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General Politics => Individual Politics => Topic started by: Dope and Diamonds on February 03, 2019, 05:27:04 pm



Title: Which Taiwan option would be preferable?
Post by: Dope and Diamonds on February 03, 2019, 05:27:04 pm
I think Taiwan should definitely become a state of the US if it becomes necessary to defend them from Chinese imperialism.


Title: Re: Which Taiwan option would be preferable?
Post by: Beet on February 03, 2019, 05:34:25 pm
This poll is basically "Do you want WWIII?"


Title: Re: Which Taiwan option would be preferable?
Post by: Xing on February 03, 2019, 10:40:00 pm
Both would be abysmal.


Title: Re: Which Taiwan option would be preferable?
Post by: Hugo Award nominee on February 03, 2019, 10:42:28 pm
Both would be abysmal.


Title: Re: Which Taiwan option would be preferable?
Post by: ○∙◄☻tπ[╪AV┼cV└ on February 03, 2019, 10:44:43 pm
Both would be abysmal.


Title: Re: Which Taiwan option would be preferable?
Post by: Let Dogs Survive on February 03, 2019, 11:58:42 pm
Both would be abysmal.


Title: Re: Which Taiwan option would be preferable?
Post by: Governor Peanut on February 04, 2019, 12:32:12 am
Both would be abysmal.


Title: Re: Which Taiwan option would be preferable?
Post by: АndriуValeriovich on February 04, 2019, 02:15:20 am
Both would be abysmal.


Title: Re: Which Taiwan option would be preferable?
Post by: tack50 on February 04, 2019, 08:14:58 am
Both would be abysmal.


Title: Re: Which Taiwan option would be preferable?
Post by: PSOL on February 04, 2019, 08:22:07 am
The only option is the non-coerced will of the people, in this case an independent and democratic Taiwan.


Title: Re: Which Taiwan option would be preferable?
Post by: 🅰 🦀 @k 🎂 on February 04, 2019, 10:22:11 am
The only option is the non-coerced will of the people, in this case an independent and democratic Taiwan.

The will of the people is probably the status quo, more than anything. People care about more pressing issues than the vanities of the Greens and Blues.


Title: Re: Which Taiwan option would be preferable?
Post by: Ninja0428 on February 04, 2019, 10:24:24 am
I don't support it but I think it shouldn't be hard to determine that US statehood would be the better option. Ideally Taiwan should be fully independent (including the ability to join the UN).


Title: Re: Which Taiwan option would be preferable?
Post by: Ye Olde Europe on February 04, 2019, 10:25:16 am
Option 1 is horrible, option 2 doesn't make any sense.

So, I guess 2 if forced to choose. :D


Title: Re: Which Taiwan option would be preferable?
Post by: brucejoel99 on February 04, 2019, 10:32:42 am
Both would be abysmal.


Title: Re: Which Taiwan option would be preferable?
Post by: DaWN on February 04, 2019, 10:34:18 am
Both would be abysmal.


Title: Re: Which Taiwan option would be preferable?
Post by: Orser67 on February 04, 2019, 11:28:09 am
My long-term hope is that the U.S. "trades" Taiwan for North Korea. By that I mean that the U.S. announces that it will no longer protect Taiwan (Taiwan would then ideally become a semi-autonomous part of China), and in return, China cuts off all trade with North Korea. Hopefully, the North Korean regime would semi-peacefully collapse, the U.S. could withdraw the ~20,000 soldiers stationed in South Korea, and China and the U.S. would be much less likely to get involved in WW3.


Title: Re: Which Taiwan option would be preferable?
Post by: Ninja0428 on February 04, 2019, 12:36:29 pm
My long-term hope is that the U.S. "trades" Taiwan for North Korea. By that I mean that the U.S. announces that it will no longer protect Taiwan (Taiwan would then ideally become a semi-autonomous part of China), and in return, China cuts off all trade with North Korea. Hopefully, the North Korean regime would semi-peacefully collapse, the U.S. could withdraw the ~20,000 soldiers stationed in South Korea, and China and the U.S. would be much less likely to get involved in WW3.
Using 24 million taiwanese people as nothing more than a bargaining chip? That sounds lovely.


Title: Re: Which Taiwan option would be preferable?
Post by: Stranger in a strange land on February 04, 2019, 12:42:01 pm
My long-term hope is that the U.S. "trades" Taiwan for North Korea. By that I mean that the U.S. announces that it will no longer protect Taiwan (Taiwan would then ideally become a semi-autonomous part of China), and in return, China cuts off all trade with North Korea. Hopefully, the North Korean regime would semi-peacefully collapse, the U.S. could withdraw the ~20,000 soldiers stationed in South Korea, and China and the U.S. would be much less likely to get involved in WW3.
Using 24 million taiwanese people as nothing more than a bargaining chip? That sounds lovely.
The status quo is preferable to both this and either of the options in the poll.


Title: Re: Which Taiwan option would be preferable?
Post by: Tulsi "Both sides" Gabbard on February 04, 2019, 12:42:28 pm
Both would be abysmal.


Title: Re: Which Taiwan option would be preferable?
Post by: New Frontier on February 04, 2019, 02:26:45 pm
Both would be abysmal.


Title: Re: Which Taiwan option would be preferable?
Post by: SunriseAroundTheWorld on February 04, 2019, 03:20:05 pm
My long-term hope is that the U.S. "trades" Taiwan for North Korea. By that I mean that the U.S. announces that it will no longer protect Taiwan (Taiwan would then ideally become a semi-autonomous part of China), and in return, China cuts off all trade with North Korea. Hopefully, the North Korean regime would semi-peacefully collapse, the U.S. could withdraw the ~20,000 soldiers stationed in South Korea, and China and the U.S. would be much less likely to get involved in WW3.


What an atrocious and repugnant idea.


Title: Re: Which Taiwan option would be preferable?
Post by: Bismarck on February 04, 2019, 08:41:49 pm
Option 1 is horrible, option 2 doesn't make any sense.

So, I guess 2 if forced to choose. :D


Obviously this.


Title: Re: Which Taiwan option would be preferable?
Post by: Big Abraham on February 04, 2019, 08:46:33 pm
I think Taiwan should definitely become a state of the US if it becomes necessary to defend them from Chinese imperialism.

So we defend Taiwan from Chinese imperialism with American imperialism? Also, what claim does the U.S. have to Taiwan?

I'd prefer neither option, but if I had to choose, I'd obviously go with the first. At least Taiwan has historically been part of China.


Title: Re: Which Taiwan option would be preferable?
Post by: Dope and Diamonds on February 04, 2019, 09:17:03 pm
I think Taiwan should definitely become a state of the US if it becomes necessary to defend them from Chinese imperialism.

So we defend Taiwan from Chinese imperialism with American imperialism? Also, what claim does the U.S. have to Taiwan?

I'd prefer neither option, but if I had to choose, I'd obviously go with the first. At least Taiwan has historically been part of China.


There was a poll (It's an old one, 2003 I believe) that showed if these two options were put to a popular referendum, becoming a US state would win by a 2 to 1 margin or something of that sort. I imagine it's still similar.

It's not "imperialism" if they want to become a state lol.


Title: Re: Which Taiwan option would be preferable?
Post by: thumb21 on February 05, 2019, 06:58:16 am
Both would be abysmal.


Title: Re: Which Taiwan option would be preferable?
Post by: Ninja0428 on February 05, 2019, 09:52:46 am
I think Taiwan should definitely become a state of the US if it becomes necessary to defend them from Chinese imperialism.

So we defend Taiwan from Chinese imperialism with American imperialism? Also, what claim does the U.S. have to Taiwan?

I'd prefer neither option, but if I had to choose, I'd obviously go with the first. At least Taiwan has historically been part of China.

You are quite naive to argue with HillGoose.


Title: Re: Which Taiwan option would be preferable?
Post by: OctoCube on February 05, 2019, 11:29:18 am
I hate option 1, but option 2 might be the best change we've had in a while to get WWIII cooking.

Option 1 > WWIII


Title: Re: Which Taiwan option would be preferable?
Post by: TDAS04 on February 05, 2019, 11:31:00 am
My long-term hope is that the U.S. "trades" Taiwan for North Korea. By that I mean that the U.S. announces that it will no longer protect Taiwan (Taiwan would then ideally become a semi-autonomous part of China), and in return, China cuts off all trade with North Korea. Hopefully, the North Korean regime would semi-peacefully collapse, the U.S. could withdraw the ~20,000 soldiers stationed in South Korea, and China and the U.S. would be much less likely to get involved in WW3.


What an atrocious and repugnant idea.



Title: Re: Which Taiwan option would be preferable?
Post by: Orser67 on February 05, 2019, 05:52:11 pm
My long-term hope is that the U.S. "trades" Taiwan for North Korea. By that I mean that the U.S. announces that it will no longer protect Taiwan (Taiwan would then ideally become a semi-autonomous part of China), and in return, China cuts off all trade with North Korea. Hopefully, the North Korean regime would semi-peacefully collapse, the U.S. could withdraw the ~20,000 soldiers stationed in South Korea, and China and the U.S. would be much less likely to get involved in WW3.
Using 24 million taiwanese people as nothing more than a bargaining chip? That sounds lovely.

The U.S. is overextended against the only other superpower in the world; China cares a lot more about Taiwan then we do. Ideally, the PRC would suddenly become a democracy, or just decide to leave Taiwan alone. But since both of those things are incredibly unlikely, I'd rather the U.S. stop propping up a non-UN member state than risk World War 3.

Also, by gaining China's cooperation, we could play a major role in bringing down one of the most oppressive and dangerous governments in the world in a country (North Korea) of 25 million.


Title: Re: Which Taiwan option would be preferable?
Post by: Lakigigar on February 09, 2019, 08:16:25 pm
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Taiwan is absorbed into the PRC

The first one, but no fan of it. Taiwan being absorded by USA is more horrible (and imperalistic) and basically shows you how distorted our western POV can be at times.

I'm fine with Taiwan being absorbed by a truly democratic PRC (which is sadly not a realistic option right now) or Taiwan becoming an independent state. The best option is probably the latter one (Taiwan being recognized as an independent nation by UN, all countries in the world (incl. China)).


Title: Re: Which Taiwan option would be preferable?
Post by: Del Tachi on February 09, 2019, 10:12:22 pm
Both would be abysmal.

Yes, but Option 2 is still preferred.


Title: Re: Which Taiwan option would be preferable?
Post by: Swing State Ohio on February 09, 2019, 10:58:53 pm
Best case scenario is that Taiwan willingly, without any coercion, joins the PRC and puts the past behind it. Because if Taiwan does that it implies that the PRC is better and operates better than it does now.

Worst case scenario is that the PRC conquers Taiwan.

The US state of Taiwan is not realistic.