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Atlas Fantasy Elections => Atlas Fantasy Government => Topic started by: JohnFKennedy on May 12, 2004, 12:19:57 PM



Title: Proposed Bill - Off-board campaigning
Post by: JohnFKennedy on May 12, 2004, 12:19:57 PM
To prevent unfair advantages for ALL sides during an election:

A proposition to prohibit all campaigning outside the Atlas Fantasy Elections Board. This includes barnstorming and such for a particular candidate or against a particular candidate, and also includes "reminders" for inactive board members to vote. Since part of the challenge of running a campaign is to organize your base, getting a vote from an inactive voter should not be that easy.

Any registered voter found in violation of said bill will be punished by having their vote in the nearest election(s) nullified.


Title: Re:Proposed Bill - Off-board campaigning
Post by: Dave from Michigan on May 12, 2004, 12:23:20 PM
no


Title: Re:Proposed Bill - Off-board campaigning
Post by: © tweed on May 12, 2004, 03:00:40 PM
NO

Too vague


Title: Re:Proposed Bill - Off-board campaigning
Post by: The Dowager Mod on May 12, 2004, 03:15:37 PM
no.


Title: Re:Proposed Bill - Off-board campaigning
Post by: Reaganfan on May 12, 2004, 03:27:15 PM
I don't campaign off-board.


Title: Re:Proposed Bill - Off-board campaigning
Post by: KEmperor on May 12, 2004, 03:47:09 PM

How is this vague?  The bill says that campaigning outside the fantasy boards in not allowed, and if anyone does, they lose their vote as punishment.


Title: Re:Proposed Bill - Off-board campaigning
Post by: Josh/Devilman88 on May 12, 2004, 03:48:53 PM
This is fine. We should keep the elections her on this board.


Title: Re:Proposed Bill - Off-board campaigning
Post by: Nation on May 12, 2004, 04:04:29 PM
I don't see what the problem is with this -- it's not like you can't advertise in your signature, it's just preventing you from going on, say, the 2004 Election Campaign board and saying "Go to the fantasy elections and vote for blah blah, he's the best candidate blah blah etc"

Campaigning and fantasy stuff should be kept to these boards, like Josh said.


Title: Re:Proposed Bill - Off-board campaigning
Post by: JohnFKennedy on May 12, 2004, 04:07:28 PM
I believe it is said in the constitution people cannot advertise outside of the fantasy forums but it isn't being enforced and there is no punishment for it which means there is no way to discourage it. If we nullify their vote then they will be discouraged from doing this.


Title: Re:Proposed Bill - Off-board campaigning
Post by: YRABNNRM on May 12, 2004, 05:10:05 PM
I believe we should be allowed to remind people to vote, that doesn't seem like an offence to me.


Title: Re:Proposed Bill - Off-board campaigning
Post by: TheWildCard on May 12, 2004, 05:13:25 PM
I tend to agree with Andrew I believe people should be allowed to remind others to vote perhaps make so one person can only remind one person one time during an election that way it won't get excessive..


Title: Re:Proposed Bill - Off-board campaigning
Post by: Nation on May 12, 2004, 05:19:31 PM
I tend to agree with Andrew I believe people should be allowed to remind others to vote perhaps make so one person can only remind one person one time during an election that way it won't get excessive..

We could amend it that way too, in addition to the campaigning. The only hard part would be enforcing it, but I think there are enough fantasy voters that it could be.


Title: Re:Proposed Bill - Off-board campaigning
Post by: Fritz on May 12, 2004, 05:27:20 PM
JFK is right-

Article V, Clause 3. No campaigning shall ever occur outside the Fantasy Election threads in the form of posts. However, a user’s personal signature and name are not restricted.

The clause fails to mention any punishment or means of enforcement.  However, I have one problem with the proposed bill:

 I don't think "reminding" inactive voters to vote constitutes campaigning.  Not unless votes are solicited for a particular candidate.  This should not be included.

Although not specifically stated, it is implied that "the Senate shall have the power to enforce this article through appropriate legislation."  Which is what JFK is proposing.





Title: Re:Proposed Bill - Off-board campaigning
Post by: StevenNick on May 12, 2004, 06:07:29 PM
I vote no.


Title: Re:Proposed Bill - Off-board campaigning
Post by: 7,052,770 on May 12, 2004, 10:04:15 PM
NO!!!!  Off-board campaigning is totally legit


Title: Re:Proposed Bill - Off-board campaigning
Post by: Nation on May 12, 2004, 10:16:59 PM
NO!!!!  Off-board campaigning is totally legit

Even though it's strongly discouraged by the Constitution?


Title: Re:Proposed Bill - Off-board campaigning
Post by: JohnFKennedy on May 13, 2004, 10:54:57 AM
NO!!!!  Off-board campaigning is totally legit

Despite the constitution stating that "No campaigning shall ever occur outside the Fantasy Election threads in the form of posts." I would expect the President Pro Tempore to know that, however the constitution does not state a penalty for this and how it shall be enforced.