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Title: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: Woody on January 29, 2019, 10:18:56 AM
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Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: redjohn on January 29, 2019, 10:23:16 AM
Of course not... There's zero justification or reason for going to war against Venezuela.


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: emailking on January 29, 2019, 10:45:37 AM
No. I am generally only in favor of going to war if we are attacked or to stop a mass genocide.


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: Yellowhammer on January 29, 2019, 10:50:04 AM
Absolutely not.


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: PragmaticPopulist on January 29, 2019, 10:51:41 AM
Big no.


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: Middle-aged Europe on January 29, 2019, 10:51:53 AM
Eh, no.


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: HillGoose on January 29, 2019, 10:54:11 AM
hell yeah brah, those people need to be liberated


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: Coastal Elitist on January 29, 2019, 11:12:07 AM
Yes we should prepare a land invasion


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: Stranger in a strange land on January 29, 2019, 11:13:18 AM
I really wish someone would poll this, because I doubt more than 20% of the population does. It isn't 2002 anymore, and I doubt most people would have supported intervention in Venezuela even then.


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: Storr on January 29, 2019, 11:14:24 AM
Using US diplomatic and economic resources to support freedom and democracy in Venezuela? Yes. A war against Venezuela? No.


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: Crumpets on January 29, 2019, 11:34:19 AM
Lolno. And I'm supposedly hawkish.


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: TPIG on January 29, 2019, 11:39:42 AM
No, but we should pursue continued non-military support of the opposition in Venezuela.


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: Badger on January 29, 2019, 11:40:43 AM
Using US diplomatic and economic resources to support freedom and democracy in Venezuela? Yes. A war against Venezuela? No.


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: GM Team Member and Senator WB on January 29, 2019, 11:41:12 AM
yeah that's gonna be a no from me dawg.


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: Bismarck on January 29, 2019, 11:42:37 AM
No (sane). If Brazil or Colombia wanted to do it I would have no problem with us giving them logistical and intelligence aid though.


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: Illiniwek on January 29, 2019, 11:50:04 AM
Oh good. A war is just what we need right now.


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: YE on January 29, 2019, 12:36:19 PM
No (not HillGoose).


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: Statilius the Epicurean on January 29, 2019, 12:53:49 PM
I support a war in favour of Venezuela to liberate the people of Colombia from US imperialism.


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas on January 29, 2019, 12:55:18 PM
You couldn't find a better way to rally the public behind Maduro.


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on January 29, 2019, 01:18:05 PM
Using US diplomatic and economic resources to support freedom and democracy in Venezuela? Yes. A war against Venezuela? No.


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: TDAS04 on January 29, 2019, 01:19:01 PM
No.


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: ElectionsGuy on January 29, 2019, 01:22:04 PM


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: Cold War Liberal on January 29, 2019, 01:37:54 PM


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on January 29, 2019, 01:38:36 PM
HELL NO!


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: Hindsight was 2020 on January 29, 2019, 01:42:25 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-K7fCQlUhj0


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: Green Line on January 29, 2019, 01:45:28 PM
We should be ready to arm the Opposition if they come under attack.


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: President Johnson on January 29, 2019, 02:49:08 PM
It should only be taken as a last ressort. But if Maduro starts killing is own people and it gets out of control, some military operation may be appropriate. Depends on the situation. I'm neither in favor of talking into a war, but not hesitant to use force when necessary.


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on January 29, 2019, 02:52:31 PM
     I oppose American military intervention here, as I do in pretty much all cases.


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: Progressive Pessimist on January 29, 2019, 08:25:17 PM
     I oppose American military intervention here, as I do in pretty much all cases.


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: Torrain on January 29, 2019, 08:47:59 PM
No, but we should pursue continued non-military support of the opposition in Venezuela.
I’m all for this. Supporting the widespread protests, and pushing for immediate elections appears to be the only non-military route to a peaceful transition. It’s still a tossup whether it will be successful though.


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: Green Line on January 29, 2019, 08:52:39 PM
No, but we should pursue continued non-military support of the opposition in Venezuela.
I’m all for this. Supporting the widespread protests, and pushing for immediate elections appears to be the only non-military route to a peaceful transition. It’s still a tossup whether it will be successful though.

They've just had elections - they were rigged.  Why would new elections be any different?


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: Fuzzy Stands With His Friend, Chairman Sanchez on January 29, 2019, 08:55:06 PM


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: darklordoftech on January 29, 2019, 09:16:38 PM
No because my last name isn't Cheney, Rumsfeld, or Wolfowitz.


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: TrumpBritt24 on January 29, 2019, 10:02:13 PM
No.


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: Fubart Solman on January 29, 2019, 11:20:23 PM
Using US diplomatic and economic resources to support freedom and democracy in Venezuela? Yes. A war against Venezuela? No.


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: No War, but the War on Christmas on January 29, 2019, 11:48:49 PM
No, and if you do, send your own ing children.


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on January 30, 2019, 03:06:43 AM
Those who favor military action won't consider it to be a war against Venezuela but a war in support of the Venezuelan people.


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: Karpatsky on January 30, 2019, 08:43:11 AM


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: American2020 on January 30, 2019, 08:51:09 AM
It should only be taken as a last ressort. But if Maduro starts killing is own people and it gets out of control, some military operation may be appropriate. Depends on the situation. I'm neither in favor of talking into a war, but not hesitant to use force when necessary.


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on January 30, 2019, 08:54:02 AM
No (not a deranged neocon)


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: dead0man on January 30, 2019, 09:45:56 AM
It should only be taken as a last ressort. But if Maduro starts killing is own people and it gets out of control, some military operation may be appropriate. Depends on the situation. I'm neither in favor of talking into a war, but not hesitant to use force when necessary.
this is the only logical position


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin on January 30, 2019, 10:09:37 AM
John Quincy Adams's

Warning Against the Search for "Monsters to Destroy," 1821


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And now, friends and countrymen, if the wise and learned philosophers of the elder world, the first observers of nutation and aberration, the discoverers of maddening ether and invisible planets, the inventors of Congreve rockets and Shrapnel shells, should find their hearts disposed to enquire what has America done for the benefit of mankind? Let our answer be this: America, with the same voice which spoke herself into existence as a nation, proclaimed to mankind the inextinguishable rights of human nature, and the only lawful foundations of government. America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among them, has invariably, though often fruitlessly, held forth to them the hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity. She has uniformly spoken among them, though often to heedless and often to disdainful ears, the language of equal liberty, of equal justice, and of equal rights. She has, in the lapse of nearly half a century, without a single exception, respected the independence of other nations while asserting and maintaining her own. She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when conflict has been for principles to which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart. She has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right. Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example. She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force.... She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit....

[America's] glory is not dominion, but liberty. Her march is the march of the mind. She has a spear and a shield: but the motto upon her shield is, Freedom, Independence, Peace. This has been her Declaration: this has been, as far as her necessary intercourse with the rest of mankind would permit, her practice.


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: Arturo Belano on January 30, 2019, 01:59:53 PM


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on January 30, 2019, 05:05:47 PM
I support a war in favour of Venezuela to liberate the people of Colombia from US imperialism.


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: OctoCube on January 30, 2019, 05:05:58 PM
Absolutely Not, but I strongly approve of the economic and political maneuvers used by the
United States in order to pressure Maduro's government.


Title: Re: Do you support a war against Venezuela?
Post by: Big Abraham on January 30, 2019, 05:51:59 PM
I oppose all American intervention here, including by means of sanctions, political manoeuvres, pressure to regime change, or whatever else the interventionists here somehow think is justified or necessary