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Title: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: Smash255 on February 12, 2006, 05:00:02 PM Glad the guy is ok, but this is a major oops on Cheney's part
Quote WASHINGTON (AP) -- Vice President Dick Cheney accidentally shot and injured a man during a weekend quail hunting trip in Texas, his spokeswoman said Sunday. Harry Whittington, 78, was "alert and doing fine" after Cheney sprayed him with shotgun pellets on Saturday while the two were hunting at the Armstrong Ranch in south Texas, said property owner Katharine Armstrong. Armstrong said Whittington was mostly injured on his right side, with the pellets hitting his cheek, neck and chest, and was taken to the hospital by ambulance. Whittington was in stable condition Sunday, said Yvonne Wheeler, spokeswoman for the Christus Spohn Health System. Cheney's spokeswoman, Lea Anne McBride, said the vice president was with Whittington, a lawyer from Austin, Texas, and his wife at the hospital on Sunday afternoon. Armstrong said she was watching from a car while Cheney, Whittington and another hunter got out of the vehicle to shot at a covey of quail late afternoon on Saturday. Whittington shot a bird and went to look for it in the tall grass, while Cheney and the third hunter walked to another spot and found a second covey. Whittington "came up from behind the vice president and the other hunter and didn't signal them or indicate to them or announce himself," Armstrong told the Associated Press in an interview. "The vice president didn't see him," she continued. "The covey flushed and the vice president picked out a bird and was following it and shot. And by god, Harry was in the line of fire and got peppered pretty good." The shooting was first reported by the Corpus Christi Caller-Times. She said Whittington was bleeding but not very seriously injured, and Cheney was very apologetic. "It broke the skin," she said. "It knocked him silly. But he was fine. He was talking. His eyes were open. It didn't get in his eyes or anything like that." She said emergency personnel traveling with Cheney tended to Whittington, holding his face and cleaning up the blood. "Fortunately, the vice president has got a lot of medical people around him and so they were right there and probably more cautious than we would have been," she said. "The vice president has got an ambulance on call, so the ambulance came." Armstrong said Cheney is a longtime friend who comes to the ranch to hunt about once a year. She said Whittington is a regular, too, but she thought it was the first time the two men hunted together. "This is something that happens from time to time. You now, I've been peppered pretty well myself," said Armstrong. http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/12/cheney.ap/index.html Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: MasterJedi on February 12, 2006, 05:11:33 PM I heard about this already. If it was a Dem I can't wait until we see what Jfern says. :P
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: Jake on February 12, 2006, 05:17:50 PM Um, hunting accidents happen all the time. Let's hope the guy is ok and move on.
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: ian on February 12, 2006, 05:18:28 PM That is so awful. That really sucks for the VP, but what was he doing hunting with his medical condition at his age?
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: J. J. on February 12, 2006, 05:26:08 PM That is so awful. That really sucks for the VP, but what was he doing hunting with his medical condition at his age? It's not uncommon. A classmate of mine is high school was shot, severely, but recovered in enough time to graduate on time and serve in the army; he's now a prison guard. Quail are very light game and walking is good exercise for people with heart conditions. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 12, 2006, 05:28:51 PM The other guy was an innocent bystander of Cheney's war on
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: Blue Rectangle on February 12, 2006, 05:35:15 PM I knows there's a good joke to be made using Dan Quayle, but I can't come up with it.
Also, maybe there's a good Aaron Burr joke. Help me out here, people. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: Gabu on February 12, 2006, 05:36:19 PM Aha, Cheney reveals his true murderous tendencies.
He is quite clearly Satan Incarnate. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: dazzleman on February 12, 2006, 05:37:31 PM The other guy was an innocent bystander of Cheney's war on So you do have a sense of humor? Who knew? I expected a serious response along the lines of what Gabu said in jest. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: ?????????? on February 12, 2006, 06:02:03 PM Bird shot isn't usually deadly to a human. Now if they had been deer hunting, well we'd probably be hearing a more tragic story.
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: Speed of Sound on February 12, 2006, 07:17:10 PM Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: Moooooo on February 12, 2006, 07:19:14 PM Revoke his license!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Friggn' neo-CON
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: Keystone Phil on February 12, 2006, 07:29:37 PM Serious question - What percentage of the American public will think Cheney should resign because of this?
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: dazzleman on February 12, 2006, 07:30:09 PM Serious question - What percentage of the American public will think Cheney should resign because of this? about 1%, I would guess Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: Keystone Phil on February 12, 2006, 07:38:15 PM Serious question - What percentage of the American public will think Cheney should resign because of this? about 1%, I would guess Far left nutjobs make up a little more than 1% of the population. Maybe 2%? Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: Moooooo on February 12, 2006, 07:38:46 PM 5-10%. I seriously believe about 10% of the population would still cry foul if Bush and Cheney discovered a cure for AIDS.
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: Gabu on February 12, 2006, 07:40:36 PM 5-10%. I seriously believe about 10% of the population that would still cry foul if Bush and Cheney discovered a cure for AIDS. Yeah, and 10% of the population would still think he was the second coming of Jesus if he murdered a busload of kids. Fortunately, 80% of the population actually has a brain. :P Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: Moooooo on February 12, 2006, 07:41:28 PM True, true...
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: Alcon on February 12, 2006, 07:44:49 PM Quail hunting? The cute, funny-walking birds? Why?
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: Gabu on February 12, 2006, 07:45:33 PM Quail hunting? The cute, funny-walking birds? Why? I think everyone in America would like to imagine themselves killing Dan Quayle. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on February 12, 2006, 08:20:29 PM Quail hunting? The cute, funny-walking birds? Why? Hopefully, it's because he thinks they taste good. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: opebo on February 12, 2006, 09:42:23 PM It is always somewhat funny when hunters shoot one another.
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: YRABNNRM on February 12, 2006, 09:44:37 PM Quail hunting? The cute, funny-walking birds? Why? "I hunt quail, Jeremy. They're overpopulated in this region and they're decimating the grubworm population. You got a fcuking problem with that?" Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: Citizen James on February 12, 2006, 09:56:08 PM Actually, I'm suprised the secret service allowed him to do so. He could just have easily been shot (accidently or otherwise) by another hunter.
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: A18 on February 12, 2006, 09:57:27 PM Well, ultimately it's his choice.
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: opebo on February 12, 2006, 09:57:31 PM Actually, I'm suprised the secret service allowed him to do so. He could just have easily been shot (accidently or otherwise) by another hunter. The other 'hunters' are probably given blanks. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: John Dibble on February 12, 2006, 10:00:30 PM Fortunately, 80% of the population actually has a brain. :P I'd like to contest this assertion, as the Republicans and the Democrats are still voted into office. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: Gabu on February 12, 2006, 10:19:39 PM Fortunately, 80% of the population actually has a brain. :P I'd like to contest this assertion, as the Republicans and the Democrats are still voted into office. You're right, Michael Badnarik did get 0.32% of the vote. Okay then, 79.68% of the population actually has a brain. ;) Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: John Dibble on February 12, 2006, 10:22:05 PM Fortunately, 80% of the population actually has a brain. :P I'd like to contest this assertion, as the Republicans and the Democrats are still voted into office. You're right, Michael Badnarik did get 0.32% of the vote. Okay then, 79.68% of the population actually has a brain. ;) LOL. But Nader got votes too, remember. So did Peroutka. ;) Oh, yeah, and let's not forget Bush and Kerry and all the votes they got. ;D Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: riceowl on February 12, 2006, 10:31:23 PM this story made me laugh. I was thinking how, if the guy died, Cheney would have been arrested for the one crime liberals actually DON'T think he intentionally committed.
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: King on February 12, 2006, 10:41:38 PM Quail hunting? The cute, funny-walking birds? Why? I think everyone in America would like to imagine themselves killing Dan Quayle. Finally... a Dan Quayle joke over it! The world is now right. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: King on February 12, 2006, 10:42:38 PM 5-10%. I seriously believe about 10% of the population would still cry foul if Bush and Cheney discovered a cure for AIDS. 16% Believe Their Phones Tapped by Federal Government 16% is the correct answer. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 12, 2006, 10:43:52 PM Quail hunting? The cute, funny-walking birds? Why? I think everyone in America would like to imagine themselves killing Dan Quayle. Why would he want to kill the smartest Baby Boomer to ever be on a Republican ticket? Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: Kevin on February 12, 2006, 10:57:47 PM It was an unfortuenate accident.
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: opebo on February 12, 2006, 11:16:31 PM It was an unfortuenate accident. Not from the perspective of the quail. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: The Man From G.O.P. on February 12, 2006, 11:19:02 PM Imp33ch now!
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: Smash255 on February 13, 2006, 02:51:20 AM this story made me laugh. I was thinking how, if the guy died, Cheney would have been arrested for the one crime liberals actually DON'T think he intentionally committed. Haha thats why i posted it J/k I posted it because I thought it was an interesting story, although can't say that thought didn't cross my mind after I posted it Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: memphis on February 13, 2006, 02:53:14 AM Anybody know if there is any criminal penalty for this? I know it was an accident but he shot a man. At the very least, Cheney should have to pick up litter on the highway :)
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: Ebowed on February 13, 2006, 07:09:12 AM Doesn't Cheney go on hunting trips with Antonin Scalia too? :)
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: MODU on February 13, 2006, 07:59:11 AM Anybody know if there is any criminal penalty for this? I know it was an accident but he shot a man. At the very least, Cheney should have to pick up litter on the highway :) No, there is no crime committed (hence the word accident). As it turns out, the fault lies on the man who was shot, since he did not report to the firing line that he was in the vicinity after going out to fetch the two birds he shot. This man might end up with an honorary Darwin Award at the end of the year. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: Wakie on February 13, 2006, 09:54:44 AM I have always believed that for something to be considered a "sport" there has to be a winner and loser. I never thought of hunting as a sport because I didn't really think there was any way to lose. Thank you VP Cheney for showing me different.
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: ATFFL on February 13, 2006, 12:22:29 PM Doesn't Cheney go on hunting trips with Antonin Scalia too? :) Now Ginsberg and Souter know why he keeps inviting them along. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: A18 on February 13, 2006, 12:32:00 PM It's 'Ginsburg.'
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: ATFFL on February 13, 2006, 12:33:22 PM It's 'Ginsburg.' Or Ginny to her friends. I always do that. Knew a Ginsburg growing up on LI is why. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: Emsworth on February 13, 2006, 12:33:41 PM Anybody know if there is any criminal penalty for this? I know it was an accident but he shot a man. At the very least, Cheney should have to pick up litter on the highway :) Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: Virginian87 on February 13, 2006, 12:38:29 PM Why is everyone making such a big deal out of this?
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: J. J. on February 13, 2006, 01:05:54 PM I think the quail had links to al Qaeda. ;)
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: MODU on February 13, 2006, 01:06:52 PM Why is everyone making such a big deal out of this? Because it's "Cheney." Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: The Duke on February 13, 2006, 01:17:41 PM So much for the conservative Fox News, eh? (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,184617,00.html) From their website:
"The [Cheney] shooting is unlikely one of a dispute over politics as Burka said Whittington has strong Republican credentials. However, he is also known as an exemplary individual." Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: David S on February 13, 2006, 04:10:55 PM Looks like the VP needs to take a Hunter Safety class.
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: MODU on February 13, 2006, 04:30:08 PM hahaha . . . I love hearing the "scandal" that the DJ was mentioning on the radio over the fact that the WH didn't immediately inform the press of the accident. hahaha Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: J. J. on February 13, 2006, 05:49:43 PM Looks like the VP needs to take a Hunter Safety class. Actually, the victim does. There is a protocol for announcing that you are coming up on someone and he didn't use it. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on February 13, 2006, 08:37:28 PM hahaha . . . I love hearing the "scandal" that the DJ was mentioning on the radio over the fact that the WH didn't immediately inform the press of the accident. hahaha The press uproar has been ridiculous. If it hadn't involved the VP, this incident would have totally unnewsworthy. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: opebo on February 13, 2006, 09:19:23 PM Doesn't Cheney go on hunting trips with Antonin Scalia too? :) Now Ginsberg and Souter know why he keeps inviting them along. One doubts that intelligent liberals would engage in such an boring 'sport'. But it is a cheerful thought to think the careless VP might shoot Scalia. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy (though I'm sure the fellow shot in this case was a scumbag too). Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: YRABNNRM on February 13, 2006, 09:22:46 PM Doesn't Cheney go on hunting trips with Antonin Scalia too? :) Now Ginsberg and Souter know why he keeps inviting them along. One doubts that intelligent liberals would engage in such an boring 'sport'. But it is a cheerful thought to think the careless VP might shoot Scalia. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy (though I'm sure the fellow shot in this case was a scumbag too). Do you like the taste of Quail opebo? Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: TX_1824 on February 13, 2006, 09:33:18 PM Lets make a pool on which politician will mistakenly think this is pollitical ammunition and use it to attack the administration and/or call for Cheney's resignation. My guess it will be someone for California.
Boxer Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: opebo on February 13, 2006, 09:52:51 PM Doesn't Cheney go on hunting trips with Antonin Scalia too? :) Now Ginsberg and Souter know why he keeps inviting them along. One doubts that intelligent liberals would engage in such an boring 'sport'. But it is a cheerful thought to think the careless VP might shoot Scalia. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy (though I'm sure the fellow shot in this case was a scumbag too). Do you like the taste of Quail opebo? I must admit I have not eaten quail in many years. But I'm sure it is good. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 13, 2006, 09:57:09 PM For some reason I thought this happened yesterday. Nope, the WH sat on this for 18 hours, before the story was leaked (not by them). I guess it didn't fit the RNC talking points.
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: 7,052,770 on February 13, 2006, 11:35:04 PM this is a funny story, but there's no way anyone will try to get politicl gain out of this.
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on February 13, 2006, 11:52:10 PM I thought I'd watch Letterman for a change since Leno is delayed half an hour by the Olympics. Letterman ran this into the ground with his usual lack of subtlety. So far Biff has shot a hunter from the rafters three times and Dave hasn't even gotten to the Top 10 list.
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: J. J. on February 13, 2006, 11:54:38 PM this is a funny story, but there's no way anyone will try to get politicl gain out of this. It's not funny for the victim. :( Okay, it is for the rest of us. If it were not Dick Cheney, it might have merited a quarter of an inch in the local paper. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: J. J. on February 14, 2006, 12:08:07 AM NEWSFLASH! Over the past weekend, Senators Hilary Clinton (D-NY), John Kerry(D-MA), Barbara Boxer(D-CA), and Ted Kennedy(D-MA) all went to the bathroom. DNC Chairman Howard Dean, has refused to comment, despite being a medical doctor. Film at eleven! Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: Gabu on February 14, 2006, 12:33:35 AM Over the past weekend, Senators Hilary Clinton (D-NY), John Kerry(D-MA), Barbara Boxer(D-CA), and Ted Kennedy(D-MA) all went to the bathroom. DNC Chairman Howard Dean, has refused to comment, despite being a medical doctor. Film at eleven! Was she joined by Hillary Duff? :P Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: J. J. on February 14, 2006, 12:42:05 AM Over the past weekend, Senators Hilary Clinton (D-NY), John Kerry(D-MA), Barbara Boxer(D-CA), and Ted Kennedy(D-MA) all went to the bathroom. DNC Chairman Howard Dean, has refused to comment, despite being a medical doctor. Film at eleven! Was she joined by Hillary Duff? :P In the same bathroom, at the same time? That would be news. ;) Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 14, 2006, 02:16:32 AM Here is an excellent diary on this for people who don't just blindly ignore DailyKos diaries.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/2/13/23432/4110 Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: riceowl on February 14, 2006, 02:39:59 AM I'm kinda confused as to the fact that some people actually think the White House was obligated to tell the press about this. Now, to tell the authorities? Absolutely, and an ambulance was called immediately (I would straw man back to Chappaquiddick, but it makes me angry when people do that).
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: The Duke on February 14, 2006, 04:17:20 AM My favorite part is the the WH Press Corps thinks they had a right to be the frst to know, and are offended that some ho-hum little paaper got the first scoop.
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 14, 2006, 04:28:25 AM Isn't this at least as important as a blow job?
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: MODU on February 14, 2006, 08:07:02 AM Isn't this at least as important as a blow job? Nope. Under Texas regulations, non-fatal hunting accidents do not have to be reported to the police, let alone to the press. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: J. J. on February 14, 2006, 10:09:08 AM Isn't this at least as important as a blow job? It's substantially less important than perjury. Seriously, why should the White House have to announce this? This wasn't covered up. Nobody had to call Dick Morris and take a poll. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: J. J. on February 14, 2006, 10:19:00 AM I love this quote from the Daily Commie:
Quote In this case, Cheney and friends were killing innocent creatures who were trapped in a pen with no hope of escape. Of course the 'pen' in this case was several hundred miles of Texas. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: MODU on February 14, 2006, 10:20:40 AM I love this quote from the Daily Commie: Quote In this case, Cheney and friends were killing innocent creatures who were trapped in a pen with no hope of escape. Of course the 'pen' in this case was several hundred miles of Texas. HAHAHAH . . . shows how "enlightened" they can be sometimes. :) Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: riceowl on February 14, 2006, 01:46:07 PM Isn't this at least as important as a blow job? Don't remember him reporting that to the press either. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: memphis on February 14, 2006, 02:50:08 PM Cheney's fellow hunter has now had a heart attack due to birdshot in his heart. The plot thickens.
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: MODU on February 14, 2006, 03:02:57 PM That's just because the doctors didn't get all the bits out of the patient. Not uncommon with 'shot' injuries. Normally, the shot doesn't go too deep into the skin (remember, we want to kill the bird, not obliterate it), which is why they can normally get most of it out with tweezers. In this case, the shot entered into his heart, and the doctors didn't catch it. End result, a mild heart attack. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 14, 2006, 03:27:06 PM Cheney's fellow hunter has now had a heart attack due to birdshot in his heart. The plot thickens. Yeah, wasn't this guy supposed to have only superficial wounds? What's he still doing in the ICU? Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: riceowl on February 14, 2006, 03:28:03 PM He did. The buckshot migrated to his heart.
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: MODU on February 14, 2006, 03:29:55 PM He did. The buckshot migrated to his heart. And he was transferred out of ICU yesterday. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: riceowl on February 14, 2006, 03:31:15 PM ...but put back today when this happened.
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: Wakie on February 15, 2006, 01:20:50 PM Come on, if the guy dies will anyone really think this is the first person Dick Cheney has killed?
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: Gabu on February 15, 2006, 01:22:56 PM Come on, if the guy dies will anyone really think this is the first person Dick Cheney has killed? Dick Cheney has no need to kill people, because Dick Cheney eats the souls of the dead. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: opebo on February 15, 2006, 06:59:50 PM Come on, if the guy dies will anyone really think this is the first person Dick Cheney has killed? He has certainly caused the deaths of tens (perhaps hundreds) of thousands, in conjunction with the War Party. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: MasterJedi on February 16, 2006, 11:44:26 AM Come on, if the guy dies will anyone really think this is the first person Dick Cheney has killed? He has certainly caused the deaths of tens (perhaps hundreds) of thousands, in conjunction with the War Party. Too bad it wasn't you. :( Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: Flying Dog on February 16, 2006, 01:56:26 PM I was listening to O'Reilly on the radio for a minute (that is all I could stand). He says he couldnt belive how everyone was making a big deal out of it. He said that it didnt hurt a lot of people so we should just move on. Its funny how he was all over Bill Clinton in the scandal and that of course hurt A LOT of people. Ugh, I hate that guy.
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: MODU on February 16, 2006, 02:13:55 PM I was listening to O'Reilly on the radio for a minute (that is all I could stand). He says he couldnt belive how everyone was making a big deal out of it. He said that it didnt hurt a lot of people so we should just move on. Its funny how he was all over Bill Clinton in the scandal and that of course hurt A LOT of people. Ugh, I hate that guy. I disagree with his reasoning (as you have stated), but in reality, this isn't a big deal, or at least not as big of a deal as the media wishes to make it out to be. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: J-Mann on February 16, 2006, 02:18:10 PM Dick Cheney's not the only lousy shot
The hyperbolic criticism aimed at the vice president for his accident is off target, and misses the bigger game Thursday, February 16, 2006 The Oregonian The bird dogs finally flushed Dick Cheney. After holding for days in the thick cover of Washington, his favored habitat, the vice president burst into the air Wednesday on Fox News Channel and took responsibility for accidentally shooting his quail hunting buddy, Harry Whittington. Let him go. We have all reached our bag limit on Dick Cheney. The late-night monologues were hilarious. The Elmer Fudd cartoons were a hoot. The earnest hunter safety columns were a useful public service. Now it is just overkill. The pundits have been beating this brush for days now, searching for a covey of metaphors and deep symbolic and political meaning in a routine hunting accident. In fact, nothing's here but a hunter, a vice president, who very nearly accidentally killed a close friend. Yes, Cheney and his staff should have made public the news of the accident much sooner. Yes, the White House crudely tried to shift some of the blame to the old man lying in a Texas hospital with birdshot rattling around in his chest. And yes, Cheney is weirdly secretive and paranoid about the media -- traits surely reinforced by the hoopla during the past three days. But Cheney has taken responsibility. He said Wednesday, "You can't blame anyone else. I'm the guy who pulled the trigger and shot my friend." Cheney said he saw Whittington fall when he fired. "The image of him falling is something I'll never ever be able to get out of my mind." Can we call off the dogs now? By the way, while the nation has collectively spent the past few days with its foot up on a pickup bumper chewing the fat about Dick Cheney's shot heard 'round the world, some bigger game has loped by. On Wednesday, while everyone was dissecting the vice president's statement of regret for wounding his friend, Congress released a thick report demonstrating that failures by the Bush administration contributed to much of the death and suffering in Hurricane Katrina. Now, there's a place to hunt. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: Alcon on February 16, 2006, 02:19:10 PM The Oregonian has had some great editorials recently. Amen to that.
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 16, 2006, 02:42:34 PM Imagine if this was John Kerry. His approval rating would be about 5% after the media was done with him.
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: TomC on February 16, 2006, 03:15:18 PM Imagine if this was John Kerry. His approval rating would be about 5% after the media was done with him. John Kerry served in the military and was trained as to how to handle a gun. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 16, 2006, 03:19:05 PM Imagine if this was John Kerry. His approval rating would be about 5% after the media was done with him. John Kerry served in the military and was trained as to how to handle a gun. Don't worry, a lot of "veterans" would come out and say that he should have never passed gun training. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: J-Mann on February 16, 2006, 03:22:56 PM Imagine if this was John Kerry. His approval rating would be about 5% after the media was done with him. But it's not John Kerry. It's Dick Cheney, whose own approval rating isn't very damn high, and it has likely taken a further beating over this. I'm not going to play "Pretend what the media would do with so-and-so" ... I think it was a legitimate accident, the media has made their points about the administration's sluggishness to inform the public (on this and other matters), and the only people it should be a big deal to are Dick Cheney and the guy laying in a hospital bed with buckshot floating around in him. Other than trite comparisons to the war or administration secrecy, why would this be of much concern to anyone else? The media has made their point; they wanted (and needed) to know. Dick Cheney apologized (granted, some of you would rather he commit sepuku in an act of contrition, but that's unlikely) and took full responsibility. What more do you all want? Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 16, 2006, 03:24:07 PM Imagine if this was John Kerry. His approval rating would be about 5% after the media was done with him. But it's not John Kerry. It's Dick Cheney, whose own approval rating isn't very damn high, and it has likely taken a further beating over this. I'm not going to play "Pretend what the media would do with so-and-so" ... I think it was a legitimate accident, the media has made their points about the administration's sluggishness to inform the public (on this and other matters), and the only people it should be a big deal to are Dick Cheney and the guy laying in a hospital bed with buckshot floating around in him. Other than trite comparisons to the war or administration secrecy, why would this be of much concern to anyone else? The media has made their point; they wanted (and needed) to know. Dick Cheney apologized (granted, some of you would rather he commit sepuku in an act of contrition, but that's unlikely) and took full responsibility. What more do you all want? I want Cheney to be treated the way a Democrat would be treated. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: J-Mann on February 16, 2006, 03:31:56 PM Imagine if this was John Kerry. His approval rating would be about 5% after the media was done with him. But it's not John Kerry. It's Dick Cheney, whose own approval rating isn't very damn high, and it has likely taken a further beating over this. I'm not going to play "Pretend what the media would do with so-and-so" ... I think it was a legitimate accident, the media has made their points about the administration's sluggishness to inform the public (on this and other matters), and the only people it should be a big deal to are Dick Cheney and the guy laying in a hospital bed with buckshot floating around in him. Other than trite comparisons to the war or administration secrecy, why would this be of much concern to anyone else? The media has made their point; they wanted (and needed) to know. Dick Cheney apologized (granted, some of you would rather he commit sepuku in an act of contrition, but that's unlikely) and took full responsibility. What more do you all want? I want Cheney to be treated the way a Democrat would be treated. And where is the precedent for a Democrat accidentally shooting someone while bird hunting? Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: MODU on February 16, 2006, 03:32:22 PM Imagine if this was John Kerry. His approval rating would be about 5% after the media was done with him. John Kerry served in the military and was trained as to how to handle a gun. Don't worry, a lot of "veterans" would come out and say that he should have never passed gun training. I think he took the training with Gore: () Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: Ebowed on February 16, 2006, 03:33:50 PM The Daily Show bits on this whole story were great. Especially Rob Corddry saying "Dick Cheney is standing by his decision to shoot a 78-year-old man... in the FACE. We live in a post-9/11 world, Jon..."
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 16, 2006, 03:35:18 PM Imagine if this was John Kerry. His approval rating would be about 5% after the media was done with him. But it's not John Kerry. It's Dick Cheney, whose own approval rating isn't very damn high, and it has likely taken a further beating over this. I'm not going to play "Pretend what the media would do with so-and-so" ... I think it was a legitimate accident, the media has made their points about the administration's sluggishness to inform the public (on this and other matters), and the only people it should be a big deal to are Dick Cheney and the guy laying in a hospital bed with buckshot floating around in him. Other than trite comparisons to the war or administration secrecy, why would this be of much concern to anyone else? The media has made their point; they wanted (and needed) to know. Dick Cheney apologized (granted, some of you would rather he commit sepuku in an act of contrition, but that's unlikely) and took full responsibility. What more do you all want? I want Cheney to be treated the way a Democrat would be treated. And where is the precedent for a Democrat accidentally shooting someone while bird hunting? Just look at the way Democrats are treated. For instance this is a zillion times more important than that Sandy Burger thing. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: MODU on February 16, 2006, 03:38:47 PM Just look at the way Democrats are treated. For instance this is a zillion times more important than that Sandy Burger thing. *dies laughin* You have to share what you are smoking with the rest of the class, son. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: J-Mann on February 16, 2006, 03:43:03 PM I want Cheney to be treated the way a Democrat would be treated. And where is the precedent for a Democrat accidentally shooting someone while bird hunting? Just look at the way Democrats are treated. For instance this is a zillion times more important than that Sandy Burger thing. ... and even in that, I don't think this is important in the least, except to the people it directly affected. I know what you're saying. If a Democrat combs his hair differently, conservatives are up-in-arms about it, and their "furor" gives the media some fat to chew on. As long as the conservatives keep it up, the media keeps covering the story and the Democrat continues to get negative exposure. What could be a small detail turns out to be a huge story just because of the perpetuation of "outrage." That doesn't make it right. The points have been made. Dick Cheney is not, at least publicly, effective whatsoever. He's lampooned and ridiculed and disrespected on a pretty wide scale, and his accident has been front-page political news all over the country since Monday; all the while, there are legitimate issues to be discussed, but they're ignored in favor of this. Cheney can't do much more than he already has done, and the media and Cheney's critics need to know when to stop beating a dead horse. It's not right, no matter who does it. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 16, 2006, 03:45:49 PM I want Cheney to be treated the way a Democrat would be treated. And where is the precedent for a Democrat accidentally shooting someone while bird hunting? Just look at the way Democrats are treated. For instance this is a zillion times more important than that Sandy Burger thing. ... and even in that, I don't think this is important in the least, except to the people it directly affected. Reminds me of a certain blow job. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: J-Mann on February 16, 2006, 03:50:22 PM I want Cheney to be treated the way a Democrat would be treated. And where is the precedent for a Democrat accidentally shooting someone while bird hunting? Just look at the way Democrats are treated. For instance this is a zillion times more important than that Sandy Burger thing. ... and even in that, I don't think this is important in the least, except to the people it directly affected. Reminds me of a certain blow job. I won't disagree with that at all. In fact, the situation is somewhat similar -- Cheney and Clinton were both less than forthcoming about their respective events, which got them in deeper and deeper trouble. Clinton's was a private matter; Cheney should have been immediately forthcoming (though I do see the logic in waiting till a local paper could cover the full story -- stories with "details forthcoming" could have caused a lot of unnecessary speculation). I just think it's over, it's been apologized for, and I hope I don't have to read one more New York Times editorial on the issue. It's dumb to harp on it. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: ian on February 16, 2006, 04:28:06 PM There is a rumor that the two hunters had a beer before they went quail hunting.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/2/15/16180/2000 (I know: Daily Kos. But take it for what you will) Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 16, 2006, 04:53:21 PM There is a rumor that the two hunters had a beer before they went quail hunting. http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/2/15/16180/2000 (I know: Daily Kos. But take it for what you will) It's not a rumor that Cheney had a beer earlier in the day. Because of his heart problem even 1 beer could be a problem. Anyways, I don't know why people don't trust DailyKos. Without blogs like them you would have never heard of Paul Hackett, who seems to be popular on this board. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: J-Mann on February 16, 2006, 05:10:08 PM Anyways, I don't know why people don't trust DailyKos. Without blogs like them you would have never heard of Paul Hackett, who seems to be popular on this board. The same reason that you presumably wouldn't trust the Drudge Report, or NewsMax or Rush Limbaugh. I won't deny that there is perfectly factual information presented at DailyKos; I take issue with how it's written, which is by left-wing writers putting a left-wing spin on issues. While the "facts" presented on DailyKos might make perfect sense to you, Jfern, they're nothing but left-wing propaganda to others, no different than Fox News is for conservatives who swear it is unbiased. I also can't deny the growing influence of blogs. They're popular, and the reason they're so popular is precisely because they present the news with a certain spin. Conservatives will flock to conservative blogs and liberals will flock to liberal ones not because they're interested in looking at straight facts, reading varying opinions and deciding for themselves what to believe; they'll turn to this sort of information source because it makes them comfortable. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 16, 2006, 05:15:01 PM Anyways, I don't know why people don't trust DailyKos. Without blogs like them you would have never heard of Paul Hackett, who seems to be popular on this board. The same reason that you presumably wouldn't trust the Drudge Report, or NewsMax or Rush Limbaugh. I won't deny that there is perfectly factual information presented at DailyKos; I take issue with how it's written, which is by left-wing writers putting a left-wing spin on issues. While the "facts" presented on DailyKos might make perfect sense to you, Jfern, they're nothing but left-wing propaganda to others, no different than Fox News is for conservatives who swear it is unbiased. I also can't deny the growing influence of blogs. They're popular, and the reason they're so popular is precisely because they present the news with a certain spin. Conservatives will flock to conservative blogs and liberals will flock to liberal ones not because they're interested in looking at straight facts, reading varying opinions and deciding for themselves what to believe; they'll turn to this sort of information source because it makes them comfortable. Not really. I think the large success of the liberal blogs is that you can't get that news anywhere else, since the media is so right-wing, and the Democratic party tends to be a bit disorganized. There are major major stories that never got reported in the media, for example the Florida scrub list (well it got reported in the British media, but not the American media). Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: TX_1824 on February 16, 2006, 05:34:33 PM Imagine if this was John Kerry. His approval rating would be about 5% after the media was done with him. But it's not John Kerry. It's Dick Cheney, whose own approval rating isn't very damn high, and it has likely taken a further beating over this. I'm not going to play "Pretend what the media would do with so-and-so" ... I think it was a legitimate accident, the media has made their points about the administration's sluggishness to inform the public (on this and other matters), and the only people it should be a big deal to are Dick Cheney and the guy laying in a hospital bed with buckshot floating around in him. Other than trite comparisons to the war or administration secrecy, why would this be of much concern to anyone else? The media has made their point; they wanted (and needed) to know. Dick Cheney apologized (granted, some of you would rather he commit sepuku in an act of contrition, but that's unlikely) and took full responsibility. What more do you all want? I want Cheney to be treated the way a Democrat would be treated. And where is the precedent for a Democrat accidentally shooting someone while bird hunting? Maybe not for birds, but...... Vincent Foster Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: J. J. on February 16, 2006, 11:05:29 PM I want Cheney to be treated the way a Democrat would be treated. I don't recall a felony conviction for Chappaquiddick? In Cheney's case, he seems to have complied with the law in the jurisdiction. In the Berger case, he did not, and the judge rejected the light penalty the judge was asking. In the Kennedy case, Ted may very well have been in a state of shock, which mitigated the circumstances. This is Chappaquiddick without the failing to report a crime (and nobody died at this point). Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: ?????????? on February 17, 2006, 01:41:39 AM I want Cheney to be treated the way a Democrat would be treated. And where is the precedent for a Democrat accidentally shooting someone while bird hunting? Just look at the way Democrats are treated. For instance this is a zillion times more important than that Sandy Burger thing. ... and even in that, I don't think this is important in the least, except to the people it directly affected. Reminds me of a certain blow job. I won't disagree with that at all. In fact, the situation is somewhat similar -- Cheney and Clinton were both less than forthcoming about their respective events, which got them in deeper and deeper trouble. Clinton's was a private matter; Cheney should have been immediately forthcoming (though I do see the logic in waiting till a local paper could cover the full story -- stories with "details forthcoming" could have caused a lot of unnecessary speculation). I just think it's over, it's been apologized for, and I hope I don't have to read one more New York Times editorial on the issue. It's dumb to harp on it. The difference is Clinton broke federal law by engaging in a sexual act on federal property. I don't actually think the punishment should be severe or anything. Maybe a large fine but still it is bigger then a hunting accident. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: opebo on February 17, 2006, 07:24:54 PM The difference is Clinton broke federal law by engaging in a sexual act on federal property. You mean it is illegal to have sex in the White House? Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: ?????????? on February 17, 2006, 07:45:13 PM The difference is Clinton broke federal law by engaging in a sexual act on federal property. You mean it is illegal to have sex in the White House? Correct, in the public areas it is, not the private residence. The private residence o/c is the second floor of the WH. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: opebo on February 17, 2006, 07:51:50 PM The difference is Clinton broke federal law by engaging in a sexual act on federal property. You mean it is illegal to have sex in the White House? Correct, in the public areas it is, not the private residence. The private residence o/c is the second floor of the WH. That is most unfortunate, but unsurprising given the purritanical culture of this benighted land. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 17, 2006, 11:45:30 PM The difference is Clinton broke federal law by engaging in a sexual act on federal property. You mean it is illegal to have sex in the White House? Correct, in the public areas it is, not the private residence. The private residence o/c is the second floor of the WH. Where's this law? Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: ?????????? on February 18, 2006, 02:19:29 AM The difference is Clinton broke federal law by engaging in a sexual act on federal property. You mean it is illegal to have sex in the White House? Correct, in the public areas it is, not the private residence. The private residence o/c is the second floor of the WH. Where's this law? Well, I don't know where to link you to it. But I do know it is against federal law to engage in sexual intercourse on federal property. Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: J. J. on February 18, 2006, 06:29:24 PM I'd really have to see the statute. That could have been a defense, sorta.
Title: Re: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Post by: Alcon on February 18, 2006, 06:31:36 PM The difference is Clinton broke federal law by engaging in a sexual act on federal property. You mean it is illegal to have sex in the White House? Correct, in the public areas it is, not the private residence. The private residence o/c is the second floor of the WH. Where's this law? Well, I don't know where to link you to it. But I do know it is against federal law to engage in sexual intercourse on federal property. I can't find any significant Google mentions of this... |