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Title: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on June 14, 2008, 12:56:02 AM
-In a suprise for all in election night, John McCain becomes the 44Th President of the United States. The Democrats say that the Libertarians acted as the Ralph Nader of 2008 others say it was Hillary's supporters that made Obama loose, here's the official map of the US election of 2008. The closest state was Colorado which barley went to the Republicans, if it had went to Obama, he would have barley won th election by 2 Electoral Votes but that didn't happen and now we have President-Elect McCain.

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Barack Obama/Bill Richardson(49%-261 EV)
John McCain/Bobby Jindal(47%-277 EV)
Bob Barr/Wayne Root(4%-0 EV)


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on June 14, 2008, 01:01:32 AM
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John McCain's victory speech pointed out that he would try to appease the Democrats and also to have a Bipartisan cabinet to try and "Unite" the two waring party's, he would have to because he would be stuck with a Democratic Congress and a bare minimun Republican controlled Senate for at least till the Senate and Congressional elections in 2010.


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on June 14, 2008, 01:14:18 AM
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Barack Obama and Bill Richardson flew to Iowa, were Obama's road to the nomination and a hopefull presidency began to give their farwell speech across the nation. Barack Obama gave a strong farwell to the American people but said that change didn't fail, that only that all the people that supported change had lit a fire under change and had begun a revolution of sorts, with "Change" Democrats being elected to the House and the Senate, it did seem Change hadn't died and the Democrats were now ready to fight with the new President-Elect McCain for their loss in 2008 all the way to the 2012 election.


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Robespierre's Jaw on June 14, 2008, 05:52:42 AM
-In a suprise for all in election night, John McCain becomes the 44Th President of the United States. The Democrats say that the Libertarians acted as the Ralph Nader of 2008 others say it was Hillary's supporters that made Obama loose, here's the official map of the US election of 2008. The closest state was Colorado which barley went to the Republicans, if it had went to Obama, he would have barley won th election by 2 Electoral Votes but that didn't happen and now we have President-Elect McCain.

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Barack Obama/Bill Richardson(49%-261 EV)
John McCain/Bobby Jindal(47%-277 EV)
Bob Barr/Wayne Root(4%-0 EV)

Care to explain the 2008 Electoral College map Andy?

Whilst I know in your scenario that the Libertarians play the Nader role in this Election, but in my mind it would be highly unlikely that Obama would be able to pick up Indiana and Florida and yet lose Oregon, Minnesota and Pennsylvania at the same time. Obama either wins the latter or he does not.


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Hash on June 14, 2008, 06:49:39 AM
-In a suprise for all in election night, John McCain becomes the 44Th President of the United States. The Democrats say that the Libertarians acted as the Ralph Nader of 2008 others say it was Hillary's supporters that made Obama loose, here's the official map of the US election of 2008. The closest state was Colorado which barley went to the Republicans, if it had went to Obama, he would have barley won th election by 2 Electoral Votes but that didn't happen and now we have President-Elect McCain.

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Barack Obama/Bill Richardson(49%-261 EV)
John McCain/Bobby Jindal(47%-277 EV)
Bob Barr/Wayne Root(4%-0 EV)

Care to explain the 2008 Electoral College map Andy?

Whilst I know in your scenario that the Libertarians play the Nader role in this Election, but in my mind it would be highly unlikely that Obama would be able to pick up Indiana and Florida and yet lose Oregon, Minnesota and Pennsylvania at the same time. Obama either wins the latter or he does not.

Especially considering that Florida's demographics are horrible for Obama and he would probably lose it even if he won the election.


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on June 14, 2008, 02:48:37 PM
Okay here's the revised map of the 2008 election.

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Barack Obama/Bill Richardson(49%-262 EV)
John McCain/Bobby Jindal(47%-276 EV)
Bob Barr/Wayne Root(4%-0 EV)

-Indiana( It has a large population of blacks in the very northern part of the state, also Obama was strong with the populated cities, the Indianapolis-Carmel Metropolitan Area was a strong area for Obama and he squeaked into a victory.)
-Florida(I'll give that to McCain)
-Oregon(That will go to Obama)
-Minnesota(The Republicans squeaked in a victory there after heavy campaigning)
-Pennsylvania(McCain makes some roads in the state but still goes to Obama by about 7%)


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Hash on June 14, 2008, 02:53:43 PM
Unlikely that any candidate does not win a state with less than 40%


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on June 14, 2008, 03:01:54 PM
Unlikely that any candidate does not win a state with less than 40%
Okay I changed it from 30% to 40% in Pennsylvania and Minnesota.


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on June 14, 2008, 03:17:37 PM
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January 20Th, 2009 had arrived and former President-Elect McCain would officially become the 44Th President of the US. Several days after election night, it became clear to the Republicans that they were in for a battle with the Liberal media, a Democratic House and secrets still circulating about the possibility of the Republicans rigging the 2008 still floated by. Now President McCain's plan to remain in Iraq until a clear victory was a sour taste for the Democrats and the 100 years in Iraq came to mind many times, as for Barack Obama, he returns to Illinois in peace as a "Draft Obama" for the Illinois Governorship circulates in the state. For now the Republicans are guaranteed 4 more years in office.


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on June 14, 2008, 03:32:58 PM
No way Obama wins IN but loses MI, MN, NH, and PA.


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on June 14, 2008, 03:40:23 PM
No way Obama wins IN but loses MI, MN, NH, and PA.
As I said Obama barley looses in Minnesota and Pennsylvania, also polls do show that McCain barley wins Michigan and the Libertarian spoiler only makes a McCain victory their more larger. As for New Hampshire I could change that to Obama but I do see a close victory in NH by McCain.


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on June 14, 2008, 03:40:57 PM
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March 24Th, 2010:After only a little over a year in office, President McCain suffered a heart attack, he would be rushed to the nearest hospital but it wouldn't help, President McCain died on the way to the hospital. Vice President Bobby Jindal would be confirmed of the death of John McCain and that he would become the 45Th President of the US. Bobby Jindal was quickly sworn in at the Vice Presidential Office, he soon went out to the West Front were so many Presidents had been sworn in at to give a speech over what had happened today. He would point out the tragedy of this event and that America most mourn but also continue what the former John McCain wanted to do. President McCain would go down into the record books as the oldest presidents and the 2ND shortest presidency's, he would also be remembered by his "Winning with Honor" strategy in Iraq, creating a Gas Tax Holiday which was criticized by the media and the Democrats and the tax cuts he made.


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on June 14, 2008, 04:05:08 PM
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Illinois, the home state of Barack Obama would show the "Draft Obama" would work and a reluctant Obama would declare he would run for the Governorship of Illinois, only a week after Incumbent Governor Rod Blagojevich announced he wouldn't run in 2010 and left his Lt.Governor Pat Quinn to declare he was also running for the Illinois Governorship. As for the Republican side, Bill Brady, a Senator who ran for the Republican nominee in 2006 was the main frontrunner there and easily took the Republican nomination for the Illinois Governorship and chose Carbondale Mayor Brad Cole as his Lt.Governor. The Democrats had a struggle for power with Barack Obama and Pat Quinn but after Obama took the lead, Quinn dropped out and endorsed Obama. Barack Obama would only have token resistance against him and chose the incumbent Lt.Governor Pat Quinn as his Lt.Governor. Now the eve of the Illinois Gubernational Election many say that Obama is a shoe in for Governor but could Obama's loss in the 2008 US election make him lose this election as well?


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on June 14, 2008, 04:43:48 PM
The Illinois Gubernational Election of 2010
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D-Barack Obama/Pat Quinn(49%)
R-Bill Brady/Brad Cole(46%)
G-Julie Samuels/Rodger Jennings(5%)


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on June 14, 2008, 09:23:15 PM
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The conflict that had been forseen for some time now, Iranian President Mahmūd Ahmadinejād declared a "complete cleansing of all the evil Jews from Israel" Missles rained from the sky and onto Israel, which Israeli forces sent their air force to attack in quick retaliation against Iran. Soon pro Israel sentiment grew very quickly in the US and President Jindal pushed thru the declaration of war against Iran. US forces in Iraq and newly deployed troops met up with Israeli forces and pushed into the Iranian homeland, they took out the Iranian missile complexes and began their push towards Tehran.



Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Hash on June 14, 2008, 09:29:38 PM
How did Mahmūd Ahmadinejād get re-elected, given his current relative unpopularity?


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on June 14, 2008, 09:38:39 PM
How did Mahmūd Ahmadinejād get re-elected, given his current relative unpopularity?
The major force behind his reelection was mainly speculated as him rigging the election in Iran to stay in power, which riots flared up but were crushed by Iranian forces, this would lead to a major factor in the end to the Iran War with the Iranian Democratic rebels rising up and siding with the US and the allied nations.


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on June 14, 2008, 09:45:11 PM
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After several months into the Iranian War(Iran War), the US and allied forces had slowly converged on Tehran and regular air raids on the city were normal, but Iranian President Mahmūd Ahmadinejād would not give into the slowly encroaching forces. As for the US homefront people staged protests against the Iran War. The US forces were stalling at the edge of the city of Tehran, which would be called the Tehran Wall and this made many people speculate how long US forces will be in Iran.


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on June 14, 2008, 10:41:34 PM
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The Tehran Wall was still a problem for allied forces but a large uprising in Tabriz would lead to up flares of Democratic forces, letting allied forces to creep ever closer to Tehran. The new year 2011, was fast approaching and President Bobby Jindal had to find a way to win the Iran War. Now with democratic Iranian rebels on the allied side, military forces move closer to complete the "Anaconda" Plan to encircle Tehran and capture Mahmud Ahmadinejad and ultimately trie him for war crimes.


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on June 15, 2008, 05:52:05 PM
After seven months of heavy fighting in Iran by allied forces, they have broke through the Tehran Wall and have taken the city but Mahmud Ahmadinejad has escaped to the inner part of Iran, but there is strong hope that the allied forces now can easily take the rest of the country. By the eight month of the Iran War, allied forces have enclosed supply lines to the major Iranian pockets of resistance and the end is now inevitable. The nineth month showed the capture of Mahmud Ahmadinejad and his trial by the UN and the establishment of three zones: The US/Israeli Occupied Zone, the UN Zone and the Republic of Iran(Persia), the troops will be coming home soon.


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on June 15, 2008, 06:09:34 PM
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It is a celebratory day for America, the troops are coming home from Iran with victory held high and a hope for a stable Middle East. President Jindal gives a speech over all that has happened over the nine months of war with Iran and a victory in Iran means a victory for democracy.


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on June 15, 2008, 06:30:46 PM
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Now midway through 2011, candidates apear for the Democratic nominee ranging from Russ Feingold to Howard Dean. With this surge of people, the Democrats hope to capture the White House in 2012.

Demcratic Candidates
-Russ Feingold(Senator from Wisconsin)
-Bill Richardson(VP nominee in 2008, Former Governor of New Mexico)
-Howard Dean(DNC party Chairman)
-Rod Blagojevich(Former Governor of Illinois)
-Joe Biden(Senate Pro Tempore)
-Barbara Boxer(Senator from California)

Other campaigns have gotten underway as well.

Green Candidates
-Kent Mesplay(Green Party delegate)
-Dennis Kucinich(Former Congressman from Ohio)
-Pat LaMarche(VP nominee in 2004)
Libertarian Candidates
-Gary Johnson(Former Governor of New Mexico)
-Mike Gravel(Former Senator from Alaska
-Wayne Root(VP nominee in 2008)
-Mary Ruwart(Activist)
Constitution Candidates
-Darell Castle(VP nominee in 2008)
-Jerome Corsi(Conservative Writer)
-Jim Clymer(CNC party Chairsman)


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on June 23, 2008, 09:02:11 PM
As the Democrats have a hard and mixed beginning of their primary season, President Bobby Jindal has little opposition to the road for the Republican nomination, only having to face Mitt Romney, who drops out after losing Iowa and New Hampshire. The major front runners for the Democratic nomination are Bill Richardson, Russ Feingold and Joe Biden.


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on June 30, 2008, 11:39:14 AM
Delegate Tally
Russ Feingold - 90 Delegates
Bill Richardson - 54 Delegates
Joe Biden - 53 Delegates
Howard Dean - 21 Delegates
Barbara Boxer - 6 Delegates


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on June 30, 2008, 09:15:58 PM
After the first five primaries ended, Super Tuesday was now ahead but not all the candidates would last that long. After a fight in all of the primaries, Barbara Boxer and Howard Dean officially announced they were dropping out from the presidential race then leaving Feingold, Biden and Richardson in the race.

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Primaries won by Russ Feingold
Primaries won by Bill Richardson
Super Tuesday Primaries


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on July 02, 2008, 09:21:01 PM
Here's Part 1 of the Super Tuesday Primary Results

Montana Primary Results-23 Delegates at stake
1st-Bill Richardson (43% - 11 Delegates)
2nd-Russ Feingold (38% - 8 Delegates)
3rd-Joe Biden (19% - 4 Delegates)

New Jersey Primary Results-128 Delegates at stake
1st-Russ Feingold (48% - 55 Delegates)
2nd-Joe Biden (30% - 42 Delegates)
3rd-Bill Richardson (23% - 30 Delegates)

California Primary Results-442 Delegates at stake
1st-Bill Richardson (42% - 191 Delegates)
2nd-Russ Feingold (38% - 148 Delegates)
3rd-Joe Biden (20% - 103 Delegates)

Michigan Caucus Results-134 Delegates at stake
1st-Russ Feingold (44% - 58 Delegates)
2nd-Bill Richardson (36% - 45 Delegates)
3rd-Joe Biden (20% - 31 Delegates)

Minnesota Caucus Results-88 Delegates at stake
1st-Russ Feingold (41% - 38 Delegates)
2nd-Bill Richardson (36% - 30 Delegates)
3rd-Joe Biden (23% - 20 Delegates)

Nevada Primary Results-26 Delegates at stake
1st-Bill Richardson (43% - 12 Delegates)
2nd-Joe Biden (30% - 8 Delegates)
3rd-Russ Feingold (27% - 6 Delegates)

New York Primary Results-280 Delegates at stake
1st-Russ Feingold (46% - 122 Delegates)
2nd-Bill Richardson (30% - 93 Delegates)
3rd-Joe Biden (24% - 65 Delegates)

Mississippi Primary Results-42 Delegates at stake
1st-Bill Richardson (51% - 23 Delegates)
2nd-Russ Feingold (37% - 18 Delegates)
3rd-Joe Biden (15% - 1 Delegate)

Washington Caucus Results-98 Delegates at stake
1st-Russ Feingold (41% - 42 Delegates)
2nd-Joe Biden (30% - 33 Delegates)
3rd-Bill Richardson (29% - 23 Delegates


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on July 11, 2008, 02:47:18 PM
Here's Part 2 of the Super Tuesday Primary Results

Massachusetts Primary Results-122 Delegates at stake
1st-Russ Feingold (42% - 53 Delegates)
2nd-Bill Richardson (31% - 40 Delegates)
3rd-Joe Biden (27% - 29 Delegates)

West Virginia Primary Results-37 Delegates at stake
1st-Russ Feingold (47% - 16 Delegates)
2nd-Joe Biden (33% - 13 Delegates)
3rd-Bill Richardson (20% - 8 Delegates)

Arizona Primary Results-67 Delegates at stake
1st-Bill Richardson (43% - 29 Delegates)
2nd-Russ Feingold (31% - 22 Delegates)
3rd-Joe Biden (26% - 16 Delegates)

Arkansas Primary Results-48 Delegates at stake
1st-Russ Feingold (51% - 25 Delegates)
2nd-Bill Richardson (28% - 12 Delegates)
3rd-Joe Biden (21% - 11 Delegates)

Florida Primary Results-135 Delegates at stake
1st-Russ Feingold (44% - 61 Delegates)
2nd-Bill Richardson (38% - 50 Delegates)
3rd-Joe Biden (18% - 24 Delegates)

Alaska Caucus Results-18 Delegates at stake
1st-Bill Richardson (43% - 9 Delegates)
2nd-Joe Biden (31% - 6 Delegates)
3rd-Russ Feingold (26% - 4 Delegates)

Vermont Primary Results-24 Delegates at stake
1st-Joe Biden (38% - 10 Delegates)
2nd-Russ Feingold (34% - 8 Delegates)
3rd-Bill Richardson (28% - 6 Delegates)

Kansas Caucus Results-40 Delegates at stake
1st-Russ Feingold (42% - 17 Delegates)
2nd-Joe Biden (33% - 14 Delegates)
3rd-Bill Richardson (25% - 10 Delegates)


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on July 12, 2008, 11:33:21 AM
Delegate Tally
Russ Feingold - 791 Delegates
Bill Richardson - 676 Delegates
Joe Biden - 483 Delegates
Other - 27 Delegates


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on July 15, 2008, 12:18:06 AM
After the Super Tuesday Primaries were over and Joe Biden would reluctantly drop out of the race, Russ Feingold would celebrate his lead in delegates as many Democrats would see that Feingold was a shoe in for the nomination as Bill Richardson would say that he would continue in the race for the presidency. With this incumbent Bobby Jindal would continue his sail towards the nomination with little opposition. Other news came from the Puerto Rico Status Referendum results for either remain a Commonwealth, become a State or become Independent from the US.

Puerto Rico Referendum:
Commonwealth: 47&
Statehood: 50%
Independence: 2%
Other: 1%

With the results, statehood would be the victor and now the official number of states would be raised to 51 states and the flag would be updated and of course the Electoral College would give the new state 8 electorals and would reset the the needed electoral votes for a presidential candidate at 273 EV's.
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Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Hash on July 15, 2008, 07:06:10 AM
Referendum, not plebiscite.


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on July 15, 2008, 12:04:52 PM
Oh, alright thanks!


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on July 15, 2008, 12:46:04 PM
A referendum can't win with 49%.


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Person Man on July 15, 2008, 12:50:14 PM
SO, when will all the republican wet dreams come true?


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on July 15, 2008, 03:02:53 PM
What percentage is needed then?


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on July 15, 2008, 03:11:19 PM
Richardson pulls in with a 14% point victory over Feingold with his support from the minorities in Utah and the large support in some of the large cities in the state.

Utah Primary Results-30 Delegates at stake
1st-Bill Richardson (57% - 17 Delegates)
2nd-Russ Feingold (43% - 13 Delegates)


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on July 15, 2008, 03:44:37 PM

50% at least.


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on July 15, 2008, 07:15:14 PM
Okay.


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on July 15, 2008, 08:36:02 PM
Maine was always in Feingold's camp and was an easy victory over Richardson by a 22% victory and easily gained 22 more delegates but Richardson would invest more in the upcoming 4 primaries in Illinois, Georgia, Connecticut and Hawaii on what is called "Mini Tuesday".

Maine Caucus Results-34 Delegates at stake
1st-Russ Feingold (61% - 22 Delegates)
2nd-Bill Richardson (39% - 12 Delegates)


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on July 15, 2008, 08:56:52 PM
The four primaries would be competitive with the wins ranging from a 4 - 12 point victory for either Feingold or Richardson and they would win two states each and of course split the primaries. Illinois was a competitive and Feingold would pull out a suprise victory, Georgia would be one of the more shoe in primaries and would go to Richardson by 12%. Hawaii was about the same and Richardson won it by a 10% victory. Connecticut was somewhat competitive with a nice number of former Obama supporters or "Change" Democrats and a nice number of Progressive Democrats voting for him but Feingold would win by a 5% win.

Illinois Primary Results-186 Delegates at stake
1st-Russ Feingold (52% - 101 Delegates)
2nd-Bill Richardson (48% - 85 Delegates)

Georgia Primary Results-104 Delegates at stake
1st-Bill Richardson (56% - 58 Delegates)
2nd-Russ Feingold (44% - 46 Delegates)

Hawaii Caucus Results-30 Delegates at stake
1st-Bill Richardson (55% - 17 Delegates)
2nd-Russ Feingold (45% - 13 Delegates)

Connecticut Primary Results-62 Delegates at stake
1st-Russ Feingold (53% - 34 Delegates)
2nd-Bill Richardson (47% - 28 Delegates)



Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on July 15, 2008, 10:04:45 PM
Delegate Tally
Russ Feingold - 1041 Delegates
Bill Richardson - 893 Delegates
Other - 489 Delegates


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Applezz on July 17, 2008, 06:28:00 PM
I gotta give you credit for your creativity in your prediction.

First off, McCain won't win by that much. He'll win with only a few Electoral votes. He won't win Minnesota, NH, or Penn. Although, he will win Nevada and Virginia. As far as you popular vote it's pretty accurate. Although, Bobby Jindal won't be the running mate he's too inexperienced. Romney will be. For more info look at my 2008 map.

As far as your prediction: war with Iran will happen before 2010. Maybe as soon as before inauguration day. Think about it...


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Person Man on July 17, 2008, 07:49:52 PM
I wonder how Iran will go. I think it could get a lot uglier than what you have stated. Then again, we have been dodging the bullet for like 65 years now. I am guessing the war will probably last 9 months and 50,000 Iranian Soldiers, 12,000-15,000 American Soldiers and 200,000 Iranian people will die in the cross-fire. Because the country is at least more uniform than Iraq, we will probably not have much of an insurgency to deal with and it would probably take a year and 2,000 American Troops to quell. If Iran is invaded, I wonder if future historians will consider this part of the war that started in Afghanistan.  I guess it would be called the IslamoAmerican War and would be considered a 10 year war that has cost 23,000 lives. At least if this war happens with no consequence, we will have run out of places to invade, save maybe Jordan/Syria.


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on July 17, 2008, 08:24:12 PM
I wonder how Iran will go. I think it could get a lot uglier than what you have stated. Then again, we have been dodging the bullet for like 65 years now. I am guessing the war will probably last 9 months and 50,000 Iranian Soldiers, 12,000-15,000 American Soldiers and 200,000 Iranian people will die in the cross-fire. Because the country is at least more uniform than Iraq, we will probably not have much of an insurgency to deal with and it would probably take a year and 2,000 American Troops to quell. If Iran is invaded, I wonder if future historians will consider this part of the war that started in Afghanistan.  I guess it would be called the IslamoAmerican War and would be considered a 10 year war that has cost 23,000 lives. At least if this war happens with no consequence, we will have run out of places to invade, save maybe Jordan/Syria.
Well this Islamo-American War is actually still raging, with Afghanistan had begun to show some flare up's during President McCain's time but began to get worse as more insurgency began to spread from Pakistan in Afghanistan, so American troops are still in Iraq and Iran but in Iraq troops are much lower than in 2008 and 2009.


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Person Man on July 18, 2008, 01:33:03 PM
I wonder how Iran will go. I think it could get a lot uglier than what you have stated. Then again, we have been dodging the bullet for like 65 years now. I am guessing the war will probably last 9 months and 50,000 Iranian Soldiers, 12,000-15,000 American Soldiers and 200,000 Iranian people will die in the cross-fire. Because the country is at least more uniform than Iraq, we will probably not have much of an insurgency to deal with and it would probably take a year and 2,000 American Troops to quell. If Iran is invaded, I wonder if future historians will consider this part of the war that started in Afghanistan.  I guess it would be called the IslamoAmerican War and would be considered a 10 year war that has cost 23,000 lives. At least if this war happens with no consequence, we will have run out of places to invade, save maybe Jordan/Syria.
Well this Islamo-American War is actually still raging, with Afghanistan had begun to show some flare up's during President McCain's time but began to get worse as more insurgency began to spread from Pakistan in Afghanistan, so American troops are still in Iraq and Iran but in Iraq troops are much lower than in 2008 and 2009.

So, the Iraqi War is pretty much over with 5 or 6 brigades of "advisors" and "logistics technicians" still based there. However, Afghanistan has become as bad as Iraq and is now the center of the Islamo-American War, as it was when it started. 


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on July 18, 2008, 07:19:16 PM
I wonder how Iran will go. I think it could get a lot uglier than what you have stated. Then again, we have been dodging the bullet for like 65 years now. I am guessing the war will probably last 9 months and 50,000 Iranian Soldiers, 12,000-15,000 American Soldiers and 200,000 Iranian people will die in the cross-fire. Because the country is at least more uniform than Iraq, we will probably not have much of an insurgency to deal with and it would probably take a year and 2,000 American Troops to quell. If Iran is invaded, I wonder if future historians will consider this part of the war that started in Afghanistan.  I guess it would be called the IslamoAmerican War and would be considered a 10 year war that has cost 23,000 lives. At least if this war happens with no consequence, we will have run out of places to invade, save maybe Jordan/Syria.
Well this Islamo-American War is actually still raging, with Afghanistan had begun to show some flare up's during President McCain's time but began to get worse as more insurgency began to spread from Pakistan in Afghanistan, so American troops are still in Iraq and Iran but in Iraq troops are much lower than in 2008 and 2009.

So, the Iraqi War is pretty much over with 5 or 6 brigades of "advisors" and "logistics technicians" still based there. However, Afghanistan has become as bad as Iraq and is now the center of the Islamo-American War, as it was when it started. 
That's pretty much right, the War in Afghanistan is getting bloody and becoming a point made by the Democrats to pull out of there and all the other "advisors" troops in Iraq and Iran but this is not seen as the best idea since Iraq proved to be winnable and many Republicans hope for the same for Afghanistan.


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on July 20, 2008, 07:39:20 PM
Delaware Primary Results-24 Delegates at stake
1st-Russ Feingold (54% - 14 Delegates)
2nd-Bill Richardson (40% - 10 Delegates)
3rd-Other (6% - 0 Delegates)


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on July 20, 2008, 07:42:28 PM
Wisconsin Primary Results-93 Delegates at stake
1st-Russ Feingold (68% - 70 Delegates)
2nd-Bill Richardson (32% - 23 Delegates)


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on July 20, 2008, 07:47:23 PM
South Dakota Primary Results-23 Delegates at stake
1st-Bill Richardson (52% - 13 Delegates)
2nd-Russ Feingold (48% - 10 Delegates)

North Dakota Caucus Results-21 Delegates at stake
1st-Russ Feingold (57% - 12 Delegates)
2nd-Bill Richardson (43% - 9 Delegates)


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on July 30, 2008, 03:56:46 PM
Primaries would continue on there path and Feingold would be the major frontrunner with Richardson trailing behind but Bill Richardson would virtually be knocked out of the race when Joe Biden would endorse Russ Feingold and release all his delegates to Feingold, bringing his delegates up to 1630 and this was also not counting the superdelegates that would push him up to nearly 1750 if they were also impute and things would get worse after Barbara Boxer and Howard Dean would endorse Feingold as well. After these turn of events Bill Richardson would decide to drop out of the Democratic Nomination race but wouldn't endorse Feingold just yet. Feingold would now be the Democratic Party Presumptive Nominee and would go on to find a Vice President and this would be a easy short list and the listee's would be called the Big Seven.

-Joe Biden
-Howard Dean
-Barbara Boxer
-Mike Easley
-Wesley Clark
-Tim Kaine
-Ted Strickland


The Republicans of course had a easy primary race and would beat out Mitt Romney and several Favorite Sons for the nomination, after that all that was left was to pick a Vice President and several former choices for John McCain's VP list snaked their way onto Jindal's Vice President List. The major thing in play to pick a VP was to choose someone that was older and had "experience" in politics for some time and also bring something else to the ticket. Many names would be put forth and some would have buzz over them by the media and Jindal himself.

-Senator Rob Portman
-Governor Tim Pawlenty
-Governor Sarah Palin

-Chuck Hagel
-David Petraeus
-Senator Lindsey Graham
-Treasury Secretary Christopher Cox

-Michael Bloomberg
-Colin Powell
-Governor Rudy Giuliani


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on July 30, 2008, 05:51:48 PM
The Republican 2012 Convention - Atlanta, Georgia
The Republicans would flock to Georgia for the Convention and the effective nomination of incumbent President Bobby Jindal and also to choose a Vice President for Jindal. After some debate the VP choice had been whittled down to a smaller list: Tim Pawlenty, Sarah Palin, Rob Portman and Rudy Giuliani were the four remaining major candidates for Jindal's VP slot on the ticket. After a while the decision came and Bobby Jindal would choose Tim Pawlenty as his VP choice, the Republican Party would support this ticket and enter the General Election.

Republican Ticket: Bobby Jindal/Tim Pawlenty

The Democratic 2012 Convention - Chicago, Illinois
Russ Feingold would now have the endorsement of the Democrats leaders and also his former rival Bill Richardson and would easily win on the first ballot and the major leader in the possible VP's for Feingold Joe Biden would be picked as the Vice President on the ticket and would accept this easily. The Democrats would be fully united around this ticket and soon they would enter General Election of 2012.

Democrat Ticket: Russ Feingold/Joe Biden

Other Conventions - Constitution, Green, Libertarian
-The Greens would nominate Congressman Dennis Kucinich for the presidency and Kent Mesplay for Vice President and this ticket was seen as the powerful third party ticket in the 2012 Election.

-Gary Johnson was another Bob Barr to the Libertarians and would hope to push the votes over 5% in the 2012 Election and to try and appease the "Real Libertarians" would have Mike Jingozian as his Vice President candidate. The Johnson/Jingozian ticket would soon face problems on the ballot as the Democrats in numerous states would sue the Libertarians off the ballot.

-The Constitution Party would nominate former 08 VP Darrel Castle and conservative journalist Jerome Corsi as his VP choice.

The "Major" Candidates of the 2012 Election
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Republican Party Candidate for President, 2012
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Democratic Party Candidate for President, 2012
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Libertarian Party Candidate for President, 2012 
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Green Party Candidate for President, 2012
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Constitution Party Candidate for President, 2012


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on July 30, 2008, 06:39:01 PM
08/29/12 - This would kick off the effective start of the General Election after the Democrats and the Republicans had wrapped up there Conventions and the choices as Vice President.

09/05/12 - Democratic nominee Russ Feingold would go to meet the troops stationed in Iran to show himself as "Presidential" and also would deliver a speech about his way that he would handle the blood bath in Afghanistan.

09/09/12 - Green candidate Dennis Kucinich would also take on a more attack plan of a speech about Iran and the War in Afghanistan and the speech would make many stabs at the Jindal Administration and the Republican Party in general.

09/10/12 - President Bobby Jindal would rebuttal Kucinich's attacks on him with his own speech and would of course outline Kucinich's vote against the declaration against going to war with Iran and his disapproval of Iraq and now Afghanistan. "Congressman Kucinich says that Afghanistan is unwinnable, this is the same man that said that Iraq was "unwinnable" and look how prosperous it is now compared to under the regime of Saddam Hussein and how could he wish to appease the Iranian regime by letting them carry out there new Holocaust against Israel.."

09/18/12 - The first major polls come out during the General Election of 2012, the results are what many thought it would be and with the devastating attack on Kucinich his support had dropped. Incumbent Bobby Jindal held only a small lead over Russ Feingold in the polls.

2012 Polls:
Jindal/Pawlenty - 42%
Feingold/Biden - 38%
Johnson/Jingozian - 4%
Kucinich/Mesplay - 2%
Other - 2%
Undecided - 12%

09/24/12 - Joe Biden would go onto the Meet the Press and would discuss the War in Afghanistan with host Tom Brokaw "Tom this war can be won but this has gotten out of hand, Iraq first, then Iran and Afghanistan what's next on the menu in the Middle East conflict?.."


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on July 30, 2008, 09:10:06 PM
10/04/12 - CNN and numerous other broadcasting networks and political journalists release the new map of the tossup state for the 2012 Election. These include MN, OR, IO, NM, CO, FL, NH, VI, PA, OH, AR, NV and MI would be under the category as tossup states, the new tossups Oregon and Minnesota are only included because the Republicans won them in the 08 election after the Libertarians and the Green parties had siphoned enough votes from the candidates to push those Republican, as Virginia this was won by Obama and is nearly the same as OR and MN.
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Democrats: 193
Republicans: 194
Tossups: 159


10/07/12 - Cornell University would hold it's ritualistic debate between the third party candidates, they would invite Gary Johnson of the Libertarians, Dennis Kucinich of the Greens, Darrell Castle of the Constitution party, Stewart Alexander of the Socialists, Gene Amondson of the Prohibition party and Charles Jay of the new Boston Tea Party. Kucinich and Johnson would square off against each other about the wars in the Middle East and Charles Jay would try to get a few jabs at Johnson for "not being a true Libertarian".

10/13/12 - The Rhode Island Senate Race is one that has a suprise of coverage but nothing to match the 2012 Election coverage but former Senator Lincoln Chafee an Independent would run against incumbent Sheldon Whitehouse. With the support of the Republican Party in Rhode Island, the polls showed Chafee and Whitehouse in a dead heat.

RI 2012 Senate Polls:
Lincoln Chafee - 47%
Sheldon Whitehouse - 47%
Other - 1%
Undecided - 5%

10/21/12 - In an interview with Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson about what he would do after the election if "he didn't win the election" and Johnson would say that he had been thinking of getting back into politics more and hinting at a possibility of running for Congress in 2014 as of course a Libertarian.

10/27/12 - On a interview with Chuck Hagel on Democracy Now! Hagel would say again that he wouldn't be drafted by the "Draft Hagel" to run for his former Senate seat as an Independent candidate against incumbent Mike Johanns and Tony Raimondo.

10/31/12 - The next major set of polls would be released and would show the rise of both Johnson and Kucinich in the polls and Feingold beginning to close the gap between him and Jindal. State polling would also be used and would show that Feingold had taken the lead in Michigan, Florida and Pennsylvania as Jindal led in Arkansas, Nevada and Virginia.

Halloween 2012 Polls:
Jindal/Pawlenty - 42%
Feingold/Biden - 40%
Johnson/Jingozian - 5%
Kucinich/Mesplay - 3%
Other - 1%
Undecided - 9%

11/04/12 - Bobby Jindal would make "last minute" campaigning in Iowa and would use his work with his 15 point Economic "Resuscitation" as Jindal called it that had help numerous in debt families through out the US and would say "not to switch this pony out half way through the race" and would say to vote for of course the Jindal/Pawlenty ticket in the election.

11/05/12 - Feingold would also do last minute campaign in New Mexico and Colorado as Biden would do campaigning himself up in New Hampshire for Feingold to gain the needed support to win the presidency. Feingold would talk to the Democratic Hispanic Caucus in New Mexico about Immigration for the last time to rally up Hispanic support for himself.


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on July 30, 2008, 09:57:58 PM
11/06/12 - The Presidential Election of 2012 and the Congressional Elections would be held as both the elections had close results from the polls as at the very end the two candidates Jindal and Feingold would be in a dead heat after polling on election day had them at about 43% to 43% each. The other candidates could prove to deliver needed states and electoral points to either of the two major candidates. The first results came in and the joint CNN/MSNBC coverage were the first to report...

                        We can now call that Kentucky will go to Bobby Jindal
                                                                    ()

                We can now call that South Carolina will go to Bobby Jindal
                                                                    ()


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         Jindal/Pawlenty: 16    Feingold/Biden: 0    Johnson/Jingozian: 0    Kucinich/Mesplay: 0


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Hash on July 31, 2008, 06:28:02 AM
Jindal is ugly.


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on July 31, 2008, 05:43:57 PM

He has stupid hair.

Anyway, I like this timeline, good job.  I'm not sure I'll like the outcome though. :P
Thank you :) Maybe politicians in general are weird looking?


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on July 31, 2008, 06:38:55 PM


                          We can now call that Delware will go to Russ Feingold
                                                                    ()

                    We can now call that Connecticut will go to Russ Feingold
                                                                    ()

                          We can now call that Georgia will go to Bobby Jindal
                                                                    ()

                          We can now call that Kansas will go to Bobby Jindal
                                                                     ()
                     ()
                Jindal/Pawlenty: 37    Feingold/Biden: 10    Johnson/Jingozian: 0    Kucinich/Mesplay: 0


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on August 01, 2008, 06:48:35 PM
With the results that are in so far Feingold is behind 20 electoral votes from incumbent Bobby Jindal but the night is still young. The major third party candidates Gary Johnson, Dennis Kucinich and Darrell Castle are having some luck here and there with Johnson having the most effect in Maryland with 5% and in Mississippi with 6% there, Kucinich is about 6% in Massachusetts and nearly 7% in Vermont but several states like Delware and Connecticut he is only doing 2% to 3% in a suprise and Castle has a scattered showing of 0.5% to 1% in the southern states.

                            We can now call that Mississippi will go to Bobby Jindal
                                                                    ()

                        We can now call that Louisiana will go to Bobby Jindal
                                                                    ()

                    We can now call that Massachusetts will go to Russ Feingold
                                                                    ()

                        We can now call that Oklahoma will go to Bobby Jindal
                                                                    ()

                    We can now call that Rhode Island will go to Russ Feingold
                                                                    ()

                    We can now call that Vermont will go to Russ Feingold
                                                                    ()

                    We can now call that Maryland will go to Russ Feingold
                                                                    ()

                     ()
                Jindal/Pawlenty: 59    Feingold/Biden: 39    Johnson/Jingozian: 0    Kucinich/Mesplay: 0


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Hash on August 01, 2008, 07:29:31 PM
What's the PV by now?


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on August 01, 2008, 07:42:36 PM
With the states in right now the PV is: Feingold is about 10% away from Jindal but this is only the states that are in right now so this of course can change because the major number of undecideds lye in the battleground states or just in the states that haven't been called yet.
Jindal/Pawlenty - 52.6
Feingold/Biden - 42.9
Johnson/Jingozian - 2.2
Kucinich/Mesplay - 1.9
Castle/Corsi - 0.4


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Democratic Hawk on August 01, 2008, 07:44:51 PM

Has a bird crapped on his head or what?


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on August 01, 2008, 07:52:17 PM
Yes it has and it looks like it's still crapping! :)


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Person Man on August 04, 2008, 09:17:31 PM
Continue...


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on August 04, 2008, 09:34:29 PM
We can now call that Alabama will go to Bobby Jindal
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We can now call that New York will go to Russ Feingold
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We can now call that Wisconsin will go to Russ Feingold
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We can now call that Missouri will go to Bobby Jindal
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We can now call that Indiana will go to Bobby Jindal
()

We can now call that Maine will go to Russ Feingold
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We can now call that New Jersey will go to Russ Feingold
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We can now call that D.C. will go to Russ Feingold
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We can now call that Texas will go to Bobby Jindal
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Jindal/Pawlenty: 130    Feingold/Biden: 102    Johnson/Jingozian: 0    Kucinich/Mesplay: 0



Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Person Man on August 04, 2008, 09:49:15 PM
Still doing it?


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on August 04, 2008, 09:59:29 PM
                            We can now call that Tennessee will go to Bobby Jindal
                                                                    ()

                        We can now call that Nebraska will go to Bobby Jindal
                                                                    ()

                    We can now call that Illinois will go to Russ Feingold
                                                                    ()

                        We can now call that Virginia will go to Bobby Jindal
                                                                    ()

                    We can now call that Michigan will go to Russ Feingold
                                                                    ()

                    We can now call that Wyoming will go to Bobby Jindal
                                                                    ()

                    We can now call that South Dakota will go to Bobby Jindal
                                                                    ()

                    We can now call that Florida will go to Russ Feingold
                                                                    ()

                    We can now call that North Carolina will go to Bobby Jindal
                                                                    ()

           ()
         Jindal/Pawlenty: 180    Feingold/Biden: 167    Johnson/Jingozian: 0    Kucinich/Mesplay: 0


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on August 04, 2008, 09:59:53 PM
Yup!


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Person Man on August 04, 2008, 10:23:31 PM
It will truly be interesting to see what happens whoever wins. We will either have the first Democrat after 4 administrations and quite possibly the most liberal since FDR or perhaps the most conservative president....ever...and the most successful Republican dynasty since 1896, or even 1868.


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on August 04, 2008, 10:26:50 PM
It will truly be interesting to see what happens whoever wins. We will either have the first Democrat after 4 administrations and quite possibly the most liberal since FDR or perhaps the most conservative president....ever...and the most successful Republican dynasty since 1896, or even 1868.
Yep, all I can say it's going to be a nail bitter!


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Person Man on August 04, 2008, 10:30:03 PM
Can you finish tonight, I promise I would help someone fix their roof tommorow. :P


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on August 04, 2008, 10:30:58 PM
Can you finish tonight, I promise I would help someone fix their roof tommorow. :P
I can give it a try.


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on August 04, 2008, 11:01:57 PM
                            We can now call that Washington will go to Russ Feingold
                                                                    ()

                        We can now call that North Dakota will go to Bobby Jindal
                                                                    ()

                        We can now call that Montana will go to Bobby Jindal
                                                                    ()

                        We can now call that Arizona will go to Bobby Jindal
                                                                    ()

                    We can now call that Pennsylvania will go to Russ Feingold
                                                                    ()

                        We can now call that Utah will go to Bobby Jindal
                                                                    ()

                    We can now call that Puerto Rico will go to Russ Feingold
                                                                    ()

                    We can now call that West Virginia will go to Bobby Jindal
                                                                    ()

           ()
         Jindal/Pawlenty: 206    Feingold/Biden: 207    Johnson/Jingozian: 0    Kucinich/Mesplay: 0


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Person Man on August 04, 2008, 11:25:13 PM
Holy sh**t. Were down to the last swing states. Will you do a post election commentary of what the pundits say after this election?


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on August 04, 2008, 11:26:41 PM
The Election of 2012 has boiled down to a handfulll of states that will decide the Election and the next President. Most of the remaining states are either solidly Republican or Democrat or polls show either Jindal or Feingold in the lead and the polls have been right through out Election night and soon the election comes down to New Hampshire, New Mexico and Oregon as the kingmaker states and it now seems that the third parties could throw these states to either of the candidates. With Johnson going with a 9% in his home state of New Mexico and his "stealing" of some Conservative Democratic voters and Republican voters the states seems to be a complete tossup as NH and OR have Kucinich and the Green party taking many votes away from the Democrats there they do seem that they could slide to the Republican corner.

We can now call that Idaho will go to Bobby Jindal
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We can now call that California will go to Russ Feingold
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We can now call that Nevada will go to Bobby Jindal
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We can now call that Ohio will go to Bobby Jindal
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We can now call that Iowa will go to Bobby Jindal
()

We can now call that Hawaii will go to Russ Feingold
()

We can now call that Alaska will go to Bobby Jindal
()

We can now call that Minnesota will go to Bobby Jindal
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Jindal/Pawlenty: 264    Feingold/Biden: 266    Johnson/Jingozian: 0    Kucinich/Mesplay: 0
274 Electoral Votes Needed to Win the Presidential Election, 2012


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on August 04, 2008, 11:27:37 PM
Holy sh**t. Were down to the last swing states. Will you do a post election commentary of what the pundits say after this election?
I'll give it a try and only three states to go!


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on August 04, 2008, 11:47:13 PM
We can now call that New Mexico will go to Bobby Jindal
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We can now call that New Hampshire will go to Russ Feingold
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           ()
         Jindal/Pawlenty: 269    Feingold/Biden: 270    Johnson/Jingozian: 0    Kucinich/Mesplay: 0
                   274 Electoral Votes Needed to Win the Presidential Election, 2012


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Person Man on August 04, 2008, 11:53:37 PM
Come on, OREGON!!!


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on August 05, 2008, 12:22:39 AM
Oregon, Oregon, Oregon! would become a call back to the 2000 Election were Florida was the deciding factor and now it was Oregon and the former Tim Russert coined those simple words, my good friend Tim said those simple words that in body everything of this election, this election that shall bring in some that say a new FDR or would continue the Republican legacy from 2001 to the present day. - Tom Brokaw on the 2012 Election

This seems to be another nail bitter Election like 2000 and 2008 and it seems this could be another suprise for the American people and we can establish that after the 2008 Election that everything changed with now third parties becoming an integral part of the Presidential Elections for a change... - Wolf Blitzer, CNN 2012 Election Coverage

This is a simple choice with the blossoming of a new Ronald Reagan and a new frontier for America and a simple choice is to cast your ballot for Bobby Jindal and Tim Pawlenty, that simple and that easy for the U.S of A.. - Rush Limbaugh, 2012 Reporting

Vote after vote would be counted in Oregon as the final results would trickle in with one of the kingmaking results came in....

Oregon, 2012 Presidential Election
1st - Bobby Jindal - 45.4
2nd - Russ Feingold - 45.2
3rd - Dennis Kucinich - 4.9
4th - Gary Johnson - 3.4
Other - 1.1

We can now call that Oregon will go to Bobby Jindal
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Jindal/Pawlenty: 276    Feingold/Biden: 270    Johnson/Jingozian: 0    Kucinich/Mesplay: 0
274 Electoral Votes Needed to Win the Presidential Election, 2012


                 
And Bobby Jindal Will Be Reelected For A Second Term!





Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Person Man on August 05, 2008, 01:03:10 AM
What are pundits saying after this election?


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Robespierre's Jaw on August 05, 2008, 01:18:38 AM
Andy, here is a helpful tip regarding your 2012 Election Coverage.

Use the center tool
Code:
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instead of using the spacebar to center your work. Guaranteed Centerisation everytime ;D

For an example of such guaranteed centerisation look below:

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We can now call that Oregon will go to Bobby Jindal

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Jindal/Pawlenty: 276  Feingold/Biden: 270   Johnson/Jingozian: 0 Kucinich/Mesplay: 0

274 Electoral Votes Needed to Win the Presidential Election, 2012

And Bobby Jindal Will Be Reelected For A Second Term!


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on August 05, 2008, 08:49:31 AM
Andy, here is a helpful tip regarding your 2012 Election Coverage.

Use the center tool
Code:
[center][/center]
instead of using the spacebar to center your work. Guaranteed Centerisation everytime ;D

For an example of such guaranteed centerisation look below:

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We can now call that Oregon will go to Bobby Jindal

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Jindal/Pawlenty: 276  Feingold/Biden: 270   Johnson/Jingozian: 0 Kucinich/Mesplay: 0

274 Electoral Votes Needed to Win the Presidential Election, 2012

And Bobby Jindal Will Be Reelected For A Second Term!

Okay didn't know how to get thoses right!


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on August 05, 2008, 09:08:01 AM
What are pundits saying after this election?
Most are continuing to chant the same thing and Tom Brokaw's after report on the 2012 Election sums things up for the American People's outlook on the Election "This Election was a nail bitter down to the bitter end but Senator Feingold has called President Jindal to congratulate him on his win but people after this will continue to wonder What If? With Democratic Nominee Feingold only falling short of the presidency by four electoral votes and New Mexico or Oregon would have handed him the election, this might begin things to come for future Elections and Presidents" - Tom Brokaw, After the 2012 Results


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 05, 2008, 11:44:16 AM
That map is completely implausible for many reasons.


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 05, 2008, 01:19:29 PM
That map is completely implausible for many reasons.

Not really.  Especially considering it's four years in the future.

But it bucks all the trends that have taken effect. It may have made sense in 2003, but not now.


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Person Man on August 05, 2008, 03:38:18 PM
I just don't see Jindal taking Colorado or OREGON, for crist's sake.... Jindal would be lucky to break 45 in Oregon and 48 in Colorado...and hell, Feingold could probably get 60%+ in Washington. I would have a map where Pennsylvania or Michigan decided the election.


It would be fun to see how the Democrats dealt with finally being unelectable as a party and how Jindal would use his reactionary mandate.


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on August 07, 2008, 08:59:55 PM
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After Bobby Jindal was elected to his "second" in his own right of a true four year term, things oversea's and more close to home would begin to shape America and the world. Now after nearly five years ago when Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf was impeached by the parliament there and would be replaced by Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani who would have a shaky term in office and soon several assassination attempts were tried to take his life but these would fail, soon enough the military tried to put more control of the government in there hands only to come to blows with President Giliani and soon a coup would be attempted as it would shatter the nation as Musharraf's "Grand Coalition" of political parties would fracture and vie for power in the crippled Pakistan and soon tension would reach the boiling point that a civil war broke out when incumbent President Yousaf Raza Gilani was reelected and the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal or the United Council of Action sued that the election was rigged and called out to rise up and overthrow the Gilani Government, with this the MMA dominannt North-West Frontier Province began a rebellion against the Pakistani Government, soon followed by another coup by the government and also leading a faction in Pakistan in the Pakistani Civil War. Other areas soon rose up and rebelled as nearly half the nation was at least kept together by the remaining police and loyal military to Gilani, the US and President Jindal were worried with these turn of events as this power grab of a civil war could let nuclear arms fall into the hands of terrorists and soon the US would come to the UN to say that "Pakistan has become an unstable region were a strengthened Taliban waits for the time to grab some of the nuclear arms in Pakistan and turn them on anyone they wish, this is the time to support Pakistan and President Gilani in this time of need and the US and a coalition force must be sent as peacekeepers to help the true Pakistani Government...". Peacekeepers arrived in the heavily fortified capitol of Lahore and soon the "peacekeepers" would be attacked through out the region and soon several other equation was put into the mix that if the possibility of India and China jumping in to annex portions of Pakistan, the world was possibly on the edge of the 3rd World War and people were worried and looked on across the globe as the peacekeeping in Pakistan continue to get more and more bloody and all that most people could was sit back and watch things unfold....


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Person Man on August 10, 2008, 12:07:40 AM
I wonder why this is where the thing ends? lol


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on August 10, 2008, 03:23:52 PM
I wonder why this is where the thing ends? lol
This isn't over I'm just been busy and on vacation so it aint over :)


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Person Man on August 11, 2008, 12:18:08 AM
Well, I hope things really get "interesting"...really, really interesting.


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on October 02, 2008, 09:01:56 PM
As the Pakistani Civil War raged, US peacekeepers and President Jindal and State Secretary Petraeus would work with possibly disabling the nuclear arms or possibly moving them to a more safe location and this would cause uproar with the Lahore Government but after haggling, nuclear sites that are "to close" to the battlefronts would be taken as others were disabled that they couldn't be used and were stripped of the deadly interworkings of the missiles. After all of this, Vice President Pawlenty would go on a speaking tour to rally support for the interventionist peacekeeping in Pakistan. In one of his speaking tours in Albany, New York as he was stepping off the platform he would be rushed by a anti war supporter and would be shot three times at near point blank range and Vice President Pawlenty would be rushed off to the hospital to be treated and after a day of fighting would succumb to the wounds as fragments would drift into his heart and kill him. President Jindal would call this "A terrible and cowardly act on the White House for defending a democratic nation". The growing angered liberals and libertarian Republicans would put there possible names into the mix of a new VP for Jindal, but the ruling conservatives would put there own possibles to President Jindal and a fight would begin. Jindal and Secretary Huckabee would try and mediate the bickering and Jindal would say in plainest thing "What about Secretary Petraeus?" but this was beaten down by some as putting someone that will support Jindal in the White House but after bickering, Ambassador John Huntsman Jr would be decided upon and would pass through Congress and would become the 49th Vice President of the United States.
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-Ambassador Jon Huntmans, now Vice President Huntsman.

2015 rolled around as several bills were beaten down by the Democrats in Congress like the outlandish one of a chemical castration for sex offenders and having Jindal called a "Nazi" by many for this. All of this was a continual setbacks for President Jindal and this would continue to add to him declaring that he wouldn't run again in 2016' and would endorse Vice President Huntsman for the Republican nomination but it would soon be crowded bunch challenging the incumbent VP. As for the Democrats a strong "Draft Warner" and "Draft Governor Obama" would begin and after some process both would throw there hats into the ring as Obama gained many key endorsements like Bill Richardson, Joe Biden, Russ Feingold and the Democratic Change Caucus but Mark Warner but be quickly behind. In Obama's first speech for his run for 16' he would declare "It's time to end the continual interventionalist regime and bring stability, we need someone that can lead from both isles, it's time for change..."

Republican Candidates 016'
-Vice President Jon Huntsman Jr (Utah)
-Former Governor Haley Barbour (Mississippi)
-Senator Richard Burr (North Carolina)
-Representative Shelly Capito (West Virginia)
-Senator Jimmy Duncan (Tennessee)

Democratic Candidates 016'
-Governor Barack Obama (Illinois)
-Senator Mark Warner (Virginia)
-Former Governor Bill Schweitzer (Montana)
-Governor Gavin Newsom (California)


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Iosif on October 04, 2008, 09:04:47 PM
What a depressing insight into the future.

4 straight Republican terms!


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Ronnie on October 04, 2008, 09:07:35 PM
Now my take:

President McCain?
lol


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on October 04, 2008, 09:33:20 PM
Yes I know but I'm thinking of having a President Obama! timeline though it's still going to be a shakey Obama Administration. Also a hint, hint, wink, wink, the Republicans are gonna hit a snag and it will hurt there chances for reelection in 2016 and this could very be the Democrats year to finally retake the White House.


Title: Re: President McCain?
Post by: Historia Crux on October 04, 2008, 09:36:28 PM
June 18th, 2015 would have the Republican Candidate Debate and it would set the stage for the candidates. Vice President Huntsman would say that he wanted "To carry on the Republican Party, from 2001 to 2015, from Bush to Jindal we've had 14 years of governing and I want to continue that to 2021" as for Barbour he would say that "Mister Huntsman has move on key issue to the center and I believe in family values and true conservatism, I'll be a strong candidate in 2016". For Burr he would say that he support former President McCain in 2008 and he wanted to bring the strong leadership back into the White House as McCain did, Capito would call that "The center and liberals have had no voice after the stalwart Conservative takeover in 2013 and I want to bring back some Rockefeller Republicanism" and Representative Duncan would say "My friend Ron Paul called for a withdraw from Iraq in 2008, what are we doing about Iraq and Afghanistan and why are we not pulling out troops to aid the defence of Pakistan?". In the plainest analysis Huntsman was a mover to the central positions on some parts, Barbour is a conservative, Burr wishes strong leadership again, Capito wants liberalism back and Duncan is more of a anti war, pro pullout of Iraq/Afghanistan candidate. Vice President Huntsman would win the debate with the "major" contender coming from Haley Barbour.

August 16th, 2015: The Ames Straw Poll
- Through out the 2016 Republican run for the nomination Vice President Huntsman would not be in doubt for any real challenge for the nomination as 66 year old Haley Barbour was the only real challenge. Huntsman woud have a 56% to Barbour's 28%, making Huntsman with a 20%+ over Barbour as Burr would have a dismall 9% and was said that he hadn't found a strong supporter base as Duncan would tap some of the strong grassroots and "Anti-ists" or Anti War supporters, Capito would have a mere 1% but on a interview on Meet The Press would say that she wasn't looking for a win in Iowa, instead in New Hampshire.

1st - Jon Huntsman Jr - 56%
2nd - Haley Barbour - 28%
3rd - Richard Burr - 9%
4th - Jimmy Duncan - 6%
5th - Shelly Capito - 1%

September 15th, 2015 would have the Democratic Candidate Debate in New York City and Governor Obama would stand for the "CHANGE" candidate for president again as Warner would hold a southern populist/centrist with some appeal to independents, Schweitzer was a western centrist and Newsom was a "True Liberal" candidate. Through this Governor Newsom would come off "testy" in some ways as he would call that "Have we forgot about the Kyoto Accords? What are we doing to benefit the environment!". Both the three other candidates would have the same thing in mind, America was moving forward in renewable energy as Ford and several other automobile companies had began to produce solar powered cars and continued to crank out the Bolts and Shocks. Through the debate Governor Obama would do exceptionally well and would be hailed as the winner as the debate.

October, Possible Matchups: With Obama's push for the nomination and his polls showing him 2% behind Huntsman was a boost but Warner's appeal to independents would make a hypothetical deadlock between the two as Schweitzer was about 5% from Huntsman as Newsom was seen as to liberal to some and he was 9% behind Huntsman in a hypothetical. Smaller polls for a hypothetical would show that any other candidate other than Huntsman would not win the election as Barbour would turn away some liberals and centrists and Duncan would turn away a large chunk of the conservative base.

Huntsman (48%), Obama (46%), Other (6%)
Huntsman (48%), Warner(48%), Other (4%)
Huntsman (50%), Schweitzer (46%), Other (4%)
Huntsman (52%), Newsom (43%), Other (5%)

Barbour (43%), Obama (53%), Other (4%)
Duncan (40%), Obama (56%), Other (4%)