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Title: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: JA on January 05, 2019, 07:19:45 AM
Bolsonaro moves to kick Indigenous off their lands hours after inauguration (https://earther.gizmodo.com/brazil-s-new-president-moves-to-kick-indigenous-people-1831466539)

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The war against Brazil’s indigenous people has begun. Far-right Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro wasted no time his first two days in office, signing a decree Wednesday that hands over power to designate indigenous lands to the Ministry of Agriculture, a move that could have repercussions for the country’s 690 recognized territories in the Amazon rainforest.

The move came a day after Bolsonaro signed a provisional measure dismantling FUNAI, Brazil’s bureau of indigenous affairs.

The Justice Ministry previously handled the designation of new indigenous lands, reports Al Jazeera, but now Minister Tereza Cristina—who has lobbied on behalf of the industry before—is in charge. Critics worry the more than 100 uncontacted tribes that call the Amazon home will lose the little protection they have under her eye. Particularly at risk are those whose territories have not yet been recognized by the government; their lands are now more likely to be handed over to agricultural and other industry interests. And when indigenous people are evicted from their lands, this doesn’t go down peacefully.

“The theft of indigenous people’s lands could mean genocide and the complete wipeout of tribes,” said Sarah Shenker, a senior researcher at Survival International who’s worked with Brazilian tribes, to Earther.

Profit über alles, folks.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Lourdes on March 06, 2019, 11:13:12 AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-06/bolsonaro-blasts-lewd-carnival-scene-in-tweet-igniting-brazil?srnd=markets-vp

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Carnival is a beloved institution in Brazil, a wild, sensual celebration that dates back centuries. But to the country’s new socially conservative president, Jair Bolsonaro, it is a scandalous affair that symbolizes just how much the country has lost its moral compass.

And so he wasn’t about to let his first Carnival come and go without lashing out at its more extreme elements. Late Tuesday night, just as the festivities were winding down, Bolsonaro posted a video showing a scantily dressed man in leather appearing to touch himself in front of a crowd before bending down to be urinated on by another reveler during a Carnival procession.

Not gonna link the video, but it's still on there.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: JGibson on March 06, 2019, 07:59:26 PM
Bolsonaro's doing everything he can to be the worst post-military regime-era "leader" of Brazil, and this is the latest evidence of it.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: President Johnson on March 21, 2019, 01:25:12 PM
LOL, the guy got what he deserved. But was still better than Bolsonaro.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on March 21, 2019, 01:56:22 PM
LOL, the guy got what he deserved. But was still better than Bolsonaro.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on March 21, 2019, 01:57:10 PM
LOL, the guy got what he deserved. But was still better than Bolsonaro.

Captain Obvious strikes again.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on March 21, 2019, 02:00:01 PM
Wasn't our beloved Fernie Color of Melon also investigated? What happened to that?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: 🦀🎂🦀🎂 on March 21, 2019, 02:02:18 PM
I am stunned that a PMDB politician could be less than morally scrupulous!


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on March 21, 2019, 02:19:54 PM
Let's also remember Temer is a world-class creep, marrying a 20-years old when he already was 63.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: PSOL on March 21, 2019, 02:45:23 PM
Bolsoñaro’s support crashes to Trump levels (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-politics-poll/popularity-of-bolsonaro-government-plummets-in-brazil-ibope-poll-idUSKCN1R12RW)
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Despite easily winning October’s election, Bolsonaro’s government has the worst approval rating of any administration at this early stage since Brazil returned to democracy three decades ago.

Pollster Ibope said 34 percent of those surveyed found the Bolsonaro government doing a “great/good” job, compared to 49 percent in mid-January. The government’s “bad/terrible” rating rose 13 percentage points to 24 percent, Ibope said
Is this a faster collapse than Macron or Macri?

Also lol that he is net positive with Evangelicals.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on March 21, 2019, 02:59:12 PM
Could somebody tell me what's the situation within the Congress? Which parties partake in/support Bolsonaro's government and what are the numbers between the government and the opposition? The wiki is pretty useless on this.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on April 02, 2019, 09:31:11 PM
It is very hard to update the stupid things Jair Bolsonaro, his kids and his ministers told/did. They do something stupid everyday.

Today, during the visit to the Museum of Holocaust in Israel, Bolsonaro told that national socialism was left-wing. It was written in the Museum that national socialism was a far right movement. Last year, the german ambassador in Brazil told that there is no debate about this topic in Germany: it is a consensus that national socialism was a far right movement.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on April 03, 2019, 05:41:53 AM
Well that's pretty much a staple of the "libertarian" right in both the US and Europe innit?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: RodPresident on April 06, 2019, 02:32:55 PM
PSL state legislator Douglas Garcia (PSL-SP) was outed after going in a  homophobic rant against Erica Malunguinho (PSOL-SP), first transgender elected to parliament. Commenting a law project who forbids transgender athletes to play in leagues not corresponding in their birth gender, he said that if he saw a "man who thinks who is a woman in same bathroom as my sister or my mother, I'd take him with my own hands, beating, before calling police". He was one of the creators of carnival bloc "Porao do Dops" after Brazilian military regime torturers.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: PSOL on April 12, 2019, 02:13:20 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-corruption-maia/brazil-house-speaker-key-to-pension-reform-accused-of-bribe-taking-document-idUSKCN1RO22P
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The federal police document was delivered to the Supreme Court, as part on an ongoing investigation into Maia. Brazilian politicians are protected from prosecution, unless the top court approves and agrees to hear a case.

The office of Rodrigo Maia, who has previously said he is innocent of graft allegations, did not respond to request for comment. Neither did his father, Cesar, a former federal congressman and mayor of Rio de Janeiro.

The accusations could prove a headache for the government of far-right President Jair Bolsonaro, which is relying on Maia to guide its thorny pension reform through an unbiddable Congress.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-accident/two-dead-after-buildings-collapse-in-militia-controlled-rio-neighborhood-idUSKCN1RO1OF
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“Two people were injured and two were killed, and teams are on the scene looking for survivors who may be buried,” a fire department spokesman said.

Powerful militias - originally created to defend inhabitants from drug gangs, but which now act as fearsome local crime outfits - have a strong presence in the neighborhood where the buildings collapsed. Militias often control gas and electricity services, but now make huge profits by stealing land and illegally selling it for construction projects.

“As (the region) is dominated by militias, the technicians of the municipal inspection office usually require the support of the military police to carry out inspections there,” the mayor’s office said in a statement, adding that it had shuttered several unauthorized constructions nearby last November.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on April 12, 2019, 10:31:22 PM
Could somebody tell me what's the situation within the Congress? Which parties partake in/support Bolsonaro's government and what are the numbers between the government and the opposition? The wiki is pretty useless on this.

Right/Far-right
PSL 52
PP 37
DEM 29
PSC 8
Total 126

Left
PT 56
PSB 32
PDT 28
PSOL 10
PCdoB 9
Total 135

Center-right
MDB 34
PSDB 29
Other 189
Total 252

Bolsonaro's safe supporting base has ~130 of the 513 seats. The opposition has ~130 too. The remaing ~250 are flip flop.

Probably, the congress will not approve the full text of Guedes's welfare reform. It will approve the minimum age of 65 for men and 62 for women, but it will not approve to replace the pay-as-you-go system to a chilean style saving system, because it is a stupid idea.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on April 28, 2019, 02:06:14 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-48062075 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-48062075)

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"Brazil can't be a country of the gay world, of gay tourism. We have families," he added.

Mr Bolsonaro has already drawn ire for being a self-described "homophobic".

In previous interviews he has said he would rather have a dead son than a homosexual son.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Sestak on April 28, 2019, 03:28:07 AM
Well, to be expected from the darling of the Atlas right.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: America Needs R'hllor on April 28, 2019, 04:39:10 AM
Evil homophobe is an evil homophobe.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on April 28, 2019, 06:46:09 AM
Well, to be expected from the darling of the Atlas right.

Including some gay people, of course.

Useful idiots if ever the term was justified.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: PSOL on April 28, 2019, 12:17:13 PM
Indigenous people protest on Brasília against land expropriation (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-indigenous/brazils-indigenous-tribes-protest-bolsonaro-assimilation-plan-idUSKCN1S22B5)
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Thousands of people representing the more than 300 tribes native to Brazil marched to government offices in Brasilia on Friday to protest the policies of right-wing President Jair Bolsonaro that threaten their reservation lands.

...

“Our families are in danger, our children are under threat, our people are being attacked. In the name of what they call economic progress they want to kill our people,” said David Karai Popygua, an ethnic Guarani Mbya from the state of Sao Paulo.
Fighting the good fight against settler colonialism. I hope there is at least delays to policy so things aren’t that irreversibly damaged.


Meanwhile, reality tv never felt so real.. (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/28/turf-war-breaks-between-bolsonaro-sons-and-brazil-vice-president)
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Mourão’s reprimand came after the president’s account shared an expletive-filled YouTube video in which Carvalho showed off his gun collection and skewered what he called the shameless, vain and boastful military regime which took power in the 1960s.

The video – reportedly shared by Carlos, who handles his father’s social media accounts – infuriated Brazil’s military establishment, forcing a partial retraction from the president.

But the president’s sons sprung to their Carvalho’s defence, with Carlos launching a barrage of overt social media attacks against Mourão – some reportedly sent from a shooting range where he was holed up.

“Mourão – you’re a disgrace. You betrayed us,” said a prominent conservative YouTuber said in a video painting the vice president as a vain attention-seeker bent on undermining his boss.

Bolsonaro’s son Eduardo who is also the South American representative of Bannon’s far-right group called “The Movement” joined the offensive launched by his brother, urging Mourão to keep his opinions to himself.
Can any Brazilian posters on the ground report more on these shenanigans? Specifically, the deal with what exact relevance Olavism entails and what led to this moment?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: brucejoel99 on April 28, 2019, 01:46:33 PM
Evil homophobe is an evil homophobe.

Color me shocked


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Obama-Biden Democrat on April 29, 2019, 05:11:32 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-48062075 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-48062075)

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"Brazil can't be a country of the gay world, of gay tourism. We have families," he added.

Mr Bolsonaro has already drawn ire for being a self-described "homophobic".

In previous interviews he has said he would rather have a dead son than a homosexual son.

Bolsonaro is a bizarre mix of Reaganite movement conservatism, Mike Pence style social conservatism and Trumpism.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on April 29, 2019, 06:13:33 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-48062075 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-48062075)

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"Brazil can't be a country of the gay world, of gay tourism. We have families," he added.

Mr Bolsonaro has already drawn ire for being a self-described "homophobic".

In previous interviews he has said he would rather have a dead son than a homosexual son.

Bolsonaro is a bizarre mix of Reaganite movement conservatism, Mike Pence style social conservatism and Trumpism.

There's a shock then, three different types of s*** equals s***e :)


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: LoneStarDem on April 30, 2019, 10:15:49 AM
Does anybody want to bet how long before Bolsonaro has Rousseff arrested ?

Lula is serving 12 years in prison & Temer got arrested recently.



Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on May 02, 2019, 05:17:09 PM
Weintraub, minister of education, decided to cut fund to the federal universities which allowed political activities inside their campuses. In the following day, he cancelled his decision, however, the cuts could take place in the second semester.
We have to worry about the rising authoritarism


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Senator Incitatus on May 02, 2019, 05:42:33 PM


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on May 21, 2019, 08:56:32 PM
On May 15th, many students and professors went to the streets from all the Brazilian big cities in order to protest against the budget cuts for the federal universities and federal high schools. In São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro, there were >100.000 on the streets.

Bolsonaro told that the cuts were result of the lack of resources because of the fall of the tax revenue. However, the cuts have ideological motivations. The ministry of education has already told that he was going to fight against the marxist ideology of the federal universities. This is a threat to the academic freedom, when the government cuts funding of the universities because the universities teach topics which the government dislikes.

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2019/05/15/world/americas/ap-lt-brazil-education-protests.html




Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: D4C on May 26, 2019, 11:42:31 AM
Pro-Bolsonaro rallies have been happening today, so far they have been reported in at least 52 cities and 12 states + Federal District. These people in the rallies are supporting government projects/acts like the pension reform, Moro's anticrime package and the extinction of some ministries. The calls to take part in these acts started after the May 15th protests against Bolsonaro.

So far there doesn't seem to be any official number of people in these rallies.

Edit: Now rallies have been reported in all states in 156 cities.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on June 02, 2019, 08:48:38 AM
The anti-Bolsonaro pro-education rallies of students and teachers which took place on May 30th were not as big as the rallies of the May 15th, but they were much bigger than the pro-Bolsonaro rallies of the May 26th.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2019/may/31/protesters-take-to-brazils-streets-in-pictures


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: D4C on June 10, 2019, 01:01:23 PM
Some days ago Minister Sergio Moro had his cellphone hacked. Initially nothing too serious seemed to have happened but yesterday, journalists Glenn Greenwald, Alexandre de Sati and Rafael Moro de Martins from The Intercept released messages exchanged between Moro and Lava Jato prosecutors. According to the journalists, an anonymous source provided the private chats, audio recordings, videos and photos before Moro had his phone hacked.

Among the claims made by The Intercept, they said that one of the prosecutors, Deltan Dallagnol, who is a very important figure in Lava Jato expressed doubts whether there was sufficient information to establish Lula as guilty. It also claimed that Moro gave strategic advice to prosecutors.

The Intercept also said that many prosecutors expressed indignation when the Supreme Court justice Ricardo Lewandowski authorized the newspaper Folha de São Paulo to interview Lula during the election period. According to The Intercept, prosecutor Laura Tessler said that "an interview with Lula might elect Haddad if it happens close to the second round." The journalists also said that the prosecutors quickly started planning a way to prevent the interview from happening. When the authorization to interview Lula was revoked by Supreme Court judge Luiz Fux, the prosecutors commemorated according to The Intercept.

Vice President Hamilton Mourão said that Moro's messages posted by The Intercept are just private messages out of context. Moro said that he isn't even sure if those messages are real, but even if they are, the messages don't show any illegal action made by him.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: D4C on June 11, 2019, 07:37:58 PM
The president of the senate, Davi Alcolumble announced that Justice Minister Moro is going to speak before the Constitution and Justice Committee on June 19th to explain the leaked conversations with Dallagnol.

The 2nd panel of the Supreme Court has defined that they are going to resume the debate on Lula's habeas corpus on June 25th, if 3 out of the 5 judges vote in favor of the habeas corpus, Lula would be released from jail. This habeas corpus was presented last year by Lula's defense after judge Moro accepted the invite to become justice minister made by Jair Bolsonaro. The 2nd panel started debating this on December, but the trial was suspended on December 4th after judge Gilmar Mendes requested a hearing, when he stopped the trial, two judges had voted and both voted against Lula's request.

The 2nd panel is composed by judges Marco Aurelio (voted against Lula's request), Carmen Lúcia (voted against), Gilmar Mendes (likely to vote in favor), Ricardo Lewandowski (likely to vote in favor) and Celso de Mello (who is probably going to be the vote that decides whether Lula gets out of jail or stays there).

The 2nd panel of the Supreme Court started discussing whether people can go to jail after getting convicted by an appellate court and before having exhausted all their appeals. Justice Lewandoswki voted that people can not go the jail before exhausting all their appeals, however, the other 4 justices voted to bring this issue to the plenary of the court, this means that all the judges, regardless of which panel they belong, are going to vote on this.

Bolsonaro has remained pretty quiet about the issue with Moro but other public figures have talked about it. Chief of Staff of the Presidency, Onyx Lorenzoni, defended Moro and downplayed the accusation against Moro and called him a "hero who helped to save Brazil from PT".

Three supreme court justices have also talked about the accusations against Moro. Gilmar Mendes said that even if the evidence against Moro was obtained in an illegal manner it would still be valid against him. Marco Aurelio said the opposite that Gilmar said, arguing that using evidence obtained illegally could represent a setback to democracy. Justice Luís Roberto Barroso criticized the "joy coming from the corrupts" after the messages were released by The Intercept.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on June 14, 2019, 08:28:52 AM
Former judge Moro's and attorney Dallanol's actions were ilegal. The judge should be neutral between the attorney, who makes the accusation, and the lawyer, who makes the defense. Moro was clearly pro-accusation. Article 254 of the Brazilian code of penal procedure makes clear that the judge is not allowed to have private conversations with the important actors before the trial. The Intercept published that Moro and Dallanol had lot of private chat and that Moro helped Dallanol.
Lula's trial can become invalid and Lula can be released.
But Moro and Dallanol can not be sued because their chat was found through ilegal means. That is ironic, because Dallanol wanted in the past that ilegal proofs could be used in the trials. Dallanol was saved because his own proposal was not implemented.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on June 20, 2019, 09:17:16 AM
Intercept showed new messages, in which former judge Sérgio Moro asked attorney Deltan Dallanol why former president Fernando Henrique Cardoso (PSDB) was being investigated by the Car Wash Operation. Dallanol answered that it was necessary to create a image that Car Wash was not partisan and not anti-PT biased. Moro answered that it was better not to investigate Cardoso, because the former president might became angry and his endorsement was important for the sucess of the Car Wash Operation.

It is ilegal a judge advise an attorney who should and who should not be investigated.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on June 29, 2019, 09:09:06 AM
Airman with Brazil's G20 delegation held over drug trafficking
Spanish police find cocaine in man’s luggage at Seville airport en route to Tokyo summit

Spanish police have arrested a member of the air force travelling with the Brazilian president’s advance party for the G20 summit in Japan after 39kg of cocaine was discovered in his luggage during a stopover in Seville.
A spokesman for the Guardia Civil said the man was arrested on Tuesday after his plane landed at the Andalucían airport.
“The serviceman was travelling on a military plane that had flown in from Brazil and stopped over at Seville airport en route to Tokyo,” he said.
“The serviceman was found to have cocaine in his hand baggage that weighed a total of 39kg. He was arrested on suspicion of drug trafficking and is currently in custody at our Seville headquarters waiting to appear before a judge.”
It is understood the plane was carrying a military delegation tasked with protecting the Brazilian president, Jair Bolsonaro, during the summit in the Japanese capital.
Bolsonaro confirmed the news in a statement on Tuesday night, saying he had been informed of the airman’s arrest by the defence minister.
“I immediately ordered the defence minister to cooperate with Spanish police to establish the facts and cooperate with every stage of the investigation, and to launch an investigation by the military police,” he said.
“There are around 300,000 men and women in the armed forces who are trained to uphold the highest principles of ethics and morality. If the airman is found to have committed a crime, he will be tried and convicted according to the law.”

Leaders are due to gather in Osaka on Friday and Saturday as Japan hosts its first G20 summit. As well as the main gathering, there will be meetings between finance ministers, central bank governors and foreign ministers.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/26/soldier-with-brazil-g20-bolsonaro-delegation-held-over-drug-trafficking





Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on June 29, 2019, 09:12:37 AM
Ibope Poll June 27th 2019

How do you evaluate Bolsonaro's administration?
Very good/Good 32%
Regular 32%
Very bad/Bad 32%

Do you approve or disapprove Bolsonaro?
Approve 46%
Disapprove 48%


This is the lowest approval rate of a brazilian president in the first semester of the first term.


However, considering his administration, I don't know the content of the brain of the 32% who think that it is good or very good.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on June 29, 2019, 11:16:27 AM
Bolsonaro should hire somebody to stab him again to improve his ratings.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on July 02, 2019, 07:19:07 PM
Say what you will about Brazilians electing this maniac by a sizable margin, but they seem to be learning that they made a mistake faster than we are about our own madman President.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on July 13, 2019, 08:22:07 AM
Jair Bolsonaro is considering the possibility of making his son Eduardo Bolsonaro the Brazilian ambassador in Washington DC. Usually, this position is held by a career diplomat from Itamaraty, the Foreign Office.
Eduardo told that he is able to have this job because he speaks English and because he has already fried burgers in the USA. He is also a friend of Ivanka Trump.
Eduardo has already said that Pinochet was a great leader and that left-wing feminists don't shave the hair of the body.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on July 28, 2019, 09:55:57 AM
Inpe, the National Institute of Spatial Research, told that in June 2019, the Amazon had its highest deforestation rate.
What did Bolsonaro do? Something against deforetation? No, he told that Inpe is not reliable!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-49052360

Amazon deforestation: Brazil's Bolsonaro dismisses data as 'lies'

Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro has accused his own country's national space institute of lying about the scale of deforestation in the Amazon.

He said the institute was smearing Brazil's reputation abroad by publishing data showing a dramatic increase in deforestation there.

The far-right president said he wanted to meet with the head of the agency to discuss the issue.

The National Space Research Institute (Inpe) says its data is 95% accurate.

Mr Bolsonaro's comments on Friday came a day after preliminary satellite data released by Inpe showed that more than 1,000 sq km (400 sq miles) of the rainforest had been cleared in the first 15 days of July - an increase of 68% from the entire month of July 2018.

Speaking in a meeting with foreign journalists, Mr Bolsonaro said the data "doesn't relate to the reality".

Scientists say the Amazon has suffered losses at an accelerated rate since Mr Bolsonaro took office in January, with policies that favour development over conservation.

As the largest rainforest in the world, the Amazon is a vital carbon store that slows down the pace of global warming.

Official figures suggest that the biggest reason to fell trees there is to create new pastures for cattle.

Over the past decade, previous governments had managed to reduce deforestation with concerted action by federal agencies and a system of fines.

But Mr Bolsonaro and his ministers have criticised the penalties and overseen a dramatic fall in confiscations of timber and convictions for environmental crimes.

Several scientific institutions, including the Brazilian Academy of Sciences, have defended Inpe and the accuracy of its data.

In his comments to foreign journalists on Friday, Mr Bolsonaro also denied the existence of hunger in Brazil. He said there are no "people on the streets with skeletal physiques as seen in other countries", the Reuters news reports.

According to data from the UN's Food and Agriculture Organization, some 5.2 million people suffered from hunger in Brazil in 2017.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on July 29, 2019, 07:43:12 PM
Bolsonaro doesn't know any limit. In this week, Felipe Santa Cruz, president of the Brazilian Lawyers Association (OAB) criticized the administration. Bolsonaro answering telling that he has some information related to Cruz's father. Cruz's disapeared during the military dictatorship (1964-1985), regime which Bolsonaro has positive view.


When he was a congressman in 2016, during the voting of the Rousseff's impeachment, Bolsonaro honored the man who tortured Dilma Rousseff during the military dictatorship.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on July 29, 2019, 07:46:22 PM
https://nownews2019.wordpress.com/2019/07/29/oab-president-will-address-bolsonaro/


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on August 23, 2019, 07:56:39 PM
Bolsonaro is an underdog when he talks to Trump, now he wants to be a patriot while talking to Macron and Merkel!


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on August 23, 2019, 08:10:29 PM
I don't like American and European political leaders and media who say that the South American countries in which the Amazon Forest is located should loose the soveregnty rights of the area of the forest.
But we have to preserve!

There was a large destruction of the Amazon and murder of natives during the military dictatorship (1964-1985), period which Bolsonaro (former army captain) told that was very good. The military governments wanted to bring "development" to the Amazon.
The civilian governments tried to have a different approach.
Workers' Party administrations, Lula and Dilma (2003-2016), had an intermediate record considering the Amazon. Deflorestation declined from 2004 to 2012, and then started to rise again. Lula took some actions to reduce deflorestation, but he supported the buinding of power plants in the rivers, like the Belo Monte Power Plant. Dilma was his minister and supported the project. Marina Silva, former environment minister, didn't like and asked her dismissal.
During Dilma's adminsitration, the congressmen supported by the big landowners (bancada ruralista) became very strong, and she couldn't do very much to support the environment.

While Lula and Dilma were neither very good nor very bad to the preservation of the Amazon Forest, Temer was very bad and Bolsonaro is horrible.

Now Bolsonaro is using a nationalist speech against Macron, but his government is not nationalist. Bolsonaro do everything Trump tells. No Brazilian government in the past was so submissive to the US government, neither left-wing nor right-wing.



Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: SNJ1985 on August 23, 2019, 08:39:46 PM
1. https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/145464/fires-in-brazil (https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/145464/fires-in-brazil)

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As of August 16, 2019, an analysis of NASA satellite data indicated that total fire activity across the Amazon basin this year has been close to the average in comparison to the past 15 years. (The Amazon spreads across Brazil, Peru, Colombia, and parts of other countries.)

Though activity appears to be above average in the states of Amazonas and Rondônia, it has so far appeared below average in Mato Grosso and Pará, according to estimates from the Global Fire Emissions Database, a research project that compiles and analyzes NASA data.

2. According to the BBC, the total CO2 equivalent emissions (used to measure the amount and intensity of fire activity) in Brazil were actually higher in 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2007 (under Lula) than in 2019.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-49433767 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-49433767)

3. Many of the photos being shared by Bolsonaro opponents, including the one in this tweet by Emmanuel Macron (https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1164617008962527232), were either taken before Bolsonaro took office or not even taken in Brazil at all.

4. Bolsonaro has just authorized the military to go in and fight the fires.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: urutzizu on August 24, 2019, 02:25:01 AM
The impact here in Europe of the news about the Rainforest is huge. France and Ireland have announced that they will try to block the Mercosur-EU Free Trade Agreement. More countries will likely follow. Finland is even proposing a Embargo on Brazilian Meat.

Blocking the FTA and the Embargo are the right step. It is unfortunate that the smaller economies Argentina and the others will have to suffer from the decision too, but it is necessary to do whatever we can to put pressure on Bolsonaro.
Blocking Brazilian Agribusiness from Access to their vital export markets will hopefully make them use their huge lobby in the Brazilian Congress to pressure Bolsonaro.
I have to disagree on the sovereignty issue. These Rainforests, just like the seas, are property of the earth, and they are necessary for its survival. We cannot allow anyone to destroy our common planet and existance in the name of the holy grail of "national sovereignty". However there is of course Hypocrisy among Europeans/Americans, when we rightly want to stop Bolsonaro from destroying, but are ourselves Bigger polluters than Brazil.



Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on September 07, 2019, 08:07:09 AM
1. https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/145464/fires-in-brazil (https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/145464/fires-in-brazil)

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As of August 16, 2019, an analysis of NASA satellite data indicated that total fire activity across the Amazon basin this year has been close to the average in comparison to the past 15 years. (The Amazon spreads across Brazil, Peru, Colombia, and parts of other countries.)

Though activity appears to be above average in the states of Amazonas and Rondônia, it has so far appeared below average in Mato Grosso and Pará, according to estimates from the Global Fire Emissions Database, a research project that compiles and analyzes NASA data.

2. According to the BBC, the total CO2 equivalent emissions (used to measure the amount and intensity of fire activity) in Brazil were actually higher in 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2007 (under Lula) than in 2019.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-49433767 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-49433767)

3. Many of the photos being shared by Bolsonaro opponents, including the one in this tweet by Emmanuel Macron (https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1164617008962527232), were either taken before Bolsonaro took office or not even taken in Brazil at all.

4. Bolsonaro has just authorized the military to go in and fight the fires.

Between 2003 and 2007 was higher, but declining until 2012

"3. Many of the photos being shared by Bolsonaro opponents, including the one in this tweet by Emmanuel Macron (https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1164617008962527232), were either taken before Bolsonaro took office or not even taken in Brazil at all." Many photos were taken before, it is wrong to use these photos, but it does not eliminate the fact that the deflorestation and the burning are increasing and that there are new photos to show.



Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on September 07, 2019, 08:10:47 AM
Datafolha Poll, September 2nd 2019


How do you rate Bolsonaro's administration?
Good/Very good: 29%
Regular: 30%
Bad/Very bad: 38%

https://www.cartacapital.com.br/politica/datafolha-reprovacao-de-bolsonaro-vai-de-33-a-38-e-supera-popularidade/




Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on September 26, 2019, 07:06:39 PM
Since 1947, Brazil starts the speechs in the UN General Assembly. Jair Bolsonaro performed the worst speech of these 72 years. It looked like a web site of far-right conspiracy theories. It was a shame for Brazil!


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on September 26, 2019, 07:09:25 PM
Ibope Poll, September 22nd 2019

How do you rate Bolsonaro's administration?
Good/Very Good: 31%
Regular: 32%
Bad/Very Bad: 34%

Do you approve or disapprove?
Approve: 44%
Disapprove: 50%

https://g1.globo.com/politica/noticia/2019/09/25/governo-jair-bolsonaro-tem-aprovacao-de-31percent-e-reprovacao-de-34percent-diz-pesquisa-ibope.ghtml


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on October 28, 2019, 08:43:54 PM
Bolsonaro refused to congratulate Alberto Fernandez for his victory. Not diplomatic.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Ebsy on October 30, 2019, 01:46:55 PM
So uh, nothing about today's, er, events?

Globo TV report that the assassins of Marielle Franco stopped by Bolsonaro's residence on the way to murder her



And, uh, the reaction from Riyadh:





Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Peanut on October 30, 2019, 06:13:05 PM
Ele é louco, sem dúvida.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: RodPresident on October 30, 2019, 10:03:39 PM
So uh, nothing about today's, er, events?

Globo TV report that the assassins of Marielle Franco stopped by Bolsonaro's residence on the way to murder her



And, uh, the reaction from Riyadh:


He woke up 4 a.m. to do this rant! But Brazil wants to know "Who was in House nº 58?"




Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: 🦀🎂🦀🎂 on October 31, 2019, 07:33:20 AM
what's happening with the Brazilian Party System at the moment? How are PSL adjusting to their rapid ascension? Are the traditional right wing parties - the PSDB, the MDB, the Democrats etc. - coping? Is PT showing a resurgence?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: President Johnson on October 31, 2019, 02:45:14 PM
Lmao



Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: RodPresident on November 01, 2019, 09:03:10 PM
what's happening with the Brazilian Party System at the moment? How are PSL adjusting to their rapid ascension? Are the traditional right wing parties - the PSDB, the MDB, the Democrats etc. - coping? Is PT showing a resurgence?
Last weeks, PSL is in a internal crisis between Bolsonaro ultras and pragmaticals who follow PSL's owner president Luciano Bivar who owns a millionaire party fund due to 2018 electoral performance. Pro-Bolsonaro's wing was able to impose Eduardo Bolsonaro "03" as caucus leader to replace Sheriff Waldir - who called Bolsonaro as "vagabundo" for betraying party companions for his family. Bolsonaro also fired Joice Hasselmann as Congress' leader.
PSDB is now controlled by Doria's who calls for moderation after getting elected due to "Bolsodoria"' campaign. DEM who leads legislative branch (Senate and Chamber) leads Centrao's physiological parties. MDB is under the shadows, but now 2 of Bolsonaro's leaders are from them (Bezerra Coelho and Eduardo Gomes). PT is more isolated with Lula Livre's monotony and absent from big fights. Ciro Gomes is the true opposition leader but suffers betrayals from PDT caucus.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on November 05, 2019, 08:01:54 PM
The investigation of the Civil Police from Rio de Janeiro found that the murder of Rio de Janeiro city legislator Marielle Franco visited the neighbor of Jair Bolsonaro, who is a military policeman, before the crime. This military policeman belongs to the "militia", who are criminal organizations in which policemen take part.
The Civil Police interogated the vigilant of the condominium where Bolsonaro and his neighbor live, and the vigilant told that in the day of the crime, the murder asked the authorization of Bolsonaro to get inside the condominium and visit Bolsonaro's neighbor.
After TV showed this news, which were a scandal for Bolsonaro, the public attorney of Rio de Janeiro checked the recording of the entrance of the condominium and found that the vigilant didn't tell the truth and that the murder asked the autorization for the neighbor and not Bolsonaro. However, in the day after, the media found that the public attorney was a supporter of Bolsonaro (after searching her social networks, like Facebook) and that she was not reliable for the investigation. It was also found that the recording of the condominium was not complete and that some audio could have been lost.

Even if is not true that the murder asked the authorization to Bolsonaro to get inside the condominium and visit the neighbor in the day of the crime, it is a bothering issue that the murder has close ties to the neighbor of the president of the republic. We still do not know the relation between Bolsonaro and his neighbor, but we know that the neighbor is a policeman who takes part in the militia, and Bolsonaro family has close ties with policemen who take part in the militia. When the senator Flavio Bolsonaro was legislator of the state of Rio de Janeiro, he employed in his cabinett relatives of policemen who took part in the militia.

There is no evidence that Jair Bolsonaro and his kids have any relation to the murder of Marielle Franco, but the family has ties to policemen who take part in the militia and the investigation found out that some policemen who take part in the militia were related to the crime.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: PSOL on November 06, 2019, 07:36:35 PM
What betrayal is Ciro Gomes facing from his own party? Also is the PSOL making any gains on their own or what with the two main left party’s in their own issues?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: RodPresident on November 08, 2019, 08:35:40 PM
What betrayal is Ciro Gomes facing from his own party? Also is the PSOL making any gains on their own or what with the two main left party’s in their own issues?
In Pensions'r reform some voted for reform (8 congressman of 30 and senator Katia Abreu, Ciro's running-mate). PSOL is now in crossroads, between a lone run or going to do a left-wing front.
AND LULA IS FREE!


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on November 08, 2019, 09:00:48 PM




Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on November 08, 2019, 10:38:05 PM
Brazilian Constitution tells that someone should go to the prison only when there is no more possibility of appeal or if a judge decides that it is dangerous for the society someone to be outside the prison.
In 2016, the Supreme Court decided that everyone who is sentenced in a second trial should go directly to the prison. It was a strange decision, since the Supreme Court is in charge to respect the Constitution, and the Constitution tells that only convicted after all possible trials should go the prison.
Yesterday, the Supreme Court changed its view and followed the Constitution.

Since Lula was sentenced by regional courts, but he was not sentenced by the Supreme Court yet, he was freed. He can wait his final trial free.

Even without the decision of the Supreme Court, Lula could be released. He served in the prison more than 1/6 of his sentence, so, he has the right of parole.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on November 08, 2019, 10:39:59 PM
Yesterday, Brazilian diplomacy did something very stupid. Besides USA and Israel, only Brazil voted for the sanctions for Cuba. Other 187 countries voted against.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on November 09, 2019, 08:23:31 AM
Yesterday, Brazilian diplomacy did something very stupid. Besides USA and Israel, only Brazil voted for the sanctions for Cuba. Other 187 countries voted against.

That's not going to encourage the conspiracy theorists at all, no sirree.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on November 14, 2019, 09:14:18 AM
Venezuela ambassy in Brasília was invaded by Guaidó supporters. Eduardo Bolsonaro supported the invasion. The police took a very long time to remove the invaders. Some congresspeople from PT and PSOL got inside the ambassy in order to fight against the invaders.

Eduardo Bolsonaro has not high democratic credentials. Few days ago he said that a self-coup, like the one that took place in Brazil in 1968, should be considered an option.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on November 27, 2019, 05:25:16 PM
Bolsonaro family is not member of the PSL anymore. They decided to create their own far-right party, the Alliance for Brazil. The number of the party is 38 (coincidence: the number of the most famous gun). Look at the picture of the logo of the party
https://www.alagoas24horas.com.br/1258757/bolsonaro-faz-ato-de-lancamento-de-novo-partido-em-brasilia/


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on November 27, 2019, 05:27:07 PM
Brazil's economic minister causes uproar mentioning dictatorship decree

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Two of Brazil’s former presidents, a chief justice and heads of both chambers of Congress on Tuesday repudiated the country’s economy minister for saying the government might take draconian steps if leftist opponents stirred up protests such as those in Chile.
Speaking in Washington on Monday about turmoil in neighboring countries, Economy Minister Paulo Guedes told reporters not to be surprised if somebody called for an AI-5, a measure decreed by the 1964-1985 military dictatorship to close Congress and suppress dissent.

His remarks come weeks after the release from prison of leftist ex-President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, setting the stage for political confrontation with right-wing President Jair Bolsonaro. Lula has vowed to unite the left behind his Workers Party to win the 2022 elections.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-politics-guedes/brazils-guedes-causes-anger-by-reference-to-dictatorship-decree-idUSKBN1Y01XK



Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on November 29, 2019, 03:24:48 PM
Look how bizarre


Jair Bolsonaro
Brazil’s president claims DiCaprio paid for Amazon fires
Jair Bolsonaro falsely accuses actor of funding deliberate destruction of rainforest
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/29/brazils-president-claims-dicaprio-paid-for-amazon-fires


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on December 04, 2019, 07:52:01 PM
Trump renews tariff threat on Brazil and Argentina

Bolsonaro behaves like a Trump's pet and we win nothing!


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on December 09, 2019, 06:39:10 PM
Datafolha Poll December 8th 2019

Bolsonaro's administration rating
30% Good/Very good
32% Regular
36% Bad/Very bad


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on December 22, 2019, 12:49:38 PM
Jair's son, senator Flavio Bolsonaro, is investigated because he is suspicious to have employed fake employees in his cabinett (every representative and senator is allowed to employ some staff) in order to take their wages. Flavio is having trouble to explain how can he own flats whose value is much higher than someone who earns only the wage of a congressman can buy.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-50859314



Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on December 26, 2019, 09:11:12 PM
Comedian group Porta dos Fundos (translation: backdoor) led by Gregório Duvivier made a short movie about a Jesus Christ who goes back home and presents his new boyfriend to his father.

The office of Porta dos Fundos was attacked by homemade bombs. It is suspicious that far-right religious groups could have been responsible for the attack.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: afleitch on December 27, 2019, 05:01:37 PM
Comedian group Porta dos Fundos (translation: backdoor) led by Gregório Duvivier made a short movie about a Jesus Christ who goes back home and presents his new boyfriend to his father.

The office of Porta dos Fundos was attacked by homemade bombs. It is suspicious that far-right religious groups could have been responsible for the attack.

Snowflakes.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on January 17, 2020, 07:36:14 PM
Secretary of Culture, announcing an art contest, reproduced a Goebbels's speech, using exactly the same words. Of course, the German Ambassy, the Jewish Association complained.
Not good for a president and for a minister of foreign affairs who told last year that national socialism was left-wing.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: America Needs R'hllor on January 18, 2020, 08:54:23 AM
Secretary of Culture, announcing an art contest, reproduced a Goebbels's speech, using exactly the same words. Of course, the German Ambassy, the Jewish Association complained.
Not good for a president and for a minister of foreign affairs who told last year that national socialism was left-wing.

Right wing Jews who support far right parties and leaders will always be surprised when they discover that these people are anti-semitic, huh?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: PSOL on January 18, 2020, 12:09:33 PM
Secretary of Culture, announcing an art contest, reproduced a Goebbels's speech, using exactly the same words. Of course, the German Ambassy, the Jewish Association complained.
Not good for a president and for a minister of foreign affairs who told last year that national socialism was left-wing.

Right wing Jews who support far right parties and leaders will always be surprised when they discover that these people are anti-semitic, huh?
There are Haredi Jews that support Le Pen, so either they are very deaf to the dog whistles or just don’t care.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on January 18, 2020, 04:25:56 PM
Some jews support Bolsonaro because he is the most pro-Israel brazilian leader.

Yes, the far-right has a double view about the jews. The intelectual leader of the brazilian government, the former astrologist Olavo de Carvalho is very pro Israel but sometimes he has some dog whistles, like considering George Soros evil, considering the Frankfurt School evil.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on February 05, 2020, 08:19:14 PM
Brazilian picture "Democracy on the edge" is an Oscar nominee in the best documentary category.
It is a left-wing view of the political events in Brazil in the 2010s. The director was born in 1984, the year of the redemocratization in Brazil, and her main argument is that between 1984 and 2014, there was a hope that Brazil could become a full democracy like a developed country, but events that led to Dilma Rousseff's impeachment and Lula's prision made the Brazilian democracy rigged.

Of course, right-wing politicians and journalists disliked the movie. Bolsonaro used his official twitter to say that director Petra Costa is against Brazil.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on February 19, 2020, 10:11:26 PM
News from Brazil:

A police officer from Rio de Janeiro, who takes part in the militia (the mafia of policemen) and is a friend of the Bolsonaro family, was killed by the police in Bahia. Probably it was an execution, and not an attempt to resist to an arrest order. The left usually says that it was an operation in order to keep silence and avoid the policeman to speak about his ties with Bolsonaro family. Although the governor of Bahia belongs to PT, policemen usually support Bolsonaro, no matter the party of the governor of the state. Bolsonaro family usually says that the PT governor wanted to kill the policeman.

During the 2018 campaign, newspaper Folha de S. Paulo published news about businessmen who paid to ilegal campaign in Whatsapp. This ilegal campaign used many hoaxes. Last week, a former worker of the firm who put the ilegal advertising in Whatsapp accused Folha's journalist to offer sex in exchange for information. He didn't show any proof. This week, Bolsonaro repeated the accusation. So, we can see that he committed both false accusation and sexism.

There is a strike of military police in the state of Ceará. Former governor Cid Gomes, brother of the 2018 candidate Ciro Gomes, try to get closer to the demonstration of the policemen, driving a tractor, in order to negotiate. Cid Gomes was shot, but his life is not in danger.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: PSOL on March 03, 2020, 10:40:08 AM
 World's biggest meat company linked to 'brutal massacre' in Amazon (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/03/worlds-biggest-meat-company-linked-to-brutal-massacre-in-amazon)
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A new investigation has linked the world’s biggest meat company JBS, and its rival Marfrig, to a farm whose owner is implicated in one of the most brutal Amazonian massacres in recent memory.

The report by Repórter Brasil comes as JBS faces growing pressure over transparency failings in its Amazon cattle supply chain.

On 19 April 2017, nine men were brutally murdered in what became known as the “Colniza massacre”. The men had been squatting on remote forest land in the state of Mato Grosso when their bodies were found, according to court documents. Some showed signs of torture; some had been stabbed, others shot.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on March 04, 2020, 08:15:52 PM
Today, IBGE announced that the brazilian GDP grew 1.1% in 2019, after 1.3% growth in 2017 and 2018. Chicago economics, which started in the second (short) Dilma's term in 2015, was made more intense by Temer after May 2016 and became even stronger under Bolsonaro (and his minister Paulo Guedes), showed mediocre results.

When talking to this result to the media, Bolsonaro, instead of being serious, put a comedian imitating him to distribute bananas to the journalists.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on March 04, 2020, 08:17:49 PM
World's biggest meat company linked to 'brutal massacre' in Amazon (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/03/worlds-biggest-meat-company-linked-to-brutal-massacre-in-amazon)
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A new investigation has linked the world’s biggest meat company JBS, and its rival Marfrig, to a farm whose owner is implicated in one of the most brutal Amazonian massacres in recent memory.

The report by Repórter Brasil comes as JBS faces growing pressure over transparency failings in its Amazon cattle supply chain.

On 19 April 2017, nine men were brutally murdered in what became known as the “Colniza massacre”. The men had been squatting on remote forest land in the state of Mato Grosso when their bodies were found, according to court documents. Some showed signs of torture; some had been stabbed, others shot.

Interesting to know who are the firms behind crimes against Amazon and its peoples

I suggest also to read this article https://theintercept.com/2019/08/27/amazon-rainforest-fire-blackstone/


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on March 12, 2020, 04:09:11 PM
One member of Jair Bolsonaro's staff has coronavirus. He was diagnosed after returning from Florida. The test showed positive result. Bolsonaro took the test today and the result will be released tomorrow. We will see if he is infected too.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on March 12, 2020, 04:14:09 PM
Hard week in Brazil:

Bolsonaro called protests against the Congress and the Supreme Court because he says that both are harming his job. It is democratic to show dissatisfaction against the branches of power. However, some far-right groups who support Bolsonaro call for shut the Congress and the Supreme Court, like a Fujimori style coup. According to the Article 85 of the Federal Constitution, threat to democratic institution is an offense which justifies impeachment.

There are lots of political and economic uncertainties: US$1=R$4.20 at the beggining of 2020. Today, the dollar reached R$5.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on March 16, 2020, 09:41:46 PM
Do you know what do "dumb people" mean? See this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBifclVeFh8


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on March 20, 2020, 07:30:51 PM
Impeachment of Jair Bolsonaro is already discussed by some politicians. Threat to democratic institutions and mismanagement of the cov19 crisis are the motives.
On Monday, one representative of Rede (Marina Silva's party) sent an impeachment request to the House. Two days later, three representatives of PSOL sent another impeachment request. The president of PSOL told that these three representatives were acting by themselves and not in the name of the party. He told that the direction of the party considers that impeachment is not the priority now.

To be approved, the impeachment request should by accepted by the president of the House Rodrigo Maia. Than, it should be approved by a special comission in the House, and then, it needs 2/3 of the votes of the whole House. Then, it needs 2/3 of the votes of the Senate.
Maia, although a conservative, is doing several criticism on Bolsonaro's administration. But he is not going to accept the request until he is sure that there will be more than 2/3 of the votes. If the impeachment goes to vote and fails to reach 2/3, Bolsonaro can get stronger.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: RodPresident on March 21, 2020, 10:20:21 AM
Impeachment of Jair Bolsonaro is already discussed by some politicians. Threat to democratic institutions and mismanagement of the cov19 crisis are the motives.
On Monday, one representative of Rede (Marina Silva's party) sent an impeachment request to the House. Two days later, three representatives of PSOL sent another impeachment request. The president of PSOL told that these three representatives were acting by themselves and not in the name of the party. He told that the direction of the party considers that impeachment is not the priority now.

To be approved, the impeachment request should by accepted by the president of the House Rodrigo Maia. Than, it should be approved by a special comission in the House, and then, it needs 2/3 of the votes of the whole House. Then, it needs 2/3 of the votes of the Senate.
Maia, although a conservative, is doing several criticism on Bolsonaro's administration. But he is not going to accept the request until he is sure that there will be more than 2/3 of the votes. If the impeachment goes to vote and fails to reach 2/3, Bolsonaro can get stronger.

Bolsonaro's inneptitude is shocking for all who didn't know him before. He's attacking governors for adopting mesures as shopping closures and road blocks (like Wilson Witzel and Joao Doria who became president's enemy). Cacerolazos are being made daily and today one is programmed as "birthday gift" to Bolsonaro.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on March 21, 2020, 11:51:52 AM
Impeachment of Jair Bolsonaro is already discussed by some politicians. Threat to democratic institutions and mismanagement of the cov19 crisis are the motives.
On Monday, one representative of Rede (Marina Silva's party) sent an impeachment request to the House. Two days later, three representatives of PSOL sent another impeachment request. The president of PSOL told that these three representatives were acting by themselves and not in the name of the party. He told that the direction of the party considers that impeachment is not the priority now.

To be approved, the impeachment request should by accepted by the president of the House Rodrigo Maia. Than, it should be approved by a special comission in the House, and then, it needs 2/3 of the votes of the whole House. Then, it needs 2/3 of the votes of the Senate.
Maia, although a conservative, is doing several criticism on Bolsonaro's administration. But he is not going to accept the request until he is sure that there will be more than 2/3 of the votes. If the impeachment goes to vote and fails to reach 2/3, Bolsonaro can get stronger.

Bolsonaro's inneptitude is shocking for all who didn't know him before. He's attacking governors for adopting mesures as shopping closures and road blocks (like Wilson Witzel and Joao Doria who became president's enemy). Cacerolazos are being made daily and today one is programmed as "birthday gift" to Bolsonaro.

Right wing clown turns out to be a clown shocker.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: brucejoel99 on March 21, 2020, 03:10:03 PM
Impeachment of Jair Bolsonaro is already discussed by some politicians. Threat to democratic institutions and mismanagement of the cov19 crisis are the motives.
On Monday, one representative of Rede (Marina Silva's party) sent an impeachment request to the House. Two days later, three representatives of PSOL sent another impeachment request. The president of PSOL told that these three representatives were acting by themselves and not in the name of the party. He told that the direction of the party considers that impeachment is not the priority now.

To be approved, the impeachment request should by accepted by the president of the House Rodrigo Maia. Than, it should be approved by a special comission in the House, and then, it needs 2/3 of the votes of the whole House. Then, it needs 2/3 of the votes of the Senate.
Maia, although a conservative, is doing several criticism on Bolsonaro's administration. But he is not going to accept the request until he is sure that there will be more than 2/3 of the votes. If the impeachment goes to vote and fails to reach 2/3, Bolsonaro can get stronger.

Well, after he managed to get himself expelled from his own party & literally antagonize everybody in both houses of Congress, this is certainly not unexpected.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on March 24, 2020, 04:57:42 PM
I think after this week, more than 2/3 of both houses would support impeachment, but it is not good a political crisis during a public health crisis. That's why even the mainstream PSOL thinks that it is not the time for impeachment (the far left wing of the party is campaigning for impeachment).

Bolsonaro is dealing very bad with Covid. He believes in far-right anti-scientific propaganda which says that shut-down is not necessary. His son believes in conspiracy theories about China. At least the governors, even the most conservative ones, are making a good job and making the shut-down by themselves. And bureacratic workers in public organizations, like the Ministry of Health, universities and research institutes have some autonomy against crazy elected politicians.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: brucejoel99 on March 24, 2020, 05:48:27 PM
I think after this week, more than 2/3 of both houses would support impeachment, but it is not good a political crisis during a public health crisis. That's why even the mainstream PSOL thinks that it is not the time for impeachment (the far left wing of the party is campaigning for impeachment).

Bolsonaro is dealing very bad with Covid. He believes in far-right anti-scientific propaganda which says that shut-down is not necessary. His son believes in conspiracy theories about China. At least the governors, even the most conservative ones, are making a good job and making the shut-down by themselves. And bureacratic workers in public organizations, like the Ministry of Health, universities and research institutes have some autonomy against crazy elected politicians.

Hearing Brazilians turn against Bolsonaro gives me hope; sounds like he's trying to really f**k things up down there, much like our President up here. Many Americans will evidently just believe Trump & blame China for the crisis, but I'd feared that other countries would as well. Glad to hear the delusion might just be limited to our borders.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on March 25, 2020, 04:15:59 PM
Do we have any reason to believe Bolsonaro's veep would be better... I mean less s**ty than the man himself? I know the bar is very, very low, but I can't also think of a moment too soon to toss out the dangerous lunatic.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on March 26, 2020, 07:43:30 PM
Mourão is horrible, but he is not as bad as Bolsonaro

In the TV on Tuesday, Bolsonaro told that the shut down is destroying jobs, that for people who are not old the covid is "just a flu" (against all the scientists). He is putting the lives of many people in danger. In the following day, Mourão told that he supports the shut down.
The governors and mayors ignored Bolsonaro and kept the shut down.


Concerning the impeachment, the biggest problem is the time: it takes long time to the special commission of the House discuss the request, to the presentation of the accusation, to the presentation of the defense. The time between the president of the House accept the request and the final vote in the House takes at least 2 months. It is dangerous to do this now when the country (and the world) is facing a public health crisis.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: brucejoel99 on March 26, 2020, 07:49:21 PM
Mourão is horrible, but he is not as bad as Bolsonaro

In the TV on Tuesday, Bolsonaro told that the shut down is destroying jobs, that for people who are not old the covid is "just a flu" (against all the scientists). He is putting the lives of many people in danger. In the following day, Mourão told that he supports the shut down.
The governors and mayors ignored Bolsonaro and kept the shut down.


Concerning the impeachment, the biggest problem is the time: it takes long time to the special commission of the House discuss the request, to the presentation of the accusation, to the presentation of the defense. The time between the president of the House accept the request and the final vote in the House takes at least 2 months. It is dangerous to do this now when the country (and the world) is facing a public health crisis.

Is an expedited legislative procedure not possible?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on March 26, 2020, 09:35:01 PM
Very hard, the Congress should work on other issues too


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: America Needs R'hllor on March 27, 2020, 10:45:53 AM
Bolsonaro exempted churches from the stay at home order, saying that prayer is necessary. So clownish.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: brucejoel99 on March 27, 2020, 12:59:20 PM
Bolsonaro exempted churches from the stay at home order, saying that prayer is necessary. So clownish.

Mr. President, South Korea called. They said, "this is a really bad f**king idea!"


Title: Jair Bolsonaro Questions
Post by: walleye26 on March 27, 2020, 03:28:33 PM
I have a few questions about Brazil’s President-namely, how?? And why? Let me elaborate.
Number one, how exactly did he get elected? Was it a similar thing to Trump in that he ran so anti-establishment?
Two, is he popular? He seems to me to like a James Bond villain. He seems super racist towards the Amazon tribes, super arrogant, and shows a huge amount of apathy towards the environment or science. Other past Presidents have criticized him, notably Lulu de Silva.
Lastly, why does it seem he is getting away with everything? Is it corruption? He has repeatedly called COVID-19 a media hoax and has gutted the Amazon, and it doesn’t seem as though anybody can really stop him.


Title: Re: Jair Bolsonaro Questions
Post by: buritobr on March 27, 2020, 04:29:19 PM
I have a few questions about Brazil’s President-namely, how?? And why? Let me elaborate.
Number one, how exactly did he get elected? Was it a similar thing to Trump in that he ran so anti-establishment?
Not exactly. He had an speech against political establishment (although he was a congressman for 28 years) but unlike Trump, he had more free-market views and than he was strongly supported by the upper middle class. Bolsonaro was polling 20% until August. Many political scientists though that Alckmin (PSDB) would overtake him and represent the right in the runoff, since Alckmin had a strong party machine. But after the attack with knife, it became impossible to overtake him. In the runoff, the upper middle class who used to vote for PSDB voted for him because the opponent Haddad was a PT candidate and many people think "Bolsonaro is not good, but nothing is worse than PT" (a stupid way of thinking).

Two, is he popular? He seems to me to like a James Bond villain. He seems super racist towards the Amazon tribes, super arrogant, and shows a huge amount of apathy towards the environment or science. Other past Presidents have criticized him, notably Lulu de Silva.
In the polls conducted before covid crisis, 1/3 considered his administration good/very good, 1/3 considered regular, and 1/3 considered bad/very bad. The three groups who most support him are the landowner (before of the more "flexible" rules concerning environment), the business sector (because of the free market reforms) and the evangelicals

Lastly, why does it seem he is getting away with everything? Is it corruption? He has repeatedly called COVID-19 a media hoax and has gutted the Amazon, and it doesn’t seem as though anybody can really stop him.
Even conservative governors of São Paulo (João Doria) and Rio de Janeiro (Wilson Witzel) turned against him, the president of the House Rodrigo Maia too, but as I told in the Brazil thread, it is very hard to conduct a impeachment process during a public health crisis, since it takes at least 2 months in the House and 2 months in the Senate


Title: Re: Jair Bolsonaro Questions
Post by: Former President tack50 on March 27, 2020, 06:36:32 PM
I realize it is still quite a ways off, but how do Bolsonaro's reelection prospects look? Is he favoured or an underdog?

Also, considering how fractured Brazil's Congress is, does he have support there to impose his policies?


Title: Re: Jair Bolsonaro Questions
Post by: brucejoel99 on March 27, 2020, 08:24:05 PM
I realize it is still quite a ways off, but how do Bolsonaro's reelection prospects look? Is he favoured or an underdog?

Something tells me that fiddling while a pandemic looms would indeed cost him re-election in 2022, yes.


Title: Re: Jair Bolsonaro Questions
Post by: buritobr on March 27, 2020, 09:47:31 PM
I realize it is still quite a ways off, but how do Bolsonaro's reelection prospects look? Is he favoured or an underdog?

Also, considering how fractured Brazil's Congress is, does he have support there to impose his policies?

Well, during 2019, Bolsonaro always had the good/very good rating in the polls between 30% and 40%. It is too high considering how horrible he is, but it is the lowest approval rate for an elected president in the first year of the first term (worse than Collor 1990, Fernando Henrique Cardoso 1995, Lula 2003 and Dilma Rousseff 2011). But when simulation polls were done for 2022, he would still defeat a PT candidate in the runoff, no matter if the PT candidate is Lula or Haddad.
After the covid, no national polls were done, but a poll made by phone in the city of São Paulo showed 26% good/very good, 25% regular and 48% bad/very bad.


Title: Re: Jair Bolsonaro Questions
Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on March 27, 2020, 10:45:33 PM
After the covid, no national polls were done, but a poll made by phone in the city of São Paulo showed 26% good/very good,

So the proportion of Brazilians who are uber-hack far-right automata is about 1/4, as opposed to the US where it's about 1/3. Good to know.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: PSOL on April 04, 2020, 09:42:10 PM


You know, I feel partly responsible for the US coup to succeed in the way it did. It makes no sense, but I feel that as I live here, I am responsible in allowing a military junta to be imposed on the Brazilian people.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: brucejoel99 on April 04, 2020, 10:11:23 PM
https://twitter.com/salgado_ro/status/1246574367670140930?s=21

So, this is basically just a Brazilian version of that NY Times op-ed from people working for Trump acknowledging how they don't follow his orders?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on April 05, 2020, 08:22:32 AM
There was no coup, but Bolsonaro is becoming less and less important. He talks to his cattle that he is against the shutdown, but since the governors, the mayors, the congress, the supreme court, the military, and even the minister of health are supporting the shutdown, the shutdown is going on.

In this week, the congress approved a R$600 (US$120) monthly transfer for workers who do not have a regular job. It is hard for these workers to earn money during the shutdown. Bolsonaro and Guedes used bureacratic constraints to delay these payments: they want to turn these starving people against the governors and mayors who ordered the shutdown. Maybe, the transfers will start this week.



Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on April 05, 2020, 08:48:00 AM
If this virus brings down Bolsonaro, it just shows how there is a sliver lining to everything.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on April 06, 2020, 05:01:56 PM
Datafolha Poll April 3rd 2020

A sample of 1500 brazilians were interviewed by phone

Rating of Bolsonaro's administration
Good/Very good: 33%
Regular: 25%
Bad/Very bad: 39%

Age
16-24: 24% g vg, 30% r, 45% b vb
25-34: 30% g vg, 22% r, 47% b vb
35-44: 38% g vg, 24% r, 36% b vb
45-59: 35% g vg, 22% r, 40% b vb
60-: 37% g vg, 29% r, 31% b vb

School
Elementary: 34% g vg, 28% r, 35% b vb
High School: 35% g vg, 25% r, 38% b vb
College: 28% g vg, 20% r, 50% b vb

Income (1 Minimum Wage = R$1000 monthly = US$200 monthly)
<2MW: 32% g vg, 26% r, 40% b vb
2-5 MW: 35% g vg, 27% r, 36% b vb
5-10 MW: 36% g vg, 20% r, 42% b vb
>10 MW: 32% g vg, 21% r, 46% b vb

Some of you might think: how this horrible president and horrible person has 1/3 of approval rate? Most of the evangelic churches support him, and many evangelicals are brainwashed.
Some months ago, the upper-income people approve Bolsonaro more than the low-income people because they support Paulo Guedes's economic policies. But after the anti-social distancing views, Bolsonaro lost support of the higher income people. However, he kept the endorsement of many low-income people. They have never heard about an exponential function, and so, they don't understand that most casualities related to the covid19 didn't take place in Brazil now, but they will take place in the next days. Many inhabitants of slums do not have a regular job, they only sell things in the streets, and they are loosing money because of the social distancing.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on April 18, 2020, 02:43:42 PM
Bolsonaro fires popular health minister after dispute over coronavirus response

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/16/bolsonaro-brazil-president-luiz-mandetta-health-minister


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: America Needs R'hllor on April 20, 2020, 02:04:16 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/04/19/world/americas/ap-lt-brazil-bolsonaro.html

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On the day Brazil celebrates its army, Bolsonaro made an appearance at the protest held in front of the army’s headquarters, in the capital city of Brasilia. There, dozens of tightly-packed protesters, many of whom were not wearing masks, were calling for the Supreme Court and Congress to be shut down.

"I am here because I believe in you. You are here because you believe in Brazil,” said Bolsonaro, a former army captain who waxes nostalgic for the country's 1964-1985 dictatorship.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/coronavirus-brazilian-president-jair-bolsonaro-coughs-over-his-fans/news-story/c950975d2e7fb2e7445fa3c49f503c33

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During his address, which was interspersed with fits of coughing, the President made no response to the crowd’s call for military intervention nor the demand to close congress. “You must fight for your country. Count on your President to do what is necessary so that we can guarantee democracy and what is most dear to us, our freedom,” Mr Bolsonaro said.

This is actually surreal lol, even Trump doesn't come close. This guy is physically spreading coronavirus, not just with his incompetence.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Babeuf on April 24, 2020, 01:06:20 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/brazil-justice-minister-sergio-moro-resigns-jair-bolsonaro

Moro quits.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on April 24, 2020, 03:48:21 PM
Sergio Moro accused Jair Bolsonaro of asking him to intervene in investigations conducted by the Federal Police (the Federal Police is branch which belongs to the Ministry of Justice). There are ongoing investigations against Flavio Bolsonaro due to his connections to the organized crime of Rio de Janeiro and against Carlos Bolsonaro because he his suspect of controlling a hoax distribution machine through Whatsapp and Internet against opponents of Bolsonaros.
If this accusation is true, this is a crime of responsability, and an impeachment process can start.



Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: RodPresident on April 24, 2020, 08:33:43 PM
Sergio Moro accused Jair Bolsonaro of asking him to intervene in investigations conducted by the Federal Police (the Federal Police is branch which belongs to the Ministry of Justice). There are ongoing investigations against Flavio Bolsonaro due to his connections to the organized crime of Rio de Janeiro and against Carlos Bolsonaro because he his suspect of controlling a hoax distribution machine through Whatsapp and Internet against opponents of Bolsonaros.
If this accusation is true, this is a crime of responsability, and an impeachment process can start.


Bolsonaro made a speech along his cabinet (including VP Mourao) saying that Moro was against him in Presidency. He remembered an episode when Moro refused to shake his hands in airport in 2017 and for not working to get "who paid to kill me?" (he thinks that 2018 stabbing was a conspiracy). Now PDT (Democratic Labour Party, my party) added a new impeachment denounce, as REDE, PSB and Greens. Even PSL (Bolsonaro's former party) will ask his impeachment.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: brucejoel99 on April 24, 2020, 08:50:10 PM
Sergio Moro accused Jair Bolsonaro of asking him to intervene in investigations conducted by the Federal Police (the Federal Police is branch which belongs to the Ministry of Justice). There are ongoing investigations against Flavio Bolsonaro due to his connections to the organized crime of Rio de Janeiro and against Carlos Bolsonaro because he his suspect of controlling a hoax distribution machine through Whatsapp and Internet against opponents of Bolsonaros.
If this accusation is true, this is a crime of responsability, and an impeachment process can start.


Bolsonaro made a speech along his cabinet (including VP Mourao) saying that Moro was against him in Presidency. He remembered an episode when Moro refused to shake his hands in airport in 2017 and for not working to get "who paid to kill me?" (he thinks that 2018 stabbing was a conspiracy). Now PDT (Democratic Labour Party, my party) added a new impeachment denounce, as REDE, PSB and Greens. Even PSL (Bolsonaro's former party) will ask his impeachment.

2 questions: When can we expect President Mourão? And could/would he (somehow) manage to be worse than Bolsonaro?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on April 24, 2020, 09:00:37 PM
Sergio Moro accused Jair Bolsonaro of asking him to intervene in investigations conducted by the Federal Police (the Federal Police is branch which belongs to the Ministry of Justice). There are ongoing investigations against Flavio Bolsonaro due to his connections to the organized crime of Rio de Janeiro and against Carlos Bolsonaro because he his suspect of controlling a hoax distribution machine through Whatsapp and Internet against opponents of Bolsonaros.
If this accusation is true, this is a crime of responsability, and an impeachment process can start.


Bolsonaro made a speech along his cabinet (including VP Mourao) saying that Moro was against him in Presidency. He remembered an episode when Moro refused to shake his hands in airport in 2017 and for not working to get "who paid to kill me?" (he thinks that 2018 stabbing was a conspiracy). Now PDT (Democratic Labour Party, my party) added a new impeachment denounce, as REDE, PSB and Greens. Even PSL (Bolsonaro's former party) will ask his impeachment.

2 questions: When can we expect President Mourão? And could/would he (somehow) manage to be worse than Bolsonaro?

My understanding is that Mourão, while terrible in his own right, is not as bad as Bolsonaro.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on April 25, 2020, 07:55:35 AM
General Hamilton Mourão is very bad. He has very right-wing views and he is a little stupid. But he is the lesser of the evils comparing to Jair Bolsonaro. At least, Mourão doesn't have anti-science and religious fundamentalist views.
Jair Bolsonaro was a captain of the army in the 1980s and he was fired. Hamilton Mourão got retired from the army only in March 2018, when he decided to become Bolsonaro's running mate. A Mourão administration would increase the power of the military. This is not too bad: Bolsonaro's military ministers are not as bad as his civilian ministers.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Quincy Kelley on April 30, 2020, 11:12:42 AM
Who will the opposition push to run against Bolsonaro in 2022 & can he or she give him a run for his money ?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: brucejoel99 on May 01, 2020, 03:32:15 AM
Who will the opposition push to run against Bolsonaro in 2022 & can he or she give him a run for his money ?

Lula was freed & is now out of jail, right? I'd presume him if at all possible, but one of our Brazilian posters is obviously better positioned to answer this question than me lol


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on May 02, 2020, 01:44:37 PM
Lula is in parole because he served more than 1/6 of the sentence, but he is still sentenced and so he is not allowed to run. Besides, this week, Lula told that he doesn't want to run in 2022 because he is too old and tired. He was born in 1945.
The nominee of the left will be probably Fernando Haddad again, or Ciro Gomes again or Flavio Dino, governor of Maranhão who is making a good administration. Dino belongs to the Communist Party, although he is not communist.
The nominee of the center-right will be probably João Doria, governor of São Paulo, Sérgio Moro or Luciano Huck, a TV star.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on May 10, 2020, 09:58:31 AM
More than 10 thousand brazilians lost their lives because of the covid.
Maybe this number is highing. Some people who passed away were not tested.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on May 10, 2020, 11:37:35 AM
Bolsonaro has to be near the top of the league for his totally maladroit handling of this virus.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: RodPresident on May 15, 2020, 04:08:00 PM
Today, Minister of Health Nelson Teich resigns after less of 1 month in office. He refused to allow use of hydroxicloroquine who is supported by Jair Bolsonaro. Yesterday, Bolsonaro made a Provisional Measure to autoamnesty for any mismanagement commited during pandemics, as allowing medicines with scientifical approval, but this is very liked to be axed by Supreme Court or Congress.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on May 23, 2020, 06:02:56 PM
Video of the meeting with all ministers in April 22nd showed Bolsonaro speaking that he wanted to change the director of the Federal Police in order to avoid investigation of his son, who has close links to the "militia" in Rio de Janeiro. Of course this is an offense: appointing people for public office according to personal interests. There is a legal justification for the impeachment. However it is still not clear if there will be 2/3 of the votes of the House.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on May 29, 2020, 03:41:13 PM
Datafolha poll, 2,000 people interviewed, May 28th
Rating of Bolsonaro administration
33% Good/Very good
22% Regular
43% Bad/Very bad
This poll has an error in the sample: 63% of the interviewed people answered that they voted for Bolsonaro in the runoff in 2018. He had 55%. So, the good/very good is overestimated. Other polls show ~25% for good/Very good and ~50% for bad/very bad


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on May 29, 2020, 03:52:40 PM
Federal Police caught cell phones and computers of congresspeople and businesspeople who were participating in a pro-Bolsonaro propaganda network. This network used to spread fake news against Bolsonaro opponents through the Whatsapp. The investigation of the Federal Police might show further evidence about this network.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on May 31, 2020, 03:46:06 PM
During the time of social distancing, there were only pro-Bolsonaro rallies (with very few people). Today was different.
In São Paulo, anti-fascist fans of the soccer teams Corinthians, São Paulo, Palmeiras and Santos made a rally at Avenida Paulista, and there was some conflict against the pro-Bolsonaro rally.
In Rio de Janeiro, there was a "black lives matter" protest in front of the palace of the state government (everybody wearing masks, of course). Last week, João Pedro, a black 14 year old boy was murdered by the police during an operation in a favela in Rio de Janeiro. And the protesters followed the wave of protests after Floyd's assassination.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on June 19, 2020, 04:27:02 PM
Queiroz was arrested!

Brazilian police arrest Bolsonaro ally in corruption inquiry
Arrest of Fabrício Queiroz is connected to investigation involving president’s son

Police have arrested a longstanding friend of Brazil’s president, Jair Bolsonaro, in connection with a corruption inquiry involving Bolsonaro’s son.

Reports in the Brazilian media said civil police investigators arrested Fabrício Queiroz, a former police officer who has known Bolsonaro since the 1980s, on Thursday morning in Atibaia, a town 40 miles north of São Paulo.

The property where Queiroz was arrested is reportedly owned by Frederick Wassef, a lawyer who represents Bolsonaro and his son Flávio. Queiroz previously worked for Flávio Bolsonaro, who is now a senator.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/18/brazilian-police-arrest-bolsonaro-ally-in-corruption-inquiry


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on June 19, 2020, 04:32:13 PM
The arrest of Queiroz can bring some information about violation of the law committed by the Bolsonaro family. This information is not directly related to the possibility of impeachment. The crimes which could be revealed were not committed during the administration, so, cannot be used in an impeachment process. But these facts can destroy even more Bolsonaro's approval rate, and so, these facts increase the probability of having votes of 2/3 of the House and Senate.
The impeachment can be justified by the mismanagement of the covid19 and by the attempt to change the director of the Federal Police in Rio de Janeiro in order to avoid investigation of the son.



Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: PSOL on June 19, 2020, 05:07:23 PM
Is the opposition still disorganized without any sort of structure or common leadership? How have the Labour Party and PT jostled their way into the spotlight as of late?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on June 20, 2020, 08:36:22 AM
The biggest left-wing party is still PT (Workers Party). PT has 54 representatives in the House. PDT (Democratic Labor Party) has 28. PSOL (Party of Socialism and Liberty) has 10. PCdoB (Communist Party of Brazil) has 8.
PT has the biggest support, but has the biggest opposition too. 1/4 of the voters would always vote for Lula or someone endorsed by him, but 1/2 of the voters would never vote for Lula, no matter the opponent. Because of the big opposition received by Lula, Ciro Gomes (PDT) is trying to build an independent bloc with Marina Silva (REDE). He thinks that being too close to Lula could damage his image. Ciro Gomes had 13% in the first round in 2018, he casted the vote for Haddad in the runoff, but he refused to join his campaign. He was in vacation in Europe during the runoff campaign. Ciro Gomes has a lower floor than Lula, but he expects to have a higher ceiling. Flavio Dino (PCdoB), governor of the state of Maranhão, hopes to run for president in 2022. He has good relation with both Lula and Ciro.
PT, PDT and PCdoB are center-left parties. PSOL, in the far-left (not so far anymore nowadays), has fewer votes because it still not able to have the votes of the working class. However, PSOL is the favorite party of the left in the universities, and since professors and students are more active, we can expect a growing base for PSOL.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: NewYorkExpress on June 24, 2020, 05:50:32 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/23/americas/brazil-bolsonaro-coronavirus-mask-intl/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/23/americas/brazil-bolsonaro-coronavirus-mask-intl/index.html)

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Brazil's president Jair Bolsonaro has been ordered by a federal judge in Brasilia to wear a face mask in public or face a fine.

Federal Judge Renato Borelli issued a decision Monday, saying Bolsonaro must wear a mask when circulating in public in Brasilia. The judge's order said failure to do so could potentially lead to a fine of up around $386 per day.

The decision extends to all government employees in the Federal District, where the capital Brasilia is located.

Reached for comment on Tuesday, Bolsonaro's office referred CNN to Attorney General, who replied that its office was "studying all the appropriate measures to reverse the injunction."


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on June 26, 2020, 03:42:20 PM
Datafolha poll 2016 people interview by phone on June 24th 2020

Rate Bolsonaro administration: good, regular, bad

Total: 32, 23, 44

Men: 36, 23, 41
Women: 28, 23, 48

16-24 years: 21, 25, 54
25-34 years: 33, 27, 39
35-44 years: 37, 21, 41
45-59 years: 34, 23, 42
60- years: 33, 19, 47

Elementary: 33, 25, 40
High School: 32, 24, 43
College: 29, 18, 53

0-2 minimum wages: 29, 25, 44
2-5 minimum wages: 35, 22, 43
5-10 minimum wages: 33, 17, 50
10- minimum wages: 34, 14, 52

Southeast: 29, 23, 47
South: 42, 24, 33
Northeast: 27, 20, 52
Centerwest/North: 38, 26, 36

Metro: 28, 21, 49
Countryside: 34, 24, 41

White: 37, 20, 42
Brown: 30, 25, 43
Black: 20, 24, 55
Asian: 27, 19, 52
Native: 34, 21, 45


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: PSOL on June 26, 2020, 05:09:35 PM
Interesting that his approvals on Indigenous Brazilians is so high. I would have thought it would be bad considering his actions in the Amazon.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on June 28, 2020, 08:23:45 AM
Interesting that his approvals on Indigenous Brazilians is so high. I would have thought it would be bad considering his actions in the Amazon.

Maybe this result was biased because of the small size of the sample. 2,000 answered this poll. The size of this sample is OK. But only 3% was indigenous. So, 60 people who answered this polls were indigenous. This is not a reliable sample.

Anyway, Bolsonaro's administration is a disaster converning the reserves in the Amazon forest (well, the administration is a disaster in every issue). But not all the indigenous people live in reserves. Bolsonaro is trying to allow mining activities inside the reserves. And some people in Amazon who work in mining activies are indigenous people (or at least they have some ancestry).


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Oryxslayer on July 07, 2020, 10:38:56 AM
Bolsonaro tests positive after constantly flouting health advice for months, both personally and nationally.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: T'Chenka on July 07, 2020, 11:28:42 AM
Bolsonaro tests positive after constantly flouting health advice for months, both personally and nationally.
Karma.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CookieDamage on July 07, 2020, 05:20:34 PM
Bolsonaro tests positive after constantly flouting health advice for months, both personally and nationally.

The way the universe always strikes a balance... Keisha Lance Bottoms gets it... then Brazilian Hitler gets it.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: NewYorkExpress on July 07, 2020, 09:12:29 PM
Bolsonaro tests positive after constantly flouting health advice for months, both personally and nationally.

No, karma would be him dying from COVID-19 after flouting health advice for months.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on July 08, 2020, 06:31:18 AM
Are we sure he has actually got it this time?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: RodPresident on July 08, 2020, 11:47:00 AM
He's gonna to use a few of hydroxychloroquine pills of stockpile he created. He bought supplies for 18 years, but due date of stock is in 2 years. There's 2 months that Brazil is without Minister of Health and positions are being occupied by military officers without links with health. Ministry of Education is also empty, after Weintraub's resignation, he tried to nominate Carlos Decotelli, but he had to resign after they discovered frauds in his curriculum (he didn't finish PhD and he plagiarized Masters).


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Hnv1 on July 08, 2020, 03:11:23 PM
He's gonna to use a few of hydroxychloroquine pills of stockpile he created. He bought supplies for 18 years, but due date of stock is in 2 years. There's 2 months that Brazil is without Minister of Health and positions are being occupied by military officers without links with health. Ministry of Education is also empty, after Weintraub's resignation, he tried to nominate Carlos Decotelli, but he had to resign after they discovered frauds in his curriculum (he didn't finish PhD and he plagiarized Masters).
How inaccurate is the death toll? The photos from the amazons suggested more deaths than actually reported


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Sir Mohamed on July 09, 2020, 09:10:56 AM
Tbh, I have a feeling Bolsonaro's infection with Covid might be fake or a hoax to influence public opinion. He may try to use his "example" to prove the disease is mainly harmless or untested drugs are the cure.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on July 09, 2020, 04:16:41 PM
When Bolsonaro came back from Florida on March, members of his staff were infected by the coronavirus. He did an examination too and he didn't want to show the result. So, many people though that the result was positive. After a request by the Supreme Court, he showed the result of two tests, which showed negative. Many people though these tests were fake.
Now, on July, the test showed a positive result. So, he really was not infected on March. Probably, he tried to hide the result of the test on March in order to show to his herd that he don't follow the orders of the juditiary branch and of the media because the juditiary branch and the media are evil.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: RodPresident on July 15, 2020, 09:42:20 PM
Today, former speaker of Chamber, Severino Cavalcanti (PP-PE) died at 89. He was one of most colourful characters of Brazilian politics. Ultracatholic and antiabortion activist, he was also known of one of most supportive of benefits to congressmen, as higher wages and cabinet apportions. He was "king of low clergy", who are backbench congressmen that haven't power in parties and commissions but are seeking more pork and benefits to own base. He got speakership in 2005, when PT then as party with most seats split between 2 candidates, with opposition support. But he got allied with Lula president. He had to resign in same year, when he was denounced for asking bribe from a restaurant owner that have business in Congress Palace. He failed to return Congress, but served as mayor of Joao Alfredo between 2009 and 2012.


Title: Bolsonaro Feeling Pressure from Investors to End Devastation of the Amazon
Post by: Frodo on July 17, 2020, 10:02:24 PM
The Brazilian version of Donald Trump thumbs his nose at heads of state of other countries, but when it comes to foreign investors, he sits up and listens:

Brazil's Bolsonaro under pressure to protect Amazon (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/brazils-bolsonaro-under-pressure-to-protect-amazon/ar-BB16SWkD?ocid=msedgdhp)

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Faced with investors demanding "results" in the fight against Amazon deforestation, Brazil's government seems to be performing something of an about-face, although it will have to work to convince skeptics.

The simple fact that Vice President Hamilton Mourao committed on Wednesday to cutting deforestation and forest fires "to an acceptable minimum" was a mini-revolution in the administration of far right President Jair Bolsonaro.

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The threat from foreign investors is taken very seriously by a government that needs capital to reignite an economy ravaged by the coronavirus.

"Brazil is banking on foreign investments to emerge from the crisis. These foreign investments are important for a number of areas: sanitation, infrastructure," said Rubens Barbosa, former Brazilian ambassador to the United States and now director of an international relations and foreign trade institute.


Title: Re: Bolsonaro Feeling Pressure from Investors to End Devastation of the Amazon
Post by: GM Team Member and Senator WB on July 17, 2020, 10:10:59 PM
Money doesn't just talk, it yells.


Title: Re: Bolsonaro Feeling Pressure from Investors to End Devastation of the Amazon
Post by: CumbrianLefty on July 18, 2020, 04:39:18 AM
Ironic indeed if it is the "filthy capitalists" who come to the Amazon rainforest's rescue.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on July 20, 2020, 03:37:15 PM
A vacine against the coronavirus was developed in a partnership between a chinese laboratory and the University of São Paulo. Tomorrow, this vacine will be tested in 9 thousand volunteers in Brazil. We hope a good result!


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: PSOL on July 24, 2020, 06:03:14 PM
Thousands of families evicted in Sao Paulo amid pandemic (https://apnews.com/087fcdb3d06db1e7fd10209c6e82413c)


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on August 10, 2020, 04:37:57 PM
Magazine Piauí showed that during a meeting with the ministers, which took place on May 22nd 2020, Bolsonaro suggested a self-coup against the Supreme Court, like the one Fujimori did in Peru in 1992. Three ministers are generals from the army, and according to the magazine, Bolsonaro was asking the military to support the coup. The magazine said that one of the members of the meeting, which was not identified told the magazine what happened. There was no recording of the meeting, like the one which took place at April 22nd. After Piauí's article, Bolsonaro neither denied nor confirmed the content of the meeting. If there is proof of what he spoke at the meeting, it would be one of the many motives for an impeachment process.
 https://piaui.folha.uol.com.br/materia/vou-intervir/


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Mike88 on August 14, 2020, 12:21:32 PM
Datafolha poll on Bolsonaro's job approval:  (https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/poder/2020/08/aprovacao-a-bolsonaro-sobe-e-e-a-melhor-desde-o-inicio-do-mandato-diz-datafolha.shtml)

37% Good/Very good (+5)
34% Bad/Very bad (-10)
27% Average (+4)
  1% Undecided (nc)

Poll conducted between 11 and 12 August 2020. Polled 2,065 voters. MoE of 2.00%.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on August 16, 2020, 08:49:28 AM
Datafolha poll August 2020
Good/Very good, Regular, Bad/Very bad

Total: 37, 27, 34

Men: 42, 29, 29
Women: 33, 26, 39

16-24: 26, 31, 41
25-34: 41, 26, 32
35-44: 45, 26, 29
45-59: 39, 26, 34
60-: 34, 29, 35

Elementary: 40, 31, 27
High School: 36, 29, 34
College: 34, 18, 47

0-2 minimum wages: 35, 33, 31
2-5 minimum wages: 40, 21, 37
5-10 minimum wages: 40, 20, 40
>10 minimum wages: 40, 13, 47

Southeast: 36, 24, 39
South: 42, 26, 31
Northeast: 33, 30, 35
North/Center-west: 42, 31, 25

Metro area: 33, 25, 41
Countryside: 40, 29, 29

White: 40, 23, 36
Brown: 37, 29, 31
Black: 25, 27, 48
Asian: 40, 36, 25


How can 37% support him?
Well, many of the 105K covid deaths in Brazil happened because he didn't support the social distancing, so, it was harder to make it serious. However, the social distancing took place anyway because of the governors and the mayors. Many people are stupid and cannot understand that more people would have died if there was no social distancing. Since many people care more about the job losses than the life losses, they agree with Bolsonaro's speech.
Besides, his approval rates increased in the group of low income people. The R$600 (US$110) monthly transfer to poor people during the pandemic helped to increase the popularity. Many people don't know that this loan was proposed by the opposition and approved in the congress. The administration wanted only a R$200 transfer.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Hnv1 on August 16, 2020, 10:00:09 AM
Datafolha poll on Bolsonaro's job approval:  (https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/poder/2020/08/aprovacao-a-bolsonaro-sobe-e-e-a-melhor-desde-o-inicio-do-mandato-diz-datafolha.shtml)

37% Good/Very good (+5)
34% Bad/Very bad (-10)
27% Average (+4)
  1% Undecided (nc)

Poll conducted between 11 and 12 August 2020. Polled 2,065 voters. MoE of 2.00%.
how can 37% think he's doing a god job? with the real numbers Brazil was probably hurt worse than the US


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Velasco on August 16, 2020, 11:03:49 AM
No matter how bad they are, people like Trump or Bolsonaro have always a large number of supporters that buy their product, disregarding truth and objective facts. They hear what they want to hear and that's what their leaders tell to them. You are not going to convince that people with arguments, because they are moved by emotions. I guess the 'remedy' (in case there's any) to far right 'populists' is selling their supporters an alternative product that appeals to the fears and emotions. Possibly some of their supporters are just racist and fanatic, but others are moved by fears caused by events and phenomena beyond their control


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on August 20, 2020, 04:35:37 PM
Hot news: Eduardo Bolsonaro's friend, political advisor of Bolsonaro family is in jail!


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on August 21, 2020, 10:17:45 AM
Datafolha poll on Bolsonaro's job approval:  (https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/poder/2020/08/aprovacao-a-bolsonaro-sobe-e-e-a-melhor-desde-o-inicio-do-mandato-diz-datafolha.shtml)

37% Good/Very good (+5)
34% Bad/Very bad (-10)
27% Average (+4)
  1% Undecided (nc)

Poll conducted between 11 and 12 August 2020. Polled 2,065 voters. MoE of 2.00%.
how can 37% think he's doing a god job? with the real numbers Brazil was probably hurt worse than the US

Heh, just noticed this typo :)


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: NewYorkExpress on August 25, 2020, 04:22:47 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/24/americas/bolsonaro-threat-punch-reporter-intl-scli/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/24/americas/bolsonaro-threat-punch-reporter-intl-scli/index.html)

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Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro has been captured on camera threatening to punch a reporter in the face, after being asked about alleged family corruption.

Bolsonaro, who was visiting the Metropolitan Cathedral in Brasilia on Sunday when a group of journalists met him outside, was seen on video threatening the O Globo newspaper reporter after being questioned about the allegations.

The journalist was seeking comment from the President over alleged deposits made by a former aide of Bolsonaro's eldest son, Senator Flavio Bolsonaro, into a bank account supposedly belonging to first lady Michelle Bolsonaro.

President Bolsonaro was standing just steps from the Cathedral and told the reporter, "I feel like punching you in your mouth, okay?"

When CNN asked President Bolsonaro's office about Sunday's incident, his spokesperson refused to comment.

Well, that's just charming.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on August 25, 2020, 04:29:03 PM
Yes, some pundits believed that Bolsonaro became more moderate after the arrest of Queiroz, but no


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: brucejoel99 on August 25, 2020, 05:56:18 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/24/americas/bolsonaro-threat-punch-reporter-intl-scli/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/24/americas/bolsonaro-threat-punch-reporter-intl-scli/index.html)

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Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro has been captured on camera threatening to punch a reporter in the face, after being asked about alleged family corruption.

Bolsonaro, who was visiting the Metropolitan Cathedral in Brasilia on Sunday when a group of journalists met him outside, was seen on video threatening the O Globo newspaper reporter after being questioned about the allegations.

The journalist was seeking comment from the President over alleged deposits made by a former aide of Bolsonaro's eldest son, Senator Flavio Bolsonaro, into a bank account supposedly belonging to first lady Michelle Bolsonaro.

President Bolsonaro was standing just steps from the Cathedral and told the reporter, "I feel like punching you in your mouth, okay?"

When CNN asked President Bolsonaro's office about Sunday's incident, his spokesperson refused to comment.

Well, that's just charming.

Him & Trump have just been competing this whole time to see who could look the most ridiculous during a global pandemic, haven't they?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on August 26, 2020, 07:20:13 AM
With an honourable mention for Johnson.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on August 26, 2020, 04:44:33 PM
There is a ongoing dispute inside Bolsonaro's administration.

Concerning economics, Bolsonaro is an exception in the group of the world far-right leaders. He is the only one who supports free-market fundamentalism, unlike Donald Trump, Mateusz Morawiecki, Viktor Orbán, Rodrigo Duterte, Marine Le Pen and Matteo Salvini, who support economic nationalism and a social safety net, in order to make them more attractive to low-income voters than center-right leaders.
The Minister of Economy Paulo Guedes had a PhD in Chicago in the 1970s and has the Pinochet's Chicago Boys as the model.
Actually, Bolsonaro has no own ideas about economics. His mind is a blank paper sheet. In the 1990s, he supported economic nationalism and criticized privatizations conducted by Fernando Henrique Cardoso administration, because many generals supported right-wing economic nationalism and the Brazilian military dictatorship (1964-1985), unlike the Chilean military dictatorship, conducted a state-led capitalist development. But recently, Bolsonaro converted to free-market fundamentalism because of this guru Olavo de Carvalho and because of businessmen who support him.
However, some supporters of Bolsonaro in the congress are not satisfied with Guedes' austerity. Paulo Guedes wants to keep the (stupid) constitutional spending ceiling, created during Temer administration. The congressmen who support Bolsonaro want to increase public investiment so that Bolsonaro can be reelected in 2022.
We still don't know which side Bolsonaro will support.
The mainstream media, which is pro center-right PSDB, some weeks ago, was on the same side of the left, criticizing Bolsonaro because of his mismanagement of the pandemics and mismanagement of the environment. Now, mainstream media, unlike the left, is criticizing Bolsonaro for not being fiscal conservative enough.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on August 28, 2020, 04:34:44 PM
STJ (the federal court which is one level below STF, the Supreme Court) decided that governor of Rio de Janeiro Wilson Witzel should be ousted because of corruption related to the purchase of equipments to hospitals for covid treatment. Pastor Everaldo, president of Witzel's party, was arrested because of this scandal. Witzel is a former Bolsonaro's ally who became an enemy, Everaldo did Bolsonaro's evangelic baptism.
There are lots of evidence of this corruption scandal. However, there was no reason for the justice to decide that the governor should be ousted. There is already an ongoing impeachment process in the State Assembly. It is possible that some judge of the STJ is trying to please Bolsonaro in order to get his appointment to the Supreme Court.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on September 10, 2020, 04:10:13 PM
When venezuelans make big lines to buy basic food, this hunger is usually related to "socialism"

In this week, a package of 5 kg of rice, the most basic food in Brazil, is costing R$40 (=US$7.50) in the supermarkets in Brazil. This increase in the price happened because of the fall of producion in other exporting countries, and, so, the international price increased. The rise in the international price was transmited to the domestic market because of the end of the stocks policy. So, there is socialist hunger, but there is free-market hunger too.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Mike88 on September 10, 2020, 05:27:13 PM
When venezuelans make big lines to buy basic food, this hunger is usually related to "socialism"

In this week, a package of 5 kg of rice, the most basic food in Brazil, is costing R$40 (=US$7.50) in the supermarkets in Brazil. This increase in the price happened because of the fall of producion in other exporting countries, and, so, the international price increased. The rise in the international price was transmited to the domestic market because of the end of the stocks policy. So, there is socialist hunger, but there is free-market hunger too.

Yikes, how much did inflation grew? 20%?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on September 11, 2020, 03:30:45 PM
Inflation is still very low because of the low economic activity. The inflation of the year 2020 until July is 0.46%. The accumulated inflation in the last 12 months is 2.31%. But of course the rise of the food price in September will push the inflation, specially for the lower class, whose share of food in the total household budget is bigger.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on September 13, 2020, 10:11:07 AM
One issue that became a conversation topic in Brazil this week was the interview of the famous singer Caetano Veloso in a talk show.
He told that during a long time of his life he was a liberal. He was exiled during the military dictatorship (1964-1985) becaue he was anti-authoritarism and not because he was a radical leftist. But recently, when he met the young communist youtuber Jones Manoel, fan of the italian historian Domenico Losurdo, Caetano Veloso discovered many hipocrisies of liberalism and started to have more sympaties to marxism. He realized how absurd it is to put Hitler and Stalin at the same level (what many liberals do), but of course, Caetano didn't become a Stalin's fan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSuSAaO5c80&t=1s


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on September 22, 2020, 07:08:44 PM
Bolsonaro's speech at the UN Assembly: no surprises, all this sh**t we have already expected, the target audience was neither the international community nor the brazilian people, but only his cattle


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on September 24, 2020, 03:50:12 PM
Ibope Poll September 20th
Evaluation of Bolsonaro administration
40% good, very good
29% regular
29% bad, very bad


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Mike88 on September 24, 2020, 05:56:21 PM
One question: How can we assess, by the local election results in November, if Bolsonaro is really popular and rallying his base? His party isn't registered yet, right? And he doesn't have no more ties with the PSL, right?. Or should we look at the results for the junior parties in his coaltion: PSD, PSC, PP and others?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: PSOL on September 24, 2020, 06:42:28 PM
Ibope Poll September 20th
Evaluation of Bolsonaro administration
40% good, very good
29% regular
29% bad, very bad
Well this seems like a major improvement for Bolsonaro, no?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on September 24, 2020, 07:03:14 PM
One question: How can we assess, by the local election results in November, if Bolsonaro is really popular and rallying his base? His party isn't registered yet, right? And he doesn't have no more ties with the PSL, right?. Or should we look at the results for the junior parties in his coaltion: PSD, PSC, PP and others?

Bolsonaro has no party, but most of the PSL candidates are his allies yet. In São Paulo, you should look the results of Celso Russomano. In Rio de Janeiro, you should look the results of Marcelo Crivella. Both are members of "Republicanos", a party of one of the biggest evangelic church, which is Bolsonaro's ally. Other parties that are Bolsonaro's allies are PSD, PSC, PP, as you mentioned, and NOVO, Patriota and Republicanos.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on September 24, 2020, 07:05:02 PM
Ibope Poll September 20th
Evaluation of Bolsonaro administration
40% good, very good
29% regular
29% bad, very bad
Well this seems like a major improvement for Bolsonaro, no?

Yes, major improvement. The number of cases and deaths are declining, so, the pandemic is not the most important issue anymore. And many low-income people became satisfied with the R$600 monthly check during the pandemic. They don't know that this value was proposed by the opposition.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on September 24, 2020, 08:12:09 PM
One question: How can we assess, by the local election results in November, if Bolsonaro is really popular and rallying his base? His party isn't registered yet, right? And he doesn't have no more ties with the PSL, right?. Or should we look at the results for the junior parties in his coaltion: PSD, PSC, PP and others?

Bolsonaro is going to support candidates that are alligned with him, from multiple parties. For example, in Rio it’s likely his base will be inherited by incumbent Crivella (if he’s allowed to run and keeps his political rights). In São Paulo that person could be Russomano. Not sure about other cities yet, election campaigns start late here and usually last only 1 or 1.5 months.

Best way is probably looking at each State capital results to see how many of these people had Bolsonaro or his base’s blessing and support.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: PSOL on September 24, 2020, 08:19:51 PM
So is PSOL (lol) going to go anywhere in the upcoming federal election?

Also, can any Brazilian poster please tell me the difference between PSB, PMDB, and the other marginal , officially social democratic parties? I’m confused as to how such a fractured environment upon third way blairite parties exists. Also the green parties pls


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on September 24, 2020, 08:59:08 PM
So is PSOL (lol) going to go anywhere in the upcoming federal election?

Also, can any Brazilian poster please tell me the difference between PSB, PMDB, and the other marginal , officially social democratic parties? I’m confused as to how such a fractured environment upon third way blairite parties exists. Also the green parties pls

PMDB (now MDB) = Big tent party that isn’t much defined by ideology. It’s probably the party people think when you think of a bland establishment politician. MDB usually supports whoever is in power so they can have influence. It was part of FHC PSDB government in the 90s but then it was also part of Lula and Dilma’s PT government until Temer assumed.

PSB = Center-left party, although not usually considered “as left” as PT/PCdoB/PSOL. It’s probably best compared to PDT, the other center-left party (who ran Ciro Gomes in 2018 for president). Didn’t support anyone in 2018 due to PDT vs PT conflict but now they have a deal with PDT for the municipal elections where one will support the other depending who is stronger on each city.

REDE (Sustainability Network)= Brazil’s environmental party, ran Marina Silva on 2018. There’s also another Green Party (PV) but they don’t have the same reputation of caring about environment since Marina is probably the biggest “authority” in the country when it comes to that subject. REDE is kinda center-leftish, is in the PDT and PSB deal too but it’s not as “loyal” (REDE will run a candidate in Rio, which already had a PDT one).

PSDB = Despite the Social-Democratic in the name, it’s a Center-Right party that used to be in the top 2 biggest parties, always rivaling with PT. But they kinda had a small collapse post-2014 and their base evaporated, they radicalized and voted for Bolsonaro in their desperation to take PT out of power. Only relevant name they have nowadays is probably the Governor of São Paulo, João Doria. Doria supported Bolsonaro for president in 2018 to get elected but now they’re against each other since Doria has ambitions to run in the future.

PSD = Fisiological party that doesn’t have a defined ideology but it’s center-right leaning. Parties name mean nothing in Brazil, so don’t assume anything from the social-democracy in their name. PSD politicians (along with many other parties) are just there for the sake of using the balance of power in their favor. If president gives them special favors, they will support the president and if he doesn’t they will be against him. This group of fisiological parties is called “Centrão” around here and because it’s impossible for any president from any ideology to achieve a majority without this group of fisiological parties, they always manage to have A LOT of influence into the government.

Dilma was impeached because she lost the support of “Centrão” in congress after she refused to help the ex-president of congress with his justice problems. Bolsonaro, knowing that it’s the support of centrão that decides your fate regardless of what you do, started getting much closer to that group after weakening signs of his government in the start of the pandemic. Now he looks more stable because he is giving them favors.

Problem of “Centrão” is that they’re necessary for presidents to have governance but the price paid is very high. And if you don’t attend them, they can suddenly turn against you. It’s a problem of having TOO many different parties. I think around 6 or 7 would be the ideal to end these fisiological ones and force parties to actually be for something.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on September 24, 2020, 08:59:37 PM
So is PSOL (lol) going to go anywhere in the upcoming federal election?

Also, can any Brazilian poster please tell me the difference between PSB, PMDB, and the other marginal , officially social democratic parties? I’m confused as to how such a fractured environment upon third way blairite parties exists. Also the green parties pls

The strongest base of PSOL is Rio de Janeiro, but representative Marcelo Freixo, who lost in the runoff agianst Crivella in 2016, decided not to run. He has a problem: high floor and low ceiling. He considered that he would go to the runoff easily, but the probabily to loose to Crivella in a runoff is very high. Crivella's aproval rate is low, but the rejection to Freixo is big. Many people living in poor neighborhoods of the city is evangelic and dislike Freixo because he supports cannabis legalization and the teaching of issues related to LGBT at schools. PSOL has a not so famous candidate in 2020: Renata Souza. The strongest candidates in Rio de Janeiro are Marcelo Crivella, Eduardo Paes, Martha Rocha and Benedita da Silva.
Guilherme Boulos, who ran for president in 2018, is polling well in São Paulo. But his probability to win is low.
PSOL has a good chance to win the city of Belém-PA. Edmílsion is the candidate and he was already the mayor when his party was PT.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on September 25, 2020, 09:47:10 AM
Ibope Poll September 20th
Evaluation of Bolsonaro administration
40% good, very good
29% regular
29% bad, very bad
Well this seems like a major improvement for Bolsonaro, no?

Certainly from earlier this year when the virus was at peak intensity.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on September 25, 2020, 03:58:04 PM
Ibope Poll September 20th
Evaluation of Bolsonaro administration
40% good, very good
29% regular
29% bad, very bad
Well this seems like a major improvement for Bolsonaro, no?

Certainly from earlier this year when the virus was at peak intensity.

Last Ibope poll was conducted in December 2019, before the pandemic. It showed 29% good/very good. Ibope doesn't interview people using cell phones. Ibope visits people in their homes. That's why they conducted no polls during the peak of the pandemic. Other polls, which used cell phones, showed that Bolsonaro lost popularity during the early months of the pandemic, and then recovery at higher levels than before the pandemic.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on September 25, 2020, 05:16:43 PM
Bolsonaro is now gaining support from lower income groups that voted against him in 2018. That gain in support is significant and growing since June because of the monthly financial help the poor are receiving during the coronavirus pandemic.

Meanwhile, he was losing support at the start of the pandemic with the more affluent groups who elected him because they were tired of all the daily scandals and his disregard for the pandemic (Brazilian elites are dumb so they expected him to be “controlled”). Bolsonaro wanted a coup at a point in the pandemic and tried to interfere in the Supreme Court but when the military made it clear behind closed doors they wouldn’t get behind this, Bolsonaro stopped getting into constant attack mode to preserve himself otherwise he could’ve gotten the chop if he kept antagonizing the congress and the judiciary. So he “moderated“ his discourse (Not really, he just stays more quiet nowadays) since June and that somewhat controlled his trend of losing support with upper and middle classes, which was aggravating at the start of the spread of Coronavirus.

To be popular in Brazil you basically just need to give people some money and keep your mouth shut in regards to public appearances, while sucking up to the interest of established powers and majority of people will like you well enough lol. Assistencialism to the poor and “boring” predictability that doesn’t frighten the markets to the elites, trying to balance each other because if you spend too much cash to help the poor, the elites get mad. And if you’re not enough of a populist and is too bland then you won’t be embraced by the poor either.

Until people find out you sucked up TOO much to the political establishment, then everyone gets mad and accuse you of being the biggest corrupt of all time even if that always happens because it’s a systematic structural problem. You gotta have reform that takes money out of politics, limit the number of parties, etc.

I don’t feel like Brazilian democracy is at risk of ending right now in the present, but I think Brazil can become another Hungary depending how much time Bolsonaro stays in power. Orbán was a 10 year project after all. Bolsonaro wished for a coup but since the institutions stopped him, he’s now taking the route of continuously weakening institutions so that they can be destroyed at some point. If he were to lose reelection, I just can’t imagine he would simply accept leaving in a peaceful manner, but I hope Institutions will be strong enough in order to not allow this to be something he can control.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on September 29, 2020, 06:47:11 PM
Judge Celso de Mello will retire because he reached 75, so, in this age, there is the compulsory retire (actually, he decided to retire one month before the deadline). He was one of the most critic to Bolsonaro. Now, Bolsonaro has the opportunity to appoint a judge to the Supreme Court. He has already promised to his base a "terrivelmente evangelico" judge. The name needs an approval of the Senate.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on September 29, 2020, 10:33:49 PM
Brazil was mentioned by Biden in the debate. Not in the best way.
Brazil is not doing well in preserving the rain forest.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on September 29, 2020, 11:15:12 PM
Biden talked about giving 20 Billion to Brazil to preserve the forest or else economic consequences would be faced (aka: sanctions).

I see it more of a warning to put pressure on Bolsonaro while also shifting the responsibility to somewhere else in front of his public. Like in a “Hey sure should do better regarding climate change here but look at Brazil right now, they’re the ones to blame”.

The idea is basically just to put money so that they can have any say regarding what happens in the forest and can give punishments if their say isn’t met. Of course Bolsonaro would refuse to participate on that. It isn’t a good plan for anyone (US or Brazil) but it’s good that Biden is putting the country’s name out there on a negative light because it adds pressure from other multiple sectors that do concern Bolsonaro a lot.

If Trump loses, Bolsonaro will have lost his only meaningful ally and will be isolated since a lot of his positions are kinda more validated on the outside by being similar to what the US president says. He will be forced to change and actually do sh**t (an ideological loss for him and his base) or risk making the country a complete pariah on international stage since all the biggest world leaders will be against him lmao. And that wouldn’t be good for Brazil’s economy, which would stimulate a response from market types and elites who elected him and he wouldn’t get re-elected, so he loses in that scenario as well.

But if Trump wins, that would be remarkable validation for Bolsonaro, both domestically and internationally.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on October 01, 2020, 05:41:18 PM
Bolsonaro chose federal judge Kassio Nunes to occupy Celso Mello's place in the Supreme Court. Many supporters and opponents of Bolsonaro though he would appoint a far-right name. But it didn't happen. Maybe, because Bolsonaro perceived that the Senate would not approve a far-right judge.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on October 02, 2020, 12:42:50 AM
I don’t buy that “senate won’t pass” excuse he is giving to his supporters that are disappointed with his choice because it isn’t someone conservative enough. Senate would pass almost anyone, as long as they had some minimum curriculum. Bolsonaro is on the hands of “Centrão” now since that moment around June when his popularity was decreasing because of Covid and his private intentions of a coup against the judiciary failed when the military pushed it off the table.

It became clear to him that if he kept with his “anti-politics”  position against everyone he would isolate himself only for the purpose of energizing his base. So he “moderated” and decided to do what everyone who wins the presidency has to do if they want to survive politically: give what “Centrão” wants and become more “pro-establishment”. Otherwise, everyone would easily join forces to get rid of him.

That Supreme Court nomination is all about two things: nominating someone supported by “Centrão” and someone that has a more anti-punishment leaning and will likely protect people like his son, Flávio Bolsonaro, who are involved in corruption scandals.

Honestly, I don’t give a damn about the choice, it’s the usual business from always. It’s really funny to watch from the sidelines how pathetic the Brazilian right is though, bragging for a year that the left would go mad whenever Bolsonaro nominated the first “wildly conservative and evangelical” Supreme Court minister that they never had and now they’re the ones making a scandal online because their president nominated a boring establishment guy who will defend corrupts instead. And who is catholic too, not an evangelical at all. ;P

If there’s one luck Brazilian left has is that Brazilian right is too stupid and pathetically ideological, because they had potential to be more dangerous as well. These people only dream they were like the Republicans in the US always getting final word against Democrats, they ignore the particularities of where they live. They really believed they would get a right wing anti-system revolution with a guy who was always a parasite in the system in his whole life with tons of public benefits lmaooo. I almost feel bad for them ripping their hair off thanks to this Supreme Court minister nomination because it must suck to waste so much passion believing in something just to have five years later THIS be the result of such work.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Lord Halifax on October 02, 2020, 04:18:51 AM

What does that mean?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on October 02, 2020, 10:10:34 AM

“Centrão“ literally translates to “Big Center”, an union of fisiological parties in congress without a defined ideology but who use the balance of power to benefit themselves since every president who wants to do anything or even politically survive, must get their support in order to have a majority on congress.

I had explained it more here:

PSD = Fisiological party that doesn’t have a defined ideology but it’s center-right leaning. Parties name mean nothing in Brazil, so don’t assume anything from the social-democracy in their name. PSD politicians (along with many other parties) are just there for the sake of using the balance of power in their favor. If president gives them special favors, they will support the president and if he doesn’t they will be against him. This group of fisiological parties is called “Centrão” around here and because it’s impossible for any president from any ideology to achieve a majority without this group of fisiological parties, they always manage to have A LOT of influence into the government.

Dilma was impeached because she lost the support of “Centrão” in congress after she refused to help the ex-president of congress with his justice problems. Bolsonaro, knowing that it’s the support of centrão that decides your fate regardless of what you do, started getting much closer to that group after weakening signs of his government in the start of the pandemic. Now he looks more stable because he is giving them favors.

Problem of “Centrão” is that they’re necessary for presidents to have governance but the price paid is very high. And if you don’t attend them, they can suddenly turn against you. It’s a problem of having TOO many different parties. I think around 6 or 7 would be the ideal to end these fisiological ones and force parties to actually be for something.



Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Samof94 on October 13, 2020, 06:48:40 AM
His most popular opponent, Lula is unable to run.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on October 13, 2020, 11:20:15 AM
His most popular opponent is still in prison.

Who is that? If it’s Lula you may have missed the news but the Supreme Court released him out of jail in 2019. He is free but without political rights, at least for now because there are possible developments on the horizon...

Supreme Court is scheduled to analyze the Lula trial and decide whether Sérgio Moro (judge who sent Lula to jail) was partial or not after the revelations that came out from “The Intercept Brasil”, with leaked messages of Moro. If they decide Moro was partial, Lula would regain his political rights.

I don’t think Lula is the only opponent Bolsonaro has though. Bolsonaro is worried about a possible campaign of Sérgio Moro himself, who he fired during the pandemic due to Moro accusing him of illegally trying to interfere inside Brazilian federal police (Bolsonaro tried to do it to protect his sons from justice). Moro would win votes from the right if he were to run.

The Brazilian right who elected Bolsonaro is now very divided. There are the remaining Bolsonaro supporters and also a growing base that supports Sérgio Moro and is now very against president Bolsonaro because they feel he betrayed them by abandoning the “anti-corruption” agenda represented by Moro for the sake of protecting his family from corruption.

There is actually a right wing protest scheduled for this next Sunday against Bolsonaro lmao. It’s basically the anti-corruption “Car-wash” Sérgio Moro base that is angry about the Supreme Court nomination and the president government. They consider Bolsonaro a “traitor”.

Meanwhile, even from the left, Lula is not the only option. Ciro Gomes could be a conciliatory name for those who just want to end polarization. If the PT were to not run anyone in 2022 just to back Ciro from the background, Ciro would come quite strong (think of Cristina Kirchner running as Fernández VP in Argentina for comparison). The left still has lots of dialogue and organization to do between themselves though. Both Lula and Ciro want to be protagonists, or at least in Lula’s case, he wants his party to be.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Samof94 on October 13, 2020, 12:04:20 PM
His most popular opponent is still in prison.

Who is that? If it’s Lula you may have missed the news but the Supreme Court released him out of jail in 2019. He is free but without political rights, at least for now because there are possible developments on the horizon...

Supreme Court is scheduled to analyze the Lula trial and decide whether Sérgio Moro (judge who sent Lula to jail) was partial or not after the revelations that came out from “The Intercept Brasil”, with leaked messages of Moro. If they decide Moro was partial, Lula would regain his political rights.

I don’t think Lula is the only opponent Bolsonaro has though. Bolsonaro is worried about a possible campaign of Sérgio Moro himself, who he fired during the pandemic due to Moro accusing him of illegally trying to interfere inside Brazilian federal police (Bolsonaro tried to do it to protect his sons from justice). Moro would win votes from the right if he were to run.

The Brazilian right who elected Bolsonaro is now very divided. There are the remaining Bolsonaro supporters and also a growing base that supports Sérgio Moro and is now very against president Bolsonaro because they feel he betrayed them by abandoning the “anti-corruption” agenda represented by Moro for the sake of protecting his family from corruption.

There is actually a right wing protest scheduled for this next Sunday against Bolsonaro lmao. It’s basically the anti-corruption “Car-wash” Sérgio Moro base that is angry about the Supreme Court nomination and the president government. They consider Bolsonaro a “traitor”.

Meanwhile, even from the left, Lula is not the only option. Ciro Gomes could be a conciliatory name for those who just want to end polarization. If the PT were to not run anyone in 2022 just to back Ciro from the background, Ciro would come quite strong (think of Cristina Kirchner running as Fernández VP in Argentina for comparison). The left still has lots of dialogue and organization to do between themselves though. Both Lula and Ciro want to be protagonists, or at least in Lula’s case, he wants his party to be.
Don’t forget the prescience of COVID 19.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: NewYorkExpress on October 15, 2020, 04:35:14 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/15/brazil-police-cash-jair-bolsonaro-ally-buttocks-chico-rodrigues (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/15/brazil-police-cash-jair-bolsonaro-ally-buttocks-chico-rodrigues)

Quote
Jair Bolsonaro’s efforts to portray himself as an anti-corruption crusader have suffered another blow after police reportedly seized a wad of banknotes from between the clenched buttocks of one of his allies.

Chico Rodrigues, the Brazilian president’s deputy leader in the senate, was reportedly caught with the concealed bundle on Wednesday during a police search of his home. The raid was part of an operation against the suspected misappropriation of public funds for fighting Covid-19.

The Estado de São Paulo newspaper said two sources told it 30,000 reais (more than £4,100) were stashed in the underpants of Rodrigues, a senator for the Amazon state of Roraima.

“To give you a sense of just how preposterous the situation was, some of the recovered notes were stained with faeces,” reported Revista Crusoé, the conservative magazine that broke the story.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on October 15, 2020, 10:11:53 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/15/brazil-police-cash-jair-bolsonaro-ally-buttocks-chico-rodrigues (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/15/brazil-police-cash-jair-bolsonaro-ally-buttocks-chico-rodrigues)

Quote
Jair Bolsonaro’s efforts to portray himself as an anti-corruption crusader have suffered another blow after police reportedly seized a wad of banknotes from between the clenched buttocks of one of his allies.

Chico Rodrigues, the Brazilian president’s deputy leader in the senate, was reportedly caught with the concealed bundle on Wednesday during a police search of his home. The raid was part of an operation against the suspected misappropriation of public funds for fighting Covid-19.

The Estado de São Paulo newspaper said two sources told it 30,000 reais (more than £4,100) were stashed in the underpants of Rodrigues, a senator for the Amazon state of Roraima.

“To give you a sense of just how preposterous the situation was, some of the recovered notes were stained with faeces,” reported Revista Crusoé, the conservative magazine that broke the story.

That money he stole and put inside his posterior openings was supposed to go to victims of COVID, which makes this story even more disturbing.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on October 28, 2020, 06:44:34 PM
Father of the new governor of the state of Santa Catarina is a history teacher who supports neonazi ideas and holocaust denial
Daniela Reinehr was the vice governor of Santa Catarina and became the governor after governor Carlos Moises was impeached. During the inauguration, she was asked by the media about her father's ideas. She just answered that she supports free speech and that she lives in harmony in her family despite differences of ideas. She didn't condem her father's ideas.

Santa Catarina is located in the south of Brazil and is the state which has the biggest population with german ancestry. They are descendants of german immigrants who came to Brazil in the late 19th century and early 20th century. Most of the germans in Santa Catarina are not like germans in Germany in the 21st century. In the cities of Blumenau and Pomerode, most important german colonies in Brazil, Bolsonaro had more than 80% of the votes in the runoff in 2018, while german media has a very negative view on Bolsonaro (of course!). I am not saying that these germans in the south of Brazil are neonazi, but in the average, they are much more conservative than the germans in Germany.
Not all german brazilians are reactionar. The name of the president of the Workers Party (PT) is Gleisi Hoffman. She is from Paraná, another state in the south of Brazil.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on October 29, 2020, 04:26:45 PM
Glenn Grennwald is not in the Intercept Brasil anymore because this newspaper refused to publish an article against Hunter Biden


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on November 06, 2020, 02:14:25 PM
Results of the US election give me hope and dread about this country’s next two years.

Hope = Populists or right wing allies of Bolsonaro are falling down everywhere. Macri was kicked from Argentina last year and now in 2020 it’s Trump, who Bolsonaro always tried to model himself after and use as an excuse to get away with much of the garbage he spews. Now he is completely isolated in a continent where current trend is to move left (Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, USA, soon Ecuador...)

Dread = Biden still sucks and I don’t trust him when it comes to Latin America foreign policy. Brazil under Bolsonaro is currently the biggest pro-US country in the region, supporting stuff like interfering in Venezuela, which both US parties are in favor of. I could see Biden siding with Bolsonaro because of that. And if he goes the complete opposite way (and be radically opposition to Bolsonaro), that would be terrible to the country as well even if it has the silver lining of weakening Bolsonaro.

I can understand the Brazilians celebrating the Biden win simply for the sake of owning Bolsonaro because his BFF lost, we’re all at a point where “If Bolsonaro is sad, I’m happy”. But situation will still be very complicated and it isn’t guaranteed we will be able to get rid of that monster ourselves at all.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on November 07, 2020, 03:40:40 PM
Usually, this result would not make a difference in Brazil. Democratic US presidents have very good relations with right-wing governments in Latin America. But now, there is a different situation in Brazil. We don't have a government on the right. We have a government on the far-right. Bolsonaro lost a very close friend. Only Netanyahu, Orban and Morawiecki remain.
Probably, the elites will increase the pressure on Bolsonaro to behave like a generic right-wing president, like Sebastian Piñera, Lacalle Pou, Mario Benitez, Ivan Duque and Martin Vizcarra. The alt-right wing in Bolsonaro's administration (Ernesto Araújo, Ricardo Sales and Damares) will become more isolated in the world. We still don't know if Bolsonaro will adapt to this new scenario or if he will like to stay isolated.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on November 07, 2020, 09:02:35 PM
Yeah, it usually doesn’t really matter at all to Brazil who wins US elections but the Trump-Bolsonaro association with the fascist global movement changed this in the new scenario.

On one hand, I actually was okay with Trump isolationism as a whole, less US presence on the world is always more good than not. Biden will be the same old, which ehhh. But seeing fascism get weaker globally and consequentially Bolsonaro, made me lean towards preferring Biden even if I don’t trust him at all.

All democratic presidents have supported the right-wingers in Latin America but Bolsonaro is a very special and more extreme case so I’m curious to see what happens. What you say is probably right, Biden will likely try to be mostly friendly to Bolsonaro but keeping a safe distance in order to not intoxicate himself and also putting pressures in private conversations in regards the environment. Bolsonaro will moderate somewhat in the environment because it’s not like he has other friends at this point, since he fights with everyone, and that’s it. It will probably be that boring.

Even then, the notion of a US president with the intention of pushing a Brazilian one to the progressive left, even if in one specific issue only, is kinda of mindblowing to me lol. Last time I can think of something similar is during late 70s, when Jimmy Carter (the last US president who was worth something) wanted explanations about human right abuses in the military dictatorship.

That’s why part of me still believes Biden will end up being mostly friends with Bolsonaro just for the sake of interfering in Venezuela. But I’m happy it’s not Trump.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on November 08, 2020, 08:00:22 AM
Yes, there is a paralell to Jimmy Carter. He increased the pressure on general Ernesto Geisel in order to increase political openness.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on November 08, 2020, 11:25:25 AM
Biden will know how much Bolsonaro was one of Trump's biggest cheerleaders.

For that reason alone, I doubt that they will be too pally.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on November 08, 2020, 12:13:28 PM
Yes, there is a paralell to Jimmy Carter. He increased the pressure on general Ernesto Geisel in order to increase political openness.

Jimmy Carter >>> Joe Biden though. The left celebrating Biden’s victory way too much after everything he said in regards to Brazil and/or Latin America is a bit nauseating to me honestly, people are so traumatized because only political disasters happen since 2015 that the small hint of a shift domestically and Bolsonaro more sad and isolated is enough for them to exaggerate and act like you cannot criticize Biden at all.

Which is understandable at the moment, but I hope these people don’t act like voting for Sérgio Moro, who is responsible for a lot of this mess of the rise of fascism (and why it’s more common to see judges acting like they’re GODS), is someone we should be excited for in order to defeat Bolsonaro. A Moro vs Bolsonaro is the only scenario I would refuse to vote for anyone. Any other scenario I would vote against Bolsonaro.

Criticism is important in order for people to not lose perspective. I think the symbolism is very important but it’s not everything.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on November 08, 2020, 03:12:51 PM
Ernesto Geisel > Jair Bolsonaro
Geisel launched the 2nd national development plan in order to keep the high GDP growth after the 1973 oil shock. Most of the investment of this plan was conducted by state owned enterprises. Geisel recognized PR China and not Taiwan as the true China. Geisel was in the same side of Fidel Castro in the civil war in Angola: he recognized the MPLA government. Geisel was closer to the arabs than Israel in the Middle East conflict. Geisel made an agreement with FR Germany in order to import technology to build the Angra nuclear power plant. Geisel tried to increase trade with Japan, European Community and even the eastern european communist bloc in order to become more independent of the USA.
During the disagreement between Jimmy Carter and Ernesto Geisel, the brazilian left didn't know which side to choose. On one side, Jimmy Carter was trying to push the end of the dictatorship. On the other side, Geisel was trying to have a more nationalist approach to the economy and to the foreign policy.
Bolsonaro is very different. He supports Chicago economics. He is an underdog in foreign policy. He will not appeal to anti-american leftists if Biden criticizes his administration.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on November 08, 2020, 04:56:55 PM
Ernesto Geisel > Jair Bolsonaro
Geisel launched the 2nd national development plan in order to keep the high GDP growth after the 1973 oil shock. Most of the investment of this plan was conducted by state owned enterprises. Geisel recognized PR China and not Taiwan as the true China. Geisel was in the same side of Fidel Castro in the civil war in Angola: he recognized the MPLA government. Geisel was closer to the arabs than Israel in the Middle East conflict. Geisel made an agreement with FR Germany in order to import technology to build the Angra nuclear power plant. Geisel tried to increase trade with Japan, European Community and even the eastern european communist bloc in order to become more independent of the USA.
During the disagreement between Jimmy Carter and Ernesto Geisel, the brazilian left didn't know which side to choose. On one side, Jimmy Carter was trying to push the end of the dictatorship. On the other side, Geisel was trying to have a more nationalist approach to the economy and to the foreign policy.
Bolsonaro is very different. He supports Chicago economics. He is an underdog in foreign policy. He will not appeal to anti-american leftists if Biden criticizes his administration.

I agree in regards to the 70s, even if I think the end of dictatorship was the priority. The problem today is that I think the liberal left is making a lot of assumptions that Biden will antagonize Bolsonaro and not try to use his pro-US positions on their favor now that most of Latin America is swinging left.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on November 10, 2020, 12:47:18 PM
So... tests for the Coronavac vaccine, realized in partnership between São Paulo’s Instituto Butantan and the Chinese company Sinovac, are the most advanced ones being realized in Brazil. Expectations is that it would be ready before the Oxford vaccine, which is also realizing tests here in Brazil.

Government agency Anvisa suspended the trials yesterday though, after a voluntary died. But the cause of death was unrelated to the tests, the person in case committed suicide!

Bolsonaro has been a champion of the anti-vax movement and his base has been trying to delegitimize Coronavirus vaccines for a long while. For the Chinese they use xenophobic conspiracy that Chinese government wants to kill people, for the Oxford one they use conspiracy about Bill Gates financing the vaccine and having a long time project of wanting to permanently alter the DNA of all humanity.

Now Bolsonaro is celebrating a suicide for stopping the tests and trying to relate the death to vaccine, as if the person was stimulated to commit suicide because of the vaccine! All this because the merits of the vaccination would go to the São Paulo Governor, who articulated with the Chinese to do the tests. Bolsonaro is an egomaniac narcissist playing with the lives of millions of Brazilians without any conscience, a genocidal!


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on November 21, 2020, 03:06:04 PM
On November 19th, a black man was killed in a Carrefour supermarket in Porto Alegre after he was punched by two guards from a private security firm that works for the supermarket. A discussion inside the supermarket might have started the fight. Carrefour supermarkets in Brazil had already previous problem related to private guards using to much violence against people who tried to steal things inside the supermarket.

It was the eve of the "Black Conscience Day", the anniversary of the execution of Zumbi dos Palmares, which took place at November 20th 1695. Zumbi was the leader of "Quilombo dos Palmares", a community of fugitive slaves. Zumbi became a symbol of the fight for racial justice.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on December 05, 2020, 10:39:13 PM
Following Joe Biden / Kamala Harris example, I think that there will be a Ciro Gomes / Marina Silva ticket in the presidential election of 2022. He is an old moderate white man, who has a long experience in politics. She is a moderate black woman.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on December 06, 2020, 11:45:10 AM
Following Joe Biden / Kamala Harris example, I think that there will be a Ciro Gomes / Marina Silva ticket in the presidential election of 2022. He is an old moderate white man, who has a long experience in politics. She is a moderate black woman.

I support him but I think there’s no way that Ciro will be the unity candidate.

1. Ciro’s policies focus on industrialization and developmentalism and those are very dirty words for the right. For some specific right-wing sectors he’s seen as the worst option with chances, especially if PT goes with a moderate light candidate like Haddad already was. Because that’s someone they could manage better if elected, especially considering that anti-PT feeling would give them more leverage to control the PT government.

2. A good chunk of Brazilian left is extremely loyal to Lula and if the Ciro vs Lula political dispute intensifies, they will become even more anti-Ciro. PT’s biggest adversary is Ciro, just like Bolsonaro’s biggest danger is the center-right and that is reflected in the campaign that already started.

3. The mainstream media which is alligned with right and center-right types like Huck, Doria and Moro (which they call “moderate center”) dislikes Ciro as well, the only situation they support him is when he is having a dispute with PT. But in every other scenario they paint him in a very negative light.

4. The extreme right aligned with Bolsonaro wants to polarize between them and PT because they think that’s their best chance of winning. They want PT to be weak but not too weak that it fails to make runoff against someone else. So they will put their structures strongly against Ciro.

5. Ciro’s outspoken personality to say whatever he thinks without measuring the consequences makes him popular with his 10% loyal base but it is something that will be unpopular with the media and lots of regular people and there will be strong negative propaganda like it was before.

6. I don’t think Ciro will succeed in creating alliances centered on him. Won’t work if he focus on the left, PSOL and PCdoB are more likely to go towards PT. Won’t work if he focus on the center by forming a center left+center right alliance, center right will go to PSDB like it always has and support Doria even if he’s uncharismatic and has even lesser national recognition than Alckmin. Although the COVID vaccine in SP could help Doria, I guess. DEM will do the same and get behind Doria or run a candidate of themselves: Luciano Huck.

The Martha Rocha scenario is more likely, he will be attacked from all sides: right, left and center. He’s certainly more energetic than her and can defend himself much better, but I still have doubts if he will be able to manage it all.

There will simply not be one “Biden” and honestly, that is probably for the best since Bolsonaro was already a “Trump”. The right was already a failure because they followed US trends, people should just stop looking at that country for examples because nothing good comes out.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on December 06, 2020, 05:53:50 PM
Ciro Gomes was speaking as if PT and Bolsonaro were equal evils: this is not very smart for someone who wants the support of PT voters. I agree with Ciro Gomes that a project for national development needs a broad supporting alliance which includes not only left-wing parties. But unlike Ciro, I think this alliance should not exclude PT.
This week, Ciro Gomes told that he doesn't want PT support and that he was looking for DEM and PSD to join PDT and PSB in his coalition. But I don't believe that the neoliberal DEM and PSD would support someone who propose a strong role for the state in the economic development.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on December 06, 2020, 06:05:13 PM
Scenario for 2022

Far-right: Bolsonaro, of course. We still don't know if he will join Progressistas, Republicanos or PSL. I also include Amoedo in the group of far-right, but Novo did not well in the municipal elections in 2020.

Center-right: Possible names are João Doria (governor of São Paulo), Eduardo Leite (governor of Rio Grande do Sul), ACM Neto (mayor of Salvador), Rodrigo Maia (president of the House), Sérgio Moro (former judge and Bolsonaro's Minister of Justice) and Luciano Huck (TV star). The governor of São Paulo is always a natural candidate, since São Paulo has the biggest GDP and 22% of the country's population. But Doria has not high approval rate. Luciano Huck had friendship in the past with not so good people (Aécio Neves, Sergio Cabral, Sergio Moro, Eike Batista, Joesley Batista, Ricardo Electro and Robinho). He might become vulnerable in a campaign. Moro used to have support from the far-right, but this group considers him a betrayor.

PDT/PSB/Rede: I believe there will be a Ciro Gomes / Marina Silva ticket, although I don't believe they will be sucessful (Red Velvet and I explained why).

PT/PCdoB: Fernando Haddad (former mayor of São Paulo), Jacques Wagner (senator) or Flávio Dino (governor of Maranhão). Even if Lula have all his rights back, I don't belive he will try again, since he is very old and he knows that half of the population doesn't like him.

PSOL: No other name than Guilherme Boulos was mentioned until now. We don't know if Boulos will run again or if PSOL will make an alliance with PT in the 1st round


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on December 06, 2020, 11:58:41 PM
I see it as a 5-way dispute, maybe 4 or 6. Considering only the ones with a chance obvs, because as always there will be tons of people running.

1. Bolsonaro
2. Doria or random PSDB
3. Huck*
4. Ciro
5. PT
6. Boulos or random PSOL**

*unsure, but probably yes
**unsure, probably not in 2022

I think the Boulos hype is very “from the moment” and we need time to see if PSOL can really become a major alternative nationally. PT would be the most negatively affected if that happened, could destroy them. But PSOL could end up replacing the PT eventually considering the perception that PT became old and obsolete and PSOL is its younger version, so I don’t fully doubt it.

I don’t see Boulos living up to the current 5-6% in polls he is getting, especially in a very close race. But I am confident PSOL will run someone in order to excite their base and secure to reach the higher vote share that will be required for congress.

The center-right camp will have 2 major candidates, Doria and Huck. In their spectrum, Doria will be more of a right-wing candidate and Huck more of a center candidate, as he’s already wanting to paint himself as a progressive even though he voted Bolsonaro in 2018 “against PT” lol. Huck is more of a liberal, while Doria is a conservative even if way moderate compared to Brazilian far-right.

Moro will likely not run (thank god because a runoff with him is only scenario I would support Bolsonaro).

Doria is very unlikable even inside the PSDB and most of that PSDB vote already went to Bolsonaro in 2018, they need at least to get a significant chunk of it back to get to the runoff and ensure there is no big support for other candidates like NOVO or whatever else that might get significant support.

What could help Doria though:

1. Create an union of the center-right somehow, especially if the left stays divided. Put all the non-Bolsonaro right parties in an alliance, even bigger than the one PSDB managed to in 2018.

2. Bring Huck as his VP (even if I doubt he would leave Globo for anything less than the presidency). You add charisma to the ticket, which Doria desperately needs, while also getting rid of someone who is a major spoiler and can split the center-right vote.

3. The COVID Chinese vaccine in São Paulo being a success while the federal government fails in providing an accessible alternative to the rest of the country. Which tbh, is looking very possible since Bolsonaro likes anti-vaxxers. It would be better if Doria planned to aid other states than just São Paulo if he really wants to build a national profile though.

With a very fragmented left and these three other elements, I think Doria can very well easily make it. He just needs to oppose Bolsonaro like hell in order to get at least some of the PSDB vote back and go to the runoff.

Ciro needs a fragmented scenario and hope that his 12%, which seems very stable and loyal, can campaign hard and add at least some more votes from pragmatists. His attack strategy shows he is aware this is his only chance, I do think he is dividing the left away from the PT because he kinda needs to. PT would never accept alliance where they’re not in the top of the ticket.

Ciro needs to invest more on social media like PSOL though. A 16% vote intention for example, could very well be enough in a fragmented scenario where PSOL takes away votes from PT and the PSDB fails to gain excitement and center-right/right is divided between Doria, Huck and all those other smaller names like NOVO.

PT needs to at least hold most of their vote intention from 2018 and hope it will still be enough. Opportunistic media still uses them as a scarecrow. They’re in defense mode, which is why they basically mostly just respond to Ciro attacks or focus on nostalgia these days instead of focusing against the right-wing government or providing a new project for the future.

PT has unfortunately defined itself as a party of one personality instead of a major country project and those on a worldwide level, don’t manage to outlive their leader once they’re gone. New leaderships should’ve been given more space inside the party. Natural ones, not fabricated and forced by Lula ones like Dilma.

PSOL and Ciro Gomes are their biggest threats and if PSOL ever gets to prove itself as a threat to them in the national stage, it will get more hate from Lula’s most loyal supporters. But the PT itself would be forced to support them if that were ever to happen.

Bolsonaro will be on the runoff, so he just needs to think about strategy for that 2nd round. But an united center-right is his biggest threat if he loses popularity, most of that vote from PSDB in 2018 that he gained could go back to them or other center-right options. Bolsonaro also conveniently put some potential traitors inside his government and that could be interesting in the next two years, especially if they sabotage him to favor PSDB or “centrão”.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Derpist on December 07, 2020, 04:31:59 PM
Scenario for 2022

Far-right: Bolsonaro, of course. We still don't know if he will join Progressistas, Republicanos or PSL. I also include Amoedo in the group of far-right, but Novo did not well in the municipal elections in 2020.

Center-right: Possible names are João Doria (governor of São Paulo), Eduardo Leite (governor of Rio Grande do Sul), ACM Neto (mayor of Salvador), Rodrigo Maia (president of the House), Sérgio Moro (former judge and Bolsonaro's Minister of Justice) and Luciano Huck (TV star). The governor of São Paulo is always a natural candidate, since São Paulo has the biggest GDP and 22% of the country's population. But Doria has not high approval rate. Luciano Huck had friendship in the past with not so good people (Aécio Neves, Sergio Cabral, Sergio Moro, Eike Batista, Joesley Batista, Ricardo Electro and Robinho). He might become vulnerable in a campaign. Moro used to have support from the far-right, but this group considers him a betrayor.

PDT/PSB/Rede: I believe there will be a Ciro Gomes / Marina Silva ticket, although I don't believe they will be sucessful (Red Velvet and I explained why).

PT/PCdoB: Fernando Haddad (former mayor of São Paulo), Jacques Wagner (senator) or Flávio Dino (governor of Maranhão). Even if Lula have all his rights back, I don't belive he will try again, since he is very old and he knows that half of the population doesn't like him.

PSOL: No other name than Guilherme Boulos was mentioned until now. We don't know if Boulos will run again or if PSOL will make an alliance with PT in the 1st round

To what degree has the Brazilian mainstream center-right acclimated itself to Bolsonaro? If Bolsonaro is the most popular right-wing politician in the country (and assuming roughly 50/50 approval ratings, it means he has support from most rightists), would they even run a separate candidate?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on December 07, 2020, 05:59:09 PM
Scenario for 2022

Far-right: Bolsonaro, of course. We still don't know if he will join Progressistas, Republicanos or PSL. I also include Amoedo in the group of far-right, but Novo did not well in the municipal elections in 2020.

Center-right: Possible names are João Doria (governor of São Paulo), Eduardo Leite (governor of Rio Grande do Sul), ACM Neto (mayor of Salvador), Rodrigo Maia (president of the House), Sérgio Moro (former judge and Bolsonaro's Minister of Justice) and Luciano Huck (TV star). The governor of São Paulo is always a natural candidate, since São Paulo has the biggest GDP and 22% of the country's population. But Doria has not high approval rate. Luciano Huck had friendship in the past with not so good people (Aécio Neves, Sergio Cabral, Sergio Moro, Eike Batista, Joesley Batista, Ricardo Electro and Robinho). He might become vulnerable in a campaign. Moro used to have support from the far-right, but this group considers him a betrayor.

PDT/PSB/Rede: I believe there will be a Ciro Gomes / Marina Silva ticket, although I don't believe they will be sucessful (Red Velvet and I explained why).

PT/PCdoB: Fernando Haddad (former mayor of São Paulo), Jacques Wagner (senator) or Flávio Dino (governor of Maranhão). Even if Lula have all his rights back, I don't belive he will try again, since he is very old and he knows that half of the population doesn't like him.

PSOL: No other name than Guilherme Boulos was mentioned until now. We don't know if Boulos will run again or if PSOL will make an alliance with PT in the 1st round

To what degree has the Brazilian mainstream center-right acclimated itself to Bolsonaro? If Bolsonaro is the most popular right-wing politician in the country (and assuming roughly 50/50 approval ratings, it means he has support from most rightists), would they even run a separate candidate?

There is a difference between center-right parties and center-right voters. Brazil has multiple parties so naturally there is competition from inside the right and left for protagonism. There isn’t one sole right or left entity party-wise. And PSDB used to be a national protagonist, they want that spot back.

PSDB’s João Doria wants the presidency and has become opposition against Bolsonaro especially after Coronavirus. Even though he capitalized on Bolsonaro vote in 2018. He knows his chance to win is weakening Bolsonaro, getting some votes back and going to the runoff.

That said, it isn’t a given that center-right voters will abandon Bolsonaro to vote for Doria, as you said. Many can feel if they abandon Bolsonaro for anyone, they can strengthen the left. But Bolsonaro isn’t a good president/administrator. Sustained himself in 2020 due to the Covid payments given to the poorer and shaky alliances with “Centrão”. It isn’t a given that he will be strong in two years, especially if he botches the vaccination plan nationally while Doria succeeds in São Paulo with the distribution of his vaccine.

Doria already announced that he will start vaccination in the state of São Paulo in January 25th and will allow ANY Brazilians who are in São Paulo soil to get it, regardless if they live somewhere else.

Meanwhile, Bolsonaro has no real plan other than vaguely suggesting vaccination will start in March, flirts with anti-vaxxers, let millions of Covid tests pass their expiration date because of lack logistics and now it is being reported that federal government will probably delay distribution of vaccines because they didn’t buy enough syringes and other necessary material in time. Optics could prejudice Bolsonaro and favor Doria, especially considering federal government could block the São Paulo vaccine just to politically prejudice Doria. That would anger some people, to see the president playing with their health to try to favor himself.

Besides, it’s not like Doria needs to get all Bolsonaro votes, just some enough in order to go to the runoff against him.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on December 08, 2020, 10:47:02 AM
Scenario for 2022

Far-right: Bolsonaro, of course. We still don't know if he will join Progressistas, Republicanos or PSL. I also include Amoedo in the group of far-right, but Novo did not well in the municipal elections in 2020.

Center-right: Possible names are João Doria (governor of São Paulo), Eduardo Leite (governor of Rio Grande do Sul), ACM Neto (mayor of Salvador), Rodrigo Maia (president of the House), Sérgio Moro (former judge and Bolsonaro's Minister of Justice) and Luciano Huck (TV star). The governor of São Paulo is always a natural candidate, since São Paulo has the biggest GDP and 22% of the country's population. But Doria has not high approval rate. Luciano Huck had friendship in the past with not so good people (Aécio Neves, Sergio Cabral, Sergio Moro, Eike Batista, Joesley Batista, Ricardo Electro and Robinho). He might become vulnerable in a campaign. Moro used to have support from the far-right, but this group considers him a betrayor.

PDT/PSB/Rede: I believe there will be a Ciro Gomes / Marina Silva ticket, although I don't believe they will be sucessful (Red Velvet and I explained why).

PT/PCdoB: Fernando Haddad (former mayor of São Paulo), Jacques Wagner (senator) or Flávio Dino (governor of Maranhão). Even if Lula have all his rights back, I don't belive he will try again, since he is very old and he knows that half of the population doesn't like him.

PSOL: No other name than Guilherme Boulos was mentioned until now. We don't know if Boulos will run again or if PSOL will make an alliance with PT in the 1st round

To what degree has the Brazilian mainstream center-right acclimated itself to Bolsonaro? If Bolsonaro is the most popular right-wing politician in the country (and assuming roughly 50/50 approval ratings, it means he has support from most rightists), would they even run a separate candidate?

Old PSDB leaders consider PT and Bolsonaro equal evils. Acutally, I think that in private they consider Bolsonaro worse, but they don't demonstrate this view in public, because their party looks for similar voters. New PSDB leaders have better relation with Bolsonaro.
It is obvious that the non-Bolsonaro right will have its own candidate. PSDB and DEM leaders want to keep their parties alive. People who consider Bolsonaro good or very good is always between 30% and 40%, no more than this. But the left has a 30% ceiling. There is a large share of the Brazilian population who dislike both the left and Bolsonaro. The non-Bolsonaro right was the biggest winner of the 2020 municipal election.
If the 2022 presidential election has only one left-wing candidate and only one non-Bolsonaro right-wing candidate, it will be possible to keep Bolsonaro out of the runoff. But it is very hard for the parties to reach this agreement.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on December 17, 2020, 10:59:28 PM
Only bad news in Brazil!
Most recent one: a male representative, who was walking behind a female representative, put his hands on her breasts in the São Paulo State Assembly. This is harassment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fzds3PkzsBY


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on December 18, 2020, 05:34:30 AM
A Supreme Court majority has decided that vaccination will be obligatory in Brazil, which doesn’t mean it will be forced.

“Obligatory” in a similar sense that voting is technically “mandatory”. Basically, if you refuse to take one, you suffer some sanctions/penalties as punishment for not fulfilling your civil duties. Probably will be stuff like government not providing documents like passports, or social benefits being canceled for those who receive it.

Still, it is a major blowback to Bolsonaro, who embraced the anti-vaxxers narrative of putting doubt about the vaccines safety. He initially tried to sabotage the SP Governor vaccine plan and now he’s trying to make a partnership in order to not get behind, but he still says he won’t vaccinate himself and that people can also just not take it if they don’t want. Making the vaccine “obligatory” changes this proposed path, so it’s good.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on December 18, 2020, 05:56:23 AM
Indeed, one of Bolsonaro's anti-vax supporters has been chuntering on about "alligators" :)


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on December 18, 2020, 12:17:33 PM
Supreme Court is the one thing stopping this country from completely falling down to ground. Most of them were nominated during Lula and Dilma years, so Bolsominions are angry that they tend to be more progressive than they want, with stuff like pro-LGBT and pro-science decisions.

Bolsominions (Bolsonaro most fanatic voters) usually respond with calls to break democracy and close the Supreme Court with police force, whenever they make a decision they hate. They especially hate this vaccine decision because it goes against what Bolsonaro promised them. They spread many fake news about vaccines to incite more fear in the population to not take them, including things like “there is HIV in the vaccine” or “ it will alter your DNA”.

Bolsonaro stimulates these theories with comments such as the one he made yesterday in order to push away responsibility from him: “If you turn into an alligator, it’s your problem”. This man should be in prison whenever he’s out of government. I wish population was angrier enough to do much worse to him, after all the people he murdered with this response to the virus.

Just to think Brazil was a reference in vaccination just 10 years ago under the left wing government... The H1N1 was much weaker but the federal government response treated it more serious than current ones treat COVID-19. The right (domestic and international) is too incompetent and jealous, they only live to hate the others successes and progress. It’s easier to destroy what others made than construct something of your own, which is why they fully embrace anti-intellectualism.

President of the congress Rodrigo Maia (from DEM) has also done good work in blocking Bolsonaro more regressive agenda but Brazilian constitution doesn’t allow reelection for the president of congress and senate seats, both of which last only two years. His presidential term ends in February, let’s see whether he can articulate enough support in congress to elect a successor or if Bolsonaro will win the fight and elect his own chosen candidate: Arthur Lira (Progressistas).


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on December 18, 2020, 06:01:25 PM
Bolsonaro is playing a double game about vacines

The Ministry of Health will purchase the vacines produced in São Paulo by the chinese laboratory Sinovac because Bolsonaro needs to be accepted by the anti-left population in Brazil which is ~60% of the population. And sane people, no matter if is left, right or center, want to have the vacine.

On the other hand, Bolsonaro keeps the speech promoting a negative view on the Sinovac vacine to his fanatic followers, who are ~20% of the population. They believe everything coming from the PR China is evil.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: xelas81 on December 18, 2020, 10:36:59 PM
Why did Brazil order Sinovac over Pfzer or Moderna Vaccine in the first place?
Was it cheaper?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on December 18, 2020, 11:04:57 PM
Yes. Pfizer is very expensive and Brazil has no enough quantity of -70C freezers in order to keep the Pfizer vacines.

Even though, Brazil should have bough and should have tried to purchase the freezers. The losses related to the delay of the vacines are much higher than the price of Pfizer.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on December 19, 2020, 03:54:32 AM
Why did Brazil order Sinovac over Pfzer or Moderna Vaccine in the first place?
Was it cheaper?

I think Moderna is mostly reserved for the US, UK, Canada and a few others to some European countries. Not sure, but I believe US bought almost all the stock in advance.

Pfizer deal wasn’t initially made with the government arguing that it was logistically impossible to distribute the vaccine since that one has to be stored in -70 Celsius degree freezers. But other Latin American countries bought it and Pfizer said they presented a solution for it so I think it’s partially the government’s bad will as well. I don’t trust Bolsonaro government to want the pandemic to end.

Btw, “Brazil” as a federal institution didn’t buy Sinovac vaccines, it bought Oxford ones.

Sinovac was an independent deal made by the São Paulo governor (João Doria from PSDB) with China, to Brazilian institutions to produce that vaccine in Brazil and distribute them to all citizens of the São Paulo state. Federal government vilified that vaccine for political reasons and is only NOW wanting to buy them from São Paulo government because Doria promised to vaccinate São Paulo in January and federal government doesn’t have other options. It would be very bad for Bolsonaro image if only São Paulo got vaccinated due to a initiative from a political adversary of his, while other states have no vaccine and see São Paulo get vaccinated. That’s why Bolsonaro is pretending to care about vaccination now, political reasons.

Federal government bought tons of Oxford vaccines months ago and acted like it was a done deal and they wouldn’t have to worry about vaccines anymore. Probably they liked how it was much cheaper and also assumed it would be the first to come out because it looked so months ago. When the smartest path would be to not rely on one single vaccine, I would’ve bought a smaller moderate amount from each different vaccine. That way you ensure at least the vaccination of groups under risk starts the moment first vaccine is approved, while also getting to see which works best for the future.

Now, with the delays and questions of Oxford vaccine, Federal government is forced to rely on the Chinese vaccine they vilified lmao. It’s actually funny, but without the laughter and with more deaths. Hopefully the fact Bolsonaro ignored the seriousness of the pandemic will make people angrier with all this vaccination saga but Brazilian fatalism mentality, somewhat inherited from a catholic religious background, makes me not eager to put all my bets on that backlash. But it could maybe happen.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Mike88 on December 22, 2020, 01:18:53 PM
So, Rio's still incumbent mayor, Marcelo Crivella, was arrested today because of alleged bribery scheme in city hall.

He's also been accused of using IURD, Universal Church of the Kingdom of God, for money laundering.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on December 22, 2020, 03:48:46 PM
So, Rio's still incumbent mayor, Marcelo Crivella, was arrested today because of alleged bribery scheme in city hall.

He's also been accused of using IURD, Universal Church of the Kingdom of God, for money laundering.

I give it two weeks max for him to be released.

But good news, I guess. The conservative moralist right is crumbling.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on December 22, 2020, 08:52:46 PM
I hope Crivela and his fellows get investigated and judged, but the arest was not necessary. It is possible to arest someone before the sentence if someone is too dangerous outside the jail. If there is the danger to disturb the investigation, to harm the collection of evidence, for example. This doesn't seem to be the case of Crivela. The arest looked like a theater.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on December 22, 2020, 09:57:20 PM
I hope Crivela and his fellows get investigated and judged, but the arest was not necessary. It is possible to arest someone before the sentence if someone is too dangerous outside the jail. If there is the danger to disturb the investigation, to harm the collection of evidence, for example. This doesn't seem to be the case of Crivela. The arest looked like a theater.

Totally was, especially considering he was released today and put under home arrest.

That said, these abuse of powers and “theater arrests” designed for the media have been fully normalized at this point and people have validated it because they like seeing politicians they dislike go to jail. No one cared about the sensationalism of Lula’s “arrest” so why act concerned when conservatives get arrested? Their activists are the ones who accepted this justice insurrection and punitivism (penal populism) because it was politically convenient to them when the government was a left wing one.

Now that it’s conservatives in power they act the complete opposite and turn against the “justice” they elevated, call for the closure of the judiciary and attack the same police system they used in their favor. I have no sympathy for Crivella or any conservative who gets punished (like the conservative journalist that was also arrested and had to go to hospital after getting hurt in jail).

They’re the ones who rallied behind “Car-Wash” with no criticism and wanted to punish all the corrupt system. Well, they’re the corrupt system now and they will see the consequences of the logic that they validated since far-right “Bolsonarismo” is also increasingly hated by the establishment, even if I think the left had it way worse in 2015-2016.

If you put a bland establishment person from PSDB, DEM or MDB though, they would never face that kind of intimidation, no matter how corrupt they are. Like, look at Michel Temer getting away even with all the evidences against him simply because he was a figure more politically convenient to the elites interests.

If supporters of Bolsonaro made a mea-culpa about their own role in the dystopia we live in, maybe we could have a discussion about political imprisonments but for them it’s only “political” when it’s against someone on their ideologies side. So let them drown in their own tears, I say. Flávio Bolsonaro could be very well next and at this point, I will celebrate it. Destroy these people with the same weapons they used, then we worry about solving this “penal populism” problem.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on December 24, 2020, 01:26:01 PM
Mexico, Chile and Costa Rica have started vaccination with Pfizer vaccine. Argentina starts next week.

Meanwhile, despite having similar infrastructure as these four countries, Brazil doesn’t even have a date prediction. São Paulo state governor plan is to start with the Chinese SinoVac in January 25th but federal government has no plan. No deal with Pfizer was announced. They don’t give a damn.

The hate I feel for these people is hard to be described. A mix of incompetents + Anti-vaxxers and sympathizers leading the country and sabotaging it. I can only hope it will come back in their faces somehow, even if the same level of damage they caused is impossible to be matched. Monsters. Murderers.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on December 31, 2020, 01:58:05 AM
Argentina’s approval of abortion gives me more hope for the future. It would never pass here in congress, especially under Bolsonaro, but I could see the Supreme Court doing it.

In Uruguay it’s already legal and Chile will soon have a new constitution, in which the topic could be touched on!

Brazil has similar history and backgrounds with these three. Also, in Argentina abortion will be FREE for anyone who looks for it. In Uruguay today I think it’s limited to their own citizens, which doesn’t have that much effect because if you travel there from the exterior, you can’t get it.

I could see this stimulating more tourism of Brazilian pregnant women to see the Iguaçu Falls in the border. And that’s a good thing because it normalizes and weakens the anti-abortion movement.

In 1977, divorce was finally allowed in Brazil because too many people were traveling to Uruguay to get it lmao. I can see it a similar thing happening with abortion.

Argentina really is a great country of trailblazers for Latin America. Love them. I never forget they were the first to allow gay marriage in 2010, opening the door for Brazil and Uruguay to do it in 2013, Colombia in 2016, Ecuador in 2019 and Costa Rica in 2020.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on December 31, 2020, 10:05:54 AM

In 1977, divorce was finally allowed in Brazil because too many people were traveling to Uruguay to get it lmao. I can see it a similar thing happening with abortion.


TBF, we got divorce a lot later, in 1987. Perón passed a divorce law during a period when he was against the Church but that bill was revoked less than a year later during one of the many military governments

Getting a divorce in Paraguay was fairly common


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on December 31, 2020, 10:18:26 AM
When they were candidates, Lula and Dilma didn't endorse the legalization of abortion because they didn't want to loose support of the poor religious people. Heloísa Helena doesn't support legal abortion.

Yesterday, president of PT Gleisi Hoffman and president of PSOL Juliano Medeiros sent congratulations for Argentina because of the legalization of abortion. Some progress is going on. Probably, in the next years, there will be no room for anti-abortion left anymore.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on January 03, 2021, 07:44:14 AM
An artist built a huge vagina in a natural landscape in the rural area of the state of Pernambuco. This vagina has a 33 meter length, 16 meter width and 6 meter depth https://www.metropoles.com/entretenimento/artista-faz-vagina-de-33-metros-em-pernambuco-veja-diva-de-juliana-notari


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on January 03, 2021, 07:52:05 AM
That must have involved a fair bit of fannying around.

(sorry)


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on January 09, 2021, 01:04:18 PM
After the tests, the Coronavac vaccine, produced in a partnership between chinese laboratory Sinovac and Butantan (research institute in the University of São Paulo) reached a 78% efficacy. Butantan requested the authorization of Anvisa (Brazilian FDA). Fiocruz (another research institute) is producing the Oxfort AstraZeneca and also requested the authorization of Anvisa.
Maybe, the vaccination will start in the end of January.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on January 11, 2021, 07:24:23 PM
Ford Motors will shut all the 3 factories in Brazil.
Some of the explanation is the reestructuring of the firm since the world demand for its vehicles is declining.
But Ford will keep the factories in Argentina and Uruguay.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on January 14, 2021, 02:07:27 PM
Just like at the start of the pandemic, the city of Manaus (and the Amazonas state as a whole) is seeing another collapse of their health system, with hospitals not being able to attend everyone and people dying in their homes.

Amazonas is home to most of the Amazon rainforest and majority of Indigenous communities in Brazil. Indigenous communities are in grave danger. Unlike what happened to some level in the beginning of the pandemic, people will not be willing to stay home again.

Unfortunately, Amazonas is home to lots of Bolsonaro-friendly politicians who didn’t care about going for even mild safety precautions that could help control the pandemic. Things look very dire for them for the next month or two.

Amazonas encapsules pretty well Brazil’s and Bolsonaro’s failure during the coronavirus because of unwillingness to act. Even if the state tends to be more isolated from the rest of the country and have less infrastructure, there were ways to prevent this. The images coming from there are chilling.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on January 14, 2021, 07:03:24 PM
Manaus is trying to import Oxygen from Venezuela because the Brazilian government does nothing. Celebrities are also trying to help by buying oxygen themselves to donate.



Thanks to Venezuela for the humanitarian aid!

Situation is the most devastating I’ve seen since the beginning of the pandemic. Shocking images.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on January 15, 2021, 08:23:36 AM
Rumours that a "new Covid variant" is causing this devastation.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on January 15, 2021, 05:44:16 PM
Rumours that a "new Covid variant" is causing this devastation.

It’s a virus variation more contagious and deadly than anything the world has seen so far...

Spoiler alert! Click Show to show the content.




Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on January 15, 2021, 06:48:11 PM
In March 2020, the government of Amazonas ordered a lockdown, like all the state governments in Brazil. There was a protest against this lockdown, which was not cancelled, but was not taken very seriously. There was a disaster in many state capitals in Brazil, but the worst disaster in April and May 2020 took place in Manaus (capital of Amazonas). There was not enough space in the cemiteries.
Many people though wrongly that Manaus had already achieved the herd immunization, considering the disaster of April/May.
But cases started to rise again in November. The government of Amazonas decided for another lockdown in December. There were protests supported by Eduardo Bolsonaro, Alexandre Garcia (pro-Bolsonaro journalist). The state government cancelled. In January 2021, the disaster came again.
Murders! The lesson of April 2020 was not learned.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on January 15, 2021, 06:49:47 PM
There were big panelaços (cacerolazos) in Brazilian big cities this evening. The possibility of impeachment is being debated again.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on January 15, 2021, 07:04:29 PM
Yeah, there was going to be a lockdown in Manaus in December but Bolsonaro supporters alongside some business owners pressured not to. And the governor of Amazonas is aligned with these people. Manaus/Amazonas had already shown to be Brazil’s most fragile area in the start of the pandemic last year, they were the only place that kinda collapsed.

North region of Brazil tends to be more isolated from the rest of the country because of the rainforest and with a city as big as Manaus the situation is even worse because it’s a big urban population surrounded by tons and tons of just forest. Other cities/towns either aren’t as big or as geographically isolated as Manaus.

Now this is a bloodbath. Much worse than what happened last year.

That said, if opposition was really motivated to get him out, they would go to the streets and make more noise than the crazy fanatics no matter what. You see people protesting or going to political rallies everywhere in the world but here and I would argue situation here is more critical than in many of these places. Although concern is valid, the pandemic is kinda being used as an excuse for lack of engagement.

I think this is mostly Brazil in hangover mode post 2014-2018. Some people are tired just to think about going through that political chaos again, even the ones against the government. And others who also despise Bolsonaro would rather wash their hands and have the country be destroyed by that incompetent monster in order to punish population as a whole for putting a fascist in.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Mike88 on January 16, 2021, 11:17:49 AM
There were big panelaços (cacerolazos) in Brazilian big cities this evening. The possibility of impeachment is being debated again.

And yet, Bolsonaro is still somewhat popular:

Exame/Ideia poll:  (https://exame.com/brasil/exame-ideia-vacinacao-esta-atrasada-mas-aprovacao-de-bolsonaro-vai-a-37/)

Bolsonaro's job approval rating:

37% Approve (+2)
37% Disapprove (nc)
24% Neither approve or disapprove (-1)

Bolsonaro's cabinet approval rating:

38% Good/Excellent (+2)
34% Bad/Awful (-1)
27% Average (nc)

Poll conducted between 11 and 14 January 2021. Polled 1,200 voters. MoE of 3.00%.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on January 16, 2021, 12:04:04 PM
There were big panelaços (cacerolazos) in Brazilian big cities this evening. The possibility of impeachment is being debated again.

And yet, Bolsonaro is still somewhat popular:

Exame/Ideia poll:  (https://exame.com/brasil/exame-ideia-vacinacao-esta-atrasada-mas-aprovacao-de-bolsonaro-vai-a-37/)

Bolsonaro's job approval rating:

37% Approve (+2)
37% Disapprove (nc)
24% Neither approve or disapprove (-1)

Bolsonaro's cabinet approval rating:

38% Good/Excellent (+2)
34% Bad/Awful (-1)
27% Average (nc)

Poll conducted between 11 and 14 January 2021. Polled 1,200 voters. MoE of 3.00%.

He is very popular AND unpopular too if that makes sense. Kinda like Trump, but without the two-partisan divide that makes shifts impossible.

Last Covid relief money sent to people was in the end of December. Will give more time but I don’t expect to fall too much in the short term.

From what I see, the base of his support is within the middle class right now. It was the upper classes who voted for him in 2018 but many turned against him (it’s a demographic that tends to pay much more level attention to political news) and mostly hate his guts. The “panelaço” is common type of protest in high-income neighborhoods, which was the case yesterday.

Upper class also didn’t receive the Covid relief money like others did. Which makes more understandable that the bulk of Bolsonaro’s base is in the middle class right now. People who have a somewhat decent standard of living and also some may have received the Covid relief.

Lower classes aren’t behind Bolsonaro like the middle class is, but I would say there’s more of a divide now compared to the 2018, when they were the demographic most strongly against him. So his support increased with them, likely thanks to the Covid relief. Many people didn’t change their behavior during the pandemic and the money relief came as an “extra luxury” to a significant amount so not surprising.

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This is a different poll from another institute, done in January 6th and encapsules pretty well the divide between demographics.

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Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on January 16, 2021, 10:39:01 PM
No writer could’ve written this: After Venezuela, the only other country to send help to Manaus in order to contain the Covid crisis is China.

The two countries villified by the Bolsonaro government. Lmao I love the irony of it all. Venezuela and China are doing more for Brazil than its own president.

Meanwhile, Brazilian ministry of health is spreading misinformation about the coronavirus, defending early treatment with unconfirmed medicine like chloroquine, and they got “censored” by Twitter:



Ministry of Health isn’t trustworthy when it comes to COVID-19 information. This is Brazil now.

Twitter did the same to one of Bolsonaro’s tweets but these bastards still won’t block him, they’re emboldening him and allowing stuff that will kill people to be spread. Tons of paid bots in that platform trying to shape public narrative in Bolsonaro favor and also helping movements in other countries, such as the US and the capitol revolt.

These bigtech people from Silicon Valley should be in jail. They’re the main root of most of the problems.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on January 17, 2021, 07:12:51 AM
I'm sure that Bolsonaro would be an outright virus denier if he thought he could get away with it.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on January 17, 2021, 05:59:41 PM
Vaccination finally started in Brazil today with the Chinese vaccine, thanks to the effort of São Paulo governor João Doria (PSDB) in the middle of inaction and general bad will from the federal government.

First vaccinated was Mônica Calazans, a 54 year old nurse from São Paulo:


If Doria hadn’t brought the Chinese vaccine to the country, there would be no pressure for federal institutions to start anything, because they were more worried about Doria getting the political benefits and them being under a negative spotlight than actually saving lives.

Brazilian government and the minister of health had projected vaccination to start only in March and used BUREAUCRATIC excuses for the long time. These people probably have orgasms the more this country falls into chaos and people die.

A simple governor managed to get this two months earlier and if we had competent national leadership, it would have started even earlier, around two or three weeks ago.

It’s honestly a shame to have these evil trash leading the country. Brazil is the country of Latin America that could’ve been developing and fabricating vaccines to export to our neighbors, but with these people in charge we’re not even getting enough for ourselves because government didn’t care about buying vaccines or even adopting minimal safety measures like social distancing. They instead stimulated the exact opposite.

This country will go nowhere if these people don’t eventually end up in jail. I don’t doubt many of these monsters feel pleasure in seeing lots of people die, old people dying sure must be great in order to spend less with social security and poor people dying also must be good because they’re lazy according to our economy minister, so less social benefits to be sent.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on January 18, 2021, 12:18:16 PM
New poll concerning Bolsonaro’s government approval, from XP/Ipespe. Brazilians who say his government is...

Good/Great - 32% (-6)
Regular - 26% (+1)
Bad/Awful - 40% (+5)

This just after the coronavirus stimulus help ended in the end of December and also with the deliberate federal delay for the vaccination.




Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on January 18, 2021, 06:06:07 PM
LMAO the governor of São Paulo from PSDB is now attacking president Bolsonaro in English translation as well, probably to make an international name for himself. Also to position himself as a big opposition name.


That was in response to a comment Bolsonaro made today, that it’s the armed forces that always get to decide whether a country is a democracy or a dictatorship. He always makes these kinds of statements whenever he feels politically threatened and being humiliated by a simple governor in the vaccine race must be really tough to Bolsonaro.

I’m not mad about trashing Bolsonaro to a larger audience though. Doria will run in 2022 and while this vaccine thing might give him a nice narrative boost, it will be an uphill for him. XP/Ipespe also released a poll for 2022 today:


Reminding this is all speculative and many of these people, such as Moro or Mandetta, will not run.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on January 22, 2021, 12:07:23 PM
This was bound to happen after the Manaus collapse, the vaccine political dispute being lost to Doria AND the end of the monthly stimulus money sent to the poorer Brazilians:

Bolsonaro Approval Ratings drop from 37% to 26% according to new EXAME poll. (https://exame.com/brasil/exame-ideia-aprovacao-de-bolsonaro-despenca-de-37-para-26/)

Opinion of the Bolsonaro government:
Approval - 26%
Disapproval - 45%
Neutral (neither approves or disapproves) - 25%
Doesn’t Know - 4%

Significant changes compared to the EXAME poll released just one week ago!

The historical peak of his disapproval was in May/June 2020, when disapproval reached 54% and approval got to 20%. That was in the start of the pandemic, when he was acting like a clown AND making threats against democracy.

But for the rest of 2020, his approval got on an upwards trend because of the start of the Covid stimulus money (lasted from June until December) and also a strategic moderation in Bolsonaro’s rhetoric. He stopped making public threats and got closer to “centrão”.

2nd semester was a good period for him but January 2021 is being a nightmare, probably the worst since he started. Too much bad press hitting at the same time. Talks about impeachment are being treated more seriously, even if it’s by no means a sure thing.

I doubt his approval can too much lower than 20% (a little bit maybe but not less than 15%) because I really suspect around 1/5 of the population may be either fascist or incredibly stupid/brainwashed by fake news/suicidal. But it’s a start.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on January 23, 2021, 09:20:33 AM
Datafolha
31% good / very good
26% regular
40% bad / very bad
Bolsonaro's approval rate decreased a lot in the last month

The most traditional polls in Brazil are Ibope and Datafolha. Ibope used to interview people at their homes, Datafolha used to interview people in the streets. Due to the pandemic, both are using cell phones. More recent polls like Idea, XP and 360 use cell phones. There is still no big expertise in Brazil in conducting polls through the cell phones.
The polls show not the same results in the group of all voters, but somehow similar. Good/very good is usually between 25 and 35%, bad/very bad is usually between 35 and 45%. But in the subgroups concerning gender, age, school years, income and region, polls show very different results. Small samples have more bias.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: NewYorkExpress on January 24, 2021, 07:41:30 PM
Motorcade rallies across Brazil are calling for Bolsonaro's impeachment. (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/24/brazil-rallies-bolsonaro-impeachment-covid-response)

Quote

Thousands of Brazilians have taken to the streets in their cars to demand Jair Bolsonaro’s impeachment as polls showed support for the far-right president slipping over his handling of the coronavirus pandemic.

On Saturday, as Brazil’s official Covid-19 death toll hit 216,000, leftwing and centrist protesters organised motorcade rallies in more than 20 state capitals, including Rio de Janeiro, Porto Alegre, Belo Horizonte and Belém.

The leftwing leader Guilherme Boulos told objectors parading through São Paulo the rallies signalled the start of “a popular uprising against this genocidal government”.

“We’re here to announce that we aren’t going to wait until [the next presidential election in] 2022, because lives are at stake. Now’s the time to defeat Jair Bolsonaro,” Boulos told the car-bound dissenters. “He’s going to leave the presidency and go straight to jail.”


Thousands of Brazilians have taken to the streets in their cars to demand Jair Bolsonaro’s impeachment as polls showed support for the far-right president slipping over his handling of the coronavirus pandemic.

On Saturday, as Brazil’s official Covid-19 death toll hit 216,000, leftwing and centrist protesters organised motorcade rallies in more than 20 state capitals, including Rio de Janeiro, Porto Alegre, Belo Horizonte and Belém.

The leftwing leader Guilherme Boulos told objectors parading through São Paulo the rallies signalled the start of “a popular uprising against this genocidal government”.

“We’re here to announce that we aren’t going to wait until [the next presidential election in] 2022, because lives are at stake. Now’s the time to defeat Jair Bolsonaro,” Boulos told the car-bound dissenters. “He’s going to leave the presidency and go straight to jail.”


On Sunday, rightwing groups held their own pro-impeachment events, including in Barra da Tijuca, a bastion of Bolsonaro support in west Rio.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on January 24, 2021, 11:39:22 PM
The left-wing protests asking for Bolsonaro’s impeachment were on Saturday.

Meanwhile, the right-wing protests asking for the same impeachment happened on Sunday.

This is what makes me skeptical. Both the left and right (the ones who regret their vote) want Bolsonaro out but they hate themselves too much to unite in one massive protest. Too much open wounds from 2014-2018.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on January 25, 2021, 03:06:52 PM
Not news but I think this is fun to share...



It’s the jingle of winning each presidential campaign since 1950, with a major time lapse in between because of the military dictatorship that lasted from 1964 to 1985.

I’m not sure Vargas one is official, it may just be a carnival music made to celebrate him, but it’s my favorite of all time!

1. Vargas (1950)
2. Collor (1989)
3. Lula (2002)
4. Dilma (2010)
5. Bolsonaro (2018)
6. Lula (2006)
7. FHC (1994)
8. JK (1955)
9. Dilma (2014)
10. Jânio (1960)
11. FHC (1998)

I think all of them are either good or decent enough. FHC’s re-election jingle feels kinda repetitive compared to 1994 one though.

There were also many iconic jingles from losing campaigns though. Lula’s best jingle was his first one, from his campaign in 1989, I would rank it even higher than Collor (who won the election) in the same year:



A great jingle has to be catchy but not just that. It needs to have lyrics that define what the candidate represents. It also needs to have an emotional appeal that makes the candidate more personable, approachable and show how he will defend the interests of the people.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on January 29, 2021, 06:52:06 PM
Poll Idea Data Presidential Election 2022

If Lula runs
Jair Bolsonaro (right) 34.5%
Lula (left) 22.3%
Sergio Moro (right) 11.3%
Ciro Gomes (left) 8.8%
João Doria (right) 3.6%
Luiz Mandetta (right) 3.4%
Alexandre Khalil (right) 2.7%
João Amoedo (right) 2.5%
Marina Silva (left) 2.0%
Luciano Huck (right) 1.9%
Flavio Dino (left) 1.4%

If Lula doesn't run
Jair Bolsonaro 34.4%
Fernando Haddad (left) 13.4%
Ciro Gomes 11.6%
Sergio Moro 11.6%
Luiz Mandetta 4.8%
João Doria 4.3%
Flavio Dino 3.2%
Luciano Huck 2.9%
Alexandre Khalil 2.8%
João Amoedo 2.5%
Marina Silva 2.3%

Runoff
Haddad 42.0%, Bolsonaro 38.0%
Lula 40.9%, Bolsonaro 37.8%
Ciro Gomes 41.1%, Bolsonaro 38.9%
João Doria 34.3%, Bolsonaro 39.3%
Luciano Hick 34.1%, Bolsonaro 39.4%


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: RodPresident on February 20, 2021, 11:19:12 PM
This week was very intense in Brasilia after pro-Bolsonaro congressman Daniel Silveira (PSL-RJ) was arrested by order of Supreme Court minister Alexandre de Moraes. Silveira made attacks against Supreme Court and threats to ministers of that court. Supreme Court confirmed prison by unanimity and Chamber validated it last Friday by 364-130 votes, even from supporters. Silveira was the last elected in PSL coligation (open list) thanks to votes given to Helio Uncle Tom Lopes, and got known for breaking a street plate with name of Councilwoman Marielle Franco, murdered 3 years ago, at campaign last week. He's a former policeman who was office-detained more than 80 times and known for his violent loyalty to Bolsonaro family.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on February 21, 2021, 06:43:53 PM
Brazilian Liberals are a complete joke lmao.

They elected Bolsonaro because of his pro-market economic promises and now he fired the director of Petrobras to put a general in charge.

This happened after previous director elevated gasoline prices, which has the potential of angering truck drivers and stimulating a new strike. That’s one of the main reasons for the change, Bolsonaro is scared of public manifests weakening his re-election chances.

The general has already declared: “You can’t worry only about profit”. Opposed to the neoliberal government of Pinochet in Chile, Brazilian military has always been somewhat more interventionist in the economy, even during the dictatorship.

That’s why the Liberal elites alliance with the all the different conservative sectors (including the military but going all the way to the fundamentalist Christians) to elect this fascist wannabe is hilarious. They are really acting betrayed by a guy who was always a parasite of the State and public money. Some still in denial though.

I mean, these people continuously sh**t and scaremonger about Venezuela and yet they helped more than the ones they criticize to make us closer to a “Venezuela” with all these military crooks in positions of power and the militarization of the State. Reminds a lot of Maduro giving the power of PDVSA to Venezuelan generals.

Serves them right. Hope they’re proud of their part in destroying the country because this is something we’ll always bring to shove in their faces, just like the dictatorship.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: President Punxsutawney Phil on February 21, 2021, 06:52:15 PM
Brazilian Liberals are a complete joke lmao.

They elected Bolsonaro because of his pro-market economic promises and now he fired the director of Petrobras to put a general in charge.

This happened after previous director elevated gasoline prices, which has the potential of angering truck drivers and stimulating a new strike. That’s one of the main reasons for the change, Bolsonaro is scared of public manifests weakening his re-election chances.

The general has already declared: “You can’t worry only about profit”. Opposed to the neoliberal government of Pinochet in Chile, Brazilian military has always been somewhat more interventionist in the economy, even during the dictatorship.

That’s why the Liberal elites alliance with the all the different conservative sectors (including the military but going all the way to the fundamentalist Christians) to elect this fascist wannabe is hilarious. They are really acting betrayed by a guy who was always a parasite of the State and public money. Some still in denial though.

I mean, these people continuously sh**t and scaremonger about Venezuela and yet they helped more than the ones they criticize to make us closer to a “Venezuela” with all these military crooks in positions of power and the militarization of the State. Reminds a lot of Maduro giving the power of PDVSA to Venezuelan generals.

Serves them right. Hope they’re proud of their part in destroying the country because this is something we’ll always bring to shove in their faces, just like the dictatorship.
Brazilian Liberals are very very liberal. As in, they very liberally focus purely on enriching themselves to the exclusion of all other things.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on February 28, 2021, 06:51:09 AM
The expectation of a keynesian shift was short lived. Bolsonaro changed the president of Petrobras in order to reduce the price of the fuels because he wants to keep the support of the truck drivers. But the rest of the Chicago policies continue: the representatives and senators of his base are trying to approve an amnendment in order to end the floor of share of the budget to education and health. This floor was established by the Constitution of 1988. The plan to privatize the post office is still alive.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on February 28, 2021, 11:02:05 AM
The expectation of a keynesian shift was short lived. Bolsonaro changed the president of Petrobras in order to reduce the price of the fuels because he wants to keep the support of the truck drivers. But the rest of the Chicago policies continue: the representatives and senators of his base are trying to approve an amnendment in order to end the floor of share of the budget to education and health. This floor was established by the Constitution of 1988. The plan to privatize the post office is still alive.

I mean, is this sort of thing actually *popular*?

Or is he just very good at disguising it with culture war stuff??


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on February 28, 2021, 03:34:59 PM
The expectation of a keynesian shift was short lived. Bolsonaro changed the president of Petrobras in order to reduce the price of the fuels because he wants to keep the support of the truck drivers. But the rest of the Chicago policies continue: the representatives and senators of his base are trying to approve an amnendment in order to end the floor of share of the budget to education and health. This floor was established by the Constitution of 1988. The plan to privatize the post office is still alive.

I mean, is this sort of thing actually *popular*?

Or is he just very good at disguising it with culture war stuff??

Bolsonaro is not more popular than other elected presidents in the middle of the first term.

Jair Bolsonaro in early 2021 has higher approval rate than Fernando Collor de Mello had in early 1992. But he has lower approval rate than Fernando Henrique Cardoso had in early 1997, lower approval rate than Luís Inácio Lula da Silva had in early 2005, lower approval rate than Dilma Rousseff had in early 2013.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on February 28, 2021, 05:15:35 PM
The expectation of a keynesian shift was short lived. Bolsonaro changed the president of Petrobras in order to reduce the price of the fuels because he wants to keep the support of the truck drivers. But the rest of the Chicago policies continue: the representatives and senators of his base are trying to approve an amnendment in order to end the floor of share of the budget to education and health. This floor was established by the Constitution of 1988. The plan to privatize the post office is still alive.

I mean, is this sort of thing actually *popular*?

Or is he just very good at disguising it with culture war stuff??

As Burito pointed out, I think Brazilians just tend to give presidents a chance in their first term, unless they feel their consumer power is going drastically down. But even then, Bolsonaro is less popular than past presidents (FHC, Lula, Dilma) at the same point, he’s only above Collor.

Collor is the exception because he angered the elites that elected him by freezing people’s savings in the bank. Bolsonaro slightly lost support from the elites but they still kinda have his back because well, they have nowhere else to go lmao.

Bolsonaro isn’t a Chicago Boy at heart, he’s an interventionist who has to suck up to the agenda of economical elites because without them he’s not getting re-elected. But at the same time he wants to grow with low income voters so sometimes he shows his interventionist face (like in the Petrobras director thing, in order to make gas consumers happy with more price control). He is trying to balance two different positions and make everyone somewhat satisfied in order to boost his 2022 chances.

The risk of it is that trying to make everyone satisfied can have the exact opposite effect and all sides turn against you. But if he succeeds, it’s great for him. He knows he cannot rely with just one type of demographic anymore.

Besides, 2018 elections were the most polarized (along with 2014) we’ve had. There are a significant amount of people who may not really approve his government but will never admit it so soon after cutting ties with family members, etc.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: LM Brazilian Citizen on March 05, 2021, 01:28:32 PM
Poll Paraná Pesquisas Presidential Election 2022

 February 25th -  March 1st 2021

Scenario 1 (the most probable)

Jair Bolsonaro (no party - far-right - authoritarianism, neofascism, traditionalism, economic liberalism, ultranationalism)                                                       

31,9%

Sérgio Moro (no party - center-right to right-wing - social conservatism, anti-corruption, economic liberalism)                                 

11,5%

Fernando Haddad (Worker's Party - PT - left-wing - democratic socialism, marxism, lulism)                                 

10,5%

Ciro Gomes (Democratic Labour Party - PDT -center-left - social democracy, nationalism) 
                                                                                                                             
10%

Luciano Huck (no party - center to center-right - Third Way, liberalism, social liberalism, economic liberalism)

8%

João Doria (Brazilian Social Democracy Party  - PSDB - center to center-right - Third Way, economic liberalism, social democracy, social liberalism, social conservatism)

5,3%

Guilherme Boulos (Socialism and Liberty Party - PSOL - left-wing to far-left - democratic socialism, anti-capitalism, LGBT rights, cannabis legalization)

3,2%

João Amoêdo (New Party - NOVO - center-right to right-wing - economic liberalism, social conservatism, fiscal conservatism)

2,8%

don't know and didn't answer 4,3%

Blank, null, nobody 12,5%




Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: LM Brazilian Citizen on March 05, 2021, 02:08:36 PM
Poll Paraná Pesquisas Presidential Election 2022

Scenario 2 (without Huck)

February 25th to March 1st

Jair Bolsonaro (no party - far-right - authoritarianism, neofascism, traditionalism, economic liberalism, ultranationalism)

33,9%

Sérgio Moro (no party - center-right to right-wing - social conservatism, anti-corruption, economic liberalism)  

12,3%

Fernando Haddad (Worker´s Party - PT - left-wing - democratic socialism, marxism, lulism)

11,8%

Ciro Gomes (Democratic Labour Party - PDT -center-left - social democracy, nationalism)

10,7%

João Doria (Brazilian Social Democracy Party  - PSDB - center to center-right - Third Way, economic liberalism, social democracy, social liberalism, social conservatism)

6,3%

Guilherme Boulos (Socialism and Liberty Party - PSOL - left-wing to far-left - democratic socialism, anti-capitalism, LGBT rights, cannabis legalization)

3,2%

João Amoêdo (New Party - NOVO - center-right to right-wing - economic liberalism, social conservatism, fiscal conservatism)

3,2%

dk/da

4,9%

Blank, null, nobody

13,7%





Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: LM Brazilian Citizen on March 05, 2021, 02:20:31 PM
Poll Paraná Pesquisas Presidential Election 2022

Scenario 3 (with Eduardo Leite)

February 25th to March 1st

Jair Bolsonaro (no party - far-right - authoritarianism, neofascism, traditionalism, economic liberalism, ultranationalism)

32,4%

Sérgio Moro (no party - center-right to right-wing - social conservatism, anti-corruption, economic liberalism)

12%

Fernando Haddad (Worker´s Party - PT - left-wing - democratic socialism, marxism, lulism)

10,8%

Ciro Gomes (Democratic Labour Party - PDT -center-left - social democracy, nationalism)

10,3%

Luciano Huck (no party - center to center-right - Third Way, liberalism, social liberalism, economic liberalism)

8,7%

Guilherme Boulos (Socialism and Liberty Party - PSOL - left-wing to far-left - democratic socialism, anti-capitalism, LGBT rights, cannabis legalization)

3,2%

João Amoêdo (New Party - NOVO - center-right to right-wing - economic liberalism, social conservatism, fiscal conservatism)

3%

Eduardo Leite (Brazilian Social Democracy Party  - PSDB - center to center-right - Third Way, economic liberalism, social democracy, social liberalism, social conservatism)

2,3%

dk/da

4,5%

Blank, null, nobody

12,7%


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: LM Brazilian Citizen on March 05, 2021, 02:33:44 PM
Poll Paraná Pesquisas Presidential Election 2022

Scenario 4 (with Luiz Inácio da Silva - Lula and Luiz Henrique Mandetta)

February 25th to March 1st

Jair Bolsonaro (no party - far-right - authoritarianism, neofascism, traditionalism, economic liberalism, ultranationalism)

32,2%

Lula (Worker's Party - PT - left-wing - democratic socialism, marxism, lulism)

18%

Sérgio Moro (no party - center-right to right-wing - social conservatism, anti-corruption, economic liberalism)

11,6%

Ciro Gomes (Democratic Labour Party - PDT -center-left - social democracy, nationalism)

8,7%

João Doria (Brazilian Social Democracy Party  - PSDB - center to center-right - Third Way, economic liberalism, social democracy, social liberalism, social conservatism)

5,3%

Guilherme Boulos (Socialism and Liberty Party - PSOL - left-wing to far-left - democratic socialism, anti-capitalism, LGBT rights, cannabis legalization)

3,5%

João Amoêdo (New Party - NOVO - center-right to right-wing - economic liberalism, social conservatism, fiscal conservatism)

3%

Luiz Henrique Mandetta (Democrats - DEM - center-right - social conservatism, economic liberalism)

1,4%

dk/da

4,3%

blank/null/nobody

12%







Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: LM Brazilian Citizen on March 05, 2021, 02:44:46 PM
Poll Paraná Pesquisas Presidential Election 2022

Scenario 5 (the last scenario  >:-P without Moro, Huck and Boulos)

Jair Bolsonaro (no party - far-right - authoritarianism, neofascism, traditionalism, economic liberalism, ultranationalism)

37,6%

Fernando Haddad (Worker's Party - PT - left-wing - democratic socialism, marxism, lulism)

14,3%

Ciro Gomes (Democratic Labour Party - PDT -center-left - social democracy, nationalism)

13%

João Doria (Brazilian Social Democracy Party  - PSDB - center to center-right - Third Way, economic liberalism, social democracy, social liberalism, social conservatism)

6,9%

João Amoêdo (New Party - NOVO - center-right to right-wing - economic liberalism, social conservatism, fiscal conservatism)

3,9%

Luiz Henrique Mandetta (Democrats - DEM - center-right - social conservatism, economic liberalism)

2,7%

dk/da

6%

blank/null/nobody

15,5%



Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on March 05, 2021, 04:40:31 PM
()

The 5 polled scenarios already posted. It’s becoming unlikely that a center-right option can gain form with Bolsonaro having such strong support from that electorate. PSDB is the biggest chance but they’re behind both Ciro and PT.

Moro will not run, even got a job outside the country to run away from judicial consequences, so scenario 5 is the one to watch (but maybe with Luciano Huck in it).


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on March 06, 2021, 12:24:20 PM
Paraná Pesquisas usually overrates the right. I remember the poll in the runoff of 2014, in which Aécio Neves was double digit ahead of Dilma Rousseff.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on March 08, 2021, 02:05:00 PM
BREAKING NEWS

Minister Fachin from the Brazilian Supreme Court has nullified all condemnations against Lula that were issued by Sérgio Moro.

With that, Lula is electable again and is allowed to run in 2022. The legal “scam” by Moro has been reverted, Lula is now an innocent man to the law.

Still unclear whether Moro will respond criminally for his actions or not. He hid evidence that favored Lula and only leaked information that favored his condemnation.

Moro’s downfall started last year with the release of hacked messages of his telegram account, evidencing the lack of professionalism and the bias in the process. They were released by The Intercept Brasil after the hacker sent the material to journalist Glenn Greenwald.

The imprisonment of Lula prevented him to run in 2018 and opened the door for the election of Bolsonaro, putting the country into the claws of fascism.

Stay tuned for more developments.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on March 08, 2021, 03:08:20 PM
BREAKING NEWS

Minister Fachin from the Brazilian Supreme Court has nullified all condemnations against Lula that were issued by Sérgio Moro.

With that, Lula is electable again and is allowed to run in 2022. The legal “scam” by Moro has been reverted, Lula is now an innocent man to the law.

Still unclear whether Moro will respond criminally for his actions or not. He hid evidence that favored Lula and only leaked information that favored his condemnation.

Moro’s downfall started last year with the release of hacked messages of his telegram account, evidencing the lack of professionalism and the bias in the process. They were released by The Intercept Brasil after the hacker sent the material to journalist Glenn Greenwald.

The imprisonment of Lula prevented him to run in 2018 and opened the door for the election of Bolsonaro, putting the country into the claws of fascism.

Stay tuned for more developments.

Although I think better Lula not run, it is a very good news Lula has his political rights again!


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on March 08, 2021, 05:10:53 PM
BREAKING NEWS

Minister Fachin from the Brazilian Supreme Court has nullified all condemnations against Lula that were issued by Sérgio Moro.

With that, Lula is electable again and is allowed to run in 2022. The legal “scam” by Moro has been reverted, Lula is now an innocent man to the law.

Still unclear whether Moro will respond criminally for his actions or not. He hid evidence that favored Lula and only leaked information that favored his condemnation.

Moro’s downfall started last year with the release of hacked messages of his telegram account, evidencing the lack of professionalism and the bias in the process. They were released by The Intercept Brasil after the hacker sent the material to journalist Glenn Greenwald.

The imprisonment of Lula prevented him to run in 2018 and opened the door for the election of Bolsonaro, putting the country into the claws of fascism.

Stay tuned for more developments.

Although I think better Lula not run, it is a very good news Lula has his political rights again!

I think if PT will participate, it better be the real thing than the uncharismatic paper board replacement.

So Lula should run imo. I’m not voting for him in the 1st round anyway but I would be voting for him easily in a runoff against Bolsonaro, which wouldn’t be the case with Haddad.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: President Punxsutawney Phil on March 08, 2021, 05:13:51 PM
BREAKING NEWS

Minister Fachin from the Brazilian Supreme Court has nullified all condemnations against Lula that were issued by Sérgio Moro.

With that, Lula is electable again and is allowed to run in 2022. The legal “scam” by Moro has been reverted, Lula is now an innocent man to the law.

Still unclear whether Moro will respond criminally for his actions or not. He hid evidence that favored Lula and only leaked information that favored his condemnation.

Moro’s downfall started last year with the release of hacked messages of his telegram account, evidencing the lack of professionalism and the bias in the process. They were released by The Intercept Brasil after the hacker sent the material to journalist Glenn Greenwald.

The imprisonment of Lula prevented him to run in 2018 and opened the door for the election of Bolsonaro, putting the country into the claws of fascism.

Stay tuned for more developments.
Obrigado, Brazil Supreme Court! This is wonderful news!


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on March 09, 2021, 08:03:41 AM
Yes, this has to be good news. The main slight worry has to be that Lula is now 75, so would he be able to campaign as energetically as in the past?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on March 09, 2021, 10:01:09 AM
Yes, this has to be good news. The main slight worry has to be that Lula is now 75, so would he be able to campaign as energetically as in the past?

Not really as much as in the past, so much that he doesn’t put himself on the spotlight as much. I don’t really see why he should want to be president again other than his ego.

But he’s still rather active (more than say, a Joe Biden) and benefits from being a previous president who was very popular, left office with 86% approval in 2010 after all.

Prices and cost of living are increasingly higher for Brazilians nowadays and there’s a slow but growing sense of nostalgia to the 00s when everything was cheap and consumer acquisition power was high. That could benefit him, but it’s important to remember he is still much weakened in regards the public opinion compared to the past because of the effects of car-wash.

I remember in very early 2010s when the main complaints about the country (because you always gotta have something to complain) were some rich and upper middle class people complaining airports were becoming bus stations because how many more people were traveling abroad for vacations, which was always a synonym of status to them.

To think how far thing have fallen so hard in just a decade mostly because of greed... For some elite sectors it’s way more important for the poor to stay forever poor than it is for themselves to get richer. The status is everything, post modern aristocracy.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: President Johnson on March 09, 2021, 03:44:11 PM
What chance would Lula stand against Bolsonaro, if he's able to run? I'm not a huge fan of Lula, but he would be a massive improvement over the fascist who needs to be voted out next year.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on March 09, 2021, 04:17:17 PM
Lula told that there is a possibility he runs, but he also told that he is not sure. Even if he became allowed to run, it is not sure he will run. Fernando Haddad is still considered an alternative.
Considering the age, Lula told that it is not a big problem, and he compared himself to Joe Biden.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on March 09, 2021, 04:20:38 PM
For those who understands Portuguese, there is Lula's interview for El País, in which he discusses all there questions https://brasil.elpais.com/brasil/2021-03-08/lula-falta-que-a-gente-tenha-uma-proxima-eleicao-para-medirmos-forca-na-urna-com-bolsonaro.html


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on March 09, 2021, 04:26:37 PM
Polls show that Lula is the one in the opposition who performs better. He is doing better than other left-wing potential candidates and also better than "centrists" (non-Bolsonaro right-wing candidates according to the media).


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on March 09, 2021, 04:36:31 PM
Today the Supreme Court started the voting that can probably end up punishing Moro for his actions. Minister Lewandowski even talked in his vote that Moro should pay Lula and the Brazilian State as restitution to compensate for the wrongdoings.

It won’t be decided today though. They will take their time analyzing the process as requested by Minister Kassio Nunes today. Who knows when final decision will come?

PT should drop the “Free Lula” or “Lula electable” line now that they’ve won that and start demanding for Moro to go to jail. That’s the minimum, there’s no way to compensate all Brazilians for that fraud. Especially when you take into account the consequences (an anti-science genocide politically benefiting from it and getting elected to lead the country in the middle of one of the worst pandemics the modern world has faced).


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on March 10, 2021, 01:54:38 AM
Polls show that Lula is the one in the opposition who performs better. He is doing better than other left-wing potential candidates and also better than "centrists" (non-Bolsonaro right-wing candidates according to the media).

Is this just in the first round or is he performing better one on one against Bolsonaro?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: LM Brazilian Citizen on March 10, 2021, 07:44:22 AM
Polls show that Lula is the one in the opposition who performs better. He is doing better than other left-wing potential candidates and also better than "centrists" (non-Bolsonaro right-wing candidates according to the media).

Is this just in the first round or is he performing better one on one against Bolsonaro?


It depends largely. Of all the opposition candidates, Lula is the one who leads the best, however, depending on the bias of the electoral survey, he is still sometimes far behind Bolsonaro, in the first round scenarios. In the second round scenarios, this is repeated again: in some Bolsonaro leads, in others, despite being a minority of these scenarios, Lula leads.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on March 10, 2021, 03:17:18 PM
Polls show that Lula is the one in the opposition who performs better. He is doing better than other left-wing potential candidates and also better than "centrists" (non-Bolsonaro right-wing candidates according to the media).

Is this just in the first round or is he performing better one on one against Bolsonaro?


It depends largely. Of all the opposition candidates, Lula is the one who leads the best, however, depending on the bias of the electoral survey, he is still sometimes far behind Bolsonaro, in the first round scenarios. In the second round scenarios, this is repeated again: in some Bolsonaro leads, in others, despite being a minority of these scenarios, Lula leads.

Mm. I think it might be a bit of an ignominious end for Lula’s political career to lose to Bolsonaro like that, but I know Latin American presidents tend to ride off into the sunset much less often than in the US.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on March 10, 2021, 03:19:46 PM
First poll after Fachin's decision

CNN Brasil

Jair Bolsonaro 31%
Lula 21%
Sérgio Moro 10%
Luciano Huck 7%
João Doria 4%
João Amoedo 2%
Marina Silva 1%

Runoff
Jair Bolsonaro 43%
Lula 39%

Not very bad numbers, considering that incumbent presidents always lead the polls many months before the election


Today, Lula's interview was very good. He showed to be willing to build a large coalition with the center.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on March 11, 2021, 03:20:46 PM
Atlas Politico Poll

Bolsonaro's administration evaluation
Good/very good: 25%
Regular: 18%
Bad/very bad: 57%

First round 2022
Jair Bolsonaro 32.7%
Lula 27.4%
Sergio Moro 9.7%
Ciro Gomes 7.5%
Luiz Mandetta 4.3%
João Dória 4.3%
Luciano Huck 2.5%
João Amoedo 2.0%
Marina Silva 1.3%
Guilherme Boulos 0.9%
Flávio Dino 0.7%
Alexandre Khalil 0.7%

Runoff

Lula 44.9%, Bolsonaro 38.8%
Ciro Gomes 44.7%, Bolsonaro 37.5%


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on March 11, 2021, 05:13:03 PM
Atlas Politico Poll

Bolsonaro's administration evaluation
Good/very good: 25%
Regular: 18%
Bad/very bad: 57%

First round 2022
Jair Bolsonaro 32.7%
Lula 27.4%
Sergio Moro 9.7%
Ciro Gomes 7.5%
Luiz Mandetta 4.3%
João Dória 4.3%
Luciano Huck 2.5%
João Amoedo 2.0%
Marina Silva 1.3%
Guilherme Boulos 0.9%
Flávio Dino 0.7%
Alexandre Khalil 0.7%

Runoff

Lula 44.9%, Bolsonaro 38.8%
Ciro Gomes 44.7%, Bolsonaro 37.5%

1st round:

()

2nd round simulations: Mandetta (ex-health minister), Ciro Gomes and Lula (or Haddad) win against Bolsonaro, while the others lose.

()


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on March 12, 2021, 03:27:26 PM
XP Poll

First round
Jair Bolsonaro 27%
Lula 25%
Sérgio Moro 10%
Ciro Gomes 9%
Others 16%

Runoff
Bolsonaro 41%, Lula 40%


I don't know why Mandetta and Moro are still considered serious options.
Former minister of health Mandetta had a sane speech concerning the pandemic, he tried to make a serious job, but he was not very competent in the early stages of the pandemic. He was too slow in closing the airports and purchasing equipment for hospitals.
Moro is hated by the left, and he became also hated by the far-right after April 2020.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: LM Brazilian Citizen on March 12, 2021, 03:50:06 PM



I don't know why Mandetta and Moro are still considered serious options.
Former minister of health Mandetta had a sane speech concerning the pandemic, he tried to make a serious job, but he was not very competent in the early stages of the pandemic. He was too slow in closing the airports and purchasing equipment for hospitals.
Moro is hated by the left, and he became also hated by the far-right after April 2020.

Mandetta was by far the best health minister we had, when he was dismissed from office,  Brazil only had 1,600 dead in the pandemic, I think the negative impacts at the beggining of his administration were minimal.

I´m not a very big fan of him as a person, but I think you misrepresenting his management here, he gave the best of him and he didn´t want to follow Bolsonaro's chloroquine booklet, like his brief successor, Nelson Teich, and before the terrible one, current management of General Pazuello (or Pezadello - nightmare).


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on March 12, 2021, 04:19:39 PM
XP Poll

First round
Jair Bolsonaro 27%
Lula 25%
Sérgio Moro 10%
Ciro Gomes 9%
Others 16%

Runoff
Bolsonaro 41%, Lula 40%


I don't know why Mandetta and Moro are still considered serious options.
Former minister of health Mandetta had a sane speech concerning the pandemic, he tried to make a serious job, but he was not very competent in the early stages of the pandemic. He was too slow in closing the airports and purchasing equipment for hospitals.
Moro is hated by the left, and he became also hated by the far-right after April 2020.

Luciano Huck is the one that performs the worst in runoff scenarios, I hope he doesn’t run either and stays on TV. If Lula runs, this is clearly going to be a Lula vs Bolsonaro showdown. Huck will destroy his career for nothing lmao

I even hope Ciro would accept to be Lula’s VP in order to push some of his agenda. But there’s too much bad blood between those two, Lula will pick either Haddad or some random center-right name.

Moro needs to be put in jail for treason, these car-wash people received training, instructions, secret data (obtained through giant big tech) from US institutions and helped interfere in decisions made by Brazilian State agents.

What happened were acts of sedition against the interests of the country. Once we get rid of the fascist monster and put him and all the anti-scientific BS he represents back into the sewer he deserves, the next president needs to pay attention to these kinds of hybrid wars.

Unfortunately, Lula was too naive to believe in the justice system and ended up falling because of his own democratic impulses, which people used against him.

The law that says politicians need to have a clean sheet in order to run, was pushed by his government. The anti-corruption movement was given increased power by Dilma’s decisions to strengthen it. All with the greatest intentions, but they were used with different motives as we saw.

Say what you want, but more “authoritarian” leaders would’ve never allowed this kind of interference to gain so much track. You don’t have to be anti-democratic, but you gotta find the balance in order to prevent institutions from destroying themselves.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on March 13, 2021, 09:31:18 AM
According to the newspaper Estado de S. Paulo, PSOL is considering the possibility of not have a candidate in the 2022 presidential election and support Lula already in the first round. I think this is a good idea. It is better not to split the anti-Bolsonaro vote. If the left has only one candidate and the traditional right has only one candidate, it would increase the probability of keeping Bolsonaro out of the runoff.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on March 13, 2021, 10:18:25 AM
Yeah, I predicted that it was more likely to have the center-right divided (with PSDB, Huck and all the other usual minor options) than the left with PT and PSOL.

PSOL always has a candidate since their existence but in current situation with so much talk about “broad front” coming from their own supporters, they will totally support Lula.

With the right conversation (maybe promising a ministry where he can enact some of his proposals), hopefully Lula and Ciro can make a deal as well. But the possibility of having Ciro not running is more remote and would take time and conversations to happen.

Future polls will have a lot of say. I don’t see anyone breaking the vote intention of either Lula or Bolsonaro in the 1st round.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Never Made it to Graceland on March 13, 2021, 11:32:43 AM
Lula is the only one who can save Brazil.

I read an article that said thanks to damage in recent years, the Amazon is contributing more to climate change through greenhouse gases. In some ways, ousting Bolsonaro is a task with the literal fate of the world on the line.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on March 14, 2021, 09:11:51 AM
Today is the 3rd anniversary of the murder of the municipal legislator of Rio de Janeiro Marielle Franco. The civil police has already found who shot. But we still don't know who ordered the crime.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on March 17, 2021, 09:38:16 AM
DATAFOLHA POLL

Brazilians approval of the Bolsonaro government handling of the Coronavirus pandemic:

Good or Great - 22% (-4)
Regular - 24% (-1)
Bad or Awful - 54% (+6)

Brazilians approval of president Bolsonaro:

Good or Great - 30% (-1)
Regular - 24% (-2)
Bad or Awful - 44% (+4)
Don’t Know - 2%

Variations indicated are in comparison with the previous poll from the institute two months ago, in January.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on March 17, 2021, 03:56:16 PM
In this Datafolha poll, we can see that 46% is for impeachment and 50% is againt impeachment


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: LM Brazilian Citizen on March 17, 2021, 04:45:19 PM
PoderData poll:

Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva (PT - Worker´s Party - left-wing - democratic socialism, left-wing populism, marxism, labourism)

34%

Jair Bolsonaro (No party - far-right - authoritarianism, militarism, traditionalism, economic liberalism, right-wing nationalism)

30%

Sérgio Moro (No party - center-right to right-wing - economic liberalism, anticorruption, social conservatism)

6%

Ciro Gomes (PDT - Democratic Labour Party - center-left - democratic socialism, social democracy, labourism, left-wing nationalism)

5%

Luciano Huck (No party - center to center-right - liberalism, economic liberalism, social liberalism)

4%

João Amoêdo (NOVO - New Party- center-right to right-wing - economic liberalism, social conservatism, minarquism)

3%

João Doria (PSDB Brazilian Social Democracy Party - center-left, center to center-right - economic liberalism, social democracy, social liberalism, Third Way, social conservatism)

3%

Luiz Henrique Mandetta (DEM - Democrats - center-right - social conservatism, economic liberalism)

2%

Flávio Dino (PCdoB - Communist Party of Brazil - far-left - marxism-leninism, socialism)

0%

Blank/null: 10%
Don't know: 3%


https://static.poder360.com.br/2021/03/pd-intencao-presidente-17-mar-2021-2-01.png


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: LM Brazilian Citizen on March 17, 2021, 04:50:06 PM
Runoff:

Bolsonaro 37%  x  Lula 41%

Bolsonaro 34% x Ciro Gomes 39%

Bolsonaro 37% x Luciano Huck 40%

Bolsonaro 38% x Sérgio Moro 31%

Bolsonaro 41% x João Doria 31%

https://static.poder360.com.br/2021/03/PoderData-intencao-de-voto-2-turno-09.png


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on March 17, 2021, 06:24:57 PM
This poll destroys the myth that the center (the name the media gives to the non-Bolsonaro right) does better in the runoff against Bolsonaro than the left


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on March 17, 2021, 07:42:14 PM
Runoff:

Bolsonaro 37%  x  Lula 41%

Bolsonaro 34% x Ciro Gomes 39%

Bolsonaro 37% x Luciano Huck 40%

Bolsonaro 38% x Sérgio Moro 31%

Bolsonaro 41% x João Doria 31%

https://static.poder360.com.br/2021/03/PoderData-intencao-de-voto-2-turno-09.png

So basically:

:rose emoji: +5
:red flag emoji: +4
Huck +3
Moro -7
Doria -10

The more right-wing, the worst chances are against Bolsonaro. And even the lead from Ciro or Lula isn’t much comfortable.

That’s because for many regular working class people there won’t be a difference between a Bolsonaro and a Moro or a Doria. Too bad for the media sectors who demand a centrist Joe Biden-like figure as a solution against Bolsonaro.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Pick Up the Phone on March 17, 2021, 08:45:42 PM
João Doria (PSDB Brazilian Social Democracy Party - center-left, center to center-right - economic liberalism, social democracy, social liberalism, Third Way, social conservatism)

Isn't that a little contradictory? Or does it relate to different issues?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on March 17, 2021, 08:53:31 PM
PSDB is not social democrat
PSDB is the brazilian CDU


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: LM Brazilian Citizen on March 17, 2021, 09:16:08 PM
João Doria (PSDB Brazilian Social Democracy Party - center-left, center to center-right - economic liberalism, social democracy, social liberalism, Third Way, social conservatism)

Isn't that a little contradictory? Or does it relate to different issues?

Basically PSDB (Brazilian Social Democracy Party) its a Brazilian big tent political party, in which there are social liberals from this oldest wing that founded the party in 1988, as the former president of Brazil Fernando Henrique Cardoso (FHC), José Serra, Mário Covas, Geraldo Alckmin, and that from the last years, being opposition to the left-wing governments of the Worker´s Party (PT), of the former presidents Lula and Dilma Rousseff, the party moved to the center to center-left in its early years to the right, in which the party said (and still says) that it defends social democracy, and then mixed with elements of Third Way and Christian democracy and was even more to the political right with the rise of the current governor of the state of São Paulo, the most populous in Brazil, João Doria, who says that he is socially conservative and economically neoliberal, supported the current far-right president Jair Bolsonaro (PSL at the time and today  he has no party) in 2018 and now he is pre-candidate to the post of president of Brazil in 2022.

The younger wing of the party is more conservative than its wing that founded the party.

In Germany, PSDB is perhaps like the FDP party, which was center-left and later went to the neoliberal center-right. 


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on March 17, 2021, 10:41:58 PM
João Doria (PSDB Brazilian Social Democracy Party - center-left, center to center-right - economic liberalism, social democracy, social liberalism, Third Way, social conservatism)

Isn't that a little contradictory? Or does it relate to different issues?

PSDB is a contradiction as a party. They’re a bunch of neoliberals and their only president (FHC in the 90s) was the peak of privatizations in this country but the media will INSIST they’re center-left when the left voters absolutely hate them and vote all for PT or other options like PSOL.

It’s like they constantly try to move the center of gravity in order for PSDB to be in the center-left in order to erase the left, as the media hates them.

To be fair, the PSDB got increasingly more right-wing as time passed to make a counterpoint with PT. But when it was originally founded post-dictatorship, it could be considered a center-left or center party. That’s where the social-democratic in the name comes from, as in that immediate post-dictatorship moment, there was an almost unanimous progressive sentiment.

But nowadays, they’re totally center-right. Older members who are there since it was founded may be less conservative and will sometimes voice disagreements with the party direction but they have no power. Most people from that time already left the party.

Ciro Gomes was once in the PSDB in 1990 for example. But he is now in PDT, a center left-wing nationalist party inspired on Brizola and Getúlio Vargas.

Bolsonaro supporters HATE PSDB because they consider them a bunch of leftists and socialists simply because they’re not crazy, anti-democratic and anti-science like them lmao.

Meanwhile, PT supporters and other segments of the left HATE PSDB because they consider them a bunch of neoliberals who work for the corporations interests and not for the people.

PSDB always gets to be the media darling though (who hates both the PT and Bolsonaro) and also from different establishment sectors.

Since 1994, elections are basically a polarization between PT and the PSDB. The left votes for PT and the right for PSDB.

That ended in 2018 with Bolsonaro radicalizing the right. PSDB regular voters didn’t vote for PSDB and picked Bolsonaro instead. PSDB ended in 4th place with around 4%.

That’s why it’s hard to see them getting back in the game with Bolsonaro still having so much support. Those are mostly their voters. PSDB needs to target Bolsonaro if they want them back.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on March 18, 2021, 08:40:03 AM
This poll destroys the myth that the center (the name the media gives to the non-Bolsonaro right) does better in the runoff against Bolsonaro than the left

Well one poll arguably can't "destroy" anything ;)

But yes, its modestly encouraging.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Lord Halifax on March 18, 2021, 09:30:32 AM
Runoff:

Bolsonaro 37%  x  Lula 41%

Bolsonaro 34% x Ciro Gomes 39%

Bolsonaro 37% x Luciano Huck 40%

Bolsonaro 38% x Sérgio Moro 31%

Bolsonaro 41% x João Doria 31%

https://static.poder360.com.br/2021/03/PoderData-intencao-de-voto-2-turno-09.png

So basically:

:rose emoji: +5
:red flag emoji: +4
Huck +3
Moro -7
Doria -10


Why are they polling Huck? Is he likely to run?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: LM Brazilian Citizen on March 18, 2021, 10:14:59 AM
Runoff:

Bolsonaro 37%  x  Lula 41%

Bolsonaro 34% x Ciro Gomes 39%

Bolsonaro 37% x Luciano Huck 40%

Bolsonaro 38% x Sérgio Moro 31%

Bolsonaro 41% x João Doria 31%

https://static.poder360.com.br/2021/03/PoderData-intencao-de-voto-2-turno-09.png

So basically:

:rose emoji: +5
:red flag emoji: +4
Huck +3
Moro -7
Doria -10


Why are they polling Huck? Is he likely to run?

Yes, although there is no total likelihood that he will run, he was considered to run in the 2018 presidential election, but he remained on his TV show "Caldeirão do Huck" or "Huck's Cauldron" in english, on Rede Globo TV station, supported Bolsonaro in the second round of the 2018 presidential election and he is now choosing a liberal center party to join and run in 2022.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on March 18, 2021, 10:29:00 AM
Runoff:

Bolsonaro 37%  x  Lula 41%

Bolsonaro 34% x Ciro Gomes 39%

Bolsonaro 37% x Luciano Huck 40%

Bolsonaro 38% x Sérgio Moro 31%

Bolsonaro 41% x João Doria 31%

https://static.poder360.com.br/2021/03/PoderData-intencao-de-voto-2-turno-09.png

So basically:

:rose emoji: +5
:red flag emoji: +4
Huck +3
Moro -7
Doria -10


Why are they polling Huck? Is he likely to run?

He wants to but no one knows if he will.

He has a long TV career constructed at Globo and he would lose it all if he decided to run, as Globo doesn’t accept their names being politically associated with the government or political parties. Bolsonaro’s ex-minister of culture was an iconic name from Globo, who was there since 1969: Her contract with the TV broadcaster was terminated and for nothing as she was later dismissed by Bolsonaro from the job because she said some stuff that wasn’t 100% against culture.

So, it can be quite risky for people with a stable TV career job that pays them a fortune to simply give it up for the sake of politics. I don’t know how big Huck’s ambitions are but it sounds like an awful deal to give it all up just to fail to make runoff, as for now it’s quite clear it will be a Lula vs Bolsonaro election.

I am not sure Huck will want to go through with his candidature. It may happen but if it does I feel like it will be a waste of space that will only prejudice himself. If he is smart, he won’t run. He is positioning himself as a center candidate, to the left of PSDB but to the right of Ciro. Kinda like: a center-right guy on economics but progressive on everything else. There is practically no space for PSDB or Ciro, imagine for Huck.

I am a Ciro supporter and even I think Ciro should eventually start considering not running because there’s absolutely no way to break the Lula vs Bolsonaro dynamic. If I were him I would, in the eve of the elections (assuming no judiciary or legislative surprises* happen in the following year and a half), try to make a deal with Lula in order to put down his PDT candidature in exchange of a position like VP or minister where he could push for some of his agenda.

*Surprises like the judiciary putting Lula in jail again in order to stop him from running OR even a Bolsonaro impeachment that prevents him from running.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on March 18, 2021, 03:39:19 PM
Details of the Datafolha Poll of March 2021 about the rating of Bolsonaro's administration

I will write the results as the following:
Demographic group: good/very good, regular, bad/very bad

All: 30, 24, 44

Gender
Male: 35, 24, 40
Female: 26, 24, 48

Age
16-24: 21, 30, 46
25-34: 33, 25, 41
35-44: 31, 23, 45
45-59: 34, 23, 42
60-: 32, 20, 45

Instruction
Elementary: 31, 26, 41
High School: 31, 26, 41
College: 28, 17, 55

Income (1MW~US$200 monthly)
0-2 MW: 28, 26, 44
2-5 MW: 35, 22, 42
5-10 MW: 32, 19, 48
>10MW: 30, 14, 54

Region
Southeast: 29, 24, 45
South: 39, 24, 34
Northeast: 24, 25, 49
Centerwest/North: 39, 21, 39

Municipality
Metro area: 27, 23, 48
Countryside: 33, 24, 41

Color
White: 35, 21, 43
Brown: 30, 26, 42
Black: 22, 22, 55
Asian: 24, 28, 44

Religion
Catholic: 29, 24, 45
Evangelic: 37, 27, 35

http://media.folha.uol.com.br/datafolha/2021/03/17/6879812ac6be2a83138f6379ef5711cdabsnr.pdf


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on March 18, 2021, 03:50:38 PM
It is horrible to see that, according to last Datafolha poll, 56% don't consider Bolsonaro bad/very bad. But it is not hard to understand

1) Many people had already had the covid19, they had mild symptoms and they don't care about the pandemic anymore. They care more about income, jobs and food. This is a selfish view, because many old people and people who had previous diseases are dying, and a ignorant view, because if a country has adequate policies to deal with the pandemic, it would be better for income and jobs.

2) The business elite still supports the administration and they have money to build an opinion

3) Most of the newspapers criticizes Bolsonaro concerning the pandemic, the environment and the foreign relations, but they still support Paulo Guedes's economic policies

4) The is no leader in the oposition who has high popularity. Lula polls well, but 40% of the population hate him. Fernando Haddad, Ciro Gomes and Guilherme Boulos are not very popular

5) There is a (wrong) perception that there is no big scandal in this administration. There is the scandal related to the oldest son when he was state representative in Rio de Janeiro, but these facts took place before 2018. (I still think the money used to buy cloroquine in 2020 a scandal)


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on March 18, 2021, 05:16:22 PM
This poll destroys the myth that the center (the name the media gives to the non-Bolsonaro right) does better in the runoff against Bolsonaro than the left

Well one poll arguably can't "destroy" anything ;)

But yes, its modestly encouraging.

Other polls show similar results. But yes, you are correct, it is hard to establish a truth only after some polls


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: RodPresident on March 18, 2021, 07:14:46 PM
Senator Sergio Olimpio Gomes (PSL-SP),58, known as Major Olimpio died due to Covid-19. He was interned since March. He was elected in PSL 2018 wave but split with Bolsonaro and supported vaccination, but he had problems with governor Doria and protested against restrictive decisions against virus. He was a policeman and served 2 terms as state legislator (2007-2015) and 1 term as Federal Deputy (2015-19).


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on March 19, 2021, 12:38:25 AM
It is horrible to see that, according to last Datafolha poll, 56% don't consider Bolsonaro bad/very bad. But it is not hard to understand

1) Many people had already had the covid19, they had mild symptoms and they don't care about the pandemic anymore. They care more about income, jobs and food. This is a selfish view, because many old people and people who had previous diseases are dying, and a ignorant view, because if a country has adequate policies to deal with the pandemic, it would be better for income and jobs.

2) The business elite still supports the administration and they have money to build an opinion

3) Most of the newspapers criticizes Bolsonaro concerning the pandemic, the environment and the foreign relations, but they still support Paulo Guedes's economic policies

4) The is no leader in the oposition who has high popularity. Lula polls well, but 40% of the population hate him. Fernando Haddad, Ciro Gomes and Guilherme Boulos are not very popular

5) There is a (wrong) perception that there is no big scandal in this administration. There is the scandal related to the oldest son when he was state representative in Rio de Janeiro, but these facts took place before 2018. (I still think the money used to buy cloroquine in 2020 a scandal)

I think these 30% that still support him will forever do it until they die lmao. I don’t see them switching back to PSDB now that they have been radicalized.

A better explanation is simply that these people have been brainwashed by propaganda and hate speech. They would destroy vaccines, burn hospitals or even die for their great leader.

It’s hard to admit around 30% of people you’re forced to live with are either plain fascists or suicidal or incredibly dumb and selfish but that is the reality. I don’t really expect the approval numbers to go below 20-25% (and those numbers are “optimistic” scenario, in case we end up seeing corpses on the street after the collapse).

They won’t change because it’s an ego thing at this point, they’re too mentally into this and for so long at this point that would drive them crazy with guilt and shame to suddenly wake up to reality. If I had ever supported this stuff, I wouldn’t know how to forgive myself tbh.

The focus should be that a majority of the country, over 50%, is against him and the Nazis are now in defense mode. They know if the election was today they would lose. That’s why they’re trying to push for the prison of people who publicly criticize Bolsonaro and call him for what he is: a genocidal maniac.

It’s all about trying to suppress speech by making people scared and it’s great to see that having the opposite effect and stimulating people to attack him even more. We should always remind that he eventually will have to pay for his humanitarian crimes once he is gone and rot in jail for the rest of his miserable life.

That’s why he will never concede and people should be prepared to give a strong reaction against that monster, 10x stronger than what happened in 2013.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on March 19, 2021, 10:46:33 PM
The Federal Police, after receiving signed orders from president Bolsonaro, is investigating his 2022 presidential adversary Ciro Gomes for criticisms he made of the president in one interview, as it was an “insult against the president honor”. Ciro usually criticizes his political adversaries with harsh words, in that interview he called Bolsonaro a thief.

This week there were a lot of these type of news. Popular YouTuber Felipe Neto received a police intimation for insulting the president (that was one day later suspended), Police arrested a group of five protesters with a plaque saying the president was committing a genocide (they were all released later), etc.

None of these attacks on freedom of speech has really sticked so far but they will keep pushing for them because they are desperate. Popularity is down and COVID is about to get much much worse in the next 30 days here, we could see a tragedy. So they feel they need to make this to try to make people scared of voicing their opinions, it’s not a coincidence this is starting right at this specific moment. Because things are about to look real bad for the government.

Felipe Neto launched an initiative in which he will pay the legal defense of anyone who is intimated by the police for exercising their freedom of speech. It is called “Cala Boca Já Morreu” and consists of four law firms in a collaboration with Felipe.

That’s the website: https://www.calaabocajamorreu.com.br/


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on March 20, 2021, 09:29:44 AM
I think these 30% that still support him will forever do it until they die lmao. I don’t see them switching back to PSDB now that they have been radicalized.

Certainly parallels to be drawn with certain other countries here ;)

Do these "hardcore" voters skew to older people, as is quite often the case elsewhere?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on March 20, 2021, 12:25:13 PM
I think these 30% that still support him will forever do it until they die lmao. I don’t see them switching back to PSDB now that they have been radicalized.

Certainly parallels to be drawn with certain other countries here ;)

Do these "hardcore" voters skew to older people, as is quite often the case elsewhere?

I think it skews more to the youngest actually (between 16-24 years old):

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Overall population: Bolsonaro 36% vs Lula 41%. Null and blank votes are 18%.

Radicalization is very associated with uncritical access to technology. And that’s something the youngest are more subjected to, just like populism and anti-establishment rhetoric.

Also, if you’re like 23 years old, all your life has basically been under the PT government so it’s more likely for this age group to perceive the left as the establishment. They didn’t live through the military dictatorship or the Collor government and were only babies or didn’t even exist during FHC government in the 90s. That’s how a right-wing speech promising change becomes appealing for them.

Bolsonaro is their first experience with the right and they aren’t old enough to be affected by the worst of his actions (COVID, economic stuff, etc)

Meanwhile, the “Millenial” demographic (between 25-44 years old) are easily the most against Bolsonaro. If you had to generalize an average Pro-Bolsonaro and Anti-Bolsonaro voter it would be like this:

Pro-Bolsonaro voter:
- Male
- Between 16 and 24 years old
- From the Center-West Region
- Middle Class voters

Agrobusiness is really supportive of Bolsonaro, probably the most loyal base after Evangelical Protestants. That reflects on the geography, Center-West is where the agrobusiness influence is by far the strongest.

Anti-Bolsonaro voter:
- Female
- Between 25 and 44 years old
- From the Northeast Region
- Low Income voters

It’s important to know that despite similarities with other places, such as the US, the Bolsonaro movement is extremely different (and more dangerous) than what Trump or other right wing populist movements are and operate under different logics and have different types of bases.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on March 23, 2021, 06:06:12 PM
The Supreme Court considered that Sergio Moro was not impartial when he was a judge and when he sentenced Lula. Moro's sentences are not considered valid anymore.
It is becoming clear that Lula will be allowed to run in 2022 if he wants.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on March 23, 2021, 07:24:30 PM
Just to clear up, the previous Supreme Court had simply decided that Moro didn’t have competence to judge Lula as it belongs to a federal district tribunal and nullified the sentence. But the evidence presented by Moro could still be used.

This new decision considered Moro was biased in the condemnation against Lula, which also nullifies all the evidence presented in that process. Which means, an eventual new process will have to start from zero if it happens.

This recent understanding was deeply affected by the leaked hacked messages between ex-judge Moro and the prosecutors, released by The Intercept Brasil between 2018 and now. Minister Carmen Lucia altered her vote thanks to this, as her previous understanding was against Lula. According to some reports I read, she was shocked and angry with the content of the hacked messages.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on March 30, 2021, 01:49:28 AM
Bolsonaro has fired six ministers, including Foreign Affairs and Defense - apparently to placate the centrão and/or the military.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on March 30, 2021, 02:32:58 AM
Bolsonaro has fired six ministers, including Foreign Affairs and Defense - apparently to placate the centrão and/or the military.

The worst Foreign relations minister Brazil ever had in all its existence as a country by the way.

I feel Meh about it though because knowing Bolsonaro, the new guy is either exactly the same or even worse.

This is all for show to signal the government is changing under pressure from all sides, as Bolsonaro is at his weakest position in his term so far, making Centrão feel free to demand more positions in exchange of support.

And as Bolsonaro’s image gets more negative, the more expensive this support gets as Centrão congressmen risk their own electoral image with the association with the government in the moment COVID handling by the president shows to be a disaster, Lula returns, etc. That’s why they also pressure the government to be more competent and get rid of the bad names.

Getting rid of the Foreign minister is something Bolsonaro didn’t want but was politically forced to do. Too much pressure also coming from the never before seen huge negative reputation of Brazil internationally under Bolsonaro government. The stereotype of “samba, football and happy friendly people” changed to “Fascism, anti-environmentalism and stupidity”. Everyone hates Brazil nowadays, from China to the US, from India to Europe and even important Latin American allies like Argentina.

Brazil’s independent position from Lula’s government, reaching out to countries like Iran and focusing on more regional cooperation within Latin America went to a submissive one of automatic uncritical allignement with everything the crazy far-right defends and sh**ts on all its allies.

For example, Bolsonaro loves Israel and Saudi Arabia simply because that’s what is inside the far-right book, he doesn’t even understand why he has that position, he just blindly follows. And he only picks the worst aspects of these places while simply ignoring the good stuff, like, I wish he copied Israel’s vaccination strategy or liberal pro-LGBT stances since he loves there so much! (even though he happened put a neonazi as Brazil’s minister of culture once but surely it was just an accident).

I doubt the next Foreign minister will be significantly better, you gotta change the president in order to achieve that. But I suppose it’s nice that Bolsonaro is showing signs of collapse?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: RodPresident on March 30, 2021, 05:55:05 AM
Bolsonaro has fired six ministers, including Foreign Affairs and Defense - apparently to placate the centrão and/or the military.
A major cabinet reshuffle:
Foreign Relations
Ernesto Araujo (far-right, Olavo de Carvalho's supporter) ------> Carlos Alberto Franco França (Protocol's chief)
Defense
Fernando Azevedo e Silva (a well-connected general) -------->Braga Neto (another military who was former interventor in RJ's security who was Chief of Staff last year)
Chief of Staff
Braga Neto --------> Luiz Eduardo Ramos (another general who was Bolsonaro's mate in Military Academy and was Secretary of Government, a position who deals with Congress and political articulation)
Secretary of Government
Luiz Eduardo Ramos --------> Flavia Arruda (a 1st term congresswoman of PR-DF who's married to scandal ridden José Eduardo Arruda, a former senator who resigned after violating voting's secrecy in Senate, got a comeback as DF governor but was found in another scandal of bribes who was known as DEM (his party at time) Mensalao)
Justice
André Mendonça (a lawyer and Presbyterian reverend who'll return to Solicitor General and is favorite to get next spot at Supreme Court, this maneuver is to preserve him) -----> Anderson Gustavo Torres (DF Secretary of Public Security who's very close to Bolsonaro's sons)
Solicitor General
José Levi (he was refusing to subscribe lawsuits who Bolsonaro's moving against social distancing decisions made by governors and mayors) ------> André Mendonça


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on March 30, 2021, 07:11:43 AM
You can be highly cynical about this, and almost certainly correctly so - but the mere fact Bolsonaro has felt the need to make these changes must tell us something?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: LM Brazilian Citizen on March 30, 2021, 09:04:09 AM
You can be highly cynical about this, and almost certainly correctly so - but the mere fact Bolsonaro has felt the need to make these changes must tell us something?

It shows that the Bolsonaro government is more fragile, perhaps more fragile than any other moment since he took office on January 1st, 2019.

He needs to govern with the support of center and center-right parties ('Centrão'), putting new government ministers appointed by the Centrão, otherwise he may undergo an impeachment process and he may lose his position as president (which I don't think will occur until October 2022, until the new general elections), or else he can try to give a military coup d'état and install a dictatorship if Congress doesn't collaborate with him.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on March 30, 2021, 09:25:43 AM
You can be highly cynical about this, and almost certainly correctly so - but the mere fact Bolsonaro has felt the need to make these changes must tell us something?

Sure, it tells us that he’s very weak politically that he has to bow down to pressure. Pressure coming from his Centrão allies, from unsatisfied military actors, from external players, etc.

But the changes are mostly for the sake of signaling change, I don’t believe in any major change of heart in regards on how the government deals with the issues. Even if he nominated good people out of pressure, he would sabotage them when they happened to disagree with him on something and/or become more popular than him.

That’s what he did to Mandetta, minister of health fired in the beginning of the pandemic simply for being competent and pro-science. Bolsonaro didn’t like that he was getting more popular than him and saw that as a threat, later choosing to put a goon like Pazuello in the position.

You can be highly cynical about this, and almost certainly correctly so - but the mere fact Bolsonaro has felt the need to make these changes must tell us something?

It shows that the Bolsonaro government is more fragile, perhaps more fragile than any other moment since he took office on January 1st, 2019.

He needs to govern with the support of center and center-right parties ('Centrão'), putting new government ministers appointed by the Centrão, otherwise he may undergo an impeachment process and he may lose his position as president (which I don't think will occur until October 2022, until the new general elections), or else he can try to give a military coup d'état and install a dictatorship if Congress doesn't collaborate with him.

You gotta have major support for that though and he doesn’t have that either from the parliament, the media, the population or the military. Would be fun in these circumstances to see him and the crazies even try, at least it would be an excuse to get rid of them earlier, before 2022.

That’s why only thing he can do is to suck up to Centrão demands.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on March 30, 2021, 09:43:14 PM
Of course, Ernesto Araújo's anti-China views copied from the American far-right were not very welcome in the Congress. Even the right-wing representatives didn't like it. Many representatives are supported by the agriculture sector, and China is the biggest destination of the Brazilian agriculture exports.

Besides, the inputs of the 2 anti-covid vaccine used in Brazil, Coronavac and Oxford AstraZeneca, are imported from China.

Araújo's other ideas: the left supports abortion because the left doesn't want people born and doesn't want Jesus born, modern Europe is a culturally empty space and the national-socialism was a left-wing movement.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on April 05, 2021, 06:44:29 PM
New XP/Ipespe poll!

1st round:

Lula (PT) 29%
Bolsonaro (no party) 28%
Sérgio Moro (no party) 9%
Ciro Gomes (PDT) 9%
-
Luciano Huck (no party) 5%
Guilherme Boulos (PSOL) 3%
João Doria (PSDB) 3%
Henrique Mandetta (DEM) 3%

Runoff scenarios:

Bolsonaro 38% vs Lula 42%
Bolsonaro 30% vs Sérgio Moro 30%
Bolsonaro 38% vs Ciro Gomes 38%
Bolsonaro 35% vs Luciano Huck 32%
Bolsonaro 37% vs João Doria 30%

Interesting to notice that Bolsonaro vote intention goes up as the more left-wing his opponent is, but so does the percentage of the opponent. Lula performs the best with 42%, then Ciro with 38%, centrist Luciano Huck with 32% and then finally the two more “right-wing” options Doria and Moro have only 30%.

More polarization leads to increased turnout from both sides, I guess. Notice how in a Lula vs Bolsonaro contest there’s only 20% of people who didn’t make up their mind yet or would nullify/not vote. In a Bolsonaro vs Moro match up that % doubles up to 40% because that’s basically an “eh whatever” election, especially to people on the left, who would abstain. But also to people on the right who like both and would be in doubt.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on April 05, 2021, 07:05:10 PM
The same poll asked Brazilians about their approval of the Bolsonaro administration:

Disapprove: 60% (+4)
Approve: 33% (-5)

Only 7% of people don’t have a formed opinion about the government. Net of approval is -27%, the lowest point in the Bolsonaro administration, surpassing the previous one from June 2020 of -25%:

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The curve totally matches the chronology of the emergency checks given to the poor because of the pandemic, starting in June 2020 and ending in December 2020. You can notice Bolsonaro approval becoming better during that period.

But since then, it’s only going down.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on April 06, 2021, 03:21:48 PM
Bolsonaro out of the runoff in 2022 is not impossible anymore. If the left and the non-Bolsonaro right had only one candidate each one, both could go to the runoff.

No surprie Bolsonaro still doing well. In the polls that take place many months before the election, the most known candidates poll better, so, incumbent presidents poll better before the campaign starts. Dilma Rousseff defeated Aécio Neves in the runoff in 2014 by a very narrow margin, but in the polls that took place in 2013 and in early 2014, Dilma had comfortable margins.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on April 09, 2021, 12:24:32 PM
I wonder if there will be any major states realignment in 2022.

Pre-Lula, you could say Rio de Janeiro + Rio Grande do Sul were the most left-wing states. Because of their history and generally being the more progressive states.

After Lula was elected, there were some shifts. The Northeast region, which has lowest development index of Brazil and was once perceived as more conservative, became a major PT stronghold and was decisive in giving the party 4 consecutive victories. Elections became more class oriented, with lower income groups voting for PT and higher income ones for PSDB.

During Lula years you basically had the Northeast + Majority of the North + Minas Gerais and Rio de Janeiro voting for the left. While the Midwest + South + Roraima and Rondônia + São Paulo loyally voting for the right (PSDB). Places where agrobusiness also has more influence tends to vote for the right.

Now with Bolsonaro things may shift a bit. I think there’s significant rejection against him coming from São Paulo since he got elected. Not sure if it has something to do with him antagonizing the state or just that São Paulo naturally tends to dislike more populist candidates. But a recent poll showed that Lula and Bolsonaro are tied in the state (!!!) and it’s a state in which Bolsonaro had like 67% in 2018.

São Paulo historically votes to the right of Rio de Janeiro since redemocratization. But in 2018 they pretty much were aligned with similar Bolsonaro percentages, although that was more of an evidence of Rio’s hard turn to the right with Bolsonaro than any shift to the left of São Paulo.

However, I think there’s a chance that in 2022 we could see São Paulo voting to the left of Rio. Too early to tell and one poll is not enough. But I do get the vibe Bolsonaro is crumbling faster there than in Rio.

Also, I think Amazonas may stay as a Bolsonaro state, even though they voted for PT with Lula and Dilma. They were one of the places with the strongest anti-lockdown protests coming from the population.

Those are currently my predictions for 2022:

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And just for comparison, those were the Bolsonaro vs Haddad results in 2018:

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Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: LM Brazilian Citizen on April 14, 2021, 07:26:27 PM
Poder Data poll:

1st round

Luís Inácio Lula da Silva - Lula (Worker's Party - PT - left-wing)

34%

Jair Bolsonaro (no party - far-right)

31%

Ciro Gomes (Democratic Labor Party - PDT - center-left to left-wing)

6%

Luciano Huck (no party - center to center-right)

6%

João Amoedo (New Party - NOVO - center-right to right-wing)

5%

João Doria (Brazilian Social Democracy Party - PSDB - center-left, center, center-right)

4%

Sérgio Moro (no party - center-right)

3%

Luiz Henrique Mandetta (Democrats - DEM - center-right)

2%

Blank/null

7%

Don't know

2%

https://static.poder360.com.br/2021/04/pd-intencao-presidente-14-abr-2021-1.png


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: LM Brazilian Citizen on April 14, 2021, 07:30:27 PM
Poder Data 2nd round

Bolsonaro (no party) 34% vs. Lula (PT) 52%

Bolsonaro (no party) 35% vs. Huck (no party) 48%

Bolsonaro (no party) 38% vs. Ciro (PDT) 38%

Bolsonaro (no party) 38% vs. Doria (PSDB) 37%

Bolsonaro (no party) 38% vs. Moro (no party) 37%

https://static.poder360.com.br/2021/04/pd-intencao-presidente-14-abr-2021-9.png


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on April 15, 2021, 05:48:28 AM
It will go lower (hopefully)


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on April 15, 2021, 10:45:01 AM
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Skeptical about this poll as it shows Lula winning in ALL regions and it’s still hard for me to see the Midwest and South go that strongly for him. The Midwest numbers especially, so don’t buy them. Lots of things are weird.

This poll also shows Lula winning in all demographics except MALE one and the HIGHEST INCOME one. Which is also is hard to believe, these are indeed the demographics I imagine going harder for Bolsonaro but I doubt it’s the ONLY ones.

I wonder why Female voters would favor Lula 61% vs 23% out of nowhere. It’s a more favorable margin than the Northeast one for Lula.

Previous poll from SAME institute showed the youngest being the most pro-Bolsonaro and now they’re the most pro-Lula. Doesn’t make sense.

But maybe Lula suddenly just got tons of hype after the Supreme Court decision. We need numbers from other institutes to confirm or discredit this trend.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on April 15, 2021, 04:00:48 PM
I believe in the full numbers because the other institutes are showing similar numbers.

But the numbers of the sub-groups are really very strange in Poder Data Polls. Maybe, the cause is the bias of small samples.

There is a gender gap, all the polls show it, Bolsonaro has higher approval rates in the group of men (shame to be man). But this gap showed by Poder Data is too high. Besides, Lula usually had more votes in the group of male voters too. Even in 2010, Dilma Rousseff performed better in the group of male voters than in the group of female voters (a surprise for observers from other countries, a left-wing woman had more male voters). Only in 2014 and 2018, PT performed better in the group of female voters. I believe that if Lula decides to be the candidate in 2022, he will perform better in the group of women, but the gap won't be the one Poder Data is showing.

Yes, sometimes Bolsonaro is more popular in the group of young, sometimes in the group of old people, sometimes in the group of the poor, sometimes in the group of rich. Probably, biased small samples.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on April 15, 2021, 06:29:15 PM
Supreme Court decided (8 vs 3 votes) that Moro's sentence against Lula was not valid. Now, it is almost sure that Lula will be allowed to run.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on April 15, 2021, 08:23:33 PM
We can’t handle things as they are until October 2022 though.

Institutions better get rid of him at least in this year. He has given MULTIPLE reasons for impeachment. Didn’t these people impeach Dilma based on the argument of “creative accountings”?

I know impeachment is a political trial and has nothing to do with fairness, but c’mon. Politically get his ass out before the destruction is completely irreversible.

The installment of the Covid parliamentary comittee of investigation is a start, I guess. But it had to be focused on the federal government only, I fear those sold-outs in congress won’t do anything.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on April 19, 2021, 03:31:20 PM
President of PSDB said that Tasso Jereissati can be the party's candidate in 2022. He was governor and senator of Ceará for a long time. He used to be Ciro Gomes's ally (maybe he is still now).
Until last week, Jereissati was not mentioned. PSDB most mentioned names were João Dória and Eduardo Leite. The party could also support Luciano Huck or a DEM candidate.
Jereissati is a member of PSDB since this party was founded in 1988. He is on the left of the average of the new party members, but it is not very hard.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on April 19, 2021, 04:58:42 PM
Is Bolsonaro giving up? I’m starting to think he doesn’t even care at this point by the consistency of saying nonsense stuff.

Today he compared Lula with Jesus Christ from the Bible (???) and said that social programs for the poor from him are like when Jesus miraculously multiplied bread and then people went after him asking for more.


I think that is supposed to paint both Lula and Jesus as communists? Which is confusing because that association sounds like something that can make Lula be more positively seen by religious people who voted for Bolsonaro. I don’t understand.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Mike88 on April 19, 2021, 05:55:21 PM
Nor does he understands what he's saying.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on April 23, 2021, 09:48:31 AM
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Exame poll

1st round:

Lula (PT) 34%
Bolsonaro (No party) 33%
Ciro Gomes (PDT) 9%
Luciano Huck (No party) 6%
João Doria (PSDB) 4%
João Amoedo (NOVO) 3%
Henrique Mandetta (DEM) 3%
Danilo Gentili (No party) 2%
Undecided 5%
Blank/Null 4%

Runoff scenarios:

Lula 40% vs Bolsonaro 38%
Bolsonaro 44% vs Ciro Gomes 34%
Bolsonaro 40% vs Luciano Huck 38%
Bolsonaro 46% vs João Doria 29%
Bolsonaro 45% vs Eduardo Leite 22% (Leite is an alternative to Doria to run as the PSDB candidate)
Bolsonaro 45% vs Sérgio Moro 31%
Bolsonaro 42% vs Henrique Mandetta 23%
Lula 42% vs Ciro Gomes 36%


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on April 23, 2021, 10:44:09 AM
Better for Bolsonaro than previous recent polls?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on April 23, 2021, 10:57:50 AM
Better for Bolsonaro than previous recent polls?

Different polling institutes. You can only compare it to the previous EXAME poll and Bolsonaro actually lost intention of vote compared to the previous poll, in which he was the leading candidate and won the runoff scenario against everyone.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on April 23, 2021, 03:09:31 PM
Just one day after the climate summit in which he adopted a different tone in regards the protection of the environment, Bolsonaro has made cuts in investimentos destined to the environment  >:-P

Biden has classified the Bolsonaro announcements as “encouraging news”. These people will simply pretend to buy that Bolsonaro changed his stances because of the new rhetoric while his actions keep stimulating the destruction of the forests and Indigenous communities.

The big talk is all just for the show and virtue-signaling, not for the good of the environment. From both leaderships. Real change of actions should be the focus, not more friendly speech rhetoric.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on April 23, 2021, 05:45:22 PM
Usually, there is the census in every year in which the end is 0. The 2020 census was delayed to 2021 because of the pandemic. Now, it was announced that the census will take place in 2022, due to the budget cuts in 2021.
There was delay of the census in 2 administrations: Collor and Bolsonaro


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on April 24, 2021, 09:18:23 AM
Levy Fidelix, presidential candidate many times, passed away. He was 69. He used to have less than 1% in every election. His main proposal used to be the building of elevated trains in big cities. Fidelix was a member of PRTB, the same party of the vice president Hamilton Mourão.
In a presidencial debate in 2014, he said that he disliked gays because the organ used for defecation is not useful for reproduction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NPea2dyaEA


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on April 24, 2021, 09:28:52 AM
Bolsonaro is declining. He has 1/3 in the polls because there are still 17 months to the election and, of course, more people know the incumbent and the ex-president. When a non-Bolsonaro right-wing candidate starts the campaign in August 2022, he/she can increase, and there is the possibility of Bolsonaro not going to the runoff.
However, we should not consider he is dead. Most of the >60 population has already received the 1st dose of the vaccine. By the end of April, all the >60 population will have already received the 1st dose. By the end of May, all the >60 population will haver already received the 2nd dose. So, in the late June, the number of people going to hospitals will strongly decline. Of course <60 people need hospitals too, not 100% of the >60 received the vaccines, the efficacy is not 100%. But, anyway, in the second semester of 2021, the pandemic will not be the most important issue of the country anymore. Bolsonaro's administration is a full disaster in all issues, not only the pandemic: economy, environment, international relations, human rights, education... But most of the oppostion's speech is still focused in the pandemic. In the 2nd semester, the opposition will need to change the topic.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on April 24, 2021, 05:18:22 PM
I just hope the liberal sectors of left aren’t dumb enough and don’t sabotage Lula by pushing excessive focus into social issues when that’s what gave Bolsonaro strength in 2018 alongside the anticorruption populism.

Just push the obvious message that the country and Brazilians were much better during Lula years and that now everyone is damned with no opportunities. Economic power has decreased a lot. It’s an easy win that hopefully they cannot destroy.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on April 27, 2021, 05:22:01 PM
Brazil Senate opens pandemic probe, adding to pressure on Bolsonaro

BRASILIA (Reuters) - A Senate inquiry into the Brazilian government’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic kicked off on Tuesday, with lawmakers launching what may be a major headache for President Jair Bolsonaro ahead of next year’s election.
Nearly 400,000 people have died from COVID-19 in Brazil, the second-highest death toll in the world after the United States. Bolsonaro, a far-right former army captain, has drawn harsh criticism due to his long-running efforts to minimize the dangers of the virus, shun masks and push unproven remedies.

The inquiry will be overseen by Senator Renan Calheiros, a veteran lawmaker and Bolsonaro critic responsible for the final report. Procedural decisions will fall to Senator Omar Aziz, from the hard-hit state of Amazonas, as committee president and Senate opposition leader Randolfe Rodrigues as vice president.

The probe is expected to focus on the government’s delays in securing vaccines, including the details of drawn-out negotiations with foreign drugmakers, and missteps in Amazonas, where an infectious new variant sprung up late last year.

Beyond the new facts uncovered, the inquiry is expected to generate a political spectacle, with lawmakers pinning Bolsonaro on the ropes ahead of next year’s fraught presidential election, where he is almost certain to seek re-election.

Although the probe could add to calls for impeachment of Bolsonaro, experts say that is an unlikely outcome. Instead, they suggested the government could deflect blame toward former Health Minister Eduardo Pazuello, who oversaw the chaos in Amazonas and has been criticized for slow vaccine negotiations.

Bolsonaro’s early efforts to undermine the probe reflect its potential to cause him damage. He and his allies strove to have Calheiros removed from leading the inquiry, alleging he could not be impartial as his son is the governor of Alagoas state, and the inquiry will probe federal funding of state programs.

Carla Zambelli, a lower house lawmaker and Bolsonaro ally, convinced a court to block Calheiros on Monday night, but the decision was later reversed by another federal court.

On Tuesday, Calheiros said he would act impartially and that the probe would be “deep, technical, focused on its objectives and depoliticized.”

“The country has a right to know who contributed to the thousands of deaths, and they should be punished,” he added.

He said he had proposed calling for testimony from current Health Minister Marcelo Queiroga, as well as his predecessors during the pandemic, including Pazuello.

https://www.reuters.com/article/instant-article/idUSL1N2MK21V




Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on April 27, 2021, 05:28:58 PM
Anvisa (the brazilian FDA) denied permission to the russian vaccine Sputnik V. According to Anvisa, the Institute Gamaleya didn't provide enough documents showing the evidence of the efficacy.
Since it was found that Trump administration advised Latin American governments not to purchase Sputnik V, there was the suspicion that this decision was influenced by politics. 60 countries have allowed the use of Sputnik V. However, the report considering that the documents provided by Gamaleya were not enough were written by the scientists who are employed at Anvisa much time before Bolsonaro became the president of Brazil. Even opponents of Bolsonaro considered that the decision of Anvisa was supported by scientific facts (I don't have opinion about it yet).
Until now, Brazil is using only Coronavac and Oxford AstraZeneca. Some Pfizer doses will arrive in June.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on April 27, 2021, 08:18:09 PM
My opinion about these findings about Sputnik vaccine is that either the Brazilian institute found real evidence about its unsafety (which assuming is the case and I don’t doubt it, has global repercussions as many other countries like Argentina started using it) OR it’s a political decision in order to block that particular vaccine here and prevent Northeastern governors (who started a deal with Russian government) to get very ahead in the vaccination in their states, taking away political points from Bolsonaro.

Both theories are pretty valid IMO


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: LM Brazilian Citizen on April 28, 2021, 07:33:23 PM
Bolsonaro's government approval Poder Data poll:

Approve: 35%

Disapprove: 57%

Don't know: 8%

https://static.poder360.com.br/2021/04/pd-bolsonaro-drive-28-abr-2021-4.png

Bolsonaro's approval has not going well since the beginning of March, with the explosion of cases and deaths of Covid, because Bolsonaro has denied 11 vaccine orders since the beginning of the pandemic, one of them denying 70 million doses of the Pfizer/Biontech vaccine, added to the military crisis at the end of March, and now with opening of the Senate inquiry into misuse of resources in the pandemic, added to the denialist action in relation to the disease through the criminal government of Jair Bolsonaro and his ministers.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: LM Brazilian Citizen on April 28, 2021, 08:00:11 PM
Bolsonaro´s approval of his Presidency, Poder Data poll:

Excelent/good: 26%

Regular: 19%

Bad/Terrible: 51%

Don't know: 4%

https://static.poder360.com.br/2021/04/pd-bolsonaro-drive-28-abr-2021-1.png

Bolsonaro's government approval - stratification Poder Data poll:

https://static.poder360.com.br/2021/04/pd-bolsonaro-drive-28-abr-2021-4.png

Evaluation of the Bolsonaro's government  - stratification Poder Data poll:

https://static.poder360.com.br/2021/04/pd-bolsonaro-drive-28-abr-2021-2.png

There's a difference between the Bolsonaro's government's approval numbers and his personal approval as President. Some Brazilians tend to hold him more responsible than other members of his government, saving people like Economy minister Paulo Guedes.

There's also a discrepancy between the numebers in few Brazilian geographic regions: especially in the Centro-Oeste region (Midwest region), a region of many wealthy farmers, with certain similarities between American states like Texas and the Great Plains Region in the north-central of the US, with their rural population very loyal to Bolsonaro and the conservatism, with high rejection numbers. The other is the South Region, which gave Bolsonaro 70% of the votes in the 2nd round in 2018,with a much higher rejection rate against Bolsonaro in the second survey, which shows that Brazilian surveys are not always reliable.



Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on April 29, 2021, 03:39:13 PM
As I mentioned, I trust in the full results of Poder Data polls, but not in the sub-groups. Maybe, there is the small sample bias. The approval rates change a lot according to income groups from one survey to another. Besides, only Poder Data shows low approval rate for Bolsonaro in the Midwest. Other polls show that the Midwest is the region where the approval rate is the highest one.
The Midwest region is the most important region of the agrobusiness.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on May 10, 2021, 08:05:03 PM
1st round poll:

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Runoff scenarios polls:

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This happened in Rio de Janeiro this week:


People from the other Brazilian cities are probably correct to be scared of my Rio. This is basically death penalty (illegal) being given and without trials.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: SnowLabrador on May 10, 2021, 08:08:39 PM
I do believe Bolsonaro will be remain in office after the election in 2022. From what I understand, the military is 100% behind him in the event he refuses to leave. But autocrats tend not to lose elections, so he'll probably win regardless; our luck sucks.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on May 12, 2021, 04:47:46 PM
New DataFolha poll

DataFolha is the most common pollster alongside IBOPE during Brazilian election.

1st round poll:

Lula 41%
Bolsonaro 23%
Sérgio Moro 7%
Ciro Gomes 6%
Luciano Huck 4%
João Doria 3%
Henrique Mandetta 2%
João Amoedo 2%

Runoff simulations:

Lula 55% vs Bolsonaro 32%
Lula 53% vs Sérgio Moro 33%
Lula 57% vs João Doria 21%
Ciro Gomes 48% vs Bolsonaro 36%
João Doria 40% vs Bolsonaro 39%

Rejection rates (% who say they wouldn’t vote for that candidate):

Bolsonaro 54%
Lula 36%
João Doria 30%
Luciano Huck 29%
Sérgio Moro 26%
Ciro Gomes 24%

These results actually make me want to vote for Ciro more in the hopes someone in the 3rd path takes Bolsonaro out from the runoff lol.

That said, these results sound optimistic while the XP poll pessimistic. XP tends to overestimate the right and DataFolha overestimated the left in 2020 mayoral elections.

If I had to guess, reality is probably something in between. I would think Lula is definitely 1st, but not on an almost +20% lead in the 1st round. Something like Lula in the middle 30s percentage and Bolsonaro in the high 20s percentage is more likely. With Lula winning runoff with a similar margin that Bolsonaro won in 2018.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on May 12, 2021, 05:09:02 PM
Demographic groups that favor each candidate the most:

LULA:

- People who support Social Isolation measures during the pandemic: 58%
- People from the Northeast region: 56%
- Low education (Finished middle school): 51%
- Income less than two minimum wages per month: 47%

BOLSONARO:
- People who are normally living their regular lives during the pandemic: 36%
- Income between 5 and 10 minimum wages: 30%
- Men: 29%
- People from the South, Center-West or North regions: 28%


Interesting result that led me to believe this is overestimating the left a bit, even if I think Lula has lots of significant support in that demographic (way more than average leftist):

Evangelicals
Lula 35% vs Bolsonaro 34%

Ciro Gomes performs in his best among the people who finished university (11%) and among the richest (13%).

João Doria clearly is the weakest candidate despite the vaccine success, he hasn’t been able to translate that into vote intention.

Luciano Huck and Sergio Moro aren’t going to run and it’s embarrassing that these institutes keep pushing them as likely options.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: vitoNova on May 13, 2021, 11:58:07 AM
Damn. The global experimentation with populist nationalism is coming to an end most ricki-tik.

Thank you, China.

Thank you, Chinese lab virus.

All Hail the People's Republic!

All Hail Xi Jingping!!!!!


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on May 13, 2021, 01:24:41 PM
DataFolha also questioned Brazilians about their opinion about the Bolsonaro government:

Great/Good: 24% (-6)
Regular: 30% (+6)
Bad/Awful: 45% (+1)
No opinion: 1% (-1)


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on May 13, 2021, 03:11:57 PM
Unlike the previous Datafolha polls, this poll was conducted by interviewing people at the streets and not by phone. Offline Datafolha polls are more reliable and closer to polls from other institutes made by phone. Datafolha polls made by phone used to overestimate Bolsonaro's approval rate.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on May 13, 2021, 03:46:11 PM
Details of Datafolha Poll

Total: Lula 41%, Bolsonaro 23%, Moro 7%, Ciro Gomes 6%, other 11%

Gender
Men: Lula 42%, Bolsonaro 29%, Moro 6%, Ciro Gomes 5%, other 8%
Women: Lula 40%, Bolsonaro 19%, Moro 8%, Ciro Gomes 6%, other 11%

Age
16-24: Lula 44%, Bolsonaro 18%, Moro 6%, Ciro Gomes 8%, other 14%
25-34: Lula 40%, Bolsonaro 24%, Moro 4%, Ciro Gomes 7%, other 11%
35-44: Lula 38%, Bolsonaro 26%, Moro 8%, Ciro Gomes 5%, other 9%
45-59: Lula 43%, Bolsonaro 23%, Moro 7%, Ciro Gomes 4%, other 11%
60-: Lula 39%, Bolsonaro 24%, Moro 9%, Ciro Gomes 5%, other 11%

School
Elementary: Lula 51%, Bolsonaro 20%, Moro 4%, Ciro Gomes 2%, other 9%
High School: Lula 39%, Bolsonaro 26%, Moro 8%, Ciro Gomes 6%, other 10%
College: Lula 30%, Bolsonaro 22%, Moro 10%, Ciro Gomes 11%, other 15%

Monthy Household Income
- US$400: Lula 47%, Bolsonaro 20%, Moro 6%, Ciro Gomes 5%, other 8%
US$400-US$1000: Lula 34%, Bolsonaro 29%, Moro 9%, Ciro Gomes 6%, other 12%
US$1000-US$2000: Lula 26%, Bolsonaro 30%, Moro 6%, Ciro Gomes 10%, other 14%
US$2000-: Lula 18%, Bolsonaro 24%, Moro 10%, Ciro Gomes 13%, other 22%

Region
Southeast: Lula 36%, Bolsonaro 23%, Moro 7%, Ciro Gomes 7%, other 12%
South: Lula 36%, Bolsonaro 28%, Moro 7%, Ciro Gomes 3%, other 12%
Northeast: Lula 56%, Bolsonaro 18%, Moro 3%, Ciro Gomes 6%, other 6%
Center-West/North: Lula 35%, Bolsonaro 28%, Moro 12%, Ciro Gomes 4%, other 9%

Type of municipality
Metro area: Lula 38%, Bolsonaro 24%, Moro 8%, Ciro Gomes 6%, other 12%
Countryside: Lula 43%, Bolsonaro 23%, Moro 7%, Ciro Gomes 5%, other 10%

Race
Brown: Lula 40%, Bolsonaro 25%, Moro 8%, Ciro Gomes 5%, other 10%
White: Lula 32%, Bolsonaro 27%, Moro 8%, Ciro Gomes 7%, other 13%
Black: Lula 53%, Bolsonaro 14%, Moro 5%, Ciro Gomes 4%, other 9%

Religion
Catholic: Lula 46%, Bolsonaro 19%, Moro 8%, Ciro Gomes 6%, other 10%
Evangelic: Lula 35%, Bolsonaro 34%, Moro 6%, Ciro Gomes 4%, other 11%

other = Huck + Doria + Mandetta + Amoedo


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on May 13, 2021, 06:09:14 PM
Lol at both Lula and Bolsonaro having better percentages with men than with women.

Kinda expected though? Lula and the PT always performed better with men, while women tended to favor more the center-right PSDB.

Then after PSDB fall and the Bolsonaro rise, things shifted in 2018. Women favored Haddad while men voted for Bolsonaro, as Haddad and the left became the more “boring” option.

I think it’s safe to say that men are more inclined to personalism and passionate rhetoric while women are kinda more centrists, against radical change.

Brazilian men are way more emotional and vote for the candidate they love, women are more controlled and think more before choosing someone.

So not a surprise that the gender gap is larger with Bolsonaro than with Lula, as Lula this time is the more “logical” and pragmatic option between the two.

Men only favor Lula more than Women by +2 (42% with Men, 40% with Women).

With Bolsonaro, men like him more by +10 (29% Men, 19% Women).

Female voters are more likely to look outside the box for a 3rd option, as they’re more reflexive of their vote. Men are more impulsive and go with the flow. Unlike Lula and Bolsonaro, every other candidate does better with women in comparison with men.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on May 14, 2021, 06:42:42 PM
Yeah.
Always when Lula ran for president, between 1989 and 2006, he had more male vote than female vote. Even in 2010, his candidate Dilma Rousseff had more male vote than female vote. It is a shock for people from other countries: a left-wing woman performed better in the group of men than in the group of women. In 2014, however, Dilma had more female voters. One of the motives is that Aécio Neves had sexist attitudes. In 2018, Haddad performed much better in the group of women. Other motive of the change was the feminist wave in Latin America, including Brazil, in the 2010s.
Lula has a group of low income elementary school male voters who don't vote for PT for other offices. In many poor municipalities in the North and Northeast in which Lula was >80% in 2006, there is no PT vereador.

Brazilian left has a problem: no leader other than Lula is able to have high popularity in the group of voters who don't have a college degree. Other PT politicians, and also PSOL, PCdoB and PDT politicians fail to have popularity in the group of voters who don't have college degree. Lula, on the other side, performs much better in the group of voters who have only elementary school.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: gerritcole on May 15, 2021, 11:58:09 AM
I don’t comment cause I don’t have sh**t to say but I appreciate both of y’all for keeping me up to date with Brazil


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: SnowLabrador on May 15, 2021, 08:26:29 PM
I still firmly believe Bolsonaro will win re-election in 2022. He wasn't expected to win in 2018 and he did. Besides, the military is entirely behind him.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on May 15, 2021, 09:02:58 PM
I don’t comment cause I don’t have sh**t to say but I appreciate both of y’all for keeping me up to date with Brazil

You’re welcome, if you have any questions feel free to ask.

I still firmly believe Bolsonaro will win re-election in 2022. He wasn't expected to win in 2018 and he did. Besides, the military is entirely behind him.

He has chances but not because of the military.

The military is divided. On one hand, Bolsonaro gives them tons of representation in his government and prioritized them in terms of federal budget. He did that because he WISHES that can buy him their unconditional support. So that makes them comfortable with him.

On the other hand, by being inside his government they associate their images with his image. That includes all the anti-science BS, the antivaxx craziness, the racism and authoritarianism, etc. Which can be damaging to their reputation as a serious institution, since Bolsonaro is not a serious person.

The Brazilian military came out post-dictatorship very hated, making them pursue a more clean image. Part of that includes investment on scientific projects for example, in order to make them look like specialists on some areas. Which was helpful for them to create a new image of serious and respectable institution.

Bolsonaro is destroying all that, I mean, the participation of military actors inside the Bolsonaro government. Older upper active members specifically, are very uncomfortable with that because not only it’s making more people go back to seeing them in a similar way from the past, but it’s also giving them this new image of incompetence and stupidity. The health minister was a member of the military and he was a failure, being roasted by the media and different sectors of society.

So they’re in this position of “We don’t like how Bolsonaro is making we look super-dumb but getting privileges is cool”. They will keep being parasites inside the Bolsonaro government but so far it’s unlikely they are willing to follow him in everything he does considering his image is toxic and doesn’t give them credibility.

Actually, Bolsonaro already tried to have his coup by planning to close the Supreme Court behind doors but the main military leaders refused to do so. Which made him pissed, as he wants them to be HIS military, not the military of the country. That happened at the start of the pandemic, I think May 2020.

So I think at least so far it’s unlikely that the military is willing to completely sacrifice themselves for scum like Bolsonaro. They are more independent actors than that, if they wanted a coup they most certainly would get rid of Bolsonaro as well so that they could rule without his presence destroying their reputation and credibility.

Regarding elections, there isn’t much they can or even want to do. Bolsonaro is getting crazy with the prospects of losing election so he is pushing for congress to abolish electronic voting and to go back to paper voting, since paper vote is less safe and gives him opportunities to rig.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on May 16, 2021, 05:48:34 AM
I still firmly believe Bolsonaro will win re-election in 2022. He wasn't expected to win in 2018 and he did. Besides, the military is entirely behind him.

Is this actually true?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on May 16, 2021, 08:11:04 AM
Bolsonaro WAS expected to win in 2018. During all 2017 and 2018, he was leading the polls in which Lula was not included.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: LM Brazilian Citizen on May 16, 2021, 08:45:23 AM
On the other hand, Bolsonaro's victory was only guaranteed with the attack he suffered on September 6th 2018 in the muncipality of Juiz de Fora, in the state of Minas Gerais, when a former member of the Brazilian party PSOL (Socialism and Liberty Party) called Adélio Bispo de Oliveira stabbed Bolsonaro, which prevented him from appearing on television debates among presidential candidates and allowed to win the Worker's Party candidate, Fernando Haddad (who suceeded Lula with his arrest and loss of political rights), in the second round, in October 28, 2018, with 55,13% of valid votes.



Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: RodPresident on May 16, 2021, 08:55:18 AM
Sao Paulo's mayor Bruno Covas (PSDB), 41, died today due a gastric cancer. He'll replaced by Ricardo Nunes (PMDB).


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on May 16, 2021, 02:32:58 PM
Sao Paulo's mayor Bruno Covas (PSDB), 41, died today due a gastric cancer. He'll replaced by Ricardo Nunes (PMDB).

Shame. He had a 15 year old son apparently.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Flyersfan232 on May 17, 2021, 01:06:21 PM
I don’t comment cause I don’t have sh**t to say but I appreciate both of y’all for keeping me up to date with Brazil

You’re welcome, if you have any questions feel free to ask.

I still firmly believe Bolsonaro will win re-election in 2022. He wasn't expected to win in 2018 and he did. Besides, the military is entirely behind him.

He has chances but not because of the military.

The military is divided. On one hand, Bolsonaro gives them tons of representation in his government and prioritized them in terms of federal budget. He did that because he WISHES that can buy him their unconditional support. So that makes them comfortable with him.

On the other hand, by being inside his government they associate their images with his image. That includes all the anti-science BS, the antivaxx craziness, the racism and authoritarianism, etc. Which can be damaging to their reputation as a serious institution, since Bolsonaro is not a serious person.

The Brazilian military came out post-dictatorship very hated, making them pursue a more clean image. Part of that includes investment on scientific projects for example, in order to make them look like specialists on some areas. Which was helpful for them to create a new image of serious and respectable institution.

Bolsonaro is destroying all that, I mean, the participation of military actors inside the Bolsonaro government. Older upper active members specifically, are very uncomfortable with that because not only it’s making more people go back to seeing them in a similar way from the past, but it’s also giving them this new image of incompetence and stupidity. The health minister was a member of the military and he was a failure, being roasted by the media and different sectors of society.

So they’re in this position of “We don’t like how Bolsonaro is making we look super-dumb but getting privileges is cool”. They will keep being parasites inside the Bolsonaro government but so far it’s unlikely they are willing to follow him in everything he does considering his image is toxic and doesn’t give them credibility.

Actually, Bolsonaro already tried to have his coup by planning to close the Supreme Court behind doors but the main military leaders refused to do so. Which made him pissed, as he wants them to be HIS military, not the military of the country. That happened at the start of the pandemic, I think May 2020.

So I think at least so far it’s unlikely that the military is willing to completely sacrifice themselves for scum like Bolsonaro. They are more independent actors than that, if they wanted a coup they most certainly would get rid of Bolsonaro as well so that they could rule without his presence destroying their reputation and credibility.

Regarding elections, there isn’t much they can or even want to do. Bolsonaro is getting crazy with the prospects of losing election so he is pushing for congress to abolish electronic voting and to go back to paper voting, since paper vote is less safe and gives him opportunities to rig.
The Supreme Court in Brazil is very corrupt


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on May 17, 2021, 01:45:47 PM
The Supreme Court in Brazil is very corrupt

Are they? That’s news to me. I’m very concerned now.

I think US politicians from both parties are very corrupt as well but there isn’t a system strong enough to supervise them and discover all the hidden dirt. I think democracy should completely end in the US for its well-being and best interests because clearly it’s a system that will always put crooks in the likes of Hillary and Trump into the spotlight, as it’s all an excuse for secret hidden powers to rig everything from the start.

Hopefully together we can all change this disgusting dirt ruling over the world! I’m with you.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: GALeftist on May 20, 2021, 10:33:45 AM
Lula has just confirmed that he will be a candidate for President!


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on May 20, 2021, 06:46:55 PM
Yesterday and today, former health minister general Eduardo Pazuello was interrogated by the senators in the pandemic inquiry. On Tuesday, former ministry pf foreign affairs Ernesto Araújo was interrogated. Since both former minnisters are still Bolsonaro's allies, their testimonials didn't hurt the president.

The testimonials from the director of Pfizer in Brazil and from former minister of health Henrique Mandetta caused bigger damage to Bolsonaro.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on May 20, 2021, 08:19:26 PM
Lula has just confirmed that he will be a candidate for President!

Lula 2002 propaganda:





Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on May 21, 2021, 08:29:32 AM
Lula has just confirmed that he will be a candidate for President!

My king is alive!


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: LM Brazilian Citizen on May 21, 2021, 11:06:09 AM
EXAME IDEIA 2022 poll:

1st round:

spontaneous poll (without saying the names of the candidates):

Lula (Worker's Party - PT)  19%
Jair Bolsonaro (no party) 17%
Ciro Gomes (Democratic Labour Party - PDT)  4%
Sérgio Moro (no party) 2%
João Doria (Brazilian Social Democracy Party - PSDB) 2%
Luciano Huck (no party) 1%
Luiz Henrique Mandetta (Democrats - DEM) 0,5%
Eduardo Leite (Brazilian Social Democracy Party - PSDB) 0,3%
Tasso Jereissati (Brazilian Social Democracy Party - PSDB) 0,3%
Other 0,3%
Don't know: 46%
Nobody/blank/null: 7%

2st round scenarios:
with Bolsonaro
spontaneous poll:
Bolsonaro 37% vs. Lula 45%
Bolsonaro 45% vs. Huck 39%
Bolsonaro 40% vs. Ciro Gomes 37%
Bolsonaro 40% vs. Sérgio Moro 36%
Bolsonaro 46% vs. João Doria 33%
Bolsonaro 44% vs. Tasso Jereissati 30%
Bolsonaro 44% vs. Eduardo Leite 29%
Bolsonaro 46% vs. João Amoêdo 26%
Bolsonaro 47% vs. Danilo Gentili 23%

with Lula (without Bolsonaro)
Lula 44% vs. Huck 40%
Lula 43% vs. Moro 40%
Lula 43% vs. Ciro Gomes 35%
Lula 47% vs. Eduardo Leite 30%
Lula 47% vs. Tasso Jereissati  30%
Lula 45% vs. João Doria 28%
Lula 46% vs. João Amoedo 19%
Lula 47% vs. Danilo Gentili 17%

In both scenarios, Lula beats all his opponents, with tougher victories against third-way candidates Sérgio Moro and Luciano Huck, who end up losing very little. On the other hand, Bolsonaro defeats all his opponents except Lula, which shows a third-way candidate still very weak.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on May 21, 2021, 12:28:56 PM
Ex-president FHC (PSDB) had a public meeting with Lula and said that if the 2022 runoff ends up being between Lula and Bolsonaro, he will easily vote for Lula.

Nice gesture after the PT and PSDB rivalry reached its peak in 2014, with Aécio Neves literally not recognizing his loss. I always respected PSDB leaders like Serra, Alckmin and FHC, even if I don’t like them politically. But I never respected Aécio.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on May 22, 2021, 07:17:38 AM
Former presidents Fernando Henrique Cardoso and Luís Inácio Lula da Silva had a meeting. Cardoso told that if the PSDB candidate fail to reach the runoff in 2022, he will endorse Lula against Bolsonaro.

Nice to see leaders who, despite the differences, try to sit and talk against a common (and horrible) enemy.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on May 24, 2021, 05:47:09 PM

Instituto Mapa poll

Runoff:

Lula 51,4%
Bolsonaro 31,5%
Blank/Null 11,7%
Don’t Know 5,5%


1st round:

Lula (center-left) 36,8%
Bolsonaro (right) 26,8%
Sérgio Moro (right) 5,1%
Ciro Gomes (center-left) 5,0%
Luciano Huck (center) 4,5%
João Doria (center-right) 3,3%
Luiz Mandetta (center-right) 2,7%
João Amoedo (libertarian) 2,6%


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on May 29, 2021, 06:32:40 PM
In many large cities, there were demonstrations for the impeachment of Bolsonaro. They were the first big left-wing demonstrations since the beggining of the pandemic.

During these 15 months, many leaders of left-wing parties considered that it would be contradictory criticize the lack of policies related to the pandemic and call for demonstrations. Many protests during this period were made online, or with cacerolazzos at the windows of flats or using cars.

But today, the left-wing parties decided to call for the demonstrations. The risk of transmission is low in open spaces, where everybody is using mask and keeping safe distance.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: It’s so Joever on May 29, 2021, 07:30:14 PM
Definitely looks bad for Bolsonaro right now. It’s not over, but certainly hopeful.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on May 29, 2021, 08:01:30 PM
There was a police reaction of brutality in the city of Recife, in the state of Pernambuco. Even a female city council member got targeted.

International media is making this more news than Brazilian media. You would think it’s because they want to be “impartial” and want to give the same low coverage as past pro-Bolsonaro manifests, but I remember things were very different in mid-2010s with all the anti-PT hysteria and the maximum coverage they gave to a bunch of right-wingers on the streets.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on May 30, 2021, 10:29:50 AM
If Chile and Peru  up at least Brazil can save us.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on May 30, 2021, 11:07:48 AM
Brazilian media is one of the most disgraceful things I’ve seen. They’re different because they try to sell themselves as “impartial” but they’re super partisan based on what they choose to say and what they ignore.

Of the major printed newspapers, only “Folha de São Paulo” covered it with the necessary space. “O Globo” and “Estadão” gave more focus to boring stuff unrelated to yesterday, like Home Office effects on touristic cities.

On TV media, there was also little space given by Globonews and CNN Brasil. CNN is one of the most popular broadcasters between Bolsonaro supporters, not because they will openly kiss their ass, but because they will often put to debate a prepared person saying logical stuff based on data and a crazy right-winger saying conspiracy theories, acting like that is really impartial because they’re hearing two equally opposite sides.

Open TV media isn’t better. Globo naturally underplayed it as well, giving it the same space they did to smaller pro-Bolsonaro protests a month ago. Record is much worse, it lied about the main reason of the protests and just said they were organized to demand a raise in the emergency checks without giving it bigger coverage.

I feel like most countries are kinda like this regardless if they’re a better or worse version. We’re all being fed with propaganda. International media is always a better tool to understand what is going in your own country than Domestic lying media who will always be responding to people above. Internationally, you don’t have these hidden country elite interests controlling so much, which is why foreigners become a better guide.

These protests were the biggest news in yesterday’s general website cover of The Guardian and Le Monde.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on May 31, 2021, 02:09:24 PM
NEWS: Bolsonaro has made a deal to join PATRIOTAS (Patriots Party) for the 2022 election.

Bolsonaro was in PSL (Social Liberal Party) but left it in November 2019, months after elected, because of internal disputes and faction conflicts he started. He has been party-less since then and had announced plans of creating his own party: Aliança pelo Brasil (ApB), but has given up because you need a minimum of public signatures in order to start a political party in Brazil and it eventually became evident last year that he wouldn’t be able to get enough signatures in time.

So now he’s opting to join an existing political party just like he had done with PSL prior to his election. The Patriot Party is a smallish party, like PSL also was, but has gained more relevance in past years after their rebrand (Before changing to Patriot, their previous name was National Ecological Party). Difference is that PSL only became far-right because Bolsonaro joined it, bringing lots of far-right elected people with him, but the party leadership wasn’t extremist, which is why conflicts started.

With Patriotas I suppose it will be different because it has been a far-right party for some time already, since their rebranding, so maybe there won’t be many conflicts between Bolsonaro and the party like there was with PSL? Will Bolsonaro even get elected in order for us to know the answer to this question? Let’s wait and see.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: President Johnson on May 31, 2021, 02:48:59 PM
Probably Lula is most likely to beat Bolsonoaro. I'd like some younger center-left politician, but Bolsonaro is a fascist and whoever stands the greatest chance should challenge him.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on May 31, 2021, 03:52:07 PM
Probably Lula is most likely to beat Bolsonoaro. I'd like some younger center-left politician, but Bolsonaro is a fascist and whoever stands the greatest chance should challenge him.

I would like to see Lula replaced by someone younger as the most important leader of the Brazilian left too. The problem is that no one other than Lula in the left is popular in the group of voters who don't have a college degree. Fernando Haddad, Ciro Gomes, Guilherme Boulos, Marcelo Freixo and Manuela dÁvila are more popular in the very educated segment of the middle class.

However, I would vote for Lula not only if the runoff is between him and Bolsonaro. I would also vote for Lula if the runoff is between him and someone from the non Bolsonaro right, like João Doria, Eduardo Leite, Tasso Jereissati and Luciano Huck.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on June 04, 2021, 04:09:32 PM
Maybe, after the disaster of Bolsonaro, the left performs better in 2022. Guilherme Boulos is leading the polls for governor of São Paulo. Marcelo Freixo is leading the polls for governor of Rio de Janeiro. Boulos and Freixo will probably be the PSOL candidates for governor of their states.
https://revistaforum.com.br/politica/boulos-aparece-em-primeiro-para-o-governo-de-sp-em-cenario-com-haddad-marcio-franca-e-skaf-diz-atlas-politico2/
https://www.brasildefato.com.br/2021/06/02/marcelo-freixo-lidera-pesquisa-de-intencao-de-voto-para-o-governo-do-rio-de-janeiro?fbclid=IwAR1LBYphOH2g3IWcIuIifIGp4IWdO6gtW7O5B-Wl-MaTe60IkRUYBA4UGHw
PSOL is divided concerning the candidate for president in 2022. The moderate and majority wing think that PSOL should endorse Lula already in the 1st round, in order to avoid the split of the left-wing vote. This split could cause a runoff between center-right and Bolsonaro (similar to France 2002). The far left wing considers that PSOL should have a candidate in the 1st round and they are considering the possibility of the very left-wing representative Glauber Braga.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on June 08, 2021, 04:26:02 PM
The 2021 Copa America (that would be 2020 Copa America) would be hosted by Argentina and Colombia. Both countries declined due to the pandemic and all the crisis related to the pandemic.

Brazil will host the tournment, as if there were no serious problems here. Most of the soccer managers ("cartolas") in Brazil are very close to Bolsonaro. The games will be played in empty stadiums, but the biggest problem is not the virus spread during the games. The biggest problem is that we should have focus in other priorities.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on June 09, 2021, 06:52:17 PM
Brazil uses electronic voting machines in every precint. The proceeding of the votes is the fastest of the countries which have >100M inhabitants. The machines have a flopy disk. They are not connected to the Internet. There is no danger of a hacker attack. It is possible to make auditing of the polls.
However, Bolsonaro and his cattle are giving alegations that these polls are not safe, that frauds might occur. Actually, the electronic machines are much safer than paper ballots. He is demading that the votes casted in the machine should be printed and that these papers should be counted in order to check if they match to the electronic result. Of course, there will be no time to add a printer in every machine until October 2022. Besides, the costs would be very high. The results of the paper count would not be equal to the electronic results in 100% of the precints because in some precints, someone could loose some pieces of paper.
The consequence of this distrust would be an excuse to Bolsonaro and his cattle create a turmoil in 2022 if he looses, like Trump did this year and Keiko Fujimori is doing now. In the US, however, the votes Trump's base didn't trust were paper votes sent by mail.

Some countries don't trust in elections without paper. The Supreme Court in Germany didn't alow electronic vote. But there was never evidence that electronic voting in Brazil was rigged. This distrust made by Bolsonaro is useful to weaken the democracy in Brazil.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: LM Brazilian Citizen on June 09, 2021, 08:42:24 PM
Poder Data 2022 poll:

1st round

Jair Bolsonaro (no party)  33%
Lula (Worker's Party - PT) 31%
Ciro Gomes (Democratic Labour Party - PDT) 10%
Luciano Huck (no party) 4%
Luiz Henrique Mandetta (Democrats - DEM) 4%
João Amoedo (New Party - NOVO) 3%
João Doria (Brazilian Social Democracy Party - PSDB) 3%
blank/null: 7%
don't know: 5%

2nd round scenarios

Bolsonaro 37% vs. Lula 48%
Bolsonaro 35% vs. Huck 45%
Bolsonaro 36% vs. Ciro 44%
Bolsonaro 39% vs. Doria 39%
Lula 45% vs. Huck 24%
Lula 42% vs. Ciro 22%


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on June 10, 2021, 04:07:00 PM
Lula's margin against Bolsonaro decreased from April to June.
The other possible candidates did better in June than they did in April.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on June 11, 2021, 12:27:20 AM
Poder Data 2022 poll:

1st round

Jair Bolsonaro (no party) 33%
Lula (Worker's Party - PT) 31%
Ciro Gomes (Democratic Labour Party - PDT) 10%
Luciano Huck (no party) 4%
Luiz Henrique Mandetta (Democrats - DEM) 4%
João Amoedo (New Party - NOVO) 3%
João Doria (Brazilian Social Democracy Party - PSDB) 3%
blank/null: 7%
don't know: 5%

2nd round scenarios

Bolsonaro 37% vs. Lula 48%
Bolsonaro 35% vs. Huck 45%
Bolsonaro 36% vs. Ciro 44%
Bolsonaro 39% vs. Doria 39%
Lula 45% vs. Huck 24%
Lula 42% vs. Ciro 22%

I always imagine how centrists from the outside see these elections lmao. Like, who they would like?

Between 3 leading candidates:

1. Lula - Was part of the pink tide in LatAm,  got jailed but then the whole process was declared biased, is one of the most known leftist leaders in the world.

2. Bolsonaro - Part of the populist right trend, loves Donald Trump, very conservative on cultural issues, scandals on the news every week.

3. Ciro - Tries to dispute the protagonism of the left and attacks Lula for being “too neoliberal” during his 00s term, especially in regards deindustrialization.

Then there is all the people I would expect centrists to like, distant from the top 3:

- Luciano Huck at 4th, a TV host that never held public office, even if he was painting himself as the most centrist option (socially progressive, economically center-right).

- Henrique Mandetta at 5th, an average and boring center-right establishment candidate that is only being considered because he stood up against Bolsonaro when he was his Health minister at the beginning of the COVID pandemic.

- João Amoedo at 6th as the Libertarian option that edgy right-wingers who are more intellectual and usually from big cities like.

- João Doria in 7th (!!!) as the PSDB candidate, the center-right party that used to be the main representative of Brazilian right before it radicalized and shifted to Bolsonaro.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on June 11, 2021, 04:57:11 PM
Marcelo Freixo was one of the most important PSOL leaders. He used to be state representative of Rio de Janeiro, and now he is a federal representative. He ran for mayor of the municipality of Rio de Janeiro in 2012 and 2016 and he was the 2nd place the two times. He never ran for governor of the state of Rio de Janeiro, because the elections for governor and for representative take place at the same time.
Today, he decided to leave PSOL and join PSB, a more moderate party. He will run for governor of Rio de Janeiro in 2022. He considered that he would not be competitive in PSOL, since far-left groups inside the party don't support broad coalitions. Probably, PT will endorse Freixo, who met Lula yesterday. Freixo's wife joined PT. Freixo will be advised by many experts and some of them are not very leftist. In economics, he will be advised by the young rising left-wing star Laura Carvalho but he will also be advised by former PSDB economist André Lara Resende. Both economists had a PhD in the New School of Social Research in NYC. In law enforcement, Freixo will be advised by former minister Raul Jungmann, who worked for Temer's administration (2016-2018).
Freixo's plan is not to have a left vs right contest, but a civilization vs barbarian contest. Probably, his opponent will be someone endorsed by Bolsonaro.

I am following the thread about Germany and I am reading about internal disputes inside the Linke. PSOL is the brazilian copy of the Linke and it is facing similar problems. Both parties don't have a single program, they are umbrellas of different left-wing organizations, and each of these organizations try to control the party.
PSOL lost 3 important members in Rio de Janeiro in the last month: former vereador Renato Cinco left PSOL because he is not considering this party left-wing enough. Marcelo Freixo and Jean Wyllys left PSOL because they are considering this party too left-wing. Jean Wyllys, who was an important federal representative, joined PT.
Despite internal disputes, Freixo didn't left PSOL because of these disputes. According to the reaction of his fellows, it is possible to conclude that there was no fight. He will keep a good relation with PSOL. But he thinks he will be more competititive in a more centrist party.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: LM Brazilian Citizen on June 11, 2021, 05:52:11 PM
XP Ipespe 2022 poll:

1st round

Spontaneous poll:

Jair Bolsonaro (no party) 24%
Lula (Worker's Party - PT) 24%
Ciro Gomes(Democratic Labour Party - PDT) 3%
Sérgio Moro (no party) 1%
João Amoêdo (New Party - NOVO) 1%
Guilherme Boulos (Socialism and Liberty Party - PSOL) 1%
João Doria (Brazilian Social Democracy Party - PSDB) 1%
Luiz Henrique Mandetta (Democrats -DEM) 0%
Fernando Haddad (Worker's Party - PT) 0%

Don't know/don't answer: 36%
Blank/null: 8%

1st round

Stimulated poll:

Lula 32%
Bolsonaro 28%
Sérgio Moro 7%
Ciro Gomes 6%
Luciano Huck 4%
Luiz Henrique Mandetta 3%
João Doria 3%
Guilherme Boulos 2%
DK/DA/None/Blank/Null: 15%

2nd round

Lula 45% vs. Bolsonaro 36%
Ciro Gomes 41% vs. Bolsonaro 37%
Sérgio Moro 32% vs. Bolsonaro 32%
Luciano Huck 34% vs. Bolsonaro 37%
Guilherme Boulos 30% vs. Bolsonaro 30%
João Doria 33% vs. Bolsonaro39%
Lula 43% vs. Sérgio Moro 35%

The XP Ipespe poll, as well as a few other Brazilian polls, is still doing polls with some names that have already abndoned their candidacies, such as former federal judge Sérgio Moro, leftist actvist Guilherme Boulos and businessman and president of the New Party (NOVO), João Amoêdo, who today declared that he will not run in 2022, unlike the Poder Data survey that I have shown yesterday.





Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P! on June 12, 2021, 01:08:54 AM


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: PSOL on June 12, 2021, 01:23:30 AM
In a post-Lula Brazil, could Flavio Dino possibly have a path to the presidency. The information I’m getting is that he’s pretty pragmatic and well-liked in office.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on June 12, 2021, 08:17:44 AM


Zema is the current governor (elected in the Bolsonaro 2018; he aligned with him) and the left actually really likes Kalil (Belo Horizonte mayor) in Minas.

It will probably be polarized between the two.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on June 12, 2021, 03:08:42 PM
If they are tied now, good news for Khalil. Of course Zema has the advantage of being incumbent, and so, 16 months before the election, more people know him. During the campaign, more people of the countryside will hear about Khalil. In Belo Horizonte, where people are ruled both by Zema and Khalil, the mayor has a big margin.

Good news for Lula he is leading against Bolsonaro in Minas Gerais. During the New Republic (1985-present), Minas Gerais is the bellwether state. All winning presidential candidates had the majority of votes in this state. The margins are usually close to the national margin. Minas Gerais is like what Ohio was until 2012.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on June 15, 2021, 07:17:28 PM
Luciano Huck and João Amoedo told that they will not run for president in 2022


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: LM Brazilian Citizen on June 17, 2021, 02:13:28 PM
Paraná Pesquisas 2022 poll:

1st round

Jair Bolsonaro (no party) 34,3%
Lula (Worker's Party - PT)32,5%
José Luiz Datena (no party) 7,5%
Ciro Gomes (Democratic Labour Party - PDT) 5,8%
João Doria (Brazilian Social Democracy Party - PSDB) 3,4%
Luiz Henrique Mandetta (Democrats - DEM) 3,2%
Simone Tebet (Brazilian Democratic Movement - MDB) 1,1%
Blanks/nulls: 8,6%
Don't know/don't answer: 3,6%

2nd round
Lula (Worker's Party - PT) 40,2%
Bolsonaro (no party) 40%



Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on June 19, 2021, 05:26:16 PM
There were very big demonstrations against Bolsonaro in Brazilian big cities
In open spaces, where everybody wear masks, the risk is low
I didn't go because the place where the demonstration was scheduled in Rio de Janeiro (Avenida Presidente Vargas) is far from my home and I would need to take the metro. Open spaces are safe, but the public transportation is not.
After everyone have the vaccine, the demonstrations will be even bigger

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/19/fresh-protests-in-brazil-against-bolsonaros-handling-of-covid-pandemic


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: SnowLabrador on June 19, 2021, 09:37:25 PM
I believe Bolsonaro will be re-elected. I know that politics in Brazil aren't the same as politics in the USA, but we live in the darkest timeline. Say bye-bye to any serious efforts to tackle climate change succeeding, or COVID ending.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on June 20, 2021, 05:05:49 AM
And I believe that dooming such as the above isn't at all helpful.

No reason at all why Lula can't triumph (without him it would be less rosy I agree)


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on June 20, 2021, 12:31:31 PM
I believe Bolsonaro will be re-elected. I know that politics in Brazil aren't the same as politics in the USA, but we live in the darkest timeline. Say bye-bye to any serious efforts to tackle climate change succeeding, or COVID ending.

The probability of his reelection is low but not zero. It is possible. All the adults will receive the vaccine shots until October 2021. Probably, the pandemic will not be the most important issue in 2022. His administration is a catastrophe, but since the output is lower than the potential output, there is some iddle capacity, and so, some growth is possible to happen in 2022. China is recovering, and so, the price of the soybean and of the sugar is increasing again, and this is good (in the short term) for the Brazilian economy.
Besides, the 200th aniversary of the Brazilian independence will take place on September 7th 2022. The first round of the election will take place on October 2nd 2022. This is an advantage for the incumbent. I learned in this forum that Geral Ford benefited from the 200th aniversary of the US in 1976. He was much behind Carter, but he could close the gap after the 4th of July.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on June 21, 2021, 06:25:43 PM
Missy is getting desperate:



But the funniest part of the video is Carla Zambelli following her leader and also taking her mask off after he does it  >_<


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: PSOL on June 21, 2021, 06:27:39 PM
So for what reason did Flavio Dino leave PCdoB?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on June 21, 2021, 06:44:41 PM
So for what reason did Flavio Dino leave PCdoB?

New rules that are being increasingly implemented will limit parties access to funding and TV propaganda time. That is stimulating smaller parties to fuse with bigger ones in order to have access to that money and TV time. New rules establish a minimum electoral requirement in order to have access to those things (like, minimum % of the vote for congress in at least a certain number of states, etc).

PCdoB will eventually fuse with PSB, the party where Dino is migrating to. Even PSOL is under risk of not meeting new rules and losing those things. The left-wing parties that don’t face risk are PT, PDT and PSB.

Freixo has even left PSOL too and joined PSB, like Flávio Dino. PSOL has an energetic base of voters but the party is kinda chaotic because of its uncompromising nature even if the politicians in it are great. PSB is becoming this neutral big tent left party with the more socialist figures like Flavio Dino and the more liberal corporate friendly ones like Tabata Amaral (who got trashed by the left for voting in favor of neoliberal reforms) while there is an ideological clash between PT and PDT (Lulismo/Petismo vs Brizolismo/Varguismo).


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on June 23, 2021, 08:48:44 PM
Good news

Ricardo Salles, the Ministry of Environment who hates the environment resigned. He was found in a scandal related to the permission of the exports of wood collected through a ilegal way in the Amazon Forest.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on June 24, 2021, 11:47:00 AM


Marcelo Freixo now being polled with his new party PSB, instead of PSOL.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on June 24, 2021, 07:04:47 PM


Marcelo Freixo now being polled with his new party PSB, instead of PSOL.

This same poll shows that Lula is leading the vote for president in Rio de Janeiro. He is polling better than Bolsonaro.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on June 24, 2021, 07:09:04 PM
In 2018, PSOL had 2.85% of the vote for the House. This is enough to have federal funding.

However, PSOL should take care to keep (or to increase this vote). The party lost Jean Wyllys and Marcelo Freixo. They need to use other stars to attract more votes. In Rio de Janeiro, Chico Alencar and Tarsício Motta should run for the House. In São Paulo, 2 representatives already attract votes: Sâmia Bonfim and Ivan Valente.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on June 25, 2021, 12:08:17 AM

Ipec is the new Ibope (alongside Datafolha, one of the most traditional Brazilian polling institutes for elections).

It’s showing a Lula win already in the 1st round, without a runoff. Thatsomething he didn’t even manage to do in the 00s, both of his two victories happened with a runoff! Only president since redemocratization to have won in 1st round was FHC in both of his terms in the 90s.

That’s impressive but it reflects how much Bolsonaro is absolutely hated by Brazilians nowadays. That polarization (which Brazilian right created!) combined with the Supreme Court clearing Lula’s name, was decisive in shifting the mood of the nation.

Bolsonaro is also about to face new problems in the future… Bad administration combined with environmental natural events resulted in a big risk of lack of energy problems, which could lead to voluntary blackouts in order to save energy, something we don’t see since late FHC 2nd term in 2001, which was his most unpopular moment!

The confusing privatization of Eletrobras also has the potential for worsening things up, leading to higher energy prices for the consumer. Even people who were defending the privatization of that company changed their discourse to a more negative opinion because congress included a bunch of unrelated stuff as conditions to the privatization (basically, multiple powerful interests wanting to assure they will have some share of control over the company). I’ve even seen Globo, biggest Brazilian media, which always was enthusiastic about the neoliberal reforms and privatizations, be somewhat critical of this particular one and how it happened in the terms it did.

COVID investigation comittee is also on fire, pressing the Bolsonaro government a lot this week. I haven’t followed it so much but apparently there’s a recent important discovery of a document that evidences corruption in the process of buying Covaxin Indian vaccines. There was giant pressure from the government to buy those for a much larger and absurd prices while the safety and efficiency of that specific vaccine wasn’t clear. At the same time, the process of buying Pfizer vaccines was sabotaged by the government on purpose, with ELEVEN selling proposals by Pfizer simply being ignored by Bolsonaro.

Mayyyybe this could lead to complications to Bolsonaro on a criminal level but I’m not really sure to say that it will or it won’t happen. Heard rumors of TSE possibly making him ineligible as well? Sometimes things in this country can be exhausting, like an unpredictable tv series with tons of plots and twists. So I don’t dare to make any predictions about where these investigations will lead or if there will be any accountability for the crimes of the agents involved.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on June 25, 2021, 09:47:38 AM
Wasn't there a poll just the other day that had Bolsonaro and Lula neck and neck?

What's going on??


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on June 25, 2021, 10:20:25 AM
Wasn't there a poll just the other day that had Bolsonaro and Lula neck and neck?

What's going on??

Polling methods. Ipec and Datafolha are more trustworthy because they ask on the streets, being more representative imo. The others are done by telephone and I think that limits your reach in some demographic levels.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: SnowLabrador on June 25, 2021, 08:42:07 PM
Bolsonaro will win in 2022, and nothing will change my mind.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on June 25, 2021, 08:54:48 PM
For those who understand this slang: Bolsonaro's potato is baking
The inquiry in the Senate was created in order to investigate the mismanagement of the pandemic. Now, it was found possibility of corruption in the purchase of Indian vaccine Covaxin.

Well, all the mismanagement of the pandemic was much worse than a simple corruption scandal. 500K people died, maybe twice as much if the pandemic were better managed. But the discovery of a possible corruption scandal makes the situation of Bolsonaro worse.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: SnowLabrador on June 25, 2021, 09:15:48 PM
For those who understand this slang: Bolsonaro's potato is baking
The inquiry in the Senate was created in order to investigate the mismanagement of the pandemic. Now, it was found possibility of corruption in the purchase of Indian vaccine Covaxin.

Well, all the mismanagement of the pandemic was much worse than a simple corruption scandal. 500K people died, maybe twice as much if the pandemic were better managed. But the discovery of a possible corruption scandal makes the situation of Bolsonaro worse.

We already knew about Bolsonaro's corruption scandals prior to the 2018 election. I'm not convinced this will move the needle.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on June 25, 2021, 09:37:11 PM
For those who understand this slang: Bolsonaro's potato is baking
The inquiry in the Senate was created in order to investigate the mismanagement of the pandemic. Now, it was found possibility of corruption in the purchase of Indian vaccine Covaxin.

Well, all the mismanagement of the pandemic was much worse than a simple corruption scandal. 500K people died, maybe twice as much if the pandemic were better managed. But the discovery of a possible corruption scandal makes the situation of Bolsonaro worse.

Today was the end of his government. The COVID investigation comittee was on fire and it was revealed that Bolsonaro knew that the leader of his government in congress was involved with schemes that were taking away public money used for the response to the pandemic. Bolsonaro did nothing even though he knew this was happening.

Luís Miranda, congressman who denounced this conversation, had to go through 7 hours of inquiry before finally giving away the name of the person Bolsonaro talked about in the conversation he had with him. It was Ricardo Barros, leader of Bolsonaro government in congress. Luís Miranda was super scared to give that detail but he eventually did in the very end. I hope he receives lots of protection in order to not be “suicided”.

It’s over. Finally over. Idk if impeachment will happen or not, but Bolsonaro government is over even if he stays until the end of 2022. It will be a zombie government like Dilma’s 2nd term was in 2015-2016, one that she had no power at all. And that’s IF he is lucky enough to be there for one more year.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P! on June 25, 2021, 11:03:34 PM
The confusing privatization of Eletrobras also has the potential for worsening things up, leading to higher energy prices for the consumer. Even people who were defending the privatization of that company changed their discourse to a more negative opinion because congress included a bunch of unrelated stuff as conditions to the privatization (basically, multiple powerful interests wanting to assure they will have some share of control over the company). I’ve even seen Globo, biggest Brazilian media, which always was enthusiastic about the neoliberal reforms and privatizations, be somewhat critical of this particular one and how it happened in the terms it did.

If I'm remembering the right bill it included clauses on completely unrelated issues in comically corrupt ways. There was a subsidy for bus companies owned by Senators and also a ban on anyone competing with these companies. Absolute nonsense.

The only thing going for Bolsonaro right now is his ability to placate the Center and delay the election. A more interesting question is what happens when Bolsonaro is gone, considering he glues together both supporters and enemies. I have a hard time imagining ex-Bolsonaro voters just going back to voting PSDB.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on June 26, 2021, 12:16:11 AM
Who would the right’s candidate be if Bolsonaro is impeached? Is there a chance that he doesn’t run for reelection if he’s not impeached?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on June 26, 2021, 01:06:11 AM
The only thing going for Bolsonaro right now is his ability to placate the Center and delay the election. A more interesting question is what happens when Bolsonaro is gone, considering he glues together both supporters and enemies. I have a hard time imagining ex-Bolsonaro voters just going back to voting PSDB.

Oh I do too. I think anti-PT sentiment made a lot of people to buy Bolsonaro angry anti-establishment narrative, thinking they were destroying PT for the sake of their short-term immediate ambitions, but they were actually destroying PSDB in the medium to long term.

And like them or not, PSDB since the redemocratization has been the counterpoint to PT, it’s main rival. Most privatizations and neoliberal policies in this country were established in the 90s during their reign. Before it, the military always had the nationalistic approach to the economy in the military regime and prior to that there was the populist period with strong Getúlio Vargas influence. And then after the 90s you had four successive PT victories in the 00s and first half of the 2010s.

So I don’t consider that it was a smart strategy for some of the more “intellectual” right-wingers to simply drop the PSDB as establishment trash to join Bolsonaro crazy narrative. Their hate for PT after winning four consecutive times (last one being very polarized election) made them have this main goal of taking it out immediately no matter what. Including dropping an established strong party like PSDB and its structure to join crazy man who channeled their anger against the PT and the political system.

If they were so angry and energized after the 2014 loss, it would have been smarter to just let Dilma collapse by herself. More four years and PT’s image would sink at 2018 much deeper at the mud because of the economy crisis. The focus on the economy would give PSDB a landslide 2018 victory and they would be favorites to win in 2022 as well.

Instead, PSDB, its voters and also all the media chose to use disingenuous “corruption” concerns to motivate the early ousting of the 1st female president who was probably one of the most honest leader that passed in Brasília. Her problem was tons of incompetence in dealing with the economy, but people acted like she was being judged by all the system corruption because that’s what they were most angry about. It made all the process forced, to have her judged by all those crooks in the congress (who are never held accountable for anything!). Also, the treatment given to Lula in his trial and jailing is something I never thought it would be given to any president in the country, something that isn’t even done to congressmen accused of much more terrible stuff than Lula ever was. It was clear they were also pressing hard for political motives, even if I don’t necessarily think he was a saint either.

All this gave the left the very base of a narrative to work with. And then these people who campaigned for the Lula arrest elected Bolsonaro, who put the judge responsible for the arrest as his minister, which sealed the fate of the Brazilian right in losing the narrative dispute in the long term. Domestically and internationally. You can’t support a notorious villain who always behaved in a destructive manner and think that’s great long-term strategy. But they weren’t thinking on the long-term, they wanted to burn things down and the agents with more fascist characteristics probably also hoped that Bolsonaro would stay forever in power through force or be competent to establish a coup or something. That kind of authoritarian mind-of-thought that you can achieve all you want by brute force.

The result of all this is a precocious revival of the left. Like I said, in the alternative timeline in which the right was less impulsive, PSDB would have won in 2018 and 2022 and if they managed to do a competent job, they would be looking good for 2026 as well. Instead, the PT left will win in 2022 and frankly, they are looking good for the future as well because PSDB is currently destroyed on a federal level (5% in the polls) and Bolsonaro is the main representative of the right now. But he’s way too hated to win anything against anyone after his incendiary government, making the long term scenario be a polarization of the populist Bolsonaro-friendly right vs a revived PT left which is now able to call themselves as the “pragmatic” and “smart” option simply because they aren’t Bolsonaro. That is Heaven scenario for PT, they could continue their reign for a long time.

The radicalization of the Brazilian right represented their destruction. PSDB appeal over PT was their pragmatism on the economy especially, selling the right as the more responsible option. No one can now call the right “responsible” with Bolsonaro as their main representative. They wanted to destroy PT but they actually saved it from its errors and gave them a fast redemption. People are very nostalgic about the idea of late Lula years these days.

IMO, the path for rebuilding a strong right would be building things from the very base instead of betting on quick options. It could be through a revival of PSDB or even by joining a new serious party with clear ideological-driven lines. But it would need lots of people to dump Bolsonaro and I’m not really sure that will ever happen. It COULD happen, if Bolsonaro keeps getting involved in even worse stuff for the next year, but I suspect he will always have something between at least 10%-20% of support, while the others who voted for him but regretted are still lost and scattered in regards what they really want as a collective project (instead of the adventure they bet on) and how to properly confront Bolsonaro in order to take away his right-wing protagonism. What joined all these people was their hate for PT but that proved to not be enough in the construction of a good alternative that is sustainable, it only worked to stop PT consecutive victories in one specific election because that was their only real goal.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on June 26, 2021, 09:14:06 AM
Bolsonaro will win in 2022, and nothing will change my mind.

Some people here thought the Tories would win in 1997 until the exit poll dropped.

(and even after that in some hardened cases)


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on June 27, 2021, 08:35:27 AM
For those who understand this slang: Bolsonaro's potato is baking
The inquiry in the Senate was created in order to investigate the mismanagement of the pandemic. Now, it was found possibility of corruption in the purchase of Indian vaccine Covaxin.

Well, all the mismanagement of the pandemic was much worse than a simple corruption scandal. 500K people died, maybe twice as much if the pandemic were better managed. But the discovery of a possible corruption scandal makes the situation of Bolsonaro worse.

Today was the end of his government. The COVID investigation comittee was on fire and it was revealed that Bolsonaro knew that the leader of his government in congress was involved with schemes that were taking away public money used for the response to the pandemic. Bolsonaro did nothing even though he knew this was happening.

Luís Miranda, congressman who denounced this conversation, had to go through 7 hours of inquiry before finally giving away the name of the person Bolsonaro talked about in the conversation he had with him. It was Ricardo Barros, leader of Bolsonaro government in congress. Luís Miranda was super scared to give that detail but he eventually did in the very end. I hope he receives lots of protection in order to not be “suicided”.

It’s over. Finally over. Idk if impeachment will happen or not, but Bolsonaro government is over even if he stays until the end of 2022. It will be a zombie government like Dilma’s 2nd term was in 2015-2016, one that she had no power at all. And that’s IF he is lucky enough to be there for one more year.

Maybe it is too early to celebrate. When minister of Justice Sergio Moro resigned in April 2020 because Jair Bolsonaro wanted to change the director of the Federal Police in Rio de Janeiro in order to protect his son, many people believed it was the end of Bolsonaro.
But, of course, his reelection is becoming even harder. Even if Bolsonaro finishes the term, there is the possibility of he stays out of the runoff in 2022 if there were only one candidate of the left and one candidate of the traditional right, so that the votes are not split.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on July 01, 2021, 08:10:43 PM
Representatives, most of them from left-wing parties but also some from right-wing parties, sent a request for the start of a Bolsonaro's impeachment trial for the president of the House Artur Lira. There were many requests to start an impeachment trial, but this one summarizes all cases of misconduct done by Bolsonaro. However, Artur Lira will ignore this request. He has the power to start the impeachment trial, but he won't do it because he is Bolsonaro's ally. Probably, he will do something only if Bolsonaro's situation becomes not sustainable.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on July 01, 2021, 08:36:38 PM
Brazil has its Pete Buttigieg: Eduardo Leite, Governor of Rio Grande do Sul state and one of PSDB hopefuls for 2022 presidency, has come out as gay.



“Pete Buttigieg” not only because it’s new to maybe have someone from a big party who is gay possibly running for President. But also because he’s from PSDB, which we associate with neoliberalism. I can already imagine some gay progressives voting for him even if he’s right-wing because of representation lmao.

That said, I think it’s very amazing for a state Governor to publicly come out as gay in these times. It’s evidence of how the country evolved a lot in these past years, despite Bolsonaro. Eduardo Leite isn’t my candidate but out of all of PSDB options, I hope now he wins the party nomination because if it must be a PSDB neoliberal running the country, I would rather have one that makes sure the Palácio do Planalto will have rainbow lights during LGBT pride! #representation


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: NewYorkExpress on July 02, 2021, 04:36:50 PM
Bolsoanro says he won't hand over the Presidency if there is any electoral fraud. (https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/brazils-bolsonaro-says-he-wont-hand-over-presidency-if-there-is-vote-fraud-2021-07-01/)

Quote
Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro said on Thursday he would hand over power to whoever wins next year's presidential election cleanly - but not if there is any fraud.

His comments will do little to dispel the concerns of his critics, who fear that the far-right former army captain will not accept any election loss in next year's vote. Bolsonaro is almost certain to face his political nemesis, former leftist President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva. Polls show Lula ahead.

"I'll hand over the presidential sash to whoever wins the election cleanly," Bolsonaro said in a weekly address via social media. "Not with fraud."

Since his 2018 election victory, Bolsonaro has made baseless allegations of voter fraud in Brazil, which critics say could lay the groundwork to challenge upcoming elections in the same vein as his political idol, former U.S. President Donald Trump.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on July 02, 2021, 05:36:55 PM
Eduardo Leite is the first state governor to be open gay. Good news he admitted. I don't have a positive view on him. In the runoff in 2018, he considered Bolsonaro the lesser of the evils. Jair Bolsonaro is homophobic. Fernando Haddad tried to introduce anti LGBT discrimination lessons at school when he was minister of education during Lula's administration. But well, this is diversity in politics: there are politicians we like and politicians we don't like who are members of minorities.

Most of the Brazilians are not prejudiced about homosexuality, but few politicians admitt in public they are homosexuals and few politicians try to introduce anti-discrimination lessons at schools because the evangelicals are well organized and they are swing voters.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on July 02, 2021, 06:24:56 PM
If anything, it’s the left who is energetically trashing Eduardo Leite after coming out lol. All the Brazilian left-wing celebs like Felipe Neto, Glenn Greenwald and Jean Wyllys (Ex PSOL congressman who was the first gay member of legislative) are united in having a negative take about this.

I don’t really fully agree tbh although I see the point, I think hyping Leite up for the presidency just because he’s gay is stupid, especially when I don’t agree with him politically. He doesn’t represent me just because he’s a gay. That said, he came out yesterday and I think it’s normal to people to receive the news of Brazil’s first OUT gay Governor with hype in the first day, congratulating him. Naturally, if this lingers for longer and people keep using the dumb identity politics narrative that we gays should support Leite, then it’s a valid argument.

This is only because Leite is establishment center-right neoliberal politician that Globo media likes. If Leite was a left-wing politician they would all be celebrating this and making a big deal of how representation is important. But since he isn’t, the speech shifts to how empty representation is stupid, as Leite voted for Bolsonaro in 2018 despite being gay. Shouldn’t be a good thing that the right is becoming more diverse? That doesn’t mean we have to vote for them lol

I think the idea of PSDB becoming this modern socially liberal right-wing party (kinda like US democratic party) kinda scares the left-wing voters. They do have a point that representation is about what you do for your community and Leite voted for Bolsonaro. But we shouldn’t pretend he was the only gay voting “against” his interests in 2018. He doesn’t represent me but surely there are people who will feel represented by his coming out and they exist too, whether the left likes it or not.

But it’s also true there is only hype because he’s young and hot and has an even hotter boyfriend. If there were women who voted for Collor in 1989 just because of his looks (and he wasn’t even cute imo), then Leite definitely has some potential with women and also gay men demographics in this specific regard. If he was not a heteronormative “Padrão” type, people wouldn’t even be considering him for the presidency. The image privileges of being a cute white gay with power…

I hope he’s the PSDB nominee though! Being gay is enough for me to like someone more than Doria lol


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P! on July 03, 2021, 12:10:12 AM
If anything, it’s the left who is energetically trashing Eduardo Leite after coming out lol. All the Brazilian left-wing celebs like Felipe Neto, Glenn Greenwald and Jean Wyllys (Ex PSOL congressman who was the first gay member of legislative) are united in having a negative take about this.

I don’t really fully agree tbh although I see the point, I think hyping Leite up for the presidency just because he’s gay is stupid, especially when I don’t agree with him politically. He doesn’t represent me just because he’s a gay. That said, he came out yesterday and I think it’s normal to people to receive the news of Brazil’s first OUT gay Governor with hype in the first day, congratulating him. Naturally, if this lingers for longer and people keep using the dumb identity politics narrative that we gays should support Leite

This is only because Leite is establishment center-right neoliberal politician that Globo media likes. If Leite was a left-wing politician they would all be celebrating this and making a big deal of how representation is important. But since he isn’t, the speech shifts to how empty representation is stupid, as Leite voted for Bolsonaro in 2018 despite being gay. Shouldn’t be a good thing that the right is becoming more diverse? That doesn’t mean we have to vote for them lol

I think the idea of PSDB becoming this modern socially liberal right-wing party (kinda like US democratic party) kinda scares the left-wing voters. They do have a point that representation is about what you do for your community and Leite voted for Bolsonaro. But we shouldn’t pretend he was the only gay voting “against” his interests in 2018. He doesn’t represent me but surely there are people who will feel represented by his coming out and they exist too, whether the left likes it or not.

But it’s also true there is only hype because he’s young and hot and has an even hotter boyfriend. If there were women who voted for Collor in 1989 just because of his looks (and he wasn’t even cute imo), then Leite definitely has some potential with women and also gay men demographics in this specific regard. If he was not a heteronormative “Padrão” type, people wouldn’t even be considering him for the presidency. The image privileges of being a cute white gay with power…

I hope he’s the PSDB nominee though! Being gay is enough for me to like someone more than Doria lol

Reminds me of that time Ciro Gomes called Fernando Holiday a bush captain.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on July 04, 2021, 07:22:50 AM
The were big protests against Bolsonaro again in many Brasilian cities on July 3rd https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57709301

I went to the demonstration in downtown Rio de Janeiro. Eveybody was wearing masks and avoiding to get to close one from another. I went there walking, in order to avoid the subway. "Only" 5km from my home.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on July 04, 2021, 11:54:06 AM
If anything, it’s the left who is energetically trashing Eduardo Leite after coming out lol. All the Brazilian left-wing celebs like Felipe Neto, Glenn Greenwald and Jean Wyllys (Ex PSOL congressman who was the first gay member of legislative) are united in having a negative take about this.

I don’t really fully agree tbh although I see the point, I think hyping Leite up for the presidency just because he’s gay is stupid, especially when I don’t agree with him politically. He doesn’t represent me just because he’s a gay. That said, he came out yesterday and I think it’s normal to people to receive the news of Brazil’s first OUT gay Governor with hype in the first day, congratulating him. Naturally, if this lingers for longer and people keep using the dumb identity politics narrative that we gays should support Leite

This is only because Leite is establishment center-right neoliberal politician that Globo media likes. If Leite was a left-wing politician they would all be celebrating this and making a big deal of how representation is important. But since he isn’t, the speech shifts to how empty representation is stupid, as Leite voted for Bolsonaro in 2018 despite being gay. Shouldn’t be a good thing that the right is becoming more diverse? That doesn’t mean we have to vote for them lol

I think the idea of PSDB becoming this modern socially liberal right-wing party (kinda like US democratic party) kinda scares the left-wing voters. They do have a point that representation is about what you do for your community and Leite voted for Bolsonaro. But we shouldn’t pretend he was the only gay voting “against” his interests in 2018. He doesn’t represent me but surely there are people who will feel represented by his coming out and they exist too, whether the left likes it or not.

But it’s also true there is only hype because he’s young and hot and has an even hotter boyfriend. If there were women who voted for Collor in 1989 just because of his looks (and he wasn’t even cute imo), then Leite definitely has some potential with women and also gay men demographics in this specific regard. If he was not a heteronormative “Padrão” type, people wouldn’t even be considering him for the presidency. The image privileges of being a cute white gay with power…

I hope he’s the PSDB nominee though! Being gay is enough for me to like someone more than Doria lol

Reminds me of that time Ciro Gomes called Fernando Holiday a bush captain.

Kinda yes , but Holiday and his discourse always actively worked to antagonize the Black movement and more than just on a policy-matter. The attack, even if heavy (a normal day for Ciro and his tongue) and arguably disproportionate, has a criticism that is valid behind it.

I think Holiday has changed his rhetoric to be less antagonizing of the black movement though. He still criticizes some positions but there isn’t the same type of “disgust” in his rhetoric like before. I think maybe he got more educated and even if he still disagrees with lots of it, he isn’t as disrespectful of the collective movement as a whole.

Eduardo Leite criticism is just because he’s from PSDB, leans towards right-wing economic politics and never had specific LGBT policy history of fighting. As if someone wasn’t allowed to be that just because they’re gay. But I’ve never seen him openly wanting to start a personal feud against the gay community he’s a part of, actively antagonizing LGBT policies. He’s more of a discreet gay who always wanted to not position himself on these matters, while Holiday was a black man who used to like to trash the black movement demands with a very particular focus.

That doesn’t necessarily make Ciro attacks appropriate or proportional, but they definitely have more of an intelectual reasoning behind compared to left-wing attacks against Eduardo Leite when the only thing he did was to publicly come out of the closet. That’s just leftists scared of Eduardo Leite being the new Globo sweetheart and wanting to anticipate a narrative against him in order to assure they will keep social progressives away from supporting him (Kinda like: “Look, he supported homophobe Bolsonaro in 2018, so he doesn’t represent the gays!”).

Eduardo Leite positions on social issues vary. From my understanding he always supported gay marriage (if he didn’t, that would be something that justified harsher attacks on him) and also the legalization of Marijuana. But he opposes decriminalization of abortion, which tbh is the standard position from politicians because abortion is treated much more as a taboo in Brazil (and Latin America) in comparison with gay rights and weed.

Latin American countries like Uruguay and now Mexico were global pioneers in the weed topic. Brazil and Uruguay legalized gay marriage in 2013, earlier than lots of western countries that are seen as “progressive references” and Argentina did it even before, in 2010 (becoming one of the first 10 countries in the world to do so).

If you look at the abortion map though, Latin America lags way way behind. Argentina decriminalized it recently but that still was years later than everyone else in the world.

The weed topic is interesting because so far in the whole world it’s more limited only to North America (Canada, Mexico and specific parts of US), Uruguay, South Africa and Georgia (I think??). I wonder why that specific topic got popularized in North America first.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on July 05, 2021, 10:12:31 AM
New CNT poll released for the 2022 presidential election:

Lula (PT) 41,3%
Bolsonaro (no party) 26,6%
Ciro Gomes (PDT) 5,9%
Sérgio Moro (no party) 5,9%
João Doria (PSDB) 2,1%
Henrique Mandetta (DEM) 1,8%
Blank/nulls 8,6%
Undecided 7,8%

Runoff scenarios:
Lula 52,6% vs Bolsonaro 33,3%
Ciro Gomes 43,2% vs Bolsonaro 33,7%

Bolsonaro Government approval among Brazilians:
Disapprove 63% (+12)
Approve 34% (-10)

Variations indicated based on the February 2021 poll from the same institute.

They also asked what is the bigger priority for voters in the 2022 election:

Not reelect Bolsonaro 45,1%
Not elect Lula 27,7%
Neither of the options 21,2%


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on July 05, 2021, 10:23:18 AM
Antipetismo in shambles. You love to see it.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on July 05, 2021, 10:29:58 AM
 https://noticias.uol.com.br/reportagens-especiais/ex-cunhada-implica-jair-bolsonaro/ (https://noticias.uol.com.br/reportagens-especiais/ex-cunhada-implica-jair-bolsonaro/)

New Bolsonaro scandal (seems like there’s one every day now). Ex-sister-in-law accusing him of forcing staffers to give him part of their salaries when he was a federal deputy.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on July 05, 2021, 10:58:43 AM

Excluding blank/nulls and undecideds, that’s 49,4% of the valid votes in the 1st round for Lula.

For a candidate to win without a runoff, they need to get 50% or more of the valid votes. Which means there is the possibility of not even happening a runoff. Which would be a first for PT in presidential election, it’s only something PSDB has done it in the 90s. All 4 of their victories happened with a runoff.

1989: Runoff happens
Collor (PRN) 30,5%
Lula (PT) 17,2%

Brizola (PDT) 16,5%
Mário Covas (PSDB) 11,5%

1994: PSDB wins with no runoff
FHC (PSDB) 54,2%
Lula (PT) 27,1%

1998: PSDB wins with no runoff
FHC (PSDB) 53,1%
Lula (PT) 31,7%
Ciro Gomes (PPS) 11,0%

2002: Runoff happens
Lula (PT) 46,4%
José Serra (PSDB) 23,2%

Anthony Garotinho (PSB) 17,9%
Ciro Gomes (PPS) 12,0%

2006: Runoff happens
Lula (PT) 48,6%
Geraldo Alckmin (PSDB) 41,6%


2010: Runoff happens
Dilma (PT) 46,9%
José Serra (PSDB) 32,6%

Marina Silva (PV) 19,3%

2014: Runoff happens
Dilma (PT) 41,6%
Aécio Neves (PSDB) 33,5%

Marina Silva (PSB) 21,3%

2018: Runoff happens
Bolsonaro (PSL) 46,0%
Haddad (PT) 29,3%

Ciro Gomes (PDT) 12,5%

CNT 2022 Projection (valid votes): Just barely a runoff happens
Lula (PT) 49,4%
Bolsonaro (no party) 31,8%


Listed only candidates that achieved to get 10%+ in the 1st round of the vote.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: crals on July 05, 2021, 11:25:18 AM
Eduardo Leite criticism is just because he’s from PSDB, leans towards right-wing economic politics and never had specific LGBT policy history of fighting. As if someone wasn’t allowed to be that just because they’re gay. But I’ve never seen him openly wanting to start a personal feud against the gay community he’s a part of, actively antagonizing LGBT policies.
Arguably supporting Bolsonaro is more effective at antagonizing pro-LGBT policies than actively attacking them. It also carries the stench of hypocrisy with him.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on July 05, 2021, 11:47:17 AM
Eduardo Leite criticism is just because he’s from PSDB, leans towards right-wing economic politics and never had specific LGBT policy history of fighting. As if someone wasn’t allowed to be that just because they’re gay. But I’ve never seen him openly wanting to start a personal feud against the gay community he’s a part of, actively antagonizing LGBT policies.
Arguably supporting Bolsonaro is more effective at antagonizing pro-LGBT policies than actively attacking them. It also carries the stench of hypocrisy with him.

Right, but I also don’t like the idea that all LGBT people necessarily MUST vote thinking about LGBT issues first above everything else. As if this was the only thing that defined them.

Someone might be gay but for example, absolutely hate PT economic policies. Who am I to tell them what has to be their priority? Eduardo Leite might dislike Bolsonaro for his homophobic stances but dislike PT even more for other policy disagreements. Economically, Eduardo Leite is closer to Bolsonaro/the right anyways, but more of a competent version based on what he did in his state.

However, it’s totally valid for people who have LGBT rights as a priority (regardless of who they are) to hold that as a reason for not supporting Leite more than the fact he’s gay. But it’s still one year for the elections and I don’t agree with the left that Leite came out of the closet with electoral purposes. I would imagine being a gay in the center-right actually can bring more negatives than positives, especially when you want to run for president?

That’s why my impression was that the left was anticipating an opposition in a moment that wasn’t appropriate, after he just came out. They even tried to oust the RN Governor (from PT) as a lesbian in order to have a narrative competition, but the fact is that even if she’s really a lesbian, she never came out in a public way, so Leite is the first assumed LGBT Governor from Brazil and that’s still an important landmark whether you like him or not.

That doesn’t mean you have to vote for him, much less like him. But it was the moment to congratulate him for the attitude and celebrate the social advance it represents, to have a governor gay (and not just a gay governor in the way Leite referred to himself in order to appeal to the straights).


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on July 06, 2021, 03:13:20 PM




Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: LM Brazilian Citizen on July 07, 2021, 01:15:37 PM
Genial/Quaest 2022 presidential election poll:

1st round (spontaneous poll):

Lula (Workers Party - PT ) 21%
Jair Bolsonaro (no party)  18%
Ciro Gomes (Democratic Labour Party - PDT) 1%
Others : 1%
Undecided: 57%

In the 2022 elections, would you prefer it to win:

Lula 41%
Bolsonaro 24%
Neither Bolsonaro nor Lula 31%

1st round (stimulated)

Lula 43%
Bolsonaro 28%
Ciro Gomes 10%
João Doria 7%
Blank/null: 3%
Don’t know/don’t answer: 8%

2nd round:

Lula 54% vs. Bolsonaro 33%

Ciro 44% vs. Bolsonaro 36%

Doria 38% vs. Bolsonaro 38%

Mandetta 36% vs. Bolsonaro 37%

Leite 33% vs. Bolsonaro 38%

Rodrigo Pacheco 31% vs. Bolsonaro 39%

Tasso 31% vs. Bolsonaro 40%


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on July 08, 2021, 07:25:27 PM
DataFolha new poll about opinions on Bolsonaro government:

General opinion about the Bolsonaro government?
Great/Good 24% (-)
Regular 24% (-6)
Bad/Awful 51% (+6)
Don’t Know 1% (-)

How do you usually trust the president declarations?
Always Trust 15%
Sometimes Trust 28%
Never Trust 55%
Don’t Know 1%

How competent the president is?
Competent 36%
Incompetent 58%
Don’t Know 5%

How honest the president is?
Honest 38%
Dishonest 52%
Don’t Know 10%

How intelligent the president is?
Very intelligent 39%
Not very intelligent 57%
Don’t Know 4%

How authentic the president is?
Sincere 39%
Fake 55%
Don’t Know 6%

How confident the president is?
Decided 41%
Undecided 57%
Don’t Know 3%

How Democratic the president is?
Democratic 28%
Authoritarian 66%
Don’t Know 6%

How prepared is the president to lead the country?
Prepared 34%
Unprepared 62%
Don’t Know 4%

Who do you think the president respects more?
Respects more the poor 17%
Respects more the rich 66%
Don’t Know 16%

What do you think about corruption in the Bolsonaro government?
Exists 70%
Doesn’t exist 23%
Don’t Know 7%

What is your expectation about corruption in the government?
It will grow worse 56%
It will diminish for better 13%
It will stay about the same 26%
Don’t Know 5%


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on July 09, 2021, 06:42:15 PM
Datafolha polls, president 2022

If Joao Doria runs
Lula 46%, Bolsonaro 25%, Ciro Gomes 8%, Doria 5%, Mandetta 4%

If Eduardo Leite runs
Lula 46%, Bolsonaro 25%, Ciro Gomes 9%, Leite 3%

Runoff
Lula 58%, Bolsonaro 31%


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on July 09, 2021, 07:24:41 PM
Bolsonaro isn’t in good physical shape, the stress is clearly having physical effects on his health. In his speeches today he couldn’t say one phrase without hiccuping, coughing or burping. Stomach is the part of the body that feels effects from stress the strongest, which is why gastritis is usually associated with high anxiety levels.

He is panicking.

It’s weird, but I do feel some sympathy for him. No matter how awful the person is, it doesn’t bring satisfaction to see anyone suffering. Hope he gets treatment but he needs to resign first in order to get rid from the source of the stress. There’s no fully going back but if he stays longer, the consequences could be worse for him.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: SnowLabrador on July 10, 2021, 11:08:17 AM
Bolsonaro isn’t in good physical shape, the stress is clearly having physical effects on his health. In his speeches today he couldn’t say one phrase without hiccuping, coughing or burping. Stomach is the part of the body that feels effects from stress the strongest, which is why gastritis is usually associated with high anxiety levels.

He is panicking.

It’s weird, but I do feel some sympathy for him. No matter how awful the person is, it doesn’t bring satisfaction to see anyone suffering. Hope he gets treatment but he needs to resign first in order to get rid from the source of the stress. There’s no fully going back but if he stays longer, the consequences could be worse for him.

I hope he does suffer the way he's making his people suffer.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on July 12, 2021, 07:21:33 PM
Bolsonaro is not only a horrible person, he is very dumb. It is possible to be a horrible person and not be dumb.

It would be very easy to have a good image in the english speaking press, like Economist, Financial Times, Wall Street Journal and Forbes. In the group of the 3 biggest Latin American GDPs, Mexico and Argentina have left-wing governments. Only Brazil has a (very) right-wing government. This business media loves to find a "good example" in Latin American: a government which implements a neoliberal agenda. Besides, Mexico and Argentina are not doing well in the economy, they have not managed very well the pandemic. But Bolsonaro looses this opportunity. He is able to do everything worse, even when his competitors are not doing very well.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on July 12, 2021, 08:11:41 PM
I think he just enjoys being a villain and feel like he’s part of a global “populist right” villain club.

Like, his nearly 30 year career as a parasite congressmen was all about making disgusting comments and antagonizing people to get media. He energetically feeds himself on that sh**t.

If he was forced into a more “presidential” behavior it probably wouldn’t be as fun being evil for him. The fun is in exhibiting it to everyone and making tons of people mad, so that he can feel more powerful or something.

Of the 3 big LatAm countries, he really was supposed to be the international darling of western media because of the neoliberal economic positions, since Mexico and Argentina are currently led by the left. And I do usually think that even though US current leaders are ideologically much closer to Lula than to Bolsonaro, the geopolitics of having a more neutral and multilateral Brazil is not very appealing to them in comparison with having US-submissive Trump bootlicker Bolsonaro. But what we see happening is the opposite, he’s by far the most hated of the three.

And yet what you see everywhere is him getting trashed to high heavens lmao. But ESPECIALLY on the West (US + Europe). The international brand constructed by Bolsonaro is locked and sealed because he openly antagonized and provoked international leaders and people in the same way he always antagonized and provoked the left here for 30 years.

The most I see of international praise for him is from delusional sectors from the Latin American right convinced that his strongman model is the solution to erasing the left in their countries (see: Fujimoristas in Peru, or angry anti-Peronist Argentinians). Someone needs to warn them that Bolsonaro is actually reviving the left with how hated he is.

If the right wants to be strong they need to unite on a party and a clear platform without the authoritarian fascist stuff. But it’s a long term and difficult job that they don’t have patience to invest in. The PT managed to be an extremely resilient party, getting 45% (!!!) in their absolute worst moment in history when everyone sounded to be against them (if you were PT defender in 2018 you could be spanked on the street). But it took almost 15 years of losses in order to gain penetration within marginalized sectors of society that are always ignored, before they could actually win the presidency.

The right is way more disorganized and less rational even though they’re more powerful imo. They sometimes unite under a random candidate from a “who??” party (PRN in 1989, PSL in 2018), who then is a complete failure partially because of lack of a strong party structure that gives them support both internally in congress and with bases outside. And then they are able to do almost nothing, besides not really lasting too long in power. Bolsonaro knows this is his fate and that’s why he wants a coup, it’s the only opportunity for him to save himself.

Like them or not (some of the more radical right-wingers now claim they’re too “moderate”) PSDB still represents the only successful project that the right managed to put into power. A good project isn’t one that you like more on paper, but the one that is viable and that gets to be done. And as I said before, never in the history of this country economic neoliberal policies advanced so much as they did in the 90s.

Things is, the right is often way more obsessed with their hate for the left (including their successes) than with forming their own project of a country and more importantly, creating a line of dialogue with society to discuss it.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on July 14, 2021, 10:08:10 AM
Bolsonaro is in the hospital with stomach pains

🦀 time? (not holding my breath but…)


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: SnowLabrador on July 14, 2021, 04:27:16 PM
Bolsonaro is in the hospital with stomach pains

🦀 time? (not holding my breath but…)

I say so. He's killed over half a million of his own citizens. I'm not saying I want him to die, but I certainly don't feel sympathy for him.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on July 14, 2021, 05:34:36 PM
Bolsonaro is in the hospital with stomach pains

🦀 time? (not holding my breath but…)

I see this just a populist media spectacle. He’s sick but will hype that up and use that to gain sympathy like he used it in 2018. The public pictures from him in the hospital are especially designed for that, what other public figures release their images in the hospital bed? lmao

He needs the victim narrative back from 2018 to counterbalance his popularity loss and deconstruction of image caused by the COVID Investigation commitee in congress.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on July 17, 2021, 10:29:00 AM
Today, finally I got my first dose of AstraZeneca.

Until now, 42% of the Brazilian population received at least the first dose of a Covid vaccine.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on July 22, 2021, 07:05:10 PM
Poder Data 360 Poll July 19-21

Bolsonaro's administration evaluation
26% good/very good
15% regular
56% bad/very bad

Results are almost the same of two weeks ago

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Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on July 24, 2021, 04:24:13 PM
Again, lots of people went to the streets in many Brazilian cities in order to demand the impeachment of Jair Bolsonaro. I went to the protest downtown Rio de Janeiro.
There are a lot of impeachment requests. The proceeding starts only if the president of the House Arthur Lira accepts. But now, Lira is a Bolsonaro's ally. Besides it is necessary 2/3 of the votes in both houses, it means, 342 in the House (there are 513 representatives) and 54 in the Senate (there are 81 senators). That's why, the pressure in the streets is necessary
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/7/24/out-bolsonaro-more-brazil-protests-over-covid-crisis


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on July 24, 2021, 04:26:27 PM
Instituto Ranking Poll, Rio de Janeiro state, July 18-22

Governor: Marcelo Freixo 24.3%, Martha Rocha 14.0%, Claudio Castro 12.2%

President: Lula 34.1%, Jair Bolsonaro 31.4%, others ~15%

https://www.diariodocentrodomundo.com.br/essencial/marcelo-freixo-lidera-pesquisa-de-intencao-de-voto-para-o-governo-do-rio-de-janeiro/
https://www.diariodocentrodomundo.com.br/essencial/lula-venceria-no-rio-casa-de-bolsonaro-diz-pesquisa/


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on July 26, 2021, 04:48:30 PM
Jair Bolsonaro had a meeting with AfD representative Beatrix von Storch. Her grandfather was minister of finance in the Third Reich.
Before this meeting, Storch met Jair's son Eduardo Bolsonaro and PSL representative Bia Kicis.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on July 26, 2021, 04:56:36 PM
One hot debate topic in Brazil in the last weekend was the protest on the statue of Borba Gato in São Paulo. The protesters set fire on the statue.
Borba Gato was an explorer who lived in the 17th century. He traveled to the Brazilian countryside in order to look for gold. In his trips, he killed lots of natives and enslaved many of them.
The demonstrators considered that public statues of people like him glorify colonization, racism, slavery and genocide. The opponents of the protest consider that Borba Gato was very important to develop Brazilian territory considering that during his time most of the non-native population was concentrated in the coast and that one can not judge a person who lived in the 17th century according to the values of the 20th century.
There were also the ones who considered that the demonstrators should have proposed the legislative branch of São Paulo to discuss a proposal to remove the statue, instead of trying to burn the statue.
Despite the attempt of the protesters, very little damage was caused on the statue.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on July 26, 2021, 06:52:02 PM
So now besides the righties being influenced by US brand of right wing authoritarianism and stupidity, we also have some of the lefties desperate to emulate US woke progressives losing their minds because of statues lmao

It’s too much love, I guess? Thank heavens both Lula and Ciro are against that kind of excessive Identitary rage that simply DOESN’T translate well with most sectors of society and just creates more polarization. The strategy of both campaigns want to be focused on the economy, as it should be in order to win.

And if you want to talk about social issues, talk about the more than a half million dead on Covid due to the disastrous administration. THAT is something that will get you tons of support in necessary times. Not burning historical statues that shaped the identity and image of a state like you were this big revolutionary. It’s not right-wingers who get motivated by that thing, it’s average people who don’t really pay that much attention to politics but don’t like symbols they grew up with burned because now people suddenly realized that history of the country was bloody and racist.

Some people appear to want to think Brazil is some Latin American version of US and import some of their rules when they don’t apply or translate as well in Brazilian concept. Our own existence IS racist because the majority of us wouldn’t even be here if it wasn’t those European explorers murdering, stealing and raping people, so our own presence in this place is a reminder of racist history, especially considering how most of us have all some degree of mix between European, African and Indigenous. It’s bad to think about but it’s the history we have and the only one we have to show.

There isn’t any “good counterpart” to substitute those images, like US has with civil war ones because it was an internal conflict of them, so you might as well completely abolish historical statues shown in public places. Unless you want to substitute all statues by Indigenous leadership images that don’t get me wrong, it would be cool to have more of, but just aren’t the face of majority of Brazilian population anymore. So it would make no sense to only have Indigenous symbolism and hypocritical too, simply because a majority of us are more of descendants of the oppressive colonizers who committed the biggest genocide in all of global history, unfortunately. It is what it is, that’s just the reality.

If we want to completely erase racism, we need to leave the country and go somewhere else. But we wouldn’t fit anywhere because it’s precisely that confused and unique cultural background that makes us very different from Europeans or Africans. Racism is literally written on the Brazilian DNA. The paternal lineage of average Brazilian is heavily European while the Maternal lineage is heavily African or Indigenous. You just gotta add 2 + 2 to understand what that means.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Lord Halifax on July 27, 2021, 03:13:46 AM
Racism is literally written on the Brazilian DNA. The paternal lineage of average Brazilian is heavily European while the Maternal lineage is heavily African or Indigenous. You just gotta add 2 + 2 to understand what that means.

So do most white Brazilians have some African or Indigenous ancestry?

If you're looking at the official numbers the 2010 estimate was that 47.7% were White, 43.1% Mulatto and 7.6% Black. So a roughly even distribution between Whites and Blacks by the US defintion (and ignoring Indigenous ancestry for mixed race people). I assumed that meant an "average Brazilian" was a meaningless term (a bit like measuring the average racial background of a person in the Mississippi Delta).


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on July 27, 2021, 03:54:15 PM
According to the 2010 Census, 47.7% of the brazilians self declared whites. Some of these whites look like European, like Gisele Bundchen. Many people from the south have italian or german ancestry. Some other whites have distant african or indigenous ancestry but doesn't look like if we just see their face. Some other whites have distant african or indigenous ancestry and would not be considered "white" bu European or North American standards. Soccer player Neymar and former soccer player Ronaldo used to consider themselves "white".
A new census was scheduled for 2020, but due to the pandemic, the census will take place in 2022. The most recent survey concerning Brazilian population is PNAD 2019. PNAD is a survey conducted more often than the Census, and unlike Census, is done by sample and not the whole population. According to PNAD 2019, 42.7% of the brazilians are white, 46.8% mulato, 9.4% black and 1.1% asian or indigenous. The highest share of whites took place in the 1950 Census, when 60% of the population declared themselves "white". There was a big European immigration in the late 19th century and early 20th century. Since 1950, the share of whites has been declining because non-whites have more children, and because there is a increasing share of 3/4 white 1/4 black people declaring themselves mulato and not white. There is a increasing perception that racism is not acceptable, and so, non-whites don't have shame anymore to declare themselves non-white.
The estimated Brazilian population now is 210M. So, there are ~90M whites in Brazil. This is the world's third largest white population in absolute numbers, after only USA and Russia. It is bigger than the German population, which is 83M. However, as I told, many of these 90M whites in Brazil are not as white as Germans.
If you consider that mulatos are black, Brazil has the world's second largest black population in absolute numbers, after only Nigeria.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on July 27, 2021, 06:03:09 PM
Racism is literally written on the Brazilian DNA. The paternal lineage of average Brazilian is heavily European while the Maternal lineage is heavily African or Indigenous. You just gotta add 2 + 2 to understand what that means.

So do most white Brazilians have some African or Indigenous ancestry?

If you're looking at the official numbers the 2010 estimate was that 47.7% were White, 43.1% Mulatto and 7.6% Black. So a roughly even distribution between Whites and Blacks by the US defintion (and ignoring Indigenous ancestry for mixed race people). I assumed that meant an "average Brazilian" was a meaningless term (a bit like measuring the average racial background of a person in the Mississippi Delta).

They absolutely have, I would say the majority must have something around 5% - 15% if they did one of those ancestry tests. Many wouldn’t be white if they were in US lmao

And black Brazilians have even more European share of ancestry than that, especially if compared to Black Americans. Everyone is way more in a wide spectrum here. And even though the backstory is kinda disturbing, not one of romance, it’s the story we have to tell. That’s why I kinda eyeroll these people angry about white colonizers when they’re directly descendants of these people and their own existence stands because of them whether they like it or not lmao.

We are all invaders here. The only people who can differ are the few Indigenous communities still left. But there are very few of them in Brazil, at least in comparison with the influence they have in other Latin American countries.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on July 30, 2021, 08:24:01 PM
Atlas Poll (I believe Atlas is the most reliable poll) July 2021

Rating of Bolsonaro's administration
Good/Very good: 26%
Regular: 15%
Bad/Very bad: 59%

1st round 2022
Lula 39.1%
Jair Bolsonaro 35.9%
Ciro Gomes 6.2%

Runoff
Lula 49.2%
Jair Bolsonaro 38.1%

Full data here
https://cdn.atlasintel.org/700ce09d-f532-403e-b86c-0d2ec9bd9177.pdf


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: SnowLabrador on August 02, 2021, 06:40:10 AM
Atlas Poll (I believe Atlas is the most reliable poll) July 2021

Rating of Bolsonaro's administration
Good/Very good: 26%
Regular: 15%
Bad/Very bad: 59%

1st round 2022
Lula 39.1%
Jair Bolsonaro 35.9%
Ciro Gomes 6.2%

Runoff
Lula 49.2%
Jair Bolsonaro 38.1%

Full data here
https://cdn.atlasintel.org/700ce09d-f532-403e-b86c-0d2ec9bd9177.pdf


It's getting closer. If this trend continues, Bolsonaro wins, and the world loses.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: President Punxsutawney Phil on August 02, 2021, 11:22:32 AM
One hot debate topic in Brazil in the last weekend was the protest on the statue of Borba Gato in São Paulo. The protesters set fire on the statue.
Borba Gato was an explorer who lived in the 17th century. He traveled to the Brazilian countryside in order to look for gold. In his trips, he killed lots of natives and enslaved many of them.
The demonstrators considered that public statues of people like him glorify colonization, racism, slavery and genocide. The opponents of the protest consider that Borba Gato was very important to develop Brazilian territory considering that during his time most of the non-native population was concentrated in the coast and that one can not judge a person who lived in the 17th century according to the values of the 20th century.
There were also the ones who considered that the demonstrators should have proposed the legislative branch of São Paulo to discuss a proposal to remove the statue, instead of trying to burn the statue.
Despite the attempt of the protesters, very little damage was caused on the statue.
As an American, I hate it when American stupidity gets exported overseas. *sigh*


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: LM Brazilian Citizen on August 05, 2021, 08:41:41 AM

https://www.poder360.com.br/poderdata/poderdata-lula-lidera-corrida-para-2022-com-39-bolsonaro-tem-25/

PoderData poll 2022 Brazilian Presidential Election:

1st round 2022:

Lula (Worker's Party) 39%
Jair Bolsonaro (no party) 25%
Ciro Gomes (Democratic Labor Party) 8%
José Luiz Datena (Social Liberal Party) 7%
João Doria (Brazilian Social Democracy Party) 6%
Luiz Henrique Mandetta (Democrats) 4%

Runoff:

Lula 52%
Bolsonaro 32%

Doria 42%
Bolsonaro 32%

Datena 34%
Bolsonaro 34%

Lula 49%
Doria 20%

Lula 51%
Datena 25%


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on August 08, 2021, 02:41:17 PM
Lmaaaaoo so apparently in the meeting with the White House representatives in Brasília, Bolsonaro sustained the narrative that what happened in US was an electoral fraud and that what he’s trying to do in Brazil is prevent what happened to Trump in US (“stolen election”) happening to him here.

I just cannot with the audacity and craziness to tell these Americans in their faces that the government they serve to is illegitimate, without any evidence. How does any of that helps his case here, other than probably putting these people against him? Most US Democrats never liked Latin American leftists and yet Bolsonaro insists to put them in the same basket of “Everyone but me is a communist”.

I really believe he’s emotionally unstable and really believes the lies coming out of his mouth. Even if dangerous and dumb, I admit there’s a side of hilarious comedy in seeing a Latin American president warn Americans that their elections were frauded. Sure, he claims his own election in 2018 was also a fraud, just to make the concept of democracy itself illegitimate.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on August 11, 2021, 09:09:32 PM
The House didn't approve the Amendment to introduce mandatory printed vote. 308 votes are necessary to approve an Amendment (3/¢ of the House). The proposal had only 229. Brazilian elections will keep all electronic.
Bolsonaro supported the introduction of the printed vote. But it doesn't matter for him. He wants no more than reduce the credibility of the election if he looses. He supported Trump's voter fraud claims. The Trump's voter fraud claims were related to paper ballots sent by mail.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on August 12, 2021, 02:09:14 AM
All this discourse about voting system is such an intentional distraction for the Bolsonaro crimes everyone was talking about two/three weeks ago. Bolsonaro successfully made people go back to calling him “Fascist, Authoritarian, etc” instead of “Thief, Corrupt, etc”. Which is a win for him.

Like, the focus of the discussion shifted into stupid nonsense like bringing back paper voting instead. Cool that it was defeated in congress but the mere fact we are even needed to have this discussion about stuff that should be obvious is scary. There are so much more important stuff going on.

Meanwhile, congress is proposing completely absurd stuff like “Distritão” but just to have more bargaining power into to bring back “Coligações” system back. It’s the same logic, cool that an absurdly awful system that doesn’t exist in any respectable country on Earth was defeated but they used this as leverage to pass outdated stuff from the not so distant past that is still bad even if isn’t as awful as the “Distritão”, selling a completely false image of political “middle ground” compromise.

It’s like if someone comes up to you and say you can choose between run over by a car on high speed or have someone punch you in the face. And the punch in the face becomes interpreted as not something too bad ONLY because otherwise something worse would’ve happened in the scenario they made you believe you needed to choose. We are constantly being punched and we are celebrating it because we’re not being run over by cars yet.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on August 12, 2021, 03:31:04 AM
Has impeachment lost its luster, then (especially since Bolsonaro got 229 votes for his signature proposal)?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on August 12, 2021, 08:18:02 AM
Has impeachment lost its luster, then (especially since Bolsonaro got 229 votes for his signature proposal)?

Not even PT wants impeachment because they consider it easier for them to win by running against Bozo in 2022 so yeah


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on August 12, 2021, 08:28:47 AM
Has impeachment lost its luster, then (especially since Bolsonaro got 229 votes for his signature proposal)?

Not even PT wants impeachment because they consider it easier for them to win by running against Bozo in 2022 so yeah

Well, have to hope this works better than "Trump is HRC's dream opponent" did in 2016!


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on August 12, 2021, 08:35:53 AM
Has impeachment lost its luster, then (especially since Bolsonaro got 229 votes for his signature proposal)?

Not even PT wants impeachment because they consider it easier for them to win by running against Bozo in 2022 so yeah

Well, have to hope this works better than "Trump is HRC's dream opponent" did in 2016!

The orientation of the party is to not attack him too little that it makes him too comfortable in office and neither attack him too hard that it actually succeeds in impeaching him lol

I think there’s a valid argument of not giving fuel for their adversaries claim persecution, but these people will find an excuse to not admit their loss even if they lose the elections (“It was rigged!” empty claims).


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Cassius on August 12, 2021, 09:46:47 AM
Looking at the poll posted above, who does Bolsonaro appeal to that the centre-right candidates (Doria and Dateno) don’t, seeing as he gets better scores against Lula?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on August 12, 2021, 11:09:50 AM
Looking at the poll posted above, who does Bolsonaro appeal to that the centre-right candidates (Doria and Dateno) don’t, seeing as he gets better scores against Lula?

People who would vote for Bolsonaro or Lula but wouldn’t vote for other options.

Vote in Brazil isn’t as ideological as you may think.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on August 12, 2021, 06:30:28 PM
Has impeachment lost its luster, then (especially since Bolsonaro got 229 votes for his signature proposal)?

Sure. 2/3 of the House is necessary for the impeachment: it means 342. Or: 171 votes are necessary to avoid the impeachment. We could see that Bolsonaro has safe 229 votes.
If there are no extraordinary facts, there is no impeachment.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on August 12, 2021, 06:32:43 PM
Bolsonaro is not the easiest opponent of PT. The incumbent has always advantage.

Besides, Bolsonaro does well in the group of evangelicals who live in poor neighborhoods in metro areas. Many of them voted for Lula, Dilma and Bolsonaro (they are like the american white working class who voted for Obama and Trump).
If a PT candidate runs against a PSDB or DEM candidate, this group can go back to PT.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on August 13, 2021, 10:31:25 PM
State level polls for 2022

Espírito Santo (Orizzonte, August 13)
Jair Bolsonaro 34.9%, Lula 34.3%, Ciro Gomes 4.6%
in 2018
2nd round: Jair Bolsonaro 63.1%, Fernando Haddad 36.9%
1st round: Jair Bolsonaro 54.8%, Fernando Haddad 24.2%, Ciro Gomes 9.5%

Acre (Big Data, August 7)
Jair Bolsonaro 43%, Lula 27%, Ciro Gomes 7%
2nd round: Bolsonaro 45%, Lula 31%
in 2018
2nd round: Jair Bolsonaro 77.2%, Fernando Haddad 22.8%
1st round: Jair Bolsonaro 62.2%, Fernando Haddad 18.5%, Ciro Gomes 5.2%

Rio Grande do Sul (Ranking, August 8)
Jair Bolsonaro 28.00%, Lula 26.05%, Eduardo Leite 17.10%
2nd round: Lula 42.3%, Bolsonaro 38.5%
in 2018
2nd round: Jair Bolsonaro 63.2%, Fernando Haddad 36.8%
1st round: Jair Bolsonaro 52.6%, Fernando Haddad 22.8%, Ciro Gomes 11.4%

Bahia (Paraná Pesquisas, August 7)
Lula 47.1%, Jair Bolsonaro 23.7%, Ciro Gomes 8.7%
in 2018
2nd round: Fernando Haddad 72.7%, Jair Bolsonaro 27.3%
1st round: Fernando Haddad 60.3%, Jair Bolsonaro 23.4%, Ciro Gomes 9.4%

Rio Grande do Norte (Perfil, August 6)
Lula 49.84%, Jair Bolsonaro 20.50%, Ciro Gomes 5.25%
in 2018
2nd round: Fernando Haddad 63.4%, Jair Bolsonaro 36.6%
1st round: Fernando Haddad 41.2%, Jair Bolsonaro 30.2%, Ciro Gomes 22.3%

Piauí (Estimativa, August 10)
Lula 63.65%, Jair Bolsonaro 16.45%, Ciro Gomes 7.00%
in 2018
2nd round: Fernando Haddad 77.0%, Jair Bolsonaro 23;0%
1st round: Fernando Haddad 63.4%, Jair Bolsonaro 18.8%, Ciro Gomes 11.4%




Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: LM Brazilian Citizen on August 17, 2021, 12:42:07 PM
2022 presidential election XP Ipespe poll:

1st round - 1st scenario:

Lula (Worker's Party) 40%
Jair Bolsonaro (no party) 24%
Ciro Gomes (Democratic Labour Party) 10%
Sérgio Moro (no party) 9%
Luiz Henrique Mandetta (Democrats) 4%
Eduardo Leite (Brazilian Social Democracy Party) 4%

1st round - 2nd scenario: 

Lula (Worker's Party) 37%
Jair Bolsonaro (no party) 28%
Ciro Gomes (Democratic Labour Party) 11%
João Doria (Brazilian Social Democracy Party) 5%
José Luiz Datena (Social Liberal Party) 5%
Rodrigo Pacheco (Democrats) 1%

Runoff:

Lula 51% vs. Bolsonaro 32%
Ciro Gomes 44% vs. Bolsonaro 32%
 Sérgio Moro 36% vs. Bolsonaro 30%
Mandetta 38% vs. Bolsonaro 34%
João Doria 37% vs. Bolsonaro 35%
Eduardo Leite 35% vs. Bolsonaro 33%

Bolsonaro's approval:

Excellent/good 20%
Regular 23%
Bad/terrible 54%




Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on August 17, 2021, 02:02:07 PM
New Instituto Opinião poll about opinions on recent events in Brazil:

Do you think President Bolsonaro wants to implement a dictatorship?
Yes - 57,6%
No - 31,1%

About the military parade of August 10th, did you feel more…
More Proud than Ashamed - 41,1%
More Ashamed than Proud - 46,3%

What did you think it was the main goal of the showing that happened in August 10th?
Intimidate the National congress on the day of their printed voting vote - 43,0%
To give the president the Navy’s invitation to participate in Operation Formosa - 15,4%
Demonstrate the strength and the submission of the military forces to president Bolsonaro - 13,9%


New XP/IPESPE poll for 2022 election:

Scenario 1:
Lula (PT) - 40%
Bolsonaro (no party) - 24%
Ciro Gomes (PDT) - 10%
Sérgio Moro (no party) - 9%
Henrique Mandetta (DEM) - 4%
Eduardo Leite (PSDB) - 4%

Scenario 2:
Lula (PT) - 37%
Bolsonaro (no party) - 28%
Ciro Gomes (PDT) - 11%
Henrique Mandetta (DEM) - 5%
Datena (PSL) - 5%
João Doria (PSDB) - 5%
Rodrigo Pacheco (PSD) - 1%

Runoff Scenarios:
Lula (PT) 51% vs 32% Bolsonaro (no party)
Lula (PT) 49% vs 34 % Sérgio Moro (no party)
Lula (PT) 49% vs 31% Ciro Gomes (PDT)
Ciro Gomes (PDT) 44% vs 32% Bolsonaro (no party)
João Doria (PSDB) 37% vs 35% Bolsonaro (no party)
Eduardo Leite (PSDB) 35% vs 33% Bolsonaro (no party)

Lula vs Bolsonaro rejection: Which of the two would Brazilians NEVER vote, under any scenario?
% who says they would never vote for Bolsonaro - 61%
% who says they would never vote for Lula - 45%


XP/IPESPE also polled opinions about the government and other stuff:

How do you rate the Bolsonaro government?
Bad/Awful - 54%
Great/Good - 23%
Regular - 20%
Don’t Know - 2%

What’s your opinion about the Impeachment of president Bolsonaro?
Support Impeaching him - 50%
Don’t support Impeaching him - 46%
Don’t Know - 4%

Do you support establishing the printed vote system in Brazil?
Oppose Printed Vote - 58%
Supports Printed Vote - 36%
Don’t Know - 7%


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on August 19, 2021, 06:08:07 PM
Former president Fernando Henrique Cardoso endorsed São Paulo governor João Doria in the PSDB primary, which will take place early 2022. The biggest competitor is Rio Grande do Sul governor Eduardo Leite.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on August 26, 2021, 04:27:01 PM
Today, Brazil overtook the USA in the share of the population who received at least 1 shot of the anti-covid19 vaccine. Now, 61% of the Brazilians received at least one shot.
The number of anti-vaxxers in Brazil is much lower than in some high income countries.
The vaccination in Brazil was slow due to the scarcity of doses and not due to anti-vaxxers. Much more than 61% of the people who had the opportunity to take one shot have done it. Many cities are starting to offer shots to under 18 year old people only today.
The share of the population who took the 2 shots in Brazil is still low because the interval between the 2 AstraZeneca shots in Brazil has 12 weeks.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on August 26, 2021, 08:54:17 PM
Brazil has the same vaccination strategy as Argentina: Have a larger gap between 1st and 2nd doses because the priority is to get as most people as possible with some level of protection, so there was more emphasis on 1st dose. Besides, studies show that a larger gap can be even more effective in protecting.

I think it was good strategy, especially with the rise of Delta now and the info that efficiency reduces with time (may be necessary for vaccination to be a constant yearly thing). Imagine old people getting 2nd dose in March and heading into September with Delta variant so strong? Would be terrible.

Glad about the strategy, glad about Brazilians strongly adhering to vaccination and glad for the good numbers (61,4% with at least 1 dose and 26,8% fully vaccinated). All adult ages already had practically their date to get 1st dose in the main cities, so in the next weeks we will likely see adolescents get their 1st dose and after that 2nd dose numbers will likely speed up as quickly as the 1st dose ones have been so far. Some places are also establishing a 3rd dose for older people and also to people with comorbidities.

I’m in my 20s and already got the 1st dose of the Pfizer vaccine around two weeks ago. My 2nd dose is scheduled for Early November but I think my city will want to speed things up after they finish giving the teenagers their 1st dose, so I’m kinda expecting to get it in October.

Rio de Janeiro city, Considering only 12+ year olds (public who are allowed to get the vaccine):
1st dose: 87,3% vaccinated
2nd dose: 42, 7% vaccinated

Rio de Janeiro city, Considering all population (includes less than 12 yo who cannot be vaccinated):
1st dose: 74,8% vaccinated
2nd dose: 36,6% vaccination

Brazil all population average:
1st dose: 61,4% vaccinated
2nd dose: 26,8% vaccinated

Rio de Janeiro (city) is doing very well in the vaccination. Rio de Janeiro (state) is lagging a bit behind in comparison to other states in Southeast and South though. Not surprising, considering the Governor wasn’t “really elected”.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on August 27, 2021, 09:05:46 PM
Brazil has the same vaccination strategy as Argentina: Have a larger gap between 1st and 2nd doses because the priority is to get as most people as possible with some level of protection, so there was more emphasis on 1st dose. Besides, studies show that a larger gap can be even more effective in protecting.

I think it was good strategy, especially with the rise of Delta now and the info that efficiency reduces with time (may be necessary for vaccination to be a constant yearly thing). Imagine old people getting 2nd dose in March and heading into September with Delta variant so strong? Would be terrible.

Glad about the strategy, glad about Brazilians strongly adhering to vaccination and glad for the good numbers (61,4% with at least 1 dose and 26,8% fully vaccinated). All adult ages already had practically their date to get 1st dose in the main cities, so in the next weeks we will likely see adolescents get their 1st dose and after that 2nd dose numbers will likely speed up as quickly as the 1st dose ones have been so far. Some places are also establishing a 3rd dose for older people and also to people with comorbidities.

I’m in my 20s and already got the 1st dose of the Pfizer vaccine around two weeks ago. My 2nd dose is scheduled for Early November but I think my city will want to speed things up after they finish giving the teenagers their 1st dose, so I’m kinda expecting to get it in October.

Rio de Janeiro city, Considering only 12+ year olds (public who are allowed to get the vaccine):
1st dose: 87,3% vaccinated
2nd dose: 42, 7% vaccinated

Rio de Janeiro city, Considering all population (includes less than 12 yo who cannot be vaccinated):
1st dose: 74,8% vaccinated
2nd dose: 36,6% vaccination

Brazil all population average:
1st dose: 61,4% vaccinated
2nd dose: 26,8% vaccinated

Rio de Janeiro (city) is doing very well in the vaccination. Rio de Janeiro (state) is lagging a bit behind in comparison to other states in Southeast and South though. Not surprising, considering the Governor wasn’t “really elected”.


"Coincidence": the states in the Center-West, Southeast and South whose governors are more Bolsonaro's ally are the slowest in the vaccination. Rio de Janeiro (Claudio Castro), Minas Gerais (Zema) and Mato Grosso (Mauro Mendes).


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on August 27, 2021, 09:16:54 PM
Polls for 2022

Governor Rio de Janeiro - Exame Ideia - August 26th
Marcelo Freixo (PSB) 22%, Claudio Castro (PL) 21%, Eduardo Paes (PSD) 16%, Rodrigo Neves (PDT) 7%
Obs: I don't believe Paes will resign in order to run for governor. The mayor of the city of Rio de Janeiro is almost as powerful as the governor of the state of Rio de Janeiro

Governor São Paulo - Exame Ideia - August 26th
Geraldo Alckmin 19%, Fernando Haddad 16%, Marcio França 15%, Guilherme Boulos 14%, Skaf 7%, Garcia 5%, Val 4%, Poit 2%, Tarcísio 2%
Center-right (Alckmin+França): 34%
Left (Haddad+Boulos): 30%
Far-right (Skaf+Garcia+Val+Poit+Tarcísio): 20%


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on September 01, 2021, 10:36:51 AM
Genial/Quaest poll

Who do you want to see winning the 2022 election?
Lula 45%
Bolsonaro 23%
Neither Lula or Bolsonaro 25%
Don’t Know 7%

If all the people who don’t want either Lula or Bolsonaro unified under the same name, they could take Bolsonaro out of the runoff. Especially if this trend keeps going and his numbers get to < 20%.

This probably will never happen though lmao. Only if Bolsonaro manages to get even more unpopular than he currently is and his numbers drop to something like 10%~15%. But that would likely still benefit Lula more and indicate a 1st round win even if another name really surpasses Bolsonaro.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on September 01, 2021, 09:49:45 PM
People who don’t want either Lula or Bolsonaro are not an unified group. It is hard that all of them vote for the same candidate. There are 3 groups of people who don’t want either Lula or Bolsonaro.

1st: those who want something between PSDB and Bolsonaro. They really want someone on the right of the PSDB and they dislike Bolsonaro because his stupidity and not because of the ideology. Rodrigo Pacheco, João Amoedo, Sergio Moro, Luciano Huck and Henrique Mandetta are good names for this group. MBL feets into this category.

2nd: PSDB

3rd: those who want something between PT and PSDB. Their best candidates are Ciro Gomes and Marina Silva. If Eduardo Campos was alive, he could be in this group.

If the candidate is the one who fits in the 1st group, members of the 3rd group could vote for the PT candidate in the first round. If the candidate is Ciro Gomes or Marina Silva, members of the 1st group could vote for Bolsonaro in the first round. A PSDB candidate needs to satisfy both the 1st and the 3rd group in order to have all the votes.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: PSOL on September 01, 2021, 11:02:07 PM
Who is Popular Unity endorsing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_Unity_(Brazil)


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on September 02, 2021, 12:38:36 AM
Ugh, I cannot decide if I hate and trash Lula’s extremely fake “conciliatory president of everyone” image he sells or accept it and embrace it as good political strategy. It’s such a Lula thing to do though, cannot be too mad knowing that he was always like this and doesn’t intend to change. But at same time I feel like vomiting with the performance act.

Sometimes I just want to scream and force him to position himself on lots of issues and call bad people for what they are instead of this nauseating “Father of everyone” crap. The calmness and borderline indifference in his speech can be comforting to lots of people, but not to me.

To people who aren’t familiar with his motto too much, Lula is the type of opportunist politician who will go to a religious event and pose for pictures with evangelical leader with homophobic beliefs who preaches for “gay cure” and act like he’s this person guided by religion. In the next day will go to left-wing event with trans people and kiss their ass saying how he feels emotional with the advances gained. When in reality, he cares about neither (religious values OR trans rights), he just wants everyone’s votes lmao

I think most of the decision process is not as much as ideology as it is about personality for most people, including myself. Style > Content.

I like Ciro way better because I feel more honesty in his anger and sometimes uncontrolled speech. It matches how I’m currently pissed about everything. I don’t want  “conciliation”, I want people responsible to everything that is happening to eventually PAY for their actions and crimes.

However, I get that Lula trying to emulate a balanced “good father who promises conciliation between everyone” passes some good christian guy vibes that are more appealing to people. Not even when he talks about the super-rich he adopts too much of a threatening rhetoric, it’s always pretty mild common sense stuff.

He will still use the narrative that he’s a father that needs to prioritize the needs of the son in the most need, as if we were all his children lmao. I hate but also kinda love that? It’s cynical AF and I hate politicians forcing this personalization of their images BUT at the same time I have to recognize that makes the political debate more inclusive to people who don’t necessarily pay as much attention to politics.

It’s very much a characteristic that comes from his more humble background, he really GETS how to speak the language of the people, real people. The way he always talks using simplified analogies and usually with some emotional moralizing message about helping including the poor is brilliant. You gotta respect how he manages to include people in the debate through his communication. That’s really important for a politician to have and something most people take for granted simply because they look at unprivileged groups with condescension, as if speech didn’t have to reach out to them. Lots of global establishment leftists could learn a lot with the unique way of how Lula communicates, because nowadays their speech isn’t really connected with real average people.

That said, I still get mad about the cynicism and the grandiosity vibes he tries to pass, always trying too hard to not compromise himself negatively against anyone. And it is NOT because he really believes in that “father of everyone” narrative, it’s because that way he doesn’t anger any sector of society way too much and expands his potential electorate. Smart, but sometimes I cannot stand people pushing the cringe PT propaganda as if he was supposed to be great kind God-like type of leader that reaches out to all of his children to justify taking pics with the trashiest trash of Brazilian society.

Just be honest and say you gotta get that religious vote that I will understand. Everyone (except maybe PSOL) has to do it anyway, so it’s not really a big deal to reach out to those people. But it’s very insulting to people’s intelligence to force that other narrative. Lula is not their father, neither he is mine. Not good excuse to avoid compromise!

I think for me to like Lula more he just needs to curse more and trashtalk people more often. That would make him more relatable to me (and specifically me). It’s not really a problem with his platform, which I tend to support more than I don’t. Although I wish he would give more focus to deindustrialization issues.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on September 02, 2021, 01:04:54 AM
Who is Popular Unity endorsing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_Unity_(Brazil)

Too early but most likely it will be PSOL if they have a candidate for 2022.

If not, then probably Lula.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on September 02, 2021, 09:03:41 PM
Who is Popular Unity endorsing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_Unity_(Brazil)

Too early but most likely it will be PSOL if they have a candidate for 2022.

If not, then probably Lula.

In the PSOL Congress last weekend, the thesis supporting an alliance with PT already in the 1st round had the majority of the votes. It still not the final decision yet, but the party is on the way to have an alliance with PT in the 1st round.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on September 02, 2021, 09:09:52 PM
Ipespe Poll in São Paulo September 1st

Governor
Geraldo Alckmin 23%, Fernando Haddad 19%, Guilherme Boulos 14%, Tarcísio 5%, Weintraub 3%, Rodrigo Garcia 3%

President
Lula 32%, Jair Bolsonaro 28%, Ciro Gomes 9%, João Doria 8%, Datena 6%, Mandetta 5%
runoff: Lula 47%, Bolsonaro 34%

São Paulo is usually a conservative stronghold. The left won a presidencial election there only in 2002, when Lula defeated José Serra by 55%-45% (the national result was Lula 61%, Serra 39%)
Fernando Collor 1989, Fernando Henrique Cardoso 1994 and 1998, Geraldo Alckmin 2006, José Serra 2010, Aécio Neves 2014 and Jair Bolsonaro 2018 won in São Paulo.
Lula is leading the poll there for 2022.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on September 05, 2021, 08:29:57 PM
There was no soccer game Brazil vs Argentina in the Qualifier of the 2022 Qatar World Cup. Officers of the Anvisa (Agência de Vigilância Sanitária) entered the field and said that the game could not continued because 4 Argentine players didn't respect all the protocols.
It is funny that usually no strict rules are seriously enforced, Brazil had a very high death rate in the pandemic, but the agents were very strict to the Argentine players.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on September 06, 2021, 02:05:55 PM
New Atlas poll

Runoff scenarios:
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1st round simulation:
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Opinion about the Bolsonaro government (Red = Bad/Awful; Yellow = Regular; Green = Good/Great):
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Approval ratings of multiple political leaders:
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Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on September 07, 2021, 08:46:18 AM
Major pro-Bolsonaro (and sometimes pro-coup) rallies expected today. We’ll see if he’s able to show his strength or just a paper tiger.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on September 07, 2021, 10:34:16 AM
Major pro-Bolsonaro (and sometimes pro-coup) rallies expected today. We’ll see if he’s able to show his strength or just a paper tiger.

Mixed bag. They weren’t insignificant but compared to the hype (and loads and loads of money, including international) being put into it, it feels kinda underwhelming?

Like, it shows his support isn’t dead and he still has a crazy loyal base but at same time it shows they only lost political space in the last year. There won’t be a coup and I don’t think he wins next year, but apparently he will always have a floor of support of around 15% minimum among society.

Which shows this new face of the right is here for the long term. People hoping for Bolsonarism to die in order for PSDB to return should be disappointed, because having a minimum of 15%~20% in elections means these people WILL NOT return to PSDB.

But I’m more confident we’ll get rid of him in 2022 now, if democracy is respected.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on September 07, 2021, 11:51:08 AM
The pro Bolsonaro rally in Rio de Janeiro took place at Copacabana Beach. Many retired generals live there, they are an important Bolsonaro base.
The anti Bolsonaro rally in Rio de Janeiro took place at downtown. I went there. It was not as big as the anti-Bolsonaro rally in June because few opposition leaders made advertising of the rally today. They had a fear of violent clashes between pro and anti Bolsonaro demonstrators. Even though, the anti Bolsonaro rally had a respectable size.
I didn't see any physical conflict between pro and anti Bolsonaro demonstrators. The distance between downtown and Copacabana is 10 km. While I was walking to downtown, I saw some pro Bolsonaro demonstrators wearing yellow T-shirts taking the metro. It was hard to find anyone under 60.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on September 08, 2021, 12:22:46 AM
Basically takeaway for people after today: Bolsonaro is weak enough to lose reelection and not be able to have a coup, but maybe not weak enough that he can be removed for the next year.

It’s kind of a political limbo tbh. He doesn’t control the majority of congress but opposition doesn’t have votes (or the fighting will) to impeach him either. The right is the one pushing the discourse because they’re energized even though they’re now in the minority. The left, although now has sympathy of the majority just because people cannot stand Bolsonaro anymore, is very complacent.

That’s one thing I blame PT, for kidnapping the left in many ways. I feel like people were grateful for the advances seen during Lula’s government that they were willing to adapt their agendas in order to be the most favorable as possible to PT. That’s something that just kills any large motivation the left could have.

The left needs to be angry side, inquisitive, curious and change driven, something the right is today. Many left-wing sectors sympathetic to PT castrated the left after the 2013 protests, as if the left shouldn’t protest if “an ally was in power”. As if the left was a mere tool to get PT elected and keep their leaders with big approval ratings.

That created a vacuum to be fulfilled, to canalize the dissatisfaction in society, something which the right occupied in the face of a duller left that was worried about sucking up to Dilma and the PT.

You kidnap the youth using this destructive “If you criticize us, that much worse option will be empowered” that is only party-interest driven, you suck all the energy out of people because they have nothing to fight for. No one gets energized to campaign for a party, they get inspired by ideas.

PT became old, not because of its ideas, but because of their refusal to renovate. Lula should’ve let the party have more freedom and stimulate new NATURAL leaderships to emerge in the party, instead of fabricating leaders and using the trust he has to push them into reality.

In my 20s, I see a lot of people around the same age bracket in the left that also have this idea. Some flirt with PSOL/Boulos as the new moral guide, others with Ciro Gomes… Many others are driven by nostalgia (or pragmatism of going for something you know) and support Lula but without that bright shine in the eyes that I think people had in the old days. And that’s what I feel the left is missing.

People still try to kidnap the youth energy with the fabricated polarization of “If you criticize something about Lula or not vote for him outright, you strengthen Bolsonaro”. THE SAME SPEECH they had in 2013 when people in the left protesting were supposed to be “stupid” for demanding positive changes because it was bad for PT!

Instead of capitalizing on that youth energy demanding positive change, “left activists” repressed it and allowed the right to emerge and fulfill the void. People could’ve pushed to motivate the left back then to go more to the streets so that the momentum wouldn’t have been stolen by the right.

The effects are seen to this day. The left is too scared and unmotivated to properly organize even when they’re back to being the majority, like now. I think Lula would be mostly a good president, like he was during his presidency, but the left desperately needs change and renovation. They need to dictate the conversation.

Otherwise Lula is elected and then what? He will pragmatically compromise to “Centrão” and have an even more centrist government than his first one. Because with a weak left, the base of support he will have to rely on is with corrupt “Centrão” that always kidnaps every government. And we already saw how that story ended in the first time, the difference is that they would do the same thing again much faster in the next time.

That “fall in line with the party” discourse is very destructive for any country. Without the youth’s soul, there’s no future to be constructed. And if there’s no future, only path is decadence.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on September 16, 2021, 03:46:43 PM
Datafolha Poll
September 13-15th

Rate Bolsonato's administration
Good/Very good 22%
Regular 24%
Bad/Very bad 53%


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on September 16, 2021, 04:30:38 PM
Datafolha Poll
September 13-15th

Rate Bolsonato's administration
Good/Very good 22%
Regular 24%
Bad/Very bad 53%

Changes from last poll from July indicate Bolsonaro keeps slowly falling while disapproval grows, lmao:

22% Good/Great (-2%)
24% Regular (0%)
53% Bad/Awful (+2%)

More than half of population hates his guts, a quarter is more meh and neutral about it and his supporters are now less than a quarter of the population. And this is because the multiple economic problems predicted for 2022 by analysts didn’t even really start yet, such as the energy crisis that I think it will get strong in Brazilian Summer (December 2021-March 2022). People are feeling effects of inflation but it’s still extremely light to what it could become if specialists are correct.

2021 really feels like 2001 in some ways. There were tons of blackouts during FHC’s 2nd term, which is when he started to get unpopular after a popular 1st term (which led to 4 consecutive presidential victories for PT).

DataFolha, alongside IPEC (ex-IBOPE), is one of Brazil’s most traditional polls, the one most people rely on. This new poll surely will make the government sh**t on its pants even more. It’s unimaginable that this person still has anything over a 20% approval, we should throw a party if it finally gets less than that.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on September 16, 2021, 08:13:31 PM


Translated:

In comparison with other presidents in the same period of their 1st term, Bolsonaro has the 2nd largest disapproval rating ever:

Collor - 68% Disapproval
Bolsonaro - 53% Disapproval
Lula - 23% Disapproval
Dilma - 22% Disapproval
FHC - 16% Disapproval

Of these:
Collor - Impeached during 1st Term
FHC - Reelected and finished both terms
Lula - Reelected and finished both terms
Dilma - Reelected but Impeached during 2nd Term
Bolsonaro - One finished term only????? Probably won’t be re-elected and neither impeached.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on September 16, 2021, 08:58:44 PM
DataFolha with more details:

Demographics with highest APPROVAL ratings for Bolsonaro:
- Entrepreneurs - 47% Approval
- People who don’t want to vote for PT, PSDB, MDB or PSOL - 38% Approval
- Evangelicals - 29% Approval
- Unemployed - 29% Approval
- Residents of the South Region - 28% Approval
All People average: 22% Approval overall

Demographics with highest DISAPPROVAL ratings for Bolsonaro:
- People who like PSOL - 85% Disapproval
- Homossexuals and Bissexuals - 73% Disapproval
- Students - 63% Disapproval
- Young People (Ages between 16-24) - 59% Disapproval
- Black Brazilians - 59% Disapproval
All People average: 53% Disapproval overall


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on September 17, 2021, 02:43:08 PM
More from Datafolha!

2022 election 1st round projection A:
Lula (PT) 44% (-2)
Bolsonaro (no party) 26% (+1)
Ciro Gomes (PDT) 9% (+1)
João Doria (PSDB) 4% (-1)
Henrique Mandetta 3% (-1)
Blank + Null Votes 11% (+1)
Undecided 2% (-)

2022 election 1st round projection B:
Lula (PT) 42% (-4)
Bolsonaro (no party) 25% (-)
Ciro Gomes (PDT) 12% (+3)
Eduardo Leite (PSDB) 4% (+1)
Henrique Mandetta (DEM) 4% (-1)
Blank + Null Votes 11% (+1)
Undecided 2% (-)

Runoff scenarios:
Lula (PT) 56% (-2)
Bolsonaro (no party) 31% (-)
Blank + Null 13% (+3)
Undecided 1% (-)

Lula (PT) 55% (-1)
João Doria (PSDB) 23% (+1)
Blank + Null 22% (+2)
Undecided 1% (-)

Ciro Gomes (PDT) 52% (+2)
Bolsonaro (no party) 33% (-1)
Blank + Null 15% (-)
Undecided 1% (-)

João Doria (PSDB) 46% (-)
Bolsonaro (no party) 34% (-1)
Blank + Null 19% (+1)
Undecided 1% (-)

Lula (PT) 51%
Ciro Gomes (PDT) 29%
Blank + Null 19%
Undecided 1%

Basically the runoff leads from biggest to smallest are…
Lula +32 (vs João Doria)
Lula +25 (vs Bolsonaro)
Lula +22 (vs Ciro Gomes)
Ciro Gomes +19 (vs Bolsonaro)
João Doria +12 (vs Bolsonaro)

DataFolha also asked how much respondents trust the declarations from president Bolsonaro:
Never Trusts 57% (+2)
Sometimes Trusts 28% (-)
Always Trusts 15% (-)
Don’t Know 2% (-)

That last question is always good in order to know what is Bolsonaro’s floor of approval (how much lower it can get). The same poll that we previously posted indicates 22% approval (people who consider his government good or great) but only 15% always trust him unconditionally.

So from the 22% approval, only 15% are the real radical ones and the real Bolsonaro extremely loyal base while the other 7% still likes him but aren’t necessarily part of his cult of personality and won’t say yes to everything he pulls out.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on September 17, 2021, 08:31:41 PM
Datafolha in the state of São Paulo, where the result of the runoff in 2018 was Bolsonaro 68% Haddad 32%

Lula 31%, Bolsonaro 24%, Ciro Gomes 11%, Datena 9%, Doria 8%, Tebet 3%, Rebelo 1%, Pacheco 1%, Alessandro 1%


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on September 18, 2021, 05:27:19 AM
Was there a runoff result in this poll?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on September 18, 2021, 04:17:25 PM

Yes. Lula 49%, Bolsonaro 34%

post 500


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on September 18, 2021, 04:43:35 PM

In São Paulo State Lula has +15 lead overall???

It’s over, do we really have to wait a whole year in purgatory limbo in order to get this over with? São Paulo is a heavy PSDB state and people from the interior cities (not the capital) are very anti-PT. So much that since the return from democracy, the only time ever PT won presidential vote in São Paulo happened on 2002 but that’s when all the states except Alagoas voted for Lula anyways.

Even if the vote was tied in São Paulo, or with a low Bolsonaro lead, it would be indication of an easy Lula victory since the Northeast always goes heavily to him post-2002.

PSDB has also won every Governor election in São Paulo since 1994. But it looks like they have good chance of losing next year. Haddad, Márcio França, Boulos, Alckmin (Now outside PSDB, he could join PSD) are high profile names who will run and have good potential of votes. Who will even run for PSDB there, since Doria is hated there and will likely run for president instead anyways?

Honestly, even if Haddad is currently leading the polls there, I think Alckmin in PSD has better chance of winning once the campaign really starts. PSDB in São Paulo always takes off later because people aren’t necessarily PSDB partisans, they just default to it as the election date gets near because they prefer it to other available options and think they’re competent enough. In 2022 I think it will be Alckmin in PSD who will benefit from this more than whoever runs for PSDB.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on September 21, 2021, 03:47:53 PM
Not all brazilians agree with all this sh**t Bolsonaro spoke at the UN Assembly. He had "only" 55% of the valid vote in 2018.

Not everyone who voted for him agree with everything he says. Even though voting for him even not agreeing with everything he says is still a stupid decision.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on September 21, 2021, 05:41:04 PM
Well, at least around 15% more or less agree! And they tend to be very loud, unfortunately. And there are even more people, which even if they don’t agree, are complicit considering the vote intention Bozo still has!

Last Datafolha runoff poll per Region (only valid votes):

Southeast
Lula 59,5% vs Bolsonaro 40,5% (Lula +19,0)

Northeast
Lula 78,7% vs Bolsonaro 21,3% (Lula +57,4)

South
Lula 56,3% vs Bolsonaro 43,7% (Lula +12,6)

North + Midwest
Lula 60,9% vs Bolsonaro 39,1% (Lula +21,8)
——————————————————————
OVERALL average
Lula 64,4% vs Bolsonaro 35,6% (Lula +28,8)

As expected, Northeast is elevating the overall Margin victory to extreme high levels. But in all regions we’re seeing this massive PT gain over Bozo, considering that the only region Haddad won in 2018 was the Northeast. Now the current projection is that PT wins in all of them.

To evidence the drastic shift, here are the 2018 Results per region (only valid votes):

Southeast
Haddad 34,6% vs Bolsonaro 65,4% (Bolsonaro +30,8)

Northeast
Haddad 69,7% vs Bolsonaro 30,3% (Haddad +39,4)

South
Haddad 31,7% vs Bolsonaro 68,3% (Bolsonaro +36,6)

Midwest
Haddad 33,5% vs Bolsonaro 66,5% (Bolsonaro +33,0)

North
Haddad 48,1% vs Bolsonaro 51,9% (Bolsonaro +3,8)
——————————————————————
OVERALL average
Haddad 44,9% vs Bolsonaro 55,1% (Bolsonaro +10,2)

If we ignore the null/blank votes, that indicates that something like 24,9% of people overall are Bolsonaro 2018-Lula 2022 voters in Southeast; 9,0% in the Northeast and 24,6% in the South! Polarization definitely isn’t as strong as compared to some outside places and it isn’t due to multi-party options, as these people are voting for the party they voted against in 2018, which was PT!


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on September 22, 2021, 11:02:26 PM


Congrats PSDB for the 2% and being outside a top 5 in a presidential election scenario  ;P

And that’s because Bolsonaro is getting unpopular and losing votes… These people are simply not getting back to PSDB.

To be fair, it’s not assured Moro or Datena will really run (I doubt it) and I’m guessing something around half of their combined vote would probably go to PSDB.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on September 23, 2021, 04:17:56 PM
IPEC and other polls show good numbers for Lula. I think probably he will win, but I don't think he will have a huge margin.
In very early polls, when most people still don't care, always the most known candidates poll better. The calculation of the valid votes now is not adequate for the moment. Many "undecided" will still decide.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on September 27, 2021, 04:40:50 PM
News about 2022

Most of the polls used to consider that governor of São Paulo João Dória would be the PSDB candidate in 2022. But many PSDB state leaders are declaring now that they will endorse governor of Rio Grande do Sul Eduardo Leite in the primaries.

PSOL had its own candidates in the presidential elections of 2006, 2010, 2014 and 2018. However, the most recent PSOL congress approved the possibility of endorsing Lula already in the first round in 2022.



Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: LM Brazilian Citizen on September 30, 2021, 03:03:53 PM
https://www.poder360.com.br/poderdata/poderdata-lula-segue-a-frente-e-tem-40-no-1o-turno-bolsonaro-vai-a-30/

2022 presidential election poder360 poll:

1st round

Scenario 1 (with João Doria)

Lula (Worker's Party) 40%
Bolsonaro (no party) 30%
Ciro Gomes (Democratic Labour Party) 5%
José Luiz Datena (Liberal Social Party) 4%
João Doria (Brazilian Social Democracy Party) 3%
Luiz Henrique Mandetta (Democrats) 3%
Rodrigo Pacheco (Democrats) 2%
Alessandro Vieira (Citizenship) 1%
Aldo Rebelo (no party) 1%
Blank/null: 9%
DK: 2%

Scenario 2 (with Eduardo Leite)

Lula (Worker's Party) 43%
Bolsonaro (no party) 28%
Ciro Gomes (Democratic Labour Party) 5%
Eduardo Leite (Brazilian Social Democracy Party) 4%
Luiz Henrique Mandetta (Democrats) 3%
José Luiz Datena (Social Liberal Party) 2%
Rodrigo Pacheco (Democrats) 1%
Alessandro Vieira (Citizenship) 1%
Aldo Rebelo (no party) 1%
Blank/null: 10%
DK: 1%

https://www.poder360.com.br/poderdata/lula-vence-tucanos-joao-doria-e-eduardo-leite-com-38-pontos-de-vantagem/

2nd round

Lula 56% vs. Bolsonaro 33%
Doria 46% vs. Bolsonaro 35%
Ciro 46% vs. Bolsonaro 36%
Leite 44% vs. Bolsonaro 34%
Lula 53% vs. Doria 15%
Lula 53% vs. Leite 15%


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on September 30, 2021, 05:29:21 PM
New IPESPE poll

Scenario 1
Lula 43% (-3)
Bolsonaro 28% (+4)
Ciro Gomes 11% (+1)
João Doria 5%
Henrique Mandetta 4%
Rodrigo Pacheco 2%

Scenario 2
Lula 42%
Bolsonaro 25%
Ciro Gomes 9%
Sérgio Moro 7%
Henrique Mandetta 3%
Datena 3%
Eduardo Leite 3%
Simone Tebet 1%
Rodrigo Pacheco 1%

Runoff simulations
Lula 50% vs Bolsonaro 31%
Lula 53% vs Sérgio Moro 34%
Lula 49% vs Ciro Gomes 30%
Lula 49% vs Eduardo Leite 30%
Lula 50% vs João Doria 27%
Ciro Gomes 45% vs Bolsonaro 34%
Eduardo Leite 36% vs Bolsonaro 33%
João Doria 39% vs Bolsonaro 35%


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on October 01, 2021, 07:49:29 PM
Governor Rio de Janeiro - Real Time Big Data - September 28th

Marcelo Freixo (PSB, former PSOL member, left): 25%
Claudio Castro (PL, far-right, Bolsonaro's ally): 18%
Rodrigo Neves (PDT, center-left): 9%
Felipe Santa Cruz (no party yet, center): 2%


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on October 02, 2021, 04:34:33 PM
Mass protests in Brazil call for Bolsonaro's impeachment.
Since almost all adults had at least one dose, more people have courage to go. Even though, everybody wear masks. It is still necessary.
The demonstration was very big in São Paulo, at Avenida Paulista, and Rio de Janeiro, at Avenida Rio Branco.
I went to the demonstration in Rio de Janeiro

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/02/mass-protests-in-brazil-call-for-bolsonaros-impeachment


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on October 04, 2021, 06:48:45 PM
According to Pandora Papers, the Minister of Economy Paulo Guedes has US$9.5M in offshore in the British Virgin Isles. President of the Central Bank Roberto Campos Neto has 2 companies in Panama and 2 companies in Bahamas.
It's not illegal to have large amount of money in tax heavens, but it's not very ethical for the 2 most important leaders of the Brazilian economy.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: SnowLabrador on October 05, 2021, 05:43:19 AM
I still firmly believe that Bolsonaro is going to stay in office. The only thing that can change my mind is him being forced out. Even if he loses re-election, he could still stay in office through a coup, like what Trump tried here. Maybe I'm just a chronic pessimist, but he's not going quietly.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on October 05, 2021, 09:40:26 AM
He can try a coup if he loses, but it won't succeed.

Hopefully the cost in human lives in such an eventuality won't be too high.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on October 22, 2021, 05:03:24 PM
The Senate Inquiry of the mismanagement of the pandemic finished its job. The final report accused Jair Bolsonaro, his son, some doctors, some pastors and some business people of crimes like advertising fake cures, like the cloroquine, and to advice people to not respect the restrictions established by governors and mayors. Bolsonaro is also accused of taking more time than the necessary to purchase the vaccines.
These misbehaviors are related to the extra number of deaths. There would be thousands of deaths anyway. But Brazil had 600K deaths in a population of 213M. This share is higher than the world average.
The report of the Senate is not enough to take Bolsonaro to a court. This task is responsability of the general attorney, who is a Bolsonaro's ally. The inquiry probably will not take Bolsonaro, his family and his allies to the prison, but it was very important to make him weaker politically.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on October 22, 2021, 06:07:10 PM
Did the report include anything about the Covaxin scandal?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: SnowLabrador on October 22, 2021, 06:25:05 PM
It should be slammer time for Bolsonaro, but it won't be. He's going to get re-elected, I'm sure of it.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on October 23, 2021, 05:56:17 AM
So you keep telling us, and you have surely done so enough times now.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on October 23, 2021, 06:42:18 AM
Did the report include anything about the Covaxin scandal?

Yes


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on October 24, 2021, 08:44:21 AM
And because people turning into crocodile hybrids from COVID-19 vaccines wasn't enough , Bolsonaro has now shared another similar conspiracy theory

The Covid vaccine will weaken your immune system and somehow that will give you HIV-AIDS


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on October 25, 2021, 05:59:48 AM
Facebook and Instagram have taken down Bolsonaro’s live transmitted on Wednesday where he created a link between the Covid vaccines and getting AIDS.

At least the crocodile conspiracy was fun.

This man is the biggest caricature of the Latin American right, ladies and gents.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on October 26, 2021, 06:35:31 PM
And because people turning into crocodile hybrids from COVID-19 vaccines wasn't enough , Bolsonaro has now shared another similar conspiracy theory

The Covid vaccine will weaken your immune system and somehow that will give you HIV-AIDS

Even people who voted for Bolsonaro in 2018 and are willing to vote for him again in 2022 don't believe in this sh**t. The vaccination rate in Brazil is high.
If you rate the level of stupidity from 0 to 100, people who believe in all Bolsonaro's hoaxes have a 100 level of stupidity. People who don't believe in his hoaxes but still think he is doing a good administration have a 90 level of stupidity.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: SnowLabrador on October 27, 2021, 06:05:48 AM
So Trump has endorsed Bolsonaro for reelection. Make of that what you will.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on October 27, 2021, 07:02:21 AM
A major shock if he had done anything else?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: LM Brazilian Citizen on October 28, 2021, 08:27:09 AM
2022 presidential election poder360 poll:

https://www.poder360.com.br/poderdata/poderdata-moro-volta-pontua-de-7-a-8-e-desidrata-nomes-da-3a-via/

Scenario 1

Luís Inácio Lula da Silva(Worker's Party) 35%
Jair Bolsonaro (no party) 28%
Sérgio Moro (We Can) 8%
Ciro Gomes (Democratic Labour Party) 5%
João Doria (Brazilian Social Democracy Party) 4%
Luiz Henrique Mandetta (Brazil Union) 4%
José Luiz Datena (Brazil Union) 3%
Alessandro Vieira (Citizenship) 3%
Rodrigo Pacheco (Social Democratic Party) 1%

blank/null: 7%
don't know: 2%

Scenario 2 (with Eduardo Leite)

Lula (Worker's Party) 34%
Bolsonaro (no party) 30%
Ciro (Democratic Labour Party) 7%
Moro (We Can) 7%
Mandetta (Brazil Union) 4%
Datena (Brazil Union) 4%
Leite (Brazilian Social Democracy Party) 3%
Vieira (Citizenship) 3%
Pacheco (Social Democratic Party) 1%

blank/null: 6%
don't know: 1%

2nd round

Bolsonaro 37% vs. Lula 52% (-8%)
Bolsonaro 38% vs. Doria 46% (-3%)
Bolsonaro 36% vs. Leite 40% (-6%)
Lula 51% vs. Doria 16% (-3%)
Lula 48% vs. Leite 18% (-8%)




Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on November 13, 2021, 04:50:39 PM
Lula is in a trip to Europe. He met Olaf Scholz. I hope a good partnership between these social democrats leaders in 2023. The 5th and the 8th world's biggest GDPs can have great gains in cooperation.
https://twitter.com/LulaOficial/status/1459244711806480386

Remembering that when Lula was a union leader, he met Helmut Schmidt in 1981.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on November 28, 2021, 08:45:18 AM
In the official Twitter account of the PSDB, yesterday, we could read that the primaries of the party would share the attenction with the final of the Libertadores da America tournment. The relevance of this primary, won by João Dória against Eduardo Leite, was overrated.
PSDB candidates poll no more than 5%.
According to a 2019 Datafolha poll, Flamengo has the preference of 20% of the brazilians. Palmeiras has the preference of 6%. So, the game yesterday had the interest of ~1/4 of the Brazilian population.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on November 30, 2021, 03:32:49 PM
Now, it is official: Bolsonaro became a member of the Partido Liberal. This party has the same name of the Trudeau's party, although they are very different.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on January 25, 2022, 03:33:47 PM
Covid denialist and Bolsonaro ally Olavo de Carvalho died of virus, says daughter

Rightwing radical was a towering figure in Brazil who was adored and abhorred in equal measure by millions of followers and foes

Olavo de Carvalho, the coronavirus-denying mentor of Jair Bolsonaro and Brazil’s radical right, has died in the United States, with one of his children citing Covid-19 as the cause.

“The family … asks for prayers for the professor’s soul,” relatives said on Twitter after announcing the death of the 74-year-old polemicist – a towering figure in contemporary Brazilian politics who was adored and abhorred in equal measure by millions of followers and foes.

The statement did not say how Carvalho – a former astrologer who repeatedly trivialized Covid as the “moronavirus” – had died. However, his estranged daughter, Heloísa de Carvalho, said coronavirus was the cause.

“He has blood on his hands,” she told the magazine Veja, blaming her father’s “denialist ideas” and dissemination of fake news for the Brazilian government’s delay in purchasing Covid vaccines. “But I do not celebrate his death.”

Bolsonaro – whose shock 2018 election was turbocharged by Carvalho’s extreme and often expletive-ridden teachings – lamented the loss of “one of the greatest thinkers in our country’s history” and declared a national day of mourning. “Olavo was a … beacon for millions of Brazilians,” Brazil’s ultraconservative president claimed.

The president’s son, Eduardo, also celebrated the pipe-smoking septuagenarian whose influence was such that he reputedly named several members of Bolsonaro’s cabinet despite having lived in the US since 2005.

Progressive Brazilians – disgusted by the leading role they claim Carvalho played in poisoning their country’s social and political life and spreading life-threatening misinformation about Covid – rejected such eulogies.

Before his death Carvalho continually minimized coronavirus – which has killed nearly 625,000 Brazilians and 5.6 million people globally – peddled conspiracies about its origins, and attacked those trying to slow its spread. It is unclear if he had been vaccinated.

In May 2020, as Covid pummeled South America, Carvalho tweeted: “The fear of a supposedly deadly virus is nothing more than a little horror story designed to scare the population and make them accept slavery as they would a present from Father Christmas.”

Carvalho branded containment measures “the most enormous and sordid crime ever committed against the entire human species” and once alleged the global health emergency “simply doesn’t exist”. On another occasion he said only “a perfect fool” would believe the spread of the “Chinese virus” was accidental.

“Does the moronavirus really kill people or does he just help them become statistics?” he wondered last January as Brazil’s death toll rose to over 200,000.

When Twitter deleted one of Carvalho’s posts for violating its rules on spreading harmful or misleading information about Covid, he told the company’s then president Jack Dorsey: “You can stick your network up your” buttocks.

Felipe Neto, one of Brazil’s top online influencers, tweeted: “The far right will now try to turn Olavo de Carvalho into a martyr, a hero. Olavo is one of the main culprits for the sea of mud into which we have sunk.”

Journalist André Fran wrote: “My condolences to all those whose relatives have fallen victim to the Bolsonarista hatred and denialism that Olavo did so much to a disseminate.”

Carvalho’s daughter also had harsh words for her father, who was reportedly diagnosed with Covid on 16 January. “May God forgive him all the evil he has done,” she tweeted, recalling losing a friend to Covid on the day her father falsely claimed the world had not seen a single confirmed death. “She was a widow and left three orphaned children under the age of 10.”

Brian Winter, a Brazil specialist who interviewed Carvalho at his rifle-filled Virginia home, said Bolsonaro’s guru had helped import “a kind of tropicalized Fox News culture focused on gender, guns and anti-globalism”.

Winter said during the first decade of this century – as Brazil flourished under the leftist government of Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva – Carvalho was widely considered a “crazy crank”. However, during the 2010s, as the country sank into profound recession and political turmoil, his intellectual-sounding “profanity-laced vitriol” against the left suddenly gained traction. Bookshops sold hundreds of thousands of copies of his most famous work, The Least You Must Know to Avoid Being an Idiot – a tome Bolsonaro promoted after winning power.

Winter remembered first seeing Carvalho’s name at a 2013 anti-government protest on a poster reading: “Olavo was right.”

“He and Bolsonaro were products of the titanic trauma that Brazil endured during the 2010s: the worst recession in a hundred years, the collapse of the political establishment, corruption scandals everywhere you looked, 70,000 homicides a year. Out of this despair, he and Bolsonaro happened to emerge as the winners because they sounded so radically different from anything that happened before. That was their appeal.”

Many believe that appeal is now fading, with former president Lula seemingly poised to trounce Bolsonaro in October’s election.

“Part of the struggle Bolsonaro is having now is that he’s still going around talking about gun rights and gender and these other Olavista ideas in a Brazil where people just want solutions to the pandemic, hunger and unemployment,” Winter said.

“Bolsonaro is playing the Olavista oldies and most Brazilians want to be hearing something else.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/25/covid-denialist-bolsonaro-ally-olavo-de-carvalho-dies-coronavirus


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: T'Chenka on January 31, 2022, 10:48:17 AM
Covid denialist and Bolsonaro ally Olavo de Carvalho died of virus, says daughter
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on January 31, 2022, 04:00:20 PM
Covid denialist and Bolsonaro ally Olavo de Carvalho died of virus, says daughter
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Probably the direct cause of his death was not the coronavirus. He was already very sick in the last year. The virus might have accelarated some days what was predicted to happen. He had cancer. And he was a denialist of the effects of the tobacco.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Rat on February 02, 2022, 01:27:06 PM
Did Marina Silva pass up on running this election?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on February 02, 2022, 05:01:05 PM
Did Marina Silva pass up on running this election?

She doesn't have the intent to run again. There is the possibility of her to become Ciro Gomes's running mate.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: SnowLabrador on February 03, 2022, 07:55:28 AM
I truly believe Bolsonaro will win reelection.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Flyersfan232 on February 03, 2022, 08:37:05 AM
I truly believe Bolsonaro will win reelection.
Y


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: SnowLabrador on February 03, 2022, 08:48:36 AM

Because we live in the darkest timeline.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on February 03, 2022, 10:19:50 AM

Because they are addicted to mopium.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on February 05, 2022, 03:56:37 PM
German citizen Nikolai Nerling was sentenced in his birth country for Holocaust denial. He fleed to Pomerode, a citizen in Santa Catarina, southern Brazil, created by late 19th early 20th century German immigrants. In Pomerode, Jair Bolsonaro had 85% in the runoff in 2018
https://oglobo.globo.com/mundo/condenado-por-negar-holocausto-influenciador-alemao-de-extrema-direita-se-abriga-no-brasil-segue-com-discurso-de-odio-25381739


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on February 08, 2022, 07:55:23 PM
Hot topic in the Twitter in Brazil today:

Monark, a pundit who participates in a podcast, said that there should be a legally recognized nazi party, that it means free speech, and that if someone wants to be anti-jew, someone should have the right to be. Last year, Monark has already said that people should have the right to be racist and homophobic.
Many politicians, academics and even the German Embassy reacted to this disgusting speech. There is an increasing pressure on the sponsors of this podcast.
Nazi propaganda and nazi parties are outlawed in Brazil.
Glenn Greenwald had another view: he considered that Monark was no more than supporting free speech and used the USA as an example, where free speech protects the possibility of nazi organizations and nazi propaganda.
Some right-wing people used their traditional false simetry: "OK, nazism should be outlawed, but communism should be outlawed too"


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on February 09, 2022, 01:44:18 AM
It depends on whether you think the US approach or the Germany approach to this is the correct one.

I think the Germany one is the more correct one tbh, some stuff (like a Nazi party existing not being something against the law) shouldn’t be allowed for the sake of “freedom of speech” when it’s literally based on erasing the existence of others.

There isn’t a thing such as complete individual freedom, otherwise we would be able walk naked on the street in the name of personal expression and do lots of other stuff.

The argument of US ideology being historically selective on freedom is very good too. In practice, this ends up benefiting more specific groups over more vulnerable ones. And that is tied with a lot of current problems they are facing nowadays, that country isn’t good example to be followed.

That said, I strongly disagree with the people calling Monark a literal Nazi simply for defending that “freedom of speech” argument and demanding that he needs to go to prison.

What he said is no different from dumb bar talk from people somewhat interested in discussing politics and reflecting on concepts they like but not having that much of a well-structured position. Which is irresponsible to be publicly in a podcast, but far from criminal as he was defending the “freedom of speech” argument/concept and not nazism.

Criticism and even getting fired from the podcast (the company can do whatever they want) is fair game, but I think many people are taking their previous dislike of the podcast when defending to take this to the criminal sphere. And also it’s about wanting to set a precedent so that actual Nazis aren’t emboldened, I don’t think they actually believe Monark is an extremist more than they think he’s dumb stoner that is easy target to be used as an example.

Monark is very stupid though. If you want to defend the freedom argument there are lot of ways to do it without saying the phrase “I think a Nazi party should be allowed to exist” publicly just to show that you’re very liberal (in terms of individual freedoms), edgy and deconstructed.

This is literally our version of the Joe Rogan discussion on what people should be allowed to talk about in public regardless of how dumb it is because of how it may affect others or not. I am kinda conflicted though. I do think these influencers should have more responsibility on how they express themselves but I don’t really like the enforcement methods and how people decide so easily what is acceptable to be voiced or not.

I understand people who say that this “justice by force” mentality is something that can turn against society whenever the population mood shifts. Today everyone hates Bolsonaro and wants to condemn right-wing extremism or even the minimal and smallest hint of it. But you know that there will be a time again (just like 2015-2019) where everyone will see communism in everything and will use the same populist arguments to persecute people on the left. And they will also say it’s false symmetry because in their view “Nazism is dead and communism is the real dangerous threat at the moment”.

Speaks a lot to political culture of each place tbh. I don’t like much of the overly paternalistic culture we have around here, such as the “Crime against honor” laws where if you offend the “honor” of anyone you can get sued. But I am not a fan of the US culture where everything is fair game in the name of individual rights either. There must be some kind of balance imo.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on February 16, 2022, 07:10:10 PM
Bolsonaro made his official visit to Russia.
One of his duties was visiting the memorial of the Red Army soldiers who fought in the WW2. Funny!
Unlike Macron and Scholz, Bolsonaro didn't sit in the big table. He sat closer to Putin.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on April 11, 2022, 07:12:52 PM
Brazilian newspaper Folha de S. Paulo committed a "technical error": around 12am Brazilian local time, the newspaper announced in its website the death of Queen Elizabeth “at the age of XX”, died “as a result of XXXXXXXX”. The article told “Elizabeth will go down in history as the longest-reigning British sovereign,”.
Few minutes after that, the newspaper recognized the technical error. Probably, many newspapers in the world have a ready obituary of the Queen Elizabeth II. Maybe, an intern wrongly published the obituary, with the XX to be replaced to the age and the cause of the death when the event really takes place.


Dead wrong: Brazilian newspaper ridiculed after saying Queen has died
Folha de São Paulo blames ‘technical error’ for website’s premature obituary for British monarch
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/11/dead-wrong-brazilian-newspaper-ridiculed-after-saying-queen-has-died


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: NewYorkExpress on May 30, 2022, 02:43:15 PM
Two years to the day after George Floyd's death, a mentally ill black man was murdered by police in Umbauba. (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/26/brazil-mentally-ill-black-man-dies-gas-police-car)

Quote
Brazilians have responded with outrage to the death of a mentally ill Black man who was bundled into the back of a police car by officers who then released a gas grenade inside the vehicle.

Genivaldo de Jesus Santos, 38, was stopped by the federal highway police in the city of Umbaúba on Wednesday. Video footage of the incident shows two officers in helmets holding the car boot closed on his thrashing legs, as clouds of gas billow out of the vehicle.

“They’re going to kill the guy,” an onlooker can be heard saying, as Santos’s legs go still.

An autopsy report confirmed on Thursday that Santos had died of asphyxiation. HIs death came two years to the day after George Floyd was killed in Minneapolis by a white police officer who was later found guilty of murder.


According to his family, Santos suffered from schizophrenia, for which he took medication.

Santos’s nephew Alisson de Jesus, who witnessed the incident said he had warned the police that the man was unwell before they released what he described as a teargas grenade. “It was a torture session,” he told the local press.

The horrific death has produced shock in Brazil, where lethal police violence is commonplace and disproportionately affects the country’s Black population. According to the Brazilian Forum of Public Security, police killed 6,416 people in Brazil in 2020. Almost 80% of the victims were Black.






Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on June 08, 2022, 06:30:00 PM
Fears for safety of British journalist missing in Brazilian Amazon
Dom Phillips disappeared on a trip to one of the remotest corners of the Amazon days after receiving threats

Fears are growing over the safety of a British journalist and a Brazilian Indigenous expert who have disappeared in one of the remotest corners of the Amazon just days after receiving threats.

Dom Phillips, a longtime contributor to the Guardian in Brazil, was last seen over the weekend in the Javari region of Amazonas state – a vast region of rivers and rainforests near the border with Peru.


https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/jun/06/dom-phillips-british-journalist-missing-brazil-amazon


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on June 16, 2022, 06:57:11 PM
No hope anymore.
Journalist Dom Philips and indigenous activist Bruno Pereira were murdered. They were traleving in a boat in the middle of the Amazon forest when they were shot. Dom was traveling to that region in order to write an article about illegal gold mining in the Amazon forest. Bruno had the intent to meet with indigenous leaderships. That land was a reservation for indigenous people, but it was invaded by illegal gold miners and drug dealers.
Dom Phillips and Bruno Pereira were not the first and unfortunately they won't be the last to be murdered trying to defend the Amazon forrest against different kind of people who have profit in deflorestation.
The rubber workers's union leader Chico Mendes, murdered in 1988, and american missionaire Dorothy Stang, murdered in 2005, were notorious examples.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/16/dom-phillips-and-bruno-pereira-police-find-bodies-of-two-men-in-search-for-missing-pair


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on July 02, 2022, 08:44:43 AM
The president of Portugal, Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa, had plan to have lunch with the president of Brazil Jair Bolsonaro. But since Sousa also scheduled a lunch with the candidate Luís Inácio Lula da Silva, Bolsonaro decided to cancel his lunch with Sousa.
So, Sousa will have lunch only with Lula.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Leading Political Consultant Ma Anand Sheela on July 02, 2022, 02:53:48 PM
The president of Portugal, Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa, had plan to have lunch with the president of Brazil Jair Bolsonaro. But since Sousa also scheduled a lunch with the candidate Luís Inácio Lula da Silva, Bolsonaro decided to cancel his lunch with Sousa.
So, Sousa will have lunch only with Lula.



Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Mike88 on July 03, 2022, 05:55:43 PM
Bolsonaro's actions in this "incident" are just evidence 4,682,027 on why he should lose the next election and be removed from office. A head of state cannot have childish attitudes or tantrums towards another head of state. However, Marcelo and his team knows how Bolsonaro is and works, and they could have perfectly managed meetings with both men, Lula and Bolsonaro, secretly to avoid issues. But, President Marcelo has a habit of planning his moves with surgical precision, so this could also be a response to that lunch, last year, where Bolsonaro mocked Marcelo and Portugal, and Marcelo wanting Bolsonaro to have a taste of his own medicine.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on July 03, 2022, 10:01:22 PM
It was totally a provocation to be meeting with Lula in an election year but:

A) Bolsonaro and his team/family loves to provoke basically every leader, from the Argentine president for the fact of his son being a drag queen to the French president by endorsing comments that his wife Brigitte is ugly. That naturally opens door for leaders to dislike and disrespect you as well. Marcelo didn’t seem concerned about losing the lunch meeting with Bolsonaro and still went to meet with Lula this Sunday and why wouldn’t he? Everyone in the world knows at this point that Bolsonaro isn’t a serious leader.

B) There are diplomatic ways to react to this stuff in order to not make it bigger news. No one knew the Portuguese president was visiting our country and Bolsonaro by cancelling the meeting and openly saying it’s because of Lula, creates more headlines and reinforces the idea about foreign leaderships loving the hell out of Lula while Bolsonaro is toxic for the country image. You basically give Lula the position of being the main political figure receiving foreign chiefs of state while he’s currently unelected instead of showing you can do that job just as good.

C) If there was a tension because of this political matter, you create even bigger tensions by making this be a big deal and cancelling the lunch. Story is that the Portuguese would send a big political team for the 200th anniversary of Brazil’s independence happening this September, from president Marcelo to prime minister Antonio Costa, alongside other officials. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was canceled (Either by Brazil or Portugal or both) now because of the awkwardness involved, as it would be weird meeting between Portuguese and Brazilian officials to say the least.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on July 03, 2022, 10:10:42 PM
This shouldn’t come as a surprise though. Lula is way more popular than Bolsonaro in Europe. They love the hell out of him over there.

Lula had a tour early this year in Germany-Belgium-France-Spain and had a relevant agenda in all of them, making a speech in the European Parliament while in Belgium and having official meetings with Olaf Scholz, Emmanuel Macron and Pedro Sanchez. The reception in France was particularly good, where he was received with chief of staff honors even if he’s not currently occupying any government position or is elected for anything, almost like as if he was the actual president (wouldn’t doubt that Macron also enjoyed sending some shade to Bolsonaro considering their personal beef).

Meanwhile, Bolsonaro never got a meeting with any of those leaders. The only European leaders that are willing to be seen with him are Viktor Orban of Hungary (because it’s the same brand of politician) and Vladimir Putin of Russia (mostly because of strategic BRICS convenience, but also some allignment with Bolsonaro social conservatism).


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on July 04, 2022, 05:45:18 AM
The only European leaders that are willing to be seen with him are Viktor Orban of Hungary (because it’s the same brand of politician)

Two peas from the same pod, indeed.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on July 04, 2022, 04:17:49 PM
In 3.5 years in the office, Jair Bolsonaro didn't have a bilateral meeting with a western European leader. He met some of these leaders only in g20 summits and in the WEF in Davos.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: NewYorkExpress on July 12, 2022, 02:10:52 PM
A Bolsonaro supporter murdered an official in Worker's Party. (https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/07/11/brazil-shooting-political-tensions-darlington-pkg-tgb-intl-vpx.cnn)


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on August 17, 2022, 07:54:48 PM
Congressman David Miranda, Glenn Greenwald's husband, is in the hospital, in a very bad situation. Last week, he started feeling not well in the intestine, and he had to go to the hospital. He is young and he used to be a healthy guy. His dog had to go to the vet because it has the same disease.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Mike88 on September 07, 2022, 06:15:07 AM
Happy 200th anniversary Brazil!!! :D :D :D



Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: buritobr on September 07, 2022, 06:24:38 AM
Happy 200th anniversary Brazil!!! :D :D :D



Obrigado!

In this video, we can see the meaning of the national dates and the history of the anniversary of the Brazilian independence in 1872, 1922, 1972 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkACtj7AIzc


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: President Punxsutawney Phil on September 07, 2022, 07:01:36 PM
Happy 200 years!


Viva Brasil!


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Alben Barkley on October 02, 2022, 07:54:28 PM
Looks like the polls underestimated Bolsonaro...


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: CumbrianLefty on October 03, 2022, 05:51:54 AM
Looks like the polls underestimated Bolsonaro...

Generally suspicious of "shy voter" theses, but in this case there may indeed have been a few who were unwilling to admit supporting the literal personification of evil.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Hope For A New Era on October 03, 2022, 09:31:50 AM
Looks like the polls underestimated Bolsonaro...

Generally suspicious of "shy voter" theses, but in this case there may indeed have been a few who were unwilling to admit supporting the literal personification of evil.

Standard "right-wing populist on ballot in two-candidate (or practically two-candidate, if not technically so) election" poll pattern. Opponent gets roughly their poll percentage, while the vast majority of "undecideds" vote for the RWP candidate.

You'd think polling companies would have figured this out by now and adjusted their polls accordingly. Apparently not.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Senator-elect Spark on October 05, 2022, 04:58:29 PM
If Bolsonaro loses, will he transfer power?


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: NewYorkExpress on October 09, 2022, 09:33:11 PM
Apparently Bolsonaro's proud of being a cannibal? (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/09/brazil-jair-bolsonaro-cannibalism-boast)

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It was a shocking statement, even for a politician who has glorified torturers and called for rivals to be shot.

“I’d eat an Indian, no problem at all,” Jair Bolsonaro bragged to a foreign journalist in 2016, as he described a trip to an Indigenous community where he had purportedly been offered the chance to consume human flesh.

Indigenous leaders have rejected Bolsonaro’s boast as yet another lie from Brazil’s far-right president. The Yanomami people from the territory Bolsonaro claims to have visited say they have never engaged in such acts.

However, footage of Bolsonaro’s cannibalism comments – first broadcast on his official YouTube channel six years ago – has gone viral on social media and been seized on by Brazil’s opposition as further proof of the president’s depravity.

“Bolsonaro has revealed that he would eat human flesh,” a television advert produced by Bolsonaro’s leftist rival, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, declared on Friday after the remarks were unearthed.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: FT-02 Senator A.F.E. 🇵🇸🤝🇺🇸🤝🇺🇦 on October 16, 2022, 01:35:29 PM


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Red Velvet on October 16, 2022, 06:43:06 PM
Bolsonarists in defense mode is fun. Now they will have to waste money on online ads saying Bolsonaro is not a pedophile. Already saw some.


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on October 16, 2022, 08:18:11 PM
Bolsonarists in defense mode is fun. Now they will have to waste money on online ads saying Bolsonaro is not a pedophile. Already saw some.

"I'm not a pedophile. I’m nothing you’ve heard. I’m you.”


Title: Re: Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!
Post by: NewYorkExpress on October 21, 2022, 06:45:46 PM
Bolsonarists in defense mode is fun. Now they will have to waste money on online ads saying Bolsonaro is not a pedophile. Already saw some.

"I'm not a pedophile. I’m nothing you’ve heard. I’m you.”

I almost wonder who Christine O'Donnell would have endorsed in this election.