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Title: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 19, 2008, 07:52:40 PM
I don't want to post a topic every time I have a cool story.  So I'm going to post them here and I encourage others to as well.

Obama Uses "He" Pronoun When Discussing His VP
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/08/obama-uses-he-p.html
"Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, is almost always diligent about saying "he or she" when discussing his potential running mate.

But at a lively town hall meeting in the Tarheel State Tuesday evening, the senator -- who is expected to announce his vice presidential pick at the end of this week -- used a decidedly male pronoun.

Asked what his plan is to utilize his vice president as President Bush utilized his, Obama said, "Let me tell you first what I won’t do. I won’t hand over my energy policy to my vice president, without knowing necessarily what he’s doing."


Virginian officialls called in to discuss line of succession
http://www.palmettoscoop.com/2008/08/19/insider-virginia-gov-held-line-of-succession-meeting/

A source inside the beltway informed me that high ranking officials throughout Virginia were recently summoned to the governor's office for an emergency meeting which reportedly involved discussions on the line of succession if and when Kaine steps down to become Obama's running mate.

The officials were mandated to leave an out-of-state conference and return to the state capitol in Richmond immediately.

Due to the confidential nature of the meeting, details are scarce but the source said that either Obama will choose Kaine, or Kaine was given the impression that he would be chosen.


Biden on Obama's VP Pick: 'I'm Not The Guy'
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/08/biden-on-obamas.html

As Delaware Sen. Joe Biden was leaving his house in Wilmington this afternoon, he slowed down and said to the gathered news reporters outside his home: "Hey guys, I'm not the guy. See ya."

UPDATE:

Biden returned from his outing to dial back his "its not me" statement from earlier.

He rolled down his passenger side window and said to reporters don't you have anything better to do?

The "It's not me" from earlier is now "I have not spoken with anyone" repeated several times to several different questions.

Have you spoken to the Obama campaign?

"I have not spoken to anyone."

So you're not ruling out you could be picked?

"I have not spoken to anyone."

"You guys know as well as I do,' he said as he drove down his driveway with admonitions that your staker outers should be careful on the treacherous road outside his house.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: skoods on August 19, 2008, 07:57:19 PM
Ugh no no no Kaine...anyone but Kaine.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 19, 2008, 08:01:04 PM
Ugh no no no Kaine...anyone but Kaine.

Probably won't be.  This story is a bit old but relevant:

Kaine earn's VP Silver Medal
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/13/AR2008081304137.html?hpid=topnews

A source close to Kaine said this past Tuesday night -- before yesterday morning's announcement about Warner -- that the governor believed he would "get the silver medal" in the vice presidential sweepstakes. Obama's decision to make security the theme on the night his running mate speaks is regarded by party observers as a subtle hint that Kaine and other governors without foreign policy credentials might be less likely choices.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 19, 2008, 09:00:15 PM
Significant because one of the themes for the VP's selection day is bipartisanship.

Cross Hagel off the long-shot list and onto the cabinet list
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/08/12/veep-stakes-cross-hagel-off-the-obama-list/

A spokesman for Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska offered one of the more Shermanesque statements today responding to the ongoing chatter of whether there’s a place for Hagel on Barack Obama’s vice presidential short-list.

The talk sparked again after former Iowa Republican Rep. Jim Leach, in a conference call discussing his support for Obama, said he viewed Hagel as a top choice to be the Democrat’s running mate.

Hagel, who is retiring from the Senate, traveled with Obama on his recent trip to Iraq, and he has not endorsed either Obama or Republican colleague John McCain in the race. Jordan Stark, Hagel’s spokesman, made it clear that it’s going to stay that way.

“Senator Hagel has no intention in getting involved in any of the campaigns, and is not planning to endorse either candidate,” Stark said in a statement. “He will be in Central and South America during both conventions on official travel. Senator Hagel is focused on his job serving the people of Nebraska as a United States Senator.”

Got it?



Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Bay Ridge, Bklyn! Born and Bred on August 19, 2008, 09:03:52 PM
Barry once again reiterates the qualities he is looking for in a running mate at a townhall rally in North Carolina, which sounds to me that he has already made his decision.

His running mate will "shares his passion", has "integrity", who is in politics "for the right reasons".

Link (http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/NewsStory.aspx?cpath=20080819%5cACQDJON200808192032DOWJONESDJONLINE000472.htm&&mypage=newsheadlines&title=Obama%20Details%20Vice%20Presidential%20Qualities,%20But%20No%20Names)

Reading between the lines, I would say Tim Kaine.   Hilarious.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Bacon King on August 19, 2008, 09:07:23 PM
Not Kaine. Please.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 19, 2008, 09:10:21 PM
Barry once again reiterates the qualities he is looking for in a running mate at a townhall rally in North Carolina, which sounds to me that he has already made his decision.

His running mate will "shares his passion", has "integrity", who is in politics "for the right reasons".

Link (http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/NewsStory.aspx?cpath=20080819%5cACQDJON200808192032DOWJONESDJONLINE000472.htm&&mypage=newsheadlines&title=Obama%20Details%20Vice%20Presidential%20Qualities,%20But%20No%20Names)


Reading between the lines, I would say Tim Kaine.   Hilarious.


There's nobody he could pick that you wouldn't find "hilarious", so who cares?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 19, 2008, 09:11:25 PM

It'd be a better choice than Bayh, that's for sure.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Bay Ridge, Bklyn! Born and Bred on August 19, 2008, 09:12:40 PM
Another theory of mine as to why Obama is waiting later in the week in unveiling his running mate:  if it's indeed Kaine, Obama does not want the potential embarrasment of his running mate selection not giving him a significant bump in the tracking polls, since Kaine is such an unknown and looks funny.

Kaine = epic fail.



Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 19, 2008, 09:14:14 PM
Another theory of mine as to why Obama is waiting later in the week in unveiling his running mate:  if it's indeed Kaine, Obama does not want the potential embarrasment of his running mate selection not giving him a significant bump in the tracking polls, since Kaine is such an unknown and looks funny.

Kaine = epic fail.

And why would Obama intentionally pick someone he feels is an embarrassment again?

Your idea works just as well for Bayh.  It makes sense that Obama's campaign doesn't want to give the media time to cover the far left's outrage over Bayh before his convention speech.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: skoods on August 19, 2008, 09:14:28 PM
Barry once again reiterates the qualities he is looking for in a running mate at a townhall rally in North Carolina, which sounds to me that he has already made his decision.

His running mate will "shares his passion", has "integrity", who is in politics "for the right reasons".

Link (http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/NewsStory.aspx?cpath=20080819%5cACQDJON200808192032DOWJONESDJONLINE000472.htm&&mypage=newsheadlines&title=Obama%20Details%20Vice%20Presidential%20Qualities,%20But%20No%20Names)


Reading between the lines, I would say Tim Kaine.   Hilarious.


He has to say that...what's he going to say? "My running mate will be an A-hole who doesn't like America and is stupid."? Come on.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Bay Ridge, Bklyn! Born and Bred on August 19, 2008, 09:17:35 PM
Not true.  I would find someone like Bill Nelson somewhat of a pleasant surprise, and I would be the first to praise Obama in his choice, if for no other reason that it would be unexpected and the campaign should be commended for holding a thing this big in total secrecy.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Sarnstrom on August 19, 2008, 09:26:02 PM
Kaine would be the best choice. He can help with electoral votes unlike the other two leading candidates. He's nearly perfect on the issues and he didn't vote to lead the country into one of the greatest foreign policy disasters ever. He's always a great campaigner, he did a terrific job on Meet The Press Sunday even Chris Cillizza of the Washington Post gave him a gold medal for his performance. The visual image of Obama and Kaine together is more appealing than the other possible tickets.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Bay Ridge, Bklyn! Born and Bred on August 19, 2008, 09:43:38 PM
Bayh-haters, there is yet another reason to rejoice.

His wife's corporate ties raises conflict-of-interest issues that may be harming Bayh's chances in the 11th hour of the Messiah's Choosing.   The last thing Obama needs is a running mate with Ferraro spouse issues.

http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/news/local/27150089.html

And for the record: I would totally do Susan Bayh.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Bay Ridge, Bklyn! Born and Bred on August 19, 2008, 10:06:23 PM
CBS News now confirming the Obama campaign plans to announce their decision to supporters via email and text on Friday afternoon?

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/08/19/politics/horserace/entry4364243.shtml

Jesus.  What sort of horrendous choice does Obama have in store for us that he has to announce it on the day traditionally reserved for announcing bad news?   LOL


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 19, 2008, 10:21:22 PM
AFAIK, CBS is still the lone source to report as fact that the timing of the announcement will definitely be Friday afternoon, and they're not even doing it in a regular news story.  It's in a blog post on the "Horserace" blog.  So I remain a little skeptical until other outlets report it too.  Marc Ambinder (which the CBS blog post references) had earlier suggested it might be Friday, but is now walking that back, saying maybe Thursday:

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/08/obama_what_we_know_and_dont_kn.php

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(A) Obama's going to have to make the pick by Saturday afternoon.  I originally reported that it'd be the first appearance with his ticket-mate. Then my sources got skittish and weren't so sure. The Obama campaign wisely let me stew in my own confusion and would not confirm to other reporters what I had reported. I still think that's it right, but I don't know for sure.

(B) I don't think Obama's going to announce the pick on Friday. Why? Because it's Friday. Why would you announce a pick on Friday?

(C) The best day to announce the pick would be Thursday. That'd let the nominee have a day to prepare for Saturday's speech. BTW: Are people going to watch the Olympics on Saturday? Or Obama's kick-off.

(D) Obama is scheduled to be in Virginia on Thursday.

(E) Announcing has several parts to it:

     I. Obama calls his pick. 

    II. Obama calls the folks he didn't pick.

    III. Someone tells Joe Rospars who the pick is, and Rospars sends out text and e-mails.

   IV. The pick is "announced."

(F) The aftermath has several parts, too.

   Hit one: the media confirms the pick and broadcasts it.

   Hit two: the pick makes a short statement outside his or her home.

   Hit three: Obama makes a brief statement about the pick.

   Hit four: Obama and the pick make their first appearance together.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 19, 2008, 10:41:02 PM
Michael Moore wants Carolina Kennedy to select.... herself!
http://www.opednews.com/articles/-Caroline-Pull-a-Cheney--by-from-Michael-Moore-080819-372.html

Here's the juicy parts:

As for Governor Kaine of Virginia, his big problem is, well, Obama's big problem -- who is he? The toughest thing Barack has had to overcome -- and it will continue to be his biggest obstacle -- is that too many of the voters simply don't know him well enough to vote for him. The fact that Obama is new to the scene is both one of his most attractive qualities AND his biggest drawback. Too many Americans, who on the surface seem to like Barack Obama, just don't feel comfortable voting for someone who hasn't been on the national scene very long. It's a comfort level thing, and it may be just what keeps Obama from winning in November ("I'd rather vote for the devil I know than the devil I don't know").

What Obama needs is a vice presidential candidate who is NOT a professional politician, but someone who is well-known and beloved by people across the political spectrum; someone who, like Obama, spoke out against the war; someone who has a good and generous heart, who will be cheered by the rest of the world; someone whom we've known and loved and admired all our lives and who has dedicated her life to public service and to the greater good for all.

That person, Caroline, is you.


Michael Moore also signs with an AOL.com email address.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: WalterMitty on August 19, 2008, 10:46:37 PM
Michael Moore wants Carolina Kennedy to select.... herself!
http://www.opednews.com/articles/-Caroline-Pull-a-Cheney--by-from-Michael-Moore-080819-372.html

Here's the juicy parts:

As for Governor Kaine of Virginia, his big problem is, well, Obama's big problem -- who is he? The toughest thing Barack has had to overcome -- and it will continue to be his biggest obstacle -- is that too many of the voters simply don't know him well enough to vote for him. The fact that Obama is new to the scene is both one of his most attractive qualities AND his biggest drawback. Too many Americans, who on the surface seem to like Barack Obama, just don't feel comfortable voting for someone who hasn't been on the national scene very long. It's a comfort level thing, and it may be just what keeps Obama from winning in November ("I'd rather vote for the devil I know than the devil I don't know").

What Obama needs is a vice presidential candidate who is NOT a professional politician, but someone who is well-known and beloved by people across the political spectrum; someone who, like Obama, spoke out against the war; someone who has a good and generous heart, who will be cheered by the rest of the world; someone whom we've known and loved and admired all our lives and who has dedicated her life to public service and to the greater good for all.

That person, Caroline, is you.


Michael Moore also signs with an AOL.com email address.

not long ago, i was on another message board and a democrat also suggested the caroline kennedy for vp idea.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 19, 2008, 10:50:00 PM
They just love the sound of Obama/Kennedy and they know that there would be very little backlash among women.

But seriously.  The VP search team is the biggest amount of managerial experience she's had in her entire life by an order of magnitude.  I mean, she's worked in an art museum and as a lawyer and that's it.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: ShadowRocket on August 19, 2008, 11:06:09 PM
I imagine that Susan Bayh's corporate connections would've come up during vetting. Would Bayh have ended up being a finalist if those connections would cause any problems?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 19, 2008, 11:30:20 PM
Howard Fineman of Newsweek writes this:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26288748/

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I've recently spoken with two of the finalists for the role of Barack Obama's running-mate, and to two other sources who are close to the process.

My bottom line is this: Barring a big surprise or last-minute change of heart, the choice is likely to be Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee.
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"If I had to bet my life on it, I'd bet it is Joe," said one of the other contenders.

Said another, "Barack is moving toward a seasoned Beltway type, and that probably means Biden."

And a source personally close to Obama simply said "Biden makes the most sense."

One of the contenders also revealed a tidbit about timing. That person says Obama's camp wants to know how to get in touch on Thursday afternoon.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 19, 2008, 11:36:04 PM
Why not Jack Reed instead of Biden?

Oh well, as long as it isn't Bayh.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 19, 2008, 11:42:04 PM

Reed has already indicated that he doesn't want the job, and would turn it down if offered.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 19, 2008, 11:43:47 PM
Note on Morden's post, the strategist did not say that he would bet his life on Biden, only that if you put a gun to his head he would say Biden.  That's a pretty weak prognosis haha.

Reed wouldn't submit to being vetted.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-clemons/why-radio-silence-can-be_b_119933.html

Wesley Clark and Bill Richardson were not seriously considered according to sources -- and Jack
Reed, who Obama likes a great deal, would not allow himself to be vetted. I don't believe Chris Dodd was high on the list.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Tender Branson on August 19, 2008, 11:45:29 PM
I think Evan Bayh will be Obama's VP.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: WalterMitty on August 19, 2008, 11:46:20 PM
Note on Morden's post, the strategist did not say that he would bet his life on Biden, only that if you put a gun to his head he would say Biden.  That's a pretty weak prognosis haha.

Reed wouldn't submit to being vetted.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-clemons/why-radio-silence-can-be_b_119933.html

Wesley Clark and Bill Richardson were not seriously considered according to sources -- and Jack
Reed, who Obama likes a great deal, would not allow himself to be vetted. I don't believe Chris Dodd was high on the list.


but according to the ny times, dodd was vetted.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 20, 2008, 01:21:58 AM
Nothing inconsistent about that.  Hell, Dodd probably asked to be vetted.

Sebelius has no public events scheduled for Saturday  That's right, I get you news less than twelve minutes old from the Topeka Kansas Journal.
http://cjonline.com/stories/082008/kan_320718864.shtml

A senior Obama adviser told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity Tuesday that Obama and his veep choice will appear together in front of the former state Capitol in Illinois on Saturday, where he announced he was running for president in 2007.

Sebelius' office has released no public appearances for Saturday.

Adding to the din of political voices, local observers weighed in Tuesday on why Sebelius isn't likely to be plucked for the presidential ticket (but also why she could just buck the pundits).

For one, in political calculations, she doesn't appear to bring anything to Obama's campaign that he doesn't already have.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 20, 2008, 01:24:54 AM
ONLY OBAMASEBELIUS.COM IS OWNED BY THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN
same link as post above

The Web site www.tribble agency.com reviewed the owners of such Internet domain names such as www.obamasebelius.com and www.obamakaine.com. According to the site, only the Sebelius site is owned by the Obama campaign. On another speculative front, some in the blogosphere pointed out that Sebelius had been removed from her speaking engagement at the Democratic convention. (Recent credible reports show she is still scheduled to talk next Tuesday in Denver.)


update: my personal research shows the website is owned by a weird group called "OBAMASEBELIUS.COM@domainsbyproxy.com" out of Scottsdale, Arizona.  The other ObamaVP.com sites are usually owned by individuals, so I believe this story.  I don't think Sebelius is the one, but I believe this rumor.  But the domain was registered in 2007.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 20, 2008, 10:55:29 AM
Eh, since there is some hype about an NC schedule change, I think I'll post this again.

Mike Easley isn't interested and got eliminated early, he says
http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/content/2008/aug/19/agency-trip-leave/news/
If Barack Obama is considering Gov. Mike Easley as his running mate, Easley says he doesn't know about it.

"Not that I'm aware of," Easley said Monday, in response to a reporter's question about whether the presumptive Democratic presidential candidate has been vetting him. "I guess you could say I may have gotten eliminated early and not know it."

So, governor, the Obama campaign hasn't asked you for any background information?

"No," Easley said. "I mean, you could get all that online now anyway. To be as specific as possible, I don't have any interest in going to Washington."


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 20, 2008, 11:27:45 AM
Obama buys pound cake in Greensboro but does not announce VP, off to VIRGINIA
http://www.thestate.com/scpolitics-wire/story/496290.html

GREENSBORO, N.C. --
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama made an unannounced stop in Greensboro on Wednesday, greeting voters at a farmer's market while taking care to avoid questions about plans to name a running mate.

The Illinois senator spoke with a number of shoppers about their families, munched on homemade biscuits and purchased some pound cake, tomatoes and corn, along with a number of other items for the road.

There were no hints from Obama as to a possible running mate. His supporters are awaiting a text message this week with that news, and Obama is expected to campaign later this week with his choice back home in Illinois.

He simply joked with reporters who brought up the subject Wednesday: "You know, you're right, I'm just going to give you the scoop right now," he kidded one.

Obama left North Carolina for a town hall in Virginia after the brief appearance. On Tuesday, he held a town hall event in Raleigh and told supporters in the state capital he will "need to win" in North Carolina in November to beat expected GOP nominee John McCain in their race for the White House.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 20, 2008, 11:46:44 AM
RE:Kaine
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/08/im-hearing.html#comments

The event scheduled with Tim Kaine on Thursday is apparently invitation-only, and would not be all that well suited to a VP unveil. If it's going to be Kaine, in other words, Obama would probably need to announce today.



Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 20, 2008, 11:51:11 AM

The event scheduled with Tim Kaine on Thursday is apparently invitation-only, and would not be all that well suited to a VP unveil. If it's going to be Kaine, in other words, Obama would probably need to announce today.


Also, other sources have reportd that the appearance in Springfield on Saturday would be the first joint appearance between Obama and his running mate.  Maybe, just seconds before Obama's appearance with Kaine tomorrow, he should turn to Kaine and say "Oh, by the way, I just offered the job to Joe Biden."  ;)


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Grumpier Than Uncle Joe on August 20, 2008, 11:56:34 AM
walter mitty's favorite political guru chuck todd says 'mccain insiders' have told him lieberman or pawlenty (pawlenty as the safe easy pic).


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 20, 2008, 11:56:45 AM
I must say that Obama is handling this Vice Presidential thing quite well.

The only question is whether everyone is going to wind up being let down by the eventual pick.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 20, 2008, 11:57:35 AM
walter mitty's favorite political guru chuck todd says 'mccain insiders' have told him lieberman or pawlenty (pawlenty as the safe easy pic).

There have been lots of clues for a while now that point to Pawlenty.  I'd be rather surprised if it wasn't.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: WalterMitty on August 20, 2008, 12:00:46 PM
I must say that Obama is handling this Vice Presidential thing quite well.

The only question is whether everyone is going to wind up being let down by the eventual pick.

no people...obama supporters in particular, wont be let down.

whoever is picked, the media will portray the choice as the best ever.

you can count on that.

i, on the other hand, will be let down.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 20, 2008, 12:00:54 PM
I concur.  I give an outside chance for Portman.  But Pawlenty has really done the talkshow circuit amazingly well.

Obama to campaign with Webb today in Lynchburg
http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/news.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2008-08-18-0220.html
Sen. Barack Obama has added a Lynchburg appearance with Sen. Jim Webb to his pass through Virginia this Wednesday.

Webb and Obama will hold a town hall meeting with voters, which will focus on improving the economy and Obama's plans for a tax cut for middle-class families and $4,000 in college tuition tax credits, according to the campaign. The event is free and open to the public.

Earlier Wednesday, Obama and former Gov. Mark R. Warner will visit Martinsville. There, they will meet with workers and families who have been affected by what the Obama campaign calls the "failed trade policies of the Bush administration, policies [Arizona Sen.] John McCain promises to continue."

Of the 134 counties and cities in the state, Martinsville has the highest unemployment rate, measured in June at 11.4 percent.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 20, 2008, 12:03:45 PM
http://www.nashvillepost.com/news/2008/8/20/obama_team_to_hold_major_event_saturday_in_bayhs_indiana

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NashvillePost.com has learned that senior campaign officials from the Barack Obama Presidential campaign are being dispatched from various locations around the country and are converging in Indianapolis for a “major event” to take place on Saturday.

Saturday is the same day that Obama is expected to make his first public appearance with his yet to be announced vice presidential running mate. Indiana is the home state of Democratic Senator Evan Bayh, widely considered to be on the short list of Democratic vice presidential contenders.

Sources in Denver, the site of next week's Democratic National Convention, say that individuals responsible for Obama's major public appearances have been pulled out of the city and are heading east towards Indiana.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 20, 2008, 12:08:07 PM
!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Grumpier Than Uncle Joe on August 20, 2008, 12:10:37 PM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12659.html

Obama and Kaine meeting tonight


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: WalterMitty on August 20, 2008, 12:11:25 PM
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Earlier Wednesday, Obama and former Gov. Mark R. Warner will visit Martinsville. There, they will meet with workers and families who have been affected by what the Obama campaign calls the "failed trade policies of the Bush administration, policies [Arizona Sen.] John McCain promises to continue."

i see this is obama's week to be a protectionist.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 20, 2008, 12:12:24 PM
Haha
Indiana railroader picked for Dem convention
http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=8872050


An Indiana railroad worker will be among those getting a moment at the Democratic convention to help portray Barack Obama as the people's champion and counter GOP characterizations of him as an out-of-touch celebrity.

Mike Fisher is an Amtrak machinist from Beech Grove. He will talk about Obama's visit to his house for a lunch of Subway sandwiches.

He jokes that his family is the "whole ball of wax" when it comes to Obama's campaign platform - he worries about job security, two of his children are struggling to pay college loans, his son has a new baby and no health insurance, and his son-in-law is in the National Guard facing possible deployment to Iraq.


BUT WHAT DAY


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 20, 2008, 12:14:49 PM
What time is Obama's event with Kaine tomorrow?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 20, 2008, 12:18:08 PM
Ambinder:

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/08/putting_the_clues_together_sti.php

Quote
If Howard Fineman's reporting is correct, and potential vice presidential nominees have been asked to stand by on Thursday afternoon for "the call," then we ought to expect some sort of an announcement on Thursday afternoon before the evening news.

I just don't get the sense that there'll be an announcement on Friday. Something else is happening Friday; not sure what it is. I bet Obama is going to spend the day rehearsing his convention speech and attending to some other business.

It makes sense for Obama to announce his pick a full day before he appears with him or her; that person has to get his or her affairs in order. If that person is a governor of a state, he or she has to implement transition plans. A governor can't just up and leave a state for two weeks even if transition planning has already begun. (I am told that it has protectively begun in Virginia, not based on them possessing any special knowledge, but based on Gov. Kaine's staff being proactive.)


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 20, 2008, 12:19:23 PM
What time is Obama's event with Kaine tomorrow?


not sure.
Obama meeting underway
Invitation-only audience told they would be among first notified of VP candidate
http://www.martinsvillebulletin.com/article.cfm?ID=15201

Obama, the presumed Democratic nominee for president, is holding an invitation-only event today at an undisclosed time and location. It has been speculated the campaign will announce Gov. Tim Kaine as the vice presidential candidate.

By 10 a.m. Wednesday, a long line of people winded around in front of a building in Henry County, eager to attend the late-morning meeting. Before they were allowed access, attendees were required to pass through a metal detector, and security wands were then waved over each person as a secondary precaution.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 20, 2008, 12:36:35 PM
Politico has picked up on the Nashville Post's story and is giving front-page treatment to the major event in Indianapolis!


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 20, 2008, 12:38:13 PM
All of the prospects have been asked where they will be tomorrow afternoon
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12659.html
According to Newsweek's Howard Fineman, the prospects will know soon: They've been asked where they can be reached tomorrow afternoon.

With the political press corps on hair-trigger alert, Bill Burton, the Obama campaign's puckish national press secretary, sent reporters an e-mail Wednesday morning with the subject line, "Vice Presidential ..."

When they opened it, it said, "Just kidding." Coulda been: "August fool!"


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 20, 2008, 12:39:26 PM
What time is Obama's event with Kaine tomorrow?


not sure.
Obama meeting underway
Invitation-only audience told they would be among first notified of VP candidate
http://www.martinsvillebulletin.com/article.cfm?ID=15201

Obama, the presumed Democratic nominee for president, is holding an invitation-only event today at an undisclosed time and location. It has been speculated the campaign will announce Gov. Tim Kaine as the vice presidential candidate.

By 10 a.m. Wednesday, a long line of people winded around in front of a building in Henry County, eager to attend the late-morning meeting. Before they were allowed access, attendees were required to pass through a metal detector, and security wands were then waved over each person as a secondary precaution.


Reading that article carefully, it seems to be a little misleading:

Quote
Anna Scott, regional director for this part of Virginia, encouraged attendees to text “VP” on their cell phone to 62262 (“Obama” on a telephone keypad).

A “Thank You” reply comes in the return text that also states “you will be among the first to get the message” and the phone will “buzz” with the name soon.

Aren't they just telling these people to sign up for the very same text message VP announcement that's already been reported in the media (and is available to anyone who wants to sign up)?  Then the article says:

Quote
Obama, the presumed Democratic nominee for president, is holding an invitation-only event today at an undisclosed time and location. It has been speculated the campaign will announce Gov. Tim Kaine as the vice presidential candidate.

What is the relationship between those two sentences?  Are they saying that it's been speculated that Kaine will be announced as the VP choice *at that meeting*?  Or just that there's this meeting that Obama's going to in Virginia, and Virginia also happens to be the home state of one of Kaine, who is a leading VP contender?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 20, 2008, 12:42:14 PM
All of the prospects have been asked where they will be tomorrow afternoon
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12659.html
According to Newsweek's Howard Fineman, the prospects will know soon: They've been asked where they can be reached tomorrow afternoon.

Yeah, that was mentioned last night:

Howard Fineman of Newsweek writes this:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26288748/

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I've recently spoken with two of the finalists for the role of Barack Obama's running-mate, and to two other sources who are close to the process.

My bottom line is this: Barring a big surprise or last-minute change of heart, the choice is likely to be Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee.
.
.
.

"If I had to bet my life on it, I'd bet it is Joe," said one of the other contenders.

Said another, "Barack is moving toward a seasoned Beltway type, and that probably means Biden."

And a source personally close to Obama simply said "Biden makes the most sense."

One of the contenders also revealed a tidbit about timing. That person says Obama's camp wants to know how to get in touch on Thursday afternoon.



Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 20, 2008, 12:42:46 PM
Haha, yeah I realized the headline was a bit misleading after posting the article but then I was too lazy to edit.  Yeah it's not a good article, but it was just to tell us what Obama is doing this second.

edit: oops on the redundant polico article then.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 20, 2008, 01:55:52 PM
An Obama aide has denied the report of a big Saturday event in Indiana:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12659.html


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 20, 2008, 02:47:16 PM
Sebelius declines to speculate
http://cjonline.com/stories/082008/bre_veep.shtml

“I don’t have any idea,” Sebelius said before a ceremony at Fort Riley.

Obama, the presumed Democratic presidential nominee, was thought to have narrowed his list of potential running mates to four, including Sebelius. The others are Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh, Delaware Sen. Joe Biden and Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine.

Sebelius declined to speculate about her chances today. At Fort Riley to participate in a ceremony marking an agreement meant to strengthen ties between the Army post and surrounding communities, Sebelius said she was focused on her duties as governor.

“As I’ve told you for months, all questions about the process and the timetable come from the campaign,” Sebelius said.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 20, 2008, 02:48:27 PM
Obama says Kaine is a wonderful governor
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/20/obama-kaine-doing-such-a-great-job/

After giving a shout out to perceived vice presidential shortlister Sen. Joe Biden on Tuesday, Obama praised another leading contender, Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine, while campaigning Wednesday in the southern part of the state.

With former Virginia governor – and U.S. Senate candidate - Mark Warner at his side, Obama applauded the two governors for the worked they’ve done to make cars more fuel-efficient.

“We’ve got to partner with our governors to come up with these plans the way that Mark Warner did such a wonderful job when he was governor and the way that Tim Kaine is currently doing such a great job as governor of Virginia.”


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 20, 2008, 04:08:29 PM
Nunn says he's not being vetted
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/shared-blogs/ajc/politicalinsider/entries/2008/08/18/nunn_on_the_russiangeorgian_co.html

Anything new on the vice presidential front?

The answer to that is no. All I know is what I read in the newspapers.

Has the Obama campaign asked you to submit documents for a background check?

The only person who’s asking about my assets, my liabilities, the way I’m spending my money, where that money is coming from, primarily, is my wife. And there’s nothing I can do about that.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: WalterMitty on August 20, 2008, 04:11:47 PM
i do not believe nunn was ever under serious consideration.

it was obama throwing a bone to white, southern males.



Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 20, 2008, 04:14:45 PM
i do not believe nunn was ever under serious consideration.

it was obama throwing a bone to white, southern males.



True.  I thought it was odd that Obama said his three most trusted advisers were his wife, his grandmother, and Nunn (whom he rarely talks to and probably barely knows).  When I looked up how Nunn voted against the Iraq War I thought it was him for a few hours before I came to my senses and held onto my Bayh prediction.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 20, 2008, 07:42:24 PM
Thanks Nym for unlocking this thread.  Dave, if you lock it again could you hit me up so I can understand what I did wrong for the future?  Cheers.

For some reason, my VP tips thread was locked, so here is a relevant story:

Rush endorses Biden
link (http://townhall.com/columnists/AmandaCarpenter/2008/08/20/limbaugh_wants_obama-biden_ticket&Comments=true)
Conservative talk radio titan Rush Limbaugh relished the prospect of an Obama-Biden Democratic presidential ticket on his broadcast Wednesday.

“I really hope it’s Biden,” Limbaugh told his listeners. “You don’t want to say that too loud, but I really do hope that it’s Joe Biden, because we’ve got mountains of archival audio on Joe Biden.”

“Plus, the arrogance factor times two,” Rush added. “Biden and the Messiah would just be delicious.”



Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 20, 2008, 08:03:35 PM


“I really hope it’s Biden,” Limbaugh told his listeners. “You don’t want to say that too loud, but I really do hope that it’s Joe Biden, because we’ve got mountains of archival audio on Joe Biden.”

“Plus, the arrogance factor times two,” Rush added. “Biden and the Messiah would just be delicious.” [/i]


Wow, I've found myself agreeing with Rush twice in the same week! Insane!


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 20, 2008, 10:15:29 PM
When I looked up how Nunn voted against the Iraq War I thought it was him for a few hours before I came to my senses and held onto my Bayh prediction.

To clarify, it was the Gulf War that Nunn voted against.  Nunn was already out of the Senate at the time of the Iraq War vote.  But he was publicly against the Iraq War at the beginning, as I understand it.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: ilikeverin on August 20, 2008, 10:17:43 PM
Wow, I don't think anyone can disagree with the suggestion that Obama's camp is doing a great job with this unveil.  About five hundred misleading hints in one day alone.  Bravo.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 20, 2008, 10:19:14 PM
When I looked up how Nunn voted against the Iraq War I thought it was him for a few hours before I came to my senses and held onto my Bayh prediction.

To clarify, it was the Gulf War that Nunn voted against.  Nunn was already out of the Senate at the time of the Iraq War vote.  But he was publicly against the Iraq War at the beginning, as I understand it.


Oops!  Well, that's even better, it makes him fit in with Obama.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 20, 2008, 10:36:46 PM
Wow, I don't think anyone can disagree with the suggestion that Obama's camp is doing a great job with this unveil.  About five hundred misleading hints in one day alone.  Bravo.

If confusing the press and people like us is what they're going for, I agree. It flips from Bayh to Biden to Kaine every 15 minutes.

Now, it would be truly hilarious if it was somebody outside of those three.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: ucscgaldamez on August 20, 2008, 10:42:32 PM
Hillary will be in California this weekend...this may suggest that she's really out of the running....I know it has been said all along...but I still had some hope.

http://www.fresnobee.com/updates/story/811694.html



Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: phk on August 20, 2008, 10:50:11 PM
Hillary will be in California this weekend...this may suggest that she's really out of the running....I know it has been said all along...but I still had some hope.

http://www.fresnobee.com/updates/story/811694.html



I think I'll be in Fresno around the time. I should go check it out.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Bay Ridge, Bklyn! Born and Bred on August 20, 2008, 10:51:46 PM
For what it's worth, according to Dick Durbin, Obama is still undecided and is still mulling his choices as of this afternoon.

"He was going through each name, talking about pluses and minuses," said Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin. "I just told him the bottom line -- he knows it -- pick a person you can work with who can help lead this country."

http://www.nbc5.com/politics/17247535/detail.html?rss=chi&psp=news

Damn.  From my take on this article, it appears Obama was never intending to pull a choice from left field.  :(


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 20, 2008, 10:53:57 PM
He's still unsure? Maybe we really won't know until Saturday.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 21, 2008, 08:58:49 AM
Biden's son will be deployed to Iraq on October 3rd, which happens to be just 1 day after the vice presidential debate in St. Louis:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/20/bidens_son_off_to_iraq.html


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 21, 2008, 09:12:32 AM
Oo oo.  Here's a big clue:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/21/1280082.aspx

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And in DC, Bayh dragged a gym bag behind his car for about a block Wednesday after leaving his garage. He opened his passenger door to free the bag but drove off without it. Reporters staking out his Washington home returned it to his front door and he later retrieved it.

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 21, 2008, 10:05:58 AM
Here's what I've uncovered about Obama's schedule today:

Obama is right now at an invitation only gathering with Tim Kaine in Richmond (it started at 10:30am Eastern):

http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/news.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2008-08-21-0157.html

After that, Obama heads down to Chesapeake (without Kaine), which is about 2 hours' drive away (though he may be flying....I don't know....with Secret Service, that might be easier).  There's a town hall meeting in Chesapeake:

http://www.wvec.com/news/topstories/stories/wvec_local_082008_obama_chesapeake.17310f17.html

Doors open for that town hall meeting at 4:30pm, but I don't know what time the event actually starts.  Anyway, assuming that the event in Richmond doesn't go on for hours and hours, that leaves Obama a few hours in the afternoon, where all he's doing is going from Richmond to Chesapeake (and he could certainly talk on the phone in the car or the plane, as somone else will be driving/flying him).

Howard Fineman said that one of the VP contenders indicated that the Obama people told him to be available for a call on Thursday afternoon.  So it's entirely plausible that Obama will be calling his VP choice this afternoon, and then calling the finalists who were not chosen after that.  Once that happens, the Obama campaign will probably send out the announcement, because it's only a matter of time before it leaks once that many people know.

Of course, that's pure speculation on my part.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Erc on August 21, 2008, 10:18:39 AM
A quick historical note...

Every Democrat who has announced their VP choice before the convention [every pick after the choice of Mondale in '76] has done so at least four days before the convention. 

Today is four days before the convention.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 21, 2008, 10:27:47 AM
Oo oo.  Here's a big clue:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/21/1280082.aspx

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And in DC, Bayh dragged a gym bag behind his car for about a block Wednesday after leaving his garage. He opened his passenger door to free the bag but drove off without it. Reporters staking out his Washington home returned it to his front door and he later retrieved it.

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?


IF HE FORGETS HIS GYMBAG MAYBE HE WILL FORGET NUCELAR LAUNCH CODEZ

EVAN BAYH, UNFIT 4 SERVICE


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: WalterMitty on August 21, 2008, 11:10:31 AM
BREAKING NEWS:

http://www.wweek.com/wwire/?p=12796


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Beet on August 21, 2008, 11:27:10 AM
He pushed and kicked my mom back in 1999. I have it on videotape somewhere on my garage. If Obama picks Kaine it's going up on YouTube.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: elcorazon on August 21, 2008, 11:33:19 AM
I have video of McCain screwing Hillary, Walter.  And I suspect that you were the filmmaker, actually.  If Hillary is picked as veep, I'm releasing it.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: WalterMitty on August 21, 2008, 11:49:16 AM
guys, iposted that as a joke.

im skeptical as well.

and if true, the old biddy probably deserved a shove.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 21, 2008, 12:07:15 PM
Oo oo.  Here's a big clue:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/21/1280082.aspx

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And in DC, Bayh dragged a gym bag behind his car for about a block Wednesday after leaving his garage. He opened his passenger door to free the bag but drove off without it. Reporters staking out his Washington home returned it to his front door and he later retrieved it.

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?


That's just weird.  I guess he saw that the door wasn't closed all the way but did not realize the bag was there?  It'd just be awk if he intentionally left his bag on the street, right?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 21, 2008, 12:19:43 PM
BIDEN'S STOCK JUST TOOK A HUGE HIT  and humble Bayh gets a boost!

    One of the biggest moments in the campaign is going to be your announcement of a vice president. What is that decision going to tell voters about you?
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1834309,00.html

    Hopefully, the same thing that my campaign has told the American people about me. That I think through big decisions. I get a lot of input from a lot of people, and that ultimately, I try to surround myself with people who are about getting the job done, and who are not about ego, self-aggrandizement, getting their names in the press, but our focus on what's best for the American people.

    I think people will see that I'm not afraid to have folks around me who complement my strengths and who are independent. I'm not a believer in a government of yes-men. I think one of the failures of the early Bush Administration was being surrounded by people who were unwilling to deliver bad news, or who were prone to simply feed the president information that confirmed his own preconceptions.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: YRABNNRM on August 21, 2008, 12:27:10 PM
On the other hand, I see Bayh being much more of a "yes man" than Biden. Bayh also probably has his own future ambitions while Biden would probably be too old at the end of Obama's term, should he be elected.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 21, 2008, 01:48:00 PM
No Indianapolis?  New schedule up:
from Marc Ambinder

Per the campaign: Obama's in Eau Claire, Wisconsin on Sunday, the Quad Cities area in Iowa on Monday,  Kansas City, Missouri on Tuesday, Billings, Montana next Wednesday.

No Indianapolis....


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: skoods on August 21, 2008, 01:51:26 PM
Obama Meets Kaine's Staff
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080821/pl_politico/12688

Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) met privately for 15 minutes Thursday morning at the Omni Richmond hotel with the staff of one of his top two or three prospects for running mate, Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine.

Margaret Talev of McClatchy Newspapers, the pool reporter from the Obama press corps, reports that she asked the governor whether Obama has asked him to be his running mate.

Awkward!

Kaine replied: "I'm going to let the campaign speak for the campaign." Talev reports that he also declined to comment when she asked if he would rule it out.

Talev asked him what he and Obama talked about. Kaine answered: "He visited with my staff just to basically say hi to them and thank them for all their hard work."

Obama also took a photo with Kaine's staff. A thank-you, or a getting-to-know-you?

Obama isn’t expected to make his announcement today. But Friday or early Saturday, the eagerly awaited text messages and e-mails will go to supporters ahead of the ticket’s dramatic appearance at the Old State Capitol in Springfield, Ill. on Saturday.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 21, 2008, 02:43:36 PM
Obama makes his decision!  - but we don't know who it is yet
Politico frontpage

UPDATE: From Chester, Va., Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) tells USA Today he's settled on a running mate. Obama's not saying who that person is yet and may not even have informed the running mate of his decision.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 21, 2008, 02:52:17 PM
Oo oo.  Here's a big clue:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/21/1280082.aspx

Quote
And in DC, Bayh dragged a gym bag behind his car for about a block Wednesday after leaving his garage. He opened his passenger door to free the bag but drove off without it. Reporters staking out his Washington home returned it to his front door and he later retrieved it.

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?


IF HE FORGETS HIS GYMBAG MAYBE HE WILL FORGET NUCELAR LAUNCH CODEZ

EVAN BAYH, UNFIT 4 SERVICE

Oh my God, you're correct.  Also, here's another tantalizing clue from the veep paparazzi:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/21/1281749.aspx

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By this time, Biden had returned at his home, called the "Lake House" in Biden Land. Eventually his wife, Jill, and son, Beau, also arrived. But less than an hour passed before Biden left again, this time driving in a silver SUV with his wife, with nary a whisper -- or some munchables for the press.

BIDEN FAILS TO FEED THE PRESS, WHICH MEANS HE DOESN'T CARE IF YOU AND YOUR FAMILY STARVE


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: YRABNNRM on August 21, 2008, 03:15:15 PM
From the AP article...

Quote
CHICAGO - Barack Obama says he's decided on a running mate, but he won't say who. The Democratic presidential candidate told USA Today on Thursday that he went with someone who is independent and would challenge him in the White House. He also said he wanted someone who is prepared to be president and would help him strengthen the economy.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080821/ap_on_el_pr/veepstakes


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 21, 2008, 03:16:59 PM
To me, that doesn't strike me as a Clinton answer.  That seems like it could be a preemptive justification for a Bayh pick - he intentionally chose someone that doesn't always agree with him (is a centrist, supported the war) so that he can have lively debates in the Oval Office!  Haha, comedy.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 21, 2008, 03:23:28 PM
Sam Nunn's stock falling
Ben Smith on Politico


The former Georgia senator said recently that he hadn't been vetted, and now his spokeswoman says he's going to be out of the country through Monday.




Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: skoods on August 21, 2008, 03:29:50 PM
Some things sound good for Kaine (meeting with his staff). Some things sound bad (the whole "independent" and "challenging" schtick). I don't know where to go with this.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 21, 2008, 03:32:49 PM
Sam Nunn's stock falling
Ben Smith on Politico


The former Georgia senator said recently that he hadn't been vetted, and now his spokeswoman says he's going to be out of the country through Monday.




He had "stock"?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 21, 2008, 03:36:25 PM
a bit.


Anyway: OMFG
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/bizarre&id=6342672

 On Friday, August 22nd, at 11:00 A.M., the Zoo's polar bears will "paws" and "choose" Senator Obama's VP running mate by "selecting" the box with the name of the polar bears' "choice" of Democratic running mate.
This special polar bear VP selection event will lead into the weekend-long Philadelphia Zoo Bear Awareness Days, happening 11:00 a.m.- 3:00 p.m. both Saturday and Sunday, August 23rd and 24th.

From the polar cap to our own backyards, bears have fascinated people for decades. During Bear Awareness Days at the Zoo, guests will learn un-BEAR-ably interesting tidbits about bears' lives and also learn about the Zoo's different bear species, why polar bears are endangered and how people can help polar bears from their own home. Bear Awareness Days include interactive activities, craft making stations for kids of all ages, education stations, keeper talks and more


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: YRABNNRM on August 21, 2008, 03:38:33 PM
wtf


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 21, 2008, 03:47:07 PM
There has to be some connection between the polar bears and Evan Bayh's gym bag.  If we can figure out what it is, we'll know who Obama has chosen as his running mate.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: YRABNNRM on August 21, 2008, 03:47:45 PM
There has to be some connection between the polar bears and Evan Bayh's gym bag.  If we can figure out what it is, we'll know who Obama has chosen as his running mate.


It's clearly Mike Gravel, judging from those two pieces of elements.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 21, 2008, 03:48:42 PM
There has to be some connection between the polar bears and Evan Bayh's gym bag.  If we can figure out what it is, we'll know who Obama has chosen as his running mate.


It's clearly Mike Gravel, judging from those two pieces of elements.

Funniest post in days.  Thank you.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 21, 2008, 04:01:42 PM
There has to be some connection between the polar bears and Evan Bayh's gym bag.  If we can figure out what it is, we'll know who Obama has chosen as his running mate.


It's clearly Mike Gravel, judging from those two pieces of elements.

I'm not sure.  If, instead of a polar bear, it was a rock, then maybe you'd be on to something.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: YRABNNRM on August 21, 2008, 04:03:39 PM
There has to be some connection between the polar bears and Evan Bayh's gym bag.  If we can figure out what it is, we'll know who Obama has chosen as his running mate.


It's clearly Mike Gravel, judging from those two pieces of elements.

I'm not sure.  If, instead of a polar bear, it was a rock, then maybe you'd be on to something.


hmmm maybe.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 21, 2008, 04:13:40 PM
I'm wondering if they're going to announce the name just before the national broadcast news shows at 6:30pm Eastern.  If they haven't done it by then, then I'm guessing they'll wait until tomorrow.  Though I guess they could also do it late tonight, and then have it be the lead story in every newspaper tomorrow morning.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 21, 2008, 04:17:33 PM
I'm wondering if they're going to announce the name just before the national broadcast news shows at 6:30pm Eastern.  If they haven't done it by then, then I'm guessing they'll wait until tomorrow.  Though I guess they could also do it late tonight, and then have it be the lead story in every newspaper tomorrow morning.


Indeed.  Also, they could release the text message late tonight (not TOO late, obviously, but let's say 10 pm EST) and have no statement out fromt he Obama campaign about it until the next morning.  Thus everyone who signed up for their little text-message thingy feel more special than if the text comes 2 minutes before the official announcement.  And yeah, it would make the media dance around the next day.

However, if it's Bayh as I suspect, I'm not sure if it'd be good to let the bloggers break the story and write about it for 24 hours before the primetime news covers it the next day.  Then they will be able to talk about disgruntled activists and whatnot.

We STILL don't know where Obama will be tomorrow, right?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Meeker on August 21, 2008, 04:25:23 PM
I will laugh so very hard if it isn't Bayh, Biden or Kaine.

That being said, I think it will be Bayh.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 21, 2008, 04:26:05 PM
Indeed.  Also, they could release the text message late tonight (not TOO late, obviously, but let's say 10 pm EST) and have no statement out fromt he Obama campaign about it until the next morning.

I'm not sure that would work.  The second the text message goes out, the journalists embedded with the Obama campaign will ask the campaign for comment.  What are they supposed to say then?  "We have no comment on this.  Ask us about something else"?  If they're too evasive, people will question whether the text was just a hoax or something, and the whole thing could backfire.  I think they have to start taking questions on the veep selection as soon as the text goes out.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 21, 2008, 04:27:37 PM
There has to be some connection between the polar bears and Evan Bayh's gym bag.  If we can figure out what it is, we'll know who Obama has chosen as his running mate.


It's clearly Mike Gravel, judging from those two pieces of elements.

Don't get my hopes up like that!


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Meeker on August 21, 2008, 04:47:38 PM
http://www.236.com/news/2008/08/20/if_they_imd_obamas_vp_prospect_1_8389.php

Funniest sh**t ever


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: True Democrat on August 21, 2008, 04:57:37 PM
http://www.236.com/news/2008/08/20/if_they_imd_obamas_vp_prospect_1_8389.php

Funniest sh**t ever

I LOLed.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: ShadowRocket on August 21, 2008, 05:00:05 PM
Obama's comment about wanting somebody who will be to help on the economy makes me think more of Bayh than it does Biden.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 21, 2008, 05:06:24 PM
William Kristol thinks it could be Jack Reed, not that that really means anything.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/08/kristol_a_vice_presidential_cl_1.asp


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 21, 2008, 05:08:12 PM
Yeah I think Nader's prediction has more legitimacy.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on August 21, 2008, 05:16:41 PM
http://www.236.com/news/2008/08/20/if_they_imd_obamas_vp_prospect_1_8389.php

Funniest sh**t ever

LOL.  Freaking awesome :)


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on August 21, 2008, 05:19:10 PM
Indeed.  Also, they could release the text message late tonight (not TOO late, obviously, but let's say 10 pm EST) and have no statement out from the Obama campaign about it until the next morning.

I'm not sure that would work.  The second the text message goes out, the journalists embedded with the Obama campaign will ask the campaign for comment.  What are they supposed to say then?  "We have no comment on this.  Ask us about something else"?  If they're too evasive, people will question whether the text was just a hoax or something, and the whole thing could backfire.  I think they have to start taking questions on the veep selection as soon as the text goes out.


I think around 6:45 pm EDT tonight would be the best time to release the message.  In time to get a breaking item on the broadcast network nightly news shows, but too late for them to do anything substantive, thus forcing that to be the main item the next night as well.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: WalterMitty on August 21, 2008, 05:21:45 PM
Quote
Obama said he wanted somebody who is ‘prepared to be president’ and who will be ‘a partner with me in strengthening this economy for the middle class and working families.’

He said he was looking for not just a partner but a sparring partner. ‘I want somebody who’s independent, somebody who can push against my preconceived notions and challenge me so we have got a robust debate in the White House.’

sounds like hillary.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: skoods on August 21, 2008, 05:22:22 PM
Obama's comment about wanting somebody who will be to help on the economy makes me think more of Bayh than it does Biden.

What about Kaine? I figure since he said nothing of national security he's going to make a collosal mistake and pick someone who has less experience than he does.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: skoods on August 21, 2008, 05:23:24 PM
Quote
Obama said he wanted somebody who is ‘prepared to be president’ and who will be ‘a partner with me in strengthening this economy for the middle class and working families.’

He said he was looking for not just a partner but a sparring partner. ‘I want somebody who’s independent, somebody who can push against my preconceived notions and challenge me so we have got a robust debate in the White House.’

sounds like hillary.

I can hope


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr.Phips on August 21, 2008, 05:24:44 PM
Quote
Obama said he wanted somebody who is ‘prepared to be president’ and who will be ‘a partner with me in strengthening this economy for the middle class and working families.’

He said he was looking for not just a partner but a sparring partner. ‘I want somebody who’s independent, somebody who can push against my preconceived notions and challenge me so we have got a robust debate in the White House.’

sounds like hillary.

Hillary, independent?  I think not.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 21, 2008, 05:24:57 PM
Obama's comment about wanting somebody who will be to help on the economy makes me think more of Bayh than it does Biden.

What about Kaine? I figure since he said nothing of national security he's going to make a collosal mistake and pick someone who has less experience than he does.

Here is some analysis from Times:
http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/08/obamas_vp_the_candidate_drops.html

One reason for the feverish running-mate speculation is that those who actually know anything are a small, leakproof circle. And most leakproof of all is the man who is actually making the decision.

But in an interview (you can see and hear it here) that my colleague David Von Drehle and I did earlier this week for our convention issue, Barack Obama offered some clues as to how he is approaching the decision, and--to my ear, at least--a sense that he had pretty much made up his mind.

The question I asked Obama was what his choice of a running mate would tell the country about Obama himself. Here's what he said:

Quote
    Hopefully, the same thing that my campaign has told the American people about me. That I think through big decisions. I get a lot of input from a lot of people, and that ultimately, I try to surround myself with people who are about getting the job done, and who are not about ego, self—aggrandizement, getting their names in the press, but our focus on what's best for the American people.
    I think people will see that I'm not afraid to have folks around me who complement my strengths and who are independent. I'm not a believer in a government of yes—men. I think one of the failures of the early Bush Administration was being surrounded by people who were unwilling to deliver bad news, or who were prone to simply feed the president information that confirmed his own preconceptions.

So let's do some deconstruction, read some tea leaves, and try to figure out who Obama is--and isn't--talking about:

I try to surround myself with people who are about getting the job done, and who are not about ego, self—aggrandizement, getting their names in the press...

Okay, so the first qualification he mentions is someone who won't be all that interested in getting his or her name in the media. That would seem a high bar for the famously voluble Joe Biden to clear.

I think people will see that I'm not afraid to have folks around me who complement my strengths...

Obama is both gifted and precise in the way he uses language. Here, interestingly, the word he chooses is "complement," not "supplement" or "augment." This would suggest that this choice will be someone who has experience or expertise that Obama himself lacks, rather than a pick--such as Bill Clinton's of Al Gore in 1992--that reinforces his message. My guess here is that is not good news for either Governor Kathleen Sebelius or Tim Kaine. Though both have executive experience that he doesn't, their chief political assets are much the same as Obama's, in that they bring an ability to blur party lines.

I'm not a believer in a government of yes—men. I think one of the failures of the early Bush Administration was being surrounded by people who were unwilling to deliver bad news, or who were prone to simply feed the president information that confirmed his own preconceptions.

This may well be the most telling part of his answer. It sounds as though he is offering a rationale for picking someone who has disagreed with him in the past on something big, and the Iraq War immediately leaps to mind.

All that put together, if I were to guess who it would be based strictly on what Obama himself has said, I would say the pick is either Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana (low profile, both executive and foreign policy experience, but a supporter of the Iraq War), or a surprise whose name has not been circulating on the pundits' short lists.

And of course, we'll know the answer soon.



Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 21, 2008, 05:25:18 PM
Dammit, everytime I get a txt I keep thinking its Obama :P


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Ronnie on August 21, 2008, 05:32:07 PM
PLEASE GOD BE KAINE.

It would make me so happy if he chooses him.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: skoods on August 21, 2008, 05:33:29 PM
Dammit, everytime I get a txt I keep thinking its Obama :P

Ha i know how you feel. I have an eerie feeling they're not going to say anything to anyone. Then on Saturday in Springfield Obama is going to come out and say..."here he is, my Vice President!" And the chosen one runs out of a tunnel with confetti and a marching band playing "There Goes My Hero."

Sounds like an Obamaesque festivity.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 21, 2008, 05:33:57 PM
I don't know if were going to get anything today anymore guys.

This sucks! I have work all weekend. I wanted it today.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: skoods on August 21, 2008, 05:34:15 PM
PLEASE GOD BE KAINE.

It would make me so happy if he chooses him.

I'm sure it would. I, on the other hand, would cry...(not really but I'd be pretty pissed).


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Vsanto5 on August 21, 2008, 05:50:27 PM
Yeah I think Nader's prediction has more legitimacy.

True dat.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 21, 2008, 05:54:18 PM
I don't know if were going to get anything today anymore guys.

This sucks! I have work all weekend. I wanted it today.


AAAAAAAAAAGH

I won't give up until 8 pm EST though.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: NOVA Green on August 21, 2008, 06:59:14 PM
I don't know if were going to get anything today anymore guys.

This sucks! I have work all weekend. I wanted it today.

Damn! I left work early afternoon just in case the announcement was made.

That and I was feeling a little sick.... (probably from election season related excitement) ;)


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Meeker on August 21, 2008, 07:43:53 PM
It'll probably come early tomorrow morning. If they're smart.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 21, 2008, 07:45:02 PM
Here's a question: Once the name is announced, who do you think will be the first to post the news on this board?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 21, 2008, 07:47:31 PM
Here's a question: Once the name is announced, who do you think will be the first to post the news on this board?


Haha!  I was thinking the same thing an hour ago.  I was thinking about starting a competition thread about who could post first, but I decided I already have enough threads.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: skoods on August 21, 2008, 07:54:46 PM
I anticipate that there will be no first. There will be atleast 3 (more likely 5) threads posted at the same exact time.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 21, 2008, 07:56:02 PM
It would possibly be me, if I didn't have work.

I'm gonna bet on Lunar.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on August 21, 2008, 08:08:57 PM
Last second e-prayer to the Obama Campaign....

Dear Obama,

I dont ask for much, but I really need this one. Please, Obama, please, dont pick Biden. He makes me so no fired up. :(

--Zach

PS: I guess that leaves you with this guy.....
()

Can I get a Whoop Whoop?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Meeker on August 21, 2008, 08:12:57 PM
Posted on the DailyKos:

Quote
If Obama's campaign had planned to roll out their vice presidential pick at any point today, that announcement is likely to be put on hold. Why? The campaign believes the story about McCain's many houses is political gold and they won't want to step on it with a veep announcement that would immediately change the day's storyline.

They've still got to do it by Saturday though


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 21, 2008, 08:14:06 PM
Last second e-prayer to the Obama Campaign....

Dear Obama,

I dont ask for much, but I really need this one. Please, Obama, please, dont pick Biden. He makes me so no fired up. :(

--Zach

PS: I guess that leaves you with this guy.....
()

Can I get a Whoop Whoop?


Speed, I thought you were a leftist! That guy in your picture is unacceptable.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on August 21, 2008, 08:15:13 PM
Posted on the DailyKos:

Quote
If Obama's campaign had planned to roll out their vice presidential pick at any point today, that announcement is likely to be put on hold. Why? The campaign believes the story about McCain's many houses is political gold and they won't want to step on it with a veep announcement that would immediately change the day's storyline.

They've still got to do it by Saturday though

That gives them time to consider my e-prayer! :D


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: ShadowRocket on August 21, 2008, 09:01:26 PM
Keith Olberman mentioned on 'Countdown' tonight that Howard Fineman had just talked to one of the final three contenders who told that he was told he wasn't the pick, but was told who would be.

Anyone interested in seeing this for themself should be able to see it again when tonight's show is reran at 10:00 EST. It was at the start of the second half, so you should check in around 10:30.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: ShadowRocket on August 21, 2008, 09:04:36 PM
Obama's comment about wanting somebody who will be to help on the economy makes me think more of Bayh than it does Biden.

What about Kaine? I figure since he said nothing of national security he's going to make a collosal mistake and pick someone who has less experience than he does.

For me, the lack of a mention about national security wasn't so much an indicator as his mention of the economy. And Bayh has the most experience with the economy when compared to Biden and Kaine.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 21, 2008, 09:20:37 PM
Keith Olberman mentioned on 'Countdown' tonight that Howard Fineman had just talked to one of the final three contenders who told that he was told he wasn't the pick, but was told who would be.

If that is actually true, then I can't believe the identity of the pick will remain a secret for more than another few hours.  If some of the VP also rans are already telling reporters that it's not them, but they know who it is.....this secret isn't going to last very long.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 21, 2008, 09:39:51 PM
Drip.. drip...drip

C'MON, LEAK ALREADY

If I can find out who it is first, and it's Bayh, a lot of Scotch Whiskey is going in my belly tonight.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 21, 2008, 10:03:26 PM
Keith Olberman mentioned on 'Countdown' tonight that Howard Fineman had just talked to one of the final three contenders who told that he was told he wasn't the pick, but was told who would be.

If that is actually true, then I can't believe the identity of the pick will remain a secret for more than another few hours.  If some of the VP also rans are already telling reporters that it's not them, but they know who it is.....this secret isn't going to last very long.


...which of the final three is most likely to blurt out to a reporter that he isn't the pick when Obama clearly wouldn't want him to?  *cough coughBidencough cough*

That is, if Keith is right.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Ebowed on August 21, 2008, 10:10:34 PM
I still hope they're bluffing.  Honestly, Clinton would be a better pick than the 'final three' contenders.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: CultureKing on August 21, 2008, 10:13:32 PM
I still hope they're bluffing.  Honestly, Clinton would be a better pick than the 'final three' contenders.

I don't know, I think Bayh would be a little bit better than Clinton. Kaine and Biden = No.

In actuality while I still harbor some resentment towards Clinton she really wouldn't make a horribel VP choice right now.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Bacon King on August 21, 2008, 10:14:33 PM
I still hope they're bluffing.  Honestly, Clinton would be a better pick than the 'final three' contenders.
^^^^^

Though she'd still be bad.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on August 21, 2008, 10:22:03 PM
While I HIGHLY HIGHLY doubt it, Clinton makes a lot of practical sense.

I still say Bayh or Biden - with a slight edge to Bayh.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Ebowed on August 21, 2008, 10:23:24 PM
I still say Bayh or Biden - with a slight edge to Bayh.

Bayh is marginally pro-life... don't see how his selection wouldn't completely alienate the base.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on August 21, 2008, 10:25:40 PM
I still say Bayh or Biden - with a slight edge to Bayh.

Bayh is marginally pro-life... don't see how his selection wouldn't completely alienate the base.

From what I've read - he's opposed to partial-birth and wants certain restrictions on abortions. While not perfect, I don't think Obama picking Bayh would cause the sort of implosion that McCain picking Ridge or Lieberman could.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Boris on August 21, 2008, 10:29:08 PM
Bayh is marginally pro-life... don't see how his selection wouldn't completely alienate the base.

He'd simply do what every single other politician does; change his position. Although it says a lot about the "base" if an issue such as abortion actually affects their decision.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Meeker on August 21, 2008, 10:30:38 PM
And now for something completely different....

TIME:
Quote
Two Republicans who know say McCain has settled on Mitt Romney as his running mate.

Developing...

Meanwhile: If you are the wagering type, bet on Obama announcing Joe Biden as his running mate on Saturday.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: King on August 21, 2008, 10:33:06 PM
And now for something completely different....

TIME:
Quote
Two Republicans who know say McCain has settled on Mitt Romney as his running mate.

Developing...

Meanwhile: If you are the wagering type, bet on Obama announcing Joe Biden as his running mate on Saturday.

If the announcement is going to be made on Friday, why would I bet for it on Saturday?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: skoods on August 21, 2008, 10:34:26 PM
He's anti-partial birth and he's going to be vice-president. I don't see how it's that big of a deal. He wouldn't nominate judges that are hardcore pro-life like McCain would. Sometimes I think progressives would rather lose an election than nominate anyone who isn't a far-leftist.

cough wanting Feingold as VP cough.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Ebowed on August 21, 2008, 10:36:31 PM
Sometimes I think progressives would rather lose an election than nominate anyone who isn't a far-leftist.

Given the circumstances in which Obama beat Clinton, I just don't think it would be wise to pick a pro-life-ish VP.

I'm sure Obama knows that too.  Biden, Kaine, and Bayh are all bad picks.  The campaign is trying to throw off the media.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: skoods on August 21, 2008, 10:39:05 PM
And now for something completely different....

TIME:
Quote
Two Republicans who know say McCain has settled on Mitt Romney as his running mate.
cr
Developing...

Meanwhile: If you are the wagering type, bet on Obama announcing Joe Biden as his running mate on Saturday.

While this doesn't seem like extremely credible info, it is depressing. Oh well, Biden is better than Kaine. Let's hope the GOP doesn't smear him too much because of his past (of course they will).


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: skoods on August 21, 2008, 10:40:25 PM
Sometimes I think progressives would rather lose an election than nominate anyone who isn't a far-leftist.

Given the circumstances in which Obama beat Clinton, I just don't think it would be wise to pick a pro-life-ish VP.

I'm sure Obama knows that too.  Biden, Kaine, and Bayh are all bad picks.  The campaign is trying to throw off the media.

The only way to get those Clinton voters back is to choose Clinton and even that might not be enough since she'd still be #2 to a man.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on August 21, 2008, 10:43:23 PM
Well... there really isn't anyone who ticks the necessary boxes.

By what Obama said about the pick being someone who challenges him - it therefore suggests either a primary rival or someone who supported Clinton.

I think those comments are to soften up his supporters - to be a little pragmatic - so I understand why Clinton's stocks are rising - especially with the polling showing this weakness.

Obama's strongest numbers came about after the Clinton withdrawral and I think some soft-Obama Clinton voters have fallen back into the undecided column.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 21, 2008, 10:50:28 PM
More minor news:

Obama had a hard time with the experience vs. change decision
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/21/source-obama-was-hung-up-on-change-vs-experience/

(CNN) — The VP choice was a difficult one for Obama, a source close to the Illinois senator tells CNN's Gloria Borger.

Specifically Obama was "very hung up on the experience versus change,” the source said, and how his message of change may conflict with a longtime Washington insider.

The source doesn't know who Obama ultimately chose, but confirms Sens. Joe Biden and Evan Bayh, along with Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine are all in the running.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Reluctant Republican on August 21, 2008, 10:50:41 PM
And now for something completely different....

TIME:
Quote
Two Republicans who know say McCain has settled on Mitt Romney as his running mate.

Developing...

Meanwhile: If you are the wagering type, bet on Obama announcing Joe Biden as his running mate on Saturday.

Great. These are the two guys I hope end up on their respective tickets. Tad worried how the average independent will see Romney, but in the end I think he’d be a net gain of votes, however small. And of course, I view Biden as an accomplished senator and would not mind seeing him in the Whitehouse on his own merits one day. Just not this year, ha ha.

If this happens, I’m also pretty sure this would be the first time in American history where all four people on the national tickets would have run for president in this cycle. We’re just breaking down barriers everyday, it seems.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: ZamboniDriver on August 21, 2008, 10:58:38 PM
BIG NEWS
http://www.wane.com/Global/story.asp?S=8881157&nav=0RYb


Friday morning on the early show, Harry Smith talks one-on--one exclusively with Obama  That begins right after Newschannel 15's First News, at 7:00 am, right here on WANE-TV.



FORT WAYNE INDIANA???????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't think that's anything for speculation.  That's just the local CBS station advertising the CBS morning show interview. 


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 21, 2008, 10:59:36 PM
Oh, so that's not an Indianan interview?  Damn.  My bad.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: King on August 21, 2008, 11:05:29 PM
The Early Show needs to get Obama to announce the VP in their interview before CBS News goes belly-up from low ratings and no advertisers.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 21, 2008, 11:06:46 PM
George Stephanopulos sez VP will be recognizable
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/08/stephanopulos-o.html

"If you listen to Barack Obama and the people around him, they certainly seem to be signaling that the choice will be someone who has instantly recognizable national security experience," Stephanopoulos said. " That means Joe Biden. Maybe Evan Bayh. Not Tim Kaine of Virginia. And maybe even the big surprise, you know, someone like Hillary Clinton or Al Gore."


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: exopolitician on August 21, 2008, 11:08:28 PM
George Stephanopulos sez VP will be recognizable
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/08/stephanopulos-o.html

"If you listen to Barack Obama and the people around him, they certainly seem to be signaling that the choice will be someone who has instantly recognizable national security experience," Stephanopoulos said. " That means Joe Biden. Maybe Evan Bayh. Not Tim Kaine of Virginia. And maybe even the big surprise, you know, someone like Hillary Clinton or Al Gore."



lolAlGore...oh god.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 21, 2008, 11:09:42 PM
Gore > Clinton in every way for a VP pick.

Kaine's current plane ticket is to leave for the convention tomorrow
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gxVW-aUPQsPkU0JKEleSPNCyxSsAD92N3IAO0
Kaine plans to fly Friday night directly from Virginia to Denver, site of next week's Democratic National Convention, three people with knowledge of the governor's travel plans said. The plans could be changed if Kaine is told he needs to fly to Springfield instead.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: ilikeverin on August 21, 2008, 11:10:07 PM

HOOSIER


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: King on August 21, 2008, 11:10:28 PM
George Stephanopulos sez VP will be recognizable
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/08/stephanopulos-o.html

"If you listen to Barack Obama and the people around him, they certainly seem to be signaling that the choice will be someone who has instantly recognizable national security experience," Stephanopoulos said. " That means Joe Biden. Maybe Evan Bayh. Not Tim Kaine of Virginia. And maybe even the big surprise, you know, someone like Hillary Clinton or Al Gore."


That settles it: Tim Kaine is the pick.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 21, 2008, 11:12:55 PM
Same AP article as above: Clinton scheduled to visit the New York State Fair Friday.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: King on August 21, 2008, 11:14:02 PM
Same AP article as above: Clinton scheduled to visit the New York State Fair Friday.

Is the Republican Mayor of Oklahoma City going to give a speech there?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: skoods on August 21, 2008, 11:15:29 PM
Same AP article as above: Clinton scheduled to visit the New York State Fair Friday.

Is the Republican Mayor of Oklahoma City going to give a speech there?

LOL


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 21, 2008, 11:18:22 PM
Man, Gore as VP would be made of awesome. Too bad that it's never gonna happen again. Ever.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on August 21, 2008, 11:23:29 PM
Man, Gore as VP would be made of awesome. Too bad that it's never gonna happen again. Ever.

We can dream, though :)


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 21, 2008, 11:27:21 PM
Ray Mabus is campaigning for Obama in rural Pennsylvania right now.

This is my dream.

Link 1 (http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/226183)
Link 2 (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/1-0&fp=48ae20e0b500a420&ei=qD6uSIKpCYWMhQPwsr36Ag&url=http%3A//www.readingeagle.com/article.aspx%3Fid%3D103092&cid=1238718454&usg=AFQjCNHyDmVMrWAA6GVynFDa-64u2gVw8A)


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: King on August 21, 2008, 11:32:41 PM
Ray Mabus is campaigning for Obama in rural Pennsylvania right now.

Many loony people already consider Obama to be the anti-christ.  Selecting somebody with the last name of "Mabus" wouldn't help (see Nostradamus).


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Meeker on August 21, 2008, 11:37:08 PM
I'm now slightly more inclined to think it's going to be Biden, but I think I'll stick with Bayh... them filming that ad footage a week or so ago keeps nagging at me.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 21, 2008, 11:39:03 PM
Ray Mabus is campaigning for Obama in rural Pennsylvania right now.

Many loony people already consider Obama to be the anti-christ.  Selecting somebody with the last name of "Mabus" wouldn't help (see Nostradamus).

I know, I know, I know.....


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 21, 2008, 11:46:23 PM
Obama name-drops Biden today in a speech
http://www.whsv.com/news/headlines/27261129.html

"This is why I've joined with people like Joe Biden to increase a billion dollars of investment every year, putting more money into economic development in Pakistan," Obama said.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Ebowed on August 21, 2008, 11:46:51 PM
Obama name-drops Biden today in a speech
http://www.whsv.com/news/headlines/27261129.html

"This is why I've joined with people like Joe Biden to increase a billion dollars of investment every year, putting more money into economic development in Pakistan," Obama said.

He's just f'ucking with us, I bet.  Probably enjoying it too.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 21, 2008, 11:51:23 PM
Marc Ambinder's Sources say that Kaine's private body language indicates he is not the VP pick.

http://twitter.com/marcambinder/statuses/894953338


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: skoods on August 21, 2008, 11:54:53 PM
It's going to be Biden.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: True Democrat on August 21, 2008, 11:56:46 PM
Marc Ambinder's Sources say that Kaine's private body language indicates he is not the VP pick.

http://twitter.com/marcambinder/statuses/894953338

This goes a bit too far.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 12:00:29 AM

Personally, I think most of the clues point to Bayh.

1) Biden has blurted out that it wasn't him.
2) Olbermann says that one of the three told him that he wasn't the VP.  Which of the three is most likely to say that?
3) Bayh and Obama filmed a commercial last week of them together that has yet to air yet.  Isn't that weird?  If it's a generic commercial, it risks losing relevance every week you wait.  It's not like Indiana is very far away from Obama's headquarters in Chicago for future commercials. 
4) There was that initial leak about Obama's event in Indianapolis.
5) Obama said he wants someone with economic credentials
6) Obama says he wants someone who will "challenge him" and someone that he doesn't always agree with - sounds like a coverup for choosing a centirst
7) Obama says he wants someone who doesn't have a big ego.
8 ) Obama has never campaigned with Biden to my knowledge while he has had TWO "trial run" events with Biden
9) Obama had an hour-long conversation with Bayh in a car Wednesday last week.
10) Sebelius has mentioned that one of the themes for the VP's day is bipartisanship and being a centrist is sort of bipartisan.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 12:01:45 AM
Marc Ambinder's Sources say that Kaine's private body language indicates he is not the VP pick.

http://twitter.com/marcambinder/statuses/894953338

This goes a bit too far.

I disagree.  If people around Kaine say that he is acting more down, or when asked if he knows who the VP is he'll sigh and say "No" but does not act like he mean it, that's a valid tip.  I don't know what they mean by body language though.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 22, 2008, 12:06:09 AM
It seems like we are down to two.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 12:08:13 AM

I think Kaine has been sunk ever since the convention theme was announced.  As soon as Kaine saw that he told people privately that he didn't think he was in the running anymore.  Sebelius and others were also sank by that theme.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Meeker on August 22, 2008, 12:08:41 AM
Watch it be Sebelius


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Bacon King on August 22, 2008, 12:09:12 AM

I think Kaine has been sunk ever since the convention theme was announced.  As soon as Kaine saw that he told people privately that he didn't think he was in the running anymore.  Sebelius and others were also sank by that theme.

Then why the big secret meeting?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 12:12:55 AM

I think Kaine has been sunk ever since the convention theme was announced.  As soon as Kaine saw that he told people privately that he didn't think he was in the running anymore.  Sebelius and others were also sank by that theme.

Then why the big secret meeting?

Well, it wasn't THAT secret since Kaine had his aids there.   My best answer is a combination of a bluff and official business.

How the hell can Kaine headline a day dedicated to securing America and veteran's affairs and bipartisanship?  Seriously, why would Obama's team give McCain an easy attack like that.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: JSojourner on August 22, 2008, 12:21:09 AM

It often seems like that, E.  But what's the history?  How many from the pool of Edwards, Cheney,
Lieberman, Kemp, Gore, Quayle, Bentsen and so forth were "finalists"?

I honestly don't know which ones were complete surprise picks (aside from Quayle).


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: King on August 22, 2008, 12:24:35 AM
It often seems like that, E.  But what's the history?  How many from the pool of Edwards, Cheney,
Lieberman, Kemp, Gore, Quayle, Bentsen and so forth were "finalists"?

Cheney and Edwards were both finalists I remember.  I think Bentsen might've been a surprise pick.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: 2952-0-0 on August 22, 2008, 12:36:49 AM
Marc Ambinder's Sources say that Kaine's private body language indicates he is not the VP pick.

http://twitter.com/marcambinder/statuses/894953338

This goes a bit too far.

It's almost like how people tried to see what the Soviet Leadership was planning based on subtle details.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Robespierre's Jaw on August 22, 2008, 12:59:28 AM
Obama says he's selected his Running Mate (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gxVW-aUPQsPkU0JKEleSPNCyxSsAD92N4GL00)

Quote from: The Associated Press
EMPORIA, Va. (AP) — Barack Obama said Thursday he's chosen his running mate, but coyly kept all the details to himself as he campaigned with one leading contender and planned a major rally to present the Democratic ticket Saturday in Illinois.

Obama refused to say whether he'd notified his pick or when exactly he would send cell phones buzzing with the answer delivered via text message.

He didn't reveal his choice to Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine, considered to be on Obama's short list, even after they met Thursday, according to two people close to the governor. They spoke on a condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

Obama seemed to relish the frustrations of scores of reporters following him this week in anticipation of the announcement.

"Wouldn't you like to know?" he said with a grin when an Associated Press reporter asked when the text would be sent.

"I've made the selection, that's all you're gonna get," Obama said as he visited a store selling roasted Virginia peanuts as nonchalantly as any other day campaigning in a battleground state.

On the Republican side, GOP officials said late Thursday that John McCain has not settled on a running mate although former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty were under serious consideration. Two officials close to Romney said he had not been offered the job.

Democratic and Republican officials said both candidates were capable of making wild card picks that would surprise their backers.

Obama planned to appear with his pick Saturday at the Old State Capitol in Springfield, Ill., where he launched his presidential campaign in February 2007. Obama then planned to travel to the battlegrounds of Wisconsin, Iowa, Missouri and Montana before arriving in Denver to accept his party's nomination Thursday.

One person who had been vetted for the position told The Associated Press there had been no contact from Obama or his campaign about the decision. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the Obama campaign asked candidates not to speak about the decision.

The Illinois senator was widely thought to be considering Kaine, Gov. Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas and Sens. Joe Biden of Delaware and Evan Bayh of Indiana. None of them gave anything away — at least not in words.

Obama spent part of the day with Kaine, who reportedly told a colleague Wednesday that he believed he was on the short list. West Virginia Gov. Joe Manchin said Kaine told him although he hadn't heard anything from the Obama campaign on where he stands at the time, "he really thinks he has a chance at the short straw."

Kaine and Obama met privately with the governor's staff for 15 minutes at a Richmond hotel. Afterward, Kaine said he would let the Obama campaign speak about whether the candidate asked him to be his No. 2. But two people close to Kaine said the governor was still in the dark.

Kaine plans to fly Friday night directly from Virginia to Denver, site of next week's Democratic National Convention, three people with knowledge of the governor's travel plans said. The plans could be changed if Kaine is told he needs to fly to Springfield instead.

Biden had a family gathering at his home Thursday afternoon, with his wife Jill, niece Missy Owens and son Beau, Delaware's attorney general, coming and going past reporters staked outside. Biden ran errands, including a visit to the dentist, but didn't speak to the media as he came and went.

Biden is a favorite for the vice presidential nomination among Democrats who think Obama could use his experience and tough campaign style. Biden has served 35 years in Congress, while Obama has served three.

Sebelius, campaigning for Obama in Iowa, said being mentioned as a potential running mate is something of "an out-of-body experience."

"Whoever it is, I am an enthusiastic supporter," she said but added she would leave the announcement to the campaign.

Bayh worked in his Capitol Hill office and later spent time at his home in Washington. He left wearing shorts and a baseball cap but told reporters outside he had no news to share. "Not tonight, sorry," he said.

It's possible Obama could make a surprise selection, although at least one dark horse candidate appeared out of the running. Former Georgia Sen. Sam Nunn's spokesman said he would be traveling internationally until Monday, making a Saturday visit to Springfield seem unlikely.

Sen. Jack Reed of Rhode Island, a national security expert who has been mentioned as a possible candidate, was at his home in Jamestown on Thursday. He told an AP reporter that he was not Obama's choice and that he had not been asked for any background information.

New polls out this week show Obama is neck-and-neck with McCain and still has yet to win over some supporters of Democratic primary rival Hillary Rodham Clinton. The polls sparked fresh discussion of whether Obama would make a surprise selection of Clinton as his running mate.

Clinton had other plans for the weekend. She was scheduled to visit the New York State Fair Friday and speak in Fresno, Calif., Sunday at the United Farm Workers of America's 18th Constitutional Convention.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 22, 2008, 02:43:37 AM
Well... the text pretty much has to come today. Unless they are literally going to wait until the last second on Saturday.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Meeker on August 22, 2008, 02:46:04 AM
Yea, it's got to come within the next few hours.

I wonder if the Earth's rotation will be thrown off by the thousands of people desperately reaching for their phones simultaneously.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 22, 2008, 02:49:19 AM
Yea, it's got to come within the next few hours.

I wonder if the Earth's rotation will be thrown off by the thousands of people desperately reaching for their phones simultaneously.

That'd be nice but I wouldn't hold your breath. I don't think there is any way they send it before 10 AM eastern time.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 02:54:24 AM
I might be a little cheezed off if they wake me up before 9:30 am tomorrow.  I'll forgive them though if it's Bayh.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 22, 2008, 03:07:38 AM
I might be a little cheezed off if they wake me up before 9:30 am tomorrow.  I'll forgive them though if it's Bayh.

They won't.  They don't want to annoy people like that.

By the way, are you supporting Obama?



Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: skoods on August 22, 2008, 03:10:08 AM
Well, by the time i'm back on here the text will have likely gone out (although with the way this week has been it might not be). I remember people saying it would be Tuesday...then Wednesday...then definitely Thursday...now we're on to Friday. Let's hope it's done by later today.

*Crosses fingers for Bayh*


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 03:12:23 AM
I might be a little cheezed off if they wake me up before 9:30 am tomorrow.  I'll forgive them though if it's Bayh.

They won't.  They don't want to annoy people like that.
By the way, are you supporting Obama?

Probably.  I'm not a Barr guy and I don't want to go to war with Iran.  If Obama chooses Clinton I'll probably vote for the Pansexual Peace Party if they make the ballot in CA.  Why do you ask?

I really just support Bayh because he's my prediction and I think he's by far the best tactical choice for Obama's campaign.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 22, 2008, 07:46:31 AM
2) Olbermann says that one of the three told him that he wasn't the VP.

Howard Fineman said that.  Not Olbermann.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Grumpier Than Uncle Joe on August 22, 2008, 08:43:16 AM
Well if he picks the Beast (which he won't), I don't think McCain can win, period.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 22, 2008, 08:55:17 AM
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/22/source-obama-calls-veep-runner-ups/

Quote
Sen. Barack Obama called some people on his short-list for the vice presidential slot Thursday night to tell them he had not selected them as running mate, a highly placed Democratic party source told CNN.

The source did not say which people got the call.

Obama has told some other potential running mates over the last few weeks that he would not be choosing them.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on August 22, 2008, 08:58:21 AM
Oh for GOD'S SAKE - just send the bloody text!!!!


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 22, 2008, 08:59:23 AM
Oh for GOD'S SAKE - just send the bloody text!!!!
If he waits much longer people are just not going to care because he pissed them off so much


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Josh/Devilman88 on August 22, 2008, 09:01:49 AM
Well they won't send the text out until all time zones has crossed the noon mark and AK don't cross the noon mark until 4pm EST.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 22, 2008, 09:02:35 AM
Well they won't send the text out until all time zones has crossed the noon mark and AK don't cross the noon mark until 4pm EST.
Yeah, just fuck Hawaii


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 22, 2008, 09:03:39 AM
Well they won't send the text out until all time zones has crossed the noon mark....

Huh?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: ChrisFromNJ on August 22, 2008, 09:06:58 AM
Text message sent at 3 AM EST by Obama with Hillary being the VP nominee? ;)


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Meeker on August 22, 2008, 10:31:13 AM
Didn't the campaign say it would be sent in the morning?

Also, from Politicalwire:
Quote
In anticipation of Sen. Barack Obama's announcement of a running mate, NBC's Andrea Mitchell reports that one of Sen. Joe Biden's sons was flown in a private plane from Maine to the Senator's home in Delaware on Wednesday. Biden is "gathering the clan."

Another report said Biden has stopped talking to the media again.

Jonathan Alter thinks it's Biden "for some of the very reasons that were thought to disqualify Biden."


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 22, 2008, 10:31:50 AM

It often seems like that, E.  But what's the history?  How many from the pool of Edwards, Cheney,
Lieberman, Kemp, Gore, Quayle, Bentsen and so forth were "finalists"?

IIRC, back in 1996, it was only in the last few days that Kemp's name was added to the mix.  There had been rumored short lists leaked to the media, and then a few days before the announcement, Kemp's name started getting dropped in there, and then suddenly he was the pick.  (But of course, that's not the same as the name being completely out of left field at the time the announcement is made.)  I'm pretty sure every other VP nominee going back to at least 1992 was a "finalist".


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: skoods on August 22, 2008, 10:38:26 AM
Didn't the campaign say it would be sent in the morning?

Also, from Politicalwire:
Quote
In anticipation of Sen. Barack Obama's announcement of a running mate, NBC's Andrea Mitchell reports that one of Sen. Joe Biden's sons was flown in a private plane from Maine to the Senator's home in Delaware on Wednesday. Biden is "gathering the clan."

Another report said Biden has stopped talking to the media again.

Jonathan Alter thinks it's Biden "for some of the very reasons that were thought to disqualify Biden."

Nooo, no Biden........President McCain here we come..


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 22, 2008, 10:41:05 AM
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gxVW-aUPQsPkU0JKEleSPNCyxSsAD92NDJGG0

Quote
Presidential candidate Barack Obama is hours away from naming his running mate, as little-known Texas congressman Chet Edwards is emerging as a finalist.

Democratic officials say that Edwards was one of the few Democrats whose background was checked by Obama's campaign, and he was a finalist for the job.

Edwards is among a small circle of people mentioned, including Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine, Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius and Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware and Evan Bayh of Indiana.

Obama was expected to text message his choice later on Friday or Saturday.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Meeker on August 22, 2008, 10:43:53 AM
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gxVW-aUPQsPkU0JKEleSPNCyxSsAD92NDJGG0

Quote
Presidential candidate Barack Obama is hours away from naming his running mate, as little-known Texas congressman Chet Edwards is emerging as a finalist.

Democratic officials say that Edwards was one of the few Democrats whose background was checked by Obama's campaign, and he was a finalist for the job.

Edwards is among a small circle of people mentioned, including Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine, Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius and Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware and Evan Bayh of Indiana.

Obama was expected to text message his choice later on Friday or Saturday.


The only source is "Democratic officials"? In other words, it's Pelosi's goons giving Edwards one last mention.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: cp on August 22, 2008, 10:56:20 AM
Not sure if this counts as a leak, tip, or speculation but my adviser's wife works for the Obama campaign (not a volunteer - paid and well above entry-level) and he expects it to be Biden.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: skoods on August 22, 2008, 10:56:33 AM
I find myself really getting pissed off waiting for this prude to announce his VP...


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: HappyWarrior on August 22, 2008, 10:57:03 AM
I find myself really getting pissed off waiting for this prude to announce his VP...

^^^^ X 1,000,000


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 22, 2008, 11:00:30 AM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12713.html

Quote
Obama has often said, most recently on NBC’s “Meet the Press” on July 27, that Clinton “would be on anybody’s short list.”

But apparently not his.

“She was never vetted,” a Democratic official reported. “She was not asked for a single piece of paper. She and Senator Obama have never had a single conversation about it. How would he know if she’d take it?”

The official also said Clinton never met with Obama’s vetting team of Eric Holder and Caroline Kennedy.

And the official said she was never asked for medical records or for any financial 2008 information about her or former President Bill Clinton. The last information the couple has disclosed about taxes and financial holdings was for 2007


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 11:05:00 AM
Ok I woke up early just to do this!  That and my overwhelming boredom since everyone I know is out of the country, haha.  (The only reason this thread exists).

Anyway. 

()

Who will be able to start the thread first?  LET'S DO THIS


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: YRABNNRM on August 22, 2008, 11:08:36 AM
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gxVW-aUPQsPkU0JKEleSPNCyxSsAD92NDJGG0

Quote
Presidential candidate Barack Obama is hours away from naming his running mate, as little-known Texas congressman Chet Edwards is emerging as a finalist.

Democratic officials say that Edwards was one of the few Democrats whose background was checked by Obama's campaign, and he was a finalist for the job.

Edwards is among a small circle of people mentioned, including Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine, Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius and Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware and Evan Bayh of Indiana.

Obama was expected to text message his choice later on Friday or Saturday.


I think Chet Edwards would be the least exciting choice of all time, or close to it.

Imagine all the people who signed up for the announcement get their text message, only to see that some Texas congressman with the same last name as a former running mate caught in a scandal is Obama's choice.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Josh/Devilman88 on August 22, 2008, 11:11:32 AM
We will not get a text until around 4 or 5 pm EST


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 11:13:34 AM
The trick is to find out before the text.

Hints Of Major McCain Rally in Grand Rapids, Michigan On Or About 8/31
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/08/mccain_vpstakes_michigan_clue.php
So there's apparently going to be a major political event in Grand Rapids, Michigan on or about 8/31.

A McCain campaign event, say two sources.  (Cautioning as always...plans could change, but...)

On one hand, Mitt Romney's home base is in Oakland County, or Macomb County, not Grand Rapids.

On the other, other hand, Romney has campaigned in GR many times.

On the other, other, other hand, Michigan is a swing state.

CW says McCain will appear with his pick in Ohio on Aug 29 and then tour the country.  A stop in Pennsylvania is also planned, probably on the 30th.

So is, apparently, a stop in Michigan, on the 31st.

A Michigan GOP spokesperson referred questions about the schedule to the McCain campaign, which declined to comment.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 11:15:09 AM
Ambinder elaborates on Kaine's negative body language - SELL
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/08/a_note_on_body_language.php

Virginia Democrats close to Gov. Tim Kaine read a lot into Kaine's body language during the day yesterday. He seemed... to know.  Apparently, he doesn't have much of a poker face. From his mien, we've all concluded that Obama told Kaine he wouldn't be picked and that Kaine was wearing the rejection.

Maybe.

But perhaps the opposite is true: perhaps Kaine, having been entrusted with an enormous secret, a life-changing secret, was stunned into humility. Would YOU feel all jazzed reading the talking points if you knew that your life would be changed forever just 24 hours hence?

I'm not trying to confuse matters here... just saying that we ought to be careful of confirmation bias when trying to read the body language of VP contenders.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Josh/Devilman88 on August 22, 2008, 11:18:25 AM
I think it will not be Biden or Bayh or Kaine, I believe that is why he is waiting so long. Also he has all of America in his hands right now waiting.  I think its someone that we don't even know that has been asked.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: WalterMitty on August 22, 2008, 11:19:16 AM
kaine always has 'negative body language'


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 11:20:12 AM
Sources near NYT float General Patreaus for McCain
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/22/us/politics/22veep.html?ref=politics

People close to the campaign also floated a wild-card choice, Gen. David H. Petraeus, the top American commander in Iraq. They said it was not beyond the realm of possibility that Mr. McCain would ask him to join the ticket, although General Petraeus has no experience in elective government and has said repeatedly that he is not interested in the vice presidency.

One adviser characterized General Petraeus, who presided over a recent reduction of violence in Iraq, as more of a wish-list candidate for Mr. McCain, who, like the general, long supported sending additional troops to quell the insurgency. The adviser said the campaign was putting forth his name in part in a bid for attention at a time when Senator Barack Obama's choice of running mate, which is to be announced in the next few days, was dominating the media.


McCain's list narrows
same article

Senator John McCain has narrowed his list of potential running mates to a handful of candidates and appears unlikely to select anyone who supports abortion rights, several advisers close to his campaign said on Thursday.

Former Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts and Gov. Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota are the top candidates as Mr. McCain and his advisers gather over the next several days at Mr. McCain's cabin near Sedona, they said.





Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Josh/Devilman88 on August 22, 2008, 11:21:57 AM
Obama/???? vs McCain/Pawlenty!


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: cp on August 22, 2008, 11:28:35 AM
I'm still hoping for McCain/Romney


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 11:30:55 AM
C'mon, Bayh is the least likely VP prospect in the history of time to inadvertently blurt out a critical detail or give away anything.  These people would be better off trying to goad Biden haha.


Bayhwatch is less exciting than Baywatch
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/17265272/detail.html

Camera crews staked Bayh's house Thursday night and Friday morning, but they didn't learn anything new when he emerged Friday morning.

Bayh buzzed off in his Jeep with twins Beau and Nick, who he has been taking to camp this week.

Bayh was polite with reporters, but neither he nor his media people would say anything. His press office declined to tell reporters how he planned to spend the day.

Obama told reporters that his choice has been made, but his campaign is keeping everything under wraps, presumably until Friday afternoon or evening when a text message could be released that will end the political hand-wringing, at least for a while.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Democratic Hawk on August 22, 2008, 11:34:00 AM
I had a nap this afternoon and was awoken by a dream with crowds chanting O-Bayh-ma ;). I like Evan

Dave


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 11:35:20 AM
Sebelius scheduled to be in Denver on Saturday afternoon, no build-up of security around her - although if there was a buildup of security then it would have leaked by now obv.  The article makes fun of the AP's veep stakeouts a bit too
http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/13879

"People make up their lists as they go along," Sebelius said as she left the Statehouse. "I don't know whose list is whose, anyway."

Sebelius bantered with reporters, asking them whether they had anything better to do than follow her and ask about her chances.

Her aides have said she plans to take a commercial flight midday Saturday from Kansas City International Airport to Denver. That would seem to conflict with Obama's plans to have his new running mate campaign with him Saturday in Springfield, Ill., where he kicked off his presidential campaign.

Sebelius' schedule called for her to return to the Statehouse after the union event, but she also was to attend an economic development meeting on Kansas Museum of History grounds in west Topeka later in the day.

There has been no sign of an increased security presence around Sebelius in recent days.



Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 22, 2008, 11:37:13 AM
Camera crews staked Bayh's house Thursday night and Friday morning, but they didn't learn anything new when he emerged Friday morning.

Bayh buzzed off in his Jeep with twins Beau and Nick, who he has been taking to camp this week.


But did he have his gym bag??


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 22, 2008, 11:37:46 AM
So the top 2 candidates for VP both have a son named "Beau", suspicious


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: WalterMitty on August 22, 2008, 11:38:35 AM
from the ap:

Quote
Several officials said Rep. Chet Edwards, whose district includes President Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas, had made the list of finalists


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: cp on August 22, 2008, 11:42:45 AM
Is there ANY reason to believe Edwards would be a good choice?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: elcorazon on August 22, 2008, 11:43:59 AM
my inside info says they will announce tomorrow morning.  weird, if true, although it's all weird. I guess this is part of the new type of campaign we have heard so much about.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on August 22, 2008, 11:44:36 AM
Is there ANY reason to believe Edwards would be a good choice?
Nope.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: WalterMitty on August 22, 2008, 11:45:27 AM
Is there ANY reason to believe Edwards would be a good choice?

the same could be asked of bayh and biden.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 22, 2008, 11:51:12 AM
Here's another question.  Once the first person posts a thread on this board saying who the pick is, how long will it take that thread to make it to 100 posts?  Also, how many threads we will have on the selection within the first hour of him (or her, I guess) being named?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: YRABNNRM on August 22, 2008, 11:54:05 AM
Is there ANY reason to believe Edwards would be a good choice?

the same could be asked of bayh and biden.

I believe that Biden is far superior to Bayh and Edwards. I've been saying that Obama should choose him ever since he announced his candidacy.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Ronnie on August 22, 2008, 11:57:50 AM
Is there ANY reason to believe Edwards would be a good choice?

I don't think that there is any reason to believe a man who cheated on his wife and a tort lawyer would be a good running mate


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 22, 2008, 11:58:50 AM
Is there ANY reason to believe Edwards would be a good choice?

I don't think that there is any reason to believe a man who cheated on his wife and a tort lawyer would be a good running mate
Hi, its me Earth again, have we met?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Grumpier Than Uncle Joe on August 22, 2008, 12:06:01 PM
He'll announce before the nightly news shows kick in.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 12:13:07 PM
Another problem with Chet is that Obama will look like he does whatever Pelosi tells him to.  He's just throwing the House Blue Dogs a bone by vetting Chet.

Here's what all of the VP's have done today
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j1ZlXAsnQa-4VAeODWWmCJ6VH3UAD92NEUQG0


_Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine visited George Washington University in Washington, D.C., with his son, daughter and wife. When asked if Obama had contacted him regarding the vice presidency, he declined to comment.

_Sen. Joe Biden was at home in northern Delaware, where he met for about 30 minutes with his state director.

_Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius was in her office in Topeka, Kan., then left the Statehouse to address a meeting of Kansas AFL-CIO activists. She also planned to interview judicial candidates, meet with aides and prepare for the Democratic National Convention in Denver, her staff has said.

_Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh went to his twin sons' tennis camp in Washington and planned to return to his home in the District to spend time with his family, Bayh spokesman Eric Kleiman said.

_New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton toured the New York State Fair in Syracuse, where shook hands with fairgoers and prepared to make some remarks.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: YRABNNRM on August 22, 2008, 12:32:54 PM
I don't think that there is any reason to believe a man who cheated on his wife and a tort lawyer would be a good running mate

erm...it's CHET Edwards that was being considered, not John.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 22, 2008, 12:38:47 PM
Ambinder:

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/08/veepstakes_tidings.php

Quote
CNN first reported, and I can confirm, that Barack Obama has begun calling some folks who were vetted but who didn't quite make it.

Maybe these aren't the short-listers. Maybe these are the long-listers.

In any event, Hillary Clinton has NOT been called. (There's "news" of her not-being vetted, but the New York Times reported this a while ago.)

Evan Bayh has NOT been called.

and Joe Biden has not only NOT been called, it appears that everyone associated with him as gone to ground.

And FWIW: some Bayh folks think Biden's the guy.

Also FWIW: Virginia Democrats still don't think Kaine's the guy.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 01:02:18 PM
FOX News says that they have houses in front of everyone's home and the VP prospects are all just sitting around waiting for that phone call (or looking like they are, apparently).  They have a crew scrambling to get to Chet Edward's home.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: WalterMitty on August 22, 2008, 01:04:52 PM
FOX News says that they have houses in front of everyone's home and the VP prospects are all just sitting around waiting for that phone call (or looking like they are, apparently).  They have a crew scrambling to get to Chet Edward's home.

chet was interviewed on cnn not long ago.

i only caught the tail end of it, but it sounded as if he had gotten the 'it isnt you' call.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 22, 2008, 01:05:14 PM
FOX News says that they have houses in front of everyone's home.....

Houses in front of everyone's home?  You mean they've blockaded them in there by constructing an adjoining house, just for the media?  This is getting ridiculous.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 01:15:15 PM
FOX News says that they have houses in front of everyone's home.....

Houses in front of everyone's home?  You mean they've blockaded them in there by constructing an adjoining house, just for the media?  This is getting ridiculous.


Err...yeah... crews not houses.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Iosif on August 22, 2008, 01:33:31 PM
I hope everybody is ready for a massive anticlimax.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 22, 2008, 02:04:08 PM
Obama should announce his running mate with a 3am phone call.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 22, 2008, 02:07:06 PM
Seriously though, Chet Edwards? Why would Obama seriously even consider someone with the last name "Edwards"? You don't really want to confuse the masses on this one.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 02:10:33 PM
Edwards isn't as awful of a pick as he might seem.

First of all, it's interesting that his name just got leaked.  Perhaps it's to throw him and Pelosi a bone, but it's also possible that it's to make his eventual surprise pick create less of a "Who?" factor.

He is a Democrat representing the most Republican district in the country according to FOX and represents the largest military base in the country, but still has a lot of liberal positions like abortion. 

I don't know if Obama can get away with selecting anyone with the title Congressman though due to Obama's own experience problems.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: exopolitician on August 22, 2008, 02:16:16 PM
Please no...not Edwards. Now im really nervous whenever I get a text or something....I dont want to see :x


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 22, 2008, 02:18:29 PM
I don't know that the Edwards thing was leaked as a bone to Pelosi.  Rather, the vetting of Edwards itself would be a bone to Pelosi, and we're just now getting leaks about who was vetted and who wasn't because the process is over, and there's not much point in keeping that secret anymore.  Unless you think that Edwards *wasn't* vetted, and it was leaked that he was vetted as part of some deception, but I'm not so sure about that.  I understand that Chet was on CNN earlier and didn't exactly knock down the idea that he was vetted, so it's probably true.  Not much point to people keeping it a secret as to whether they were vetted anymore.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 02:20:08 PM
Chet Edwards speaking live on FOX right now.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 02:22:18 PM
"We've been pretty successful at keeping this a secret for the last three months." - Edwards speaking on the vetting process.

"I've been known for being a champion of veterans.  Known as a supporter of national defense.  I'd most like to be known as a general down-to-earth" - Edwards speaking on what he is known for.

DAMN, that sounds a lot like what the convention theme is going to be and what Obama says he wants in his VP.

UGH WHAT ARE YOU DOING


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: True Democrat on August 22, 2008, 02:22:56 PM
"We've been pretty successful at keeping this a secret for the last three months." - Edwards speaking on the vetting process.

"I've been known for being a champion of veterans.  Known as a supporter of national defense.  I'd most like to be known as a general down-to-earth" - Edwards speaking on what he is known for.

DAMN, that sounds a lot like what the convention theme is going to be and what Obama says he wants in his VP.

UGH WHAT ARE YOU DOING

If it's Chet Edwards, that would just be too weird.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: War on Want on August 22, 2008, 02:24:42 PM
"We've been pretty successful at keeping this a secret for the last three months." - Edwards speaking on the vetting process.

"I've been known for being a champion of veterans.  Known as a supporter of national defense.  I'd most like to be known as a general down-to-earth" - Edwards speaking on what he is known for.

DAMN, that sounds a lot like what the convention theme is going to be and what Obama says he wants in his VP.

UGH WHAT ARE YOU DOING
It better not be Edwards...


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 22, 2008, 02:25:16 PM
Uggh. I hope this is a sick joke.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 02:25:29 PM
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gxVW-aUPQsPkU0JKEleSPNCyxSsAD92NH0802

"Obviously, the most important question is: Is this person ready to be president?" Obama told "The Early Show" on CBS. Second, he said, was: "Can this person help me govern? Are they going to be an effective partner in creating the kind of economic opportunity here at home and guiding us through some dangerous waters internationally?"

And, he added: "I want somebody who is going to be able to challenge my thinking and not simply be a 'yes person' when it comes to policymaking.

Among those believed in the running, Biden, Bayh and Edwards fit the mold of running mate with experience in defense or foreign policy — areas in which Obama performs relatively poorly in the polls compared with Republican Sen. John McCain.

Clinton's credentials were forged in the primaries and caucuses where she ran a close second to Obama in the battle for the nomination.

There was no shortages of other speculation, ranging from: GOP Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, who traveled with Obama to Iraq and Afghanistan; Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee, or Democratic Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut.

Edwards, whom Speaker Nancy Pelosi had touted for running mate, told reporters in Waco, Texas, "I have had interactions with the Obama campaign over the last several months but I will not get into details."

One Democratic official with knowledge of the conversation said Obama told Pelosi recently that she would be pleased with the choice. Other Democratic officials said he was on the short list. All spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss Obama's selection process.

Edwards, chairman of the Military Construction and Veterans Affairs Appropriations Subcommittee, is a nine-term moderate Democrat representing the GOP-leaning Texas district. He is well-known in Texas but does not have a national profile.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 02:28:44 PM
FOX says that the McCain camp is shooting down the idea that he has picked Romney already.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: WalterMitty on August 22, 2008, 02:30:45 PM
if edwards is chosen, i wish i could see the look on biden's face. haha.  getting passed up..yet again, this time for some obscure texas congressman.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 22, 2008, 02:33:26 PM
I'm still about 80% sure that it's gonna be Biden.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: CultureKing on August 22, 2008, 02:33:57 PM
if edwards is chosen, i wish i could see the look on biden's face. haha.  getting passed up..yet again, this time for some obscure texas congressman.

Was Biden looked at by Gore, Kerry, Clinton and/or Dukakis?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: WalterMitty on August 22, 2008, 02:34:54 PM
if edwards is chosen, i wish i could see the look on biden's face. haha.  getting passed up..yet again, this time for some obscure texas congressman.

Was Biden looked at by Gore, Kerry, Clinton and/or Dukakis?

i think kerry looked seriously at him.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 22, 2008, 02:41:26 PM
if edwards is chosen, i wish i could see the look on biden's face. haha.  getting passed up..yet again, this time for some obscure texas congressman.

Was Biden looked at by Gore, Kerry, Clinton and/or Dukakis?

i think kerry looked seriously at him.

Did he?  I don't remember that.  Also, Bayh was considered by Gore back in 2000.  Here's a BBC article from 2000 on Gore's short list:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/869490.stm

They list Bayh, Edwards, Kerry and Lieberman.  If Obama picks Bayh this time around, then all four of those 2000 short listers will have ended up on a national ticket.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 22, 2008, 03:09:51 PM
So what time do you people think the announcement will come?

I have to be at work in 82 minutes!


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: ucscgaldamez on August 22, 2008, 03:10:07 PM
I think we're just gonna have to wait till tomorrow.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 03:11:44 PM
Well, if Obama wants it to be at least 12 pm Hawaii time, he has to wait until 5 pm EST.  Right now it is 11 am in Hawaii.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on August 22, 2008, 03:12:43 PM
I think we're just gonna have to wait till tomorrow.
Wait until about 5:30, right before evening news starts. If it doesnt come by then, it aint coming today, which would be a serious trip up by the Obama Campaign. Wasting this much hype (by bad pick or waiting another day) will cause all of this to seriously backfire.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 03:13:52 PM
Oh, by the way, Gibbs said in a FOX interview an hour ago that Obama might wait until next Wednesday to announce the VP.  He said it kind of like he didn't mean it though.

For people who don't know, Gibbs is in Obama's tightest inner circle and certainly knows who Obama has chosen (along with Axelrod and Plouffe).


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Brittain33 on August 22, 2008, 03:15:12 PM
FOX says that the McCain camp is shooting down the idea that he has picked Romney already.

Did Fox actually use that metaphor? Awkward!


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 22, 2008, 03:16:03 PM
Well, if Obama wants it to be at least 12 pm Hawaii time, he has to wait until 5 pm EST.  Right now it is 11 am in Hawaii.

What's so magical about 12pm?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Eraserhead on August 22, 2008, 03:16:40 PM
Next Wednesday? LOL


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on August 22, 2008, 03:16:56 PM
Well, if Obama wants it to be at least 12 pm Hawaii time, he has to wait until 5 pm EST.  Right now it is 11 am in Hawaii.

What's so magical about 12pm?

Ummm....duh. Its.....after......11....?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on August 22, 2008, 03:17:41 PM
Oh, by the way, Gibbs said in a FOX interview an hour ago that Obama might wait until next Wednesday to announce the VP.  He said it kind of like he didn't mean it though.

For people who don't know, Gibbs is in Obama's tightest inner circle and certainly knows who Obama has chosen (along with Axelrod and Plouffe).
It'd be time to go with the Jesse Jackson Plan at that point. :P


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Boris on August 22, 2008, 03:18:43 PM

It's around the time the crucial unemployed-and-waiting-to-leave-for-college-18-year-old demographic wakes up.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 03:18:55 PM
Kids are killing the news media paparazzi in lemonade prices
ABC

With reporters staked out in their front lawn night and day all week long to monitor Sen. Evan Bayh's house across the street, the three Waldman kids found a way to profit - sell lemonade to the thirsty media throng.

And boy did they make a killing.

No sooner had the stand been set up at the base of their driveway then instantly a line formed five-deep in cameramen. Location, location, location. Serving the ice-cold juice in nice pint-sized glassware, the kids quickly made a buck or two...or twenty.

The elder Waldman saleswoman, Siena, 6 (and 3/4!) said she'd use the profits to buy a walkie-talkie, but noted that it'd be "expensive."

No wonder she was charging a dollar a drink.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 03:20:10 PM
Well, if Obama wants it to be at least 12 pm Hawaii time, he has to wait until 5 pm EST.  Right now it is 11 am in Hawaii.

What's so magical about 12pm?


Nothing except that it's the "afternoon."

11:20 am works just as well, really.  But 12 o'clock is sort of a catchy time to release it, eh?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 22, 2008, 03:22:29 PM
Well, if Obama wants it to be at least 12 pm Hawaii time, he has to wait until 5 pm EST.  Right now it is 11 am in Hawaii.

What's so magical about 12pm?


Nothing except that it's the "afternoon."

11:20 am works just as well, really.  But 12 o'clock is sort of a catchy time to release it, eh?

Ummm....dare I ask....will anyone care what time the news comes out in Hawaii?  Is Obama afraid of losing Hawaii because of resentment over the "early morning" timing of his VP announcement?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: cp on August 22, 2008, 03:26:30 PM
Indeed, I seriously doubt that he's delaying the announcement on Hawaii's account.

He's probably just letter the blogosphere and the media work themselves up into as big a tizzy as they can before he announces. The longer he waits the bigger it gets and the bigger the impact of the announcement. It's a clever move, especially since McCain won't have the same kind of advantage for his announcement. Mind you, if Obama waits till tomorrow he's too clever by a half and really screws up.

Btw, if people on the East Coast think it's bad having to wait all day till the late afternoon to hear the news, think how bad it is for those of us on the other side of the pond :S:S:S


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: NOVA Green on August 22, 2008, 03:27:29 PM
Well, if Obama wants it to be at least 12 pm Hawaii time, he has to wait until 5 pm EST.  Right now it is 11 am in Hawaii.

What's so magical about 12pm?


Nothing except that it's the "afternoon."

11:20 am works just as well, really.  But 12 o'clock is sort of a catchy time to release it, eh?

Ummm....dare I ask....will anyone care what time the news comes out in Hawaii?  Is Obama afraid of losing Hawaii because of resentment over the "early morning" timing of his VP announcement?


Wasn't there some speculation on this forum a few weeks back of Obama picking Hawaii Republican governor Linda Lingle as VP?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 03:28:34 PM
Yeah by Walter but that doesn't count.

Well, if Obama wants it to be at least 12 pm Hawaii time, he has to wait until 5 pm EST.  Right now it is 11 am in Hawaii.

What's so magical about 12pm?


Nothing except that it's the "afternoon."

11:20 am works just as well, really.  But 12 o'clock is sort of a catchy time to release it, eh?

Ummm....dare I ask....will anyone care what time the news comes out in Hawaii?  Is Obama afraid of losing Hawaii because of resentment over the "early morning" timing of his VP announcement?


Yeah I know.  I just looked up the time zones and felt like mentioning my newfound knowledge.


 If I had to guess at the two most likely times though, I would say 5pm or 6:30pm EST.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: WalterMitty on August 22, 2008, 03:37:02 PM
Yeah by Walter but that doesn't count.

come again?

and i never speculated that obama would pick lingle.  i asked about her chances with mccain.  phil and other righties said she was 1. jewish and 2., gay, therefore unacceptable to their wing of the party.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: HardRCafé on August 22, 2008, 03:41:24 PM
Lingle brings so much to an Obama ticket.  Without her, can he hold onto Hawai'i?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: J. J. on August 22, 2008, 03:42:24 PM
I jusdt got the call, it's me, Obama wants the Black vote.  :P


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 03:45:35 PM
Yeah by Walter but that doesn't count.

come again?

and i never speculated that obama would pick lingle.  i asked about her chances with mccain.  phil and other righties said she was 1. jewish and 2., gay, therefore unacceptable to their wing of the party.

I'm just teasing ;).  I thought you said Obama/Lingle but no worries.

ABC news
Chet Edwards says that he too is looking forward to the text message!
Speaking to reporters on his front lawn in Waco, Edwards said, “I’m unknown to most Americans, I’m probably better known at my son’s little league ball games and Boy Scout camp outs than in the social circles in Washington, DC.  I try to be a work horse, not a show horse in Washington.”

Edwards gave no details on his contact with the Obama campaign, saying, “There’s only one person who’s gonna make that decision and that’s Sen. Obama and I’m going to respect that.”

He said he too has signed up for the Obama campaign’s vice presidential text message announcement and does not yet know when he is going to Denver.


Asked what he would bring to a national campaign, the Congressman cited his work for veterans and military families.  Edwards is the chairman of the House Military Construction and Veterans Affairs Appropriations subcommittee.



Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: elcorazon on August 22, 2008, 03:46:01 PM
I jusdt got the call, it's me, Obama wants the Black vote.  :P
good one J.J. you are so droll.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: NOVA Green on August 22, 2008, 03:46:33 PM
Yeah by Walter but that doesn't count.

come again?

and i never speculated that obama would pick lingle.  i asked about her chances with mccain.  phil and other righties said she was 1. jewish and 2., gay, therefore unacceptable to their wing of the party.

Sorry Walter, I couldn't remember who posted that and what the context was, but it seemed to fit the Hawaii speculation that people have been chatting about the past few minutes.

That having been said, it would seem that this would be a poor choice for McCain, although this is best discussed on another thread.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 03:53:08 PM
Biden has received flowers today, think they are from Obama?

Hillary has delegates that are going to be circulating a petition to make Obama choose Hillary as the VP nominee.  She is talking on the phone with FOX right now.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on August 22, 2008, 04:03:52 PM
5 o'clock......its quiet.......toooooooooo quiet..........


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Reaganfan on August 22, 2008, 04:04:53 PM
He needs to get over his ego trip and announce someone.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: riceowl on August 22, 2008, 04:05:15 PM
this is part of an ego trip?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Reaganfan on August 22, 2008, 04:07:06 PM

Of course it is. Dragged it out as long as possible...big speech not at convention but that Invesco Field...he thinks he is the all mighty. He's losing states Hillary could have been competitive in by 30 pts! He isn't all that mighty...and next week is the last time we get to see "teleprompter Obama".


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: YRABNNRM on August 22, 2008, 04:08:11 PM

Of course it is. Dragged it out as long as possible...big speech not at convention but that Invesco Field...he thinks he is the all mighty. He's losing states Hillary could have been competitive in by 30 pts! He isn't all that mighty...and next week is the last time we get to see "teleprompter Obama".

I'm glad to see you were just listening to Hannity because those were all of his talking points.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Reaganfan on August 22, 2008, 04:19:11 PM

Of course it is. Dragged it out as long as possible...big speech not at convention but that Invesco Field...he thinks he is the all mighty. He's losing states Hillary could have been competitive in by 30 pts! He isn't all that mighty...and next week is the last time we get to see "teleprompter Obama".

I'm glad to see you were just listening to Hannity because those were all of his talking points.

I don't listen to that program.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: WalterMitty on August 22, 2008, 04:28:12 PM
is the announcement  *definitely* coming today?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on August 22, 2008, 04:29:30 PM
is the announcement  *definitely* coming today?
Its supposed to be definitely....... :-\


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 22, 2008, 04:31:31 PM
is the announcement  *definitely* coming today?

No, they could wait until tomorrow.  The Obama campaign has reserved a location in Springfield for an Obama appearance tomorrow at noon, where he's thought to be making his first appearance with his running mate (though, has the Obama campaign confirmed that on the record?).  Presumably, as soon as one of the VP contenders gets on a plane for Springfield, the secret would be out.....but I suppose they could conceivably wait until tomorrow morning for that to happen.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Erc on August 22, 2008, 04:32:51 PM
If he's announcing today, I can't imagine him not announcing it in the next hour, before the evening news starts.  Although...are the evening news shows live on the East Coast, or not?  If they're recorded, then it's too late anyway...


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 22, 2008, 04:34:41 PM
If he's announcing today, I can't imagine him not announcing it in the next hour, before the evening news starts.  Although...are the evening news shows live on the East Coast, or not?  If they're recorded, then it's too late anyway...

I'm pretty sure they're live.

Also:

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/08/timing_hints_gibbs_doing_the_m.php

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Obama chief strategist Robert Gibbs booked on morning shows tomorrow....

Hard to imagine he'd appear BEFORE we know...


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 22, 2008, 04:39:26 PM
With all this wait he's pretty much killed any buzz or bump his campaign would get normally. 


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 04:41:12 PM
Damn that's big news Morden.  Let's hang on our seats, it could come in twenty minutes or possibly fifty!


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on August 22, 2008, 04:45:59 PM

Of course it is. Dragged it out as long as possible...big speech not at convention but that Invesco Field...he thinks he is the all mighty. He's losing states Hillary could have been competitive in by 30 pts! He isn't all that mighty...and next week is the last time we get to see "teleprompter Obama".

I'm glad to see you were just listening to Hannity because those were all of his talking points.

I don't listen to that program.

That's a shame.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Flying Dog on August 22, 2008, 04:47:54 PM

Of course it is. Dragged it out as long as possible...big speech not at convention but that Invesco Field...he thinks he is the all mighty. He's losing states Hillary could have been competitive in by 30 pts! He isn't all that mighty...and next week is the last time we get to see "teleprompter Obama".

I'm glad to see you were just listening to Hannity because those were all of his talking points.

I don't listen to that program.

That's a shame.

Yes, it's a shame he wants to keep his brain unwarped.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 22, 2008, 04:48:03 PM
All we really know with absolute certainty:

The Obama campaign has confirmed on the record that they have an event in Springfield tomorrow.  At least one "senior Obama campaign official" has informed various news organizations that Obama will appear with his running mate at that event.  But, AFAIK, the Obama campaign hasn't even gone on the record publicly with *that*.  (But of course, there's no reason to lie about what the event in Springfield is going to be about.)


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on August 22, 2008, 04:51:06 PM

Of course it is. Dragged it out as long as possible...big speech not at convention but that Invesco Field...he thinks he is the all mighty. He's losing states Hillary could have been competitive in by 30 pts! He isn't all that mighty...and next week is the last time we get to see "teleprompter Obama".

I'm glad to see you were just listening to Hannity because those were all of his talking points.

I don't listen to that program.

That's a shame.

Yes, it's a shame he wants to keep his brain unwarped.

So you at least admit that Naso has an unwarped brain.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Flying Dog on August 22, 2008, 04:52:04 PM

Of course it is. Dragged it out as long as possible...big speech not at convention but that Invesco Field...he thinks he is the all mighty. He's losing states Hillary could have been competitive in by 30 pts! He isn't all that mighty...and next week is the last time we get to see "teleprompter Obama".

I'm glad to see you were just listening to Hannity because those were all of his talking points.

I don't listen to that program.

That's a shame.

Yes, it's a shame he wants to keep his brain unwarped.

So you at least admit that Naso has an unwarped brain.

There are other ways ones' brain can be warped, I'm afraid.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: YRABNNRM on August 22, 2008, 04:55:25 PM

Of course it is. Dragged it out as long as possible...big speech not at convention but that Invesco Field...he thinks he is the all mighty. He's losing states Hillary could have been competitive in by 30 pts! He isn't all that mighty...and next week is the last time we get to see "teleprompter Obama".

I'm glad to see you were just listening to Hannity because those were all of his talking points.

I don't listen to that program.

That's a shame.

Yes, it's a shame he wants to keep his brain unwarped.

So you at least admit that Naso has an unwarped brain.

There are other ways ones' brain can be warped, I'm afraid.

He does listen to Rush.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 22, 2008, 04:57:45 PM
I can't even find what time tomorrow's event in Springfield will begin.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 22, 2008, 04:58:16 PM
Well this has been silly, hasn't it.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on August 22, 2008, 04:58:25 PM

Of course it is. Dragged it out as long as possible...big speech not at convention but that Invesco Field...he thinks he is the all mighty. He's losing states Hillary could have been competitive in by 30 pts! He isn't all that mighty...and next week is the last time we get to see "teleprompter Obama".

I'm glad to see you were just listening to Hannity because those were all of his talking points.

I don't listen to that program.

That's a shame.

Yes, it's a shame he wants to keep his brain unwarped.

So you at least admit that Naso has an unwarped brain.

There are other ways ones' brain can be warped, I'm afraid.

He does listen to Rush.

Good man.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 04:58:41 PM
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After weeks of speculation and days of intense rumors, the answer to who Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama would name as his running mate may have come down to a bumper sticker printed in Lenexa.KMBC's Micheal Mahoney reported that the company, which specializes in political literature, has been printing Obama-Bayh material. That's Bayh as in U.S. Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana. Word leaked out about the material as it was being printed up by Gill Studios of Lenexa. The Obama campaign had said it would make the announcement by text message on Friday.

http://www.kmbc.com/politics/17267009/detail.html


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Boris on August 22, 2008, 04:59:41 PM
I can't even find what time tomorrow's event in Springfield will begin.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/springfieldFTK

1200 PM


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: War on Want on August 22, 2008, 05:01:37 PM
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After weeks of speculation and days of intense rumors, the answer to who Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama would name as his running mate may have come down to a bumper sticker printed in Lenexa.KMBC's Micheal Mahoney reported that the company, which specializes in political literature, has been printing Obama-Bayh material. That's Bayh as in U.S. Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana. Word leaked out about the material as it was being printed up by Gill Studios of Lenexa. The Obama campaign had said it would make the announcement by text message on Friday.

http://www.kmbc.com/politics/17267009/detail.html
I guess this means I am right. Yay!


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: YRABNNRM on August 22, 2008, 05:02:05 PM
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After weeks of speculation and days of intense rumors, the answer to who Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama would name as his running mate may have come down to a bumper sticker printed in Lenexa.KMBC's Micheal Mahoney reported that the company, which specializes in political literature, has been printing Obama-Bayh material. That's Bayh as in U.S. Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana. Word leaked out about the material as it was being printed up by Gill Studios of Lenexa. The Obama campaign had said it would make the announcement by text message on Friday.

http://www.kmbc.com/politics/17267009/detail.html

Yes, but it could have been a precaution. I believe in 2004 the Kerry campaign had some signs and stickers produced with Vilsack's name and Gephardt's name on them.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Flying Dog on August 22, 2008, 05:04:11 PM
()


After weeks of speculation and days of intense rumors, the answer to who Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama would name as his running mate may have come down to a bumper sticker printed in Lenexa.KMBC's Micheal Mahoney reported that the company, which specializes in political literature, has been printing Obama-Bayh material. That's Bayh as in U.S. Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana. Word leaked out about the material as it was being printed up by Gill Studios of Lenexa. The Obama campaign had said it would make the announcement by text message on Friday.

http://www.kmbc.com/politics/17267009/detail.html
I guess this means I am right. Yay!

The company said they've been printing Obama-***** bumper stickers for numerous possible picks for a while now....

http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/13891


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: WalterMitty on August 22, 2008, 05:05:06 PM
what if:  the one he chose may have had a change of heart and declined the offer?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on August 22, 2008, 05:06:26 PM
what if:  the one he chose may have had a change of heart and declined the offer?

That could be the reason for the wait.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Flying Dog on August 22, 2008, 05:07:18 PM
what if:  the one he chose may have had a change of heart and declined the offer?

That could be the reason for the wait.

B**ch


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on August 22, 2008, 05:07:35 PM

What?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Meeker on August 22, 2008, 05:07:58 PM
Edwards is hispanic, right? Double-minority ticket?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on August 22, 2008, 05:08:18 PM
Edwards is hispanic, right? Double-minority ticket?

Nope, white Southern guy.
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Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Meeker on August 22, 2008, 05:10:59 PM
Well this makes slightly more sense now.

Still a big WTF if he's picked though.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 22, 2008, 05:13:06 PM
what if:  the one he chose may have had a change of heart and declined the offer?

It would be hilarious if Obama first called everyone who didn't get the job, and then when he called the guy he was choosing, that person said "Actually, thanks, but I think I'll decline."


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Flying Dog on August 22, 2008, 05:14:18 PM
Ugh, come on, Obama! I'll be pissed if I spent my few precious hours of freedom waiting for Obama's VP selection and it doesn't come.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on August 22, 2008, 05:17:18 PM
Ugh, come on, Obama! I'll be pissed if I spent my few precious hours of freedom waiting for Obama's VP selection and it doesn't come.

I've now wasted a good 3 hours.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 22, 2008, 05:17:30 PM
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/08/fun_with_flightaware_whats_thi.php

Quote
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/EJA863

A flight from Midway to New Castle, DE... to pick someone up? Who knows?  No other flights from anywhere in and around Chicago to anywhere in and around Delaware... or vice versa. Just this charter.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Boris on August 22, 2008, 05:19:21 PM
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/08/fun_with_flightaware_whats_thi.php

Quote
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/EJA863

A flight from Midway to New Castle, DE... to pick someone up? Who knows?  No other flights from anywhere in and around Chicago to anywhere in and around Delaware... or vice versa. Just this charter.


Wow, these people are dedicated.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on August 22, 2008, 05:19:37 PM
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/08/fun_with_flightaware_whats_thi.php

Quote
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/EJA863

A flight from Midway to New Castle, DE... to pick someone up? Who knows?  No other flights from anywhere in and around Chicago to anywhere in and around Delaware... or vice versa. Just this charter.


If it's Biden, I hope he doesn't wait until the plane lands to send out the announcement.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 22, 2008, 05:22:23 PM
That plane is supposed to land at about 7:35pm Eastern btw.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on August 22, 2008, 05:23:18 PM
That plane is supposed to land at about 7:35pm Eastern btw.


Do you think it'll be announced then?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Erc on August 22, 2008, 05:24:19 PM
You know who else lives in Delaware?

Tom Carper.  :p

(That's gotta be one of the least-mentioned Senators, at this point...)


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 22, 2008, 05:25:22 PM

No idea.  Whether this is even an Obama plane being used to pick up Biden is of course pure speculation.  All we know is that this is the only flight in the air between Chicago and Delaware, and it's a charter flight.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on August 22, 2008, 05:26:01 PM

No idea.  Whether this is even an Obama plane being used to pick up Biden is of course pure speculation.  All we know is that this is the only flight in the air between Chicago and Delaware, and it's a charter flight.


If I wasted 4 hours for this, I will be very pissed off at Obama.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on August 22, 2008, 05:26:55 PM

No idea.  Whether this is even an Obama plane being used to pick up Biden is of course pure speculation.  All we know is that this is the only flight in the air between Chicago and Delaware, and it's a charter flight.


If I wasted 4 hours for this, I will be very pissed off at Obama.
You wont be the only one, I assure you.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on August 22, 2008, 05:27:33 PM

No idea.  Whether this is even an Obama plane being used to pick up Biden is of course pure speculation.  All we know is that this is the only flight in the air between Chicago and Delaware, and it's a charter flight.


If I wasted 4 hours for this, I will be very pissed off at Obama.
You wont be the only one, I assure you.

Well, I'm already pissed that I've wasted 3+ hours.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: J. J. on August 22, 2008, 05:27:53 PM

No idea.  Whether this is even an Obama plane being used to pick up Biden is of course pure speculation.  All we know is that this is the only flight in the air between Chicago and Delaware, and it's a charter flight.


Biden is famous for taking the train.

My guess is, we find out officially in the next 25 minutes or they wait until tomorrow.  They've almost blow it at this point.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on August 22, 2008, 05:28:13 PM

No idea.  Whether this is even an Obama plane being used to pick up Biden is of course pure speculation.  All we know is that this is the only flight in the air between Chicago and Delaware, and it's a charter flight.


If I wasted 4 hours for this, I will be very pissed off at Obama.
You wont be the only one, I assure you.

Well, I'm already pissed that I've wasted 3+ hours.
Ive spent 8........-_-


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Erc on August 22, 2008, 05:29:09 PM
Does Obama even have to pick a running-mate?  He could just leave the choice up to the delegates in 1972-fashion, or let the electors handle it, after all :).

(Which would guarantee that either Hillary or Feinstein ends up as our next VP if he wins...)


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on August 22, 2008, 05:29:43 PM

No idea.  Whether this is even an Obama plane being used to pick up Biden is of course pure speculation.  All we know is that this is the only flight in the air between Chicago and Delaware, and it's a charter flight.


If I wasted 4 hours for this, I will be very pissed off at Obama.
You wont be the only one, I assure you.

Well, I'm already pissed that I've wasted 3+ hours.
Ive spent 8........-_-

I didn't know about it until 2:30 when I heard it on Rush, and I was driving then.  I signed up on BO's website around 3:30


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on August 22, 2008, 05:31:32 PM

No idea.  Whether this is even an Obama plane being used to pick up Biden is of course pure speculation.  All we know is that this is the only flight in the air between Chicago and Delaware, and it's a charter flight.


If I wasted 4 hours for this, I will be very pissed off at Obama.
You wont be the only one, I assure you.

Well, I'm already pissed that I've wasted 3+ hours.
Ive spent 8........-_-

I didn't know about it until 2:30 when I heard it on Rush, and I was driving then.  I signed up on BO's website around 3:30
Heard it on Rush? *shivers* ;)


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on August 22, 2008, 05:32:32 PM

No idea.  Whether this is even an Obama plane being used to pick up Biden is of course pure speculation.  All we know is that this is the only flight in the air between Chicago and Delaware, and it's a charter flight.


If I wasted 4 hours for this, I will be very pissed off at Obama.
You wont be the only one, I assure you.

Well, I'm already pissed that I've wasted 3+ hours.
Ive spent 8........-_-

I didn't know about it until 2:30 when I heard it on Rush, and I was driving then.  I signed up on BO's website around 3:30
Heard it on Rush? *shivers*

I had heard something from a friend last night, but didn't know what he was talking about.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 05:32:56 PM
ANY MINUTE NOW AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on August 22, 2008, 05:33:12 PM
ANY MINUTE NOW AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!

That's what she said.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Erc on August 22, 2008, 05:33:59 PM
If the delay is due to him having to try to convince somebody to join him on the ticket (quite unlikely), I can only think of two people who could fit that description...Mark Warner and Hillary Clinton [and Al Gore I suppose, but let's not be silly].

In other news, it's now after 6:30, so this is when I stop paying attention.

It's not coming tonight, guys.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on August 22, 2008, 05:34:40 PM
If the delay is due to him having to try to convince somebody to join him on the ticket (quite unlikely), I can only think of two people who could fit that description...Mark Warner and Hillary Clinton [and Al Gore I suppose, but let's not be silly].

In other news, it's now after 6:30, so this is when I stop paying attention.

It's not coming tonight, guys.

Did he officially say it'd be tonight?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on August 22, 2008, 05:40:40 PM
That plane is supposed to land at about 7:35pm Eastern btw.


Somebody should just get another plane up there and see what happens.  See if they're told not to get too close by the FAA or somebody.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Josh/Devilman88 on August 22, 2008, 05:41:40 PM
If the delay is due to him having to try to convince somebody to join him on the ticket (quite unlikely), I can only think of two people who could fit that description...Mark Warner and Hillary Clinton [and Al Gore I suppose, but let's not be silly].

In other news, it's now after 6:30, so this is when I stop paying attention.

It's not coming tonight, guys.

Did he officially say it'd be tonight?

No he didn't, but if we don't get anything before 10:30 PM EST then it will not come today..


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: J. J. on August 22, 2008, 05:42:00 PM
If the delay is due to him having to try to convince somebody to join him on the ticket (quite unlikely), I can only think of two people who could fit that description...Mark Warner and Hillary Clinton [and Al Gore I suppose, but let's not be silly].

In other news, it's now after 6:30, so this is when I stop paying attention.

It's not coming tonight, guys.

Did he officially say it'd be tonight?

No, he said by (or Bayh) tomorrow.  6:45 PM EDT or he misses the window.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on August 22, 2008, 05:43:36 PM
If the delay is due to him having to try to convince somebody to join him on the ticket (quite unlikely), I can only think of two people who could fit that description...Mark Warner and Hillary Clinton [and Al Gore I suppose, but let's not be silly].

In other news, it's now after 6:30, so this is when I stop paying attention.

It's not coming tonight, guys.

Did he officially say it'd be tonight?

No, he said by (or Bayh) tomorrow.  6:45 PM EDT or he misses the window.

Well if I'd have known that, I wouldn't have sat here for 3.5 hours.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on August 22, 2008, 05:45:57 PM
If the delay is due to him having to try to convince somebody to join him on the ticket (quite unlikely), I can only think of two people who could fit that description...Mark Warner and Hillary Clinton [and Al Gore I suppose, but let's not be silly].

In other news, it's now after 6:30, so this is when I stop paying attention.

It's not coming tonight, guys.

Did he officially say it'd be tonight?

No he didn't, but if we don't get anything before 10:30 PM EST then it will not come today..

8:00 and I'm done.  That leaves 30 minutes for the mystery man to leave the mystery plane.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 05:46:38 PM
I think he can wait until 8 pm EST, possibly later.

Ambinder notes that at this moment, Obama is going to dinner and then is planning on doing speech prep at home.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 22, 2008, 05:51:49 PM
Obama is going to dinner and then is planning on doing speech prep at home.

I can totally see this guy having the text/e-mail sent out, having everyone's heart stop for a second and then flip out as he's quietly sitting in his living room with a giant smirk on his face. A smirk that would look a lot like this actually...




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Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on August 22, 2008, 05:52:20 PM
Why the text gimmick if its minutes before th TV announcement?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on August 22, 2008, 05:53:12 PM
I think he can wait until 8 pm EST, possibly later.

Ambinder notes that at this moment, Obama is going to dinner and then is planning on doing speech prep at home.

So he's not on the airplane?  Or is he eating dinner on the airplane?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Erc on August 22, 2008, 05:54:22 PM
I think he can wait until 8 pm EST, possibly later.

Ambinder notes that at this moment, Obama is going to dinner and then is planning on doing speech prep at home.

So he's not on the airplane?  Or is he eating dinner on the airplane?

We'd know if he were on the airplane.  The idea is that the plane is picking up Biden, sans Obama, I suppose.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: War on Want on August 22, 2008, 05:55:24 PM
I think its funny how everyone is wasting their time on something of such little importance. If it is somebody like Biden there isn't even a political future for them after Obama's term is done.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 05:55:56 PM
Yeah, whoever is the pick has to be in Springfield by noon tomorrow.  Obama couldn't get to the airport secretly anyway.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: J. J. on August 22, 2008, 05:56:08 PM
I think he can wait until 8 pm EST, possibly later.

Ambinder notes that at this moment, Obama is going to dinner and then is planning on doing speech prep at home.

So he's not on the airplane?  Or is he eating dinner on the airplane?

No the opportunity dropped for today.  Right now, it's probably in counterproductive range, especially if it is Biden.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on August 22, 2008, 05:58:27 PM
I think its funny how everyone is wasting their time on something of such little importance. If it is somebody like Biden there isn't even a political future for them after Obama's term is done.

It's like a soap opera - like Passions!


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 05:59:55 PM
I think he can wait until 8 pm EST, possibly later.

Ambinder notes that at this moment, Obama is going to dinner and then is planning on doing speech prep at home.

So he's not on the airplane?  Or is he eating dinner on the airplane?

No the opportunity dropped for today.  Right now, it's probably in counterproductive range, especially if it is Biden.

Wait, think about it.  If Obama is going to be physically there in Illinois with his VP, we have to know by tonight.  The press is staking out the VP's houses.  If Biden or whoever leaves early in the morning tomorrow, then the news will break at 6 am EST, many hours before text messages could be sent out.

I say we find out tonight in the next hour.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Beet on August 22, 2008, 06:03:10 PM
The VP might be present by video conference.

The people the press thinks are Biden, Bayh, Edwards, Kaine, Sebelius and Clinton could all be hired actors.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: CultureKing on August 22, 2008, 06:06:04 PM
The VP might be present by video conference.

The people the press thinks are Biden, Bayh, Edwards, Kaine, Sebelius and Clinton could all be hired actors.

that would be hilarious.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on August 22, 2008, 06:06:39 PM
MSNBC is like 99.9999999% its Biden. :'(


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 06:07:15 PM
Haha, body doubles?

Late Friday, several officials said the text message announcement would be distributed Saturday morning, a few hours before a scheduled rally at the Old State Capitol in Springfield, Ill., where the Democratic ticket would appear for the first time.


Saturday morning text message?  Ugh.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gxVW-aUPQsPkU0JKEleSPNCyxSsAD92NKAEO0

If true, a lot of hung over people are going to be woken up on the West Coast.  "A few hours before noon" Chicago-time = :(


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: JSojourner on August 22, 2008, 06:07:37 PM
Is there ANY reason to believe Edwards would be a good choice?

the same could be asked of bayh and biden.

I believe that Biden is far superior to Bayh and Edwards. I've been saying that Obama should choose him ever since he announced his candidacy.

Same here.  Though I admit to being willing to accept Nunn, Gore or Gephardt cheerfully in Biden's stead.  As to Chet Edwards, shoot -- I like him.  And I like his resume.  But just the "Edwards" name is a problem...and I am not sure he has attack dog skills.  Don't know enough about him.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on August 22, 2008, 06:08:28 PM
Haha, body doubles?

Late Friday, several officials said the text message announcement would be distributed Saturday morning, a few hours before a scheduled rally at the Old State Capitol in Springfield, Ill., where the Democratic ticket would appear for the first time.


Saturday morning text message?  Ugh.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gxVW-aUPQsPkU0JKEleSPNCyxSsAD92NKAEO0

If true, a lot of hung over people are going to be woken up on the West Coast.  "A few hours before noon" Chicago-time = :(
Well, that sucks. Still, we'll know well before that because of some sort of dumb leak.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Meeker on August 22, 2008, 06:09:14 PM
I just happened to have lunch with someone who works for CBS Radio today and she said the network bigwigs told them that there was a good chance it wouldn't come until tomorrow morning.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Beet on August 22, 2008, 06:11:26 PM
Yeah why would he announce it after 7PM EST. Makes no sense.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on August 22, 2008, 06:12:02 PM
I just happened to have lunch with someone who works for CBS Radio today and she said the network bigwigs told them that there was a good chance it wouldn't come until tomorrow morning.

You couldn't tell us that 4 freaking hours ago!


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 06:12:39 PM
8 am PST makes less sense!


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on August 22, 2008, 06:13:44 PM
This whole thing (down to the projected quarter baked idiotic pick) makes no sense. :(


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 22, 2008, 06:15:57 PM
LOL Obama is so dumb


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Flying Dog on August 22, 2008, 06:17:45 PM

Fixed. :D


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: War on Want on August 22, 2008, 06:18:39 PM


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on August 22, 2008, 06:18:58 PM
Fixed. :P


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 22, 2008, 06:21:12 PM
How is this not idiotic on Obama's part?  He's totally killing the hype of the VP because people have been waiting so long thinking its going to come any minute for the past week.  Now when it finally does come, its just going to be like, "Hmm, that's interesting." and then move on


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on August 22, 2008, 06:22:11 PM
How is this not idiotic on Obama's part?  He's totally killing the hype of the VP because people have been waiting so long thinking its going to come any minute for the past week.  Now when it finally does come, its just going to be like, "Hmm, that's interesting." and then move on
Oh this is idiotic on Obama's part. I was fixing his grammar. :)


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Erc on August 22, 2008, 06:22:34 PM
At this point, it better not be one of Biden/Bayh/Kaine, or it'll be more than a bit anticlimactic.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Alcon on August 22, 2008, 06:23:22 PM
I think people here are overestimating how much rapt attention others are giving this...


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 22, 2008, 06:24:14 PM
I can't quite work out whether this delay is a stroke of genius or an awful, hubris-born error.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: JSojourner on August 22, 2008, 06:24:21 PM
I think people here are overestimating how much rapt attention others are giving this...

Possibly the most intelligent thing anyone has said about the whole matter.  WE care.  But most Americans are -- at best -- casually interested.



Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 06:25:05 PM
I'd be chill with Chet, and I think that he would generate a fair bit of buzz.  I think by November 99% of voters would know that he isn't John Edwards.  But yeah, I think Gore, Clinton's, Sebelius's, and Edward's stock goes up.

The big three are going to be a letdown by this point.

Edit:  Alcon, I've had the news on for the last few hours and they have had live feeds of the VPs' front doors nonstop pretty much.  They are talking about it every two seconds.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 22, 2008, 06:25:42 PM
I think people here are overestimating how much rapt attention others are giving this...

Possibly the most intelligent thing anyone has said about the whole matter.  WE care.  But most Americans are -- at best -- casually interested.
And there faint interest continues to wane as they wait


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Beet on August 22, 2008, 06:26:26 PM
I think people here are overestimating how much rapt attention others are giving this...

Possibly the most intelligent thing anyone has said about the whole matter.  WE care.  But most Americans are -- at best -- casually interested.



I am currently sitting in a building with a number of people who are interested in politics and they are all partying.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Sam Spade on August 22, 2008, 06:28:08 PM
I can't quite work out whether this delay is a stroke of genius or an awful, hubris-born error.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 06:52:38 PM
I think the longer he waits the more Bayh's chances decrease...

Sigh.  Time to do some chores.


in ten minutes.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: 12th Doctor on August 22, 2008, 06:53:50 PM
Well, kids, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that we won't know tonight.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: J. J. on August 22, 2008, 06:57:40 PM
Obama blew it.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 06:58:57 PM
Don't give up yet guys.  Biden just left his house.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: 12th Doctor on August 22, 2008, 07:01:52 PM

Seriously, if he drags this out any longer then he is gonna kill it.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 07:03:59 PM
BREAKING NEWS: MSNBC SAYS KAINE AND BAYH HAVE BEEN TOLD THEY ARE NOT THE PICK


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: War on Want on August 22, 2008, 07:04:39 PM
BREAKING NEWS: MSNBC SAYS THE KAINE AND BAYH HAVE BEEN TOLD THEY ARE NOT THE PICK
Really?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Alcon on August 22, 2008, 07:04:45 PM
I can't quite work out whether this delay is a stroke of genius or an awful, hubris-born error.


You guys are great!  No, seriously.  The only reason I'm even watching this on the Atlas is because I've been waiting for a chance to do laundry since noon.  I'm having trouble getting excited, and look how many freaking posts I have.

"Awful...error."  "Obama blew it."  How many permanent polling points did he just miss out on?  Five?  Ten?  Has his campaign died because he misses one day of non-questioning coverage?  No, sorry--because of a 24-hour delay, and potential slight smothering in the folds of the news cycle.

Meanwhile, America is mostly trying to decide between Burger King and McDonald's, and ready to set in for a weekend of pretending they already knew who Joe Biden/Evan Bayh/whoever was.  Is it a screw-up relative to what could have been?  Maybe.  And I guess in that sense he "blew it," but let's not seriously pretend we'll be thinking about this in a month.

That said, I'm 70% sure it's Biden.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 07:05:29 PM
BREAKING NEWS: MSNBC SAYS THE KAINE AND BAYH HAVE BEEN TOLD THEY ARE NOT THE PICK
Really?

Yes, it's on their BREAKING NEWS thingy right now if you turn on the TV.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 22, 2008, 07:06:05 PM
BREAKING NEWS: MSNBC SAYS THE KAINE AND BAYH HAVE BEEN TOLD THEY ARE NOT THE PICK
Really?

Yes!


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on August 22, 2008, 07:06:29 PM
Well, the chances of me being satisfied are over. If its Biden, my endorsement may be revoked. Im seriously pissed.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Sam Spade on August 22, 2008, 07:07:06 PM
BREAKING NEWS: MSNBC SAYS THE KAINE AND BAYH HAVE BEEN TOLD THEY ARE NOT THE PICK

Biden?  Or Wesley Clark?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Meeker on August 22, 2008, 07:07:28 PM
"Sources" are not necessarily that reliable.

Biden's chances grow by the minute in my book though.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 07:07:45 PM
it's down to Edwards and Biden most likely.

10% chance of Gore, Clinton, or Sebelius.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon on August 22, 2008, 07:09:19 PM
Well, the chances of me being satisfied are over. If its Biden, my endorsement may be revoked. Im seriously pissed.

Hmm... time for me to make a Liberals for McCain logo :)


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Math on August 22, 2008, 07:10:58 PM
"Sources" are not necessarily that reliable.

Really ?

() (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=93&u=11949248)


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on August 22, 2008, 07:12:05 PM
Well, the chances of me being satisfied are over. If its Biden, my endorsement may be revoked. Im seriously pissed.

Hmm... time for me to make a Liberals for McCain logo :)
If you think that McCains VP will be preferrable to me, youre crazy. ;) However, a Biden pick may lead me to....

()


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on August 22, 2008, 07:12:26 PM
If this is an anti-climax....


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 07:12:53 PM
Another chartered flight to Delaware has been added, I think.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N96DK

Not sure if I really understand what this means though, but Ambinder just posted it on Twitter.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Sbane on August 22, 2008, 07:15:31 PM
If we can trust MSNBC, then I have to say Biden is the one. I am very very thankful now that I did not sign up for the text message because I have a feeling they will bother a lot of people on the west coast by announcing around 12pm est. I will set my alarm for 11 and get up in time for the speech. Total surprise, should be good.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: J. J. on August 22, 2008, 07:15:56 PM
I can't quite work out whether this delay is a stroke of genius or an awful, hubris-born error.


You guys are great!  No, seriously.  The only reason I'm even watching this on the Atlas is because I've been waiting for a chance to do laundry since noon.  I'm having trouble getting excited, and look how many freaking posts I have.

"Awful...error."  "Obama blew it."  How many permanent polling points did he just miss out on?  Five?  Ten?  Has his campaign died because he misses one day of non-questioning coverage?  No, sorry--because of a 24-hour delay, and potential slight smothering in the folds of the news cycle.

Meanwhile, America is mostly trying to decide between Burger King and McDonald's, and ready to set in for a weekend of pretending they already knew who Joe Biden/Evan Bayh/whoever was.  Is it a screw-up relative to what could have been?  Maybe.  And I guess in that sense he "blew it," but let's not seriously pretend we'll be thinking about this in a month.

That said, I'm 70% sure it's Biden.

He had a chance for the national news on a week day.  He missed that chance.

I'll agree with your assessment of Biden, but he is an unexciting candidate and a potential loose cannon.  Bad move all the way around; we see if McCain can do better.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on August 22, 2008, 07:17:38 PM
I can't quite work out whether this delay is a stroke of genius or an awful, hubris-born error.


You guys are great!  No, seriously.  The only reason I'm even watching this on the Atlas is because I've been waiting for a chance to do laundry since noon.  I'm having trouble getting excited, and look how many freaking posts I have.

"Awful...error."  "Obama blew it."  How many permanent polling points did he just miss out on?  Five?  Ten?  Has his campaign died because he misses one day of non-questioning coverage?  No, sorry--because of a 24-hour delay, and potential slight smothering in the folds of the news cycle.

Meanwhile, America is mostly trying to decide between Burger King and McDonald's, and ready to set in for a weekend of pretending they already knew who Joe Biden/Evan Bayh/whoever was.  Is it a screw-up relative to what could have been?  Maybe.  And I guess in that sense he "blew it," but let's not seriously pretend we'll be thinking about this in a month.

That said, I'm 70% sure it's Biden.
I'll agree with your assessment of Biden, but he is an unexciting candidate and a potential loose cannon.  Bad move all the way around; we see if McCain can do better.
Not a task of incredible difficulty.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Beet on August 22, 2008, 07:17:59 PM
Another chartered flight to Delaware has been added, I think.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N96DK

Not sure if I really understand what this means though, but Ambinder just posted it on Twitter.

Biden must live in the boondocks of his state.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 22, 2008, 07:19:00 PM
Another chartered flight to Delaware has been added, I think.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N96DK

Not sure if I really understand what this means though, but Ambinder just posted it on Twitter.

Biden must live in the boondocks of his state.

He lives just outside of Wilmington.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Beet on August 22, 2008, 07:21:31 PM
Another chartered flight to Delaware has been added, I think.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N96DK

Not sure if I really understand what this means though, but Ambinder just posted it on Twitter.

Biden must live in the boondocks of his state.

He lives just outside of Wilmington.

And he is supposed to be coming from his house? I must be missing something.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: 12th Doctor on August 22, 2008, 07:26:53 PM

Exactly... unless Obama announces in an hour, this is a huge bust.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on August 22, 2008, 07:28:22 PM

Exactly... unless Obama announces in an hour, this is a huge bust.
Even if he does, if its Biden, its still mega anti-climax. That is painfully obvious even now, let alone 12 hours ago.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Beet on August 22, 2008, 07:34:20 PM
Quote
Late Friday, several officials said the text message announcement would be distributed Saturday morning, a few hours before a scheduled rally at the Old State Capitol in Springfield, Ill., where the Democratic ticket would appear for the first time.

Go out and enjoy your youth, whipper snappers.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: J. J. on August 22, 2008, 07:36:14 PM
The Obama campaign has chosen one of the worst possible methods for choosing a VP candidate and Obama, possibly, has chosen the worst of the top tier candidates.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: 12th Doctor on August 22, 2008, 07:42:04 PM
Wow... they seriously aren't announcing tonight... mondo epic fail.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Math on August 22, 2008, 07:42:39 PM
Hum, the French Wikipedia already (and falesly) announces Bayh...

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_Bayh




Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: 12th Doctor on August 22, 2008, 07:43:24 PM
This is the biggest VP epic fail since Eagleton.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 22, 2008, 07:44:31 PM
Hum, the French Wikipedia already (and falesly) announces Bayh...

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_Bayh


While it is the 23rd in France, it's still the 22nd in the US.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 22, 2008, 07:45:33 PM
I can't quite work out whether this delay is a stroke of genius or an awful, hubris-born error.


You guys are great!  No, seriously.  The only reason I'm even watching this on the Atlas is because I've been waiting for a chance to do laundry since noon.  I'm having trouble getting excited, and look how many freaking posts I have.

"Awful...error."  "Obama blew it."  How many permanent polling points did he just miss out on?  Five?  Ten?  Has his campaign died because he misses one day of non-questioning coverage?  No, sorry--because of a 24-hour delay, and potential slight smothering in the folds of the news cycle.

Meanwhile, America is mostly trying to decide between Burger King and McDonald's, and ready to set in for a weekend of pretending they already knew who Joe Biden/Evan Bayh/whoever was.  Is it a screw-up relative to what could have been?  Maybe.  And I guess in that sense he "blew it," but let's not seriously pretend we'll be thinking about this in a month.

That said, I'm 70% sure it's Biden.

I'm not quite making the argument that you think I am. It's not that I think that many people will be angry (or waiting in raptured anticipation; my point was double-edged). Both candidates are where they are today because of media hype and goodwill (it's not a coincidence that both fit nicely into feelgood storylines (or "lies", if you like things blunter) about defeating the legacy of official racism and Vietnam that the American media so obviously wants to peddle. I cite as proof the fact that McCain still has a career post-Keating and that Obama's balloon wasn't burst by associations with the Daley machine and that dodgy Rezko fellow; things that would have destroyed a candidate running on Hope And Change platform without the goodwill of the media, regardless of how far or not any insinuations relating to those associations might be...). That's all.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 07:51:20 PM
Source: text will be sent tomorrow am, a few hrs before Obama speaks in Springfield.
-Ambinder


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 07:52:24 PM
Robert Gibbs cancels network morning appearances...


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 22, 2008, 07:58:52 PM
Who be Robert Gibbs [kveyshtun marcke]


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 22, 2008, 08:03:44 PM
Here's the story on Bayh and Kaine:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/22/1285183.aspx

Quote
As reported in her Nightly News spot, Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh and Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine, according to sources, were told they're out of the running.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on August 22, 2008, 08:04:11 PM
Who be Robert Gibbs [kveyshtun marcke]

Obama's communications director.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 08:13:36 PM

And the #3 person in his campaign.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Reluctant Republican on August 22, 2008, 08:14:14 PM
FOX is also reporting about Kaine not being the pick at least.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: J. J. on August 22, 2008, 08:17:01 PM
That explains pulling out of Va.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: YRABNNRM on August 22, 2008, 08:23:25 PM
I can't believe this is still under wraps.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on August 22, 2008, 08:27:15 PM
I can't believe this is still under wraps.
If its Biden, they can cut it out now, its over. Really.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: YRABNNRM on August 22, 2008, 08:28:22 PM
I can't believe this is still under wraps.
If its Biden, they can cut it out now, its over. Really.

Still though, the fact that there hasn't been some huge break is incredible.

Even in 2004, we had the reports of Edwards cutting his Disney World vacation short to meet with Kerry a few days earlier.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Sbane on August 22, 2008, 08:30:01 PM
I can't believe this is still under wraps.
If its Biden, they can cut it out now, its over. Really.

What's up with your hate of Biden? As long as he doesn't make a gaffe till November, he is an excellent choice who helps Obama with older democrats.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on August 22, 2008, 08:32:10 PM
I can't believe this is still under wraps.
If its Biden, they can cut it out now, its over. Really.

What's up with your hate of Biden? As long as he doesn't make a gaffe till November, he is an excellent choice who helps Obama with older democrats.
.....No, I mean if its Biden theres no point of hiding cause everyone is already sure it is him. I do hate him though.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Sbane on August 22, 2008, 08:32:50 PM
I can't believe this is still under wraps.
If its Biden, they can cut it out now, its over. Really.

What's up with your hate of Biden? As long as he doesn't make a gaffe till November, he is an excellent choice who helps Obama with older democrats.
I do hate him though.

Why?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 22, 2008, 08:33:47 PM
Still though, the fact that there hasn't been some huge break is incredible.

I don't know; to a large extent the success of the Obama campaign has come from its skill at media manipulation and so on. In it's own way it's impressive though.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on August 22, 2008, 08:35:08 PM
I can't believe this is still under wraps.
If its Biden, they can cut it out now, its over. Really.

What's up with your hate of Biden? As long as he doesn't make a gaffe till November, he is an excellent choice who helps Obama with older democrats.
I do hate him though.

Why?
I dont trust him to not gaffe......on the trail or in international work. I dont think he brings anything really, so Id be more mad at Obama than Biden.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: YRABNNRM on August 22, 2008, 08:35:44 PM
I can't believe this is still under wraps.
If its Biden, they can cut it out now, its over. Really.

What's up with your hate of Biden? As long as he doesn't make a gaffe till November, he is an excellent choice who helps Obama with older democrats.
I do hate him though.

Why?
I dont trust him to not gaffe......on the trail or in international work. I dont think he brings anything really, so Id be more mad at Obama than Biden.

You'd rather have Bayh?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 22, 2008, 08:36:38 PM
Still though, the fact that there hasn't been some huge break is incredible.

I don't know; to a large extent the success of the Obama campaign has come from its skill at media manipulation and so on. In it's own way it's impressive though.

Well, Biden is at 75% on InTrade.


I can't believe this is still under wraps.
If its Biden, they can cut it out now, its over. Really.

What's up with your hate of Biden? As long as he doesn't make a gaffe till November, he is an excellent choice who helps Obama with older democrats.
I do hate him though.

Why?
I dont trust him to not gaffe......on the trail or in international work. I dont think he brings anything really, so Id be more mad at Obama than Biden.

You'd rather have Bayh?

I wonder if all of this talk about Bayh was just to have Biden look really good in comparison.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 22, 2008, 08:38:12 PM

That's an interwebs gambling thing, isn't it? Do people who work on campaigns often bet on it?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on August 22, 2008, 08:38:43 PM
I can't believe this is still under wraps.
If its Biden, they can cut it out now, its over. Really.

What's up with your hate of Biden? As long as he doesn't make a gaffe till November, he is an excellent choice who helps Obama with older democrats.
I do hate him though.

Why?
I dont trust him to not gaffe......on the trail or in international work. I dont think he brings anything really, so Id be more mad at Obama than Biden.

You'd rather have Bayh?
By quite a bit, he looks and acts more professional and is more centrist, and at least Indiana might matter, PA and DE were most likely in the bag already.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Sbane on August 22, 2008, 08:41:21 PM
I can't believe this is still under wraps.
If its Biden, they can cut it out now, its over. Really.

What's up with your hate of Biden? As long as he doesn't make a gaffe till November, he is an excellent choice who helps Obama with older democrats.
I do hate him though.

Why?
I dont trust him to not gaffe......on the trail or in international work. I dont think he brings anything really, so Id be more mad at Obama than Biden.

And what do Bayh or Kaine bring? Bayh will certainly not swing Indiana enough to bring it to Obama's column and Kaine will reinforce the inexperienced tag on Obama. Kaine could help secure VA but could end up losing some other critical states for us. I think Hillary would be the best choice to win the election but she would be a poor VP. Way too much conflict with Bill and Hill running around the white house.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: J. J. on August 22, 2008, 08:42:22 PM
I can't believe this is still under wraps.
If its Biden, they can cut it out now, its over. Really.

What's up with your hate of Biden? As long as he doesn't make a gaffe till November, he is an excellent choice who helps Obama with older democrats.
I do hate him though.

Why?
I dont trust him to not gaffe......on the trail or in international work. I dont think he brings anything really, so Id be more mad at Obama than Biden.

You'd rather have Bayh?
By quite a bit, he looks and acts more professional and is more centrist, and at least Indiana might matter, PA and DE were most likely in the bag already.

PA isn't, yet.  In a word, Ridge.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on August 22, 2008, 08:42:48 PM
I can't believe this is still under wraps.
If its Biden, they can cut it out now, its over. Really.

What's up with your hate of Biden? As long as he doesn't make a gaffe till November, he is an excellent choice who helps Obama with older democrats.
I do hate him though.

Why?
I dont trust him to not gaffe......on the trail or in international work. I dont think he brings anything really, so Id be more mad at Obama than Biden.

And what do Bayh or Kaine bring? Bayh will certainly not swing Indiana enough to bring it to Obama's column and Kaine will reinforce the inexperienced tag on Obama. Kaine could help secure VA but could end up losing some other critical states for us. I think Hillary would be the best choice to win the election but she would be a poor VP. Way too much conflict with Bill and Hill running around the white house.
I never really wanted Kaine for that exact reason. Bayh has a nationwide appeal really, brings youth and experience with a centrist message.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: NOVA Green on August 22, 2008, 08:43:06 PM
CNN "Breaking News"--- Obama will announce the VP via text message tomorrow.

This has pretty much been what the consensus has been on this thread for a few hours, but at least it's "official" now.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Sbane on August 22, 2008, 08:44:38 PM
I can't believe this is still under wraps.
If its Biden, they can cut it out now, its over. Really.

What's up with your hate of Biden? As long as he doesn't make a gaffe till November, he is an excellent choice who helps Obama with older democrats.
I do hate him though.

Why?
I dont trust him to not gaffe......on the trail or in international work. I dont think he brings anything really, so Id be more mad at Obama than Biden.

And what do Bayh or Kaine bring? Bayh will certainly not swing Indiana enough to bring it to Obama's column and Kaine will reinforce the inexperienced tag on Obama. Kaine could help secure VA but could end up losing some other critical states for us. I think Hillary would be the best choice to win the election but she would be a poor VP. Way too much conflict with Bill and Hill running around the white house.
I never really wanted Kaine for that exact reason. Bayh has a nationwide appeal really, brings youth and experience with a centrist message.

Bayh wouldn't be a bad pick except he's kinda boring. Other than that he would be the shot of Americana Obama needs. I just think Biden can provide that as well.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on August 22, 2008, 08:45:16 PM
I can't believe this is still under wraps.
If its Biden, they can cut it out now, its over. Really.

What's up with your hate of Biden? As long as he doesn't make a gaffe till November, he is an excellent choice who helps Obama with older democrats.
I do hate him though.

Why?
I dont trust him to not gaffe......on the trail or in international work. I dont think he brings anything really, so Id be more mad at Obama than Biden.

And what do Bayh or Kaine bring? Bayh will certainly not swing Indiana enough to bring it to Obama's column and Kaine will reinforce the inexperienced tag on Obama. Kaine could help secure VA but could end up losing some other critical states for us. I think Hillary would be the best choice to win the election but she would be a poor VP. Way too much conflict with Bill and Hill running around the white house.
I never really wanted Kaine for that exact reason. Bayh has a nationwide appeal really, brings youth and experience with a centrist message.

Bayh wouldn't be a bad pick except he's kinda boring. Other than that he would be the shot of Americana Obama needs. I just think Biden can provide that as well.
I dunno....theres just something about him....


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Beet on August 22, 2008, 08:48:08 PM
Biden's biggest weakness is that he is kind of like John Kerry. He has a fantastic resume, but he's also just another DC, blue state Democratic Senator.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: YRABNNRM on August 22, 2008, 08:48:19 PM
I can't believe this is still under wraps.
If its Biden, they can cut it out now, its over. Really.

What's up with your hate of Biden? As long as he doesn't make a gaffe till November, he is an excellent choice who helps Obama with older democrats.
I do hate him though.

Why?
I dont trust him to not gaffe......on the trail or in international work. I dont think he brings anything really, so Id be more mad at Obama than Biden.

And what do Bayh or Kaine bring? Bayh will certainly not swing Indiana enough to bring it to Obama's column and Kaine will reinforce the inexperienced tag on Obama. Kaine could help secure VA but could end up losing some other critical states for us. I think Hillary would be the best choice to win the election but she would be a poor VP. Way too much conflict with Bill and Hill running around the white house.
I never really wanted Kaine for that exact reason. Bayh has a nationwide appeal really, brings youth and experience with a centrist message.

Bayh wouldn't be a bad pick except he's kinda boring. Other than that he would be the shot of Americana Obama needs. I just think Biden can provide that as well.
I dunno....theres just something about him....

And that's why you "hate" him?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 22, 2008, 08:49:52 PM
Fox News resports that Virginia Governor Tim Kaine will not be Obama's Vice Presidential candidate. My bet is on Biden at this point to get it since that is the case. Bayh is still in the running though


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on August 22, 2008, 08:50:14 PM
If indeed the plane from Chicago to Wilmington was for Biden - then it's SO SO stupid to wait until morning to announce it.

Why build the suspense.... then drop a great big clunking clue.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 22, 2008, 08:51:18 PM
VP Annoucement = Epic Fail (and I think that term itself is an epic fail)

If its anyone but Biden 99% of the country will be shocked


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 22, 2008, 08:53:27 PM
Of course this could be done to throw us all off so he can pick someone like Jack Reed or Chet Edwards.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 22, 2008, 08:54:18 PM
Of course this could be done to throw us all off so he can pick someone like Jack Reed or Chet Edwards.

Yeah, it's going to be rather anti-climatic if he picks Biden after all of this. On the other hand, if it's Gore, he could drag it out for another couple of days.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: YRABNNRM on August 22, 2008, 08:55:00 PM
Of course this could be done to throw us all off so he can pick someone like Jack Reed or Chet Edwards.

And watch the disapointment should that happen...


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Speed of Sound on August 22, 2008, 08:56:20 PM
I can't believe this is still under wraps.
If its Biden, they can cut it out now, its over. Really.

What's up with your hate of Biden? As long as he doesn't make a gaffe till November, he is an excellent choice who helps Obama with older democrats.
I do hate him though.

Why?
I dont trust him to not gaffe......on the trail or in international work. I dont think he brings anything really, so Id be more mad at Obama than Biden.

And what do Bayh or Kaine bring? Bayh will certainly not swing Indiana enough to bring it to Obama's column and Kaine will reinforce the inexperienced tag on Obama. Kaine could help secure VA but could end up losing some other critical states for us. I think Hillary would be the best choice to win the election but she would be a poor VP. Way too much conflict with Bill and Hill running around the white house.
I never really wanted Kaine for that exact reason. Bayh has a nationwide appeal really, brings youth and experience with a centrist message.

Bayh wouldn't be a bad pick except he's kinda boring. Other than that he would be the shot of Americana Obama needs. I just think Biden can provide that as well.
I dunno....theres just something about him....

And that's why you "hate" him?
As a VP pick? Yes. He can chill in the senate forever for all I care.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 22, 2008, 08:58:33 PM
Of course this could be done to throw us all off so he can pick someone like Jack Reed or Chet Edwards.

And watch the disapointment should that happen...


I think that no matter who gets picked someone will be disappointed especially the very committed Hillary people.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: YRABNNRM on August 22, 2008, 09:03:18 PM
Of course this could be done to throw us all off so he can pick someone like Jack Reed or Chet Edwards.

And watch the disapointment should that happen...


I think that no matter who gets picked someone will be disappointed especially the very committed Hillary people.

Well the very committed Hillary people are already disappointed; they'll just use it as another excuse.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: YRABNNRM on August 22, 2008, 09:08:03 PM
Quote
Obama associates have told AP they "believed Biden was the choice, though they cautioned they had not been told directly."
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12710.html


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 09:13:24 PM
This one is big, from Ambinder :)

Pool press shouts to Obama in Chicago: "how does Obama-Biden" sound? Obama gives half-smirtk.

All the press corps thinks it's Biden but won't pull the trigger. No need to get this one wrong.

And again repeats that the text will occur a few hours before noon Central Time, according to a campaign official.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Historia Crux on August 22, 2008, 09:14:21 PM
I'm watching CNN and they said that Bayh wouldn't be the VP for Obama, so Kaine and Bayh are out and Biden and the new face Chet Edwards are in the running.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: WalterMitty on August 22, 2008, 09:16:54 PM
i cant believe i waited all day for joe f'ing biden.

by the way, fun fact about biden....according to pat caddell, who is certified nuts these days, biden seriously considered joining the *1984* race for president.  he was on vacation the week of the nh filing deadline but left a signed application with caddell to file if he (biden) was to call and tell him to do so.

in other words, this guy is sooooo yesterday.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 09:17:46 PM
He ran for president in 88 too.

Chet certainly sounded very humble about the idea of not being picked.  What if Chet is just a decoy so that Kaine/Bayh can be eliminated but Biden will still possess some surprise?  Why would they eliminate Kaine and Bayh but not Biden?  Surely if it was going to be someone besides Biden, it'd be better to use Bayh as the decoy, right?  Biden is a lot less controlled!


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 22, 2008, 09:18:00 PM
i cant believe i waited all day for joe f'ing biden.

by the way, fun fact about biden....according to pat caddell, who is certified nuts these days, biden seriously considered joining the *1984* race for president.  he was on vacation the week of the nh filing deadline but left a signed application with caddell to file if he (biden) was to call and tell him to do so.

in other words, this guy is sooooo yesterday.

He's still 6 years younger than McCain.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: WalterMitty on August 22, 2008, 09:20:33 PM

yes i know.  that was somewhat understandable.

but the fact that he seriously thought of running against reagan as a young nobody in 84.  the height of arrogance, if you ask me.

then again, he beat an incumbent senator as a 29 year old nobody.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Nym90 on August 22, 2008, 09:43:38 PM

yes i know.  that was somewhat understandable.

but the fact that he seriously thought of running against reagan as a young nobody in 84.  the height of arrogance, if you ask me.

then again, he beat an incumbent senator as a 29 year old nobody.

Yeah, he only had 12 years in the Senate at the time....far too little experience to be elected President. ;)

Heck, if he were Obama, he could've run in 1976 if it weren't for that pesky fact that he wasn't legally old enough yet.

But the fact that he got elected to the Senate technically before he was even eligible is pretty amazing (I'm assuming he turned 30 before January 3).

I turn 30 on December 30 this year; I should've mounted my primary challenge to Levin. ;)


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: ChrisFromNJ on August 22, 2008, 09:49:28 PM

No it doesn't.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: WalterMitty on August 22, 2008, 10:00:06 PM

yes i know.  that was somewhat understandable.

but the fact that he seriously thought of running against reagan as a young nobody in 84.  the height of arrogance, if you ask me.

then again, he beat an incumbent senator as a 29 year old nobody.

Yeah, he only had 12 years in the Senate at the time....far too little experience to be elected President. ;)

Heck, if he were Obama, he could've run in 1976 if it weren't for that pesky fact that he wasn't legally old enough yet.

But the fact that he got elected to the Senate technically before he was even eligible is pretty amazing (I'm assuming he turned 30 before January 3).

I turn 30 on December 30 this year; I should've mounted my primary challenge to Levin. ;)

im 31.  kerry better be glad i gave him a pass this year.  :)

as for biden, im reading through his political positions.  he really isnt too bad.  i like that he supports affirmative action and he received an 'f' from the nra.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Nym90 on August 22, 2008, 10:07:00 PM

yes i know.  that was somewhat understandable.

but the fact that he seriously thought of running against reagan as a young nobody in 84.  the height of arrogance, if you ask me.

then again, he beat an incumbent senator as a 29 year old nobody.

Yeah, he only had 12 years in the Senate at the time....far too little experience to be elected President. ;)

Heck, if he were Obama, he could've run in 1976 if it weren't for that pesky fact that he wasn't legally old enough yet.

But the fact that he got elected to the Senate technically before he was even eligible is pretty amazing (I'm assuming he turned 30 before January 3).

I turn 30 on December 30 this year; I should've mounted my primary challenge to Levin. ;)

im 31.  kerry better be glad i gave him a pass this year.  :)

as for biden, im reading through his political positions.  he really isnt too bad.  i like that he supports affirmative action and he received an 'f' from the nra.

Yes, getting an F from any organization that is designed to protect the interests of one particular slice of the corporate community is generally a good thing.

I'm all for socioeconomic affirmative action (and annoyed that no one has the balls to propose this instead of race-based AA....I challenge anyone to honestly argue that a rich black deserves preference over a poor white....).


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Kevin on August 22, 2008, 10:13:32 PM
I have a feeling whoever is selected it's going to be someone completely and totally out of the blue, just another trick Obama will be pulling out of his top hat.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Nym90 on August 22, 2008, 10:15:19 PM
I have a feeling whoever is selected it's going to be someone completely and totally out of the blue, just another trick Obama will be pulling out of his top hat.

So you're thinking Chet Edwards?

He'd certainly be interesting. Be a bit of a poke in the eye to Bush to pick his Congressman as your VP, that's for sure.....and this fact might help keep Bush in the news, which is never a bad thing for Obama.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Kevin on August 22, 2008, 10:18:45 PM
I have a feeling whoever is selected it's going to be someone completely and totally out of the blue, just another trick Obama will be pulling out of his top hat.

So you're thinking Chet Edwards?

He'd certainly be interesting. Be a bit of a poke in the eye to Bush to pick his Congressman as your VP, that's for sure.....and this fact might help keep Bush in the news, which is never a bad thing for Obama.

I was actually thinking someone more like Ed Rendell or Gen. Anthony Zinni actually. 


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 22, 2008, 10:20:25 PM
I think that we won't be getting a Wow factor out of Obama's choice. All the spin was with Bayh and Kaine and Biden was never in the running till two weeks ago. How anti-climatic, thats as mich of a wow as we are going to get. He still could pick Chet Edwards or Jack Reed but I doubt it. 


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Nym90 on August 22, 2008, 10:28:02 PM
I have a feeling whoever is selected it's going to be someone completely and totally out of the blue, just another trick Obama will be pulling out of his top hat.

So you're thinking Chet Edwards?

He'd certainly be interesting. Be a bit of a poke in the eye to Bush to pick his Congressman as your VP, that's for sure.....and this fact might help keep Bush in the news, which is never a bad thing for Obama.

I was actually thinking someone more like Ed Rendell or Gen. Anthony Zinni actually. 

Rendell actually wouldn't be bad either. Attack dog, executive experience, strong Clinton supporter so helps unify the party. Probably takes Pennsylvania off the table (unless McCain picks Ridge).

Lack of foreign policy experience is his largest negative.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Flying Dog on August 22, 2008, 10:30:06 PM
I have a feeling whoever is selected it's going to be someone completely and totally out of the blue, just another trick Obama will be pulling out of his top hat.

So you're thinking Chet Edwards?

He'd certainly be interesting. Be a bit of a poke in the eye to Bush to pick his Congressman as your VP, that's for sure.....and this fact might help keep Bush in the news, which is never a bad thing for Obama.

I was actually thinking someone more like Ed Rendell or Gen. Anthony Zinni actually. 

Rendell actually wouldn't be bad either. Attack dog, executive experience, strong Clinton supporter so helps unify the party. Probably takes Pennsylvania off the table (unless McCain picks Ridge).

Lack of foreign policy experience is his largest negative.

'Cept he kind of oozes slime when you look at him. He and Obama don't mesh well.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Historia Crux on August 22, 2008, 10:30:39 PM
I would like to see Chet Edwards get picked for at least that WOW factor instead of that "Kaine is not Obama's VP, Bayh is not Obama's VP so it's Biden for VP by default, wow!" that's very anti - climatic, maybe there's a reason Chet Edward's name got raised right now? :)

Also Ed Rendell would make a good choice for VP as well but wouldn't bring in the Foreign Policy on the ticket but it would at least a try to coalesce the party.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: WalterMitty on August 22, 2008, 10:31:11 PM
i like rendell.  i just dont particularly like him serving in a government office.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: NOVA Green on August 22, 2008, 10:32:14 PM

I don't think that he's totally pulling out of all of these states, but rather suspending his advertising while he takes advantage of free media coverage during the convention, and then resuming coverage in some of these states depending on what his internals tell him.

How much would Kaine have really helped his numbers in Virginia anyways, unlike Bayh who would have definitely thrown Indiana closer to a toss-up.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 22, 2008, 10:39:22 PM

I don't think that he's totally pulling out of all of these states, but rather suspending his advertising while he takes advantage of free media coverage during the convention, and then resuming coverage in some of these states depending on what his internals tell him.

How much would Kaine have really helped his numbers in Virginia anyways, unlike Bayh who would have definitely thrown Indiana closer to a toss-up.

Not that much. He has been a bit partisan and his approvals, while above 50%, are only just above 50 so he wouldn't be much help. If this was Mark Warner we were talking about then yes Virginia would be a sure win for Obama.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on August 22, 2008, 10:43:23 PM
I still don't get the point (if the plane is for him) of going to ALL this trouble to avoid letting it slip - then do something SO conspicuous


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 10:44:45 PM
Clinton has been told she's not the VP
CNN ticker

 (CNN) – Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Senator Barack Obama has ruled out Senator Hillary Clinton as his vice presidential running mate, a senior Democratic official told CNN on Friday night.

Clinton — Obama's main rival during the primary season — has been informed by Obama's campaign that she is not his choice to be his vice presidential candidate, the source said.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Nym90 on August 22, 2008, 10:45:37 PM
I have a feeling whoever is selected it's going to be someone completely and totally out of the blue, just another trick Obama will be pulling out of his top hat.

So you're thinking Chet Edwards?

He'd certainly be interesting. Be a bit of a poke in the eye to Bush to pick his Congressman as your VP, that's for sure.....and this fact might help keep Bush in the news, which is never a bad thing for Obama.

I was actually thinking someone more like Ed Rendell or Gen. Anthony Zinni actually. 

Rendell actually wouldn't be bad either. Attack dog, executive experience, strong Clinton supporter so helps unify the party. Probably takes Pennsylvania off the table (unless McCain picks Ridge).

Lack of foreign policy experience is his largest negative.

'Cept he kind of oozes slime when you look at him. He and Obama don't mesh well.

Well, those types of people tend to be the most successful politicians....


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Nym90 on August 22, 2008, 10:47:15 PM

I don't think that he's totally pulling out of all of these states, but rather suspending his advertising while he takes advantage of free media coverage during the convention, and then resuming coverage in some of these states depending on what his internals tell him.

How much would Kaine have really helped his numbers in Virginia anyways, unlike Bayh who would have definitely thrown Indiana closer to a toss-up.

I would think Mark Warner's keynote address will get plenty of free media attention in Virginia. Anything more in the form of advertising may be overload at this point and a waste of money.

If he's dropped out of Virginia for the duration, that'd indeed be dumb.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: J. J. on August 22, 2008, 10:51:44 PM

Yes, it does.  There will be de-emphasis south of the Potomac.  The race will be in these states:  MI, OH, PA, NM, NH, CO.  Depending on the GOP Veep choice, PA might be de-emphasized.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 10:53:40 PM
Kaine would have little impact in Virginia.  Obama has been polling consistently competitive there, I think you are seriously misreading this.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Nym90 on August 22, 2008, 10:58:16 PM

Yes, it does.  There will be de-emphasis south of the Potomac.  The race will be in these states:  MI, OH, PA, NM, NH, CO.  Depending on the GOP Veep choice, PA might be de-emphasized.

That'd be bad news for Obama, who would need to win 5 out of 6.

Not sure what VP choice would deemphasize Pennsylvania other than Rendell. Sure, Ridge would bump McCain about a point in PA (though he probably hurts in the T), but it'd still be very much a swing state, still leaning slightly Dem relative to the national average.

Obama's making a big mistake if he's truly giving up on VA. Not that he needs it to win, but he's cutting it awfully close if he's putting all his chips on the Kerry states plus IA/NM/CO as his only victory scenario for winning without Ohio.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: The Mikado on August 22, 2008, 11:00:20 PM

Yes, it does.  There will be de-emphasis south of the Potomac.  The race will be in these states:  MI, OH, PA, NM, NH, CO.  Depending on the GOP Veep choice, PA might be de-emphasized.

VA's been polling dead even, and it has enough electoral votes to really matter.  I agree that he's pulling out of most of the South, including NC and (thank God, finally) GA, and will probably only make token flirtations to Florida, but he's not giving up on the Old Dominion.  Not yet, anyway.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: NOVA Green on August 22, 2008, 11:03:46 PM

Yes, it does.  There will be de-emphasis south of the Potomac.  The race will be in these states:  MI, OH, PA, NM, NH, CO.  Depending on the GOP Veep choice, PA might be de-emphasized.

That'd be bad news for Obama, who would need to win 5 out of 6.

Not sure what VP choice would deemphasize Pennsylvania other than Rendell. Sure, Ridge would bump McCain about a point in PA (though he probably hurts in the T), but it'd still be very much a swing state, still leaning slightly Dem relative to the national average.

Obama's making a big mistake if he's truly giving up on VA. Not that he needs it to win, but he's cutting it awfully close if he's putting all his chips on the Kerry states plus IA/NM/CO as his only victory scenario for winning without Ohio.

Considering that it is one of his 3 or 4 potential paths to 270 it would be stupid to pull out of VA so early. Plus, as long as he keeps it competitive it will force McCain to spend money in the expensive DC media market in September when he will be stuck with public financing.

I haven't totally given up on Florida yet, some pundits are predicting that Biden will help there, but we'll have to wait until after the conventions to determine if it is worth throwing all of this money into that state.



Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Beet on August 22, 2008, 11:07:14 PM
Last month he was spending $1 million in Georgia, this week he's pulling out of Virginia... yeah right. I do not buy these sudden, schiziophrenic swings from one extreme to the other.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Politico on August 22, 2008, 11:09:12 PM
Gore's the one.

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"Obviously, the most important question is: Is this person ready to be president? Can this person help me govern? Are they going to be an effective partner in creating the kind of economic opportunity here at home and guiding us through some dangerous waters internationally? I want somebody who is going to be able to challenge my thinking and not simply be a yes person when it comes to policymaking."

- Obama


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: exopolitician on August 22, 2008, 11:11:09 PM
Gore's the one.

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"Obviously, the most important question is: Is this person ready to be president? Can this person help me govern? Are they going to be an effective partner in creating the kind of economic opportunity here at home and guiding us through some dangerous waters internationally? I want somebody who is going to be able to challenge my thinking and not simply be a yes person when it comes to policymaking."

- Obama


Honestly...I dont see why people would be excited if it somehow was Gore...and I dont know why he'd accept in the first place after being Vice-President once already and failed to win the 2000 Presidential Election.

Just...no.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Politico on August 22, 2008, 11:13:34 PM
Gore's the one.

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"Obviously, the most important question is: Is this person ready to be president? Can this person help me govern? Are they going to be an effective partner in creating the kind of economic opportunity here at home and guiding us through some dangerous waters internationally? I want somebody who is going to be able to challenge my thinking and not simply be a yes person when it comes to policymaking."

- Obama


Honestly...I dont see why people would be excited if it somehow was Gore...and I dont know why he'd accept in the first place after being Vice-President once already and failed to win the 2000 Presidential Election.

Just...no.

Watch this video to see why people will be excited that it is Gore:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lmeJaKZwHI

Why will Obama choose Gore? Because Obama needs Gore's experience and broad appeal to Dean Demcorats, Clinton Democrats and Lieberman Democrats alike. Why has Gore accepted? Because Gore knows that we need the change that only Obama will provide, and because he knows being his running mate will help him. It helps that if something happens to Obama, Gore will become president, a role he has always desired and no doubt still desires.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 11:14:00 PM
I think Gore would get people pretty excited - especially the media and everyone getting the text messages.  He's Obama's last ace up the sleeve I think. 

But there is no indication that Gore wants the job (he says he doesn't) or that said quote represents anything  uniquely Gorely.   Also, Gore doesn't really fit into the convention day's theme of national security and veteran's affairs.

That quote has been posted a few times in this thread already.  If anything, the quote points towards Chet Edwdards.

It's still 80%+ likely to be Biden at this point.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 22, 2008, 11:14:54 PM
Here's a big one:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/08/us-secret-servi.html

Quote
The United States Secret Service has dispatched a protective detail to assume the immediate protection of Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., a source tells ABC News, indicating in all likelihood that Biden has been officially notified that Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, has selected him to be his running mate.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: NOVA Green on August 22, 2008, 11:15:42 PM
Last month he was spending $1 million in Georgia, this week he's pulling out of Virginia... yeah right. I do not buy these sudden, schiziophrenic swings from one extreme to the other.

Again, why are so many of you convinces that he is "pulling out" of Virginia?

He is simply "suspending" his ads in multiple states during the convention, and may possibly resume advertising once the convention is over in some of these.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: HardRCafé on August 22, 2008, 11:15:47 PM

Have you ever posted about anything other than Gore?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 22, 2008, 11:20:02 PM
Here's a big one:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/08/us-secret-servi.html

Quote
The United States Secret Service has dispatched a protective detail to assume the immediate protection of Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., a source tells ABC News, indicating in all likelihood that Biden has been officially notified that Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, has selected him to be his running mate.


Why couldn't Obama announce him this evening?  He already started telling the other VP's.

I wonder if there were some complications, possibly indicated by the Obama campaign's mixed messages and Gibb's scheduled and then canceled early morning shows tomorrow.

Now I don't even care about the text message.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Sam Spade on August 22, 2008, 11:22:56 PM
Picking Biden means that the obvious counter is that McCain will pick Romney.

Talk about an "a-hole" debate.  That would be quite entertaining, actually.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Conan on August 22, 2008, 11:28:12 PM
Picking Biden means that the obvious counter is that McCain will pick Romney.

Talk about an "a-hole" debate.  That would be quite entertaining, actually.
Biden performed pretty well in the primary debates.......he even won a few according to the media. And I never thought Biden qualified as an a-hole? He's not very arrogant and snipey like Romney is.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Flying Dog on August 22, 2008, 11:28:46 PM
Picking Biden means that the obvious counter is that McCain will pick Romney.

Talk about an "a-hole" debate.  That would be quite entertaining, actually.

True. That's two real a$$holes. It's going to be a fun and muddy fall. :D


Oh, and my personal view was that Obama needed an a-hole, so right on.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: NOVA Green on August 22, 2008, 11:29:48 PM
Secret Service is being openly dispatched to Biden's home and is already secretly protecting the real running mate, who is already in Illinois.

Link?


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Politico on August 22, 2008, 11:32:45 PM
Secret Service is being openly dispatched to Biden's home and is already secretly protecting the real running mate, who is already in Illinois.

Link?

Link? Maybe it's the actual truth, maybe it's not. Maybe it's just a theory...

Your guess is as good as mine. I like to think that the secret service is more secretive than they're appearing right now.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: TheresNoMoney on August 22, 2008, 11:36:34 PM
Biden is a really good pick. He's been my choice for Obama's VP for months now.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: MAS117 on August 22, 2008, 11:37:38 PM
Secret Service is being openly dispatched to Biden's home and is already secretly protecting the real running mate, who is already in Illinois.

Link?

U.S. Secret Service on Way to Biden's House; Kaine and Bayh Told Nope on Veep

August 22, 2008 10:50 PM

The United States Secret Service has dispatched a protective detail to assume the immediate protection of Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., a source tells ABC News, indicating in all likelihood that Biden has been officially notified that Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, has selected him to be his running mate.

Sources also tell ABC News that two others said to be finalists for the position of Obama's running mate -- Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., and Virginia Gov Tim Kaine -- have been told they have not been selected for the vice presidential slot.

Kaine flew to Denver earlier today, is in Denver tonight and has no plans to leave in the next 24 hours. Bayh is at his Washington, DC, home with his family.

Biden was last seen minutes ago at his Wilmington estate where his extended brood is gathering.

The Obama campaign would not comment, but Obama mentioned Biden twice in speeches on the trail this week, both times heralding his legislative leadersip in East Asia.

At the VFW convention in Orlando, Florida, on Tuesday, Obama said, "we must help Georgia rebuild that which has been destroyed. That is why I’m proud to join my friend, Senator Joe Biden, in calling for an additional $1 billion in reconstruction assistance for the people of Georgia."

And in Chesapeake, Virginia, Friday night, Obama heralded Biden's efforts to provide economic assistance to Afghanistan.

"I joined with people like Joe Biden to increase a billion dollars of investment," he said.

-- ABC News' Ann Compton, Matt Jaffe, Jay Shaylor, and Jake Tapper


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Erc on August 22, 2008, 11:42:05 PM
Secret Service is being openly dispatched to Biden's home and is already secretly protecting the real running mate, who is already in Illinois.

The Secret Service are a serious government agency.  Unless they had reason to believe there was an imminent threat on Biden, they wouldn't go to protect him on a lark from Obama.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 22, 2008, 11:42:31 PM
Secret Service is being openly dispatched to Biden's home and is already secretly protecting the real running mate, who is already in Illinois.

Link?

U.S. Secret Service on Way to Biden's House; Kaine and Bayh Told Nope on Veep

August 22, 2008 10:50 PM

The United States Secret Service has dispatched a protective detail to assume the immediate protection of Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., a source tells ABC News, indicating in all likelihood that Biden has been officially notified that Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, has selected him to be his running mate.

Ummmm.....I already posted that, and the question wasn't about the Secret Service protecting Biden.  It was about Politico's crazy theory that the Secret Service was pretending that Biden was the running mate while the real running mate was in Illinois.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Politico on August 22, 2008, 11:45:47 PM
Secret Service is being openly dispatched to Biden's home and is already secretly protecting the real running mate, who is already in Illinois.

The Secret Service are a serious government agency.  Unless they had reason to believe there was an imminent threat on Biden, they wouldn't go to protect him on a lark from Obama.

Clearly not a lark, but maybe as a smoke screen?

Also, maybe there is an imminent threat on Biden simply by him being the last of the supposed Big Three front runners who has not had a leak saying he was told he is not the running mate. Maybe Biden was told he was not the guy by Obama earlier today, but unlike Bayh and Kaine and Clinton, he is actually coming through on his promise not to tell anybody the nature of their conversation.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Vsanto5 on August 22, 2008, 11:46:46 PM
CNN confirms that Joe Biden will be Barack Obama's Vice President of the United States.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Kevin on August 22, 2008, 11:47:23 PM
CNN confirms that Joe Biden will be Barack Obama's Vice President of the United States.

Obama just made the biggest mistake of his political career.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: True Democrat on August 22, 2008, 11:47:42 PM
CNN confirms that Joe Biden will be Barack Obama's Vice President of the United States.

I'm glad the election was held already.  Too bad I forgot to vote.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Flying Dog on August 22, 2008, 11:49:39 PM
CNN confirms that Joe Biden will be Barack Obama's Vice President of the United States.

Obama just made the biggest mistake of his political career.

Oh God, here it comes...

"Gaffe-Machine!". "Arrogant!" "Slime-ball!" "Loud-mouth!" "Blah, blah, blah...."



Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Politico on August 22, 2008, 11:50:19 PM
And Rupert Murdoch has confirmed that Kerry has chosen Gephardt *rolls eyes*

Definitely a good way to find out who will not leak the secret stuff, and who you cannot trust to keep their mouth shut...


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Vsanto5 on August 22, 2008, 11:50:32 PM
CNN confirms that Joe Biden will be Barack Obama's Vice President of the United States.

Obama just made the biggest mistake of his political career.

Maybe, but we will have to see if he can fight off the McCain attacks with Biden on the ticket and I think that will help him in the polls.  Instant effect.

I think that some of the Hillary people are upset but I really think she pissed off Obama with the attacks and the baggage, and he made up his mind earlier. 


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Sam Spade on August 22, 2008, 11:51:10 PM
CNN confirms that Joe Biden will be Barack Obama's Vice President of the United States.

And so the point of this text message thing was? Obviously to get your numbers to get you to donate money and volunteer

Nice ruse - silly to see so many people fall for it.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: TheresNoMoney on August 22, 2008, 11:55:09 PM
I'm glad I didn't sign up for the text message.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Vsanto5 on August 22, 2008, 11:58:18 PM
Although I think he should have picked Hillary I think that Biden will help him pick up votes in the blue-collar states especially Pennsylvania and Ohio, but as far as Ohio is concerned I don't know what Obama was thinking.  Maybe Hillary was just too much and he needed to have a change message, but I' am starting to think he took it way to far and took things way to personal.

Funny the first call to come into Larry King's TV show was a Hillary supporter that stated he would stay home. LOL I cannot predict the fallout right now, we just have to see after the conventions.


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 22, 2008, 11:59:13 PM
CNN confirms that Joe Biden will be Barack Obama's Vice President of the United States.

Obama just made the biggest mistake of his political career.

Oh God, here it comes...

"Gaffe-Machine!". "Arrogant!" "Slime-ball!" "Loud-mouth!" "Blah, blah, blah...."



;)


Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
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Title: Re: OFFICIAL Vice President leaks, tips, and speculation thread
Post by: Lunar on August 23, 2008, 12:18:16 AM
Well, it's Biden.

No more leaks necessary.

All new discussion shall be redirected to the new official Robinette thread.

Thread locked.  Giant Biden thanks you for your participation.

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