Title: Why isn't the Indonesian-American population larger? Post by: TDAS04 on June 20, 2019, 05:41:39 PM Asian American population:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Asian_Americans Ancestry Population 2000 Population 2010 Percent change Bangladeshi 46,905 142,080 202.9% Bhutanese 192 18,814 9,699.0% Burmese 14,620 95,536 553.5% Cambodian 183,769 255,497 39.0% Chinese 2,564,190 3,535,382 37.9% Filipino 1,908,125 2,649,973 38.9% Hispanic 119,829 – – Hmong 174,712 252,323 44.4% Indian 1,718,778 2,918,807 69.8% Indonesian 44,186 63,383 69.7% Japanese 852,237 841,824 −1.2% Korean 1,099,422 1,463,474 33.1% Laotian 179,103 209,646 17.1% Malaysian 15,029 21,868 45.5% Maldivian 29 102 251.7% Mongolian 3,699 15,138 309.2% Nepalese 8,209 57,209 596.9% Okinawan 6,138 5,681 −7.4% Pakistani 164,628 382,994 132.6% Singaporean 2,017 4,569 126.5% Sri Lankan 21,364 41,456 94.0% Taiwanese 118,827 199,387 67.6% Thai 120,918 182,872 51.2% Vietnamese 1,169,672 1,632,717 39.6% Other Asian, not specified 162,913 238,332 46.3% Total 10,242,998 14,674,252 43.3% Indonesia is the third most populous country in Asia, and the fourth most populous in the world. Yet, the Indonesian population in the US is lower than that of the Burmese-Americans, considerably lower than the Cambodian- and Laotian-American populations (which is somewhat understandable, considering US war history), and not much larger than the Nepali-American community. Also compare the Indonesian community to the Filipino one! (The Philippines was a US colony, but still...) Why is that? Are Indonesians just more likely to stay at home? Title: Re: Why isn't the Indonesian-American population larger? Post by: Indy Texas on June 20, 2019, 05:54:34 PM What opportunities would an Indonesian person have to immigrate to the US?
Having family ties in the US is a major way to immigrate. But if there are few people Indonesia here to begin with, that means few people have that opportunity. Skills-based visas are the other way. Most Indonesians aren't very well educated. Unlike, say, India, they don't have a strong English-speaking tradition or a very comprehensive higher education system. Title: Re: Why isn't the Indonesian-American population larger? Post by: TheDeadFlagBlues on June 20, 2019, 09:57:53 PM It's much easier for Indonesians to work in Saudi Arabia or Malaysia and send remittances back home than it is for them to work in the US and do the same. People are prone to forgetting that there are plenty of relatively wealthy countries outside of Europe and North America and that they, too, draw many migrants.
There are very few Bolivians or Paraguayans in the US because they emigrate to Uruguay or Argentina or Chile. Title: Re: Why isn't the Indonesian-American population larger? Post by: nclib on June 21, 2019, 06:57:09 PM What's also interesting is small proportion of Thai's compared to the number of Thai restaurants. It appears that there as many Thai restaurants as Vietnamese restaurants despite far lower Thai immigrant populations.
Title: Re: Why isn't the Indonesian-American population larger? Post by: dpmapper on June 22, 2019, 12:45:22 AM What's also interesting is small proportion of Thai's compared to the number of Thai restaurants. It appears that there as many Thai restaurants as Vietnamese restaurants despite far lower Thai immigrant populations. Not sure that that's true. There may be equal numbers in some areas but if you go to Houston or Orange County there are gobs and gobs more Vietnamese restaurants. I suspect the Vietnamese population is more concentrated in certain areas and the Thai population is more spread out, so if you're not close to a Vietnamese hub you might get the impression that you have. Title: Re: Why isn't the Indonesian-American population larger? Post by: TDAS04 on June 22, 2019, 10:09:17 AM What's also interesting is small proportion of Thai's compared to the number of Thai restaurants. It appears that there as many Thai restaurants as Vietnamese restaurants despite far lower Thai immigrant populations. Vietnamese restaurants are catching on in places. But despite the large Filipino-American population, are there any Filipino restaurants anywhere? Then again, is Filipino food any good? lol Title: Re: Why isn't the Indonesian-American population larger? Post by: izixs on June 22, 2019, 11:49:39 PM Wowzers on the Himalayans coming to America. At least in percentage there.
Title: Re: Why isn't the Indonesian-American population larger? Post by: Sol on June 23, 2019, 01:42:41 PM Wowzers on the Himalayans coming to America. At least in percentage there. I'd imagine both the Bhutanese and maybe also the Nepalese are Lhotshampa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lhotshampa); i.e. ethnic Nepalese forced out of Bhutan due to the government's exclusionary policies. Most of them went over to Nepal in the 80s and 90s, but ended up getting resettled, mostly to the U.S. as hope of return to Bhutan has become increasingly remote :(. Here's (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=156226.0) a good old thread about this topic, featuring the now-departed for AAD poster Lewis Trondheim. Title: Re: Why isn't the Indonesian-American population larger? Post by: SInNYC on June 23, 2019, 01:57:24 PM What's also interesting is small proportion of Thai's compared to the number of Thai restaurants. It appears that there as many Thai restaurants as Vietnamese restaurants despite far lower Thai immigrant populations. Around here, many Thai restaurants are run by Chinese (I know since Chinese dining partners claim they are speaking Mandarin in the kitchen). Some of the [bad] takeout joints just sprinkle red paper flakes and peanuts on lo mein and call it pad thai. To extend this, many cheaper sushi places are Chinese run, and cheaper Indian places are Bangladeshi run (which is why I always look for a turban when I want north Indian). Where I used to live, the Vietnamese places were mostly run by Hmong (and a Hmong friend told me that the food at one place was really Hmong + some phos). In short, there is little correlation between restaurant genre and chef/owner. Title: Re: Why isn't the Indonesian-American population larger? Post by: 支持核绿派 (Greens4Nuclear) on June 23, 2019, 03:22:11 PM What's also interesting is small proportion of Thai's compared to the number of Thai restaurants. It appears that there as many Thai restaurants as Vietnamese restaurants despite far lower Thai immigrant populations. Around here, many Thai restaurants are run by Chinese (I know since Chinese dining partners claim they are speaking Mandarin in the kitchen). Some of the [bad] takeout joints just sprinkle red paper flakes and peanuts on lo mein and call it pad thai. To extend this, many cheaper sushi places are Chinese run, and cheaper Indian places are Bangladeshi run (which is why I always look for a turban when I want north Indian). Where I used to live, the Vietnamese places were mostly run by Hmong (and a Hmong friend told me that the food at one place was really Hmong + some phos). In short, there is little correlation between restaurant genre and chef/owner. I’m guessing you currently live in Queens or Brooklyn, and used to live in the Upper Midwest? Aside from a lot of sushi places being run by Koreans, you generally won’t encounter that problem on the West Coast. Re: the OP topic- most Indonesian Americans are ethnic Chinese, although there are also a certain number of Indos (people of mixed Dutch and native descent). Singer Michelle Branch is half Indo on her mom’s side. I grew up in Washington County OR and there were at least 2 Chinese Indonesian families and one half Indo half white person within 1 mile of my house. Title: Re: Why isn't the Indonesian-American population larger? Post by: Indy Texas on June 23, 2019, 03:47:54 PM Wowzers on the Himalayans coming to America. At least in percentage there. I'd imagine both the Bhutanese and maybe also the Nepalese are Lhotshampa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lhotshampa); i.e. ethnic Nepalese forced out of Bhutan due to the government's exclusionary policies. Most of them went over to Nepal in the 80s and 90s, but ended up getting resettled, mostly to the U.S. as hope of return to Bhutan has become increasingly remote :(. Here's (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=156226.0) a good old thread about this topic, featuring the now-departed for AAD poster Lewis Trondheim. When I lived in Madison, weirdly enough, I encountered multiple Nepalese-Americans because apparently it's been a common place of resettlement for Nepalese refugees for the past few decades. Title: Re: Why isn't the Indonesian-American population larger? Post by: Orser67 on June 23, 2019, 05:37:52 PM What's also interesting is small proportion of Thai's compared to the number of Thai restaurants. It appears that there as many Thai restaurants as Vietnamese restaurants despite far lower Thai immigrant populations. Vietnamese restaurants are catching on in places. But despite the large Filipino-American population, are there any Filipino restaurants anywhere? Then again, is Filipino food any good? lol At least in my area/personal experience, Thai restaurants started catching on about fifteen years ago, Vietnamese places started becoming big about five years ago, and Filipino restaurants are finally starting to open, though they're still rare. All three are pretty good imo, but I'd probably go Vietnamse>Thai>Filipino Title: Re: Why isn't the Indonesian-American population larger? Post by: cinyc on June 23, 2019, 11:00:25 PM Wasn't Indonesia colonized by the Dutch, while many other Asian countries that were colonized were colonized by the English? Plus, it's an Islamic Country. Doesn't it make more sense for Indonesians to emigrate to places like The Netherlands and the Muslim Arab nations than the United States?
Title: Re: Why isn't the Indonesian-American population larger? Post by: SInNYC on June 24, 2019, 09:07:52 AM What's also interesting is small proportion of Thai's compared to the number of Thai restaurants. It appears that there as many Thai restaurants as Vietnamese restaurants despite far lower Thai immigrant populations. Around here, many Thai restaurants are run by Chinese (I know since Chinese dining partners claim they are speaking Mandarin in the kitchen). Some of the [bad] takeout joints just sprinkle red paper flakes and peanuts on lo mein and call it pad thai. To extend this, many cheaper sushi places are Chinese run, and cheaper Indian places are Bangladeshi run (which is why I always look for a turban when I want north Indian). Where I used to live, the Vietnamese places were mostly run by Hmong (and a Hmong friend told me that the food at one place was really Hmong + some phos). In short, there is little correlation between restaurant genre and chef/owner. I’m guessing you currently live in Queens or Brooklyn, and used to live in the Upper Midwest? Aside from a lot of sushi places being run by Koreans, you generally won’t encounter that problem on the West Coast. Close, the Bronx. But I think its more true of Manhattan than Queens/Brooklyn as far as Chinese/Korean sushi houses and Bangladeshi Indian restaurants (though less true for Thai). But I have seen a few Chinese/Vietnamese crosses in CA, and sushi is weird everywhere like you say. North Indian is less of a problem on the west coast probably due to a traditional Sikh presence in the agricultural sector. Basically, more educated immigrants dont want to run restaurants. Title: Re: Why isn't the Indonesian-American population larger? Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on July 11, 2019, 09:38:33 PM I would have expected there to be more Indonesian-Australians, but apparently the number is about the same as Indonesian-Americans (though of course much larger in proportion to the total population of Australia).
Title: Re: Why isn't the Indonesian-American population larger? Post by: 支持核绿派 (Greens4Nuclear) on July 12, 2019, 02:10:56 AM I would have expected there to be more Indonesian-Australians, but apparently the number is about the same as Indonesian-Americans (though of course much larger in proportion to the total population of Australia). This Wiki page suggests there are twice as many Indonesian Americans as Indonesian Australians. The US has 12-13 times the population of Australia, so Australia is 6x more Indonesian overall. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Indonesians Quote Overseas Indonesians Total population c. 8 million (2015)[1] Regions with significant populations Malaysia est 2,500,000 (2014)[2] Netherlands est 1,800,000 (2013)[3] Saudi Arabia est 1,500,000 (2014)[4] Singapore est 200,000 (2010)[5] United States 187,220 (2017)[6] Taiwan 161,000 (2010)[7] Hong Kong 102,100 (2006)[8] United Arab Emirates 100,000 (2006)[9] Australia 86,196 (2017)[10] Suriname 74.000 (2010)[11] Title: Re: Why isn't the Indonesian-American population larger? Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on July 12, 2019, 09:49:56 AM I would have expected there to be more Indonesian-Australians, but apparently the number is about the same as Indonesian-Americans (though of course much larger in proportion to the total population of Australia). This Wiki page suggests there are twice as many Indonesian Americans as Indonesian Australians. The US has 12-13 times the population of Australia, so Australia is 6x more Indonesian overall. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Indonesians Quote Overseas Indonesians Total population c. 8 million (2015)[1] Regions with significant populations Malaysia est 2,500,000 (2014)[2] Netherlands est 1,800,000 (2013)[3] Saudi Arabia est 1,500,000 (2014)[4] Singapore est 200,000 (2010)[5] United States 187,220 (2017)[6] Taiwan 161,000 (2010)[7] Hong Kong 102,100 (2006)[8] United Arab Emirates 100,000 (2006)[9] Australia 86,196 (2017)[10] Suriname 74.000 (2010)[11] Wow, looks like Indonesian-American population has nearly tripled since 2010 then? Title: Re: Why isn't the Indonesian-American population larger? Post by: danny on July 13, 2019, 12:00:43 PM I would have expected there to be more Indonesian-Australians, but apparently the number is about the same as Indonesian-Americans (though of course much larger in proportion to the total population of Australia). This Wiki page suggests there are twice as many Indonesian Americans as Indonesian Australians. The US has 12-13 times the population of Australia, so Australia is 6x more Indonesian overall. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Indonesians Quote Overseas Indonesians Total population c. 8 million (2015)[1] Regions with significant populations Malaysia est 2,500,000 (2014)[2] Netherlands est 1,800,000 (2013)[3] Saudi Arabia est 1,500,000 (2014)[4] Singapore est 200,000 (2010)[5] United States 187,220 (2017)[6] Taiwan 161,000 (2010)[7] Hong Kong 102,100 (2006)[8] United Arab Emirates 100,000 (2006)[9] Australia 86,196 (2017)[10] Suriname 74.000 (2010)[11] Wow, looks like Indonesian-American population has nearly tripled since 2010 then? This looks like a fake wikipedia number. The source is something written in 2006... Title: Re: Why isn't the Indonesian-American population larger? Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on July 13, 2019, 10:17:41 PM I would have expected there to be more Indonesian-Australians, but apparently the number is about the same as Indonesian-Americans (though of course much larger in proportion to the total population of Australia). This Wiki page suggests there are twice as many Indonesian Americans as Indonesian Australians. The US has 12-13 times the population of Australia, so Australia is 6x more Indonesian overall. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Indonesians Quote Overseas Indonesians Total population c. 8 million (2015)[1] Regions with significant populations Malaysia est 2,500,000 (2014)[2] Netherlands est 1,800,000 (2013)[3] Saudi Arabia est 1,500,000 (2014)[4] Singapore est 200,000 (2010)[5] United States 187,220 (2017)[6] Taiwan 161,000 (2010)[7] Hong Kong 102,100 (2006)[8] United Arab Emirates 100,000 (2006)[9] Australia 86,196 (2017)[10] Suriname 74.000 (2010)[11] Wow, looks like Indonesian-American population has nearly tripled since 2010 then? This looks like a fake wikipedia number. The source is something written in 2006... I dunno that's weird, it links to an article about the computer industry in Asia? Title: Re: Why isn't the Indonesian-American population larger? Post by: danny on July 15, 2019, 02:04:32 AM I dunno that's weird, it links to an article about the computer industry in Asia? This happens sometimes, which is why you can't just take Wikipedia's word for it, and you have to check the source. |