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Title: ME-Pan Atlantic Research: Janet Mills (D) heading for the win
Post by: Tender Branson on October 19, 2018, 02:42:45 PM
44% Janet Mills (D)
36% Shawn Moody (R)
  8% Terry Hayes (I)
  2% Alan Caron (I)

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/Pan_Atlantic_Research_Maine.pdf


Title: Re: ME-Pan Atlantic Research: Janet Mills (D) heading for the win
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on October 19, 2018, 02:45:23 PM
But I thought Maine was a red state now...

Collins vote to affirm Kavanaugh has damaged Moody's chances


Title: Re: ME-Pan Atlantic Research: Janet Mills (D) heading for the win
Post by: Xing on October 19, 2018, 02:45:40 PM
Glad we’re at least getting a little more data on this race. I might move this to Lean D.


Title: Re: ME-Pan Atlantic Research: Janet Mills (D) heading for the win
Post by: psychprofessor on October 19, 2018, 02:46:44 PM
If I could vote for Janet Mills I would - whether or not you agree with her policies she just seems like a stand up person. Maine is going to be lucky to have her undo the LePage legacy.


Title: Re: ME-Pan Atlantic Research: Janet Mills (D) heading for the win
Post by: Senator Incitatus on October 19, 2018, 02:47:18 PM
But I thought Maine was a red state now...

Collins vote to affirm Kavanaugh has damaged Moody's chances

Polling of ME-02 (admittedly the more conservative half of the state) shows that Collins's vote is approved by a wide margin. It's hard to imagine that it would be as radically opposed in ME-01, which would be necessary for it to have any negative effect on statewide Republicans.

This has nothing to do with Collins and everything to do with LePage.


Title: Re: ME-Pan Atlantic Research: Janet Mills (D) heading for the win
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on October 19, 2018, 02:49:29 PM
But, Pingree is gonna challenge Collins in 2020, and most likely win


Title: Re: ME-Pan Atlantic Research: Janet Mills (D) heading for the win
Post by: MT Treasurer on October 19, 2018, 02:49:34 PM
Still a Toss-up for now, but Mills is probably slightly favored at this point.

Also lol@Kavanaugh dooming Collins, her favorability in this poll is +30.1%.


Title: Re: ME-Pan Atlantic Research: Janet Mills (D) heading for the win
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on October 19, 2018, 02:50:20 PM
Still a Toss-up for now, but Mills is probably slightly favored at this point.

Also lol@Kavanaugh dooming Collins, her favorability in this poll is +30.1%.

She doesn't have a challenger yet, and we will see about that when Pingree announces a challenger to her


Title: Re: ME-Pan Atlantic Research: Janet Mills (D) heading for the win
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on October 19, 2018, 03:09:54 PM
Holt shit she’s actually up by 8


Title: Re: ME-Pan Atlantic Research: Janet Mills (D) heading for the win
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on October 19, 2018, 04:05:19 PM
But I thought Maine was a red state now...

Collins vote to affirm Kavanaugh has damaged Moody's chances

Polling of ME-02 (admittedly the more conservative half of the state) shows that Collins's vote is approved by a wide margin. It's hard to imagine that it would be as radically opposed in ME-01, which would be necessary for it to have any negative effect on statewide Republicans.

This has nothing to do with Collins and everything to do with LePage.
The NYT sample seemed Republican leaning (it actually polled more Republicans and Democrats still have a registration advantage there).


Title: Re: ME-Pan Atlantic Research: Janet Mills (D) heading for the win
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on October 19, 2018, 04:30:58 PM
Mills leading the 2nd district is probably good news for Golden


Title: Re: ME-Pan Atlantic Research: Janet Mills (D) heading for the win
Post by: wesmoorenerd on October 19, 2018, 04:35:31 PM
Lean D, closer to Likely than Tossup. I realistically don't see this one going for the Rs. It's not guaranteed like IL, NM, or MI, but a Moody win is highly likely IMO.


Title: Re: ME-Pan Atlantic Research: Janet Mills (D) heading for the win
Post by: KingSweden on October 19, 2018, 04:39:22 PM
Unless there’s some kind of crazy herding going on in think Mills is up by 8, folks


Title: Re: ME-Pan Atlantic Research: Janet Mills (D) heading for the win
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on October 19, 2018, 04:44:58 PM
Unless there’s some kind of crazy herding going on in think Mills is up by 8, folks
*nods excitedly*

Moody has not united Republicans (I guess joining the party a few days before you announce your campaign isn’t good strategy), and Democrats are not defecting their candidate.


Title: Re: ME-Pan Atlantic Research: Janet Mills (D) heading for the win
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 19, 2018, 07:23:13 PM

What is it, the fourth poll where she's up by exactly 8? That's odd.


Title: Re: ME-Pan Atlantic Research: Janet Mills (D) heading for the win
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on October 19, 2018, 07:27:04 PM

What is it, the fourth poll where she's led by exactly 8? That's odd.
Third, but they've all been released consecutively and in the last few weeks.

Slingshot Strategies, a Hayes internal, found Mills to be at 41 with Moody at 33, Hayes at 10 and Caron at 2.

Change Research found Mills at 52 with Moody at 44 in the H2H, and apparently didn't poll the independents.

And now Pan Atlantic.


Title: Re: ME-Pan Atlantic Research: Janet Mills (D) heading for the win
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 19, 2018, 07:43:52 PM

What is it, the fourth poll where she's led by exactly 8? That's odd.
Third, but they've all been released consecutively and in the last few weeks.

Slingshot Strategies, a Hayes internal, found Mills to be at 41 with Moody at 33, Hayes at 10 and Caron at 2.

Change Research found Mills at 52 with Moody at 44 in the H2H, and apparently didn't poll the independents.

And now Pan Atlantic.

Even if Mills is in fact up by 8, you should see different poll results just by virtue of random variance (let alone the fact that they were designed so differently).


Title: Re: ME-Pan Atlantic Research: Janet Mills (D) heading for the win
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on October 19, 2018, 09:20:37 PM
PanAtlantic predicted a LePage 7 point margin in 2014. LePage ended up winning by 5.



This might be the Pan Atlantic might be the Marquette of Maine.


Title: Re: ME-Pan Atlantic Research: Janet Mills (D) heading for the win
Post by: IceSpear on October 20, 2018, 05:53:47 AM
Great poll!

I'd feel a lot better about this race if it had IRV though.


Title: Re: ME-Pan Atlantic Research: Janet Mills (D) heading for the win
Post by: Horsemask on October 22, 2018, 05:50:04 PM
Wow, it is actually Lean D


Title: Re: ME-Pan Atlantic Research: Janet Mills (D) heading for the win
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on October 22, 2018, 07:28:06 PM
Perhaps Mills wasn't such a bad candidate after all.


Title: Re: ME-Pan Atlantic Research: Janet Mills (D) heading for the win
Post by: IceSpear on October 22, 2018, 07:30:40 PM
Perhaps Mills wasn't such a bad candidate after all.

Atlas assumes anyone with a vagina is a bad candidate.

Seriously, notice whenever Atlas is bashing someone's "candidate quality", it is almost always a woman. The only exceptions are for over the top offensively bad male candidates like Roy Moore, Bob Menendez, etc.

Ex: Jacky Rosen is a bad candidate because she has a bad haircut and is uninspiring. Donna Shalala is a bad candidate because she doesn't speak Spanish. Randy Bryce is a great candidate despite his multiple arrests, multiple DUIs, delinquent child support payments, etc. because he's a #populist <3 white man.


Title: Re: ME-Pan Atlantic Research: Janet Mills (D) heading for the win
Post by: Comrade Funk on October 23, 2018, 10:28:08 AM
Perhaps Mills wasn't such a bad candidate after all.

Atlas assumes anyone with a vagina is a bad candidate.

Seriously, notice whenever Atlas is bashing someone's "candidate quality", it is almost always a woman. The only exceptions are for over the top offensively bad male candidates like Roy Moore, Bob Menendez, etc.

Ex: Jacky Rosen is a bad candidate because she has a bad haircut and is uninspiring. Donna Shalala is a bad candidate because she doesn't speak Spanish. Randy Bryce is a great candidate despite his multiple arrests, multiple DUIs, delinquent child support payments, etc. because he's a #populist <3 white man.
Wait until the 2020 primaries and then you'll see the same thing x10


Title: Re: ME-Pan Atlantic Research: Janet Mills (D) heading for the win
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on October 23, 2018, 10:29:56 AM
Perhaps Mills wasn't such a bad candidate after all.

Atlas assumes anyone with a vagina is a bad candidate.

Seriously, notice whenever Atlas is bashing someone's "candidate quality", it is almost always a woman. The only exceptions are for over the top offensively bad male candidates like Roy Moore, Bob Menendez, etc.

Ex: Jacky Rosen is a bad candidate because she has a bad haircut and is uninspiring. Donna Shalala is a bad candidate because she doesn't speak Spanish. Randy Bryce is a great candidate despite his multiple arrests, multiple DUIs, delinquent child support payments, etc. because he's a #populist <3 white man.
Wait until the 2020 primaries and then you'll see the same thing x10

This entire thread x 1000


Title: Re: ME-Pan Atlantic Research: Janet Mills (D) heading for the win
Post by: Alabama_Indy10 on October 23, 2018, 10:30:20 AM
Dang. On an unrelated note, I just looked at the Wikipedia page for this race and Moody's picture looks like a mugshot lol


Title: Re: ME-Pan Atlantic Research: Janet Mills (D) heading for the win
Post by: Adam Griffin on October 23, 2018, 10:33:37 AM
Perhaps Mills wasn't such a bad candidate after all.

Atlas assumes anyone with a vagina is a bad candidate.

Seriously, notice whenever Atlas is bashing someone's "candidate quality", it is almost always a woman. The only exceptions are for over the top offensively bad male candidates like Roy Moore, Bob Menendez, etc.

Ex: Jacky Rosen is a bad candidate because she has a bad haircut and is uninspiring. Donna Shalala is a bad candidate because she doesn't speak Spanish. Randy Bryce is a great candidate despite his multiple arrests, multiple DUIs, delinquent child support payments, etc. because he's a #populist <3 white man.

Given that the average female candidate under-performs the average male candidate by 1-2 points, it's not an inherently wrong position in general terms. Just imagine how different things might have been with Howard Clinton winning the PV by 3-4 points.


Title: Re: ME-Pan Atlantic Research: Janet Mills (D) heading for the win
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on October 23, 2018, 01:24:57 PM
Perhaps Mills wasn't such a bad candidate after all.
Moody’s actually turned out to be a shit candidate. Mills has done an excellent job uniting the left (her featuring Betsy Sweet whenever she can is certainly a positive in that regard), much better than I expected. Hayes running to the right also helped. She’s also come off really well in debates, making me wonder if she got some professional help there, as she was kind of shit at debates during the primary.

Moody has really failed to effectively attack Mills and her tenure as AG. He could’ve concern-trolled about her stance on water rights, which the tribes are still incensed about, and he didn’t. He could’ve accused her of politicizing the office in her vigorous battles against LePage, and didn’t. His entire schtick has been “muh taxes.” He's also become distracted by Hayes’s right-leaning candidacy, and now has to fight her off to keep from dropping even more.

Mills also runs more ads than Moody, and hers are (largely) positive — or at least I’ve seen her run positive ads, and I haven’t seen Moody run one.

So half of this is Mills being a better candidate than we thought, and the other half is Moody being an abysmal candidate.


Title: Re: ME-Pan Atlantic Research: Janet Mills (D) heading for the win
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on October 23, 2018, 01:47:20 PM
To my larger point, this is from a friend of mine:



Moody hasn’t done a good job reaching out to the right. Hayes and Caron are inept.