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Title: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: gf20202 on October 31, 2018, 04:00:22 PM
Finally a quality Indiana poll!

New NBC/Marist poll of Indiana (likely voters):
Donnelly (D) 48%
Braun (R) 46%

(Was Donnelly 49%, Braun 43% in Sept)

Three-way:
Donnelly (D) 45%
Braun (R) 42%
Brenton (L) 7%

(Was Donnelly +3 here in Sept)

Oct 24-28


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly/Braun
Post by: wesmoorenerd on October 31, 2018, 04:00:50 PM
That's terrifyingly close, but I think Donnelly is a slim favorite here.


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: Hindsight was 2020 on October 31, 2018, 04:02:10 PM
The king lives!!!!!


Title: IN- NBC/Marist: DONNELLY +2
Post by: libertpaulian on October 31, 2018, 04:02:42 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/31/indiana-senate-race-poll-democrat-joe-donnelly-leads-republican-mike-braun.html

If you include Lovable Lucy, his lead expands to three!

This will definitely hinge on turnout.


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: Gass3268 on October 31, 2018, 04:02:59 PM


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: MT Treasurer on October 31, 2018, 04:03:21 PM
Marist has found surprisingly good numbers for Democrats pretty much everywhere this year. Not saying they’re necessarily wrong, but it’s something to keep in mind.


Title: Re: IN- NBC/Marist: DONNELLY +2
Post by: ON Progressive on October 31, 2018, 04:03:31 PM
The trend isn't great unfortunately, but at least he still leads.


Title: Re: IN- NBC/Marist: DONNELLY +2
Post by: libertpaulian on October 31, 2018, 04:04:32 PM
The trend isn't great unfortunately, but at least he still leads.
True, but I think that's more of a matter of the candidates consolidating their bases than anything.


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: Gass3268 on October 31, 2018, 04:04:43 PM
42% college educated in this poll, how doe that compare to 2016?


Title: Re: IN- NBC/Marist: DONNELLY +2
Post by: Gass3268 on October 31, 2018, 04:05:15 PM
libertpaulian: 42% college educated, too high?


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: IceSpear on October 31, 2018, 04:05:39 PM
Toss up -> Toss up


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: IceSpear on October 31, 2018, 04:06:31 PM
Marist has found surprisingly good numbers for Democrats pretty much everywhere this year. Not saying they’re necessarily wrong, but it’s something to keep in mind.

Of course, there's one exception to that...I'll leave everyone to guess what state that is.


Title: Re: IN- NBC/Marist: DONNELLY +2
Post by: ON Progressive on October 31, 2018, 04:06:33 PM
libertpaulian: 42% college educated, too high?

I believe the guy who runs Marist's polling said they weigh by income instead of education, which produces similar results (they tested education weighs once and it wasn't any different)


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: Ebsy on October 31, 2018, 04:06:38 PM
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Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: libertpaulian on October 31, 2018, 04:06:56 PM
42% college educated in this poll, how doe that compare to 2016?
In the Bayh vs. Young race, 47% of Hoosier voters were college grads, and they went 51-45% Young.  Non-college was 53%, and they broke 54-39% Young.


Title: Re: IN- NBC/Marist: DONNELLY +2
Post by: Comrade Funk on October 31, 2018, 04:07:10 PM
I'll take it. Important Donnelly had better favorability numbers than Braun.


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: Gass3268 on October 31, 2018, 04:07:43 PM
42% college educated in this poll, how doe that compare to 2016?
In the Bayh vs. Young race, 47% of Hoosier voters were college grads, and they went 51-45% Young.  Non-college was 53%, and they broke 54-39% Young.

So given this is a midterm, 42% might be too low.


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: libertpaulian on October 31, 2018, 04:07:51 PM
N U T


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: Ebsy on October 31, 2018, 04:09:23 PM
Here is the education breakdown in the probably flawed exit poll fwiw:

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Title: Re: IN- NBC/Marist: DONNELLY +2
Post by: libertpaulian on October 31, 2018, 04:09:39 PM
libertpaulian: 42% college educated, too high?
The Bayh vs. Young race was 47% college, 53% non-college.  Young won college by 6% and non-college by 15%.


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: MT Treasurer on October 31, 2018, 04:10:04 PM
Marist has found surprisingly good numbers for Democrats pretty much everywhere this year. Not saying they’re necessarily wrong, but it’s something to keep in mind.

Of course, there's one exception to that...I'll leave everyone to guess what state that is.

Sounds familiar, doesn’t it? Also worth noting that this was Donnelly +6 last month. I’d still rather be Braun than Donnelly. #bold, I know.


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: libertpaulian on October 31, 2018, 04:11:25 PM
Marist has found surprisingly good numbers for Democrats pretty much everywhere this year. Not saying they’re necessarily wrong, but it’s something to keep in mind.

Of course, there's one exception to that...I'll leave everyone to guess what state that is.

Sounds familiar, doesn’t it? Also worth noting that this was Donnelly +6 last month. I’d still rather be Braun than Donnelly, #bold, I know.
With the Kavanaugh backlash being applied heavily to Donnelly and the Butternut Democrat counties trending further R, I'd rather be Donnelly, honestly.  With Brenton as a factor, Joe's numbers increase.  The fact that he's close to 50% is good.


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: 2016 on October 31, 2018, 04:13:18 PM
LOL, Donnelly +23 among Indies. The Marist Crap Show continues.

Ya'll can gloat about that Poll BUT FOX NEWS will have apparently IN-SEN Poll as well @6pm.


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: libertpaulian on October 31, 2018, 04:14:16 PM
LOL, Donnelly +23 among Indies. The Marist Crap Show continues.

Ya'll can gloat about that Poll BUT FOX NEWS will have apparently IN-SEN Poll as well @6pm.
Eastern or Central?


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: Yellowhammer on October 31, 2018, 04:23:19 PM
LOL, Donnelly +23 among Indies. The Marist Crap Show continues.

Ya'll can gloat about that Poll BUT FOX NEWS will have apparently IN-SEN Poll as well @6pm.
Eastern or Central?

Eastern


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: IceSpear on October 31, 2018, 04:24:45 PM
Is FOX going to do another of their massive polling dumps, or Indiana only?


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: KingSweden on October 31, 2018, 04:27:19 PM
Is FOX going to do another of their massive polling dumps, or Indiana only?

They usually release all at once


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: 2016 on October 31, 2018, 04:36:20 PM
Marist has been bad all year long. They have D's AHEAD everywhere except TX & TN. I'll have to check their Polls from 2014 cuz if they underestimating R-Turnout the same way back then R's certainly looking pretty good in ND, IN, MO, TX and TN.

Trumps JA with Independents is -4 in Indiana yet Donnelly +23 over Braun with that Group. It doesn't make sense.


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: Devout Centrist on October 31, 2018, 04:37:54 PM
Marist has been bad all year long. They have D's AHEAD everywhere except TX & TN. I'll have to check their Polls from 2014 cuz if they underestimating R-Turnout the same way back then R's certainly looking pretty good in ND, IN, MO, TX and TN.

Trumps JA with Independents is -2 in Indiana yet Donnelly +23 over Braun with that Group. It doesn't make sense.
I mean yeah, this year will definitely be a repeat of 2014.

Really hope you have plenty to drink on election night


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: libertpaulian on October 31, 2018, 04:38:08 PM
Marist has been bad all year long. They have D's AHEAD everywhere except TX & TN. I'll have to check their Polls from 2014 cuz if they underestimating R-Turnout the same way back then R's certainly looking pretty good in ND, IN, MO, TX and TN.

Trumps JA with Independents is -2 in Indiana yet Donnelly +23 over Braun with that Group. It doesn't make sense.
You.can approve of the President yet vote D, you know.

Using your logic, Joe Manchin would be getting destroyed by Pat Morrisey right now.


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: I Can Now Die Happy on October 31, 2018, 04:39:26 PM
Marist is biased. Braun will win.


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: 2016 on October 31, 2018, 04:41:20 PM
Marist has been bad all year long. They have D's AHEAD everywhere except TX & TN. I'll have to check their Polls from 2014 cuz if they underestimating R-Turnout the same way back then R's certainly looking pretty good in ND, IN, MO, TX and TN.

Trumps JA with Independents is -2 in Indiana yet Donnelly +23 over Braun with that Group. It doesn't make sense.
You.can approve of the President yet vote D, you know.

Using your logic, Joe Manchin would be getting destroyed by Pat Morrisey right now.

I don't dispute that BUT +23 is a little bit too much, don't you think? Same in AZ where they have Sinema +27 among Indies where Trumps JA is clearly on the rise.


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: libertpaulian on October 31, 2018, 04:44:12 PM
Marist has been bad all year long. They have D's AHEAD everywhere except TX & TN. I'll have to check their Polls from 2014 cuz if they underestimating R-Turnout the same way back then R's certainly looking pretty good in ND, IN, MO, TX and TN.

Trumps JA with Independents is -2 in Indiana yet Donnelly +23 over Braun with that Group. It doesn't make sense.
You.can approve of the President yet vote D, you know.

Using your logic, Joe Manchin would be getting destroyed by Pat Morrisey right now.

I don't dispute that BUT +23 is a little bit too much, don't you think? Same in AZ where they have Sinema +27 among Indies where Trumps JA is clearly on the rise.
Possibly, given Donnelly beat Mourdock with indys by a lesser margin.  However, Dems are energized this year, and Braun is a less-than-exciting candidate with no real message. Weirder things happen.


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: ON Progressive on October 31, 2018, 04:49:07 PM
2016, can you please stop unskewing using crosstabs like indies? This poll had 29% indies among likely voters, which is n=144. That would have an MOE of over 8 points with Indiana's population.


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: Matty on October 31, 2018, 04:51:44 PM
Why are people calling a +2 poll a toss up?


Title: Re: IN- NBC/Marist: DONNELLY +2
Post by: Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️ on October 31, 2018, 04:52:16 PM
libertpaulian: 42% college educated, too high?
The Bayh vs. Young race was 47% college, 53% non-college.  Young won college by 6% and non-college by 15%.


If those #s you are quoting are from exit polls, they probably overstate the college #. On the other hand, the college # should be higher in a midterm than in a Presidential year (unless the turnout is really really high).


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: 2016 on October 31, 2018, 04:53:42 PM
2016, can you please stop unskewing using crosstabs like indies? This poll had 29% indies among likely voters, which is n=144. That would have an MOE of over 8 points with Indiana's population.

It isn't just Indies. Braun gets only 60% of the Evangelical Christian Vote...not even close to right. These Marist Polls have HUGE Flaws no matter how you slice it.


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: KingSweden on October 31, 2018, 04:55:26 PM
Why are people calling a +2 poll a toss up?

Because it’s close enough to a tie that a turnout differential could send it the other way (or, by the same token, see a bigger Donnelly win). Totally reasonable nomenclature


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: Zaybay on October 31, 2018, 04:57:47 PM
Wow, a great pollster showed a race that was believed to be R thanks to bad pollsters and data isnt. So surprised.

Honestly, I am willing to declare that Claire is up too, and we will all be shocked.

Apparently Fox is releasing some polls soon, so lets see what they say....


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: libertpaulian on October 31, 2018, 04:59:48 PM
2016, can you please stop unskewing using crosstabs like indies? This poll had 29% indies among likely voters, which is n=144. That would have an MOE of over 8 points with Indiana's population.

It isn't just Indies. Braun gets only 60% of the Evangelical Christian Vote...not even close to right. These Marist Polls have HUGE Flaws no matter how you slice it.
Donnelly doesn't have the gay pride marching, abortion-loving, coastal elite image that Hillary did.  While he won't do well with them, he won't get blown out of the water with Hillary margins, either.  In 2008, exit polls showed Obama winning about 30% of Indiana evangelicals, and he was already tarnished with the coastal elite image in the primary.


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: ON Progressive on October 31, 2018, 05:11:48 PM
2016, can you please stop unskewing using crosstabs like indies? This poll had 29% indies among likely voters, which is n=144. That would have an MOE of over 8 points with Indiana's population.

It isn't just Indies. Braun gets only 60% of the Evangelical Christian Vote...not even close to right. These Marist Polls have HUGE Flaws no matter how you slice it.
Donnelly doesn't have the gay pride marching, abortion-loving, coastal elite image that Hillary did.  While he won't do well with them, he won't get blown out of the water with Hillary margins, either.  In 2008, exit polls showed Obama winning about 30% of Indiana evangelicals, and he was already tarnished with the coastal elite image in the primary.

Are Indiana evangelicals more willing to vote D than in the South, because 25% D seems high admittedly.


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: KingSweden on October 31, 2018, 05:13:04 PM
2016, can you please stop unskewing using crosstabs like indies? This poll had 29% indies among likely voters, which is n=144. That would have an MOE of over 8 points with Indiana's population.

It isn't just Indies. Braun gets only 60% of the Evangelical Christian Vote...not even close to right. These Marist Polls have HUGE Flaws no matter how you slice it.
Donnelly doesn't have the gay pride marching, abortion-loving, coastal elite image that Hillary did.  While he won't do well with them, he won't get blown out of the water with Hillary margins, either.  In 2008, exit polls showed Obama winning about 30% of Indiana evangelicals, and he was already tarnished with the coastal elite image in the primary.

Are Indiana evangelicals more willing to vote D than in the South, because 25% D seems high admittedly.

Southern evangelicals are considerably more partisan (also, “evangelical” is a term so overbroad it’s effectively vague)


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: libertpaulian on October 31, 2018, 05:18:00 PM
2016, can you please stop unskewing using crosstabs like indies? This poll had 29% indies among likely voters, which is n=144. That would have an MOE of over 8 points with Indiana's population.

It isn't just Indies. Braun gets only 60% of the Evangelical Christian Vote...not even close to right. These Marist Polls have HUGE Flaws no matter how you slice it.
Donnelly doesn't have the gay pride marching, abortion-loving, coastal elite image that Hillary did.  While he won't do well with them, he won't get blown out of the water with Hillary margins, either.  In 2008, exit polls showed Obama winning about 30% of Indiana evangelicals, and he was already tarnished with the coastal elite image in the primary.

Are Indiana evangelicals more willing to vote D than in the South, because 25% D seems high admittedly.
Donnelly got 27% of the born-again vote in 2012.


Title: Re: IN- NBC/Marist: DONNELLY +2
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on October 31, 2018, 06:30:25 PM
I'll take it. Important Donnelly had better favorability numbers than Braun.

I'll take it also. I was basically writing Donnelly off. It's good to see that he's still in this. If he survives I'm fairly certain we get a D+0 Senate at worst. I'm fine with that at this point.


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on October 31, 2018, 06:35:20 PM
*Fingers crossed*. This will be my race to watch. If Donnelly wins again, Democrats are at D+0, which is satisfactory enough for me.


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️ on October 31, 2018, 10:23:52 PM
LOL, Donnelly +23 among Indies. The Marist Crap Show continues.

Ya'll can gloat about that Poll BUT FOX NEWS will have apparently IN-SEN Poll as well @6pm.

Well, that FOX poll worked out well for the cause of unskewing...


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: junior chįmp on October 31, 2018, 10:53:03 PM
*Fingers crossed*. This will be my race to watch. If Donnelly wins again, Democrats are at D+0, which is satisfactory enough for me.

If the Senate ends up 50-50 then the Democrats should go all out to get Murkowski to either switch parties or caucus with them. Promise her all the federal pork in the world


Title: Re: IN - NBC/Marist: Donnelly +2
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on November 01, 2018, 07:19:56 PM
Sorry for the double post by the way, I didn't realize that I did that.