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She's a total lightweight.  She carries no advanced degrees.  She is a nightmare on the environment.  She has no foreign policy or international experience.  She's not qualified.  And she is a heartbeat away from the Presidency if they win, while McCain is 72 and a four-time cancer survivor. 

I'm scared of this wacko, Fundy, separatist power abuser who preaches abstinence while her teenage daughter gets knocked up out of wedlock.  LAMENESS!

McCain shows how desperate he is with this move.

welcome back dude

I bet Palin's IQ is like 115 and McCain's is like 125. Conversely, Biden's in like 125 or 130 and Obama's has to be in the 140s.

IQ doesn't really mean anything. She sounds smarter than McCain, I'll give her that much. Although the more and more I hear about this woman the more out there she sounds. Maybe not Jindal level crazy, but close.

If she really said this, it will be dismissed as "misspeaking" and an honest mistake.

I really doubt she did say it, however.  One would think the rest of the media would be reporting it.  Not just a liberal blog.

This thread needs to take a valium. That is all.

And mine is 159 on some scales, so elect me president.

IQ's:

J. J. > Obama

The retard scales perhaps.

A post without a mention of the "sweet Sarah Palin"? Poor form...

No, Terman, though I doubt if you could comprehend the difference.

I also doubt if you could comprehend that we don't chose presidents by IQ (which is why I left Mensa off of some my campaign material).

My IQs is in the high 160s, by that logic FreedomBurns will vote for me.  I am honored

I know.  I'm winning the administrative, academic, IQ, battle against Obama.

I live in a blacker neighborhood too, had humbler origins.

...and you have a bigger dick than him too, right? .....yeah, you are smarter than Obama and have move experience than Palin and more exec experience than McCain.
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I don't know, but I have been told I can do porn.

Seriously.

All those things are true.  I have published substantially more scholarly articles than Obama has.  One is on the Internet (several non scholarly articles are up).  I don't count the biographical article on Abd el-Kader, the 19th Century Algerian nationalist, as being scholarly, or in the field.

I also wrote a study guide and contributed to several reference books.  It's in my Who's Who bio.

BTW:  States, GM3, and possibly Bullmoose88, KeystonePhil, Soulty are aware of some of my publications.

As pointed a few years ago, I'm a member of both Mensa and Intertel (you'll probably have to check Wiki); those actually are not huge accomplishments, but they can look good on a resume.  I have held public office, at the local level, small towns in Western PA, three times, prior to my 30th birthday.  

The thing is, in comparison with some of alleged qualifications Barack Obama, I come out a bit better.  I'm far from the best choice for president.  

In regard to McCain, he ran a Naval Unit of 1000 men; I only helped run a school district with a staff of about 60.  Obama, well, as a community organize, he had a staff of 13.

In executive experience:

McCain >>> J. J. >>> Obama

Hell, the IDEA program took my IQ when I was a teenager. I got a nv of 120 a v of 140 and a comp of 133. Is that MENSA material?

Maybe one Day I will be more qualified than any of these bozos. I am graduating law school at 23. I graduated from Undergrad at 20. I can probably be in porn, too. I've done damage.

I see this has turned into the "lie about your IQ" thread.

OMG LOLZ I TOOK THE IQ TEST ON THE TICKLE AND IT SAID I GOT 130!!!! LOLZ

It depends on what test they were using.  On some your would not be.  A comp of 133 would not on any test qualify someone for Intertel.  Here a test calculate link.  Mensa requires the 98th percentile, or 1 in 50.  I don't consider 1 in 50 particularly impressive.


And maybe one day, so will Obama; just not this year.

I could take a photo of my car with the McCain and Mensa bumper stickers on the back bumper?  ;)

130 is 98th. 125 is 95th.

Actually, it depends on whether its a 15sd or 16sd test. I think the school district psychiatrists used a 15sd test.

JJ isn't lying at all. He probably is more qualified. Hell, he's written over 60 articles for a very well known publication (due to privacy I won't give out specifics) that I personally verified.

Well, I'll need proof. Which publication is it? Hell, I wrote a letter to the editor last year in the local paper and I am not bragging about it, though it was needed to deal with a little hack.

I'd rather not give out that publication unless JJ says so. The fact is he IS correct and I looked it up myself.

I can't trust you on this, but I will apologize if you prove your point. Seriously.

I may be a hack all to hell but I don't lie.

Lying is part of being a hack. I will forgive you when you and JJ deliver.

I don't need your forgiveness. I provided you with facts and you just stick your fingers in your ears and scream.

Actually, it was two separate scholarly journals.  And it was only 47 actual articles, three book reviews and the rest were letters to the editor.  That doesn't the textbook the appendixes to two reference book, a third book where I was a contributor.  

An attorney in SC maintains an online index.


You would need my name, which I won't give.  I don't give States stuff out and he doesn't give mine.  GM3 knows who I am; we're in the same field.   GM3, who has also published, will tell you who is currently the most published living author in the field.  He'll tell you the same thing.  Chris and Phil know me.  I can ask Jsojourner, who I have a friendship with online to review it, or Modu.  

I think Phil or Ice Hockey know my neighborhood and can attest to it being heavily black.  On the other thing, do you want the number of my ex?  :)

The 47 are NOT letters, but scholarly articles, and there are three book reviews.  One is published in full on a web site.

And I can pose tomorrow with my life plaque from Mensa while wearing my Intertel tee shirt?

The idea that Obama's IQ is in the 140s shows the cult isn't dead yet. Politicians are not generally people with high IQs, I suspect. And a high IQ doesn't matter much to being a good politician anyway.

I took an IQ test when I was 12 and it was so off the charts that they had to make up a new scale just for me - which they nicknamed the Dzhugashvili scale. Mensa wasn't good enough for me so I founded a new society but we only have 6 members.

I've written 418 articles - I used to subedit a national newspaper. I won't tell you which, because that would be given out my name, but it's big. Worldwide big. And I've published 2 books and in the process of writing a third. I'm also the world's number one scholar in my field of 17th century Congolese tribes. I've got two awards on my wall to prove it.

And I used to be mayor of a small town. Nothing too big, but it does mean I have more executive experience than John McCain. Clearly I'm more qualified to be President. And my town was populated by more than 4 people and a cow, so I'm also more qualified than Sarah Palin. And my penis is huge. 13 inches if you're wondering. I've only done porn once though - I had to give it up to pursue my other careers.

Don't believe me? Ask my mates John, Tomas and Frederick - about everything but the penis part; we're not gay. You'll have to wait until the sign up though.

We can all make stuff up on the internet.

You're a complete retard JJ.

Or nearly anything else.  I'd assume Obama he has an above average IQ; same with Palin, Biden and McCain. 

Not calling anyone a liar.

But I imagine that the smartest people on the internet don't post their IQs.

Holy sh*t, that puts me in the running to be the smartest on the internet!

YES

You'd be hard-pressed to find a scholar of African History nowadays who uses the word 'tribe'. :P

My sense of humor alone is pushing me up to the top, I can feel it.

If you'd like to purchase my cents of humor, you'll gave to give me some nickles!   Oh, I kill myself.

But back to your serious thread boys.

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Iosif, they have an organization for people just like you, DENSA.

See the only intelligent choice, according to my car, is McCain.  :)


In other words, I really don't need to make stuff up.

this thread speaks for itself

Yes, it shows the absolute inanity of these claims that we should vote based on IQ, which frankly we don't know.

It also shows the bias on the part of some Democrats, Densocrats, that McCain supporters cannot possibly be as intelligent as Obama supporters.

Ok JJ, I'm not going to ask why MENSA gives out bumper stickers, or why you chose to put one on your car.

But I have to ask: Did you go out and take that picture this morning to prove yourself right on an internet thread, or did you have that picture saved on your computer just for such emergencies? 

MENSA doesn't give them out.  They only sell them to members.  You need a membership number to order.

It being on my car is an example of what's known as "applied intelligence."


Yes, I went out this morning and took it.  :P

I've actually posted it to show the utter inanity of posters on this thread.  By their standards, I should be the next president.  I don't agree with those standards.

Why did I come back to this site???

What, an irrational hatred of late-model Dodges?  I have no idea what you're talking about!

(Run.  Run while you still can.)

Can't say I'm too fond of Saintly Sarah myself either; essentially, because the mainstream media, and for that matter Democrats, can't even scrutinise, or criticise, her policy views and her record without being accused of "elitism" or "sexism"

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Image searching for run while you still can gives an interesting collection of results, my favorite being this one:

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Sums up the thread, I dare say.

I wouldn't put anything past Saintly Sarah. True or not, the mainstream media won't even go there. They'd only stand charged of "elitism" or "sexism", so what's the point?

Dave

This thread has been smoking something pretty hardcore; I don't even know how it managed to derail itself to this extent. Anyway, it's refreshing to see some constants, such as the usual personal attacks on people whose opinions one disagrees with, awesome Internet exaggerations, and so forth. I love the Internet.

It's a ten year old Dodge!  That is not "late-model!"  ;)

Even if it were proven that she'd said these things, it would just be spun as proof of her authenticity and redneck cred.

Mensa hasn't provided you with a replacement?

Neither would I on Uppity Barack.

No, but I neither want or need one.  I can post a photo of me holding my Life Member plaque (name blocked out), and wearing my Intertel tee shirt, if you'd like?  :P

Suffice it to say, I am telling the truth.  :)

I think we're going to need that for anyone to believe you, sir.

That could be anyone's car or a stolen bumper sticker.

No exaggerations on my part; I tend to downplay most of my stuff.  I think both Ice Hockey and Phil can verify my location and note that my neighborhood is heavily African American.

I think you should post images of black people in front of that same car, so we know they're real.

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Possibly while you're holding up a MENSA certificate of authenticity and a census report on your locale in the other hand.

I wonder what was the IQ of the canny car salesman that saddled poor J.J. with that dumb car.

Runs great; I got it cheaper than asking price (and than what most people have said about paying for the car).  I only drive 3,500 miles a year.

Paid cash, BTW.

I kinda like Avengers...but not I like my Fusion more...even more than the neo-Avengers.

Due to my back condition, my major question is, how does it feel to sit in it.  I've actually had problems driving some rentals due to the seats.

BTW: Sufficient to verify, or do you want me in my Intertel tee shirt.  ;)

THANK YOU!  At least McCain should have went with Olympia Snowe.  This pick was just plain horrible.

I want to know what you look like. You sound like some wierd dude in a suit with a beard. Is that close?

If you want to know who JJ is, just start searching the databases for 10-year-old Dodge Avengers registered in Pennsylvania, license plate beginnng with "GW".



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Or, you could try the Phone Book.  Any idiot can figure out who I am, with the right database.  And Driedapples can just ask his parents.  :)

Fair enough.  I am something of a buff of very cheap cars - I love old cheap reliable things, am a miser, and love a good deal - and I my research has given me a very negative view about Dodge's reliability.  Maybe yours is one of the rare OK models.

Plus, I only drive about 3,500 miles a year.

I guess "should have went" is a Pennsylvania thing, after all.  And yes, Olympia Snowe would have fired up that Republican base like nobody else.

At least Snowe would have made Democrats say "oh, I really like who McCain picked as Vice President" as they pulled the Obama lever.

Or, more likely, what a fucking c**nt that Snowe bitch is.  Goddamn, what a stupid pick, lol.  Affirmative action, lol.

The only reason I made that comment was, you actually went through the trouble of covering up your license plate, as if you were worried someone might use that information to track you down......but, you failed to cover it entirely.

Just enough to hide it.  Actually, if you know anyone that in the Penn State Alumni Association, you can narrow it down to two in about three minutes.

I'd say what my IQ is, but I don't think that arguing about one's IQ on the Internet really shows one's intelligence.

No, but providing evidence of the claim is.

I just don't think it is incredibly relevant, but a few Democratic posters do.

then I guess Paul and rest of the apostles (Peter, John, etc) were also mentally ill.

Speaking in tongues in known in other denominations, including the Catholic Church (and my own Episcopal Church).  It doesn't disqualify her from being "vice presitent."

And considering Obama's 20 year affiliation with Pastor Wright, it might not be a good idea to mention churches.

I can understand speaking in toungues...maybe... but I have reasons to doubt that she even believes in free will or rationality. Maybe IQ isn't normally important, but Palin is an individual of questionable qualities, no matter how you look at it.

She's not Calvinist so I don't see free will being involved. 

You seem to reading a great deal into some one being Christian, which Obama claims as well.

First, I don't recall Palin claiming she does.

Second, anyone who attends for 20 years the  services of the hate spewing Rev. Jeremiah Wright DOES question ones ability to be a rational leader of the free world.  If Obama is elected, we have this!!!  You have got to be kidding.

Or, maybe we shouldn't too much emphasis on the churches of the candidates.

Calvinism isn't the only denomination that has a problem with that. John Calvin actually tried to avoid that issue. ...and you need to stop being an asshole and putting words in me and my candidate's mouth. Ever heard of St. Thomas Aquinas? He professed a rational God, as do I and Obama. 

No, you're making that ridiculous IQ argument again and Calvin was strongly association with predestination (which I generally reject).  I've never heard any suggestion that Palin has been associated with it.

I would say Obama has some "religion problems."  We've seen what Pastor Wright's, Obama's pastor of 20 years, was like.  If you want a comparison, I'll be more than happy to make it, but I'd much prefer Palin's church to the one Obama attended for 20 years.

It's not just liberals saying this. My mother thinks this lady is batsh**t insane. And she's a pro-life conservative whose voted Republican in almost every election other than 2004 (she stayed home). She's probably voting Democratic for once now because this ticket scares the hell out of her.

Are you sure about that? I think you just stepped too far. I'm not making an IQ arguement. Where did you get that?

...Predestination isn't EXACTLY the same thing as God willing everything. Predestination can be tested, while divine will in everything can't.

From here:  "Maybe IQ isn't normally important, but Palin is an individual of questionable qualities, no matter how you look at it. "  You are claiming that IQ first isn't important then adding a "but."


Predistination says effectively that there is a God's will that determines everything.  So far as I know, it cannot be tested.  The comment on God's will, which echoed Lincoln's, and the Lord's Prayer, was a prayer that they what they were doing was in fact God's will.  No presumption.

My IQ is 4007, so I should be the next President. 

I have a DENSA bumpersticker on my car.

I drive a Honda Civic.

Sarah Palin is a total lightweight.

Oh, and this...

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/_palin_family_shockers_what_sarahs_really_hiding/celebrity/65407

PALIN FAMILY SHOCKERS: WHAT SARAH'S REALLY HIDING!

The NATIONAL ENQUIRER’S exclusive ongoing investigation of GOP VP Nom Sarah 'Barracuda' Palin’s goes far beyond a mere teen pregnancy crisis this week!

 The Enquirer’s team of reporters has combed the Alaskan wilderness to discover the hidden truth about Gov. Palin’s family, which has become a central part of her political identity.
 
The ENQUIRER has learned exclusively that Sarah's oldest son, Track, was addicted to the power drug OxyContin for nearly the past two years, snorting it, eating it, smoking it and even injecting it. And as Track, 19, heads to Iraq as part of the U.S. armed forces, Sarah and her husband Todd were powerless to stop his wild antics, detailed in the new issue of The ENQUIRER, which goes on sale today.

 THE ENQUIRER also has exclusive details about Track's use of other drugs, including cocaine, and his involvement in a notorious local vandalism incident.

“I’ve partied with him (Track) for years,” a source disclosed.  “I’ve seen him snort cocaine, snort and smoke OxyContin, drink booze and smoke weed.”

 The source also divulged the girls would do anything for Track and he’d use his local celebrity status to manipulate other guys “to get them to steal things he wanted.”
 
“He finally did what a lot of troubled kids here do,” the source divulged. “You join the military.”

And as Gov. Palin has billed the state of Alaska for various expenses related to her children, as reported by The Washington Post, The ENQUIRER's investigation reveals that she was so incensed by 17-year-old Bristol's pregnancy that she banished her daughter from the house.

Another family friend revealed pre-prego Bristol was as much of a hard partier as Track was.
 
“Bristol was a huge stoner and drinker.  I’ve seen her smoke pot and get drunk and make out with so many guys. All the guys would brag that the just made out with Bristol.”

 When Sarah found out the teen was pregnant by high schooler Levi Johnston, she was actually banished from the house.  As part of the cover-up, Palin quickly transferred Bristol to another high school and made her move in with Sarah’s sister Heather 25 miles away!

 And the ENQUIRER also learned that Levi Johnston, the baby mamma’s future wedded dada, who was glad handed by John McCain at the GOP Convention, isn’t too happy about his impending shotgun nups either.

 “Levi got dragged out of the house to go to Minnesota,” Levi’s friend told The ENQUIRER.  “Levi realizes he’s stuck being with Bristol because her mom is running for Vice President.”
 
The friend also confided that both Bristol and Levi “broke up a few times and they definitely messed around with other people.”
 
Meanwhile, as members of the Palin family’s war viciously over “Trooper-Gate” and claims of Sarah’s extramarital affair have turned the political race into a chaotic arena of threats, denials and vicious attacks by political black ops, The ENQUIRER has discovered shocking new details about the red-hot affair scandal!

 For the full story of the secrets Sarah Palin is trying to hide – pick up the new ENQUIRER!

 
The Enquirer is the paper that broke the recent story about John Edwards' affair, so don't just write them off. 

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Welcome back - haven't seen you in a while!

Thanks.  It's good to be back.

Obviously.

As for the rest of the stuff, this doesn't touch Palin anyone than Obama's "white hating brother."  That was the "Sun," I think.

Moose in the headlights.

http://mooseinheadlights.com/

One answer to an ambiguous question doesn't cut it.

He was probably smoking so much weed he thought that was the whole interview.

Do you think he'll remember when election day is?  :)

OmGz pursnel attak!11

oh wait, its StatesRights. It's okay when he does it!11 lololol

If somebody said this about you, you would bitch about it like no other. Thanks for being a hypocrite!!!!

I know!  Thanks for the warm welcome back, SR! 

I'm glad to see nothing has changed in my absence...no unexpected evolution in discourse, manners or maturity around here.  Carry on.

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pretty much

Welcome back. Glad you haven't changed.

As far as what you've said above, the same thing can be said about Obama.  He's a lightweight, he's a nightmare to free business, he has no real foreign policy experience, he's not qualified (based by your logic, since other than age and citizenship, the Constitution has no real list of qualifications for the job listed), he WOULD be President with a VP that has all the experience just an aneurysm away from death, and he's a leftist wacko.  See, I can rant like that too!  :P

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She said "nucular." Twice.

I realized three things tonight. For one, if you are a McCain/Palin/Bush voter, you and I do not have a difference of opinion. We have a difference in brain power. Two, she really is as ignorant as I feared. And, three, she really is kinda hot. Basically, I want to have sex with her on my Barack Obama sheets while my wife reads aloud from the Constitution. (My wife is cool with this if I promise to "first wipe off Palin's tranny makeup." I married well.)

Now, I want to be clear and speak directly to those of you who LOVED that Palin interview. You're an idiot. I mean that. This is not one of those cases where we're going to agree to disagree. This isn't one of those situations where we debate it passionately and then walk away thinking that the other guy is wrong but argued well. I'm not going to think of you as a thoughtful but misguided person with different ideas who still really cares about the country and the world. No, sorry, not this time. This time, if you watched those interview excerpts and weren't scared out of your freakin' mind, then you're mentally ill, mentally disabled, or mentally disturbed. What you are NOT is responsible, informed, curious, thoughtful, mature, educated, empathetic, or remotely serious. I mean it.

But I like to think that anyone can change.

Stop voting for people you want to have a beer with. Stop voting for folksy. Stop voting for people who remind you of your neighbor. Stop voting for the ideologically intransigent, the staggeringly ignorant, and the blazingly incompetent.

Vote for someone smarter than you. Vote for someone who inspires you. Vote for someone who has not only traveled the world but who has also shown a deep understanding and compassion for it. The stakes are real and they're terrifyingly high. This election matters. It matters. It really matters. Let me say that one more time. This. Really. Matters.

Sarah Palin Naked
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Obviously you don't know the history of that guy. Now go away, moron.

I just talked to two Obama supporters who were convinced that Palin's answers were too definitive.  They thought she should have sounded unsure.  :)

lol, what a joke.

What that he's a 9/11 conspiracy theorist? Anybody that believes that sh*t deserves every piece of crap they get.

Wow, that's how you justify being rude?  Just.  Wow.

But deserved. 

To be fair, anyone who believes any of that kooky sh*t should be called a moron.

Ugh, I'm with Matt Damon on  this one ... does she believe in dinosaurs?!  I need to know!

It is (pretty much) impossible to believe in free will without being religious. And rationality needs to be defined before one can throw around statements about it.

Word on the first part. And I trust him well enough on the second part.

Didn't everyone want to have beer with G.W.? And didn't G.W. Bush say for a looong time that global warming was not caused by mankind? Someone who said that it might be worth considering to teach creationism in schools?
J.J., if you have such a high IQ, how can you support someone like that? It has to be beyond any logical thinking. Please tell me!

P.S. To go back to what you posted about Essen: It was not quite right, but much more than almost any American would know. In case you did not look it up.

I don't even think that's the problem. I think a certain type of voter just likes to think of the candidates they support in such terms - and among whites at least, that type of voter leans heavily Republican.
Because really, the idea that Bush is folksy or that anyone would want to have a beer with him is waaay out there. (Now, Todd Palin may be another matter. But he's never run for any kind of office, and I for one think there's a connection there.)

I am quite sure that he appeared more like it in comparison to Gore and/or Kerry. And both Palins are like this as well.

This, of course, assumes that there couldn't be any other reason for supporting a Republican.

Even though Dubya might not understand much about science, there are quite probably other qualities and policies that people are interested in. It is possible, you know, for someone to support the Iraq War...or support banning abortion....or to like lower taxes (even if it runs up the national debt).

It's a matter of having priorities, as I'm sure that many moderate republicans, especially on this forum, don't agree with everything Bush says.

And as far as teaching creationism in schools...what's your problem with that? (assuming, of course, that it isn't in science class)

Of course there are so many reasons.
But especially for G.W. Bush it looked like it was an election about the person. It looked like he did not really care much about politics. And to me, it looks like Republicans are doing this again, just look for example at the signature of GoldenBoy. I don't see the Republicans discussing many issues.

Concerning teaching creationism in school: It scorns science. And that is extremely dangerous, as we have experienced in Germany 60 years ago, and you see all over in the arab world. You thus go ahead and start to change something which is purely objective into a matter of belief. As soon as you do it, it will be subject to all kinds of distortions.

Certainly not to me. I mean - this is the same Bush we're talking about, right?
"wtf?" has always been the best description of my reaction when anybody claimed Bush had more appeal of that kind than... well... just about anybody really.

Yours. And mine as well, I just think he is plain stupid.
But he was very popular for a long time, he won, despite not really being a very political person, two elections, the one against Gore even after 8 years of Clinton who was able to balance the huge deficit that the US had.

Agreed. Bush is one of if not the most elitist politicians in US history in my opinion. Explains a lot of his failures in office, really.

Evolution, is of course a theory as well. Can you prove without 100% doubt that we evolved from an apelike creature? Can you prove that God had nothing to do with that "evolution"? I personally don't believe in young earth creationism but if you believe in God you certainly can believe that God had a hand in some sort of evolution that neither you nor I can know for certain.

And most people in this country complain that the people in Washington are career politicians and that we need someone from the outside (I agree fully). Our founders never intended for career politicians and they saw such people as a great threat to our freedoms. They were right and their warnings are proving themselves out. Palin IS that outside the beltway person and I think most socialists (nee Democratic party) are pissed because the Republicans beat them to the punch on the matter and now the GOP has a very good shot at winning this fall. Is their anything wrong with voting for someone you agree with and would have a beer with? Nope, and I beg you to prove to my why that's a bad thing.

And remember, the nut that originally started this thread believes the government committed 9/11.

The first paragraph is correct, and that's why there is nothing wrong with teaching the theory of creationism outside of scientific context.

I also understand that a "Washington outsider" appeals to many people.

But come on...don't try to justify voting for someone you'd like to have a beer with. Concerning you, I have no doubt that you agree with Republican policies (which is frightening, but at least justifiable :) )
Politics shouldn't be reduced to voting for someone you'd like to get to know or to have a beer with. It's insulting to people that actually care about our country and its future.

It cannot be proven, but there is no evidence whatsoever that these theories are untrue. All of modern science bases on these theories. The probability that they are wrong is 1:1000000000. With that probability creationism might be taught in school then as well, 1 lesson in comparison to one trillion lessons in evolutionary science.

G.W. Bush was such a person. And that was a bad thing. If you know what is at stake currently, you better do not take any risks.
With the global problems which emerge currently, I simply don't think that someone who has close to never been abroad has a clue how the world works.

Are we talking about Bill Clinton or Sarah Palin? I forget?

What do you mean by "as well" here? "Intelligent Design" is not.Yes. It's called a paternity test. No, although definitions of "God" vary, and a very literal biblical interpretation of God is less easily alignable with modern science than most other possible deist interpretations. Anyways it's pretty irrelevant. Absolutely. Agreed.
I agree, sort of. An understandable misconception. "Freedoms" have nothing to do with it - when a 1780s man heard "parties" he thought of the Jacobite faction in England  or the conflict between Patriots (or whatever the term was, can't think right now) and Loyalists in revolutionary America. That is to say, they perceived party politicians as harbingers of Civil War. LMAO. Sorry, just lmao. This is the Governor of Alaska we're talking about - aka Uberporkland. This is a moderately reforming career politician (politically) raised in an archcorrupt environment. She'll do get along like a house on fire with Washington lobbyists On a purely spinster level, yeah I would have preferred if Obama had picked a runningmate that could be presented to the credulous as an "outsider". I said so when he picked Biden (not in these exact words). I don't think Palin's influenced that winning percentage all that much. It's still under 50. Not in the way the Dem primary battle or the Reps' ending up - at least halfways by sheer chance - with the one nominee among their candidates who had a realistic chance have influenced it.Nope. What there is - IMHO - something wrong with, is pinning such high hopes on the kind of people who get selected to head major parties, despite being disappointed time and time again. And, with certain historical exemptions (cases of race or class polarization mostly) it seems to be mostly the right's voters who do that.
I don't think a man who claims that Muslims had any sort of hand in the OKC bombing has any right to talk on that point. I expect all reasonable persons on the other side of the aisle to agree with me here.

George W Bush. We're talking about George W Bush. Bill Clinton spent years abroad, remember? Dodging the draft?

Let's see if I can put my thread back on track here...

The Palin-Couric media reviews are in, and they are DEVASTATINGLY BAD.

I was definitley surprized that Sarah Palin did so poorly in the Charles Gibson interview.  I mean, come on!  How can anyone who considers themselves informed NOT KNOW what the Bush doctrine is??  It is only the most important and dramatic change in American foreign policy since the end of the Cold War.

Well, as I was surfing the web I found Katie Couric's interview with Sarah Palin, which focuses on her astoundingly simplistic view of proximity to Russia giving the Governor of Alaska ample foreign policy experience.  The interview includes the cartoonish reference to the "ugly head" of Putin flying over Alaska's airspace. After watching the video, I was left aghast and speechless. It was an OH. MY. GOD. moment such as I had only thought Bush capable. I was so shocked that I could only reel back and drag myself to bed- not wanting to believe it was real.

Today is a new day though, and I decided to check out the reactions of fellow Americans to it across the land. And quite clearly they are as visceral and alarmed and as instilled with fright as mine, and for McCain, they are DEVASTATINGLY BAD:


Palin talks to Couric -- and if she's lucky, few are listening - James Rainey, LATimes

Her third nationally televised interview, with CBS anchor Katie Couric, found Palin rambling, marginally responsive and even more adrift than during her network debut with ABC’s Charles Gibson....
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-onthemedia26-2008sep26,0,3542588.story


Katie Couric carves up Sarah Palin - Kansas City Star
Palin looks unprepared to be vice president (and certainly president)...
http://voices.kansascity.com/node/2157


Couric shines, Palin doesn't in CBS interview - The Oregonian

Ouch. Only one of the two women showed poise, focus and a good grasp of the facts, and it wasn't the one who's running for vice president....
http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2008/09/couric_shines_palin_doesnt_in.html



I’m sorry — Sarah Palin is a bad joke - Jay Bookman, Atlanta Journal and Constitution

Palin is living, breathing proof that John McCain lies when he claims to put this country first over politics. She makes Dan Quayle look like Albert Einstein with a better haircut.
http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/bookman/entries/2008/09/25/im_sorry_sarah_palin_is_a_bad.html

Shameless and clueless Sarah Palin  - David Horsey, Seattle Post-Intelligencer

How would Republicans be reacting if Gov. Christine Gregoire were the Democratic candidate for vice president and she claimed that, because Washington borders Canada and sends trade missions to Japan and China and Russia, she is, therefore, experienced in foreign policy? And what if Gregoire also claimed to be a seasoned commander-in-chief because she is titular head of the Washington National Guard? We all know how Republicans would react: they would roar with mocking laughter. And they would be absolutely right to mock such idiotic pretense.
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/davidhorsey/archives/149699.asp?from=blog_last3


A Question Reprised, but the Words Come None Too Easily for Palin  - NY Times

Her first interview, with the ABC News anchor Charles Gibson, was too hard. The second, with Sean Hannity on the Fox News Channel, was too soft. The third, however, did not turn out to be just right for Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska.  On the “CBS Evening News” on Thursday, Katie Couric asked Ms. Palin, Senator John McCain’s running mate, what she meant when she cited Alaska’s proximity to Russia as foreign affairs experience. Ms. Palin could have anticipated the question — the topic of their interview, pegged to her visit to the United Nations, was foreign affairs. Yet Ms. Palin’s answer was surprisingly wobbly: her words tumbled out fast and choppily, like an outboard motor loosened from the stern.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/26/us/politics/26watch.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin


Jack Cafferty: If Sarah Palin Being One Heartbeat Away "Doesn't Scare The Hell Out Of You, It Should"

Jack Cafferty unloaded on Sarah Palin's "disastrous" interview with Katie Couric Friday afternoon on CNN, telling Wolf Blitzer, "There's a reason the McCain campaign keeps Governor Palin away from the press."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/26/jack-cafferty-if-sarah-pa_n_129724.html


and no help from Palin's side of the aisle either:


Jake Tapper quotes conservative columnist Kathleen Parker:

Watching the CBS interview of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin did not exactly fill Parker with confidence.
"Palin's recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who Is Clearly Out Of Her League.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/ill-try-to-find.html


and my favorite, from a compilation on the British "firstpost"


Babbling Palin ‘makes George Bush sound like Cicero’ - Rod Dreher

a religious-conservative blogger who frequently appears on Fox News and was as recently as last week a Palin supporter, says the Alaskan Governor "was mediocre". Dreher says he felt "embarrassed" listening to Palin "regurgitating talking points mechanically, not thinking. just babbling. She makes George W. Bush sound like Cicero."
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/uselection,0,babbling-palin-makes-george-bush-sound-like-cicero,46939



I hate to say I told you so...ok not really.  I told you so!  She's a lightweight.  She's a beauty queen and a sportscaster who bumbled her way into small-town politics and won the mayorship of an Arctic hamlet.  I don't know how in the heck she made it to governor, but if I were an Alaskan I would be desperately embarassed at what the nation is witnessing.  She doesn't have even a minimal understanding of the essential issues.  Katie Couric looks like she would be ten times better at this position.  Katie at least has some basic grasp of the issues of the day and what matters.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP12aNzocSc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVnhCG2_39w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8__aXxXPVc

As time goes on, I dislike Sarah Palin more and more.  She is quickly proving how unprepared and unready she is to be vice president.

At first it was hard to bring up the "experience" issue because the Republicans were somewhat successfully painting Obama as inexperienced... but there is no doubt now that Obama is miles ahead of Palin in that department.

Experience is good, but not 100% necessary.  But if you're going to be the change candidate, you have to show that you can, without a shadow of a doubt, that you are ready to lead without any reservations.  Sarah Palin has proven that she isn't.

So rather than going out and focusing on what she does do well and focusing ont he issues she knows well, she is just hiding from the media. 

I knew right away that Palin would backfire and be a negative for the McCain campaign... no matter how excited conservatives are about her.

I think that is apparent now as McCain is falling behind in the polls.  Biden will slaughter her next week and she won't be able to hide behind the "sweet Sarah Palin" facade.

SNL spoof of the Katie Couric interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-5uJSCBZlQ

FUNNY!!