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If this was any other poster I probably would have thought this was a lame joke, but given some of his past comments here, I'm unfortunately inclined to believe he's being genuine.

He is being genuine. Subsequent comments in fantasyland and people doing some digging have pretty much confirmed it. He’s on stormfront.

Evil. HP obviously.

Looking at this thread: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=320613.msg6807330#msg6807330 - and his comments therein, as well as comments from other threads that are shown in that thread, I think it is indeed pretty clear he's exactly what he seems to be. now I'm not an expert on the rules here or anything, but shouldn't action of some kind be taken when someone posts blatantly and openly racist comments and admits to posting on a well known neo-Nazi website?

You have to remember that banning racists, neo-Nazis, rape apologists, and the like would make Atlas a liberal echo chamber ::)

Strong new contender for the worst human being on the forum. Should be memed and trolled into ragequitting Calthrina-style if we can't just ban him.

White supremacists are automatically massive HPs, no exceptions.

This * 100. In no small amount because muon is such a spineless enabler defender of free speech.

Who among us can say they’ve never got drunk one night and accidentally made 10,000 posts on a white nationalist site over an eight year period?  I’m sure we’ve all done it!

Who are the two people who voted FF?

Show yourselves.

"White nationalism" is politically correct BS. call them what they really are. Nazis.

Sanchez is surely one

Wow, I just had a website (his blog?) blocked by my workplace for the first time ever with the reason (Racism/Hate). Truly terrifying parts of the Interwebs.

I don't understand his game.  Apparently, some people already knew he was posting on Stormfront before today's revelations dropped.  This was a loosely-kept secret until early this morning, when he deleted his post in the confessions thread and sent me a PM telling me how 'sorry' he is and that he hopes I don't hate him.  Does he regret outing himself as a Stormtrooper to the forum?  Why did he go back and forth so many times before coming out with it?

Then again, maybe it should've been obvious a month or two ago, when he registered with David Duke as his Atlasia persona.


Oh yeah, there was also this doozy:

A froward and unable worm.

Some of us brought this up in the cave last year.

That he's a Stormfronter (assuming this is true) means I'll not endorse him for anything or invite him to social events (if I knew who he was).

I must say that I have a tough time understanding how he's violated the ToS.  His real viewpoints may be repulsive, but has he violated the ToS? 

I would think (and hope) that his blatantly racist comments would be a violation of the terms of service, but as I said earlier, I'm not super familiar with them.

Unfortunately the mods deleted even the screenshots of them , which could be used as evidence why he should be banned

Both points here are well taken.  I'm a Free Speech Guy, but I do agree that there are Safety Issues that are very real if this forum becomes infiltrated by Stormfronters.  I'm certainly not endorsing Neo-Nazis, and if you've got 10K posts on Stormfront, that's a statement of yourself that you've made yourself without help.

That being said, has Matthew27 broken rules here, or harmed anyone here?  I'm sure he's offended many here, and I've seen some of his comments, so I can't blame folks for taking offense at some of his stuff.  But is this place less safe because he's allowed to post here?  

I hope somebody saved them, we can't let him live these comments down.

I'm surprised he willing volunteered this information in the first place.

In retrospect, he didn't really hide this too much but divulging that he actually participates on Stormfront to the tune of 10k posts is really just wtf

Seriously?! Geez.

The offensive posts are still archived in the reported posts section and everyone who took screenshots still has them if they are needed. Insofar as any of this is needed for moderation decisions, it's available to us.

Swing and a miss.
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Try harder next time.

This is good to know.

There are multiple socialists/communists on this site, so why ban some random fascist?

He's most likely not a Mississippi Republican. When he first joined his username was Trumpsucks! and he had I believe an Oregon avatar. He was also a left winger in Atlasia. Honestly I think he's trolling both sides.

Because none of them have been shown to be Stalinists/Maoists while Matthew has been exposed to being a Neo-Nazi(Stormfroters are Neo-Nazis)

As I stated above, I’m pretty sure a stormfront posting history from him has been confirmed?

Okay, but do we know he's genuinely a Neo-Nazi? As far as I can tell, all we know is that he's posted a lot on Stormfront. That doesn't necessarily prove that he adheres to Nazi ideology. For example, I've posted on 4Chan before, but only to try to convince them that their theories about human evolution are pseudoscientific (of course, it didn't work).

Regardless, where is the value in banning someone from a platform just because you don't agree with them? Just block him if you don't want to read his comments.

Yes there is evidence, but the mods deleted the screenshots of those posts.

Even Free Republic bans posters from StormFront: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1163943/posts?page=1

Very disappointed that this dude is apparently a Nazi. I sympathized with him because he struck me as somebody fighting some mental illness and internal demons and I try to give those people the benefit of the doubt when they act out on this board. Too bad he seems, sadly like with many people, to channel this unproductively into hatred and closed-mindedness and not into something more useful or transformative.

I hope you find the courage to change your ways. It's never too late to grow into a better, more compassionate person.

So? Sorry, I really don't understand what's to be gained from banning someone if you want them to change their mind.

Dude are you serious right now... nobody who isn't a Neo-Nazi would make OVER 10,000 posts on the internet's most infamous white supremacist forum. he is clearly exactly what he appears to be, as unfortunate as that is.

So why do you want to ban him?

Because he's a white supremacist who has made several vile and unquestionably racist posts?

My point is that there's no reason to trust that he's being truthful considering he's had different personas within a short period of time on Atlasia. He could of just gone on stormfront and seen a username with matthew in it and claimed it was him for attention.

On the other hand, that kind of trolling and spreading of misinformation is a hallmark of internet Nazis.

He actually changed his Atlas display name to "MattwhiteAmerica" (his Stormfront user name) in September 2018. So no, it's not just a spur-the-moment change to fool people.

So block him and stop being childish.

Ok. Didn't see that. Thanks for the info. His sudden change from the extreme left to the extreme right is bizarre though. He's also said that he's autistic so not sure if that's played a role.

I want to ban Matthew as its a private website and they have the right to ban him(although if this was IRL he shouldn't be punished) but it is hillarious that YOU can' defend him from the action of being banned without being called racist.

Amazing that posters are really going out of their way sticking their necks out for white supremacists. Unfortunately not at all surprised though.

(Sorry for the repost, had to delete this originally to screencap proof that Gov Story was my 1989th post.)

Anyone who posts on StormFront (let alone a five-figure post count) is beyond help.

Just your garden variety republican.

Very succinctly put.

I have to say that I disagree. My ideological past isn't exactly secret on here. I used to post on Stormfront (although, certainly nowhere near 10,000 posts and only for a brief period of time), so I certainly don't believe that simply because someone posts on Stormfront then they're beyond redemption. There are even former Aryan Nation, KKK, and other assorted White Supremacists who were quite committed to their ideology, including tattoos, rituals, and demonstrations of violence, who've been redeemed.

Whether or not Matthew27 can be is an interesting question and, without knowing him better, is impossible for anyone to truly answer. So, while I'm not in favor of him being immediately banned, I do believe he should be closely monitored and subject to more rigorous scrutiny by the moderators than ordinary posters.

So you used to be a fascist and now you're a socialist? Figures. Reminds me of that Onion article entitled "Former Cult Members Find New Life With Jesus Christ."

Oh my God, and it's so amazing that the ACLU defends the freedom of speech of NAZIS. The ACLU is confirmed as a racist organization.

The only person I called a racist was the dude with 10,000 posts on Stormfront, so I don't even know what you're trying to strawman my dude.

So, you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground? Figures. People who depend upon simplistic intellectual and moral structures tend to be drawn to ideologies such as Libertarianism, then pretend like they're superior to others in their simplicity.

I'm quite certain that you don't have the slightest clue what the actual teachings of Marxism are, what philosophic foundations it is founded upon, or what motivates most people to support it. I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but I'm confident that, in this situation, that won't occur.

I mean, I've taken multiple Marx-related classes in the political philosophy department at my university, and I've read (and written about) Kapital, the Manifesto, German Ideology, the Jewish Question, and many of his other writings pretty extensively. I may not know everything about Marx, but I know enough to understand that anyone who still adheres to his philosophy in the 21st century is an ignoramus who is probably drawn to extreme political systems due to a severe lack of satisfaction with his own life decisions. I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but I too am confident that, in this situation, that won't occur either.

Is there something about having a yellow avatar that melts your brain?

You should read what he posted in the 'Political Positions' thread (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=18844.msg6808839#msg6808839). He really believes he has everything figured out lol.

10k post count on Stormfront is a deal breaker; the forum doesn't exist to coddle people with personality disorders or appeals to 'bOtH sIdEz' enabling centrism. This is not THE INTERNET and too many people think the online inertia of the past few years and the 'market place of ideas' bull that demands snowflake closet door busting white supremacists get a platform is how everwhere should be.

This is a publicly searchable forum. You're all here, all of us at discretion.

People need to realize that whites aren't the bad guys and shouldn't feel ashame of who we're.
We ended slavery
we developed human rights for all
we have helped billions of people

There's nothing to be ashamed of and I hope whites wake up realizing this one day.

I am sick of the hatred white people face in our colleges and media. It needs to stop! Ban me but do think about some things as you're doing so.

So you're so sure of your self that you're going to tell millions of people that look at real data that we're wrong. Maybe you and some other people should consider some things going on around you as they may well end up resulting in a safer world for us all.

Liberals really aint the powerhouse of knowledge they were in the old days that is for sure...A movement that has turned into a I hate whites and I hate men. Idiocy I'd say and that is exactly were that movement is directing us towards.

Keep on digging this ditch for yourself; you might make me almost regret defending you.

If you guys even know the names of our newer members you're already losing.

At the risk of sounding as though I care about your opinion, that's a thread for posting your political beliefs, and so I posted my political beliefs. I don't see why that would come across as any more "having it all figured out" than any other post in those 50+ pages.

He's not beyond redemption, no. But as of right now, he personally isn't worthy of a more favorable opinion in the forum at large. Only those who once held this ideology and have since repudiated it are really deserving of praise for coming to the side of rationality.
He has to take the first steps.

Racist comments are a violation of ToS.

tldr

Massive HP


He's a neo-Nazi

Posts, or has posted? Asking for a friend.

It's not even necessarily the posts on Stormfront - it goes much further than that. It's that this is a leader in the American white nationalist movement, two steps from being Richard Spencer, with profiles on him from multiple major media outlets and that he pals around with very violent people who are in-and-out of prison. This only has the potential to be bad for David Leip.

If he should be banned, it should be primarily because of how much of a freaking dumba*s he is for telling people.

Stop the hedging - it's painful to watch when you won't pass either standard

Yikes, I'm always conflicted whether it's "better" for people to openly state horrible beliefs so that we know where they actually stand, or if it's worse, since it normalizes these sorts of beliefs. Either way, HP, obviously.


Doing it once just to be able to brag about having done it doesn't count.

If John Adams can defend the British soldiers from the Boston Massacre, I feel like we should get a pass for defending some anonymous internet wrongthinker's right to free speech. You guys have every right to push for a permaban, just as we have a right to defend the free use of this platform. It's not up to either of us to decide, but you need to stop dismissing the other perspective offhand like this. It's extremely childish.

You seem to have a lot of trouble interpreting my posts for someone who I would like to think is (probably?) in the smarter half of this forum. My post very clearly indicates that I consider the poster in the same class as the one who ought to be banned - not hating on him for opposing a ban (which he doesn't). When the poster tried to change the narrative in rationalizing support for a ban using "intelligence" rather than "white supremacy" ("ideas") as a reason for a ban, I warned that neither standard would prevent them from coming for him. (More a joke than actual support for another ban fight)

This is not a DEFENSE OF FREE SPEECH issue (nor is it an "anonymous internet person" but that's beside the point). In fact, my post takes no issue with a wrongthinker posting here, and I encourage those poorly thought out ideas to keep being posted behind my post blocker so I can avoid most of them. I don't really support free speech on this forum, but so long as they don't lead to an infestation of repugnant subhumans or an added news media focus and so long as I have space on my block list, I'm not really interested in a debate over free speech.

You had this same problem yesterday when you seemed to think I was authentically writing in support of genocide as a form of population control rather than critiquing population control as a benefit/reason for pursuing a policy and attacked me for supporting immigration(!)

Comparing onself to John Adams? Talk about a delusion of grandeur.

I intended it to count when I wrote my comment. Giving StormFront clicks for the sake of street cred is also very bad.

     Ridiculous HP. I sort of suspect that his recent posts might be trolling rather than a genuine expression of hate, but when it is this extreme that does very little to mitigate the circumstances.

Anyway, despite the accusation, I voted HP.

Not sure why he was dumb enough to think posting about it was a good idea, or why continuing to post about it was going to help him any. The dude clearly has some issues, and it's best he's banned at this point.

The point of my post was that the two are incomparable, because one is clearly much more controversial than the other.

Defending a StormFront racist is definitely way, way worse than defending the Boston Massacre soldiers, but I'm not sure that makes your point.

Also bonkers in a different way to use John Adams in an analogy about free speech.

Perhaps you just missed it so benefit of the doubt, but the other has miraculously survived controversy surrounding anti-Semitism, followed that up by making completely outrageous statements that are louder than a dog whistle and continues to provide some of the worst analysis because a sample size of one defines his truth.

Even if he's just trolling and this is a persona he's putting on, it isn't funny. Huge HP.

I unfortunately think he was trolling when he claimed to be a left-winger, but is dead serious about his views now. I don't know of any troll who would be dedicated enough to make over 10,000 posts on a white supremacist forum over the span of years just as an act. the only way I could see him being a troll is if he's lying about that Stormfront account being him, but it's been all but confirmed that it is him, since he had his account name from there as his display name on here back in Sept. 2018, as Virginia noted. the only reasonable conclusion is that he's exactly what he appears to be, an individual with thoroughly despicable white supremacist views.

What's objectionable about the post in question isn't its form, it's its content.

     The Stormfront poster in question has been quoted in mainstream news articles stretching back to 2012, so this is someone who was definitely known at the time that Matthew27 pulled that stunt. I don't think him having connected himself to this person in September 2018 necessarily refutes the idea that it is a lie, but ultimately it is an unimportant question. Either way he should be banned.

Best post here on the subject.  Complete with a reasonable solution.

Well, you're free to make that argument, but that's not what was being said.

I don't really agree that it's not what was being said. The combination of extreme, idiosyncratic views (to be clear, I don't think having extreme, idiosyncratic views is necessarily a bad thing in and of itself, but let's call your views what they are) and open lack of respect for democracy strikes me as pontificating and arrogant. I'd even go so far as to say that it's an inherently authoritarian approach to politics, even if it's in the service of libertarian policy preferences.

In any case, you're not the subject of this thread and attacks on you or defenses of you don't contribute to the discussion of what's to be done about matthew27, so let's leave it here if you don't mind.

Wait there's a literal white supremacist on Atlas? Wtf

It makes you wonder how many other posters we have who share the same views but are more secretive about them.

I like you.

Most of the Atlas Experience makes me wonder how may posters we have here who secretly hate America, want it to fail, and work for it to fail because their real allegiance is to the enemies of America.

I can wonder about secret agendas as well as you can.  The people here who hate America are smart enough to overtly deny it, but they give up the ghost with their posts.

Shut up.

Putting white supremacy and whatever dumb sh**t you think constitutes as "hating America" on the same moral plane is vile even for you.

Muh very fine people on both sides

Womp womp.

0/10

It's not like he was just a troll lol. It's been confirmed that he has nearly 10K posts on Stormfront and he's been profiled and mentioned by several media outlets in articles related to white nationalism.

Definitely a mega HP.

Yikes, how did you find out? I’m really not familiar with all the details in this case, I was only going by his posting history on this forum (which to me indicates that he’s at the very least a bad troll).

Anyway, like I said in another thread, he should be banned irrespective of whether he’s just a trash-tier troll or a genuine white supremacist. I rarely endorse bans, but this is an open-and-shut case in my eyes.

The dumbass openly admitted it, unprompted, in the 'Make a Confession' thread.

Sorry, but I won't shut up.  Indeed, telling me to shut up is a sign that I've successfully disrupted the Echo Chamber, and that I'm on the right track.

People act here as if, somehow, being "racist" (and some people have incredibly self-serving definitions as to what this is) is the only thing that makes you an HP.

Everyone people here don't like get compared to Hitler here.  (Well, not all, but quite a few.)  But we don't seem to compare someone to Stalin or Mao.  These people killed millions to, not in the name of racism, but in the name of politics and cultural conformity.  

In February, 1957, one month after I was born, Mao Zedong said this:


That when I was one (1) month old.  Later on, when I was 9, and just beginning to watch news on TV, I would see reports of Mao's Cultural Revolution, where Mao was imprisoning and killing his enemies.  That statement he made was a statement to lure his enemies into the open so he could arrest them and imprison or kill them.

Then, there's Stalin, the world leader who is responsible for more deaths than Hitler. (https://historyofrussia.org/stalin-killed-how-many-people/)  To be "fair" (for lack of a better word; neither Hitler nor Stalin deserve fairness), Stalin had far more time to work at this than Hitler did.  (Hitler's reign of terror lasted 12 years, while Stalin ruled the Soviet Union for 39 years.)  He WAS our WWII ally, an alliance that led to the end of the Good War and the beginning of the Terrible Peace, and his atrocities were whitewashed over, for the sake of holding our collective vomit down while defeating the more present foes (Germany and Japan); that should not obscure what he was, what he did, and why he did it.

Lenin, himself, said:  "The goal of socialism is communism."  And Stalin's massacre of the Kulaks was part of reaching that goal by collectivizing agriculture.  It wasn't "racist".  Indeed, there is amazingly little to show Stalin as being "racist", or even anti-Semitic (in a nation with a long history of anti-Semitism and Pogroms).  Of course, Stalin did engage in a 13 year anti-religious campaign (during the time of his bloody purges and oppression of the Kulaks); that was aimed in part at Jews, but in another part at the Russian Orthodox Church.  During the period of 1927-40, the number of Russian Orthodox Churches decreased from almost 29,600 to under 500 (you read that right).  That's in the Russian Republic alone, and did not include the other republics of the Soviet union.  And while that may give the anti-religious left on Atlas cause to cheer, I suppose that even they understand the ominousness of such a development of history.

People SHOULD be alarmed at people who make a career of exacerbating ethnic and racial hatreds.  It is something that is un-Christian and un-American.  Romans 12:13 says:  "“If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.”  That's the key to living a Christian life; the understanding that doing so is not dependent on one participating in rituals, observing dietary laws, etc.  Keeping Faith with Christ requires no one else to go along.  Biblical Christianity has NEVER demanded that persons reject people of other races and ethnicities and live within one's own group; indeed, Christ commissioned his Disciples to "Go ye, therefore, into all the world and preach this Gospel to every creature . . ."  Scripture has, over and over, said:  "Love one another as I have loved you." (John 13:34)  "Love your enemies; bless those who curse you." (Matthew 5:44)  "Beloved, let us love one another.  For Love is of God, and everyone that loveth is born of God and knoweth God.  He that loveth not knoweth not God, for God is Love."  (1 John 4:7-8)  One can go on and on about this.  And Matthew27, if he claims to be a Christian, at a minimum needs to repent and allow for correction, for his stated views place him in a pretty bad place, Biblically.  

But in saying this, what correction is needed for the Communist that hates America and wishes it ill?  The Communist whose secret agenda is religious persecution of Americans, and of religious people all over?  The Nazis and Fascists made appeals to working classes, acknowledging their sufferings and promising redress, but the Bolsheviks did also; Marx, himself, said that religion was "the opium of the people".  The Apostle James said:  "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."  (James 1:27)  Matthew27 has that choice, but, quite frankly, so do you and I.  This is what the Bolsheviks sought to openly destroy in the Soviet Union, and it is what American Communists today still wish to destroy.  Democracy is a mere means to their ends; the majority of Communist parties in Eastern Europe came to power through free elections after WWII.

I'm all for Resisting the False Song of Fascism, and I'm all for those who run the Forum dealing appropriately with persons who use this forum to express what is unquestionable overt racist sentiment (of any kind, including racially-based hostility of non-whites toward whites as well as anti-black, anti-Hispanic, and anti-nonwhite minority sentiments) but I'm also for Resisting the False Song of Bolshevism as well, and I'm not going to pretend that THAT false song isn't sung on Atlas, either.  THAT false song led to the massacre of Kulaks in the 1920s.  I'll leave it to the reader to conclude as to why this story is barely known in today's Information Age America.    

Sanchez calls himself a "reformed white supremacist" and actually met the "MAGAbomber" once

I'm not even sure Fuzzy realizes that bringing Stalin and Mao or communism into a discussion about neo-Nazis or white supremacists is exactly the type of thing David Duke or his Stormfront followers would do.

Stormfront and Neo-Nazis are pathetic.  The whole crowd of them.  Awful folks.  I've never said otherwise.  I have no use for them, I don't support them, and I would not associate with someone in my personal life if I discovered that someone was, indeed, that.  I have no use for these people.  I would never vote for such a person if I were aware that this is what they were in fact.  And I realize that some people hide this until they get where they want to be.

I'm not defending them, or apologizing for them.  And I've never said otherwise.  In fact, I condemn them, all of them, unequivocally.  Matthew27 is, at best a confused soul, and, at worst, a person whose basic ideas should never drive public policy.

Here on Atlas, we will condemn, at the drop of a hat, anything that is considered "racist".  And well people should; actual racism should be condemned.  "We Condemn Racism In All Forms" is a valid Values Statement for ANY reputable organization, and any reputable organization SHOULD condemn racism unequivocally. 

What people do here is try to define "racism" as any stance that opposes the policy objectives of specific groups in certain issues (voting rights, immigration, criminal justice).  There are, indeed, issues that involve matters of racial justice and fairness, but they also involve issues that have two sides to them and opposition to a particular side is not a matter of bigotry, but a matter of policy.  It's a way to shut down honest policy debate by demonizing persons who disagree with their stances ,and it happens all the time here.

Part of this is a vested narrative of how Neo-Nazis are about to storm the Brooklyn Bridge and take over America if we don't do something.  I simply don't believe it, any more than when, in my youth, I believe that the Commies were about to cross the Potomac and invade Washington.  But I'm going to confront these narratives; they are falsehoods, and they are driven by people who wish to use cheap demonizing to win arguments they have trouble winning by logic.

And I note that I've touched a nerve by suggesting that, as sure as there is alt-right Neo-Nazi influences in our politics and in our social media, there is anti-American Communist/Bolshevik influence in the same manner.  There are people that post here that loathe America and wish for it to be destroyed and remade in their image.  It is certainly hard for me to think that such people wish well for me, or for the vast majority of Americans (of which I am one) who are not members of the alt-right or the fringe left and only wish to live their lives.   

^ In summation:  BOTH SIDES!!! >:(

Now I do view these quotes as the quote of a guy who is a 10K poster at Stormfront (by his own admission).  In that vein, these thoughts are potentially dangerous.  I live in the real world.

It is, indeed, possible, to not be a racist, and to condemn these posts for the spirit that they were posted in.  This kind of paranoia doesn't do anyone any good.  But to the extent that such a statement is an observation, hatred of white Americans is, indeed, encouraged in some quarters in some colleges and universities.  This isn't a secret.  It's nowhere near the moral outrages of slavery or Jim Crow segregation.  It's nowhere near the legitimate questions of racial justice faced in a number of current criminal justice and voting rights topics.  But however paranoid Matthew27 may or may not be (and I'm not his analyst), what he states does go on, and there are, indeed, some people here on Atlas that are part of that, and many brush that off as if it's OK.

Misdemeanor Battery is not as serious as Attempted Murder With A Firearm in terms of the seriousness of an act, but both are wrong, and the perpetrator of the lesser, unchecked, has often grown over time to more serious behaviors.  That the check some here need may well be another discussion for another time, and may not be the check that the more severe perpetrator needs, it's still needed.

^ In summation:  Matthew27 does have a point, you know.

In fact, Fuzzy’s belief is probably more dangerous - the idea that white supremacy comes from a “legitimate” point of grievance and just takes it too far, rather than a morally depraved, baseless ideology - and is probably the strongest evidence in favor of the argument that America is experiencing serious moral decline.

That's not my belief at all.  I have never said this, and I don't believe this. 

"White Supremacy" is something that comes from a depraved mindset, if you're talking about Stormfront, etc.  Let's get that straight.  I DO condemn White Supremacy; it is, indeed, un-Christian, un-American, and it is, indeed, evidence of the moral decline of America.  I do consider the whole of the alt-right to have a morally baseless ideology, and their presence (while inflated by some here for their own partisan purposes) is, indeed, driven by their own moral baselessness and delusion.  And, yes, it is dangerous.  I'm well aware of the history of Germany between the World Wars, and of how dangerous that thinking is.

You're full of beans as to what I have even said, let alone what I mean.  I'll give you the grace of recognizing that everyone has a bad day.

I may be full of beans, but it's better than being full of sh**t.

Once you get done digesting the beans . . .

I must have missed something, because I’ve never seen any inflammatory posts on his part. Then again I haven’t been on Atlas in the last few days.

Oh WOW. Yeah disregard my last post.

The #MAGA bomber was hilarious. I knew that encounter was....um....unique then.

And I can’t be a reformed white supremacist when I never voiced support for white supremacy - there’s a YUGE difference between the two, just like there is between a normal HP and a mega HP.

Fuzzy Bear is an apologist for white nationalism

HP like all Nazis are. I’m not surprised at all of this behavior in this thread by the respective fellows in light of all this.

WTF are white people. I don't come from a white land. My ancestors income from White Sylvania. I'm half Irish and Scotch Irish, and approximately half Austrian. Not 1% white. Neither are you.

Anyone trying to identify as white rather than their actual European ethnicity is identifying himself on the basis of them who they aren't, i e not , and proudly are being white power jackasses.

Mod fail.

I wasn't aware that you had posted there. The difference is that a, you posted there once or twice as opposed to 10,000 times, which indicates very much how seriously you take that storm front stuff. Secondly, you've obviously repudiated that stuff completely. As Matthew 27 posts with literally every other thread, he wallows in it still.

But thank God he's here to keep this place from becoming a liberal Echo chamber. Am I right muon?

But it's extremely clear he's not, nor ever about to in the foreseeable future.

Quite a number, actually. Matthew 27 has been extremely open about his views. It's only now that he's crossed his line by admitting he's posted ten thousand times on Stormfront at the mall to find a quarter ounce of balls actually do something that should have been done ages ago.

But liberal Echo chamber, blah blah blah blah blah. It's utterly amazing that a mod admin who cites the TOs as his Bible to follow in being so cold even handed ignores the fact, that is pointed out here in, that the TOs bans racist statements.

And is the most idiotic post you ever made. And that's saying a lot. Your whataboutism has reached Peak levels.

You've been an apologist for white nationalism i. E. Racism, many many times.

Are you allowed to say this here?

I am speaking for the Stormfront mentality. I believe I'm quoting an African American sociologist that has analyzed the whole issue of "white culture" racist mentality.

Nevertheless, I'll modify my post. I honestly thought autoedit would adding asterisks and stuff like for profanities.

The whole point is that so-called white culture and white people isn't about identifying with whom you are, it's about identifying yourself on the basis of who you are not. No one has much Consciousness in terms of being Italian or Irish oh, Norwegian, whatever anymore. It's something they take some familial pride in and maybe ekstrom so on St Patrick's Day or Columbus Day, Etc. Also maybe in the family cooking. But at the end of the day they aren't concerned about making sure Norwegians have enough representation government, or with rare Urban ethnic enclaves that are largely dead over the last 50 years, whether there's an Italian in government or space number of Polish people in government, Etc.

So when racist talk about white culture, they're trying to lump in together European cultures with vastly varying differences of in background and culture, and lumping them together in a default we're not the brown people or Jews mentality. In other words oh, it's a fundamentally and inherently mistaken and invalid basis of self-identification.

Put even more simply, it is a self-identity based entirely on the notion of punching down, not punching up.

Eh.

Yeah. That's basically the crux of my point. He's not "beyond redemption" since that is absolute terminology that closes the door on him ever changing. But in the near future it's essentially an impossibility. And the corallory is that since no change was forthcoming, he shouldn't be seen more positively.

The truth comes out at last.

0/10, especially considering the source. Should not troll again.

to be fair you did say the n word

I would not say anyone who ever posted on StormFront is beyond help. Maybe there are a few such people who posted on it to make posts to argue against the general position of StormFront (of course it would definitely be very hard for such people to even reach a three-figure post count there since they would likely get banned almost right away) who are good people.

don't like his racism, it's not cool at all. he needs to like, chill out and become okay with everybody.

if he really believes in race so much it just means he's a total sheeple because race was invented by the man to divide us.

It explains so much!

Yes, to quote that the mentality racists like Matthew. I think that was really really really obvious.

It's now up to 17. I assume Nazi Matthew voted for himself. Beyond surely Sanchez and John d u l e, although the latter an appalling ideological soulmate, I will give at least give some credit for unhesitatingly declaring his support of his fellow Neo-Nazi publicly.

That leaves 14 other spineless voters who support a Nazi as a poster. The fact that they call him and FF despite his previous grotesquely racist post longtime association with Stormfront demonstrates they're little better themselves. For example, for all of fuzzy bears freedom of speech arguments - - no matter how spurious I consider them - - surely would not lead him to vote FF in this poll.

And you know what? It's really easy to come up with that list based on their own overtly racist and bigoted posts, which I will remind you all is a specific violation of Dave's TOs.

And this is why muon has been a failure as mod admin

I mean Matthew27 is a Democrat from Oregon who dislikes Trump, but still holds white nationalist views

fhtagn, just a heads up that posting memes in defense of a nazi does not make you look funny or cool

Nothing I posted was in defense of Matthew27.

Try harder next time.

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tl;dr both sides do it™ random memes and this thread gave me cancer.