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Title: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Thunder98 🇮🇱 🤝 🇵🇸 on January 12, 2019, 10:13:16 AM
Stacey Abrams is being considered to run against Purdue next week after talking with Democratic Pary leaders.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/11/stacey-abrams-senate-campaign-1097718 (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/11/stacey-abrams-senate-campaign-1097718)


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: ON Progressive on January 12, 2019, 12:42:16 PM
She would be our best candidate, and would certainly clear the Dem field.

I still would say Perdue is favoured, but I wouldn’t exactly like to be an incumbent with a mere +1 net approval.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: SnowLabrador on January 12, 2019, 01:48:19 PM
After the Republican won the Secretary of State runoff, I think that Abrams stands no chance.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: 😥 on January 12, 2019, 02:04:02 PM
Abrams has very, very little chance to win this race. Results of last year elections showed that Georgia is very inelastic


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: GoldenMainer on January 12, 2019, 02:09:53 PM
I'm keeping an eye on Teresa Tomlinson but I like Stacey as well.

What is the general analysis of Stacey's gubernatorial run? The Atlanta suburbs moved in our direction but was that anti-Trump or pro-Stacey? How was Democratic turnout in other areas?


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: 🦀🎂🦀🎂 on January 12, 2019, 02:15:09 PM
I like Abrams, but Georgia is fool's gold for democrats, even more so than Kentucky.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on January 12, 2019, 02:18:36 PM
I like Abrams, but Georgia is fool's gold for democrats, even more so than Kentucky.

Dems are beating expectations in the House in the 50 state strategy. Yes, the R's kept the red state govs. But, the 40 seat pickup in House proves 50 state strategy works. Abrams will be formidable☺


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: ON Progressive on January 12, 2019, 02:38:43 PM
After the Republican won the Secretary of State runoff, I think that Abrams stands no chance.

Abrams won't lose Cobb County and will do better than a 1 point victory in Gwinnett County, so I don't think you should be using that to say "Abrams stands no chance"


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on January 12, 2019, 02:55:20 PM
The 50 state strategy is working


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Pollster on January 12, 2019, 03:50:31 PM
Still of the belief that Abrams should sit this one out in favor of Tomlinson, and work the cycle to elect as many of her allies to the State Senate and House as possible in preparation for the 2022 gubernatorial election.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Xing on January 12, 2019, 08:23:42 PM
Only on Atlas would people that that a Trend R Trump +30 state is more likely to kick out an incumbent Republican Senator than a Trend D Trump +5 state. Sure, the fact that a Democrat would need to hit 50% against Perdue helps him, but in no universe is this race less likely to flip than Kentucky.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: QAnonKelly on January 12, 2019, 11:56:43 PM
Perdue has a tough fight ahead but I don’t see how he doesn’t pull it out at this point. The math just isn’t there yet. I think we’ll pick up Isakson’s seat in 22. I’d rather Tomlinson run this go around tho.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: cvparty on January 14, 2019, 11:07:40 PM
I'm keeping an eye on Teresa Tomlinson but I like Stacey as well.

What is the general analysis of Stacey's gubernatorial run? The Atlanta suburbs moved in our direction but was that anti-Trump or pro-Stacey? How was Democratic turnout in other areas?
she did really badly in the rurals/non-atlanta areas, even worse than clinton. if she’d maintained clinton’s margins she likely would have won


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on January 15, 2019, 12:09:58 AM
Abrams has very, very little chance to win this race. Results of last year elections showed that Georgia is very inelastic
She brought a perpetual 6-8 point loss for Democrats in this state down to 1 point and this is with heaps of voter suppression at work. Yall just say anything. LOL.

Still of the belief that Abrams should sit this one out in favor of Tomlinson, and work the cycle to elect as many of her allies to the State Senate and House as possible in preparation for the 2022 gubernatorial election.
This. There are quite a few seats in the Metro that could have flipped with a little bit more attention. She should just save her energy. Once this federal lawsuit plays out she will have a hook for her 2022 run against the architect of voter suppression in this state.

What is the general analysis of Stacey's gubernatorial run? The Atlanta suburbs moved in our direction but was that anti-Trump or pro-Stacey? How was Democratic turnout in other areas?
She turned out black voters heavy in the South Metro (Clayton, Henry, Rockdale, Newton), did pretty solid in Bibb, Muscogee, Chatham, and Richmond, got Latinos and Asians out huge in Gwinnett, ran it up with white progressives in Athens, Fulton, and DeKalb, and got some crossover voting from swingy/GOP-lite whites in Fayette, Cobb, Forsyth, and Cherokee. If you look at the results in counties like Oconee, Houston, and Columbia she obviously made inroads in these wealthy, white counties statewide. Will they flip? No. But she did pretty solid for a Democrat.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on January 15, 2019, 07:17:22 PM
I'm also very bearish on Georgia. It's a really tough nut to crack, but it is definitely moving closer to being competitive for Democrats, albeit glacially. As such, it's worth a shot to have Abrams run and see if she has better luck this time. I wouldn't hold my breath, but she did about as well as she possibly could have in 2018, and it was actually a pretty great showing, all things considered.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Shadows on January 15, 2019, 11:13:25 PM
Abrams should run in 2020.  This waiting for 4-6 years etc often means your time has passed & a new flavor comes along. Strike while the iron is hot.

Also 2020 is a Presidential race & will have strong turnout including among young people. When a Democrat beats Trump in 2020, turnout will be mediocre & will be low among young people.

I say she goes all in on 2020. She got it down to 1%. Half the people don't vote & this is a game of turnout. With strong turnout she can win. She is a phenomenal candidate. She can win & she should run !

Also Trump is @ the top of the ticket. If Dem have a good candidate, there is always a chance that Trump implodes !


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Calthrina950 on January 15, 2019, 11:45:52 PM
If Abrams runs again in 2020, she will lose again. And then she will talk about having another "do-over".....


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on January 16, 2019, 12:12:00 AM
I think this might actually work, if there is enough of a surge of new Democratic voters from top ticket enthusiasm, GA could flip and do so in a way that doesn't allow for much ticket splitting.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Roll Roons on January 20, 2019, 10:58:27 PM
Jon Ossoff considering. I'm sure that'll go great.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/421378-jon-ossoff-considering-2020-run-for-senate-in-georgia


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on January 23, 2019, 02:39:26 PM
She's back in Washington. Again. I think she's going to pull the trigger.



Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Stranger in a strange land on January 23, 2019, 03:29:50 PM
Jon Ossoff considering. I'm sure that'll go great.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/421378-jon-ossoff-considering-2020-run-for-senate-in-georgia

He had his chance and he blew it (though it MOSTLY wasn't his fault that the race got nationalized in a way that really wasn't helpful for him).


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Tekken_Guy on January 24, 2019, 08:42:38 PM
I think Abrams is the best candidate to beat Perdue. She’s well-known from her gubernatorial run and turnout will be much higher among Democratic-leaning demographics than in 2018. Also, she could help the Democratic presidential candidate win Georgia in 2020.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: QAnonKelly on January 29, 2019, 12:22:39 PM
https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/david-perdue-urging-trump-continue-wall-funding-push/UfP69GkBJxnoxqpwjHGOXI/

This mofo...


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on January 29, 2019, 02:02:36 PM


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: SnowLabrador on January 29, 2019, 03:28:45 PM
It's official. Stacey Abrams will deliver the response.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: President Johnson on January 29, 2019, 03:33:33 PM
Is she the best candidate to win the seat? It may be risky for her, because if she loses, she's probably done and can't run for governor again in 2022.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on January 31, 2019, 11:45:20 AM
Stacey Abrams reserved an ad for Fair Fight Action (her group pushing for electoral reform) to air during the Super Bowl. Will air in every GA market.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: InheritTheWind on January 31, 2019, 12:23:09 PM
Is she the best candidate to win the seat? It may be risky for her, because if she loses, she's probably done and can't run for governor again in 2022.

I mean, she'd probably have bad odds for winning in 2022 anyways — especially if Trump loses re-election — as rematches typically don't go well for the loser. She's better off striking while the iron's hot.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on February 11, 2019, 11:02:37 PM
Abrams verbally acknowledged for the first time that she is considering the Senate seat during a Thank You Tour stop in Gwinnett County tonight.





Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Calthrina950 on February 11, 2019, 11:21:12 PM
Is she the best candidate to win the seat? It may be risky for her, because if she loses, she's probably done and can't run for governor again in 2022.

Agreed. I think Perdue starts with an advantage, and this is a federal race. State elections, even in this polarizing time, are still somewhat less partisan than federal ones. And I think that Abrams's refusal to concede has probably cost her some goodwill among suburban voters.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Zaybay on February 12, 2019, 07:21:28 AM
What is with GA always getting these megathreads?


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Comrade Funk on February 12, 2019, 07:35:12 AM
Is she the best candidate to win the seat? It may be risky for her, because if she loses, she's probably done and can't run for governor again in 2022.

Agreed. I think Perdue starts with an advantage, and this is a federal race. State elections, even in this polarizing time, are still somewhat less partisan than federal ones. And I think that Abrams's refusal to concede has probably cost her some goodwill among suburban voters.
Or maybe people realize the election was rigged and these mythical white suburban voters angry about her lack of a concession are really actually angry about destroyed voter rolls?


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on February 12, 2019, 09:05:12 AM
What is with GA always getting these megathreads?

Because we're a fascinating state, of course.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Oryxslayer on February 12, 2019, 09:11:15 AM
What is with GA always getting these megathreads?

Because we're a fascinating state, of course.

Your just being peachy :P


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Del Tachi on February 12, 2019, 02:46:55 PM
What is with GA always getting these megathreads?

Because we have quite a few dedicated GA posters :)

Anyway, on topic, Abrams will lose spectacularly in 2020 because David Perdue has more of an established connection to suburban Republicans than Brian Kemp did in 2018, and Perdue can count on presidential turnout in a year where Trump will be on the ballot (as opposed to the more D-friendly demographics in 2018)


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Calthrina950 on February 12, 2019, 05:37:49 PM
Is she the best candidate to win the seat? It may be risky for her, because if she loses, she's probably done and can't run for governor again in 2022.

Agreed. I think Perdue starts with an advantage, and this is a federal race. State elections, even in this polarizing time, are still somewhat less partisan than federal ones. And I think that Abrams's refusal to concede has probably cost her some goodwill among suburban voters.
Or maybe people realize the election was rigged and these mythical white suburban voters angry about her lack of a concession are really actually angry about destroyed voter rolls?

A rigged election.......Of course.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on February 12, 2019, 05:45:31 PM
What is with GA always getting these megathreads?

Because we're a fascinating state, of course.

Several responses to Zaybay and no one mentions the word "DeleGAtion".


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Holy Unifying Centrist on February 12, 2019, 06:31:01 PM
What is with GA always getting these megathreads?

Because we have quite a few dedicated GA posters :)

Anyway, on topic, Abrams will lose spectacularly in 2020 because David Perdue has more of an established connection to suburban Republicans than Brian Kemp did in 2018, and Perdue can count on presidential turnout in a year where Trump will be on the ballot (as opposed to the more D-friendly demographics in 2018)

Suburban women will surely love Pushy Perdue who hid from sexual assault survivors in a bathroom


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on February 12, 2019, 07:12:55 PM
Anyway, on topic, Abrams will lose spectacularly in 2020 because David Perdue has more of an established connection to suburban Republicans than Brian Kemp did in 2018, and Perdue can count on presidential turnout in a year where Trump will be on the ballot (as opposed to the more D-friendly demographics in 2018)
Uh...no. Trump being on the ballot doesn't help Purdue at all. The bottom is going to continue to fall out across the Metro. Abrams did worse than Hillary in red rural Georgia (where the GOP is maxed out and losing population) and still continued to close the deficit due to huge swings in the Metro. Not to mention voters under the age of 45 (where Abrams absolutely obliterated Kemp) will make up a larger share of the electorate than they did in 2018. This race is a toss up.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: MT Treasurer on February 12, 2019, 07:32:23 PM
Yeah, seems like a lot of Republicans/Atlas posters are in denial about Georgia's rapid trend to the left. I really don’t buy that Perdue will significantly outperform Trump in places like Cobb or Gwinnett, and if he wins it won’t be with more than 51%. This race is a pure Toss-up and certainly more likely to flip than IA.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Xing on February 12, 2019, 07:41:49 PM
Considering how close Abrams came in 2018, she shouldn't be written off if the Democratic candidate seriously campaigns in Georgia in the presidential race.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on February 12, 2019, 08:23:56 PM
Yeah, seems like a lot of Republicans/Atlas posters are in denial about Georgia's rapid trend to the left. I really don’t buy that Perdue will significantly outperform Trump in places like Cobb or Gwinnett, and if he wins it won’t be with more than 51%. This race is a pure Toss-up and certainly more likely to flip than IA.
This. GOP couldn’t break past 52% in a low turnout runoff for Public Service Comissioner. LOL. A high profile, highly nationalized race with a liberal stalwart like Abrams in the race? It’s going down to the last vote.

House Speaker Ralston knows what the deal is:



Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: MT Treasurer on February 12, 2019, 08:33:11 PM
This. GOP couldn’t break past 52% in a low turnout runoff for Public Service Comissioner. LOL.

Raffensperger won Cobb and only lost Gwinnett by 1 and still only won by 4 points statewide, so that election was a rather daunting sign for the GA GOP. Even Abrams only lost by 1 statewide while doing several points worse than Clinton in rural GA.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Del Tachi on February 12, 2019, 08:54:34 PM
There's no reason to think Perdue will not be able to improve on Kemp's performance in Metro ATL during 2020.  153k votes for Trump in Cobb in 2016, compared with 138k for Kemp in 2018.  Similar stories in Gwinnett, Fulton, Bartow, etc.  Trump being on the ballot will also bring out more deplorables in the exurbs and rural GA to vote for him, whereas Democratic-friendly turnout in 2018 means Abrams doesn't have a lot of room to grow in places where she was already running an impeccable turnout machine (Metro ATL).

Unless the Dem nominee is winning Georgia handily on election night, Perdue is winning.  He's an incumbent with suburban/ITP cred running against a loser retread.  It's incredibly hard to see Abrams winning while Trump wins as well, and I'd say Trump's odds of winning are still much better than even.   

Also, how do our "Red Georgia" hacks square the fact that  he has a 45% approval rating, whereas Kemp and Trump lag significantly behind that number (https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/ajc-poll-shows-deeply-divided-georgia-and-tough-numbers-for-kemp/8dqIoXp1j5o0kujop427PN/)?  That's a function of Perdue's increased support in the Atlanta suburbs.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Adam Griffin on February 12, 2019, 10:50:52 PM
I really would prefer an Abrams rematch for Governor as opposed to this.

Anyway, Perdue's appeal is that he is basically Generic R. Of course he won't do as well as he did in 2014 in the metro (even Isakson's 2016 performance in some metro areas - despite winning statewide by 14 - should have been worrisome for the GAGOP), but he'll have to try to do worse than Kemp.

The conversation about how Abrams' post-election actions might hurt her with voters isn't concerning because it'd take Democrats or even long-term independents off the table for her, but rather, because the types who would be "offended" by that are the same people who voted Perdue/Deal/Isakson/Abrams. And GA's electorate is not exactly very likely to change much over the next year and a half - the midterm was basically a presidential (with ~95% of the 2016 turnout); a betting man would bank on the 2020 electorate along demographic lines looking very, very similar to 2018's.

Anyway, I think running a repeat election in GA against a far less offensive incumbent (who obviously has supporters who voted for you as well) two years out, in a more naturally polarized environment and under the same demographics (which means you're required to win many of those same former Republicans once again, who also have voted for your opponent) isn't the best idea and starts you off in a naturally worse position than in 2018.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Alabama_Indy10 on February 12, 2019, 10:53:55 PM
^i don’t see how Perdue is any stronger than a generic R. He’s only won one race. How or why would he have this supposed credibility with suburban voters (let’s put aside the fact that those voters are most likely perma Dems rather than swing voters at this point)

Perdue is generic R. And that is his strength.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: MassBlueDog on February 15, 2019, 11:25:48 PM
Why isn't Michelle Nunn getting any consideration?  Was she a bad candidate?


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: S019 on February 16, 2019, 01:02:48 PM
Michelle Nunn runs a humanitarian nonprofit now. I do not think she wants to leave her job. Also GA Dems have realized that nominating white moderates does not allow them to tap into the Atlanta vote as well. Nunn would be a good candidate, but Abrams is stronger. Also rematches usually end badly (See: WI 2016 (Russ Feingold's double digits lead evaporating and Feingold losing by 3 percentage points))


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on March 12, 2019, 12:26:55 AM
This is so cringe. These people are OBSESSED.



Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Roll Roons on March 12, 2019, 12:31:55 AM
This is so cringe. These people are OBSESSED.



This is so bad it's hilarious. Who is honestly paid to come up with these things?


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Storr on March 12, 2019, 01:14:10 AM
This is so cringe. These people are OBSESSED.



This is so bad it's hilarious. Who is honestly paid to come up with these things?

At least the fact they put this out means NRSC is worried about facing her, no matter how bad that...clip song thing was.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: OneJ on March 12, 2019, 01:23:50 AM
I don’t know what’s worse: this garbage or Nancy had a little Lamb.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Brittain33 on March 12, 2019, 08:45:43 AM
Cease and Desist Notice from Rockapella in 3, 2, 1...


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Pollster on March 12, 2019, 09:25:05 AM
This is so cringe. These people are OBSESSED.



ABC Family just picked this up for 13 episodes


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Sestak on March 12, 2019, 12:59:26 PM
I don’t know what’s worse: this garbage or Nancy had a little Lamb.

This is awful, but Nancy had a little Lamb was objectively worse.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: SnowLabrador on March 12, 2019, 01:13:35 PM
It's looking like Abrams might run for President instead. Ugh, we don't need more Presidential candidates. We need Senators.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: ON Progressive on March 12, 2019, 01:20:36 PM
I don’t know what’s worse: this garbage or Nancy had a little Lamb.

This is awful, but Nancy had a little Lamb was objectively worse.

I have to agree with this. At least this ad isn't downright painful to listen to, unlike Nancy had a little Lamb.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: S019 on March 12, 2019, 02:43:26 PM
I don’t know what’s worse: this garbage or Nancy had a little Lamb.

This is awful, but Nancy had a little Lamb was objectively worse.

I have to agree with this. At least this ad isn't downright painful to listen to, unlike Nancy had a little Lamb.

This is worse, at least Nancy had a little Lamb had good graphics, but the NRSC, should just air the Schumer-Abrams ads (Stacey Abrams is a vote for Chuck Schumer, NRSC is responsible for the content of this advertising) those will work better than this nonsense


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Suburbia on March 12, 2019, 02:53:06 PM
It is a funny, but weird advertisement.

Period.

Abrams would probably be better off running for Senate than President or maybe even against Kemp in GA GOV 2022.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on March 12, 2019, 11:19:13 PM


I'm ready for war. It's time to take Perdue DOWN.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: S019 on March 12, 2019, 11:36:40 PM


I'm ready for war. It's time to take Perdue DOWN.

Perdue is favored in this race. It is Lean R


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Adam Griffin on March 18, 2019, 04:49:02 AM
Crossposting this from the REAL GEORGIA MEGATHREAD:

A few days ago, I inexplicably began receiving emails/newsletters from Teresa Tomlinson (I'm a county party chair, so getting unsolicited political emails isn't necessarily new or surprising). I just opened my inbox this morning and in it was this.

She's running next year, and it looks like she's not concerned about what Abrams is planning to do (either that, or Abrams has already dropped from Senate and told Tomlinson privately):

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Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: ksd2000 on March 19, 2019, 11:56:23 AM
This is so cringe. These people are OBSESSED.

I'm cackling at the desperation.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: S019 on March 21, 2019, 10:46:53 PM
This is so cringe. These people are OBSESSED.

I'm cackling at the desperation.

Yeah, GOP ads are terrible, but this is better than Pete Hoekstra's Debbie SpendItNow, but that is a very low bar


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: QAnonKelly on April 04, 2019, 11:07:22 PM
Tomlinson had lunch with Schumer and co today


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on April 04, 2019, 11:50:54 PM
Tomlinson had lunch with Schumer and co today
I'm ready for whoever! I miss canvassing. :P


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: QAnonKelly on April 05, 2019, 09:49:09 AM
Tomlinson filed for an exploratory campaign today. Said she and Abrams are still trying to figure it out but just wants to be able to pay people without running afoul of the FEC


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: SnowLabrador on April 05, 2019, 10:02:41 AM
I'd still prefer Abrams.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Skye on April 30, 2019, 02:40:39 AM
It looks like Abrams is out:



Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: JG on April 30, 2019, 06:16:24 AM
It looks like Abrams is out:



Ugh. There goes a pick up opportunity.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: ON Progressive on April 30, 2019, 06:19:03 AM
It looks like Abrams is out:



Ugh. There goes a pick up opportunity.

Teresa Tomlinson is a perfectly fine candidate.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: S019 on April 30, 2019, 06:29:48 AM
50-48 Perdue over Tomlinson

If runoff:

Trump wins WH: 50-49 Perdue over Tomlinson

Dem wins WH: 53-47 Perdue over Tomlinson


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: SnowLabrador on April 30, 2019, 06:31:41 AM
Boo. Officially Likely R rather than Lean R.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on April 30, 2019, 06:36:10 AM
This really just took the air out of the balloon for me for 2020. The Dems are not taking back the Senate and everything they will debate and nitpick about in the primary is useless because McConnell will block everything.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: SnowLabrador on April 30, 2019, 07:00:32 AM
This really just took the air out of the balloon for me for 2020. The Dems are not taking back the Senate and everything they will debate and nitpick about in the primary is useless because McConnell will block everything.

Yes. Stacey Abrams really wants to protect voting rights, doesn't she? Well, in that case, the best way to do that is to join the US Senate and help pass HR 1.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on April 30, 2019, 07:28:53 AM
Safe R, Dems are disadvantaged in run-off elections aside from LA, especiall Espy and Abrams


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Zaybay on April 30, 2019, 07:49:12 AM
This really just took the air out of the balloon for me for 2020. The Dems are not taking back the Senate and everything they will debate and nitpick about in the primary is useless because McConnell will block everything.

Thats odd, I remember scheduling the weekly "#Demsindisarray Panic" for this Friday.....


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: RussFeingoldWasRobbed on April 30, 2019, 08:50:14 AM
Well this sucks. Now we're going to get some boring centrist.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on April 30, 2019, 10:28:25 AM
Who cares? No ratings change. Always has been Likely R, still is, and will remain dem fool's gold.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: ηєω ƒяσηтιєя on April 30, 2019, 10:29:42 AM
Looks like Teresa Tomlinson is running.



Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Stranger in a strange land on April 30, 2019, 10:41:18 AM
It looks like Abrams is out:



Ugh. There goes a pick up opportunity.

Teresa Tomlinson is a perfectly fine candidate.

Agreed. Sad fact is, Abrams was going to get slimed with the "sore loser" thing, even though, IMO, it's totally unjustified. I only learned who Tomlinson was when I read her name here this morning, but from a quick Google Search, she seems inoffensive enough that Biden could pull her over the line if he's winning by a decent margin.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: DrScholl on April 30, 2019, 10:48:54 AM
As long as Tomlinson knows how to campaign in the right places she has a good chance at winning. Just about every statewide race last year was close so it seems to me as if Democrats have built up a strong foundation to build upon moving forward.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Mycool on April 30, 2019, 10:57:29 AM
While I’m disappointed that Abrams isn’t running, I think Tomlinson will be able to build off of the foundation the Abrams campaign built. There’s still a real race here, and Tomlinson has an opportunity to define herself and Perdue.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Suburbia on April 30, 2019, 12:08:58 PM
Georgia is Lean R.

Isakson will probably retire in 2022, Abrams could win then, or run in a rematch against Kemp.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Sestak on April 30, 2019, 02:05:24 PM
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Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS on April 30, 2019, 05:00:05 PM
Jason Carter needs to run.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on April 30, 2019, 06:37:10 PM
This really just took the air out of the balloon for me for 2020. The Dems are not taking back the Senate and everything they will debate and nitpick about in the primary is useless because McConnell will block everything.

Thats odd, I remember scheduling the weekly "#Demsindisarray Panic" for this Friday.....
Can I be upset that my favorite politician isn't running for 24 hours? LOL. Tomlinson is fine but there is a massive gap in "quality" when we start talking about turning out low propensity voters of color. Money that would have been spent here if Abrams ran could be redirected to a NC or an IA. Anyway I hope Tomlinson has a massive field program on the ground a year before voting starts the way Stacey did. She didn't endorse in the Gubernatorial primary but she definitely was on Abrams's side when it came to how this state was going to flip vs the Evans/Roy Barnes/Max Cleland wing of the party.

Who cares? No ratings change. Always has been Likely R, still is, and will remain dem fool's gold.
Classic Atlas #analysis with nothing to substantiate such ridiculous claims.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Storr on April 30, 2019, 08:21:42 PM
Tomlinson will be a solid candidate. It may help with a significant number of rural voters that's she's Mayor of Columbus and not from the 'big city' Atlanta. You could run any generic D in Georgia and get 47%...the problem is the runoff (by which I mean avoiding it).


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on April 30, 2019, 08:40:09 PM
I said this in the main Georgia thread that I thought Sarah Riggs Amico would join in with Abrams officially out.... she is going to tour GA for the next few weeks. Her initial pitch she clings to her run for Lt. Gov with Abrams.



Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Adam Griffin on April 30, 2019, 09:05:38 PM
I really don't think the calculus regarding difficulty or feasibility of Democrats winning this seat changes all that much, but I know many do not agree with me. Both Abrams and Perdue (in 2014) won a less-than-meaningless chunk of the same voters, but I think her choosing to focus on 2022-GOV is probably the best bet for both her personal ambition and that of the party's - rightfully or otherwise, she managed to polarize an already polarized state (despite 2.5x the turnout of the runoff, Abrams lost by the same # of raw votes as Barrow/Miller, meaning she turned out 1 voter to oppose her for every 1 voter she turned out to support her), and a repeat election right after her previous one would not lead to a more favorable outcome in my view; how often has the opposite been true?

Perdue will be hard to beat, but if so many on Atlas are right about "muh inevitable suburbron shifts", then it's really not going to matter who is running for Senate so long as they're competent, right?

Tomlinson is who I'm betting on for now.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on May 01, 2019, 09:02:44 AM
Who cares? No ratings change. Always has been Likely R, still is, and will remain dem fool's gold.
Classic Atlas #analysis with nothing to substantiate such ridiculous claims.

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She is a B- tier candidate that barely did better than Clinton (and somehow even worse than her in rural areas hahahaha) against an awful GOP opponent in a dem wave year in a state shifting towards dems in a non-incumbent setting. She's nothing special, and people were fools for giving her much attention in the first place. We are losing out on nothing by her not running. Her or Amico, or Tomlinson, or Holcomb, or any other chump would lose by 3-8 points



Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: ON Progressive on May 01, 2019, 09:06:05 AM
Who cares? No ratings change. Always has been Likely R, still is, and will remain dem fool's gold.
Classic Atlas #analysis with nothing to substantiate such ridiculous claims.


She is a B- tier candidate that barely did better than Clinton (and somehow even worse than her in rural areas hahahaha) against an awful GOP opponent in a dem wave year in a state shifting towards dems in a non-incumbent setting. She's nothing special, and people were fools for giving her much attention in the first place. We are losing out on nothing by her not running. Her or Amico, or Tomlinson, or Holcomb, or any other chump would lose by 3-8 points
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She did significantly better than Clinton, especially in the suburbs. Please don’t talk about things you know nothing about.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on May 01, 2019, 09:07:17 AM
Who cares? No ratings change. Always has been Likely R, still is, and will remain dem fool's gold.
Classic Atlas #analysis with nothing to substantiate such ridiculous claims.


She is a B- tier candidate that barely did better than Clinton (and somehow even worse than her in rural areas hahahaha) against an awful GOP opponent in a dem wave year in a state shifting towards dems in a non-incumbent setting. She's nothing special, and people were fools for giving her much attention in the first place. We are losing out on nothing by her not running. Her or Amico, or Tomlinson, or Holcomb, or any other chump would lose by 3-8 points

She did significantly better than Clinton, especially in the suburbs. Please don’t talk about things you know nothing about.
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She did like 3-4 points better than Clinton in the state, and that was all in the suburbs, she did worse than Clinton in rural areas, pathetic! Absolute B- lister


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on May 01, 2019, 09:10:26 AM
Someone good like Stacey Evans would have beaten Kemp. Still held the same numbers everywhere, but do better in the rural areas to barely make it over the top. Abrams is a toxic fit for rural GA, did worse than Hillary there, sad!


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: ON Progressive on May 01, 2019, 09:35:41 AM
Someone good like Stacey Evans would have beaten Kemp. Still held the same numbers everywhere, but do better in the rural areas to barely make it over the top. Abrams is a toxic fit for rural GA, did worse than Hillary there, sad!

Anybody who watched her hilariously bad campaign in the primary knows this is patently false.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: RussFeingoldWasRobbed on May 01, 2019, 01:19:55 PM
Someone good like Stacey Evans would have beaten Kemp. Still held the same numbers everywhere, but do better in the rural areas to barely make it over the top. Abrams is a toxic fit for rural GA, did worse than Hillary there, sad!

Anybody who watched her hilariously bad campaign in the primary knows this is patently false.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Politician on May 01, 2019, 01:20:13 PM
Someone good like Stacey Evans would have beaten Kemp. Still held the same numbers everywhere, but do better in the rural areas to barely make it over the top. Abrams is a toxic fit for rural GA, did worse than Hillary there, sad!

Anybody who watched her hilariously bad campaign in the primary knows this is patently false.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Bidenworth2020 on May 01, 2019, 04:00:19 PM
Someone good like Stacey Evans would have beaten Kemp. Still held the same numbers everywhere, but do better in the rural areas to barely make it over the top. Abrams is a toxic fit for rural GA, did worse than Hillary there, sad!
Ever heard of something called turnout?


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: henster on May 01, 2019, 04:02:50 PM
Abrams had damaged herself significantly first with her conspiratorial assertion that she actually won the election. And then by going so national in liberal circles and shedding any kind of bipartisan image she was trying to sell in '18. People also forget she carried quite a bit of baggage as a candidate I still don't think her financial issues didn't not end up mattering, may have turned off white college educateds.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Zaybay on May 01, 2019, 05:07:19 PM
Abrams had damaged herself significantly first with her conspiratorial assertion that she actually won the election. And then by going so national in liberal circles and shedding any kind of bipartisan image she was trying to sell in '18. People also forget she carried quite a bit of baggage as a candidate I still don't think her financial issues didn't not end up mattering, may have turned off white college educateds.

Yeah, I dont think any of this stuff is really true. If voters dont factor in the longest government shutdown into their judgement 2 weeks after it ends, no one is going to remember that Abrams made "conspiratorial assertions" or "shed any kind of bipartisan image(?)".


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Some of My Best Friends Are Gay on May 01, 2019, 05:09:46 PM
Someone good like Stacey Evans would have beaten Kemp. Still held the same numbers everywhere, but do better in the rural areas to barely make it over the top. Abrams is a toxic fit for rural GA, did worse than Hillary there, sad!

Sure, maybe she would have done ~5% better than Abrams in rural areas... and black, Hisapnic, and college educated white turnout would have plummeted too.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: DrScholl on May 01, 2019, 05:14:02 PM
Abrams had damaged herself significantly first with her conspiratorial assertion that she actually won the election. And then by going so national in liberal circles and shedding any kind of bipartisan image she was trying to sell in '18. People also forget she carried quite a bit of baggage as a candidate I still don't think her financial issues didn't not end up mattering, may have turned off white college educateds.
She never said she won, what she meant was it was a moral victory. But considering who was running the Secretary of State's office there was a lot done ahead of time to tip the scales in his own favor.

Educateds is not a word. If you are going to talk down about someone you can at least use real words while doing it.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on May 01, 2019, 06:14:23 PM
Abrams had damaged herself significantly first with her conspiratorial assertion that she actually won the election. And then by going so national in liberal circles and shedding any kind of bipartisan image she was trying to sell in '18. People also forget she carried quite a bit of baggage as a candidate I still don't think her financial issues didn't not end up mattering, may have turned off white college educateds.
It was not a conspiracy. She has filed a federal lawsuit that lays out the case that there was rampant voter suppression that affected voters statewide. Enough voters that would have affected the outcome of the election I might add. Like she said in her speech ending her campaign she could have challenged the entire election but did not want an office if she had to scheme her way into it. When she says she won she means because she irrevocably changed Georgia's electorate (which she did).

White college educated voters swung hard to her so the rest of your post is false.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: S019 on May 02, 2019, 08:25:00 AM
Tomlinson Officially IN:

https://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/politics-government/article229865689.html


Tilt R, Perdue 50-48 in runoff


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: SnowLabrador on May 02, 2019, 08:30:27 AM

In the runoff, there are only two candidates. Perdue could win 51-49 there, but not 50-48, because there'd be no one to get the 2% of third-party votes.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: S019 on May 02, 2019, 09:00:33 AM

In the runoff, there are only two candidates. Perdue could win 51-49 there, but not 50-48, because there'd be no one to get the 2% of third-party votes.

There is always the chance of blank/spoiled ballots, also using rounding


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: QAnonKelly on May 02, 2019, 10:14:30 AM
Someone good like Stacey Evans would have beaten Kemp. Still held the same numbers everywhere, but do better in the rural areas to barely make it over the top. Abrams is a toxic fit for rural GA, did worse than Hillary there, sad!

Lol ok bro


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: skbl17 on May 03, 2019, 07:41:59 AM
In browsing the GA-SEN 2020 page on Wikipedia, I did find a March 2019 poll on the 2020 race, but it's a DSCC-sponsored poll, and they didn't test Purdue vs. Generic D or any combination of Tomlinson/Ossoff/Amico, but Generic R vs. Generic D: 42 D-40 R. Not horrible but I don't see that as very meaningful right now.

Purdue does have good net favorability (41/30, so +9,) but a lot of undecideds (29%). That does track with other polling specifically on Purdue's favorability or approval: liked but also kind of unknown.

They tested Trump favorability (46/52 for all voters, 37/51 among independents) but not approval.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on May 03, 2019, 12:30:11 PM

In the runoff, there are only two candidates. Perdue could win 51-49 there, but not 50-48, because there'd be no one to get the 2% of third-party votes.

There is always the chance of blank/spoiled ballots, also using rounding

There will be very few of these.  Overvotes for the same race are prevented by the voting machine, I believe.  And blank entries will be minimal with this being the major race (and possibly the only one) on a runoff ballot.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Pandaguineapig on May 03, 2019, 04:14:28 PM
It looks like Stacey Abrams is too busy deluding herself that she is actually governor of Georgia to run for this seat, Likely R


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: henster on May 03, 2019, 05:18:33 PM
I think we dodged a bullet with Abrams frankly.





Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on May 03, 2019, 05:56:06 PM
I think we dodged a bullet with Abrams frankly.


You assemble a room of 20 black women and they will agree with exactly what she said. Brian Kemp with the help of Republican operatives in local county election offices cheated. I love how uncomfortable Abrams makes people who want to pretend that America is above tinkering with democracy as if black people and Native Americans weren't restricted from voting fifty damn years ago.

Anyway, this isn't Iowa. She doesn't need to tow a line so she doesn't scare away weak-kneed white people who have rose colored glasses on about voter suppression. She has a hefty 40% non-white electorate and progressive whites that she can turn out and a growing share of suburban whites. She has said nothing as incendiary as Donald Trump and everything she says can be backed up with facts.

We need fair elections in Georgia. Change only comes when we have uncomfortable conversations. 


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: QAnonKelly on May 03, 2019, 08:49:34 PM
I hope the primary doesn't get too crowded. Tomlinson has been able to scoop up the good people and quite frankly the eventual nom needs to hoard as much cash as possible given this is very likely headed to a runoff


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on May 03, 2019, 09:31:12 PM
I hope the primary doesn't get too crowded. Tomlinson has been able to scoop up the good people and quite frankly the eventual nom needs to hoard as much cash as possible given this is very likely headed to a runoff
If I were Amico or Ossoff I would just wait until 2022. If Trump is re-elected the dam will burst open in GA in 2022. If Trump loses, GA is inelastic enough to avoid DemPOTUS backlash and they will have Abrams on the ballot with them.



Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Pandaguineapig on May 04, 2019, 10:27:46 AM
I think we dodged a bullet with Abrams frankly.


You assemble a room of 20 black women and they will agree with exactly what she said. Brian Kemp with the help of Republican operatives in local county election offices cheated. I love how uncomfortable Abrams makes people who want to pretend that America is above tinkering with democracy as if black people and Native Americans weren't restricted from voting fifty damn years ago.

Anyway, this isn't Iowa. She doesn't need to tow a line so she doesn't scare away weak-kneed white people who have rose colored glasses on about voter suppression. She has a hefty 40% non-white electorate and progressive whites that she can turn out and a growing share of suburban whites. She has said nothing as incendiary as Donald Trump and everything she says can be backed up with facts.

We need fair elections in Georgia. Change only comes when we have uncomfortable conversations. 
This kind of delusion is unhealthy, there is no proof whatsoever that there were thousands of minority voters who were barred from voting during the 2018 election (in fact that election broke turnout records)

I don't even think Abrams is dumb enough to think she actually won, she is using this whole scheme as a way to raise money from some very gullible people (Just like the Florida recounts last year or Jill Stein's recounts in 2016)


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on May 04, 2019, 10:35:16 AM
I think we dodged a bullet with Abrams frankly.


You assemble a room of 20 black women and they will agree with exactly what she said. Brian Kemp with the help of Republican operatives in local county election offices cheated. I love how uncomfortable Abrams makes people who want to pretend that America is above tinkering with democracy as if black people and Native Americans weren't restricted from voting fifty damn years ago.

Anyway, this isn't Iowa. She doesn't need to tow a line so she doesn't scare away weak-kneed white people who have rose colored glasses on about voter suppression. She has a hefty 40% non-white electorate and progressive whites that she can turn out and a growing share of suburban whites. She has said nothing as incendiary as Donald Trump and everything she says can be backed up with facts.

We need fair elections in Georgia. Change only comes when we have uncomfortable conversations. 
This kind of delusion is unhealthy, there is no proof whatsoever that there were thousands of minority voters who were barred from voting during the 2018 election (in fact that election broke turnout records)

I don't even think Abrams is dumb enough to think she actually won, she is using this whole scheme as a way to raise money from some very gullible people (Just like the Florida recounts last year or Jill Stein's recounts in 2016)
So.... since I actually live here and was working the voter protection hotline on Election Day when power cords for the machines were missing at the blackest precincts in Gwinnett County causing four hour lines where people had to leave to go to work, where precincts in Fulton County where Abrams was running up the score with 95-99 percent of the vote ran out of provisional ballots so everyone who wanted one was told to go home, where Asian and Latino absentee ballots were rejected in Gwinnett County at 10x the rate of everyone else. I will believe MY EXPERIENCE before your narrative when you don’t even live here.

There are 6.4 million people on the rolls. 4.1 million of them voting doesn’t mean there wasn’t voter suppression.

Abrams saying she won is metaphorical. She irrevocably changed Georgia’s electorate. She recognizes Brian Kemp received a sufficient number of votes to become Governor. The election just wasn’t fair. It’s funny watching people who make excuses for every incendiary and heinous thing Trump says all of a sudden want to take everyone else’s words literally. ::)


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Canis on May 04, 2019, 02:06:26 PM
I think we dodged a bullet with Abrams frankly.


You assemble a room of 20 black women and they will agree with exactly what she said. Brian Kemp with the help of Republican operatives in local county election offices cheated. I love how uncomfortable Abrams makes people who want to pretend that America is above tinkering with democracy as if black people and Native Americans weren't restricted from voting fifty damn years ago.

Anyway, this isn't Iowa. She doesn't need to tow a line so she doesn't scare away weak-kneed white people who have rose colored glasses on about voter suppression. She has a hefty 40% non-white electorate and progressive whites that she can turn out and a growing share of suburban whites. She has said nothing as incendiary as Donald Trump and everything she says can be backed up with facts.

We need fair elections in Georgia. Change only comes when we have uncomfortable conversations. 
This kind of delusion is unhealthy, there is no proof whatsoever that there were thousands of minority voters who were barred from voting during the 2018 election (in fact that election broke turnout records)

I don't even think Abrams is dumb enough to think she actually won, she is using this whole scheme as a way to raise money from some very gullible people (Just like the Florida recounts last year or Jill Stein's recounts in 2016)
So.... since I actually live here and was working the voter protection hotline on Election Day when power cords for the machines were missing at the blackest precincts in Gwinnett County causing four hour lines where people had to leave to go to work, where precincts in Fulton County where Abrams was running up the score with 95-99 percent of the vote ran out of provisional ballots so everyone who wanted one was told to go home, where Asian and Latino absentee ballots were rejected in Gwinnett County at 10x the rate of everyone else. I will believe MY EXPERIENCE before your narrative when you don’t even live here.

There are 6.4 million people on the rolls. 4.1 million of them voting doesn’t mean there wasn’t voter suppression.

Abrams saying she won is metaphorical. She irrevocably changed Georgia’s electorate. She recognizes Brian Kemp received a sufficient number of votes to become Governor. The election just wasn’t fair. It’s funny watching people who make excuses for every incendiary and heinous thing Trump says all of a sudden want to take everyone else’s words literally. ::)
Jesus mad respect for this post I know we've had our disagreements in the past but that was amazing


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Lechasseur on May 05, 2019, 06:58:35 AM
Someone good like Stacey Evans would have beaten Kemp. Still held the same numbers everywhere, but do better in the rural areas to barely make it over the top. Abrams is a toxic fit for rural GA, did worse than Hillary there, sad!

Anybody who watched her hilariously bad campaign in the primary knows this is patently false.

Does anyone think Jason Carter would have beaten Kemp here? I think he may have.

I agree Evans most likely wouldn't have though (and that Abrams was a stonger candidate than Evans).


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on May 05, 2019, 02:24:29 PM
Someone good like Stacey Evans would have beaten Kemp. Still held the same numbers everywhere, but do better in the rural areas to barely make it over the top. Abrams is a toxic fit for rural GA, did worse than Hillary there, sad!

Anybody who watched her hilariously bad campaign in the primary knows this is patently false.

Does anyone think Jason Carter would have beaten Kemp here? I think he may have.

I agree Evans most likely wouldn't have though (and that Abrams was a stonger candidate than Evans).

Ok maybe not Evans, but I think Barrow would have beaten Kemp.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: pppolitics on May 13, 2019, 07:11:08 PM
Georgia senator says he's not worried about his state losing film business over abortion ban


https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/13/us/georgia-senator-abortion-ban-film-business-trnd/index.html


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on May 13, 2019, 09:14:08 PM
Georgia senator says he's not worried about his state losing film business over abortion ban


https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/13/us/georgia-senator-abortion-ban-film-business-trnd/index.html
Right. Because the white people from California and the working class black people who benefit from the industry do not vote Republican. The GOP is garbage.

I mentioned in the other thread that I heard Tomlinson today. I definitely considered her the best of the "second tier" but she is really freaking good. A candidate on par with Stacey Abrams. She answered every question directly and didn't try to squirm out of anything. I'm all in.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Bidenworth2020 on May 15, 2019, 03:12:27 PM
Georgia senator says he's not worried about his state losing film business over abortion ban


https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/13/us/georgia-senator-abortion-ban-film-business-trnd/index.html
Right. Because the white people from California and the working class black people who benefit from the industry do not vote Republican. The GOP is garbage.

I mentioned in the other thread that I heard Tomlinson today. I definitely considered her the best of the "second tier" but she is really freaking good. A candidate on par with Stacey Abrams. She answered every question directly and didn't try to squirm out of anything. I'm all in.
You think she can organize like Abrams?


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on May 16, 2019, 10:34:39 PM
Georgia senator says he's not worried about his state losing film business over abortion ban


https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/13/us/georgia-senator-abortion-ban-film-business-trnd/index.html
Right. Because the white people from California and the working class black people who benefit from the industry do not vote Republican. The GOP is garbage.

I mentioned in the other thread that I heard Tomlinson today. I definitely considered her the best of the "second tier" but she is really freaking good. A candidate on par with Stacey Abrams. She answered every question directly and didn't try to squirm out of anything. I'm all in.
You think she can organize like Abrams?
Don't know how she'll be received by the population at large but she is definitely emphasizing direct voter contact at the doors like Abrams did vs a barrage of tv ads leading up to the primary like Evans.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: QAnonKelly on May 16, 2019, 10:52:42 PM
Perdue definitely is open season for attack ad fodder. The man is a gaffe master 


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on May 17, 2019, 06:55:44 PM
Perdue definitely is open season for attack ad fodder. The man is a gaffe master 
Didn't he knock somebody's phone out of their hand or something? And lead a prayer asking for Obama's death and for his children to be homeless? Just ugh at the fact that at least 48 percent of our population will vote for this jackass no matter what.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Suburbia on May 17, 2019, 07:00:40 PM
GA-SEN is a Tossup.

Perdue is a crazy man, like his cousin Gov. Sonny.

Can Tomlinson appeal to WWC in Georgia?



Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Some of My Best Friends Are Gay on May 17, 2019, 07:27:14 PM
GA-SEN is a Tossup.

Perdue is a crazy man, like his cousin Gov. Sonny.

Can Tomlinson appeal to WWC in Georgia?



No, and she doesn't need to.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Suburbia on May 17, 2019, 07:31:39 PM
GA-SEN is a Tossup.

Perdue is a crazy man, like his cousin Gov. Sonny.

Can Tomlinson appeal to WWC in Georgia?



No, and she doesn't need to.

She has to be a Senator for all Georgians, not her base. She should try to bridge the gap. She does come from western Georgia.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: libertpaulian on May 17, 2019, 07:50:46 PM
She should at least try to swing the rural vote 2-3%.  That could make the difference between a bare bones victory and a runoff, which she'd likely lose if a Democrat ousts Trump.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Some of My Best Friends Are Gay on May 18, 2019, 03:01:02 PM
GA-SEN is a Tossup.

Perdue is a crazy man, like his cousin Gov. Sonny.

Can Tomlinson appeal to WWC in Georgia?



No, and she doesn't need to.

She has to be a Senator for all Georgians, not her base. She should try to bridge the gap. She does come from western Georgia.

The gap can't be bridged. rural whites in Georgia are EXTREMELY Republican. it's not worth even trying to appeal to them.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: QAnonKelly on May 18, 2019, 03:51:22 PM
Perdue definitely is open season for attack ad fodder. The man is a gaffe master 
Didn't he knock somebody's phone out of their hand or something? And lead a prayer asking for Obama's death and for his children to be homeless? Just ugh at the fact that at least 48 percent of our population will vote for this jackass no matter what.

He did both. He was at an event at Tech for Kemp this fall and one of the students asked him a question about voter suppression and he snatched his phone. The guy was suing him but I’d assume he gave him what he wanted to end it bc he doesn’t need that following him.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on May 19, 2019, 05:36:51 PM
GA-SEN is a Tossup.

Perdue is a crazy man, like his cousin Gov. Sonny.

Can Tomlinson appeal to WWC in Georgia?



No, and she doesn't need to.

She has to be a Senator for all Georgians, not her base. She should try to bridge the gap. She does come from western Georgia.

The gap can't be bridged. rural whites in Georgia are EXTREMELY Republican. it's not worth even trying to appeal to them.
These people rejected Abrams like 95-5. I never hear these posters ask the GOP to be a Senator for black people and white liberals. She will be a Senator for all Georgians when she votes to expand Medicare and fights for restoring preclearance to the Voting Rights Act. Just because rural whites will refuse to support her because of white resentment politics doesn't mean she isn't serving their interests.

She will cross 50 percent by turning out the base, getting out low propensity voters of color in the Metro and South Suburbs, and continuing to make inroads with educated white women in the North Suburbs. Next.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: QAnonKelly on May 28, 2019, 12:58:08 PM
I really hope Amico doesn't jump in


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: SnowLabrador on May 28, 2019, 01:02:53 PM
I really hope Amico doesn't jump in

Same. I hope Teresa Tomlinson gets the primary field to herself. Because she really needs it.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: QAnonKelly on May 28, 2019, 05:11:17 PM
I really hope Amico doesn't jump in

Same. I hope Teresa Tomlinson gets the primary field to herself. Because she really needs it.

It’s almost guaranteed to go to a run off in the GE so I’d really prefer for Tomlinson to be able to hoard as much cash as possible.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on May 28, 2019, 05:47:32 PM
For the potential to be a wave election, Tomlinson, can win here.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on June 14, 2019, 08:27:29 PM
Sarah Amico pretty much confirmed on her Instagram that she's running.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: SnowLabrador on June 15, 2019, 06:31:03 AM
Sarah Amico pretty much confirmed on her Instagram that she's running.

Please don't. Tomlinson is good enough.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on June 16, 2019, 07:39:36 AM
Stacy Abrams blew her chance, with Dems big lead on generic ballot, even GA is in play. I doubt if she beats Kemp in 2022


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: QAnonKelly on June 16, 2019, 06:14:52 PM
Sarah Amico pretty much confirmed on her Instagram that she's running.

Not happy about it tbh. Tomlinson needs to hoard as much money as she possibly can


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS on June 20, 2019, 04:16:49 PM
Sarah Amico pretty much confirmed on her Instagram that she's running.

Not happy about it tbh. Tomlinson needs to hoard as much money as she possibly can

I want everyone else to leave and Jason Carter to enter. He would be a very strong candidate.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: ON Progressive on June 20, 2019, 07:55:53 PM
Sarah Amico pretty much confirmed on her Instagram that she's running.

Not happy about it tbh. Tomlinson needs to hoard as much money as she possibly can

I want everyone else to leave and Jason Carter to enter. He would be a very strong candidate.

I don't buy that Jason Carter is particularly stronger than either Tomlinson or even Amico.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on June 20, 2019, 08:12:51 PM
GA isnt the tipping point race. MI, CO and AZ and 2 from NC/AL/ME/ or IA will get Dens the 50th seat


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on June 23, 2019, 01:49:41 PM
Georgia is inelastic fool’s gold, take a hint people, we shouldn’t even contest it big time.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Politician on June 23, 2019, 02:35:03 PM
Georgia is inelastic fool’s gold, take a hint people, we shouldn’t even contest it big time.
I sort of agree (the Democrats lost every row office in a D+9 midterm lmfao), but Atlas is convinced Abrams' performance is the Democratic floor and the state GOP is dead.

MT Treasurer, ON Progressive and RFKFan68 will rage at you, though.

And no, Georgia won't vote to the left of Maine.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Some of My Best Friends Are Gay on June 23, 2019, 02:38:29 PM
Georgia is inelastic fool’s gold, take a hint people, we shouldn’t even contest it big time.

This is some incredibly dumb analysis. the Atlanta suburbs are growing and getting bluer at a rapid rate, if the Democratic Senate candidate can do as well as Abrams did in 2018 in 2020, they can win based on population growth and higher turnout alone.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on June 23, 2019, 02:54:00 PM
Georgia is inelastic fool’s gold, take a hint people, we shouldn’t even contest it big time.
I sort of agree (the Democrats lost every row office in a D+9 midterm lmfao), but Atlas is convinced Abrams' performance is the Democratic floor and the state GOP is dead.

MT Treasurer, ON Progressive and RFKFan68 will rage at you, though.

And no, Georgia won't vote to the left of Maine.
Inelastic whites in the midwest shifting to Democrats has nothing to do with the results in a racially polarized state like GA (where the electorate was more GOP than 2016). But keep living in fantasy land.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on June 23, 2019, 03:01:03 PM
Georgia is inelastic fool’s gold, take a hint people, we shouldn’t even contest it big time.
I sort of agree (the Democrats lost every row office in a D+9 midterm lmfao), but Atlas is convinced Abrams' performance is the Democratic floor and the state GOP is dead.

MT Treasurer, ON Progressive and RFKFan68 will rage at you, though.

And no, Georgia won't vote to the left of Maine.
Inelastic whites in the midwest shifting to Democrats has nothing to do with the results in a racially polarized state like GA (where the electorate was more GOP than 2016). But keep living in fantasy land.

Dude if Abrams could not win in GA you have me lost, let’s just really hope the dscc agrees with me


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on June 23, 2019, 03:13:33 PM
Georgia is inelastic fool’s gold, take a hint people, we shouldn’t even contest it big time.
I sort of agree (the Democrats lost every row office in a D+9 midterm lmfao), but Atlas is convinced Abrams' performance is the Democratic floor and the state GOP is dead.

MT Treasurer, ON Progressive and RFKFan68 will rage at you, though.

And no, Georgia won't vote to the left of Maine.
Inelastic whites in the midwest shifting to Democrats has nothing to do with the results in a racially polarized state like GA (where the electorate was more GOP than 2016). But keep living in fantasy land.

Dude if Abrams could not win in GA you have me lost, let’s just really hope the dscc agrees with me
I believe the people who are here on the ground over you.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on June 23, 2019, 03:22:05 PM
Georgia is inelastic fool’s gold, take a hint people, we shouldn’t even contest it big time.
I sort of agree (the Democrats lost every row office in a D+9 midterm lmfao), but Atlas is convinced Abrams' performance is the Democratic floor and the state GOP is dead.

MT Treasurer, ON Progressive and RFKFan68 will rage at you, though.

And no, Georgia won't vote to the left of Maine.
Inelastic whites in the midwest shifting to Democrats has nothing to do with the results in a racially polarized state like GA (where the electorate was more GOP than 2016). But keep living in fantasy land.

Dude if Abrams could not win in GA you have me lost, let’s just really hope the dscc agrees with me
I believe the people who are here on the ground over you.

Lol ok then, go waste your time for Amico or whoever to no avail then, have fun.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Gracile on June 23, 2019, 05:38:16 PM
Georgia is inelastic fool’s gold, take a hint people, we shouldn’t even contest it big time.
I sort of agree (the Democrats lost every row office in a D+9 midterm lmfao), but Atlas is convinced Abrams' performance is the Democratic floor and the state GOP is dead.

MT Treasurer, ON Progressive and RFKFan68 will rage at you, though.

And no, Georgia won't vote to the left of Maine.

Being a D+9 midterm doesn't actually matter in a state like Georgia because it's inelastic nature makes it difficult to move with the national environment, as opposed to states like Iowa that do move heavily with the national environment.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: QAnonKelly on June 24, 2019, 02:19:31 PM
Georgia is inelastic fool’s gold, take a hint people, we shouldn’t even contest it big time.
I sort of agree (the Democrats lost every row office in a D+9 midterm lmfao), but Atlas is convinced Abrams' performance is the Democratic floor and the state GOP is dead.

MT Treasurer, ON Progressive and RFKFan68 will rage at you, though.

And no, Georgia won't vote to the left of Maine.
Inelastic whites in the midwest shifting to Democrats has nothing to do with the results in a racially polarized state like GA (where the electorate was more GOP than 2016). But keep living in fantasy land.

Dude if Abrams could not win in GA you have me lost, let’s just really hope the dscc agrees with me
I believe the people who are here on the ground over you.

Lol ok then, go waste your time for Amico or whoever to no avail then, have fun.

OMG losing one election doesn't mean you're out for good.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: QAnonKelly on June 30, 2019, 02:49:44 PM
Any bets on Tomlinson’s numbers for the quarter?


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on June 30, 2019, 03:13:05 PM
Democrats are not going to win GA in 2020, and it will be bittersweet because obviously I want them to but like it’ll be funny to come back here and all these other threads to laugh just like last time.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: OneJ on June 30, 2019, 03:32:40 PM
Democrats are not going to win GA in 2020, and it will be bittersweet because obviously I want them to but like it’ll be funny to come back here and all these other threads to laugh just like last time.

It's fine to disagree with others on the Democrats' chances in this race or any other race particularly when there's literally no path for them to be successful. What isn't fine is to concern troll and act as if your opinion is right when there literally is a path for a Democrat to win Georgia if cards are played right.

The point is that it's still early and it's foolish to be calling a race that is likely a tossup off because it's apparently your favorite thing to do.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: SnowLabrador on June 30, 2019, 04:14:03 PM
Democrats are not going to win GA in 2020, and it will be bittersweet because obviously I want them to but like it’ll be funny to come back here and all these other threads to laugh just like last time.

It's fine to disagree with others on the Democrats' chances in this race or any other race particularly when there's literally no path for them to be successful. What isn't fine is to concern troll and act as if your opinion is right when there literally is a path for a Democrat to win Georgia if cards are played right.

The point is that it's still early and it's foolish to be calling a race that is likely a tossup off because it's apparently your favorite thing to do.

I wouldn't call Georgia a tossup.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: QAnonKelly on June 30, 2019, 04:19:13 PM
Democrats are not going to win GA in 2020, and it will be bittersweet because obviously I want them to but like it’ll be funny to come back here and all these other threads to laugh just like last time.

Sometimes it’s okay to run and come up short to keep building infrastructure but whatevs


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on June 30, 2019, 04:27:02 PM
Democrats are not going to win GA in 2020, and it will be bittersweet because obviously I want them to but like it’ll be funny to come back here and all these other threads to laugh just like last time.

It's fine to disagree with others on the Democrats' chances in this race or any other race particularly when there's literally no path for them to be successful. What isn't fine is to concern troll and act as if your opinion is right when there literally is a path for a Democrat to win Georgia if cards are played right.

The point is that it's still early and it's foolish to be calling a race that is likely a tossup off because it's apparently your favorite thing to do.

I wouldn't call Georgia a tossup.
I will never call GA a tossup in non-Pres races because of the run-off. But Tomlinson can win and GA-PRES 2020 is a tossup (no one has to win 50 percent to get the electoral votes).


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: OneJ on June 30, 2019, 08:24:53 PM
Democrats are not going to win GA in 2020, and it will be bittersweet because obviously I want them to but like it’ll be funny to come back here and all these other threads to laugh just like last time.

It's fine to disagree with others on the Democrats' chances in this race or any other race particularly when there's literally no path for them to be successful. What isn't fine is to concern troll and act as if your opinion is right when there literally is a path for a Democrat to win Georgia if cards are played right.

The point is that it's still early and it's foolish to be calling a race that is likely a tossup off because it's apparently your favorite thing to do.

I wouldn't call Georgia a tossup.

Well maybe Lean R for other statewide races thanks to the runoff as RFK stated, but still at least quite competitive.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: MT Treasurer on July 01, 2019, 05:54:27 PM
Georgia is inelastic fool’s gold, take a hint people, we shouldn’t even contest it big time.
I sort of agree

Fortunately for you, even the DSCC probably isn’t incompetent enough to give up on a likely tipping point Senate race.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS on July 01, 2019, 06:56:21 PM
Georgia is inelastic fool’s gold, take a hint people, we shouldn’t even contest it big time.
I sort of agree (the Democrats lost every row office in a D+9 midterm lmfao), but Atlas is convinced Abrams' performance is the Democratic floor and the state GOP is dead.

MT Treasurer, ON Progressive and RFKFan68 will rage at you, though.

And no, Georgia won't vote to the left of Maine.

I mean, give the extra 2 years of demographic changes from 2018 to 2020, and Georgia probably becomes a Democratic tilting state.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on July 02, 2019, 04:06:11 AM
Dems dont need GA, and its a run-off, now that KS, with Barry Grissom is running


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: SnowLabrador on July 02, 2019, 06:26:07 AM
Dems dont need GA, and its a run-off, now that KS, with Barry Grissom is running

Georgia is an uphill battle, but doable in a good enough environment for Democrats. In Kansas, we would need literally everything to go right to have a chance.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: 96FJV on July 02, 2019, 12:36:28 PM
I wish Abrams would reconsider. Kansas is only winnable if Kobach is the nominee.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on July 02, 2019, 02:59:23 PM
I wish Abrams would reconsider. Kansas is only winnable if Kobach is the nominee.
We need Abrams for GA-Gov if we have a Dem president. No one else will rev up our voters to kick Kemp out.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: President Johnson on July 02, 2019, 03:04:37 PM
I wish Abrams would reconsider. Kansas is only winnable if Kobach is the nominee.

She needs to challange Cheatin' Brian again. Queen Teresa is an excellent candidate.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on July 07, 2019, 10:46:39 AM
Tomlinson raises $520k, $330k COH

https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/tomlinson-raises-500k-first-senate-fundraising-test/P17IOpugcIUmVhH7pa0TON/

I presume numbers like this aren't going to scare off other people from jumping in. I hear Sarah Riggs Amico is looking for a finance director as we speak.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: QAnonKelly on July 07, 2019, 03:13:14 PM
Tomlinson raises $520k, $330k COH

https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/tomlinson-raises-500k-first-senate-fundraising-test/P17IOpugcIUmVhH7pa0TON/

I presume numbers like this aren't going to scare off other people from jumping in. I hear Sarah Riggs Amico is looking for a finance director as we speak.

That’s not terrible but not great either. Especially saying she’s only really been running for about six weeks.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on July 07, 2019, 03:57:00 PM
Any thoughts on why her numbers aren't great?  She seems like a good candidate in a pivotal state, so why not a seven-figure fundraising haul?


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: QAnonKelly on July 07, 2019, 04:23:47 PM
Any thoughts on why her numbers aren't great?  She seems like a good candidate in a pivotal state, so why not a seven-figure fundraising haul?

She filed the first week of April but didn't really start until the middle of May so she was only in for about half the quarter.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Politician on July 07, 2019, 04:28:39 PM
Any thoughts on why her numbers aren't great?  She seems like a good candidate in a pivotal state, so why not a seven-figure fundraising haul?

She filed the first week of April but didn't really start until the middle of May so she was only in for about half the quarter.
Gideon in ME raised 1M in one week in a small state.
Greenfield in IA raised 600K in four weeks in a small state.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: QAnonKelly on July 07, 2019, 05:07:01 PM
Any thoughts on why her numbers aren't great?  She seems like a good candidate in a pivotal state, so why not a seven-figure fundraising haul?

She filed the first week of April but didn't really start until the middle of May so she was only in for about half the quarter.
Gideon in ME raised 1M in one week in a small state.
Greenfield in IA raised 600K in four weeks in a small state.

Fair point but in the former's case, Perdue ain't no Collins. He's a piece of sh**t no doubt but at least he's never pretended to be a woke moderate. I doubt as many people know "Obama, die!" guy as they do "I believe she was assaulted but it wasn't this guy because he told me" lady.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Politician on July 08, 2019, 07:35:35 AM
Perdue raised 1.9 M in Q2.

https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/david-perdue-raises-nearly-more-for-election-bid/vN7c7gPouu9tuIkJpgItnO/


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: QAnonKelly on July 08, 2019, 08:44:52 AM
Perdue raised 1.9 M in Q2.

https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/david-perdue-raises-nearly-more-for-election-bid/vN7c7gPouu9tuIkJpgItnO/

That’s not actually all that good


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Mr. Smith on July 08, 2019, 10:21:06 AM
I wish Abrams would reconsider. Kansas is only winnable if Kobach is the nominee.
We need Abrams for GA-Gov if we have a Dem president. No one else will rev up our voters to kick Kemp out.

Never say never to that.

I have little doubt even the one they call Bottoms could defeat Kemp under the right circumstances.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on July 08, 2019, 12:45:13 PM
What’s annoying is that Jaime Harrison raised $1.5 million in South Carolina and he will not win. “Woke” liberals in DC, NYC, and California need to stop donating off of emotion (hating Lindsey Graham because he is a high profile Trump sycophant) and be strategic.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS on July 08, 2019, 02:06:01 PM
What’s annoying is that Jaime Harrison raised $1.5 million in South Carolina and he will not win. “Woke” liberals in DC, NYC, and California need to stop donating off of emotion (hating Lindsey Graham because he is a high profile Trump sycophant) and be strategic.

Graham is beatable if luck is on our side.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: QAnonKelly on July 08, 2019, 02:27:59 PM
What’s annoying is that Jaime Harrison raised $1.5 million in South Carolina and he will not win. “Woke” liberals in DC, NYC, and California need to stop donating off of emotion (hating Lindsey Graham because he is a high profile Trump sycophant) and be strategic.

Graham is beatable if luck is on our side.

SC is only getting whiter, it's not flipping


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on July 08, 2019, 05:56:46 PM
What’s annoying is that Jaime Harrison raised $1.5 million in South Carolina and he will not win. “Woke” liberals in DC, NYC, and California need to stop donating off of emotion (hating Lindsey Graham because he is a high profile Trump sycophant) and be strategic.

This annoys me too.  Tomlinson and Cunningham are potentially competitve candidates who desperately need more money, and instead it's being flushed down the toilet in South Carolina. 


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS on July 08, 2019, 06:10:45 PM
What’s annoying is that Jaime Harrison raised $1.5 million in South Carolina and he will not win. “Woke” liberals in DC, NYC, and California need to stop donating off of emotion (hating Lindsey Graham because he is a high profile Trump sycophant) and be strategic.

This annoys me too.  Tomlinson and Cunningham are potentially competitve candidates who desperately need more money, and instead it's being flushed down the toilet in South Carolina. 

To be honest, I feel that the Democratic Senate recruitment so far this cycle has been very weak across the board. Hegar in Texas is quite strong, but outside of that, I feel that in most races, all of the strongest potential candidates are sitting out.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on July 08, 2019, 06:23:22 PM
What’s annoying is that Jaime Harrison raised $1.5 million in South Carolina and he will not win. “Woke” liberals in DC, NYC, and California need to stop donating off of emotion (hating Lindsey Graham because he is a high profile Trump sycophant) and be strategic.

This annoys me too.  Tomlinson and Cunningham are potentially competitve candidates who desperately need more money, and instead it's being flushed down the toilet in South Carolina. 

To be honest, I feel that the Democratic Senate recruitment so far this cycle has been very weak across the board. Hegar in Texas is quite strong, but outside of that, I feel that in most races, all of the strongest potential candidates are sitting out.

I dunno.  On a state-by-state basis, things don't seem so bad.  It's still unclear who will be the nominee in Colorado, and while Hickenlooper would have put that contest away as soon as he announced, whatever Democrat does emerge out of Colorado will probably be a better Senator.  Hick taking a pass has turned Colorado into a resource pit, but it will probably be worth it ideologically in the end.  Arizona has a top-tier candidate in Mark Kelly, and Sara Gideon is a good get in Maine.  And while Tonlinson and Cunningham don't have the same name recognition as Abrams or (who's the Abrams of NC?), Tomlinson and Cunningham both have their merits and have few obvious drawbacks biographically.  In fact, whilte it's heresy around these parts, I kind of think Tomlinson is a better candidate than Abrams would be.  She's well poised to reap the benefits of Abrams's organizing in the Atlanta suburbs, and is probably more palatable to Georgia voters outside the Atlanta region.  But I'm from the Columbus area, so I'm a little biased. 


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Ilhan Apologist on July 09, 2019, 09:32:31 AM
What’s annoying is that Jaime Harrison raised $1.5 million in South Carolina and he will not win. “Woke” liberals in DC, NYC, and California need to stop donating off of emotion (hating Lindsey Graham because he is a high profile Trump sycophant) and be strategic.

This annoys me too.  Tomlinson and Cunningham are potentially competitve candidates who desperately need more money, and instead it's being flushed down the toilet in South Carolina. 

To be honest, I feel that the Democratic Senate recruitment so far this cycle has been very weak across the board. Hegar in Texas is quite strong, but outside of that, I feel that in most races, all of the strongest potential candidates are sitting out.

I dunno.  On a state-by-state basis, things don't seem so bad.  It's still unclear who will be the nominee in Colorado, and while Hickenlooper would have put that contest away as soon as he announced, whatever Democrat does emerge out of Colorado will probably be a better Senator.  Hick taking a pass has turned Colorado into a resource pit, but it will probably be worth it ideologically in the end.  Arizona has a top-tier candidate in Mark Kelly, and Sara Gideon is a good get in Maine.  And while Tonlinson and Cunningham don't have the same name recognition as Abrams or (who's the Abrams of NC?), Tomlinson and Cunningham both have their merits and have few obvious drawbacks biographically.  In fact, whilte it's heresy around these parts, I kind of think Tomlinson is a better candidate than Abrams would be.  She's well poised to reap the benefits of Abrams's organizing in the Atlanta suburbs, and is probably more palatable to Georgia voters outside the Atlanta region.  But I'm from the Columbus area, so I'm a little biased. 

Jeff Jackson?


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on July 09, 2019, 01:34:55 PM
The streets are saying that Ted Terry, the mayor of Clarkston is jumping in.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: President Johnson on July 09, 2019, 01:59:35 PM
The streets are saying that Ted Terry, the mayor of Clarkston is jumping in.

Is he formidable candidate or will Teresa Thomlinson maintain her status as Democratic frontrunner? I think she's a very good candidate.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on July 09, 2019, 02:01:24 PM
The streets are saying that Ted Terry, the mayor of Clarkston is jumping in.

Is he formidable candidate or will Teresa Thomlinson maintain her status as Democratic frontrunner? I think she's a very good candidate.
Not worried about him. But he is on the Executive Committee for our state's Democratic Party so he isn't a nobody in Dem circles.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: QAnonKelly on July 09, 2019, 03:02:39 PM
They were saying on the radio today that Perdue admits his fate is intertwined with Trump’s


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on July 10, 2019, 12:03:37 AM
Ted Terry is in!

Website is live: https://tedforgeorgia.com/



Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: No War, but the War on Christmas on July 10, 2019, 12:12:18 AM
Ted Terry is in!

Website is live: https://tedforgeorgia.com/



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Oh my God, it’s the guy from queer eye! And he uses some pictures with Jonathan from the show on his website!

Endorsed!


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Bidenworth2020 on July 11, 2019, 02:31:54 AM
this  guy looks cool but he would be smacked in a general, not to mention the primary


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Pollster on July 11, 2019, 08:57:18 AM
Looks like he could certainly have the young white guy breakout potential like Beto or Kander, will be interesting to see if he generates buzz.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Some of My Best Friends Are Gay on July 11, 2019, 11:09:12 AM
What’s annoying is that Jaime Harrison raised $1.5 million in South Carolina and he will not win. “Woke” liberals in DC, NYC, and California need to stop donating off of emotion (hating Lindsey Graham because he is a high profile Trump sycophant) and be strategic.

Graham is beatable if luck is on our side.

He's not beatable unless a sex tape is leaked showing him having sex with another man.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Woody on July 11, 2019, 03:37:39 PM
What’s annoying is that Jaime Harrison raised $1.5 million in South Carolina and he will not win. “Woke” liberals in DC, NYC, and California need to stop donating off of emotion (hating Lindsey Graham because he is a high profile Trump sycophant) and be strategic.

Graham is beatable if luck is on our side.

He's not beatable unless a sex tape is leaked showing him having sex with another man.
You have strange fantasies.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Los Angeles Swag Boss on July 11, 2019, 10:24:00 PM
I can see this, but didn't happen at launch..... He may have a real moment though at some point.

Looks like he could certainly have the young white guy breakout potential like Beto or Kander, will be interesting to see if he generates buzz.


Also, love when people just take random guesses at an election that's over 400 days away.

this  guy looks cool but he would be smacked in a general, not to mention the primary



Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on July 11, 2019, 10:51:42 PM
I can see this, but didn't happen at launch..... He may have a real moment though at some point.
He will have to create a moment. The media and Dem activists would rather we spend time focusing on Solid R SC & KY bc of who the incumbents are. I can definitely see him having a Beto type run but IDK... I'm still going w/ Tomlinson at this point. He hasn't convinced me to vote against her.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Some of My Best Friends Are Gay on July 11, 2019, 10:56:57 PM
What’s annoying is that Jaime Harrison raised $1.5 million in South Carolina and he will not win. “Woke” liberals in DC, NYC, and California need to stop donating off of emotion (hating Lindsey Graham because he is a high profile Trump sycophant) and be strategic.

Graham is beatable if luck is on our side.

He's not beatable unless a sex tape is leaked showing him having sex with another man.
You have strange fantasies.
If you think I fantasize about Lindsey Graham's sex life, you're even more insane than I thought. I wouldn't have sex with him for all the money in the world.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: GM Team Member and Senator WB on July 11, 2019, 10:57:10 PM
What’s annoying is that Jaime Harrison raised $1.5 million in South Carolina and he will not win. “Woke” liberals in DC, NYC, and California need to stop donating off of emotion (hating Lindsey Graham because he is a high profile Trump sycophant) and be strategic.

Graham is beatable if luck is on our side.

He's not beatable unless a sex tape is leaked showing him having sex with another man.
You have strange fantasies.
The whole "Lindsey Graham is gay" thing has been around for a while dude, he sets off like 90% of all gaydars


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on July 23, 2019, 02:29:35 AM
Teresa Tomlinson's rural constituency director sent this stupid ass tweet. #TeamAbrams swooped in to correct the record.

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Uh... all Dems going forward better realize Abrams has set the standard for the next generation. You can't run on "not ignoring communities Democrats have abandoned" when Abrams did it all and then some! In my opinion, rural South GA took precedence over Metro Atlanta in her campaign and that's not a criticism. That's how passionate she was about engaging those voters.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Bidenworth2020 on July 24, 2019, 06:37:24 PM
Teresa Tomlinson's rural constituency director sent this stupid ass tweet. #TeamAbrams swooped in to correct the record.

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Uh... all Dems going forward better realize Abrams has set the standard for the next generation. You can't run on "not ignoring communities Democrats have abandoned" when Abrams did it all and then some! In my opinion, rural South GA took precedence over Metro Atlanta in her campaign and that's not a criticism. That's how passionate she was about engaging those voters.
Why do you think she did so bad in these areas then (worse than Hillary!)


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on July 30, 2019, 04:45:05 PM
They were saying on the radio today that Perdue admits his fate is intertwined with Trump’s

Off topic but love your sig dude haha


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Pollster on August 07, 2019, 02:20:17 PM
Wasn't Sarah Riggs Amico supposed to jump in weeks if not months ago?


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Politician on August 07, 2019, 03:22:27 PM
Wasn't Sarah Riggs Amico supposed to jump in weeks if not months ago?
UGHHH, anyone but her.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on August 08, 2019, 09:49:39 AM
Wasn't Sarah Riggs Amico supposed to jump in weeks if not months ago?

She was "exploring" a bid.  I guess she hasn't found it yet.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on August 08, 2019, 02:35:45 PM
Tomlinson has my vote secured.



Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Pericles on August 09, 2019, 04:14:50 AM
Tomlinson has my vote secured.



Terry isn't actively bad it seems, though it's a bit worrying how he uses the 'have a conversation' vague answer, but good on Tomlinson for her position here-she is absolutely right.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on August 09, 2019, 04:02:41 PM
Tomlinson has my vote secured.



If I still lived in Georgia, I'd say the same.  Many in my extended family will vote for her, though.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: QAnonKelly on August 11, 2019, 03:57:46 PM
I was always leaning Tomlinson but this secures it for me


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on August 12, 2019, 05:57:52 PM


“Ga iS lIkeLy R!”

“AbRaMs cOuLdNt wIn iN a D+9 yEaR!”

GA GOP is also launching a voter registration effort for 2020. They have NEVER attempted to expand the electorate. Just rile up high propensity Dixiecrats in rural GA. They are running out of voters to entice with racist dogwhistles.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: UncleSam on August 12, 2019, 06:08:28 PM


“Ga iS lIkeLy R!”

“AbRaMs cOuLdNt wIn iN a D+9 yEaR!”

GA GOP is also launching a voter registration effort for 2020. They have NEVER attempted to expand the electorate. Just rile up high propensity Dixiecrats in rural GA. They are running out of voters to entice with racist dogwhistles.
So just to be clear when Dems launch voter registration drives they are ‘gearing up’ or ‘running a smart campaign’ but when Rs do it they are in disarray and running scared?

Obviously GA is trending D but it is silly to think that the GOP launching a voter registration drive in a Lean R state indicates good news for Democrats. It means the GOP is taking the race seriously, which is a bad thing if you’re a Dem. it is hardly a death knell obviously but the double standard on how political campaigning is conducted and advertised on this forum is kind of silly.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on August 12, 2019, 06:21:48 PM
So just to be clear when Dems launch voter registration drives they are ‘gearing up’ or ‘running a smart campaign’ but when Rs do it they are in disarray and running scared?
In the state of Georgia, yes.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on August 27, 2019, 01:33:53 PM
Amico in.



Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Politician on August 27, 2019, 02:22:40 PM
Amico in.


Horrible candidate. If she wins the nomination, this race is Likely R.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 27, 2019, 02:28:57 PM


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Pandaguineapig on August 27, 2019, 02:31:35 PM


“Ga iS lIkeLy R!”

“AbRaMs cOuLdNt wIn iN a D+9 yEaR!”

GA GOP is also launching a voter registration effort for 2020. They have NEVER attempted to expand the electorate. Just rile up high propensity Dixiecrats in rural GA. They are running out of voters to entice with racist dogwhistles.
So just to be clear when Dems launch voter registration drives they are ‘gearing up’ or ‘running a smart campaign’ but when Rs do it they are in disarray and running scared?

Obviously GA is trending D but it is silly to think that the GOP launching a voter registration drive in a Lean R state indicates good news for Democrats. It means the GOP is taking the race seriously, which is a bad thing if you’re a Dem. it is hardly a death knell obviously but the double standard on how political campaigning is conducted and advertised on this forum is kind of silly.
You're talking to a guy who thinks Stace Abrams is the rightful governor of Georgia, he doesn't have a very strong grip on reality


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Calthrina950 on August 27, 2019, 03:20:40 PM


“Ga iS lIkeLy R!”

“AbRaMs cOuLdNt wIn iN a D+9 yEaR!”

GA GOP is also launching a voter registration effort for 2020. They have NEVER attempted to expand the electorate. Just rile up high propensity Dixiecrats in rural GA. They are running out of voters to entice with racist dogwhistles.
So just to be clear when Dems launch voter registration drives they are ‘gearing up’ or ‘running a smart campaign’ but when Rs do it they are in disarray and running scared?

Obviously GA is trending D but it is silly to think that the GOP launching a voter registration drive in a Lean R state indicates good news for Democrats. It means the GOP is taking the race seriously, which is a bad thing if you’re a Dem. it is hardly a death knell obviously but the double standard on how political campaigning is conducted and advertised on this forum is kind of silly.
You're talking to a guy who thinks Stace Abrams is the rightful governor of Georgia, he doesn't have a very strong grip on reality

He's discounting also the fact that none of the Democratic candidates running thus far seem to be particularly impressive, and that 2020 will not be as strongly a Democratic-leaning year as 2018 was. Georgia is indeed continuing to trend Democratic, but it will take a few more election cycles for these trends to reach full fruition.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on August 27, 2019, 03:46:35 PM


“Ga iS lIkeLy R!”

“AbRaMs cOuLdNt wIn iN a D+9 yEaR!”

GA GOP is also launching a voter registration effort for 2020. They have NEVER attempted to expand the electorate. Just rile up high propensity Dixiecrats in rural GA. They are running out of voters to entice with racist dogwhistles.
So just to be clear when Dems launch voter registration drives they are ‘gearing up’ or ‘running a smart campaign’ but when Rs do it they are in disarray and running scared?

Obviously GA is trending D but it is silly to think that the GOP launching a voter registration drive in a Lean R state indicates good news for Democrats. It means the GOP is taking the race seriously, which is a bad thing if you’re a Dem. it is hardly a death knell obviously but the double standard on how political campaigning is conducted and advertised on this forum is kind of silly.
You're talking to a guy who thinks Stace Abrams is the rightful governor of Georgia, he doesn't have a very strong grip on reality
That has never come out of my mouth nor have I ever typed that. You need a grip.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Frenchrepublican on August 27, 2019, 04:19:17 PM


“Ga iS lIkeLy R!”

“AbRaMs cOuLdNt wIn iN a D+9 yEaR!”

GA GOP is also launching a voter registration effort for 2020. They have NEVER attempted to expand the electorate. Just rile up high propensity Dixiecrats in rural GA. They are running out of voters to entice with racist dogwhistles.
So just to be clear when Dems launch voter registration drives they are ‘gearing up’ or ‘running a smart campaign’ but when Rs do it they are in disarray and running scared?

Obviously GA is trending D but it is silly to think that the GOP launching a voter registration drive in a Lean R state indicates good news for Democrats. It means the GOP is taking the race seriously, which is a bad thing if you’re a Dem. it is hardly a death knell obviously but the double standard on how political campaigning is conducted and advertised on this forum is kind of silly.
You're talking to a guy who thinks Stace Abrams is the rightful governor of Georgia, he doesn't have a very strong grip on reality

Be careful, for some D posters on this forum contesting the fact that Stacey Abrams is the rightful governor of GA makes you a white supremacist


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: DrScholl on August 27, 2019, 04:37:21 PM
I don't recall anyone on this board posting that anyone was a white supremacist for not saying that Stacey Abrams is the Governor of Georgia. I don't recall anyone on this board actually saying that she is the Governor, only that she could have been Governor if not for voter purges.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Calthrina950 on August 27, 2019, 06:13:34 PM


“Ga iS lIkeLy R!”

“AbRaMs cOuLdNt wIn iN a D+9 yEaR!”

GA GOP is also launching a voter registration effort for 2020. They have NEVER attempted to expand the electorate. Just rile up high propensity Dixiecrats in rural GA. They are running out of voters to entice with racist dogwhistles.
So just to be clear when Dems launch voter registration drives they are ‘gearing up’ or ‘running a smart campaign’ but when Rs do it they are in disarray and running scared?

Obviously GA is trending D but it is silly to think that the GOP launching a voter registration drive in a Lean R state indicates good news for Democrats. It means the GOP is taking the race seriously, which is a bad thing if you’re a Dem. it is hardly a death knell obviously but the double standard on how political campaigning is conducted and advertised on this forum is kind of silly.
You're talking to a guy who thinks Stace Abrams is the rightful governor of Georgia, he doesn't have a very strong grip on reality

Be careful, for some D posters on this forum contesting the fact that Stacey Abrams is the rightful governor of GA makes you a white supremacist

Now, I would admit that Abrams probably would be the best Democratic candidate for this seat, as she would energize minority turnout, like she did in 2018, and run a vigorous campaign. However, she couldn't seal the deal in the Democratic-friendly year of 2018, and in 2020, Republican turnout will be higher, as Trump will be on the ballot. The Atlanta area does not yet possess the margins or the votes to cancel out the edge Republicans derive from the state's small towns and rural areas. That might be different by 2022 or 2024, but 2020 is too soon.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: QAnonKelly on August 28, 2019, 09:20:05 AM


“Ga iS lIkeLy R!”

“AbRaMs cOuLdNt wIn iN a D+9 yEaR!”

GA GOP is also launching a voter registration effort for 2020. They have NEVER attempted to expand the electorate. Just rile up high propensity Dixiecrats in rural GA. They are running out of voters to entice with racist dogwhistles.
So just to be clear when Dems launch voter registration drives they are ‘gearing up’ or ‘running a smart campaign’ but when Rs do it they are in disarray and running scared?

Obviously GA is trending D but it is silly to think that the GOP launching a voter registration drive in a Lean R state indicates good news for Democrats. It means the GOP is taking the race seriously, which is a bad thing if you’re a Dem. it is hardly a death knell obviously but the double standard on how political campaigning is conducted and advertised on this forum is kind of silly.
You're talking to a guy who thinks Stace Abrams is the rightful governor of Georgia, he doesn't have a very strong grip on reality

Be careful, for some D posters on this forum contesting the fact that Stacey Abrams is the rightful governor of GA makes you a white supremacist

Put up or shut up my man


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: QAnonKelly on August 28, 2019, 10:03:54 AM
Isakson’s retiring at Christmas break. Means we’ll have two elections next year


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Young Conservative on August 28, 2019, 11:01:02 AM
Who will Kemp appoint? All the congressmen are back benchers and he needs to appoint someone from Atlanta, which doesn’t have many GOP congressmen that he could appoint rn anyway with Handel having lost and Woodall retiring. (Perdue is already from South Georgia which is why Atlanta is important).


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Pollster on August 28, 2019, 11:19:57 AM
Who will Kemp appoint? All the congressmen are back benchers and he needs to appoint someone from Atlanta, which doesn’t have many GOP congressmen that he could appoint rn anyway with Handel having lost and Woodall retiring. (Perdue is already from South Georgia which is why Atlanta is important).

Smart thing to do would be to appoint a popular figure of the past like Deal who wouldn't run in the special, so that the eventual candidate won't have a "voted with Trump x% of the time" vulnerability.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: TrendsareUsuallyReal on August 28, 2019, 11:26:11 AM
If the bottom falls out for Republicans next year, 2 seats in Georgia, and flipping AZ and CO would do it. But if we’re gaining Ga, we’re probably also gaining NC and ME as well


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Gracile on August 28, 2019, 11:29:06 AM
The Senate special election now makes it even more crucial for Democrats to target Georgia, as the fate of the Senate would depend heavily on these seats.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on August 28, 2019, 11:45:16 AM
Yes, AZ, CO and GA are the seats that will flip the Senate


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on August 28, 2019, 12:01:23 PM
Who will Kemp appoint? All the congressmen are back benchers and he needs to appoint someone from Atlanta, which doesn’t have many GOP congressmen that he could appoint rn anyway with Handel having lost and Woodall retiring. (Perdue is already from South Georgia which is why Atlanta is important).

Smart thing to do would be to appoint a popular figure of the past like Deal who wouldn't run in the special, so that the eventual candidate won't have a "voted with Trump x% of the time" vulnerability.
Not happening. The special election will be a jungle primary on Election Night. Last thing GOP wants is a bunch of people throwing it to the Democrat.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Pollster on August 28, 2019, 01:10:09 PM
Who will Kemp appoint? All the congressmen are back benchers and he needs to appoint someone from Atlanta, which doesn’t have many GOP congressmen that he could appoint rn anyway with Handel having lost and Woodall retiring. (Perdue is already from South Georgia which is why Atlanta is important).

Smart thing to do would be to appoint a popular figure of the past like Deal who wouldn't run in the special, so that the eventual candidate won't have a "voted with Trump x% of the time" vulnerability.
Not happening. The special election will be a jungle primary on Election Night. Last thing GOP wants is a bunch of people throwing it to the Democrat.

What about Loudermilk? He's young and from the north - represents a good chunk of Cobb.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: 😥 on August 28, 2019, 01:10:44 PM
Can Kemp appoint Woodal?


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: libertpaulian on August 28, 2019, 02:31:36 PM
I wouldn't be surprised.  It'd give him a cushier job, and if he wins, he gets 2 more years in DC.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: RogueBeaver on August 28, 2019, 04:04:34 PM


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Gass3268 on August 28, 2019, 04:23:13 PM


Guess who’s back, back again? Ossoff’s back, tell a friend.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Horus on August 28, 2019, 04:27:53 PM


Guess who’s back, back again? Ossoff’s back, tell a friend.

Called it!


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Brittain33 on August 28, 2019, 08:53:30 PM
Please vote in a forum poll on whether Georgia should have 1 or 2 megathreads.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=332294.0


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: I Will Not Be Wrong on August 28, 2019, 09:06:56 PM
Jason Carter seems to be interested, or at least not ruling it out.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: 😥 on August 28, 2019, 11:53:26 PM

Bad candidate


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: S019 on August 28, 2019, 11:58:27 PM
John Ossoff would probably lose, he had a much easier shot at the 6th District than McBath, who was basically written off, for much of the campaign, did

Ossoff losing, might tell us that McBath was strong, and she was no doubt, but it also tells us that Ossoff was a weak candidate and would probably lose this seat


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Mr. Smith on August 29, 2019, 12:23:07 AM
John Ossoff would probably lose, he had a much easier shot at the 6th District than McBath, who was basically written off, for much of the campaign, did

Ossoff losing, might tell us that McBath was strong, and she was no doubt, but it also tells us that Ossoff was a weak candidate and would probably lose this seat

2017 was a special election year without dat wave energy and the GOP regrouped to stop low turnout doing them in at the runoff, which was gonna happen anyway.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 29, 2019, 01:15:00 AM
The Senate special election now makes it even more crucial for Democrats to target Georgia, as the fate of the Senate would depend heavily on these seats.

Yea the Democrats would be foolish to not go all out for GA now, President on down the ticket.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on August 29, 2019, 01:48:53 AM
Jason Carter seems to be interested, or at least not ruling it out.

I could see Jason Carter doing it. He was pretty competitive in '14 against Kemp.Deal.



Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Calthrina950 on August 29, 2019, 01:54:49 AM
Jason Carter seems to be interested, or at least not ruling it out.

I could see Jason Carter doing it. He was pretty competitive in '14 against Kemp.

You mean Deal?


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on August 29, 2019, 07:10:10 AM
Jason Carter seems to be interested, or at least not ruling it out.

I could see Jason Carter doing it. He was pretty competitive in '14 against Kemp.
Not if he's running the same strategy as he did in 2014.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Zaybay on August 29, 2019, 08:16:24 AM
Jason Carter seems to be interested, or at least not ruling it out.

I could see Jason Carter doing it. He was pretty competitive in '14 against Kemp.
Not if he's running the same strategy as he did in 2014.

The same strategy that brought GA to a poultry R+8 in an R favored midterm(R+6) against a rather well liked incumbent?


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Citizen (The) Doctor on August 29, 2019, 10:07:10 AM
Jason Carter seems to be interested, or at least not ruling it out.

I could see Jason Carter doing it. He was pretty competitive in '14 against Kemp.

You mean Deal?

Yes, my mistake.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: TrendsareUsuallyReal on August 29, 2019, 10:52:43 AM
The Senate special election now makes it even more crucial for Democrats to target Georgia, as the fate of the Senate would depend heavily on these seats.

Yea the Democrats would be foolish to not go all out for GA now, President on down the ticket.

My only concern is that the runoff is after the Presidential election. So if Trump loses, I'm concerned Democrats will get complacent even if the Senate is still up in the air.


Title: Re: GA- 2020 Senate Election Megathread
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on August 29, 2019, 10:03:09 PM
Jason Carter seems to be interested, or at least not ruling it out.

I could see Jason Carter doing it. He was pretty competitive in '14 against Kemp.
Not if he's running the same strategy as he did in 2014.

The same strategy that brought GA to a poultry R+8 in an R favored midterm(R+6) against a rather well liked incumbent?
Uh... yeah. His performance had more to do with black GA voters not dropping off in midterms as bad as other states. Nothing to do with him. He and Nunn were bland retreads that targeted white Republicans. He did nothing to grow the party infrastructure and bring new voices into the electorate. No thanks.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on September 03, 2019, 07:59:06 PM
Andrew Young endorses Tomlinson. (https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/the-jolt-andrew-young-endorses-teresa-tomlinson-senate-race/Cv0ZGK6X8ql1P5EVWVaq3N/)


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on September 05, 2019, 02:23:24 PM


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Comrade Funk on September 05, 2019, 02:25:37 PM

The real HR king


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: QAnonKelly on September 05, 2019, 10:22:26 PM
The state has an embarrassment of riches in the Democratic talent pool but I'm voting for Tomlinson. I like Terry but he's just too young imo, Perdue plays nasty.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on September 05, 2019, 10:30:10 PM
The state has an embarrassment of riches in the Democratic talent pool but I'm voting for Tomlinson. I like Terry but he's just too young imo, Perdue plays nasty.
Tomlinson has a spine of steel and will dismantle Perdue. Terry has a lot of policy deficits. He was asked several things at a town hall and didn’t have an answer. I’ve never seen Tomlinson so much as flinch. She’s been preparing for this since before Abrams had the performance she had in 2018 unlike Terry and Amico. I trust her.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: QAnonKelly on September 05, 2019, 10:41:13 PM
The state has an embarrassment of riches in the Democratic talent pool but I'm voting for Tomlinson. I like Terry but he's just too young imo, Perdue plays nasty.
Tomlinson has a spine of steel and will dismantle Perdue. Terry has a lot of policy deficits. He was asked several things at a town hall and didn’t have an answer. I’ve never seen Tomlinson so much as flinch. She’s been preparing for this since before Abrams had the performance she had in 2018 unlike Terry and Amico. I trust her.

Agreed. Terry has all the time in the world to work on getting where he needs to go. There’s no young, talented Rs in the state anymore either since the two state reps lost last year which helps him even more. There’s a time for and a place for everyone and this just isn’t his time.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Calthrina950 on September 05, 2019, 10:46:37 PM
The state has an embarrassment of riches in the Democratic talent pool but I'm voting for Tomlinson. I like Terry but he's just too young imo, Perdue plays nasty.
Tomlinson has a spine of steel and will dismantle Perdue. Terry has a lot of policy deficits. He was asked several things at a town hall and didn’t have an answer. I’ve never seen Tomlinson so much as flinch. She’s been preparing for this since before Abrams had the performance she had in 2018 unlike Terry and Amico. I trust her.

Agreed. Terry has all the time in the world to work on getting where he needs to go. There’s no young, talented Rs in the state anymore either since the two state reps lost last year which helps him even more. There’s a time for and a place for everyone and this just isn’t his time.

I'm not sure if Georgia is ready for such a staunch progressive like Terry. Too radical for his state, at least at the present time.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Politician on September 08, 2019, 07:09:55 AM
Ok, WTF is this?



Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Continential on September 08, 2019, 10:54:28 AM
F Jon and and screwjon is appropriate.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Oryxslayer on September 09, 2019, 09:02:57 PM




He will not be facing Handel again. Wonder why he choose to go against Teresa Tomlinson instead of thee open seat...perhaps Mcbath is entering? Also, Ossoff gets John Lewis's endorsement.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on September 09, 2019, 09:18:31 PM
Still with Tomlinson!

Ossoff is unremarkable.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: henster on September 09, 2019, 09:25:15 PM
Ideally McBath runs for the open seat and a POC is the nominee against Perdue then Dems could really juice turnout. I just feel like Dems are gonna give up on beating Perdue and just go for the open seat which is a lot easier.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Calthrina950 on September 09, 2019, 09:26:54 PM
Ideally McBath runs for the open seat and a POC is the nominee against Perdue then Dems could really juice turnout. I just feel like Dems are gonna give up on beating Perdue and just go for the open seat which is a lot easier.

If Perdue wins reelection, Democrats will not win the open seat. I just cannot envision that many Perdue-McBath (?) voters.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: IceSpear on September 09, 2019, 09:30:50 PM
Ideally McBath runs for the open seat and a POC is the nominee against Perdue then Dems could really juice turnout. I just feel like Dems are gonna give up on beating Perdue and just go for the open seat which is a lot easier.

That would be very dumb of them considering how polarized Georgia is.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on September 09, 2019, 09:38:10 PM
Ideally McBath runs for the open seat and a POC is the nominee against Perdue then Dems could really juice turnout. I just feel like Dems are gonna give up on beating Perdue and just go for the open seat which is a lot easier.
Huh? Nobody even knows who Perdue is. Voters are going to vote according to their tribe regardless of who the person is in either race. Next.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: TrendsareUsuallyReal on September 09, 2019, 09:40:48 PM
Lol Jon Ossoff


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Roronoa D. Law on September 09, 2019, 09:45:49 PM
I am still for Tominlson and McBath. People like Terry and Ossoff remind me too much of the pretty all American boy candidate that Democrats run all the time like Murphy, Beto, and Kander but they always come up short. Yet they always seem to fail upward after losing an election.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Hammy on September 09, 2019, 10:11:27 PM




He will not be facing Handel again. Wonder why he choose to go against Teresa Tomlinson instead of thee open seat...perhaps Mcbath is entering? Also, Ossoff gets John Lewis's endorsement.

Biden, now Ossoff... Dems are trying as hard as they can to make people not want to vote for them even in the Trump era.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: MT Treasurer on September 09, 2019, 10:14:35 PM
I am still for Tominlson and McBath. People like Terry and Ossoff remind me too much of the pretty all American boy candidate that Democrats run all the time like Murphy, Beto, and Kander but they always come up short. Yet they always seem to fail upward after losing an election.

I mean, if Ossoff somehow outperformed the Democratic presidential nominee by as much as O'Rourke or Kander, he’d be guaranteed to win the general. Obviously he won’t, but just saying.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Stranger in a strange land on September 09, 2019, 10:26:59 PM
I am still for Tominlson and McBath. People like Terry and Ossoff remind me too much of the pretty all American boy candidate that Democrats run all the time like Murphy, Beto, and Kander but they always come up short. Yet they always seem to fail upward after losing an election.

I mean, if Ossoff somehow outperformed the Democratic presidential nominee by as much as O'Rourke or Kander, he’d be guaranteed to win the general. Obviously he won’t, but just saying.

How? Unlike Kander and Beto, he isn't inspiring or particularly charismatic. People on this site and in the political media only became obsessed with him because election-wise, the GA-6 Special was the only thing going on for a few months in 2017.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on September 09, 2019, 10:34:41 PM
How I feel....



Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: JMT on September 10, 2019, 05:55:34 AM




He will not be facing Handel again. Wonder why he choose to go against Teresa Tomlinson instead of thee open seat...perhaps Mcbath is entering? Also, Ossoff gets John Lewis's endorsement.

That is my thought too, perhaps McBath has privately indicated she is running for the special election. I imagine she’d clear the field, which would explain why Ossoff is in for the regular election against Perdue. Otherwise I feel like Ossoff would run in the special election.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Young Conservative on September 10, 2019, 08:00:39 AM
Ossoff is really showing he’s learned from 2017 by nationalizing yet another race and announcing a run for Georgia Senate in a NYC tv studio... lol. The left never learns.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Sir Mohamed on September 10, 2019, 09:20:27 AM
LOL at Ossoff.

Hope he doesn't make it to the GE after he blew a winnable race last time.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Brittain33 on September 10, 2019, 12:16:24 PM
Ossoff performed as Generic D in 2017. Wouldn’t we expect him to do the same in 2020?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: President Johnson on September 10, 2019, 12:53:18 PM
Buh Ossoff! Go Queen Teresa <3 She's the senate candidate for 2020 I'm most excited about besides the Hick.

Tomlinson is now endorsed by former Governor Roy Barnes.



Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: QAnonKelly on September 10, 2019, 04:22:54 PM
Lol Ossoff


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: IceSpear on September 10, 2019, 08:18:30 PM
Atlas is a fickle mistress. Some of us remember all the President Ossoff hype.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Gracile on September 23, 2019, 10:17:45 AM
Rep. Hank Johnson (D) has endorsed Ossoff:



Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on September 23, 2019, 10:21:31 AM
Ew at them endorsing someone who has done little to nothing for Georgia citizens for such an important job.

Anyway this article eviscerates Ossoff:



Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Continential on September 23, 2019, 12:05:10 PM
Why are the Atlanta reps endorsing Ossoff?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: QAnonKelly on September 23, 2019, 05:51:25 PM
Ew at them endorsing someone who has done little to nothing for Georgia citizens for such an important job.

Anyway this article eviscerates Ossoff:



Really can't agree with that op-ed more. Ossoff and O'Rourke both let their close races get to their heads and have now jumped in over their heads. They should take the hit to their egos and work on registering voters and such bc that's what their states really need.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Continential on September 23, 2019, 06:20:07 PM
Ew at them endorsing someone who has done little to nothing for Georgia citizens for such an important job.

Anyway this article eviscerates Ossoff:



Really can't agree with that op-ed more. Ossoff and O'Rourke both let their close races get to their heads and have now jumped in over their heads. They should take the hit to their egos and work on registering voters and such bc that's what their states really need.
O'Rourke had a decent reason but Ossoff doesn't.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: QAnonKelly on September 23, 2019, 06:52:54 PM
Ew at them endorsing someone who has done little to nothing for Georgia citizens for such an important job.

Anyway this article eviscerates Ossoff:



Really can't agree with that op-ed more. Ossoff and O'Rourke both let their close races get to their heads and have now jumped in over their heads. They should take the hit to their egos and work on registering voters and such bc that's what their states really need.
O'Rourke had a decent reason but Ossoff doesn't.

What reason does a three term former congressman whose claim to fame is losing a senate race by 3 points have to run for President?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: TrendsareUsuallyReal on September 23, 2019, 06:55:50 PM
Well I’m writing off this seat if we nominate Ossoff


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Continential on September 23, 2019, 07:00:12 PM
Ew at them endorsing someone who has done little to nothing for Georgia citizens for such an important job.

Anyway this article eviscerates Ossoff:



Really can't agree with that op-ed more. Ossoff and O'Rourke both let their close races get to their heads and have now jumped in over their heads. They should take the hit to their egos and work on registering voters and such bc that's what their states really need.
O'Rourke had a decent reason but Ossoff doesn't.

What reason does a three term former congressman whose claim to fame is losing a senate race by 3 points have to run for President?
He was like leading in the polls and being in the top 5.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: JerryArkansas on September 23, 2019, 07:14:08 PM
See Atlas is being Atlas and deciding that someone will lose no matter what.  Don't change bros, don't change.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: TrendsareUsuallyReal on September 23, 2019, 07:15:58 PM
See Atlas is being Atlas and deciding that someone will lose no matter what.  Don't change bros, don't change.

Please don’t assume my gender


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on September 23, 2019, 09:17:42 PM
Well I’m writing off this seat if we nominate Ossoff
Counting on Tomlinson building a firewall in all of the counties below the fall line and stay very competitive in the non-white parts of metro Atlanta. Ossoff and Terry’s bases seem like they will be very white (Ossoff with older suburban white women/Terry with socialist bros) and Amico is irrelevant.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: QAnonKelly on September 23, 2019, 09:33:59 PM
Ew at them endorsing someone who has done little to nothing for Georgia citizens for such an important job.

Anyway this article eviscerates Ossoff:



Really can't agree with that op-ed more. Ossoff and O'Rourke both let their close races get to their heads and have now jumped in over their heads. They should take the hit to their egos and work on registering voters and such bc that's what their states really need.
O'Rourke had a decent reason but Ossoff doesn't.

What reason does a three term former congressman whose claim to fame is losing a senate race by 3 points have to run for President?
He was like leading in the polls and being in the top 5.
That's still not a good reason lol


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on October 01, 2019, 09:03:20 AM


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on October 01, 2019, 01:04:15 PM


$1.3 million COH.

Still think he is a Fyre Festival candidate. He is not appealing to rural black folks in South Georgia at all.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on October 01, 2019, 04:50:26 PM
Anybody want to speculate on Tomlinson's fundraising numbers?  What does she need to bring in to stay competitive?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on October 02, 2019, 10:54:13 PM


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on October 03, 2019, 07:25:07 AM


That's actually more than I expected.  Good to see some real money start to flow in the state.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on October 10, 2019, 09:17:19 AM
I am increasingly anxious about Teresa Tomlinson's campaign.

Quote
Lowering expectations? Former Columbus Mayor Teresa Tomlinson still hasn’t said how much campaign cash she raised over the last three months, but her figures are being closely watched by Democratic insiders.

That’s because her previous showing - she raised about $520,000 when she was the only Democratic candidate in the race - might have encouraged other Democratic rivals to join her in the race against U.S. Sen. David Perdue.

In a Twitter exchange on Wednesday, Tomlinson’s campaign manager Kendra Cotton appeared to dismiss Jon Ossoff, the former 6th District candidate who said he raised about $800,000 in the three weeks since entering the Senate race. Wrote Cotton:

    “If only $ votes. Cause we sure saw back in 2017 that one can have $40mil and fade into oblivion. Meanwhile, just 16mo later, a black woman w/ not even a quarter of the resources can actually win the same seat.”

The reference, of course, was to U.S. Rep. Lucy McBath, D-Marietta, and her defeat of Republican incumbent Karen Handel.

Tomlinson chimed in, too, writing that she believes she needs to raise between $3 million and $3.5 million to be competitive in a primary, and said “we are on track to do that.”

She said she still expects to raise at least $22 million - what she has long projected to be the floor for any credible campaign against Perdue - and added that most of the fundraising would come after the primary.

https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/the-jolt-ralph-reed-his-new-book-and-fear-christian-disaster-northern-syria/1F1pnRWPt1f2uTuaZL0c8M/ (https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/the-jolt-ralph-reed-his-new-book-and-fear-christian-disaster-northern-syria/1F1pnRWPt1f2uTuaZL0c8M/)


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: SnowLabrador on October 10, 2019, 10:27:38 AM
Yeah, I'm supporting Ossoff now. He can probably raise way more money than Tomlinson. I still wish Abrams would step in and save us.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Frenchrepublican on October 10, 2019, 11:00:21 AM
Anybody want to speculate on Tomlinson's fundraising numbers?  What does she need to bring in to stay competitive?

>800k $ (probably)

This race is not really competitive anyway. The path to a D senate majority is CO<AZ<ME<NC


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Politician on October 10, 2019, 11:02:00 AM
Anybody want to speculate on Tomlinson's fundraising numbers?  What does she need to bring in to stay competitive?

>800k $ (probably)

This race is not really competitive anyway. The path to a D senate majority is CO<AZ<ME<NC
It definitely is competitive, and the state has two senate elections anyway.

But yep, this is seat #51/#52, not #50.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Frenchrepublican on October 10, 2019, 03:16:24 PM
Anybody want to speculate on Tomlinson's fundraising numbers?  What does she need to bring in to stay competitive?

>800k $ (probably)

This race is not really competitive anyway. The path to a D senate majority is CO<AZ<ME<NC
It definitely is competitive, and the state has two senate elections anyway.

But yep, this is seat #51/#52, not #50.

Both GA sen races are as much competitive than MN sen or NH sen races, on the paper it looks competitive and it could be close, but it’s not really competitive.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on October 10, 2019, 04:05:48 PM
Both GA sen races are as much competitive than MN sen or NH sen races, on the paper it looks competitive and it could be close, but it’s not really competitive.
Once again, this individual who doesn't even live in the United States, does not know the situation on the ground in Georgia.

Both Senate seats are "Lean R" and only because of the run-off rule. The dam might bust and Dems head straight over 50 percent without ever looking back.

Yeah, I'm supporting Ossoff now. He can probably raise way more money than Tomlinson. I still wish Abrams would step in and save us.
The eventual nominee is going to get a lot of money. The election is over a year out. Go to Cuthbert, Albany, Bainbridge, Jesup, or Brunswick GA and no one would know who the hell Jon Ossoff is and what he stands for.

Ossoff ain't it. Perdue wants to run against him. Tomlinson is tough and intelligent and will skewer him.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on October 10, 2019, 04:21:42 PM
Both GA sen races are as much competitive than MN sen or NH sen races, on the paper it looks competitive and it could be close, but it’s not really competitive.
Once again, this individual who doesn't even live in the United States, does not know the situation on the ground in Georgia.

Both Senate seats are "Lean R" and only because of the run-off rule. The dam might bust and Dems head straight over 50 percent without ever looking back.

Yeah, I'm supporting Ossoff now. He can probably raise way more money than Tomlinson. I still wish Abrams would step in and save us.
The eventual nominee is going to get a lot of money. The election is over a year out. Go to Cuthbert, Albany, Bainbridge, Jesup, or Brunswick GA and no one would know who the hell Jon Ossoff is and what he stands for.

Ossoff ain't it. Perdue wants to run against him. Tomlinson is tough and intelligent and will skewer him.

I'm from Cairo, just down the road from Albany and Bainbridge.  My (big) extended family is still down there.  I can confirm this is true. 


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Continential on October 10, 2019, 04:32:16 PM
I'm 75% sure that the DSCC will endorse Ossoff because #moneywins is Chuck Schumer's stratagy. Also, what is Riggs Amico doing so far?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Frenchrepublican on October 10, 2019, 05:09:08 PM
Both GA sen races are as much competitive than MN sen or NH sen races, on the paper it looks competitive and it could be close, but it’s not really competitive.
Once again, this individual who doesn't even live in the United States, does not know the situation on the ground in Georgia.

Both Senate seats are "Lean R" and only because of the run-off rule. The dam might bust and Dems head straight over 50 percent without ever looking back.

Yeah, I'm supporting Ossoff now. He can probably raise way more money than Tomlinson. I still wish Abrams would step in and save us.
The eventual nominee is going to get a lot of money. The election is over a year out. Go to Cuthbert, Albany, Bainbridge, Jesup, or Brunswick GA and no one would know who the hell Jon Ossoff is and what he stands for.

Ossoff ain't it. Perdue wants to run against him. Tomlinson is tough and intelligent and will skewer him.

You love personal attacks ! Really, is it the only argument you have ? mUh, hE iS fRencH, hE doEsN’t LiVe oN tHe gRounD, bAd.

By the way your argument is stupid, I mean if some conservative dude who happen to live in MI tell you’’Trump will win MI in a landslide, because I live here, and all my friends support him.’’ Does it make Trump favoured to win MI ? No, of course. Because the friendship circle of this guy is not representative of the MI electorate. It’s the same thing for your argument, what your are seeing on the ground, the way your friends behave from a political perspective doesn’t make GA a swing state (at least not yet) because the place where you’re living and the people you encounter are not necessarily representative of the GA electorate.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on October 10, 2019, 05:15:23 PM
You love personal attacks ! Really, is it the only argument you have ? mUh, hE iS fRencH, hE doEsN’t LiVe oN tHe gRounD, bAd.

By the way your argument is stupid, I mean if some conservative dude who happen to live in MI tell you’’Trump will win MI in a landslide, because I live here, and all my friends support him.’’ Does it make Trump favoured to win MI ? No, of course. Because the friendship circle of this guy is not representative of the MI electorate. It’s the same thing for your argument, what your are seeing on the ground, the way your friends behave from a political perspective doesn’t make GA a swing state (at least not yet) because the place where you’re living and the people you encounter are not necessarily representative of the GA electorate.
Stating that you don't live in America (which is true) is a personal attack? K.

And I'm not just some dude making statements about who my friends voted for. My opinions are based in data, reason, and logic. Like I said, you're not here and you don't know the work being done from the state level down to the precinct level to make sure this state goes blue. You don't know what rooms I've sat in having these discussions and who was in them. LOL. GA is very competitive and I'll be here on Election Night 2020 helping you pick your jaw off the floor when both Senate seats go Democratic.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Frenchrepublican on October 10, 2019, 05:25:23 PM
You love personal attacks ! Really, is it the only argument you have ? mUh, hE iS fRencH, hE doEsN’t LiVe oN tHe gRounD, bAd.

By the way your argument is stupid, I mean if some conservative dude who happen to live in MI tell you’’Trump will win MI in a landslide, because I live here, and all my friends support him.’’ Does it make Trump favoured to win MI ? No, of course. Because the friendship circle of this guy is not representative of the MI electorate. It’s the same thing for your argument, what your are seeing on the ground, the way your friends behave from a political perspective doesn’t make GA a swing state (at least not yet) because the place where you’re living and the people you encounter are not necessarily representative of the GA electorate.
Stating that you don't live in America (which is true) is a personal attack? K.

And I'm not just some dude making statements about who my friends voted for. My opinions are based in data, reason, and logic. Like I said, you're not here and you don't know the work being done from the state level down to the precinct level to make sure this state goes blue. You don't know what rooms I've sat in having these discussions and who was in them. LOL. GA is very competitive and I'll be here on Election Night 2020 helping you pick your jaw off the floor when both Senate seats go Democratic.

The problem is that your are not giving counter arguments, you’re simply saying : you’re French, you’re not on the ground, so shut up, I know better than anyone else.

Based on datas ? Yeah, like the fact that democrats failed to win even one statewide election since 2002 (and failed miserably again last year despite a D+8 year and massive investments)

When both seats go Democratic ? Yeah, it will be beautiful to see : Senator Ossoff and Senator Tomlinson joining Governor Abrams in the alternative universe of a blue GA


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on October 10, 2019, 05:31:30 PM
The problem is that your are not giving counter arguments
GA's electorate is growing more non-white and these voters overwhelmingly support Democratic candidates (they voted 85-14 for the Democratic nominee for Governor) they were 40 percent of the electorate in 2018 and by all estimations will be 42 percent of the electorate in 2020. Not to mention the fact that Republicans are maxed out in rural GA and Trump is likely to do worse than Kemp in Metro Atlanta.

There.

Trump is not going to win the state by more than 2 points. It's not Likely R and neither are the Senate seats.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: QAnonKelly on October 10, 2019, 05:43:39 PM
You love personal attacks ! Really, is it the only argument you have ? mUh, hE iS fRencH, hE doEsN’t LiVe oN tHe gRounD, bAd.

By the way your argument is stupid, I mean if some conservative dude who happen to live in MI tell you’’Trump will win MI in a landslide, because I live here, and all my friends support him.’’ Does it make Trump favoured to win MI ? No, of course. Because the friendship circle of this guy is not representative of the MI electorate. It’s the same thing for your argument, what your are seeing on the ground, the way your friends behave from a political perspective doesn’t make GA a swing state (at least not yet) because the place where you’re living and the people you encounter are not necessarily representative of the GA electorate.
Stating that you don't live in America (which is true) is a personal attack? K.

And I'm not just some dude making statements about who my friends voted for. My opinions are based in data, reason, and logic. Like I said, you're not here and you don't know the work being done from the state level down to the precinct level to make sure this state goes blue. You don't know what rooms I've sat in having these discussions and who was in them. LOL. GA is very competitive and I'll be here on Election Night 2020 helping you pick your jaw off the floor when both Senate seats go Democratic.

The problem is that your are not giving counter arguments, you’re simply saying : you’re French, you’re not on the ground, so shut up, I know better than anyone else.

Based on datas ? Yeah, like the fact that democrats failed to win even one statewide election since 2002 (and failed miserably again last year despite a D+8 year and massive investments)

When both seats go Democratic ? Yeah, it will be beautiful to see : Senator Ossoff and Senator Tomlinson joining Governor Abrams in the alternative universe of a blue GA

Dude, you've been told this a million times and still won't get it through your thick skull, GA is an inelastic, racially polarized state. You can't use a D+8 national environment to explain anything. The state is on the cusp of being majority-minority and college-educated millennials are becoming a bigger piece of the pie with each passing election, it's only a matter of time before the dam bursts. It could be next year, could be '22 but it's a ticking time bomb.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Frenchrepublican on October 10, 2019, 05:45:52 PM
The problem is that your are not giving counter arguments
GA's electorate is growing more non-white and these voters overwhelmingly support Democratic candidates (they voted 85-14 for the Democratic nominee for Governor) they were 40 percent of the electorate in 2018 and by all estimations will be 42 percent of the electorate in 2020. Not to mention the fact that Republicans are maxed out in rural GA and Trump is likely to do worse than Kemp in Metro Atlanta.

There.

Trump is not going to win the state by more than 2 points. It's not Likely R and neither are the Senate seats.

Okay

- Minorities represent a rising share of the electorate, it’s a fact, yeah. Now, it’s not unconceivable to imagine Trump doing a bit better among non white voters than Kemp, let’s say 17% rather than 15%.

- Every election cycle democrats think that they have hit the bottom in rural areas and that their numbers can only go up. That’s what they thought after 2012 (remember the Clinton will be competitive in the rural south again because she is not black). That’s also what they thought after 2016. And look, Kemp did even better than Trump in rural GA.

- It’s possible that Trump will do worse than Kemp is some suburbs (Cobb County for example) ; but on the other hand Kemp was not a very good fit for white college educated voters, so don’t expect a big drop off either.
(By the way I doubt that Warren would be very popular in Buckhead)


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Frenchrepublican on October 10, 2019, 05:49:50 PM
You love personal attacks ! Really, is it the only argument you have ? mUh, hE iS fRencH, hE doEsN’t LiVe oN tHe gRounD, bAd.

By the way your argument is stupid, I mean if some conservative dude who happen to live in MI tell you’’Trump will win MI in a landslide, because I live here, and all my friends support him.’’ Does it make Trump favoured to win MI ? No, of course. Because the friendship circle of this guy is not representative of the MI electorate. It’s the same thing for your argument, what your are seeing on the ground, the way your friends behave from a political perspective doesn’t make GA a swing state (at least not yet) because the place where you’re living and the people you encounter are not necessarily representative of the GA electorate.
Stating that you don't live in America (which is true) is a personal attack? K.

And I'm not just some dude making statements about who my friends voted for. My opinions are based in data, reason, and logic. Like I said, you're not here and you don't know the work being done from the state level down to the precinct level to make sure this state goes blue. You don't know what rooms I've sat in having these discussions and who was in them. LOL. GA is very competitive and I'll be here on Election Night 2020 helping you pick your jaw off the floor when both Senate seats go Democratic.

The problem is that your are not giving counter arguments, you’re simply saying : you’re French, you’re not on the ground, so shut up, I know better than anyone else.

Based on datas ? Yeah, like the fact that democrats failed to win even one statewide election since 2002 (and failed miserably again last year despite a D+8 year and massive investments)

When both seats go Democratic ? Yeah, it will be beautiful to see : Senator Ossoff and Senator Tomlinson joining Governor Abrams in the alternative universe of a blue GA

Dude, you've been told this a million times and still won't get it through your thick skull, GA is an inelastic, racially polarized state. You can't use a D+8 national environment to explain anything. The state is on the cusp of being majority-minority and college-educated millennials are becoming a bigger piece of the pie with each passing election, it's only a matter of time before the dam bursts. It could be next year, could be '22 but it's a ticking time bomb.

Yeah, on the longer term GA will be a problem, at least if republicans don’t improve their numbers with minorities.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on October 15, 2019, 10:35:11 AM
Yikes!



Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on October 15, 2019, 11:21:31 AM
Good for McBath!  Terry should stop wasting everyone's time. Now where are those Tomlinson numbers?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Zaybay on October 15, 2019, 11:22:38 AM
Yeah, this looks like a primary between Tomlinson and Ossoff.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Yellowhammer on October 15, 2019, 11:59:29 AM
Sad to see Georgia slipping into a red Hell like Virginia before it. How long before they elect a communist Lenin wannabe like Abrams as governor or senator? Who knows, but I don't think it will happen in 2020. All I know is that if I lived there, I'd be getting the hell out when it does happen and the state becomes Illinois 2.0.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 15, 2019, 12:04:15 PM
Sad to see Georgia slipping into a red Hell like Virginia before it. How long before they elect a communist Lenin wannabe like Abrams as governor or senator? Who knows, but I don't think it will happen in 2020. All I know is that if I lived there, I'd be getting the hell out when it does happen and the state becomes Illinois 2.0.

Just wait until me and my family and friends move there (a growing possibility by the day). It'll be +9 D votes. :-)


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Donerail on October 15, 2019, 12:07:13 PM
Sad to see Georgia slipping into a red Hell like Virginia before it. How long before they elect a communist Lenin wannabe like Abrams as governor or senator? Who knows, but I don't think it will happen in 2020. All I know is that if I lived there, I'd be getting the hell out when it does happen and the state becomes Illinois 2.0.
Man you make it all sound so much cooler than it actually is


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Yellowhammer on October 15, 2019, 12:07:25 PM
Sad to see Georgia slipping into a red Hell like Virginia before it. How long before they elect a communist Lenin wannabe like Abrams as governor or senator? Who knows, but I don't think it will happen in 2020. All I know is that if I lived there, I'd be getting the hell out when it does happen and the state becomes Illinois 2.0.

Just wait until me and my family and friends move there (a growing possibility by the day). It'll be +9 D votes. :-)

I'm worried about political refugees flooding our state in 20-25 years. Sensible people will have little recourse but to flee once it's been controlled by ANC-style communists for a few election cycles.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 15, 2019, 12:11:23 PM
Sad to see Georgia slipping into a red Hell like Virginia before it. How long before they elect a communist Lenin wannabe like Abrams as governor or senator? Who knows, but I don't think it will happen in 2020. All I know is that if I lived there, I'd be getting the hell out when it does happen and the state becomes Illinois 2.0.

Just wait until me and my family and friends move there (a growing possibility by the day). It'll be +9 D votes. :-)

I'm worried about political refugees flooding our state in 20-25 years. Sensible people will have little recourse but to flee once it's been controlled by ANC-style communists for a few election cycles.

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Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on October 15, 2019, 12:30:04 PM
Sad to see Georgia slipping into a red Hell like Virginia before it. How long before they elect a communist Lenin wannabe like Abrams as governor or senator? Who knows, but I don't think it will happen in 2020. All I know is that if I lived there, I'd be getting the hell out when it does happen and the state becomes Illinois 2.0.

Just wait until me and my family and friends move there (a growing possibility by the day). It'll be +9 D votes. :-)
Currently trying to get my friend (she’s an Emory student) to convince her family to move here. LOL. They’re Ethiopian. Have really tried to sell them on the immense diversity in Metro Atlanta. California is getting to expensive for them.

Oh and #TeamTomlinson



Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on October 15, 2019, 12:37:16 PM
Sad to see Georgia slipping into a red Hell like Virginia before it. How long before they elect a communist Lenin wannabe like Abrams as governor or senator? Who knows, but I don't think it will happen in 2020. All I know is that if I lived there, I'd be getting the hell out when it does happen and the state becomes Illinois 2.0.

Just wait until me and my family and friends move there (a growing possibility by the day). It'll be +9 D votes. :-)
Currently trying to get my friend (she’s an Emory student) to convince her family to move here. LOL. They’re Ethiopian. Have really tried to sell them on the immense diversity in Metro Atlanta. California is getting to expensive for them.

Oh and #TeamTomlinson



I was hoping she'd pass the $1 million mark, but that's still a respectable haul. She probably would have brought in more if not for Osoff's entry into the race.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 15, 2019, 12:45:40 PM
Sad to see Georgia slipping into a red Hell like Virginia before it. How long before they elect a communist Lenin wannabe like Abrams as governor or senator? Who knows, but I don't think it will happen in 2020. All I know is that if I lived there, I'd be getting the hell out when it does happen and the state becomes Illinois 2.0.

Just wait until me and my family and friends move there (a growing possibility by the day). It'll be +9 D votes. :-)
Currently trying to get my friend (she’s an Emory student) to convince her family to move here. LOL. They’re Ethiopian. Have really tried to sell them on the immense diversity in Metro Atlanta. California is getting to expensive for them.

Oh and #TeamTomlinson



I didn't believe it until I recently visited the state. My friend, who has been living there for 5 years or so, has nothing but great things to say about the ATL area.

Personally, I loved Athens as well.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on October 15, 2019, 12:48:37 PM
Hang on.  That $925k total--is that just this quarter, or this and last together?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: President Johnson on October 15, 2019, 12:50:11 PM
Sad to see Georgia slipping into a red Hell like Virginia before it. How long before they elect a communist Lenin wannabe like Abrams as governor or senator? Who knows, but I don't think it will happen in 2020. All I know is that if I lived there, I'd be getting the hell out when it does happen and the state becomes Illinois 2.0.

Just wait until me and my family and friends move there (a growing possibility by the day). It'll be +9 D votes. :-)
Currently trying to get my friend (she’s an Emory student) to convince her family to move here. LOL. They’re Ethiopian. Have really tried to sell them on the immense diversity in Metro Atlanta. California is getting to expensive for them.

Oh and #TeamTomlinson



Go Queen Teresa <3

Ossoff would be a weaker general election candidate, like he blew GA-06 with allowing the Republicans to define him as out-of-touch Hollywood liberal and Pelosi puppet.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on October 15, 2019, 01:08:19 PM
Hang on.  That $925k total--is that just this quarter, or this and last together?
I didn't watch the video in the tweet until now, after watching the video. She definitely said this was money raised "to date".

Kind of "Yikes!" for me, but not as bad as Terry. And Amico probably self-funded a lot of her haul *no way in hell she raised $700k with how little known she is and how quiet she's been since getting in* ; Ossoff is nationally known so her total is just reflective of how the Resistance isn't taking GA seriously because Perdue is not as known or polarizing as the Turtle and Lindsey Graham. Still believe she will win the nomination!



Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Frenchrepublican on October 15, 2019, 01:08:41 PM
She is lying, she raised only 400k in Q3.

$925k = Q3 + Q2



Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: QAnonKelly on October 15, 2019, 01:09:49 PM
Sad to see Georgia slipping into a red Hell like Virginia before it. How long before they elect a communist Lenin wannabe like Abrams as governor or senator? Who knows, but I don't think it will happen in 2020. All I know is that if I lived there, I'd be getting the hell out when it does happen and the state becomes Illinois 2.0.

Just wait until me and my family and friends move there (a growing possibility by the day). It'll be +9 D votes. :-)

I'm worried about political refugees flooding our state in 20-25 years. Sensible people will have little recourse but to flee once it's been controlled by ANC-style communists for a few election cycles.

Yeah almost no one who lives in Atlanta will ever want to live in your hellhole of a state.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on October 15, 2019, 01:11:58 PM
She is lying, she raised only 400k in Q3.
She was spinning, not lying, that's what Trump and Perdue do.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Frenchrepublican on October 15, 2019, 01:15:06 PM
She is lying, she raised only 400k in Q3.
She was spinning, not lying, that's what Trump and Perdue do.

Lol. #DoubleStandard


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Yellowhammer on October 15, 2019, 02:20:08 PM
Sad to see Georgia slipping into a red Hell like Virginia before it. How long before they elect a communist Lenin wannabe like Abrams as governor or senator? Who knows, but I don't think it will happen in 2020. All I know is that if I lived there, I'd be getting the hell out when it does happen and the state becomes Illinois 2.0.

Just wait until me and my family and friends move there (a growing possibility by the day). It'll be +9 D votes. :-)

I'm worried about political refugees flooding our state in 20-25 years. Sensible people will have little recourse but to flee once it's been controlled by ANC-style communists for a few election cycles.

Yeah almost no one who lives in Atlanta will ever want to live in your hellhole of a state.

My family is literally white flight from the Atlanta metro area. Yes, people will want to leave.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on October 15, 2019, 03:50:06 PM
Yikes, I take back the nice things I said earlier.  If she's gone two quarters and hasn't yet gotten to $1 million, that's terrible. I still think she'd be a better candidate than Osoff and I'll keep making my monthly donation, but Tomlinson has got to start bringing in more money.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on October 15, 2019, 04:31:30 PM


Yikes, I take back the nice things I said earlier.  If she's gone two quarters and hasn't yet gotten to $1 million, that's terrible. I still think she'd be a better candidate than Osoff and I'll keep making my monthly donation, but Tomlinson has got to start bringing in more money.
I agree. We'll see. Her entire senior staff is comprised of black women, and from what I've heard that's the primary demographic they're targeting. Notice many of her primary endorsements save Roy Barnes have come from black civil rights leaders and black mayors of cities south of the Fall Line. Ossoff is a Fyre Festival candidate coasting on his name rec and email list from 2017.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on October 15, 2019, 04:37:07 PM

Yikes, I take back the nice things I said earlier.  If she's gone two quarters and hasn't yet gotten to $1 million, that's terrible. I still think she'd be a better candidate than Osoff and I'll keep making my monthly donation, but Tomlinson has got to start bringing in more money.
I agree. We'll see. Her entire senior staff is comprised of black women, and from what I've heard that's the primary demographic they're targeting. Notice many of her primary endorsements save Roy Barnes have come from black civil rights leaders and black mayors of cities south of the Fall Line. Ossoff is a Fyre Festival candidate coasting on his name rec and email list from 2017.

And yet https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/georgia-senate-ossoff-lands-endorsements-from-black-officials/pRarbApEkqVGRrNolKWxjP/ (https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/georgia-senate-ossoff-lands-endorsements-from-black-officials/pRarbApEkqVGRrNolKWxjP/)


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on October 15, 2019, 04:46:31 PM

Yikes, I take back the nice things I said earlier.  If she's gone two quarters and hasn't yet gotten to $1 million, that's terrible. I still think she'd be a better candidate than Osoff and I'll keep making my monthly donation, but Tomlinson has got to start bringing in more money.
I agree. We'll see. Her entire senior staff is comprised of black women, and from what I've heard that's the primary demographic they're targeting. Notice many of her primary endorsements save Roy Barnes have come from black civil rights leaders and black mayors of cities south of the Fall Line. Ossoff is a Fyre Festival candidate coasting on his name rec and email list from 2017.

And yet https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/georgia-senate-ossoff-lands-endorsements-from-black-officials/pRarbApEkqVGRrNolKWxjP/ (https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/georgia-senate-ossoff-lands-endorsements-from-black-officials/pRarbApEkqVGRrNolKWxjP/)
And that's wonderful for him. I didn't say Ossoff was hurting for black endorsements I said that black women, especially those downstate, are what Tomlinson's team plan to court the hardest. My comment on Ossoff was about his thin resume and only being relevant because of 2017. His endorsements from Lewis and Johnson were solely about superficial reasons like name rec and fundraising (which is fine, primaries are about putting forth who you think is most competitive), but there's nothing in his background that he can tout to black voters about why they should vote for him.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on October 15, 2019, 04:52:54 PM

Yikes, I take back the nice things I said earlier.  If she's gone two quarters and hasn't yet gotten to $1 million, that's terrible. I still think she'd be a better candidate than Osoff and I'll keep making my monthly donation, but Tomlinson has got to start bringing in more money.
I agree. We'll see. Her entire senior staff is comprised of black women, and from what I've heard that's the primary demographic they're targeting. Notice many of her primary endorsements save Roy Barnes have come from black civil rights leaders and black mayors of cities south of the Fall Line. Ossoff is a Fyre Festival candidate coasting on his name rec and email list from 2017.

And yet https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/georgia-senate-ossoff-lands-endorsements-from-black-officials/pRarbApEkqVGRrNolKWxjP/ (https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/georgia-senate-ossoff-lands-endorsements-from-black-officials/pRarbApEkqVGRrNolKWxjP/)
And that's wonderful for him. I didn't say Ossoff was hurting for black endorsements I said that black women, especially those downstate, are what Tomlinson's team plan to court the hardest. My comment on Ossoff was about his thin resume and only being relevant because of 2017. His endorsements from Lewis and Johnson were solely about superficial reasons like name rec and fundraising (which is fine, primaries are about putting forth who you think is most competitive), but there's nothing in his background that he can tout to black voters about why they should vote for him.

Don't get me wrong. I think Osoff is a joke and on paper Tomlinson should be wiping the floor with him. But her campaign is just not doing what it needs to do, which sucks because I really like her. There's still time to turn things around, but if it doesn't happen soon she may as well start planning her 2022 Lieutenant Governor run.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on October 15, 2019, 04:57:17 PM
Don't get me wrong. I think Osoff is a joke and on paper Tomlinson should be wiping the floor with him. But her campaign is just not doing what it needs to do, which sucks because I really like her. There's still time to turn things around, but if it doesn't happen soon she may as well start planning her 2022 Lieutenant Governor run.
We are definitely on the same page! I am hosting a fundraiser for her next month and plan on canvassing every weekend once those opportunities become available.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: RogueBeaver on October 15, 2019, 05:30:06 PM


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on October 15, 2019, 05:48:44 PM

I'm glad the money is starting to flow in Georgia, but I wish it weren't flowing to a lightweight like Ossoff.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Los Angeles Swag Boss on October 16, 2019, 12:03:34 AM
Yeah, this looks like a primary between Tomlinson and Ossoff.

I don't even know about this.

If Ossoff has 1.3M CoH with a relatively "soft launch" and it's taken Tomlinson 5 months to get to 950k raised..... what can Ossoff do by March 2020? Another 2M raised? Does that take Tomlinson out of the race?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on October 16, 2019, 12:36:33 AM
Money doesn’t vote.

If it did Cagle would have steamrolled folks in the GOP Gubernatorial Primary and probably be Governor. But it doesn’t and he’s not.

Ossoff is formidable but Resistance Twitter is not going to buy him the nomination.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Nutmeg on October 16, 2019, 09:58:48 AM
I'm a confused as to how Ossoff consistently is able to raise such huge amounts of cash.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: libertpaulian on October 16, 2019, 10:04:55 AM
Let's ask Beto O'Rourke how successful running for a higher office is after you lose a race for a lower one.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on October 16, 2019, 12:24:03 PM
I'm a confused as to how Ossoff consistently is able to raise such huge amounts of cash.

Same.  At the same time, the 2017 special was high profile and helped build his donor list, his base is in the wealthy Atlanta suburbs, and the John Lewis endorsement is a huge signal of establishment support.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on October 21, 2019, 08:18:08 AM


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on October 21, 2019, 08:57:18 AM
His experience includes service on of the Board of Trustees for the @dscc and as a member of the Nat’l  Finance Committee for @BarackObama, as well as serving in his Administration in Washington.    Leeds was also Chair for Senator Max Cleland’s campaigns and political committees as well as serving as Senior Advisor to Michelle Nunn in her 2014 Senate race.

I think this is a good sign.  Tomlinson obviously needs to shake up her fundraising, and Leeds seems well connected.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: SnowLabrador on October 22, 2019, 07:35:49 AM
Hopefully Tomlinson's new fundraising director helps her raise enough cash to be viable statewide. But, according to the article I've linked below, this primary is turning out to be quite nasty, which will only help Perdue.

https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/georgia-senate-ossoff-rival-accuses-him-opting-civil-rights-icon/tKcIEBD9SW1k8DKMXNtXTM/


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on October 22, 2019, 07:49:52 AM
Hopefully Tomlinson's new fundraising director helps her raise enough cash to be viable statewide. But, according to the article I've linked below, this primary is turning out to be quite nasty, which will only help Perdue.

https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/georgia-senate-ossoff-rival-accuses-him-opting-civil-rights-icon/tKcIEBD9SW1k8DKMXNtXTM/

That article ends with this:  "Ossoff declined to comment, but an aide described the campaign as puzzled that Tomlinson would want to draw even more attention to Lewis’ endorsement."  Same here, man--this is not the kind of back and forth Tomlinson should want to get into.  I like her a lot, but Tomlinson's pick of Kendra Cotton as campaign manager increasingly seems like a major mistake.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: ajc0918 on October 22, 2019, 08:28:00 AM
I'm a confused as to how Ossoff consistently is able to raise such huge amounts of cash.

He rents his email lists from the special election to other campaigns I believe.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Frenchrepublican on October 22, 2019, 08:44:55 AM
I'm a confused as to how Ossoff consistently is able to raise such huge amounts of cash.

He rents his email lists from the special election to other campaigns I believe.

Is it even legal ?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Pollster on October 23, 2019, 10:05:39 AM
I'm a confused as to how Ossoff consistently is able to raise such huge amounts of cash.

He rents his email lists from the special election to other campaigns I believe.

Is it even legal ?

Yes, so long as they state that they do this/reserve the right to do this when the person signs up. Most campaigns have it in the fine print at the bottom of the page somewhere.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on October 23, 2019, 01:42:30 PM
But, according to the article I've linked below, this primary is turning out to be quite nasty, which will only help Perdue.
Nobody is paying attention to this. The campaign manager made this comment from her personal Facebook. I'm pretty sure, she will act accordingly and safeguard her page/avoid discussion of other candidates. This was not coming from the campaign or the candidate.

Tomlinson is out working hard and doing outreach. Ossoff is not the shoe-in that non-Georgians think he is.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Pollster on November 21, 2019, 10:35:14 AM
Please tell me this ad didn't actually run on television (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Da7ZtkTQWo)


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Grumpier Than Thou on November 21, 2019, 10:37:44 AM
Please tell me this ad didn't actually run on television (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Da7ZtkTQWo)

That is the worst, most amateurish ad I've ever seen and I pray it didn't actually air.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on November 21, 2019, 10:45:39 AM
Please tell me this ad didn't actually run on television (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Da7ZtkTQWo)

That is the worst, most amateurish ad I've ever seen and I pray it didn't actually air.

It was just a digital ad--little more than a jokey dig to quickly throw online.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Grumpier Than Thou on November 21, 2019, 10:51:36 AM
Please tell me this ad didn't actually run on television (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Da7ZtkTQWo)

That is the worst, most amateurish ad I've ever seen and I pray it didn't actually air.

It was just a digital ad--little more than a jokey dig to quickly throw online.

That makes it...somewhat better.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on January 14, 2020, 04:29:59 PM
Teresa lost her campaign manager, field director, and digital director....

The campaign is now going to be run through a consulting firm....

https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/georgia-senate-several-top-tomlinson-deputies-leave-campaign/gbrRGS9WgwWz2lxzf1PhVL/

I see this is her attempt at a reboot, she is adding pink to her branding so I guess she’s trying to lean in on being a woman:




Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Pollster on January 15, 2020, 11:13:39 AM
The significant news out of this story is that the campaign is being taken over by Lou Elrod, a big get with a lot of wins under his belt in GA.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Adam Griffin on January 15, 2020, 11:36:38 AM
So much I might say if I were somebody else, but I'm not, so I won't!


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Hindsight was 2020 on January 15, 2020, 09:25:40 PM
Why has the recruiting for these two seats suck so much?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: QAnonKelly on January 16, 2020, 09:06:46 AM
Why has the recruiting for these two seats suck so much?

I think everyone wants to wait until 2022


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Pollster on January 16, 2020, 09:56:25 AM
Why has the recruiting for these two seats suck so much?

I think everyone wants to wait until 2022

Agreed, I assume many Dems here are more interested in running statewide on a ticket with Abrams even under a Dem President than with a potentially damaged Presidential nominee and Trump on the ballot.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: QAnonKelly on January 16, 2020, 04:30:08 PM
Why has the recruiting for these two seats suck so much?

I think everyone wants to wait until 2022

Agreed, I assume many Dems here are more interested in running statewide on a ticket with Abrams even under a Dem President than with a potentially damaged Presidential nominee and Trump on the ballot.

Also seems like it’s gonna be the year the damn finally breaks unless Kemp finds a way to drop a nuke only on Gwinnett County or something.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: OSR stands with Israel on January 18, 2020, 03:05:22 PM
Why has the recruiting for these two seats suck so much?

I think everyone wants to wait until 2022

That is a terrible strategy cause if a Dem is in the WH then it will be very unlikely the Dems win that seat. The chances of Dems winning a seat in GA are like this


2022 With Trump in the WH> 2020 Senate Special Election> 2020 General Election > 2022 with a Dem in the WH


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: QAnonKelly on January 19, 2020, 10:04:19 AM
Why has the recruiting for these two seats suck so much?

I think everyone wants to wait until 2022

That is a terrible strategy cause if a Dem is in the WH then it will be very unlikely the Dems win that seat. The chances of Dems winning a seat in GA are like this


2022 With Trump in the WH> 2020 Senate Special Election> 2020 General Election > 2022 with a Dem in the WH

Yeah that doesn’t mean jack in a racially polarized, ineleastic state. Nothing is going to sop GA on its leftward March, once it’s gone, it’s gone for good.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Adam Griffin on January 19, 2020, 10:15:50 AM
Why has the recruiting for these two seats suck so much?

I have a theory.

There's a certain level of difficulty/handicaps to factor in that is possibly causing this.

While having a ton of candidates in one race means that your chances of winning the nomination are much lower in that race (assuming they're credible ones), there is no nomination to be had in the other race. Isakson's race will be akin to the LA jungle primary: any and all candidates will appear on the same ballot, with the runoff occurring in January.

The odds of at least 1 or 2 rando Dems jumping in and siphoning off like 0.5-1% each is high (and at least with the former, practically guaranteed; the Ossoff race is probably the best recent example in GA, as is the 2019 LA jungle primary in general). It's very unlikely that there will end up being just 1 Democrat on the ballot for the Isakson jungle primary, even if Lieberman dropped out and one of the credible challengers from the Perdue race jumped ship to this one. It gets exponentially more difficult to win a race in GA as a Democrat with each percentage point you siphon off to either a fellow Democrat or independent in these jungle primary/runoff situations, for obvious reasons (50% +1).

So while in theory it might be nominally harder to knock off Perdue as an incumbent when compared to running in an open race, there's also the fact that you have no way to nail down your party's total endorsement or nomination in said open race - and you'll likely be running against a few random Democrats (and/or independents) who siphon off a few points. That virtually guarantees no outcome other than a runoff, which we would almost certainly lose.

If you want a Senate seat in GA as a Democrat, then you need to win on Election Night in November. I believe there's a better chance of that happening in the Perdue race, and that this is why everybody is clustering to challenge Perdue.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: OSR stands with Israel on January 19, 2020, 10:26:11 AM
Why has the recruiting for these two seats suck so much?

I think everyone wants to wait until 2022

That is a terrible strategy cause if a Dem is in the WH then it will be very unlikely the Dems win that seat. The chances of Dems winning a seat in GA are like this


2022 With Trump in the WH> 2020 Senate Special Election> 2020 General Election > 2022 with a Dem in the WH

Yeah that doesn’t mean jack in a racially polarized, ineleastic state. Nothing is going to sop GA on its leftward March, once it’s gone, it’s gone for good.


If Dems can’t win it in 2020 with Trump in the WH and in a Dem year they certainly won’t be able to win it in 2022 .

Their best case scenario would be a repeat of 2020 result but all that would do is hurt the career of a good candidate.





Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: OneJ on January 19, 2020, 11:10:03 AM
Why has the recruiting for these two seats suck so much?

I think everyone wants to wait until 2022

That is a terrible strategy cause if a Dem is in the WH then it will be very unlikely the Dems win that seat. The chances of Dems winning a seat in GA are like this


2022 With Trump in the WH> 2020 Senate Special Election> 2020 General Election > 2022 with a Dem in the WH

All you have to do is look back at 2018 Senate results and see that this isn't a sure a bet by any means. 2018 was a D+8 year and yet it didn't stop McCaskill, Donnelly, and Heitkamp from getting the boot. All three of those states were trending away from the Democrats and Georgia is doing the opposite. If anything, 2022 is likely Democrats' best chance considering how polarized this current climate is and Dems just have more realistic pickup opportunities that year even with a Democratic president.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: OSR stands with Israel on January 19, 2020, 11:47:38 AM
Why has the recruiting for these two seats suck so much?

I think everyone wants to wait until 2022

That is a terrible strategy cause if a Dem is in the WH then it will be very unlikely the Dems win that seat. The chances of Dems winning a seat in GA are like this


2022 With Trump in the WH> 2020 Senate Special Election> 2020 General Election > 2022 with a Dem in the WH

All you have to do is look back at 2018 Senate results and see that this isn't a sure a bet by any means. 2018 was a D+8 year and yet it didn't stop McCaskill, Donnelly, and Heitkamp from getting the boot. All three of those states were trending away from the Democrats and Georgia is doing the opposite. If anything, 2022 is likely Democrats' best chance considering how polarized this current climate is and Dems just have more realistic pickup opportunities that year even with a Democratic president.

That’s is a horrible comparison given how far MO , IN , and ND were already solid R states by then . GA won’t even be where OH was in 2018 by 2022 let alone those 3 states . A better comparison is where MO was in 2006 , for IN was only in Dems hands due to GOP throwing away that seat in 2012 and ND they won it in 2012 due to luck .







Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: QAnonKelly on January 19, 2020, 11:50:18 AM
Two years is a long time in a rapidly diversifying state. You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take and all...


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: ON Progressive on January 19, 2020, 04:39:06 PM
Why has the recruiting for these two seats suck so much?

I have a theory.

There's a certain level of difficulty/handicaps to factor in that is possibly causing this.

While having a ton of candidates in one race means that your chances of winning the nomination are much lower in that race (assuming they're credible ones), there is no nomination to be had in the other race. Isakson's race will be akin to the LA jungle primary: any and all candidates will appear on the same ballot, with the runoff occurring in January.

The odds of at least 1 or 2 rando Dems jumping in and siphoning off like 0.5-1% each is high (and at least with the former, practically guaranteed; the Ossoff race is probably the best recent example in GA, as is the 2019 LA jungle primary in general). It's very unlikely that there will end up being just 1 Democrat on the ballot for the Isakson jungle primary, even if Lieberman dropped out and one of the credible challengers from the Perdue race jumped ship to this one. It gets exponentially more difficult to win a race in GA as a Democrat with each percentage point you siphon off to either a fellow Democrat or independent in these jungle primary/runoff situations, for obvious reasons (50% +1).

So while in theory it might be nominally harder to knock off Perdue as an incumbent when compared to running in an open race, there's also the fact that you have no way to nail down your party's total endorsement or nomination in said open race - and you'll likely be running against a few random Democrats (and/or independents) who siphon off a few points. That virtually guarantees no outcome other than a runoff, which we would almost certainly lose.

If you want a Senate seat in GA as a Democrat, then you need to win on Election Night in November. I believe there's a better chance of that happening in the Perdue race, and that this is why everybody is clustering to challenge Perdue.

That explains the special election, but doesn't explain the terrible recruiting in the Perdue race when the question was about both the special and the Perdue race.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Adam Griffin on January 19, 2020, 05:08:13 PM
Why has the recruiting for these two seats suck so much?

I have a theory.

There's a certain level of difficulty/handicaps to factor in that is possibly causing this.

While having a ton of candidates in one race means that your chances of winning the nomination are much lower in that race (assuming they're credible ones), there is no nomination to be had in the other race. Isakson's race will be akin to the LA jungle primary: any and all candidates will appear on the same ballot, with the runoff occurring in January.

The odds of at least 1 or 2 rando Dems jumping in and siphoning off like 0.5-1% each is high (and at least with the former, practically guaranteed; the Ossoff race is probably the best recent example in GA, as is the 2019 LA jungle primary in general). It's very unlikely that there will end up being just 1 Democrat on the ballot for the Isakson jungle primary, even if Lieberman dropped out and one of the credible challengers from the Perdue race jumped ship to this one. It gets exponentially more difficult to win a race in GA as a Democrat with each percentage point you siphon off to either a fellow Democrat or independent in these jungle primary/runoff situations, for obvious reasons (50% +1).

So while in theory it might be nominally harder to knock off Perdue as an incumbent when compared to running in an open race, there's also the fact that you have no way to nail down your party's total endorsement or nomination in said open race - and you'll likely be running against a few random Democrats (and/or independents) who siphon off a few points. That virtually guarantees no outcome other than a runoff, which we would almost certainly lose.

If you want a Senate seat in GA as a Democrat, then you need to win on Election Night in November. I believe there's a better chance of that happening in the Perdue race, and that this is why everybody is clustering to challenge Perdue.

That explains the special election, but doesn't explain the terrible recruiting in the Perdue race when the question was about both the special and the Perdue race.

For the other seat, it's pretty simple: there is no tangible bench in Georgia. Virtually every elected Democrat - from city council to State Senate to US House - represents an area that is utterly noncompetitive in general elections. The vast, vast majority of elected Democrats in Georgia represent districts and jurisdictions that are >60% Democratic; the majority represent areas that are >75-80% Democratic. Barring the occasional and random out-county Dixiecrat who's been in office for 20+ years, there is nobody who knows how to win an actually competitive D v R general election in office - and this lack of experience shows in real campaigns.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Frenchrepublican on January 20, 2020, 11:12:20 AM
GA-Sen AJC Poll : Perdue has a 51/28 approval rate

https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/ajc-poll-georgians-oppose-ousting-trump-impeachment-trial/0EL17qnjh9HAQfmHNPZ3jM/


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Frenchrepublican on January 20, 2020, 11:13:19 AM


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Pericles on January 20, 2020, 12:25:07 PM
"Charlie Baker is really popular, clearly MA is a safe R state." That poll has impeachment only down 5% (so the state is just over 5% to the right of the nation). The funniest thing is that it also says 47% of Georgians will definitely vote against Trump (while only 44% are definitely for him, with 2% not voting and 8% undecided). Trump's net approval is 4% while his net favorability is -3%. So the results are a bit weird but consistently with a Lean R state.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on January 20, 2020, 04:00:43 PM
https://twitter.com/HotlineJosh/status/1219254894974119936
Kemp is not getting 60 percent of the vote but go off. Y'all will believe what you want until it happens and then you'll either pretend you saw it coming or blame the candidate like Trump does.

Abrams is going to raise a sh**t-ton of money in 2022 and huge press that will draw out loads of low propensity POC. The only faction of her coalition she has to worry about is keeping college ed whites in the suburbs as D as they are now. Non-white voters are going to be more of the electorate than they were in 2018, period.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Oryxslayer on January 26, 2020, 07:49:06 PM


Terry's exit likely benefits Ossoff.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: MT Treasurer on January 26, 2020, 08:23:52 PM
If Dems can’t win it in 2020 with Trump in the WH and in a Dem year they certainly won’t be able to win it in 2022 .

You do realize that GA Democrats did better in 2014 than in 2012?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on January 26, 2020, 09:07:44 PM
Terry probably had sh-t fundraising in Q4.

Ossoff is probably going to win the primary outright. Tomlinson just isn't delivering.

I think Warnock is going to carry the Senate ticket anyway so I don't care who it is at this point.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Bidenworth2020 on January 26, 2020, 09:11:10 PM
Terry probably have sh-t fundraising in Q4.

Ossoff is probably going to win the primary outright. Tomlinson just isn't delivering.

I think Warnock is going to carry the Senate ticket anyway so I don't care who it is at this point.
Thats a shame, I think the ATL/outstate combo would have played well.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Oryxslayer on January 31, 2020, 04:42:54 PM
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Anyway, here's everyones cash. Ossoff leads.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Skill and Chance on January 31, 2020, 04:50:56 PM
Terry probably have sh-t fundraising in Q4.

Ossoff is probably going to win the primary outright. Tomlinson just isn't delivering.

I think Warnock is going to carry the Senate ticket anyway so I don't care who it is at this point.
Thats a shame, I think the ATL/outstate combo would have played well.

Yeah, Warnock looks really strong for the other seat, but I still can't imagine Ossoff accomplishing much of anything outside of Atlanta in the GE.   


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Storr on January 31, 2020, 04:55:34 PM
Terry probably have sh-t fundraising in Q4.

Ossoff is probably going to win the primary outright. Tomlinson just isn't delivering.

I think Warnock is going to carry the Senate ticket anyway so I don't care who it is at this point.
Thats a shame, I think the ATL/outstate combo would have played well.

Yeah, Warnock looks really strong for the other seat, but I still can't imagine Ossoff accomplishing much of anything outside of Atlanta in the GE.   
Hopefully someone strong like Warnock comes out of the woodwork for this race. All of these current candidates are underwhelming.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Skill and Chance on January 31, 2020, 05:46:05 PM
Terry probably have sh-t fundraising in Q4.

Ossoff is probably going to win the primary outright. Tomlinson just isn't delivering.

I think Warnock is going to carry the Senate ticket anyway so I don't care who it is at this point.
Thats a shame, I think the ATL/outstate combo would have played well.

Yeah, Warnock looks really strong for the other seat, but I still can't imagine Ossoff accomplishing much of anything outside of Atlanta in the GE.   
Hopefully someone strong like Warnock comes out of the woodwork for this race. All of these current candidates are underwhelming.

Tomlinson seemed promising in the same way the 2018 Trump district House candidates were promising.  Why is her campaign flopping so hard?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on January 31, 2020, 08:16:20 PM
Jesus.  I've been making amonthly donation to Tomlinson since her campaign officially started, but given these numbers I think I'll stop. Why continue flushing my money down the crapper?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Storr on January 31, 2020, 09:52:06 PM
Terry probably have sh-t fundraising in Q4.

Ossoff is probably going to win the primary outright. Tomlinson just isn't delivering.

I think Warnock is going to carry the Senate ticket anyway so I don't care who it is at this point.
Thats a shame, I think the ATL/outstate combo would have played well.

Yeah, Warnock looks really strong for the other seat, but I still can't imagine Ossoff accomplishing much of anything outside of Atlanta in the GE.   
Hopefully someone strong like Warnock comes out of the woodwork for this race. All of these current candidates are underwhelming.

Tomlinson seemed promising in the same way the 2018 Trump district House candidates were promising.  Why is her campaign flopping so hard?
I'll preface this with the fact that I don't know all that much about Georgia politics. But, I have seen a few comments (mostly on atlas, so take that with a grain of salt) that blame her so far lackluster campaign on Tomlinson's lack of connections with Democrats in the Atlanta area (the stronghold of the state's Democratic party, and thus where most of the donors are).


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Frenchrepublican on February 01, 2020, 08:39:30 AM
Terry probably had sh-t fundraising in Q4.

Ossoff is probably going to win the primary outright. Tomlinson just isn't delivering.

I think Warnock is going to carry the Senate ticket anyway so I don't care who it is at this point.

You're dreaming


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: QAnonKelly on February 01, 2020, 11:10:36 AM
I think the lesson to be learned from Tomlinson is that a white dem that runs statewide should be Atlanta based.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Holy Unifying Centrist on February 01, 2020, 11:12:15 AM
I think the lesson to be learned from Tomlinson is that a white dem that runs statewide should be Atlanta based.

Yeah, the Columbus metro area is tiny in comparison to Atlanta.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on February 01, 2020, 12:45:09 PM
Terry probably had sh-t fundraising in Q4.

Ossoff is probably going to win the primary outright. Tomlinson just isn't delivering.

I think Warnock is going to carry the Senate ticket anyway so I don't care who it is at this point.

You're dreaming
I'm dreaming by saying Warnock is going to be the stronger of the two Senate candidates? um, ok.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on February 01, 2020, 03:40:29 PM
Has Abrams offered an endorsement in this race?  What about McBath?  Michelle Nunn?  Any chance one of these women would throw her support to Tomlinson?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on February 01, 2020, 07:24:37 PM
Has Abrams offered an endorsement in this race?  What about McBath?  Michelle Nunn?  Any chance one of these women would throw her support to Tomlinson?
No. Tomlinson’s campaign is a mess. She is going to have win it on her own.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin on February 13, 2020, 08:58:18 AM


Roy Moore is doubtless very disappointed that he's not hitting the teens.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Warren 4 Secretary of Everything on February 13, 2020, 11:54:18 AM


Roy Moore is doubtless very disappointed that he's not hitting the teens.

I mean that’s heartening for the good of the republic (not so much for the FF Doug Jones) but this is the Georgia Senate megathread...


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on February 16, 2020, 01:41:08 PM

Roy Moore is doubtless very disappointed that he's not hitting the teens.

I mean that’s heartening for the good of the republic (not so much for the FF Doug Jones) but this is the Georgia Senate megathread...

They're not supposed to know we're annexing Alabama.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: OneJ on March 21, 2020, 06:26:27 PM


This thread has been quiet for a while now and I thought it was relevant although Loeffler's understandably been receiving more coverage on the entire situation.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: brucejoel99 on March 21, 2020, 06:42:55 PM
https://twitter.com/mbaram/status/1240844546008920065

This thread has been quiet for a while now and I thought it was relevant although Loeffler's understandably been receiving more coverage on the entire situation.

WTF is up with Georgia Senators & insider trading?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: SnowLabrador on March 21, 2020, 06:44:48 PM
Perdue will win 55-44.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on March 21, 2020, 06:46:00 PM

I think he'll win, but it will be a lot closer than that.  Maybe 52-47.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Adam Griffin on March 21, 2020, 08:14:13 PM

Only way Perdue wins by 10 is if Trump wins GA by 7-8. Barring major scandals (I don't think insider trading qualifies in GA, frankly) he won't outperform Trump by more than 2-3 points.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Bidenworth2020 on March 21, 2020, 08:25:06 PM

Only way Perdue wins by 10 is if Trump wins GA by 7-8. Barring major scandals (I don't think insider trading qualifies in GA, frankly) he won't outperform Trump by more than 2-3 points.
On the flip side, do you buy into the "Georgia is a tossup in 2020" narrative?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on March 21, 2020, 09:13:39 PM

Only way Perdue wins by 10 is if Trump wins GA by 7-8. Barring major scandals (I don't think insider trading qualifies in GA, frankly) he won't outperform Trump by more than 2-3 points.
On the flip side, do you buy into the "Georgia is a tossup in 2020" narrative?

Tossup, no. Competitive, yes. I'll call it Lean R - meaning that I expect Trump to win the state, but would not be surprised if Biden takes it as part of a significant overall win.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Bidenworth2020 on March 22, 2020, 12:01:32 AM

Only way Perdue wins by 10 is if Trump wins GA by 7-8. Barring major scandals (I don't think insider trading qualifies in GA, frankly) he won't outperform Trump by more than 2-3 points.
On the flip side, do you buy into the "Georgia is a tossup in 2020" narrative?

Tossup, no. Competitive, yes. I'll call it Lean R - meaning that I expect Trump to win the state, but would not be surprised if Biden takes it as part of a significant overall win.
One thing I am curious about is how he does in rural areas compared to Abrams-- she did significantly worse than even Hillary did in rural areas. Can Biden do a bit better here, or are the trends too strong? If he can, that could make a big difference in a close race.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Adam Griffin on March 23, 2020, 08:39:29 AM

Only way Perdue wins by 10 is if Trump wins GA by 7-8. Barring major scandals (I don't think insider trading qualifies in GA, frankly) he won't outperform Trump by more than 2-3 points.
On the flip side, do you buy into the "Georgia is a tossup in 2020" narrative?

Tossup, no. Competitive, yes. I'll call it Lean R - meaning that I expect Trump to win the state, but would not be surprised if Biden takes it as part of a significant overall win.
One thing I am curious about is how he does in rural areas compared to Abrams-- she did significantly worse than even Hillary did in rural areas. Can Biden do a bit better here, or are the trends too strong? If he can, that could make a big difference in a close race.

Margin-wise, Biden will in all likelihood do worse than Clinton in several dozen counties. This will be due primarily to a loss of (black) population, but trends will play a minor role as well. Of course, all of these counties combined probably won't be more than 10-15% of the state's vote, and quite a number of them will only be tiny swings.

I don't see Biden doing worse than Clinton in as many places as Clinton did worse than Obama (or Abrams worse than Carter). Setting aside the counties where we are losing both population and a disproportionate number of Democratic voters, there is a hard mathematical floor in many places we're now hitting. There's still varying amounts of room for loss in many counties, but in over a third of GA's counties, we had white voters in 2018 voting GOP at higher percentages than black voters voting Democratic.

To Abrams' credit, while it's true she did consistently worse than Clinton in the vast majority of counties, it was only by 1-2 points in most places. You could argue that a favorable Democratic midterm makes that quite embarrassing, but you can also argue that an inelastic state where strong trends of polarization have been raging mitigated any bounce in rural areas. If you want to criticize Abrams performance in rural GA, it'd be much better to compare her performance to Carter's in 2014 (https://snipboard.io/REI7g0.jpg) than Clinton's in 2016. Abrams lost 3 points in the statewide margin from the counties where she did worse than Carter; enough to cost her the Governorship and mirror-reverse the actual result (50.2% Abrams, 48.8% Kemp).


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Bidenworth2020 on March 23, 2020, 12:12:09 PM

Only way Perdue wins by 10 is if Trump wins GA by 7-8. Barring major scandals (I don't think insider trading qualifies in GA, frankly) he won't outperform Trump by more than 2-3 points.
On the flip side, do you buy into the "Georgia is a tossup in 2020" narrative?

Tossup, no. Competitive, yes. I'll call it Lean R - meaning that I expect Trump to win the state, but would not be surprised if Biden takes it as part of a significant overall win.
One thing I am curious about is how he does in rural areas compared to Abrams-- she did significantly worse than even Hillary did in rural areas. Can Biden do a bit better here, or are the trends too strong? If he can, that could make a big difference in a close race.

Margin-wise, Biden will in all likelihood do worse than Clinton in several dozen counties. This will be due primarily to a loss of (black) population, but trends will play a minor role as well. Of course, all of these counties combined probably won't be more than 10-15% of the state's vote, and quite a number of them will only be tiny swings.

I don't see Biden doing worse than Clinton in as many places as Clinton did worse than Obama (or Abrams worse than Carter). Setting aside the counties where we are losing both population and a disproportionate number of Democratic voters, there is a hard mathematical floor in many places we're now hitting. There's still varying amounts of room for loss in many counties, but in over a third of GA's counties, we had white voters in 2018 voting GOP at higher percentages than black voters voting Democratic.

To Abrams' credit, while it's true she did consistently worse than Clinton in the vast majority of counties, it was only by 1-2 points in most places. You could argue that a favorable Democratic midterm makes that quite embarrassing, but you can also argue that an inelastic state where strong trends of polarization have been raging mitigated any bounce in rural areas. If you want to criticize Abrams performance in rural GA, it'd be much better to compare her performance to Carter's in 2014 (https://snipboard.io/REI7g0.jpg) than Clinton's in 2016. Abrams lost 3 points in the statewide margin from the counties where she did worse than Carter; enough to cost her the Governorship and mirror-reverse the actual result (50.2% Abrams, 48.8% Kemp).
The reason I personally am hesitant to make that comparison is because Carter's performance in those areas was simply unattainable. Perhaps it was due to the Carter name, but regardless, there was never a chance that Abrams would be able to keep Kemp under 70% in most of Southwest Georgia like Carter did. One comparison that might be more interesting, although also outdated, would be 2012 President -> 2018 Governor.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: IceSpear on March 23, 2020, 01:46:56 PM
I haven't paid too much attention to the Georgia races, but is it fair to say Dems totally bombed recruiting here? Ossoff and some random pastor? Yikes.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: DaWN on March 23, 2020, 01:55:57 PM
I haven't paid too much attention to the Georgia races, but is it fair to say Dems totally bombed recruiting here? Ossoff and some random pastor? Yikes.

'Totally bombed' isn't entirely fair I don't think. They're hardly a-listers but it's not even as bad as in Texas for instance. And of course, the GOP have thrown the Dems a lifeline with a nice little intraparty squabble. I can't see any reason Ossoff and A.R. Andom-Pastor will under-perform Biden significantly because of that.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Adam Griffin on March 23, 2020, 02:22:29 PM
The reason I personally am hesitant to make that comparison is because Carter's performance in those areas was simply unattainable. Perhaps it was due to the Carter name, but regardless, there was never a chance that Abrams would be able to keep Kemp under 70% in most of Southwest Georgia like Carter did. One comparison that might be more interesting, although also outdated, would be 2012 President -> 2018 Governor.

But SW GA is like...nothing. Take everything west of I-75 and south of the Fall Line and you're talking about 6% of population (probably more like 5% of voters). Even when considering 2014/18 performance, Abrams didn't implode that badly there among white voters (the only apt comparison, given black population there was & is evaporating; can't win what doesn't exist): it was basically everywhere else in rural GA where she truly bombed in raw votes (SE GA, North GA, etc). Those places weren't inherently "loyal" to Carter because of his name in the way that a place like SW GA would've been.

Obviously her holding all of Carter's performance in these places wasn't possible - it's an illustration of how these places can still rat-f[inks]k Democrats despite so many in the party saying for the past 15 years that we've finally reached the bottom after every single election. It was a three-pronged set of losses with regard to her candidacy (in comparison to Carter's) in rural areas: one because of trends (unavoidable), one because she was a black woman (unavoidable in her personal circumstance, but not unavoidable for Democrats in general) and one because she went out of her way to talk about guns, Confederate monuments and other cultural claptrap that didn't motivate a single person to show up for her, but surely turned some likely voters against her (while galvanizing GOP turnout to boot).


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Bidenworth2020 on March 23, 2020, 02:51:10 PM
The reason I personally am hesitant to make that comparison is because Carter's performance in those areas was simply unattainable. Perhaps it was due to the Carter name, but regardless, there was never a chance that Abrams would be able to keep Kemp under 70% in most of Southwest Georgia like Carter did. One comparison that might be more interesting, although also outdated, would be 2012 President -> 2018 Governor.

But SW GA is like...nothing. Take everything west of I-75 and south of the Fall Line and you're talking about 6% of population (probably more like 5% of voters). Even when considering 2014/18 performance, Abrams didn't implode that badly there among white voters (the only apt comparison, given black population there was & is evaporating; can't win what doesn't exist): it was basically everywhere else in rural GA where she truly bombed in raw votes (SE GA, North GA, etc). Those places weren't inherently "loyal" to Carter because of his name in the way that a place like SW GA would've been.

Obviously her holding all of Carter's performance in these places wasn't possible - it's an illustration of how these places can still rat-f[inks]k Democrats despite so many in the party saying for the past 15 years that we've finally reached the bottom after every single election. It was a three-pronged set of losses with regard to her candidacy (in comparison to Carter's) in rural areas: one because of trends (unavoidable), one because she was a black woman (unavoidable in her personal circumstance, but not unavoidable for Democrats in general) and one because she went out of her way to talk about guns, Confederate monuments and other cultural claptrap that didn't motivate a single person to show up for her, but surely turned some likely voters against her (while galvanizing GOP turnout to boot).
Sorry, I meant to refer to South Georgia, basically everything south of the black belt sans Savannah. Anyway, Biden is able to counteract at least one of these factors (white man) and potentially another (depends on what Biden focuses his campaign on, though absurdly high rural turnout for Trump is basically a given). Anyway, even if he does this, it is only about 30% of the state. I am more curious about whether Abrams' performance in urban areas, and more specifically the ATL metro, is more of a high point or mid point for democrats. Is Abrams' ground game simply too strong to replicate? Or will Biden be able to turn out a lot of those low propensity black and Hispanic voters who probably had not voted for years, if ever.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Meatball Ron on March 25, 2020, 09:19:26 AM
I haven't paid too much attention to the Georgia races, but is it fair to say Dems totally bombed recruiting here? Ossoff and some random pastor? Yikes.

Seriously? Random pastor? He's the pastor of a very famous, influential church where MLK was once pastor. He's well-known and seems to be running a great campaign.

Anyway - bringing this back to the Class II seat - is Ossoff considered the likely nominee or is Tomlinson believed to have a shot? She seems like the better GE option to me but I haven't seen any polling on the primary.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on March 25, 2020, 10:23:12 AM
I haven't paid too much attention to the Georgia races, but is it fair to say Dems totally bombed recruiting here? Ossoff and some random pastor? Yikes.

Seriously? Random pastor? He's the pastor of a very famous, influential church where MLK was once pastor. He's well-known and seems to be running a great campaign.

Anyway - bringing this back to the Class II seat - is Ossoff considered the likely nominee or is Tomlinson believed to have a shot? She seems like the better GE option to me but I haven't seen any polling on the primary.

Ossoff led Tomlinson and Amico 31-16-15 in a recent AJC/UGA poll. (https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/ajc-poll-biden-ossoff-have-leads-georgia-democratic-races/XaRPiyKSXhG49t3Yt5Zf3L/)


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Meatball Ron on March 25, 2020, 11:20:46 AM
I haven't paid too much attention to the Georgia races, but is it fair to say Dems totally bombed recruiting here? Ossoff and some random pastor? Yikes.

Seriously? Random pastor? He's the pastor of a very famous, influential church where MLK was once pastor. He's well-known and seems to be running a great campaign.

Anyway - bringing this back to the Class II seat - is Ossoff considered the likely nominee or is Tomlinson believed to have a shot? She seems like the better GE option to me but I haven't seen any polling on the primary.

Ossoff led Tomlinson and Amico 31-16-15 in a recent AJC/UGA poll. (https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/ajc-poll-biden-ossoff-have-leads-georgia-democratic-races/XaRPiyKSXhG49t3Yt5Zf3L/)

Thanks! Definitely doesn't seem like an insurmountable lead then.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: brucejoel99 on March 25, 2020, 11:52:46 AM
I haven't paid too much attention to the Georgia races, but is it fair to say Dems totally bombed recruiting here? Ossoff and some random pastor? Yikes.

Seriously? Random pastor? He's the pastor of a very famous, influential church where MLK was once pastor. He's well-known and seems to be running a great campaign.

Anyway - bringing this back to the Class II seat - is Ossoff considered the likely nominee or is Tomlinson believed to have a shot? She seems like the better GE option to me but I haven't seen any polling on the primary.

Ossoff led Tomlinson and Amico 31-16-15 in a recent AJC/UGA poll. (https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/ajc-poll-biden-ossoff-have-leads-georgia-democratic-races/XaRPiyKSXhG49t3Yt5Zf3L/)

Thanks! Definitely doesn't seem like an insurmountable lead then.

With how competent Tomlinson's campaign appears to have been run thus far, it likely is :/


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Pollster on March 26, 2020, 10:06:14 AM
Entirely possible that Tomlinson's strategy is coasting through the first round by relying on her regional base, before ramping up for the runoff.

Bad strategy imo, but it could work.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on March 26, 2020, 01:42:12 PM
Entirely possible that Tomlinson's strategy is coasting through the first round by relying on her regional base, before ramping up for the runoff.

Bad strategy imo, but it could work.
Will there even be a run off? If Ossoff is leading that big I'm sure his lead in Metro Atlanta where he has infrastructure from 2017 and high name rec is even higher. He will probably get over 50 percent on Election Night.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Pollster on April 03, 2020, 10:05:47 AM
Entirely possible that Tomlinson's strategy is coasting through the first round by relying on her regional base, before ramping up for the runoff.

Bad strategy imo, but it could work.
Will there even be a run off? If Ossoff is leading that big I'm sure his lead in Metro Atlanta where he has infrastructure from 2017 and high name rec is even higher. He will probably get over 50 percent on Election Night.


Definitely a strong possibility. If she is truly not competing in the Atlanta metro and is relying on downstate, her fundraising makes sense. She will need to post landslide margins literally everywhere else in the state to put herself in a runoff, and will then have a lot of ground to make up to make the runoff competitive. Hence why it seems like a poor strategy.

Do any local posters know what her campaign looks like downstate? Is it entirely a ground operation? Is she doing any events?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on April 15, 2020, 08:54:27 PM


Teresa Tomlinson raised $600k and Amico raised $168k. I’m voting for Ossoff. National Dems may still abandon this race with him but they’re definitely avoiding us with the other two.

https://twitter.com/bluestein/status/1250537202746044416?s=20




Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: SnowLabrador on April 16, 2020, 09:48:34 AM
Yeah, this is Safe R. Ossoff will not be able to compete with the massive amount of money Perdue has and will continue to raise.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: RussFeingoldWasRobbed on April 16, 2020, 06:33:54 PM
Swalwell just endorsed Tomlinson. What a doofus


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: gerritcole on April 16, 2020, 06:59:59 PM
Dem recruiting for both GA seats has been quite disappointing


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: SnowLabrador on April 16, 2020, 07:00:59 PM
Dem recruiting for both GA seats has been quite disappointing

Agreed. I think it's very telling that no remotely decent candidates decided to run for this seat. Ditto with Iowa and Texas.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on April 16, 2020, 07:37:31 PM
Dem recruiting for both GA seats has been quite disappointing

Agreed. I think it's very telling that no remotely decent candidates decided to run for this seat. Ditto with Iowa and Texas.
I mean... who did GA have besides Abrams, McBath, and maybe Carter?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: gerritcole on April 16, 2020, 07:41:11 PM
Dem recruiting for both GA seats has been quite disappointing

Agreed. I think it's very telling that no remotely decent candidates decided to run for this seat. Ditto with Iowa and Texas.
I mean... who did GA have besides Abrams, McBath, and maybe Carter?

those 3 would be better than ossoff/tomlinson/warnock


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: gerritcole on April 16, 2020, 07:47:32 PM
Dem recruiting for both GA seats has been quite disappointing

Agreed. I think it's very telling that no remotely decent candidates decided to run for this seat. Ditto with Iowa and Texas.

you don't like hegar? Beto should have passed on prez and challenged cornyn imo


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: SnowLabrador on April 16, 2020, 08:12:25 PM
Dem recruiting for both GA seats has been quite disappointing

Agreed. I think it's very telling that no remotely decent candidates decided to run for this seat. Ditto with Iowa and Texas.

you don't like hegar? Beto should have passed on prez and challenged cornyn imo

Hegar's okay, but she's not raising nearly enough money. Beto is the only one who might have had a chance.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: gerritcole on April 16, 2020, 08:35:12 PM
Dem recruiting for both GA seats has been quite disappointing

Agreed. I think it's very telling that no remotely decent candidates decided to run for this seat. Ditto with Iowa and Texas.

you don't like hegar? Beto should have passed on prez and challenged cornyn imo

Hegar's okay, but she's not raising nearly enough money. Beto is the only one who might have had a chance.

That’s why I think it’s a mistake that Obama stayed out till now. He could have been raising millions upon millions for these battleground races. I think dems are making the mistake again neglecting congressional races somewhat to focus on prez


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: ProgressiveModerate on April 16, 2020, 09:13:33 PM
Dem recruiting for both GA seats has been quite disappointing

Agreed. I think it's very telling that no remotely decent candidates decided to run for this seat. Ditto with Iowa and Texas.
I mean... who did GA have besides Abrams, McBath, and maybe Carter?

those 3 would be better than ossoff/tomlinson/warnock

You guys have to give he canidates in these senate races a chance to prove themselves. Beto started out as a nobody early on in the cycle but ended up being very successful. Maybe Ossoff run a terrible campaign and doesn't stir up any media attention, but maybe he runs an amazing campaign and we'll look back on this forum and laugh. Abrams wasn'ta ll that great, considering the margin would be about what you would expect in 2018, and even though she did better in ATL, she didn't improve by much, and even did worse in some rural areas than Clinton.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: gerritcole on April 16, 2020, 09:46:17 PM
Dem recruiting for both GA seats has been quite disappointing

Agreed. I think it's very telling that no remotely decent candidates decided to run for this seat. Ditto with Iowa and Texas.
I mean... who did GA have besides Abrams, McBath, and maybe Carter?

those 3 would be better than ossoff/tomlinson/warnock

You guys have to give he canidates in these senate races a chance to prove themselves. Beto started out as a nobody early on in the cycle but ended up being very successful. Maybe Ossoff run a terrible campaign and doesn't stir up any media attention, but maybe he runs an amazing campaign and we'll look back on this forum and laugh. Abrams wasn'ta ll that great, considering the margin would be about what you would expect in 2018, and even though she did better in ATL, she didn't improve by much, and even did worse in some rural areas than Clinton.

Do you think dems win either seat


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Pollster on May 06, 2020, 09:27:43 AM
It looks like this primary is finally starting to take normal shape, as we're getting now daily reports of ad buys from both Ossoff and Tomlinson. Only Amico seems to still be dark.

Any Georgians have any idea what the campaigns look like on the ground, to the extent that on the ground campaigns are possible?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on May 06, 2020, 12:09:42 PM
It looks like this primary is finally starting to take normal shape, as we're getting now daily reports of ad buys from both Ossoff and Tomlinson. Only Amico seems to still be dark.

Any Georgians have any idea what the campaigns look like on the ground, to the extent that on the ground campaigns are possible?

I've gotten a text from the Ossoff campaign and have seen his TV ads.  Haven't seen anything from Tomlinson or Amico yet, but then I'm not getting out much. :)


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: TiltsAreUnderrated on May 06, 2020, 12:10:59 PM
It looks like this primary is finally starting to take normal shape, as we're getting now daily reports of ad buys from both Ossoff and Tomlinson. Only Amico seems to still be dark.

Any Georgians have any idea what the campaigns look like on the ground, to the extent that on the ground campaigns are possible?

I've gotten a text from the Ossoff campaign and have seen his TV ads.  Haven't seen anything from Tomlinson or Amico yet, but then I'm not getting out much. :)

Do any of the lower-profile candidates have a chance of getting into the runoff?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on May 06, 2020, 06:16:05 PM
It looks like this primary is finally starting to take normal shape, as we're getting now daily reports of ad buys from both Ossoff and Tomlinson. Only Amico seems to still be dark.

Any Georgians have any idea what the campaigns look like on the ground, to the extent that on the ground campaigns are possible?
I've seen Jon on television, I haven't been reached out to by any campaign for volunteering. From what I've seen on social media, Ossoff has been the most aggressive about recruiting virtual volunteers, but who knows how many people are actually biting.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Blair on May 07, 2020, 03:26:22 PM
Was reading about this race earlier & had a question that I'm hoping GA posters (and people generally in the know will know)

Why is there such a lack of a strong/well known candidate? The field looks on paper like the type of field you see from democrats in places like South Dakota.

I mean the three leading candaites are a former congressional staffer, a pastor and a surname... I know I'm being flippant but I'm surprised there isn't a well know recruit (who could absord a load of fundraising & push this seat higher up) either someone who served in Congress, the State House or some relatively big name like Sally Yates

I also wonder if it's the reason why Georgia seems quite low on the list of targets.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: QAnonKelly on May 07, 2020, 11:02:58 PM
Was reading about this race earlier & had a question that I'm hoping GA posters (and people generally in the know will know)

Why is there such a lack of a strong/well known candidate? The field looks on paper like the type of field you see from democrats in places like South Dakota.

I mean the three leading candaites are a former congressional staffer, a pastor and a surname... I know I'm being flippant but I'm surprised there isn't a well know recruit (who could absord a load of fundraising & push this seat higher up) either someone who served in Congress, the State House or some relatively big name like Sally Yates

I also wonder if it's the reason why Georgia seems quite low on the list of targets.
If I had to guess, everyone pretty much wants to run in two years for statewide office. Frankly, the senate sucks and it gives the state two more years of shifting. I’d much rather be an AG or SoS than a senator.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: QAnonKelly on May 19, 2020, 11:54:45 AM
 Lmao this is turning into a creeper race.  (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/5/19/21262638/leaked-audio-david-perdue-comparing-coronavirus-car-crashes)


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: wbrocks67 on May 19, 2020, 06:06:19 PM
This seems delusional. She's polling lower than Ossoff against Perdue, so how are Dems squandering it?



Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: TiltsAreUnderrated on May 19, 2020, 06:48:34 PM
This seems delusional. She's polling lower than Ossoff against Perdue, so how are Dems squandering it?



Perdue is at 45% against Ossoff, Tomlinson and Amico. The differences in Perdue's margin comes down to variations only in their figures, which is mostly name recognition. Turnout will be the key differentiator between the candidates in Georgia.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on May 19, 2020, 07:09:07 PM
Tomlinson should put up or shut up. The reason she is losing to Ossoff is because her campaign sucks, not because national Democrats are ignoring her.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: President Punxsutawney Phil on May 19, 2020, 07:10:51 PM
she's right, we could squander this chance against Purdue. We'd be doing it by nominating her.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on May 24, 2020, 08:37:58 PM
If we go to a run off between her and Ossoff it's going to get nasty. Her high profile surrogates and staff have very colorful language about Ossoff's candidacy.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on June 06, 2020, 01:00:22 PM
I finally did my absentee ballot yesterday and just went ahead and voted for Tomlinson. I think she’s going to get blown out after the latest round of polling so I might as well vote for who was closest to me on policy!

The final margin will be interesting but the past week has shown Tomlinson is desperate to pull him under 50 and he is already looking toward November and pumped an extra $450k of his own money into the campaign to shut this thing down Tuesday.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: wbrocks67 on June 06, 2020, 07:10:04 PM
I finally did my absentee ballot yesterday and just went ahead and voted for Tomlinson. I think she’s going to get blown out after the latest round of polling so I might as well vote for who was closest to me on policy!

The final margin will be interesting but the past week has shown Tomlinson is desperate to pull him under 50 and he is already looking toward November and pumped an extra $450k of his own money into the campaign to shut this thing down Tuesday.

..... so if you don't mind me asking, why wouldn't you rather help Ossoff blow past 50 so he doesn't have to deal with another primary? It would make it a hell of a lot easier for him to win in Nov if he didn't have to deal with another runoff.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on June 06, 2020, 08:55:36 PM
I finally did my absentee ballot yesterday and just went ahead and voted for Tomlinson. I think she’s going to get blown out after the latest round of polling so I might as well vote for who was closest to me on policy!

The final margin will be interesting but the past week has shown Tomlinson is desperate to pull him under 50 and he is already looking toward November and pumped an extra $450k of his own money into the campaign to shut this thing down Tuesday.

..... so if you don't mind me asking, why wouldn't you rather help Ossoff blow past 50 so he doesn't have to deal with another primary? It would make it a hell of a lot easier for him to win in Nov if he didn't have to deal with another runoff.
I've told everyone who has asked me who to vote for to vote for Ossoff. If my one *quietly cast* vote for Tomlinson sends this thing to a run off, my bad y'all.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: OneJ on June 06, 2020, 09:36:44 PM
Fortunately for Ossoff, I think he's in good enough position to avoid a runoff assuming that Landmark poll is pretty much correct.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on June 08, 2020, 01:17:22 PM
Tomlinson should put up or shut up. The reason she is losing to Ossoff is because her campaign sucks, not because national Democrats are ignoring her.

Does her campaign suck, though?  I mean, just because she's losing doesn't necessarily mean she's run a bad campaign.  I haven't been following this race super closely for a few weeks, but my outside take is that her campaign has been fine.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on June 08, 2020, 01:21:30 PM
Tomlinson should put up or shut up. The reason she is losing to Ossoff is because her campaign sucks, not because national Democrats are ignoring her.

Does her campaign suck, though?  I mean, just because she's losing doesn't necessarily mean she's run a bad campaign.  I haven't been following this race super closely for a few weeks, but my outside take is that her campaign has been fine.

Not it hasn't. Her fundraising would have been unimpressive even for a House candidate and she has already shaken up her campaign team once.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on June 08, 2020, 01:32:43 PM
Tomlinson should put up or shut up. The reason she is losing to Ossoff is because her campaign sucks, not because national Democrats are ignoring her.

Does her campaign suck, though?  I mean, just because she's losing doesn't necessarily mean she's run a bad campaign.  I haven't been following this race super closely for a few weeks, but my outside take is that her campaign has been fine.

Not it hasn't. Her fundraising would have been unimpressive even for a House candidate and she has already shaken up her campaign team once.

Right, but lousy fundraising isn't necessarily a result of bad campaigning.  It seems like Ossoff started with a massive donor list and a clear fundraising advantage that just crowded Tomlinson out, despite her early start.  What's more, there were several potential high-profile candidates waiting in the wings for months (Abrams, McBath, Yates, etc.), and that uncertainty kept Tomlinson from being able to lock up support.  It's hard to see what her campaign could do about all that.  Lastly, shaking up an underperforming campaign team seems like good decision-making on Tomlinson's part, even if it was ultimately ineffective.  I guess my point is that politics is as much circumstance/luck as it is skill/talent.  It doesn't seem fair to castigate Tomlinson for factors beyond her control.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on June 09, 2020, 11:54:51 AM


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on June 09, 2020, 01:44:22 PM
I'm livid. Dem leaders and party activists need to put the pressure on the local BOEs now in preparation for November. This is unconscionable.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on June 09, 2020, 01:53:58 PM
I'm livid. Dem leaders and party activists need to put the pressure on the local BOEs now in preparation for November. This is unconscionable.

And yet completely expected.  The Republicans responsible for this attack on democracy need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law wherever possible.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on June 09, 2020, 05:11:49 PM
Fulton County polls will remain open until 9pm per order of the county Superior Court.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: QAnonKelly on June 09, 2020, 06:20:13 PM
I'm livid. Dem leaders and party activists need to put the pressure on the local BOEs now in preparation for November. This is unconscionable.

Thanks John Roberts


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Mycool on June 09, 2020, 09:30:33 PM
At this point, Democrats should probably be rooting for Ossoff to clear 50 to avoid a runoff. I like Tomlinson, but Ossoff is showing some strength in these early numbers and the Atlanta metro isn’t even in yet


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Sir Mohamed on June 10, 2020, 01:56:18 AM
At this point, Democrats should probably be rooting for Ossoff to clear 50 to avoid a runoff. I like Tomlinson, but Ossoff is showing some strength in these early numbers and the Atlanta metro isn’t even in yet

Yup. Or Tomlinson drops out. Ossoff is leading 48-14% with 90% of the vote in. I don't know any example a candidate this far behind still pulled it off in a runoff.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on June 10, 2020, 02:07:53 AM
At this point, Democrats should probably be rooting for Ossoff to clear 50 to avoid a runoff. I like Tomlinson, but Ossoff is showing some strength in these early numbers and the Atlanta metro isn’t even in yet

Yup. Or Tomlinson drops out. Ossoff is leading 48-14% with 90% of the vote in. I don't know any example a candidate this far behind still pulled it off in a runoff.
Re: Tomlinson dropping out- not happening:



Voting for Ossoff in August. 😩😬


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: TiltsAreUnderrated on June 10, 2020, 02:56:17 AM
Maya Dillard-Smith seems to have come out of nowhere to have kept up with Amico and Tomlinson. Is it a given that Tomlinson will be in second place?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on June 10, 2020, 03:37:03 AM
At this point, Democrats should probably be rooting for Ossoff to clear 50 to avoid a runoff. I like Tomlinson, but Ossoff is showing some strength in these early numbers and the Atlanta metro isn’t even in yet

Yup. Or Tomlinson drops out. Ossoff is leading 48-14% with 90% of the vote in. I don't know any example a candidate this far behind still pulled it off in a runoff.
Re: Tomlinson dropping out- not happening:



Voting for Ossoff in August. 😩😬

Give her a few days. If Georgia Democrats coalesce around Ossoff and her fundraising continues to be as pathetic as it is now then she will have no reason to continue a quixotic campaign.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Fusternino on June 10, 2020, 04:52:44 AM
What is Perdue at? I only see a total for Trump.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on June 10, 2020, 06:42:49 AM
What is Perdue at? I only see a total for Trump.

Nobody filed to run against Perdue.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: TrendsareUsuallyReal on June 10, 2020, 06:45:05 AM
What is Perdue at? I only see a total for Trump.

Nobody filed to run against Perdue.

His and Trumps numbers are still reported on county websites and the SOS. Perdue is getting a few more votes than Trump in the metro counties, similar to the Dem Senate race getting more voters than the Presidential contest

The SOS site is useless though since it’s way behind everywhere else


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on June 10, 2020, 09:03:30 AM
Maya Dillard-Smith seems to have come out of nowhere to have kept up with Amico and Tomlinson. Is it a given that Tomlinson will be in second place?
I think her domination in the Columbus Metro is going to be enough to keep her above Amico and Smith even if she continues to languish in 3rd and 4th in some of these Metro counties.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Continential on June 10, 2020, 09:58:09 AM
Since Maya Dillard Smith came out of nowhere, hopefully she runs for another office soon, she is the Georgia director of the ACLU from what I've heard.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: wbrocks67 on June 10, 2020, 10:46:37 AM
Honestly, Dems are dodging a bullet with Tomlinson. She seems like a mess. Not only is she putting out statements like this - when she barely got 15% herself - but she may even end up in 3rd once the rest of the votes come in.



Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Upstater on June 10, 2020, 10:48:19 AM
Honestly, Dems are dodging a bullet with Tomlinson. She seems like a mess. Not only is she putting out statements like this - when she barely got 15% herself - but she may even end up in 3rd once the rest of the votes come in.



Being toxic towards fellow Democrats isn't going to help anyone and it certainly won't help Tomlinson.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Pollster on June 10, 2020, 10:56:45 AM
I've been a supporter of Tomlinson's since before she launched this campaign, but she needs to take this L.

Learn the lessons, identify what went wrong, build up connections and goodwill, get ready to run in 2022 for Governor if Abrams winds up elsewhere, or LG or SoS if she doesn't.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: wbrocks67 on June 10, 2020, 11:02:59 AM
Considering there is possibly hundreds of thousands of votes still out, it will also look embarrassing for Tomlinson if Ossoff ends up at 50% when all is said & done


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: 2016 on June 10, 2020, 11:06:34 AM
Considering there is possibly hundreds of thousands of votes still out, it will also look embarrassing for Tomlinson if Ossoff ends up at 50% when all is said & done
There are some 40 Precincts left in the DeKalb and 20 in Fulton and Ossoff needs a Net Gain of 30K to 50K to avoid a Runoff.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: n1240 on June 10, 2020, 11:15:29 AM
Considering there is possibly hundreds of thousands of votes still out, it will also look embarrassing for Tomlinson if Ossoff ends up at 50% when all is said & done
There are some 40 Precincts left in the DeKalb and 20 in Fulton and Ossoff needs a Net Gain of 30K to 50K to avoid a Runoff.

DeKalb has counted 0 absentee votes (out of a bit over 100k) and Fulton is missing a large amount of their mail-in absentee votes.

I'd expect Ossoff to avoid a runoff pretty easily at this rate, unless some counties are lumping in absentee mail-in vote with election day vote for whatever reason.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Suburbia on June 10, 2020, 11:19:14 AM
Both Georgia races are Lean R.

The GA GOP looks like they have a lock on voting procedures

NC is more likely to flip than GA


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: wbrocks67 on June 10, 2020, 11:57:26 AM
Considering there is possibly hundreds of thousands of votes still out, it will also look embarrassing for Tomlinson if Ossoff ends up at 50% when all is said & done
There are some 40 Precincts left in the DeKalb and 20 in Fulton and Ossoff needs a Net Gain of 30K to 50K to avoid a Runoff.

% of precincts counted and % of the vote counted are both pretty much null right now. They don't really mean anything, b/c there are tons of mail and absentee ballots outstanding. Those aren't really factored in the % reporting


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Oryxslayer on June 10, 2020, 12:01:11 PM
Considering there is possibly hundreds of thousands of votes still out, it will also look embarrassing for Tomlinson if Ossoff ends up at 50% when all is said & done
There are some 40 Precincts left in the DeKalb and 20 in Fulton and Ossoff needs a Net Gain of 30K to 50K to avoid a Runoff.

DeKalb has counted 0 absentee votes (out of a bit over 100k) and Fulton is missing a large amount of their mail-in absentee votes.

I'd expect Ossoff to avoid a runoff pretty easily at this rate, unless some counties are lumping in absentee mail-in vote with election day vote for whatever reason.

Yes, this is election week. The increase in absentee voting means that most counties have not had the time to process these ballots yet - reminder they took a long time with 10x fewer ballots in 2018 which dragged out the count. The question if if the absentee ballots put Ossoff over. These absentee ballots could be more white than the day vote, since educated liberals are more likely to use the system. This scenario probably puts Ossoff over. If the absentees match the e-day demos, then Ossoff probably doesn't gain enough, but still goes up since urban areas have more people visibly concerned about corona.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: wbrocks67 on June 10, 2020, 12:02:35 PM
This is JUST Dekalb-



Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Oryxslayer on June 10, 2020, 12:24:34 PM
This is JUST Dekalb-



These are not all dems btw. If you go back a bit in the statewide GA thread you will find large county breakdowns of the mail ballots by partisanship. In general it's what you expect with big dem leads in the blue metro counties, but there is some signs of educated liberals using the system, since the dem numbers were good in the red counties and not just the blue ones.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on June 10, 2020, 12:31:07 PM
This is JUST Dekalb-



These are not all dems btw. If you go back a bit in the statewide GA thread you will find large county breakdowns of the mail ballots by partisanship. In general it's what you expect with big dem leads in the blue metro counties, but there is some signs of educated liberals using the system, since the dem numbers were good in the red counties and not just the blue ones.
I suspect 85-90 percent of DeKalb mail ins are Dems though. So lots of potential votes for Ossoff.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: n1240 on June 10, 2020, 12:33:46 PM
Considering there is possibly hundreds of thousands of votes still out, it will also look embarrassing for Tomlinson if Ossoff ends up at 50% when all is said & done
There are some 40 Precincts left in the DeKalb and 20 in Fulton and Ossoff needs a Net Gain of 30K to 50K to avoid a Runoff.

DeKalb has counted 0 absentee votes (out of a bit over 100k) and Fulton is missing a large amount of their mail-in absentee votes.

I'd expect Ossoff to avoid a runoff pretty easily at this rate, unless some counties are lumping in absentee mail-in vote with election day vote for whatever reason.

Yes, this is election week. The increase in absentee voting means that most counties have not had the time to process these ballots yet - reminder they took a long time with 10x fewer ballots in 2018 which dragged out the count. The question if if the absentee ballots put Ossoff over. These absentee ballots could be more white than the day vote, since educated liberals are more likely to use the system. This scenario probably puts Ossoff over. If the absentees match the e-day demos, then Ossoff probably doesn't gain enough, but still goes up since urban areas have more people visibly concerned about corona.

Just sampling from counties that seem to have reasonable amount of absentee vote in:

Cherokee:
Eday: Ossoff 52.8%
Early In-person: Ossoff 59.4%
Absentee by mail: Ossoff 63.8%

Clayton:

Eday: Ossoff 46.5%
Early In-person: Ossoff 60.1%
Absentee by mail: 66.2%

Fulton:

Eday: 53.3%
Early In-person: Ossoff 60.2%
not enough absentee by mail

Richmond

Eday: 38.1%
Early In-person: 47.4%
Absentee by mail: 46.4%

Cobb

Eday: 52.7%
Early In-person: 59.0%
Absentee by mail: 67.1%

Fairly arbitrary selection of large counties but the trend is pretty clear, Ossoff does much better among absentee votes. Considering the bulk of the outstanding absentee vote is centered in the Atlanta metro area, I'd be pretty shocked if he misses 50%.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: n1240 on June 10, 2020, 12:38:12 PM
This is JUST Dekalb-



These are not all dems btw. If you go back a bit in the statewide GA thread you will find large county breakdowns of the mail ballots by partisanship. In general it's what you expect with big dem leads in the blue metro counties, but there is some signs of educated liberals using the system, since the dem numbers were good in the red counties and not just the blue ones.
I suspect 85-90 percent of DeKalb mail ins are Dems though. So lots of potential votes for Ossoff.

105k Dem votes as of about 12 hours ago in the absentee vote file, but there are 122k total returns in the file, meaning some absentee returns weren't reported to the state at the time the voter file was published, so might be able to expect 115k absentee votes in DeKalb assuming the elections board estimate of remaining ballots is accurate


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: n1240 on June 10, 2020, 12:56:50 PM
Ossoff up to 49.1% after some more election day precincts and about 20% of the absentee vote in DeKalb (all of the early in-person absentee, it appears). Ossoff received 60.4% of the early in-person vote in DeKalb.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: RussFeingoldWasRobbed on June 10, 2020, 01:59:31 PM
Tomlinson is acting like a two year old! Your not winning the runoff! DSCC needs to put the pressure on her!


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: wbrocks67 on June 10, 2020, 02:16:21 PM
A lot left in Fulton as well



Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: wbrocks67 on June 10, 2020, 02:16:53 PM
Honestly, I wanted Ossoff to win outright anyway, but now I really need him to hit 50% b/c of Tomlinson acting like a petulant child.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: wbrocks67 on June 10, 2020, 02:19:02 PM
We still have more votes to go, but this is highly interesting - Dems outvoting Reps in both GA-06 and GA-07 (especially 7th)

GA-06
Dems 42,428
Reps 36,118

GA-07
Dems 50,342
Reps 34,812


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: n1240 on June 10, 2020, 02:33:31 PM
Ossoff up to 49.996% statewide with new Fulton County results, they don't seem to be done with absentee votes yet, he's definitely advancing without a runoff.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: RussFeingoldWasRobbed on June 10, 2020, 02:39:12 PM
Thank god!


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: n1240 on June 10, 2020, 02:40:56 PM
We still have more votes to go, but this is highly interesting - Dems outvoting Reps in both GA-06 and GA-07 (especially 7th)

GA-06
Dems 42,428
Reps 36,118

GA-07
Dems 50,342
Reps 34,812

Gap has grown in GA-06

Dems 58721
GOP 48063


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: wbrocks67 on June 10, 2020, 02:41:33 PM
Ossoff up to 49.996% statewide with new Fulton County results, they don't seem to be done with absentee votes yet, he's definitely advancing without a runoff.

Where's the best place to look for results?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: n1240 on June 10, 2020, 02:46:37 PM
Ossoff up to 49.996% statewide with new Fulton County results, they don't seem to be done with absentee votes yet, he's definitely advancing without a runoff.

Where's the best place to look for results?

I received updated Fulton results from here (some county pages on the GA clarity site update before they do on the cumulative statewide page): https://results.enr.clarityelections.com/GA/Fulton/103674/web.247524/#/summary?v=252536%2F

Updated DeKalb results from here: https://www.dekalbcountyga.gov/sites/default/files/2020-06/ElectionSummaryReportRPT%20-%206.10.20%20139p.pdf


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on June 10, 2020, 02:48:23 PM
Ossoff up to 49.996% statewide with new Fulton County results, they don't seem to be done with absentee votes yet, he's definitely advancing without a runoff.

Where's the best place to look for results?

I received updated Fulton results from here (some county pages on the GA clarity site update before they do on the cumulative statewide page): https://results.enr.clarityelections.com/GA/Fulton/103674/web.247524/#/summary?v=252536%2F

Updated DeKalb results from here: https://www.dekalbcountyga.gov/sites/default/files/2020-06/ElectionSummaryReportRPT%20-%206.10.20%20139p.pdf

Amazing job.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: wbrocks67 on June 10, 2020, 02:55:27 PM
Ossoff up to 49.996% statewide with new Fulton County results, they don't seem to be done with absentee votes yet, he's definitely advancing without a runoff.

Where's the best place to look for results?

I received updated Fulton results from here (some county pages on the GA clarity site update before they do on the cumulative statewide page): https://results.enr.clarityelections.com/GA/Fulton/103674/web.247524/#/summary?v=252536%2F

Updated DeKalb results from here: https://www.dekalbcountyga.gov/sites/default/files/2020-06/ElectionSummaryReportRPT%20-%206.10.20%20139p.pdf

Thanks! It looks DDHQ has updated Fulton #s but not the updated DeKalb #s yet. That would put him at the 49.996% like you said. Ugh, need this to happen!

NYT, DDHQ, GASOS, NBCNews pages are all on different stages of the updates


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Fusternino on June 10, 2020, 02:57:22 PM
What is Perdue at? I only see a total for Trump.

Nobody filed to run against Perdue.

His and Trumps numbers are still reported on county websites and the SOS. Perdue is getting a few more votes than Trump in the metro counties, similar to the Dem Senate race getting more voters than the Presidential contest

The SOS site is useless though since it’s way behind everywhere else

Does he outrun Trump in the general at all then? Or do they live and die together?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Storr on June 10, 2020, 03:35:02 PM
We still have more votes to go, but this is highly interesting - Dems outvoting Reps in both GA-06 and GA-07 (especially 7th)

GA-06
Dems 42,428
Reps 36,118

GA-07
Dems 50,342
Reps 34,812
Good sign for Democrats obviously, especially with a non-competitive primary in GA-06.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: n1240 on June 10, 2020, 03:35:19 PM
NYTimes has Ossoff at 50.01% now.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: 2016 on June 10, 2020, 03:43:03 PM
NYTimes has Ossoff at 50.01% now.
Unless Ossoff is substantially over 50 % I wouldn't be surprised if Tomlinson is asking for a Recount.

A lot of things went wrong in GA yesterday.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Storr on June 10, 2020, 03:44:45 PM
NYTimes has Ossoff at 50.01% now.
Politico has him at 50.0. (https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/georgia/#downballot-races)

Jon Ossoff             420,723    50.0%

Teresa Tomlinson   128,558   15.3%

Sarah Riggs Amico   107,370   12.8%

It also has 89% (all other metro Atlanta counties were 98% or greater) of precincts reporting in DeKalb, which can only be good for Ossoff since he's currently up 54.7% to 15.2% there.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: 2016 on June 10, 2020, 03:48:46 PM
Ossoff up to 49.996% statewide with new Fulton County results, they don't seem to be done with absentee votes yet, he's definitely advancing without a runoff.

Where's the best place to look for results?

I received updated Fulton results from here (some county pages on the GA clarity site update before they do on the cumulative statewide page): https://results.enr.clarityelections.com/GA/Fulton/103674/web.247524/#/summary?v=252536%2F

Updated DeKalb results from here: https://www.dekalbcountyga.gov/sites/default/files/2020-06/ElectionSummaryReportRPT%20-%206.10.20%20139p.pdf

Thanks! It looks DDHQ has updated Fulton #s but not the updated DeKalb #s yet. That would put him at the 49.996% like you said. Ugh, need this to happen!

NYT, DDHQ, GASOS, NBCNews pages are all on different stages of the updates
NBC NEWS & CNN get their Results from Edison Research Counting. That's THE WORST thing the Networks could have ever done. They should switch it back to the AP.

Edison is hilariously bad at Vote Counting! If this happens on Election Night it might take us a week before we get accurate counts.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Oryxslayer on June 10, 2020, 03:49:28 PM
NYTimes has Ossoff at 50.01% now.
Politico has him at 50.0. (https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/georgia/#downballot-races)

Jon Ossoff             420,723    50.0%

Teresa Tomlinson   128,558   15.3%

Sarah Riggs Amico   107,370   12.8%

It also has 89% (all other metro Atlanta counties were 98% or greater) of precincts reporting in DeKalb, which can only be good for Ossoff since he's currently up 54.7% to 15.2% there.

The exact math for these votes is 50.013136% Ossoff right now. Sites round.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: wbrocks67 on June 10, 2020, 04:17:04 PM
Ossoff at 50.1% now.

Tomlinson apparently sent out an email this morning to her supporters saying she was officially in the runoff in August. I can't.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Xing on June 10, 2020, 04:21:07 PM
I wonder if Tomlinson will concede this week...


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: RussFeingoldWasRobbed on June 10, 2020, 04:37:30 PM
I wonder if Tomlinson will concede this week...
Given how shes been acting lately, I'm not hopeful


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: wbrocks67 on June 10, 2020, 07:15:11 PM
Ossoff at 50.6%. At this rate, the question is how high will he get.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on June 10, 2020, 07:39:55 PM
AP has called it for Ossoff, per this AJC article. (https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/ossoff-avoids-runoff-win-democratic-nomination-for-senate-georgia/tVSaQEAp3DYBb8ocS5NWFK/)


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: TiltsAreUnderrated on June 10, 2020, 07:58:04 PM
The GA races are, at last, aligned for me thanks to Ossoff avoiding a runoff.

GA-SPEC: pure tossup -> tilt R
GA-REG: lean R -> tilt R


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Oryxslayer on June 10, 2020, 07:59:14 PM
AP has called it for Ossoff, per this AJC article. (https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/ossoff-avoids-runoff-win-democratic-nomination-for-senate-georgia/tVSaQEAp3DYBb8ocS5NWFK/)

So has NYT and DDHQ. Tomlinson has a buffet of crow to eat whenever she speaks again.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on June 10, 2020, 08:06:48 PM
Tomlinson concedes:



Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on June 11, 2020, 08:26:17 AM
Tomlinson concedes:



She should run for Lieutenant Governor in 2022.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Pollster on June 11, 2020, 09:45:52 AM
Tomlinson concedes:



This was the right move. Now she needs to work on analyzing and correcting what went wrong to prep for Gov/Lt Gov/SoS in 2022.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on June 11, 2020, 10:22:51 AM
This was the right move. Now she needs to work on analyzing and correcting what went wrong to prep for Gov/Lt Gov/SoS in 2022.

Out of curiosity, what do you think went wrong for her?  I think a lot of her problems were beyond her control.  Her fundraising lagged because for months potential donors were waiting to see if big name potential candidates like Abrams or Yates would run.  Ossoff had a built-in fund-raising advantage from the start thanks to his already existing massive donors list, and some key endorsements (Lewis, especially).  I guess choosing to run her campaign out of Columbus rather than the Atlanta Metro Area was a huge miscalculation, limiting her media exposure and volunteer operation, but that was also the core of her pitch:  "I'm from south Georgia and I can win over those voters."  Besides relocating to where the money and the people are, I'm not sure what she should have done differently. 


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: President Johnson on June 11, 2020, 10:26:52 AM
Tomlinson concedes:



The result was embarrassing. I actually thought she would be a strong candidate for the general election and, as two term mayor, be a pragmatic senator if elected.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: DINGO Joe on June 11, 2020, 10:56:29 AM
Has anyone ever gotten a picture of, or proven the existence of Patricia McCracken yet?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Pollster on June 11, 2020, 11:47:54 AM
This was the right move. Now she needs to work on analyzing and correcting what went wrong to prep for Gov/Lt Gov/SoS in 2022.

Out of curiosity, what do you think went wrong for her?  I think a lot of her problems were beyond her control.  Her fundraising lagged because for months potential donors were waiting to see if big name potential candidates like Abrams or Yates would run.  Ossoff had a built-in fund-raising advantage from the start thanks to his already existing massive donors list, and some key endorsements (Lewis, especially).  I guess choosing to run her campaign out of Columbus rather than the Atlanta Metro Area was a huge miscalculation, limiting her media exposure and volunteer operation, but that was also the core of her pitch:  "I'm from south Georgia and I can win over those voters."  Besides relocating to where the money and the people are, I'm not sure what she should have done differently. 

A few things, most prominently she struggled with fundraising. Most Dem donors in GA are in Atlanta, and she's not a familiar face to either voters or the party brass in that region. This was made even more difficult by Ossoff's entry and consolidation of Atlanta-area support.

It seems like she also expected to get the lions' share of institutional support when Abrams stepped aside and wasn't prepared for when it didn't come. She is close with Abrams and probably expected that relationship to do a lot more for her than it did, and probably anticipated a Warnock-style rallying of the party around her. This was probably due to the DSCC not wanting to endorse against John Lewis rather than outright opposition to Tomlinson's candidacy.

Regardless, the solution here is to develop relationships with Atlanta Dems. Lending support for the Democratic legislative caucus and folks like McBath, Bourdeaux, Warnock, etc. is the right way to go.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: pppolitics on June 11, 2020, 05:30:42 PM
This is probably a dumb question, but why wasn't there a jungle primary of all the candidates regardless of party?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Not Me, Us on June 11, 2020, 05:47:50 PM
This is probably a dumb question, but why wasn't there a jungle primary of all the candidates regardless of party?

AFAIK, that only happens in Georgia for special elections.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on June 11, 2020, 05:48:00 PM
This is probably a dumb question, but why wasn't there a jungle primary of all the candidates regardless of party?

No, you're thinking of the special election for the Class III seat (Kelly Loeffler).  That will be held as part of the general election on Nov. 3.  If no candidate gets a majority (almost certainly the case) the runoff will be held on Jan. 5.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: pppolitics on June 11, 2020, 06:06:40 PM
This is probably a dumb question, but why wasn't there a jungle primary of all the candidates regardless of party?

No, you're thinking of the special election for the Class III seat (Kelly Loeffler).  That will be held as part of the general election on Nov. 3.  If no candidate gets a majority (almost certainly the case) the runoff will be held on Jan. 5.

thanks


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Adam Griffin on June 11, 2020, 06:37:20 PM
This was the right move. Now she needs to work on analyzing and correcting what went wrong to prep for Gov/Lt Gov/SoS in 2022.

Out of curiosity, what do you think went wrong for her? I think a lot of her problems were beyond her control.

This, essentially. The moment Ossoff entered (and to a lesser degree, Amico), it was over in retrospect. People forget that Georgia is a name recognition state. Democrats in particular are going to vote en masse for the name they recognize (and when that isn't a factor, boy, do you get some stupid outcomes). Her fundraising was lackluster but didn't cost her the race (need I point out the Stacey Evans of the world who outraised their opponents and still lost); mainly it just led to the first swipe that allowed for an anti-momentum narrative to take hold.

See the current outcome map? It's a media market/name rec map, and nothing more:

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Tomlinson won her home turf - i.e. the media market where she has had years of earned media exposure. While Ossoff was also well-known, she was the more trusted figure here obviously.

Amico won on the outskirts of Georgia in FL media markets because she was the only candidate to ever be on the ballot there, and neither of the other campaigns put any energy into these markets. By the way, this pattern of border counties in South GA has appeared in past primaries across both parties; neglect due to most people in those media markets being out-of-state. Similar but less absolute trends often occur in NW GA-Chatt media market: Ossoff was 25-35 there with Amico in 2nd, despite him winning majorities in every bordering ATL media market county.

Ossoff prevailed everywhere else due to his name rec and strength in the main media market.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Adam Griffin on June 11, 2020, 06:48:09 PM
Has anyone ever gotten a picture of, or proven the existence of Patricia McCracken yet?

https://www.blogfordemocracy.org/2010/07/mystery-galrevealed.html


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: DINGO Joe on June 11, 2020, 07:26:26 PM
Has anyone ever gotten a picture of, or proven the existence of Patricia McCracken yet?

https://www.blogfordemocracy.org/2010/07/mystery-galrevealed.html

Wow, I had just heard of her from 2016 when she won the nomination for GA 12, sight unseen and got 38% that fall, again never seen.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: wbrocks67 on June 11, 2020, 07:48:18 PM
It looks like Bordeaux may get 50% outright in GA-07. She's at 48.7% with many ballots still left to go


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Epaminondas on June 12, 2020, 12:33:46 AM
It looks like Bordeaux may get 50% outright in GA-07. She's at 48.7% with many ballots still left to go

Where do you find that? I see her at 47.0 on all news outlets.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Sir Mohamed on June 12, 2020, 02:10:42 AM
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Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: wbrocks67 on June 12, 2020, 05:16:51 AM
It looks like Bordeaux may get 50% outright in GA-07. She's at 48.7% with many ballots still left to go

Where do you find that? I see her at 47.0 on all news outlets.

she's at 48.9% on DDHQ

https://results.decisiondeskhq.com/2020/primary/georgia


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on June 12, 2020, 10:22:45 AM
Greg Bluestein of the AJC tweeted earlier this morning  (https://twitter.com/bluestein/status/1271434219747770370)that Bourdeaux is now at 49.3%.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: DINGO Joe on June 12, 2020, 10:41:34 AM
Greg Bluestein of the AJC tweeted earlier this morning  (https://twitter.com/bluestein/status/1271434219747770370)that Bourdeaux is now at 49.3%.

She's at 49.42 now.  Gwinnett does updates like every 2-3 hrs or so.  It just a matter of how much is left.  It'll be close and even then the provisionals could change things.  Even so, it would be hard for Romero to look at the numbers and decide to continue to a runoff.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: DINGO Joe on June 12, 2020, 11:04:01 AM
This was the right move. Now she needs to work on analyzing and correcting what went wrong to prep for Gov/Lt Gov/SoS in 2022.

Out of curiosity, what do you think went wrong for her? I think a lot of her problems were beyond her control.

This, essentially. The moment Ossoff entered (and to a lesser degree, Amico), it was over in retrospect. People forget that Georgia is a name recognition state. Democrats in particular are going to vote en masse for the name they recognize (and when that isn't a factor, boy, do you get some stupid outcomes). Her fundraising was lackluster but didn't cost her the race (need I point out the Stacey Evans of the world who outraised their opponents and still lost); mainly it just led to the first swipe that allowed for an anti-momentum narrative to take hold.

See the current outcome map? It's a media market/name rec map, and nothing more:

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Tomlinson won her home turf - i.e. the media market where she has had years of earned media exposure. While Ossoff was also well-known, she was the more trusted figure here obviously.

Amico won on the outskirts of Georgia in FL media markets because she was the only candidate to ever be on the ballot there, and neither of the other campaigns put any energy into these markets. By the way, this pattern of border counties in South GA has appeared in past primaries across both parties; neglect due to most people in those media markets being out-of-state. Similar but less absolute trends often occur in NW GA-Chatt media market: Ossoff was 25-35 there with Amico in 2nd, despite him winning majorities in every bordering ATL media market county.

Ossoff prevailed everywhere else due to his name rec and strength in the main media market.

The contrast in voting pattern is especially stark as you go from the Columbus to Atlanta market.  Harris Co votes 57-27 for Tomlinson while the next county north, Troup, votes 53-15 Ossoff.  It's almost like Columbus doesn't even exist.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: 2016 on June 12, 2020, 11:09:44 AM
Very interesting Observation:
Donald Trump and David Perdue basically were running UNOPPOSED in the GA Republican Primary.

With 93.71 % of Precincts reporting according to the GA SoS Office

Donald Trump 870,042 Votes

David Perdue 906,183 Votes

A 36K Undervote in the POTUS Race.

That suggests to me that Georgia is legitimately in play when it comes to the Presidential Race while Perdue will win Reelection.

And we will see this in November all over the Country that Republican Senate Incumbents will outperform President Trump just like a lot of GOP Incumbents did in 2016.

That's why I think Perdue, Tillis will have a greater than 50 % Chance getting reelected. Moderate Republicans don't like Trump BUT they won't everything to the D's.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on June 12, 2020, 11:42:46 AM
Very interesting Observation:
Donald Trump and David Perdue basically were running UNOPPOSED in the GA Republican Primary.

With 93.71 % of Precincts reporting according to the GA SoS Office

Donald Trump 870,042 Votes

David Perdue 906,183 Votes

A 36K Undervote in the POTUS Race.

That suggests to me that Georgia is legitimately in play when it comes to the Presidential Race while Perdue will win Reelection.

And we will see this in November all over the Country that Republican Senate Incumbents will outperform President Trump just like a lot of GOP Incumbents did in 2016.

That's why I think Perdue, Tillis will have a greater than 50 % Chance getting reelected. Moderate Republicans don't like Trump BUT they won't everything to the D's.

There were early votes for the Presidential primary only, because before the postponements it was on a different, earlier date than the other primaries.  Reportedly some counties are counting those early-early (presidential only) ballots last.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Pollster on June 12, 2020, 11:50:07 AM
Very interesting Observation:
Donald Trump and David Perdue basically were running UNOPPOSED in the GA Republican Primary.

With 93.71 % of Precincts reporting according to the GA SoS Office

Donald Trump 870,042 Votes

David Perdue 906,183 Votes

A 36K Undervote in the POTUS Race.

That suggests to me that Georgia is legitimately in play when it comes to the Presidential Race while Perdue will win Reelection.

And we will see this in November all over the Country that Republican Senate Incumbents will outperform President Trump just like a lot of GOP Incumbents did in 2016.

That's why I think Perdue, Tillis will have a greater than 50 % Chance getting reelected. Moderate Republicans don't like Trump BUT they won't everything to the D's.

By your logic, Ossoff will also outrun Biden since 869,779 votes have been cast in the Presidential primary but 948,438 votes have been cast in the Senate primary.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: free my dawg on June 12, 2020, 12:33:01 PM
Normally, I'm wary of rerunning losers. Even if they're great fundraisers like Ossoff, there's still a part of me that's hesitant.

Tomlinson, however, seems like an idiot and Democrats dodged a bullet here.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on June 12, 2020, 01:30:34 PM
Normally, I'm wary of rerunning losers. Even if they're great fundraisers like Ossoff, there's still a part of me that's hesitant.
GA is so tribal and partisan I don’t think it matters who we run. Stacey Abrams and the voter suppression stuff has Black people ready to turn out for whoever and we know the hicks are coming out full force to protect Trump. GA is going to be high turnout regardless. I think we are getting a runoff between Warnock and Collins and that’s going to be just as epic as the November general. What a time to be alive.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: 2016 on June 12, 2020, 01:48:15 PM
Normally, I'm wary of rerunning losers. Even if they're great fundraisers like Ossoff, there's still a part of me that's hesitant.
GA is so tribal and partisan I don’t think it matters who we run. Stacey Abrams and the voter suppression stuff has Black people ready to turn out for whoever and we know the hicks are coming out full force to protect Trump. GA is going to be high turnout regardless. I think we are getting a runoff between Warnock and Collins and that’s going to be just as epic as the November general. What a time to be alive.
No way is Warnock going to win a Runoff in January especially if the Senate is already decided one way or the other. I remember the ballistic Democratic Trolls over at DailyKos in 2008 when the believed Jim Martin would pull off a Runoff Victory against Saxby Chambliss. How did that turn out?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on June 12, 2020, 02:03:01 PM
Normally, I'm wary of rerunning losers. Even if they're great fundraisers like Ossoff, there's still a part of me that's hesitant.
GA is so tribal and partisan I don’t think it matters who we run. Stacey Abrams and the voter suppression stuff has Black people ready to turn out for whoever and we know the hicks are coming out full force to protect Trump. GA is going to be high turnout regardless. I think we are getting a runoff between Warnock and Collins and that’s going to be just as epic as the November general. What a time to be alive.
No way is Warnock going to win a Runoff in January especially if the Senate is already decided one way or the other. I remember the ballistic Democratic Trolls over at DailyKos in 2008 when the believed Jim Martin would pull off a Runoff Victory against Saxby Chambliss. How did that turn out?

You're citing what happened twelve years ago as a predictor for a hypothetical runoff?  The state has changed a lot since then.  I'm not saying that Warnock would necessarily be favored, but it wouldn't be a slam dunk for Collins.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: 2016 on June 12, 2020, 02:12:21 PM
Normally, I'm wary of rerunning losers. Even if they're great fundraisers like Ossoff, there's still a part of me that's hesitant.
GA is so tribal and partisan I don’t think it matters who we run. Stacey Abrams and the voter suppression stuff has Black people ready to turn out for whoever and we know the hicks are coming out full force to protect Trump. GA is going to be high turnout regardless. I think we are getting a runoff between Warnock and Collins and that’s going to be just as epic as the November general. What a time to be alive.
No way is Warnock going to win a Runoff in January especially if the Senate is already decided one way or the other. I remember the ballistic Democratic Trolls over at DailyKos in 2008 when the believed Jim Martin would pull off a Runoff Victory against Saxby Chambliss. How did that turn out?

You're citing what happened twelve years ago as a predictor for a hypothetical runoff?  The state has changed a lot since then.  I'm not saying that Warnock would necessarily be favored, but it wouldn't be a slam dunk for Collins.
Oh, I don't deny that Georgia has changed but Warnock would not get the AA Support he needs in a Runoff to win especially if the Senate is already decided.
Looking at the past few years only Popular Louisiana Governor John Bel Edwards has managed to win a Runoff in a State of the Deep South. That is saying something.

If Democrats want to win in States like GA, AL, MS they have to do it outright on Election Day in November.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: 2016 on June 12, 2020, 02:32:16 PM
Very interesting Observation:
Donald Trump and David Perdue basically were running UNOPPOSED in the GA Republican Primary.

With 93.71 % of Precincts reporting according to the GA SoS Office

Donald Trump 870,042 Votes

David Perdue 906,183 Votes

A 36K Undervote in the POTUS Race.

That suggests to me that Georgia is legitimately in play when it comes to the Presidential Race while Perdue will win Reelection.

And we will see this in November all over the Country that Republican Senate Incumbents will outperform President Trump just like a lot of GOP Incumbents did in 2016.

That's why I think Perdue, Tillis will have a greater than 50 % Chance getting reelected. Moderate Republicans don't like Trump BUT they won't everything to the D's.

By your logic, Ossoff will also outrun Biden since 869,779 votes have been cast in the Presidential primary but 948,438 votes have been cast in the Senate primary.
I'm sure you are old enough to remember the Missouri Senate Election in 2012 between McCaskill and Akin. There was a HUGE Drop-off between the POTUS Race and the Senate Race. Moderate Republicans were voting for Romney but not for Akin.
AND Donald Trump almost behaves like Akin at times.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on June 12, 2020, 02:48:45 PM
Normally, I'm wary of rerunning losers. Even if they're great fundraisers like Ossoff, there's still a part of me that's hesitant.
GA is so tribal and partisan I don’t think it matters who we run. Stacey Abrams and the voter suppression stuff has Black people ready to turn out for whoever and we know the hicks are coming out full force to protect Trump. GA is going to be high turnout regardless. I think we are getting a runoff between Warnock and Collins and that’s going to be just as epic as the November general. What a time to be alive.
No way is Warnock going to win a Runoff in January especially if the Senate is already decided one way or the other. I remember the ballistic Democratic Trolls over at DailyKos in 2008 when the believed Jim Martin would pull off a Runoff Victory against Saxby Chambliss. How did that turn out?

You're citing what happened twelve years ago as a predictor for a hypothetical runoff?  The state has changed a lot since then.  I'm not saying that Warnock would necessarily be favored, but it wouldn't be a slam dunk for Collins.
Oh, I don't deny that Georgia has changed but Warnock would not get the AA Support he needs in a Runoff to win especially if the Senate is already decided.
Looking at the past few years only Popular Louisiana Governor John Bel Edwards has managed to win a Runoff in a State of the Deep South. That is saying something.

If Democrats want to win in States like GA, AL, MS they have to do it outright on Election Day in November.
Sorry you don’t live here. This is not 2008. We have millions of new people on the rolls. In 2018, John Barrow and Lindy Miller got 48 percent in a run off for some down ballot races. The pastor of MLK’s old church, backed by Stacey Abrams, in the state at the center of voter suppression conversation is going to have high turnout in January. PERIOD.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: DINGO Joe on June 13, 2020, 04:27:00 PM
Bordeaux now at 50.5


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: 2016 on June 18, 2020, 03:30:22 PM
With all but 3 Precincts left to report according to the GA SoS Office Senator David Perdue has 43K more Votes than Trump.

Perdue: 958,560

Trump: 934,773

I'd say right now that Perdue is in better shap in his own Reelection Race compared to Trumps Quest to hang on to GA 15 Electoral Votes.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Suburbia on June 18, 2020, 06:11:23 PM
Lean R. The protests will determine the election.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Pericles on June 19, 2020, 07:59:05 PM
Lean R. The protests will determine the election.

GA is a tossup at this point. Maybe Lean R if the national environment were Tossup, but in a Lean/Likely D national environment it has to be a Tossup now.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: DINGO Joe on June 19, 2020, 07:59:58 PM
With all but 3 Precincts left to report according to the GA SoS Office Senator David Perdue has 43K more Votes than Trump.

Perdue: 958,560

Trump: 934,773

I'd say right now that Perdue is in better shap in his own Reelection Race compared to Trumps Quest to hang on to GA 15 Electoral Votes.

You should read the disclaimer at the top of the SOS results website that says ballots cast for the March Presidential Primary haven't been added to the totals at this point.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on June 20, 2020, 07:52:53 AM
With all but 3 Precincts left to report according to the GA SoS Office Senator David Perdue has 43K more Votes than Trump.

Perdue: 958,560

Trump: 934,773

I'd say right now that Perdue is in better shap in his own Reelection Race compared to Trumps Quest to hang on to GA 15 Electoral Votes.

You should read the disclaimer at the top of the SOS results website that says ballots cast for the March Presidential Primary haven't been added to the totals at this point.

He might also want to buy a calculator. ;)  958,560 - 934,773 = 23,787 (not 43K)


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Oryxslayer on June 25, 2020, 04:05:30 PM
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It really was just a media market battle.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: wbrocks67 on July 01, 2020, 06:43:28 AM
Wow. Ossoff raised $2.3 million just since winning the primary.



Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: OneJ on July 09, 2020, 11:34:47 PM


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: TrendsareUsuallyReal on July 09, 2020, 11:47:39 PM


Both sides finally agree this is a tossup race, I see. This county map is going to be almost as insane as ME GOV 2002!


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Adam Griffin on July 09, 2020, 11:48:42 PM
With all but 3 Precincts left to report according to the GA SoS Office Senator David Perdue has 43K more Votes than Trump.

Perdue: 958,560

Trump: 934,773

I'd say right now that Perdue is in better shap in his own Reelection Race compared to Trumps Quest to hang on to GA 15 Electoral Votes.

For the record/final numbers:

Trump   1033313
Perdue   992555

I wouldn't read much into these, as the drop-off - while a tad high - is for a primary and therefore more prone to volatility & protest-(non)voting.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Calthrina950 on July 10, 2020, 01:02:17 AM


Both sides finally agree this is a tossup race, I see. This county map is going to be almost as insane as ME GOV 2002!

It would be interesting if someone on here decided to produce a prediction of what Georgia's "joke map" would look like, with the alleged Perdue strength in the suburbs and the Ossoff strength in the rurals. I imagine that it would look similar to the 1980 Senate map between Mack Mattingly and Herman Talmadge:

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I've enjoyed the memes which have been made about such a scenario on this forum.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: MT Treasurer on July 10, 2020, 01:13:05 PM
Republicans desperately trying to rescue Suburban Perdue from total annihilation in the backcountry with a new hard-hitting, devastating attack ad which cunningly exploits past rural backlash to a condescending Anglican establishment:



Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: WD on July 10, 2020, 01:17:59 PM
Republicans desperately trying to rescue Suburban Perdue from total annihilation in the backcountry with a new hard-hitting, devastating attack ad which cunningly exploits past rural backlash to a condescending Anglican establishment:




Are they crazy? This is only going to hurt Perdue in the Suburbs. Once the Moderate Suburbanites see this their Going to abandon Perdue in droves. Maybe he’s not as formidable as we thought.

Titanium Perdue-> Tilt Perdue


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Roll Roons on July 10, 2020, 01:22:21 PM
Funny how they always use a narrator with a British accent to criticize candidates for being entitled. They did the same with Patrick Murphy in Florida four years ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H15LxRk8zOg


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: MT Treasurer on July 10, 2020, 01:42:54 PM
Are they crazy? This is only going to hurt Perdue in the Suburbs. Once the Moderate Suburbanites see this their Going to abandon Perdue in droves. Maybe he’s not as formidable as we thought.

Titanium Perdue-> Tilt Perdue

What? Perdue also released soothing suburban ads for his base:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZStHiUUSyd8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGjeOl2JaWw


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: WD on July 10, 2020, 01:51:02 PM
Are they crazy? This is only going to hurt Perdue in the Suburbs. Once the Moderate Suburbanites see this their Going to abandon Perdue in droves. Maybe he’s not as formidable as we thought.

Titanium Perdue-> Tilt Perdue

What? Perdue also released soothing suburban ads for his base:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZStHiUUSyd8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGjeOl2JaWw

Those are some really soothing ads. I’m gonna be honest if I lived in the Suburbs I would go straight out and change my registration from Democrat to Republican. No wonder Perdue is so beloved. He’s nothing like Trump, this man is the next Reagan.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: TrendsareUsuallyReal on July 10, 2020, 02:09:09 PM
Are they crazy? This is only going to hurt Perdue in the Suburbs. Once the Moderate Suburbanites see this their Going to abandon Perdue in droves. Maybe he’s not as formidable as we thought.

Titanium Perdue-> Tilt Perdue

What? Perdue also released soothing suburban ads for his base:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZStHiUUSyd8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGjeOl2JaWw

He really knows how to woo those suburbanites with his quarter-zip pullover


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on July 10, 2020, 02:09:59 PM
Purdue lives on a private island calling somebody privileged. Oh ok....


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: QAnonKelly on July 10, 2020, 03:00:29 PM
Are they crazy? This is only going to hurt Perdue in the Suburbs. Once the Moderate Suburbanites see this their Going to abandon Perdue in droves. Maybe he’s not as formidable as we thought.

Titanium Perdue-> Tilt Perdue

What? Perdue also released soothing suburban ads for his base:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZStHiUUSyd8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGjeOl2JaWw

Hahaha he turned the comments off cause he knew he was gonna get roasted 😂😂😂😂


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: TiltsAreUnderrated on July 11, 2020, 07:13:28 PM
Republicans desperately trying to rescue Suburban Perdue from total annihilation in the backcountry with a new hard-hitting, devastating attack ad which cunningly exploits past rural backlash to a condescending Anglican establishment:



This is a masterpiece in intimidation. The threat as Perdue adjusts his jacket is all too real for downballot Democrats; it's an allusion to the coattails that could sweep them aside should they try to voice support for Ossoff in his doomed bid.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: QAnonKelly on July 13, 2020, 03:54:28 PM
I’d forgotten about this but I wonder what happened with the case about Suburban Titan Dave snatching someone’s phone at Tech. I read the guy was suing him but I assume Perdue just settled it quietly and made the guy sign an NDA.  It’d make a pretty good ad for Ossoff tho.

Edit: One woke King of the suburbs endorses his fellow woke King of the suburbs





Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: VAR on July 15, 2020, 06:28:51 AM
Ossoff raised $2.2 million in Q2 (excluding that $250k loan).

Perdue, too, raised $2.2 million.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: wbrocks67 on July 15, 2020, 08:52:04 AM
Ossoff raised $2.2 million in Q2 (excluding that $250k loan).

Perdue, too, raised $2.2 million.

No, Ossosff raised $3.4M in Q2

https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/georgia-senate-ossoff-amasses-since-winning-primary/SZQereEAq1CO7UsbPhhGgM/


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: ON Progressive on July 27, 2020, 07:21:24 PM


Yikes...


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: WD on July 27, 2020, 08:26:06 PM

Yikes...

Uh oh, Perdue’s Moderate™ Suburban base won’t be pleased....

Safe R->Lean D


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Adam Griffin on July 28, 2020, 07:11:24 AM
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They should have just went all-out on Schumer and then tried to claim it was a face mask.

Also, does anybody else find it amusing that even the GOP now loves "the Obama font" (Gotham Black family) these days?

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Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: SnowLabrador on July 28, 2020, 11:26:06 AM
Hopefully this ad hurts Perdue, but since GOP voters love racism these days, it might help him.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: DINGO Joe on July 28, 2020, 11:28:45 AM
Perdue tells a lie and Ossoff's nose grows?  That's not how the story goes.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Bismarck on July 28, 2020, 11:44:18 AM
I know others disagree but I doubt it was intentional. It’s just too transparent. Also the people acting like including Schumer makes it more anti semetic are dumb. Using the leaders of the opposite party is pretty much universal. Just because the Democratic Party has lots of Jewish senators doesn’t mean they are off limits from association with Schumer. Now, if it was intentional, and it may have been, it’s of course anti Semitic and unacceptable.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Person Man on July 28, 2020, 02:16:10 PM
Perdue tells a lie and Ossoff's nose grows?  That's not how the story goes.
Well it’s (((Ossoff))) so...


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on July 28, 2020, 03:41:29 PM
I know others disagree but I doubt it was intentional. It’s just too transparent. Also the people acting like including Schumer makes it more anti semetic are dumb. Using the leaders of the opposite party is pretty much universal. Just because the Democratic Party has lots of Jewish senators doesn’t mean they are off limits from association with Schumer. Now, if it was intentional, and it may have been, it’s of course anti Semitic and unacceptable.
It really doesn't matter. Putting out an ad with two Jewish men, one with their nose enlarged claiming they're trying to "buy" Georgia is not a good look.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on July 28, 2020, 03:59:18 PM
What's next for Moderate Titan Perdue?
Putting Ossoff in an ad with Leo Frank?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: NewYorkExpress on July 28, 2020, 07:51:59 PM

Yikes...

I'm moving this one all the way to Likely D.

Purdue isn't surviving this.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: WD on July 28, 2020, 07:55:10 PM

Yikes...

I'm moving this one all the way to Likely D.

Purdue isn't surviving this.

Most people won’t care about this by November tbh. Also Georgia is a 50-50 swing state, so more like Tilt D.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: NewYorkExpress on July 28, 2020, 07:56:31 PM

Yikes...

I'm moving this one all the way to Likely D.

Purdue isn't surviving this.

Most people won’t care about this by November tbh. Also Georgia is a 50-50 swing state, so more like Tilt D.

I'm Jewish and I care (of course, I live in New York, not Georgia...)


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: QAnonKelly on July 28, 2020, 09:35:01 PM
What's next for Moderate Titan Perdue?
Putting Ossoff in an ad with Leo Frank?

Telling ppl to pray for Obama's death? Oh wait, nvm lol he already did that.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: DrScholl on July 28, 2020, 10:09:35 PM
It wasn't unintentional
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You can see that the lower half of his nose was moved forward. And considering that the image was extracted to get rid of the original background his nose wouldn't have come out bigger, it would have come out very slightly smaller due to the fact that extracting an image like that cuts off small portions.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: The Arizonan on July 28, 2020, 10:58:52 PM
My paternal grandfather is half-Jewish and I still care about a political story like this happening on the other side of the country.

I seriously hope that David Perdue loses just for this crap. What is he doing with a first name like David?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on July 29, 2020, 08:45:58 AM
Leo Frank, a Jewish man, was lynched in Marietta, Georgia in 1915 for a crime he didn't commit. This ad made me think about that yesterday and made me even angrier. Perdue is scum.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Sir Mohamed on July 30, 2020, 09:33:21 AM
And of course, like the leader of his party, Perdue just says it was some random dude creating the picture. These dudes never take responsibility for anything.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: The Arizonan on July 30, 2020, 09:38:46 AM
The story also made me think about how in the 1976 Senate election in Arizona, Congressman Sam Steiger was referred to as a “Jew from New York” by his primary opponent in the Republican primary. The primary turned into a nasty one. In November, Sam Steiger lost the Senate election to a Democrat, giving the Democrats another Senate seat.

This is how Republicans blow winnable Senate races.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: wbrocks67 on August 11, 2020, 06:12:08 AM


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: SnowLabrador on August 11, 2020, 06:20:13 AM


Not bad! Not bad at all!


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Left Wing on August 12, 2020, 10:16:46 AM



Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: TiltsAreUnderrated on August 16, 2020, 10:31:18 PM
The SOS site is listing filings from the last day available to minor party candidates. Two independents have failed to qualify so this is a Republican-Democratic-Libertarian race.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: YE on August 16, 2020, 10:38:34 PM
The SOS site is listing filings from the last day available to minor party candidates. Two independents have failed to qualify so this is a Republican-Democratic-Libertarian race.

That makes me a little more confident in Ossoff's relatively narrow path to victory.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: TiltsAreUnderrated on August 16, 2020, 10:44:41 PM
The SOS site is listing filings from the last day available to minor party candidates. Two independents have failed to qualify so this is a Republican-Democratic-Libertarian race.

That makes me a little more confident in Ossoff's relatively narrow path to victory.

Write-in candidates can still qualify up to September 7 but I'm not aware of any write-in efforts for this seat.

The flip side is that all of the candidates running in the other GA-SEN race have qualified. All 20 of them plus one write-in (so far).


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: wbrocks67 on September 03, 2020, 09:24:47 AM
Wow - Ossoff raised nearly $5M in August alone

https://www.ajc.com/politics/politics-blog/ossoff-raises-47m-in-august-in-bid-to-unseat-perdue/SXKEPCDWL5AQ5P6MHYSPUENABE/


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: NewYorkExpress on September 09, 2020, 12:19:11 PM
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/georgia-secretary-state-alleges-1000-cases-double-voting/story?id=72877190 (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/georgia-secretary-state-alleges-1000-cases-double-voting/story?id=72877190)

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Georgia's top election official said Tuesday that there were up to 1,000 potential instances of voters casting two ballots -- one by absentee ballot and one in person on election day -- across about 100 counties during the June presidential and statewide primaries and the August runoff elections.

"Let me be clear: It is a felony to double vote in Georgia, and we prosecute. ... A double voter knows exactly what they're doing, diluting the votes of each and every voter ... that follows the law. Those that make the choice to game the system are breaking the law, and as secretary of state, I will not tolerate it," Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, a Republican, said, adding that his office will work to prevent this from happening in November, but not detailing exactly how he plans to do that.


Raffensperger said that his office will be turning the suspected cases over to the state attorney general, local district attorneys and also federal prosecuting attorneys, should they want to take on these cases. He called double voting a "serious felony," noting that if convicted, voters who cast two ballots face a minimum sentence of one year in prison, and a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison, plus up to a $100,000 fine.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on September 09, 2020, 01:55:35 PM
Regardless of how this thing turns out, Osoff has turned out to be a surprisingly strong recruit.  I mean, the #WeakCandidateOsoff stuff was always silly, but it sure looks like he's basically doing everything right and then some. 


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: VAR on September 09, 2020, 02:22:09 PM
I never bought into #WeakCandidateOssoff. I think he’s a pretty good candidate. I remember rating this race Tilt D (in my signature). It’s a weak Tilt R now but if Biden wins GA by more than 1.5%, Perdue would probably lose. His crossover support seems weak.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: President Johnson on September 09, 2020, 02:33:29 PM
Regardless of how this thing turns out, Osoff has turned out to be a surprisingly strong recruit.  I mean, the #WeakCandidateOsoff stuff was always silly, but it sure looks like he's basically doing everything right and then some.  

That assumption was/is probably based on his loss in 2017 and suspicion whether a young white guy could turn out enough African Americans to vote for him. He definitely needs strong black turnout to have a chance. Maybe having Biden/Harris and Warnock running on the same ticket helps as well.

Still believe Trump and Perdue will narrowly pull it off though. But wish I get proven wrong in two months.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Pollster on September 10, 2020, 10:24:57 AM
Ossoff certainly does appear to have learned from his 2017 defeat, which is obviously a very good sign.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: RussFeingoldWasRobbed on September 10, 2020, 02:06:30 PM
Ossof is definitely underrated. I really think hell get 50


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: TiltsAreUnderrated on September 10, 2020, 03:02:30 PM
Although one write-in candidate qualified for the Loeffler race, none did so here. Now that the deadline has passed, does this mean there won't be a write-in space on the ballot? That would reduce the chances of a runoff occurring.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: SnowLabrador on September 10, 2020, 03:03:57 PM
I think the chances of a runoff here are overestimated. I doubt Hazel (the Libertarian) gets more than 1%, and he's the only third-party candidate on the ballot.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Left Wing on September 14, 2020, 10:21:50 PM
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Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: skbl17 on September 15, 2020, 02:02:23 AM
Although one write-in candidate qualified for the Loeffler race, none did so here. Now that the deadline has passed, does this mean there won't be a write-in space on the ballot? That would reduce the chances of a runoff occurring.

There is a write-in space, actually. This is from the sample ballot:

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Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Adam Griffin on September 15, 2020, 02:51:29 AM
There's always a write-in space for every contest in GA, regardless of who is contesting it or if there are any valid write-in candidates. I always take the extra time to write-in "Democrat" in protest for every uncontested race.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: wbrocks67 on October 06, 2020, 06:13:21 AM
Yeah, Perdue ain't up 5-7



Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on October 06, 2020, 09:24:32 AM
I think they're worried.  I've suddenly been getting a ton of anti-Ossoff mailers.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: We Live in Black and White on October 06, 2020, 10:31:54 AM
With how bad Georgia is looking for Trump, they'd better be worried.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Lognog on October 06, 2020, 11:29:33 AM
With how bad Georgia is looking for Trump, they'd better be worried,

They're worried but it looks like the campaign has gone all in on PA WI AZ FL

They've totally stopped worrying about he periphery states likes IA OH GA TX because they can't afford to compete there. The campaign only has resources for the tipping points


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: wbrocks67 on October 06, 2020, 12:57:44 PM
With how bad Georgia is looking for Trump, they'd better be worried,

They're worried but it looks like the campaign has gone all in on PA WI AZ FL

They've totally stopped worrying about he periphery states likes IA OH GA TX because they can't afford to compete there. The campaign only has resources for the tipping points

The problem with that is only AZ has a senate race. So by default if Trump gives up on IA, GA, and TX, that's good for Greenfield, Warnock, Ossoff, Hegar, etc


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: QAnonKelly on October 06, 2020, 03:43:26 PM
Perdue is definitely suffering from Trump being cash strapped right now.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Lognog on October 06, 2020, 04:40:35 PM
With how bad Georgia is looking for Trump, they'd better be worried,

They're worried but it looks like the campaign has gone all in on PA WI AZ FL

They've totally stopped worrying about he periphery states likes IA OH GA TX because they can't afford to compete there. The campaign only has resources for the tipping points

The problem with that is only AZ has a senate race. So by default if Trump gives up on IA, GA, and TX, that's good for Greenfield, Perdue, Ossoff, Hegar, etc

I totally agree, however I think the big thing is, Trump couldn't care less about the senate. He's worried about his own election and he doesn't care if democrats get supermajorities as long as he wins

He took a bunch of money that house Republicans raised and then refused to help them out when they had no money


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: VAR on October 12, 2020, 06:04:10 AM
Perdue and Ossoff are set to debate this afternoon.

https://www.startribune.com/perdue-ossoff-set-for-1st-georgia-senate-debate/572711161/


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: VAR on October 13, 2020, 01:39:38 AM
 In first debate, Ossoff and Perdue each try to paint rival as yes man or 'rubber stamp’. (https://www.ajc.com/politics/in-first-debate-ossoff-and-perdue-each-try-to-paint-rival-as-yes-man-or-rubber-stamp/MZ74JK2OGRCLDAS6BCD6MITOHI/)

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Throughout the hourlong Atlanta Press Club debate, Perdue depicted Ossoff as a liberal stalking horse who would say “anything to hide his radical socialist agenda.” The Democrat swung back, trying to frame Perdue as a relic of a corrupt status quo and a yes man to President Donald Trump.

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Rather than play the showdown safe, Perdue took on the role of a fiery underdog, peppering his challenger with attacks while repeatedly challenging moderator Donna Lowry on the debate’s rules to gain more speaking time.

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“All you’d do is be a rubber stamp for Chuck Schumer, who is locking this country down,” Perdue said in one testy exchange, invoking the top Democrat in the U.S. Senate. “It just seems to me that you’ll say anything to hide your radical socialist agenda.”

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The sharpest clash took place when Perdue dismissed Ossoff’s critiques of his pandemic response as little more than “Monday morning quarterbacking” and “idle chatter.”

“Senator, I’m astounded. It’s not idle chatter, senator. It’s 220,000 Americans killed by a virus,” said Ossoff, who runs a firm that makes investigative documentaries, adding: “And listen to you — schoolyard insults. Not a shred of empathy. Not a shred of personal responsibility.”

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Throughout the debate, Perdue declared that Ossoff supports the “defund the police” movement — an assertion that Ossoff has long denied — suggested he was in league with terrorists and falsely claimed the Democrat was endorsed by Communists.

And Ossoff accused Perdue of abusing his power and putting his loyalty to Trump ahead of Georgia, while also mocking his debate skills. Twice, he accused the senator of “reading from your notes that your staff has provided for you.”

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Both tried to use Libertarian Shane Hazel, a third-party candidate who is trailing badly in the polls, as a foil to make their points about their rivals. The military veteran joked that the hourlong debate garnered him more attention than his entire campaign, and he called himself a model of “principled consistency.”

“You’re not going to get it through these types of politicians,” said Hazel, a former GOP congressional candidate.

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No matter the question, whether it involved school waivers or Barrett’s appointment, Perdue pivoted to call Ossoff as a “radical socialist agenda” — a variation of a charge Perdue used at least a half-dozen times. Ossoff, meanwhile, raced to paint his opponent as hopelessly disconnected from the “real world where people are suffering."


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Calthrina950 on October 13, 2020, 09:50:24 AM
In first debate, Ossoff and Perdue each try to paint rival as yes man or 'rubber stamp’. (https://www.ajc.com/politics/in-first-debate-ossoff-and-perdue-each-try-to-paint-rival-as-yes-man-or-rubber-stamp/MZ74JK2OGRCLDAS6BCD6MITOHI/)

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Throughout the hourlong Atlanta Press Club debate, Perdue depicted Ossoff as a liberal stalking horse who would say “anything to hide his radical socialist agenda.” The Democrat swung back, trying to frame Perdue as a relic of a corrupt status quo and a yes man to President Donald Trump.

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Rather than play the showdown safe, Perdue took on the role of a fiery underdog, peppering his challenger with attacks while repeatedly challenging moderator Donna Lowry on the debate’s rules to gain more speaking time.

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“All you’d do is be a rubber stamp for Chuck Schumer, who is locking this country down,” Perdue said in one testy exchange, invoking the top Democrat in the U.S. Senate. “It just seems to me that you’ll say anything to hide your radical socialist agenda.”

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The sharpest clash took place when Perdue dismissed Ossoff’s critiques of his pandemic response as little more than “Monday morning quarterbacking” and “idle chatter.”

“Senator, I’m astounded. It’s not idle chatter, senator. It’s 220,000 Americans killed by a virus,” said Ossoff, who runs a firm that makes investigative documentaries, adding: “And listen to you — schoolyard insults. Not a shred of empathy. Not a shred of personal responsibility.”

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Throughout the debate, Perdue declared that Ossoff supports the “defund the police” movement — an assertion that Ossoff has long denied — suggested he was in league with terrorists and falsely claimed the Democrat was endorsed by Communists.

And Ossoff accused Perdue of abusing his power and putting his loyalty to Trump ahead of Georgia, while also mocking his debate skills. Twice, he accused the senator of “reading from your notes that your staff has provided for you.”

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Both tried to use Libertarian Shane Hazel, a third-party candidate who is trailing badly in the polls, as a foil to make their points about their rivals. The military veteran joked that the hourlong debate garnered him more attention than his entire campaign, and he called himself a model of “principled consistency.”

“You’re not going to get it through these types of politicians,” said Hazel, a former GOP congressional candidate.

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No matter the question, whether it involved school waivers or Barrett’s appointment, Perdue pivoted to call Ossoff as a “radical socialist agenda” — a variation of a charge Perdue used at least a half-dozen times. Ossoff, meanwhile, raced to paint his opponent as hopelessly disconnected from the “real world where people are suffering."

Perdue seems to have gone all in on a strategy of mobilizing rural white voters and Trumpists-a strategy that isn't going to help him with college-educated suburbanites and independents who have become increasingly wary of Republicans. Given what happened in 2018 between Brian Kemp and Stacey Abrams, this strategy could work, but it's a very risky one.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: fishigan on October 13, 2020, 11:55:49 AM
Perdue's main chance is to ride in on Trump's coattails. If Trump doesn't take GA (which in recent weeks he hasn't put a lot of resources into), I doubt Perdue has a shot at reelection. A friend in GA (that is, 1 guy's opinion) said that yesterday's debate is going to help Ossoff by enough to make it a tossup, if not lean D. #TossupParty


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Interlocutor is just not there yet on October 15, 2020, 12:39:39 PM


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: VAR on October 16, 2020, 05:31:02 AM
Perdue raised $5.6M in Q3, has $8.2M in cash on hand.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Common Sense Atlantan on October 16, 2020, 10:24:59 AM
I have a feeling Perdue wins. I just don't see Ossof getting 50+


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: RussFeingoldWasRobbed on October 16, 2020, 11:03:11 AM
LOL the GOP are running ads in Raleigh now. What, is suburban king David Perdue supposed to save Senator Tillis with his mega coattails?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Torrain on October 16, 2020, 04:01:52 PM
LOL the GOP are running ads in Raleigh now. What, is suburban king David Perdue supposed to save Senator Tillis with his mega coattails?

Of course, how do you think Trump is going to win NC and Florida? A rising tide lifts all boats, and David Perdue isn't just a tide, he's the whole ocean.

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Look at the sheer charisma the man emanates.


I'm so bored that I'm reduced to s**tposting about the most mediocre member of the US Senate, please send help


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: tagimaucia on October 16, 2020, 05:24:37 PM


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Gass3268 on October 16, 2020, 05:31:06 PM




Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: TiltsAreUnderrated on October 16, 2020, 05:32:32 PM


Expert use of mirth to appeal to the optimistic Atlanta suburbanites upset with Trump's negative populism.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Roll Roons on October 16, 2020, 05:33:45 PM




I think this dude really overestimates the importance of gaffes in his ratings/analysis. Post-Trump, the standards are a lot lower.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: tagimaucia on October 16, 2020, 05:40:13 PM
I'm actually not sure if this will have any impact. I kinda suspect that nearly all of the historically Republican voters in Georgia who would actually be bothered by this sort of thing are already voting for Democrats this year.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Torrain on October 16, 2020, 05:49:14 PM
I mean, it probably won’t swing too many voters, but I think Dem pacs should could certainly run at least one “Kamamboamamla” ad in the Atlanta media market.

Every uncomfortable suburban voter who doesn’t pull the lever for Perdue gets Ossoff closer to the finish line.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Gass3268 on October 16, 2020, 05:58:49 PM




I think this dude really overestimates the importance of gaffes in his ratings/analysis. Post-Trump, the standards are a lot lower.

Oh I agree, I just thought it was funny and similar to this.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Roll Roons on October 16, 2020, 06:03:06 PM




I think this dude really overestimates the importance of gaffes in his ratings/analysis. Post-Trump, the standards are a lot lower.

Oh I agree, I just thought it was funny and similar to this.

Lol it definitely was. And it certainly doesn't help Perdue, especially with the growing Indian-American population in the Atlanta area.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: DrScholl on October 16, 2020, 06:09:50 PM
This might be a good opening to bring up when Perdue suggested praying for President Obama to die.

https://www.businessinsider.com/david-perdue-obama-bible-2016-6

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“I think we are called to pray," Perdue began. "I think we’re called to pray for our country, for our leaders, and, yes, even for our president. [In] his role as president I think we should pray for Barack Obama, but I think we need to be very specific about how we pray. We should pray like Psalm 109:8 says. It says let his days be few and let another have his office.”
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How the verse goes

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May his days be few;
may another take his place of leadership.
May his children be fatherless
and his wife a widow.
May his children be wandering beggars;
may they be driven a from their ruined homes.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: SevenEleven on October 16, 2020, 06:22:15 PM




I think this dude really overestimates the importance of gaffes in his ratings/analysis. Post-Trump, the standards are a lot lower.

This isn't a gaffe; Perdue is simply an asshole.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: QAnonKelly on October 16, 2020, 06:39:31 PM
Glad him purposefully mispronouncing her name and Loeffler with her Q-anon endorsement are really understanding that they're bleeding college educated white voters with each passing day.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: QAnonKelly on October 16, 2020, 06:42:56 PM




I think this dude really overestimates the importance of gaffes in his ratings/analysis. Post-Trump, the standards are a lot lower.

This isn't a gaffe. They've been colleagues for four years and are on the budget committee together, he knows damn well how to pronounce her name.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Indy Texas on October 16, 2020, 06:56:07 PM
The only way it could have been worse is if he tried doing a really bad version of an Indian accent.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Thomas D on October 16, 2020, 07:02:09 PM


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Lief 🗽 on October 16, 2020, 07:03:51 PM
Unfortunately I don't think this will hurt him as much as it hurt Allen. Unlike in 2006, when non-racists were still a small but significant part of the GOP coalition, at this point anyone who is open to voting for a Republican is a-okay with this kind of thing.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Suburbia on October 16, 2020, 07:05:56 PM
Perdue still wins

Warnock and Ossoff are not winning GA this year

Not in this climate


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on October 16, 2020, 07:35:57 PM
Perdue still wins

Warnock and Ossoff are not winning GA this year

Not in this climate
Y'all say anything on this website.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Torrain on October 16, 2020, 07:37:16 PM
We keep saying this won’t matter, but Purdue’s Head of Comms felt compelled to spin the story on Twitter, which suggests there’s at least a little nervousness. If you thought the story would just go away, the last thing you’d do would be to farm out a defensive press release for the world to see.



Also, Ossoff is running with it:



Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Barack Oganja on October 16, 2020, 07:56:57 PM
We keep saying this won’t matter, but Purdue’s Head of Comms felt compelled to spin the story on Twitter, which suggests there’s at least a little nervousness. If you thought the story would just go away, the last thing you’d do would be to farm out a defensive press release for the world to see.



Also, Ossoff is running with it:


Ratio to end all ratios


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Torrain on October 16, 2020, 08:01:05 PM
We keep saying this won’t matter, but Purdue’s Head of Comms felt compelled to spin the story on Twitter, which suggests there’s at least a little nervousness. If you thought the story would just go away, the last thing you’d do would be to farm out a defensive press release for the world to see.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JBurkeNation/status/1317251339236331520
Also, Ossoff is running with it:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ossoff/status/1317231042089111552
Ratio to end all ratios

Man, you’re right. He’s getting slaughtered.

Half the comments are people showing that they’ve sent money to Ossoff.

Looks like he’s getting some of that Jamie Harrison/Beto O’Rourke liberal rage cash.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: SnowLabrador on October 16, 2020, 08:10:15 PM
I still don't think this will matter.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Pericles on October 16, 2020, 08:41:37 PM
Perdue still wins

Warnock and Ossoff are not winning GA this year

Not in this climate

What climate would Democrats need? It's a blue wave year.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: OSR stands with Israel on October 16, 2020, 08:43:25 PM
Perdue still wins

Warnock and Ossoff are not winning GA this year

Not in this climate

What climate would Democrats need? It's a blue wave year.

Depends on how large the wave is though, if the Dems win by around 6 points nationally then Biden will proabbly lose Georgia and unless Osoff can outperform Biden he will lose too


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Storr on October 16, 2020, 08:45:37 PM
I can hear my parents listening to Rachel Maddow's show downstairs and I just heard the infamous George Allen clip from 2006. So, this is at least gaining traction in mainstream liberal media.

My two cents on the whole thing: Purdue obviously intentionally mispronounced and mocked Kamala's name. There's at least some racial component to mocking Harris' name because you wouldn't be hearing Republicans intentionally mispronounce her name if it was a "normal white" name like Jane or Karen. After all, you don't hear Republicans mispronouncing "Joe".
Politically, this is different from Allen's incident since mispronouncing and mocking someone's name isn't as blatantly racist as calling someone a slur. Purdue can at least make a cohesive and believable argument that he simply mispronounced "Kamala", but there's no easy PR-friendly excuse after calling someone an ethnic/racial slur.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Indy Texas on October 16, 2020, 09:27:07 PM
Apparently the GOP is going to just lean into xenophobia and racism the final stretch of the campaign.

"Dee-pass-quail? We don't need no eye-talian foreigners in Congress! This is America. We speak English and we're not learning how to spell all these names with a bunch of extra letters!"



Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: walleye26 on October 16, 2020, 09:41:20 PM
Can somebody explain the “George Allen Incident” to me that people are referring to in Perdue’s name issue?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: SevenEleven on October 16, 2020, 09:44:03 PM
Can somebody explain the “George Allen Incident” to me that people are referring to in Perdue’s name issue?

He referred to an Indian-American staffer as a "macaca" and subsequently lost his lead and eventually the election.

Personally, I think what Perdue is doing is just as awful, same with when the Republicans were calling President Obama "Hussein" all the time.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: President Punxsutawney Phil on October 16, 2020, 09:45:42 PM
Can somebody explain the “George Allen Incident” to me that people are referring to in Perdue’s name issue?
in 2006 George Allen used the word "macaca" at a campaign rally to describe an Indian-American who was working with his opponent's campaign, tracking Allen's campaign events. It turned out this was a slur and it helped Allen lose via bad publicity.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: 7,052,770 on October 16, 2020, 09:46:50 PM
This has legs.

Tilt D -> Lean D


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: President Punxsutawney Phil on October 16, 2020, 09:52:02 PM


For anyone interested this is a Youtube video of the incident.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Indy Texas on October 16, 2020, 10:08:06 PM
I had never heard of the term "macaca" prior to the incident. When it first happened, I thought Allen was mocking the tracker by coming up with some gobbledygook fake Indian name (like if he'd referred to a Chinese person as "Ching Chong" or something).


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on October 16, 2020, 10:28:36 PM
Anything that gets Ossoff resistance wine mom cash to turn out the burgeoning blue majority matters.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on October 16, 2020, 10:33:31 PM
Republicans joke about the pronunciation of Kamala's name because there was such an uproar in the liberal media when Tucker Carlson mispronounced it and cries of racism even though it's an easy thing to get wrong.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: The Legend on October 16, 2020, 10:39:22 PM
The cash advantage for Ossoff will be incredible from here on in. I can only imagine the runoff...


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: freepcrusher on October 16, 2020, 10:58:19 PM
it's hard to know how the cookie will crumble in this situation. A lot of people thought Trump was finished after that clip from 2005 surfaced - but the overreaction by the media and the sort of bad faith puritanism of them ended up helping Trump.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Pericles on October 16, 2020, 10:59:48 PM
it's hard to know how the cookie will crumble in this situation. A lot of people thought Trump was finished after that clip from 2005 surfaced - but the overreaction by the media and the sort of bad faith puritanism of them ended up helping Trump.

Nah, people thought Trump's treatment of women was an issue, they just didn't care enough compared to other policy issues and Hillary's perceived flaws for it to stop him winning.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Ferguson97 on October 16, 2020, 11:49:15 PM
I hate Purdue but this won’t matter. It’s the Republican version of the Cal scandal


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: QAnonKelly on October 17, 2020, 12:07:33 AM
Republicans joke about the pronunciation of Kamala's name because there was such an uproar in the liberal media when Tucker Carlson mispronounced it and cries of racism even though it's an easy thing to get wrong.

The problem wasn’t that Tucker mispronounced it initially. I call her “Ka-maw-la” a lot because there’s a Marvel character where it’s pronounced that way. It’s an honest mistake. The problem is that when his guest politely told him how to pronounce it correctly, he said kept doing it on purpose.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on October 17, 2020, 01:10:52 AM
I hate Purdue but this won’t matter. It’s the Republican version of the Cal scandal
How many times y’all gon say that? Not a single person has posted that this is going to flip a Perdue voter. In a race that will be decided by <50,000 voters whether it’s a win, loss, or runoff Ossoff having more money to turn out low propensity Black Democrats and first time voters from immigrant communities in places like Cobb and Gwinnett matters.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: wbrocks67 on October 17, 2020, 09:08:44 AM
People seem to think that Perdue has enough of a lead to avoid gaffes, but considering the polls have the two about tied, Perdue can't afford any screw ups


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Buzz on October 17, 2020, 09:32:31 AM
I went to the rally in Macon last night.  Talked to a lot of folks and seemed to be more Doug Collins support than for Kelly Loeffler.  I’m still undecided.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: 7,052,770 on October 17, 2020, 09:53:43 AM


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: DrScholl on October 17, 2020, 10:10:37 AM
Republicans joke about the pronunciation of Kamala's name because there was such an uproar in the liberal media when Tucker Carlson mispronounced it and cries of racism even though it's an easy thing to get wrong.

Making fun of somebody's name makes you an ass. He's a Senator, not a damn comedian. And Tucker Carlson didn't mispronounce her name accidentally, he was being a you-know-what. These people have nothing left but childish stupidity and that is why they are set to lose big.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Pollster on October 17, 2020, 10:12:17 AM
Republicans joke about the pronunciation of Kamala's name because there was such an uproar in the liberal media when Tucker Carlson mispronounced it and cries of racism even though it's an easy thing to get wrong.

It's pronounced exactly the way it's spelled, contains no challenging sequences of letters, no letter groupings that produce a strange, difficult, or unexpected pronunciation, no letters that are silent, and is quite literally the same vowel sound repeated three times, each time with a simple consonant preceding that has no alternative pronunciation.

It's really funny, because Tucker Carlson, David Perdue and many like them have no issue learning and perfectly pronouncing names like Amodei, Boozman, Chabot, DesJarlais, Herrera Beutler, Huizenga, Loeffler, Luetkemeyer, Moolenaar, Reschenthaler, Sensenbrenner, Steube, and not to mention names like Breitbart, D'Souza, Krauthammer, Limbaugh, Loesch, Scalia, Schlafly, and my personal favorite, Yiannopoulos.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Blair on October 17, 2020, 10:16:47 AM
FWIW the real killer for Allen was that he said 'welcome to America' to someone who was born & raised in Virginia... so he had no real defence.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Blair on October 17, 2020, 10:20:55 AM
As someone who works in politics a good rule is would you go back in time & tell your boss not to do this again & did you get any benefit from them doing it?

The answer is clearly Yes & No.

This is not a good move & please ignore the mental gymnastics which tries to pretend that everything awful is actually good... it's often not!


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: VAR on October 17, 2020, 10:25:18 AM
This isn’t a gaffe lmao. Also, it’s a pretty bad look, no? He shouldn’t be alienating his suburban base.  :P


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Lognog on October 17, 2020, 10:39:27 AM
This isn’t a gaffe lmao. Also, it’s a pretty bad look, no? He shouldn’t be alienating his suburban base.  :P

If you can't see this as a gaffe, you're a hack


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: TiltsAreUnderrated on October 17, 2020, 10:44:03 AM
This isn’t a gaffe lmao. Also, it’s a pretty bad look, no? He shouldn’t be alienating his suburban base.  :P

If you can't see this as a gaffe, you're a hack

It's not a gaffe because gaffes are accidental.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: DrScholl on October 17, 2020, 02:53:54 PM


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on October 17, 2020, 02:55:14 PM


He got $30 million for a House race where he did worse than Hillary, so why not?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: DrScholl on October 17, 2020, 03:05:00 PM


He got $30 million for a House race where he did worse than Hillary, so why not?

I'm guessing you sent Perdue some money because you think he is progressive for mocking Harris. Go sit yourself down.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Joe Republic on October 17, 2020, 07:08:36 PM


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on October 17, 2020, 07:17:27 PM
https://twitter.com/ossoff/status/1317528476082180099

He got $30 million for a House race where he did worse than Hillary, so why not?
You’re such a bitter ass hater.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: QAnonKelly on October 17, 2020, 07:30:32 PM


He got $30 million for a House race where he did worse than Hillary, so why not?

And yet you probably donated to Sanders this time for him to do worse than in 2016.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: President Johnson on October 18, 2020, 05:18:13 AM
Is it just me or anyone else thinking it's actually good for Democrats that these two senate races are coming up at the same time with both Ossoff and Warnock running? Both campaigns support each other, right?

It's clear that the path for a Democratic win Georgia is a combination of white suburban/college grads and strong turnout from the African American community. Both candidates have different strenghts, it seems: Warnock certainly helps driving up black turnout, while Ossoff is a good fir for whites with high education and moderate suburbanites. So by conclusion, I think both campaigns benefit from each other. And I don't see that many voters voting for just one of them, especially now that Lieberman's campaign has collapsed in recent polling. Would actually be great if both win this thing outright.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Torrain on October 18, 2020, 06:34:35 AM
Is it just me or anyone else thinking it's actually good for Democrats that these two senate races are coming up at the same time with both Ossoff and Warnock running? Both campaigns support each other, right?

It's clear that the path for a Democratic win Georgia is a combination of white suburban/college grads and strong turnout from the African American community. Both candidates have different strenghts, it seems: Warnock certainly helps driving up black turnout, while Ossoff is a good fir for whites with high education and moderate suburbanites. So by conclusion, I think both campaigns benefit from each other. And I don't see that many voters voting for just one of them, especially now that Lieberman's campaign has collapsed in recent polling. Would actually be great if both win this thing outright.

So like a tag team, or even (pseudo) running mates? I like that...



Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: tagimaucia on October 18, 2020, 07:22:05 AM


He got $30 million for a House race where he did worse than Hillary, so why not?

I don’t really like Ossoff much (but I still hope he wins like I hope every D senate candidate wins), but is there really any reason to think that he wouldn’t have done every bit as good as McBath if he had run in 2018 and had benefited from the higher turnout she got relative to the special? I don’t think so.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: wbrocks67 on October 18, 2020, 02:07:48 PM
Is it just me or anyone else thinking it's actually good for Democrats that these two senate races are coming up at the same time with both Ossoff and Warnock running? Both campaigns support each other, right?

It's clear that the path for a Democratic win Georgia is a combination of white suburban/college grads and strong turnout from the African American community. Both candidates have different strenghts, it seems: Warnock certainly helps driving up black turnout, while Ossoff is a good fir for whites with high education and moderate suburbanites. So by conclusion, I think both campaigns benefit from each other. And I don't see that many voters voting for just one of them, especially now that Lieberman's campaign has collapsed in recent polling. Would actually be great if both win this thing outright.

Is there a reason they haven't done like a joint campaign event or anything? I agree with everything you said and am surprised they don't seem to be coordinating *at all*


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: OneJ on October 18, 2020, 02:25:48 PM
Is it just me or anyone else thinking it's actually good for Democrats that these two senate races are coming up at the same time with both Ossoff and Warnock running? Both campaigns support each other, right?

It's clear that the path for a Democratic win Georgia is a combination of white suburban/college grads and strong turnout from the African American community. Both candidates have different strenghts, it seems: Warnock certainly helps driving up black turnout, while Ossoff is a good fir for whites with high education and moderate suburbanites. So by conclusion, I think both campaigns benefit from each other. And I don't see that many voters voting for just one of them, especially now that Lieberman's campaign has collapsed in recent polling. Would actually be great if both win this thing outright.

Is there a reason they haven't done like a joint campaign event or anything? I agree with everything you said and am surprised they don't seem to be coordinating *at all*

They have actually.



Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: brucejoel99 on October 18, 2020, 02:30:53 PM


He got $30 million for a House race where he did worse than Hillary, so why not?

I don’t really like Ossoff much (but I still hope he wins like I hope every D senate candidate wins), but is there really any reason to think that he wouldn’t have done every bit as good as McBath if he had run in 2018 and had benefited from the higher turnout she got relative to the special? I don’t think so.

Ah, but you see, actually using logic like that means you can't sh*t on the 'neolibs,' & we can't have that, now can we?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Torrain on October 19, 2020, 11:12:56 AM
Reporting from the Hill, in 2014:

Quote
Perdue cut work in India from bio (https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/220551-perdue-cut-work-in-india-from-bio)
Georgia Republican David Perdue worked for an Indian company between his time running Dollar General and his decision to run for the Senate — a period that was removed from his business website’s biography shortly before he announced his campaign last spring.

Perdue had a senior consulting role at Indian chemical textile conglomerate Gujarat Heavy Chemicals Ltd. (GHCL) between 2007 and 2009, helping the company, as it looked into creating retail operations in India. He rarely if ever brings up his work for that company on the campaign trail, and his time with GHCL has not previously been reported on.

I know it's an old story, but given the events of the last week it feels pertinent.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Hammy on October 20, 2020, 10:19:45 PM
Does anybody else feel like Perdue's 'I need to set the record straight' 10-15 second ads reek of desperation?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: QAnonKelly on October 20, 2020, 10:32:57 PM
Does anybody else feel like Perdue's 'I need to set the record straight' 10-15 second ads reek of desperation?

Yep. Just got one on YouTube and had the same thought.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: GeorgiaModerate on October 21, 2020, 07:39:33 AM
Does anybody else feel like Perdue's 'I need to set the record straight' 10-15 second ads reek of desperation?

Yep.  When you're explaining, you're losing that battle.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: OneJ on October 21, 2020, 09:36:25 AM
And here's video of the duo campaigning together:



Honestly, I think it's the media's fault for not covering if a lot of election fans who follow the race aren't aware that Ossoff and Warnock have been cooperating with each other but it's good that the duo have done/are doing this.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: wbrocks67 on October 26, 2020, 05:14:47 PM


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Ljube on October 26, 2020, 05:20:50 PM
This could be the reason Biden is campaigning in Georgia.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: GALeftist on October 26, 2020, 05:25:32 PM
I would bet that those Perdue ads actually increase awareness of that scandal. Small brained move.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: forsythvoter on October 27, 2020, 12:09:43 AM
GA Republicans have run pretty crappy campaigns this year and I hope they get their act together in the runoff election.

Loeffler and Collins are trying to out-Trump one another in a way that is seriously turning off moderate and even moderately conservative suburbanites. I hope whichever of the two emerges from the first round tones down their rhetoric for the runoff if they care at all about winning.

As for Perdue, he seems to be giving off the impression that he's a career bureaucrat with skeletons in the closest. His Kamala gaffe was also entirely unnecessary and gave the impression that he was mocking her name.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on October 27, 2020, 01:02:11 AM
So if this goes to runoff, does Perdue technically have to be appointed for a few days because the runoff is after the new Senate term begins?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Illini Moderate on October 27, 2020, 10:38:00 AM
GA Republicans have run pretty crappy campaigns this year and I hope they get their act together in the runoff election.

Loeffler and Collins are trying to out-Trump one another in a way that is seriously turning off moderate and even moderately conservative suburbanites. I hope whichever of the two emerges from the first round tones down their rhetoric for the runoff if they care at all about winning.

As for Perdue, he seems to be giving off the impression that he's a career bureaucrat with skeletons in the closest. His Kamala gaffe was also entirely unnecessary and gave the impression that he was mocking her name.

Loeffler will be stuck if she tries to pivot at this point. She has been so transparent about pandering to the far right in order to stave off her primary challenge, that no amount of "toning it down" can help her appeal to moderates.  She is honestly one of the most pathetic politicians I have ever seen in my life. She clearly will do and say anything to get elected. It's crazy how she started her term as traditional, low profile, conservative Senator and then immediately pivoted to employing racist dogwhistles and embracing unhinged conspiracies the minute Doug Collins entered the race. I get it. A politician needs to win in order to accomplish anything, and all politicians pander. But the fact that she did a damn near complete 180 and is now courting conspiracy theorists and racists by using god awful, divisive rhetoric is just a shame. Doug Collins is a bigot too, but at least he seems to genuinely believe what he says. Stacey Abrams royally screwed up by chosing not to enter this race. She could have beaten either one, especially Loeffler, quite easily.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: One Term Floridian on October 27, 2020, 10:41:34 AM
GA Republicans have run pretty crappy campaigns this year and I hope they get their act together in the runoff election.

Loeffler and Collins are trying to out-Trump one another in a way that is seriously turning off moderate and even moderately conservative suburbanites. I hope whichever of the two emerges from the first round tones down their rhetoric for the runoff if they care at all about winning.

As for Perdue, he seems to be giving off the impression that he's a career bureaucrat with skeletons in the closest. His Kamala gaffe was also entirely unnecessary and gave the impression that he was mocking her name.

Loeffler will be stuck if she tries to pivot at this point. She has been so transparent about pandering to the far right in order to stave off her primary challenge, that no amount of "toning it down" can help her appeal to moderates.  She is honestly one of the most pathetic politicians I have ever seen in my life. She clearly will do and say anything to get elected. It's crazy how she started her term as traditional, low profile, conservative Senator and then immediately pivoted to employing racist dogwhistles and embracing unhinged conspiracies the minute Doug Collins entered the race. I get it. A politician needs to win in order to accomplish anything, and all politicians pander. But the fact that she did a damn near complete 180 and is now courting conspiracy theorists and racists by using god awful, divisive rhetoric is just a shame. Doug Collins is a bigot too, but at least he seems to genuinely believe what he says. Stacey Abrams royally screwed up by chosing not to enter this race. She could have beaten either one, especially Loeffler, quite easily.

Abrams clearly wants a rematch with Kemp in 2022. I am actually glad that she isn't running this year. I think a new name like Warnock would do better than her


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: 7,052,770 on October 27, 2020, 12:09:56 PM
GA Republicans have run pretty crappy campaigns this year and I hope they get their act together in the runoff election.

Loeffler and Collins are trying to out-Trump one another in a way that is seriously turning off moderate and even moderately conservative suburbanites. I hope whichever of the two emerges from the first round tones down their rhetoric for the runoff if they care at all about winning.

As for Perdue, he seems to be giving off the impression that he's a career bureaucrat with skeletons in the closest. His Kamala gaffe was also entirely unnecessary and gave the impression that he was mocking her name.

Loeffler will be stuck if she tries to pivot at this point. She has been so transparent about pandering to the far right in order to stave off her primary challenge, that no amount of "toning it down" can help her appeal to moderates.  She is honestly one of the most pathetic politicians I have ever seen in my life. She clearly will do and say anything to get elected. It's crazy how she started her term as traditional, low profile, conservative Senator and then immediately pivoted to employing racist dogwhistles and embracing unhinged conspiracies the minute Doug Collins entered the race. I get it. A politician needs to win in order to accomplish anything, and all politicians pander. But the fact that she did a damn near complete 180 and is now courting conspiracy theorists and racists by using god awful, divisive rhetoric is just a shame. Doug Collins is a bigot too, but at least he seems to genuinely believe what he says. Stacey Abrams royally screwed up by chosing not to enter this race. She could have beaten either one, especially Loeffler, quite easily.

QAnon Kelly has become by #1 least favorite Senator, and that's an accomplishment.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: TiltsAreUnderrated on October 27, 2020, 01:22:38 PM
With respect to runoffs - do only valid votes count towards setting the 50% threshold? There's still a write-in section despite no write-in candidates having filed for this race and I'd be interested to know if votes for Zell Miller/Elmo etc. were considered part of the total - if not, only Shane Hazel can cause a runoff.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on October 27, 2020, 02:14:18 PM
gave the impression that he was mocking her name.
Impression? That's exactly what he was doing lol


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: QAnonKelly on October 27, 2020, 03:53:03 PM
So if this goes to runoff, does Perdue technically have to be appointed for a few days because the runoff is after the new Senate term begins?

From what I've gathered, the seat will just be vacant for a few days.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on October 27, 2020, 05:05:13 PM
So if this goes to runoff, does Perdue technically have to be appointed for a few days because the runoff is after the new Senate term begins?

From what I've gathered, the seat will just be vacant for a few days.

Would he lose all his seniority even if he's re-elected? Sometimes people make an argument for re-electing because of seniority. It'd be funny if he couldn't use that argument.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Indy Texas on October 27, 2020, 05:29:56 PM
So if this goes to runoff, does Perdue technically have to be appointed for a few days because the runoff is after the new Senate term begins?

From what I've gathered, the seat will just be vacant for a few days.

Did that happen when Saxby Chambliss had his runoff in 2008?

Why would they schedule the runoff so late?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Nutmeg on October 27, 2020, 08:14:10 PM
So if this goes to runoff, does Perdue technically have to be appointed for a few days because the runoff is after the new Senate term begins?
From what I've gathered, the seat will just be vacant for a few days.
Did that happen when Saxby Chambliss had his runoff in 2008?

No, because that election was on December 2.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: 7,052,770 on October 27, 2020, 09:01:49 PM
Imagine if Georgia adopted instant runoff voting and we could know the results of both seats on Election Night. What a waste of time and money to string everyone along for 2 extra months.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: ProgressiveModerate on October 27, 2020, 09:08:25 PM
Imagine if Georgia adopted instant runoff voting and we could know the results of both seats on Election Night. What a waste of time and money to string everyone along for 2 extra months.

It would suck if we don't know control of the senate until January because of these 2 seats. At least in that case they would get a lot of media which would increase turnout, since Democrats tend to do very poorly in off elections in GA.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: TiltsAreUnderrated on October 27, 2020, 09:14:08 PM
Imagine if Georgia adopted instant runoff voting and we could know the results of both seats on Election Night. What a waste of time and money to string everyone along for 2 extra months.

That would usually mean higher turnout in the second round. There's no way the GAGOP would support that.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: 7,052,770 on October 27, 2020, 09:39:52 PM
Imagine if Georgia adopted instant runoff voting and we could know the results of both seats on Election Night. What a waste of time and money to string everyone along for 2 extra months.

That would usually mean higher turnout in the second round. There's no way the GAGOP would support that.

Too bad. I guess they'll have to convince people with strong arguments instead of manipulating turnout.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Stockdale for Veep on October 28, 2020, 01:09:07 AM
Am I wrong in assuming that runoffs and Jim Crow are related?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Lief 🗽 on October 28, 2020, 10:51:08 PM
Ossoff is going to win.



Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: ηєω ƒяσηтιєя on October 28, 2020, 11:30:26 PM
Am I wrong in assuming that runoffs and Jim Crow are related?
No, you aren't wrong.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: GALeftist on October 28, 2020, 11:52:49 PM
Am I wrong in assuming that runoffs and Jim Crow are related?

My dad told me when I was little that, in the deep south, if you notice anything weird in literally any sphere (government, infrastructure, sports, education, culture), the answer is always race. Hasn't been wrong yet.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Oryxslayer on October 29, 2020, 01:17:41 AM
Am I wrong in assuming that runoffs and Jim Crow are related?

My dad told me when I was little that, in the deep south, if you notice anything weird in literally any sphere (government, infrastructure, sports, education, culture), the answer is always race. Hasn't been wrong yet.

That said, some of it was put in place after the end of Jim Crow when the south had to bend the new rules to maintain white dixicratic rule, rather than relics of the era when the rules guaranteed racial segregation. 


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on October 29, 2020, 02:20:22 AM
If Ossoff wins he'd be the youngest senator elected in 40 years (Don Nickles was 32 when he won in 1980).


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: wbrocks67 on October 29, 2020, 06:09:57 AM
Objectively speaking, Ossoff blew Perdue away in that debate. Whew.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: ibagli on October 29, 2020, 06:13:35 AM
So if this goes to runoff, does Perdue technically have to be appointed for a few days because the runoff is after the new Senate term begins?

From what I've gathered, the seat will just be vacant for a few days.

Did that happen when Saxby Chambliss had his runoff in 2008?

Why would they schedule the runoff so late?

The Obama DOJ sued them for holding runoff elections too quickly for compliance with UOCAVA. They need 45 days for that, plus a couple weeks to certify the results (and keep the runoff from being right in the middle of Christmas).

Some runoff jurisdictions send ranked-choice ballots to overseas voters to eliminate the need for a long runoff campaign, but Georgia doesn't.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: riceowl on October 29, 2020, 08:20:51 AM
Ossoff has been at around 25% chance of winning on 538 always; in the last day it's shot up to the closest race in their tracker.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on October 29, 2020, 11:06:08 AM
I have to admit, I've been pretty cool to Ossoff all along--he always seemed more sizzle than steak to me.  But that debate moment...damn.  This guy has a big future ahead of him, regardless of how things turn out on Tuesday.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Gass3268 on October 29, 2020, 04:22:28 PM


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: wbrocks67 on October 29, 2020, 04:23:39 PM
LMAO Perdue did so bad in the last one that now hes bailing.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Farmlands on October 29, 2020, 04:33:39 PM
I have to admit, I've been pretty cool to Ossoff all along--he always seemed more sizzle than steak to me.  But that debate moment...damn.  This guy has a big future ahead of him, regardless of how things turn out on Tuesday.

I've been down on Ossoff since the 2017 election. Although, I now see some of it may have been undeserved, as there were some factors he couldn't really control, like the nationalization of the race. But after his great performance in the primary and this, I'm quite optimistic about his chances.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on October 29, 2020, 06:14:20 PM
I have to admit, I've been pretty cool to Ossoff all along--he always seemed more sizzle than steak to me.  But that debate moment...damn.  This guy has a big future ahead of him, regardless of how things turn out on Tuesday.

I've been down on Ossoff since the 2017 election. Although, I now see some of it may have been undeserved, as there were some factors he couldn't really control, like the nationalization of the race. But after his great performance in the primary and this, I'm quite optimistic about his chances.

My thoughts exactly. And it corresponds with the momentum that all major statewide Democratic candidates seem to be having.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: wbrocks67 on October 29, 2020, 06:15:22 PM
That clip that Ossoff shared with him absolutely destroying Perdue has 10 million views on Twitter.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Calthrina950 on October 29, 2020, 07:23:52 PM
I watched the debate clip on YouTube, and Ossoff certainly has learned from his unsuccessful 2017 congressional bid. He demolished Perdue, who was unable to rebut any of his attacks. If Perdue loses outright next week, that might compensate for a Democratic failure in Maine, Iowa, and/or Montana.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Dr. Arch on October 29, 2020, 07:29:41 PM
Senator Ossoff has such a beautiful ring to it.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: QAnonKelly on October 29, 2020, 08:52:56 PM
I'm watching this debate. If you take a shot every time Perdue says "radical socialist agenda" well RIP to your liver.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Calthrina950 on October 29, 2020, 08:58:45 PM
I'm watching this debate. If you take a shot every time Perdue says "radical socialist agenda" well RIP to your liver.

Republicans everywhere are using the words "radical" and "socialist", in some shape or form, this year. For example, Lauren Boebert, here in CO-03, has used the word "socialist" repeatedly in her ads. Republicans don't seem to understand that while this may gin up their supporters, it does not help them with swing voters, suburbanites, or independents. It's as if they're abandoning any pretense of moderation.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: charcuterie on October 29, 2020, 09:15:29 PM
I'm watching this debate. If you take a shot every time Perdue says "radical socialist agenda" well RIP to your liver.

Republicans everywhere are using the words "radical" and "socialist", in some shape or form, this year. For example, Lauren Boebert, here in CO-03, has used the word "socialist" repeatedly in her ads. Republicans don't seem to understand that while this may gin up their supporters, it does not help them with swing voters, suburbanites, or independents. It's as if they're abandoning any pretense of moderation.
The irony of the "socialist" drum they've been beating for years and years is that it has lost its effect in a way that even people who call themselves "socialists" or "social democrats" or
"democratic socialists" (not to equate the terms) could probably get away without being seriously hurt by them. After all, if they're going to call Joe Biden a socialist, basically anyone could be considered a socialist.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: walleye26 on October 29, 2020, 09:15:59 PM
LMAO Perdue did so bad in the last one that now hes bailing.
This is so amazing. What a wuss.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Heebie Jeebie on October 29, 2020, 09:34:43 PM


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Calthrina950 on October 29, 2020, 11:34:02 PM
I'm watching this debate. If you take a shot every time Perdue says "radical socialist agenda" well RIP to your liver.

Republicans everywhere are using the words "radical" and "socialist", in some shape or form, this year. For example, Lauren Boebert, here in CO-03, has used the word "socialist" repeatedly in her ads. Republicans don't seem to understand that while this may gin up their supporters, it does not help them with swing voters, suburbanites, or independents. It's as if they're abandoning any pretense of moderation.
The irony of the "socialist" drum they've been beating for years and years is that it has lost its effect in a way that even people who call themselves "socialists" or "social democrats" or
"democratic socialists" (not to equate the terms) could probably get away without being seriously hurt by them. After all, if they're going to call Joe Biden a socialist, basically anyone could be considered a socialist.

I certainly agree. Republicans have overused the "socialist" label, and it now falls flat with many voters. Younger voters, in particular, who have no memory of the Soviet Union or the Cold War, aren't swayed by it, and many have embraced the ideology of "democratic socialism." Just look at the support that people such as Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez have garnered among Millennials and Zoomers.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: LimoLiberal on October 29, 2020, 11:41:48 PM


This is sexy af


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Buzz on October 29, 2020, 11:43:28 PM
If Ossoff wins this I think he has a big future in the Democratic party.  Young, charisma, proved he can win in a GOP state, ect.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Pericles on October 30, 2020, 12:36:44 AM
If Ossoff wins this I think he has a big future in the Democratic party.  Young, charisma, proved he can win in a GOP state, ect.

Well yeah, except GA won't be a GOP state anymore if it flips this year.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: GeneralMacArthur on October 30, 2020, 01:42:13 AM
If Ossoff wins this I think he has a big future in the Democratic party.  Young, charisma, proved he can win in a GOP state, ect.

He has a big future no matter what.  He's our best candidate in Georgia and that will still be true down the line even if he loses this year.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: South Dakota Democrat on October 30, 2020, 02:40:38 AM
If Ossoff wins this I think he has a big future in the Democratic party.  Young, charisma, proved he can win in a GOP state, ect.

He has a big future no matter what.  He's our best candidate in Georgia and that will still be true down the line even if he loses this year.

Eh, losing 2 elections generally doesn't do you any favors.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: VAR on October 30, 2020, 04:34:34 AM
“Strong incumbent” Perdue ends up crumbling under pressure... who could have possibly seen this coming?


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Pericles on October 30, 2020, 05:30:20 AM
“Strong incumbent” Perdue ends up crumbling under pressure... who could have possibly seen this coming?

So many Republican candidates seem to be really weak this year, it's odd.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: wbrocks67 on October 30, 2020, 09:57:17 AM
“Strong incumbent” Perdue ends up crumbling under pressure... who could have possibly seen this coming?

So many Republican candidates seem to be really weak this year, it's odd.

I think Graham, Perdue, Ernst are showing is that it's really easy to be a "good" candidate when you're running a seat where you're not vulnerable. But when it IS vulnerable, and you actually have to fight, they're awful. Shows how bad of a candidate they actually were/are, and that they just get lucky by the environment


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on October 30, 2020, 10:37:57 AM
If Ossoff wins this I think he has a big future in the Democratic party.  Young, charisma, proved he can win in a GOP state, ect.

He has a big future no matter what.  He's our best candidate in Georgia and that will still be true down the line even if he loses this year.
That's a reach.

Stacey Abrams still exists.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on October 30, 2020, 12:54:31 PM
If Ossoff wins this I think he has a big future in the Democratic party.  Young, charisma, proved he can win in a GOP state, ect.

He has a big future no matter what.  He's our best candidate in Georgia and that will still be true down the line even if he loses this year.
That's a reach.

Stacey Abrams still exists.

Osoff is a far better candidate than Abrams at this point.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: TiltsAreUnderrated on October 30, 2020, 12:55:59 PM
If Ossoff wins this I think he has a big future in the Democratic party.  Young, charisma, proved he can win in a GOP state, ect.

He has a big future no matter what.  He's our best candidate in Georgia and that will still be true down the line even if he loses this year.
That's a reach.

Stacey Abrams still exists.

Osoff is a far better candidate than Abrams at this point.

No. Abrams boosted turnout within Democratic-leaning constituencies which is one of the ways candidate quality still matters in GA.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Blair on October 30, 2020, 04:04:34 PM
I'm more than happy to eat sh**t after thinking both Ossoff & Warnock were weak choices.

The lesson of this cycle has been that you're almost better as as non-office holder; our best choices have never held elected office (Kelly, Harrison, Ossoff, Warnock)


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: TiltsAreUnderrated on October 30, 2020, 06:34:37 PM
If Ossoff wins this I think he has a big future in the Democratic party.  Young, charisma, proved he can win in a GOP state, ect.

Well yeah, except GA won't be a GOP state anymore if it flips this year.

I think it has short-to-medium term "snap back" potential after the first or second Democratic win there, at least.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on October 30, 2020, 07:16:24 PM
If Ossoff wins this I think he has a big future in the Democratic party.  Young, charisma, proved he can win in a GOP state, ect.

He has a big future no matter what.  He's our best candidate in Georgia and that will still be true down the line even if he loses this year.
That's a reach.

Stacey Abrams still exists.

Osoff is a far better candidate than Abrams at this point.

No. Abrams boosted turnout within Democratic-leaning constituencies which is one of the ways candidate quality still matters in GA.

Abrams probably boosted African-American turnout at the margins...and then she went off the deep end with her Trumpian refusal to accept the election results after she lost and has been grifting ever since (well...that and publicly embarrassing herself by spamming news shows in sad attempt to convince people she wouldn’t be a Sarah Palin-level disaster if Biden picked her as VP).  At this point, she’s not just damaged goods, she’s a B- candidate at best.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: forsythvoter on October 30, 2020, 07:24:36 PM
Agree the GA Dem candidates have been pretty impressive this year. On top of that, Perdue (and Loeffler) have also run terrible campaigns where the central platform was hugging Trump as closely as they could. Makes no sense given that both Perdue and Loeffler were supposed to be candidates that could attract suburbanities who weren't in love with Trump.

I'm more than happy to eat sh**t after thinking both Ossoff & Warnock were weak choices.

The lesson of this cycle has been that you're almost better as as non-office holder; our best choices have never held elected office (Kelly, Harrison, Ossoff, Warnock)


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Calthrina950 on October 30, 2020, 11:07:37 PM
Agree the GA Dem candidates have been pretty impressive this year. On top of that, Perdue (and Loeffler) have also run terrible campaigns where the central platform was hugging Trump as closely as they could. Makes no sense given that both Perdue and Loeffler were supposed to be candidates that could attract suburbanities who weren't in love with Trump.

I'm more than happy to eat sh**t after thinking both Ossoff & Warnock were weak choices.

The lesson of this cycle has been that you're almost better as as non-office holder; our best choices have never held elected office (Kelly, Harrison, Ossoff, Warnock)


It astonishes me the extent to which Republican candidates of virtually all stripes have either tied themselves to Trump, or have been unable to disengage themselves from him. You see it, for example, in Susan Collins' refusal to explicitly disavow Trump and to reveal how she is voting in the upcoming election. But you see it also with the appeals by various Republican politicians, using the same language and the same kinds of attacks as employed by Trump. This is why I don't think his influence is going to disappear from the Party if he loses reelection.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: QAnonKelly on October 31, 2020, 12:11:52 PM
Agree the GA Dem candidates have been pretty impressive this year. On top of that, Perdue (and Loeffler) have also run terrible campaigns where the central platform was hugging Trump as closely as they could. Makes no sense given that both Perdue and Loeffler were supposed to be candidates that could attract suburbanities who weren't in love with Trump.

I'm more than happy to eat sh**t after thinking both Ossoff & Warnock were weak choices.

The lesson of this cycle has been that you're almost better as as non-office holder; our best choices have never held elected office (Kelly, Harrison, Ossoff, Warnock)


It astonishes me the extent to which Republican candidates of virtually all stripes have either tied themselves to Trump, or have been unable to disengage themselves from him. You see it, for example, in Susan Collins' refusal to explicitly disavow Trump and to reveal how she is voting in the upcoming election. But you see it also with the appeals by various Republican politicians, using the same language and the same kinds of attacks as employed by Trump. This is why I don't think his influence is going to disappear from the Party if he loses reelection.

John James is the only R nominee in a semi-competitive state that has been able to do it bc he’s not actually in the senate


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Calthrina950 on October 31, 2020, 12:26:14 PM
Agree the GA Dem candidates have been pretty impressive this year. On top of that, Perdue (and Loeffler) have also run terrible campaigns where the central platform was hugging Trump as closely as they could. Makes no sense given that both Perdue and Loeffler were supposed to be candidates that could attract suburbanities who weren't in love with Trump.

I'm more than happy to eat sh**t after thinking both Ossoff & Warnock were weak choices.

The lesson of this cycle has been that you're almost better as as non-office holder; our best choices have never held elected office (Kelly, Harrison, Ossoff, Warnock)


It astonishes me the extent to which Republican candidates of virtually all stripes have either tied themselves to Trump, or have been unable to disengage themselves from him. You see it, for example, in Susan Collins' refusal to explicitly disavow Trump and to reveal how she is voting in the upcoming election. But you see it also with the appeals by various Republican politicians, using the same language and the same kinds of attacks as employed by Trump. This is why I don't think his influence is going to disappear from the Party if he loses reelection.

John James is the only R nominee in a semi-competitive state that has been able to do it bc he’s not actually in the senate

That's correct, and it's part of why James will probably run ahead of Trump next week. I expect him to get the support of some suburbanite voters who will be backing Biden.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: lfromnj on October 31, 2020, 01:11:33 PM
Anyway looked at 2008 and 2018 exit polls for Georgia from CNN.

According to exit polls Obama tied among voters with a high school degree or less and also tied among some college voters and tying with post grad voters.


Meanwhile in 2018 Abrams tied among some college and community college voters while landsliding with postgrad and healthily winning bachelor's degree. Kemp only won high school and less voters but by a huge landslide.
These polls aren't the most accurate especially the older ones but still

I wonder which groups turnout for runoffs at the highest rate?(rhetorical)


https://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#val=GAP00p1
Quote
Vote by Education
Total
 Obama McCain Other/No Answer  
No High School (7%)
63%
37%
N/A
 
 
H.S. Graduate (21%)
45%
55%
N/A
 
 
Some College (28%)
51%
49%
N/A
 
 
College Graduate (32%)
43%
56%
1%
 
 
Postgraduate (11%)
49%
50%
1%
https://www.cnn.com/election/2018/exit-polls/georgia

Quote
HS or less
30%
38%   61%   1%
Some college
25%
50%   48%   2%
Associate's degree
12%
51%   48%   1%
Bachelor's degree
21%
54%   45%   1%
Advanced degree
12%
60%   39%   1%

Another factor in the 2008 GE is that black turnout was inflated by Obama, however now Georgia has trended D enough that Democrats can easily get past 2008 obama levels even without that high black turnout. Without Obama on the ballot black turnout collapsed especially for a runoff.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on October 31, 2020, 01:52:11 PM
If Ossoff wins this I think he has a big future in the Democratic party.  Young, charisma, proved he can win in a GOP state, ect.

He has a big future no matter what.  He's our best candidate in Georgia and that will still be true down the line even if he loses this year.
That's a reach.

Stacey Abrams still exists.

Osoff is a far better candidate than Abrams at this point.

No. Abrams boosted turnout within Democratic-leaning constituencies which is one of the ways candidate quality still matters in GA.

Abrams probably boosted African-American turnout at the margins...and then she went off the deep end with her Trumpian refusal to accept the election results after she lost and has been grifting ever since (well...that and publicly embarrassing herself by spamming news shows in sad attempt to convince people she wouldn’t be a Sarah Palin-level disaster if Biden picked her as VP).  At this point, she’s not just damaged goods, she’s a B- candidate at best.
Regular people don’t care about any of that. Abrams has more gravitas and would generate more energy than Ossoff.


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: wbrocks67 on October 31, 2020, 03:44:14 PM
If Ossoff wins this I think he has a big future in the Democratic party.  Young, charisma, proved he can win in a GOP state, ect.

He has a big future no matter what.  He's our best candidate in Georgia and that will still be true down the line even if he loses this year.
That's a reach.

Stacey Abrams still exists.

Osoff is a far better candidate than Abrams at this point.

No. Abrams boosted turnout within Democratic-leaning constituencies which is one of the ways candidate quality still matters in GA.

Abrams probably boosted African-American turnout at the margins...and then she went off the deep end with her Trumpian refusal to accept the election results after she lost and has been grifting ever since (well...that and publicly embarrassing herself by spamming news shows in sad attempt to convince people she wouldn’t be a Sarah Palin-level disaster if Biden picked her as VP).  At this point, she’s not just damaged goods, she’s a B- candidate at best.
Regular people don’t care about any of that. Abrams has more gravitas and would generate more energy than Ossoff.

I don't think that's true anymore. Ossoff has gotten a lot of momentum in the closing weeks and seems to be exciting people a lot...


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on October 31, 2020, 04:05:59 PM
If Ossoff wins this I think he has a big future in the Democratic party.  Young, charisma, proved he can win in a GOP state, ect.

He has a big future no matter what.  He's our best candidate in Georgia and that will still be true down the line even if he loses this year.
That's a reach.

Stacey Abrams still exists.

Osoff is a far better candidate than Abrams at this point.

No. Abrams boosted turnout within Democratic-leaning constituencies which is one of the ways candidate quality still matters in GA.

Abrams probably boosted African-American turnout at the margins...and then she went off the deep end with her Trumpian refusal to accept the election results after she lost and has been grifting ever since (well...that and publicly embarrassing herself by spamming news shows in sad attempt to convince people she wouldn’t be a Sarah Palin-level disaster if Biden picked her as VP).  At this point, she’s not just damaged goods, she’s a B- candidate at best.
Regular people don’t care about any of that. Abrams has more gravitas and would generate more energy than Ossoff.

1) Let’s be honest, Abrams has no gravitas whatsoever and was considered a lightweight gadfly in the VPstakes for good reason.  Fairly or unfairly, she comes off as some random whactivist with an overinflated opinion of themselves.  Fairly or unfairly, Osoff comes across as a smart, inspiring, thoughtful guy.

2) Normal people don’t like stuff like Abrams sore-loser whining about how unfair it was that Kemp got to be Governor just b/c he got the most votes.  Refusing to accept the results of an election you lost is a bad look whether you’re Donald Trump or Stacy Abrams.



Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Frenchrepublican on November 06, 2020, 04:50:32 PM


Maybe it’s time to stop calling these people « Conservative »


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on November 07, 2020, 02:04:10 AM


KING OF THE SUBURBS DAVID PERDUE


Title: Re: GA-SEN 2020 Class II Megathread (Perdue inc.)
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on November 07, 2020, 02:27:34 AM
Perdue is scared to debate Ossoff, it showed when he cancelled the last debate with Ossoff, he wants to hide from the truth about Covid.

Dems are gonna nationalize both races, the stimulus is riding on a Chuck Schumer Senate, McConnell is gonna force D's to filibuster the stimulus package due to fact he only wants 500 B not 2.2'T