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Title: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on August 27, 2008, 05:56:30 PM
Wow, what a disaster! Did you just see how Obama barely got a majority of the votes? Remember when those Hillary delegates staged that massive walkout? This uconvention is in extreme disarray and disunity!

We should've listened to J. J.!


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: Beet on August 27, 2008, 05:58:31 PM
It looks like the Hillary people are rolling a large portly man by his belly... he is going across the convention floor toward a crowd of Obama kids.... Slam! They went down like bowling pins!


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: J. J. on August 27, 2008, 05:59:14 PM
Wow, what a disaster! Did you just see how Obama barely got a majority of the votes? Remember when those Hillary delegates staged that massive walkout? This uconvention is in extreme disarray and disunity!

We should've listened to J. J.!

They just made a very big mistake.  Obama will not get the PUMAs.


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: Flying Dog on August 27, 2008, 06:45:15 PM
Wow, what a disaster! Did you just see how Obama barely got a majority of the votes? Remember when those Hillary delegates staged that massive walkout? This uconvention is in extreme disarray and disunity!

We should've listened to J. J.!

They just made a very big mistake.  Obama will not get the PUMAs.

I hope your predictions are as right as they were before. I just went on Hillaryis44.com and I read on how many people were posting. There was about 20 people posting a huge amount. I expect they, like the PUMA's, are really a smaller group of baby's than we think they are.


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: MODU on August 27, 2008, 06:50:09 PM
I do think it is interesting how Pelosi quickly went from "All those that oppose the [voice vote]?" and went quickly into "2/3 have accepted the motion" ... never giving a chance for any "no's" to be heard.


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: Flying Dog on August 27, 2008, 06:52:47 PM
I do think it is interesting how Pelosi quickly went from "All those that oppose the [voice vote]?" and went quickly into "2/3 have accepted the motion" ... never giving a chance for any "no's" to be heard.

They did that every time they asked for a acclamation vote. Including procedural matters...


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: J. J. on August 27, 2008, 06:59:38 PM

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I do think it is interesting how Pelosi quickly went from "All those that oppose the [voice vote]?" and went quickly into "2/3 have accepted the motion" ... never giving a chance for any "no's" to be heard.

They did that every time they asked for a acclamation vote. Including procedural matters...

But this time, they noticed.  Not good.


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: Torie on August 27, 2008, 07:03:20 PM
Well, given all the "chaos," I think the prudent thing to do, is call the balance of the convention off. Obama can fax the speech he was to give to the media, and Sean Hannity can read it on the air for us all. How does that sound?

By the way, I would be happy to read Bill Clinton's speech for him. I like his speeches.  I could do that on Olberman's show. I will pretend to be a Democrat. He won't be any the wiser, unless someone here rats me out.


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on August 27, 2008, 07:05:23 PM
I do think it is interesting how Pelosi quickly went from "All those that oppose the [voice vote]?" and went quickly into "2/3 have accepted the motion" ... never giving a chance for any "no's" to be heard.

They always do that, like in the Senate/House, but even my Dem. roommate said something about that, and I don't think she should've said it quite that quickly.


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: J. J. on August 27, 2008, 07:06:12 PM
Well, given all the "chaos," I think the prudent thing to do, is call the balance of the convention off. Obama can fax the speech he was to give to the media, and Sean Hannity can read it on the air for us all. How does that sound?

By the way, I would be happy to read Bill Clinton's speech for him. I like his speeches.  I could do that on Olberman's show. I will pretend to be a Democrat. He won't be any the wiser, unless someone here rats me out.

The damage has already been done, far away from the convention floor.  



Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: J. J. on August 27, 2008, 07:07:11 PM
I do think it is interesting how Pelosi quickly went from "All those that oppose the [voice vote]?" and went quickly into "2/3 have accepted the motion" ... never giving a chance for any "no's" to be heard.

They always do that, like in the Senate/House, but even my Dem. roommate said something about that, and I don't think she should've said it quite that quickly.

A technical violation of the rules, but the PR is the problem.


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: Josh/Devilman88 on August 27, 2008, 07:09:04 PM
J.J. you are so funny.


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: J. J. on August 27, 2008, 07:12:38 PM

No, BRTD is, because he doesn't see it.


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: Josh/Devilman88 on August 27, 2008, 07:22:08 PM

I don't see how this is bad, in fact this is very good for Obama. Just watch him pull away and stay ahead.


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: J. J. on August 27, 2008, 07:24:43 PM

I don't see how this is bad, in fact this is very good for Obama. Just watch him pull away and stay ahead.

He was suppose to do that this summer; he didn't.  Same with the VP (and Biden, while not great, was not terrible either).


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: Josh/Devilman88 on August 27, 2008, 07:28:39 PM

I don't see how this is bad, in fact this is very good for Obama. Just watch him pull away and stay ahead.

He was suppose to do that this summer; he didn't.  Same with the VP (and Biden, while not great, was not terrible either).

Just watch, when McSame loses badly in November. There is a movement that the polls don't pick up, and alot of people will be shocked on election day. McSame will not be able to keep up with Obama.


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: J. J. on August 27, 2008, 07:31:39 PM

I don't see how this is bad, in fact this is very good for Obama. Just watch him pull away and stay ahead.

He was suppose to do that this summer; he didn't.  Same with the VP (and Biden, while not great, was not terrible either).

Just watch, when McSame loses badly in November. There is a movement that the polls don't pick up, and alot of people will be shocked on election day. McSame will not be able to keep up with Obama.

Much like the "victory" of John Kerry.  Oh, I forgot:

"Raymond Shaw Barack Obama is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."



Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: Josh/Devilman88 on August 27, 2008, 07:35:48 PM

I don't see how this is bad, in fact this is very good for Obama. Just watch him pull away and stay ahead.

He was suppose to do that this summer; he didn't.  Same with the VP (and Biden, while not great, was not terrible either).

Just watch, when McSame loses badly in November. There is a movement that the polls don't pick up, and alot of people will be shocked on election day. McSame will not be able to keep up with Obama.

Much like the "victory" of John Kerry.  Oh, I forgot:

"Raymond Shaw Barack Obama is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."



John Kerry sucked and was a very bad pick for the Democrats. When swing voters step in that vote box they will see Obama vs McSame. They will think, Obama he talk about how he will change American, how he will take us on new path. Then they will see McSame and see that same views a Bush, how this past 8 years have been very bad. Then they will vote fore Obama, not McSame.


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: Ronnie on August 27, 2008, 07:38:00 PM

I don't see how this is bad, in fact this is very good for Obama. Just watch him pull away and stay ahead.

He was suppose to do that this summer; he didn't.  Same with the VP (and Biden, while not great, was not terrible either).

Just watch, when McSame loses badly in November. There is a movement that the polls don't pick up, and alot of people will be shocked on election day. McSame will not be able to keep up with Obama.

Much like the "victory" of John Kerry.  Oh, I forgot:

"Raymond Shaw Barack Obama is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."



John Kerry sucked and was a very bad pick for the Democrats. When swing voters step in that vote box they will see Obama vs McSame. They will think, Obama he talk about how he will change American, how he will take us on new path. Then they will see McSame and see that same views a Bush, how this past 8 years have been very bad. Then they will vote fore Obama, not McSame.

God damn, just call him McCain.  We get that you think McCain is like Bush, but it can get annoying when you say "McSame" ten times in one sentence.

Grow up, would you?


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: Josh/Devilman88 on August 27, 2008, 07:40:29 PM

I don't see how this is bad, in fact this is very good for Obama. Just watch him pull away and stay ahead.

He was suppose to do that this summer; he didn't.  Same with the VP (and Biden, while not great, was not terrible either).

Just watch, when McSame loses badly in November. There is a movement that the polls don't pick up, and alot of people will be shocked on election day. McSame will not be able to keep up with Obama.

Much like the "victory" of John Kerry.  Oh, I forgot:

"Raymond Shaw Barack Obama is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."



John Kerry sucked and was a very bad pick for the Democrats. When swing voters step in that vote box they will see Obama vs McSame. They will think, Obama he talk about how he will change American, how he will take us on new path. Then they will see McSame and see that same views a Bush, how this past 8 years have been very bad. Then they will vote fore Obama, not McSame.

God damn, just call him McCain.  We get that you think McCain is like Bush, but it can get annoying when you say "McSame" ten times in one sentence.

Grow up, would you?

I'm just calling him what he is, Bush's twin.


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: exopolitician on August 27, 2008, 07:43:12 PM
HYSTERIA




and I think I love it.


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: Ronnie on August 27, 2008, 07:44:09 PM

I don't see how this is bad, in fact this is very good for Obama. Just watch him pull away and stay ahead.

He was suppose to do that this summer; he didn't.  Same with the VP (and Biden, while not great, was not terrible either).

Just watch, when McSame loses badly in November. There is a movement that the polls don't pick up, and alot of people will be shocked on election day. McSame will not be able to keep up with Obama.

Much like the "victory" of John Kerry.  Oh, I forgot:

"Raymond Shaw Barack Obama is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."



John Kerry sucked and was a very bad pick for the Democrats. When swing voters step in that vote box they will see Obama vs McSame. They will think, Obama he talk about how he will change American, how he will take us on new path. Then they will see McSame and see that same views a Bush, how this past 8 years have been very bad. Then they will vote fore Obama, not McSame.

God damn, just call him McCain.  We get that you think McCain is like Bush, but it can get annoying when you say "McSame" ten times in one sentence.

Grow up, would you?

I'm just calling him what he is, Bush's twin.

Yeah, whatever.  Call him whatever you want.  In fact, you can call him f**cksame.

Grow the hell up - you aren't convincing anyone to vote for Obama, so what do you plan to accomplish?


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: J. J. on August 27, 2008, 07:47:52 PM

I don't see how this is bad, in fact this is very good for Obama. Just watch him pull away and stay ahead.

He was suppose to do that this summer; he didn't.  Same with the VP (and Biden, while not great, was not terrible either).

Just watch, when McSame loses badly in November. There is a movement that the polls don't pick up, and alot of people will be shocked on election day. McSame will not be able to keep up with Obama.

Much like the "victory" of John Kerry.  Oh, I forgot:

"Raymond Shaw Barack Obama is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."



John Kerry sucked and was a very bad pick for the Democrats. When swing voters step in that vote box they will see Obama vs McSame. They will think, Obama he talk about how he will change American, how he will take us on new path. Then they will see McSame and see that same views a Bush, how this past 8 years have been very bad. Then they will vote fore Obama, not McSame.

Right now, Obama isn't, and he should have.  It's a new age with McCain; it's unknown with Obama.


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: Lunar on August 27, 2008, 07:51:06 PM
What was JJ's quote, exactly?


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: J. J. on August 27, 2008, 08:07:26 PM

It was just general.  I have said that basically not to let the delegates vote annoys the PUMA-types.


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on August 27, 2008, 11:56:33 PM

No one quote in particular. But you can see this for the gist:

J.J. and Keystone, what exactly, if anything, do you think will happen?

I want it on record so we can evaluate the record in a month or so.

Or is this some amorphous thing that can be neither proved nor disproved?

Two things she could do.

1.  Royally screw up the schedule, forcing some of the things outside of prime time (shades of 1972).

2.  Have a sizable, but a minority, vote for her for President, or Vice President to make the news story be, "35-45% of the Democrats Don't want Obama/_______."

Now, it's the PR battle, not the procedural battle, but Obama wins in the Fall of 2008, Hillary really doesn't have any place to go.  She has little to lose, and may be able to become the king-maker, if not the Queen, of the Democratic Party.

J.J. and Keystone, what exactly, if anything, do you think will happen?

I want it on record so we can evaluate the record in a month or so.

Or is this some amorphous thing that can be neither proved nor disproved?

Two things she could do.

1.  Royally screw up the schedule, forcing some of the things outside of prime time (shades of 1972).

This will not happen.


That's more than a bit optimistic.

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2.  Have a sizable, but a minority, vote for her for President, or Vice President to make the news story be, "35-45% of the Democrats Don't want Obama/_______."

A sizeable minority will not vote for her for Vice President.

She received about 1800 delegates for President. Those delegates may be voting for her, but they will all be cheering for Obama. The correct story would be "Hillary's delegates for vote Hillary." No less, no more.

You are confusing the version which you'd like to see with the one we all might see.  The story of "Democratic Disunity" has been running since Bill Clinton's comments.

The is another thing they can do; walk out.  It's happened before.  Procedurally silly, but great political theater.


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: 7,052,770 on August 28, 2008, 12:21:31 AM
God damn, just call him McCain.  We get that you think McCain is like Bush, but it can get annoying when you say "McSame" ten times in one sentence.

Grow up, would you?

I never saw you complain when people on this forum said "Killary" or "Shrillary" or any other perversion of her name...


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: Brittain33 on August 28, 2008, 07:51:02 AM
There is no scenario or series of events that could have happened that wouldn't have people claim that Hillary successfully undermined the ticket and the PUMAs are handing the election to McCain. All roads lead to Rome.


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: Josh/Devilman88 on August 28, 2008, 07:57:05 AM
God damn, just call him McCain.  We get that you think McCain is like Bush, but it can get annoying when you say "McSame" ten times in one sentence.

Grow up, would you?

I never saw you complain when people on this forum said "Killary" or "Shrillary" or any other perversion of her name...

That becasue Hillary is bad, but McSame is great and will lead this country just like the great Bush did.


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: J. J. on August 28, 2008, 09:35:19 AM
Obama may have lost the PR battle, in regard to the PUMAs, but also in regard to the more moderate women.  Some of it could have been stemmed.  In that respect, so far it failed.


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: Eraserhead on August 28, 2008, 11:15:57 AM
Obama may have lost the PR battle, in regard to the PUMAs, but also in regard to the more moderate women.  Some of it could have been stemmed.  In that respect, so far it failed.

How does the Kool-Aid taste today, J.J.?


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on August 28, 2008, 11:17:20 AM
Please note J. J. has attempted to spin EVERY SINGLE THING at the convention, even the almost universally received things like Michelle Obama's speech.


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: J. J. on August 28, 2008, 11:45:41 AM
Please note J. J. has attempted to spin EVERY SINGLE THING at the convention, even the almost universally received things like Michelle Obama's speech.

BRTD, I've posted a couple of times now how much I like Michelle and her speech.  She defined herself and her life experience very well.  I've also said that she seems like the most real person in either campaign.  Only a complete hack, or an illiterate, could call that negative.

I think are some shortcomings in the convention so far.  Not enough red meat attacks is one of them; that is not exactly anti-Obama, and we've other commentators saying exactly thing.

The second problem is, the convention has not defined Obama the person.  I think that is a mistake because it will let the GOP define him (not accurately).



Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: cp on August 28, 2008, 11:52:29 AM
I think it's hard to spin the reaction of the former Clinton supporters as anything but a success for Obama. They made their stand and got their voices heard in the roll call and had their hero point the way when Hillary gave her speech. The degree of support shown for Clinton as opposed to Obama in these instances was *supposed* to happen. It's part of the pageantry of the event and, most importantly, it's a catharsis.

Hillary supporters got a final opportunity to show their devotion, mourn their loss, and leach out  their animosity. With the convention concluded, Hillary and Bill out of the limelight, and Obama anointed as the party's standard bearer the PUMA attitude will diminish and disappear.

And if that won't work, watching a week of what the alternative to Obama is should whip even the most unreconstructed Clintonite into line.


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: Brittain33 on August 28, 2008, 11:52:48 AM
The second problem is, the convention has not defined Obama the person.  I think that is a mistake because it will let the GOP define him (not accurately).

I've heard lots of people talking about Obama, and it's kind of boring and reverential... not sure anyone could have done better. However, the man himself is speaking tonight. Does that pretty much define "defining himself"?


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: Stranger in a strange land on August 28, 2008, 12:01:28 PM
I think it's hard to spin the reaction of the former Clinton supporters as anything but a success for Obama. They made their stand and got their voices heard in the roll call and had their hero point the way when Hillary gave her speech. The degree of support shown for Clinton as opposed to Obama in these instances was *supposed* to happen. It's part of the pageantry of the event and, most importantly, it's a catharsis.

Hillary supporters got a final opportunity to show their devotion, mourn their loss, and leach out  their animosity. With the convention concluded, Hillary and Bill out of the limelight, and Obama anointed as the party's standard bearer the PUMA attitude will diminish and disappear.

And if that won't work, watching a week of what the alternative to Obama is should whip even the most unreconstructed Clintonite into line.

I hope you're right, but I have a feeling that many of the hardcore PUMAs are opposing Obama not out of love for Hillary, but for reasons of age and race: either they feel he's too young to be president or they simply don't like the idea of a black man in the white house. Why else would so many feminist women support a candidate who promises to appoint strict constructionists to the supreme court?



Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: cp on August 28, 2008, 12:17:43 PM
I think you're reading too much into the PUMA's intentions. I doubt they ever really had any affection for John McCain. It's sort of like the 'anybody-but-Bush' sentiment from 2004. It could be a ham sandwich carrying the Republican banner, they'd still say they were voting for it.

The PUMA's have never been about the policies or ideology of the candidates. Their objections are superficial: their girl lost, so they don't want the guy who beat her to win. They'll make as much noise and get as much attention - Democrats for McCain is a headline grabber - to get that point across as they can.

Luckily for the Democrats, such skin-deep wounds are easily healed by mass demonstrations and alcohol-fueled gladhanding among friends.


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: Flying Dog on August 28, 2008, 01:17:30 PM
Please note J. J. has attempted to spin EVERY SINGLE THING at the convention, even the almost universally received things like Michelle Obama's speech.

BRTD, I've posted a couple of times now how much I like Michelle and her speech.  She defined herself and her life experience very well.  I've also said that she seems like the most real person in either campaign.  Only a complete hack, or an illiterate, could call that negative.

I think are some shortcomings in the convention so far.  Not enough red meat attacks is one of them; that is not exactly anti-Obama, and we've other commentators saying exactly thing.

The second problem is, the convention has not defined Obama the person.  I think that is a mistake because it will let the GOP define him (not accurately).



Comments like these are the type which shows that no matter what ever happened in the Convention, no matter how successful it was, J.J. would find something to criticize about it. Heck, if it had to come down to it, J.J. would probably have resorted to saying something like: "Hillary isn't wearing the right pantsuit for this speech, it doesn't resonate well with the men audience." 


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: J. J. on August 28, 2008, 02:11:08 PM
Please note J. J. has attempted to spin EVERY SINGLE THING at the convention, even the almost universally received things like Michelle Obama's speech.

BRTD, I've posted a couple of times now how much I like Michelle and her speech.  She defined herself and her life experience very well.  I've also said that she seems like the most real person in either campaign.  Only a complete hack, or an illiterate, could call that negative.

I think are some shortcomings in the convention so far.  Not enough red meat attacks is one of them; that is not exactly anti-Obama, and we've other commentators saying exactly thing.

The second problem is, the convention has not defined Obama the person.  I think that is a mistake because it will let the GOP define him (not accurately).



Comments like these are the type which shows that no matter what ever happened in the Convention, no matter how successful it was, J.J. would find something to criticize about it. Heck, if it had to come down to it, J.J. would probably have resorted to saying something like: "Hillary isn't wearing the right pantsuit for this speech, it doesn't resonate well with the men audience." 

Except, so far, it has not been hugely successful.  More pluses than minuses, but a B+ in the words of Harold Ford.  Not great, but not terrible either.

Frankly, the 1996 DNC was terrible, but Bill Clinton's speech was great.  The speech was the key.  Conversely the 1996 RNC was great, but Dole's speech was terrible; that was the key as well.


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on January 17, 2010, 07:25:15 PM
I don't know who was funnier in this thread, J. J. or Josh.


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: J. J. on January 17, 2010, 10:15:12 PM
I don't know who was funnier in this thread, J. J. or Josh.

You, bringing it up again.


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: Alcon on January 18, 2010, 01:39:52 AM
I don't know who was funnier in this thread, J. J. or Josh.

You, bringing it up again.

No, sorry.  BRTD is most obnoxious; you are incontestably most hilarious.


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: J. J. on January 18, 2010, 10:10:36 AM
I don't know who was funnier in this thread, J. J. or Josh.

You, bringing it up again.

No, sorry.  BRTD is most obnoxious; you are incontestably most hilarious.

The realignment should be quite humorous.


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: Joe Republic on January 18, 2010, 10:14:42 AM
The realignment should be quite humorous.

Is 'the realignment' your new meme, I presume?


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: Meeker on January 18, 2010, 11:05:16 AM
The realignment should be quite humorous.

Is 'the realignment' your new meme, I presume?

Old meme being rehashed. He just sort of recycles material and then hopes everyone forgets what a moron he was in the past.


Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: J. J. on January 18, 2010, 03:40:29 PM
The realignment should be quite humorous.

Is 'the realignment' your new meme, I presume?

Old meme being rehashed. He just sort of recycles material and then hopes everyone forgets what a moron he was in the past.

When I predict, it is generally for well beyond one election cycle, in this case by 2016.  What you don't understand is that it is 2010, and we might be seeing signs of it, oh, I don't know, tomorrow?



Title: Re: Wow, Hillary just plunged the convention into CHAOS!
Post by: Alcon on January 18, 2010, 07:38:32 PM
The realignment should be quite humorous.

Is 'the realignment' your new meme, I presume?

Old meme being rehashed. He just sort of recycles material and then hopes everyone forgets what a moron he was in the past.

When I predict, it is generally for well beyond one election cycle, in this case by 2016.  What you don't understand is that it is 2010, and we might be seeing signs of it, oh, I don't know, tomorrow?

About a week ago I got a fortune cookie that read, "You may win a contest."  I thought of you.  I thought you'd want to know.