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Title: states where obama will win the white male vote?
Post by: WalterMitty on July 27, 2008, 12:03:12 PM
not that im a big fan of exit polls. 

vermont comes to mind.  dc too.  minnesota, possibly?


Title: Re: states where obama will win the white male vote?
Post by: Tender Branson on July 27, 2008, 12:07:31 PM
Washington, Hawaii, Illinois, Massachusetts to name a few others ...


Title: Re: states where obama will win the white male vote?
Post by: JohnCA246 on July 27, 2008, 12:13:49 PM
oregon maine iowa


Title: Re: states where obama will win the white male vote?
Post by: Jacobtm on July 27, 2008, 12:21:50 PM
Wisconsin perhaps?


Title: Re: states where obama will win the white male vote?
Post by: WalterMitty on July 27, 2008, 12:33:45 PM

maybe not.


Title: Re: states where obama will win the white male vote?
Post by: Verily on July 27, 2008, 12:36:41 PM
Iowa, if he continues his 5-10 point leads there. IIRC, white Iowans are most liberal (by self-identity) white population in the country.


Title: Re: states where obama will win the white male vote?
Post by: Flying Dog on July 27, 2008, 12:41:58 PM
Oregon?


Title: Re: states where obama will win the white male vote?
Post by: phk on July 27, 2008, 12:42:01 PM
Iowa, if he continues his 5-10 point leads there. IIRC, white Iowans are most liberal (by self-identity) white population in the country.

Even more than VT?


Title: Re: states where obama will win the white male vote?
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on July 27, 2008, 12:42:57 PM
Vermont
Massachusetts
Illinois
Minnesota
California
Washington
Hawaii


Title: Re: states where obama will win the white male vote?
Post by: Undisguised Sockpuppet on July 27, 2008, 12:51:17 PM
California(but only if you count latins as white). The rest? I'm not so sure on tbh.


Title: Re: states where obama will win the white male vote?
Post by: phk on July 27, 2008, 01:09:13 PM
California(but only if you count latins as white). The rest? I'm not so sure on tbh.

A disproportionate amount of CA Latins are Natives.


Title: Re: states where obama will win the white male vote?
Post by: Ban my account ffs! on July 27, 2008, 01:16:24 PM
Definitely here in Minnesota.  You pretty much have to win the white vote in Minnesota to win.. when we're 85% of the population.


Title: Re: states where obama will win the white male vote?
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on July 27, 2008, 01:26:43 PM
He said white male vote, not white. Still the gender gap in Minnesota is very small. Only a 2-point split between white men and white women in 2004, Bush taking white men 51-49, the numbers reversed for white women. So it'll probably happen here.

Iowa was 52-47, so if he wins by the poll margin, that'll happen.


Title: Re: states where obama will win the white male vote?
Post by: Brittain33 on July 27, 2008, 01:46:30 PM
Minnesota, Rhode Island, Massachussetts, New York, Vermont, Maryland, DC

I wouldn't count on New York, necessarily, seeing as how it votes like Massachusetts and Rhode Island but with a much higher minority population and no doubt one heck of a gender gap in the suburbs.


Title: Re: states where obama will win the white male vote?
Post by: Alcon on July 27, 2008, 02:03:10 PM
Kerry's margin among white men, per the exit polls.  Note that these have a reasonably high MoE, especially in states with a high minority population.

District of Columbia +52%
Vermont +14%
Rhode Island +13%
Massachusetts +10%
Hawai'i +4%
Washington +1%
----------------------
Connecticut - 1%
Maine -1%
Minnesota -1%
Illinois -3%
Iowa -5%
New York -6%
New Hampshire -7%
Wisconsin -10%
Missouri -11%
Maryland -13%
New Jersey -13%
Ohio -13%
California -14%
Pennsylvania -15%
West Virginia -15%
Michigan -16%
New Mexico -18%
Oregon -18%
Colorado -19%
Florida -19%
Delaware -20%
Montana -20%
Nevada -20%
South Dakota -25%
Arizona -27%
Indiana -31%
Kansas -32%
Nebraska -32%
Tennessee -33%
North Dakota -34%
Arkansas -35%
Kentucky -35%
Alaska -44%
Texas -45%
Virginia -45%
Wyoming -45%
Idaho -46%
Oklahoma -46%
North Carolina -49%
Utah -50%
Georgia -52%
Louisiana -54%
South Carolina -56%
Mississippi -63%
Alabama -64%

Fun list.  White men in Delaware are just as Republican as in Montana.  Who knew?


Title: Re: states where obama will win the white male vote?
Post by: ?????????? on July 27, 2008, 02:17:47 PM

Try no.


Title: Re: states where obama will win the white male vote?
Post by: War on Want on July 27, 2008, 02:59:30 PM
Vermont
Washington
Oregon
Minnesota
Maine
Illinois
Rhode Island
Massachussetts
New York
Connecticut


Title: Re: states where obama will win the white male vote?
Post by: Torie on July 27, 2008, 03:26:43 PM
Vermont, and maybe Hawaii (the white vote there is pretty liberal these days), Maine, Illinois, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Washington, and Minnesota. I suspect the odds are less than 50-50 everywhere else.


Title: Re: states where obama will win the white male vote?
Post by: © tweed on July 27, 2008, 03:34:55 PM
Mississippi


Title: Re: states where obama will win the white male vote?
Post by: Torie on July 27, 2008, 04:20:44 PM
Alcon, add to your list Connecticut, -1.


Title: Re: states where obama will win the white male vote?
Post by: JohnCA246 on July 27, 2008, 08:22:02 PM
Didnt see the male part.


Title: Re: states where obama will win the white male vote?
Post by: Alcon on July 27, 2008, 09:31:57 PM
Vermont, and maybe Hawaii (the white vote there is pretty liberal these days), Maine, Illinois, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Washington, and Minnesota. I suspect the odds are less than 50-50 everywhere else.

I'd be surprised if he lost them in Hawai'i.  Whites are stably Democratic in the state.  It was Bush's surge among pro-incumbent Asians and Pacific Islanders that gave him his gain.  Between 2000 and 2004, he went from 35% to 51% among those groups.


Title: Re: states where obama will win the white male vote?
Post by: elcorazon on July 27, 2008, 10:18:05 PM
not sure but he could lose the white male vote about everywhere, won't he?  Is there a white male vote in DC?


Title: Re: states where obama will win the white male vote?
Post by: ChrisFromNJ on July 27, 2008, 10:55:14 PM
Why do people think he will win the white male vote in Illinois?


Title: Re: states where obama will win the white male vote?
Post by: Nym90 on July 27, 2008, 11:02:36 PM
District of Columbia
Vermont
Rhode Island
Massachusetts
Hawai'i
Washington
Connecticut
Maine
Minnesota
Illinois
Iowa

Outside chance at New Hampshire and Wisconsin also.


Title: Re: states where obama will win the white male vote?
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on July 27, 2008, 11:32:02 PM
Why do people think he will win the white male vote in Illinois?

Because he's bound to do better than Kerry in his homestate, and Kerry only lost it by 3 points?


Title: Re: states where obama will win the white male vote?
Post by: Tender Branson on January 25, 2009, 03:42:28 PM
Why do people think he will win the white male vote in Illinois?

Because he's bound to do better than Kerry in his homestate, and Kerry only lost it by 3 points?

Interesting: He lost it by 7 points (53-46) ...


Title: Re: states where obama will win the white male vote?
Post by: Verily on January 25, 2009, 04:05:09 PM
Why do people think he will win the white male vote in Illinois?

Because he's bound to do better than Kerry in his homestate, and Kerry only lost it by 3 points?

Interesting: He lost it by 7 points (53-46) ...

Exit polls both years were probably off. Lost by 3 points sounds like this year; Kerry probably lost it by 15 points or so in Illinois. Other state changes look really suspicious, like Rhode Island, and they should. MoEs are large.

Anyway...

This took me a hot minute, but here is the White Male Only map (according to CNN's exits):

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Electoral Vote:

McCain 408
Obama 109
Tied 21

Popular Vote:

McCain 57%
Obama 41%
Others 2%

Barack would be screwed in the old days.

White Female Only map coming later...


Among other things, it shows how the Solid South didn't go away, it just switched parties.