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Title: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: RI on February 14, 2019, 01:32:09 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/14/nyregion/amazon-hq2-queens.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: lfromnj on February 14, 2019, 01:45:42 PM
Good for the country overall and sends a message but bad for NYC.

Its a prisoners dilemma situation.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: PSOL on February 14, 2019, 01:48:56 PM
Good for the country overall and sends a message but bad for NYC.

Its a prisoners dilemma situation.
I don’t know about you, but every renter in NYC just sighed for relief just now.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Pyro on February 14, 2019, 01:49:14 PM
Hell yes. Best Valentine's Day ever.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Oryxslayer on February 14, 2019, 01:50:02 PM
It never really made sense why they cut HQ2 in 2 with part in NYV and part in VA.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: GP270watch on February 14, 2019, 01:50:31 PM
 Good this was always an unfair situation. Amazon needs NYC more than NYC needs Amazon. I hope this sentiment spreads.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: junior chįmp on February 14, 2019, 01:51:28 PM
Good...go away ya freeloaders.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: lfromnj on February 14, 2019, 01:53:52 PM
Good for the country overall and sends a message but bad for NYC.

Its a prisoners dilemma situation.
I don’t know about you, but every renter in NYC just sighed for relief just now.

IMO the net benefit is greater than the cons for NYC overall.
However the country loses more overall.



Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Indy Texas on February 14, 2019, 01:54:15 PM
Maybe we can finally get to a place where companies just locate headquarters/operations where it makes the most sense logistically instead of having these ludicrous bidding wars to see how many billions of dollars of money and tax exemptions cities and states can throw at large, profitable companies.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas on February 14, 2019, 02:11:29 PM
You get what you vote for. Bezos isn't in the position where he has to negotiate again after the deal is signed.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on February 14, 2019, 02:21:41 PM
VICTORY!


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 14, 2019, 02:30:35 PM
Good, welfare for large corporations is terrible.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Beet on February 14, 2019, 02:32:56 PM


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Technocracy Timmy on February 14, 2019, 02:42:16 PM
Good for the country overall and sends a message but bad for NYC.

Its a prisoners dilemma situation.
I don’t know about you, but every renter in NYC just sighed for relief just now.

Renters should just own property to get equity.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on February 14, 2019, 02:54:02 PM
Good for the country overall and sends a message but bad for NYC.

Its a prisoners dilemma situation.
I don’t know about you, but every renter in NYC just sighed for relief just now.

Renters should just own property to get equity.

Not that I entirely disagree (back in the day I thought Dubya's "ownership society" rhetoric was marginally less idiotic than most other budding leftists whom I knew thought it was, although the policies that that rhetoric was supporting obviously turned out to be disasters), but this strikes me as a great example of an unhelpful "should" without reference to an "is" (or, more specifically, a "how to").


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on February 14, 2019, 03:07:01 PM
Good for the country overall and sends a message but bad for NYC.

Its a prisoners dilemma situation.
I don’t know about you, but every renter in NYC just sighed for relief just now.

Renters should just own property to get equity.

Not that I entirely disagree (back in the day I thought Dubya's "ownership society" rhetoric was marginally less idiotic than most other budding leftists whom I knew thought it was, although the policies that that rhetoric was supporting obviously turned out to be disasters), but this strikes me as a great example of an unhelpful "should" without reference to an "is" (or, more specifically, a "how to").

Encouraging homeownership sounds like a good idea (and, as someone who has firsthand experience of  being saddled with obscenely high rent and is hoping to get rid of it as soon as possible, I'm certainly sympathetic to it as a social ideal), but in practice all the policies that tend in that direction end up exacerbating inequality and driving up homelessness. Countries that do a better job housing people almost universally do so with policies geared toward renters.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: ηєω ƒяσηтιєя on February 14, 2019, 03:25:45 PM
Good this was always an unfair situation. Amazon needs NYC more than NYC needs Amazon. I hope this sentiment spreads.



Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Famous Mortimer on February 14, 2019, 03:39:46 PM
I think that tax incentives offered by the government were ridiculous but it's not good for Queens that Amazon left.

Queens definitely could have used the jobs.

I don't buy the liberal straw man picture of what was going to happen where Amazon was going to import thousands of white men to price everyone out.

They were almost certainly going to hire locals and pay them more than most local businesses could have been expected to.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: UncleSam on February 14, 2019, 04:47:44 PM
Hurray for the people of NYC having 25k fewer good jobs rofl

AOC and socialism in a nutshell. Tax breaks are not money you can turn around and spend rofl, they’re just decreased revenue in the short term as an incentive for paying your community a ton of money in the form of infrastructure investments and good salaries.

It did seem weird to me that there was a split in HQ2 in the first place though.

Feel badly for the folks in the NYC area who were denied those jobs but you get what you vote for. Cuomo and De Blaiso did their best on this one.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: GP270watch on February 14, 2019, 05:03:36 PM
Hurray for the people of NYC having 25k fewer good jobs rofl

AOC and socialism in a nutshell. Tax breaks are not money you can turn around and spend rofl, they’re just decreased revenue in the short term as an incentive for paying your community a ton of money in the form of infrastructure investments and good salaries.

It did seem weird to me that there was a split in HQ2 in the first place though.

Feel badly for the folks in the NYC area who were denied those jobs but you get what you vote for. Cuomo and De Blaiso did their best on this one.

 What infrastructure investments? If the state or local municipality needs to pay for those too.
Look at the Foxconn boondoggle in Wisconsin. It was good NYC told Amazon to take a hike. Amazon will come crawling back or wait until they have a more friendly administration.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: courts on February 14, 2019, 06:22:12 PM
Good for the country overall and sends a message but bad for NYC.

Its a prisoners dilemma situation.
I don’t know about you, but every renter in NYC just sighed for relief just now.
to be honest that was my first reaction to this


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Bismarck on February 14, 2019, 06:46:06 PM
Wish they would move to Indy or Chicagoland but it looks like that’s not in the cards. Amazing that anyone thinks a large company not creating tens of thousands of jobs is crazy.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: GP270watch on February 14, 2019, 07:13:43 PM
Wish they would move to Indy or Chicagoland but it looks like that’s not in the cards. Amazing that anyone thinks a large company not creating tens of thousands of jobs is crazy.

 Nobody is against large companies creating jobs, what they're against is giving them billions to do so. Do you also support public taxpayers buying stadiums for Billionaire football owners?



Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: RI on February 14, 2019, 07:16:59 PM
Do you also support public taxpayers buying stadiums for Billionaire football owners?

Yes, as preserving major sports teams strengthens regional identity and solidarity.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Thatkat04 on February 14, 2019, 07:19:16 PM
And Long Island City breathes a sight of relief.

Amazon should really turn its eyes towards Newark. But unlike NYC, Amazon might be able to do some good there.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on February 14, 2019, 07:46:47 PM
At $120,000 in tax breaks per job, it's a good thing this isn't going thru.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Mister Mets on February 14, 2019, 08:23:26 PM
Has any freshman member of Congress screwed up as badly in recent memory as AOC here?


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on February 14, 2019, 10:40:44 PM
Do you also support public taxpayers buying stadiums for Billionaire football owners?

Yes, as preserving major sports teams strengthens regional identity and solidarity.

giving money to billionaires = yay community building :) :) :)
giving money to poor people = eww socialism :( :( :(


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas on February 14, 2019, 11:11:05 PM
Has any freshman member of Congress screwed up as badly in recent memory as AOC here?

While I doubt her base thinks she screwed up - after all, socialism can only be instituted if capitalism is defeated - I think she's genuinely vulnerable to a deep-pockets primary challenge now. She pissed off a lot of people in both the public and private ector.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Big Abraham on February 14, 2019, 11:12:59 PM
Has any freshman member of Congress screwed up as badly in recent memory as AOC here?

While I doubt her base thinks she screwed up - after all, socialism can only be instituted if capitalism is defeated - I think she's genuinely vulnerable to a deep-pockets primary challenge now. She pissed off a lot of people in both the public and private ector.

You're right. However, neither Cortez nor her base are actually anti-capitalist


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on February 14, 2019, 11:16:53 PM
Yes, I'm sure AOC's 77% Clinton, 82% non-white, $58k-in-NYC-money-median-income district will be very receptive to a Bloombergist-Bezosist primary challenger.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on February 15, 2019, 01:18:04 AM
Yes, I'm sure AOC's 77% Clinton, 82% non-white, $58k-in-NYC-money-median-income district will be very receptive to a Bloombergist-Bezosist primary challenger.

A poll showed the Amazon HQ2 project was more popular among blacks and hispanics than among whites in NYC.  Though how strongly held that support was, I don't know.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: HillGoose on February 15, 2019, 01:20:26 AM
it's a good thing they pulled out or they might have been stuck with NYC for 18 years!


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Insomnian on February 15, 2019, 11:57:04 AM


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: 7,052,770 on February 15, 2019, 01:15:53 PM
They should have always put it in a poor, forgotten state anyway.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: GM Team Member and Deputy PPT WB on February 15, 2019, 01:53:50 PM
you know, if the plan didn't include 1.5 billion in tax breaks and 325 million in cash grants  (https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/11/13/amazon-hq2-breaking-down-the-tax-breaks/)as
IncENtiVES
i'd be slightly less opposed to the plan, though the rent issues are also quite large.



Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Insomnian on February 15, 2019, 02:02:53 PM
They should have always put it in a poor, forgotten state anyway.

I'm reminded me of that internet poll asking where they wanted the next season of Jersey Shore and people en masse vote. Alaska came in second. Congo came in second.

As such, I'm a proponent of setting the next season of Bezos Shore in Kinshasa.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: lfromnj on February 15, 2019, 05:02:37 PM
Yes, I'm sure AOC's 77% Clinton, 82% non-white, $58k-in-NYC-money-median-income district will be very receptive to a Bloombergist-Bezosist primary challenger.

A poll showed the Amazon HQ2 project was more popular among blacks and hispanics than among whites in NYC.  Though how strongly held that support was, I don't know.

Ironically the people let in by Amazon HQ2 would have been more supportive of AOC.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: James Monroe on February 15, 2019, 11:33:38 PM
Shameful that con artists like Bernie pushed Amazon that would've brought jobs back to the region.






Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: GoTfan on February 15, 2019, 11:39:44 PM
Shameful that con artists like Bernie pushed Amazon that would've brought jobs back to the region.






You will find any way you can to blame absolutely everything on Sanders, won't you. Hell, I'm marginally impressed you haven't blamed him for global warming.

Also, there seems to be some element of racism by saying that only white gentrifiers support Sanders  . . . when that's false.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Beet on February 15, 2019, 11:48:45 PM
Yes, I'm sure AOC's 77% Clinton, 82% non-white, $58k-in-NYC-money-median-income district will be very receptive to a Bloombergist-Bezosist primary challenger.

A poll showed the Amazon HQ2 project was more popular among blacks and hispanics than among whites in NYC.  Though how strongly held that support was, I don't know.

Ironically the people let in by Amazon HQ2 would have been more supportive of AOC.

Good thing if they won't be wasted on NYC then.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS on February 15, 2019, 11:58:31 PM
Corporations that demand tax subsidies need to be squeezed out of all possible options for locating a corporate headquarter until they agree to drop said demand.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: James Monroe on February 16, 2019, 12:05:18 AM
Shameful that con artists like Bernie pushed Amazon that would've brought jobs back to the region.






You will find any way you can to blame absolutely everything on Sanders, won't you. Hell, I'm marginally impressed you haven't blamed him for global warming.

Also, there seems to be some element of racism by saying that only white gentrifiers support Sanders  . . . when that's false.

Not my fault, the far left crowd has been demonizing business for years. None of the brocialists care to learn the nuances about small business or the occasional big business that treats labor well, no they're all haters of the working person. The left has a sheep mentality with anything that could balance a fair deal between labor and business, many just might as well go ahead and call for abolishment of the banks. If these white leftists read about the positive economic developments these business to POC communities they would hopefully be converted to understanding economics.

In the primary Bernie was backed by the Hipsters who have ruined over formaily minority-dominated areas by transferring them into white upper class paradises. No room for the working black person.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: junior chįmp on February 16, 2019, 12:05:23 AM



Just lol


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on February 16, 2019, 12:25:02 AM
Shameful that con artists like Bernie pushed Amazon that would've brought jobs back to the region.




how many layers of irony is this?

"Those darn evil pro-corporate white gentrifiers and their evil anti-corporate, anti-white gentrification politics!"


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 16, 2019, 12:35:40 AM
Shameful that con artists like Bernie pushed Amazon that would've brought jobs back to the region.






You will find any way you can to blame absolutely everything on Sanders, won't you. Hell, I'm marginally impressed you haven't blamed him for global warming.

Also, there seems to be some element of racism by saying that only white gentrifiers support Sanders  . . . when that's false.

Not my fault, the far left crowd has been demonizing business for years. None of the brocialists care to learn the nuances about small business or the occasional big business that treats labor well, no they're all haters of the working person. The left has a sheep mentality with anything that could balance a fair deal between labor and business, many just might as well go ahead and call for abolishment of the banks. If these white leftists read about the positive economic developments these business to POC communities they would hopefully be converted to understanding economics.

In the primary Bernie was backed by the Hipsters who have ruined over formaily minority-dominated areas by transferring them into white upper class paradises. No room for the working black person.

Oh yes, we must give billions of dollars in subsidies to a large corporation with huge profits that pays zero taxes or else we "demonize" businesses.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: James Monroe on February 16, 2019, 12:43:31 AM


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 16, 2019, 12:46:49 AM


You know Amazon took their marbles and went home rather than have the slightest chance they'd have to give a hair.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Beet on February 16, 2019, 12:52:08 AM
The bottom line is NYC doesn't need Amazon. The area the supposed HQ2? 3? I lost track? was supposed to be is already rapidly gentrifying anyway and Amazon will still be hiring in NYC.

It's shameful how Amazon made a ton of smaller American cities like Rochester, NY grovel at their feet only to pick the nation's capital and largest city which could have been predicted from day 1 without all the circus. The whole search (which is not being reopened btw) was a sham and just an insult to like 90% of America.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Mad Deadly Worldwide Communist Gangster Computer God on February 16, 2019, 01:42:56 AM

You will find any way you can to blame absolutely everything on Sanders, won't you. Hell, I'm marginally impressed you haven't blamed him for global warming.

Also, there seems to be some element of racism by saying that only white gentrifiers support Sanders  . . . when that's false.

Not my fault, the far left crowd has been demonizing business for years. None of the brocialists care to learn the nuances about small business or the occasional big business that treats labor well, no they're all haters of the working person. The left has a sheep mentality with anything that could balance a fair deal between labor and business, many just might as well go ahead and call for abolishment of the banks. If these white leftists read about the positive economic developments these business to POC communities they would hopefully be converted to understanding economics.

In the primary Bernie was backed by the Hipsters who have ruined over formaily minority-dominated areas by transferring them into white upper class paradises. No room for the working black person.

Are you trolling here?  Amazon is aggressively anti-union and treats its workers like dirt.

This deal would have been $3 billion for Amazon to do to New York what Foxconn did to Wisconsin.  Google managed to come into NYC last December without controversy.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: James Monroe on February 16, 2019, 01:52:39 AM

You will find any way you can to blame absolutely everything on Sanders, won't you. Hell, I'm marginally impressed you haven't blamed him for global warming.

Also, there seems to be some element of racism by saying that only white gentrifiers support Sanders  . . . when that's false.

Not my fault, the far left crowd has been demonizing business for years. None of the brocialists care to learn the nuances about small business or the occasional big business that treats labor well, no they're all haters of the working person. The left has a sheep mentality with anything that could balance a fair deal between labor and business, many just might as well go ahead and call for abolishment of the banks. If these white leftists read about the positive economic developments these business to POC communities they would hopefully be converted to understanding economics.

In the primary Bernie was backed by the Hipsters who have ruined over formaily minority-dominated areas by transferring them into white upper class paradises. No room for the working black person.

Are you trolling here?  Amazon is aggressively anti-union and treats its workers like dirt.

This deal would have been $3 billion for Amazon to do to New York what Foxconn did to Wisconsin.  Google managed to come into NYC last December without controversy.

I'm not necessarily defending Amazon policies but the far-left hostile to any form of business, no matter if the owners are friendly to labor.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Adam Griffin on February 16, 2019, 01:55:44 AM
Presumably the jobs that would have came to NYC mimic most Amazon jobs available up and down their employment ladder: pay well below the industry average, s[inks]tty working conditions and a veritable stranglehold on the local community due to the political and economic power it wields. For most communities - especially considering the amount of free taxpayer money that is diverted as a result - this wouldn't be a good deal in the long-term (let alone for a world-class city like NYC that has no trouble attracting both business and talent).

Sooner or later, people are going to have to realize that when it comes to economic planning, attracting employers who offer bad working conditions, low pay and partial employment (as just a few examples) is often a worse deal than getting nothing at all, with the goal inevitably being a discussion about the reality of labor in the 21st century (namely, that there aren't nor ever will be again enough sustainable jobs that pay a living wage; the entire notion of "work" as we know it must die to pave the way for a new future).


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Big Abraham on February 16, 2019, 02:54:08 AM
Not my fault, the far left crowd has been demonizing business for years. None of the brocialists care to learn the nuances about small business or the occasional big business that treats labor well, no they're all haters of the working person. The left has a sheep mentality with anything that could balance a fair deal between labor and business, many just might as well go ahead and call for abolishment of the banks. If these white leftists read about the positive economic developments these business to POC communities they would hopefully be converted to understanding economics.

In the primary Bernie was backed by the Hipsters who have ruined over formaily minority-dominated areas by transferring them into white upper class paradises. No room for the working black person.

Spoken like a true identity politics liberal


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: GoTfan on February 16, 2019, 06:14:05 AM

You will find any way you can to blame absolutely everything on Sanders, won't you. Hell, I'm marginally impressed you haven't blamed him for global warming.

Also, there seems to be some element of racism by saying that only white gentrifiers support Sanders  . . . when that's false.

Not my fault, the far left crowd has been demonizing business for years. None of the brocialists care to learn the nuances about small business or the occasional big business that treats labor well, no they're all haters of the working person. The left has a sheep mentality with anything that could balance a fair deal between labor and business, many just might as well go ahead and call for abolishment of the banks. If these white leftists read about the positive economic developments these business to POC communities they would hopefully be converted to understanding economics.

In the primary Bernie was backed by the Hipsters who have ruined over formaily minority-dominated areas by transferring them into white upper class paradises. No room for the working black person.

Are you trolling here?  Amazon is aggressively anti-union and treats its workers like dirt.

This deal would have been $3 billion for Amazon to do to New York what Foxconn did to Wisconsin.  Google managed to come into NYC last December without controversy.

I'm not necessarily defending Amazon policies but the far-left hostile to any form of business, no matter if the owners are friendly to labor.

Okay, now you're just flat-out denying you said anything.

Amazon treats its workers poorly and is anti-union. Any shred of credibility you had went out the window when you said that Amazon was treating its workers well.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Virginiá on February 16, 2019, 09:10:16 AM
Not my fault, the far left crowd has been demonizing business for years. None of the brocialists care to learn the nuances about small business or the occasional big business that treats labor well, no they're all haters of the working person. The left has a sheep mentality with anything that could balance a fair deal between labor and business, many just might as well go ahead and call for abolishment of the banks. If these white leftists read about the positive economic developments these business to POC communities they would hopefully be converted to understanding economics.

In the primary Bernie was backed by the Hipsters who have ruined over formaily minority-dominated areas by transferring them into white upper class paradises. No room for the working black person.

Speaking of big businesses treating workers well, Amazon is not one of them. They are actually one of the crappier tech companies to work at in terms of general treatment of employees:

www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/technology/inside-amazon-wrestling-big-ideas-in-a-bruising-workplace.html

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At Amazon, workers are encouraged to tear apart one another’s ideas in meetings, toil long and late (emails arrive past midnight, followed by text messages asking why they were not answered), and held to standards that the company boasts are “unreasonably high.” The internal phone directory instructs colleagues on how to send secret feedback to one another’s bosses. Employees say it is frequently used to sabotage others. (The tool offers sample texts, including this: “I felt concerned about his inflexibility and openly complaining about minor tasks.”)

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Some veterans interviewed said they were protected from pressures by nurturing bosses or worked in relatively slow divisions. But many others said the culture stoked their willingness to erode work-life boundaries, castigate themselves for shortcomings (being “vocally self-critical” is included in the description of the leadership principles) and try to impress a company that can often feel like an insatiable taskmaster. Even many Amazonians who have worked on Wall Street and at start-ups say the workloads at the new South Lake Union campus can be extreme: marathon conference calls on Easter Sunday and Thanksgiving, criticism from bosses for spotty Internet access on vacation, and hours spent working at home most nights or weekends.

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Amazon employees are held accountable for a staggering array of metrics, a process that unfolds in what can be anxiety-provoking sessions called business reviews, held weekly or monthly among various teams. A day or two before the meetings, employees receive printouts, sometimes up to 50 or 60 pages long, several workers said. At the reviews, employees are cold-called and pop-quizzed on any one of those thousands of numbers.

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Each year, the internal competition culminates at an extended semi-open tournament called an Organization Level Review, where managers debate subordinates’ rankings, assigning and reassigning names to boxes in a matrix projected on the wall. In recent years, other large companies, including Microsoft, General Electric and Accenture Consulting, have dropped the practice — often called stack ranking, or “rank and yank” — in part because it can force managers to get rid of valuable talent just to meet quotas.

The review meeting starts with a discussion of the lower-level employees, whose performance is debated in front of higher-level managers. As the hours pass, successive rounds of managers leave the room, knowing that those who remain will determine their fates.

Preparing is like getting ready for a court case, many supervisors say: To avoid losing good members of their teams — which could spell doom — they must come armed with paper trails to defend the wrongfully accused and incriminate members of competing groups. Or they adopt a strategy of choosing sacrificial lambs to protect more essential players. “You learn how to diplomatically throw people under the bus,” said a marketer who spent six years in the retail division. “It’s a horrible feeling.”

And let's not forget the Amazon warehouses where instead of installing air conditioning, they just had ambulances parked outside to take people away when they passed out from heatstroke.

People like Bezos ramble about their Hard Work Ethos but in reality what they are aiming for is a near-robotic slave workforce that can be thrown away the second they fall behind or whenever someone even marginally better is found. A country full of Amazon's is the stuff dystopian fiction novels are made of.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: James Monroe on February 16, 2019, 10:11:40 AM
See, this issue is going to be incredibly divisive in the primary, as many potential primary voters are uneasy with the anti-business rhetoric that is coming from the emerging leftist wing. Amazon has a poor history of treating workers right and used loopholes to their advantage, that I will not argue with what's been perceived. What is troubling is once big business skepticism starts to cool down the left will be blaming small business who make up the financial backbone of every major city and small town in this very nation. Read Kara Calavera thread on how the activists sabatoge the will of elected officials and voters by ignoring their thoughts on the headquarters.




Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: James Monroe on February 16, 2019, 12:17:08 PM
See, this issue is going to be incredibly divisive in the primary, as many potential primary voters are uneasy with the anti-business rhetoric that is coming from the emerging leftist wing. Amazon has a poor history of treating workers right and used loopholes to their advantage, that I will not argue with what's been perceived. What is troubling is once big business skepticism starts to cool down the left will be blaming small business who make up the financial backbone of every major city and small town in this very nation. Read Kara Calavera thread on how the activists sabatoge the will of elected officials and voters by ignoring their thoughts on the headquarters.






For more coverage on the divide in the party read this article that articulates the chaos in New York




Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Badger on February 16, 2019, 03:04:18 PM
Shameful that con artists like Bernie pushed Amazon that would've brought jobs back to the region.






You will find any way you can to blame absolutely everything on Sanders, won't you. Hell, I'm marginally impressed you haven't blamed him for global warming.

Also, there seems to be some element of racism by saying that only white gentrifiers support Sanders  . . . when that's false.

Not my fault, the far left crowd has been demonizing business for years. None of the brocialists care to learn the nuances about small business or the occasional big business that treats labor well, no they're all haters of the working person. The left has a sheep mentality with anything that could balance a fair deal between labor and business, many just might as well go ahead and call for abolishment of the banks. If these white leftists read about the positive economic developments these business to POC communities they would hopefully be converted to understanding economics.

In the primary Bernie was backed by the Hipsters who have ruined over formaily minority-dominated areas by transferring them into white upper class paradises. No room for the working black person.

Cool story bro!


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: DINGO Joe on February 16, 2019, 03:54:44 PM
Amazon will pay $0 in taxes on $11,200,000,000 in profit for 2018


https://finance.yahoo.com/news/amazon-taxes-zero-180337770.html




Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on February 16, 2019, 04:07:29 PM
     As someone who has to deal with Big Tech making the Bay Area unaffordable, I can see why New Yorkers are breathing a sigh of relief right about now.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on February 16, 2019, 04:42:45 PM
The gall of the billionaire class is directly proportional by the grovelling cowardice of its sycophants, and Monroe's posts perfectly illustrate that. As long as there will be people who are devoted to licking Bezos' boots, of course he will keep acting like he's owed billions and billions in free public money for his great munificence.

Luckily, the people of New York are waking up, and others will surely follow suit.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on February 16, 2019, 04:50:38 PM
Amazon will pay $0 in taxes on $11,200,000,000 in profit for 2018

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/amazon-taxes-zero-180337770.html

As that article points out, some of the reason for zero U.S. taxes this year is probably the increased accelerated depreciation under the TCJA and that'll be a temporary effect. Even without the TCJA, the way our tax code is structured, growing companies will pay less tax because the stuff they acquire to enable their growth will provide additional depreciation expenses. As a general rule, MACRS overstates depreciation.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: GoTfan on February 16, 2019, 05:18:30 PM
See, this issue is going to be incredibly divisive in the primary, as many potential primary voters are uneasy with the anti-business rhetoric that is coming from the emerging leftist wing. Amazon has a poor history of treating workers right and used loopholes to their advantage, that I will not argue with what's been perceived. What is troubling is once big business skepticism starts to cool down the left will be blaming small business who make up the financial backbone of every major city and small town in this very nation. Read Kara Calavera thread on how the activists sabatoge the will of elected officials and voters by ignoring their thoughts on the headquarters.




You just hate everything that Sanders supporters like. If a company pays no taxes, hates unions and treats workers poorly, then what incentive do you have to like them?

I think you're suffering from Sanders Derangement Sydrome.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on February 16, 2019, 06:12:37 PM
Good for NYC.  Amazon treats its workers horribly and New Yorkers will be better off without rent being driven up even higher.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on February 16, 2019, 07:23:07 PM
https://www.theonion.com/wait-mr-bezos-you-forgot-your-tax-subsidy-says-an-1832633757

^ Basically Monroe in this thread


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Sumner 1868 on February 16, 2019, 07:24:10 PM
No same person wants an Amazon in their community. How do I know? They are rapidly destroying mine and I live over an hour outside Seattle.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Bismarck on February 17, 2019, 11:25:17 PM
No same person wants an Amazon in their community. How do I know? They are rapidly destroying mine and I live over an hour outside Seattle.

So once you kick all those evil corporations out where are people going to work? I mean im sure that a growing economy causes disruption and adjustment to the local area but would you rather be in some rural county in West Virginia with no new companies coming in?


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on February 17, 2019, 11:31:27 PM
No same person wants an Amazon in their community. How do I know? They are rapidly destroying mine and I live over an hour outside Seattle.

So once you kick all those evil corporations out where are people going to work? I mean im sure that a growing economy causes disruption and adjustment to the local area but would you rather be in some rural county in West Virginia with no new companies coming in?

Not all corporations are evil.  For that matter if Amazon hadn't tried for such extreme tax breaks, I think they'd have been welcomed in NYC.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Big Abraham on February 17, 2019, 11:36:17 PM
No same person wants an Amazon in their community. How do I know? They are rapidly destroying mine and I live over an hour outside Seattle.

So once you kick all those evil corporations out where are people going to work? I mean im sure that a growing economy causes disruption and adjustment to the local area but would you rather be in some rural county in West Virginia with no new companies coming in?

Not all corporations are evil.  For that matter if Amazon hadn't tried for such extreme tax breaks, I think they'd have been welcomed in NYC.

Maybe. All New Yorkers I remember speaking to on the issue (I lived there when the transfer was announced) complained about it almost exclusively on the basis of increased traffic congestion and rising housing costs.


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on February 18, 2019, 12:57:11 AM
So once you kick all those evil corporations out where are people going to work?

ayy lmao


Title: Re: Amazon pulls out of NYC
Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on February 18, 2019, 01:57:51 AM
I remember when to "disrupt" something was understood to mean breaking it or deviating it from a natural or desirable course. I'm not sure when exactly people started using it in a mindlessly positive sense instead of a mindlessly negative one but I sort of wish I hadn't noticed it, on account of cultural hegemony.