Talk Elections

I've wondered this ever since 12:00 am September 12, 2001.  First, would there have been a 9/11 if Al Gore were in office, and Second, how would he have handled it.  Would he have gone into Afghanistan.  Don't mention Iraq, because we know he wouldn't have.  Would he have gone elsewhere, like into Pakistan?

Feel free to elaborate as much as you want.

He obviously would have surrendered to the terrorists and declared America to henceforth be known as New Arabia.

Seriously though, I have a feeling he'd still have invaded Afghanistan, but that he would have stayed there until the job was done and would not have invaded Iraq, making his re-election less in doubt than Bush's was.

We saw how well Clinton/Gore handled the 2-26-93 attack...do you even remember Clinton speaking about it?

OH YES:

"Before I lay out our new economic policy, let me first address the incident at the World Trade Center." - President Clinton 2/26/93

First of all, why did Clinton call it an incident rather than attack?

1. Yes, 9/11 would have happened because Presidents Carter, Bush, and Clinton made some serious errors in foriegn policy that could not easily be repaired in a mere 9 months.

2. He probably would have invaded Afghanistan in the sense that Clinton invaded Bosnia. He wouldn't have invaded Iraq because George Tenet wouldn't have given him the bogus info about WMDs that he gave Bush.

Agreed; he did quite well, considering all of those who planned and carried it out were caught and brought to justice. More than can be said about 9/11.

As to your second point, the economy and deficit were quite large problems when Clinton took office after 12 years of Republican Presidents, and compared to the small number who died in the WTC attacks, Clinton's emphasis at the time was certainly appropriate.

If we want to get into a battle of quotes, we could pull out Tom Delay and others ridiculing Clinton for going after Bin Laden, since it was distracting from the real problem facing the country at the time, which was of course the Lewinsky affair.

Obviously because Clinton was a terrorist sympathizer and closet Muslim who actually worked with the terrorists to orchestrate the attack in an attempt to cede U.S. sovereignty to the United Nations.

For one, Gore would not have used 9/11/01 as an excuse to call anyone who criticizes the Gore Administration, a traitor.

...and wouldn't have gotten away with it if he had.

Well, as the Afghanistan plan had been prepared back in the 90's, I think he definitly would have gone in - aftern 9/11 if not before in an attempt to get Bin Laden.

He might also have used the "political capital" in an effort to raise fuel standards and create a 'manhattan project" for creating cleaner energy sources which relied less (or not at all) on outside sources.

Now, how the republicans might have handled Gore being in office durring 9/11 is a different matter.  Would they have put aside partisan differences for the sake of national unity, or would they have screamed for impeachment and blocked any sort of prosecution of the war on terror unless they could use it for their political advantage.   Sadly, their history over the past decade points strongly toward the latter.

Yes, let's ignore the fact they were caught and brought to justice and just focus on what he called it at first. 

You know, I was under the impression that you judge how well someone handles something by what the person does about it, not by what the person says about it.

But then again, you're a Republican... :P

I see Saint Reagan made no mistakes. Meddling in the Iran-Iraq War definitely wasn't a mistake. It certainly wasn't the cause of all of the US's later problems in the Middle East that don't relate directly to Israel.

Probably gone after Afganistan, made some progress, made some mistakes, probably a few like the Bush Admin. probably a few of his own. He probably would have been raked by the Republicans, just as Bush is being raked now.


In other words, both parties suck, both partake in as much partisan hackery as they can get away with, let's not pretend "my party is slightly less bloated and self centered than YOUR party"

I think it is a fair bet for Afghanistan YES, Iraq NO.

I also think he would have tried to do something with Isreal.  For the 'war on terror' He would have focussed more on diplomacy and law enforcement and much less on military. And he would have made 'energy independence' a big issue. Probably would have gone for some version of the Patriot act, but not gone for the warentless wiretaps or GITMO kind of stuff.

THat is probably also how George Bush Sr. would have done things and Clinton and Kerry and pretty much any president except Bush

I didn't say he didn't make mistakes. It's just that his mistakes weren't as vital as Carter and Clinton's mistakes.

Yes... like inflaming the Cold War so to be able to act like the knight in shining armour.

(1) Of course 9/11 still would have happened.

(2) Domestically, little would be different in the Homeland Security sense.  We'd still have had ridiculous color-coded warning systems, or something similar, and we'd all be needlessly scared out of our minds.  Gore would have likely put forward and signed a watered-down version of the Patriot Act, expanding federal powers to fight terrorism.

(3) Abroad, the U.S. would have gone into Afghanistan almost immediately.  We'd have stayed out of Iraq, though I can imagine there being pressure to extend the war there by Congressional Republicans.  (Quiet at first, but getting louder around the 2002 midterms.)

I believe that we wouldn't have gone into Afganistan sooner, but Gore still would have begun a search for Bin Laden. We wouldn't have had gone to Iraq in 2003, and a good chance the Republicans would be holding atleast on chamber of Congress.

Like Clinton would have sat there listening to "My pet goat".

I think he would have gone into Afganistan, and not Iraq. Osama would not have been found by 2008 still. gore couldn't have articulated the term War on Terror.

Depends on who he surrounds himself with when he becomes President. Liberal internationalists or people like Lieberman.

Because at that moment (the day it occurred) the details were not certain.

One needs some assumptions:

1. That al-Qaeda would still have plotted the 9/11 attacks or something similar.

2. That the CIA would have figured that something was going wrong, and that al-Qaeda figures were up to no good. A favorite modus operandi of al-Qaeda was well-known, and that was the use of transportation equipment as suicide weapons.

3. That President Gore would have paid attention to CIA reports of a major security breach.

4. That he would have asked the right questions of what terrorists could do with a hijacked jetliner (such as "What damage could someone do with a hijacked commercial jet turned into a missile?)

These assumptions would have held for Gore or McCain.

9/11 could have been disrupted with mass arrests of known al-Qaeda operatives in the US. That would have been the best of all possible situations. Bad news: such would have been an excuse for harsh regimes in Russia and China to crack down on real and imagined Islamic insurgencies, causing even greater loss of life than on 9/11 over a wider period of time.

Pick your poison.
     

No; they were worse. Lebanon made us more enemies in the region than Carter and Clinton combined.

He would have blamed global warming.

He probably would have handled it similar to the way Bush did, although no invading Iraq.

I don't want to know how Gore would've handled it.

First of all, I'm not sure 9/11 would have occured under Gore's watch, since I think he might have increased security at the airports after receiving that memo in August 2001 that Biden Laden was determined to strike the U.S. by hijacking planes. However, assuming 9/11 would have still happened under Gore, Gore would have invaded Afghanistan, captured bin Laden and put him on trial in the U.S., and worked with the international community and NATO to stabilize the country. Gore would have focused much more attention (and possibly money, troops, and resources) towards Afghanistan since Gore would not have invaded Iraq, and thus the situation in Afghanistan might have been much better and more stable right now. Currently, Afghanistan might have had a strong, solid Western-leaning govt. that enforced its authority throughout the entire country and there would have been no Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan right now.