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Title: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: TheRocketRaccoon on October 26, 2018, 12:04:06 AM
https://www.texastribune.org/2018/10/26/ut-tt-poll-ted-cruz-leads-beto-orourke-texas-senate/

Cruz 51
O'Rourke 45


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on October 26, 2018, 12:04:49 AM
Looks exactly right.


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: jamestroll on October 26, 2018, 12:07:16 AM
Okay we get it. Cruz is ahead by mid single digits.

Can we get non internal polls out of Indiana and Missouri now?


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on October 26, 2018, 12:08:06 AM
Okay we get it. Cruz is ahead by mid single digits.

Can we get non internal polls out of Indiana and Missouri now?

and WV


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: Xing on October 26, 2018, 12:12:44 AM
Okay we get it. Cruz is ahead by mid single digits.

Can we get non internal polls out of Indiana and Missouri now?

and WV

Like you'd believe WV polls, lol.


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on October 26, 2018, 12:15:52 AM
Okay we get it. Cruz is ahead by mid single digits.

Can we get non internal polls out of Indiana and Missouri now?

and WV

Like you'd believe WV polls, lol.

Not unless they look right, but I'd still like to see more.


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: IceSpear on October 26, 2018, 12:15:59 AM
Fake news, they didn't poll my Beto lawn sign.


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: henster on October 26, 2018, 12:21:03 AM
And Beto is net negative in favorability(44/49) while Cruz is (51/44)....so much for running only positive ads.


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: Xing on October 26, 2018, 12:21:24 AM
Fake news, they didn't poll my Beto lawn sign.

They probably didn't poll its megacoattails either, huh?


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: IceSpear on October 26, 2018, 12:22:31 AM
And Beto is net negative in favorability(44/49) while Cruz is (51/44)....so much for running only positive ads.

Or "so much for the idea of Texas seeing any Democrat favorably or any Republican unfavorably in the year 2018."

I mean, they haven't elected a statewide Democrat since like 1992, right? This is hardly a new phenomenon. It's actually impressive Beto is doing as well as he is. But a win was always a pipe dream. As in you had to be smoking some good pipe to dream it.


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: IceSpear on October 26, 2018, 12:29:56 AM
The other Republicans down ballot are winning by double digits, even corrupt insane trash like Dan Patrick and Ken Paxton. But I'm sure Beto's 6 point deficit is only because he ran ads that Atlas didn't approve of and he could be winning if only he hired Atlas Production Studios. ::)


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: jamestroll on October 26, 2018, 12:32:18 AM
1994 was the last time they actually won statewide office.

2002 was the last competitive race in which John Sharp obtained 46% of the vote for Lt. Governor.

His map would not resemble anything like Beto's win today. Sharp did not even get Harris County.


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on October 26, 2018, 12:43:18 AM
Valdez is weighing down Dems down the ballot.


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: OSR stands with Israel on October 26, 2018, 12:48:01 AM
Can we get MO and IN polls instead


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: IceSpear on October 26, 2018, 12:48:59 AM
Valdez is weighing down Dems down the ballot.

LOL, Atlas always finds a way to blame a woman somehow. Now Valdez's Weak Candidatails™ are a thing.


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: OSR stands with Israel on October 26, 2018, 12:49:53 AM
Valdez is weighing down Dems down the ballot.

LMAO

Beto is the only reason Valdez isnt losing by even a larger margin.


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on October 26, 2018, 12:50:18 AM
She's too far left for TX Politics


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: Doimper on October 26, 2018, 12:56:12 AM
olawakandi is the completely sincere KenM of Atlas


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on October 26, 2018, 01:03:31 AM
Despite this poll, Beto is campaigning in TX and this isn't the end to be all. FL, NV, TX, and AZ underestimate Black and Latino strength. Even in OH GOV, McConnell has a 25% approval and Trump is ethically challenged, in a Dem wave year


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: IceSpear on October 26, 2018, 01:05:51 AM
Despite this poll, Beto is campaigning in TX and this isn't the end to be all.

You don't say? I thought for sure Beto would drop out and endorse Cruz after seeing this poll!


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: Calthrina950 on October 26, 2018, 01:26:44 AM
And Beto is net negative in favorability(44/49) while Cruz is (51/44)....so much for running only positive ads.

Or "so much for the idea of Texas seeing any Democrat favorably or any Republican unfavorably in the year 2018."

I mean, they haven't elected a statewide Democrat since like 1992, right? This is hardly a new phenomenon. It's actually impressive Beto is doing as well as he is. But a win was always a pipe dream. As in you had to be smoking some good pipe to dream it.

Texas remains a firmly Republican state. I don't think Democrats will win a statewide election here for several more years, and it will probably not go Democratic at the presidential level until the 2030s at the earliest. A lot of time and money has been wasted by the party that could have been invested into more winnable races, like Arizona and Nevada.


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 26, 2018, 01:30:46 AM
Okay we get it. Cruz is ahead by mid single digits.

Can we get non internal polls out of Indiana and Missouri now?


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️ on October 26, 2018, 06:08:55 AM
Fake news, they didn't poll my Beto lawn sign.

They probably didn't poll its megacoattails either, huh?

It is true, there are large #s of Beto signs and T-shirts outside of Texas.


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️ on October 26, 2018, 06:12:28 AM

The University of Texas and Texas Tribune are unlikely to poll MO or IN.


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on October 26, 2018, 08:31:05 AM

The University of Texas and Texas Tribune are unlikely to poll MO or IN.

McCaskill is probably done. But, in TX, a Democratic can make up a 5 point deficit with Latinos and Blacks


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: Sir Mohamed on October 26, 2018, 08:49:41 AM
Lean R. Cruz probably has this, but Beto can win an upset.


Despite this poll, Beto is campaigning in TX and this isn't the end to be all. FL, NV, TX, and AZ underestimate Black and Latino strength. Even in OH GOV, McConnell has a 25% approval and Trump is ethically challenged, in a Dem wave year

What? This is the most weird post I ever read on this forum. A high quality #analysis fully on topic of the thread.


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: MT Treasurer on October 26, 2018, 09:07:19 AM
Likely R race remains Likely R, no need to poll this anymore. Next.


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: Sir Mohamed on October 26, 2018, 09:14:31 AM
Likely R race remains Likely R, no need to poll this anymore. Next.

Everything in mid-single digits is not "likely R/D", it's lean at best. They need to continue polling here. It makes more sense than these garbage CA-Gov polls, that are dumped all the time.


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: User157088589849 on October 26, 2018, 09:18:34 AM
Texas is more likely to cote democrat than California is to vote Republican. The 2020 nominee must campaign here not just for money but to keep the grassroots motivated. It will happen.


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: MT Treasurer on October 26, 2018, 09:31:30 AM
Likely R race remains Likely R, no need to poll this anymore. Next.

Everything in mid-single digits is not "likely R/D", it's lean at best. They need to continue polling here. It makes more sense than these garbage CA-Gov polls, that are dumped all the time.

So why is MT-SEN not Lean D at best, then?

We’ve gotten more than enough polls of this race showing Cruz with a mid to (more often) high single-digit lead and–more importantly–above 50%, while O'Rourke has only led in like two out of 30 polls of this race, and those were junk polls anyway (Reuters and TX Lyceum, IIRC?). Even Democratic-leaning pollsters have shown Cruz with a consistent advantage in this race. Barring a Democratic tidal wave of historic proportions, his seat isn’t going to flip, and I maintain that Heitkamp and Bredesen are more likely to win than O'Rourke.


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: Skye on October 26, 2018, 09:33:50 AM
Likely R race remains Likely R, no need to poll this anymore. Next.

Everything in mid-single digits is not "likely R/D", it's lean at best. They need to continue polling here. It makes more sense than these garbage CA-Gov polls, that are dumped all the time.

So why is MT-SEN not Lean D at best, then?

We’ve gotten more than enough polls of this race showing Cruz with a mid to (more often) high single-digit lead and–more importantly–above 50%, while O'Rourke has only led in like two out of 30 polls of this race, and those were junk polls anyway (Reuters and TX Lyceum, IIRC?). Even Democratic-leaning pollsters have shown Cruz with a consistent advantage in this race. Barring a Democratic tidal wave of historic proportions, his seat isn’t going to flip, and I maintain that Heitkamp and Bredesen are more likely to win than O'Rourke.

Pretty much.

Barring some unforeseen development in these final days, Cruz is probably going to be reelected.


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: Sir Mohamed on October 26, 2018, 09:40:04 AM
Likely R race remains Likely R, no need to poll this anymore. Next.

Everything in mid-single digits is not "likely R/D", it's lean at best. They need to continue polling here. It makes more sense than these garbage CA-Gov polls, that are dumped all the time.

So why is MT-SEN not Lean D at best, then?

We’ve gotten more than enough polls of this race showing Cruz with a mid to (more often) high single-digit lead and–more importantly–above 50%, while O'Rourke has only led in like two out of 30 polls of this race, and those were junk polls anyway (Reuters and TX Lyceum, IIRC?). Even Democratic-leaning pollsters have shown Cruz with a consistent advantage in this race. Barring a Democratic tidal wave of historic proportions, his seat isn’t going to flip, and I maintain that Heitkamp and Bredesen are more likely to win than O'Rourke.

MT-Sen is tilt D or toss-up, although I think Tester will win reelection.

Larry Hogan didn't lead single poll in 2014 except the very last one and still won an upset. Not saying this is likely to happen this time, but single-digit leads are no reason to stop polling because "it's over". Trendlines matter equally, especially in the final weeks and days.


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: History505 on October 26, 2018, 09:44:29 AM
Cruz advantage, with a chance of an upset if O'Rourke can get many to turn out for him.


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on October 26, 2018, 09:59:28 AM
TN and MS b and TX are tilt R races, but upsets can happen. Just like IN, WI and Pa we're tilt D and GOP won them.


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: Brittain33 on October 26, 2018, 10:01:22 AM
Likely R race remains Likely R, no need to poll this anymore. Next.

Everything in mid-single digits is not "likely R/D", it's lean at best. They need to continue polling here. It makes more sense than these garbage CA-Gov polls, that are dumped all the time.

So why is MT-SEN not Lean D at best, then?

It should be Lean D.


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: MT Treasurer on October 26, 2018, 10:19:48 AM
Larry Hogan didn't lead single poll in 2014 except the very last one and still won an upset. Not saying this is likely to happen this time, but single-digit leads are no reason to stop polling because "it's over". Trendlines matter equally, especially in the final weeks and days.

Yeah, maybe I went a little too far, but I take issue with your Hogan comparison since there weren’t nearly as many polls of MD-GOV 2014 in the run-up to the election as in this state, the Hogan race didn’t receive disproportionate media attention, turnout was far lower, etc. There would have to be a pretty substantial polling error for O'Rourke to win, which I certainly wouldn’t rule out by any means, but I also wouldn’t want to rely on it. I definitely don’t get why people are so convinced that he’s more likely to win than Bredesen or Heitkamp. Sure, TX could very well end up being closer than ND/TN, but quite frankly I don’t think O'Rourke is the right candidate to win a federal race in a state which is still very tough terrain for Democrats.


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: Terry the Fat Shark on October 26, 2018, 11:39:26 AM
I never understand why people complain about pollsters who are obviously exclusive to the State, polling the State..... in most years this would be one of the the three TX polls we get lol


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on October 26, 2018, 12:40:20 PM
It's not the fact SN cheerlead, he thinks that Dems are strong enough to carry WI, Pa and MI, and those three states only has gone GOP 1x since 1988.


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: Liberalrocks on October 26, 2018, 05:09:07 PM
I don’t believe this poll because it doesn’t have decimals...


Title: Re: TX UT/Tribune: Cruz +6
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on October 26, 2018, 06:44:33 PM
Okay we get it. Cruz is ahead by mid single digits.

Can we get non internal polls out of Indiana and Missouri now?