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Election Archive => 2004 U.S. Presidential Election Campaign => Topic started by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 09, 2004, 08:25:33 am



Title: Has Bush just lost himself WV?
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 09, 2004, 08:25:33 am
Bush to roll back Mining safety regulations (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/09/politics/09coal.html?ex=1249704000&en=66d75240de8efd78&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland)


Title: Re:Has Bush just lost himself WV?
Post by: True Federalist on August 09, 2004, 10:07:55 am
Not neccessarily.  It all depends upon whether the miners of WV prefer the jobs that would be created by relaxing the regulations to the health they would would gain by keeping them.  In 2000, they seemed to prefer the promise of jobs due to less regulation that Bush favorred, but who knows now.  Unfortunately, high-sulfur Appalachian coal is at a competetive diasadvantage to low-sulfur coal, so because we want cleaner air (and rightfully so IMO) the Appalachian coal mines are slumping and this measure won''t affect the underlying problems that are causing mines there to close, but it will stimulate the mines in the short term.


Title: Re:Has Bush just lost himself WV?
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 09, 2004, 11:42:36 am
Not neccessarily.  It all depends upon whether the miners of WV prefer the jobs that would be created by relaxing the regulations to the health they would would gain by keeping them.  In 2000, they seemed to prefer the promise of jobs due to less regulation that Bush favorred, but who knows now.  Unfortunately, high-sulfur Appalachian coal is at a competetive diasadvantage to low-sulfur coal, so because we want cleaner air (and rightfully so IMO) the Appalachian coal mines are slumping and this measure won''t affect the underlying problems that are causing mines there to close, but it will stimulate the mines in the short term.

There's a difference between enviromental regulation and safety regulation... people in mining communities generally don't like the former, but are (not suprisingly) in favour of latter...
This news moves WV from Kerry-S[light]F[avourite] to Kerry M[arginal], IMO.

As far as the future of the coal industry goes, I think that there should be attempts to increase the number of miners and mines, while decreasing the amount of coal being produced.
I also think that all Appalachian mines should be made into worker co-operatives (ala Tower Colliery in South Wales) and become community driven not profits driven.


Title: Re:Has Bush just lost himself WV?
Post by: bejkuy on August 11, 2004, 12:56:52 pm
Hey AL,


As fellow individual from a coal mining town (#1 industry in Centralia, WA), I too have interest in such things.

You should read the this analysis from slate.

http:/.slate.com/id/2102496/entry/2102497/




Title: Re:Has Bush just lost himself WV?
Post by: bejkuy on August 11, 2004, 12:58:08 pm
Sorry if the link doesn't work.  I'm lousy with computers.  If you do a google search under politics, slate, swingers you will come up with it.


Title: Re:Has Bush just lost himself WV?
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 13, 2004, 02:04:57 pm
Hey AL,


As fellow individual from a coal mining town (#1 industry in Centralia, WA), I too have interest in such things.

Centralia is a *very* unfortunate name for a coal town... :(