Title: Michigan GOP claims independent redistricting violates the First Amendment Post by: they don't love you like i love you on September 09, 2019, 06:03:17 PM https://www.vox.com/2019/9/9/20850936/gerrymandering-michigan-commission-republican-legal-argument
Truly the most bizarre argument on redistricting I've ever ever heard. Also weird they're pushing this since Whitmer will just veto their maps anyway. Title: Re: Michigan GOP claims independent redistricting violates the First Amendment Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on September 09, 2019, 06:24:15 PM Independent redistricting also causes autism.
Title: Re: Michigan GOP claims independent redistricting violates the First Amendment Post by: Kingpoleon on September 09, 2019, 07:15:53 PM Independent redistricting also causes chemtrails. Title: Re: Michigan GOP claims independent redistricting violates the First Amendment Post by: dead0man on September 10, 2019, 05:17:03 AM this really seems like something that could easily be solved with some AI
Title: Re: Michigan GOP claims independent redistricting violates the First Amendment Post by: they don't love you like i love you on September 10, 2019, 08:49:19 AM this really seems like something that could easily be solved with some AI Computer assisted independent redistricting like in Iowa though is very useful. Title: Re: Michigan GOP claims independent redistricting violates the First Amendment Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on September 10, 2019, 08:50:27 AM this really seems like something that could easily be solved with some AI You want the Skynet handling redistricting? No thanks. Title: Re: Michigan GOP claims independent redistricting violates the First Amendment Post by: dead0man on September 10, 2019, 08:53:01 AM this really seems like something that could easily be solved with some AI Title: Re: Michigan GOP claims independent redistricting violates the First Amendment Post by: Sir Mohamed on September 10, 2019, 09:29:54 AM News at 11 the GOP tries to rig elections. They know that fair maps would ruin their chances in many legislatures.
Independent redistricting also causes autism. I thought they cause the same cancer as windmills ??? Title: Re: Michigan GOP claims independent redistricting violates the First Amendment Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on September 10, 2019, 10:43:18 AM Independent redistricting also causes autism. I thought they cause the same cancer as windmills ??? How about both? Title: Re: Michigan GOP claims independent redistricting violates the First Amendment Post by: Hammy on September 10, 2019, 06:28:42 PM If we'd just have proportional representation it would eliminate this stupid redistricting game.
Title: Re: Michigan GOP claims independent redistricting violates the First Amendment Post by: Del Tachi on September 15, 2019, 06:58:11 PM I don't think they'll win this case on the merits, but I don't think the legal argument is particularly far-fetched: if identifiable partisans are prohibited from serving on "independent" redistricting commissions (like the MI law allows), then the government is barring them from participating in what SCOTUS has called a strictly political process on the basis of their association with a political party.
Title: Re: Michigan GOP claims independent redistricting violates the First Amendment Post by: SteveRogers on September 16, 2019, 04:23:12 PM I don't think they'll win this case on the merits, but I don't think the legal argument is particularly far-fetched: if identifiable partisans are prohibited from serving on "independent" redistricting commissions (like the MI law allows), then the government is barring them from participating in what SCOTUS has called a strictly political process on the basis of their association with a political party. Title: Re: Michigan GOP claims independent redistricting violates the First Amendment Post by: Kingpoleon on September 17, 2019, 12:39:28 PM If we'd just have proportional representation it would eliminate this stupid redistricting game. A Unicameral Senate of 101 members elected by proportional representation-list, like Israel. The list predominantly eliminates undue influence by regional concentration of population while fairly representing the whole country. Title: Re: Michigan GOP claims independent redistricting violates the First Amendment Post by: jimrtex on September 17, 2019, 10:07:50 PM I don't think they'll win this case on the merits, but I don't think the legal argument is particularly far-fetched: if identifiable partisans are prohibited from serving on "independent" redistricting commissions (like the MI law allows), then the government is barring them from participating in what SCOTUS has called a strictly political process on the basis of their association with a political party. Michigan does not have partisan registration. Voters select a party anonymously on the primary ballot. It is entirely feasible for someone to declare they are Democrat, Republican, or neither, and have no way of checking. The commission will be chosen by lottery, with legislative leaders limited in their strikes. Part of the claim of the lawsuit is due process, that the commission is supposed to be bipartisan, where Republicans are presumed to be pro-Republican and Democrats are presumed to be pro-Democratic, yet because Republican officials are excluded from the process there is no way to keep sleeper agents out of the commission. Plus the criteria are backwards, with partisan "fairness" rating above compactness and integrity of legal subdivisions. It is a political trainwreck that only the LWV could love. Title: Re: Michigan GOP claims independent redistricting violates the First Amendment Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on September 30, 2019, 12:49:07 AM I think the restrictions are broader than necessary, and that was one of my biggest oppositions to the proposal, but MIGOP's complaints here are disingenuous. I certainly understand the rationale for restricting family members of people who ran or worked for an elected official, but parents, children, and spouses can have pretty different political beliefs. I really don't know how you can avoid throwing the baby out with the bathwater here... if you want to have an objective standard, it's going to be either way too narrow or way too broad.
this really seems like something that could easily be solved with some AI That's what I advocated for. Title: Re: Michigan GOP claims independent redistricting violates the First Amendment Post by: GM Team Member and Senator WB on September 30, 2019, 11:02:59 AM If we'd just have proportional representation it would eliminate this stupid redistricting game. A Unicameral Senate of 101 members elected by proportional representation-list, like Israel. The list predominantly eliminates undue influence by regional concentration of population while fairly representing the whole country. Title: Re: Michigan GOP claims independent redistricting violates the First Amendment Post by: Kingpoleon on October 01, 2019, 09:47:51 PM If we'd just have proportional representation it would eliminate this stupid redistricting game. A Unicameral Senate of 101 members elected by proportional representation-list, like Israel. The list predominantly eliminates undue influence by regional concentration of population while fairly representing the whole country. Title: Re: Michigan GOP claims independent redistricting violates the First Amendment Post by: Slander and/or Libel on October 02, 2019, 07:31:45 AM If we'd just have proportional representation it would eliminate this stupid redistricting game. A Unicameral Senate of 101 members elected by proportional representation-list, like Israel. The list predominantly eliminates undue influence by regional concentration of population while fairly representing the whole country. You're gonna have to expand on that. This isn't just self-evident, and size also isn't the only difference between the chambers. Title: Re: Michigan GOP claims independent redistricting violates the First Amendment Post by: they don't love you like i love you on October 02, 2019, 11:22:14 AM The House is honestly not that notably large. The British House of Commons, French Parliament, German Bundestag and many other legislatures have more members. Even the Canadian Parliament is about 75% of its size.
Title: Re: Michigan GOP claims independent redistricting violates the First Amendment Post by: Stranger in a strange land on October 02, 2019, 12:55:52 PM The House is honestly not that notably large. The British House of Commons, French Parliament, German Bundestag and many other legislatures have more members. Even the Canadian Parliament is about 75% of its size. Also, those countries all have much smaller populations. Title: Re: Michigan GOP claims independent redistricting violates the First Amendment Post by: Yellowhammer on October 03, 2019, 12:54:03 AM The House is honestly not that notably large. The British House of Commons, French Parliament, German Bundestag and many other legislatures have more members. Even the Canadian Parliament is about 75% of its size. Yeah we should at least adopt the cube root rule for the house -- it would increase its size by about 50%. Only 435 representatives for ~330 million people is ludicrous. Title: Re: Michigan GOP claims independent redistricting violates the First Amendment Post by: Stranger in a strange land on October 03, 2019, 08:20:21 AM The House is honestly not that notably large. The British House of Commons, French Parliament, German Bundestag and many other legislatures have more members. Even the Canadian Parliament is about 75% of its size. Yeah we should at least adopt the cube root rule for the house -- it would increase its size by about 50%. Only 435 representatives for ~330 million people is ludicrous. I would favor either this or the Wyoming rule. Title: Re: Michigan GOP claims independent redistricting violates the First Amendment Post by: Storr on October 03, 2019, 12:59:03 PM The House is honestly not that notably large. The British House of Commons, French Parliament, German Bundestag and many other legislatures have more members. Even the Canadian Parliament is about 75% of its size. Yeah we should at least adopt the cube root rule for the house -- it would increase its size by about 50%. Only 435 representatives for ~330 million people is ludicrous. I would favor either this or the Wyoming rule. Title: Re: Michigan GOP claims independent redistricting violates the First Amendment Post by: Kingpoleon on October 03, 2019, 06:29:28 PM A thousand member legislature is hardly feasible, and I believe that opponents of the Traditional Legislative Model in America must propose strictly feasible proposals if we want to be taken seriously.
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