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Title: Was 2006 or 2016 more conservative?
Post by: darklordoftech on May 22, 2019, 11:47:21 PM
10 years apart, one pre-recession and the other post-Trump's-announcement


Title: Re: Was 2006 or 2016 more conservative?
Post by: OSR stands with Israel on May 23, 2019, 12:46:30 AM
The election : 2016 easily

The year: 2006 pretty easily


The whole 2000s are probably the most Conservative Decade we have had since the 1920s


Title: Re: Was 2006 or 2016 more conservative?
Post by: UWS on May 23, 2019, 06:30:59 PM
The election : 2016 easily

The year: 2006 pretty easily


The whole 2000s are probably the most Conservative Decade we have had since the 1920s

The 1980s too were so conservative with the Reagan Revolution, Margaret Thatcher in the United Kingdom and Brian Mulroney in Canada, notably.


Title: Re: Was 2006 or 2016 more conservative?
Post by: OSR stands with Israel on May 23, 2019, 07:01:09 PM
The election : 2016 easily

The year: 2006 pretty easily


The whole 2000s are probably the most Conservative Decade we have had since the 1920s

The 1980s too were so conservative with the Reagan Revolution, Theresa May in the United Kingdom and Brian Mulroney in Canada, notably.


I consider the Bush hears more conservative than the Reagan ones at least here in the US


Title: Re: Was 2006 or 2016 more conservative?
Post by: TheElectoralBoobyPrize on May 23, 2019, 08:20:14 PM
The election : 2016 easily

The year: 2006 pretty easily


The whole 2000s are probably the most Conservative Decade we have had since the 1920s

The 1980s too were so conservative with the Reagan Revolution, Theresa May in the United Kingdom and Brian Mulroney in Canada, notably.

Theresa May wasn't even an MP in the 1980s.


Title: Re: Was 2006 or 2016 more conservative?
Post by: Blue3 on May 23, 2019, 08:24:37 PM
The election : 2016 easily

The year: 2006 pretty easily

Agree.
And I interpreted the question as the election, so voted 2016.


Title: Re: Was 2006 or 2016 more conservative?
Post by: Dr. MB on May 23, 2019, 10:39:16 PM
2016 was more fiscally conservative, 2006 was more socially conservative.


Title: Re: Was 2006 or 2016 more conservative?
Post by: Beet on May 23, 2019, 10:44:45 PM
In 2016 the left was further left, but the right was further right. Overall a slight advantage to the left. But the marginalization of the far right in 2006, which was not marginalized in 2016, and the far more aggressive posture of the Right in 2016, should not be underestimated.


Title: Re: Was 2006 or 2016 more conservative?
Post by: Sumner 1868 on May 25, 2019, 09:14:23 PM
In 2016 the left was further left, but the right was further right. Overall a slight advantage to the left. But the marginalization of the far right in 2006, which was not marginalized in 2016, and the far more aggressive posture of the Right in 2016, should not be underestimated.

I don't agree at all. Drumpf campaigned well on the left of Bush.


Title: Re: Was 2006 or 2016 more conservative?
Post by: Farmlands on May 26, 2019, 06:43:27 AM
2006 was more socially conservative, keeping with the modern trend of every succeeding year being more socially liberal than the former; but 2016 was more prosperous for the right worldwide, with the resurgence of seemingly dead former nationalist and populist figures and movements.


Title: Re: Was 2006 or 2016 more conservative?
Post by: Ilhan Apologist on May 26, 2019, 07:06:54 PM
In 2016 the left was further left, but the right was further right. Overall a slight advantage to the left. But the marginalization of the far right in 2006, which was not marginalized in 2016, and the far more aggressive posture of the Right in 2016, should not be underestimated.

I don't agree at all. Drumpf campaigned well on the left of Bush.

On some issues, sure. But Bush never called for a Muslim ban, for instance.


Title: Re: Was 2006 or 2016 more conservative?
Post by: Rules for me, but not for thee on May 28, 2019, 09:13:53 PM
2006 was more Neocon/warhawk, 2016 was more free speech/anti-PC mantle taken up by the right and anti-immigration


Title: Re: Was 2006 or 2016 more conservative?
Post by: Esteemed Jimmy on May 29, 2019, 09:54:11 AM
2006 was more Neocon/warhawk, 2016 was more free speech/anti-PC mantle taken up by the right and anti-immigration


Title: Re: Was 2006 or 2016 more conservative?
Post by: Grassroots on May 29, 2019, 03:10:08 PM
Actually, the 1700's and early 1800's were the most socially conservative.

But out of the two, easily 2016, and I predict right will continue to become more socially conservative.


Title: Re: Was 2006 or 2016 more conservative?
Post by: James Monroe on May 29, 2019, 07:55:05 PM
The election : 2016 easily

The year: 2006 pretty easily


The whole 2000s are probably the most Conservative Decade we have had since the 1920s

The 1980s too were so conservative with the Reagan Revolution, Theresa May in the United Kingdom and Brian Mulroney in Canada, notably.


Did you accidentally stumble upon mixing up white female Tory MP's?


Title: Re: Was 2006 or 2016 more conservative?
Post by: Medal506 on June 22, 2019, 05:06:43 PM
Actually, the 1700's and early 1800's were the most socially conservative.

But out of the two, easily 2016, and I predict right will continue to become more socially conservative.

I have to agree with this


Title: Re: Was 2006 or 2016 more conservative?
Post by: Don Vito Corleone on June 22, 2019, 07:42:58 PM
The election : 2016 easily

The year: 2006 pretty easily


The whole 2000s are probably the most Conservative Decade we have had since the 1920s
The 1980s too were so conservative with the Reagan Revolution, Theresa May in the United Kingdom and Brian Mulroney in Canada, notably.
Speaking as a Canadian, it's really quite misleading to lump in Mulroney with Reagan and Thatcher. I see this done a lot, I'm guessing because he was a Conservative who held office in the 1980s, but the issue is Mulroney was much much more moderate than either of them. To give 2 examples, Mulroney is often called "Canada's Greenest Prime Minister" (in fact, current Green Party leader Elizabeth May served as an advisor to Mulroney), and he did little to break the backs of labour.


Title: Re: Was 2006 or 2016 more conservative?
Post by: Kizzuwanda on July 03, 2019, 01:35:35 PM
Why do people say the 80s were conservative? The USSR still existed, and the left in the West was still actually the left rather than "capitalists who support gay marriage". The 90s were 100 times more conservative than the 80s, the 2000s even more so, and I'm not so convinced that on a worldwide scale the 2010s are not the most rightwing decade ever. (Although the left in many areas has supposedly "radicalized", that is turned into fanatics of Woke Capital.)


Title: Re: Was 2006 or 2016 more conservative?
Post by: Sumner 1868 on July 03, 2019, 06:09:00 PM
Why do people say the 80s were conservative? The USSR still existed, and the left in the West was still actually the left rather than "capitalists who support gay marriage". The 90s were 100 times more conservative than the 80s, the 2000s even more so, and I'm not so convinced that on a worldwide scale the 2010s are not the most rightwing decade ever. (Although the left in many areas has supposedly "radicalized", that is turned into fanatics of Woke Capital.)

I'm not sure if I would agree that the left in the 1980s Western nations was all that "left" outside some unelectable Militant Tendency people who failed to have much impact. Plus even the USSR moved towards capitalism in this decade.


Title: Re: Was 2006 or 2016 more conservative?
Post by: Kizzuwanda on July 03, 2019, 06:22:44 PM
Why do people say the 80s were conservative? The USSR still existed, and the left in the West was still actually the left rather than "capitalists who support gay marriage". The 90s were 100 times more conservative than the 80s, the 2000s even more so, and I'm not so convinced that on a worldwide scale the 2010s are not the most rightwing decade ever. (Although the left in many areas has supposedly "radicalized", that is turned into fanatics of Woke Capital.)

I'm not sure if I would agree that the left in the 1980s Western nations was all that "left" outside some unelectable Militant Tendency people who failed to have much impact. Plus even the USSR moved towards capitalism in this decade.

It was still more leftist than any later decade. China was still largely a socialist economy. There were leftist revolutionaries like Thomas Sankara.

Comparing it to the 70s - the decade when the Left was at the height of its global power - is wrong. Compared to later decades the 80s were pretty left.


Title: Re: Was 2006 or 2016 more conservative?
Post by: John Henry Eden on July 17, 2019, 03:01:28 AM
culturally in the right 2016


Title: Re: Was 2006 or 2016 more conservative?
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on July 17, 2019, 08:59:09 AM
2006. 2016 was more reactionary, tho.


Title: Re: Was 2006 or 2016 more conservative?
Post by: UWS on July 18, 2019, 06:42:50 PM
The election : 2016 easily

The year: 2006 pretty easily


The whole 2000s are probably the most Conservative Decade we have had since the 1920s

The 1980s too were so conservative with the Reagan Revolution, Theresa May in the United Kingdom and Brian Mulroney in Canada, notably.


Did you accidentally stumble upon mixing up white female Tory MP's?

Excuse me I meant Margaret Thatcher. I was a little comfused as both Thatcher and May are women, were bith conservative and were both prime ministers in the history of Great Britain.


Title: Re: Was 2006 or 2016 more conservative?
Post by: Wazza [INACTIVE] on July 27, 2019, 08:53:37 AM
"2006 WaS mOrE sOcIaLlY cOnSeRvAtIvE, bUt 2016 WaS mOrE c U l T u R a L l Y c O n S e R v A t I v E!"


Title: Re: Was 2006 or 2016 more conservative?
Post by: 538Electoral on July 28, 2019, 05:35:00 AM
Why are we comparing this exactly?

The easy answer is 2016 where Republicans won the presidency and kept sweeping control of congress vs. 2006 where Republicans all over got creamed.


Title: Re: Was 2006 or 2016 more conservative?
Post by: Skill and Chance on July 28, 2019, 02:06:12 PM
2006 was more socially conservative, keeping with the modern trend of every succeeding year being more socially liberal than the former; but 2016 was more prosperous for the right worldwide, with the resurgence of seemingly dead former nationalist and populist figures and movements.

This mostly.  The 2 most viable interpretations of recent history in the US/developed world are 1. Things have been getting continuously more conservative since ~1980 (if you prioritize economic issues).  1. Things have been getting continuously more liberal since WWII ended, with a possible turning point 2016-present (if you prioritize social issues).


Title: Re: Was 2006 or 2016 more conservative?
Post by: Flyersfan232 on August 17, 2019, 10:57:13 PM
The election : 2016 easily

The year: 2006 pretty easily


The whole 2000s are probably the most Conservative Decade we have had since the 1920s
The 1980s too were so conservative with the Reagan Revolution, Theresa May in the United Kingdom and Brian Mulroney in Canada, notably.
Speaking as a Canadian, it's really quite misleading to lump in Mulroney with Reagan and Thatcher. I see this done a lot, I'm guessing because he was a Conservative who held office in the 1980s, but the issue is was much much more moderate than either of them. To give 2 examples, Mulroney is often called "Canada's Greenest Prime Minister" (in fact, current Green Party leader Elizabeth May served as an advisor to Mulroney), and he did little to break the backs of labour.
But isn’t May more to the centre then most greens politicians world wide And a monarchist too?


Title: Re: Was 2006 or 2016 more conservative?
Post by: Don Vito Corleone on August 18, 2019, 06:18:06 AM
The election : 2016 easily

The year: 2006 pretty easily


The whole 2000s are probably the most Conservative Decade we have had since the 1920s
The 1980s too were so conservative with the Reagan Revolution, Theresa May in the United Kingdom and Brian Mulroney in Canada, notably.
Speaking as a Canadian, it's really quite misleading to lump in Mulroney with Reagan and Thatcher. I see this done a lot, I'm guessing because he was a Conservative who held office in the 1980s, but the issue is was much much more moderate than either of them. To give 2 examples, Mulroney is often called "Canada's Greenest Prime Minister" (in fact, current Green Party leader Elizabeth May served as an advisor to Mulroney), and he did little to break the backs of labour.
But isn’t May more to the centre then most greens politicians world wide And a monarchist too?
She's closer to the centre than say, the Australian Greens or the American Greens, but she's still a greenie, and Mulroney adopting her as a senior advisor speaks to the sort of thing I'm talking about.


Title: Re: Was 2006 or 2016 more conservative?
Post by: lLamamano777 on September 20, 2019, 11:32:15 AM
i think between decades the definition of conservative has shifted, imo 2006 seems more conservative but maybe it's just the differing rhetoric between dubya and Trump.