving yourself, if not mission impossible, mission extremely improbable. Every lasting achievement is lasting because it became bipartisan. Medicare is safe today only to the extent that it is bipartisan. Roe is not safe because it is not quite as bipartisan. The NHS is in the UK is only safe because both the Tories and Labour accept it. If the Tories didn't accept it, Maggie Thatcher would have repealed it. You can't get what you want with only one Party, you need broad agreement. The same is true of society in general.

What's more likely?  Winning Congressional majorities and passing democratic reforms to our political system; or achieving an imaginary, progressive, bipartisan consensus that our country has never known?  Talk about extremely improbable.  Also, you've got your causation backwards:  achievements don't last because they became bipartisan--they become bipartisan because they last.  And they only last if partisans fight for their preservation.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: PaperKooper on February 03, 2019, 03:47:37 PM
Not to be rude, but can we keep this thread on topic?  It's for news about potential candidates. 


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lognog on February 03, 2019, 04:21:42 PM
Not to be rude, but can we keep this thread on topic?  It's for news about potential candidates. 

Thank you


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on February 03, 2019, 04:22:55 PM
Not to be rude, but can we keep this thread on topic?  It's for news about potential candidates.  

Thank you

Sorry.  I get carried away.  I'll stop contributing to this tangent here.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Beet on February 03, 2019, 04:28:12 PM
Not to be rude, but can we keep this thread on topic?  It's for news about potential candidates. 

Apologies. MormDem made a comment that was worth responding to because his view is rather widely shared in both parties and has been for quite some time. Perhaps a mod should split this discussion out to a different thread.

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Geez, I'm not a sinologist so I'm not prepared to argue the nuances of Chinese political history.  I'll just make two quick points and not touch this subject again:  1.)  China has a one-party system because authoritarians savagely crushed the opposition; 2.) China has a one-party system because that one party has been delivering results--many suffer, but the masses are far better off today than they were a generation ago.

So what are you arguing, to oppose authoritarianism or that authoritarianism is good because it makes the masses better off? Get your story straight. I don't think many people would agree with you that the CPC is some good organization.

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This is nothing new!  SCOTUS since the time of John Marshall has been a deeply politicized body.   Hell, Lincoln and the Republicans of the 1850s and 1860s made stripping power from a politicized Court a central part of their political platform.

Politicized yes, that is the nature of courts- but not polarized in a partisan manner. The test of a good judge should be that the people who are invested in that judge's appointment do not fall into a predictable pattern that aligns with major cleavages in society. If all white people loved a certain judge and all black people hated him, or vice versa, would you think they are a non-racist judge? If all Democrats love a judge and all Republicans hate him, or vice versa, would you think they are not a partisan judge?

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The main reasons Congress can't get anything done are the anti-majoritarian rules that govern the body.  You want Congress to get more productive, elect Democrats and pressure those Democrats to eliminate the filibuster, end gerrymandering, extend representation to all US citizens, etc.

And how are you going to do that? You would need to win the Senate, convince all Democratic Senators to end the filibuster, get the Supreme Court to rule against gerrymandering, which means winning successive presidential elections and waiting for judges to die. And even if you achieve all that, you still won't have achieved a majoritarian body because one vote in bum, Idaho will still be worth 50 Californians in the Senate. In other words, good luck. You're gonna need it. You are like a guy who insists he is going to climb Mount Everest and keeps insisting he can do it without a guide or proper equipment.

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Republicans didn't support the civil rights bills--Northerners did.  The Republicans who rejected civil rights continued to do so.  The rest became Democrats.

Yes, they were northerners, but they were also Republicans. The Republican party has had a somewhat, ah, friendly relationship with the north. And it wasn't all northerners either. The guy who signed the dang thing and got it through the Senate was a southerner.

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You mean "it solves those divisions," right?  I mean, the alignment of political partisanship and sectional polarization that preceded the war did solve the problem of slavery even if it did nothing else.  And the Democratic Party, at least ideologically, did continue to support slavery into the 1870s.  What solved that problem was Constitutional/legislative change and the threat of renewed military force, both wielded by partisan, Northern Republicans.

So now you're advocating solving things by civil war? That's just my point. The logic of ultrapartisanship ultimately leads to authoritarian solutions to problems, including violence. That's just how dictators think. When a dictator has a problem, he just shoots a guy. Is that how you want things to be run? Once you've endorsed that, you have endorsed dictatorship.

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Are you referring to the good era of Jim Crow?

Jim Crow was dismantled during that era. Jim Crow was established in the late 19th century-- a time when there was high political polarization and partisanship.

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What's more likely?  Winning Congressional majorities and passing democratic reforms to our political system; or achieving an imaginary, progressive, bipartisan consensus that our country has never known?  Talk about extremely improbable.  Also, you've got your causation backwards:  achievements don't last because they became bipartisan--they become bipartisan because they last.  And they only last if partisans fight for their preservation.

The question is why achievements last, not why they are bipartisan. There's nothing intrinsically valuable about an achievement being bipartisan. So saying "it lasts because it lasts" is circular reasoning. History shows that policies last when both parties agree on them and they have broad consensus in society. Policies that don't have that don't last. Because in a free, democratic society, power by its very nature shifts from one hand to another. Opposition parties win. And if one of those parties disagrees with a policy, it will have a chance to repeal it.

Why are you so against bipartisanship? It seems as if the very idea of broad agreement in society is offensive to you.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 03, 2019, 05:48:18 PM
Bullock has a staffer in Iowa now, and plans to visit the state again “in about two weeks”:

https://iowastartingline.com/2019/02/02/steve-bullock-places-staff-in-iowa-to-lay-2020-groundwork/

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Montana Governor Steve Bullock has placed at least one staffer in Iowa for preparation for a possible presidential run, Starting Line has confirmed with multiple sources. It would be the latest sign that Bullock is still headed toward a 2020 bid after he visited the lead-off caucus state four times in 2018. His team is scheduling a return trip for the governor in about two weeks.

Megan Simpson, a native of Dubuque, is headed back to Iowa to begin laying the groundwork for a Bullock organization in the state. She will serve as the organizing director for Bullock’s Big Sky Values PAC.

McAuliffe says that while he hasn’t decided yet, he’d “like to do it”:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/terry-mcauliffe-2020-president_us_5c5716d1e4b0871047547463

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Asked for an update Sunday, McAuliffe said he’s giving himself until March 31 to make a decision.

“I have been talking to other candidates,” McAuliffe said on CNN’s “State of the Union.” “I’m going through the process.”
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“I’d say, you know, I’d like to do it,” McAuliffe said. “I think we had a great track record in Virginia. ... I’m very authentic. I will always tell you whether you like to hear it or not. And I lean in to get things done that we can actually get done.”

Got to love it when a politician tells you "I'm very authentic".

In other news, it was already mentioned upthread that Holder is heading to Iowa this month.  Looks like this event on Feb. 12th is the event in question:

https://harkininstitute.drake.edu/2019/01/07/register-now-for-free-eric-holder-event-on-feb-12/

And then Swalwell will be in Iowa on Feb. 16th:

https://siouxcityjournal.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/swalwell-to-speak-at-democratic-event-in-sioux-city/article_88bff26a-ff62-561a-97ef-ea240489a4b8.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on February 03, 2019, 06:07:20 PM
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/howard-schultz-internal-polling-a-bad-omen-for-democrats-worried-he-could-play-spoiler

Let they stop holding their (right-wing) breath: if Schultz will run (of course as indy, progressives wouldn't let him into Democrats) he'll be another Ross Perot. Why it's so simple to me?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: WV222 on February 03, 2019, 07:11:56 PM
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/howard-schultz-internal-polling-a-bad-omen-for-democrats-worried-he-could-play-spoiler

Let they stop holding their (right-wing) breath: if Schultz will run (of course as indy, progressives wouldn't let him into Democrats) he'll be another Ross Perot. Why it's so simple to me?

The reason why it is not that simple because he will be the leftish version of Ross Perot. The only things he sides with President Trump in some ways is health care, taxes, and debt. Immigration, Schultz basically has the typical Democratic tone. He also is diametrically opposed to every view social conservatives have. Plus, the fact that him taking shots at President Trump has really hurt his chance to steal GOP voters given how high the President's approval ratings are within his own party.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on February 04, 2019, 06:45:42 AM
I meant Ross Perot as some independent candidate who doesn't have much to virtually any chances in the presidential race, and that is why I wrote above "why it is so simple to me". I am assuming that due to the leftward shift in Democratic Party as of 2019 Schultz can end like John Anderson, even worse than Perot.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on February 04, 2019, 08:43:46 AM
I meant Ross Perot as some independent candidate who doesn't have much to virtually any chances in the presidential race, and that is why I wrote above "why it is so simple to me". I am assuming that due to the leftward shift in Democratic Party as of 2019 Schultz can end like John Anderson, even worse than Perot.

Im pretty sure Schultz wont take away that much from Republicans to become a John Anderson. Most likely, Schultz takes away 3%, 1% from Ds, 2% from Rs, or something like that.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 04, 2019, 11:00:42 AM
The Atlantic: Biden's simultaneously telling people that he's 70% likely to run, and that he's "close to saying yes".  (I don't know.  70% sounds like there's still a way to go.):

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/02/joe-biden-close-running-president-despite-doubts/581956/

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Joe Biden reliably blows through every public and private deadline for making a decision about running for president. But he’s giving everyone he’s seen in recent weeks the feeling that he’s very close to saying yes.
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Top positions for a campaign have been sketched out. Donor outreach has accelerated, with Biden himself telling staff at some events to write down the names of people who say they’re eager to help. A list of potential “day-one endorsers” among elected officials has been prepared. Basic staff outreach is happening. Biden has even joked to people that he’s upped his daily workout to get in shape.

“I have been told that if it happens, I need to be ready to go with a moment’s notice,” said one person who’s been in conversations with Biden’s top aides.

Skepticism persists, fed by donors who are wondering why they haven’t heard anything, and operatives who others in the field assumed Biden would have locked down by now are still shopping around for other candidates.

He's apparently told people that he's "70% there":

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That same 70 percent line has been circulating among Biden allies for weeks: This looks like it’s happening, but don’t write off the 30 percent chance that it doesn’t. In that time, people who’ve spoken to Biden and those around him say, he is still anguishing over both whether there’s a path to victory and whether running is the right thing to do for those closest to him, knowing that his record would be attacked and sensitive questions about his family would be aired in public.

“His heart is saying go, ‘It’s the thing you’ve always wanted,’” said one person who’s been in touch with Biden’s staff. “His head is assessing whether there’s an opening.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Pyro on February 04, 2019, 11:51:21 AM
The Atlantic: Biden's simultaneously telling people that he's 70% likely to run, and that he's "close to saying yes".  (I don't know.  70% sounds like there's still a way to go.):

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/02/joe-biden-close-running-president-despite-doubts/581956/

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Joe Biden reliably blows through every public and private deadline for making a decision about running for president. But he’s giving everyone he’s seen in recent weeks the feeling that he’s very close to saying yes.
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Top positions for a campaign have been sketched out. Donor outreach has accelerated, with Biden himself telling staff at some events to write down the names of people who say they’re eager to help. A list of potential “day-one endorsers” among elected officials has been prepared. Basic staff outreach is happening. Biden has even joked to people that he’s upped his daily workout to get in shape.

“I have been told that if it happens, I need to be ready to go with a moment’s notice,” said one person who’s been in conversations with Biden’s top aides.

Skepticism persists, fed by donors who are wondering why they haven’t heard anything, and operatives who others in the field assumed Biden would have locked down by now are still shopping around for other candidates.

He's apparently told people that he's "70% there":

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That same 70 percent line has been circulating among Biden allies for weeks: This looks like it’s happening, but don’t write off the 30 percent chance that it doesn’t. In that time, people who’ve spoken to Biden and those around him say, he is still anguishing over both whether there’s a path to victory and whether running is the right thing to do for those closest to him, knowing that his record would be attacked and sensitive questions about his family would be aired in public.

“His heart is saying go, ‘It’s the thing you’ve always wanted,’” said one person who’s been in touch with Biden’s staff. “His head is assessing whether there’s an opening.”


Holy cow. Either run or don't, Joe.
Imagine going through a fast food drive thru with this moron.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on February 04, 2019, 02:27:52 PM
The Atlantic: Biden's simultaneously telling people that he's 70% likely to run, and that he's "close to saying yes".  (I don't know.  70% sounds like there's still a way to go.):

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/02/joe-biden-close-running-president-despite-doubts/581956/

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Joe Biden reliably blows through every public and private deadline for making a decision about running for president. But he’s giving everyone he’s seen in recent weeks the feeling that he’s very close to saying yes.
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Top positions for a campaign have been sketched out. Donor outreach has accelerated, with Biden himself telling staff at some events to write down the names of people who say they’re eager to help. A list of potential “day-one endorsers” among elected officials has been prepared. Basic staff outreach is happening. Biden has even joked to people that he’s upped his daily workout to get in shape.

“I have been told that if it happens, I need to be ready to go with a moment’s notice,” said one person who’s been in conversations with Biden’s top aides.

Skepticism persists, fed by donors who are wondering why they haven’t heard anything, and operatives who others in the field assumed Biden would have locked down by now are still shopping around for other candidates.

He's apparently told people that he's "70% there":

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That same 70 percent line has been circulating among Biden allies for weeks: This looks like it’s happening, but don’t write off the 30 percent chance that it doesn’t. In that time, people who’ve spoken to Biden and those around him say, he is still anguishing over both whether there’s a path to victory and whether running is the right thing to do for those closest to him, knowing that his record would be attacked and sensitive questions about his family would be aired in public.

“His heart is saying go, ‘It’s the thing you’ve always wanted,’” said one person who’s been in touch with Biden’s staff. “His head is assessing whether there’s an opening.”


Don't worry, the next day he'll change his mind.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: President Johnson on February 04, 2019, 02:31:43 PM
Biden's back and forth starts getting pathetic at this point. I know this is not an easy decision, but why not giving yourself a defnite deadline and then enforce it? Can this be so hard? Presidents have to make lots of decisions and then live with it. Come on.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on February 04, 2019, 02:38:30 PM
Biden's back and forth starts getting pathetic at this point. I know this is not an easy decision, but why not giving yourself a defnite deadline and then enforce it? Can this be so hard? Presidents have to make lots of decisions and then live with it. Come on.

Politics is also an art of procrastination, but that Biden soap opera about his run is just too much. 


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: TheBeardedOne on February 04, 2019, 03:05:21 PM
Is there any chance Beto announces he's running tomorrow during his interview with Oprah?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 04, 2019, 04:22:51 PM
Adam Schiff's in NH today, but says he's not running for president:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/appearing-in-new-hampshire-rep-adam-schiff-says-he-is-not-running-for-president/2019/02/04/5b3e113a-28ad-11e9-b2fc-721718903bfc_story.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lambsbread on February 04, 2019, 04:31:14 PM
Is there any chance Beto announces he's running tomorrow during his interview with Oprah?

There's a better chance that he officially says he's out.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lognog on February 04, 2019, 04:36:26 PM
Is there any chance Beto announces he's running tomorrow during his interview with Oprah?

There's a better chance that he officially says he's out.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Obama-Biden Democrat on February 04, 2019, 06:55:09 PM
Are we going to have to have a A team and B team debates like the Republicans did in 2016?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: PaperKooper on February 04, 2019, 07:18:04 PM
Are we going to have to have a A team and B team debates like the Republicans did in 2016?

Yes, but with a twist.  The DNC said they would randomly assign candidates to debates on two sequential days if necessary. 


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Big Abraham on February 04, 2019, 08:16:45 PM
Biden's back and forth starts getting pathetic at this point. I know this is not an easy decision, but why not giving yourself a defnite deadline and then enforce it? Can this be so hard? Presidents have to make lots of decisions and then live with it. Come on.

He did this crap back in 2015 too. It's getting ridiculous at this point


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: An American Tail: Fubart Goes West on February 04, 2019, 11:03:59 PM
Weld registers as a Republican (https://commonwealthmagazine.org/politics/weld-rejoins-the-republican-ranks/)

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We now know the answer at least to the party question: If Weld runs, he’ll do so as Republican. The town clerk’s office in Canton, where he lives, said Weld showed up at Town Hall on January 17 and changed his party registration from Libertarian to Republican.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on February 04, 2019, 11:04:13 PM
Are we going to have to have a A team and B team debates like the Republicans did in 2016?

Yes, but with a twist.  The DNC said they would randomly assign candidates to debates on two sequential days if necessary. 

Which is a pretty bad idea. Buttigieg/Delaney/Yang don't belong on the same debate stage as Kamala or Booker. Put the top tier candidates all in one debate and just have a undercard debate for the those who want to sell books.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Dr. MB on February 04, 2019, 11:37:20 PM
Are we going to have to have a A team and B team debates like the Republicans did in 2016?

Yes, but with a twist.  The DNC said they would randomly assign candidates to debates on two sequential days if necessary.  

Which is a pretty bad idea. Buttigieg/Delaney/Yang don't belong on the same debate stage as Kamala or Booker. Put the top tier candidates all in one debate and just have a undercard debate for the those who want to sell books.
Don't blaspheme against the holy trinity, please.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: An American Tail: Fubart Goes West on February 05, 2019, 12:07:25 AM
Are we going to have to have a A team and B team debates like the Republicans did in 2016?

Yes, but with a twist.  The DNC said they would randomly assign candidates to debates on two sequential days if necessary.  

Which is a pretty bad idea. Buttigieg/Delaney/Yang don't belong on the same debate stage as Kamala or Booker. Put the top tier candidates all in one debate and just have a undercard debate for the those who want to sell books.
Don't blaspheme against the holy trinity, please.

I mean, Ojeda’s candidacy is dead... I’d say Ojeda instead of Yang.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 05, 2019, 01:11:10 AM
Hogan reiterates that his "plan" is to finish his term as governor, but "never say never" regarding 2020:

https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2019/02/04/party-leaders-add-to-hogan-2020-buzz-he-admits-he-hasnt-closed-the-door/

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“People are talking to me about it. I’m watching with great interest of all this talk. I’m flattered people are saying that and including me in those discussions. My focus, my plan right now is to stay here for four years and do the best job I can in Maryland but, as I’ve said, you never say never,” Hogan said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: An American Tail: Fubart Goes West on February 05, 2019, 03:08:46 AM
Hogan reiterates that his "plan" is to finish his term as governor, but "never say never" regarding 2020:

https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2019/02/04/party-leaders-add-to-hogan-2020-buzz-he-admits-he-hasnt-closed-the-door/

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“People are talking to me about it. I’m watching with great interest of all this talk. I’m flattered people are saying that and including me in those discussions. My focus, my plan right now is to stay here for four years and do the best job I can in Maryland but, as I’ve said, you never say never,” Hogan said.


He did use the F-word though. His comments seem to indicate that he knows he’d be tiliting at windmills if he did run. But he might do it anyway to make a point against Trump.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 05, 2019, 09:50:49 AM
O'Rourke's interview with Oprah Winfrey isn't actually airing until Feb. 16th:

https://www.apnews.com/7a7de74cd5074caabad81eabb97b0b9b

Though of course, if he used the occasion to announce a presidential run, that clip would come out immediately.  However....

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O’Rourke’s aides say he is still making up his mind on a White House run and isn’t expected to announce a decision during Tuesday’s taping.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ○∙◄☻Ątπ[╪AV┼cVę└ on February 05, 2019, 11:04:59 AM
Biden's back and forth starts getting pathetic at this point. I know this is not an easy decision, but why not giving yourself a defnite deadline and then enforce it? Can this be so hard? Presidents have to make lots of decisions and then live with it. Come on.

He did this crap back in 2015 too. It's getting ridiculous at this point

He thought about running in 1980, 1984, and 2004 as well. He didn't make it Iowa in 1988, and dropped out after Iowa in 2008.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 05, 2019, 11:16:34 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/05/john-hickenlooper-hosting-birthday-fundraiser-in-new-york-as-he-mulls-2020-run.html

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John Hickenlooper, the Democratic former Colorado governor, is coming to New York on Thursday to celebrate his birthday and raise money for his political action committee as he mulls entering the 2020 race for president, CNBC has learned.

Hickenlooper will be hosting a birthday celebration in midtown Manhattan. Suggested contributions to his Giddy Up political action committee range from $500 to $5,000, according to an invitation first reviewed by CNBC.

While the invitation does not say whether Hickenlooper has decided to run for president, an email to prospective donors hints at a major announcement could be on the horizon.

"After having finished his tenure of sixteen years of public service in Colorado (eight years as Mayor of Denver and eight as Governor), Hickenlooper is exploring his next steps to figure out if there is a path for him to help re-orient the nation's politics by solving problems together," the email says.

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Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Alabama_Indy10 on February 05, 2019, 01:13:41 PM
I meant Ross Perot as some independent candidate who doesn't have much to virtually any chances in the presidential race, and that is why I wrote above "why it is so simple to me". I am assuming that due to the leftward shift in Democratic Party as of 2019 Schultz can end like John Anderson, even worse than Perot.

Schultz wouldn't even get as much as Anderson.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on February 05, 2019, 01:40:53 PM
I meant Ross Perot as some independent candidate who doesn't have much to virtually any chances in the presidential race, and that is why I wrote above "why it is so simple to me". I am assuming that due to the leftward shift in Democratic Party as of 2019 Schultz can end like John Anderson, even worse than Perot.

Schultz wouldn't even get as much as Anderson.
Honestly I don’t even see him getting Nader levels. He has no niche, ideas, or base.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: LabourJersey on February 05, 2019, 02:18:08 PM
I meant Ross Perot as some independent candidate who doesn't have much to virtually any chances in the presidential race, and that is why I wrote above "why it is so simple to me". I am assuming that due to the leftward shift in Democratic Party as of 2019 Schultz can end like John Anderson, even worse than Perot.

Schultz wouldn't even get as much as Anderson.
Honestly I don’t even see him getting Nader levels. He has no niche, ideas, or base.

Agreed. I'd be shocked it he got above 1.5%


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 05, 2019, 04:46:40 PM
It sounds like this might conceivably be an Amy Klobuchar campaign launch event (linked from Politico):

https://t.e2ma.net/message/39esad/rgkb6z

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See this Minneapolis Park Board permit application for an event at Boom Island Park Saturday, at 11 a.m. The name of the event is "Bold North Winter Celebration," which I'm pretty sure is not a thing. (Feel free to tell me I'm wrong.) If you look at the layout of the event, it shows press risers and parking for media trucks. So there will be TV at this "Bold North Celebration"? Hmmm. (Is Bob Dylan playing a free show!?) The applicant is Jeannette Cleland of North Star Events, aka former First Lady Michelle Obama's deputy director of scheduling and one time scheduler for ... Sen. Amy Klobuchar. I called Cleland this morning and left a message. Will let you know what I hear.

Maybe this is like the graphic design work for a Klobuchar presidential campaign that was "accidentally" left at a coffee shop. But this seems more real.

Here's the Politico story I got this from, which talks about an upcoming Klobuchar trip to Iowa:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/05/klobuchar-iowa-2020-decision-1147211

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Klobuchar is to headline the Feb. 21 Ankeny Area Democrats Winter Banquet and Fundraiser in the first caucus state and her team is exploring events elsewhere in Iowa that are likely to be added to that itinerary, according to a source with knowledge of the scheduling.
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It's part of several recent moves boosting Klobuchar's public profile. An MSNBC source confirmed to POLITICO that Klobuchar is scheduled to appear on the network Tuesday night during the 10 p.m. hour, following the State of the Union. And the Minneapolis Star Tribune also reported that a former Klobuchar staffer, Jeannette Cleland, applied for a permit for an event on Boom Island Park in Minneapolis on Saturday.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 05, 2019, 05:40:20 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on February 05, 2019, 05:46:04 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/05/john-hickenlooper-hosting-birthday-fundraiser-in-new-york-as-he-mulls-2020-run.html

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John Hickenlooper, the Democratic former Colorado governor, is coming to New York on Thursday to celebrate his birthday and raise money for his political action committee as he mulls entering the 2020 race for president, CNBC has learned.

Hickenlooper will be hosting a birthday celebration in midtown Manhattan. Suggested contributions to his Giddy Up political action committee range from $500 to $5,000, according to an invitation first reviewed by CNBC.

While the invitation does not say whether Hickenlooper has decided to run for president, an email to prospective donors hints at a major announcement could be on the horizon.

"After having finished his tenure of sixteen years of public service in Colorado (eight years as Mayor of Denver and eight as Governor), Hickenlooper is exploring his next steps to figure out if there is a path for him to help re-orient the nation's politics by solving problems together," the email says.

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Replace "Giddy Up PAC" with "Hickenlooper 2020" and you have the best campaign logo of the race yet. I'm a big fan of the mountains and color scheme.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 05, 2019, 05:46:58 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on February 05, 2019, 05:48:24 PM


BETOMANIA CONFIRMED to be decided upon in the next 24 days.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lambsbread on February 05, 2019, 06:16:57 PM
Hickenlooper, Buttigieg, Gillibrand, Klobuchar, O'Rourke? Lots of last names that are not so pleasing to the ear in this primary.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Warren 4 Secretary of Everything on February 05, 2019, 06:21:16 PM


BETOMANIA CONFIRMED to be decided upon in the next 24 days.

*In Aquaman voice* MAH MAN


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ○∙◄☻Ątπ[╪AV┼cVę└ on February 05, 2019, 06:22:59 PM


BETOMANIA CONFIRMED to be decided upon in the next 24 days.

Assuming he's not Joe Biden and just bidin' his time.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Crackhead Mike Lindell on February 05, 2019, 06:42:20 PM
Hickenlooper, Buttigieg, Gillibrand, Klobuchar, O'Rourke? Lots of last names that are not so pleasing to the ear in this primary.

I, for one, can't wait for the inevitable supercut of people butchering Buttigieg's name.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️ on February 05, 2019, 11:07:04 PM
Klobuchar says she will announce whether or not she will run for President at that event in Minneapolis that has been noticed (she said so just now on MSNBC after the SOTU).


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 06, 2019, 12:58:13 AM
Hickenlooper headed to South Carolina tomorrow:

https://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/article225543195.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: American2020 on February 06, 2019, 06:19:21 AM
Sherrod Brown says he's likely to decide on 2020 run in March

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/05/politics/sherrod-brown-decision-in-march-cnntv/index.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: brucejoel99 on February 06, 2019, 08:54:22 AM
Hickenlooper, Buttigieg, Gillibrand, Klobuchar, O'Rourke? Lots of last names that are not so pleasing to the ear in this primary.

I, for one, can't wait for the inevitable supercut of people butchering Buttigieg's name.

My favorite was Donna Brazile saying his name at the 2017 DNC Chair election when she tried a bunch of times before she just gave up & called him Mayor Pete.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 06, 2019, 10:14:40 AM
Landrieu on 2020: "Never say never", but "I don't think I'm going to do it":

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/428696-mitch-landrieu-on-2020-campaign-i-dont-think-im-going-to-do-it

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Former New Orleans Mayor Mitch Landrieu (D) Wednesday poured cold water on speculation that he might run for president in 2020.

“I don’t think so. A lot of people have asked me that. I never say never, but at this point in time, I don’t think I’m going to do it,” Landrieu said on CNN when asked if he would launch a White House bid.

“The field is getting filled up. I think the Democrats have a lot of great candidates," he added. "I feel very comfortable that there are people who are going to get into this race. Each and every one of them, by the way, are better than what President Trump is offering for the country right now.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 06, 2019, 11:46:04 AM
After months of silence on the topic, Tim Ryan confirms that he's still thinking about running for president:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-tim-ryan-who-once-challenged-pelosi-for-dem-leadership-mulling-2020-presidential-bid

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“I’m still looking at it,” Ryan told Fox News’ Neil Cavuto on Tuesday. “I don’t have a time frame just yet.”
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The moderate Ohio Democrat, who in 2016 launched an unsuccessful bid to unseat now-Speaker Pelosi, D-Calif., as House party leader, said his big concerns are education, the economy and China’s global influence.

“You can say it’s moderate, it’s conservative, it’s liberal,” Ryan said. “As Americans, we need to recognize that we are in a very stiff competition with China and they are using the entire government that they have – their economic system, their educational, research, infrastructure, military, everything – to take over Asia and to displace the United States”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on February 06, 2019, 12:01:40 PM
After months of silence on the topic, Tim Ryan confirms that he's still thinking about running for president:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-tim-ryan-who-once-challenged-pelosi-for-dem-leadership-mulling-2020-presidential-bid

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“I’m still looking at it,” Ryan told Fox News’ Neil Cavuto on Tuesday. “I don’t have a time frame just yet.”
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The moderate Ohio Democrat, who in 2016 launched an unsuccessful bid to unseat now-Speaker Pelosi, D-Calif., as House party leader, said his big concerns are education, the economy and China’s global influence.

“You can say it’s moderate, it’s conservative, it’s liberal,” Ryan said. “As Americans, we need to recognize that we are in a very stiff competition with China and they are using the entire government that they have – their economic system, their educational, research, infrastructure, military, everything – to take over Asia and to displace the United States”


With Brown almost certainly in the race I doubt it will happen, and I think the fact that Brown has started to consider running (basically already campaigning) is the reason for Ryan's silence in the past months.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 06, 2019, 07:23:17 PM
Many top Dems in the early states haven't heard anything from Team Biden:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/henrygomez/joe-biden-2020-election-decision-iowa-new-hampshire

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As Joe Biden decides whether or not to run for president in 2020, top Democratic leaders in the first caucus and primary states have heard little, if anything, from the former vice president.

Biden’s plans remain a mystery to state and county party chairs, as well as other prominent activists who spoke to BuzzFeed News. Many said they’re not even in touch with close advisers or allies who would have to spring to action if and when Biden announces.

“I am unaware of any communication by anyone associated with Biden to anyone in New Hampshire in [the] past year,” Raymond Buckley, the Democratic chair in the nation’s first primary state, said Wednesday in an email. “If it has happened, I have not been told.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Big Abraham on February 06, 2019, 09:53:48 PM
Many top Dems in the early states haven't heard anything from Team Biden:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/henrygomez/joe-biden-2020-election-decision-iowa-new-hampshire

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As Joe Biden decides whether or not to run for president in 2020, top Democratic leaders in the first caucus and primary states have heard little, if anything, from the former vice president.

Biden’s plans remain a mystery to state and county party chairs, as well as other prominent activists who spoke to BuzzFeed News. Many said they’re not even in touch with close advisers or allies who would have to spring to action if and when Biden announces.

“I am unaware of any communication by anyone associated with Biden to anyone in New Hampshire in [the] past year,” Raymond Buckley, the Democratic chair in the nation’s first primary state, said Wednesday in an email. “If it has happened, I have not been told.”


Yeah, I doubt he'll run. I've been wrong before, but this does not sound like the behaviour of someone interested mounting a campaign


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Pyro on February 06, 2019, 11:30:57 PM
"Finally, the event no one has been waiting for." - Kevin Kruse



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lambsbread on February 07, 2019, 10:34:35 AM
"Finally, the event no one has been waiting for." - Kevin Kruse



I feel like a lot of people are going to watch this just to jeer him.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 07, 2019, 11:13:49 AM
Joe Kennedy says he’s not running:’

https://abcnews.go.com/beta-story-container/Politics/rep-joe-kennedy-iii-rules-2020-bid-encourages/story?id=60885874

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"I've got enough on my plate," the three-term House member said on ABC News' "Powerhouse Politics" podcast.

Biden’s been reaching out to potential supporters on Capitol Hill:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/07/biden-2020-democrats-congress-1154192

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In recent weeks, the former vice president and longtime Democratic senator has spoken with former congressional colleagues about how he sees his chances in 2020, his timing for entering the race, and what it would take for him to compete in a crowded Democratic primary.

Biden has an established fan base among Democratic lawmakers, particularly in the Senate, where he served for 36 years. The outreach indicates that Biden is looking to lock down establishment support on the front end of a campaign to give him an edge in a splintered field.

Inslee again says that he’ll decide in “week, not months”:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/06/washington-gov-jay-inslee-nears-decision-on-2020-presidential-run.html

[I think he first said that two weeks ago, so presumably there can’t be *that* many weeks left to go.]

Hickenlooper headed to NH next week:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fmr-colorado-gov-hickenlooper-making-moves-towards-2020-run

Bullock and Hickenlooper are both among those who have been reaching out to donors in California recently:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/06/2020-democrats-california-1154284


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on February 07, 2019, 12:10:50 PM
"Finally, the event no one has been waiting for." - Kevin Kruse



Why? 


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Comrade Funk on February 07, 2019, 01:22:36 PM
"Finally, the event no one has been waiting for." - Kevin Kruse



Why? 
You're asking why CNN would hold a pointless townhall for a candidate only bothsides-ist TV pundits cares about? This is f'n CNN...


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on February 07, 2019, 03:15:22 PM
"Finally, the event no one has been waiting for." - Kevin Kruse



Just wow


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on February 07, 2019, 03:18:51 PM
"Finally, the event no one has been waiting for." - Kevin Kruse



Why? 
You're asking why CNN would hold a pointless townhall for a candidate only bothsides-ist TV pundits cares about? This is f'n CNN...

This is bad even for them though


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 07, 2019, 04:38:43 PM
A Sanders campaign source in NH says Sanders is likely to decide on a run by the end of the month:

https://www.wmur.com/article/nh-primary-source-sanders-close-to-decision-on-second-presidential-run/26229520

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Bernie Sanders is still considering whether to make a second run for president, but there have been signals received locally during in the past several days that he’s likely to get into the race.

A key Sanders supporter tells New Hampshire Primary source that it is becoming increasingly clear that the 2016 leadoff primary winner is close to making a decision, most likely before the end of the month -- and that it is more likely than not that Sanders will run.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lambsbread on February 07, 2019, 04:41:56 PM
A Sanders campaign source in NH says Sanders is likely to decide on a run by the end of the month:

https://www.wmur.com/article/nh-primary-source-sanders-close-to-decision-on-second-presidential-run/26229520

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Bernie Sanders is still considering whether to make a second run for president, but there have been signals received locally during in the past several days that he’s likely to get into the race.

A key Sanders supporter tells New Hampshire Primary source that it is becoming increasingly clear that the 2016 leadoff primary winner is close to making a decision, most likely before the end of the month -- and that it is more likely than not that Sanders will run.

So I guess "announcing imminently" means "thinking about making a decision within a month", got it


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 07, 2019, 06:20:28 PM
"Friends" of Bill Weld expect him to make clear that he's "testing the waters" for a GOP primary challenge when he speaks in NH on the 15th:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2019/02/07/bill-weld-could-major-thorn-trump-side/bqYJlublHlI3U7C1XcNzJJ/story.html

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That’s certainly what friends Weld has confided in expect. Mind you, the former Massachusetts governor, now 73, didn’t say so himself when I talked with him on Thursday. But asked if he’s going to be making news with his Granite State address, Weld said yes.

“It will deal comprehensively with my thoughts about the 2020 election,” he said.

And WMUR says that Weld will be making a return trip to NH later in the month:

https://www.wmur.com/article/nh-primary-source-weld-plans-to-return-to-nh-for-second-time-after-revealing-2020-plans/26229662

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But we’ve now learned Weld has scheduled a second visit to New Hampshire. He’ll speak at New England College on Feb. 26 as part of its Center for Civic Engagement’s Town Hall Meeting Series. The visit was confirmed by Dr. Wayne Lesperance, vice president for academic affairs and a political science professor at the college.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Shadows on February 07, 2019, 10:02:17 PM
Bernie Sanders & Goldman's Ex CEO are locked in a twitter feud.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Comrade Funk on February 07, 2019, 10:27:12 PM
Bernie Sanders & Goldman's Ex CEO are locked in a twitter feud.
Okay. No one cares.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: TheBeardedOne on February 07, 2019, 11:33:00 PM
Bernie Sanders & Goldman's Ex CEO are locked in a twitter feud.

Link? Can’t find anything on it.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 08, 2019, 01:19:23 AM
Stacey Abrams asked about her future, and says she’s “thinking about everything”, and will figure out what to do by the end of March:

https://www.thecut.com/2019/02/stacey-abrams-hasnt-ruled-out-a-2020-presidential-run.html

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Just days after delivering an inspiring rebuttal to President Trump’s State of the Union address, Abrams appeared on BuzzFeed News’ AM to DM, where she was hit with the hottest question in politics right now: Are you running for president? Abrams had told Politico in early December that she wasn’t even considering it; on Thursday morning, though, she admitted that she was “thinking about everything.”

“I gave myself a deadline of the end of March to make a decision about what I’m going to do next,” she said. “I don’t believe in cutting off opportunities, or forgoing ideas. But often what you find is if you think about something beyond your scope, there’s something in the middle you never thought about.”

Hickenlooper’s PAC has hired a full-time staffer in Iowa:

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2019/02/07/john-hickenlooper-hires-2020-iowa-caucuses-staff-caucus-presidential-former-colorado-governor/2804363002/

Moulton to give a speech on his “vision for the future of U.S. foreign policy” next week at the Brookings Institution:

https://www.salemnews.com/news/state_news/moulton-to-outline-foreign-police-vision/article_4a83a5e7-89ac-5e9a-887d-09cfadb718ec.html

Bloomberg’s team has discussed the possibility of an announcement on his birthday (Feb. 14th), but that seems out because he’s still undecided about whether he’s going to run or not:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/02/indecision-2020-mike-bloombergs-presidential-dream-springs-eternal

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Indeed, Bloomberg is trying to calculate two things: whether he can have more influence on the issues he cares about by spending his money or by running for office—and, if he runs, whether he has a viable shot at winning the Democratic nomination. The hostile reaction to Howard Schultz’s independent-bid trial balloon was viewed, in Bloomberg’s camp, as underscoring the Democratic determination to beat Trump, not as a rejection of billionaire businessman candidates. Bloomberg’s team has weighed how his chances might change with different timelines: on the one hand, Bloomberg, unlike conventional politicians, doesn’t need to raise money, so he can wait as long as he likes and see how the field develops. On the other, a later entry makes recruiting field staff harder, and allows a front-runner to gain momentum.
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Having two older, white, male, moderate-ish contenders in the field would likely hurt them both. So Bloomberg and Biden have been doing a peculiar dance, keeping a close eye on one another while acting as if they don’t care what the other decides. The two men crossed paths on Martin Luther King Jr. Day, giving speeches at Reverend Al Sharpton’s commemoration in Washington, D.C.; neither mentioned their potential candidacy. Both have kept their outreach to potential Iowa field staff to a minimum, even as Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, Kirsten Gillibrand, Cory Booker, and other declared contenders rapidly stock their campaign teams. “We’ve got a really strong field already,“ says Norm Sterzenbach, the former executive director of the Iowa Democratic Party. “People are looking forward—we don’t need the savior, the elder statesman, to set us on the right course. Though Bloomberg would start in a good place, because competency is going to be a big argument, given the president we have now.”

Last week, when a flurry of stories appeared detailing how Bloomberg, even if he didn’t run, would deploy his data operation to defeat Trump, a rival Democratic strategist interpreted it as a sign the Bloomberg team had picked up intelligence indicating Biden had decided to run. Bloomberg’s associates say they don’t have any inside knowledge of what Biden will do. And they don’t believe the former mayor is deferring to the former vice president, either intentionally or subconsciously, even though Biden’s decision would provide another highly valuable data point. “Mike still has an engineer’s brain,” one colleague says. Yet Bloomberg’s heart has been in this one far more than in previous flirtations—certainly because of his disgust with Trump, but also because that looming birthday is a stark reminder that if he doesn’t take a shot at the White House now, he never will.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 08, 2019, 09:55:24 AM
Sanders reportedly “likely” to launch an exploratory committee before the end of this month:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/02/bernie-sanders-close-announcing-presidential-campaign/582328/

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The Vermont senator has been huddling with staff in meetings and phone calls over the last few weeks, chewing over plans. Barring a surprise last minute change of heart, he will jump in for the 2020 race, convinced he can win, according to people familiar with his plans. His spokeswoman, Arianna Jones, did not return a request for comment on Sanders’s plans.

Last time, he didn’t get in until the end of April 2015. This time, the launch will be in February. He sees advantage  in a much more crowded 2020 field. The left-leaning politics he campaigned on in 2016 have been broadly embraced in a progressive surge among Democrats, and Sanders has succeeded in diminishing the nominating power of so-called super delegates, the elected officials and party elders who help consolidate establishment power within the Democratic National Committee.

Sanders will likely announce an exploratory committee in the coming weeks, followed by a rally.  One major early focus will be finding a campaign manager and other top-level staffers who are not white, and preferably not male, in light of his problems appealing to minority voters in 2016, and recent revelations of sexual harassment by lower level staffers in the 2016 campaign. Staff interviews have been quietly underway.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Cold War Liberal on February 08, 2019, 12:34:39 PM
I love how JPK III gave a fine, but uninspiring SOTU response last year and for a week or so half of Atlas was sure he was going to be coronated President in 2021, or at least be the next VP. Then Stacey Abrams brings down the roof this year and there are 0 "Abrams 2020?????!?!???!?" threads on this board that I can find. I don't think she should run, but she'd be a better candidate and President than any of the living Kennedys.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ○∙◄☻Ątπ[╪AV┼cVę└ on February 08, 2019, 12:42:50 PM
I love how JPK III gave a fine, but uninspiring SOTU response last year and for a week or so half of Atlas was sure he was going to be coronated President in 2021, or at least be the next VP. Then Stacey Abrams brings down the roof this year and there are 0 "Abrams 2020?????!?!???!?" threads on this board that I can find. I don't think she should run, but she'd be a better candidate and President than any of the living Kennedys.

Being more inspiring than empty suit Joe Kennedy III doesn't mean you'd be a great Presidential candidate.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Cold War Liberal on February 08, 2019, 12:50:37 PM
Being more inspiring than empty suit Joe Kennedy III doesn't mean you'd be a great Presidential candidate.



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on February 08, 2019, 01:11:14 PM
I love how JPK III gave a fine, but uninspiring SOTU response last year and for a week or so half of Atlas was sure he was going to be coronated President in 2021, or at least be the next VP. Then Stacey Abrams brings down the roof this year and there are 0 "Abrams 2020?????!?!???!?" threads on this board that I can find. I don't think she should run, but she'd be a better candidate and President than any of the living Kennedys.

Nah, they're both bound for the Senate, JPK replacing Warren and Abrams (hopefully) replacing Perdue.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on February 08, 2019, 06:01:59 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on February 08, 2019, 07:44:53 PM


Betomania is coming back!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook on February 08, 2019, 08:36:13 PM
Is it too early to put together something like this?:

Can someone post a complete list of those who are a least musing about running on the Pub side? I mean the number of names is giving me a headache. Ehrlich? Who is he? Some guy from Maryland or something?  That guy who was drawn out of his CD seat in the Baltimore burbs back in 2002? Are we up to a score of them yet? A lot of folks really seem to want to increase their speaking fee rate it seems.

Already announced their candidacy
Sen. Ted Cruz (TX)
Sen. Rand Paul (KY)
Sen. Marco Rubio (FL)

Planning to make an announcement next week
neurosurgeon Ben Carson
former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina
former Gov. Mike Huckabee (AR)

Has an exploratory committee
businessman Donald Trump

Has a "testing the waters" committee / 527
Sen. Lindsey Graham (SC)
Gov. John Kasich (OH)
former Sen. Rick Santorum (PA)
Gov. Scott Walker (WI)

Has a PAC that they seem to be using as a stealth presidential campaign
former UN Ambassador John Bolton
former Gov. Jeb Bush (FL)
Gov. Chris Christie (NJ)
Gov. Bobby Jindal (LA)
former Gov. George Pataki (NY)
former Gov. Rick Perry (TX)

Has been making trips to New Hampshire, and at least publicly says that a run for president is on the table
former Gov. Bob Ehrlich (MD)
former Gov. Jim Gilmore (VA)
Rep. Peter King (NY)

Has no PAC or exploratory committee, and has only made one recent visit to an early primary state, but has just recently started talking about the fact that he might run for president, and will make a decision soon
Gov. Rick Snyder (MI)

Had talked about running for president a few months ago, but have kind of dropped off the face of the Earth, and don't seem to be laying the groundwork at this point; still, they haven't given any kind of definitive statement ruling it out, so I guess it's still possible
former Gov. Sarah Palin (AK)
Gov. Mike Pence (IN)

So what is that?  23 names in total if you count everyone?



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on February 08, 2019, 09:38:58 PM
Buffalo, New York Mayor Byron Brown is considering a longshot bid for President and/or VP.

https://buffalochronicle.com/2019/02/08/yes-byron-brown-should-run-for-president/?fbclid=IwAR0CAujPr29dHwXPoqRw09uXuBT6a3mpBe32vO8z86J6q9uKABM0_EfGbrg

Former Chair of the NYS Democratic Committee, NYS Senator, and Clinton 2016 superdelegate. Also, Mayor of Buffalo, New York.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lambsbread on February 08, 2019, 09:42:57 PM
Buffalo, New York Mayor Byron Brown is considering a longshot bid for President and/or VP.

https://buffalochronicle.com/2019/02/08/yes-byron-brown-should-run-for-president/?fbclid=IwAR0CAujPr29dHwXPoqRw09uXuBT6a3mpBe32vO8z86J6q9uKABM0_EfGbrg

Former Chair of the NYS Democratic Committee, NYS Senator, and Clinton 2016 superdelegate. Also, Mayor of Buffalo, New York.

"Buffalo, New York Mayor [...] Also, Mayor of Buffalo, New York."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on February 08, 2019, 09:45:01 PM
Buffalo, New York Mayor Byron Brown is considering a longshot bid for President and/or VP.

https://buffalochronicle.com/2019/02/08/yes-byron-brown-should-run-for-president/?fbclid=IwAR0CAujPr29dHwXPoqRw09uXuBT6a3mpBe32vO8z86J6q9uKABM0_EfGbrg

Former Chair of the NYS Democratic Committee, NYS Senator, and Clinton 2016 superdelegate. Also, Mayor of Buffalo, New York.

"Buffalo, New York Mayor [...] Also, Mayor of Buffalo, New York."

Has a Pete Buttigieg sig /s


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on February 08, 2019, 10:52:09 PM
Is it too early to put together something like this?:

Can someone post a complete list of those who are a least musing about running on the Pub side? I mean the number of names is giving me a headache. Ehrlich? Who is he? Some guy from Maryland or something?  That guy who was drawn out of his CD seat in the Baltimore burbs back in 2002? Are we up to a score of them yet? A lot of folks really seem to want to increase their speaking fee rate it seems.

Already announced their candidacy
Sen. Ted Cruz (TX)
Sen. Rand Paul (KY)
Sen. Marco Rubio (FL)

Planning to make an announcement next week
neurosurgeon Ben Carson
former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina
former Gov. Mike Huckabee (AR)

Has an exploratory committee
businessman Donald Trump

Has a "testing the waters" committee / 527
Sen. Lindsey Graham (SC)
Gov. John Kasich (OH)
former Sen. Rick Santorum (PA)
Gov. Scott Walker (WI)

Has a PAC that they seem to be using as a stealth presidential campaign
former UN Ambassador John Bolton
former Gov. Jeb Bush (FL)
Gov. Chris Christie (NJ)
Gov. Bobby Jindal (LA)
former Gov. George Pataki (NY)
former Gov. Rick Perry (TX)

Has been making trips to New Hampshire, and at least publicly says that a run for president is on the table
former Gov. Bob Ehrlich (MD)
former Gov. Jim Gilmore (VA)
Rep. Peter King (NY)

Has no PAC or exploratory committee, and has only made one recent visit to an early primary state, but has just recently started talking about the fact that he might run for president, and will make a decision soon
Gov. Rick Snyder (MI)

Had talked about running for president a few months ago, but have kind of dropped off the face of the Earth, and don't seem to be laying the groundwork at this point; still, they haven't given any kind of definitive statement ruling it out, so I guess it's still possible
former Gov. Sarah Palin (AK)
Gov. Mike Pence (IN)

So what is that?  23 names in total if you count everyone?

Hahaha I remember that post. I’d say the time is right.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Crackhead Mike Lindell on February 09, 2019, 03:13:15 AM
Buffalo, New York Mayor Byron Brown is considering a longshot bid for President and/or VP.

https://buffalochronicle.com/2019/02/08/yes-byron-brown-should-run-for-president/?fbclid=IwAR0CAujPr29dHwXPoqRw09uXuBT6a3mpBe32vO8z86J6q9uKABM0_EfGbrg

Former Chair of the NYS Democratic Committee, NYS Senator, and Clinton 2016 superdelegate. Also, Mayor of Buffalo, New York.

Would make a great running mate for Wayne Messam.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 09, 2019, 06:00:31 AM
Bloomberg says he'll announce his decision by the end of the month:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bloomberg-to-announce-2020-decision-by-end-of-month/

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Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Friday that he'll decide by the end of the month whether to seek the presidency.

The 76-year-old businessman, one of the richest men in the world, has been openly contemplating a Democratic White House bid since late last year. In an interview with The Associated Press, Bloomberg said he has "three more weeks" to make his decision in line with his plan to announce his intentions before the end of February.

He also rejected a recent report suggesting he likely wouldn't run if former Vice President Joe Biden enters the race.

"My decision doesn't depend on what other people are going to do," Bloomberg said. "My decision depends on whether or not I think I can make a difference."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: History505 on February 09, 2019, 10:10:35 AM
Elizabeth Warren is going to make an official announcement today in Lawrence, Mass at 11:00 EST today.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lambsbread on February 09, 2019, 11:08:44 AM
Buffalo, New York Mayor Byron Brown is considering a longshot bid for President and/or VP.

https://buffalochronicle.com/2019/02/08/yes-byron-brown-should-run-for-president/?fbclid=IwAR0CAujPr29dHwXPoqRw09uXuBT6a3mpBe32vO8z86J6q9uKABM0_EfGbrg

Former Chair of the NYS Democratic Committee, NYS Senator, and Clinton 2016 superdelegate. Also, Mayor of Buffalo, New York.

"Buffalo, New York Mayor [...] Also, Mayor of Buffalo, New York."

Has a Pete Buttigieg sig /s

That uhhhhh.......wasn't the point. It was the redundancy of the way you wrote that sentence.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 09, 2019, 12:29:58 PM
O’Rourke to headline a rally at the border on Monday:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/429232-orourke-to-headline-counter-trump-rally-at-border

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Former Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-Texas) will headline a rally on Monday in El Paso at the same time that President Trump is set to hold a rally there.

O'Rourke will join rally-goers in El Paso to "show the country the reality of the border," according to a statement released by his office Friday.

“Beto O’Rourke will join with his city on Monday evening to show the country the reality of the border -- a vibrant, safe, binational community that proudly celebrates its culture, history, diversity and status as a city of immigrants,” the statement said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook on February 09, 2019, 01:07:37 PM
Come on Mr. Modern, do that sorting thing like you did in 2015 that I quoted on the last page for 2020!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: An American Tail: Fubart Goes West on February 09, 2019, 01:14:14 PM
Come on Mr. Modern, do that sorting thing like you did in 2015 that I quoted on the last page for 2020!
You mean like this thread? (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=313177.0)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 09, 2019, 05:20:06 PM
Come on Mr. Modern, do that sorting thing like you did in 2015 that I quoted on the last page for 2020!

I don’t think some of those categories make sense anymore.  Virtually everyone is either:

1) already running or has an exploratory committee (and an exploratory committee is legally effectively the same as already running)

2) publicly admitting that they’re thinking about running, and using a PAC or similar mechanism to fund their testing of the waters, or

3) have already ruled out running.

Though there are a few borderline cases that I can get into.  But I don’t think it makes sense to parse out which not-yet-legally-candidates are using PACs, since almost all of them are, and in many cases they’ve had them for years, since tons of politicians do nowadays, even if they have no intention of running for president.

Anyway, you should already know who’s already “officially in” or has an exploratory committee, so I’ll skip them and list the others on the Dem. side only:

Apparently going to announce tomorrow
Klobuchar

Publicly say that they’re thinking about running for president
Bennet
Biden
Bloomberg
Brown
Bullock
de Blasio
Hickenlooper
Holder
Inslee
McAuliffe
Merkley
O’Rourke
Ryan
Sanders
Swalwell

Maybe thinking about it, but with an asterisk
Abrams: Said she’s “thinking about everything”, which I guess opens the door, but didn’t really single out a presidential run as more likely than any other option in the world.  In any case, she says she’ll figure it out by the end of March.

Moulton: Back in October, he said that a presidential run is not “the best way [he] could serve his country right now.”  But then just in the past week, we have an anonymous source saying he’s still thinking about running, and he made a trip to New Hampshire.  While there, he didn’t talk about 2020, except to say that he wants to spend the next two years making sure Trump isn’t reelected.  So he hasn’t publicly reopened the door, but he’s hinting at it.

Have given some version of “I’m not thinking about it, but I never rule anything out, so I guess there’s a small chance it’ll happen”
Kerry
Landrieu

Apparently thinking about it, but they’re so obscure that no one cares
Byron Brown
Wayne Messam
Richard Vague


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on February 09, 2019, 05:39:13 PM
According to my source (I wrote a few posts like this in this thread with informations about Democratic primaries) there is some kind of infighting between Sanders and Warren about staffers, donors, money,  or simply who is better candidate of progressive wing in these primaries and whole elections and stuff.

That is not good news for progressives.

How is this bad news? Not only is Warren only getting 5% while Sanders still remains in 2nd with her on the ballot, but I would say its worse for a candidate like Harris to have Booker in the race than Sanders to have Warren in the race.

Also, Im pretty sure most of the field is pretty Progressive.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on February 09, 2019, 05:41:35 PM
According to my source (I wrote a few posts like this in this thread with informations about Democratic primaries) there is some kind of infighting between Sanders and Warren about staffers, donors, money,  or simply who is better candidate of progressive wing in these primaries and whole elections and stuff.

That is not good news for progressives.

Poland hacks the DNC!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Harlow on February 09, 2019, 07:50:27 PM
According to my source (I wrote a few posts like this in this thread with informations about Democratic primaries) there is some kind of infighting between Sanders and Warren about staffers, donors, money,  or simply who is better candidate of progressive wing in these primaries and whole elections and stuff.

That is not good news for progressives.

Infighting between two candidates in a primary? Well I never!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 09, 2019, 09:13:00 PM
Tim Ryan says he plans to visit both Iowa and New Hampshire again "in the coming weeks":

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/henrygomez/rep-tim-ryan-is-heading-to-iowa-and-new-hampshire-as-he

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Ryan had few concrete details about the trips. He said an activist whom he declined to identify invited him to a New Hampshire “grassroots meet-and-greet” event after hearing Ryan speak out about General Motors’ decision to idle a factory in his district. In March, he said, he’s scheduled to attend an agriculture forum at Buena Vista University in Storm Lake, Iowa.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 10, 2019, 11:46:29 AM
O’Rourke to headline a rally at the border on Monday:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/429232-orourke-to-headline-counter-trump-rally-at-border

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Former Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-Texas) will headline a rally on Monday in El Paso at the same time that President Trump is set to hold a rally there.

O'Rourke will join rally-goers in El Paso to "show the country the reality of the border," according to a statement released by his office Friday.

“Beto O’Rourke will join with his city on Monday evening to show the country the reality of the border -- a vibrant, safe, binational community that proudly celebrates its culture, history, diversity and status as a city of immigrants,” the statement said.


More on this here:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/beto-orourke-speech-trump-rally-texas-2020-campaign-announcement-a8771746.html

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Beto O’Rourke has said he will give a speech from the US-Mexico border where he will deliver a “bold, confident, ambitious message for the country” - as Donald Trump holds a rally at the Democrat's hometown in Texas at the same time.

Mr O'Rourke announced details on Saturday surrounding the upcoming speech in El Paso, Texas, set for Monday at 5pm. He will be one of the main speakers at the “March For Truth” anti-border wall protest hosted by the local chapter of the Women’s March. Meanwhile, the president will be hosting his rally at the nearby El Paso County Coliseum.

“Come one, come all!” Mr O’Rourke wrote on Twitter. “A bold, confident, ambitious message for the country from the US - Mexico border.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on February 10, 2019, 12:04:28 PM
According to my source (I wrote a few posts like this in this thread with informations about Democratic primaries) there is some kind of infighting between Sanders and Warren about staffers, donors, money,  or simply who is better candidate of progressive wing in these primaries and whole elections and stuff.

That is not good news for progressives.

Infighting between two candidates in a primary? Well I never!

That is not good news for progressives, because they are already being fractured and their position in the whole Democratic Party had weakened a bit since 2016 in the context of presidential primaries. You see, Bernie's "five minutes of fame" have irrecoverable gone, Tulsi's campaign is in disarray, and we'll see what happens with Warren (although I am assuming that Warren will be pumped no matter what by her minions), and with knowing what I wrote above, Bernie's run will be terrible in consequences for progressives in 2020.

There is so much wrong with this.

First, I should establish the fact that Warren, Tulsi and Sanders are not the only "Progressives" in this race. In fact, the field has more Progressives than anything else. In fact, you have one of the Progressive faction's candidates in your sig.

Second of all, we already know what Sanders, Warren, and Tulsi running would look like, because we have polling of that exact subject. Sanders gets around 15%, Warren 5%, and Tulsi 1-2%. Even if Warren were to drop out and her voters were to go towards Sanders(or vice versa), the candidate would only have 22%, which puts them in second place. Biden has the race unless he screws up/doesnt run, which are very high possibilities.

Last up, its a primary. Candidates drop out. If Warren is only getting 3%, she isnt going to stay in for the whole race, same with Gillibrand, whos getting 0%, and same with Booker if he doesnt get the votes. I mean, if you want a good example, you could say that Obama entering into the 2008 primary guaranteed the win to Hillary because Obama and Edwards were splitting the vote. Well, we all know what happened.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Alabama_Indy10 on February 10, 2019, 01:24:12 PM
According to my source (I wrote a few posts like this in this thread with informations about Democratic primaries) there is some kind of infighting between Sanders and Warren about staffers, donors, money,  or simply who is better candidate of progressive wing in these primaries and whole elections and stuff.

That is not good news for progressives.

I could have told you that.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Skye on February 10, 2019, 01:41:39 PM


Well, at least we know she's not gonna have the problems Martha Coakley did.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Harlow on February 10, 2019, 04:09:13 PM


Well, at least we know she's not gonna have the problems Martha Coakley did.

Such a boring logo compared to the mock-up found in a DC cafe.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on February 10, 2019, 05:38:54 PM
According to my source (I wrote a few posts like this in this thread with informations about Democratic primaries) there is some kind of infighting between Sanders and Warren about staffers, donors, money,  or simply who is better candidate of progressive wing in these primaries and whole elections and stuff.

That is not good news for progressives.

Infighting between two candidates in a primary? Well I never!

That is not good news for progressives, because they are already being fractured and their position in the whole Democratic Party had weakened a bit since 2016 in the context of presidential primaries. You see, Bernie's "five minutes of fame" have irrecoverable gone, Tulsi's campaign is in disarray, and we'll see what happens with Warren (although I am assuming that Warren will be pumped no matter what by her minions), and with knowing what I wrote above, Bernie's run will be terrible in consequences for progressives in 2020.

There is so much wrong with this.

First, I should establish the fact that Warren, Tulsi and Sanders are not the only "Progressives" in this race. In fact, the field has more Progressives than anything else. In fact, you have one of the Progressive faction's candidates in your sig.

Second of all, we already know what Sanders, Warren, and Tulsi running would look like, because we have polling of that exact subject. Sanders gets around 15%, Warren 5%, and Tulsi 1-2%. Even if Warren were to drop out and her voters were to go towards Sanders(or vice versa), the candidate would only have 22%, which puts them in second place. Biden has the race unless he screws up/doesnt run, which are very high possibilities.

Last up, its a primary. Candidates drop out. If Warren is only getting 3%, she isnt going to stay in for the whole race, same with Gillibrand, whos getting 0%, and same with Booker if he doesnt get the votes. I mean, if you want a good example, you could say that Obama entering into the 2008 primary guaranteed the win to Hillary because Obama and Edwards were splitting the vote. Well, we all know what happened.

But peoples like Warren, Gabbard or Sanders are expressly called as "progressives" and they in fact, are progressives, case with Kamala is a little bit complicated, I mean, I see her as something like a bridge between more mainstream and progressive positions within Democrats, using the European manners - Kamala is something close to being a social democrat (so do ex. Booker), while ex. Warren is a pure socialist to me.

I wouldn't be so sure if Warren would be quitting her campaign because getting low polling numbers or low primaries results - her electorate will start making another conspiracy theories like they did in 2016 with Bernie - "Bernie would have won", "Rigged primaries" and so on. You, progressives have such high presumption of yourself, that you think that whole Democratic Party have the high honor and privilege to have peoples like Bernie running in primaries within Democrats. I saw one Atlas's progressive writing such stuff not a long time ago here. That is completely absurd!

I think that the example with Obama isn't a good example. Obama was just some kind of mainstream outsider with no powerful backing like HRC or Edwards who simply won primaries and elections by posing as someone outside DC or Democratic establishment, and Warren or Bernie or Tulsi isn't going to be a "second Obama", but Kamala is going to be, because she's also black, have immigrant parents (both father and mother), and is a woman (electorate would be closer to accept woman, especially woman of color than men) and she may run a campaign similar to Obama in 2008.

I am aware that this is primary, and there is some saying that goes "don't count your chickens until they hatched", but I can also draw some conclusions from what I see now.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on February 10, 2019, 06:39:00 PM
I think that the example with Obama isn't a good example. Obama was just some kind of mainstream outsider with no powerful backing like HRC or Edwards who simply won primaries and elections by posing as someone outside DC or Democratic establishment, and Warren or Bernie or Tulsi isn't going to be a "second Obama", but Kamala is going to be, because she's also black, have immigrant parents (both father and mother), and is a woman (electorate would be closer to accept woman, especially woman of color than men) and she may run a campaign similar to Obama in 2008.

Obama won because he opposed the invasion of Iraq from the start, while HRC and Edwards initially supported the invasion.  It's remarkable how this pivotal detail has gone down the memory hole.  Obama was right on the central issue of the 2008 primaries, and the others were wrong.  There's no similar dividing line in the 2020 primaries.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on February 10, 2019, 09:21:12 PM
According to my source (I wrote a few posts like this in this thread with informations about Democratic primaries) there is some kind of infighting between Sanders and Warren about staffers, donors, money,  or simply who is better candidate of progressive wing in these primaries and whole elections and stuff.

That is not good news for progressives.

Infighting between two candidates in a primary? Well I never!

That is not good news for progressives, because they are already being fractured and their position in the whole Democratic Party had weakened a bit since 2016 in the context of presidential primaries. You see, Bernie's "five minutes of fame" have irrecoverable gone, Tulsi's campaign is in disarray, and we'll see what happens with Warren (although I am assuming that Warren will be pumped no matter what by her minions), and with knowing what I wrote above, Bernie's run will be terrible in consequences for progressives in 2020.

There is so much wrong with this.

First, I should establish the fact that Warren, Tulsi and Sanders are not the only "Progressives" in this race. In fact, the field has more Progressives than anything else. In fact, you have one of the Progressive faction's candidates in your sig.

Second of all, we already know what Sanders, Warren, and Tulsi running would look like, because we have polling of that exact subject. Sanders gets around 15%, Warren 5%, and Tulsi 1-2%. Even if Warren were to drop out and her voters were to go towards Sanders(or vice versa), the candidate would only have 22%, which puts them in second place. Biden has the race unless he screws up/doesnt run, which are very high possibilities.

Last up, its a primary. Candidates drop out. If Warren is only getting 3%, she isnt going to stay in for the whole race, same with Gillibrand, whos getting 0%, and same with Booker if he doesnt get the votes. I mean, if you want a good example, you could say that Obama entering into the 2008 primary guaranteed the win to Hillary because Obama and Edwards were splitting the vote. Well, we all know what happened.
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I know this thread isnt meant for this kinda stuff, but.....

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But peoples like Warren, Gabbard or Sanders are expressly called as "progressives" and they in fact, are progressives, case with Kamala is a little bit complicated, I mean, I see her as something like a bridge between more mainstream and progressive positions within Democrats, using the European manners - Kamala is something close to being a social democrat (so do ex. Booker), while ex. Warren is a pure socialist to me.

Almost every candidate in the race has called themselves Progressives, including Kamala, who has endorsed almost every single position that every Warren and Sanders have. To say that Kamala is a SocDem, while Warren is just a Socialist is ridiculous, especially when using the European model. Both would be considered variants of Social Democrats, as would Sanders.

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I wouldn't be so sure if Warren would be quitting her campaign because getting low polling numbers or low primaries results - her electorate will start making another conspiracy theories like they did in 2016 with Bernie - "Bernie would have won", "Rigged primaries" and so on. You, progressives have such high presumption of yourself, that you think that whole Democratic Party have the high honor and privilege to have peoples like Bernie running in primaries within Democrats. I saw one Atlas's progressive writing such stuff not a long time ago here. That is completely absurd!

These are pointless assumptions with no evidence to back it up. If Warren doesnt see a path to win, she will drop out, end of story. Even if 6 Warren fans on the internet start claiming fraud, it still doesnt matter.

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I think that the example with Obama isn't a good example. Obama was just some kind of mainstream outsider with no powerful backing like HRC or Edwards who simply won primaries and elections by posing as someone outside DC or Democratic establishment, and Warren or Bernie or Tulsi isn't going to be a "second Obama", but Kamala is going to be, because she's also black, have immigrant parents (both father and mother), and is a woman (electorate would be closer to accept woman, especially woman of color than men) and she may run a campaign similar to Obama in 2008.

You are applying 2016 dynamics to a time when this wasnt an issue.(Jeb_Arlo nailed what was a big issue at the time) And if you want evidence of the situation that I described, just look at the primary polling.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html

Its pretty clear that Edwards and Obama split the vote, and when looking at 2008, it makes sense. Both Obama and Edwards were running much more populist campaigns, with Edwards focusing on Economic issues and Obama on Race issues. The two shared many campaign promises and were good friends to each other, with both of them notably going after Clinton in the debates, while leaving the other alone. When Edwards dropped out, his voters went to Obama, and, in the end, gave him the nomination.

I should also mention the fact that just because Kamala is Black doesnt mean she will be the next Obama, nor does that mean she will win the AA vote. In a way, thats pretty racist to assume. Castro is probably not going to win the Hispanic vote either.

Anyway, the Progressives arent in trouble because of a 5% voter split from Sanders, who may not run anyway. I mean, Progressives have a pretty large field to choose from. In a way, a better question is to ask "How can a moderate Democrat win?".


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on February 11, 2019, 07:00:53 AM
According to my source (I wrote a few posts like this in this thread with informations about Democratic primaries) there is some kind of infighting between Sanders and Warren about staffers, donors, money,  or simply who is better candidate of progressive wing in these primaries and whole elections and stuff.

That is not good news for progressives.

Infighting between two candidates in a primary? Well I never!

That is not good news for progressives, because they are already being fractured and their position in the whole Democratic Party had weakened a bit since 2016 in the context of presidential primaries. You see, Bernie's "five minutes of fame" have irrecoverable gone, Tulsi's campaign is in disarray, and we'll see what happens with Warren (although I am assuming that Warren will be pumped no matter what by her minions), and with knowing what I wrote above, Bernie's run will be terrible in consequences for progressives in 2020.

There is so much wrong with this.

First, I should establish the fact that Warren, Tulsi and Sanders are not the only "Progressives" in this race. In fact, the field has more Progressives than anything else. In fact, you have one of the Progressive faction's candidates in your sig.

Second of all, we already know what Sanders, Warren, and Tulsi running would look like, because we have polling of that exact subject. Sanders gets around 15%, Warren 5%, and Tulsi 1-2%. Even if Warren were to drop out and her voters were to go towards Sanders(or vice versa), the candidate would only have 22%, which puts them in second place. Biden has the race unless he screws up/doesnt run, which are very high possibilities.

Last up, its a primary. Candidates drop out. If Warren is only getting 3%, she isnt going to stay in for the whole race, same with Gillibrand, whos getting 0%, and same with Booker if he doesnt get the votes. I mean, if you want a good example, you could say that Obama entering into the 2008 primary guaranteed the win to Hillary because Obama and Edwards were splitting the vote. Well, we all know what happened.
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I know this thread isnt meant for this kinda stuff, but.....

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But peoples like Warren, Gabbard or Sanders are expressly called as "progressives" and they in fact, are progressives, case with Kamala is a little bit complicated, I mean, I see her as something like a bridge between more mainstream and progressive positions within Democrats, using the European manners - Kamala is something close to being a social democrat (so do ex. Booker), while ex. Warren is a pure socialist to me.

Almost every candidate in the race has called themselves Progressives, including Kamala, who has endorsed almost every single position that every Warren and Sanders have. To say that Kamala is a SocDem, while Warren is just a Socialist is ridiculous, especially when using the European model. Both would be considered variants of Social Democrats, as would Sanders.

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I wouldn't be so sure if Warren would be quitting her campaign because getting low polling numbers or low primaries results - her electorate will start making another conspiracy theories like they did in 2016 with Bernie - "Bernie would have won", "Rigged primaries" and so on. You, progressives have such high presumption of yourself, that you think that whole Democratic Party have the high honor and privilege to have peoples like Bernie running in primaries within Democrats. I saw one Atlas's progressive writing such stuff not a long time ago here. That is completely absurd!

These are pointless assumptions with no evidence to back it up. If Warren doesnt see a path to win, she will drop out, end of story. Even if 6 Warren fans on the internet start claiming fraud, it still doesnt matter.

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I think that the example with Obama isn't a good example. Obama was just some kind of mainstream outsider with no powerful backing like HRC or Edwards who simply won primaries and elections by posing as someone outside DC or Democratic establishment, and Warren or Bernie or Tulsi isn't going to be a "second Obama", but Kamala is going to be, because she's also black, have immigrant parents (both father and mother), and is a woman (electorate would be closer to accept woman, especially woman of color than men) and she may run a campaign similar to Obama in 2008.

You are applying 2016 dynamics to a time when this wasnt an issue.(Jeb_Arlo nailed what was a big issue at the time) And if you want evidence of the situation that I described, just look at the primary polling.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html

Its pretty clear that Edwards and Obama split the vote, and when looking at 2008, it makes sense. Both Obama and Edwards were running much more populist campaigns, with Edwards focusing on Economic issues and Obama on Race issues. The two shared many campaign promises and were good friends to each other, with both of them notably going after Clinton in the debates, while leaving the other alone. When Edwards dropped out, his voters went to Obama, and, in the end, gave him the nomination.

I should also mention the fact that just because Kamala is Black doesnt mean she will be the next Obama, nor does that mean she will win the AA vote. In a way, thats pretty racist to assume. Castro is probably not going to win the Hispanic vote either.

Anyway, the Progressives arent in trouble because of a 5% voter split from Sanders, who may not run anyway. I mean, Progressives have a pretty large field to choose from. In a way, a better question is to ask "How can a moderate Democrat win?".

Everyone agrees that Democrats moved leftward in these primaries, and there is not enough room for a moderate or centrist Dem to sucessfully run in 2020, but this can change in 2024 or 2028 as well, if you know that American politics is kinda cyclical.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Big Boy Beto on February 11, 2019, 07:04:17 AM
Beto's rally is today. I think this is a trial run for a presidential campaign, I doubt he'd announce it before the Oprah interview airs.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on February 11, 2019, 07:11:11 AM
He's a little late.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: bilaps on February 11, 2019, 07:25:58 AM
It would be late if election is next month and maybe even in that case it wouldn't be.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 11, 2019, 09:23:35 AM
Moulton confirms that he's still thinking about a presidential run, says he'll be considering it over the "next couple of months":

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/lissandravilla/seth-moulton-considering-2020-presidential-campaign

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“I’m thinking about running for president,” Moulton told BuzzFeed News. "I’m not definitely running, but I’m going to take a very hard look at it. A very serious look at it. Because I believe it’s time for a new generation of leadership, and we gotta send Donald Trump packing.”
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Asked if he was worried he might wait too long to catch up to candidates already in the race, Moulton said, “That’s one of the questions that I’ll be asking as I look at this over the next couple of months.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on February 11, 2019, 10:25:31 AM


Good, it’s definitely one of the dumbest attacks out there.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: 136or142 on February 11, 2019, 12:25:37 PM
1.Hasn't Jay Inslee already announced that he's running for President?

2.These people expressed an interest at some points, but haven't said anything since:  Bill De Blasio, Bob Casey and John Kerry.  Are they still interested?

3.Others seemed very interested at one point, but seemed to have gone off the radar:  John Hickenlooper, Jeff Merkley and Eric Holder.  Are they still interested?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Torrain on February 11, 2019, 12:33:00 PM


Good, it’s definitely one of the dumbest attacks out there.

Yeah, just from a tactical perspective it makes sense to address it, and take control of the narrative. If Gillibrand can convince caucus/primary voters that it reflects her commitment to women's issues, and her work on stamping out sexual misconduct, then it dovetails perfectly with her overall message.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Roll Roons on February 11, 2019, 12:45:54 PM
1.Hasn't Jay Inslee already announced that he's running for President?

2.These people expressed an interest at some points, but haven't said anything since:  Bill De Blasio, Bob Casey and John Kerry.  Are they still interested?

3.Others seemed very interested at one point, but seemed to have gone off the radar:  John Hickenlooper, Jeff Merkley and Eric Holder.  Are they still interested?

1. Not officially yet, but he's visiting IA and NH a ton. This report says he's going to jump in sometime in the next few weeks: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/06/washington-gov-jay-inslee-nears-decision-on-2020-presidential-run.html

2. Casey ruled himself out. I don't think the other two are likely to run. Kerry had his chance in 2004, and Bloomberg is acting more like a candidate than De Blasio at this point.

3. Hick is definitely still interested. He's been traveling a bunch to the early states, and will reportedly decide soon. Not sure about Merkley, but his lane is already occupied by Warren and potentially Bernie. Holder is a joke and would get absolutely nowhere.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: 136or142 on February 11, 2019, 01:12:15 PM
1.Hasn't Jay Inslee already announced that he's running for President?

2.These people expressed an interest at some points, but haven't said anything since:  Bill De Blasio, Bob Casey and John Kerry.  Are they still interested?

3.Others seemed very interested at one point, but seemed to have gone off the radar:  John Hickenlooper, Jeff Merkley and Eric Holder.  Are they still interested?

1. Not officially yet, but he's visiting IA and NH a ton. This report says he's going to jump in sometime in the next few weeks: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/06/washington-gov-jay-inslee-nears-decision-on-2020-presidential-run.html

2. Casey ruled himself out. I don't think the other two are likely to run. Kerry had his chance in 2004, and Bloomberg is acting more like a candidate than De Blasio at this point.

3. Hick is definitely still interested. He's been traveling a bunch to the early states, and will reportedly decide soon. Not sure about Merkley, but his lane is already occupied by Warren and potentially Bernie. Holder is a joke and would get absolutely nowhere.

Thanks for the information!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 11, 2019, 01:25:00 PM
1.Hasn't Jay Inslee already announced that he's running for President?

No.

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2.These people expressed an interest at some points, but haven't said anything since:  Bill De Blasio, Bob Casey and John Kerry.  Are they still interested?

Casey already said he’s not running.  Kerry gave a “I’m not planning on it, but I never take anything off the table” type answer a few weeks ago.  de Blasio stopped talking about a run at some point in 2018, but he just started talking about it again a few weeks ago.  He says he’s thinking about it, but has no decision timeline at the moment.

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3.Others seemed very interested at one point, but seemed to have gone off the radar:  John Hickenlooper, Jeff Merkley and Eric Holder.  Are they still interested?

Hickenlooper is super active, and has already done multiple early primary state visits this month.  He says he’ll decide by the end of this month.

Merkley has been less active recently, and hasn’t given any substantive updates on his plans since about four weeks ago, when he was sounding pessimistic about being able to raise enough $ to launch a national campaign, so I doubt he’ll run.  But he hasn’t closed the door yet, and says he’ll decide in March.

Holder dropped off the radar completely after the midterms, but he’s giving a speech in Iowa tomorrow, so maybe he’ll give us more info then.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on February 11, 2019, 04:58:02 PM
It would be late if election is next month and maybe even in that case it wouldn't be.

O'Rourke slept his hype and momentum away after his Texas senate loss. Look at the polls.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: An American Tail: Fubart Goes West on February 11, 2019, 06:59:59 PM
It would be late if election is next month and maybe even in that case it wouldn't be.

O'Rourke slept his hype and momentum away after his Texas senate loss. Look at the polls.

Note the momentum boosts that Harris got after her announcement. Current poll numbers didn’t dissuade Klobuchar.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: 136or142 on February 11, 2019, 10:06:51 PM
1.Hasn't Jay Inslee already announced that he's running for President?

No.

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2.These people expressed an interest at some points, but haven't said anything since:  Bill De Blasio, Bob Casey and John Kerry.  Are they still interested?

Casey already said he’s not running.  Kerry gave a “I’m not planning on it, but I never take anything off the table” type answer a few weeks ago.  de Blasio stopped talking about a run at some point in 2018, but he just started talking about it again a few weeks ago.  He says he’s thinking about it, but has no decision timeline at the moment.

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3.Others seemed very interested at one point, but seemed to have gone off the radar:  John Hickenlooper, Jeff Merkley and Eric Holder.  Are they still interested?

Hickenlooper is super active, and has already done multiple early primary state visits this month.  He says he’ll decide by the end of this month.

Merkley has been less active recently, and hasn’t given any substantive updates on his plans since about four weeks ago, when he was sounding pessimistic about being able to raise enough $ to launch a national campaign, so I doubt he’ll run.  But he hasn’t closed the door yet, and says he’ll decide in March.

Holder dropped off the radar completely after the midterms, but he’s giving a speech in Iowa tomorrow, so maybe he’ll give us more info then.


Thanks for the information!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: History505 on February 11, 2019, 11:54:33 PM
https://nypost.com/2019/02/11/de-blasio-heading-to-new-hampshire-amid-rumblings-of-2020-run/  (https://nypost.com/2019/02/11/de-blasio-heading-to-new-hampshire-amid-rumblings-of-2020-run/)
De Blasio is going to New Hampshire on Friday.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 12, 2019, 09:55:46 AM
Holder planning to make a decision on 2020 within the next two weeks:

https://www.npr.org/2019/02/12/677956774/former-attorney-general-eric-holder-close-to-2020-decision-as-he-heads-to-iowa

NH Democrats say that Swalwell has been in the hunt for a state director in that state:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/12/eric-swalwell-iowa-2020-presidential-bid-1164559

He now gives a “before April” decision timeline:

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Swalwell hasn’t made any formal announcement yet about his plans. But he is moving in that direction, telling POLITICO, “I’m ready to do this.’’

“I have to make a decision before April,” he said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Crackhead Mike Lindell on February 12, 2019, 10:14:59 AM
We need Holder to run because he has a mustache and none of the candidates so far have facial hair and representation is important.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: LabourJersey on February 12, 2019, 12:41:42 PM
https://nypost.com/2019/02/11/de-blasio-heading-to-new-hampshire-amid-rumblings-of-2020-run/  (https://nypost.com/2019/02/11/de-blasio-heading-to-new-hampshire-amid-rumblings-of-2020-run/)
De Blasio is going to New Hampshire on Friday.

I'd be amazed if he actually runs. He has no lane, all the NYC money will be for Booker, Gillibrand or Harris, and his record is mediocre.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Ye We Can on February 12, 2019, 02:34:32 PM
We need Holder to run because he has a mustache and none of the candidates so far have facial hair and representation is important.

Unironic agreement, I feel left out


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 13, 2019, 12:37:39 AM
Holder planning to make a decision on 2020 within the next two weeks:

https://www.npr.org/2019/02/12/677956774/former-attorney-general-eric-holder-close-to-2020-decision-as-he-heads-to-iowa


OK, let me amend that statement.  From the phrasing of the article, I guess that "within the next two weeks" came from sources in Holder's orbit?  This story though is reporting on Holder's appearance in Iowa today, and has him giving a direct quote saying that his timeline is "the next month or so":

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2019-02-12/former-ag-eric-holder-to-decide-on-2020-bid-in-a-few-weeks

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Asked by reporters whether there is a place for him in a Democratic field that already includes nine declared candidates and many others exploring the race, he said, "I'm going to decide whether I'm going to try to find that space in the next month or so."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 13, 2019, 01:16:29 AM
Bullock headed to Iowa later this week:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/12/steve-bullock-2020-elections-1167279

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Iowa Attorney General Tom Miller, a Democrat who just won his 10th term in November, will escort Bullock to a series of small meetings with local Democrats in Des Moines on Friday and then Carroll and Fort Dodge on Saturday. National Journal first reported that Bullock would be in the state this week.
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Even if he publicly remains coy about his ambitions, Bullock and his team have been quietly laying the groundwork for a presidential campaign. Big Sky Values PAC, for instance, has already tapped veteran operative Megan Simpson to begin organizing in Iowa, as Iowa Starting Line first reported earlier this month.
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In an interview earlier this month, he again vetoed a Senate campaign. “No interest in it,” he said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: MT Treasurer on February 13, 2019, 10:22:06 AM
Bullock headed to Iowa later this week:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/12/steve-bullock-2020-elections-1167279

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Iowa Attorney General Tom Miller, a Democrat who just won his 10th term in November, will escort Bullock to a series of small meetings with local Democrats in Des Moines on Friday and then Carroll and Fort Dodge on Saturday. National Journal first reported that Bullock would be in the state this week.
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Even if he publicly remains coy about his ambitions, Bullock and his team have been quietly laying the groundwork for a presidential campaign. Big Sky Values PAC, for instance, has already tapped veteran operative Megan Simpson to begin organizing in Iowa, as Iowa Starting Line first reported earlier this month.
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In an interview earlier this month, he again vetoed a Senate campaign. “No interest in it,” he said.


More like "not yet", if you ask me (and other MT Republicans). We’ll see what happens after he drops out after IA or SC.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lambsbread on February 13, 2019, 10:26:16 AM
As much as I love Steve Bullock and I'd love for him to run, I think he'd be best suited hoping for a cabinet position in the next administration. Maybe he could do Energy or Interior.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on February 13, 2019, 10:42:13 AM
As much as I love Steve Bullock and I'd love for him to run, I think he'd be best suited hoping for a cabinet position in the next administration. Maybe he could do Energy or Interior.

Yeah, the next Democratic cabinet must be composed of the whole spectrum of Democrats - there must be a place also for red state Dems (like Bullock or Heitkamp), progressives, Clinton's centrists and coastal elitists.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 13, 2019, 11:01:59 AM
Holder planning to make a decision on 2020 within the next two weeks:

https://www.npr.org/2019/02/12/677956774/former-attorney-general-eric-holder-close-to-2020-decision-as-he-heads-to-iowa


OK, let me amend that statement.  From the phrasing of the article, I guess that "within the next two weeks" came from sources in Holder's orbit?  This story though is reporting on Holder's appearance in Iowa today, and has him giving a direct quote saying that his timeline is "the next month or so":

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2019-02-12/former-ag-eric-holder-to-decide-on-2020-bid-in-a-few-weeks

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Asked by reporters whether there is a place for him in a Democratic field that already includes nine declared candidates and many others exploring the race, he said, "I'm going to decide whether I'm going to try to find that space in the next month or so."


And yet another amendment to this: When pressed further on his timeline, Holder said it'll probably be closer to three weeks than four, so I guess he's targeting the first week of March:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/eric-holder-says-he-ll-decide-2020-run-march-n970881


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 13, 2019, 11:15:17 AM
Bloomberg planning on spending at least $500 million on the 2020 presidential election (either on his own campaign if he runs, or to back the eventual Dem. nominee if he doesn't run):

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/13/michael-bloomberg-trump-2020-1167159

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To that end, Bloomberg has assembled a political team that, since late November, has been meeting at least once weekly in the Manhattan headquarters of Bloomberg Philanthropies to consider what some aides have called “Plan A” and “Plan B.”

Plan A is straightforward: Bloomberg runs for president as a Democrat, not as an independent candidate as he had mused privately in the past. According to Plan B, Bloomberg uses all the data — ranging from meticulously researched profiles of voters to polling data on the top issues that move the electorate — and field staff to help the otherwise-outgunned Democratic Party nominee to end Trump’s presidency.
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In those conversations, Democratic operatives say, Bloomberg’s team members have indicated that they’re polling and conducting focus groups, and are familiar with primary election calendar and the complicated politics of wringing delegates from various states. They’re also under no illusions about the difficulties of a Democratic Party newcomer running as a centrist in a progressive primary.

But Bloomberg’s aides are operating under the assumption that while the billionaire can’t buy the nomination, hundreds of millions of dollars can put him in contention.

“Five hundred million is just an obscene amount of money. It’s crazy, enough to buy up all the TV ad inventory in the seven or eight states that really matter in a primary,” said a Democratic consultant familiar with the plans who privately shared information from a conversation with a top Bloomberg advisor.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: No War, but the War on Christmas on February 13, 2019, 01:33:14 PM
The democratic primary has got to be the worst place to self fund, lol. He progressive activist base will turn on him so quickly.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 13, 2019, 01:49:47 PM
Biden:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/13/joe-biden-talks-to-democratic-donors-about-2020-presidential-run.html

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Former Vice President Joe Biden has been reaching out to top Democratic Party donors to discuss possibly running for president in 2020, CNBC has learned.

Biden, 76, has recently signaled to these donors he is leaning toward entering the race, but he had not made a final decision, according to people who spoke on the condition of anonymity.
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Biden's inner circle has reached out to former staffers from President Barack Obama's administration, and his advisors have been holding conversations about putting together a campaign, according to one person with direct knowledge of the talks.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lambsbread on February 13, 2019, 02:06:51 PM
I'm still holding out hope that Biden doesn't run. What would it take for him to pass on running?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: President Johnson on February 13, 2019, 03:25:22 PM
Bullock headed to Iowa later this week:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/12/steve-bullock-2020-elections-1167279

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Iowa Attorney General Tom Miller, a Democrat who just won his 10th term in November, will escort Bullock to a series of small meetings with local Democrats in Des Moines on Friday and then Carroll and Fort Dodge on Saturday. National Journal first reported that Bullock would be in the state this week.
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Even if he publicly remains coy about his ambitions, Bullock and his team have been quietly laying the groundwork for a presidential campaign. Big Sky Values PAC, for instance, has already tapped veteran operative Megan Simpson to begin organizing in Iowa, as Iowa Starting Line first reported earlier this month.
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In an interview earlier this month, he again vetoed a Senate campaign. “No interest in it,” he said.



Yes! I hope he jumps in and exceeds expectations. Bullock has some unquie assets that would make him a very formidable candidate for the general election.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on February 13, 2019, 04:05:15 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Woody on February 13, 2019, 05:01:00 PM

This is going to be interesting.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on February 13, 2019, 05:06:35 PM

This is going to be interesting.


Don't hold your breath. He'll close his shop early. If someone from GOP wants to primary Trump it's got to be someone bigger than Weld.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: scutosaurus on February 13, 2019, 05:59:42 PM
More Messam:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryancbrooks/wayne-messam-president-mayor-florida (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryancbrooks/wayne-messam-president-mayor-florida)

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“If a mayor from South Bend can do it then why not a mayor from Miramar?” an aide to Messam recently told BuzzFeed News.

“There is no Hillary Clinton in this race. There’s not exactly a frontrunner,” said [Andrew Gillum campaign aide Phillip] Thompson. “The future of the Democratic Party is young and diverse and I think there’s an opportunity for someone who can catch fire. Here’s the son of an immigrant sugarcane cutter who literally pulled himself up by his bootstraps to become mayor and own a successful business.”

“When’s the last time you’ve seen someone so young and dynamic?”

He could be a very formidable candidate.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 13, 2019, 07:02:03 PM
O'Rourke met with Schumer last week to discuss a possible run for Senate in 2020:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/13/schumer-beto-castro-2020-senate-bid-1168554


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on February 13, 2019, 08:03:40 PM

This is going to be interesting.


Don't hold your breath. He'll close his shop early. If someone from GOP wants to primary Trump it's got to be someone bigger than Weld.

Agreed.

More Messam:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryancbrooks/wayne-messam-president-mayor-florida (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryancbrooks/wayne-messam-president-mayor-florida)

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“If a mayor from South Bend can do it then why not a mayor from Miramar?” an aide to Messam recently told BuzzFeed News.

“There is no Hillary Clinton in this race. There’s not exactly a frontrunner,” said [Andrew Gillum campaign aide Phillip] Thompson. “The future of the Democratic Party is young and diverse and I think there’s an opportunity for someone who can catch fire. Here’s the son of an immigrant sugarcane cutter who literally pulled himself up by his bootstraps to become mayor and own a successful business.”

“When’s the last time you’ve seen someone so young and dynamic?”

He could be a very formidable candidate.

He should run for Senate or Governor instead and become the new Andrew Gillum when he inevitably loses by <1%.

O'Rourke met with Schumer last week to discuss a possible run for Senate in 2020:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/13/schumer-beto-castro-2020-senate-bid-1168554


Bad move. Cornyn will be much tougher to defeat to Cruz. Beto should not waste his profile on this and become known as the guy from Texas who lost twice while trying to run for Senate.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on February 13, 2019, 08:07:22 PM
O'Rourke met with Schumer last week to discuss a possible run for Senate in 2020:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/13/schumer-beto-castro-2020-senate-bid-1168554


Good move. Cornyn is much more unpopular and aloof than Cruz, and with 2020 minority turnout, and a campaign ready to get back into gear, he stands a great chance than winning, especially now that his star for the presidency has been crowded out by other candidates.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on February 13, 2019, 08:12:07 PM

This is going to be interesting.


Don't hold your breath. He'll close his shop early. If someone from GOP wants to primary Trump it's got to be someone bigger than Weld.

Is anyone other then Weld gonna even want to get in? Even if the Mueller report drops and Trump gets impeached and acquitted, causing Kasich/Flake/Hogan to get in, Weld is still gonna have a big fundraising head start and get a lot of media exposure from the time that he was the principal Never-Trump guy.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: TarHeelDem on February 13, 2019, 08:42:56 PM

This is going to be interesting.


Don't hold your breath. He'll close his shop early. If someone from GOP wants to primary Trump it's got to be someone bigger than Weld.

Is anyone other then Weld gonna even want to get in? Even if the Mueller report drops and Trump gets impeached and acquitted, causing Kasich/Flake/Hogan to get in, Weld is still gonna have a big fundraising head start and get a lot of media exposure from the time that he was the principal Never-Trump guy.

Feels like a big assumption at this point that Trump will definitely be acquitted...


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on February 13, 2019, 09:51:55 PM
Bad move. Cornyn will be much tougher to defeat to Cruz. Beto should not waste his profile on this and become known as the guy from Texas who lost twice while trying to run for Senate.

Nah.  If he wants to hold higher office, he should run now, even if he is likely to lose.  At the very least he would make the state competitive, which means Republicans would have to invest tens of millions more keeping Texas than they otherwise would, draining resources from other competitive states.  That's the kind of thing that can build a lot of good will with the party establishment, and it wouldn't be unreasonable for Beto to expect a prominent job with the next Democratic administration if he gave it his all.

Having said all that, I think Beto is hugely overrated as a politician and some other candidate, Kim Olson maybe, would probably do just as well.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Beet on February 13, 2019, 10:02:16 PM
Bad move. Cornyn will be much tougher to defeat to Cruz. Beto should not waste his profile on this and become known as the guy from Texas who lost twice while trying to run for Senate.

Nah.  If he wants to hold higher office, he should run now, even if he is likely to lose.  At the very least he would make the state competitive, which means Republicans would have to invest tens of millions more keeping Texas than they otherwise would, draining resources from other competitive states.  That's the kind of thing that can build a lot of good will with the party establishment, and it wouldn't be unreasonable for Beto to expect a prominent job with the next Democratic administration if he gave it his all.

Having said all that, I think Beto is hugely overrated as a politician and some other candidate, Kim Olson maybe, would probably do just as well.

I don't know why everyone gets the idea that Cornyn is titanically more popular than Cruz. Polls don't reflect it, and Cruz, not Cornyn, is the guy who overwhelmingly beat Trump in a Texas presidential primary.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on February 13, 2019, 10:30:22 PM
I don't know why everyone gets the idea that Cornyn is titanically more popular than Cruz. Polls don't reflect it, and Cruz, not Cornyn, is the guy who overwhelmingly beat Trump in a Texas presidential primary.

I don't think that.  I think Cornyn is certainly favored to win re-election, but he's hardly a lock.  My best current estimate is that Texas will be around R+2 at the state level in 2020.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 14, 2019, 12:38:15 AM
de Blasio cancelled his planned NH trip for now, but says he plans to reschedule:

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2019/02/14/bill-de-blasio-puts-trip-to-new-hampshire-on-hold-after-nypd-detective-killed

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Mayor Bill de Blasio is putting his presidential travel plans temporarily on hold.

"I just felt that for something not governmental, it wasn't appropriate at this time. It's just as simple as that," he said at a news conference in Brooklyn on Wednesday.

With the city mourning a police detective killed in Queens on Tuesday night, the mayor has decided to stay mostly close to home. He is forgoing a planned trip to the key presidential primary state of New Hampshire on Friday, but he will still leave the city Thursday to speak at Harvard University. An aide noted that de Blasio would appear there in his official capacity as mayor. Aides to the mayor say the trip is being rescheduled.

Tim Ryan says no timeline for his decision:

link (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/02/13/rep_tim_ryan_i_am_seriously_considering_a_2020_presidential_run.html)

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”I don't feel any pressure for any timeline at this point, but I am seriously considering it.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NOVA Green on February 14, 2019, 02:58:08 AM
Bad move. Cornyn will be much tougher to defeat to Cruz. Beto should not waste his profile on this and become known as the guy from Texas who lost twice while trying to run for Senate.

Nah.  If he wants to hold higher office, he should run now, even if he is likely to lose.  At the very least he would make the state competitive, which means Republicans would have to invest tens of millions more keeping Texas than they otherwise would, draining resources from other competitive states.  That's the kind of thing that can build a lot of good will with the party establishment, and it wouldn't be unreasonable for Beto to expect a prominent job with the next Democratic administration if he gave it his all.

Having said all that, I think Beto is hugely overrated as a politician and some other candidate, Kim Olson maybe, would probably do just as well.

I don't know why everyone gets the idea that Cornyn is titanically more popular than Cruz. Polls don't reflect it, and Cruz, not Cornyn, is the guy who overwhelmingly beat Trump in a Texas presidential primary.

Beet has a good point here, and additionally one must consider that name recognition is likely much higher for BETO in Texas overall than Cornyn, especially among infrequent Democratic leaning voters...

Infrequent Dem leaning voters tend to be much more heavily Working-Class Latino and Anglo Millennials in Tejas, which have a much greater propensity to vote in PRES year elections and not "off year" elections...

Considering BETOs impressive performance in the Anglo Metro parts of Texas, I would not be surprised to see an even closer hypothetical 2020 TX-SEN race than in 2018.

That being said, it's starting to look like BETO is considering a 2020 TX-SEN run rather than a 2020 US-PRES run....

He's already got serious street cred from the TX-18 SEN run, but DEM-PRES '20 looks like a big stretch considering the crowded field against an incumbent REP PRES, where within the ntl DEM Party, Texas doesn't have much recent representation for running winning races....

Apologies if I derailed the thread, but if this report is correct, it looks like BETO is thinking for running for US-SEN-TX in '20 vs US-DEM-PRES '20....

Maybe just exploring options, idk????


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 14, 2019, 10:18:23 AM



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RI on February 14, 2019, 11:23:25 AM
I don't know why everyone gets the idea that Cornyn is titanically more popular than Cruz. Polls don't reflect it, and Cruz, not Cornyn, is the guy who overwhelmingly beat Trump in a Texas presidential primary.

I don't think that.  I think Cornyn is certainly favored to win re-election, but he's hardly a lock.  My best current estimate is that Texas will be around R+2 at the state level in 2020.

Huh? TX was R+11 in 2016 and basically R+9.5 in 2018 (if you're using the House + Beto/Cruz race).


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Karpatsky on February 14, 2019, 12:00:36 PM
I think this is my favorite article title of the season so far: Sherrod Brown Is Not an Idiot (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/02/13/sherrod-brown-is-not-an-idiot-225053)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: 136or142 on February 14, 2019, 12:05:16 PM
I think this is my favorite article title of the season so far: Sherrod Brown Is Not an Idiot (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/02/13/sherrod-brown-is-not-an-idiot-225053)


Yes, but the author of that article, Rich Lowry, is an idiot.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Roll Roons on February 14, 2019, 12:35:15 PM
Biden likely to enter soon:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/430028-exclusive-biden-almost-certain-to-enter-2020-race?fbclid=IwAR0E_JscikCLX3JomvvX9s4z7gmn9vFod_EtMbNSoeeJhJlLgYdwdQ_JwnI


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Crackhead Mike Lindell on February 14, 2019, 12:52:30 PM
Biden likely to enter soon:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/430028-exclusive-biden-almost-certain-to-enter-2020-race?fbclid=IwAR0E_JscikCLX3JomvvX9s4z7gmn9vFod_EtMbNSoeeJhJlLgYdwdQ_JwnI

Contradicting article drops in 3... 2... 1...


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: UWS on February 14, 2019, 05:02:44 PM
Biden likely to enter soon:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/430028-exclusive-biden-almost-certain-to-enter-2020-race?fbclid=IwAR0E_JscikCLX3JomvvX9s4z7gmn9vFod_EtMbNSoeeJhJlLgYdwdQ_JwnI

Indeed. Vanity Fair reports that Biden is 95 % ready to run in 2020.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/02/biden-95-percent-ready-2020-run


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: redjohn on February 14, 2019, 05:16:28 PM
Beto is coming to the University of Wisconsin-Madison tomorrow to talk to students and faculty. Event tickets "sold out" in about ten minutes after minimal advertising; crazy enthusiasm, especially so far out.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 14, 2019, 05:29:50 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on February 14, 2019, 09:18:21 PM
I think this is my favorite article title of the season so far: Sherrod Brown Is Not an Idiot (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/02/13/sherrod-brown-is-not-an-idiot-225053)


Yes, but the author of that article, Rich Lowry, is an idiot.

Yeah it is a hilariously bad take. If all you resonable moderate intelligent perfect centrists are all looking for somebody to love, Brown is not your guy just because he isn't cosponsoring X piece of legislation you don't like.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 14, 2019, 11:46:13 PM
Bennet going to Iowa for a Feb. 22-23 visit:

https://www.krdo.com/news/colorado-democratic-sen-bennet-set-to-visit-iowa-amid-a-possible-2020-presidential-bid/1019659489


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: scutosaurus on February 15, 2019, 12:00:22 AM
Bennet going to Iowa for a Feb. 22-23 visit:

https://www.krdo.com/news/colorado-democratic-sen-bennet-set-to-visit-iowa-amid-a-possible-2020-presidential-bid/1019659489


God-Emperor Bennet will be our next President. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 15, 2019, 06:28:00 AM
It's like 3 in the morning here in Cali, and I woke up and am having a bit of trouble getting back to sleep, but I guess Weld's comments in NH will be happening shortly, at 5am my time, since it'll be 8am on the East Coast: https://www.anselm.edu/new-hampshire-institute-politics/politics-eggs-bill-weld

I still feel like he might just explain the circumstances under which he'd get in the race, as opposed to announcing that he's already getting in or that he's forming an exploratory committee.  But if he does get in now, I do think that'll be a pretty big news story, that an incumbent president is getting a primary challenge for the first time in decades.  Anyway, I hope to be asleep when he's talking, but if you're up and interested, I guess you'll figure out what he's saying via Twitter, and post it for me here, so I can read it once I wake up a couple of hours later.  :P


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on February 15, 2019, 07:55:11 AM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: tosk on February 15, 2019, 01:57:01 PM
It's like 3 in the morning here in Cali, and I woke up and am having a bit of trouble getting back to sleep, but I guess Weld's comments in NH will be happening shortly, at 5am my time, since it'll be 8am on the East Coast: https://www.anselm.edu/new-hampshire-institute-politics/politics-eggs-bill-weld

I still feel like he might just explain the circumstances under which he'd get in the race, as opposed to announcing that he's already getting in or that he's forming an exploratory committee.  But if he does get in now, I do think that'll be a pretty big news story, that an incumbent president is getting a primary challenge for the first time in decades.  Anyway, I hope to be asleep when he's talking, but if you're up and interested, I guess you'll figure out what he's saying via Twitter, and post it for me here, so I can read it once I wake up a couple of hours later.  :P


on the money


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Tender Branson on February 15, 2019, 03:17:46 PM
More signs point to Bullock presidential bid

by Maritsa Georgiou - Friday, February 15th 2019

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MISSOULA, Mont. -- We already have 11 Democratic candidates for president in 2020, with just as many people who are probably going to run for the job. Someone consistently on the list of maybes is Montana Gov. Steve Bullock.

We've been reporting on the speculation ever since he launched his Big Sky Values PAC in 2017. Since then, he's done everything a probable presidential candidate would do, like speaking at the Iowa State Fair and making trips to other states like New Hampshire.

The Iowa Caucus and New Hampshire Primary are the first and second contests in the presidential primary season. They get a lot of press and have sometimes created buzz and momentum for the winners.

A new Politico report says Bullock is heading back to Iowa this week.

We have new information about the money behind him. His Big Sky Values PAC raised nearly $1.4 million by the end of 2018. It's spent more than $1.2 million. Some $31,900 of that has gone to other committees and organizations like the Iowa Democratic Party and the New Hampshire Democratic Party. It's also given to campaigns for other Democrats in states like Iowa.

In 2018, the PAC paid out more than six digits to fundraising consultants.

There's a lot of speculation that, if he is going to run, Bullock won't announce it until after the 66th Montana Legislature. We asked him that question in a hypothetical form Thursday.

“What I’m doing is making sure that everything I can do to make sure we get Medicaid expansion passed again, get publicly funded preschool, keep a reasonable budget, and that’s where my focus is going to continue to be,” Bullock told us after some laughter.


Politico says a lot of Democrats think he has a chance, because they want someone who can take on President Donald Trump.

One survey ranks Bullock as one of the most popular Democratic governors in the country in a state where Trump won by 20 points.

Again, all of this is speculation, but we’ve been digging for updates weekly. We’ll let you know if his answer changes.

https://nbcmontana.com/news/local/more-signs-point-to-bullock-presidential-bid

BTW: the 66th Montana Legislature ends on May 1.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on February 15, 2019, 03:44:27 PM
More signs point to Bullock presidential bid

by Maritsa Georgiou - Friday, February 15th 2019

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MISSOULA, Mont. -- We already have 11 Democratic candidates for president in 2020, with just as many people who are probably going to run for the job. Someone consistently on the list of maybes is Montana Gov. Steve Bullock.

We've been reporting on the speculation ever since he launched his Big Sky Values PAC in 2017. Since then, he's done everything a probable presidential candidate would do, like speaking at the Iowa State Fair and making trips to other states like New Hampshire.

The Iowa Caucus and New Hampshire Primary are the first and second contests in the presidential primary season. They get a lot of press and have sometimes created buzz and momentum for the winners.

A new Politico report says Bullock is heading back to Iowa this week.

We have new information about the money behind him. His Big Sky Values PAC raised nearly $1.4 million by the end of 2018. It's spent more than $1.2 million. Some $31,900 of that has gone to other committees and organizations like the Iowa Democratic Party and the New Hampshire Democratic Party. It's also given to campaigns for other Democrats in states like Iowa.

In 2018, the PAC paid out more than six digits to fundraising consultants.

There's a lot of speculation that, if he is going to run, Bullock won't announce it until after the 66th Montana Legislature. We asked him that question in a hypothetical form Thursday.

“What I’m doing is making sure that everything I can do to make sure we get Medicaid expansion passed again, get publicly funded preschool, keep a reasonable budget, and that’s where my focus is going to continue to be,” Bullock told us after some laughter.


Politico says a lot of Democrats think he has a chance, because they want someone who can take on President Donald Trump.

One survey ranks Bullock as one of the most popular Democratic governors in the country in a state where Trump won by 20 points.

Again, all of this is speculation, but we’ve been digging for updates weekly. We’ll let you know if his answer changes.

https://nbcmontana.com/news/local/more-signs-point-to-bullock-presidential-bid

BTW: the 66th Montana Legislature ends on May 1.
Why would he run for President? The Senate is sitting right there for him!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 15, 2019, 05:57:54 PM
O'Rourke looking for strategists for a potential presidential campaign:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/15/beto-orourke-2020-1172360

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Beto O’Rourke is in talks with Democratic strategists about a likely 2020 presidential run, according to two sources.

Two Democratic campaign strategists told POLITICO on Friday that they are in discussions with O’Rourke and his team. One of the strategists described those conversations as moving to “an operational level” after weeks of discussing 2020 in more theoretical terms.

A source close to O’Rourke said Friday that the former Texas congressman is still considering a run and has not yet made a final decision.
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After a massive rally in his hometown of El Paso this week, O’Rourke is now becoming personally involved in discussions about the shape of a 2020 campaign, the strategists said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on February 16, 2019, 01:29:29 AM
More signs point to Bullock presidential bid

by Maritsa Georgiou - Friday, February 15th 2019

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MISSOULA, Mont. -- We already have 11 Democratic candidates for president in 2020, with just as many people who are probably going to run for the job. Someone consistently on the list of maybes is Montana Gov. Steve Bullock.

We've been reporting on the speculation ever since he launched his Big Sky Values PAC in 2017. Since then, he's done everything a probable presidential candidate would do, like speaking at the Iowa State Fair and making trips to other states like New Hampshire.

The Iowa Caucus and New Hampshire Primary are the first and second contests in the presidential primary season. They get a lot of press and have sometimes created buzz and momentum for the winners.

A new Politico report says Bullock is heading back to Iowa this week.

We have new information about the money behind him. His Big Sky Values PAC raised nearly $1.4 million by the end of 2018. It's spent more than $1.2 million. Some $31,900 of that has gone to other committees and organizations like the Iowa Democratic Party and the New Hampshire Democratic Party. It's also given to campaigns for other Democrats in states like Iowa.

In 2018, the PAC paid out more than six digits to fundraising consultants.

There's a lot of speculation that, if he is going to run, Bullock won't announce it until after the 66th Montana Legislature. We asked him that question in a hypothetical form Thursday.

“What I’m doing is making sure that everything I can do to make sure we get Medicaid expansion passed again, get publicly funded preschool, keep a reasonable budget, and that’s where my focus is going to continue to be,” Bullock told us after some laughter.


Politico says a lot of Democrats think he has a chance, because they want someone who can take on President Donald Trump.

One survey ranks Bullock as one of the most popular Democratic governors in the country in a state where Trump won by 20 points.

Again, all of this is speculation, but we’ve been digging for updates weekly. We’ll let you know if his answer changes.

https://nbcmontana.com/news/local/more-signs-point-to-bullock-presidential-bid

BTW: the 66th Montana Legislature ends on May 1.
Why would he run for President? The Senate is sitting right there for him!

What is Bullock thinking? May? The first debate is in June. He has little to no name ID, announcing so late dooms whatever little chance he had.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 16, 2019, 01:35:04 AM
Sources close to Sanders say he’s leaning towards yes, and by the end of the month:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sources-say-sanders-could-announce-2020-plans-by-end-of-the-month

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Two sources close to the independent senator from Vermont tell Fox News it’s likely Sanders could announce his 2020 plans before the end of this month.

And they say the senator is leaning toward declaring his candidacy for president.

John Weaver now says that Kasich is “leaning toward a primary run”, while Hogan is busy with state business for the next ~two months, at which point he might start making some early primary state visits:

https://www.apnews.com/d19d5524b35d4abbaf4f1869a84c965c

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Immediately after the 73-year-old Weld’s announcement at a breakfast event in New Hampshire, a senior aide for former Ohio Gov. John Kasich indicated Kasich is likely to launch a primary challenge as well.

“All of our options remain on the table, and we’re leaning toward a primary run,” Kasich aide John Weaver told The Associated Press.

Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan, meanwhile, met privately last week with conservative leader Bill Kristol, who’s driving an effort to recruit a top-tier Trump primary challenger and operatives on the ground in key states.

Hogan aides acknowledge that the two-term Republican governor is openly considering a Trump challenge. Hogan is expected to spend the next two months focused on his state legislative session to be followed by a more active exploratory phase likely to include appearances in key primary states such as Iowa and New Hampshire.

Hickenlooper had previously been saying that he’d decide on whether to run “by March”, which from context made it sound like he meant before March started (in other words, by the end of February), but now he’s talking about by the end of March:

https://www.wmur.com/article/hickenlooper-meets-with-new-hampshire-voters-as-he-considers-white-house-bid/26333585

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He met voters at a house party in Manchester as he works toward a decision about running for president.

“I've been talking to people, my wife and I, discussing it,” he said. “I'm determined (to decide) in the next month, or let's say six weeks."

Schultz says he might abandon his possible Indy bid for president if the Dems nominate a centrist:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/430232-schultz-says-he-would-reconsider-2020-bid-if-dems-nominate-a-centrist

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Former Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz said that he would reconsider a potential independent bid for the White House in 2020 if Democrats tapped a centrist candidate as their presidential nominee.

“I would reassess the situation if the numbers change as a result of a centrist Democrat winning the nomination,” Schultz told The Washington Post on Thursday.

Merkley on his 2020 decision:

https://nwlaborpress.org/2019/02/heart-to-heart-with-u-s-senator-jeff-merkley/

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Q: What is your decision making process? What would make you want to run or not?

Merkley: I am not in the luxury of being outside my Senate cycle. So I have my Senate campaign cycle to weigh against a presidential run. Where can I be most effective in influencing these issues? It comes down to that. I’m the only senator thinking about the race who couldn’t be on the ballot for both. Cory [Booker] was in that category, but New Jersey fixed it.

Q: When is the filing deadline for Oregon?

Merkley: March 10 [2020].

Q: So in theory, if you ran and did poorly we could still keep our senator?

Merkley: Or not, because others may run. The Republicans may get an opportunity to have a strong candidate. And I cannot let an Oregon senate seat go to someone who is fighting for the privileged and powerful.

Q: You’ll let us know?

Merkley: Yes.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 16, 2019, 10:45:17 AM
Abrams:

https://www.nbcnews.com/card/stacey-abrams-i-m-going-run-something-n972291

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Speaking at the DNC winter meeting in Washington Friday, Georgia Democrat Stacey Abrams reflected on her gubernatorial campaign, discussed her new voting rights initiative and promised she’s not done running for office.

“I’m going to run for something,” Abrams said as she took the stage with shouts of “run” from the audience. She then teased the crowd by saying that she might run for president — of her homeowners’ association.

What is Bullock thinking? May? The first debate is in June. He has little to no name ID, announcing so late dooms whatever little chance he had.

Yeah, the newly released debate criteria make it especially clear that someone in Bullock's position needs to get in the race now, or risk not being invited to the debates.  Get at least 1% in 3 polls that meet the DNC's criteria?  Bullock isn't even being included as an option in most polls now.  If he got in tomorrow, he probably would start being included in polls, and he'd have a chance to make it in.  Waiting until May makes that much less likely.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on February 16, 2019, 10:54:55 AM
Wut



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Crackhead Mike Lindell on February 16, 2019, 12:04:43 PM
... Huh. Good for her.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 16, 2019, 01:38:20 PM
Biden:

https://globalnews.ca/news/4969094/joe-biden-2020-run-undecided/

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“I haven’t reached a decision,” Biden told reporters at the annual Munich Security Conference. “I’m in the process of doing that, and I will in the near term let everyone know what that decision is.”

“I think there is a sufficient amount of time to do that. And I think that we have a tendency particularly in the States to start the whole election process much too early,” he added.

“We should be focusing now on what needs to be done to alter some of the policies that are being promoted by the president.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Harlow on February 16, 2019, 02:30:50 PM
Any word on when Gillibrand is going to officially launch?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on February 16, 2019, 03:11:25 PM
Annie “raise the roof” Custer out there with Corey



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 16, 2019, 04:38:54 PM
The Hill: Sanders "is expected to launch a 2020 presidential exploratory committee next week":

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/430360-sanders-expected-to-announce-exploratory-committee-next-week

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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is expected to launch a 2020 presidential exploratory committee next week, according to two people familiar with the plans.

Sanders is gearing up to release a video in the coming days announcing his exploratory committee. News that Sanders had already recorded the announcement video was first reported on Saturday by Politico.

Sanders’s anticipated announcement is part of a so-called soft launch of a campaign, one person familiar with the plans told The Hill.

Forming an exploratory committee will allow Sanders to begin laying the groundwork of a campaign by raising money and hiring staff.

Josh Miller-Lewis, a spokesman for Sanders, did not immediately respond to The Hill’s request for comment about the senator’s plans.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 16, 2019, 06:19:00 PM
Another Biden story from a couple of days ago:

https://www.thehour.com/news/article/Biden-continues-to-mull-2020-decision-13615997.php

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Now into mid-February, with a burgeoning field of Democratic candidates, Biden is still on the fence, neither in nor out, in a lingering state of political limbo. Some potential staffers have already defected, and some of his supporters worry the prolonged indecision could begin to threaten his chances.
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Staff members who have committed to work for him if he runs have stopped guessing on a decision date. On a few occasions, some members of his inner circle were convinced he was ready to pull the trigger, only to find it did not happen. Year-end family discussions about a potential run did not end the process, which people around Biden describe as intensely personal for the former vice president.

"This isn't just treading water, but I don't know how close we are to the shore," said a person familiar with the planning process who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.

As Biden has deliberated, other campaign professionals who had previously reached out to express interest in joining his effort have decided they can no longer wait. The circle of senior advisers who have been drafting his campaign plan and conducting interviews with potential staff members have repeatedly had to add new names to their internal hiring lists, as their candidates have signed on to other campaigns, according to a person familiar with the planning.
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Some who have spoken recently with Biden say he is leaning toward a run but the decision is not firm enough to ask for commitments from donors or political activists. Biden also has told other candidates not to wait for him as they make their own decisions.

In the meantime, Biden’s people have been scouting for operatives in South Carolina…as has Swalwell:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/15/democrats-prepare-for-2020-hiring-blitz-in-crucial-early-primary-state-south-carolina.html

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Mary Geren, a Democrat who recently lost in her own election bid for South Carolina's 3rd congressional district, met with Swalwell to help lead his efforts within the state, if he decides to run, Swalwell campaign consultant Lisa Tucker said.

"We have a lot of respect for Mary Geren; she accepted a job elsewhere. We've made one hire so far in South Carolina and we'll continue to staff up there and elsewhere as the congressman tests the waters," Tucker said.

Swalwell said in a text message that he's "getting close" to deciding whether he will enter the race – and confirmed he has been interviewing potential staffers.

And finally, Tim Ryan will be in New Hampshire from Tuesday through Thursday:

https://www.wmur.com/article/they-love-nh-candidates-crowd-into-granite-state-a-year-before-first-in-nation-primary/26365039


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Joey1996 on February 16, 2019, 06:31:26 PM
The Hill: Sanders "is expected to launch a 2020 presidential exploratory committee next week":

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/430360-sanders-expected-to-announce-exploratory-committee-next-week

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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is expected to launch a 2020 presidential exploratory committee next week, according to two people familiar with the plans.

Sanders is gearing up to release a video in the coming days announcing his exploratory committee. News that Sanders had already recorded the announcement video was first reported on Saturday by Politico.

Sanders’s anticipated announcement is part of a so-called soft launch of a campaign, one person familiar with the plans told The Hill.

Forming an exploratory committee will allow Sanders to begin laying the groundwork of a campaign by raising money and hiring staff.

Josh Miller-Lewis, a spokesman for Sanders, did not immediately respond to The Hill’s request for comment about the senator’s plans.


About time


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 16, 2019, 11:26:35 PM
https://siouxcityjournal.com/news/local/in-sioux-city-visit-calif-democrat-swalwell-says-he-may/article_6c485376-cf8c-5ee4-a011-79b45342fa74.html

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In a visit to a Sioux City home Saturday night, U.S. Rep. Eric Swalwell, D-Calif., teased an audience of a few dozen about a potential 2020 presidential bid.

Swalwell, an Iowa native who represents California's 15th district in the House of Representatives, said he has eight staffers in Iowa and is putting together staffers in South Carolina in anticipation of tossing his hat into the ring. But the formal announcement is yet to come.

"Yes, I imagine, we'll have an announcement fairly soon," he said while standing in the living room of local Democrat Jim Sorvaag. Several dozen supporters crowded into Sorvaag's Sioux City house to see Swalwell's speech, which was put on as a Woodbury County Democratic Party Truman Club event.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 17, 2019, 11:32:41 AM
At the end of this interview:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/02/17/sotu-sherrod-full.cnn

Brown says he'll have a timetable for a 2020 decision in the next three weeks or so (actually, I didn't quite make out if he was saying that he'll have a timetable in the next three weeks, or that his timetable is the next three weeks), and that his chances of running are about 50/50.  When pressed on that some more, he says maybe it's actually 51/49.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: PaperKooper on February 17, 2019, 02:17:11 PM
At the end of this interview:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/02/17/sotu-sherrod-full.cnn

Brown says he'll have a timetable for a 2020 decision in the next three weeks or so (actually, I didn't quite make out if he was saying that he'll have a timetable in the next three weeks, or that his timetable is the next three weeks), and that his chances of running are about 50/50.  When pressed on that some more, he says maybe it's actually 51/49.


After listening to the interview, I'm leaning towards that his timetable is the next three or so weeks, but I agree it isn't very clear. 


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 17, 2019, 03:36:34 PM
McAuliffe:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/terry-mcauliffe-2020-former-virginia-governor-tells-face-the-nation-hes-close-to-making-a-decision-on-presidential-run/

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Former Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe said Sunday he's inching closer to making a decision on whether or not to run for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2020. McAuliffe had previously set a self-imposed deadline of March 31 for announcing his intentions. 

"I have made hundreds and hundreds of calls across the country, talked to potential staff and, listen, we're close to making a decision," McAuliffe on "Face the Nation" Sunday. 

Asked whether he was waiting for former Vice President Joe Biden to make his own decision on 2020, McAuliffe said he isn't, but said he "wants to see where the field is." McAuliffe is a longtime ally of the Clinton family and served as governor of Virginia from 2014 to 2018.

In other McAuliffe news, he’s currently writing a book that’ll be coming out in July:

http://www.nbc29.com/story/39975032/terry-mcauliffe-writing-book-on-august-12-rally-in-charlottesville

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Former Virginia governor and potential 2020 presidential candidate Terry McAuliffe is writing a book about the events in Charlottesville that occurred back in August 2017.

McAuliffe's book, which is titled "Beyond Charlottesville: Taking a Stand Against White Nationalism," is set to be released in July.

In the book, McAuliffe is expected to describe his point of view from his position as governor during the events of the Unite the Right rally.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 17, 2019, 07:39:30 PM
The NY Post says Team Sanders is in talks with Brooklyn College about giving a "major speech" on the campus:

https://nypost.com/2019/02/17/bernie-sanders-might-launch-presidential-bid-at-brooklyn-college/

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Vermont democratic socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders’ camp is in talks with Brooklyn College about giving a major outdoor speech at the campus, fueling speculation that the rally there would be part of a roll-out for a second presidential run.

The Flatbush native attended Brooklyn College for a year, not far from his childhood home, and his older brother, Larry, is a Brooklyn College graduate. He has kept close ties to the City University of New York school, having delivered the commencement speech there in 2017, when he received an honorary degree.

The rally would be delivered on the campus’ spacious quad, according to a source familiar with the planning. Brooklyn College President Michelle Anderson declined to comment.

The Sanders campaign had no immediate comment but one of his backers said, “You’re onto something.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 17, 2019, 11:14:20 PM
Tomorrow's President's Day, so I guess there's some chance that someone uses the symbolism to announce (at least an exploratory committee).  Probably won't happen, but it's a possibility.  Could be Sanders.  Otherwise, I'm actually wondering if Swalwell might pull the trigger as early as tomorrow.  Not sure he's ready yet, but he's been talking recently as if it's more imminent.  And he's in Iowa right now, where he was born.  Maybe he takes the opportunity to announce there.  If not Sanders or Swalwell, then I don't know who else might announce as early as tomorrow, if anyone.  Inslee?

If no one announces on President's Day, then I guess there's also Washington's Birthday later in the week.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: PaperKooper on February 18, 2019, 12:05:18 AM
Tomorrow's President's Day, so I guess there's some chance that someone uses the symbolism to announce (at least an exploratory committee).  Probably won't happen, but it's a possibility.  Could be Sanders.  Otherwise, I'm actually wondering if Swalwell might pull the trigger as early as tomorrow.  Not sure he's ready yet, but he's been talking recently as if it's more imminent.  And he's in Iowa right now, where he was born.  Maybe he takes the opportunity to announce there.  If not Sanders or Swalwell, then I don't know who else might announce as early as tomorrow, if anyone.  Inslee?

If no one announces on President's Day, then I guess there's also Washington's Birthday later in the week.


Bloomberg and O'Rourke are the other candidates who have said they will decide this month, although I tend to think Bloomberg is waiting for Biden to decide.  All three are at least somewhat plausible for surprise annoucements on President's Day. 


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 18, 2019, 12:49:11 AM
Tomorrow's President's Day, so I guess there's some chance that someone uses the symbolism to announce (at least an exploratory committee).  Probably won't happen, but it's a possibility.  Could be Sanders.  Otherwise, I'm actually wondering if Swalwell might pull the trigger as early as tomorrow.  Not sure he's ready yet, but he's been talking recently as if it's more imminent.  And he's in Iowa right now, where he was born.  Maybe he takes the opportunity to announce there.  If not Sanders or Swalwell, then I don't know who else might announce as early as tomorrow, if anyone.  Inslee?

If no one announces on President's Day, then I guess there's also Washington's Birthday later in the week.


Bloomberg and O'Rourke are the other candidates who have said they will decide this month, although I tend to think Bloomberg is waiting for Biden to decide.  All three are at least somewhat plausible for surprise annoucements on President's Day. 

The thing is, for the more prominent candidates we often tend to get some sort of signal before the announcement that they've decided to do it.  And that seems to have happened now with Sanders, now that he's supposedly recorded that video.  But the latest behind-the-scenes from Bloomberg and O'Rourke suggested that they legitimately haven't decided yet.

OTOH, candidates like Swalwell fly under the radar enough that they could announce with no warning at all.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: MarkBGraham2020 on February 18, 2019, 11:18:59 AM
CITIZENS  FREEDOM  PARTY NEWS RELEASE -We are proud to announce that Mark B Graham of Okeechobee Florida is seeking the party nomination  for President in 2020
 




Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lambsbread on February 18, 2019, 11:44:57 AM
CITIZENS  FREEDOM  PARTY NEWS RELEASE -We are proud to announce that Mark B Graham of Okeechobee Florida is seeking the party nomination  for President in 2020
 




Well, the race finally has a clear front-runner.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 18, 2019, 12:06:39 PM
Hickenlooper's going back to Iowa on Feb. 23rd:

https://www.denverpost.com/2019/02/14/colorado-political-newsletter-22/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on February 18, 2019, 12:59:50 PM
CITIZENS  FREEDOM  PARTY NEWS RELEASE -We are proud to announce that Mark B Graham of Okeechobee Florida is seeking the party nomination  for President in 2020
Drop out and endorse Trump!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on February 18, 2019, 08:51:22 PM
Senator Bernie Sanders will be on CBS This Morning tomorrow at 7AM EST, and his campaign is rumored to be sending an "important email" tomorrow to supporters.

Given the rumor that he was seen filming a video confirming he is running just a few days ago, it seems like tomorrow could be the day.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Big Abraham on February 18, 2019, 10:31:50 PM
Senator Bernie Sanders will be on CBS This Morning tomorrow at 7AM EST, and his campaign is rumored to be sending an "important email" tomorrow to supporters.

Given the rumor that he was seen filming a video confirming he is running just a few days ago, it seems like tomorrow could be the day.

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Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Ebsy on February 19, 2019, 12:09:49 AM
He's running /s


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on February 19, 2019, 12:24:38 AM
Trump, Bernie, and Tulsi are the only decent candidates so far. Glad he’s running again, because I’m not voting for Pence if the coup succeeds.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 19, 2019, 01:25:12 AM
https://www.wmur.com/article/key-bernie-sanders-supporter-says-presidential-announcement-coming-tuesday/26398867

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WMUR has learned that an email announcing the Vermont senator's plans to run for president will be sent to his supporters on Tuesday.

A key Sanders supporter told WMUR that one of Sanders’ closest advisors informed the supporter that the announcement will be made in an email. It was not made clear to the supporter whether it will be an outright announcement of a candidacy or an announcement of an exploratory committee.
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The Sanders supporter who spoke with WMUR was unsure if the email announcement will include the video, although the supporter said it is likely. The supporter said also plans for at least one announcement speech, if not two, are in the works.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on February 19, 2019, 01:57:53 AM
The Twitter war this is going to launch is going to be entertaining.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 19, 2019, 03:05:13 AM
Here's a roundup of the Sanders chatter right now:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-19/bernie-sanders-presidential-speculation-grows-ahead-of-interview

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-‘CBS This Morning’ teased what it called a "revealing interview" with Sanders set to air Tuesday morning

-WMUR, the flagship TV station of New Hampshire, reports an email announcing Sanders’ plans to run will be sent to supporters tomorrow

-CNN says "all signs are pointing" to a Tuesday announcement

-Politico earlier reported Sanders had recorded a video saying he’s running, citing two unnamed people familiar [with it]


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: TarHeelDem on February 19, 2019, 06:44:11 AM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: mgop on February 19, 2019, 07:51:08 AM
now only left beto and biden to declare


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: TarHeelDem on February 19, 2019, 08:12:06 AM
Don't forget Sherrod! #DignityOfWork


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: mgop on February 19, 2019, 08:23:12 AM
yeah, i like sherrod more than these two but many says than he's not "big" candidate


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on February 19, 2019, 11:44:23 AM
Yep, looks like we have 2 major candidates and 1 minor, but my favorite, candidate left to announce.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: TarHeelDem on February 19, 2019, 11:54:15 AM
I'm still expecting Swalwell, Hickenlooper, and Inslee to enter the race, too. Bloomberg and Merkley probably stay out.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lambsbread on February 19, 2019, 12:32:44 PM
I'm still expecting Swalwell, Hickenlooper, and Inslee to enter the race, too. Bloomberg and Merkley probably stay out.

I'm hoping all of the above stay out, except for maybe Inslee. I want Bullock to enter the race, but I think the field is pretty set as is. Inslee would be great to really bring climate change back to the forefront of the discussion.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: TarHeelDem on February 19, 2019, 12:47:53 PM
I'm still expecting Swalwell, Hickenlooper, and Inslee to enter the race, too. Bloomberg and Merkley probably stay out.

I'm hoping all of the above stay out, except for maybe Inslee. I want Bullock to enter the race, but I think the field is pretty set as is. Inslee would be great to really bring climate change back to the forefront of the discussion.

Hopefully Chuck convinces Bullock to run for Senate (forgot about him).

I agree on Inslee re:climate change. I'd also love to see Swalwell run because he has the best cybersecurity/intelligence credentials out of everyone. Those are really critical issues for me. I think I'd be happy to see Merkley enter, too, just to help shift the debate leftward. Hickenlooper's okay but I don't think he really brings anything unique to the table.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: The Mikado on February 19, 2019, 01:09:02 PM
I thought Inslee was already running. ???


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Cabbage on February 19, 2019, 01:28:00 PM
I thought Inslee was already running. ???

Yeah, that Atlantic article's title was absolutely atrocious. He hasn't announced yet, though (in theory, he'll announce his intentions by April 28).


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 19, 2019, 01:30:32 PM
I thought Inslee was already running. ???

No, he isn't.  What he's doing is the same as what most of the other as-yet-undeclared candidates are doing (e.g., Bullock, Hickenlooper, McAuliffe, etc.): Using his PAC as a pseudo-exploratory committee, in that it funds his trips to Iowa and New Hampshire, and also pays some political staff who he'll presumably "promote" to work on his actual presidential campaign when/if he ever launches one.  Most of the candidates already in the race were doing the same thing up until the day they launched their campaigns, or formed an exploratory committee.  As were prospective candidates who ultimately opted not to run, like O'Malley.

However, Inslee made some offhand comment a month or so ago that he's "exploring a race for president", and I guess that prompted Wikipedia to briefly list him as having an exploratory committee, because they misunderstood.  But he doesn't have one.  He just has a PAC, like most of the others who aren't yet legally in the race yet still making early primary state visits and the like.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Cabbage on February 19, 2019, 02:03:51 PM
I thought Inslee was already running. ???

However, Inslee made some offhand comment a month or so ago that he's "exploring a race for president", and I guess that prompted Wikipedia to briefly list him as having an exploratory committee, because they misunderstood.  But he doesn't have one.  He just has a PAC, like most of the others who aren't yet legally in the race yet still making early primary state visits and the like.


With regards to that, the biggest problem was that The Atlantic literally ran an article titled "Jay Inslee Is Running for President on Climate Change" (or something to that effect; they later changed the title when they realized how it had been misconstrued). This set off a chaotic period of "is he running, is he exploring, is he just 'expressing interest,' (i.e. what Morden said)" that lasted a couple of weeks. They eventually got it settled, but yeah, it was pretty confusing during that time.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ViaActiva on February 19, 2019, 02:41:07 PM
I doubt that Beto and Biden run, maybe Biden.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: UWS on February 19, 2019, 04:32:57 PM
I doubt that Beto and Biden run, maybe Biden.

Actually, when Biden met the Armenian President yesterday, he asked Biden whether he is going to run, then there were whispers that could not be easily heard but if you read well Biden's lips, he would have said "I'm gonna run." And according to Biden's gestures, his answer also sounded like a yes.

https://news.am/eng/news/497152.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 19, 2019, 04:34:47 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on February 19, 2019, 05:30:51 PM
Sounds like Beto is talking himself out of it.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 19, 2019, 06:16:35 PM



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Statilius the Epicurean on February 19, 2019, 07:32:04 PM
Isn't the problem for Beto that if he runs for the Senate he'll be out of contention for the Veepstakes? That seems like a big argument in favour for running for President.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lambsbread on February 19, 2019, 08:41:02 PM
Isn't the problem for Beto that if he runs for the Senate he'll be out of contention for the Veepstakes? That seems like a big argument in favour for running for President.

Or a big argument in favor of him hitting the campaign trail either way because he really wants to be Veep.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: MarkBGraham2020 on February 19, 2019, 09:21:33 PM
Here is the official site of Mark B Graham  for President of the United States in 2020

https://markbgraham2020.wixsite.com/home


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on February 19, 2019, 09:50:58 PM
This woman 2020



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Ferguson97 on February 19, 2019, 11:48:10 PM
Trump, Bernie, and Tulsi are the only decent candidates so far. Glad he’s running again, because I’m not voting for Pence if the coup succeeds.

How are those three your preferred candidates? Tulsi/Bernie couldn't be more different from Trump.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 20, 2019, 01:12:16 AM
Hogan says he’s undecided on whether to run in 2020, but warns that Trump is a weak GE candidates for the party to put up in 2020:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/larry-hogan-says-trump-looks-pretty-weak-for-2020-general-election/

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"At some point if he weakens further, Republicans would say we're concerned about whether or not he's going to win if we're going to face a very far-left Democratic nominee, and is he going to take the rest of us down with him if you're an elected official," he added.
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Hogan told CBS News the probability of someone stealing a party's presidential nomination from an incumbent president is very slim. But then, he noted that the odds were also not in his favor when he won two consecutive gubernatorial races in Maryland.  

"I don't know what it's going to look like down the road," he said. "Today it would be very difficult. Nobody has successfully challenged a sitting president in the same party in a primary since 1884. I know I'm the second Republican in the history of Maryland but I'm not sure, that's probably about the same odds I guess."

Bloomberg’s political team is talking to recipients of $ from his philanthropic network to ask who would support his presidential run, should he decide to go ahead:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/19/michael-bloomberg-network-2020-1173605

Swalwell:

https://dailyiowan.com/2019/02/18/iowa-native-likely-to-announce-2020-bid/

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“I’m about to jump in, the water’s warm,” U.S. Rep. Eric Swalwell, D-Calif., joked Monday, referring to his decision on whether or not he will be running for President.

The Sac City native turned California Congressman made a stop in Iowa City ahead of a potential announcement regarding his candidacy for the Democratic nomination for President.

“I expect very soon to make an announcement,” He added in all seriousness during a town hall-like event held Monday afternoon at the Iowa City Public Library.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 20, 2019, 10:04:07 AM
O’Rourke says he still hopes to decide by the end of the month, but isn’t ruling out the possibility of taking longer:

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/02/19/beto-orourke-keeps-suspense-days-until-anticipated-2020-decision/

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He repeatedly expressed hope he could reach a decision by Feb. 28 but noted he would not be "limited by the end of this month." And he indicated he has not given much thought to how he would announce his decision — or what a White House bid would look like beyond being similar to his past campaigns.


Hogan:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/larry-hogan-maryland-governor-isnt-ruling-out-primary-challenge-to-trump/

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"I was just sworn in a month ago for my second term … I've got a lot of work to do here in Maryland … I would say I'm being approached from a lot of different people and I guess the best way to put it is, I haven't thrown them out of my office," Hogan said.
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Asked if President Trump is fit to be president, Hogan said, "Look, I'm not in any position to judge the fitness of the president … I've been pretty clear, I don't like the tone that the president uses. I think there are times where he acts irrationally, and makes decisions and ... does things in a way that aren't great for the Republican Party, or for the country, or for him and his agenda, for that matter. I mean, I think sometimes he can be his own worst enemy."  

And he’ll be in Iowa in a couple of weeks:

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Hogan is set to take on a far more prominent role in the coming months as head of the National Governors Association. As part of that job, he is scheduled to visit Iowa early next month.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on February 20, 2019, 10:31:18 AM
OK, guys, get ready for a huge update on Democratic primaries news.

As far as I know:

- At present, only Kamala, Gillibrand and Booker candidatures matter. Bernie and Warren doesn't count as they are both being engaged in a brawl (of their own fault) with DNC;

- Although doesn't leading in the polls, Booker seems to be running the most measured and deliberative campaign (electability will be the major issue in 2020, no matter what progressives would say), he's currently doing some intensive lobbying in East Coast big capital areas (Boston, NYC, Philly, DC);

- Kamala is in cahoots with Kirsten. They both formed loose-fitting campaign alliance as they are both women, both in similar age, both from coasts (Kamala from West, Gillibrand from East), but Gillibrand's campaign have no real strategy or something in a long run, she's said be to going around Harris political influence anyway;

- Bernie and Warren are publicly seen as a fellow partisan compatriots, but behind the scenes they are harshly chasing each other, and it seems that Bernie winning this race as of now;

- Biden still and still and still and still and still procrastinates. The thing is that he receives different feedback when talking to grassroots and to Democratic strategists and staffers;

- Kirmala (portmanteau of Kamala and Kirsten) openly attacked Bernie and Warren and their progressive minions for doing what they are doing within the frames of DNC, they both even wanted to bring this case to FBI or to block DNC's support for these two, but DNC boss, Perez ruled out these decisions, because these problems within Democrats could as well get to the circles close to GOP


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Not Me, Us on February 20, 2019, 12:10:07 PM
OK, guys, get ready for a huge update on Democratic primaries news:

- At present, only Kamala, Gillibrand and Booker candidatures matter. Bernie and Warren doesn't count as they are both being engaged in a brawl (of their own fault) with DNC;

- Although doesn't leading in the polls, Booker seems to be running the most measured and deliberative campaign (electability will be the major issue in 2020, no matter what progressives would say), he's currently doing some intensive lobbying in East Coast big capital areas (Boston, NYC, Philly, DC);

- Kamala is in cahoots with Kirsten. They both formed loose-fitting campaign alliance as they are both women, both in similar age, both from coasts (Kamala from West, Gillibrand from East), but Gillibrand's campaign have no real strategy or something in a long run, she's said be to going around Harris political influence anyway;

- Bernie and Warren are publicly seen as a fellow partisan compatriots, but behind the scenes they are harshly chasing each other, and it seems that Bernie winning this race as of now;

- Biden still and still and still and still and still procrastinates. The thing is that he receives different feedback when talking to grassroots and to Democratic strategists and staffers;

- Kirmala (portmanteau of Kamala and Kirsten) openly attacked Bernie and Warren and their progressive minions for doing what they are doing within the frames of DNC, they both even wanted to bring this case to FBI or to block DNC's support for these two, but DNC boss, Perez ruled out these decisions, because these problems within Democrats could as well get to the circles close to GOP

What exactly are Bernie and Warren doing that is pissing off the DNC so much?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: PaperKooper on February 20, 2019, 12:36:40 PM
OK, guys, get ready for a huge update on Democratic primaries news:

- At present, only Kamala, Gillibrand and Booker candidatures matter. Bernie and Warren doesn't count as they are both being engaged in a brawl (of their own fault) with DNC;

- Although doesn't leading in the polls, Booker seems to be running the most measured and deliberative campaign (electability will be the major issue in 2020, no matter what progressives would say), he's currently doing some intensive lobbying in East Coast big capital areas (Boston, NYC, Philly, DC);

- Kamala is in cahoots with Kirsten. They both formed loose-fitting campaign alliance as they are both women, both in similar age, both from coasts (Kamala from West, Gillibrand from East), but Gillibrand's campaign have no real strategy or something in a long run, she's said be to going around Harris political influence anyway;

- Bernie and Warren are publicly seen as a fellow partisan compatriots, but behind the scenes they are harshly chasing each other, and it seems that Bernie winning this race as of now;

- Biden still and still and still and still and still procrastinates. The thing is that he receives different feedback when talking to grassroots and to Democratic strategists and staffers;

- Kirmala (portmanteau of Kamala and Kirsten) openly attacked Bernie and Warren and their progressive minions for doing what they are doing within the frames of DNC, they both even wanted to bring this case to FBI or to block DNC's support for these two, but DNC boss, Perez ruled out these decisions, because these problems within Democrats could as well get to the circles close to GOP

Do your sources still say that Sherrod Brown has a lock on the VP slot?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on February 20, 2019, 02:30:08 PM
OK, guys, get ready for a huge update on Democratic primaries news:

- At present, only Kamala, Gillibrand and Booker candidatures matter. Bernie and Warren doesn't count as they are both being engaged in a brawl (of their own fault) with DNC;

- Although doesn't leading in the polls, Booker seems to be running the most measured and deliberative campaign (electability will be the major issue in 2020, no matter what progressives would say), he's currently doing some intensive lobbying in East Coast big capital areas (Boston, NYC, Philly, DC);

- Kamala is in cahoots with Kirsten. They both formed loose-fitting campaign alliance as they are both women, both in similar age, both from coasts (Kamala from West, Gillibrand from East), but Gillibrand's campaign have no real strategy or something in a long run, she's said be to going around Harris political influence anyway;

- Bernie and Warren are publicly seen as a fellow partisan compatriots, but behind the scenes they are harshly chasing each other, and it seems that Bernie winning this race as of now;

- Biden still and still and still and still and still procrastinates. The thing is that he receives different feedback when talking to grassroots and to Democratic strategists and staffers;

- Kirmala (portmanteau of Kamala and Kirsten) openly attacked Bernie and Warren and their progressive minions for doing what they are doing within the frames of DNC, they both even wanted to bring this case to FBI or to block DNC's support for these two, but DNC boss, Perez ruled out these decisions, because these problems within Democrats could as well get to the circles close to GOP

Do your sources still say that Sherrod Brown has a lock on the VP slot?

Yes, Midwestern running mate is inevitable, as DNC wants to focus especially on Ohio and Pennsylvania, I mean electorally. Please wait until May 1 when Sherrod may announce, or (that's for sure) unveil his "Rust Belt Act" redevelopment program.

What exactly are Bernie and Warren doing that is pissing off the DNC so much?

For instance, their staffs make sugarcoated reports and analyzes they are sending to DNC, to pump (falsely) the grassroots support in Sanders or Warren campaigns, and there was some kind of edit war about it in DNC internal system, that's why Kirmala was so mad about it. They must admit that they have gone too far with that.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on February 20, 2019, 02:57:39 PM
OK, guys, get ready for a huge update on Democratic primaries news:

- At present, only Kamala, Gillibrand and Booker candidatures matter. Bernie and Warren doesn't count as they are both being engaged in a brawl (of their own fault) with DNC;

- Although doesn't leading in the polls, Booker seems to be running the most measured and deliberative campaign (electability will be the major issue in 2020, no matter what progressives would say), he's currently doing some intensive lobbying in East Coast big capital areas (Boston, NYC, Philly, DC);

- Kamala is in cahoots with Kirsten. They both formed loose-fitting campaign alliance as they are both women, both in similar age, both from coasts (Kamala from West, Gillibrand from East), but Gillibrand's campaign have no real strategy or something in a long run, she's said be to going around Harris political influence anyway;

- Bernie and Warren are publicly seen as a fellow partisan compatriots, but behind the scenes they are harshly chasing each other, and it seems that Bernie winning this race as of now;

- Biden still and still and still and still and still procrastinates. The thing is that he receives different feedback when talking to grassroots and to Democratic strategists and staffers;

- Kirmala (portmanteau of Kamala and Kirsten) openly attacked Bernie and Warren and their progressive minions for doing what they are doing within the frames of DNC, they both even wanted to bring this case to FBI or to block DNC's support for these two, but DNC boss, Perez ruled out these decisions, because these problems within Democrats could as well get to the circles close to GOP

Do your sources still say that Sherrod Brown has a lock on the VP slot?

Yes, Midwestern running mate is inevitable, as DNC wants to focus especially on Ohio and Pennsylvania, I mean electorally. Please wait until May 1 when Sherrod may announce, or (that's for sure) unveil his "Rust Belt Act" redevelopment program.

What exactly are Bernie and Warren doing that is pissing off the DNC so much?

For instance, their staffs make sugarcoated reports and analyzes they are sending to DNC, to pump (falsely) the grassroots support in Sanders or Warren campaigns, and there was some kind of edit war about it in DNC internal system, that's why Kirmala was so mad about it. They must admit that they have gone too far with that.

For some odd reason, I kinda doubt these sources that are giving you rather crucial behind the scenes info that only you have been given and not any other major media establishment.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on February 20, 2019, 05:57:34 PM
Surely there is something in this forum's TOS to justify action against posters who blatantly and repeatedly present invented rumors from their personal "sources" as facts, particularly in a more serious thread like this one?

It should also be something in this forum TOS to justify hurling such trumped-up accusations. If that is such a big burden for you, I will simply stop posting the news I have.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 21, 2019, 01:16:05 AM
Tim Ryan, in New Hampshire, says he's "getting close" to making his decision about whether to run for president or not:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ryan-in-nh-as-he-decides-on-2020-run-says-democrats-hostile-business


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sestak on February 21, 2019, 01:19:53 AM
Hey, if Ryan and Moulton both run, maybe they’ll split their vote and each only get a quarter-percent if the electorate instead of the half-percent each would otherwise be getting!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on February 21, 2019, 01:59:22 AM
Hey, if Ryan and Moulton both run, maybe they’ll split their vote and each only get a quarter-percent if the electorate instead of the half-percent each would otherwise be getting!
Not sure about that. Ryan will get about 0.6%, three times the support of Moulton, who will probably finish behind Marrianee Williams. But it’s Andrew Yang who will get the last laugh, because he’ll pull a Mike Braun and beat them both.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 21, 2019, 09:51:36 AM
NBC's latest on Biden: All indications inside Biden-world indicate that he's leaning towards a run, though not looking forward to the prospect of political attacks on his family, which gives him some hesitation.  Latest moving target for a decision is mid-March, and then (assuming the answer is yes) could take a week a week or two after that before a public announcement, which would mean end of March or beginning of April:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-gets-closer-white-house-bid-serious-concerns-remain-n973861

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Conversations with aides to the former vice president and others who’ve spoken with him in recent weeks present the idea of a Biden candidacy as not if but when. Since the start of the year it’s been like a “slow boil,” as one aide put it, with Biden’s answer on whether to run moving in a steady direction toward yes, incrementally warmer with each passing day.

Elected Democrats and key party figures who’ve spoken with Biden, in person or by phone, say he has been giving percentages of the likelihood of him running — from 70, to 80 and even more recently 90 percent. He speaks regularly with former President Barack Obama, who is acting as a sounding board to his former running mate. And he’s even called several of his would-be opponents in the 2020 Democratic primary, congratulating them on their announcements and wishing them well even as he may soon face off against them.
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Biden told his closest aides this week he has a few final “traps” to run before a final decision — including gut-check conversations with his children and grandchildren.

“Family is the beginning, the middle and the end. Everything revolves around family,” Biden said at one of his few public events in recent weeks.
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Biden’s team has long been working to lay the groundwork for a campaign for months, with mid-March as something of a moving target. Once given a green-light, it would likely take another week or two before any public launch — realistically putting the start into the second fundraising quarter after April 1.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Crackhead Mike Lindell on February 21, 2019, 10:00:24 AM
Does the reasoning behind Biden's forever-dither really come from his son's widow dating his other son? Is that what 'family considerations' is code for? Are there awkward and embarrassing details about that love triangle that would come out in the scrutiny of a campaign?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: PaperKooper on February 21, 2019, 10:06:36 AM
Does the reasoning behind Biden's forever-dither really come from his son's widow dating his other son? Is that what 'family considerations' is code for? Are there awkward and embarrassing details about that love triangle that would come out in the scrutiny of a campaign?

I doubt it.  Biden publicly acknowledged and approved of it last year (might have been two years).  It's certainly a really strange situation, but it's probably not really connected to Joe. 


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Possiblymaybe on February 21, 2019, 10:07:56 AM
OK, guys, get ready for a huge update on Democratic primaries news.

As far as I know:

- At present, only Kamala, Gillibrand and Booker candidatures matter. Bernie and Warren doesn't count as they are both being engaged in a brawl (of their own fault) with DNC;

- Although doesn't leading in the polls, Booker seems to be running the most measured and deliberative campaign (electability will be the major issue in 2020, no matter what progressives would say), he's currently doing some intensive lobbying in East Coast big capital areas (Boston, NYC, Philly, DC);

- Kamala is in cahoots with Kirsten. They both formed loose-fitting campaign alliance as they are both women, both in similar age, both from coasts (Kamala from West, Gillibrand from East), but Gillibrand's campaign have no real strategy or something in a long run, she's said be to going around Harris political influence anyway;

- Bernie and Warren are publicly seen as a fellow partisan compatriots, but behind the scenes they are harshly chasing each other, and it seems that Bernie winning this race as of now;

- Biden still and still and still and still and still procrastinates. The thing is that he receives different feedback when talking to grassroots and to Democratic strategists and staffers;

- Kirmala (portmanteau of Kamala and Kirsten) openly attacked Bernie and Warren and their progressive minions for doing what they are doing within the frames of DNC, they both even wanted to bring this case to FBI or to block DNC's support for these two, but DNC boss, Perez ruled out these decisions, because these problems within Democrats could as well get to the circles close to GOP

Some of this seems off. Don’t buy the whole kirmala stuff at all with regards to warren. Warren and Harris are closer than Gillibrand and Harris and has been for years. At Trumps state of the union, they were hugging and chatting with Sherrod. Warren has endorsed Harris and they campaigned for each other repeatedly. They have a long history. 


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: JG on February 21, 2019, 10:21:29 AM
OK, guys, get ready for a huge update on Democratic primaries news.

As far as I know:

- At present, only Kamala, Gillibrand and Booker candidatures matter. Bernie and Warren doesn't count as they are both being engaged in a brawl (of their own fault) with DNC;

- Although doesn't leading in the polls, Booker seems to be running the most measured and deliberative campaign (electability will be the major issue in 2020, no matter what progressives would say), he's currently doing some intensive lobbying in East Coast big capital areas (Boston, NYC, Philly, DC);

- Kamala is in cahoots with Kirsten. They both formed loose-fitting campaign alliance as they are both women, both in similar age, both from coasts (Kamala from West, Gillibrand from East), but Gillibrand's campaign have no real strategy or something in a long run, she's said be to going around Harris political influence anyway;

- Bernie and Warren are publicly seen as a fellow partisan compatriots, but behind the scenes they are harshly chasing each other, and it seems that Bernie winning this race as of now;

- Biden still and still and still and still and still procrastinates. The thing is that he receives different feedback when talking to grassroots and to Democratic strategists and staffers;

- Kirmala (portmanteau of Kamala and Kirsten) openly attacked Bernie and Warren and their progressive minions for doing what they are doing within the frames of DNC, they both even wanted to bring this case to FBI or to block DNC's support for these two, but DNC boss, Perez ruled out these decisions, because these problems within Democrats could as well get to the circles close to GOP

Some of this seems off. Don’t buy the whole kirmala stuff at all with regards to warren. Warren and Harris are closer than Gillibrand and Harris and has been for years. At Trumps state of the union, they were hugging and chatting with Sherrod. Warren has endorsed Harris and they campaigned for each other repeatedly. They have a long history. 

Yes. Gillibrand seems much closer to Booker. They both tweeted each other a message of good luck when the other announced, while Kirsten brought up Harris just when an interviewer asked her about Harris.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on February 21, 2019, 10:59:11 AM
It also doesnt make sense why the two would be working together, considering Gillibrand has 0-1% in the polls, while Harris is considered one of the frontrunners.

Im also pretty sure that Sanders and Warren do count, and that the reasoning is a load of bull.

Its obviously false information guys


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 21, 2019, 11:03:19 AM
O'Rourke:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/beto-orourke-says-hes-open-to-being-a-vice-presidential-candidate-in-2020-2019-02-20

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O’Rourke said he’s still weighing what effect any national campaign would have on his wife and three small children.

“I want to make sure that I think that through. I won’t be limited by the end of this month, but I expect to be able to get to a decision by the end of this month,” he said.

He said he wasn’t sure what such an announcement might look like, or whether it would be a rally in El Paso like the one he staged across the street from President Donald Trump’s speech here last week. O’Rourke also said he didn’t know if he’d hire a pollster or political consultants, which he had shunned while challenging Cruz.

“I haven’t really gotten to thinking through those kinds of issues,” O’Rourke said. “I think any campaign I run, including for school board of El Paso Independent School District, I would want to run the same way I’ve run every race, as grassroots as possible.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gerritcole on February 21, 2019, 01:59:42 PM
Surely there is something in this forum's TOS to justify action against posters who blatantly and repeatedly present invented rumors from their personal "sources" as facts, particularly in a more serious thread like this one?

It should also be something in this forum TOS to justify hurling such trumped-up accusations. If that is such a big burden for you, I will simply stop posting the news I have.


pls stop


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: gottsu on February 21, 2019, 04:43:19 PM

Some of this seems off. Don’t buy the whole kirmala stuff at all with regards to warren. Warren and Harris are closer than Gillibrand and Harris and has been for years. At Trumps state of the union, they were hugging and chatting with Sherrod. Warren has endorsed Harris and they campaigned for each other repeatedly. They have a long history.  


Yes. Gillibrand seems much closer to Booker. They both tweeted each other a message of good luck when the other announced, while Kirsten brought up Harris just when an interviewer asked her about Harris.

It also doesnt make sense why the two would be working together, considering Gillibrand has 0-1% in the polls, while Harris is considered one of the frontrunners.

Im also pretty sure that Sanders and Warren do count, and that the reasoning is a load of bull.

Its obviously false information guys

Guys, if you write such things - you simply doesn't know how real politics works. That's all.

Like I said earlier, I am leaving this forum, because I don't want to be lynched by the likes of yours and end like Anthony Rendon (CA assembly speaker who refused to bring a vote on universal health care bill and was receiving death threats) in 2017.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on February 21, 2019, 09:17:54 PM
Castro seems to have disappeared, haven't heard anything from his since he announced. I see more people talking about Buttigieg than him right now.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: tosk on February 22, 2019, 12:29:09 AM
Castro seems to have disappeared, haven't heard anything from his since he announced. I see more people talking about Buttigieg than him right now.

per his social media he was just in Iowa and is planning trips to all fifty states. If y'all are interested the campaign has a spot for you to submit your hometown as a potential site for him to visit while hitting each state.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 22, 2019, 12:35:02 AM
Hogan says he expects to travel to New Hampshire in the spring, and goes after the RNC for trying to prevent a competitive primary:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/21/larry-hogan-2020-trump-1179635

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“Typically they try to be fair arbiters of a process and I’ve never seen anything like it and I’ve been involved in the Republican Party for most of my life. It’s unprecedented. And in my opinion it’s not the way we should be going about our politics,” Hogan, a popular two-term Maryland governor, said in an interview with POLITICO. “It’s very undemocratic and to say, ‘We’re in some cases not going to allow a debate, we may not have a primary…’”

“And the question is, what are they afraid of?” he added. “Because on the one hand you look at polls, 70 percent of Republicans support the president in a primary. Why are they so concerned? Why the puffing out the chest — ‘We’ve put together the greatest team ever assembled, we’re going to raise all this money early, we’re going to hire all these people early, we’re going to take over the RNC…’”
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Hogan’s team has been in talks to appear at Politics & Eggs at St. Anselm College in New Hampshire, which has long drawn presidential hopefuls. He said he expected to make a trip to the first-in-the-nation primary state sometime this spring. Aside from participating in Politics & Eggs, he also raised the prospect of meeting with the state’s Republican governor, Chris Sununu. The two recently sat together at the Gridiron dinner.

Obama’s political organization is merging with Eric Holder’s National Redistricting Action Fund, but Holder says that this move doesn’t have anything to do with his deliberations about whether to run for president, and that he’s still undecided on said run:

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/430845-obama-political-arm-to-merge-with-holder-run-group

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While the merger represents a transfer of one of the most valuable commodities in American politics, Holder said he would be legally precluded from using it for his own political purposes.

Holder is still considering a run for president, a decision he said he would make in short order, and he said the merger is not an indication that he is leaning one way or the other.

“This is not about any one person's political objectives or anything like that,” Holder said. “I think I'm going to make a decision about what I'm going to do with regard to a potential run for the presidency in the next three weeks or so.”

Inslee allies have created a new Super PAC that’ll presumably back him if he ends up running for prez:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/21/jay-inslee-pac-2020-1178721

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The unlimited-money group, called Act Now On Climate, was formed by veteran Democratic operative Corey Platt, former political director of the Democratic Governors Association. Inslee chaired the governors group in 2018, when he traveled the country campaigning for Democratic governors and introducing himself in key states. Platt also served in the role when Inslee ran for reelection in Washington in 2016.

The super PAC’s launch illustrates Inslee’s long-shot position in the Democratic presidential field — and how he will focus on the environment to make a mark in the campaign. The primary is already full of candidates who have disavowed big donors and support from outside groups, but Inslee is much less known than many of his 2020 rivals and he does not have the same broad grassroots donor base that candidates like Sens. Bernie Sanders, Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren, making a super PAC a more alluring option.

Platt told POLITICO the super PAC will not accept corporate PAC money, and he added that the group will remain active in the 2020 race even if Inslee does not kick off a campaign.

"We hope Jay Inslee runs, because he has been the leading champion of solving climate change in the Democratic Party," Platt said. "If he doesn’t, we will continue to work to make sure Democratic presidential candidates make this issue the priority."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 22, 2019, 12:38:19 AM
Btw, I'm also wondering if the Mueller Report is going to end up messing with some of the remaining 2020 Dems' announcement plans.  If it drops / is leaked or whatever next week, then isn't it going to completely consume the political news cycle for a while?  Bloomberg or O'Rourke or anyone else thinking about 2020 announcements might have to think about planning around it.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lambsbread on February 22, 2019, 08:36:55 AM
I see more people talking about Buttigieg than him right now.

I like Castro, but I'm really happy Pete is getting his chance to talk to the nation right now.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 22, 2019, 10:22:44 AM
de Blasio will be in Iowa on both Saturday and Sunday this weekend:

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2019/02/21/election-20202-new-york-city-mayor-de-blasio-heads-iowa-amid-2020-speculation-caucus-president/2943317002/

Tim Ryan says he won't run unless he thinks he can win:

http://www.vindy.com/news/2019/feb/22/valley-rep-ryan-faces-long-odds-if-he-de/

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Ryan told me: “I won’t run if I don’t think I can win. I’m not in this for therapy or a vanity project. I’d run to make a difference in people’s lives.”

However, he also says that should he run, he'll (at least in the primary phase) file to run for both the presidential race and reelection for his House seat, so that he has a backup plan if the presidency doesn't work out.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on February 22, 2019, 12:14:33 PM
Tim Ryan says he won't run unless he thinks he can win:

http://www.vindy.com/news/2019/feb/22/valley-rep-ryan-faces-long-odds-if-he-de/

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Ryan told me: “I won’t run if I don’t think I can win. I’m not in this for therapy or a vanity project. I’d run to make a difference in people’s lives.”

However, he also says that should he run, he'll (at least in the primary phase) file to run for both the presidential race and reelection for his House seat, so that he has a backup plan if the presidency doesn't work out.


I always kind of imagined Ryan being Sherrod Brown's Joe Kennedy to Elizabeth Warren but it seems not.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on February 22, 2019, 12:25:06 PM
So a little while ago I outlined some candidates who had gone quiet+some of your usual pointless speculation. I'm gonna check on that:

Garcetti - OUT
Swalwell - Seems obvious he's gonna announce some time
Holder - He's making a decision in March. I know he's gone/is going to Iowa a *little bit* but I really think he's out.
Ryan - Again, it seems like he's actually running. Maybe it's just because Brown really hasn't come to a decision yet?

New guy for the list would be Jeff Merkley. Last we heard of his 2020 plans he was talking about Republicans putting up a good candidate for his seat, so maybe he wouldn't run. I think him, Holder, and *if Brown runs* maybe Ryan are good candidates to join the ranks of Patrick/Cuomo/Garcetti/etc.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on February 22, 2019, 05:15:29 PM
It always seemed to me that Holder's presidential ambitions were really about promoting his redistricting initiative more than about a real run.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Cold War Liberal on February 22, 2019, 06:44:37 PM
However, he also says that should he run, he'll (at least in the primary phase) file to run for both the presidential race and reelection for his House seat, so that he has a backup plan if the presidency doesn't work out.

Can he legally do this? I thought you couldn't run for both the House and higher office at the same time if you're already a member of the House, but I also can't remember where I "learned" that, and can't find a source at the moment. Is this just discouraged? Is it just a matter of state law?

(I know if you were to win the higher office, you have to resign your house seat, which triggers a special election under Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: tosk on February 22, 2019, 07:37:25 PM
However, he also says that should he run, he'll (at least in the primary phase) file to run for both the presidential race and reelection for his House seat, so that he has a backup plan if the presidency doesn't work out.

Can he legally do this? I thought you couldn't run for both the House and higher office at the same time if you're already a member of the House, but I also can't remember where I "learned" that, and can't find a source at the moment. Is this just discouraged? Is it just a matter of state law?

(I know if you were to win the higher office, you have to resign your house seat, which triggers a special election under Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution)

https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/can-you-run-for-congress-and-president-depends-on-where

found this. appears that california is a question mark if he can, I suppose his campaign thinks he can.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 23, 2019, 01:12:11 AM
However, he also says that should he run, he'll (at least in the primary phase) file to run for both the presidential race and reelection for his House seat, so that he has a backup plan if the presidency doesn't work out.

Can he legally do this? I thought you couldn't run for both the House and higher office at the same time if you're already a member of the House

It's determined by state law, and every state is different.

However, he also says that should he run, he'll (at least in the primary phase) file to run for both the presidential race and reelection for his House seat, so that he has a backup plan if the presidency doesn't work out.

Can he legally do this? I thought you couldn't run for both the House and higher office at the same time if you're already a member of the House, but I also can't remember where I "learned" that, and can't find a source at the moment. Is this just discouraged? Is it just a matter of state law?

(I know if you were to win the higher office, you have to resign your house seat, which triggers a special election under Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution)

https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/can-you-run-for-congress-and-president-depends-on-where

found this. appears that california is a question mark if he can, I suppose his campaign thinks he can.

Ryan represents a district in Ohio, not California.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 23, 2019, 01:14:39 AM
Hickenlooper hires an Iowa director:

https://kdvr.com/2019/02/22/hickenlooper-hires-iowa-organizer-as-he-considers-2020-bid/

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Hickenlooper’s Leadership PAC hired Ferguson Yacyshyn as an adviser. If Hickenlooper runs, Yacyshyn would likely become the campaign’s caucus director.

Yacyshyn was field director for the successful Iowa gubernatorial primary campaign of Democrat Fred Hubbell, who lost the general election. Yacyshyn then became field director for the state party’s coordinated campaign during the fall. Iowa Democrats picked up two congressional seats.

Yacyshyn is Hickenlooper’s second Iowa hire. The former governor has already enlisted Democratic strategist Sam Roecker as a consultant.

Brown’s early state tour takes him to Nevada tomorrow:

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/sherrod-brown-coming-to-las-vegas-amid-weighing-2020-bid-1596979/

Dispatch from Bennet’s visit to Iowa here:

https://www.denverpost.com/2019/02/21/michael-bennet-iowa-2020-presidential-race/

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“This was a great evening tonight,” Bennet said. “I enjoyed it. It makes me enthusiastic to come back.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Tender Branson on February 23, 2019, 02:10:47 AM
All of this shows that the race is not getting interesting until September/October, because there's enough time for important candidates to jump in until then, without missing anything (ballots are only printed in November for the early primary states and organisation takes no more than a couple months in those small states with the right plan).

So, who cares if there are debates in June or July already ? Everyone's on vacation anyway.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 23, 2019, 11:34:04 AM
All of this shows that the race is not getting interesting until September/October, because there's enough time for important candidates to jump in until then, without missing anything (ballots are only printed in November for the early primary states and organisation takes no more than a couple months in those small states with the right plan).

So, who cares if there are debates in June or July already ? Everyone's on vacation anyway.

Someone like Biden can afford to delay, and still run a serious campaign.  However, if you're someone who's less well known, like a Tim Ryan, or even a Senator like Bennet or Merkley, then delaying too long risks getting you McCottered out of the race.  Thaddeus McCotter ran for prez in the 2012 cycle, waiting until the summer of 2011 to jump in, which was several months after everyone else had.  By the time he entered the media didn't seem to have any interest in covering a brand new 3rd tier candidate and he got ignored, not even being included in many polls.  I feel like if McCotter had entered earlier, he would have at least had a shot at being invited to early debates.  His campaign still probably wouldn't have gone anywhere, but he would have at least had a brief moment of national exposure in which he could make his case, and let the chips fall where they may.

That's why Ryan, Bennet, Moulton, etc. should all just decide right now.  They've got a shot at being in the first couple of debates if they declare right now, but possibly not if they wait much longer.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 23, 2019, 07:23:34 PM
All of this shows that the race is not getting interesting until September/October, because there's enough time for important candidates to jump in until then, without missing anything (ballots are only printed in November for the early primary states and organisation takes no more than a couple months in those small states with the right plan).

So, who cares if there are debates in June or July already ? Everyone's on vacation anyway.

Someone like Biden can afford to delay, and still run a serious campaign.  However, if you're someone who's less well known, like a Tim Ryan, or even a Senator like Bennet or Merkley, then delaying too long risks getting you McCottered out of the race.  Thaddeus McCotter ran for prez in the 2012 cycle, waiting until the summer of 2011 to jump in, which was several months after everyone else had.  By the time he entered the media didn't seem to have any interest in covering a brand new 3rd tier candidate and he got ignored, not even being included in many polls.  I feel like if McCotter had entered earlier, he would have at least had a shot at being invited to early debates.  His campaign still probably wouldn't have gone anywhere, but he would have at least had a brief moment of national exposure in which he could make his case, and let the chips fall where they may.

That's why Ryan, Bennet, Moulton, etc. should all just decide right now.  They've got a shot at being in the first couple of debates if they declare right now, but possibly not if they wait much longer.


This doesn't seem true in recent history, although I have to thank you for reminding me of Thaddeus McCotter.

The Republican Party showed an appetite for additional candidates for 2012 throughout the preceding summer, but when prospective candidates like Chris Christie chose not to run political journalists blamed his demurral on the organizational challenge of entering the campaign so late. We've seen plenty of top-tier candidacies scuttled by later entries in recent campaigns, as with Rick Perry, Fred Thompson, and Wes Clark.

The most recent example of this might even be Biden himself, who by many accounts already regretted his failure to prepare a 2016 campaign by fall of 2015, at which point he stayed out only because getting in wasn't really an option.

My read of things is that even a candidate with Biden's standing in the party needs to prepare more thoroughly than there's evidence of him have done so far. It's nearly spring and all that he's doing is making phone calls and non-committal public comments. I can't think of any recent candidate who has fielded a successful campaign with so little preparation at this point in the cycle.

Well, there's also the fact that usually the latest entries into the race are the candidates who are the least interested in running.  Fred Thompson and Rick Perry didn't seem all that interested in running for president up until their inner circles convinced them that there was an opening for them.  Thompson in particular then showed an unusual level of ambivalence towards campaigning for a presidential candidate, once he actually entered the race.  Maybe if they had been more motivated to run in the first place, their campaigns would have gone better.  So I'm not sure how to separate "organizational problems from getting in late" from "motivational" type problems.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 23, 2019, 07:38:07 PM
Agreed that Biden's ambivalence seems to be real.

In other news...

Hickenlooper says Schumer has asked him to consider a Senate run, but the Hick man has no interest:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/23/john-hickenlooper-2020-senate-1182424

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Former Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper, campaigning Saturday in Iowa ahead of a possible presidential run, dismissed the idea that he might end up running for Senate instead in 2020.

“I’m not cut out to be a senator,” said Hickenlooper, who added that he loves putting administrative teams together. “Senators don’t build teams. Senators sit and debate in small groups, which is important, right? But I’m not sure that’s my — I’m a doer. That’s what gives me joy.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 23, 2019, 09:04:38 PM
Inslee will be on Face the Nation tomorrow morning:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sunday-blunt-markey-inslee-lujan-grisham-kinzinger/

It was on Jan. 22nd that Inslee first said that he'll decide on 2020 in "weeks, not months":

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=303677.msg6637042#msg6637042

so maybe he'll give us an update on his timeline.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 23, 2019, 10:02:27 PM
de Blasio in Iowa:

https://siouxcityjournal.com/news/local/nyc-mayor-de-blasio-visiting-sioux-city-bar-advocates-progressivism/article_ab2ed190-2dce-5432-8630-dd9eb7c2906b.html

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"I have not ruled out a run for president, obviously," de Blasio said during his remarks. In a later conversation with reporters, he said the decision is a personal one, and that he wants to further consult his family.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 24, 2019, 12:31:12 AM
Bennet says he doesn't have a timetable for when he's going to decide whether to run or not:

https://siouxlandnews.com/news/local/vote-2020-de-blasio-hickenlooper-among-potential-candidates-visiting-iowa-saturday


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: tosk on February 24, 2019, 11:34:14 AM
However, he also says that should he run, he'll (at least in the primary phase) file to run for both the presidential race and reelection for his House seat, so that he has a backup plan if the presidency doesn't work out.

Can he legally do this? I thought you couldn't run for both the House and higher office at the same time if you're already a member of the House

It's determined by state law, and every state is different.

However, he also says that should he run, he'll (at least in the primary phase) file to run for both the presidential race and reelection for his House seat, so that he has a backup plan if the presidency doesn't work out.

Can he legally do this? I thought you couldn't run for both the House and higher office at the same time if you're already a member of the House, but I also can't remember where I "learned" that, and can't find a source at the moment. Is this just discouraged? Is it just a matter of state law?

(I know if you were to win the higher office, you have to resign your house seat, which triggers a special election under Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution)

https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/can-you-run-for-congress-and-president-depends-on-where

found this. appears that california is a question mark if he can, I suppose his campaign thinks he can.

Ryan represents a district in Ohio, not California.


I was thinking swalwell for some reason oof

But the same source says ohio laws allow Tim to run for Congress and President


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 24, 2019, 11:49:44 AM



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 24, 2019, 01:47:38 PM
At the very end of this interview:

https://www.wmur.com/article/closeup-tim-ryan-eyes-moderate-lane-in-2020-presidential-contest/26496578

Tim Ryan says he anticipates that he'll make his decision in "the next month or two".


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 25, 2019, 12:33:27 AM
Brown had previously suggested that he’d decide on whether to run in the first half of March, but now it looks like that’s slid to the latter half of March:

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2019/feb/23/sherrod-brown-promises-in-las-vegas-to-be-most-pro/

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Brown said he’s still uncertain if he’ll run in 2020, saying the decision is a personal one due to the possible impacts on his family. He said he would come to a decision in around a month.

de Blasio in Iowa, asked about his 2020 plans:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/24/nyregion/iowa-bill-de-blasio-2020.html

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Mr. de Blasio called the decision “personal” and said in an interview that he would need to speak with his family.
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Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: I Can Now Die Happy on February 25, 2019, 02:02:33 AM
Maybe this doesn't really need to be said, but one last thing I'll mention before I call it a night is that while the "no chance" candidates like Klobuchar, Gabbard, Brown, Delaney, Ojeda, etc have practically no chance at winning the nomination, they can be useful to the Democratic nominee by inserting narratives into the nationwide political dialogue that are productive. For instance, Brown and Ojeda can push the "Trump is a conman who mislead the white working class into supporting a candidate who backed the Paul Ryan agenda, what could we have expected from a billionaire" narrative, which if executed well can be decisive in bringing back the WI-MI-PA trio back into the Democratic fold. Gabbard can do the same for the "Trump promised to end unnecessary foreign intervention but bombed Syria" narrative. On the flipside, Klobuchar and Delaney might end up hurting the Democratic nominee by touting the "we can't get too extreme for the American people" narrative, which will definitely be something the likes of Bernie, Warren, Harris, etc will have to contend with.

Time will tell as to how all this plays out. I wouldn't be surprised if none of that works out and 2020 becomes a Trump friendly environment.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Lognog on February 25, 2019, 10:09:13 AM
Thank god hickenlooper isn’t going to be in the senate


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Holmes on February 25, 2019, 10:21:52 AM
Thank god hickenlooper isn’t going to be in the senate

He can still run if he drops his presidential bid before the filing deadline in Colorado.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Harlow on February 25, 2019, 12:08:55 PM
Maybe this doesn't really need to be said, but one last thing I'll mention before I call it a night is that while the "no chance" candidates like Klobuchar, Gabbard, Brown, Delaney, Ojeda, etc have practically no chance at winning the nomination, they can be useful to the Democratic nominee by inserting narratives into the nationwide political dialogue that are productive. For instance, Brown and Ojeda can push the "Trump is a conman who mislead the white working class into supporting a candidate who backed the Paul Ryan agenda, what could we have expected from a billionaire" narrative, which if executed well can be decisive in bringing back the WI-MI-PA trio back into the Democratic fold. Gabbard can do the same for the "Trump promised to end unnecessary foreign intervention but bombed Syria" narrative. On the flipside, Klobuchar and Delaney might end up hurting the Democratic nominee by touting the "we can't get too extreme for the American people" narrative, which will definitely be something the likes of Bernie, Warren, Harris, etc will have to contend with.

Time will tell as to how all this plays out. I wouldn't be surprised if none of that works out and 2020 becomes a Trump friendly environment.

Ojeda dropped out.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 25, 2019, 01:05:58 PM
Hickenlooper's been scouting sites for an announcement....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/jay-inslee-hopes-a-singular-focus-on-climate-will-get-him-to-the-white-house/2019/02/24/ad7b52c6-386d-11e9-a2cd-307b06d0257b_story.html

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Inslee’s entrance into the race could come in the next week. Former Colorado governor John Hickenlooper has been scouting venues for his anticipated announcement. Former Virginia governor Terry McAuliffe is itching to run but still weighing his prospects. Montana Gov. Steve Bullock, the current NGA chair, has been in and out of Iowa and New Hampshire taking soundings for months.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Kylar on February 25, 2019, 01:35:39 PM
Does anyone know what Governor Jay Inslee's religion is? I keep finding Protestant. By religion I mean denomination of Christianity in this context. Or is he non-denominational?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: President Johnson on February 25, 2019, 02:55:06 PM
Terry McAuliffe appeared on Morning Joe today and said he would decide by the end of March whether to run. He stands by his word that both Northam and Faifax should resign.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ9CUB8i1Ns


I don't think T-Mac would have a decent chance for nomination, but would make a decent president.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Obama-Biden Democrat on February 25, 2019, 05:36:57 PM
Terry McAuliffe appeared on Morning Joe today and said he would decide by the end of March whether to run. He stands by his word that both Northam and Faifax should resign.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ9CUB8i1Ns


I don't think T-Mac would have a decent chance for nomination, but would make a decent president.

T-Mac is a DLC hack stuck in 1996.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RI on February 25, 2019, 07:26:51 PM
Does anyone know what Governor Jay Inslee's religion is? I keep finding Protestant. By religion I mean denomination of Christianity in this context. Or is he non-denominational?


Inslee attended a UCC church as recently as 2013.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on February 25, 2019, 09:15:07 PM
Terry McAuliffe appeared on Morning Joe today and said he would decide by the end of March whether to run. He stands by his word that both Northam and Faifax should resign.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ9CUB8i1Ns


I don't think T-Mac would have a decent chance for nomination, but would make a decent president.

Unfortunately that's true of a lot of Democratic candidates and potential candidates.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 25, 2019, 11:31:12 PM
Once again today, Inslee suggested that an announcement is imminent:

http://mynorthwest.com/1285941/inslee-president-2020-msnbc/

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“I think you will see some announcement shortly about our intentions,” Inslee said. “And I do believe this moment is ripe. The American people understand that the fires that burned down Paradise, California, the floods, it’s time for action. We can build an economy around clean energy. I’m an optimist by nature, America is an optimist nation. We got to start that effort now.”

It sounds like Hogan isn’t so keen on challenging Trump in the primary right now, but might be open to it if Trump’s political standing deteriorates in the future (possibly due to something like the Mueller Report):

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/larry-hogan-lapping-up-2020-attention-but-wont-commit-to-kamikaze-mission-just-to-wound-trump

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Before Hogan forges ahead and assembles a 2020 campaign, he says he wants to see the president more vulnerable — more so than he appears presently, at least. And that, he suggested, might just happen. Alluding to special counsel Robert Mueller’s federal investigation into possible collusion with Russia in 2016, the governor said he expects the political damage to the president to pile up soon.

“If things stay the way they are, it doesn’t make too much sense,” Hogan said of a possible run, during an interview at a Washington hotel while in town for a National Governors Association conference. But he added: “I don’t think things are going to stay the way they are.”

Hogan said "there are a lot of people approaching me" and asking him to consider running for president. "I am listening to them. There are some pretty good arguments.”

“But I also understand the realities of how difficult a primary challenge is against a sitting, incumbent president. At this point in time I am not a candidate,” the governor said.

Bloomberg will be in Nevada on Tuesday:

https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/bloomberg-considering-presidential-bid-to-visit-nevada-after-passage-of-gun-background-check-bill

In comments to the Nevada Independent, he didn’t mention his self-imposed upcoming February deadline for a decision, saying only that he’ll decide “some time in the near future”:

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“I don’t know whether I’m going to run for president yet,” Bloomberg said. “Some time in the near future I have to make a decision, and it’s nice that Harry [Reid] thinks that I would do a good job and be good for the party as well.”

Sherrod Brown headed to South Carolina on Friday and Saturday:

https://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/article226748514.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RaphaelDLG on February 25, 2019, 11:43:29 PM
Terry McAuliffe appeared on Morning Joe today and said he would decide by the end of March whether to run. He stands by his word that both Northam and Faifax should resign.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ9CUB8i1Ns


I don't think T-Mac would have a decent chance for nomination, but would make a decent president.

Unfortunately that's true of a lot of Democratic candidates and potential candidates.

But definitely not T-Mac, a man whose empty brain only contains temporarily stored lobbyist cash


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 26, 2019, 11:00:03 AM
Biden:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-team-taking-resumes-as-former-vp-decides-on-2020

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A decision by former Vice President Joe Biden on running for the White House could still be more than a month away, but that’s not stopping members of his team from taking the initial steps to build a campaign structure.

“They’re collecting resumes but making no commitments,” a source close to Biden’s inner circle told Fox News on Tuesday. “They’re thinking about where people fit” into a possible presidential campaign. The source asked to remain anonymous to speak more freely.
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“We know we’ll lose people,” the source acknowledged, with regard to the time Biden is taking to reach a decision.

But those concerns don’t appear to weigh too heavily on the former vice president when it comes to his timetable.
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Another person close to Biden – who also asked to remain anonymous to speak more freely – told Fox News that the former vice president is “definitely leaning towards yes.”

But the source emphasized that family concerns remain the top issue for Biden as he makes his decision.

Also noted in the story: Jill Biden has a book coming out in May, and it's unclear how/if that impacts any presidential announcement timeline.  (Cynical interpretation: Biden isn't running, but will keep teasing a run until June, to juice his wife's book sales.  :P )


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Skye on February 26, 2019, 11:49:58 AM


Sound the alarm!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: JG on February 26, 2019, 12:02:47 PM


Sound the alarm!

Ugh.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on February 26, 2019, 12:05:27 PM


Sound the alarm!

Ugh.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RI on February 26, 2019, 12:14:11 PM
Yes!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on February 26, 2019, 12:15:22 PM


Sound the alarm!

How many times do Democrats have to teach you this lesson, old man?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on February 26, 2019, 12:16:02 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on February 26, 2019, 12:42:14 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
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Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: junior chįmp on February 26, 2019, 01:26:05 PM


Sound the alarm!

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Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on February 26, 2019, 01:42:23 PM
The thought of a Joe Biden run makes me physically ill.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Skye on February 26, 2019, 05:18:13 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on February 26, 2019, 05:35:50 PM


If his family’s on board than he’s in.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Ye We Can on February 26, 2019, 05:44:45 PM


If his family’s on board than he’s in.

His family was on board with it in 2016 tho


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on February 26, 2019, 05:49:58 PM


If his family’s on board than he’s in.

His family was on board with it in 2016 tho
Obama (rightfully) told him to sit his incompetent ass down. This is going to be a disaster.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Crackhead Mike Lindell on February 26, 2019, 05:57:50 PM
Biden's implosion is going to be biblical. He'll lead every poll after he announces. The honeymoon period will be real. But what comes after -- the POP. The collapse.

I can't wait to see him drop out.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Obama-Biden Democrat on February 26, 2019, 05:59:46 PM
Biden could implode as bad as Gary Hart did in 1988.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: NYSforKennedy2024 on February 26, 2019, 06:49:21 PM
Biden's implosion is going to be biblical. He'll lead every poll after he announces. The honeymoon period will be real. But what comes after -- the POP. The collapse.

I can't wait to see him drop out.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on February 26, 2019, 06:50:37 PM
Biden's implosion is going to be biblical. He'll lead every poll after he announces. The honeymoon period will be real. But what comes after -- the POP. The collapse.

I can't wait to see him drop out.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on February 26, 2019, 06:51:31 PM
Yeah, Biden looks like hes gonna run.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: here2view on February 26, 2019, 07:01:46 PM
Good news on Biden, he's the candidate most suited to beat Trump. Atlas vastly underrates him when compared to people in real life's opinion. It's ridiculous.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RI on February 26, 2019, 07:09:42 PM
Good news on Biden, he's the candidate most suited to beat Trump. Atlas vastly underrates him when compared to people in real life's opinion. It's ridiculous.

It makes me feel like the Dems are about to do what the GOP did so many times during the Obama administration and throw away a winnable race during the primary a la Christine O'Donnell, Richard Mourdock, and Todd Akin.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: An American Tail: Fubart Goes West on February 26, 2019, 07:13:01 PM
Biden's implosion is going to be biblical. He'll lead every poll after he announces. The honeymoon period will be real. But what comes after -- the POP. The collapse.

I can't wait to see him drop out.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: scutosaurus on February 26, 2019, 07:54:40 PM
Good news on Biden, he's the candidate most suited to beat Trump. Atlas vastly underrates him when compared to people in real life's opinion. It's ridiculous.

It makes me feel like the Dems are about to do what the GOP did so many times during the Obama administration and throw away a winnable race during the primary a la Christine O'Donnell, Richard Mourdock, and Todd Akin.

Nominating just about any of the candidates running qualifies as throwing away the nomination. The Democratic Party isn't sending its best, folks!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RaphaelDLG on February 26, 2019, 08:51:16 PM
Good news on Biden, he's the candidate most suited to beat Trump. Atlas vastly underrates him when compared to people in real life's opinion. It's ridiculous.

It makes me feel like the Dems are about to do what the GOP did so many times during the Obama administration and throw away a winnable race during the primary a la Christine O'Donnell, Richard Mourdock, and Todd Akin.

Nominating just about any of the candidates running qualifies as throwing away the nomination. The Democratic Party isn't sending its best, folks!

Dude, if only we'd wise up and draft Neil Abercrombie :(


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ○∙◄☻Ątπ[╪AV┼cVę└ on February 26, 2019, 09:02:22 PM
Good news on Biden, he's the candidate most suited to beat Trump. Atlas vastly underrates him when compared to people in real life's opinion. It's ridiculous.

It makes me feel like the Dems are about to do what the GOP did so many times during the Obama administration and throw away a winnable race during the primary a la Christine O'Donnell, Richard Mourdock, and Todd Akin.

Nominating just about any of the candidates running qualifies as throwing away the nomination. The Democratic Party isn't sending its best, folks!

Dude, if only we'd wise up and draft Neil Abercrombie :(

Naw, forget that. We need a ticket of experienced state legislators from Arkansas to bring back the WWC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_McCuiston
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milt_Earnhart


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: nicholas.slaydon on February 26, 2019, 09:17:00 PM
Biden's implosion is going to be biblical. He'll lead every poll after he announces. The honeymoon period will be real. But what comes after -- the POP. The collapse.

I can't wait to see him drop out.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on February 26, 2019, 10:22:11 PM
Biden's implosion is going to be biblical. He'll lead every poll after he announces. The honeymoon period will be real. But what comes after -- the POP. The collapse.

I can't wait to see him drop out.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on February 26, 2019, 10:23:14 PM
Joe Biden has been on the wrong side of every issue of consequence for his entire career. Iraq, Anita Hill, the bankruptcy bill, deregulation...

It's a shame that he will destroy his legacy this way.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on February 26, 2019, 10:24:31 PM
I don't know how after all this time the infamous Biden groping video has gotten zero attention from the media. I'm sure it will the moment he runs but it's crazy how something that likely ends his campaign is just out there in the open.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Beet on February 26, 2019, 10:34:58 PM

Remind me of what Atlas was saying about Trump in 2015. "Yeah he's leading in the polls now, but he'll collapse any minute now! I can't believe X scandal hasn't ended his campaign already."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Karpatsky on February 26, 2019, 10:36:39 PM

Remind me of what Atlas was saying about Trump in 2015. "Yeah he's leading in the polls now, but he'll collapse any minute now! I can't believe X scandal hasn't ended his campaign already."

The left doesn't work the same way as the right in this way - while the latter tend to close ranks, the former tend to fragment.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on February 26, 2019, 10:44:34 PM
Remind me of what Atlas was saying about Trump in 2015. "Yeah he's leading in the polls now, but he'll collapse any minute now! I can't believe X scandal hasn't ended his campaign already."
Trump's racism was right up the alley of the GOP base. The only folks in denial were beltway Republicans and elitist white liberals who have Black Lives Matter signs in their gentrified yards but send their children to private schools. People of color were not surprised Trump won the nomination.

Biden's record and current positions are at complete odds with the base of the Democratic Party. Like I said in another thread most people are brainwashed to think Biden is 1. pro-working class and 2. an ally of the black community because he and Obama had cute memes. There's no substance there. He is a paper tiger and will be quickly swept up with the rest of the trash once he's on a debate staged forced to defend his right wing policies.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: S019 on February 26, 2019, 11:25:48 PM
If he wins the primary,
He would be a formidable GE candidate he could run as a return to the Obama years and court Democrats and emphasize past stances to court moderates. As a candidate, he scares me more than liberals like Kamala Harris and Bernie Sanders, both of whom would struggle to win moderates


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 27, 2019, 12:19:33 AM

Remind me of what Atlas was saying about Trump in 2015. "Yeah he's leading in the polls now, but he'll collapse any minute now! I can't believe X scandal hasn't ended his campaign already."

Wasn't it not that long ago that you were saying that only Harris and Gabbard had a shot at the nomination (implying that Biden didn't)?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Gass3268 on February 27, 2019, 12:34:53 AM
Good news on Biden, he's the candidate most suited to beat Trump. Atlas vastly underrates him when compared to people in real life's opinion. It's ridiculous.

It makes me feel like the Dems are about to do what the GOP did so many times during the Obama administration and throw away a winnable race during the primary a la Christine O'Donnell, Richard Mourdock, and Todd Akin.

I really don't think Atlas or even some of the twittersphere understand just how much good will Biden has built up from 8 years as being VP for a President that is extremely popular with the party and a majority of Independents.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 27, 2019, 12:41:23 AM
Biden: “The most important people in my life want me to run”:

https://www.apnews.com/e1501d8ca00345d1a5d83f8f3c0ad0b2

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“There’s a consensus,” Biden told an excited crowd during an appearance at the University of Delaware. “The most important people in my life want me to run.”

He did not explicitly say he was running. In fact, the 76-year-old lifelong politician conceded he may not be popular enough to win over the Democratic Party of 2020. Yet roughly 10 months before the first primary votes are cast, Biden sent an unmistakable message to prospective rivals and voters alike that the already-crowded Democratic field is far from set.
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With his family behind him, Biden said Tuesday he’s still determining whether he can mount a high-powered campaign to win the nomination and defeat Trump. He acknowledged that he’s not sure his “alleged appeal” is real.

“I don’t want this to be a fool’s errand,” he said, noting that his personal decision not to align his candidacy with a super PAC could create financial challenges.

Biden told The New York Times he’d launch his campaign after March if he decides to get in.

In fact, here’s a link to Biden’s full (lengthy) answer about his 2020 deliberations:

https://twitter.com/DavidWright_CNN/status/1100511431865323521

In other news, O’Rourke has sent a survey to his supporters:

https://www.statesman.com/news/20190226/beto-orourke-surveys-his-supporters-as-he-nears-decision-on-presidential-race

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He’s not exactly crowd-sourcing his decision about whether to run for president in 2020, but two days before his self-imposed deadline to decide, Beto O’Rourke sent an online survey Tuesday to supporters asking them to pick their priorities from a list of issues, and then “check which of these you plan to do in the next election.” The choices are vote, attend a campaign event, knock on doors, make phone calls, send text messages, share social media posts and/or register new voters.

There are no boxes to check for run for president, run for U.S. Senate, advertise your availability for vice president, or sit the next election out. But then, those would be questions his supporters would be asking him and not the other way around.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 27, 2019, 01:09:21 AM
Bloomberg was in the early caucus state of Nevada today, but his only 2020 update was to say "I haven't made a decision yet":

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2019/feb/26/bloomberg-praises-new-gun-law-in-nevada-no-decisio/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: InheritTheWind on February 27, 2019, 01:39:00 AM
Good news on Biden, he's the candidate most suited to beat Trump. Atlas vastly underrates him when compared to people in real life's opinion. It's ridiculous.

It makes me feel like the Dems are about to do what the GOP did so many times during the Obama administration and throw away a winnable race during the primary a la Christine O'Donnell, Richard Mourdock, and Todd Akin.

I really don't think Atlas or even some of the twittersphere understand just how much good will Biden has built up from 8 years as being VP for a President that is extremely popular with the party and a majority of Independents.

I really don't think Atlas or even some of the twittersphere understand just how disappointing a Biden presidency would be given that he's pretty much a conservative on everything


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: 136or142 on February 27, 2019, 02:32:09 AM
Attended this tonight: https://events.ubc.ca/john-kasich/?fbclid=IwAR3Ek2GqoPe0vysn7Z55P8WpLCTixUYrEFVMRrNW3O2uBtENIWz5x7ktrNI

UBC Connects with Governor John Kasich

Kasich said he has no idea what the future holds for him, but said that he very much enjoyed running for President.  He said that he wishes that he had 'slowed down' when running though.  

I.E when going through life take time to stop and smell the roses.

According to a biographer on Aleister Crowley, what he meant by 'do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law' Crowley was not at all stating 'do whatever you want' but more or less the exact opposite.  Although Crowley was apparently an agnostic, he believed that every person was given a mission by their creator and a person's purpose in life was to do their mission: 'do what thou wilt.'

Kasich's talk was a mix of politics, positive thinking and spiritual/religious views and he essentially expressed the same philosophy as Alistair Crowley in that regard.

I disagree with Governor Kasich on a lot of issues, but I think he'd be a very decent President.

He said that every individual can effect change in their own way (positive thinking) but he also endorsed protests to effect change on the political level.  He said that he supported the teens who take time off of school to protest inaction on global warming and he said that he tried to get people to organize a mass protest in Ohio to support 'red flag' gun laws, but that nobody was interested.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Illini Moderate on February 27, 2019, 08:33:07 AM


I really don't think Atlas or even some of the twittersphere understand just how disappointing a Biden presidency would be given that he's pretty much a conservative on everything

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People need to stop calling moderate Democrats, conservative just because they don't agree with providing free everything and want a more incremental approach to affordable college and universal healthcare. Biden is definitely liberal on most issues and moderate on others. The day Joe Biden is classified as "conservative" is the day the Democrats have fully embraced socialism.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: History505 on February 27, 2019, 08:46:36 AM
Reminder: This is a tea leaves thread, not a place for specific discussion of a candidate's ideology or policies.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RI on February 27, 2019, 09:26:38 AM
Good news on Biden, he's the candidate most suited to beat Trump. Atlas vastly underrates him when compared to people in real life's opinion. It's ridiculous.

It makes me feel like the Dems are about to do what the GOP did so many times during the Obama administration and throw away a winnable race during the primary a la Christine O'Donnell, Richard Mourdock, and Todd Akin.

I really don't think Atlas or even some of the twittersphere understand just how much good will Biden has built up from 8 years as being VP for a President that is extremely popular with the party and a majority of Independents.

I really don't think Atlas or even some of the twittersphere understand just how disappointing a Biden presidency would be given that he's pretty much a conservative on everything


lol just lol


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 27, 2019, 10:15:03 AM
Swalwell had previously suggested that, were he to run, he might reassess his position again at the end of this year and quit the presidential race to run for reelection, if he weren't doing well in the presidential race.

Now he seems to be singing a different tune though, saying that if he runs for president, it'll be the presidency or bust:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Rep-Eric-Swalwell-will-give-up-East-Bay-seat-if-13646628.php

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If East Bay Rep. Eric Swalwell does decide to run for president — “We’re getting pretty close,” he says — the Dublin Democrat will give up the House seat he has held since 2013.
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“I would want people to know that I’m putting my all into this and I don’t have a life insurance policy.”
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So before he jumps into the presidential demolition derby, Swalwell says he’s asking himself three questions: “Can I make a difference? Do I think I can win? And can I find child care to do the first two?

The child care challenges may be the most daunting. Swalwell and his wife, Brittany Watts, a sales director at the Ritz-Carlton in Half Moon Bay, have two children under 2 years old. Watts just ended her maternity leave.

“So we’re trying to just sort out — ‘How the hell do you do something like this?’ — and still see your kids and make sure that her dreams and aspirations aren’t deferred for too long,” Swalwell said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 27, 2019, 05:18:51 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/gov-jay-inslees-2020-presidential-campaign-announcement-expected-this-week/

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Multiple sources in Washington politics said Inslee intends to roll out his campaign by the end of the week, testing his viability as a 2020 Democratic nominee while leaving open the option of seeking a third term as governor if his national candidacy flames out.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Terry the Fat Shark on February 27, 2019, 05:29:18 PM
Beto opts not to run for Senate, will likely announce Presidential bid in the coming weeks. (https://www.dallasnews.com/news/elections-2020/2019/02/27/sources-beto-orourke-wontchallenge-john-cornyn-senate-paving-way-presidential-bid?fbclid=IwAR3s1U115CRYXvQx6W9fAOwMa95ulnN8QE8lMdy5qCKArAbWI89srbWE8tE)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: OneJ on February 27, 2019, 05:55:29 PM
Beto opts not to run for Senate, will likely announce Presidential bid in the coming weeks. (https://www.dallasnews.com/news/elections-2020/2019/02/27/sources-beto-orourke-wontchallenge-john-cornyn-senate-paving-way-presidential-bid?fbclid=IwAR3s1U115CRYXvQx6W9fAOwMa95ulnN8QE8lMdy5qCKArAbWI89srbWE8tE)

Ugh.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 27, 2019, 05:55:42 PM
Beto opts not to run for Senate, will likely announce Presidential bid in the coming weeks. (https://www.dallasnews.com/news/elections-2020/2019/02/27/sources-beto-orourke-wontchallenge-john-cornyn-senate-paving-way-presidential-bid?fbclid=IwAR3s1U115CRYXvQx6W9fAOwMa95ulnN8QE8lMdy5qCKArAbWI89srbWE8tE)

Here's the relevant quote:

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Beto O'Rourke has decided not to run for Senate next year against Republican incumbent John Cornyn and likely will announce a campaign for president soon, people close to the former El Paso congressman told The Dallas Morning News Wednesday.

Numerous people close to O'Rourke said they expect him to announce his presidential campaign within weeks. For his own part, O'Rourke on Wednesday wouldn't reveal his future political plans except to say he has made up his mind.

 "Amy and I have made a decision about how we can best serve our country," he said in an exclusive statement to The Dallas Morning News. "We are excited to share it with everyone soon."

So, at last, he's publicly saying that he's made up his mind about what to do.  He just hasn't publicly revealed what the decision is yet (though he's apparently ruled out a run for Senate, according to those close to him, so I guess the implication is that it'll be a presidential run).


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on February 27, 2019, 06:12:24 PM
Beto opts not to run for Senate, will likely announce Presidential bid in the coming weeks. (https://www.dallasnews.com/news/elections-2020/2019/02/27/sources-beto-orourke-wontchallenge-john-cornyn-senate-paving-way-presidential-bid?fbclid=IwAR3s1U115CRYXvQx6W9fAOwMa95ulnN8QE8lMdy5qCKArAbWI89srbWE8tE)
Ready to donate and knock doors!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Boobs on February 27, 2019, 06:16:37 PM
Beto opts not to run for Senate, will likely announce Presidential bid in the coming weeks. (https://www.dallasnews.com/news/elections-2020/2019/02/27/sources-beto-orourke-wontchallenge-john-cornyn-senate-paving-way-presidential-bid?fbclid=IwAR3s1U115CRYXvQx6W9fAOwMa95ulnN8QE8lMdy5qCKArAbWI89srbWE8tE)
Ready to donate and knock doors!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Bumaye on February 27, 2019, 06:50:04 PM
I'm not scared of Biden. He is on top of the polls purely because of name recognition and his Obama bromance. He hasn't ran a campaign since his horrible last presidential bid and so I highly doubt he has a groundgame like Harris or Warren, not to mention Bernie. And let's be honest, Biden is not the guy people are hyped for. They like him, but would he move the people to the polls? I doubt it.

Beto meanwhile is my 2nd choice after Bernie. But to be honest I already had the feeling during his senate campaign that this was a little too much for him. He didn't had that calmness in major interviews Bernie or Harris present, he wasn't as fierce in the debates I expect Booker and Warren to be. I don't know. I think he is great at campaigning with the people directly and I think he would make a great president but my guts tell me this is not the campaign he wins.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 27, 2019, 07:45:19 PM
Inslee announcement will reportedly happen on Friday:

https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/jay-inslee-2020-presidential-run-sources-confirm-he-ll-announce-on-friday/925874341

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Washington Governor Jay Inslee is planning to announce his 2020 presidential run Friday morning, sources confirm to KIRO 7.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: here2view on February 27, 2019, 07:47:43 PM
Inslee announcement will reportedly happen on Friday:

https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/jay-inslee-2020-presidential-run-sources-confirm-he-ll-announce-on-friday/925874341

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Washington Governor Jay Inslee is planning to announce his 2020 presidential run Friday morning, sources confirm to KIRO 7.

He's got no chance.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on February 27, 2019, 08:07:35 PM
Inslee announcement will reportedly happen on Friday:

https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/jay-inslee-2020-presidential-run-sources-confirm-he-ll-announce-on-friday/925874341

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Washington Governor Jay Inslee is planning to announce his 2020 presidential run Friday morning, sources confirm to KIRO 7.

He's got no chance.

Announcing on Friday too where most news stories go to die...


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on February 27, 2019, 08:50:58 PM
Beto opts not to run for Senate, will likely announce Presidential bid in the coming weeks. (https://www.dallasnews.com/news/elections-2020/2019/02/27/sources-beto-orourke-wontchallenge-john-cornyn-senate-paving-way-presidential-bid?fbclid=IwAR3s1U115CRYXvQx6W9fAOwMa95ulnN8QE8lMdy5qCKArAbWI89srbWE8tE)

Ugh.

YES!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: beaver2.0 on February 27, 2019, 11:34:23 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/gov-jay-inslees-2020-presidential-campaign-announcement-expected-this-week/

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Multiple sources in Washington politics said Inslee intends to roll out his campaign by the end of the week, testing his viability as a 2020 Democratic nominee while leaving open the option of seeking a third term as governor if his national candidacy flames out.

Good.  I could honestly get behind Inslee.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on February 28, 2019, 12:08:23 AM
I can't imagine how betrayed Washingtonians must feel. They finally manage to get the trifecta, and this guy goes off on a vanity campaign he has no chance of winning.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: An American Tail: Fubart Goes West on February 28, 2019, 12:24:12 AM
Beto opts not to run for Senate, will likely announce Presidential bid in the coming weeks. (https://www.dallasnews.com/news/elections-2020/2019/02/27/sources-beto-orourke-wontchallenge-john-cornyn-senate-paving-way-presidential-bid?fbclid=IwAR3s1U115CRYXvQx6W9fAOwMa95ulnN8QE8lMdy5qCKArAbWI89srbWE8tE)

Great news!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RI on February 28, 2019, 01:06:31 AM
I can't imagine how betrayed Washingtonians must feel. They finally manage to get the trifecta, and this guy goes off on a vanity campaign he has no chance of winning.

It's not like the Dems are gonna lose the Governorship any time soon.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 28, 2019, 01:24:45 AM
Inslee’s Friday announcement will apparently be in Seattle:

https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/jay-inslee-2020-presidential-run-sources-confirm-he-ll-announce-on-friday/925874341


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on February 28, 2019, 01:26:47 AM
I can't imagine how betrayed Washingtonians must feel. They finally manage to get the trifecta, and this guy goes off on a vanity campaign he has no chance of winning.

It's not like the Dems are gonna lose the Governorship any time soon.
But they could lose the State Senate.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Roll Roons on February 28, 2019, 01:40:00 AM
Won't get anywhere in the primaries, but he's be a great choice for EPA in the next administration. It would show that they're serious about wanting to tackle it.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on February 28, 2019, 02:29:00 AM
I think Yang & Buttigieg make the debates over Inslee. I don’t see him getting more than the 1% thresholdi or the 60,000 donors. I’m starting to think Bullock won’t make it either given how late he’s announcing. It would definitely be something to see gadlfly’s like Yang be in the debate while sitting Governors end up not making it.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Figueira on February 28, 2019, 06:18:02 AM
I can't imagine how betrayed Washingtonians must feel. They finally manage to get the trifecta, and this guy goes off on a vanity campaign he has no chance of winning.

Meh, he'll be out of the presidential race by very early 2020 at the latest.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Skye on February 28, 2019, 07:46:12 AM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RI on February 28, 2019, 09:51:18 AM
More the merrier at this point.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sir Mohamed on February 28, 2019, 09:54:23 AM


LOL, the dude won't go anywhere.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Storr on February 28, 2019, 10:08:02 AM


LOL, the dude won't go anywhere.

Every crop of Presidential nominee candidates needs a billionaire these days. lol


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 28, 2019, 11:06:02 AM
In case there were doubts about which way Inslee was going to go in his announcement:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/28/jay-inslee-2020-1194515

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Washington Gov. Jay Inslee has added a round of experienced Democratic operatives to his political team as he closes in on an announcement of his 2020 plans.

Inslee, who is considering running for president, has hired multiple advisers who worked for Democratic billionaire Tom Steyer, as well as other veterans of statewide Democratic political campaigns. Inslee and Steyer share a longtime focus on climate change, though Steyer has previously announced that he would not run for president in 2020.

Brown says he’ll announce his intentions by the end of March:

https://www.cleveland.com/open/2019/02/whats-sherrod-brown-thinking-about-as-he-decides-whether-to-run-for-president.html

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He said people shouldn’t mistake his “deliberativeness and reflectiveness” on the issue with a “lack of passion for my country.”

Brown said he’s taking longer than other candidates to reach a decision because many of those already in the race have planned to run for president for as long as they’ve been in the U.S. Senate, and some have planned to do it even before that.

Reasons he might not want to run include the the year and a half he would have to campaign around the country, and all the time he’d have to spend away from home.

“It is disruptive,” said Brown. “It is an earthquake to a family. That is the biggest drawback.”

Messam:

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-ne-wayne-messam-presidential-serious-20190227-story.html

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He’s considering running for president in 2020 — but first Wayne Messam wants to know whether he’d have to quit as mayor of Miramar.

One of the state’s most prominent election lawyers is asking on Messam’s behalf about the Florida law that requires elected officials to resign from their current offices when they qualify as candidates for different offices.

But Wednesday’s letter to the Florida Division of Elections is not the only sign of just how serious Messam is about his ambitious plan. He has also spoken recently with activists, potential donors, former athletes and elected officials.

And he spoke with the chairman of the South Carolina Democratic Party, one of the earliest states in the presidential nominating process and it’s the first primary state with a significant black population. In 2016, 61 percent of the state’s Democratic primary voters were black; Messam is African-American.



Here’s the relevant quote, which also says he’s “expected to decide in March”, despite his previously stated self-imposed February deadline:

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REPS FOR MICHAEL BLOOMBERG are looking at 7 World Trade Center and the old NYT building in Times Square as headquarters if he embarks on a 2020 campaign, according to two sources familiar with the matter. Bloomberg's emissaries are already interviewing people to hire if the New York billionaire jumps in. They are looking at leasing approximately 30,000 square feet of office space to start, according to the sources. Bloomberg is expected to decide in March if he will enter the race. A spokesman for Bloomberg declined to comment.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 28, 2019, 11:11:09 AM
Btw, Inslee's announcement comes days after we got a poll that had him as literally the only choice among 19 names listed that got 0% of the vote in a Democratic primary matchup:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=314587.0

:P


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 28, 2019, 05:54:18 PM
Hickenlooper reportedly now looking at doing an announcement next week:

https://coloradosun.com/2019/02/28/john-hickenlooper-presidential-bid-announcement/

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His campaign is looking at a possible event in Denver next week, several close allies told The Colorado Sun. A campaign spokeswoman said Hickenlooper has not yet made a final decision about whether to run.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Obama-Biden Democrat on February 28, 2019, 06:04:45 PM
I feel bad for Eric Swalwell, he seems like a nice guy and is a progressive FF, but his 2020 campaign will be such a dud. He is just some random congressman from CA. His Facebook live event had less than 30 views. He will go down as a Jim Gilmore type figure.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Not Me, Us on February 28, 2019, 06:04:46 PM
Hickenlooper reportedly now looking at doing an announcement next week:

https://coloradosun.com/2019/02/28/john-hickenlooper-presidential-bid-announcement/

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His campaign is looking at a possible event in Denver next week, several close allies told The Colorado Sun. A campaign spokeswoman said Hickenlooper has not yet made a final decision about whether to run.


I knew this primary would be a clown car, but my god these people are delusional.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on February 28, 2019, 06:26:07 PM
The field should only be Sanders, Warren, Harris, Gillibrand, Biden, and Klobuchar. The rest need to sit down.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Gass3268 on February 28, 2019, 06:38:07 PM
The field should only be Sanders, Warren, Harris, Gillibrand, Biden, and Klobuchar. The rest need to sit down.

To include Gillibrand over Booker does not make sense to me.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ○∙◄☻Ątπ[╪AV┼cVę└ on February 28, 2019, 06:44:36 PM
I feel bad for Eric Swalwell, he seems like a nice guy and is a progressive FF, but his 2020 campaign will be such a dud. He is just some random congressman from CA. His Facebook live event had less than 30 views. He will go down as a Jim Gilmore type figure.

It's kind of hilarious that the 3 representatives from Alameda county will consist of a candidate and co-chair for 2 other campaigns.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 28, 2019, 06:46:38 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/28/politics/beto-orourke-el-paso-waits-2020-president-decision/index.html

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O'Rourke aides have spoken with Democratic operatives in recent weeks about a presidential campaign. This week those conversations have begun shifting to a more formal discussion of staff positions with the eventual campaign, a person familiar with the talks said, though no job offers have been made.

Another change happened nine days ago: O'Rourke took the "for Texas" out of his digital presence. Emails sent from his team that used to come from BetoForTexas.com are now coming from BetoORourke.com. And while previously BetoORourke.com had redirected to his website from last year's Senate campaign, it's now the opposite.

The shift was a small but telling sign as the former Texas congressman rules out another US Senate run and is on the verge of announcing his plans.
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[O'Rourke's sister] said O'Rourke had discussed the pros and cons of a presidential campaign in depth with his family several weeks ago, but that -- as of Thursday morning -- he had not yet told them what he planned to do.
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"I want to make the announcement to everyone at the same time. I want to do it the right way," a smiling O'Rourke told CNN on Wednesday night before speaking at a Moms Demand Action event in El Paso.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on February 28, 2019, 07:46:11 PM
The field should only be Sanders, Warren, Harris, Gillibrand, Biden, and Klobuchar. The rest need to sit down.

What about Booker and O'Rourke?



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Roll Roons on February 28, 2019, 08:01:57 PM
Grandpa Joe:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/432131-exclusive-inside-joe-bidens-campaign-in-waiting?fbclid=IwAR02W49xC5o_XijAYLURlSsXwO21m8Hp-yPAi-N_yaEhM96Gcvw1V0o_t9g


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Tender Branson on February 28, 2019, 11:57:43 PM
Bullock is in IA for a 6th time and hires a campaign staffer there:

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/iowa/articles/2019-02-28/bullock-hires-iowa-staffer-plans-sixth-trip-to-state

Still, no decision until May ...


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on March 01, 2019, 12:04:50 AM
The field should only be Sanders, Warren, Harris, Gillibrand, Biden, and Klobuchar. The rest need to sit down.
Joe Biden is a Republican. He needs to sit down.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: TarHeelDem on March 01, 2019, 12:51:37 AM
The field should only be Sanders, Warren, Harris, Gillibrand, Biden, and Klobuchar. The rest need to sit down.
Joe Biden is a Republican. He needs to sit down.

Wish I was this edgy, not gonna lie


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 01, 2019, 01:10:43 AM
Sounds like Brown might declare his intentions by mid-March after all:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/28/us/politics/2020-democrats-announcements.html

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Mr. Inslee is poised to announce a bid as early as Friday, and former Gov. John Hickenlooper of Colorado is expected to enter the race as soon as next week. Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio is wrapping up his tour of early primary states, leaving him a week or two away from making a decision, say those who have spoken to him.

On Biden…ftr, I don’t think the “My family wants me to run” line from Biden means that he’s necessarily going to run.  That’s just Biden bloviating in the way that he always does.  I still think it’s a close call as to whether he pulls the trigger.  This story takes a look at his dithering:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/henrygomez/joe-biden-2020-election-speeches-campaign

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For that conversation, Biden was supposed to be the interviewer. Author Jon Meacham had come to promote his book — a Biden favorite. But the two spent nearly 90 minutes in a sort of tandem history lecture, with Meacham ultimately unable to resist asking Biden about 2020. Biden’s response betrayed a self-awareness that times have changed, that the political moment may have passed him by. He told Meacham he wouldn’t want to embark on a “fool’s errand.” As evidenced by the deliberations over his “appeal,” Biden, who leads Democrats in early polls, is skeptical of how far he can get with the electability argument that provides a rationale to run.

“Some people say he may be afraid of losing,” Ted Strickland, the Democratic former governor of Ohio and a Biden friend, told BuzzFeed News. “That’s always a possibility, I guess.”
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And, so far, Biden has shown no appetite for anything but a soft launch. Behind the scenes, there are reports that he’s trying to staff up in the early-voting states, but party leaders there haven’t heard a whole lot from him. As it stands, Biden’s first political activity of 2019 is set for March 16, smack dab in his comfort zone: a dinner for home-state Democrats in Delaware.

In other Biden news, he’s aiming to connect with youngs:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/27/joe-biden-is-getting-advice-from-social-media-executives-on-how-best-to-appeal-to-young-voters.html

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Former Vice President Joe Biden has been receiving regular briefings from executives at digital and social media companies in order to learn strategies for appealing to young voters if he were to run for president again.

Biden has gotten advice from an executive at Twitter, according to a person with direct knowledge of the matter who would not disclose the executive’s name.
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The former vice president has also talked with Athan Stephanopoulos, president of NowThis News, an online outlet that specializes in creating and distributing viral short-form videos — and helped raise the national profile of potential 2020 Democratic candidate Beto O’Rourke.

Lengthy new profile of Hickenlooper here:

https://www.businessinsider.com/john-hickenlooper-brewery-owner-governor-possible-2020-democratic-contender-2019-2


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sestak on March 01, 2019, 01:38:45 AM
Come on sherrod!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: TheSaint250 on March 01, 2019, 07:11:30 AM
Jay Inslee is in:



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 01, 2019, 11:15:06 AM
Biden confirmed a few days ago that any campaign launch from him wouldn’t happen until the second quarter of this year, meaning April:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/26/us/politics/biden-2020-family.html

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He said he was in “the final stages” of deciding. And in a brief interview after the event, Mr. Biden said that, if he ran, he would begin his campaign in the second quarter of this year, which could mean as early as April.

Apparently when Bennet was in Iowa last week, he said that he was “leaning toward” running:

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2019/02/22/michael-bennet-colorado-education-experience-iowa-caucuses-2020-election-president-hickenlooper-dem/2919439002/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RussFeingoldWasRobbed on March 01, 2019, 02:52:14 PM
Biden confirmed a few days ago that any campaign launch from him wouldn’t happen until the second quarter of this year, meaning April:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/26/us/politics/biden-2020-family.html

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He said he was in “the final stages” of deciding. And in a brief interview after the event, Mr. Biden said that, if he ran, he would begin his campaign in the second quarter of this year, which could mean as early as April.

Apparently when Bennet was in Iowa last week, he said that he was “leaning toward” running:

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2019/02/22/michael-bennet-colorado-education-experience-iowa-caucuses-2020-election-president-hickenlooper-dem/2919439002/

Oh come on Bennet!! I love the variety of choices but some of these guys have no chance!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 01, 2019, 03:00:07 PM
Hickenlooper reportedly planning to announce on March 7th:

https://gazette.com/news/hickenlooper-set-to-announce-presidential-decision-march-in-denver/article_6b6e7c7e-ed7b-5a8a-99eb-0985bad6bb23.html

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Former Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper will announce whether he's running for president on March 7 in Denver's Civic Center Park, Democrats briefed on his plans tell Colorado Politics.

Democratic sources say the one-time geologist-turned-brew pub operator plans to feature home-grown musicians at an event set to take place between Denver's City & County Building, where Hickenlooper served two terms as mayor, and the Colorado Capitol, where as governor he helped steer the state from the depths of a recession to one of the top economies in the country.

A spokeswoman for Hickenlooper's federal political committee, Giddy Up PAC, told Colorado Politics Friday that the former governor hasn't "officially made a decision yet."
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But Democrats with knowledge of Hickenlooper's plans tell Colorado Politics the former governor has made up his mind and has informed them in recent days that he will launch his presidential campaign.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: The Free North on March 01, 2019, 03:55:20 PM
Too
Many
People


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Calthrina950 on March 01, 2019, 04:45:24 PM
Why are so many Democrats running? Such a fractured field may only end up helping Trump.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Alabama_Indy10 on March 01, 2019, 04:46:57 PM
Hickenlooper reportedly planning to announce on March 7th:

https://gazette.com/news/hickenlooper-set-to-announce-presidential-decision-march-in-denver/article_6b6e7c7e-ed7b-5a8a-99eb-0985bad6bb23.html

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Former Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper will announce whether he's running for president on March 7 in Denver's Civic Center Park, Democrats briefed on his plans tell Colorado Politics.

Democratic sources say the one-time geologist-turned-brew pub operator plans to feature home-grown musicians at an event set to take place between Denver's City & County Building, where Hickenlooper served two terms as mayor, and the Colorado Capitol, where as governor he helped steer the state from the depths of a recession to one of the top economies in the country.

A spokeswoman for Hickenlooper's federal political committee, Giddy Up PAC, told Colorado Politics Friday that the former governor hasn't "officially made a decision yet."
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But Democrats with knowledge of Hickenlooper's plans tell Colorado Politics the former governor has made up his mind and has informed them in recent days that he will launch his presidential campaign.


Giddy Up PAC LOL


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: OneJ on March 01, 2019, 04:48:07 PM
Why are so many Democrats running? Such a fractured field may only end up helping Trump.

I mean the 2016 Republican primary was quite fractured as well. It didn’t seem to hurt Trump in the slightest.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Smith on March 01, 2019, 05:07:16 PM
Why are so many Democrats running? Such a fractured field may only end up helping Trump.

I mean the 2016 Republican primary was quite fractured as well. It didn’t seem to hurt Trump in the slightest.

President Ford's second term agrees with this too!

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Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 01, 2019, 07:01:48 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/01/bloomberg-aides-interview-staffers-in-nh-iowa-as-billionaire-considers-2020-run.html

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Former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg's closest advisors have been interviewing potential aides in early caucus and primary states as the billionaire considers a 2020 run for president, CNBC has learned.

Kevin Sheekey, one of Bloomberg's closest confidants, has been meeting with prospective staff members in Iowa and New Hampshire, according to sources with direct knowledge of the matter. Iowa and New Hampshire serve as the first two states in the presidential primaries while also acting as an early litmus test for those looking to capture the nomination. Both of the early contests are expected to take place in February 2020.

"Bloomberg has the money and smart people around him, but they're preparing to build a larger campaign apparatus to compete against the other 2020 candidates if he decides to run," a person familiar with the plans told CNBC on the condition of anonymity.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: I Can Now Die Happy on March 01, 2019, 07:23:51 PM
Why are so many Democrats running? Such a fractured field may only end up helping Trump.

I mean the 2016 Republican primary was quite fractured as well. It didn’t seem to hurt Trump in the slightest.

It actually did but he won in spite of it. If by magic you remove all the intraparty disputes in the 2016 Republican Primaries, Trump has a real shot at winning New Hampshire and Minnesota as well at the very least. There was a small percentage of the electorate who voted for McMullin, Johnson, and Hillary who might very well have voted for Trump were it not for the grudges they hadn't let go of when he beat their favored GOP candidate.

There is a possibility that we see that same phenomenon cost the Democrats a victory in 2020. For instance, a small percentage of the electorate may opt to vote for non-major party centrist candidates or even Trump himself if someone like Bernie wins. You can also have the opposite scenario where a small percentage of the electorate may opt to vote for the Green Party or other non-major party progressive candidates if someone like Biden wins. Even if it's someone who isn't quite a centrist like Kamala or Beto, the dynamics of the campaign process could lead to them being too tainted by what they had to do to beat Bernie. There were Bernie supporters who stayed home rather than vote for Hillary in 2016 and while those same people are probably less likely to do the same in 2020 if the candidate isn't Bernie, don't discount the possibility of that happening again. Don't also discount the possibility of the #NeverBernie crowd refusing to united behind him even if he is their best chance at unseating Trump.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Calthrina950 on March 01, 2019, 07:48:26 PM
Why are so many Democrats running? Such a fractured field may only end up helping Trump.

I mean the 2016 Republican primary was quite fractured as well. It didn’t seem to hurt Trump in the slightest.

It actually did but he won in spite of it. If by magic you remove all the intraparty disputes in the 2016 Republican Primaries, Trump has a real shot at winning New Hampshire and Minnesota as well at the very least. There was a small percentage of the electorate who voted for McMullin, Johnson, and Hillary who might very well have voted for Trump were it not for the grudges they hadn't let go of when he beat their favored GOP candidate.

There is a possibility that we see that same phenomenon cost the Democrats a victory in 2020. For instance, a small percentage of the electorate may opt to vote for non-major party centrist candidates or even Trump himself if someone like Bernie wins. You can also have the opposite scenario where a small percentage of the electorate may opt to vote for the Green Party or other non-major party progressive candidates if someone like Biden wins. Even if it's someone who isn't quite a centrist like Kamala or Beto, the dynamics of the campaign process could lead to them being too tainted by what they had to do to beat Bernie. There were Bernie supporters who stayed home rather than vote for Hillary in 2016 and while those same people are probably less likely to do the same in 2020 if the candidate isn't Bernie, don't discount the possibility of that happening again. Don't also discount the possibility of the #NeverBernie crowd refusing to united behind him even if he is their best chance at unseating Trump.

This is a good analysis.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 02, 2019, 01:32:03 AM
Swalwell will be back in Iowa on Sunday:

https://wcfcourier.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/eric-swalwell-is-returning-to-waterloo/article_b217e991-3864-5962-a5a0-cc0d0763a2f1.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Canis on March 02, 2019, 11:23:27 AM
Why are so many Democrats running? Such a fractured field may only end up helping Trump.


I mean the 2016 Republican primary was quite fractured as well. It didn’t seem to hurt Trump in the slightest.

President Ford's second term agrees with this too!

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He was an incumbent president challenged in the primary this new situation has nothing to do with that


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Harlow on March 02, 2019, 11:26:13 AM
Why are so many Democrats running? Such a fractured field may only end up helping Trump.


I mean the 2016 Republican primary was quite fractured as well. It didn’t seem to hurt Trump in the slightest.

President Ford's second term agrees with this too!

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He was an incumbent president challenged in the primary this new situation has nothing to do with that

I think they're referencing the fact that Carter emerged from a very crowded Dem field and that didn't hinder his chances in the general.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on March 02, 2019, 01:21:30 PM
Half of the Z listers are running for book deals & cable gigs I know Swalwell just loves the cameras. Running for President can be pretty lucrative you deliver a lot of speeches and get around the news along with the free travel funded by donations.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Calthrina950 on March 02, 2019, 04:40:48 PM
Why are so many Democrats running? Such a fractured field may only end up helping Trump.


I mean the 2016 Republican primary was quite fractured as well. It didn’t seem to hurt Trump in the slightest.

President Ford's second term agrees with this too!

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He was an incumbent president challenged in the primary this new situation has nothing to do with that

I think they're referencing the fact that Carter emerged from a very crowded Dem field and that didn't hinder his chances in the general.

It might not have hurt Carter's chances, but by nominating Carter the process handed the Democrats a much weaker nominee than they might have had otherwise - not to mention a trainwreck of a presidency that was bad for the country and even worse for the party. Somethong similar happened to the Republicans in 2016.

I don't think a similar result is out if the question here. The historical record, brief that it is, suggests that competitive primaries produce stronger presidents than coronations, so long as they aren't clown cars. This might be worth more discussion in another thread.

I think that if this were a competitive primary between Harris, Booker, Warren, and Klobuchar, Democrats would be in better shape. Sanders and Biden are too old, while Gillibrand has no traction. And that is to say nothing of Gabbard, or Castro, or Buttigieg, or Delaney, or Inslee, or Hickenlooper, etc.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: SnowLabrador on March 02, 2019, 04:52:30 PM
Ugh, does Hickenlooper really need to do this? He's wasting his time.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 02, 2019, 06:13:28 PM
Brown:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/henrygomez/sherrod-brown-worker-2020-campaign

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“There’s no hold-up,” said Brown, who set a March deadline for deciding. “There’s just sort of crossing every ‘t’ and dotting every ‘i’ and deciding, are we willing to do all this in this race?”
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Brown confirmed to BuzzFeed News that he has been recruiting staff nationally and in these early states. He wouldn’t disclose names of prospective hires but said he’s “totally confident” he’d be able to activate a professional operation on day one, between his existing team of longtime loyalists and new people.

“We knew that if we decided yes that we’d have to have people in place or about to be in place from organizing to fundraising to field to communications,” he said.

Moulton:

https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2019/03/01/seth-moulton-2020/

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On MSNBC’s Morning Joe, when asked if he was considering running in 2020, Moulton replied, “I am. I’m seriously looking at it.” He went on to hit some of the same points he’s always mentioned to tout his credentials, such as his military service, as well as his ability to reach residents of middle America, pointing to his experience campaigning for Conor Lamb in Pennsylvania and Amy McGrath in Kentucky.
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Moulton indicated he’d base his decision on “whether this is the best way I can serve the country in 2020,” acknowledging the “amazing candidates” who have already announced (including fellow Massachusetts resident Elizabeth Warren), and saying he was asking himself, “Can I contribute to this debate?”

Abrams said a few days ago that she’s thinking of running for Senate:

https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/stacey-abrams-i-am-considering-running-for-senate-1448082499979

She gets included on some of the lists of “people thinking about running for president”, but (unless I missed a quote somewhere) so far she hasn’t singled out a run for president as something that she's actively considering in the way that a Brown or a Swalwell has.  She’s just said that she’s open to all options.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: scutosaurus on March 02, 2019, 09:53:15 PM
Great profile on Bennet from the Atlantic:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/senator-michael-bennet-weighing-run-president/583993/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/senator-michael-bennet-weighing-run-president/583993/)

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POLK CITY, Iowa—Sitting under a framed ticket from an old Obama town-hall meeting, down in the basement of a farmhouse surrounded by snowy fields of corn and soybeans, I tell Michael Bennet that an Iowa Democrat who’d come to hear him speak compared him to pea soup. Good pea soup, hearty. But still pea soup, in a 2020 primary field that has sizzling fajitas and cake on the table.

...

Bennet is on edge. He has been warning of the destruction of democracy for years. He thinks he’s more Cassandra than the boy who cried wolf, as he points out when I remind him that in October 2017, he warned that Trump’s decision to cancel the protections for Dreamers needed to be fixed immediately. It hasn’t been. “These issues are tearing at the heart of who we are,” he says.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Calthrina950 on March 02, 2019, 10:07:34 PM
Great profile on Bennet from the Atlantic:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/senator-michael-bennet-weighing-run-president/583993/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/senator-michael-bennet-weighing-run-president/583993/)

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POLK CITY, Iowa—Sitting under a framed ticket from an old Obama town-hall meeting, down in the basement of a farmhouse surrounded by snowy fields of corn and soybeans, I tell Michael Bennet that an Iowa Democrat who’d come to hear him speak compared him to pea soup. Good pea soup, hearty. But still pea soup, in a 2020 primary field that has sizzling fajitas and cake on the table.

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Bennet is on edge. He has been warning of the destruction of democracy for years. He thinks he’s more Cassandra than the boy who cried wolf, as he points out when I remind him that in October 2017, he warned that Trump’s decision to cancel the protections for Dreamers needed to be fixed immediately. It hasn’t been. “These issues are tearing at the heart of who we are,” he says.

If Bennet were somehow to obtain the Democratic nomination, I wouldn't have a problem voting for him. He, along with Hickenlooper, Biden, Bullock, Klobuchar, and Brown, would all receive my vote over Trump. However, none of the ones that I listed (except for Biden), has any shot at getting the nomination.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: I Can Now Die Happy on March 02, 2019, 10:28:02 PM
Great profile on Bennet from the Atlantic:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/senator-michael-bennet-weighing-run-president/583993/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/senator-michael-bennet-weighing-run-president/583993/)

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POLK CITY, Iowa—Sitting under a framed ticket from an old Obama town-hall meeting, down in the basement of a farmhouse surrounded by snowy fields of corn and soybeans, I tell Michael Bennet that an Iowa Democrat who’d come to hear him speak compared him to pea soup. Good pea soup, hearty. But still pea soup, in a 2020 primary field that has sizzling fajitas and cake on the table.

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Bennet is on edge. He has been warning of the destruction of democracy for years. He thinks he’s more Cassandra than the boy who cried wolf, as he points out when I remind him that in October 2017, he warned that Trump’s decision to cancel the protections for Dreamers needed to be fixed immediately. It hasn’t been. “These issues are tearing at the heart of who we are,” he says.

If Bennet were somehow to obtain the Democratic nomination, I wouldn't have a problem voting for him. He, along with Hickenlooper, Biden, Bullock, Klobuchar, and Brown, would all receive my vote over Trump. However, none of the ones that I listed (except for Biden), has any shot at getting the nomination.

Would you vote for Trump over Bernie? Or Trump over a progressive candidate who you think needs to be stopped, or because you don't want a Democratic President with a Democratic congress?



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on March 03, 2019, 12:18:58 AM
Swallwell has such a weird face

Also my phone autocorrects swalwell to “sewage elk” and that’s pretty accurate.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: junior chįmp on March 03, 2019, 12:47:52 AM
Clown Biden wants to run against the left and populism:



Lawd Jesus help us if this clown gets the nomination. The polarization will never end


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on March 03, 2019, 01:23:44 AM
Clown Biden wants to run against the left and populism:



Lawd Jesus help us if this clown gets the nomination. The polarization will never end
As anti-Bernie as I am I will order a Feel the Bern 2020 t-shirt and knock doors for him if Biden is the alternative. That’s how awful he would be.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Calthrina950 on March 03, 2019, 01:42:04 AM
Great profile on Bennet from the Atlantic:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/senator-michael-bennet-weighing-run-president/583993/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/senator-michael-bennet-weighing-run-president/583993/)

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POLK CITY, Iowa—Sitting under a framed ticket from an old Obama town-hall meeting, down in the basement of a farmhouse surrounded by snowy fields of corn and soybeans, I tell Michael Bennet that an Iowa Democrat who’d come to hear him speak compared him to pea soup. Good pea soup, hearty. But still pea soup, in a 2020 primary field that has sizzling fajitas and cake on the table.

...

Bennet is on edge. He has been warning of the destruction of democracy for years. He thinks he’s more Cassandra than the boy who cried wolf, as he points out when I remind him that in October 2017, he warned that Trump’s decision to cancel the protections for Dreamers needed to be fixed immediately. It hasn’t been. “These issues are tearing at the heart of who we are,” he says.

If Bennet were somehow to obtain the Democratic nomination, I wouldn't have a problem voting for him. He, along with Hickenlooper, Biden, Bullock, Klobuchar, and Brown, would all receive my vote over Trump. However, none of the ones that I listed (except for Biden), has any shot at getting the nomination.

Would you vote for Trump over Bernie? Or Trump over a progressive candidate who you think needs to be stopped, or because you don't want a Democratic President with a Democratic congress?



I would have voted for Sanders back in 2016, if he had won the nomination then. But in 2020, I would probably go third-party. I will definitely vote third-party if Warren, Harris, Booker, or Gillibrand obtain the nomination. I also forgot to mention Buttigieg, Gabbard, and Delaney, all of whom I would vote for if they somehow became the nominee (which they won't). I would go third-party with Castro, though.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 03, 2019, 09:07:25 AM
Cuomo says he'll defer to Biden but hasn't completely ruled out a run if Biden doesn't. As usual, Cuomo's virulently contemptuous of the professional left. (https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/1102205025277956096)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 03, 2019, 10:00:20 AM
Cuomo says he'll defer to Biden but hasn't completely ruled out a run if Biden doesn't. As usual, Cuomo's virulently contemptuous of the professional left. (https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/1102205025277956096)

To be clear, this interview is from January, but is only being reported on now:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/andrew-cuomo-thinks-hes-best-democrat-beat-trump/583642/

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Here’s how Andrew Cuomo ends our first interview at the beginning of January, sitting in a chair in his office, after eating cookie No. 4 from the tray his staff prepared. I put a simple question to him: “Would you like to be president?” He dodges it over and over by talking about how much he wants to do his job as governor well. Finally he says, Well, Joe Biden is running anyway.

A lot of people think Biden is going to run, I acknowledge, and the former vice president certainly seems to be moving in that direction. But Biden looked like he was about to run in 2015 too, only to end speculation at the last minute. So: What if he doesn’t?

“Call me back,” Cuomo says, and puts his hand out immediately to shake, ending a conversation that lasted through a bathroom break and a theatrical phone call with his daughter, in which he begged her not to try cooking him dinner because she’d make too much of a mess of the pots.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on March 03, 2019, 10:13:39 AM
Clown Biden wants to run against the left and populism:



Lawd Jesus help us if this clown gets the nomination. The polarization will never end

So he’ll be running against policy proposals that are extremely popular with the party base and have been adopted by a good chunk of the field? Good luck with that dude. I hope Bernie eats him alive.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 03, 2019, 12:42:33 PM
Amash asked if he'd run for the Libertarian nomination for president in 2020, and says "I would never rule anything out":

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/03/justin-amash-libertarian-2020-1200165

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GOP Rep. Justin Amash on Sunday did not rule out a run for the White House in 2020 as a libertarian, but said it was "not on his radar" currently.

"I would never rule anything out," Amash (R-Mich.) said on CNN's "State of the Union."

"That's not on my radar right now, but I think that it is important that we have someone in there who is presenting a vision for America that is different from what these two parties are presenting," he said. Amash is the chairman of the House Liberty Caucus, which represents libertarian-minded lawmakers.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: S019 on March 03, 2019, 02:25:07 PM
Why do Democrats hate Joe Biden, he is a mich stronger candidate than O’Rourke, Sanders, or Harris.

Also if Justin Amash, really wants to run as a Libertarian, he would hand the election to the Democrats. McConnell should ask him to run against Peters, it seems like he has a much better chance of winning that race


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Jon Tester on March 03, 2019, 02:48:15 PM
Democrats (and quite a few independants) DO love Joe Biden. Lots of Ds on this sub and Bernie bots on other social media platforms seem to dislike him though, making it seem as though he is unpopular.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/422084-biden-tops-2020-dems-for-favorability-rating-in-new-poll


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: LabourJersey on March 03, 2019, 02:58:02 PM
Democrats (and quite a few independants) DO love Joe Biden. Lots of Ds on this sub and Bernie bots on other social media platforms seem to dislike him though, making it seem as though he is unpopular.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/422084-biden-tops-2020-dems-for-favorability-rating-in-new-poll

They like Joe Biden as he is now, the former VP to a President they strongly like and admire.

If/when he runs for President as championing the pre-2016 status quo, and inevitably has multiple gaffes, they aren't gonna like him as much. He may not implode but his numbers are gonna come down to Earth pretty fast.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: OneJ on March 03, 2019, 03:13:37 PM
Democrats (and quite a few independants) DO love Joe Biden. Lots of Ds on this sub and Bernie bots on other social media platforms seem to dislike him though, making it seem as though he is unpopular.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/422084-biden-tops-2020-dems-for-favorability-rating-in-new-poll

They like Joe Biden as he is now, the former VP to a President they strongly like and admire.

If/when he runs for President as championing the pre-2016 status quo, and inevitably has multiple gaffes, they aren't gonna like him as much. He may not implode but his numbers are gonna come down to Earth pretty fast.

Additionally, he's out of step with the Democratic Party on multiple issues that the party is undeniably starting to moving left on (primarily economic issues). If Biden ends up winning the nomination and then wins the presidency, he'll rightfully face a lot of scrutiny from the left for not being progressive enough, if at all.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Jon Tester on March 03, 2019, 05:42:47 PM
Democrats (and quite a few independants) DO love Joe Biden. Lots of Ds on this sub and Bernie bots on other social media platforms seem to dislike him though, making it seem as though he is unpopular.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/422084-biden-tops-2020-dems-for-favorability-rating-in-new-poll

They like Joe Biden as he is now, the former VP to a President they strongly like and admire.

If/when he runs for President as championing the pre-2016 status quo, and inevitably has multiple gaffes, they aren't gonna like him as much. He may not implode but his numbers are gonna come down to Earth pretty fast.

Additionally, he's out of step with the Democratic Party on multiple issues that the party is undeniably starting to moving left on (primarily economic issues). If Biden ends up winning the nomination and then wins the presidency, he'll rightfully face a lot of scrutiny from the left for not being progressive enough, if at all.

To be fair, we don't really know his specific political positions given that he hasn't run in 10 years.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: LabourJersey on March 03, 2019, 06:22:28 PM
Democrats (and quite a few independants) DO love Joe Biden. Lots of Ds on this sub and Bernie bots on other social media platforms seem to dislike him though, making it seem as though he is unpopular.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/422084-biden-tops-2020-dems-for-favorability-rating-in-new-poll

They like Joe Biden as he is now, the former VP to a President they strongly like and admire.

If/when he runs for President as championing the pre-2016 status quo, and inevitably has multiple gaffes, they aren't gonna like him as much. He may not implode but his numbers are gonna come down to Earth pretty fast.

Additionally, he's out of step with the Democratic Party on multiple issues that the party is undeniably starting to moving left on (primarily economic issues). If Biden ends up winning the nomination and then wins the presidency, he'll rightfully face a lot of scrutiny from the left for not being progressive enough, if at all.

To be fair, we don't really know his specific political positions given that he hasn't run in 10 years.

What do you mean? He makes his political positions really clear in interviews and events all the time--he's an establishment Democrat and makes that clear frequently.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: SteveRogers on March 03, 2019, 06:26:28 PM
Democrats (and quite a few independants) DO love Joe Biden. Lots of Ds on this sub and Bernie bots on other social media platforms seem to dislike him though, making it seem as though he is unpopular.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/422084-biden-tops-2020-dems-for-favorability-rating-in-new-poll

They like Joe Biden as he is now, the former VP to a President they strongly like and admire.

If/when he runs for President as championing the pre-2016 status quo, and inevitably has multiple gaffes, they aren't gonna like him as much. He may not implode but his numbers are gonna come down to Earth pretty fast.

Additionally, he's out of step with the Democratic Party on multiple issues that the party is undeniably starting to moving left on (primarily economic issues). If Biden ends up winning the nomination and then wins the presidency, he'll rightfully face a lot of scrutiny from the left for not being progressive enough, if at all.

To be fair, we don't really know his specific political positions given that he hasn't run in 10 years.

What do you mean? He makes his political positions really clear in interviews and events all the time--he's an establishment Democrat and makes that clear frequently.
Can you clarify which of Biden’s policy positions you are referring to specifically?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 03, 2019, 11:17:34 PM
Beto opts not to run for Senate, will likely announce Presidential bid in the coming weeks. (https://www.dallasnews.com/news/elections-2020/2019/02/27/sources-beto-orourke-wontchallenge-john-cornyn-senate-paving-way-presidential-bid?fbclid=IwAR3s1U115CRYXvQx6W9fAOwMa95ulnN8QE8lMdy5qCKArAbWI89srbWE8tE)

Here's the relevant quote:

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Beto O'Rourke has decided not to run for Senate next year against Republican incumbent John Cornyn and likely will announce a campaign for president soon, people close to the former El Paso congressman told The Dallas Morning News Wednesday.

Numerous people close to O'Rourke said they expect him to announce his presidential campaign within weeks. For his own part, O'Rourke on Wednesday wouldn't reveal his future political plans except to say he has made up his mind.

"Amy and I have made a decision about how we can best serve our country," he said in an exclusive statement to The Dallas Morning News. "We are excited to share it with everyone soon."


This was four days ago now, and I'd say it's actually kind of unusual that we haven't heard any followup news about O'Rourke planning his announcement.  By which I mean, presidential candidates don't often publicly admit that they've made a decision until they have the public rollout planned, and details of said launch are leaked to the press.  In most cases, for that matter, they don't admit that their decision has been made until the day they tell the world what that decision is (though again, details of the rollout plan often leak well before that).

This doesn't mean that I've grown skeptical that O'Rourke is going to run.  I'm assuming he is running, or else he already would have told us he wasn't.  But the fact that he made a public statement saying that he's come to his decision while still dithering on when/where to make that announcement seems to be a sign that he's not doing things the normal way.  It reminds me a little of Gabbard's weird rollout, except she actually said what her decision was before the rollout was ready.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: TheSaint250 on March 04, 2019, 06:45:12 AM
Hickenlooper is in:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-hickenlooper-2020-former-colorado-governor-announces-run-for-president/

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Former Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper has tossed his hat into the Democratic presidential ring. He announced his 2020 candidacy early Monday with a campaign video that hits the highlights of his career as a two-term governor and two-term Denver mayor. He addresses recession, droughts and floods, and the mass shooting in Aurora in 2012.

Hickenlooper just finished his second term in the statehouse. He was a popular, pro-business governor. He left Colorado with a strong economy and his tenure was marked by an emphasis on consensus-building.

It's that record that he's touting in the campaign video. "I'm running for president because we need dreamers in Washington but we also need to get things done," Hickenlooper says in the video. "I've proven again and again I can bring people together to produce the progressive change Washington has failed to deliver."

As governor, Hickenlooper also signed an expansion of Medicaid in 2013. He has not expressed support for a single-payer health system.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: 136or142 on March 04, 2019, 08:54:24 AM
Democrats (and quite a few independants) DO love Joe Biden. Lots of Ds on this sub and Bernie bots on other social media platforms seem to dislike him though, making it seem as though he is unpopular.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/422084-biden-tops-2020-dems-for-favorability-rating-in-new-poll

They like Joe Biden as he is now, the former VP to a President they strongly like and admire.

If/when he runs for President as championing the pre-2016 status quo, and inevitably has multiple gaffes, they aren't gonna like him as much. He may not implode but his numbers are gonna come down to Earth pretty fast.

This was the same thing when Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was retired from politics from 2012-2015.

Also, Eric Holder has announced he isn't running for President.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: morgieb on March 04, 2019, 09:19:20 AM
What do people think of the odds of the Democrats still considering getting in? It sounds like Beto's all but certain to do so, Bullock looks very likely (but could be squeezed out?), Biden is a likely yes, Swalwell and McAuliffe sound somewhat likely to take the plunge, Brown looks more likely than not, Bloomberg's about 50/50, Bennet and de Blasio possibles but probably less than 50/50 at this point and the rest probably won't take the plunge.

Are my theories correct?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Tender Branson on March 04, 2019, 09:21:46 AM
It should be noted that out of 14 major declared candidates so far (incl. Yang and Marianne), only 6 are women.

And of the 15 who are mentioned by the media to weigh a candidacy, 14 are men ...


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 04, 2019, 09:48:09 AM
Holder says he won't run:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/04/politics/eric-holder-not-running-2020/index.html

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"Though I will not run for president in 2020, I will continue to fight for the future of our country through the National Democratic Redistricting Committee and its affiliates," Holder, who served under President Barack Obama, wrote in a Washington Post op-ed. He did not provide a reason for his decision.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Crackhead Mike Lindell on March 04, 2019, 10:08:15 AM
I have a feeling Swalwell is waiting for something to do with the Russia investigation -whether it's the Mueller report or something else - before he announces. He's all-but-certain to, made all the preparations, but he's yet to pull the trigger. Every time he's on the news, and boy does he love the cameras, it stems from his spots on the Judiciary and Intelligence committees. Maybe he's waiting for it to ramp up some more. Maybe he wants to be the 'investigate (and impeach) Trump' guy. Maybe he sees that as his lane.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on March 04, 2019, 10:46:36 AM
Holder says he won't run:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/04/politics/eric-holder-not-running-2020/index.html

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"Though I will not run for president in 2020, I will continue to fight for the future of our country through the National Democratic Redistricting Committee and its affiliates," Holder, who served under President Barack Obama, wrote in a Washington Post op-ed. He did not provide a reason for his decision.
That sucks, I was hoping he' d run and have the (many) Obama admin skeletons dragged out of the closet by his opportunistic rivals. But then again, the worst Obama era scandal took place when Loretta Lynch met Bill on the tarmac to begin plotting the coup.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 04, 2019, 11:16:07 AM
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/04/joe-biden-2020-1200671

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A source close to McAuliffe confirmed that “Terry is watching Biden and feels that they appeal to a similar set of voters, but Biden’s decision will not be determinative of Terry’s.”

Similarly, a source familiar with Bloomberg’s decision-making process said of Biden that “he’s a factor. He’s not the factor.” As a self-made billionaire who’s ready to spend as much as $500 million in the 2020 cycle, Bloomberg is already polling and conducting focus groups.

Bloomberg had planned to announce his intentions last month and then postponed it to this month, leading to speculation that Biden’s presence was causing a delay — a position denied by Bloomberg aides. They say that, contrary to conventional wisdom in progressive circles, there’s a relatively broad base of moderate Democratic voters in the primary who won’t vote against a candidate simply for being a white male.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RaphaelDLG on March 04, 2019, 11:25:17 AM
It should be noted that out of 14 major declared candidates so far (incl. Yang and Marianne), only 6 are women.

And of the 15 who are mentioned by the media to weigh a candidacy, 14 are men ...

It's weird, it doesn't seem that way.  A lot of the candidates overall are men, and the tippy top tier (Bernie, Biden, Beto, Harris) is pretty male, but a lot of the second tier contenders are female (Gillibrand, Klobuchar, Warren).


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin on March 04, 2019, 12:09:38 PM
Democrats (and quite a few independants) DO love Joe Biden. Lots of Ds on this sub and Bernie bots on other social media platforms seem to dislike him though, making it seem as though he is unpopular.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/422084-biden-tops-2020-dems-for-favorability-rating-in-new-poll

They like Joe Biden as he is now, the former VP to a President they strongly like and admire.

If/when he runs for President as championing the pre-2016 status quo, and inevitably has multiple gaffes, they aren't gonna like him as much. He may not implode but his numbers are gonna come down to Earth pretty fast.

Additionally, he's out of step with the Democratic Party on multiple issues that the party is undeniably starting to moving left on (primarily economic issues). If Biden ends up winning the nomination and then wins the presidency, he'll rightfully face a lot of scrutiny from the left for not being progressive enough, if at all.

And on top of that, Biden seems a very likely target for #MeToo accusations, either sincere or GOP-generated.  Both from Thomas' confirmation hearings (https://www.economist.com/democracy-in-america/2018/10/04/joe-bidens-metoo-problem) and the regular appearances of "Creepy Uncle Joe (http://time.com/3713264/joe-biden-stephanie-carter-shoulder-rub/)".

He would be a very poor choice for nominee. Fortunately, I doubt he's running.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 04, 2019, 01:22:14 PM
What do people think of the odds of the Democrats still considering getting in? It sounds like Beto's all but certain to do so, Bullock looks very likely (but could be squeezed out?), Biden is a likely yes, Swalwell and McAuliffe sound somewhat likely to take the plunge, Brown looks more likely than not, Bloomberg's about 50/50, Bennet and de Blasio possibles but probably less than 50/50 at this point and the rest probably won't take the plunge.

Are my theories correct?

It sounds like O'Rourke has already decided to do it, but is just prepping an announcement.  After him, the next most likely to run are probably, IMHO, Swalwell and Brown.  On the other end of the spectrum, my guess is that de Blasio and Merkley are the least likely among those who are publicly mulling a run.  (Abrams is lower, but I don't know that she'd even count, since she hasn't explicitly said that a run for president is on her radar.  She's just dodged the question while explicitly saying that she's thinking about a Senate run, unlike the others at this point.)  Maybe Moulton and Ryan would also fit in the sub-50/50 category.

But everyone else is in between, somewhere in the 50/50 zone, IMHO.  So that's Bennet, Biden, Bloomberg, Bullock, and McAuliffe.  Not sure exactly how to order them.  Yes, I realize that Biden is at ~80% to run on PredictIt, but I think people are overreading his bluster.  Looking at both what he's said publicly, and the behind-the-scenes, it sounds like there's much more uncertainty.  Also, Bullock is another one that I might have thought about rating higher, but the fact that he's talking about waiting until May to decide leads me towards skepticism, so I'm still only at ~50/50 on him.  Maybe higher than that, but not by a lot.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Grassroots on March 04, 2019, 01:37:28 PM
Democrats (and quite a few independants) DO love Joe Biden. Lots of Ds on this sub and Bernie bots on other social media platforms seem to dislike him though, making it seem as though he is unpopular.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/422084-biden-tops-2020-dems-for-favorability-rating-in-new-poll

They like Joe Biden as he is now, the former VP to a President they strongly like and admire.

If/when he runs for President as championing the pre-2016 status quo, and inevitably has multiple gaffes, they aren't gonna like him as much. He may not implode but his numbers are gonna come down to Earth pretty fast.

Additionally, he's out of step with the Democratic Party on multiple issues that the party is undeniably starting to moving left on (primarily economic issues). If Biden ends up winning the nomination and then wins the presidency, he'll rightfully face a lot of scrutiny from the left for not being progressive enough, if at all.

And on top of that, Biden seems a very likely target for #MeToo accusations, either sincere or GOP-generated.  Both from Thomas' confirmation hearings (https://www.economist.com/democracy-in-america/2018/10/04/joe-bidens-metoo-problem) and the regular appearances of "Creepy Uncle Joe (http://time.com/3713264/joe-biden-stephanie-carter-shoulder-rub/)".

He would be a very poor choice for nominee. Fortunately, I doubt he's running.

He's very likely to run, and the metooers can deal with it. Just because hes a straight white male doesn't mean they can just go after him without any actual evidence of anything.

Plus, they probably won't even go after him, because he's a democrat (Franken was a rare exception) and even if there is evidence against him of anything the media won't report it because again, he's a democrat. They only want to deflect the negative attention towards Trump.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Harlow on March 04, 2019, 02:11:48 PM
Democrats (and quite a few independants) DO love Joe Biden. Lots of Ds on this sub and Bernie bots on other social media platforms seem to dislike him though, making it seem as though he is unpopular.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/422084-biden-tops-2020-dems-for-favorability-rating-in-new-poll

They like Joe Biden as he is now, the former VP to a President they strongly like and admire.

If/when he runs for President as championing the pre-2016 status quo, and inevitably has multiple gaffes, they aren't gonna like him as much. He may not implode but his numbers are gonna come down to Earth pretty fast.

Additionally, he's out of step with the Democratic Party on multiple issues that the party is undeniably starting to moving left on (primarily economic issues). If Biden ends up winning the nomination and then wins the presidency, he'll rightfully face a lot of scrutiny from the left for not being progressive enough, if at all.

And on top of that, Biden seems a very likely target for #MeToo accusations, either sincere or GOP-generated.  Both from Thomas' confirmation hearings (https://www.economist.com/democracy-in-america/2018/10/04/joe-bidens-metoo-problem) and the regular appearances of "Creepy Uncle Joe (http://time.com/3713264/joe-biden-stephanie-carter-shoulder-rub/)".

He would be a very poor choice for nominee. Fortunately, I doubt he's running.

He's very likely to run, and the metooers can deal with it. Just because hes a straight white male doesn't mean they can just go after him without any actual evidence of anything.

Plus, they probably won't even go after him, because he's a democrat (Franken was a rare exception) and even if there is evidence against him of anything the media won't report it because again, he's a democrat. They only want to deflect the negative attention towards Trump.

John Conyers? Keith Ellison?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sestak on March 04, 2019, 02:34:10 PM
Democrats (and quite a few independants) DO love Joe Biden. Lots of Ds on this sub and Bernie bots on other social media platforms seem to dislike him though, making it seem as though he is unpopular.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/422084-biden-tops-2020-dems-for-favorability-rating-in-new-poll

They like Joe Biden as he is now, the former VP to a President they strongly like and admire.

If/when he runs for President as championing the pre-2016 status quo, and inevitably has multiple gaffes, they aren't gonna like him as much. He may not implode but his numbers are gonna come down to Earth pretty fast.

Additionally, he's out of step with the Democratic Party on multiple issues that the party is undeniably starting to moving left on (primarily economic issues). If Biden ends up winning the nomination and then wins the presidency, he'll rightfully face a lot of scrutiny from the left for not being progressive enough, if at all.

And on top of that, Biden seems a very likely target for #MeToo accusations, either sincere or GOP-generated.  Both from Thomas' confirmation hearings (https://www.economist.com/democracy-in-america/2018/10/04/joe-bidens-metoo-problem) and the regular appearances of "Creepy Uncle Joe (http://time.com/3713264/joe-biden-stephanie-carter-shoulder-rub/)".

He would be a very poor choice for nominee. Fortunately, I doubt he's running.

He's very likely to run, and the metooers can deal with it. Just because hes a straight white male doesn't mean they can just go after him without any actual evidence of anything.

Plus, they probably won't even go after him, because he's a democrat (Franken was a rare exception) and even if there is evidence against him of anything the media won't report it because again, he's a democrat. They only want to deflect the negative attention towards Trump.

John Conyers? Keith Ellison?

Eric Schneiderman?
Also MeToo literally started with Weinstein, who was a noted Dem donor.

But it should be clear to anyone who reads this forum even a little bit that Grassroots is stuck in his own fantasy world.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Roll Roons on March 04, 2019, 02:36:19 PM
Democrats (and quite a few independants) DO love Joe Biden. Lots of Ds on this sub and Bernie bots on other social media platforms seem to dislike him though, making it seem as though he is unpopular.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/422084-biden-tops-2020-dems-for-favorability-rating-in-new-poll

They like Joe Biden as he is now, the former VP to a President they strongly like and admire.

If/when he runs for President as championing the pre-2016 status quo, and inevitably has multiple gaffes, they aren't gonna like him as much. He may not implode but his numbers are gonna come down to Earth pretty fast.

Additionally, he's out of step with the Democratic Party on multiple issues that the party is undeniably starting to moving left on (primarily economic issues). If Biden ends up winning the nomination and then wins the presidency, he'll rightfully face a lot of scrutiny from the left for not being progressive enough, if at all.

And on top of that, Biden seems a very likely target for #MeToo accusations, either sincere or GOP-generated.  Both from Thomas' confirmation hearings (https://www.economist.com/democracy-in-america/2018/10/04/joe-bidens-metoo-problem) and the regular appearances of "Creepy Uncle Joe (http://time.com/3713264/joe-biden-stephanie-carter-shoulder-rub/)".

He would be a very poor choice for nominee. Fortunately, I doubt he's running.

He's very likely to run, and the metooers can deal with it. Just because hes a straight white male doesn't mean they can just go after him without any actual evidence of anything.

Plus, they probably won't even go after him, because he's a democrat (Franken was a rare exception) and even if there is evidence against him of anything the media won't report it because again, he's a democrat. They only want to deflect the negative attention towards Trump.

John Conyers? Keith Ellison?

Well, Ellison got elected  AG so he's not a great example. But there's Eric Schneiderman and Ruben Kihuen.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: President Johnson on March 04, 2019, 02:55:44 PM
Cuomo says he'll defer to Biden but hasn't completely ruled out a run if Biden doesn't. As usual, Cuomo's virulently contemptuous of the professional left. (https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/1102205025277956096)

To be clear, this interview is from January, but is only being reported on now:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/andrew-cuomo-thinks-hes-best-democrat-beat-trump/583642/

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Here’s how Andrew Cuomo ends our first interview at the beginning of January, sitting in a chair in his office, after eating cookie No. 4 from the tray his staff prepared. I put a simple question to him: “Would you like to be president?” He dodges it over and over by talking about how much he wants to do his job as governor well. Finally he says, Well, Joe Biden is running anyway.

A lot of people think Biden is going to run, I acknowledge, and the former vice president certainly seems to be moving in that direction. But Biden looked like he was about to run in 2015 too, only to end speculation at the last minute. So: What if he doesn’t?

“Call me back,” Cuomo says, and puts his hand out immediately to shake, ending a conversation that lasted through a bathroom break and a theatrical phone call with his daughter, in which he begged her not to try cooking him dinner because she’d make too much of a mess of the pots.


I'd love him to run, he would be my number 2 or 3 choice after Bullock and Harris.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on March 04, 2019, 10:40:18 PM


Merkley announcement tomorrow?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 04, 2019, 11:16:32 PM
https://www.opb.org/news/article/jeff-merkley-announce-president-plans-2020-senate-oregon/

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[Merkley] has debated joining an increasingly crowded field for president. He also is up for re-election next year.
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The letter Merkley sent supporters Monday night didn’t tip his hand:

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"Since Donald Trump was elected, I’ve been traveling from coast to coast helping organize our resistance and get our country back on track. I’ve gone to the border many times to call attention to Trump’s prisons for children, filibustered the brazen theft of a Supreme Court seat, and helped organize the fight for a Green New Deal.

I’ve had extraordinary encounters in every corner of the country with amazing people who are giving everything they have to create an America that works for all of us. And I’ve been thinking hard about what I can give, how I can make the best contribution to the vital work in front of us."

The letter closes with a fundraising appeal and a promise of answers Tuesday.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 04, 2019, 11:23:19 PM
Cuban:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/mavericks/2019/03/04/mark-cuban-mulling-2020-presidential-run/3062906002/

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“It really would take the exact right set of circumstances,” Cuban, who is also known for his role on the reality TV show "Shark Tank," said in an interview with the New York Daily News before his Mavericks lost to the Brooklyn Nets on Monday night.

“I haven’t decided anything yet. We’ll see what happens. It all comes down to how things play out. It’s not something I feel like I have to do," Cuban said.

But he did add that “There’s a lot of uncertainty with what’s going on with the Mueller report, there’s a lot of things that have to be figured out before we know how 2020 is going to play out.

“But (running for president is) something that if circumstances were right I would.”

Cuban said if he did run, it would be as an independent.

Clinton:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/04/politics/hillary-clinton-2020/index.html

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"I'm not running, but I'm going to keep on working and speaking and standing up for what I believe," the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee told CNN affiliate News 12 Westchester.

"I want to be sure that people understand I'm going to keep speaking out. I'm not going anywhere," Clinton said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: PaperKooper on March 04, 2019, 11:48:05 PM
Thanks for posting the updates on Cuban and Amash.  Finding sources on those types of people is always tricky. 


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 05, 2019, 12:17:58 AM
Sherrod Brown's wife Connie Schultz says the couple will decide whether Brown will go ahead with a presidential run "in the next few days", though Brown himself still isn't promising an announcement before the end of March:

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2019/03/03/ohio-sen-sherrod-brown-finished-tour-next-2020-run-president/3044928002/

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During an interview with The Enquirer Saturday in South Carolina, Brown and Schultz seemed like they're leaning towards the senator running, even if they didn't say it in so many words.

"We have seven grandchildren," Schultz said. "You know how people will say, 'what answer will we have for our grandchildren, or our children down the road when they ask why we didn't do something? A lot of people say it to be philosophical down the road, but we were actually grandparents who could have done something about it."

Brown promised an announcement either way by the end of March somewhere in Ohio. They wouldn't get more specific than that. He said his family must sign off on it.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Tender Branson on March 05, 2019, 12:23:05 AM
It‘s pretty clear to me that Merkley will run for Senate again.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Skye on March 05, 2019, 05:45:42 AM
Yikes this is the 2016 GOP field all over again.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Skye on March 05, 2019, 06:48:31 AM
It‘s pretty clear to me that Merkley will run for Senate again.

You are right:


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Bernie Derangement Syndrome Haver on March 05, 2019, 08:11:33 AM
It‘s pretty clear to me that Merkley will run for Senate again.

You are right:


Thank goodness!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Skye on March 05, 2019, 08:13:28 AM


Don't run for President, please.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: 7,052,770 on March 05, 2019, 08:52:31 AM
Late March or early April puts her behind the 8 ball as far as getting 65,000 donors to get in the debates.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Former Crackhead Mike Lindell on March 05, 2019, 08:53:54 AM
I have zero doubt that, should she run, Abrams would smash the 1% polling threshold easily. Don't think she'll run though.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on March 05, 2019, 10:31:18 AM
She is NOT running for President. No matter how coy she is with the media.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: junior chįmp on March 05, 2019, 11:59:59 AM
Not a Dem single voter in CNN's panel wants clown Biden to run

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A group of Democratic voters who had supported Hillary Clinton in 2016 rejected former Vice President Joe Biden's bid for the presidency during a Tuesday morning panel on CNN's "New Day."

"How many of you would like to see Joe Biden get in?" co-host Alisyn Camerota asked the panel. "Show of hands?"

No one raised their hands. Multiple people shook their heads.


"What's happening?" Camerota said.

"His time is done," Democrat Carol Evans replied.

Democrat Russell Banks expanded on her point.

"I'll be honest, I used to think like, you know—because obviously he was riding the Obama wave, and I thought he was the person that would unite the party, but to be honest, you know, Senator Biden really comes from kind of the good-old-boy politics of the past," he said.


https://freebeacon.com/politics/cnn-panel-of-democrats-dont-support-biden-his-time-is-done/

Hopefully Biden is done


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: scutosaurus on March 05, 2019, 12:02:24 PM
Not a Dem single voter in CNN's panel wants clown Biden to run

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A group of Democratic voters who had supported Hillary Clinton in 2016 rejected former Vice President Joe Biden's bid for the presidency during a Tuesday morning panel on CNN's "New Day."

"How many of you would like to see Joe Biden get in?" co-host Alisyn Camerota asked the panel. "Show of hands?"

No one raised their hands. Multiple people shook their heads.


"What's happening?" Camerota said.

"His time is done," Democrat Carol Evans replied.

Democrat Russell Banks expanded on her point.

"I'll be honest, I used to think like, you know—because obviously he was riding the Obama wave, and I thought he was the person that would unite the party, but to be honest, you know, Senator Biden really comes from kind of the good-old-boy politics of the past," he said.


https://freebeacon.com/politics/cnn-panel-of-democrats-dont-support-biden-his-time-is-done/

Hopefully Biden is done

These freedom fighters are the Bennet voters of the future.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Bernie Derangement Syndrome Haver on March 05, 2019, 04:35:47 PM
Bloomberg OUT
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-03-05/our-highest-office-my-deepest-obligation


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Matty on March 05, 2019, 04:41:51 PM
Bloomberg wasn’t going to make noise


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: brucejoel99 on March 05, 2019, 04:56:01 PM
Bloomberg OUT
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-03-05/our-highest-office-my-deepest-obligation


Lmao the amount of money Bloomberg has spent exploring runs for President over the years, only to end up not running, could fund a small country for several years at this point lol

In all seriousness, though, good piece. People will focus on his decision not to run, but you gotta admire his commitment to retire every coal-fired plant over the next decade & move us towards 100% clean energy; a laudable & urgently necessary commitment, at that.

Imo, smart move overall by Bloomberg & very bad news for Trump & the GOP, since Bloomberg can now use all the money he was going to spend to run for President to defeat Trump & the GOP instead.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: PaperKooper on March 05, 2019, 04:58:12 PM
Bloomberg not running probably means Biden is. 


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on March 05, 2019, 07:36:09 PM
Not a Dem single voter in CNN's panel wants clown Biden to run

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A group of Democratic voters who had supported Hillary Clinton in 2016 rejected former Vice President Joe Biden's bid for the presidency during a Tuesday morning panel on CNN's "New Day."

"How many of you would like to see Joe Biden get in?" co-host Alisyn Camerota asked the panel. "Show of hands?"

No one raised their hands. Multiple people shook their heads.


"What's happening?" Camerota said.

"His time is done," Democrat Carol Evans replied.

Democrat Russell Banks expanded on her point.

"I'll be honest, I used to think like, you know—because obviously he was riding the Obama wave, and I thought he was the person that would unite the party, but to be honest, you know, Senator Biden really comes from kind of the good-old-boy politics of the past," he said.


https://freebeacon.com/politics/cnn-panel-of-democrats-dont-support-biden-his-time-is-done/

Hopefully Biden is done
Smart people.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Some of My Best Friends Are Gay on March 05, 2019, 07:40:07 PM


Don't run for President, please.


There's no way in hell she's going to run for President, and I don't think she's ever even seriously considered it.

It's pretty obvious (at least to me) that she's going to run for Senate against Perdue.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on March 05, 2019, 07:44:48 PM
Not a Dem single voter in CNN's panel wants clown Biden to run

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A group of Democratic voters who had supported Hillary Clinton in 2016 rejected former Vice President Joe Biden's bid for the presidency during a Tuesday morning panel on CNN's "New Day."

"How many of you would like to see Joe Biden get in?" co-host Alisyn Camerota asked the panel. "Show of hands?"

No one raised their hands. Multiple people shook their heads.


"What's happening?" Camerota said.

"His time is done," Democrat Carol Evans replied.

Democrat Russell Banks expanded on her point.

"I'll be honest, I used to think like, you know—because obviously he was riding the Obama wave, and I thought he was the person that would unite the party, but to be honest, you know, Senator Biden really comes from kind of the good-old-boy politics of the past," he said.


https://freebeacon.com/politics/cnn-panel-of-democrats-dont-support-biden-his-time-is-done/

Hopefully Biden is done
Smart people.

That's a first for a CNN panel of ordinary voters.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: History505 on March 05, 2019, 08:38:52 PM
 https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/05/beto-orourke-has-spoken-with-a-potential-campaign-manager-for-a-possible-2020-campaign-for-president.html?__source=sharebar|twitter&par=sharebar (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/05/beto-orourke-has-spoken-with-a-potential-campaign-manager-for-a-possible-2020-campaign-for-president.html?__source=sharebar|twitter&par=sharebar)
Beto O'Rourke has spoken with a possible manager for a 2020 campaign.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 05, 2019, 11:12:48 PM
Maggie Haberman won't let the dream die:




Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 05, 2019, 11:56:44 PM
Hogan, speaking in Iowa:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/maryland-gov-larry-hogan-in-iowa-and-not-running-for-president--yet/2019/03/04/d5d78648-3ea5-11e9-9361-301ffb5bd5e6_story.html

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But he also signaled that he is in no rush to make up his mind about 2020. He said he was here to attend to National Governors Association business, not lay the groundwork for a campaign. “It currently makes no sense, with a president that has the kind of approval rating that he does in his own party,” Hogan said in an interview. “Having said that, I’ve said things can change, and we don’t know what it might look like a few months from now.”

Variables such as the outcome of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s probe, Democratic talk of impeachment and the president’s fluctuating political standing are all potential factors in his decision, Hogan acknowledged. In the meantime, he’s taking things slowly.

Swalwell:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/432665-swalwell-says-he-will-make-2020-decision-by-the-end-of-the-month

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Asked during a question-and-answer session at the University of Chicago Institute of Politics when he plans to announce a decision on a White House bid, Swalwell said “by the end of the month.”

“There are three questions I’ve asked myself,” he said. “Do I think I can make a difference? Do I think I can win? Because I don’t think — even if you can make a difference, if you can’t win, it’s a hell of a sacrifice to take your family and friends and home constituents through.”

“And then three, can we get the child care for two kids under two to do it?”

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/05/beto-orourke-has-spoken-with-a-potential-campaign-manager-for-a-possible-2020-campaign-for-president.html?__source=sharebar|twitter&par=sharebar (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/05/beto-orourke-has-spoken-with-a-potential-campaign-manager-for-a-possible-2020-campaign-for-president.html?__source=sharebar|twitter&par=sharebar)
Beto O'Rourke has spoken with a possible manager for a 2020 campaign.

This is the crazy thing about O’Rourke saying he’s already decided, but not announcing what the decision is.  He said last week that he’s now made up his mind on what to do, but won’t announce what the decision is yet.  However, reporting like this makes it clear that, if he has decided (as he says he has) then he’s obviously decided to run for president.  What’s the point of sounding out a campaign manager for a presidential run if you’ve already ruled out a presidential run?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on March 06, 2019, 01:01:01 AM
Hogan, speaking in Iowa:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/maryland-gov-larry-hogan-in-iowa-and-not-running-for-president--yet/2019/03/04/d5d78648-3ea5-11e9-9361-301ffb5bd5e6_story.html

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But he also signaled that he is in no rush to make up his mind about 2020. He said he was here to attend to National Governors Association business, not lay the groundwork for a campaign. “It currently makes no sense, with a president that has the kind of approval rating that he does in his own party,” Hogan said in an interview. “Having said that, I’ve said things can change, and we don’t know what it might look like a few months from now.”

Variables such as the outcome of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s probe, Democratic talk of impeachment and the president’s fluctuating political standing are all potential factors in his decision, Hogan acknowledged. In the meantime, he’s taking things slowly.

Swalwell:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/432665-swalwell-says-he-will-make-2020-decision-by-the-end-of-the-month

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Asked during a question-and-answer session at the University of Chicago Institute of Politics when he plans to announce a decision on a White House bid, Swalwell said “by the end of the month.”

“There are three questions I’ve asked myself,” he said. “Do I think I can make a difference? Do I think I can win? Because I don’t think — even if you can make a difference, if you can’t win, it’s a hell of a sacrifice to take your family and friends and home constituents through.”

“And then three, can we get the child care for two kids under two to do it?”

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/05/beto-orourke-has-spoken-with-a-potential-campaign-manager-for-a-possible-2020-campaign-for-president.html?__source=sharebar|twitter&par=sharebar (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/05/beto-orourke-has-spoken-with-a-potential-campaign-manager-for-a-possible-2020-campaign-for-president.html?__source=sharebar|twitter&par=sharebar)
Beto O'Rourke has spoken with a possible manager for a 2020 campaign.

This is the crazy thing about O’Rourke saying he’s already decided, but not announcing what the decision is.  He said last week that he’s now made up his mind on what to do, but won’t announce what the decision is yet.  However, reporting like this makes it clear that, if he has decided (as he says he has) then he’s obviously decided to run for president.  What’s the point of sounding out a campaign manager for a presidential run if you’ve already ruled out a presidential run?


I expect him to announce in a FB live or something like that, which he can do anytime. I don't get what the holdup is, it really seems like his moment has passed with the wait. Whenever he announces he'd certainly be in a far weaker position than had he done so earlier.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: JRP1994 on March 06, 2019, 07:25:18 AM
Maggie Haberman won't let the dream die:




Oh my god. Please just go away and take Kerry with you


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: wbrocks67 on March 06, 2019, 07:28:43 AM
It's pretty clear pundits are really trying to hype up the "HRC is running~~~~~" narrative. It's definitively clear that she's not but they'd love to keep that narrative going.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 06, 2019, 07:42:24 AM
It's pretty clear pundits are really trying to hype up the "HRC is running~~~~~" narrative. It's definitively clear that she's not but they'd love to keep that narrative going.

So is Haberman lying, or did someone close to Clinton say this?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Skye on March 06, 2019, 09:13:56 AM


lmao.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on March 06, 2019, 09:24:06 AM


lmao.
These dinosaurs are sociopaths. They all need to go away.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 06, 2019, 10:15:04 AM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Arturo Belano on March 06, 2019, 04:52:42 PM


lmao.

lol has anyone checked in on Al Gore yet? I mean, he's only 70.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on March 06, 2019, 07:39:11 PM
Maggie Haberman won't let the dream die:




Oh my god. Please just go away and take Kerry with you

Neither of them are going to run. For whatever reason the media just loves teasing that these two are going to join the field.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Beet on March 06, 2019, 07:42:30 PM
Michael Dukakis 2020? He's a proven winner in West Virginia.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 06, 2019, 07:50:51 PM
Maggie Haberman won't let the dream die:




Oh my god. Please just go away and take Kerry with you

Neither of them are going to run. For whatever reason the media just loves teasing that these two are going to join the field.

Kerry himself said that he wouldn't rule it out, so it's not like they're just pulling this idea out of thin air.  If he wanted to avoid such speculation, he wouldn't say such things.

On Clinton, the story's a little different.  It's true that right wing outlets like Newsmax have been pushing "Clinton's going to run again" stories based on basically nothing.  However, in addition to that, there have been more mainstream news outlets (both the NYT as noted above, and CNN back in January (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=303677.msg6643708#msg6643708)) that have reported that privately she hasn't closed the door, despite public comments of skepticism.  So are the mainstream outlets reporting on this just making it up, or what?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 07, 2019, 01:29:18 AM



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: America Needs R'hllor on March 07, 2019, 02:32:06 AM


lmao.

lol has anyone checked in on Al Gore yet? I mean, he's only 70.

He'd legit be the best of the dinosaurs.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Tender Branson on March 07, 2019, 02:32:49 AM
75 pages.

There needs to be a new Part 4 thread.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Big Abraham on March 07, 2019, 02:33:53 AM


lmao.

lol has anyone checked in on Al Gore yet? I mean, he's only 70.

Yeah, and what about Carter? He's only 94 and still eligible for a second term.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sir Mohamed on March 07, 2019, 02:40:01 AM


lmao.

lol has anyone checked in on Al Gore yet? I mean, he's only 70.

Yeah, and what about Carter? He's only 94 and still eligible for a second term.

I'd love Al Gore to be prez. He's really the only one I'd probably support over Harris.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 07, 2019, 10:04:06 AM
Team Biden is putting the pieces in place, but Biden himself continues to dither:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/07/us/politics/biden-2020.html

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The pieces for a Joseph R. Biden Jr. presidential campaign are falling into place: His nucleus of advisers has begun offering campaign positions to seasoned Democratic strategists. They are eyeing a headquarters in Delaware or nearby Philadelphia and a launch date in the beginning of April. Mr. Biden’s family is on board — his wife, Jill, enthusiastically so.

Mr. Biden has also been privately reaching out to a range of influential Democrats, including party donors, members of Congress and allies in the early primary states, to gauge their support. A pillar of organized labor, the International Association of Fire Fighters, is prepared to support him in the Democratic primary.

And in recent weeks, Mr. Biden’s strategist, Steve Ricchetti, has called a handful of would-be candidates and their aides to signal that the former vice president is likely to enter the race and of late has been telling Democrats that he’s 95 percent committed to running, according to officials directly familiar with the discussions.

Yet while Mr. Biden is plainly further along in preparing for a White House bid than he was four years ago, when he grudgingly deferred to Hillary Clinton after months of consideration in the aftermath of his son Beau’s death, there is still one crucial element that’s outstanding: full and final consent from the former vice president himself.
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Still, in conversations over the phone and strategy sessions in his rented Northern Virginia home that are occasionally interrupted by his German shepherds, Major and Champ, Mr. Biden has acknowledged that he is uncertain about his place in the 2020 Democratic primary. He is also uneasy about potential attacks from rivals on his family, aides and advisers say, namely his son Hunter, a lawyer and lobbyist who went through a high-profile divorce in 2017 and has struggled with substance abuse.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 07, 2019, 11:16:38 AM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joe-biden-2020-former-vice-president-in-the-final-stages-of-preparing-bid-for-president/

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Former Vice President Joe Biden is in the final stages of preparing for a 2020 presidential campaign that is expected to launch next month, according to multiple people familiar with his planning.

A formal kickoff is expected by mid-April and would all but cement the size and scope of the Democratic presidential field that currently stands at 12 formally declared candidates, two still in the formal exploratory stage and others still mulling a bid but waiting to see what the former veep might do.
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"My sense is that he's now in a more comfortable space when it comes to questions of broader viability," [one of the people familiar with his plans] said. "There's an element of Biden that takes his time. But he's much more confident than he was previously."

Another person involved with the plans said that "it's not an issue of being indecisive — just about getting things right." This person added that the activity level is now "moving at a campaign speed" and likely to come together quickly in the next few weeks.

That story, like the NYT story, says that his campaign would be headquartered in either Delaware of Philadelphia.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 07, 2019, 12:31:28 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Jon Tester on March 07, 2019, 12:35:42 PM
Good choice.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 07, 2019, 12:37:31 PM
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2019/03/07/2020-presidential-election-sherrod-brown-says-he-wont-run/3089907002/

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The Democrat from Cleveland told reporters Thursday in a conference call that he wants to remain a senator.

"We've decided the best place for me to continue fighting for Ohio and all the workers is to stay in the U.S. Senate," Brown said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 07, 2019, 12:50:25 PM
Moulton will decide by May, says he won't give up his House seat for now. (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/moulton-positions-himself-national-security-candidate/584341/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on March 07, 2019, 01:56:22 PM
Moulton will decide by May, says he won't give up his House seat for now. (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/moulton-positions-himself-national-security-candidate/584341/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share)
Because he knows a progressive will take his seat, and he know he won't win the nomination.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on March 07, 2019, 03:24:19 PM


This is the first opt-out that's really surprised me. 


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on March 07, 2019, 03:25:30 PM
Moulton will decide by May, says he won't give up his House seat for now. (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/moulton-positions-himself-national-security-candidate/584341/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share)

I have no idea why the guys with the lowest name ID are waiting the longest. Considering the debate criteria they should be getting in as early as possible.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: President Johnson on March 07, 2019, 03:25:50 PM


This is the first opt-out that's really surprised me. 

Me, too. But may the best for him and the party to remain in the senate. He's a fine guy.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ○∙◄☻Ątπ[╪AV┼cVę└ on March 07, 2019, 03:30:27 PM
Moulton will decide by May, says he won't give up his House seat for now. (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/moulton-positions-himself-national-security-candidate/584341/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share)

I have no idea why the guys with the lowest name ID are waiting the longest. Considering the debate criteria they should be getting in as early as possible.

Delaney has been campaigning for 2 years, and he was 0% in the latest poll, so it doesn't really matter.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on March 07, 2019, 05:57:46 PM
I got information from someone (claims to be close to Ohio Democratic Party and DNC) that Sherrod Brown would have guaranteed VP slot to somebody who will win D's primary.

Further informations on that are as follows:

- Brown would be also having a blank cheque whether to run or not in Democratic primaries, it has to be up to him only

- He was offered to be a horse of "Rust Belt Act" (whatever that name means) which is being reportedly in the works

- That guaranteed Brown's VP slot would not only limit to the winner of Dem primaries, but to any other Democratic contender, I was told that he would get also guaranteed VP offers from "everyone" contending Democratic primaries

- That case about losing a Senate seat when choosing Sherrod for VP in 2020 (because Ohio governor is a Republican) was of course being considered, but according to the informations I got the stakes in 2020 are higher than losing a Senate seat, because it goes about presidency, and such decision was taken concerning that problem

Have you ever heard of "Rust Belt Act"?

Here are the latest updates:

- Harris (her person, candidacy and campaign) have been well accepted in the circles close to DNC;

- She's ready to kinda cooperate with DNC along DNC's legislative agenda (if such thing will be suiting her needs and views). This is important, because DNC wants to and plan to coordinate the outlook of the Party with the primary candidates, and wants it all to be made run smoothly (so Bernie Bros wouldn't get DNC support);

- Staffs of Harris and Brown are have to be coordinating calendars of each own to talk around questions of "Rust Belt Act" (of which I mentioned above in the quotation);

- Brown would decide whether to start or not within two months, if he'll decide to run, he'll officially launch (like KH did last day in Oakland) his campaign on May 1st (the Labor Day) in Chicago;

- But if Brown decide not to run, he'll be in Windy City anyway and along with KH would presumably officially unveil "Rust Belt Act" in the name of the rest of Democrats and DNC;

- That thing of course, would be meaning that Brown joins Harris on her ticket.

Hmm...


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on March 07, 2019, 06:07:12 PM
I got information from someone (claims to be close to Ohio Democratic Party and DNC) that Sherrod Brown would have guaranteed VP slot to somebody who will win D's primary.

Further informations on that are as follows:

- Brown would be also having a blank cheque whether to run or not in Democratic primaries, it has to be up to him only

- He was offered to be a horse of "Rust Belt Act" (whatever that name means) which is being reportedly in the works

- That guaranteed Brown's VP slot would not only limit to the winner of Dem primaries, but to any other Democratic contender, I was told that he would get also guaranteed VP offers from "everyone" contending Democratic primaries

- That case about losing a Senate seat when choosing Sherrod for VP in 2020 (because Ohio governor is a Republican) was of course being considered, but according to the informations I got the stakes in 2020 are higher than losing a Senate seat, because it goes about presidency, and such decision was taken concerning that problem

Have you ever heard of "Rust Belt Act"?

Here are the latest updates:

- Harris (her person, candidacy and campaign) have been well accepted in the circles close to DNC;

- She's ready to kinda cooperate with DNC along DNC's legislative agenda (if such thing will be suiting her needs and views). This is important, because DNC wants to and plan to coordinate the outlook of the Party with the primary candidates, and wants it all to be made run smoothly (so Bernie Bros wouldn't get DNC support);

- Staffs of Harris and Brown are have to be coordinating calendars of each own to talk around questions of "Rust Belt Act" (of which I mentioned above in the quotation);

- Brown would decide whether to start or not within two months, if he'll decide to run, he'll officially launch (like KH did last day in Oakland) his campaign on May 1st (the Labor Day) in Chicago;

- But if Brown decide not to run, he'll be in Windy City anyway and along with KH would presumably officially unveil "Rust Belt Act" in the name of the rest of Democrats and DNC;

- That thing of course, would be meaning that Brown joins Harris on her ticket.

Hmm...

Im shocked that their sources werent accurate ::)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 07, 2019, 09:03:32 PM
Again, O'Rourke says he's already decided whether he's running for prez or not, so unless he's lying about that, then the answer is yes, he's running (unless all the reports on things like this are made up):

https://www.wmur.com/article/beto-orourke-team-begins-making-inquiries-about-possible-staffers-strategists-in-nh/26756430

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As Beto O’Rourke continues to hold off on an announcement about his political plans, people working closely with him have begun making inquiries in New Hampshire about matters that would be central to a mounting a presidential campaign in the leadoff primary state.

Key Democratic sources -- who are not involved in any effort to draft O’Rourke -- told WMUR that people close to O’Rourke have reached out to politically knowledgeable Granite Staters seeking advice on specifics concerning what a New Hampshire campaign would entail.
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These inquiries have been made only in the past several days and are the first sign of any outreach by O’Rourke’s team with Granite Staters.

Moulton will decide by May, says he won't give up his House seat for now. (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/moulton-positions-himself-national-security-candidate/584341/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share)

I have no idea why the guys with the lowest name ID are waiting the longest. Considering the debate criteria they should be getting in as early as possible.

Delaney has been campaigning for 2 years, and he was 0% in the latest poll, so it doesn't really matter.

Delaney has gotten 1% in some polls, just not the ones that count.  The more polls you're included in, the better your chances that you'll get 1% in some of them, even if just by chance.  Moulton's an example of someone obscure enough that he's not likely to be included in many (any?) polls until he formally enters the race, so if he's going to have any chance at all of making the debates, he should decide on whether to run right now, not just a few weeks before the deadline.  Same thing with fundraising.  He, and other low name IDers, have no shot at getting 65,000 donors in time if they don't get in until the last minute.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 08, 2019, 12:01:52 AM


Moulton will decide by May, says he won't give up his House seat for now. (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/moulton-positions-himself-national-security-candidate/584341/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share)

Also from that story:

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Moulton has set his timeline for making a final decision at two months, by about May. He hasn’t started fundraising or hiring a staff. But he’s acting as if he has already entered the race. On March 19 and 20, he’ll be in South Carolina, joining former state Representative James Smith, another veteran, whom Moulton endorsed in his race for governor last year. He will also attend an event sponsored by college Democrats at the University of South Carolina, and he has plans to visit the other early-primary states by the end of April.

Schultz:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/432954-schultz-recruiting-gop-insiders-ahead-of-possible-2020-bid

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Former Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz has recruited at least three veteran House Republican staffers and consultants to join his presidential campaign-in-waiting, bringing on seasoned and well-connected GOP operatives who know their way around the very political apparatus helping to reelect President Trump in 2020.

They include Brendon DelToro and Matt LoParco, who served as deputy political director and external affairs director, respectively, to former National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC) Chairman Rep. Steve Stivers (R-Ohio) during the 2018 cycle.

A third Schultz hire, GOP consultant Greg Strimple, founder of GS Strategy Group, has done polling and other consulting for the NRCC, the National Republican Senatorial Committee and the Congressional Leadership Fund, the super PAC aligned with former Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), according to campaign finance reports.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 08, 2019, 01:08:55 AM
Tim Ryan says he will likely decide whether to run "in the next month or so":

http://www.wfmj.com/story/40090024/rep-tim-ryan-opens-up-about-a-potential-run-for-the-presidency

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One of the determining factors for Ryan will be his family. He says they have had conversations for a few months and will support him in whatever path he chooses.

"I think my wife thinks I'm a little crazy but she's my rock and she'll be there and the kids have said if we decide to do this, they'll be there. That means obviously the world to me because it would be a great sacrifice missing events with them and Brady is 4 and a half and just a load of fun and the kids are in high school and they're a lot of fun so missing out on that would suck but you also want to leave them a little bit better world than we're in right now and that is important to me too," said Ryan.

Another factor in the decision is money. Ryan is currently working to determine if he'll have sufficient financial backing to enter the race.

"You don't want to get in and not have anyone backing you. You need some money and it's also, do I think that my, like I'm not going to change my message, I'm going to talk about jobs, workers, new economy, pensions, the things I talk about here and will that resonate in Iowa, New Hampshire and the early states? I think there is some interest in that. Is there some interest in the generational change? yeah I think so, so you need some money but the people who have been through it say the person with the message that really connects, you tap into something, you saw this with Bernie Sanders, you saw this with Donald Trump, they had a message. Trump ran, he didn't have a whole lot of money, like he dominated free media. So if you have that message that really gets in someone's heart, then the money comes but you need enough to just get in," he said.
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Ryan says he needs to make a decision soon, likely in the next month or so.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sherrod Brown Shill on March 08, 2019, 07:52:59 AM
Tim Ryan says he will likely decide whether to run "in the next month or so":

http://www.wfmj.com/story/40090024/rep-tim-ryan-opens-up-about-a-potential-run-for-the-presidency

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One of the determining factors for Ryan will be his family. He says they have had conversations for a few months and will support him in whatever path he chooses.

"I think my wife thinks I'm a little crazy but she's my rock and she'll be there and the kids have said if we decide to do this, they'll be there. That means obviously the world to me because it would be a great sacrifice missing events with them and Brady is 4 and a half and just a load of fun and the kids are in high school and they're a lot of fun so missing out on that would suck but you also want to leave them a little bit better world than we're in right now and that is important to me too," said Ryan.

Another factor in the decision is money. Ryan is currently working to determine if he'll have sufficient financial backing to enter the race.

"You don't want to get in and not have anyone backing you. You need some money and it's also, do I think that my, like I'm not going to change my message, I'm going to talk about jobs, workers, new economy, pensions, the things I talk about here and will that resonate in Iowa, New Hampshire and the early states? I think there is some interest in that. Is there some interest in the generational change? yeah I think so, so you need some money but the people who have been through it say the person with the message that really connects, you tap into something, you saw this with Bernie Sanders, you saw this with Donald Trump, they had a message. Trump ran, he didn't have a whole lot of money, like he dominated free media. So if you have that message that really gets in someone's heart, then the money comes but you need enough to just get in," he said.
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Ryan says he needs to make a decision soon, likely in the next month or so.


With Brown out Ryan is almost certainly gonna run. I guess he knew more than us after all.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 08, 2019, 08:26:28 AM
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/07/montana-gov-bullock-adviser-2020-1211289

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Montana Gov. Steve Bullock has hired veteran Democratic operative Jenn Ridder to work for his PAC, in the latest sign that the Western Democrat is nearing a presidential run.

Ridder will join Bullock's Big Sky Values PAC as a senior adviser, but she would be an obvious choice to manage Bullock's campaign should he decide to run for president. Ridder ran Colorado Gov. Jared Polis' successful campaign in 2018 and previously worked at the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and was former Colorado Sen. Mark Udall's deputy campaign manager in 2014.
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Ridder's hiring is the latest in a series of behind-the-scenes moves laying the groundwork for Bullock's potential run. Big Sky Values PAC has already tapped Megan Simpson, a Democratic operative who most recently ran the coordinated campaign for the 2018 Montana Democratic Party, as its organizing director in Iowa.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Pollster on March 08, 2019, 09:05:59 AM
Andrew Gillum has sent out an email to supporters touting a "major announcement in South Florida" on March 20.

Gillum is not from South Florida.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on March 08, 2019, 09:12:33 AM
Andrew Gillum has sent out an email to supporters touting a "major announcement in South Florida" on March 20.

Gillum is not from South Florida.

Huh, interesting. There is no major race in FL this go-around, so this is either 3 things.
1. "Im not running for President, and this was highly pointless"
2. "I have nothing to do, so Im going to run for president"
3. "Im going to run for the House"


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Not Me, Us on March 08, 2019, 09:16:46 AM
Andrew Gillum has sent out an email to supporters touting a "major announcement in South Florida" on March 20.

Gillum is not from South Florida.

Huh, interesting. There is no major race in FL this go-around, so this is either 3 things.
1. "Im not running for President, and this was highly pointless"
2. "I have nothing to do, so Im going to run for president"
3. "Im going to run for the House"

Why would he announce he's running for house outside of the district he's running in?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Skye on March 08, 2019, 09:18:55 AM
Andrew Gillum has sent out an email to supporters touting a "major announcement in South Florida" on March 20.

Gillum is not from South Florida.

Huh, interesting. There is no major race in FL this go-around, so this is either 3 things.
1. "Im not running for President, and this was highly pointless"
2. "I have nothing to do, so Im going to run for president"
3. "Im going to run for the House"

Why would he announce he's running for house outside of the district he's running in?
Pretty much this.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Zaybay on March 08, 2019, 09:23:22 AM
Andrew Gillum has sent out an email to supporters touting a "major announcement in South Florida" on March 20.

Gillum is not from South Florida.

Huh, interesting. There is no major race in FL this go-around, so this is either 3 things.
1. "Im not running for President, and this was highly pointless"
2. "I have nothing to do, so Im going to run for president"
3. "Im going to run for the House"

Why would he announce he's running for house outside of the district he's running in?

I have no clue. I really dont get the point of this unless he runs for president, to which I say "What the  hell are you doing?"


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: OneJ on March 08, 2019, 09:26:59 AM
Andrew Gillum has sent out an email to supporters touting a "major announcement in South Florida" on March 20.

Gillum is not from South Florida.

Huh, interesting. There is no major race in FL this go-around, so this is either 3 things.
1. "Im not running for President, and this was highly pointless"
2. "I have nothing to do, so Im going to run for president"
3. "Im going to run for the House"

I know this is kind of far-fetched, but maybe he’s gonna announce that he’ll try to challenge DeSantis again in 2022.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: brucejoel99 on March 08, 2019, 09:36:00 AM
Andrew Gillum has sent out an email to supporters touting a "major announcement in South Florida" on March 20.

Gillum is not from South Florida.

The flashy video looks like he's gearing up for a presidential run, but the message behind it seems to indicate that he's just gonna announce that he's setting up a PAC.

Also, he lost our most winnable governor's race in decades & even ran behind Nelson & the freaking Ag commissioner candidate, so please just go away.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 08, 2019, 10:55:48 AM
Bennet's in New Hampshire today:

https://www.wmur.com/article/nh-primary-source-buttigieg-bennet-bernie-headed-to-nh-this-week-weekend/26742865


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: President Johnson on March 08, 2019, 02:17:25 PM
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/07/montana-gov-bullock-adviser-2020-1211289

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Montana Gov. Steve Bullock has hired veteran Democratic operative Jenn Ridder to work for his PAC, in the latest sign that the Western Democrat is nearing a presidential run.

Ridder will join Bullock's Big Sky Values PAC as a senior adviser, but she would be an obvious choice to manage Bullock's campaign should he decide to run for president. Ridder ran Colorado Gov. Jared Polis' successful campaign in 2018 and previously worked at the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and was former Colorado Sen. Mark Udall's deputy campaign manager in 2014.
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Ridder's hiring is the latest in a series of behind-the-scenes moves laying the groundwork for Bullock's potential run. Big Sky Values PAC has already tapped Megan Simpson, a Democratic operative who most recently ran the coordinated campaign for the 2018 Montana Democratic Party, as its organizing director in Iowa.


This is great news. I hope his candidacy gains traction.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 08, 2019, 03:21:53 PM
"Biden continues to lean toward a run for president but has not made a final decision":

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/08/joe-biden-and-his-team-talk-about-infrastructure-as-he-weighs-2020-bid.html

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Former Vice President Joe Biden has been actively meeting with his closest advisors about his preferred economic policies, including crafting an infrastructure reform package that could be part of his 2020 campaign if he decides to run for president, CNBC has learned.
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Biden and his team privately have also gone through other various positions that the former vice president has supported in the past, including cutting taxes for the middle class and bettering income inequality, according to people with direct knowledge of the matter. These people say such ideas have not been crafted into an official 2020 platform, but they are under consideration to be part of his agenda if he were to run for president.
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As for an announcement timeline, Biden continues to lean toward a run for president but has not made a final decision. He has publicly confirmed to be in the "final stages" on deciding his next steps. CNBC reported last month that Biden has been actively talking with top party donors about potentially entering the growing 2020 primary. He's also been speaking with social media experts for guidance on how best to appeal to young voters through a variety of online platforms.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Tender Branson on March 08, 2019, 03:23:40 PM
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/07/montana-gov-bullock-adviser-2020-1211289

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Montana Gov. Steve Bullock has hired veteran Democratic operative Jenn Ridder to work for his PAC, in the latest sign that the Western Democrat is nearing a presidential run.

Ridder will join Bullock's Big Sky Values PAC as a senior adviser, but she would be an obvious choice to manage Bullock's campaign should he decide to run for president. Ridder ran Colorado Gov. Jared Polis' successful campaign in 2018 and previously worked at the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and was former Colorado Sen. Mark Udall's deputy campaign manager in 2014.
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Ridder's hiring is the latest in a series of behind-the-scenes moves laying the groundwork for Bullock's potential run. Big Sky Values PAC has already tapped Megan Simpson, a Democratic operative who most recently ran the coordinated campaign for the 2018 Montana Democratic Party, as its organizing director in Iowa.


This is great news. I hope his candidacy gains traction.

Yeah, me too.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: here2view on March 08, 2019, 05:26:22 PM
Andrew Gillum has sent out an email to supporters touting a "major announcement in South Florida" on March 20.

Gillum is not from South Florida.

The flashy video looks like he's gearing up for a presidential run, but the message behind it seems to indicate that he's just gonna announce that he's setting up a PAC.

Also, he lost our most winnable governor's race in decades & even ran behind Nelson & the freaking Ag commissioner candidate, so please just go away.

This. He would gain no traction whatsoever in a primary.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 08, 2019, 06:14:19 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on March 08, 2019, 06:28:00 PM
Andrew Gillum has sent out an email to supporters touting a "major announcement in South Florida" on March 20.

Gillum is not from South Florida.

The flashy video looks like he's gearing up for a presidential run, but the message behind it seems to indicate that he's just gonna announce that he's setting up a PAC.

Also, he lost our most winnable governor's race in decades & even ran behind Nelson & the freaking Ag commissioner candidate, so please just go away.

This. He would gain no traction whatsoever in a primary.

If he thinks he's a Beto or Abrams-like martyr figure after his loss, he has another thing coming. He needs to be satisfied with just being a CNN commentator now.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: History505 on March 08, 2019, 07:41:06 PM
https://6abc.com/politics/bidens-daughter-steps-down-from-delaware-center-for-justice/5177715/   (ftp://https://6abc.com/politics/bidens-daughter-steps-down-from-delaware-center-for-justice/5177715/)
Biden's daughter is stepping down from the Delaware Center for Justice, fueling more speculation about an eventual Biden run.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 09, 2019, 01:31:00 AM
Biden's in St. Croix this weekend, discussing the "remaining roadblocks" to a campaign with his wife, and a decision could potentially be made within days (though not publicly announced until April, if he decides to run):

https://www.apnews.com/f7caa914f2a24f059ddf5660993a4dc1

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The fundraising question comes as Biden allies across the country feel an increasing sense of urgency for the Democratic heavyweight to declare his intentions. He has repeatedly hinted that he’s close to making a decision, but those close to him now believe that an announcement, which some expected in January, might be delayed until April.
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Biden has made clear to his family, friends and advisers that he wants to run, but he has held off giving his team the final go-ahead to launch a campaign. Among the factors giving him pause is concern about the impact a presidential run would have on his family, particularly given his son Hunter’s complicated personal history.
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Those close to Biden expect him to signal his decision — at least internally — in the coming days to be followed by an intense period of hiring ahead of an April announcement should he decide to run.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on March 09, 2019, 07:03:43 AM

Ooohhh that’d be a good endorsement for Beto in South Carolina.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 09, 2019, 02:50:02 PM



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 09, 2019, 03:38:08 PM
O'Rourke's in Austin for the premiere of the HBO documentary about him:

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/politics/texas/article/Beto-O-Rourke-appears-at-debut-of-HBO-13675975.php?src=hp_totn

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Possible 2020 presidential contender Beto O’Rourke just popped into a seat at the Paramount Theater in downtown Austin for the premiere of “Running with Beto,” an HBO documentary that chronicles his rise from virtual unknown to national political sensation.
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The Beto team continues to put out tantalizing emails to supporters. One new email from his deputy campaign manager says “and now I’m ready for us to bring our movement to the rest of the country.”

But still no announcement, though O’Rourke confirmed 10 days ago that he has decided whether he will run for president.

Why no announcement still?

“I want to make sure I do it the right way,” O’Rourke says. “I’ve got to be on the timeline that works for my family and for the country.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 09, 2019, 06:37:14 PM



The email in question would seem to leave little doubt that O'Rourke is running:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/beto-orourke-signals-a-2020-run

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“If you’re on the edge of your seat about Beto’s decision around a potential 2020 run for president, you’re not alone,” read the email sent to those who received updates from the Texas Democrat's failed Senate run. “But since you’re someone who supported Beto’s run for Senate, I wanted to invite you to be first to hear Beto’s big announcement.”

The email did not say whether the former El Paso congressman would be running, just that he has made a decision.

“There’s been an outpouring of speculation, excitement, and support from people across the country — everyone eagerly waiting for the news. Many of us are crossing our fingers and hoping that Beto has decided to run,” the email to supporters continued.

So to recap: O'Rourke says he's decided what he's going to do now, and his Senate campaign has sent an email to supporters teasing an announcement "about a potential 2020 run for president".  Not about a run for something (prez/Senate/governor/etc., with details TBD), but specifically singling out a run for president.  The email even says that "Many of us are crossing our fingers and hoping that Beto has decided to run”.

What would be the point of this if O'Rourke wasn't running for president?  I mean, maybe whoever's in charge of this email list for his Senate campaign has gone rogue, and is sending out emails without O'Rourke's consent, but I assume the chances of that are remote.  :P  So if this is de facto from O'Rourke himself, then he's obviously running.  Or else he just really likes pranking his supporters.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 10, 2019, 01:30:31 PM
Bennet, in New Hampshire, says that he’s weeks, not month, away from making a 2020 decision:

https://www.sentinelsource.com/news/local/mulling-run-sen-michael-bennet-of-colorado-stops-by-jaffrey/article_8730f813-2573-5d5a-91ec-338406a055dd.html

While in South Carolina, de Blasio says he plans to make a 2020 decision “sooner rather than later”:

https://www.postandcourier.com/politics/nyc-mayor-bill-de-blasio-says-he-ll-make-decision/article_2520f70a-429f-11e9-8998-a7e7fac317d2.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 10, 2019, 03:29:07 PM
Kasich on 2020:

https://www.10tv.com/article/kasich-potential-2020-run-i-dont-know-what-im-going-do

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"I don't know what I'm going to do. At some point, there's an internal clock for all of us and there are deadlines, but they're not here yet. I'll tell you this though. I'm not in a Hail Mary. I run when I think I can win. So, we assess things just about every week, sometimes every day, and we'll see. I'm not closing anything down, I just don't know."


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on March 10, 2019, 07:33:13 PM
Kasich on 2020:

https://www.10tv.com/article/kasich-potential-2020-run-i-dont-know-what-im-going-do

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"I don't know what I'm going to do. At some point, there's an internal clock for all of us and there are deadlines, but they're not here yet. I'll tell you this though. I'm not in a Hail Mary. I run when I think I can win. So, we assess things just about every week, sometimes every day, and we'll see. I'm not closing anything down, I just don't know."


Boooooo, do something already.

I know, right!? Give Weld some credit, he at least put his money where his mouth is.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 11, 2019, 05:44:42 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/11/us/politics/beto-orourke-2020.html

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As the Democratic presidential field takes final shape, Mr. O’Rourke seems inclined to be in this, according to interviews with people who have spoken to him and other top Democrats. He says he has made a decision about whether to run and could announce it as early as this week, unsettling prospective rival campaigns that consider Mr. O’Rourke a credible threat.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 11, 2019, 09:06:46 AM
Biden:

https://www.axios.com/joe-biden-2020-presidential-election-imminent-4e9500d1-6873-45b8-9a89-7f1afe2c4121.html

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Advisers to former Vice President Biden say it will be apparent within days whether he has decided to activate a presidential campaign that would likely launch by early April.

Between the lines: A Biden insider tells me the "final, final" decision is now "imminent."

Biden, 76, returns this week from a family vacation in the Virgin Islands, where he was expected to make a final decision on whether to make one more big run after more than four decades of public service.

The Smart Brevity from Bidenworld: The former vice president is highly likely — but not absolutely certain — to announce soon (by early April).

We're told the weekend in St. Croix was to run through the toll that a campaign would take on the family, and everyone is on board.

If Biden decides to go for it, he'll start pressing political allies and potential staff members for firm commitments to join him.

That will be the true "tell," advisers say, and will quickly become widely known.

de Blasio world doubts he'll go through with it, and/or thinks it would be a bad idea:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/11/bill-de-blasio-2020-1213856

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As de Blasio touted his liberal record in Iowa and South Carolina in recent weeks, nearly three dozen former and current aides, consultants and allies who spoke to POLITICO panned the idea or doubted that the mayor would end up going through with a run for the Democratic nomination. Aside from the few people working on the nascent effort, only two said de Blasio should run.
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It’s a stark contrast to the typical dynamics of a presidential exploration, where aides and allies tend to egg on the potential candidate. Indeed, the strongest advocate for a de Blasio candidacy seems to be de Blasio himself. Gone is the stable of trusted consultants whose advice he once relied on so heavily that he designated them de facto city employees during his first term. In their place are two City Hall aides volunteering their spare time to work on his explorations, and his wife, Chirlane McCray.
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Still, de Blasio has been making moves.

He tapped City Hall communications director Mike Casca, a 2016 Bernie Sanders alum, and Jon Paul Lupo, a top government aide with experience on national Senate races, to work on the effort in their spare time. Last month he traveled to the battleground state of Iowa, trekking through a snowstorm to tout his successes in New York City to small groups of voters.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: History505 on March 11, 2019, 12:20:41 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on March 11, 2019, 12:47:32 PM
Stacey Abrams is out (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/433506-stacey-abrams-rules-out-2020-presidential-bid), says she won't run for President earlier than 2028.

Edit: I misinterpreted the story.  She says 2028 is the earliest in her current career plan, but isn't ruling anything out for 2020 yet.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Tender Branson on March 11, 2019, 01:02:03 PM
Stacey Abrams is out (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/433506-stacey-abrams-rules-out-2020-presidential-bid), says she won't run for President earlier than 2028.

Good woman.

I hope she runs for Senate instead.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: aaroncd107 on March 11, 2019, 01:06:44 PM
Biden:

https://www.axios.com/joe-biden-2020-presidential-election-imminent-4e9500d1-6873-45b8-9a89-7f1afe2c4121.html

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Advisers to former Vice President Biden say it will be apparent within days whether he has decided to activate a presidential campaign that would likely launch by early April.

Between the lines: A Biden insider tells me the "final, final" decision is now "imminent."

Biden, 76, returns this week from a family vacation in the Virgin Islands, where he was expected to make a final decision on whether to make one more big run after more than four decades of public service.

The Smart Brevity from Bidenworld: The former vice president is highly likely — but not absolutely certain — to announce soon (by early April).

We're told the weekend in St. Croix was to run through the toll that a campaign would take on the family, and everyone is on board.

If Biden decides to go for it, he'll start pressing political allies and potential staff members for firm commitments to join him.

That will be the true "tell," advisers say, and will quickly become widely known.

Biden has been “announcing soon” for the past 3 months.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 11, 2019, 02:10:11 PM
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/433518-orourke-weighing-possible-iowa-trip-ahead-of-2020-announcement-report

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Former Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-Texas) is looking at a possible trip to Iowa as he weighs a 2020 presidential run.

The El Paso Democrat’s team has been in talks with the campaign of Eric Giddens, a Democrat running in a state Senate special election, for O’Rourke to canvass for the candidate this weekend, according to a CNN report.

O’Rourke and his team have also been putting together a video boosting Giddens’s campaign, CNN reported.

A report from The New York Times on Monday also noted that an Iowa visit by O’Rourke could come as early as this week.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on March 11, 2019, 02:44:37 PM
Stacey Abrams is out (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/433506-stacey-abrams-rules-out-2020-presidential-bid), says she won't run for President earlier than 2028.
I will be there with bells on, but she has business to finish in Georgia first.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Xing on March 11, 2019, 02:49:33 PM
Stacey Abrams is out (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/433506-stacey-abrams-rules-out-2020-presidential-bid), says she won't run for President earlier than 2028.

Good woman.

I hope she runs for Senate instead.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Spiffy on March 11, 2019, 03:22:15 PM
Uhh...



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: TarHeelDem on March 11, 2019, 03:22:30 PM


lol


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on March 11, 2019, 03:35:10 PM
Uhh...



Mea culpa: I misinterpreted the original story in The Hill.  She says 2028 is the earliest in her current career plan, but isn't ruling anything out for 2020 yet.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 11, 2019, 04:40:35 PM



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 11, 2019, 07:37:09 PM
Swalwell sticking to "end of the month":




Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Canis on March 11, 2019, 07:52:45 PM
who would even vote from him


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: beaver2.0 on March 11, 2019, 08:25:33 PM
Eric Swalwell.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ○∙◄☻Ątπ[╪AV┼cVę└ on March 11, 2019, 08:36:36 PM
Swalwell sticking to "end of the month":




I assume anyone announcing at the end of the quarter will probably set it up so they don't report anything to the FEC for the quarter.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Canis on March 11, 2019, 08:45:11 PM
Ok we've got one


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RussFeingoldWasRobbed on March 11, 2019, 08:45:15 PM
God Swalwell is delusional. Does he think he has any ability to win a national office after the whole nuke thing?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: beaver2.0 on March 11, 2019, 09:02:53 PM
If you're referring to me then no.  I was simply saying that Eric Swalwell might get a singular vote out of himself.  Maybe.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: TarHeelDem on March 11, 2019, 09:15:52 PM
Rep. Swalwell's one of the strongest voices out there on intelligence and cybersecurity and is a voice for a new generation of leadership. If we look at the field as 17 (fourteen declared plus Biden, O'Rourke, and Swalwell), he'd be somewhere between my fourth and sixth choice.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Canis on March 11, 2019, 11:10:55 PM
If you're referring to me then no.  I was simply saying that Eric Swalwell might get a singular vote out of himself.  Maybe.
I know I was counting his vote not yours


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 12, 2019, 12:29:28 AM
O'Rourke will be in Iowa on Saturday:

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2019/03/11/iowa-ad-conservative-group-hits-beto-orourke-entitlement-amid-worry-could-flip-texas-2020

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O'Rourke will knock on doors in Waterloo and urge Iowans to the polls ahead of a special election next Tuesday for a vacant state Senate seat, Iowa Democratic officials confirmed Monday night.

Biden to headline two events this week that'll serve as a "test drive" for a potential campaign, a speech before the International Association of Firefighters on Tuesday, and then a Delaware Democratic Party dinner in Dover on Saturday:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/heading-big-week-joe-biden-gains-key-encouragement-firefighters-union-n981856

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Advisers insist that Biden still hasn’t made [a decision]. He and his wife spent last week on what may well have been a final pre-campaign vacation in St. Croix, ahead of an informal deadline that his team had set as the goal for getting the green light to execute the campaign plan long in the works.

No final decisions have been made about what would be the campaign platform, either. But advisers say the starting point would be what they sketched out as he considered entering the 2016 race.
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On another front, Biden has said he is prepared to reject the support of a super PAC to boost his candidacy — surrendering what would be a potential advantage in the crowded field given his longstanding ties to major Democratic donors. Super PACs are political action committees that can take unlimited contributions from wealthy donors, but they may not coordinate with the campaigns.
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His team has recently impressed upon him the timeline needed to prepare for a campaign launch in early or mid-April. While no campaign jobs have been formally offered, discussions underway for months with potential staff have gone from theoretical opportunities to specific roles, following Biden’s instructions that his campaign team “reflect the country” with diversity in senior roles.

The coming week may be a point of no return for him, as aides recognize that the party’s patience is wearing thin. To the extent advisers identify any potential hurdles he’s still reckoning with, they are parallel: how and when to engage with attacks from the most strident partisan voices in both parties, including Trump.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 12, 2019, 09:06:38 AM


O'Rourke:

https://www.businessinsider.com/beto-orourke-facebook-ads-teasing-decision-on-2020-presidential-race-2019-3

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Former Democratic Rep. Beto O'Rourke of Texas, who has been mulling a 2020 presidential run for months, is running paid advertisements on Facebook alluding to a potential campaign.

O'Rourke, who is trekking to the early primary state of Iowa this week, started running the ads sometime on Wednesday. The ads say that O'Rourke has come to a final decision about his plans for 2020.

"People in communities across the country have been reaching out and asking me if I'm planning on running in 2020," the ad reads. "Amy and I have made a decision on that. Sign up today to be first to know what's next. I'd like for you to be a part of it."

The ads' performance data, according to the Facebook ad archive, show high indexing and engagement in California, a now large and early primary voting state for the 2020 race.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on March 12, 2019, 11:05:18 AM
Beto is the biggest attention whore I’ve ever witnessed in politics, Trump aside.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: henster on March 12, 2019, 11:30:03 AM
Beto is the biggest attention whore I’ve ever witnessed in politics, Trump aside.

I don't get the point in dragging it out if he's decided to run. There's no benefit in waiting since he's lost so much support from a few months ago.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on March 12, 2019, 11:32:08 AM
Beto is the biggest attention whore I’ve ever witnessed in politics, Trump aside.

I don't get the point in dragging it out if he's decided to run. There's no benefit in waiting since he's lost so much support from a few months ago.
I suppose its the same reason why John McCain always made himself the deciding vote.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: beaver2.0 on March 12, 2019, 11:38:22 AM
If you're referring to me then no.  I was simply saying that Eric Swalwell might get a singular vote out of himself.  Maybe.
I know I was counting his vote not yours
Well I'm not even entirely sure you should count it this early.  We never know how he might vote.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 12, 2019, 12:08:37 PM
The Hill says that a "senior Democratic lawmaker" told them that he had a phone convo with Biden, who told the lawmaker that he was running, and asked for an endorsement:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/433659-exclusive-biden-to-run-for-white-house-says-dem-lawmaker

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Former Vice President Joe Biden will run for president in 2020, a senior Democratic lawmaker told The Hill on Tuesday, a move that will shake up the crowded Democratic primary field and make him the clear front-runner for his party’s nomination against President Trump.

“I’m giving it a shot,” Biden said matter-of-factly during a phone call with a House Democratic lawmaker within the past week — a conversation the congressman recounted to The Hill and interpreted as a sure sign that Biden will run in 2020.

In the brief phone call, the former vice president asked if he could bounce some campaign strategy ideas off the lawmaker and invited the lawmaker to sit down with him in person in the near future. Biden also said he hoped to have the lawmaker’s support, something the lawmaker did not commit to.

Biden responded that there was no harm if they keep talking, according to the lawmaker who spoke to The Hill on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the phone conversation.

However:

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Biden spokesman Bill Russo refuted the idea that the former vice president is absolutely running: “He has not made a final decision. No change.”
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One source familiar with Biden’s thinking says it’s all part of the former vice president’s mission “to check all boxes” before he officially announces he’s running.

“He’s basically in. He’s just running the traps, as he says,” the source said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 12, 2019, 12:11:26 PM



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 12, 2019, 04:26:39 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/12/politics/beto-orourke-2020-campaign/index.html

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Former US Rep. Beto O'Rourke is ready to "push the button" to launch his presidential campaign, with the announcement expected to first come on social media, a source familiar with his plans told CNN.

Aware that the 2020 Democratic primary is quickly taking shape, O'Rourke is set to announce his candidacy this week, rather than launching an exploratory committee.

O'Rourke is in his hometown of El Paso, Texas, this week ahead of his first trip to Iowa on Saturday. On Monday, in a short video recorded outside his house, he wore a University of Northern Iowa cap as he urged students at the school to vote in the Democratic candidate in a state Senate special election.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 12, 2019, 07:46:29 PM


If he's leaving for Iowa as early as Thursday, then I wonder if he'll announce as early as tomorrow?  (Or alternatively, in the early hours of Thursday, before getting on a plane for Iowa?)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 12, 2019, 11:24:31 PM
Moulton’s trip to South Carolina next week was already mentioned in this thread, but looks like he’ll also be traveling to New Hampshire on Saturday:

https://www.masslive.com/politics/2019/03/us-rep-seth-moulton-to-visit-new-hampshire-south-carolina-amid-2020-speculation.html

In other Moulton news, he’s come out in favor of abolishing both the electoral college and the filibuster:

https://www.masslive.com/politics/2019/03/us-rep-seth-moulton-wants-to-abolish-the-electoral-college-senate-filibuster.html

Meanwhile, Tim Ryan says that Sherrod Brown’s decision not to run for president has made Ryan more likely to do so:

https://radio.wosu.org/post/rep-tim-ryan-considering-joining-2020-presidential-race#stream/0

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“I’m looking very, very closely at it,” Ryan said. “When Sherrod Brown decided not to run, I started to look a little closer at it. Because I felt like Sherrod was talking about the issues many of us were concerned about.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Skye on March 13, 2019, 06:38:52 AM


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Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Roll Roons on March 13, 2019, 11:39:57 AM


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Ok, for a second I thought that said COONS was about to get in :P


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: PaperKooper on March 13, 2019, 12:49:48 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/13/politics/florida-mayor-wayne-messam-2020-committee (https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/13/politics/florida-mayor-wayne-messam-2020-committee)

Wayne Messam launched an exploratory committee. 


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 13, 2019, 02:20:22 PM
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/13/beto-orourke-iowa-1220465

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Beto O’Rourke has begun quietly reaching out to state Democrats in advance of his first trip to Iowa as a presumptive presidential candidate, personally calling high-profile figures in Iowa, including former Gov. Tom Vilsack, according to two sources familiar with his calls.

O’Rourke is expected to arrive in Iowa on Thursday, where he will be assisted by Norm Sterzenbach, a former executive director of the Iowa Democratic Party who recently began organizing O’Rourke’s trip.
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For O’Rourke, Sterzenbach represents a significant acquisition of talent. Starting far later than most other top-tier Democrats, O’Rourke was widely considered to be at a disadvantage in staffing and organization in early primary states.

Sterzenbach is sometimes referred to as “Mr. Caucus” in Iowa for his deep knowledge of caucus math and mechanics. He most recently worked as a consultant to the state party as it prepares to make some of the most significant changes to the caucuses in decades.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 13, 2019, 03:13:01 PM



Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on March 13, 2019, 03:28:06 PM
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Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 13, 2019, 05:49:47 PM
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/433949-orourke-strongly-signals-hes-entering-dem-primary-in-vanity-fair-interview

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Former Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-Texas) strongly signaled that he is preparing to enter the Democratic 2020 presidential primary in a new Vanity Fair interview released Wednesday.

“I want to be in it,” O’Rourke said in an interview for the April magazine cover. “Man, I’m just born to be in it, and want to do everything I humanly can for this country at this moment.”
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"You can probably tell that I want to run,” he told Vanity Fair. “I do. I think I’d be good at it.”

O’Rourke called the current political climate the “fight of our lives, not the fight-of-my-political life kind of crap.”
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The progressive star told Vanity Fair that he’s not “as concerned” anymore about a presidential campaign having a negative impact on his family.

His 10-year-old daughter, Molly, said she wants to live in the White House.

“I only want you to run if you’re gonna win,” his eldest son, 12-year-old Ulysses, said.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: TarHeelDem on March 13, 2019, 06:48:06 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 14, 2019, 12:00:08 AM
Moulton headed to Iowa on March 29:

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2019/03/13/iowa-caucus-2020-seth-moulton-travel-iowa-he-considers-presidential-run-veterans-university-of-iowa/3155846002/

de Blasio will be in New Hampshire this weekend:

https://www.insidesources.com/bill-de-blasio-bringing-his-toilet-bowl-politics-to-new-hampshire/

He also says that a run for president wouldn't prompt him to resign as mayor:

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-deblasio-presidential-run-resign-20190313-story.html


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Sestak on March 14, 2019, 12:01:47 AM
Moulton headed to Iowa on March 29:

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2019/03/13/iowa-caucus-2020-seth-moulton-travel-iowa-he-considers-presidential-run-veterans-university-of-iowa/3155846002/

de Blasio will be in New Hampshire this weekend:

https://www.insidesources.com/bill-de-blasio-bringing-his-toilet-bowl-politics-to-new-hampshire/

He also says that a run for president wouldn't prompt him to resign as mayor:

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-deblasio-presidential-run-resign-20190313-story.html


When will these guys (and Swalwell too) get a clue?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on March 14, 2019, 12:03:41 AM
Once Jail ‘Em Joe gets in the race will be set. These nobodies need to just take their stuff and go home.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 14, 2019, 09:56:06 AM
Ryan reportedly talking about a presidential run with his family, and says decision in “the next few weeks”:

https://businessjournaldaily.com/ryan-presidential-decision-coming-few-weeks/

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Appearing on CNN’s “Erin Burnett OutFront” to discuss the college admissions scandal, Ryan, D-13 Ohio, said he was looking “very closely” at a 2020 bid.

“We’re getting there,” he told host Erin Burnett. “I think the next few weeks we’re going to make a decision one way or the other.”

Ryan, who has visited early primary states and is preparing to make several stops in the industrial Midwest next week, is still discussing a potential run with his family and will make a decision in the coming weeks, communications director Michael Zetts affirmed.

Abrams:

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/abrams-says-she-ll-decide-by-april-if-she-ll-run-for-president/929968396

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"Are you considering a run for president in 2020?" Elliot asked Abrams.

"Everything is on the table, including a run for the presidency," Abrams responded. 
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Abrams said she’ll make her decision by April if she’ll run for Senate. She said it's the first decision she has to make.

"In part, because, I think it's important that I do run. I need to start working for it, and if i’m not, I've got to leave enough time for whoever is going to stand for this office to have time build their capacity," Abrams said.

That’s somewhat weird phrasing.  Almost suggesting that she’ll first make a binary choice of Senate or not, and then think about other races, including the presidency, after that.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: I Will Not Be Wrong on March 14, 2019, 10:19:19 AM
I thought at first it was Paul Ryan. I was shocked. Anyway, I am surprised that Ryan is still considering a run.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 14, 2019, 09:41:56 PM
Abrams met with Biden today:

https://www.apnews.com/0f2e21e505ea4eb8bbcd1b2ded9c2b76

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Abrams told the AP that she’s sticking to her previous commitment to announce her Senate plans in early April.

She said she’s had a series of conversations with other current and former elected officials about her options, with a key question being the practical ability of a senator to make a difference. Biden spent 36 years representing Delaware in the Senate before becoming vice president in 2009.

“My objective is to make sure I want to do that job. ... I’d not thought about the Senate before,” she said, an allusion to her still-strong ambition to be governor after already having served as minority leader in the state House.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 15, 2019, 12:20:28 AM
Bullock reiterates that while he might run for president, he has no interest in a run for Senate:

https://www.montanafreepress.org/mt-lowdown-podcast-gov-steve-bullock-looks-back-on-his-political-career-discusses-legislative-priorities-and-discusses-2020/

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Bullock acknowledged that some in his party have urged him to challenge Daines, but he thinks there are other Democrats who could take that seat. Besides, he says, he doesn’t want that job.   

“I’ve expressed all along [that] I just don’t have an interest in running for U.S. Senate,” Bullock said. “I think that my skill set, and what I’ve done, I just wouldn’t enjoy it, so I’d ruled it out.”


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 15, 2019, 10:15:18 AM
Bullock headed to NH on March 22-23:

https://www.wmur.com/article/montana-gov-steve-bullock-to-return-to-nh/26777464


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on March 15, 2019, 06:10:15 PM
Bullock reiterates that while he might run for president, he has no interest in a run for Senate:

https://www.montanafreepress.org/mt-lowdown-podcast-gov-steve-bullock-looks-back-on-his-political-career-discusses-legislative-priorities-and-discusses-2020/

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Bullock acknowledged that some in his party have urged him to challenge Daines, but he thinks there are other Democrats who could take that seat. Besides, he says, he doesn’t want that job.   

“I’ve expressed all along [that] I just don’t have an interest in running for U.S. Senate,” Bullock said. “I think that my skill set, and what I’ve done, I just wouldn’t enjoy it, so I’d ruled it out.”


Damn...Democrats really could have used another potential pickup opportunity.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ○∙◄☻Ątπ[╪AV┼cVę└ on March 15, 2019, 06:12:35 PM
Bullock reiterates that while he might run for president, he has no interest in a run for Senate:

https://www.montanafreepress.org/mt-lowdown-podcast-gov-steve-bullock-looks-back-on-his-political-career-discusses-legislative-priorities-and-discusses-2020/

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Bullock acknowledged that some in his party have urged him to challenge Daines, but he thinks there are other Democrats who could take that seat. Besides, he says, he doesn’t want that job.   

“I’ve expressed all along [that] I just don’t have an interest in running for U.S. Senate,” Bullock said. “I think that my skill set, and what I’ve done, I just wouldn’t enjoy it, so I’d ruled it out.”


Damn...Democrats really could have used another potential pickup opportunity.

And his odds in the Presidential primary are so bad that he'd have a much better chance of becoming Senator than President.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on March 15, 2019, 06:14:30 PM
Bullock reiterates that while he might run for president, he has no interest in a run for Senate:

https://www.montanafreepress.org/mt-lowdown-podcast-gov-steve-bullock-looks-back-on-his-political-career-discusses-legislative-priorities-and-discusses-2020/

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Bullock acknowledged that some in his party have urged him to challenge Daines, but he thinks there are other Democrats who could take that seat. Besides, he says, he doesn’t want that job.   

“I’ve expressed all along [that] I just don’t have an interest in running for U.S. Senate,” Bullock said. “I think that my skill set, and what I’ve done, I just wouldn’t enjoy it, so I’d ruled it out.”


Damn...Democrats really could have used another potential pickup opportunity.

And his odds in the Presidential primary are so bad that he'd have a much better chance of becoming Senator than President.

Exactly. That would have been a much better move for him and the Democratic Party as a whole. It also would have enabled a future run for President if he got elected.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 15, 2019, 10:10:46 PM
de Blasio asked about 2020 at about the 12:45 mark here:

https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/de-blasio-nyc-would-have-worked-with-amazon-to-resolve-issues-1458682435699

and simply answers “I have not ruled it out.”

Also, there’s a new Tim Ryan profile here:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/ohio-democrat-tim-ryan-might-run-president-2020/584782/


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: ibagli on March 16, 2019, 07:21:54 AM
Tim Ryan has almost run for governor, what, three times? So who can deny he has the experience needed to almost run for president?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 16, 2019, 10:52:52 AM
Gillum was on Real Time with Bill Maher last night, and seemed to know the Iowa poll results pretty well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssSecquxZ0U


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on March 16, 2019, 01:00:13 PM
Tim Ryan has almost run for governor, what, three times? So who can deny he has the experience needed to almost run for president?

He has almost enough.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: AltWorlder on March 16, 2019, 05:43:33 PM
Will Larry Hogan run or will Bill Weld be the only notable Republican (sort of) to primary Trump?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 16, 2019, 09:04:48 PM
Moulton says he’ll decide on a presidential run in the next 4-6 weeks:

https://www.wmur.com/article/inslee-moulton-and-de-blasio-visit-nh/26845983

Biden:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-17/biden-makes-verbal-slip-as-he-almost-refers-himself-as-candidate?srnd=premium

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Former Vice President Joe Biden made a verbal slip on Saturday and almost referred to himself as a presidential candidate as he edges toward entering the race for the 2020 Democratic nomination. 

“I have the most progressive record of anybody running,” he told a room full of family and friends gathered for a Delaware Democratic Party dinner, stopping himself just before he referred to what he might be running for. The home state crowd responded with cheers, and after a few seconds playing up the situation, he added, “anybody who would run.”
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Biden suggested that if he runs, he’ll propose a “new corporate ethic.” He didn’t get into details but said “you’re going to hear a hell of a lot about it from me.”

Abrams talks 2020, including, again, the unusual decision flowchart she’s alluded to before, where she plans to first make a binary choice about running for Senate, then followed by deliberation about a presidential run:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-the-democratic-field-grows-stacey-abrams-weighs-a-presidential-race/2019/03/16/82a77ec8-475c-11e9-aaf8-4512a6fe3439_story.html

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“I think that I am a skilled communicator,” she said. “I think I’m a very good thinker. No, I know I’m a good thinker. I know I have policy chops. I have foreign policy experience. . . . I’ve done a great deal of work on a number of issues. But I need to make certain that I am the best person at this moment for that job and that’s what I need to think about.”

Abrams says she is not an impulsive politician. She is methodical in her thinking and her analysis. Running for president has been in the back of her mind for many years, though not a race in 2020. Candidates for president don’t always get to pick their moment. Abrams’s gubernatorial race has provided an unexpected opportunity to consider a White House bid. But time is pressing in on her.
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Abrams has been pushed hard by Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and many of his colleagues to challenge incumbent Sen. David Perdue (R-Ga.) next year. If she isn’t going to do that, she knows she owes it to her party to make that known soon. She said she expects to decide about a Senate campaign by early April. If the answer to that is no, she will then turn immediately to the question of running for president.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on March 16, 2019, 09:06:12 PM
Gillum was on Real Time with Bill Maher last night, and seemed to know the Iowa poll results pretty well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssSecquxZ0U


I have a theory that the reason why so many random people are jumping in is because they think the more candidates that run, the higher their chances are of breaking out.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Harlow on March 16, 2019, 09:52:42 PM
Biden:

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“I have the most progressive record of anybody running,”

Ohhh, so he's going for the comedy tour angle.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 17, 2019, 10:49:57 AM
de Blasio in NH:

https://nypost.com/2019/03/16/de-blasio-continues-to-tease-presidential-run-in-new-hampshire/

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Mayor Bill de Blasio took his presidential tease tour to a new audience Saturday, coming to this key early presidential contest – but again refusing to answer the key question: When will he decide if the White House is a better fit than Gracie Mansion?

“Sooner rather than later,” de Blasio said, reiterating an answer he and First Lady Chirlane McCray have given repeatedly in recent days.

And no matter the way reporters phrased the question, de Blasio wouldn’t budge.

“Sooner rather than later,” he again reiterated.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Famous Mortimer on March 17, 2019, 09:10:02 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/13/politics/florida-mayor-wayne-messam-2020-committee (https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/13/politics/florida-mayor-wayne-messam-2020-committee)

Wayne Messam launched an exploratory committee. 

lol no one even bothered to make fun of this


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 17, 2019, 09:52:29 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/13/politics/florida-mayor-wayne-messam-2020-committee (https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/13/politics/florida-mayor-wayne-messam-2020-committee)

Wayne Messam launched an exploratory committee. 

lol no one even bothered to make fun of this

There's a thread about it here:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=315753.0

And "What are Messam's chances in Iowa?" here:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=315790.0


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: GAProgressive on March 18, 2019, 12:20:14 AM
De Blasio speaking at AIPAC feels like it's building up to something.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 18, 2019, 09:57:43 AM
New Hogan interview, in which he says he might not decide on 2020 until the fall:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-havent-abandoned-my-principles-hogan-pondering-challenge-to-trump-casts-himself-as-a-traditional-republican/2019/03/17/3862b274-48d3-11e9-9663-00ac73f49662_story.html

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He said he remains undecided about a White House run and may hold off on deciding until the fall, waiting to see how investigations of Trump unfold and whether Republican voters eventually clamor for an alternative.

“The whole country is waiting for this to come out,” Hogan said, referring to the findings of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, who has been investigating Russian interference in the 2016 campaign and possible obstruction of justice, and is expected to finish his inquiry soon. But, the governor added, “don’t get the impression that I’m sitting here like this vulture waiting for some bad news.”

In the meantime, Hogan, a cancer survivor and gregarious pol, is chiseling his political persona into 2020 shape — and is taking steps to introduce himself to Republican voters nationally. He has accepted an invitation to speak next month in New Hampshire, home to the first-in-the-nation primary, and spent two days in early March in Iowa, the first caucus state.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on March 18, 2019, 07:02:55 PM
The fall will be too late for Hogan. He's not big of enough of a national figure to make up the difference in time for NH. I suspect he's leaning against running. Sure, running a scampaign against a uniformly popular incumbent (among Republicans, I mean) could make him some money I guess, but he seems like he has bigger problems to worry about than money,


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 18, 2019, 11:56:24 PM
Looks like Terry McAuliffe has an event in South Carolina tomorrow:

https://secure.ngpvan.com/4Wli09LOwEm2gV-P9Ep6XA2?midqs=PxjwZcvdyifjZh0-XV09Kw==

(As spotted by the Washington Examiner: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/terry-mcauliffe-to-travel-to-south-carolina-ahead-of-looming-2020-decision )


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 19, 2019, 10:22:36 AM
Biden:

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/politics-nation/2019/03/18/former-Vice-President-Joe-Biden-endorsements-message-2020-Democratic-race/stories/201903180154

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As he prepares for a possible run, Mr. Biden has hunkered down for strategy sessions with a tight knit group of advisers and held meetings with top Democrats and elected officials. One subject of discussion has been the early selection of a running mate, which one aide said would help keep the focus of the primary fight on the ultimate goal of unseating Mr. Trump.

Last week, Mr. Biden stirred speculation as he met privately with Stacey Abrams, a Democratic rising star who ran for governor in Georgia last fall and is weighing another run for office -- potentially even the presidency. Mr. Biden requested the meeting, according to a person familiar with the sit-down, which comes as the two mull their own respective political futures. Ms. Abrams also huddled with a half-dozen other Democratic presidential hopefuls, but her meeting with Mr. Biden takes on added weight because of his attempts to shore up support among black leaders amid lingering questions about his treatment of Anita Hill during the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings and his support for a sweeping crime bill two decades ago.

Mr. Biden's team has started gaming out scenarios for what a campaign launch could look like with Wilmington, Delaware, and Scranton, Pennsylvania, where Mr. Biden was born, among several potential locations floated for an announcement rally, a source with knowledge of the discussions said. While the rest of the Democratic field settles into place, Mr. Biden's allies say the former vice president is keenly aware of the attention any announcement will draw.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on March 19, 2019, 11:24:53 AM
Biden:

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/politics-nation/2019/03/18/former-Vice-President-Joe-Biden-endorsements-message-2020-Democratic-race/stories/201903180154

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As he prepares for a possible run, Mr. Biden has hunkered down for strategy sessions with a tight knit group of advisers and held meetings with top Democrats and elected officials. One subject of discussion has been the early selection of a running mate, which one aide said would help keep the focus of the primary fight on the ultimate goal of unseating Mr. Trump.

Last week, Mr. Biden stirred speculation as he met privately with Stacey Abrams, a Democratic rising star who ran for governor in Georgia last fall and is weighing another run for office -- potentially even the presidency. Mr. Biden requested the meeting, according to a person familiar with the sit-down, which comes as the two mull their own respective political futures. Ms. Abrams also huddled with a half-dozen other Democratic presidential hopefuls, but her meeting with Mr. Biden takes on added weight because of his attempts to shore up support among black leaders amid lingering questions about his treatment of Anita Hill during the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings and his support for a sweeping crime bill two decades ago.

Mr. Biden's team has started gaming out scenarios for what a campaign launch could look like with Wilmington, Delaware, and Scranton, Pennsylvania, where Mr. Biden was born, among several potential locations floated for an announcement rally, a source with knowledge of the discussions said. While the rest of the Democratic field settles into place, Mr. Biden's allies say the former vice president is keenly aware of the attention any announcement will draw.


Is he just trying to preempt the field and act like he’s already won?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on March 19, 2019, 02:18:56 PM
Anything new on Gillum?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Harlow on March 19, 2019, 02:24:45 PM

Announcement coming tomorrow.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-ne-nsf-andrew-gillum-tease-20190319-story.html

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After a surprise primary election victory, the former Tallahassee mayor had hoped to make Florida history by becoming the state’s first black governor. DeSantis dashed those dreams, but the campaign skyrocketed Gillum onto the national stage.

Despite the loss, Gillum’s been rumored to be considering a run for president in an already-crowded Democratic field.

Will that be the “major announcement” coming Wednesday in Miami, or will Gillum throw his support behind one of the other contenders?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: An American Tail: Fubart Goes West on March 19, 2019, 02:58:04 PM

Announcement coming tomorrow.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-ne-nsf-andrew-gillum-tease-20190319-story.html

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After a surprise primary election victory, the former Tallahassee mayor had hoped to make Florida history by becoming the state’s first black governor. DeSantis dashed those dreams, but the campaign skyrocketed Gillum onto the national stage.

Despite the loss, Gillum’s been rumored to be considering a run for president in an already-crowded Democratic field.

Will that be the “major announcement” coming Wednesday in Miami, or will Gillum throw his support behind one of the other contenders?

He’s gonna primary Shalala.

Source: My *ss, but I think it would be funny


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: AltWorlder on March 19, 2019, 04:55:28 PM
Is Richard Vague still running?


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: TarHeelDem on March 19, 2019, 05:16:11 PM


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: #TheShadowyAbyss on March 19, 2019, 05:51:41 PM
Biden should really either announce or get out of the way, him holding his decision is getting old really fast.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 19, 2019, 08:16:10 PM
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/joe-biden-tells-backers-he-plans-on-2020-presidential-run-2019-03-19

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Former Vice President Joe Biden reached out to at least a half-dozen supporters Tuesday to tell them he intends to run for president and to ask for their help in lining up contributions from major donors so he can quickly raise several million dollars, said a person familiar with the matter.

Biden has expressed concern to these people that he wouldn’t be able to raise millions of dollars in online donations immediately the way some other Democratic candidates have, including former Texas Rep. Beto O’Rourke and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, this person said. O’Rourke raised $6.1 million in the 24 hours after his announcement, while Sanders collected $5.9 million in the same period.

Biden wants to announce a large fundraising number after his candidacy is official to better compete in what is often dubbed the “money primary” that kicks off a presidential season.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: OneJ on March 19, 2019, 08:43:30 PM
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/joe-biden-tells-backers-he-plans-on-2020-presidential-run-2019-03-19

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Former Vice President Joe Biden reached out to at least a half-dozen supporters Tuesday to tell them he intends to run for president and to ask for their help in lining up contributions from major donors so he can quickly raise several million dollars, said a person familiar with the matter.

Biden has expressed concern to these people that he wouldn’t be able to raise millions of dollars in online donations immediately the way some other Democratic candidates have, including former Texas Rep. Beto O’Rourke and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, this person said. O’Rourke raised $6.1 million in the 24 hours after his announcement, while Sanders collected $5.9 million in the same period.

Biden wants to announce a large fundraising number after his candidacy is official to better compete in what is often dubbed the “money primary” that kicks off a presidential season.


This is another problem I have with Joe.

Because of him reaching out to who I presume to be a few, yet pretty ”big” supporters of Biden will likely inflate his $ numbers which I assume will most likely surpass Beto and Bernie’s although Beto still hasn’t announced his number of donors. Biden better hope his numbers aren’t disappointing.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on March 19, 2019, 09:10:20 PM
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/joe-biden-tells-backers-he-plans-on-2020-presidential-run-2019-03-19

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Former Vice President Joe Biden reached out to at least a half-dozen supporters Tuesday to tell them he intends to run for president and to ask for their help in lining up contributions from major donors so he can quickly raise several million dollars, said a person familiar with the matter.

Biden has expressed concern to these people that he wouldn’t be able to raise millions of dollars in online donations immediately the way some other Democratic candidates have, including former Texas Rep. Beto O’Rourke and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, this person said. O’Rourke raised $6.1 million in the 24 hours after his announcement, while Sanders collected $5.9 million in the same period.

Biden wants to announce a large fundraising number after his candidacy is official to better compete in what is often dubbed the “money primary” that kicks off a presidential season.

Pathetic. The people don't want you. Once thing gets into full swing he's going down.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Boobs on March 19, 2019, 09:37:32 PM
Mike Gravel is...considering...running. (http://mikegravel.org/home)


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Skunk on March 19, 2019, 09:43:02 PM
Mike Gravel is...considering...running. (http://mikegravel.org/home)
This is the best timeline.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: An American Tail: Fubart Goes West on March 19, 2019, 09:43:15 PM
Mike Gravel is...considering...running. (http://mikegravel.org/home)

Bah Gawd! That’s... Mike Gravel’s music!?!?

Didn’t see that one coming, I have to say. I hope that he goes through with it.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Boobs on March 19, 2019, 09:43:54 PM
Mike Gravel is...considering...running. (http://mikegravel.org/home)

Bah Gawd! That’s... Mike Gravel’s music!?!?

Didn’t see that one coming, I have to say. I hope that he goes through with it.

He's just trying to elbow out Begich.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: RussFeingoldWasRobbed on March 19, 2019, 09:44:19 PM
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/joe-biden-tells-backers-he-plans-on-2020-presidential-run-2019-03-19

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Former Vice President Joe Biden reached out to at least a half-dozen supporters Tuesday to tell them he intends to run for president and to ask for their help in lining up contributions from major donors so he can quickly raise several million dollars, said a person familiar with the matter.

Biden has expressed concern to these people that he wouldn’t be able to raise millions of dollars in online donations immediately the way some other Democratic candidates have, including former Texas Rep. Beto O’Rourke and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, this person said. O’Rourke raised $6.1 million in the 24 hours after his announcement, while Sanders collected $5.9 million in the same period.

Biden wants to announce a large fundraising number after his candidacy is official to better compete in what is often dubbed the “money primary” that kicks off a presidential season.

Pathetic. The people don't want you. Once thing gets into full swing he's going down.
I hope your right


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Harlow on March 19, 2019, 09:49:05 PM
Mike Gravel is...considering...running. (http://mikegravel.org/home)

Ahhhh I wish I was old enough to vote for him the first time he ran. I really like that he's not aiming to win but instead get a bold progressive voice into the debates.

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If he were to run, he would aim not to win, but instead to qualify for the 2020 Democratic debates in order to send a message that no other candidate, not even Bernie Sanders or Tulsi Gabbard, is willing to issue.

All of the policies listed on that website are perfect. I'd be donating to him and asking everyone I know to as well.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: An American Tail: Fubart Goes West on March 19, 2019, 09:54:08 PM
Mike Gravel is...considering...running. (http://mikegravel.org/home)

Bah Gawd! That’s... Mike Gravel’s music!?!?

Didn’t see that one coming, I have to say. I hope that he goes through with it.

He's just trying to elbow out Begich.

Damn, you’re right! The wrong Alaskan former Senator might be running!


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Boobs on March 19, 2019, 09:56:34 PM
Mike Gravel is...considering...running. (http://mikegravel.org/home)

Bah Gawd! That’s... Mike Gravel’s music!?!?

Didn’t see that one coming, I have to say. I hope that he goes through with it.

He's just trying to elbow out Begich.

Damn, you’re right! The wrong Alaskan former Senator might be running!

Mike Gravel is not a delicious little morsel.


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 19, 2019, 11:02:36 PM
McAuliffe says he’ll decide on 2020 “in the next couple of weeks”:

https://www.nbc29.com/story/40161045/ex-governor-mcauliffe-says-decision-coming-soon-on-2020-run



Also from that story: Philadelphia is the leading contender for Biden’s campaign HQ:

https://twitter.com/KThomasDC/status/1108182065995018242


Title: Re: The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 19, 2019, 11:33:40 PM
This thread has maxed out on length, so I'm locking and moving to the next one:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=316215.0