Talk Elections

I drew names out of a hat to determine the order. Each race will be run four times (one at a time though). Only the top 4 Republicans and top 4 Democrats will advance from this round.
Races 1 and 2 include dynamism, 3 and 4 do not (all include regionalism).

Republicans:             1)       2)        3)       4)      Total
(5) MHS2002:          334    334     340     357     1365
(3) Mr. Hobbes:       265    346      333    353     1297
(1) Bullmoose88:     293    296      332    363     1284
(7) WMS:                 279    291      273    260     1103
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(2) RReagan4Ever:  271    262      273    290     1096
(9) StatesRights:     317    295      227     256    1095
(4) Josh22:              278    263     271     273     1085
(8) Floridude:          312    268     197      259     1036
(6) PBrunsel:           205    239     188      242      874


Advanced:
MHS2002
Mr. Hobbes
Bullmoose88
WMS

Eliminated:
RReagan4Ever
StatesRights
Josh22
Floridude
PBrunsel

Democrats:               1)       2)         3)      4)      Total
(4) Hughento:          333    299     350     296    1278
(2) Gabu:                 226    270    341      279     1116  
(6) ThePrezMex:       260    275    267     265    1067
(1) Nation:               221    243     311     282    1057
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(8) Ilikeverin:           267    276     265     248    1056
(3) Handzus26:       259    247     265      278    1049
(9) Akno21:             245    242     206     175      868
(7) BRTD:                 273    192     205     185      855
(5) Harry:                204    204     198     181      787      



Advanced:
Hughento
Gabu
ThePrezMex
Nation

Eliminated:
Ilikeverin
Handzus26
Akno21
BRTD
Harry

MHS vs. Harry Race #1

(R): MHS2002: Pettit/Cuthbert: 334, 68,367,713, 54%
(D): Harry: Nelson/Kirk: 204, 55,772,811, 44%

Close Races:
Michigan: Harry wins 50.0-49.9
New Hampshire: MHS wins 49.2-48.7
Mississippi: MHS wins 50.2-49.6
Virginia: Harry wins 50.5-49.3
Rhode Island: Harry wins 50.5-49.3

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You both lost your homestates...

I gotta say, I was pretty surprised by this one...

Mr. Hobbes/BRTD Race #1:

(D): BRTD: Nelson/Obama: 273, 63,610,381, 51%
(R): Mr. Hobbes: Hobbes/Ryan: 265, 60,693,815, 48%

Closest Race:
Wyoming: Hobbes wins 52.0-47.8

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Wow.

And that's gotta be one of the weirdest maps I've ever seen :o

That's a really weird race there...

Josh22 vs. ThePrezMex Race #1:

(R): Josh22: Craddock/Bush: 278, 63,882,781, 51%
(D): ThePrezMex: Martinez/Bayh: 260, 60,697,407, 48%

Closest state:
Iowa: Craddock wins 51.7-48.2


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WOW I lost my home state :( But i won :P

Josh wins Il but loses IN that makes no sense.

Another surprise...chalk this one to dynamism.

StatesRights vs. Nation Race #1:

(R): StatesRights: Wallnofer/Morgan: 317, 64,112,207, 51%
(D): Nation: Nation/Wrywas: 221, 60,314,439, 48%

Closest state:
Oregon: States wins 50.6-49.1

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I would win Arkansas, Tennessee and Virginia...no idea how I won CA! How much did I win CA by?

That's probably all the races for tonight. I'll start it up again tomorrow.

A lot. The first two times are being played with dynamism on, which accounts for the weird maps. Nation was winning CA the whole time until you made a 20 point swing on him the last week. I think the margin was 56-43 or something in that range.

Did any scandals break?

That has to be one of the most bizarre electoral vote distributions that I've ever seen: BRTD loses California and Washington but makes up for it by somehow winning both Texas and Kansas.

Dynamism certainly does some very weird things.

The percentages are odd as well.

I think Nation had a couple of scandals on him. I don't you had any (either that or the scandals were minor ones).

Wow....I lost the entire Midwest?

Well, here's to the Hobbes/Ryan bandwagon swinging victory in round two!

how could you beat Obama and I's classic Midwestern populism? :D

Bullmoose88 vs. Akno21 Race #1:

(R): Bullmoose88: Arage/McCain: 293, 65,243,199, 52%
(D): Akno21: Knobel/Moore: 245, 59,156,965, 47%

Closest Race:
Iowa: Akno21 wins 50.2-49.6

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RReagan4Ever vs. Ilikeverin Race #1:

(R): RReagan4Ever: Eversole/G. P. Bush: 271, 60,202,959, 48%
(D): Ilikeverin: 267, 64,219,812, 51%

Closest Race:
Arizona: RReagan4Ever wins 50.5-49.4

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Ouch.  Arizona was this election's Florida, eh?

WMS vs. Handzus26 Race #1:

(R): WMS: Slayn/Talent: 279, 61,504,631, 49%
(D): Handzus26: Guinan/Edwards: 259, 62,651,158, 50%

Closest Race:
Ohio: WMS wins 52.6-47.3

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i hope my race is a little more settled... :D

If you ever do this again I'd like to get included...

Abortion: C

Affirmative Action: R

Balanced Budget: C

Business Tax: C

Campaign Finance Reform: L

Ecology: C

Education: R

Free Trade: R

Gun Control: CR

Same-Sex Marriage: CL

Immigration: CL

Military Funding: C

Military Intervention: CL

Personal Tax: C

Public Health Care: CL

Renewable Energy: CL

Social Security: CR

Terrorism: CR

Name: Gustaf Lungren, Minnesota, governor

VP: Wesley Clark, +1 Leadership, Arkansas.

Leadership: 3

Experience: 3

Issue Familiarity: 4

Integrity: 3

Debating: 5

Charisma: 3

Stamina: 4

:'(

PBrunsel vs. Hughento Race #1:

(D): Hughento: Bartlett/Sanchez: 333, 67,137,210, 53%
(R): PBrunsel: Brunsel/Schwarzkopf: 205, 57,255,292, 45%

Close Races:
Oklahoma: PBrunsel wins 50.0-49.8
Kansas: PBrunsel wins 50.1-49.6
New Jersey: PBrunsel wins 50.4-49.4

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I did pretty good for running with Michael Moore.

hey cool-is that the biggest D win so far? :D

Darn lost Iowa!

Floridude vs. Gabu Race #1:

(R): Floridude: Kowaleski/Owens: 312, 62,715,056, 50%
(D): Gabu: Longley/Graham: 226, 61,798,304, 49%

Close races:
New Hampshire: Floridude wins 50.0-48.8
California: Floridude wins 51.4-48.4 (Gabu led by 2 going into the final day)

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Well, that's all the updates for today. More tomorrow, of course.

The Democrats don't exactly seem to be doing so hot.

[arrogant moment]

*cough*

[/arrogant moment]

Yes, besides you. :P

;D

Part 1 Average Republican Score: 283.8
Democrats: 254.2

Dems should do better in part 2. Both Gabu and Nation were hit hard by dynamism.

Did I have some big scandal come to light or something?

I don't think so. Usually, I just race through the game without paying too close attention, so I can't be totally sure, but I don't think anything totally out of the ordinary happened. You were leading for most of the race, but suddenly dropped like a rock. Very strange.

Weird... oh well.

What the heck was this, 1888? ;) Augh! I lost my home state! :(

MHS2002 vs. Harry Race #2:

(R): MHS2002: Pettit/Cuthbert: 334, 66,239,773, 53%
(D): Harry: Nelson/Kirk: 204, 58,229,022, 46%

Close Races:
California: MHS wins 50.1-49.8
North Carolina: MHS wins 50.3-49.7

So, a few votes here and there, and Harry wins 274-264 (if it's any consolation).

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Mr. Hobbes vs. BRTD Race #2:

(R): Mr. Hobbes: Hobbes/Ryan: 346, 68,114,863, 54%
(D): BRTD: Nelson/Obama: 192, 56,639,384, 45%

Closeset Race:
Hawaii: BRTD wins 51.2-48.6

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Josh22 vs. ThePrezMex Race #2:

(D): ThePrezMex: Martinez/Bayh: 275, 61,498,697, 49%
(R): Josh22: Craddock/Bush: 263, 62,650,946, 50%

Closest State:
South Carolina: Josh22 wins 53.1-46.8

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StatesRights vs. Nation Race #2:

(R): StatesRights: Wallnofer/Morgan: 295, 63,501,724, 50%
(D): Nation: Nation/Wrywas: 243, 60,733,761, 49%

States continues to surprise...

Closest State:
Minnesota: States wins 52.8-45.8

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Bullmoose88 vs. Akno21 Race #2:

(R): Bullmoose88: Arage/McCain: 296, 65,318,526, 52%
(D): Akno21: Knobel/Moore: 242, 58,721,426, 47%

Closest State:
New York: Bullmoose wins 51.8-47.9

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RReagan4Ever vs. Ilikeverin Race #2;

(D): Ilikeverin: Ilikeverin/Dayton: 276, 59,819,068, 48%
(R): RReagan4Ever: Eversole/G. P. Bush: 262, 64,488,024, 51%

Closest State:
Maryland: Ilikeverin wins 52.2-47.7

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:o :o :o

I won!  I won!  I actually won! :o

(although I lost the PV ;))

My views on the 10th Amendment are clearly winning me important states. :) :P

WMS vs. Handzus26 Race #2:

(R): WMS: Slayn/Talent: 291, 65,781,227, 52%
(D): Handzus26: Guinan/Edwards: 247, 58,110,212, 46%

Closest State:
New York: WMS wins 53.2-46.6

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PBrunsel vs. Hughento Race #2:

(D): Hughento: Bartlett/Sanchez: 299, 64,150,627, 51%
(R): PBrunsel: Brunsel/Schwarzkopf: 239, 64,150,627, 48%

Close States:
Florida: PBrunsel wins 49.1-48.7
New Hampshire: Hughento wins 50.6-49.2

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Floridude vs. Gabu Race #2:

(D): Gabu: Longley/Graham: 270, 62,042,168, 49%
(R): Floridude: Kowaleski/Owens: 268, 62,107,664, 49%

Closest State:
Indiana: Floridude wins 50.1-49.7

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MHS2002 vs. Harry Race #3:

(R): MHS2002: Pettit/Cuthbert: 340, 66,888,601, 53%
(D): Harry: Nelson/Kirk: 198, 57,435,425, 46%

Close States:
Pennsylvania: Harry wins 50.6-48.8
Nevada: Harry wins 50.9-48.9

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Mr. Hobbes vs. BRTD Race #3:

(R): Mr. Hobbes: Hobbes/Ryan: 333, 65,300,653, 52%
(D): BRTD: Nelson/Obama: 205, 59,276,940. 47%

Closest State:
Pennsylvania: Hobbes wins 50.5-48.8

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Josh22 vs. ThePrezMex Race #3:

(R): Josh22: Craddock/Bush: 271, 62,953,479, 50%
(D): ThePrezMex: Martinez/Bayh: 267, 61,387,096, 49%

Closest State:
Iowa: Craddock wins 52.5-47.2

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...well I'm doing just great

StatesRights vs. Nation Race #3:

(D): Nation: Nation/Wrywas: 311, 64,076,318, 51%
(R): StatesRights: Wallnofer/Morgan: 227, 60,396,555, 48%

Closest State:
Michigan: Nation wins 52.2-47.6

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I finally went down. :(

Bullmoose88 vs. Akno21 Race #3:

(R): Bullmoose88: Arage/McCain: 332, 64,905,089, 52%
(D): Akno21: Knobel/Moore: 206, 59,229,622, 47%

Closest State:
Minnesota: Bullmoose wins 51.1-48.6

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Apparently, Utah and Idaho must really hate Akno for them to embrace me with 70% of the vote.

>P

I guess it was an A.B.A. vote

RReagan4Ever vs. Ilikeverin Race #3:

(R): RReagan4Ever: Eversole/G. P. Bush: 273, 64,522,377, 51%
(D): Ilikeverin: Ilikeverin/Dayton: 265, 59,771,070, 48%

Closest State:
Nevada: RReagan4Ever wins 50.5-49.3

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All of my races have been really close... and could have been decided by the closest state.

Cool :)

PS Is it just me, or am I not doing that bad for a 7th seed? ;)

A lot of people hate me. If we ever do this again I'm not running with Michael Moore, and I'm making myself much more charismatic than I actually am.

hey cool i'm still undefeated :)

WMS vs. Handzus26 Race #3:

(R): WMS: Slayn/Talent: 273, 62,699,146, 50%
(D): Handzus26: Guinan/Edwards: 265, 61,325,088, 49%

Closest State:
Wisconsin: WMS wins 52.2-47.5

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PBrunsel vs. Hughento Race #3:

(D): Hughento: Bartlett/Sanchez: 350, 66,392,110, 53%
(R): PBrunsel: Brunsel/Schwarzkopf: 188, 58,185,591, 46%

Close Races:
West Virginia: Hughento wins 50.0-49.9
Virginia: Hughento wins 50.2-49.6

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Floridude vs. Gabu Race #3:

(D): Gabu: Longley/Graham: 341, 66,156,617, 53%
(R): Floridude: Kowaleski/Owens: 197, 58,428,715, 46%

Close States:
Tennessee: Floridude wins 50.1-49.7
Oklahoma: Floridude wins 50.6-49.3

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Phew!  Just scraped through there.  Would you happen to know what the closest state was that I won?  I'm wondering what my Florida was. ;)


That's a bit better. :D

This is just great, Iowa goes Democratic always (even against PBrunsel) except with me! - that cost me the election!
But, I'll be careful for what I wish. The last time I was begging to win NH and I did it at the expense of losing TX!! So, I don't really care about Iowa, I just want another important state.

Hmm...well I've only been posting races that were within 2% of each other, so I don't think it was that close...usually the closest is about a 5% margin or so, so I don't think you had to sweat any states out. Couldn't tell you which state it was though, Sorry.

No problem, I was just curious.

Seven in a row! Sorry, PBrunsel-luck of the draw :S

I'm the best D and the second best overall-MHS2002 winning of course. I will not accuse him of cheating tho ;)

MHS2002 vs. Harry #4:

(R): MHS2002: Pettit/Cuthbert: 357, 66,460,586, 53%
(D): Harry: Nelson/Kirk: 181, 57,702,142, 46%

Closest State:
Ohio: Harry wins 51.6-48.3

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Mr. Hobbes vs. BRTD Race #4:

(R): Mr. Hobbes: Hobbes/Ryan: 353, 67,608,060, 54%
(D): BRTD: Nelson/Obama: 185, 56,840,292, 45%

Close States:
Connecticut: BRTD wins 50.9-48.9
Ohio: BRTD wins 50.9-48.9

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Josh22 vs. ThePrezMex Race #4:

(R): Josh22: Craddock/Bush: 273, 62,990,251, 50%
(D): ThePrezMex: Martinez/Bayh: 265, 61,525,435, 49%

Closest State:
Iowa: Josh22 wins 52.8-47.0

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StatesRights vs. Nation Race #4:

(D): Nation: Nation/Wrywas: 282, 63,031,663, 50%
(R): StatesRights: Wallnofer/Morgan: 256, 61,171,882, 49%

Closest State:
North Carolina: Nation wins 51.4-48.5

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Bullmoose88 vs. Akno21 Race #4:

(R): Bullmoose88: Arage/McCain: 363, 68,195,956, 54%
(D): Akno21: Knobel/Moore: 175, 56,145,255, 45%

Close States:
Vermont: Akno wins 50.2-49.6
Illinois: Akno wins 50.5-49.4

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RReagan4Ever vs. Ilikeverin Race #4:

(R): RReagan4Ever: Eversole/G. P. Bush: 290, 64,114, 488, 51%
(D): Ilikeverin: Ilikeverin/Dayton: 248, 60,098,023, 48%

Close States:
Hawaii: Ilikeverin wins 50.6-49.4
Missouri: RReagan4Ever wins 50.6-49.2

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WMS vs. Handzus26 Race #4:

(D): Handzus26: Guinan/Edwards: 278, 60,807,905, 48%
(R): WMS: Slayn/Talent: 260, 63,354,974, 50%

Closest State:
Maryland: Handzus wins 51.4-48.5

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Darn >P

If only I had got 2 more EVs, I would pretty much be set :P

Pretty much. As it stands right now, you'll miss the next round by one vote.

Exactly.

Can't you make a special exception for the closeness of it all? ;)

Or you could weight by seeding :D

so no wins for me...

PBrunsel vs. Hughento Race #4:

(D): Hughento: Bartlett/Sanchez: 296, 65,828,233, 52%
(R): PBrunsel: Brunsel/Schwarzkopf: 242, 58,603,435, 47%

Close States:
Ohio: PBrunsel wins 50.0-49.8
Iowa: Hughento wins 50.8-49.0

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Hmm...something tells me Nation really wouldn't be too fond of that idea. ;)

But I would, and I'm the only one that matters to you right now :D

*tries to look young and helpless*

Sorry Verin but it looks like your P4E run has come up one EV short...

Floridude vs. Gabu Race #4:

(D): Gabu: Longley/Graham: 279, 64,543,733, 51%
(R): Floridude: Kowaleski/Owens: 259, 59,584,231, 47%

Closest State:
Tennessee: Gabu wins 51.9-47.5

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Nation: 1057
Ilikeverin: 1056

Ouch!  That sucks.

The second round of the Atlas President Forever Championship has come to a close. Those who advanced are as follows:

Republicans:                        Democrats:
MHS2002                             Hughento
Mr. Hobbes                          Gabu
Bullmoose88                        ThePrezMex
WMS                                    Nation

My only question now is how to determine the matchups for the next round. I'm looking at 3 options right now, you guys let me know which one you think is best.

Option 1:
Seed players based solely on first round results, which would yield the following matchups:

#1R Bullmoose88 vs. #6D ThePrezMex
#3R Mr. Hobbes vs. #4D Hughento
#5R MHS2002 vs. #2D Gabu
#7R WMS vs. #1D Nation

Option 2:
Seed players based solely on second round results, which would yield the following matchups:

#1R MHS2002 vs. #4D: Nation
#2R Mr. Hobbes vs. #3D: ThePrezMex
#3R Bullmoose88 vs. #2D: Gabu
#4R WMS vs. #1D: Hughento

Option 3:
Seed players based on their combined first and second round scores, which would yield the following matchups:

#1R Bullmoose88 vs. #4D ThePrezMex
#2R MHS2002 vs. #3D Hughento
#3R Mr. Hobbes vs. #2D Nation
#4R WMS vs. #1D Gabu

Let me know which method you think would be the most sensible, and most fair.

Well, i'd like number 2, but #1 is OK

Go Hughento!

And Nation had better lose spectacuarly >P ;)

What were the total results?

See the first page of the thread.

I would personally like the situation in option 3 most, but since round 1 was against generic far-left/right candidates whereas round 2 was against real candidates, it would seem to me that the results in round 2 reflect reality more than the results in round 1, so we should go with those (option 2).

:P Eager for me to lose, young one?

I got a majority of the popular vote but lost the electoral vote? Boo! Hiss! Fraud! And everything else the Dems have said about Bush for the past four years! :P

I wanted a matchup with you not because I thought you'd lose, but I pretty much know that MHS or Bullmoose would kill me, so I want at least a fighting chance. :P

How about:

A) 1r) MHS2002 vs. 2d) Gabu
B) 2r) Mr. Hobbes vs. 1d) Hughento
C) 3r) Bullmoose88 vs. 4d) Nation
D) 4r) WMS vs. 3d) ThePrezMex

then, after the four races, the winners of A) and B) have a round off, and the losers of A) and B) play the winners or C) and D); with the losers of C) and D) eliminated.

So, for example:

MHS2002 defeats Hughento
Gabu defeats Mr. Hobbes
Nation defeats Bullmoose88
WMS defeats ThePrezMex

ThePrezMex and Bullmoose are eliminated, MHS2002 and Gabu are through to the semi-final.

Hughento then plays the winner of C), depending on the result. If the GOPper wins, then thats the race he runs in, but if it's a democrat, he and the democrat who won C) will both play against a slightly harder generic GOPper, who is all SR instead of all R. The best totals for both hm and the Democrtic winner of C) are compared, and the one witrh the better total goes through. This is the same if there is too GOPpers, and also for races B) and D).

After this, you'd have MHS2002, Gabu, and, presuming they won, Hughento and Mr. Hobbes in the semi finals. Here, the Democrats play the GOPpers each 2 times, once with Dynamism and once without, and the best of the two groups go through to the final. If there is only one democrat left, then the three GOPpers play them 45 times each, and the Democrat goes straight through to the final anyway. This is the same if there is only one GOPper left, obviously.

Thn, the final is the best D versus the best R, in a best 7 match tournament, first to 4 winning.

Complex, but fair, imho :D

Hmm...well I'm still not sure about how to go about this next round; I'm still kicking around ideas in my head. That said, round 3 probably won't start until Sunday or Monday as I am preparing to move back to college. The updates won't come as quickly as they have been, but believe me, this will get done.