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Title: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: New York Dude on November 05, 2018, 12:20:51 am
McSally-49
Sinema-48

They previously had McSally up 52-45. I'd say there is a very high chance they're herding to get close to the actual result.

https://www.abc15.com/news/state/poll-martha-mcsally-has-one-point-lead-over-kyrsten-sinema-days-before-election


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: Councilor Zaybay on November 05, 2018, 12:23:20 am
But I thought the data showed that McSally was up by 10?! Isnt that what the director said?!


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: IceSpear on November 05, 2018, 12:25:01 am
This is what we call a last minute "don't want to look stupid revision." Like that poll that showed Trump crushing Hillary in VA, only to rush one out the day before the election showing her ahead.


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: pppolitics on November 05, 2018, 12:30:23 am
The way this pollster casually promotes mcsally on twitter is concerning, something to look at when analyzing at this poll.

https://twitter.com/ohpredictive/status/1056608283723583489?s=21
https://twitter.com/ohpredictive/status/1052354755966582784?s=21
https://twitter.com/ohpredictive/status/1051993626320896000?s=21
https://twitter.com/ohpredictive/status/1051967203224969216?s=21
https://twitter.com/ohpredictive/status/1051905978398990336?s=21
https://twitter.com/ohpredictive/status/1050558419482992640?s=21


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: pppolitics on November 05, 2018, 12:33:31 am
This should be labeled as a (R) pollster.


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: Joshua on November 05, 2018, 12:38:08 am
The way this pollster casually promotes mcsally on twitter is concerning, something to look at when analyzing at this poll.

https://twitter.com/ohpredictive/status/1056608283723583489?s=21
https://twitter.com/ohpredictive/status/1052354755966582784?s=21
https://twitter.com/ohpredictive/status/1051993626320896000?s=21
https://twitter.com/ohpredictive/status/1051967203224969216?s=21
https://twitter.com/ohpredictive/status/1051905978398990336?s=21
https://twitter.com/ohpredictive/status/1050558419482992640?s=21

#Yikes. They have McSweaty +1 two days before the election?

Titanium Sinema.


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: wbrocks67 on November 05, 2018, 07:06:11 am
LOL this is the same pollster that got legitimately mad at everyone on Twitter for believing the 95% of other polls that had Sinema tied/up.


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: SN2903 on November 05, 2018, 08:23:30 am
McSally is clearly surging


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: Anthony Davis is Awesome on November 05, 2018, 08:24:14 am
Margin of error


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: Senator ON Progressive on November 05, 2018, 08:25:16 am
McSally is clearly surging

You say this on the poll that has McSally doing 6 points worse than the last poll from the same firm.


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on November 05, 2018, 08:35:10 am
McSally is clearly surging

You say this on the poll that has McSally doing 6 points worse than the last poll from the same firm.

She is surging downwards, you silly.


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: 2016 on November 05, 2018, 09:17:13 am
LOL this is the same pollster that got legitimately mad at everyone on Twitter for believing the 95% of other polls that had Sinema tied/up.

They are right to be mad as many Polls had Sinema 3-6 Points which is wrong.


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: 2016 on November 05, 2018, 10:00:16 am
Press Release
http://createsend.com/t/i-9C28BF62A01126BA2540EF23F30FEDED (http://createsend.com/t/i-9C28BF62A01126BA2540EF23F30FEDED)

KEY
88% of Sinema's Supporters have already returned their Ballot
Only 70% of McSally's Supporters have returned theirs

...so this Race indeed comes down to E-DAY Turnout.


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: History505 on November 05, 2018, 10:02:51 am
LOL this is the same pollster that got legitimately mad at everyone on Twitter for believing the 95% of other polls that had Sinema tied/up.

They are right to be mad as many Polls had Sinema 3-6 Points which is wrong.
Might just be right.


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: Webnicz on November 05, 2018, 10:07:08 am
When OH isnít promoting mcsally on twitter they are touting their recent +7 mcsally poll, OH is very defensive on twitter so I want someone to ask them what on earth happened in a few days that made mcsally loose 6 points???


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: Stranger in a strange land on November 05, 2018, 10:09:32 am
McSally is clearly surging

You say this on the poll that has McSally doing 6 points worse than the last poll from the same firm.

She is surging downwards, you silly.

SINEMENTUM!!!


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: Councilor Zaybay on November 05, 2018, 10:10:27 am
Press Release
http://createsend.com/t/i-9C28BF62A01126BA2540EF23F30FEDED (http://createsend.com/t/i-9C28BF62A01126BA2540EF23F30FEDED)

KEY
88% of Sinema's Supporters have already returned their Ballot
Only 70% of McSally's Supporters have returned theirs

...so this Race indeed comes down to E-DAY Turnout.

....you do realize that barely anyone in AZ votes on E-Day. In 2016, 90% of ballot were cast early. I suspect that number will be lower this year, considering its a midterm.


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: Calthrina950 on November 05, 2018, 10:51:26 am
Press Release
http://createsend.com/t/i-9C28BF62A01126BA2540EF23F30FEDED (http://createsend.com/t/i-9C28BF62A01126BA2540EF23F30FEDED)

KEY
88% of Sinema's Supporters have already returned their Ballot
Only 70% of McSally's Supporters have returned theirs

...so this Race indeed comes down to E-DAY Turnout.

....you do realize that barely anyone in AZ votes on E-Day. In 2016, 90% of ballot were cast early. I suspect that number will be lower this year, considering its a midterm.

If this is true, that would be another indicator of a Sinema victory tomorrow.


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: 2016 on November 05, 2018, 12:45:57 pm
Press Release
http://createsend.com/t/i-9C28BF62A01126BA2540EF23F30FEDED (http://createsend.com/t/i-9C28BF62A01126BA2540EF23F30FEDED)

KEY
88% of Sinema's Supporters have already returned their Ballot
Only 70% of McSally's Supporters have returned theirs

...so this Race indeed comes down to E-DAY Turnout.

....you do realize that barely anyone in AZ votes on E-Day. In 2016, 90% of ballot were cast early. I suspect that number will be lower this year, considering its a midterm.

If this is true, that would be another indicator of a Sinema victory tomorrow.

The Problem I have is that most of the Polls having Sinema ahead in the Early Vote. I just don't by that at all. I realize that Republicans can also vote for Sinema. That being said, the GOP has a 118K Raw Ballot Advantage. EVEN if let's say Sinema wins Democrats 95-5 and McSally wins Republicans 90-10 and takes Independents 58-31 like Marist says Sinema would still lose the Election by 10,000-15,000 Votes. AND Sinema will not win Indies 2 to 1 I can tell you that.


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: Councilor Zaybay on November 05, 2018, 12:47:40 pm
Press Release
http://createsend.com/t/i-9C28BF62A01126BA2540EF23F30FEDED (http://createsend.com/t/i-9C28BF62A01126BA2540EF23F30FEDED)

KEY
88% of Sinema's Supporters have already returned their Ballot
Only 70% of McSally's Supporters have returned theirs

...so this Race indeed comes down to E-DAY Turnout.

....you do realize that barely anyone in AZ votes on E-Day. In 2016, 90% of ballot were cast early. I suspect that number will be lower this year, considering its a midterm.

If this is true, that would be another indicator of a Sinema victory tomorrow.

The Problem I have is that most of the Polls having Sinema ahead in the Early Vote. I just don't by that at all. I realize that Republicans can also vote for Sinema. That being said, the GOP has a 118K Raw Ballot Advantage. EVEN if let's say Sinema wins Democrats 95-5 and McSally wins Republicans 90-10 and takes Independents 58-31 like Marist says Sinema would still lose the Election by 10,000-15,000 Votes. AND Sinema will not win Indies 2 to 1 I can tell you that.

Ah, I see, your mistake is the D and R numbers for crossover. The Ds are predicted to get 90-10 for D votes(there are some ancestral D areas in AZ), the Rs, however, are predicted to get 80-20 of the R vote. The Indie numbers are close to what the polls say so far.



Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: Webnicz on November 05, 2018, 03:04:21 pm
Press Release
http://createsend.com/t/i-9C28BF62A01126BA2540EF23F30FEDED (http://createsend.com/t/i-9C28BF62A01126BA2540EF23F30FEDED)

KEY
88% of Sinema's Supporters have already returned their Ballot
Only 70% of McSally's Supporters have returned theirs

...so this Race indeed comes down to E-DAY Turnout.

....you do realize that barely anyone in AZ votes on E-Day. In 2016, 90% of ballot were cast early. I suspect that number will be lower this year, considering its a midterm.

If this is true, that would be another indicator of a Sinema victory tomorrow.

The Problem I have is that most of the Polls having Sinema ahead in the Early Vote. I just don't by that at all. I realize that Republicans can also vote for Sinema. That being said, the GOP has a 118K Raw Ballot Advantage. EVEN if let's say Sinema wins Democrats 95-5 and McSally wins Republicans 90-10 and takes Independents 58-31 like Marist says Sinema would still lose the Election by 10,000-15,000 Votes. AND Sinema will not win Indies 2 to 1 I can tell you that.

As familiar I am with Arizona elections, I have to say 2016 is making a valid point bc truth is early returns donít show anything good for the dems. We really will have to see what kinds of people show up on Election Day to turn in their ballots(lots of people do this who didnít mail them in time but we need to see what kinds of people do that. We know people will show up to vote, but we need to see who shows up to turn in their early ballots.


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: wbrocks67 on November 05, 2018, 03:23:09 pm
Press Release
http://createsend.com/t/i-9C28BF62A01126BA2540EF23F30FEDED (http://createsend.com/t/i-9C28BF62A01126BA2540EF23F30FEDED)

KEY
88% of Sinema's Supporters have already returned their Ballot
Only 70% of McSally's Supporters have returned theirs

...so this Race indeed comes down to E-DAY Turnout.

....you do realize that barely anyone in AZ votes on E-Day. In 2016, 90% of ballot were cast early. I suspect that number will be lower this year, considering its a midterm.

If this is true, that would be another indicator of a Sinema victory tomorrow.

The Problem I have is that most of the Polls having Sinema ahead in the Early Vote. I just don't by that at all. I realize that Republicans can also vote for Sinema. That being said, the GOP has a 118K Raw Ballot Advantage. EVEN if let's say Sinema wins Democrats 95-5 and McSally wins Republicans 90-10 and takes Independents 58-31 like Marist says Sinema would still lose the Election by 10,000-15,000 Votes. AND Sinema will not win Indies 2 to 1 I can tell you that.

As familiar I am with Arizona elections, I have to say 2016 is making a valid point bc truth is early returns donít show anything good for the dems. We really will have to see what kinds of people show up on Election Day to turn in their ballots(lots of people do this who didnít mail them in time but we need to see what kinds of people do that. We know people will show up to vote, but we need to see who shows up to turn in their early ballots.

"early returns dont show anything good for Dems"

You. Do. Not. Know. How. People. Voted.

Again, for the 10000000000000th time, just look at AZ-08. If we were going by early vote, Lesko would've won by 20%.


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: Calthrina950 on November 05, 2018, 05:11:30 pm
Press Release
http://createsend.com/t/i-9C28BF62A01126BA2540EF23F30FEDED (http://createsend.com/t/i-9C28BF62A01126BA2540EF23F30FEDED)

KEY
88% of Sinema's Supporters have already returned their Ballot
Only 70% of McSally's Supporters have returned theirs

...so this Race indeed comes down to E-DAY Turnout.

....you do realize that barely anyone in AZ votes on E-Day. In 2016, 90% of ballot were cast early. I suspect that number will be lower this year, considering its a midterm.

If this is true, that would be another indicator of a Sinema victory tomorrow.

The Problem I have is that most of the Polls having Sinema ahead in the Early Vote. I just don't by that at all. I realize that Republicans can also vote for Sinema. That being said, the GOP has a 118K Raw Ballot Advantage. EVEN if let's say Sinema wins Democrats 95-5 and McSally wins Republicans 90-10 and takes Independents 58-31 like Marist says Sinema would still lose the Election by 10,000-15,000 Votes. AND Sinema will not win Indies 2 to 1 I can tell you that.

As familiar I am with Arizona elections, I have to say 2016 is making a valid point bc truth is early returns donít show anything good for the dems. We really will have to see what kinds of people show up on Election Day to turn in their ballots(lots of people do this who didnít mail them in time but we need to see what kinds of people do that. We know people will show up to vote, but we need to see who shows up to turn in their early ballots.

This is also true. Election Day is still important, as 2016 proved, though maybe not to the extent that it used to be. If I recall, the Election Day vote is how Trump won in 2016. I believe it provided him his margins of victory in states such as Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. McSally could still pull off a narrow win based upon that vote, but as I've said, other numbers indicate that Sinema is favored. The facts that she is winning a solid majority of independents and is cutting more deeply into the Republican vote than McSally is with the Democratic vote lead me to that conclusion.


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: 2016 on November 05, 2018, 05:30:11 pm
Press Release
http://createsend.com/t/i-9C28BF62A01126BA2540EF23F30FEDED (http://createsend.com/t/i-9C28BF62A01126BA2540EF23F30FEDED)

KEY
88% of Sinema's Supporters have already returned their Ballot
Only 70% of McSally's Supporters have returned theirs

...so this Race indeed comes down to E-DAY Turnout.

....you do realize that barely anyone in AZ votes on E-Day. In 2016, 90% of ballot were cast early. I suspect that number will be lower this year, considering its a midterm.

If this is true, that would be another indicator of a Sinema victory tomorrow.

The Problem I have is that most of the Polls having Sinema ahead in the Early Vote. I just don't by that at all. I realize that Republicans can also vote for Sinema. That being said, the GOP has a 118K Raw Ballot Advantage. EVEN if let's say Sinema wins Democrats 95-5 and McSally wins Republicans 90-10 and takes Independents 58-31 like Marist says Sinema would still lose the Election by 10,000-15,000 Votes. AND Sinema will not win Indies 2 to 1 I can tell you that.

As familiar I am with Arizona elections, I have to say 2016 is making a valid point bc truth is early returns donít show anything good for the dems. We really will have to see what kinds of people show up on Election Day to turn in their ballots(lots of people do this who didnít mail them in time but we need to see what kinds of people do that. We know people will show up to vote, but we need to see who shows up to turn in their early ballots.

This is also true. Election Day is still important, as 2016 proved, though maybe not to the extent that it used to be. If I recall, the Election Day vote is how Trump won in 2016. I believe it provided him his margins of victory in states such as Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. McSally could still pull off a narrow win based upon that vote, but as I've said, other numbers indicate that Sinema is favored. The facts that she is winning a solid majority of independents and is cutting more deeply into the Republican vote than McSally is with the Democratic vote lead me to that conclusion.

It depends on how big Sinema's lead with Indies is. If it's under 10 Points Sinema loses, if it's above that she likely wins.


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: Calthrina950 on November 05, 2018, 05:47:48 pm
Press Release
http://createsend.com/t/i-9C28BF62A01126BA2540EF23F30FEDED (http://createsend.com/t/i-9C28BF62A01126BA2540EF23F30FEDED)

KEY
88% of Sinema's Supporters have already returned their Ballot
Only 70% of McSally's Supporters have returned theirs

...so this Race indeed comes down to E-DAY Turnout.

....you do realize that barely anyone in AZ votes on E-Day. In 2016, 90% of ballot were cast early. I suspect that number will be lower this year, considering its a midterm.

If this is true, that would be another indicator of a Sinema victory tomorrow.

The Problem I have is that most of the Polls having Sinema ahead in the Early Vote. I just don't by that at all. I realize that Republicans can also vote for Sinema. That being said, the GOP has a 118K Raw Ballot Advantage. EVEN if let's say Sinema wins Democrats 95-5 and McSally wins Republicans 90-10 and takes Independents 58-31 like Marist says Sinema would still lose the Election by 10,000-15,000 Votes. AND Sinema will not win Indies 2 to 1 I can tell you that.

As familiar I am with Arizona elections, I have to say 2016 is making a valid point bc truth is early returns donít show anything good for the dems. We really will have to see what kinds of people show up on Election Day to turn in their ballots(lots of people do this who didnít mail them in time but we need to see what kinds of people do that. We know people will show up to vote, but we need to see who shows up to turn in their early ballots.

This is also true. Election Day is still important, as 2016 proved, though maybe not to the extent that it used to be. If I recall, the Election Day vote is how Trump won in 2016. I believe it provided him his margins of victory in states such as Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. McSally could still pull off a narrow win based upon that vote, but as I've said, other numbers indicate that Sinema is favored. The facts that she is winning a solid majority of independents and is cutting more deeply into the Republican vote than McSally is with the Democratic vote lead me to that conclusion.

It depends on how big Sinema's lead with Indies is. If it's under 10 Points Sinema loses, if it's above that she likely wins.

I saw a statistic last week (which I mentioned previously), that had Sinema winning 58% of independents. I'm not sure if that was accurate, or if it is accurate now. That is why the previous tag line on the Early Vote megathread is so relevant: Early Vote results do not tell you how the election will go. A good example of this is Tennessee, where some on here still entertain a vain hope of a Bredesen victory, and where Early Vote numbers have shown Republicans far ahead of Democrats in terms of turnout. If Bredesen were to somehow win, that would indicate a pretty broad defection of Republican voters.

As for Arizona, you are right about the margin with independents. Since Republicans have outpaced Democrats in the Early Voting by close to 10% there, Sinema will need a strong performance with that group (independents) and among the Democratic base to score a narrow victory. Another reason why I think she will ultimately prevail is because her political base is in Maricopa County, and McSally seems to be weaker there than elsewhere in Arizona, if I'm reading the numbers correctly.


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: 2016 on November 05, 2018, 07:47:50 pm
Press Release
http://createsend.com/t/i-9C28BF62A01126BA2540EF23F30FEDED (http://createsend.com/t/i-9C28BF62A01126BA2540EF23F30FEDED)

KEY
88% of Sinema's Supporters have already returned their Ballot
Only 70% of McSally's Supporters have returned theirs

...so this Race indeed comes down to E-DAY Turnout.

....you do realize that barely anyone in AZ votes on E-Day. In 2016, 90% of ballot were cast early. I suspect that number will be lower this year, considering its a midterm.

If this is true, that would be another indicator of a Sinema victory tomorrow.

The Problem I have is that most of the Polls having Sinema ahead in the Early Vote. I just don't by that at all. I realize that Republicans can also vote for Sinema. That being said, the GOP has a 118K Raw Ballot Advantage. EVEN if let's say Sinema wins Democrats 95-5 and McSally wins Republicans 90-10 and takes Independents 58-31 like Marist says Sinema would still lose the Election by 10,000-15,000 Votes. AND Sinema will not win Indies 2 to 1 I can tell you that.

As familiar I am with Arizona elections, I have to say 2016 is making a valid point bc truth is early returns donít show anything good for the dems. We really will have to see what kinds of people show up on Election Day to turn in their ballots(lots of people do this who didnít mail them in time but we need to see what kinds of people do that. We know people will show up to vote, but we need to see who shows up to turn in their early ballots.

This is also true. Election Day is still important, as 2016 proved, though maybe not to the extent that it used to be. If I recall, the Election Day vote is how Trump won in 2016. I believe it provided him his margins of victory in states such as Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. McSally could still pull off a narrow win based upon that vote, but as I've said, other numbers indicate that Sinema is favored. The facts that she is winning a solid majority of independents and is cutting more deeply into the Republican vote than McSally is with the Democratic vote lead me to that conclusion.

It depends on how big Sinema's lead with Indies is. If it's under 10 Points Sinema loses, if it's above that she likely wins.

I saw a statistic last week (which I mentioned previously), that had Sinema winning 58% of independents. I'm not sure if that was accurate, or if it is accurate now. That is why the previous tag line on the Early Vote megathread is so relevant: Early Vote results do not tell you how the election will go. A good example of this is Tennessee, where some on here still entertain a vain hope of a Bredesen victory, and where Early Vote numbers have shown Republicans far ahead of Democrats in terms of turnout. If Bredesen were to somehow win, that would indicate a pretty broad defection of Republican voters.

As for Arizona, you are right about the margin with independents. Since Republicans have outpaced Democrats in the Early Voting by close to 10% there, Sinema will need a strong performance with that group (independents) and among the Democratic base to score a narrow victory. Another reason why I think she will ultimately prevail is because her political base is in Maricopa County, and McSally seems to be weaker there than elsewhere in Arizona, if I'm reading the numbers correctly.

I disagree. If Sinema wins she'll likely have to thank Pima County for the win. Pima Ballots have gone bananas for Democrats the last week. This is Sinemas Strategy. If she can fight McSally to a draw in Maricopa she will use Pima to win. If you look at her recent House Elections she leaned heavily on Pima pulling out the win.


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: Nyvin on November 05, 2018, 08:43:51 pm


I disagree. If Sinema wins she'll likely have to thank Pima County for the win. Pima Ballots have gone bananas for Democrats the last week. This is Sinemas Strategy. If she can fight McSally to a draw in Maricopa she will use Pima to win. If you look at her recent House Elections she leaned heavily on Pima pulling out the win.


???

AZ-9 is entirely within Maricopa County.


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: Invisible Obama on November 05, 2018, 08:50:05 pm


I disagree. If Sinema wins she'll likely have to thank Pima County for the win. Pima Ballots have gone bananas for Democrats the last week. This is Sinemas Strategy. If she can fight McSally to a draw in Maricopa she will use Pima to win. If you look at her recent House Elections she leaned heavily on Pima pulling out the win.


???

AZ-9 is entirely within Maricopa County.
Either that poster is misinformed or is just making things up as they go along.


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: Calthrina950 on November 05, 2018, 10:14:20 pm
Press Release
http://createsend.com/t/i-9C28BF62A01126BA2540EF23F30FEDED (http://createsend.com/t/i-9C28BF62A01126BA2540EF23F30FEDED)

KEY
88% of Sinema's Supporters have already returned their Ballot
Only 70% of McSally's Supporters have returned theirs

...so this Race indeed comes down to E-DAY Turnout.

....you do realize that barely anyone in AZ votes on E-Day. In 2016, 90% of ballot were cast early. I suspect that number will be lower this year, considering its a midterm.

If this is true, that would be another indicator of a Sinema victory tomorrow.

The Problem I have is that most of the Polls having Sinema ahead in the Early Vote. I just don't by that at all. I realize that Republicans can also vote for Sinema. That being said, the GOP has a 118K Raw Ballot Advantage. EVEN if let's say Sinema wins Democrats 95-5 and McSally wins Republicans 90-10 and takes Independents 58-31 like Marist says Sinema would still lose the Election by 10,000-15,000 Votes. AND Sinema will not win Indies 2 to 1 I can tell you that.

As familiar I am with Arizona elections, I have to say 2016 is making a valid point bc truth is early returns donít show anything good for the dems. We really will have to see what kinds of people show up on Election Day to turn in their ballots(lots of people do this who didnít mail them in time but we need to see what kinds of people do that. We know people will show up to vote, but we need to see who shows up to turn in their early ballots.

This is also true. Election Day is still important, as 2016 proved, though maybe not to the extent that it used to be. If I recall, the Election Day vote is how Trump won in 2016. I believe it provided him his margins of victory in states such as Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. McSally could still pull off a narrow win based upon that vote, but as I've said, other numbers indicate that Sinema is favored. The facts that she is winning a solid majority of independents and is cutting more deeply into the Republican vote than McSally is with the Democratic vote lead me to that conclusion.

It depends on how big Sinema's lead with Indies is. If it's under 10 Points Sinema loses, if it's above that she likely wins.

I saw a statistic last week (which I mentioned previously), that had Sinema winning 58% of independents. I'm not sure if that was accurate, or if it is accurate now. That is why the previous tag line on the Early Vote megathread is so relevant: Early Vote results do not tell you how the election will go. A good example of this is Tennessee, where some on here still entertain a vain hope of a Bredesen victory, and where Early Vote numbers have shown Republicans far ahead of Democrats in terms of turnout. If Bredesen were to somehow win, that would indicate a pretty broad defection of Republican voters.

As for Arizona, you are right about the margin with independents. Since Republicans have outpaced Democrats in the Early Voting by close to 10% there, Sinema will need a strong performance with that group (independents) and among the Democratic base to score a narrow victory. Another reason why I think she will ultimately prevail is because her political base is in Maricopa County, and McSally seems to be weaker there than elsewhere in Arizona, if I'm reading the numbers correctly.

I disagree. If Sinema wins she'll likely have to thank Pima County for the win. Pima Ballots have gone bananas for Democrats the last week. This is Sinemas Strategy. If she can fight McSally to a draw in Maricopa she will use Pima to win. If you look at her recent House Elections she leaned heavily on Pima pulling out the win.


I think you made a mistake with Sinema's district, as others have (rudely) pointed out here. McSally's district is in Pima County; Sinema's is in Maricopa County. But otherwise, your point stands. Pima County is a Democratic stronghold, and it was carried by both Clinton and Ann Kirkpatrick two years ago. Sinema probably needs to be winning it by double digits, or get close to the 60% mark, along with coming close in or outright winning Maricopa County, to win statewide. But her district, being within Maricopa County, places her in closer proximity to the Phoenix metropolitan area than McSally, who is much closer to Tuscon and its suburbs. That might very well make a difference tomorrow.


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on November 06, 2018, 01:50:31 am


I disagree. If Sinema wins she'll likely have to thank Pima County for the win. Pima Ballots have gone bananas for Democrats the last week. This is Sinemas Strategy. If she can fight McSally to a draw in Maricopa she will use Pima to win. If you look at her recent House Elections she leaned heavily on Pima pulling out the win.


???

AZ-9 is entirely within Maricopa County.
Either that poster is misinformed or is just making things up as they go along.

Correct answer: both.


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: 2016 on November 08, 2018, 11:35:37 am
So, it looks like my favourite AZ Pollster got this one right.


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: libertpaulian on November 08, 2018, 12:08:01 pm
So, it looks like my favourite AZ Pollster got this one right.
Don't count your chickens yet.


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: Webnicz on November 08, 2018, 07:04:18 pm
So, it looks like my favourite AZ Pollster got this one right.

you should refresh the results page


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: pppolitics on November 12, 2018, 09:27:05 pm
So, it looks like my favourite AZ Pollster got this one right.

LMAO


Title: Re: AZ: OH Predictive- McSally +1
Post by: Joshua on November 12, 2018, 10:38:05 pm
#Yikes
#McSallyUnder48
#InActualVotes