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Title: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Ty440 on September 05, 2008, 07:33:56 pm
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=FQLTekcur-E (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=FQLTekcur-E)


Am  i dreaming Is this really one of two guys who will be president?  I feel like I'm in a episode of the twilight zone...

What a dufus ....................


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Beet on September 05, 2008, 07:35:02 pm
oh noes.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: ChrisFromNJ on September 05, 2008, 07:44:33 pm
OMG THIS WILL END HIS CAMPAIGN!


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Beet on September 05, 2008, 07:45:48 pm
OMG THIS WILL END HIS CAMPAIGN!
More importantly, this disqualifies him from the Presidency. Did you hear he's also not good at bowling?


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Speed of Sound on September 05, 2008, 07:46:06 pm
What the hell is a "dofus"? OMG You said "dofus" instead of one of the many acceptable ways to spell dufus. THIS WILL END YOUR POSTING CAREER!


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: tweed on September 05, 2008, 07:46:36 pm
better than "Manny Ortiz" from John Kerry...


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: True Federalist on September 05, 2008, 07:47:25 pm
Definitely not going to help him in Pennsylvania, but after years of Bushisms, I doubt that mangling a single word a single time is going to hurt him either.  Now if he had repeatedly referred to the "Nittaly" Lions, there might be a problem, but that's not the case.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: ChrisFromNJ on September 05, 2008, 07:50:34 pm
Definitely not going to help him in Pennsylvania

WTF?

It will have no impact at all.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Ty440 on September 05, 2008, 07:50:49 pm
What the hell is a "dofus"? OMG You said "dofus" instead of one of the many acceptable ways to spell dufus. THIS WILL END YOUR POSTING CAREER!

Thanks for pointing that out...fixed.........


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: J. J. on September 05, 2008, 07:51:13 pm
There goes Centre County.  ;)

He's doing such a great job relating to Pennsylvanians.  ;)


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Sensei on September 05, 2008, 07:52:16 pm
There goes Centre County.  ;)

He's doing such a great job relating to Pennsylvanians.  ;)
It could be worse. His campaign bus could hit Joe Paterno.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Sbane on September 05, 2008, 07:53:18 pm
A 3 second clip on youtube isn't going to change perceptions. But who knows about PA. Maybe the state will move like 1% towards Mccain because of this.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Meeker on September 05, 2008, 07:55:59 pm
I don't understand. Could someone explain this to me?


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Ty440 on September 05, 2008, 07:56:22 pm
There goes Centre County.  ;)

He's doing such a great job relating to Pennsylvanians.  ;)

I would love to see an ad run about the bitter, clinging,  Nittaly Lions  :-)


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Nutmeg on September 05, 2008, 08:01:35 pm
I don't understand. Could someone explain this to me?

Nittany Lions = correct.  Nittaly Lions = incorrect.

This is of roughly the same order of magnitude as Kerry's calling the Green Bay Packers' Lambeau Field "Lambert Field" (like the St. Louis airport) in 2004.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: J. J. on September 05, 2008, 08:22:17 pm
I don't understand. Could someone explain this to me?

Nittany Lions = correct.  Nittaly Lions = incorrect.

This is of roughly the same order of magnitude as Kerry's calling the Green Bay Packers' Lambeau Field "Lambert Field" (like the St. Louis airport) in 2004.

IIRC, he lost the state.

I knew the son of the  Chairman of Cambria County GOP Committee in 1964.  He vividly remembered his mother telling Nelson Rockefeller to pronounce the name of the county the way the locals do, so that "Cam" (short "a") rhymes with "jam," not "Cam" (long "a"), rhymes with "lame."  To do it would have cost him votes in the county.

I saw Dwight Evans make a similar mistake in the Democratic gubernatorial primary debate in 1994, except he called it "Cambridge County."


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: ChrisFromNJ on September 05, 2008, 08:23:55 pm
I don't understand. Could someone explain this to me?

Nittany Lions = correct.  Nittaly Lions = incorrect.

This is of roughly the same order of magnitude as Kerry's calling the Green Bay Packers' Lambeau Field "Lambert Field" (like the St. Louis airport) in 2004.

IIRC, he lost the state.


John Kerry lost Wisconsin?


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Eraserhead on September 05, 2008, 08:26:43 pm
The fact that he isn't good with the names of stupid sports teams is a plus in my book!


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Nym90 on September 05, 2008, 08:26:58 pm
Almost as bad as Kerry ordering a Philly cheese steak with Swiss cheese.

Candidates who make those kinds of mistakes could never win PA.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Nym90 on September 05, 2008, 08:27:32 pm
I don't understand. Could someone explain this to me?

Nittany Lions = correct.  Nittaly Lions = incorrect.

This is of roughly the same order of magnitude as Kerry's calling the Green Bay Packers' Lambeau Field "Lambert Field" (like the St. Louis airport) in 2004.

IIRC, he lost the state.

I knew the son of the  Chairman of Cambria County GOP Committee in 1964.  He vividly remembered his mother telling Nelson Rockefeller to pronounce the name of the county the way the locals do, so that "Cam" (short "a") rhymes with "jam," not "Cam" (long "a"), rhymes with "lame."  To do it would have cost him votes in the county.

I saw Dwight Evans make a similar mistake in the Democratic gubernatorial primary debate in 1994, except he called it "Cambridge County."

Too bad you don't RC. :)


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: King on September 05, 2008, 08:37:17 pm
If there hadn't been massive voter fraud in that state, John Kerry's "Lambert Field" gaffe would've cost him in Wisconsin.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: J. J. on September 05, 2008, 08:37:28 pm
I don't understand. Could someone explain this to me?

Nittany Lions = correct.  Nittaly Lions = incorrect.

This is of roughly the same order of magnitude as Kerry's calling the Green Bay Packers' Lambeau Field "Lambert Field" (like the St. Louis airport) in 2004.

IIRC, he lost the state.


John Kerry lost Wisconsin?

Almost, but I thought it was referring to MO.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: J. J. on September 05, 2008, 08:38:11 pm
I don't understand. Could someone explain this to me?

Nittany Lions = correct.  Nittaly Lions = incorrect.

This is of roughly the same order of magnitude as Kerry's calling the Green Bay Packers' Lambeau Field "Lambert Field" (like the St. Louis airport) in 2004.

IIRC, he lost the state.

I knew the son of the  Chairman of Cambria County GOP Committee in 1964.  He vividly remembered his mother telling Nelson Rockefeller to pronounce the name of the county the way the locals do, so that "Cam" (short "a") rhymes with "jam," not "Cam" (long "a"), rhymes with "lame."  To do it would have cost him votes in the county.

I saw Dwight Evans make a similar mistake in the Democratic gubernatorial primary debate in 1994, except he called it "Cambridge County."

Too bad you don't RC. :)

RC?


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: War on Want on September 05, 2008, 08:42:12 pm
How many votes will this affect?


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Ty440 on September 05, 2008, 08:43:32 pm
How many votes will this affect?

4,000 In Centre County.. :-)


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Nym90 on September 05, 2008, 08:44:10 pm
I don't understand. Could someone explain this to me?

Nittany Lions = correct.  Nittaly Lions = incorrect.

This is of roughly the same order of magnitude as Kerry's calling the Green Bay Packers' Lambeau Field "Lambert Field" (like the St. Louis airport) in 2004.

IIRC, he lost the state.

I knew the son of the  Chairman of Cambria County GOP Committee in 1964.  He vividly remembered his mother telling Nelson Rockefeller to pronounce the name of the county the way the locals do, so that "Cam" (short "a") rhymes with "jam," not "Cam" (long "a"), rhymes with "lame."  To do it would have cost him votes in the county.

I saw Dwight Evans make a similar mistake in the Democratic gubernatorial primary debate in 1994, except he called it "Cambridge County."

Too bad you don't RC. :)

RC?

You said IIRC, which stands for If I Recall Correctly.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: War on Want on September 05, 2008, 08:44:53 pm
How many votes will this affect?

4,000 In Centre County.. :-)
lol so you think 4,000 voters in Centre County, most of whom are liberals excited for Obama will be so disgusted by this slip up they will vote for McCain. ::)


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: King on September 05, 2008, 08:48:23 pm
I don't understand. Could someone explain this to me?

Nittany Lions = correct.  Nittaly Lions = incorrect.

This is of roughly the same order of magnitude as Kerry's calling the Green Bay Packers' Lambeau Field "Lambert Field" (like the St. Louis airport) in 2004.

IIRC, he lost the state.

I knew the son of the  Chairman of Cambria County GOP Committee in 1964.  He vividly remembered his mother telling Nelson Rockefeller to pronounce the name of the county the way the locals do, so that "Cam" (short "a") rhymes with "jam," not "Cam" (long "a"), rhymes with "lame."  To do it would have cost him votes in the county.

I saw Dwight Evans make a similar mistake in the Democratic gubernatorial primary debate in 1994, except he called it "Cambridge County."

Too bad you don't RC. :)

RC?

You said IIRC, which stands for If I Recall Correctly.


There's no doubt in my mind that Bush was the true winner of Wisconsin.  There were mass reports across that state on Election Day '04 of GOP headquarters getting broken into and all their "get out the vote" lists destroyed/stolen and hundreds of Republican-sponsored elderly transportation vans having their tires slashed.  IMO, statewide there were probably at least 12,000 votes lost from those tampering attempts.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Ty440 on September 05, 2008, 08:48:34 pm
How many votes will this affect?

4,000 In Centre County.. :-)
lol so you think 4,000 voters in Centre County, most of whom are liberals excited for Obama will be so disgusted by this slip up they will vote for McCain. ::)

I was being sarcastic... I really have no idea how many votes this will cost him...But tell me did
not LOL  when your first saw the video of him saying  Nittaly Lions.....I thought it was hilarious


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Third Party on September 05, 2008, 08:48:44 pm
And this video is even more damning: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfealLrWLIY

McCain thinks Putin is the president of Germany.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Ty440 on September 05, 2008, 08:52:37 pm
And this video is even more damning: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfealLrWLIY

McCain thinks Putin is the president of Germany.

LMAO !! I gotta be" fair and balanced " WTF was McCain thinking?  Putin the president of Germany??

I think the gaffes on both sides are hilarious......


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Nym90 on September 05, 2008, 08:53:54 pm
I don't understand. Could someone explain this to me?

Nittany Lions = correct.  Nittaly Lions = incorrect.

This is of roughly the same order of magnitude as Kerry's calling the Green Bay Packers' Lambeau Field "Lambert Field" (like the St. Louis airport) in 2004.

IIRC, he lost the state.

I knew the son of the  Chairman of Cambria County GOP Committee in 1964.  He vividly remembered his mother telling Nelson Rockefeller to pronounce the name of the county the way the locals do, so that "Cam" (short "a") rhymes with "jam," not "Cam" (long "a"), rhymes with "lame."  To do it would have cost him votes in the county.

I saw Dwight Evans make a similar mistake in the Democratic gubernatorial primary debate in 1994, except he called it "Cambridge County."

Too bad you don't RC. :)

RC?

You said IIRC, which stands for If I Recall Correctly.


There's no doubt in my mind that Bush was the true winner of Wisconsin.  There were mass reports across that state on Election Day '04 of GOP headquarters getting broken into and all their "get out the vote" lists destroyed/stolen and hundreds of Republican-sponsored elderly transportation vans having their tires slashed.  IMO, statewide there were probably at least 12,000 votes lost from those tampering attempts.


Then the Republicans should've pursued it and prosecuted it. If they didn't, that to me is pretty strong evidence that it either didn't happen or at the very least wouldn't have swung the state (at least, not after also factoring in Republican fraud).

Not saying that your assumption isn't true, but I believe in innocent until proven guilty, and would say the same about arguments that Ohio 2004 or Florida 2000 was stolen as well (I don't think Florida was stolen, but I think that the intent of the majority of voters who cast ballots was clearly for Gore, with ballot snafus causing the official result to reflect otherwise).


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Lunar on September 05, 2008, 08:54:25 pm
LMAO

LMAO

LMAO

LMAO


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: J. J. on September 05, 2008, 08:54:49 pm
How many votes will this affect?

The paying membership of the Penn State Alumni Association is 160,742, with maybe about an equal amount not paying.  A number of non affiliated fans.  Probably 2/3 of that live in PA, most are probably registered voters.  Most will make up their minds on other issues, but it could affect a few thousand votes.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: King on September 05, 2008, 08:55:32 pm
I don't understand. Could someone explain this to me?

Nittany Lions = correct.  Nittaly Lions = incorrect.

This is of roughly the same order of magnitude as Kerry's calling the Green Bay Packers' Lambeau Field "Lambert Field" (like the St. Louis airport) in 2004.

IIRC, he lost the state.

I knew the son of the  Chairman of Cambria County GOP Committee in 1964.  He vividly remembered his mother telling Nelson Rockefeller to pronounce the name of the county the way the locals do, so that "Cam" (short "a") rhymes with "jam," not "Cam" (long "a"), rhymes with "lame."  To do it would have cost him votes in the county.

I saw Dwight Evans make a similar mistake in the Democratic gubernatorial primary debate in 1994, except he called it "Cambridge County."

Too bad you don't RC. :)

RC?

You said IIRC, which stands for If I Recall Correctly.


There's no doubt in my mind that Bush was the true winner of Wisconsin.  There were mass reports across that state on Election Day '04 of GOP headquarters getting broken into and all their "get out the vote" lists destroyed/stolen and hundreds of Republican-sponsored elderly transportation vans having their tires slashed.  IMO, statewide there were probably at least 12,000 votes lost from those tampering attempts.


Then the Republicans should've pursued it and prosecuted it. If they didn't, that to me is pretty strong evidence that it either didn't happen or at the very least wouldn't have swung the state (at least, not after also factoring in Republican fraud).

Not saying that your assumption isn't true, but I believe in innocent until proven guilty, and would say the same about arguments that Ohio 2004 or Florida 2000 was stolen as well (I don't think Florida was stolen, but I think that the intent of the majority of voters who cast ballots was clearly for Gore, with ballot snafus causing the official result to reflect otherwise).

Florida 2000 for Gore I think is also the truth, but Ohio 2004 was too massive of a margin by Bush (110,000 votes he won by or so) for any practical fraud to have taken place.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Lunar on September 05, 2008, 08:55:58 pm
How many votes will this affect?

The paying membership of the Penn State Alumni Association is 160,742, with maybe about an equal amount not paying.  A number of non affiliated fans.  Probably 2/3 of that live in PA, most are probably registered voters.  Most will make up their minds on other issues, but it could affect a few thousand votes.

You think a few thousand people will change their votes because of this?

Srlsy?


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: MODU on September 05, 2008, 08:56:09 pm
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=FQLTekcur-E (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=FQLTekcur-E)


Am  i dreaming Is this really one of two guys who will be president?  I feel like I'm in a episode of the twilight zone...

What a dufus ....................

I honestly don't expect Presidents to know the names of all the schools and their mascots off the top of their heads.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: J. J. on September 05, 2008, 08:58:55 pm
I don't understand. Could someone explain this to me?

Nittany Lions = correct.  Nittaly Lions = incorrect.

This is of roughly the same order of magnitude as Kerry's calling the Green Bay Packers' Lambeau Field "Lambert Field" (like the St. Louis airport) in 2004.

IIRC, he lost the state.

I knew the son of the  Chairman of Cambria County GOP Committee in 1964.  He vividly remembered his mother telling Nelson Rockefeller to pronounce the name of the county the way the locals do, so that "Cam" (short "a") rhymes with "jam," not "Cam" (long "a"), rhymes with "lame."  To do it would have cost him votes in the county.

I saw Dwight Evans make a similar mistake in the Democratic gubernatorial primary debate in 1994, except he called it "Cambridge County."

Too bad you don't RC. :)

RC?

You said IIRC, which stands for If I Recall Correctly.

Actually, I do recall it, because a friend of from Cambria County called me and said, "Who's the black guy."  She was actually laughing through it.

(Dwight Evans is an African American State Rep who came in second that year; he actually had an impressive plan that was quite good, and moderate.)


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Snowguy716 on September 05, 2008, 08:58:57 pm
Well, Bush referred to the "Iron Range" in 2004 as the "Iron Ridge" on a campaign stop in Duluth.

That didn't go over too well... but they were gonna vote for Kerry by a 2-to-1 margin anyway.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: J. J. on September 05, 2008, 09:02:24 pm
LMAO

LMAO

LMAO

LMAO

Don't say that to a

PENN STATE

fan. ;)

(I'm actually not one, but it probably is a few thousand votes to McCain)


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Ty440 on September 05, 2008, 09:03:43 pm
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v= (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=FQLTekcur-E)


Am  i dreaming Is this really one of two guys who will be president?  I feel like I'm in a episode of the twilight zone...

What a dufus ....................

I honestly don't expect Presidents to know the names of all the schools and their mascots off the top of their heads.


Yea i agree Its just so funny seeing Obama trying to fit in with the white working class in PA..
Remember him bowling..That is going to be one for the history books...

You know i was watching Biden talking to  a crowd today I think he was in Scranton? He just looked so natural and at ease speaking with the folks..

I honestly think Obama hasn't been around blue collar white working class people much in his life before running for president..That's why he has trouble connecting with them...

If this ticket were reversed  Biden/Obama i think it would stand a MUCH  better chance of winning in Nov


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Nym90 on September 05, 2008, 09:09:34 pm
Well, Bush referred to the "Iron Range" in 2004 as the "Iron Ridge" on a campaign stop in Duluth.

That didn't go over too well... but they were gonna vote for Kerry by a 2-to-1 margin anyway.

In 1992 Bush the elder participated in the annual Mackinac Bridge walk on Labor Day and referred to how the Bridge connects the US and Canada.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: J. J. on September 05, 2008, 09:15:24 pm

Yea i agree Its just so funny seeing Obama trying to fit in with the white working class in PA..
Remember him bowling..That is going to be one for the history books...

You know i was watching Biden talking to  a crowd today I think he was in Scranton? He just looked so natural and at ease speaking with the folks..

I honestly think Obama hasn't been around blue collar white working class people much in his life before running for president..That's why he has trouble connecting with them...

If this ticket were reversed  Biden/Obama i think it would stand a MUCH  better chance of winning in Nov

You've hit on it, and this doesn't help.

I've said to someone recently that I don't think Obama is "elitist" but I do think he's "insular."  She was from Central PA and said that he was definitely "elitist."


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Democratic Hawk on September 05, 2008, 09:26:04 pm

(I'm actually not one, but it probably is a few thousand votes to McCain)

Do people really make that much of ado about little things?

Dave


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on September 05, 2008, 09:27:42 pm
better than "Manny Ortiz" from John Kerry...
My thoughts exactly, or Ted Kennedy introducing the home run champs, "Mike McGwire and Sammy Suezer"


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Lunar on September 05, 2008, 09:35:51 pm
Anyone else agree with JJ that slightly mispronouncing part of a local sports team's name will result in "a few thousand" voters switching from Obama to McCain?

To me, that's one of the most ridiculous things I've heard on the forum in weeks.  How many Penn State fans will even be made aware of this mispronunciation?  And what percent of those that know are undecided?  And what percent of undecided voters will make their decision purely based on this statement?

I think we're looking at 5-6 voters, realistically.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Nym90 on September 05, 2008, 09:40:41 pm
Anyone else agree with JJ that slightly mispronouncing part of a local sports team's name will result in "a few thousand" voters switching from Obama to McCain?

To me, that's one of the most ridiculous things I've heard on the forum in weeks.  How many Penn State fans will even be made aware of this mispronunciation?  And what percent of those that know are undecided?  And what percent of undecided voters will make their decision purely based on this statement?

I think we're looking at 5-6 voters, realistically.

Agreed. Almost as ridiculous as calling Pennsylvania a tossup when McCain hasn't led in a single poll there since April.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: J. J. on September 05, 2008, 09:42:03 pm
Anyone else agree with JJ that slightly mispronouncing part of a local sports team's name will result in "a few thousand" voters switching from Obama to McCain?

To me, that's one of the most ridiculous things I've heard on the forum in weeks.  How many Penn State fans will even be made aware of this mispronunciation?  And what percent of those that know are undecided?  And what percent of undecided voters will make their decision purely based on this statement?

I think we're looking at 5-6 voters, realistically.

Dream on.  It reinforces the "Obama is an elitist," "Obama is out of touch," "Obama isn't one of 'us,'" perceptions.  If he'd mispronounced "pizza" or "subliminal," it wouldn't have made a difference.  This does, in the worst place it could.  It's not a lot, and a few thousand votes isn't a lot, but sure didn't help.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: J. J. on September 05, 2008, 09:42:50 pm
Anyone else agree with JJ that slightly mispronouncing part of a local sports team's name will result in "a few thousand" voters switching from Obama to McCain?

To me, that's one of the most ridiculous things I've heard on the forum in weeks.  How many Penn State fans will even be made aware of this mispronunciation?  And what percent of those that know are undecided?  And what percent of undecided voters will make their decision purely based on this statement?

I think we're looking at 5-6 voters, realistically.

Agreed. Almost as ridiculous as calling Pennsylvania a tossup when McCain hasn't led in a single poll there since April.

QFT


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Lunar on September 05, 2008, 09:52:46 pm
Anyone else agree with JJ that slightly mispronouncing part of a local sports team's name will result in "a few thousand" voters switching from Obama to McCain?

To me, that's one of the most ridiculous things I've heard on the forum in weeks.  How many Penn State fans will even be made aware of this mispronunciation?  And what percent of those that know are undecided?  And what percent of undecided voters will make their decision purely based on this statement?

I think we're looking at 5-6 voters, realistically.

Dream on.  It reinforces the "Obama is an elitist," "Obama is out of touch," "Obama isn't one of 'us,'" perceptions.  If he'd mispronounced "pizza" or "subliminal," it wouldn't have made a difference.  This does, in the worst place it could.  It's not a lot, and a few thousand votes isn't a lot, but sure didn't help.

What sounds more like a dream?

Option 1: This slight slip of a sports team name will not be common knowledge and only a small fraction of fans will know of it.  Of these, only a slight fraction will be swing voters.  Of these, only a small fraction will vote for McCain when they would have otherwise voted for Obama, completely based on this mispronunciation.  JJ is projecting his own beliefs onto the electorate as a whole.

Option 2: One hundred thousand fans hear of this mispronunciation, half of them are undecided voters, and ten percent of the undecided voters decide to change their vote based on this one incident, completely reinforcing the idea that Obama is an out-of-touch elitist since he doesn't exactly know every sports team's name in the country.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Nym90 on September 05, 2008, 10:02:20 pm
Anyone else agree with JJ that slightly mispronouncing part of a local sports team's name will result in "a few thousand" voters switching from Obama to McCain?

To me, that's one of the most ridiculous things I've heard on the forum in weeks.  How many Penn State fans will even be made aware of this mispronunciation?  And what percent of those that know are undecided?  And what percent of undecided voters will make their decision purely based on this statement?

I think we're looking at 5-6 voters, realistically.

Agreed. Almost as ridiculous as calling Pennsylvania a tossup when McCain hasn't led in a single poll there since April.

QFT

What does quantum Fourier transform have to do with anything? ;)

(hopefully Muon and jfern are reading this thread)


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Nym90 on September 05, 2008, 10:03:17 pm
Anyone else agree with JJ that slightly mispronouncing part of a local sports team's name will result in "a few thousand" voters switching from Obama to McCain?

To me, that's one of the most ridiculous things I've heard on the forum in weeks.  How many Penn State fans will even be made aware of this mispronunciation?  And what percent of those that know are undecided?  And what percent of undecided voters will make their decision purely based on this statement?

I think we're looking at 5-6 voters, realistically.

Agreed. Almost as ridiculous as calling Pennsylvania a tossup when McCain hasn't led in a single poll there since April.

QFT

In seriousness though, if McCain does win PA, I'll be the first to give you and Keystone Phil major props.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: ○∙◄☻tπ[╪AV┼cV└ on September 05, 2008, 10:04:33 pm
Isn't having good policies on the issues a bit more important than remembering what to call every dumb sports team in the country?


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: J. J. on September 05, 2008, 10:49:24 pm
Anyone else agree with JJ that slightly mispronouncing part of a local sports team's name will result in "a few thousand" voters switching from Obama to McCain?

To me, that's one of the most ridiculous things I've heard on the forum in weeks.  How many Penn State fans will even be made aware of this mispronunciation?  And what percent of those that know are undecided?  And what percent of undecided voters will make their decision purely based on this statement?

I think we're looking at 5-6 voters, realistically.

Dream on.  It reinforces the "Obama is an elitist," "Obama is out of touch," "Obama isn't one of 'us,'" perceptions.  If he'd mispronounced "pizza" or "subliminal," it wouldn't have made a difference.  This does, in the worst place it could.  It's not a lot, and a few thousand votes isn't a lot, but sure didn't help.

What sounds more like a dream?

Option 1: This slight slip of a sports team name will not be common knowledge and only a small fraction of fans will know of it.  Of these, only a slight fraction will be swing voters.  Of these, only a small fraction will vote for McCain when they would have otherwise voted for Obama, completely based on this mispronunciation.  JJ is projecting his own beliefs onto the electorate as a whole.

Hardly.  We have 400,000+ alumni and possibly 75, 000-150,000 die hard fans, figure 500,000.  Maybe 2/3 live in the state, 330,000.   Figure half will hear about it (already 180 hits for it on Google), which might be low depending on the play in Central PA media, 115,000.  figure of those 80,000 are registered, and it makes a difference in just 1%, that's 800 votes.  I frankly think those numbers are low.  

In stead of fans, we local people that know the team name as a brand name (I'm one of them) and think that Obama's faking it to try to sound local when he gets it wrong.  It that area, probably another 300,000-600,000 voters.  Take that figure down as above, you probably have another 600-800 voters.

It's not a lot, but it isn't 5-6 voters either.

It's not 100,000 voters, but probably 1000-2000.  Not enough to swing the state, but it's those little things that all add up.




Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Nym90 on September 05, 2008, 10:51:22 pm
Anyone else agree with JJ that slightly mispronouncing part of a local sports team's name will result in "a few thousand" voters switching from Obama to McCain?

To me, that's one of the most ridiculous things I've heard on the forum in weeks.  How many Penn State fans will even be made aware of this mispronunciation?  And what percent of those that know are undecided?  And what percent of undecided voters will make their decision purely based on this statement?

I think we're looking at 5-6 voters, realistically.

Dream on.  It reinforces the "Obama is an elitist," "Obama is out of touch," "Obama isn't one of 'us,'" perceptions.  If he'd mispronounced "pizza" or "subliminal," it wouldn't have made a difference.  This does, in the worst place it could.  It's not a lot, and a few thousand votes isn't a lot, but sure didn't help.

What sounds more like a dream?

Option 1: This slight slip of a sports team name will not be common knowledge and only a small fraction of fans will know of it.  Of these, only a slight fraction will be swing voters.  Of these, only a small fraction will vote for McCain when they would have otherwise voted for Obama, completely based on this mispronunciation.  JJ is projecting his own beliefs onto the electorate as a whole.

Hardly.  We have 400,000+ alumni and possibly 75, 000-150,000 die hard fans, figure 500,000.  Maybe 2/3 live in the state, 330,000.   Figure half will hear about it (already 180 hits for it on Google), which might be low depending on the play in Central PA media, 115,000.  figure of those 80,000 are registered, and it makes a difference in just 1%, that's 800 votes.  I frankly think those numbers are low.  

In stead of fans, we local people that know the team name as a brand name (I'm one of them) and think that Obama's faking it to try to sound local when he gets it wrong.  It that area, probably another 300,000-600,000 voters.  Take that figure down as above, you probably have another 600-800 voters.

It's not a lot, but it isn't 5-6 voters either.

It's not 100,000 voters, but probably 1000-2000.  Not enough to swing the state, but it's those little things that all add up.




Sounds about right. Of course, 1000-2000 votes probably get swayed by every single speech McCain or Obama give on the stump, too. At least.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Lunar on September 05, 2008, 11:03:26 pm
JJ, all of your numbers are absurd.  Half of 500k Penn State alumni will hear of this?  I doubt if half of the total American population can name both vice presidents' first and last names.   No way.   I give up on this thread, peace.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: The love that set me free on September 05, 2008, 11:11:45 pm
Obama is an elitist for mispronouncing a team name?

I suppose Bush is the most elitist politician ever then.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: J. J. on September 05, 2008, 11:13:41 pm
Isn't having good policies on the issues a bit more important than remembering what to call every dumb sports team in the country?

In the election where Dwight Evans mispronounce "Cambria" he ran a commercial where he had his plan and slammed it down on the table.  A coworker, and good friend, who was black (as was Evans) and dyed in the wool Democrat, exploded when I asked her about Evans.  She thought he was nasty, arrogant, and was turned off completely.  I though it was a good commercial.  If just 0.5% of the voters reacted the way she did, he probably lost 1000-5000 votes.

The irony is, his plan was actually very moderate, not what anyone would expect from a black politician in Phila, and something I could have gotten behind, at least in part.  Because of the commercial, my friend didn't even look at the plan.

These kind of gaffs and comments make small changes in the electorate.  If there is enough of them, they damage the candidate.

Here's a link to the site of the video:

http://www.bucksright.com/bitter-clingers-rooting-for-their-nittaly-lions-885

Note the URL address.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: J. J. on September 05, 2008, 11:25:36 pm
JJ, all of your numbers are absurd.  Half of 500k Penn State alumni will hear of this?  I doubt if half of the total American population can name both vice presidents' first and last names.   No way.   I give up on this thread, peace.


You forget somethings in your premise, first, that the local media won't catch the story, which is unknown at this point, and that you have graduated from Penn State for this to bother you.  "Nittany Lions" is a brand name in Central PA.

Second, for the alumni, you have a better educated group than average. 

It's not a lot, it may not make a difference, it would not in a state like NY or CA.  It might in PA.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Nym90 on September 05, 2008, 11:45:25 pm
Obama is an elitist for mispronouncing a team name?

I suppose Bush is the most elitist politician ever then.

I wouldn't disagree that Bush is, actually (of course not for that reason).


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: The love that set me free on September 05, 2008, 11:48:21 pm
http://www.bucksright.com/bitter-clingers-rooting-for-their-nittaly-lions-885

Note the URL address.

OMG A RIGHT WING BLOG IS ATTACKING OBAMA THAT'S SO NOTABLE


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Nutmeg on September 06, 2008, 12:15:58 am
I honestly think Obama hasn't been around blue collar white working class people much in his life before running for president..That's why he has trouble connecting with them...

Such as his own mother.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 06, 2008, 01:09:30 am
Almost as bad as Kerry ordering a Philly cheese steak with Swiss cheese.

Candidates who make those kinds of mistakes could never win PA.

Haha, yeah. What an elitist.  ;)

The Manny Ortiz thing was the best though especially since this person was supposed to be his favorite player.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: J. J. on September 06, 2008, 01:23:55 am
I honestly think Obama hasn't been around blue collar white working class people much in his life before running for president..That's why he has trouble connecting with them...

Such as his own mother.

The one with the Ph D?


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: ○∙◄☻tπ[╪AV┼cV└ on September 06, 2008, 01:31:59 am
I honestly think Obama hasn't been around blue collar white working class people much in his life before running for president..That's why he has trouble connecting with them...

Such as his own mother.

The one with the Ph D?

So you have something against a poor single mom who later in life manages to get a PhD? Yeah, too bad that she wasn't a stupid heiress, then she would be a common person. Republicans need to stop with these bullsh**t attacks of elitism on people who aren't rich.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: J. J. on September 06, 2008, 01:59:41 am
I honestly think Obama hasn't been around blue collar white working class people much in his life before running for president..That's why he has trouble connecting with them...

Such as his own mother.

The one with the Ph D?

So you have something against a poor single mom who later in life manages to get a PhD? Yeah, too bad that she wasn't a stupid heiress, then she would be a common person. Republicans need to stop with these bullsh**t attacks of elitism on people who aren't rich.

Ah, she was married and a college student at the time.  They divorced  when the father went that bastion "blue collar white working class people," Harvard University.

She then married another student, who served as the government liaison to an oil company, Mobil, IIRC.  That was in Indonesia, where I don't recall hearing about many "blue collar white working class people."  Hey, I lived in West Central PA for 25 years and I don't remember "blue collar white working class people" heading out to the late shift in Jakarta.  They were too busy clinging to God and guns, or going bowling.

Of course Obama came back to the US to go to elementary and high school, where he lived with his grandmother, that "blue collar white working class bank vice president." I guess she had a lot of heavy lifting in that job.  I wonder if the loan applications were on an assembly line?



Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: The love that set me free on September 06, 2008, 02:02:41 am
If everything J. J. said was bad for Obama really was, and if Obama was performing so badly among demographics as he expected McCain would be up by 10 points now. Hell probably at least 20 since that's what it would take for McCain to have a chance of winning white Democrats (yes, J. J. has said there is a realistic chance Obama can lose the white Democratic vote because apparently there are more white Democrats in West Virginia than California or something.)


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: J. J. on September 06, 2008, 02:35:27 am
If everything J. J. said was bad for Obama really was, and if Obama was performing so badly among demographics as he expected McCain would be up by 10 points now. Hell probably at least 20 since that's what it would take for McCain to have a chance of winning white Democrats (yes, J. J. has said there is a realistic chance Obama can lose the white Democratic vote because apparently there are more white Democrats in West Virginia than California or something.)

I didn't a single bad thing about Obama in that last post.

I think it's good to born to parents that are married.  I'm not happy about divorce, but I think it's fine to remarry, especially to a prosperous oil company liaison (he had his degree in geology).  I really do not know of any "blue collar white working class people" in Indonesia; I'm sure there were a few, someplace.  I would suspect that those I actually know were not some of them.

But lets be blunt; Obama had a nice upper middle class upbringing.  He wasn't poor, but he wasn't rich.  There is "bad" about that, so far as I'm concerned.  The only bad thing is to lie about it.  His mother, Dr. Durham, was not "blue collar white working class."  She wasn't a "poor single mom."  I've known a few hundred of those as well, from grade school until today.

On this thread, I've not referred to Obama as "elitist."  I said I didn't think he was.  I said "insular."  That's different, actually very different.  It's part of something I'm planning for post election segregation post.

What I object to is attempting to build the log cabin Obama was born in, in Hawaii.  The real story is fine, its compelling and not dishonorable. 


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: J. J. on September 06, 2008, 02:39:49 am
http://www.bucksright.com/bitter-clingers-rooting-for-their-nittaly-lions-885

Note the URL address.

OMG A RIGHT WING BLOG IS ATTACKING OBAMA THAT'S SO NOTABLE


I note that the bloggers are spreading it, and this one is from Bucks County, a place that Goldenboy has discussed.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: J. J. on September 06, 2008, 02:42:16 am
And BTW, Obama might loose the white working class vote.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Saff on September 06, 2008, 02:42:41 am
Im offended...really Iam.

but....what?


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: J. J. on September 06, 2008, 02:50:02 am
Im offended...really Iam.

but....what?

I think there is a good possibility that Obama will lose the white working class vote.

I think Obama may not connect with the white working class.  I think he had some problems in primary with that demographic.  He wouldn't be the first Democrat to have that problem.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Saff on September 06, 2008, 02:55:34 am
Im offended...really Iam.

but....what?

I think there is a good possibility that Obama will lose the white working class vote.

I think Obama may not connect with the white working class.  I think he had some problems in primary with that demographic.  He wouldn't be the first Democrat to have that problem.


Because he mispronounced a name of a team? That's...a stretch...


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Brittain33 on September 06, 2008, 07:12:04 am
Noted that so far, no one has agreed with J.J. except for J.J. himself, approximately 20 times.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Ty440 on September 06, 2008, 08:20:02 am
Noted that so far, no one has agreed with J.J. except for J.J. himself, approximately 20 times.

Britain I agree with J.J.... What did it say in the late primaries against Hillary that the voters of West Virgina , Kentucky , Puerto Rico and Pennsylvania  knowingly voted for someone that everyone in the media says had not shot at winning..

You know normally when you have a front runner in the primaries the whole party rallies around the front runner , See the percentage of the vote Kerry got in the primary in Pennsylvania in 2004, See the percentage of the vote that Gore got in the primary in Pennsylvania  in 2000


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Brittain33 on September 06, 2008, 08:21:37 am
Noted that so far, no one has agreed with J.J. except for J.J. himself, approximately 20 times.

Britain I agree with J.J.... What did it say in the late primaries against Hillary that the voters of West Virgina , Kentucky , Puerto Rico and Pennsylvania  knowingly voted for someone that everyone in the media says had not shot at winning..

You know normally when you have a front runner in the primaries the whole party rallies around the front runner , See the percentage of the vote Kerry got in the primary in Pennsylvania in 2004, See the percentage of the vote that Gore got in the primary in Pennsylvania  in 2000

Do you think this event is going to cost him several thousand votes?


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Ty440 on September 06, 2008, 08:25:55 am
Noted that so far, no one has agreed with J.J. except for J.J. himself, approximately 20 times.

Britain I agree with J.J.... What did it say in the late primaries against Hillary that the voters of West Virgina , Kentucky , Puerto Rico and Pennsylvania  knowingly voted for someone that everyone in the media says had not shot at winning..

You know normally when you have a front runner in the primaries the whole party rallies around the front runner , See the percentage of the vote Kerry got in the primary in Pennsylvania in 2004, See the percentage of the vote that Gore got in the primary in Pennsylvania  in 2000

Do you think this event is going to cost him several thousand votes?


Hmmm  probably not , But if he keeps making gaffes like this it has the potential too. I don't know how many people In PA will even actually see this particular event...


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Nym90 on September 06, 2008, 08:39:58 am
Almost as bad as Kerry ordering a Philly cheese steak with Swiss cheese.

Candidates who make those kinds of mistakes could never win PA.

Haha, yeah. What an elitist.  ;)

The Manny Ortiz thing was the best though especially since this person was supposed to be his favorite player.

That's not that uncommon for people of that age to misspeak, though. My dad's favorite football player is someone he commonly would mistakenly call "Brett Starr", combining his first name with his formerly favorite player's last name.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Nym90 on September 06, 2008, 08:44:46 am
Im offended...really Iam.

but....what?

I think there is a good possibility that Obama will lose the white working class vote.

I think Obama may not connect with the white working class.  I think he had some problems in primary with that demographic.  He wouldn't be the first Democrat to have that problem.

It depends on how "working class" is defined, of course, but by most measures no Democrat has won that demographic since Johnson in 1964. So yes, I would agree that Obama probably won't win them overall, either.

I also remain unconvinced he'll do worse with them than the effete elitist windsurfing French speaking flip-flopping most liberal member of the Senate from the most liberal state in the country that we nominated in 2004.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: J. J. on September 06, 2008, 10:06:58 am
Noted that so far, no one has agreed with J.J. except for J.J. himself, approximately 20 times.

Britain I agree with J.J.... What did it say in the late primaries against Hillary that the voters of West Virgina , Kentucky , Puerto Rico and Pennsylvania  knowingly voted for someone that everyone in the media says had not shot at winning..

You know normally when you have a front runner in the primaries the whole party rallies around the front runner , See the percentage of the vote Kerry got in the primary in Pennsylvania in 2004, See the percentage of the vote that Gore got in the primary in Pennsylvania  in 2000

Do you think this event is going to cost him several thousand votes?

I would probably be in the low four digits.  As a percentage it's not gigantic.  The question is, how close will PA be.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: The love that set me free on September 06, 2008, 10:49:19 am
http://www.bucksright.com/bitter-clingers-rooting-for-their-nittaly-lions-885

Note the URL address.

OMG A RIGHT WING BLOG IS ATTACKING OBAMA THAT'S SO NOTABLE


I note that the bloggers are spreading it, and this one is from Bucks County, a place that Goldenboy has discussed.

So one guy in Bucks County says so. Wow. Definitely a sample of the whole county. I can bring up blogs then that prove McCain is in trouble in Texas.

And BTW, Obama might loose the white working class vote.

Typical J. J. bait and switch. Say something ridiculous, get called out on it, and then change the topic to something incredibly obvious and only remotely related.

Noted that so far, no one has agreed with J.J. except for J.J. himself, approximately 20 times.

That's pretty typical for any topic involving J. J.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: J. J. on September 06, 2008, 10:57:44 am
http://www.bucksright.com/bitter-clingers-rooting-for-their-nittaly-lions-885

Note the URL address.

OMG A RIGHT WING BLOG IS ATTACKING OBAMA THAT'S SO NOTABLE


I note that the bloggers are spreading it, and this one is from Bucks County, a place that Goldenboy has discussed.

So one guy in Bucks County says so. Wow. Definitely a sample of the whole county. I can bring up blogs then that prove McCain is in trouble in Texas.



No, but it is being spread in Bucks County, one of those key suburban Phila Counties, where Bush went up in 2004.  This deals with dissemination.

And BTW, Obama might loose the white working class vote.

Typical J. J. bait and switch. Say something ridiculous, get called out on it, and then change the topic to something incredibly obvious and only remotely related.


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I did think, at one point, that Obama might lose the white Democrat working class.  I don't now.  I do think that losing the white working class vote is possible, and that has happened.  I also think that if he does, he's lost the election.

What "bait and switch?"  You are the one that raised the issue.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: 2,868,691 on September 06, 2008, 11:10:10 am
Wait, wait, are you seriously suggesting that Obama might lose TWO THOUSAND VOTES over this??  Are you f***ing kidding me?

What does Nittany even mean anyway?  I've never heard it used outside of Penn State Nittany Lions, so most non-college sports fans probably aren't familiar with the word.
Obama may have mispoke, may not be familiar with Penn State's mascot, or both.  Who cares if any of those are true?


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: J. J. on September 06, 2008, 11:27:39 am
Wait, wait, are you seriously suggesting that Obama might lose TWO THOUSAND VOTES over this??  Are you f***ing kidding me?

No, it's in an area where the electorate is very unsure of him.  It reinforces the "he's not one of us" image.  If he'd said a "Penn Stater," or mispronounced "Volvo," it would have had zero effect.

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What does Nittany even mean anyway?  I've never heard it used outside of Penn State Nittany Lions, so most non-college sports fans probably aren't familiar with the word.
Obama may have mispoke, may not be familiar with Penn State's mascot, or both.  Who cares if any of those are true?

It's an Amerindian name, and is the name a mountain and valley in the area.  It is basically a local brand name.

Bluntly, it has the potential of annoying two groups, rabid Penn State fans and locals.  It's a bit like, seriously, referring to the Longhorns as the "Texas Bulls," or the "Longlegs."   


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: The Vorlon on September 06, 2008, 04:18:44 pm
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=FQLTekcur-E (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=FQLTekcur-E)


Am  i dreaming Is this really one of two guys who will be president?  I feel like I'm in a episode of the twilight zone...

What a dufus ....................

Do the Nittaly liions play at Lambert field by any chance?


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: angus on September 06, 2008, 04:31:37 pm
This is of roughly the same order of magnitude as Kerry's calling the Green Bay Packers' Lambeau Field "Lambert Field" (like the St. Louis airport) in 2004.

Ha.  I thought of that as well.

Well, if there were physics majors who refuse to vote for a man who talks about nukyular energy, then there are probably Penn State alums who refuse to vote for a Nitaly Lions fans.  (Note the spelling.  I only heard one "t" in his pronunciation as well.)


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: True Federalist on September 06, 2008, 07:10:05 pm

(I'm actually not one, but it probably is a few thousand votes to McCain)

Do people really make that much of ado about little things?

Dave

Yes.  Not because if the gaffe itself, but because it creates the impression that the candidate was pandering for votes by making a reference to something he didn't really know or care about.  However, a one-off verbal miscue that can be attributed to a slip of the tongue ain't going to make that much of an ado,  It would need to be a more extensive or blatant gaffe to create that impression.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: The love that set me free on April 18, 2009, 10:25:18 am
LOL. J. J. and GoldenBoy at their worst. At least one of them disappeared completely after the election.

I kind of liked how they seemed to think this as a bigger deal than calling Putin the President of Germany. One of those things is actually relevant to the President's job.


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Alcon on April 18, 2009, 12:49:12 pm
LOL. J. J. and GoldenBoy at their worst. At least one of them disappeared completely after the election.

I kind of liked how they seemed to think this as a bigger deal than calling Putin the President of Germany. One of those things is actually relevant to the President's job.

Negative news loses votes even if it's meaningless negative news.  Voters are subject to "vibes."


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: The love that set me free on April 18, 2009, 01:43:24 pm
So are you really siding with the uber-hacks here and agreeing that it lost Obama thousands of votes?


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on April 18, 2009, 02:12:53 pm
I know I am waaaay off topic, but...

What happened to the thread about the Pennsylvania counties which Obama won in the primary? I unearthed it yesterday for a bit of nostalgia, as we are about one year away from the Pennsylvania primary, and suddenly this morning I can't find it anywhere.

Did I miss any flame wars last night or Walter was so embarassed that he deleted it?


Title: Re: LMAO Obama Calls Penn State The "Nittaly Lions"!!!!!!
Post by: Alcon on April 18, 2009, 03:25:00 pm
So are you really siding with the uber-hacks here and agreeing that it lost Obama thousands of votes?

No, I'm arguing that your "no one will vote on this so it doesn't matter" argument was just as crappy.  I am sure that it did lose him some votes.  People often vote intuitively, and negative news stories affect their intuitive decisions.  It was the real damage of the Ayres thing.