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Title: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on September 19, 2008, 08:28:39 PM
November 3rd, 1992: Three major presidential hopefulls Governor William "Bill" Clinton, incumbent President George HW Bush and the independent candidate H. Ross Perot would campaign through out the fifty states as Perot would stay thru the campaign and would fluctuate through out the 92' campaign but in a close race between Perot and Clinton, Henry Ross Perot would be elected the 42nd President and the first ever independent in the White House. The Election would hinge on the state of California, the recounting and making sure of ever vote would stretch into the wee hours of the night until Ross Perot was called the victor, carrying it's 54 winning electors, winning him the presidency over the tight race with Bill Clinton.

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Ross Perot/James Stockdale: 273 EV 36% PV

Bill Clinton/Al Gore: 228 EV 35% PV

George HW Bush/Dan Quayle: 37 EV 28% PV

Other (Libertarian, America First, etc): 0 EV 1% PV

CLOSE STATES(In No Order)

-California (Perot 35%, Clinton 35%, Bush 29%, Other 1%)

-Indiana (Perot 34%, Clinton 32%, Bush 32%, Other .5%)

-Michigan (Clinton 36%, Perot 33%, Bush 31%, Other .5%)

-North Carolina (Clinton 41%, Bush 39%, Perot 20%, Other .5%)

-Virginia (Bush 42%, Clinton 40%, Perot 17%, Other 1%)


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The Layout of the Congressional Election of 1992
The Presidency of H. Ross Perot


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: TommyC1776 on September 19, 2008, 10:14:03 PM
should be a good TL.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on September 19, 2008, 11:25:48 PM
Layout of the Congressional Election of 1992'
-As the Republican Party fell in the Presidential Election polls and the general election, so would many Congressional candidates as smaller third party or independent candidates that flew under the same banner as Ross Perot would do fairly well in some places.

Minnesota 2nd District:
1st - Cal R. Ludeman(R) - 47%
2nd - David Minge(D) - 46%
3rd - Stan Bentz(I) - 7%

Colorado Senate Race:
1st - Ben Campbell(D) - 52%
2nd - Terry Considine(R) - 39%
3rd - Richard Grimes(I) - 6%
Other - 3%

New York Senate Race:
1st -  Robert Abrams(D) - 48%
2nd - Alfonse M. D'Amato(R) - 48%
Other - 4%

California 10th District:
1st - Wendell Williams(D) - 51%
2nd - Bill Baker(R) - 49%

Pennsylvania Senate Race:
1st - Lynn Yeakel(D) - 48%
2nd - Arlen Specter(R) - 47%
Other - 5%

Minnesota 6th District:
1st - Dean Barkley(I/IP) - 34%
2nd - Gerry Sikorski(D)  - 33%
3rd - Rod Grams(R)- 31%
Other - 1%

IP - (Independents for Perot)

NOTE:(Other Races go the same, some incumbent or incoming Democrats just are able to win by larger margins.)

House:
Democratic: 257 (-10)
Republican: 177 (+9)
Independent: 2 (+1)

Senate:
Democratic: 58 (+2)
Republican: 42 (-2)


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on September 20, 2008, 09:55:14 PM
January 20th, 1993: "Our Democracy was stolen from the men and women of the United States so long ago by careless politicians, so they say the days of great politicians and leaders are gone? It isn't and we can have those days back and they will be again that the American people will be in command of the shining White House in Washington, it's time for America's people to govern." These word the more documented part of President Ross Perot's inaugural address at Washington, D.C. New Vice President James Stockdale would give a briefer speech than Perot's about the journey the nation was on now with the election of him and Perot.

January 29th, 1993: The first of Ross Perot cabinet positions are ratified by Congress. A short list are former President Bushes Education Secretary Lamar Alexander(R-TN) will be carried over, Texas Governor Ann Richards would become the Treasury Secretary, Bruce Babbit would become Interior Secretary, Ralph Nader would become Energy Secretary, Eric Eidsness would become Agriculture Secretary and Jerry Brown would become Commerce Secretary. Several names were wafting in the air as Donald Trump, David Boren and John Anderson were some possibles, but the possible Trump cabinet member was ruled out by President Perot. The major State, Defense and a smattering of smaller cabinet positions were still open and many names were swirling.

February 5th, 1993: The Family and Medical Leave Act of 1993 would be passed, the law would recognize the growing needs to balance family life and the workplace. The bill would have such things as Twelve (12) work weeks of leave per twelve (12) months for various reasons such as: Caring for the birth, adoption, or foster care placement issues, Caring for a sick child, spouse or parent, Being physically unable to perform one's job. The bill would be supported by President Perot and the man that authored the bill, Chris Dodd. The Family and Medical Leave Act would be caricatured to gain ever more support of the American people and also an attempt to create a coalition of sorts with some of the Democrats in Congress.

February 10th, 1993: After some talks, Ross Perot would select the remaining cabinet positions. For State would have Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Colin Powell, David Boren as Defense Secretary were some of the many new cabinet members. The only snag would come when Mayor Jesse Ventura's nomination for Transportation Secretary would be beaten and instead Norman Mineta would become Transportation Secretary instead. 

February 26th, 1993: On what seemed to be an ordinary day would have major things come into play in the Big Apple, everthing would lead to what would be know as the World Trade Center Bombing. It was when a van full of explosives would detonate at the lowest level of the WTC, one of the parking lots would be the place and at exactly 12:18 PM terror arose in the city of New York City. After the attack a total of 6 were dead but over 1,000 would be injured on account of the attack. President Perot would call this a cowardly act by the "terror men" of 2/26 and would say that the men responsible of this terrorist orchestration will be caught, this would lead to several airports being shut down for a short time in case the terrorist would try to make an escape possibly overseas or down more south to hide.

February 28th, 1993: The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms(ATF) agents raid the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, with a warrant to arrest leader David Koresh on federal firearms violations. Four agents and five Davidians die in the raid and what would become a 51-day standoff begins on the 28th.

March 2nd, 1993: The Tax Deduction Act would be put into Congress for a vote to lower taxes and this would be generally accepted by many Republicans and some Democrats, having the bipartisan tax slash would be easily allowed to flow through the Senate and the House by a sizeable vote for the Tax Deduction Act.

March 20th, 1993: The Antiterrorism Act or the "John" Act of 1993 would be passed by a weary as President Perot would use the support of the people against Congress and again many were worried of possibly loosing there seats in the 1994 and 1996 Congressional Elections. The "John" Act would get it's name after one of the victims of the 2/26 Attacks on the World Trade Center and the "John" Act would make it that a terrorist can be sentenced the death penalty easily and also have there Habeus Corpus suspended. Some would say "Why are we going to suspend Habeus Corpus to terrorist, they aren't from the US?". The House would vote in an orderly fashion for the "John" Act but after haggling the act would barely go through the Senate, Phil Gramm(R-TX) would say "The Republican Party needs to stand up for themselves for a change".


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on September 21, 2008, 12:23:04 AM
April 1st, 1993: The first major meeting between President H. Ross Perot and British Prime Minister John Major would be an normal meeting as both leaders would be photographed together for there constituents back home in America and Britain. Major and Perot would talk mainly about trade as like many worried politicians in the world about Perot's protectionist position on many issues.

April 23rd, 1993: After talks with President Perot and Representative Barkley of Minnesota, Representative Tim Penny of the Minnesota based arm of the Democratic Party would switch his party affiliation from the Democratic Farmer Labor to an Independent status in Congress. This would now make the House as so: Democrats - 256, Republicans - 177 and Independents - 3.

May 16th, 1993: The Federal Budget Amendment is proposed by President Perot, this would be to fulfill a campaign promise in the 92' Presidential Campaign about balancing the federal budget. The Amendment is backed by many Republicans and a smattering of Democrats. Commerce Secretary Brown would speak out in support of the amendment and called upon to "lift the burden from our children". The two thirds votes would be needed but Democrats were solidified against the amendment, arguing for an increase in taxes to help the budget and the deficit. Perot would stand firm as in the House it fell short by a vote of 249 to 186 and in the Senate it was easily beaten down by a vote of 57 to 43. The amendment would fail but would begin to create a more open coalition with some of the grassroot and populist Democrats.

May 27th, 1993: The official Presidential approval polls are release as the two day survey would show a fair start for Ross Perot. With 56 approve and 44 disapprove, with Perot's 56 approval rating credited by the passage of the "John" Act and the Tax Deduction Act but still many Americans that had supported either Bush or Clinton in the 92' election would be skeptical about Ross Perot.

July 1st, 1993: After Associate Justice of the Supreme Court Byron White would retire and soon President Perot would nominate Commerce Secretary Jerry Brown to replace White's position. The Senate would begin to examine Brown and for one week of haggling, the senate would vote and Brown's nomination would be close as 53 votes for it and 47 votes against.

July 18th, 1993: After much smaller tries, the Democrats would try and put forth the repeal of the ban on homosexuals in the US military. President Perot would stand against this and would live up to his word and wouldn't support the repeal. This would have Perot come under some fire again by the homosexual community in a similar mirror to the protests against Perot during the 92' campaign. Democratic Senator Sam Nunn(D-GE) would lead the charge for the repeal and would quickly trade blow to blow with Perot, "President Perot says he's the new Washington, but does the new Washington hold the same standards as the old from 1981? Do they not change and hold back the real new change for the American People? I sorry to say but President Perot is the same old Washington". After trading blows, Nunn's name would surface as a possible candidate in 1996. Perot would veto the repeal and the vote to override the veto would fall short in a small margin.

October 8th, 1993: To boost his support, President Perot would bring up the Campaign Finance Reform Act created by John McCain(R-AZ) and Russ Feingold(D-WI). The act would be fervently supported by President Perot as the Democratic Congress would "stand up to Perot" and vote down the campaign finance reform act, Perot would say that this wouldn't be the last time the act would be brought up.

November 17th-22nd, 1993: After much debate in the US Congress about the North American Free Trade Agreement(NAFTA) and also the following ratification of the NAFTA treaty in Canada and Mexico would lead to the fall of the NAFTA treaty in the US as President Perot would say that he could hear "A giant sucking sound for American jobs". Some Democrats and Republicans would call this another failure on account of the protectionist administration but this would help Perot in some areas with blue collar Americans.

November 28th, 1993: After the NAFTA treaty fell apart on account of the failure of the US to ratify it, Canada and Mexico would begin planing a trade agreement of there own, the Canadian And Mexican Trade Agreement(CANTA) would begin work on as Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrétien and Mexican President Carlos Salinas de Gortari would meet to discuss CANTA and map out the trade treaty.

December 4th, 1993: After some success and failure, the December President approval polling would be release and it would not be that prominent. With the polls showing Perot at 50% approve, 44% disapprove and 6% undecided. The major events had scrapped off support from Perot but he had recovered over the months and came in at 5% lower than the polling in May, the blows dealt to Perot had send some of his support into the undecided category and for now Perot was treading on water as the Perot Administration looks on to hope in 1994.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on September 21, 2008, 07:57:41 PM
January 14th, 1994: After some talks with State Secretary Powell and Defense Secretary Boren, President Ross Perot would meet with Russian President Boris Yeltsin to sign the Kremlin Accords, stoping the preprogrammed aiming of nuclear weapons toward each country's targets, and also provide for the dismantling of the nuclear arsenal in Ukraine. Many would hail this as the beginning of ending the Cold War chapter and opening the hopefull peacetime between the former enemies.

January 25th, 1994: President Perot would give his first State of the Union address the the nation, sighting the good things the administration had done and also Perot would talk about the coming reforms in Washington and specifically about his "Every Child Connected" computer plan for the US, campaign finance reform and another Federal Budget Amendment.

February 4nd, 1994: After much crafting and work the CANTA treaty would go into effect for the nations of Canada and Mexico. This would have some Americans against this as some Democrats would use this to put in a few blows at President Perot over the NAFTA treaty as Perot would distrust the CANTA treaty and would be weary of the two nations but would continue diplomacy with them.

March 1st, 1994: After the position of Treasurer of the United States would be left vacant for nearly a year the position would be filled after President Perot looked over the choices and would appoint Washington outsider Pat Choate of DC to become Treasurer. This would break the line of women serving the position from Truman to Bush, President Perot saying "there need's some shaking up" and would say that he wanted to balance the Treasurer and Treasury Secretary position with a man and women.

March 4th, 1994: 4 more terrorist that were involved in the 2/26 attacks on the World Trade Center would be caught and convicted of their involvement, using the "John" Act the four would be sentenced to death. Some civil rights and Democrats would sound out against this but President Perot would say that "they deserve it".

March 30th, 1994: The rekindled Campaign Finance Reform Act would be brought up again as Perot had said the following year. The Democratic Congress would be upset by this and would vote it down for the second time. Perot would say that until the Campaign Finance Reform Act is passed that he would bring it up every chance he had.

June 5th, 1994: A small batch of Presidential approval polls are released, showing that President Perot has moved up in popularity to to 57% approve, 41% disapprove and 2% undecided. This is a major improvement for Perot and in the coming polling in December would only show his rise ever more in the coming months.

August 8th, 1994: After some pushing from the Democratic Congress to put a ban on at least some of guns, specially the assault weapons that have been used in several killings and also assaults on public schools over the Perot Administration. The Assault Weapon Restriction Act would be easily passed as President Perot would sign it into law saying "I don't see eye to eye on the gun control issue but at least we can stop some of the violence with this".

September 11th, 1994: In a suprising and shocking event as Francisco M. Duran would fire over two dozen shots at the White House by the fence separating the White House from the nearby street. He would be restled by the Secret Service and taken into custody and charged with attempted to kill President Ross Perot. The main motives of Duran would be linked to the Assault Weapons Ban from August.

September 17th, 1994: President Perot would use the attack on his life for him as Americans were solidified around him for a short time of a week before returning to the approve and disapprove regions and would put his "Every Child Connected" program in Congress and would create a small branch of a government sponsored program to use to growing Internet and use it's potential for the American people. The program would be easily passed through Congress with bipartisan support.

September 19th, 1994: Vice President James Stockdale would begin a campaign for several candidates that are either Independents or "Perotists" for the upcoming midterm Congressional Election. Some political pundits would say that "The troll comes out from his cave" to parallel the virtual shunning of the media by Vice President Stockdale. This would prompt spitfire reaction by the Perot Administration saying that "How dare they call Vice President Stockdale a troll, my god he's a war hero".

November 4th, 1994: The first conference devoted entirely to the subject of the commercial potential of the World Wide Web (WWW) would open in San Francisco, California. Speakers would include Marc Andreesseen of Netscape, Mark Graham of Pandora Systems and others including the special guest President Perot. Perot would come to discuss his new "Every Child Connected" program.

November 8th, 1994: The Congressional Midterm Elections - This will have a separate part for this.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on September 21, 2008, 09:07:07 PM
The Layout of the Midterm Congressional Election of 1994
-As the Democrats sat back and watched things play out they would see a surge of Republicans into the Congress but not enough to have control but this would threaten there hold on the Congress as Republicans were more supportive of President Perot on many issues.

Defeated House Democrats - A partial list
-John Baldacci defeated by Richard Bennett(R)
-Thomas Barlow defeated by Ed Whitfield(R)
-Frank McCloskey defeated by John Hostettler(R)
-Dan Rostenkowski defeated by Michael Patrick Flanagan(R)
-George Darden defeated by Bob Barr(R)
-Sam Gejdenson defeated by Edward Munster(R)
- Lynn Schenk defeated by Brian Bilbray(R)
-Karan English defeated by J. D. Hayworth(R)
-Tom Ridge(I) wins his seat back against English and Leavens
-Bill Tiffee(I) wins against J.C. Watts Jr and David Perryman
-Cal Ludeman is defeated by Stan Bentz(I)

Defeated Senate Democrats - A partial list
-Chuck Robb defeated by Oliver North(R)
-Harris Wofford defeated by Rick Santorum(R)
-Joel Hyatt looses to Mike DeWine(R) in the Senate Election
-Jim Sasser is defeated by Bill Frist(R)
-Ted Kennedy is defeated by Mitt Romney(R)

House:
Republican: 215 (+38)
Democratic: 214  (-41)
Independent: 1 (-2)
Reform Coalition: 5 (+5)

Senate:
Democratic: 52 (-6)
Republican: 48 (+6)


Gubernational Elections

-Texas would reelect Governor Bob Bullock over the son of former President George HW Bush, George W Bush. Both Bullock and Bush would easily win there parties nomination as Bullock won by about 70% of the vote and Bush won with about 90% of the vote. The elections would be close as Bullock would win with 50% to Bush's 48% as the other third parties would do little as the "Perotist" weren't ready to field candidates in many states as the Libertarians only pulled .5% of the vote in the election.

-Pennsylvania would see a strong battle for both the Democratic and Republican nomination for the Governorship as Lt. Governor Mark Singel would barely beat Treasurer Catherine Knoll with a 31% to 29% as Dwight Evans would pull a strong 22% of the votes. The Republicans would have the same luck as former Senator Arlen Specter would run for the Republican nomination and would have a three way battle between Specter, Representative Tom Ridge and Attorney General Ernie Preate Jr. As Samuel Katz and State Senator Mike Fisher would have around 12-14% of the vote, they would be enough to siphon off votes to have Specter barely pull out a win over Ridge and Preate. Arlen Specter would win the Governorship against Singel by a 43% to 40% and the Constitution candidate Peg Luksik would take 13% of the votes.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on September 22, 2008, 02:35:43 PM
January 1st, 1995: The World Trade Organization (WTO) is formed to replace the General Agreement of Tariffs and Trade(GATT). President Perot makes no move to join as Congressional leaders say that America must, these pleas goes unheard.

January 2nd, 1995: The Presidential Pollings come out as President Perot has ridden over choppy seas as his approval ratings have slowly rose through the two years in office. With 59% approval, 40% disapproval and 9% undecided, with more people becoming undecideds as Perot's approval ratings rose.

January 21st, 1995: Governor Robert P. Casey of Pennsylvania would declare his creation of a exploratory committee for a possible run for the Democratic nomination in 1996. In short time Casey becomes the frontrunner for the Democratic nomination.

February 9th, 1995: The Campaign Finance Reform Act is brought up again in Congress and with Republicans in control of the House and with the Reform Coalition giving it's backing in the House would lead to a 221 to 214 Democrats. The Act would pass easily through the House but would hit a snag in the Senate as the vote would come down to a tied 50 - 50 vote. Vice President Stockdale would cast the deciding vote and the Campaign Finance Reform Act of 1995 would be passed.

February 12th, 1995: Governor Pete Wilson of California would declare his candidacy for the Republican Nomination, sighting that he is the candidate for the middle class Americans.

February 22nd, 1995: On the anniversary of George Washington's birthday, Senator Sam Nunn makes his announcement for the Democratic Party nomination, sighting that the Perot Administration has been nothing but failures and has only created more partisan bickering.

February 24th, 1995: Senator Phil Gramm of Texas declares his candidacy for the Republican Nomination at College Station, Texas. The Gramm rally would declare that "It's time to stop Perot's bullying of the Republican Party" this would have a smattering of support as many major leaders in the Republican Party support President Perot more than they dislike him.

February 28th, 1995: After ailing health problems, Robert Casey would suspend his exploratory commitee for the nomination in 1996. With ailing health all through out the major part of his campaigning would lead to a power gap for the nomination.

March 3rd, 1995: After the success of the Campaign Finance Reform Act, President Perot would bring up the Federal Balance Budget Amendment again and it would have success finally after two years since it was first brought up. President Perot would declare that "Scratch in two wins for the American people". The new 28th Amendment to the Constitution would be ratified easily by the necessary states.

March 8th, 1995: Daniel Moynihan declares his candidacy for the Democratic nomination to a roaring crowd in New York, calling upon more free trade and a open diplomacy policy.

March 20th, 1995: James Buchanan announces his candidacy for the Republican Presidential Nomination at the Manchester University of Arts in New Hampshire.

April 9th, 1995: Former Vice Presidential candidate from 1992, Al Gore would declare his candidacy for the Democratic Nomination, saying he would bring real governing for the left and calling on health care reform and more "green" policies. 

April 10th, 1995: Senate Minority Leader Bob Dole declares his candidacy to a crowd in Topeka, Kansas. Flanked by Governor Graves and several other officials would declare "an America strong again in heart and sure of mind. I would like to lead us there."

April 19th, 1995: Dick Lugar would declare his candidacy for the Republican Presidential Nomination in his home state of Indiana, calling upon a leader they can trust in the White House.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: TommyC1776 on September 22, 2008, 03:53:24 PM
Hey this is great.  I like the party "Reform Coalition."


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on September 22, 2008, 09:04:56 PM
April 19th, 1995:A stunning a devastating attack by homegrown terrorists detonate a bomb in Oklahoma City, leaving 168 people dead and 800 injured in the attack. The Oklahoma City Bombing would become the most deadly attack on American soil to date. President Perot calls out that "America will not give up until the these terrorist are caught and executed".

April 21st, 1995: The Oklahoma City Bombing mastermind Timothy McVeigh would be charged with the 168 deaths of the OKC bombing and would be sentenced to death. President Perot would say that "Justice has been served" in a speech to the American people over the OKC bombing and the subsequent death sentence.

April 23rd, 1995: The first round for the French Presidential Election of 1995 would commence as five contenders would be able to win over provinces in the first round of voting. The Socialist candidate Lionel Jospin would win by about 3% over the RPR candidate Jacques Chirac as the splinter candidate of the RPR Edouard Balladur would also be supported by the Union for French Democracy (UFD) would be the closest with 2% less than Chirac's 20% of the vote.

May 2nd, 1995: In a suprise move, Senator Jay Rockefeller and former Governor of West Virginia would declare his candidacy in Charleston, declaring that "America needs someone that can win".

May 7th, 1995: The second round of voting for the French Presidential Election of 1995 would commence as Jospin and Chirac would be left in the mix and would campaign hard. Jospin would say that France needs more to be more open to free trade on account of the protectionist United States and this would prove enough in the close election. With the votes in, Lionel Jospin would win the election with 50% of the vote against Chirac's 49% of the vote.

July 4th, 1995: At the July 4th celebration at Washington, President Ross Perot would declare that the Reform Coalition and all of his supporters would be pleased with the announcement of the formation of an official Reform Coalition or the Reform Party of America called by some. Many would hail this as a good start for a viable third party in America and a different take on a political party as others were becoming worried about there positions in American politics and the threat the new Reform Coalition was bringing to the table.

August 15th, 1995: President H. Ross Perot would announce his run for a second term in the White House under the new Reform Coalition Party nomination. Perot would quickly run unopposed for the nomination.

August 19th, 1995: The Ames Straw Poll would be held and it would be a suprising turn of events. With Gramm beating out Dole by 1% of the vote, he would be seen as a strong possible for the nomination now as Lugar and Wilson would do better than expected.

Results:

1st - Phil Gramm - 28%
2nd - Bob Dole - 27%
3rd - Pat Buchanan - 21%
4th - Alan Keyes - 10%
5th - Dick Lugar - 7%
6th - Pete Wilson - 6%
Other - 1%

September 22nd, 1995: American millionare and editor in chief of Forbes Steve Forbes would announce his candidacy for the Republican nomination in a suprise to many but some would compare his candidacy to that of Ross Perot's during 1992.

October 5th, 1995: Numerous time candidate for president Lyndon LaRouche Jr would declare his candidacy for the Democratic nomination. LaRouche's candidacy would be brushed off by the media and the Democratic bosses and major Democrats in political office.

October 16th, 1995: The Million Man March would commence in Washington D.C. The march would be backed by the Nation of Islam and there leader Louis Farrakhan. The march would circle around the idea to get more blacks registered and also vote in elections in the US, some people in Washington would be worried by this march but it would have a good core ideal and President Perot would let them have the march. Perot's blessing would immediately come back to bite him as a controversial speaker at the event would bring back the small quip used by Perot during the 92' campaign, "Thank you, you people" would be a stinging phrase of words to the Perot Administration.

October 19th, 1995: Nebraska Senator Bob Kerrey would announce his candidacy with his family to an audiance in Omaha. He would call upon "Reason for the nation".

October 30th, 1995: The Quebec Referendum for Quebecois Independence would be held on the 30th of October. As the day approached for the vote for "YES" or "NO", some Federalists would try and gain support from President Perot and at least a partial backing of the American people but no luck as Perot would announce that "America is neutral". The vote would be a shock as "YES" would win with a bare minimum victory of 50.1% to 49.9% for "NO" and Canadian Prime Minister Chrétien wouldn't recognize it at first as many other Canadian officials would. With "YES" winning, the issue of if Chretien can still govern on account that he was born in the now former Province of Quebec.

November 1st, 1995: The official "Cree" of the Sovereign Injustice Referendum would be drawn up and put forth in the major Cree and Iniut areas of Quebec and would pass easily with nearly 80% of the vote to remain apart of Canada. The new Republic of Quebec and the Provisional President Jacques Parizeau would recognize this. This area would be formed into the "Inuit" Territory with Matthew Coon Come as provisional Premier of the new territory.

November 2nd, 1995: The Sovereignty Bill would pass through the Quebec National Assembly to official affirm the Republic of Quebec's reassurance of their sovereignty. After this, French President Jospin would be the first leaders to send ambassadors to Quebec.

November 3rd, 1995: After the flurry of the Quebec "YES" vote, the remaining Canada wold meet and after saying that the Quebec seccesion isn't valid and would be met with Quebecois attacks and after this a unilateral seccession  as some called it would be recognized after a struggle on the issue and the decision by the Supreme Court of Canada in Quebec's favor.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Hash on September 23, 2008, 06:48:30 AM
Does Jospin dissolve the National Assembly in 1995?


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on September 23, 2008, 11:01:14 AM
Does Jospin dissolve the National Assembly in 1995?
No he doesn't but he does impose a new 5 year Presidency, making the next election in 2000.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Hash on September 23, 2008, 03:17:55 PM
Does Jospin dissolve the National Assembly in 1995?
No he doesn't but he does impose a new 5 year Presidency, making the next election in 2000.

What the hell? Jospin works with a right-wing that has 85% of the seats in the legislature? In addition, a right-wing assembly wouldn't pass a 5-year term.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on September 23, 2008, 03:39:12 PM
Does Jospin dissolve the National Assembly in 1995?
No he doesn't but he does impose a new 5 year Presidency, making the next election in 2000.

What the hell? Jospin works with a right-wing that has 85% of the seats in the legislature? In addition, a right-wing assembly wouldn't pass a 5-year term.
Sorry thought you were talking about Jospin's Presidency.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: TommyC1776 on September 23, 2008, 03:39:57 PM

Results:

1st - Phil Gramm - 28%
2nd - Bob Dole - 27%
3rd - James Buchanan - 21%
4th - Alan Keyes - 10%
5th - Dick Lugar - 7%
6th - Pete Wilson - 6%
Other - 1%


Wow.  he must've been about 204 years old.  the oldest Presidential candidate.  (lol).


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Hash on September 23, 2008, 07:11:02 PM
Does Jospin dissolve the National Assembly in 1995?
No he doesn't but he does impose a new 5 year Presidency, making the next election in 2000.

What the hell? Jospin works with a right-wing that has 85% of the seats in the legislature? In addition, a right-wing assembly wouldn't pass a 5-year term.
Sorry thought you were talking about Jospin's Presidency.

So, does Jospin dissolve the National Assembly in 1995 or not?


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on September 24, 2008, 03:33:24 PM
Does Jospin dissolve the National Assembly in 1995?
No he doesn't but he does impose a new 5 year Presidency, making the next election in 2000.

What the hell? Jospin works with a right-wing that has 85% of the seats in the legislature? In addition, a right-wing assembly wouldn't pass a 5-year term.
Sorry thought you were talking about Jospin's Presidency.
So, does Jospin dissolve the National Assembly in 1995 or not?
After some evaluation and yes Jospin does dissolve the national assembly. Also I hope to get the first part of 1996 posted tonight and everyone who read's the TL, thanks. :)


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on September 27, 2008, 02:11:56 AM
Chrétien wouldn't have accepted such a narrow result.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on September 27, 2008, 02:31:09 PM
Chrétien wouldn't have accepted such a narrow result.
So what could happen if the referendum results weren't accepted? Could there be civil unrest, certainly not a "Canadian Civil War" right?


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on September 27, 2008, 09:48:05 PM
Chrétien wouldn't have accepted such a narrow result.
So what could happen if the referendum results weren't accepted? Could there be civil unrest, certainly not a "Canadian Civil War" right?

Unilateral secession, probably. I've been planning a TL about that.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on September 28, 2008, 08:51:30 PM
December 16th, 1995: The latest polling for the first six primaries and or caucuses for both the Republican and Democratic Parties would have Gramm in the lead in Iowa, Forbes leading in Delaware, Dole leading in North and South Dakota and Arizona and New Hampshire were complete toss ups. For the Democrats, it is more of a toss up as Iowa is a struggle between Kerrey and Nunn, New Hampshire is a struggle between Moynihan and Gore, Delaware is tending more and more towards Nunn, North and South Dakota are showing Kerrey in the lead and Arizona is a struggle between Nunn and Gore.

December 23rd, 1995: As candidates battle for every state, many political pundits say that they are surprised by how terrible Rockefeller is in polls. With 6% in Iowa, 9% in Delaware and 6% in Arizona, one pundit would say that "Rockefeller's a great candidate, about five months ago but now he a terrible candidate. He has no base or support as much of the good endorsers have already thrown there lot in with either Nunn, Moynihan or Kerrey".

January 24th, 1996: In a suprise move, Vice President Stockdale would declare that he wouldn't be running with Ross Perot in 1996 for reelection for the Vice Presidency. Stockdale would sight that because of his continuing ailing health would make him put himself out of the running in 96'. President Perot would say that he is saddened by this turn of events but will stand by his friend. The search for a new VP would quickly commence for President Perot.

February 12th, 1996: The nation watches as the Iowa Caucus plays out. With the vote in for the Republican side, this would show as many had thought with Gramm at 26%, Dole at 25%, Buchanan at 20%, Forbes with 11%, Keyes with 8% and lugar and Wilson with 5% each. The Democrats would also have a split results for Iowa, with Nunn at 30%, Kerrey at 26%, Gore 19%, Moynihan at 15% and Rockefeller at 6% with 4% for other smaller candidates. With Nunn's victory over Kerrey by 4%, he would be easily crowned the frontrunner of the pack.

February 20th, 1996: After eight days of Nunn's settling in as the frontrunner, he would skip three primaries in February and would campaign in South Carolina and Arizona and would let the other candidates fight amongst themselves. The votes came in and Daniel Moynihan and Al Gore had a long drawn out campaign against each other for the state of New Hampshire but with 38% for Moynihan, 32% for Gore, 20% for Nunn, Rockefeller with 6% and 4% for other candidates. New Hampshire for the republicans would be more fought over as Dole would need a certain victory after the close loss in Iowa by Phil Gramm, Gramm himself would go on and campaign in other primaries. The results would continue to hit the Dole campaign as 31% for Buchanan, 29% for Dole, 16% for Forbes, 8% for Gramm, 6% for Lugar, Wilson and Keyes with 4% and 2% for other smaller candidates.

February 24th, 1996: Delaware would be easily won by Steve Forbes with 33% of the vote, 22% for Dole, 19% for Buchanan, Gramm with 12%, Lugar with 5%, Keyes with  5%, Wilson with 3% and 1% for other candidates. Nunn would win with 35% of the vote, 24% for Moynihan, 20% for Gore, 10% for Rockefeller, 8% for Kerrey and 3% for other candidates.

February 25th, 1996: Governor Pete Wilson of California would drop out of the race sighting poor numbers in the primaries and underfunding for his campaign.

February 27th, 1996: The three primary day would have Arizona, South Dakota and North Dakota to hold there primaries. Kerrey would easily win in the Dakota's as Nunn would pull off another victory and would continue his "frontrunner" status. For the Republicans it would have some suprises as Gramm would pull out a victory over Dole in North Dakota but Dole would hold on South Dakota and Arizona would be another suprise victory for Forbes.

March 2nd, 1996: South Carolina would be the crown jewel for the Republicans as it has determined the nominee for quite some time and Gramm would pull an upset over Dole and Buchanan. As for the Democrats it would be more simple as Nunn would pull off another victory over his main opponent Al Gore.

March 3rd, 1996: After his close losses and disheartening numbers in the primaries, former VP nominee Al Gore would drop out of the race for the Democratic nomination. After this there would be swirling possibilities about Gore running in 2000.

March 3rd, 1996: Bob Dole would win the Puerto Rico primary on account of him being the only major name on the ballot, gaining about 99% of the vote. This would be a hope to refuel the Dole campaign and quell some of the political pundits calls to drop out of the race.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on October 01, 2008, 07:42:28 PM
March 5th, 1996: The Democrats and Republicans would hold a tsunami of primaries on the 5th, eight in total and would be a strange and fought over prizes to have a clear frontrunner in all of this and knock out as many candidates as possible.

Republican Overlay:
Georgia - Pat Buchanan would rain high in much of the deep south and would easily carry Georgia over Dole and Gramm.

Connecticut - Steve Forbes would be able to squeak out a victory over both Buchanan and Dole in the Constitution State.

Maine - Pat Buchanan would pull a upset over Dole and win with just over 30% in a three way race between Dole and Forbes.

Colorado - In a four way race over Colorado, Gramm would pull out a tight win over Dole, Buchanan and Forbes in the Centennial State.

Maryland - Buchanan would pull another upset over Dole in Maryland as both Gramm and Forbes would have only lower than 20% in the votes.

Massachusetts - Dole would barley win as Gramm and Buchanan pulled for an upset but it was a close win and would be a hopefull restart of the Dole campaign.

Rhode Island - Dole would easily win Little Rhody as many major candidates would avert it and campaign in other states.

Vermont - In a tight fourway race and with a strong showing of Dick Lugar about 15% would have Gramm pull out a close victory over Dole, Forbes and Buchanan.


Democratic Overlay:
Colorado - After a strong focusing on Colorado, Bob Kerrey would be able to pull out a 5% victory over Nunn and would begin to solidify his standing with westerners.

Connecticut - Daniel Moynihan would easily win the little Nutmeg State as having little fight for the win with Nunn or Kerry as Rockefeller would have a strong 10% as he would try and pickup some of the Gore supporters.

Georgia - Nunn's home state would easily win with nearly 80% of the vote as candidates would shun away from the Peach State.

Maine - Another northern state to fall in line with Moynihan and this would be one of the many strong northern states that would put doubt on Nunn about him just being a strong force in the south and small scattered patches of support elsewhere.

Vermont - One more victory for Daniel Moynihan in the progressive Green Mountain State and this would be one of four northern states won by Moynihan on the 5th.

Maryland - Nunn would win by a substantial support over Kerrey, Moynihan and Rockefeller. This would be the time that Rockefeller would announce that if he at least doesn't break 15% in any of the remaining states he would drop out on the 6th.

Massachusetts - Moynihan would pick up another state and drop it into his growing category as the Bay State would have a strong showing of Rockefeller with 11% as his campaigning would fall short of the 15% he wanted at least.

Rhode Island - Another large margin would come to Moynihan in New England as he built up his support and his opposition to Nunn, this would finish off the four victories for Moynihan for the "Super Tuesday".


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on October 01, 2008, 08:46:54 PM
March 6th, 1996: Jay Rockefeller would officially drop out of the race for the Democratic Nomination in 1996. Rockefeller would say that "Maybe someday they'll be a Rockefeller in the White House".

March 6th, 1996: The day after the "Super Tuesday" primaries, all of the news groups would talk about the now unclear path for both the Democrats and the Republicans as they talked about how Perot was hammering the two parties as he had no resistance and began early campaigning for the election. Former nominee Bill Clinton would appear on CNN and would talk about the "Clinton Effect" that Nunn was only winning states majorly in the south as Clinton had done at first and "I was nominated in 92, I believe Nunn can be nominated for 96 as well" Clinton would say in the interview.

March 7th, 1996: The Empire State would cast it's vote for it's son of the state, Daniel Moynihan and with a 10% win over Nunn who was hoping to pull out a suprise and show he was viable in the North would come today. As for the Republicans, Dole, Forbes and Gramm would duke it out over the state but through this they would send it into Forbes Corner.

March 11th, 1996: President Ross Perot would announce that on the upcoming "Junior Tuesday" on the 12th that he would announce his choice for his Vice President on his interview with NBC.

March 12th, 1996: The Junior Tuesday would have a sweep of seven states and Nunn would win six of the seven primaries and would be crowned the frontrunner as Moynihan would only win Oregon as Kerrey had taken a backseat and his possible dropping out was much talked about. The Republicans would have a more mixed turn of events as Texas, Oklahoma and Florida, Buchanan would win Louisiana, Mississippi and Tennessee, Dole would win Oregon and his campaign would soon begin to go under.

March 12th, 1996: In one of the few appearance rallies by Ross Perot, he would announce his Vice Presidential choice in Oklahoma City and that his Defense Secretary David Boren would become his VP, this would be followed by the unveiling of the Perot/Boren '96 banner.

March 15th, 1996: Bob Kerrey would drop out of the race after announcing it to his last rally as a presidential hopefull for '96. Kerrey would say that "The west showed itself today and I hope that after all of this that I am proud to announce that I must and shall endorse Samuel Nunn for the presidency". This drop out by Kerrey was widely seen as a possible coming to fruition but the quick support of Nunn would be a suprise as things began to fly of a possible bargin with Nunn for a cabinet or the VP spot in a Nunn Presidency.

March 18th, 1996: Bob Dole would sadly drop out of the race after being bumped off as the opposition candidate to Gramm by Pat Buchanan, saying that "I wanted to lead a strong America but not today, we showed Washington that America needs strength".

March 19th, 1996: Four more primaries would occur on the 19th as Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan and Illinois would hold votes for there respective primaries. Gramm would win in a 10% win over Buchanan and Forbes and Gramm in Illinois would win also Ohio and Wisconsin, Buchanan would win Michigan in a tight race. Democrats would have Moynihan win in Wisconsin and Michigan on account of his more liberal views than Nunn as a strong "Stop Nunn" campaign began as Nunn won Ohio and Illinois in a bare minimun win over Moynihan.

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Democratic and Republican Primaries So Far. (Top-R, Bottom-D)
Phil Gramm/Daniel Moynihan
Sam Nunn/Bob Dole
Steve Forbes
Bob Kerrey
Pat Buchanan  


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 05, 2008, 01:49:53 AM
Good timeline.  However, it's Bob *Kerrey*, not *Kerry*.

Also, back then, it was "Junior Tuesday" and "Super Tuesday" (Super Tuesday being the largest primary day, and Junior Tuesday being the second largest).  Not "first tsunami" and "second tsunami".



Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on October 05, 2008, 11:11:16 AM
Good timeline.  However, it's Bob *Kerrey*, not *Kerry*.

Also, back then, it was "Junior Tuesday" and "Super Tuesday" (Super Tuesday being the largest primary day, and Junior Tuesday being the second largest).  Not "first tsunami" and "second tsunami".


Thanks I missed the "e", I thought is was like John Kerry but I think I can change them up pretty easily. The Junior and Super Tuesday's won't be a problem, I can do some recorrecting pretty easy there and thanks again.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on October 05, 2008, 09:47:49 PM
March 26th, 1996: After attacks from Democrats, the Campaign Finance Reform Act would be challenged as being constitutionally sound as some Democrats and "Anti Perot" Republicans would say that they had been worried about the CFR act when it was passed as they believed some parts weren't constitutionally sound. This would evolve into some calls to repeal the act, mainly by Democrats and on the campaign trail campaign finance reform act would become a growing question.

March 26th, 1996: The three primaries for California, Nevada and Washington would be held and it would only solidify Gramm and Nunn's positions as frontrunners. Gramm and Nunn would both win California and Nevada as Nunn would fight off Moynihan for the win as Moynihan would pick up Washington in a bare minimun and this would show as the "Stop Nunn" campaign was beginning to see that Nunn was effectively the presumptive nominee. Buchanan would pick up Washington against Forbes and Gramm in a sizable 10% victory.

March 28th, 1996: President Perot and Vice President Stockdale would go on there "Run on Reform" campaign to gain more candidates for the Reform Coalition in the upcoming Congressional elections in 1996. This would prove successfull as they would convince several potentials to run like State Representative George D. Weber of Missouri to run against Republican Jim Talent, Peter Ueberroth would say that he would run for the 34th congressional district in California and this would bring in new blood into the Reform Coalition.

March 31st, 1996: After questions if Moynihan would drop out after his loss in the critical California Primary would continue and with the polls for the next primary in Pennsylvania showing Nunn winning, Daniel Moynihan would drop out from the race for the nomination saying that "America has seen sanity and justice and they want a Democrat to bring it to them".

April 3rd, 1996: Ambassador to Yugoslavia and former State Secretary Lawrence Eagleburger would die when his plane would experience difficulties and would go down on there flight to the capitol of Belgrade. Ambassador Eagleburger would be remembered for his talks that ended the waring in the west. President Perot would say that "The ambassador did his job well and he'll be missed", this would lead to several stops of flights by cabinet members and other officials as they would check the airplanes for any possible future shorts in them. This would lead to Energy Secretary Nader would bring up an old airplane issue to President Perot.

April 23rd, 1996: Pennsylvania would hold it's primary and the frontrunners Gramm and Nunn would win hands down. Gramm would continue to solidify his lead against Buchanan and Forbes as the two opposition candidates would continue to dwindle in support in the primaries as Gramm was the presumptive nominee.

May 7th, 1996: D.C., North Carolina and Indiana would hold primaries and it would only be more victories for Sam Nunn and Phil Gramm. After his dismal 4% in North Carolina and 9% in Indiana, Steve Forbes would decide to withdraw from the race for the Republican nomination.

May 9th, 1996: The Airline Protection Act of 1996 would pass through Congress as President Perot would work with his cabinet to craft the law. The Airline Protection Act would put more safety checks and such on airlines, Perot would sight "If I can stop accidents in the future and save lives, I've done my job".

May 10th, 1996: Steve Forbes would declare he would endorse Senator Phil Gramm for the Republican nomination, calling on all the other candidates to drop out and supporter Gramm for the nomination. Pat Buchanan would say that he would stay in all the way to the convention.

May 14th, 1996: Nebraska and West Virginia would cast it's vote for the frontrunners Sam Nunn of the Democrats and Phil Gramm of the Republicans. Pat Buchanan would continue with his insurgent campaign but was lucky to get around 20%-25% of the vote.

June 4th, 1996: Four primaries would be held to effectively finish the primary season for the Democrats and the Republicans. Nunn and Gramm would sweep Alabama, Montana, New Jersey and New Mexico with strong showings. Gramm would surprisingly win Montana with about 65% of the vote to Buchanan's 35%.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on October 09, 2008, 09:11:01 PM
June 16th, 1996: The first round voting for the Russian Presidency would have incumbent Boris Yeltsin against the major grassroots supported Communist Party leader Gennady Zyuganov would do fairly well but with a huge monetary backing behind Yeltsin's campaign, this would whittle down Zyuganov's lead and would pull out a slight win of 34% to 33%.

July 3rd, 1996: The Second Round for the Russian Presidential Election would have a divided nation. With an ailing economy, a war in Chechnya and much more but with a strong campaign and picking up much needed endorsements was Yeltsin able to pull out a reelection against Gennady Zyuganov to a 50% to 43% victory.

July 12th, 1996: With the upcoming Republican Convention, Sam Nunn would announce his Vice President choice at a rally in Pennsylvania. The choice would be Senator Bob Kerrey of Nebraska and this would have been widely perceived as what would happen and Ross Perot and Gramm would begin to call this a "Devilish Bargin".

July 19th, 1996: The Summer Games of the 26th Olympiad would be opened in Atlanta, Georgia. President Ross Perot and several members of his cabinet would appear at the summer games along with other politicans around the world from the home countries attending. The 26th Olympiad would come as Interim President Perizeau would say that Quebec would compete in the next Olympics as they weren't ready for the summer games.

July 21st, 1996: The Republic of Quebec would suffer it's first major natural disaster as severe flooding would occur on the Saguenay River and it would be one of the worst in Quebec history. Quebecois Interim President Jacques Parizeau would call on quick relief and aid for the effected region. Quebec would also call on some international aid and Canada would give some aid along with neighboring US.

July 20th-25th, 1996: The Republican Convention would convene in San Diego, California becoming the first convention in southern California as the banners would call for a "Sail to Victory 96'". The presumptive and soon to be official nominee Phil Gramm would be nominated and would choose his vice president at the convention and a suprise choice would come from Governor Pete Wilson of California would be nominated as Gramm's VP.

July 27th, 1996: The "Centennial Bombing" would occur at the Atlanta games as Robert Rudolph would set off a bomb in Centennial Olympic Park. The attack of terrorism would kill two and injure 111 people, President Perot would call this "An act of evil" and that the terrorists would be tracked down to the fullest extent of the law.

August 18th-19th, 1996: The Reform Coalition would easily renominate Ross Perot  and nominate David Boren for Vice President in the symbolic St. Louis, Missouri where east and west meet. This would be a celebratory day as the Perot/Boren ticket would gain more momentum in polling as they led over the Democrats and the Republicans.

August 26th-29th, 1996: The Democratic Convention would be held in Chicago and it would be the first time since the tumultuous 1968 Convention. With Nunn on his way to be officially nominated, a "Draft Feingold" campaign sprang up and were able to put his name into the ballot for the nomination for the Democratic Party. Feingold himself had come to blows with the majority of the Democratic party after many said he was to close to President Perot and in there eyes, Feingold was a traitor and this would prove there point. Nunn and Kerrey would easily win the nominations against the "Choose Feingold" campaign and other perennial candidates.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on December 06, 2008, 11:00:24 PM
Any chance of this TL, being continued, I found it to be utterly fascinating


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on December 09, 2008, 09:55:20 PM
September 5th, 1996: After his support from the "Choose Feingold" ballot at the Democratic Convention, Russ Feingold would announce that he would campaign for President Ross Perot for reelection. Feingold would sight that "Even with President Perot and I don't see eye to eye, I see him as a way to move America forward". This is seen as a continual split of the liberal and progressives from supporting the conservative Sam Nunn.

September 25th, 1996: The first presidential debate would be held in Washington University of St. Louis, Missouri. The debate would hold all three candidates from Nunn, Perot and Gramm and the issues would be majorly about issues inside the United States borders (terrorism, abortion, gun control, etc.) and would have a large tune in and viewers would see a show. When abortion was brought up Nunn would call it unjust and would bring up ideas of a amendment to the constitution banning abortion, Perot would quickly attack saying that "Women have the right to choose or has Washington messed you up that bad to see that!" this would rage until the moderator would bring order again. Polling would have Perot win the debate by a large margin as Nunn was trailing and Gramm was a distant third.

September 29th, 1996: The "Airline Armor" Act as it was called would be passed by a slim vote by Congress. Many called this a "fruitless idea" and "another way to spend" but the idea was at least noble, it would have the cockpits of airlines have there doors be armored in a sense that no one would be able to attack the pilots, the main ideas came from Energy Secretary Nader and President Perot after talks about strengthening the US about possible terrorist attacks in the future.

October 1st, 1996: On an interview with CNN, Democratic nominee Sam Nunn would stress that the US needs to be more internationalist and deal with the possible weapon caches in Iraq and the Kosovo War, Nunn said that "This nation needs to know what's going on in the world and not the protectionist way that President Perot has led up".

October 1st, 1996: The second presidential debate would be held in Hartford, Connecticut and it would center on foreign policy. The key issue would be if the United States should have a more interventionist agenda in the international seen. Sam Nunn would call for this and for America to come out of it's shell as President Perot would call this a bad idea to "police the world" in a sense and both Gramm and Nunn would attack Perot for his protectionist stance on some foreign policy. The debate would be won by Nunn with Perot in a mild second and Gramm would come in with more support in third place.

October 2nd, 1996: The Electronic Freedom of Information Act is passed that would guarantee that Americans would be guaranteed to some of the governments information be open to the public. President Perot would call this a step forward and would call on State Legislatures to pass similar laws in there respective states.

October 6th, 1996: The Vice Presidential debates would be held in St. Petersburg, Florida and the issue would be a variation and one of the continual questions would be that "are you ready to be President if anything were to happen to the incumbent?" and all through out the debate it was close but David Boren began to pull ahead of Kerrey and Wilson and would win it with a fair margin of victory as Kerrey and Wilson were about tied for second place.

October 16th, 1996: The third and final debate before the Election in November would be held in San Diego, California and it was somewhat chaotic and it would also be close as Perot would battle it out against Nunn and Gramm having gained strength in the last in the other debates would try to make a play to win the last presidential debate. The debate came down to a slim margin as Nunn rang out "We need to stop the enemies to freedom in the world, not what President Perot had done" and even as some had said Nunn talks "grumpy" the polling after the debate had Nunn with more percent that he knew more issues, the debate would go down as a tie between Nunn, Perot and Gramm.

October 25th, 1996: The very last Presidential Poll would show a suprise as Perot would lead by 36%, Nunn would have 34% and Gramm would have 29% and other parties would have only 1% of the vote. This closeness has been building over the campaigning and the debates as a worry and fervency was in the air as Republicans saw this as a way to climb above the terrible numbers from 1992, as Democrats wanted Perot out of office immediately and Perot was trying to create a legacy of sorts and a working third party for the United States.

Next: The Presidential Election of 1996!


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on December 10, 2008, 09:13:33 PM
Great Reply, I can wait to see how the elections turn out...Keep it comming.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on December 11, 2008, 08:06:31 PM
November 4th, 1996: A day before the election, the final polls and the map as it stands on the eve of the election was still showing that the election was up in the air as President Perot was popular but was suprisingly not leading enough to be elected to a second term and with the lingering idea's of a split election was all the possible this year.

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Perot: 116 EV, Nunn: 53 EV, Gramm: 54 EV



November 5th, 1996: Election Day was upon the nation as Americans went to cast there all to needed votes for President. The United States would have a good voter turnout, leveling in the high 50's and soon votes flowed in. Most would head to Perot as he began to rack up electoral votes early on and some saw this as his comeback and possible win his second term but things wound down as vote splitting gave some states to Nunn and after a fierce election it came down to Delaware and Indiana which would go to Nunn and Graham respectively. The results were so close for Perot to gain the 269 magic number but soon the results would head towards the House where a dirty battle would begin to gain the White House.

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Ross Perot/David Boren: 266 EV 36% PV

Sam Nunn/Bob Kerrey: 199 EV 34% PV

Phil Gramm/Pete Wilson: 77 EV 29%

Other (Libertarian, US Taxpayers, etc): 0 EV 1% PV


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on December 11, 2008, 10:03:42 PM
January 6th, 1997: The new Congress would convene to have a contingent election to decide the President and Vice President. It would be bitter as the Republicans were split as "Grammites" or Republicans that were against Perot would support the Gramm/Wilson ticket as many other Republicans that had worked with the Perot Administration over the past four years would call out to support an electable ticket and back the Perot/Boren ticket but this split would lead to a downfall of sorts. This split would have the growing Reform Coalition with only there now 30+ seats in the House and there Republicans supporters as this would lead to a suprise as Sam Nunn would be elected as the 43rd President of the United States of America. The Senate would take the suprising note and after a decision between Bob Kerrey and David Boren, Boren would become the next Vice President. Pundits and President Perot were surprised by the turn of events that led to the election of Sam Nunn but it happened as soon the Nunn Administration would begin.

January 14th, 1997: A leak about cabinet appointments for the Nunn Administration would spark some intrigue and confusion as Colin Powell would be retained from the Perot Administration as State Secretary, So would Ann Richards and Norman Mineta keep there posts and after haggling Ralph Nader would keep his position as Energy Secretary but Nunn would decide to several of his own cabinet members as Roy Romer would be chosen as the new Agriculture Secretary and the Attorney General choice would be former Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton.

January 20th, 1997: Samuel Augustus Nunn Jr would be sworn in officially as the 43rd President of the US, David Lyle Boren would be sworn in as the 46th Vice President. President Nunn would declare in his Inaugural Speech that the "United States will fulfill a strong internationalist means of foreign policy" and one ringing phrase would become an unofficial slogan of sorts for the Nunn Administration, "A Strong America...".

January 21st, 1997: Former Vice Presidential nominee Bob Kerrey would be officially nominated for the position of Defense Secretary in the Nunn Cabinet to replace the now vacated position by David Boren.

January 22nd, 1997: After renomination's and new nominations for cabinet seats would come to the much speculated Attorney General post by Bill Clinton and Republicans and some Reform Coalitionists would be quick to bring up the sex scandal during the 1992 Presidential Election and also the Whitewater scandal over the real estate dealings of Bill and Hillary Clinton in Arkansas. This was a circus show to many as the nomination of Bill Clinton would stretch for five days.

January 23rd, 1997: On the third day of the nomination process, Bill Clinton would declare before Congress that his estate dealings in Arkansas weren't unlawful and the disturbing shots at his wife where disgraceful. This would begin to mark a turning point in the American support for the nomination of Clinton for Attorney General.

January 25th, 1997: William Jefferson Clinton of Arkansas would finally be nominated for the cabinet level position of Attorney General. Scandal rocked the nominating process and after the ridicule and satirizing by the media and the late night shows it would come to a final end.

February 4th, 1997: O.J. Simpson would be found liable in civil court for the death of Ron Goldman and for the battery of Nicole Brown Simpson. Simpson is ordered to pay $35,000,000 in damages to the families of the two victims.

February 10th, 1997: The United States Army would suspends Sergent Major Gene C. McKinney, one of it's top-ranking enlisted soldier, after hearing allegations of sexual misconduct. President Nunn would condemn McKinney's actions as "disgraceful".

February 20th, 1997: President Nunn would bar any funding on research on human cloning and would call it "immoral" in his eyes but still some would try to convince Nunn otherwise but it failed.

March 7th, 1997: The Former Soviet Republics Arms Reduction Act of 1997(FSRAR or SRAR) would add onto Nunn's cosponsored Nunn–Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction(CTR) act in 1991 and would give extra funds to the former Soviet Republic's to dismantle and also stop and track weapons of mass destruction. In closed chats there would be plans if things needed to be a military incursion to stop WMD's from escaping the grasp of the former Soviet Republic's was not off the table.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on December 12, 2008, 12:46:58 AM
Hmm, a President Nunn after the election went to the house is a very interesting a touch. It will be very interesting to see how effective he is at governing as a minority president as well as the first Democrat to "win" the Presidency in twenty years. Also, it seems that we truly have an bipartisan cabinent, how will that play in the future conflicts to come...Keep it comming.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Robespierre's Jaw on December 12, 2008, 04:30:49 AM
Bob Kerrey wouldn't be able to swing Nebraska in Sam Nunn's favour, even if it were a three man race for the Presidency of the United States. Nor for a fact would numerous Vice Presidential candidates, for example John Edwards in 2004 for John Kerry, Jack Kemp in 1996 for Bob Dole, etc.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on December 12, 2008, 08:38:04 AM
Bob Kerrey wouldn't be able to swing Nebraska in Sam Nunn's favour, even if it were a three man race for the Presidency of the United States. Nor for a fact would numerous Vice Presidential candidates, for example John Edwards in 2004 for John Kerry, Jack Kemp in 1996 for Bob Dole, etc.
Alright I'll take your advice and thanks.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on December 17, 2008, 06:10:41 PM
So when's the next update due?


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on December 18, 2008, 10:11:42 PM
Sorry I forgot but I have one nearly finished and it'll be up tomorrow.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on December 19, 2008, 04:40:10 PM
May 1st, 1997: After eighteen years of Conservative Party leadership, Prime Minister John Major would be "thrown out" as the Conservatives lost a huge number of seats which would be over 140. The Labors and Liberal Democrats gained from this and Tony Blair of the constituency of Sedgefield would become Prime Minister and vow to work with the new American Administration.

May 15th, 1997: The United States government acknowledges the existence of a "Secret War" in Laos and dedicates the Laos Memorial in honor of Hmong and other "Secret War" veterans.

May 16th, 1997: United States President Sam Nunn would issues a formal apology to the surviving victims of the "Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male" and to their families. President Nunn would call it a "Time of Backwards" and would say that the government and as a figurehead for it, the President was "apologetic" for the mistreatment.

May 27th, 1997: The Tax Reduction Act of 1997 would be easily passed with support from Democrats, Republicans and Reformists. The "TRA" bill as it was called would lower taxes for the American people in certain areas and this was hailed by many members in Congress.

June 1st, 1997: The trial of the homegrow terrorists in the Oklahoma City Bombing in 1995 would occur as they would be triad for the attacks that caused nearly 200 deaths and they would be found easily guilty and sentenced the death penalty.

June 6th, 1997: Stricter sanctions would be implaced against Iraq and it's regime under Saddam Hussein. This call for "A new regime change" would be planned out with President Nunn, State Secretary Powell, Vice President David Boren and UN Ambassador Madeleine Albright would be the major drafters of the "containment" of Iraq.

June 11th, 1997: On "Larry King Live" former President Ross Perot would be the star guest and King and Perot would talk over the issues until getting to the subject of the conviction of the terrorists for the "OK City Bombing" and Perot would first say "Well, finally the people who did this are going to be tried and the families can see some justice for there loved ones that lost there lives that day..".

June 17th, 1997: In contrast to the containment policies implaced by the Nunn Administration, Iraqi regime leader Saddam Hussein would say in the simplest form, "Let them try, let them condem us, we will rise over them". This would continue to arose suspicion of Iraq harboring WMD's inside it's borders and possibles of sending them to other neighboring nations.

August 31st, 1997: Diana, Princess of Wales, is taken to hospital after a car crash shortly after midnight in the Pont de l'Alma road tunnel in Paris. After the occupants are taken to the hospital it is confirmed that all occupants will live on account of the Pont de l'Alma road tunnel having guard railing after French President Jospin was able to pass road reform and security measures.

September 13th, 1997: After nearly two weeks in the hospital, Princess Diana would be released from the hospital. Diana would have condolences from Prime Minister Tony Blair, President Sam Nunn and President Lionel Jospin and an adoring public would greet Diana on her way out of the hospital.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on December 20, 2008, 12:54:30 PM
Hmm, Good Installment can't wait to see how Nunn,Boren, Powell and Albright team due in the face of the Kosovo Crisis, and Bin Laden's attack on the Cole...Keep it comming


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on January 01, 2009, 11:38:25 PM
Any updates on TTL or is it offically on Ice lol?


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on February 16, 2009, 04:45:58 PM
October 5th, 1997: Democrats in Congress would bring up the Campaign Finance bill that was passed under President Perot. Some Democrats would say to scrap the bill altogether as the remainder of allied Democrats, Reformers and Republicans say mainly that what could be summed up by Reform Party House Minority Leader Tim Penny saying "I think we can work together to work out the problems, we don't need to destroy a good idea that helps make elections more fair..".

October 9th, 1997: After a long struggle either to leave the Democratic Party or stay, Senator Russ Feingold of Wisconsin would announce that he would be leaving the Democratic Party and would sit as the first Reform Coalition Party Senator in Congress. The last straw for Feingold would be the Campaign Finance issue.

October 14th, 1997: Continual debate over Campaign Finance continues through Congress as a final solution is created. The bill will be looked over by a newly created bipartisan Congressional committee, the Bipartisan Campaign Finance Reform Committee(BCFRC).

December 10th, 1997: State Undersecretary Richard Holbrooke would bring news that the Iraqi Regime under Saddam Hussein could be giving secrets about nuclear technology to Middle Eastern insurgents. This news would worry President Nunn.

January 4th, 1998: A flashpoint in the Iraq Disarmament crisis occurs as a "Dragon Lady" or it's official title, the Lockheed U-2 would go down and crash in the northern region of Iraq after the President and the CIA ramped up U-2 flybys over the Hussein Regime's domain.

January 5th, 1998: The Dragon Lady flashpoint would continue as Saddam Hussein would call that they would gun down any other U-2 that fly over the Iraqi nation. This threat was seen as the first steps to invasion.

January 7th-8th, 1998: After only several days, the "Dragon Lady Flash" as it was called by some would dominate the headlines and also President Nunn's mind and the Administrations worries. President Nunn would agree to State Secretary Colin Powell's proposed trip to Kuwait to rally support in the nation and to affirm to the Kuwaitian people that the US would stand by them if Saddam Hussein would throw the Iraqi military at the small nation.

January 9th-10th, 1998: State Secretary would meet with Emir of Kuwait and the next day the Prime Minister Shiek Saad Al-Abdullah Al-Salim Al-Sabah. These meetings would inflame rage from Saddam Hussein.

January 13th, 1998: After a five day stay in the nation of Kuwait, State Secretary Colin Powell would take his limo to the awaiting airport to be sped off back to the United States, but this wouldn't be. As the limo made it's way to the airport, the limo would explode, killing Powell and all who were in the limo with him. President Nunn and the Administration was in shock and would vow everything to find who did this.

January 14th, 1998: The American people would watch as a crude video of the limo explosion in Kuwait of the "Powell Crisis" on every national TV as newscasters of all sorts reported on this. Working with the branches of Intelligence, the Nunn Administration would try and find the culprit of what they called "A cruel and unjustified attack upon the nation, an great American hero and his beloved family...".

January 15th, 1998: President Nunn would make an emergency speech in front of the American people as he would talk about the Dragon Lady flashpoint but mainly about the current Powell death. He would then say that they have linked the Iraqi regime under Saddam Hussein. From his speech the words "The slaughter of Kurds and Americans must not go unheeded, we must and shall act...". Congress would then vote on an declaration of war against Iraq, the vote would pass through and the Second Gulf War would be underway.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on February 16, 2009, 08:43:55 PM
Great installment Andy; Its good to see this old timeline back up again and running...Maybe you should think about moving the thread to the Election What-If's as thats where a majority of the actual timelines are held, and you probablly get some more replies that away. Anways...Having Powell killed really does make things interesting, as the Powell Strategy that was so "successful" in OTL's first Gulf War probably wont be implemented again. With an earlier Iraq war, this could radically shape the outlook of the 2000 election...Can't wait to see which Republicans and Reform Coalitioners through their hat into the race in '99. Also can we get an indepth look at Nunn's cabinet?


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on February 17, 2009, 04:44:05 PM
January 16th-18th, 1998: A new coalition of nations that was formed by President Nunn in the wake of the threat that Iraq may pose, would begin the Second Gulf War with Operation: Desert Rain. The "Powell Doctrine" and a copy of the "Powell Plan" that would be used by Central Command leader Anthony Zinni would ferment a leading plan to face Iraq. The first engagements would be extensive bombing campaigns into the Iraqi nation. During the air strike, a number of coalition fighters were shot down by Iraqi radar guided missiles.

January 20th-21st, 1998: In the United States a circus is emergence as Attorney General Bill Clinton of Arkansas has mistresses Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky come forward and say that they had sexual intercourse with the Attorney General. Secretary Clinton would deny this saying "I did not do it..." flatly to reporters.

January 21st, 1998: The majority of the coalition ground forces would begin to roll into southern Iraq and easily make pace and set up a main base of activities in the southern portion of the Iraqi nation. General Anthony Zinni would declare that "We have drawn a line in the sand, not let's move forward..".

January 22nd, 1998: President Nunn and Defense Secretary Bob Kerrey would issue that any remaining EF-111 Raven's must come out of retirement to defend Coalition air forces.

January 23rd, 1998: Coalition, mainly US and British strategic bombers would rain down destruction upon major infrastructure areas in the central and the remaining southern portions of Iraq still under the control of the Republican Guard. This supoperation would be called "Desert Fox" after German field marshal Erwin Rommel.

January 24th, 1998: The Clinton Scandal continues as Bill Clinton's wife Hillary goes onto the Today Show and say "The right wingers have always been after my husband".

January 29th, 1998: Republicans in Congress bring up impeachment charges against Attorney General Bill Clinton on the basic of his "womanizing" though Democrats said that wasn't enough, Republicans had a semi majority but it would be left to the Reform Coalition members in Congress to decide to bring impeachment against Clinton.

February 4th, 1998: Enough Coalitionists (Reform Coalition members) support to have impeachment hearings and ultimately a vote on to remove Clinton from office, this would have some backlash on the Nunn Administration as Nunn's approval ratings were in the mid to high 70's and would take a small dive, about 2 points because of the "Clinton Circus".

February 6th, 1998: Coalition forces begins to found the "Free Iraq" or a transition nation-state in the liberated areas of the country from the Hussein Regime. This would gain cheers internationally and in Iraq but would have many Iraqi's weary of the international sway that foreign powers had on this "Free Iraq".

February 9th, 1998: The first days of the impeachment hears for Attorney General Bill Clinton begin as Monica Lewinsky would go onto morning shows and would "regail" as some called it about her involvement with the cabinet member. Many pundits would call Clinton "damaged goods" as his talks about maybe running for President in possibly 2004 would crumble for the time being.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on February 17, 2009, 10:50:43 PM
Hmm, Im suprised ol slick willie wouldn't resign in the face of the impeachment trial...This will probably end any chance of Hillary of winning office in her own right. JFK Jr for his late uncle's New York Senate Seat in 2000 perhaps?


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on February 24, 2009, 05:13:29 PM
February 7th-22nd, 1998: The 1998 Olympic Winter Games would commence in Salt Lake City, Utah. Both the Mayor of SLC Deedee Corradini and Utah Governor Michael Leavitt. Another guest would be Massachusetts Senator Mitt Romney, who would gain some interest and some of the spotlight for a short while on the national stage.

February 10th-12th, 1998: After pressure from the impeachment and from many people calling for Clinton to resign. Bill Clinton would sadly step down as Attorney General. Finally the "Clinton Circus" was over as the blight on the Nunn Administration began to dissipate for now. Congressman would then begin to call for a "truth mission" with a number of President Nunn's cabinet members. Although with some objections, the "search" of sorts would begin.

March 11th, 1998: The Danish Parliamentary election of 1998 would spell the election of a new government, one that would be of a center-right stance and would have Uffe Ellemann-Jensen become Prime Minister.

March 16th, 1998: Defense Secretary Bob Kerrey would have investigations placed against him after surprisingly his past came to haunt him. What became known as the Thang Phong Massacre would be brought up as Congressman would bring up this memory after there "truth mission" for President Nunn's cabinet members.

March 18th, 1998: Defense Secretary Kerrey would say in a White House conference that " You can never, can never get away from it. It darkens your day. I thought dying for your country was the worst thing that could happen to you, and I don't think it is. I think killing for your country can be a lot worse". This would ultimately save any possible major charges for impeachment against Kerrey.

April 4th, 1998: A group of coalition soldiers would "stumble" onto small bases that would contain numerous chemical bombs. The US and the coalition forces would quickly take these into custody.

May 23rd, 1998: The "Zinni Plan" would continue to prove it's effectiveness as coalition forces continue there march through the Iraqi nation. The regime leader Saddam Hussein would continue to spout that he would never give up to the "American hellions".

June 4th, 1998: President Nunn would object to some government officials calling for a strong "De-Baathification" on Iraqi civil services. Nunn would say that this Baathification was to extreme and would cut a large amount of the Iraqi civil service and could drastically hurt the chances of setting up a democracy in Iraq.

June 19th-21st, 1998: Coalition forces would arrive finally at the capitol of Baghdad. There would be a drawn out battle to the city and in the city. As the major fighting died for a short time, an US reporter would catch the US soldiers raising the United Nations  and American flags. A boost to President Nunn's ratings would soon follow.

August 7th, 1998: Bombings occur on the United States embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya. This attack would kill over 200 and injure over 4,500. These terrible attacks would soon be linked to the Saudi Arabian exile, a man called Osama bin Laden.

August 20th, 1998: The United States military forces would launch cruise missile attacks against the Al-Qaeda terrorist network in Afghanistan. Suspected chemical plants in Sudan would also be hit by the cruise missiles in this counter strike.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on February 25, 2009, 07:24:20 PM
So was the coalition expanded into Afgahnistan, or was that a sole American operation? Also I assume Saddam will eventually be captured and tried for war crimes. After the successful operation, I assume that Nunn's approval ratings will remain pretty high as well as the economy should be faring simmilar to that of OTL, so it will be interesting to see how the GOP and the Reform coalition parties run against such a popular president


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on February 26, 2009, 04:35:52 PM
So was the coalition expanded into Afgahnistan, or was that a sole American operation? Also I assume Saddam will eventually be captured and tried for war crimes. After the successful operation, I assume that Nunn's approval ratings will remain pretty high as well as the economy should be faring simmilar to that of OTL, so it will be interesting to see how the GOP and the Reform coalition parties run against such a popular president

The bombings into Afghanistan were just mainly solo as in OTL but Nunn got some flack by some of the Coalition nations but nothing that effects the Second Gulf War. The economy is virtually the same and I'm still pondering who the Republicans and Reformers will nominate come 2000. Thanks for also reading my TL and I hope you continue to enjoy it. :)


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on February 28, 2009, 12:39:11 AM
September 26th, 1998: President Nunn and many other politicians and military leaders would echo the same tune, "The major front of this war is coming to a close, now we must rebuild..." would sum up the Second Gulf War as rebuilding would become more of an objective and the capture and eventual trial of Saddam Hussein.

October 7th, 1998: The Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension or the "Mickey Mouse Act" beat down in Congress after Reformers and Republicans said it "Wasn't adequate" as a bill.

October 9th-13th, 1998: Prime Minister of Canada, Jean Chretien would be shot as he was leaving a conference upon Quebecois-Canadian relations. This attach would be linked to several extremely radical cells of the otherwise more peaceful organization "All Of Quebec" or AOQ. This would cause a backlash at the AOQ as Quebecois and Canadians would unite against the organization. Prime Minister Chretien would be only grazed and would survive.

November 3rd, 1998: Congressional/Gubernational Elections - Separate post for this

November 20th-21st, 1998: An Taliban court in Afghanistan declares accused terrorist Osama Bin Laden that he is "A man without sin.." upon regards to the bombings on the US embassies in Kenya and Sudan. President Nunn would say to "keep an eye" on Bin Laden.

November 30th, 1998: The Quebec Republic General Elections would be held as incumbent President Jacques Parizeau would be elected to fulfill a full term of office in his own right quite easily. Only the Liberal Party and the Equality Party were the major competetors in the election and would loose by a fair margin.

December 3rd, 1998: The news that Saddam Hussein was captured was easily celebrated. The Nunn Administration was at an all time high in popularity and it seemed that the Second Gulf War was near the end. State Secretary Richard Holbrooke would say that "the wounds can now heal and Iraq can finally get it's full attention on rebuilding.

December 16th, 1998: "Grammites" as they where called, would call for the resignation of Newt Gingrich as Speaker of the House after their losses in the Congressional Elections of 1998. This would at first go unheeded as several Grammites would vie for Congressional power positions.

December 27th, 1998: Several Grammites would tackle Gingrich and would try and wrestle the Speakership from him. These attempts would ultimately fail but would galvanize certain factions in the Republican Party against Gingrich and the major supporters of the former Perot Administration.

January 8th-13th, 1999: Soon after the start of the 106th United States Congress, tension ran high among the Republicans and this reared it's head in a terrible way. An angry deranged man would assassinate Newt Gingrich in anger of him "being a traitor to the nation". The deranged man would quickly be locked away as the Congress was shooken and soon after Gingrich resigned from the Speakership to re-couperate but for the time being still be Congressman. Two failed assassination attempts would be a suprise, Chretein in Canada and now Gingrich in the US and this would show the growing radical factions in their nations.

January 19th-20th, 1999: After a long move to choose the new Speaker, Bob Livingston of Louisiana would be designated as the Speaker-Elect but sexual misconduct doomed this and Dick Armey of Texas would become the new Speaker and would say that "Union in are party is the only solution" in his short speech to Congress.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Hash on February 28, 2009, 06:45:24 AM
The PQ would have split following independence into a right-wing PQ and left-wing PQ.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on February 28, 2009, 11:54:19 AM
Solid Installment...Looks like Nunn has his reelection ticket in the bag now.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on February 28, 2009, 12:50:06 PM
The PQ would have split following independence into a right-wing PQ and left-wing PQ.
Alright thanks, so what would Jacques Parizeau be allied with and what would be some of the possible candidates to run against him?


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on March 02, 2009, 01:29:50 PM
Layout of the Congressional Elections of 1998 and Other

House Layout

The House would have a continual growth of the Reform Coalition but it wouldn't be as big as many had thought as Democrats swept a number of races and took control of the Senate and was close to tacking the House as Reformers were the only thing hold the Republicans in a majority. This was seen as a coming end for Gingrich and the "Contract with America".

House:
Republicans: 203 (-8)
Democrats: 178 (+5)
Reform Coalition: 54 (+4)

Senate Layout

The Senate would go the Democrats as the Nunn Administration was high in popularity and this would rub off on Democrats and aid there Senatorial takeover. The only real lose came when Warren Beatty won a Senate Seat against incumbent Barbara Boxer as an Reform Coalitionist and in a suprise, Whip Harry Reid would loose his seat to John Ensign in an upset.

Senate:
Democrats: 53 (+4)
Republicans: 45 (-5)  
Reform Coalition: 2 (+1)

Gubernational Layout

Several races would be close as the Reform Coalition put more of their funds into Gubernational races than anything else. The Reforms would see their national prospects grow as Rufus King was reelected as a Coalitionist in Maine, Jesse Ventura was elected with a little over 40% of the vote in Minnesota and Aaron Russo would be elected as an Republican-Reform Coalitionist in Nevada. Bob Bullock would loose his run for reelection against George W. Bush, former 1994 opponent as Reformer BJ Kennedy, the Reform Coalition state chairmen would run for Governor and take a little over 10% of the vote. Republicans would hold a majority of the Governorships after the 1998 Gubernational elections.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on March 02, 2009, 02:56:19 PM
February 7th, 1999: King Hussein of Jordan would die from cancer, and his son Abdullah II would be the one to inherit the throne. Abdullah II would say that he would still support the United States and the coalition forces in Iraq.

February 22nd, 1999: Moderate Shiite Iraqi Mohammad M. Sadep al-Sadr would be implaced in the Transitional Iraqi Government. Some would be outraged but for the most part the "Sardist" supporters of reform and other groups would cheer this.

March 1st, 1999: The Convention on the Prohibition of Anti-Personnel Mines would come into force. The first scheduled meeting of the supporting nations would be set in April of 1999 and every following year. Princess Diana, a major backer of the effort, would be one of the major speakers at the upcoming April meeting.

March 17th, 1999: Steve Forbes would declare his candidacy, making him the first candidate to do so. The former 1996 challenger would declare his candidacy also on the internet, saying "You and I are entering the information age -- and the Washington politicians are stuck in the Stone Age."

March 24th, 1999: As the Second Gulf War begins to die down, the attentions of the United States and NATO in particular would turn to the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, which had refused to sign a peace treaty and the Nunn Administration had been gathering information on the nation about the genocides occurring in Kosovo. The United States and NATO would try to hold out for a short time longer to try for a last reason with the Yugoslavian leaders.

March 27th, 1999: After talks continually degraded, an NATO led US forces would launch air strikes against Yugoslavia. This marked the first time NATO has attacked a sovereign nation.

March 30th, 1999: British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook would make a small international gaffe as he would say that "Nunn has to lead everyone from one fire to another...". This being an comment of the war in Iraq and the fight in Yugoslavia would make a scene and President Nunn would rebuff this easily.

April 1st, 1999: An homeland for the Inuit would be officially cemented after many talks through the years would finally produce Nunavut from the Northwestern Territories. Nunavut would become the fourth Canadian territory, the others being the Yukon Territory, the Northwestern Territories and the Cree Homeland Territory

April 7th, 1999: Governor John Ellis "Jeb" Bush of Florida would declare his candidacy for the Republican nomination in 2000. Bush would call for "kind and compassionate conservatism" and "a strong leadership and unity" for the Republican Party come November.

April 18th, 1999: Former Undersecretary of Education Gary Bauer would declare his candidacy for the Republican Nomination. Bauer's candidacy would be centered on social issues than any other thing and would be the third candidate to declare their candidacy.

June 16th, 1999: After a short time of fighting, Yugoslavia would sign a peace treaty with NATO to end the fighting and also would bring an end for the time being for the Kosovo War.

June 27th, 1999: Alan Keyes would make another run for the Republican nomination. The 1996 former candidate would call for strong family values and strong taxation reforms.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on March 02, 2009, 03:29:08 PM
August 20th, 1999: The Reform Coalition Party Chairmen would declare that for the 2000 Reform Coalition Nomination would have several primaries and a dozen or so caucuses to help choose the nominee and delegates to the nomination in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

August 25th, 1999: President Samuel Nunn would announce that he would of course run for the nomination of the Democratic Party for reelection. There would be no true opposition candidates, only Lyndon LaRouche would be the other candidate and would make an easy cruise to renomination. The big question would be who would be Nunn's VP candidate and Nunn would say that "When the nomination is clinched that you'll know, until then...".

September 2nd, 1999: After weighing the options, Pat Buchanan would declare his candidacy for the Republican nomination once again. Sighting that after his strong 1996 showing that 2000 was the perfect year for him.

September 11th, 1999: Governor Arlen Spector would declare his candidacy for the Republican nomination on the calls that he was the only moderate candidate for the running and there needed to be someone to speak for the middleman.

October 1st, 1999: Governor Jesse Ventura of Minnesota would declare his candidacy for the Reform Coalition nomination. Governor Ventura would say that "It's time for some straight talk to the American people..". Ventura would be crowned the frontrunner for the Reform Coalition nomination.

December 7th, 1999: Ralph Forbes, former Reform Coalition candidate that ran against Asa Hutchinson and won nearly 30% of the vote, would declare his candidacy for the Reform Coalition nomination and saying he would run as the man from the conservative side of the party. Forbes would be called more of a favorite son-esque candidate as his only real chances of winning a primary would be in the Reform Coalition Arkansas Caucus.

December 31st, 1999: Russian President Boris Yeltsin would resign from the Russian Presidency. Yeltsin would say "I want to beg forgiveness for your dreams that never came true. And also I would like to beg forgiveness not to have justified your hopes." Prime Minister Vladimir Putin would afterwards become acting President.

January 22nd, 2000: Energy Secretary Ralph Nader would say that he wasn't running for the Reform Coalition nomination this election year and would say that he was instead endorsing Jesse Ventura for the nomination. Secretary Nader soon after would be called a possible VP candidate and also a possible 2004 candidate for the Coalitionist nomination.

January 24th, 2000: The Iowa Caucus for the Republican and Democratic candidates would be held on the 24th and would have President Nunn taking Iowa easily, as for the Republicans it was more of a fight. Steve Forbes would carry Iowa with 35% of the vote against Jeb Bush who came close to winning with 33%. There would also be the Alaska Caucus held and would also have Forbes win.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on March 03, 2009, 12:41:34 AM
Hmm...Forbes vs. Bush in the primaries should be pretty interesting. I think Ann Richards,Douglas Wilder or possibly one of the Kennedy kids would all be strong choices for Nunn's running mate, that's if he doesn't stick with Boren...Why didn't McCain or Liddy Dole jump into the race? Also why didn't Ron Paul run for the Texas Governership with the popularity of the Reform Coalition? and as always Keep it comming


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on March 03, 2009, 08:46:15 AM
Hmm...Forbes vs. Bush in the primaries should be pretty interesting. I think Ann Richards,Douglas Wilder or possibly one of the Kennedy kids would all be strong choices for Nunn's running mate, that's if he doesn't stick with Boren...Why didn't McCain or Liddy Dole jump into the race? Also why didn't Ron Paul run for the Texas Governership with the popularity of the Reform Coalition? and as always Keep it comming

McCain didn't run because of the popularity of Nunn as a Bush running still (Jeb), well his major campaign is to try and bring up the electoral vote in the 2000 election higher than their 3rd place finish in 1996 and 1992 and he was also pushed into running basically. For Elizabeth Dole, her husbands loss and coupled with Nunn's popularity made her shy away from a 2000 run, as did other strong candidates but there still is always 04. In 1997, Paul did switch to the Reform Coalition but he would say that he wanted to focus on the Congressional election of 1998 to hold onto his seat in an attempt to show that he could win as a reformer, this basically preoccupied Paul but a run for Governor in 2002 and for President in 2004 are also possibilities.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on March 07, 2009, 12:30:59 AM
February 1st, 2000: In the New Hampshire Primary, Jeb Bush would pull out an easy double digit victory over Steve Forbes as Governor Spector would come in with nearly 15% of the vote. President Nunn would also easily win the primary with a huge landslide and Nunn would continue and win every single primary and caucus afterwards.

February 3rd, 2000: Gary Bauer would drop out of the Presidential race, sighting insufficient funds and support for his 2000 campaign. Bauer would then throw his support behind Jeb Bush for the nomination soon after.

February 8th, 2000: The Delaware Primary would be another victory for Forbes over Jeb Bush and it would be expected. Bush had put some money into the state only to bolster support as South Carolina and other primaries would be where Bushes war chest funds would be funneled at.

February 19th, 2000: South Carolina Primary would easily go to the more favored Jeb Bush. Pat Buchanan would have hoped to improve his numbers from 1996 but would only come in at third place and would say he was still running but funds and other things were lagging and many said that Buchanan's campaign was nearly dead.

February 22nd, 2000: Michigan and Arizona would hold there primaries and Bush would easily carry Michigan as Arizona was much more disputed. Bush had support from Hispanics, Conservatives and other minorities as Forbes had tried to stand on his victory in 1996 to win again in 2000. The votes were close but Bush won the Grand Canyon State and was crowned the frontrunner and gained much needed momentum.

February 29th, 2000: The Virginia and Washington primaries and the North Dakota caucus would be another major victory the Bush campaign as North Dakota, Virginia and Washington went to Bush and this slowed down Forbes support for the time being.

February 30th, 2000: Pat Buchanan would announce that he was suspending his campaign for the Republican Nomination and the 2000 Election. This suspension would be basically Buchanan's drop from the race that many had expected.

March 7th, 2000: Over a dozen primaries/caucuses would bring Super Tuesday to the Republican and Democratic candidates. (This will have it's own post)

March 10th, 2000: The Utah and Colorado would be blowouts for Jeb Bush as Bush came in with 60% in Colorado against Forbes 31%. Utah was a major loss to the Forbes camp as Keyes came in at second with 21% of the vote against Bush's 61%.

March 14th, 2000: The Florida Primary would be a cakewalk for both Jeb Bush and Sam Nunn as Nunn won with a huge landslide as Bush trounced his closest opponent Steve Forbes by a large gap of double digits.

March 18th, 2000: The Republic of China (Taiwan) Presidential Election of 2000 would have independent James Soong win in a close victory over Taipei Mayor and Democratic-Progressive candidate Chen Shui-bian. Kuomintang candidate Lien Chan would come in at a meager 3rd place with a little over 23% of the vote.

March 21st, 2000: The Illinois Primary would be Forbes last bet to reignite his campaign as he campaign furiously in the state. When the vote came it was better than some expected but Bush won over Forbes with 52% of the vote to Forbes 38% and Keyes 9%.

March 23rd, 2000: Steve Forbes would announce that he was dropping out of the race for the Republican nomination. Forbes would sight that the slowdown of wins in the primaries had crippled his campaign and said for the party to unite around Bush come November.

March 26th, 2000: Former Prime Minister and also former now acting President Vladimir Putin would be elected as Russia's President in there 2000 Presidential Election. Gennady Zyuganov of the Communists would only secure 30% of the vote against Putin would garnered 51% of the vote.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on March 07, 2009, 12:55:57 AM
March 7th, 2000 Primaries (Republican and Democratic)

Republicans:

California: Both candidates dipped into there war chests to try and have the Golden State under there belt as a win. Bush led by a fair margin over Forbes all the way up to the 7th when Jeb Bush won the coveted primary.

Connecticut: Forbes had won the primary in 1996 and hoped to do so again. This came easily but Bush crept up on Forbes and garnered 44% of the vote against Forbes.

Georgia: A large victory came from the safe Bush Primary as Bush racked up numerous endorsements and Forbes did little to put money in the state as well.

Maine: Another state that Forbes won in 1996 would go once again to him but in a small margin over Jeb Bush. These results would become common for the remainder of the March 7th primaries/caucuses as Forbes would under preform through out the spectrum.

Maryland: Forbes would make an attempt at the state but Bush would easily fend these off as Alan Keyes would nearly take 10% of the vote in his homestate. Bush would win with a little over 50% of the vote.

Massachusetts: Bush truly didn't have much support in primary before the vote as Forbes had led from the time to the vote and easily kept Bush in second place and Forbes won with a little over 60%.

Missouri: Jeb Bush would lead with a large support over Forbes and would quash him in the primary as Bush picked up 60% of the vote.

New York: The major state that Forbes used as a base for his campaign and would have led over Bush for the most part until Bush chipped away at it but Forbes won, it was close but he won with 49% of the vote.

Ohio: Bush handled Forbes easily in the Buckeye State and won 55% of the vote.

Rhode Island: One of the more staunch Forbes states in the March 7th primaries/caucuses as it would vote for him 62% of the vote against Bush's 34%.

Vermont: Another staunch Forbes state but Bush put some funds into the state to help in his support to try and break the 40% barrier against Forbes. Forbes won with 59% of the vote against Bush's 38%.

Minnesota: Bush won the North Star State with 54% of the vote against Forbes with 29% of the vote as Keyes surprisingly came in at a strong third place finish.

Washington: Bush won the state handidly with 60% of the vote against Forbes 36% and Keyes 3%.


Democratic: President Sam Nunn would go on to win every primary by huge margins over the weak opposition candidates.


Republican Results- (Map includes primary victory after March 7th)

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Jeb Bush
Steve Forbes


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on March 17, 2009, 02:39:39 PM
April 3rd, 2000: Incumbent Reform Coalition Vice President David Boren of Oklahoma would announce that he wouldn't be running with President Nunn on the Democratic ticket. This would start a storm of possible VP's for Nunn.

April 7th, 2000: President Samuel Nunn of Georgia would announce in an suprise announcement so soon after Boren's decline to be on the ticket with Nunn, Nunn would say that Representative from Massachusetts Joseph P. Kennedy II would be his choice for Vice President. This choice of Kennedy would suprise some as an strange choice but the Nunn/Kennedy would continue the surge of support with Nunn's approval ratings high in the 60's.

April 25th, 2000: The State of Vermont would pass "HB847" and would legalize Civil Unions for same-sex couples. Same-Sex Unions would slowly grow to be a campaign issue.

May 8th, 2000: After a long vetting process and after two names coming out a big possibles for Jeb Bush's runningmate as John Danforth and Elizabeth Dole would be the major names. Bush would come out to declare that Elizabeth Dole would be his runningmate, making her the first female VP for the Republican Party.

May 19th, 2000: Republican candidate for the New York Senate Seat Rudy Giuliani would bow out after much of his private life and health is flushed out. Giuliani would sight health as the number one cause of his bowing out and would have the Republicans search through several candidates to choose to now run against the Democratic contender John F. Kennedy Jr. This decision to choose the new Republican contender would come at the emergency convention in June.

May 20th, 2000: Newly inaugurated Republic of China President James Soong would say in his inaugural address that "Peace is needed in these unknown times".

May 26th, 2000: President Nunn and RC President Soong would meet and talk over the issue that plague the nation and also about the People's Republic of China. There would also be a photo op and would be used to bolster the Nunn campaigns use of that Nunn has broad international support.

June 2nd, 2000: Reform Coalition Primaries are held and they are an cake walk for Governor Ventura as every primary except Arkansas goes to him. The closest states would be Texas and Oklahoma as they were won by 10 points over Ralph Forbes.

July 31st-August 3rd, 2000: The Republican National Convention would convene also in the same city as the Reform Coalition's Convention was to be held Philadelphia. Governor John Ellis "Jeb" Bush would be easily nominated on the first ballot and his choice for VP, Elizabeth Dole would be chosen

August 14th-August 15th, 2000: The Reform Coalition Party National Convention would convene in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to  choose the Presidential nominee. The support was overwhelmingly towards Governor Ventura as the few opposition would vote for someone else or the radical conservative Ralph Forbes. After being nominated, Ventura would announce that Energy Secretary Nader would be his VP nominee.

August 29th, 2000: The trial of Saddam Hussein would begin as President Nunn had vowed to bring Hussein to justice and bring him to trial at the Hague. The Hussein Trial would give a boost in support for the President in popular support and support for the Nunn/Kennedy ticket.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on March 17, 2009, 08:27:00 PM
Hmm...A Nunn/Kennedy ticket, I didn't see that one coming...It be nice to a Kennedy back in the white house. the Bush/Dole ticket is a strong Conservative Ticket but with the popularity of Jesse Ventura it will probably reduce them to gaining only the Southern States in the electoral college. Itll be interesting to see how the atl 2000 turns out...Keep it comming


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on March 18, 2009, 01:41:57 PM
September 15th - October 1st, 2000: The 2000 Summer Olympics in Beijing, China would be a star studded event as the Olympics are both full of glamor and also outrage over the restrictions and the treatment of the Tibetan people. President Nunn would decide to boycott the opening ceremonies along with numerous other international leaders. There would be some attacks on Nunn by pro PRC Americans who would label Nunn "Taiwan-Sam" after his support of the Republic of China (Taiwan).

September 30th, 2000: An ad that would become infamous would gain national attention as the ad would have the money the Nunn campaign accepted from Atheist groups attacked because of this and would say "Sam Nunn.....Godless?..." at the end. This would send a firestorm of media attention over the ad ran by a conservative group. Links would be found to the Bush/Dole ticket soon after.

October 3rd, 2000: The first Presidential Debate would be held in Boston, Massachusetts and all three major candidates would attend. President Samuel Nunn of Georgia, Governor John E. "Jeb" Bush of Florida and Governor Jesse Ventura of Minnesota would make there case to the American people on mainly domestic issues as Bush and Ventura would shy away from Nunn's strong points in national security and international affairs. One of the higher points in the debate came when Bush would say "I believe Governor Ventura's radical solutions for domestics aren't anything the solutions the American people need...", Ventura countered and said "How is tax cuts for the rich going to solve everything?". The debate was bloody between Bush and Ventura as Nunn seemed to come off as above this and would win the debate easily.

October 5th, 2000: The three vice presidential candidates would convene at Center College in Danville, Kentucky to debate. The 90 minute debate would have each candidate tackle each other and the issues as Kennedy and Nader ganged up on Dole, Nader was called "an insane radical" as Dole nearly mouthed the words "Mr. Nader is a commu..." in the debate. Nader would actually play up his Energy Secretary position and call himself "A man of bipartisanship" as Kennedy would bat off the allegations from his personal life. The issues were varied as in one of the hugest upsets, Nader won the debate as Kennedy came in at second and Dole at a fair third.

October 9th, 2000: The USS The Sullivans would be attacked by an explosive laiden boat in port at Aden, Yemen. The attack would succeed and a dozen crewman would be killed in the attack and the attack would be traced back to the terrorist group Al-Qaeda. This would prompt President Nunn to put more money on observation of the terrorist group, especially trying to find the exact wereabouts of one of the leaders, Osama bin Laden.

October 11th, 2000: The second Presidential debate would convene in Winston-Salem, North Carolina and would have the three major candidates at an table with the moderator Jim Lehrer. Once again domestic issues were the center and would let the candidates delve into their plans and lay out there ideas to the American people on national television. The debate would not be as much of an battle royale between the candidates as the last presidential debate and would have Bush win the debate after many said he charmed a win from the people.

October 17th, 2000: The final Presidential debate would occur at Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri. The town hall format would play to varying advantages for the three major candidates as the Reform Coalition has always scored big in the town hall format as Perot had done extremely well in the 92' and 96' debates and Ventura hoped to do the same as Bush would try and "Talk Compassion" to the American people as Nunn would play up the successes of his first term and would outline his plans for more domestic issues like health care reform and energy independence. Nunn won the debate by a close margin.

November 7th, 2000: The United States Presidential Election of 2000 would be held as President Nunn wold lead in polls but with facing two major opponents, it seemed that Nunn might not cross the needed 270 electoral votes. As polling came in it seemed that several states were close and could be the states to send the election to Congress. Ultimately Arizona was the closest as Nunn, Ventura and Bush vied for a victory there, the state bordering AZ, New Mexico would be close as well as Bush would come in at a strong second.

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Samuel Nunn/Joseph P. Kennedy II: 271 EV 40% PV

John E. "Jeb" Bush/Elizabeth Dole: 163 EV 36% PV

Jesse Ventura/Ralph Nader: 104 EV 21% PV

Other (Green, Libertarian, etc): 0 EV 3% PV

-Congressional Election results will be posted seperatly.

November 27th, 2000: The Canadian Federal Election would be held as Jean Chretien of the Liberals would win easily as his party would gain an easy majority over the closest opponent, Stockwell Day and the Canadian Alliance. The standing would be 134 Liberals, 69 Canadian Alliance, 14 New Democrats and 11 Progressive Conservatives.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on March 18, 2009, 03:16:58 PM
Wow that was a great Installment about the 2000 Election, I loved the refrence to Liddy's Atheist claims about Hagan in OTL 2008 Senatorial Race. With such a strong showing in the 2000 race, Liddy would be the frontrunner in 2004 and Nader for the Reform Coalition as well.  Can't wait to see how "Taiwan Sam" will handle to the Al-queda Attacks(if there is to be some)...Keep it comming


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on March 20, 2009, 03:26:18 PM
Layout of the Congressional Elections of 2000 and Other

House Layout

With the upswing in the support for President Nunn, the Democrats gained a fair margin of wins as an flood of other victories was held back by the second place finish of Jeb Bush and his support trickling down to local races. The Republicans would still hold the House but only by an smaller margin than 1998. One of the newcomers into the Reform Coalition Party ranks would be the suprise already incumbent Congressman Michael Forbes, who won the Republican nomination and then declared himself an independent and won the Reform Coalition nomination and the general election.

House:
Republicans: 191 (-12)
Democrats: 185 (+7)
Reform Coalition: 59 (+5)

Senate Layout

Democrats only increased there numbers in the Senate as the Republicans were "picked clean" as one senator said as the Democrats picked up 4 new seats as their victory had some negation as they lost an senate seat in Minnesota to Dean Barkley, an coalitionist and lost the race in Washington. Two of the new freshmen Democratic Senators would be John F. Kennedy Jr of New York and Brian Schweitzer of Montana.

Senate:
Democrats: 54 (+1)
Republicans: 43 (-2)
Reform Coalition: 3 (+1)

Other Layout

Gubernatorial races were the major races to watch as the Reform Coalition would pump most of their funds for Gubernatorial races into the Independent endorsed Mary Brown of New Hampshire and Anthony Pollina of the Progressive Alliance in Vermont as North Carolina Reform Coalition candidate Douglas Schell would gain a small part of the funds for his own gubernatorial race. It was an easy predictions as many races followed the pundits thoughts on who would win as only the Republicans candidates in Missouri and New Hampshire won their races in an upset.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on March 20, 2009, 09:27:44 PM
December 13th, 2000: What would become known as the "Texas 7" would escape from their prison unit in Kenedy, Texas and would begin an crime spree.

December 24th, 2000: The "Texas 7" would rob a sports store in Irving, Texas, several policemen would be wounded because of this as one officer, Aubrey Hawkins would be shot dead. Governor Bush would vow in a press conference would say that he will put all of his power to catching the "Texas 7" and bringing them to justice.

January 11th, 2001: The U.S. Federal Trade Commission would approves the merger of America Online and Time Warner to form AOL Time Warner. This merger would ultimately be a loss as it would loose money and would eventually drop the "AOL" and just become Time Warner.

January 16th, 2001: President Sam Nunn would award former President Theodore Roosevelt in an posthumous Medal of Honor for Roosevelt's service during the Spanish-American War. 11 of Roosevelt's descendants would accept the Medal of Honor on Theodore Roosevelt's behalf.

January 20th, 2001: Samuel Nunn would be sworn in for his second term of office as the 43rd President of the United States. Joseph P. Kennedy II would be sworn in as the 47th Vice President of the United States. In Nunn's Inaugural Address, Nunn would stress the need for internationalism and also domestic reforms.

January 22nd, 2001: Four of the "Texas 7" would be caught at an convenience store in Woodland Park, Colorado. A fifth would kill himself inside a motor home.

February 19th, 2001: The Oklahoma City National Memorial would be dedicated to the Oklahoma City bombings there. President Nunn and a number of others would attend and would speak about the tragedy, Nunn would speak and would say that "I hope that any tragedy like this never appears again on the American landscape" as also former President Perot would attend.

February 25th, 2001: Allegations would pop up about Governor of Texas George W. Bush mocking several soon to be executed inmates on death row. All of this would appear after an interview between Governor Bush and commentor Tucker Carlson. These allegations would damage Bush in his homestate of Texas and also damage the idea of him running for the Republican nomination in 2004.

March 5th, 2001: The debate begins over an Constitutional Amendment that would make the winner of the electoral college wouldn't have to gain the needed 270 electoral votes and would only have to gain more electoral votes than any other candidate. The debating would go on for a long while as Congress would work out the bugs basically.

March 19th, 2001: After working out the bugs, the Electoral College Reform Amendment as it was called would be sent out the the states for ratification. Though it had many critics it would also have many supporters as the Nunn Administration would now wait as they hoped the "EC" Reform Amendment would be ratified in short time.

March 28th, 2001: Former President of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia Slobodan Milosevic would surrender to police special forces to be tried on charges of war crimes.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on March 22, 2009, 02:25:40 PM
April 1st, 2001: The "Hainan Island Incident" occurs as an Chinese fighter jet bumps into a U.S. EP-3E surveillance aircraft, which is forced to make an emergency landing in Hainan, China. The U.S. crew is detained for over two weeks and the F-8 Chinese pilot, Wang Wei, goes missing and is presumed dead. Soon several pro PRC publications would attack the closeness of the Nunn Administration and Taiwan, one saying that "Taiwan Sam has sold his soul to the Taiwanese Devil..".

April 26th, 2001: Junichiro Koizumi would become officially the Prime Minister of Japan after the victories of the Liberal Democrats and their coalition in the June 2000 elections. Shortly after, President Nunn would meet with Prime Minister Koizumi to talk about trade.
 
May 10th, 2001: the EC Reform Amendment is ratified and becomes the 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution. After passing through Congress and being ratified by enough states, President Sam Nunn would welcome this as a first step in major electoral college reforms.

June 3rd. 2001: President Nunn would have several small bills passed, these would include an small tax cut bill and also an bill that would give more money towards the Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief. These small and simple bills would improve on Nunn's approval as the newest polls showed him with 67% approval.

June 22nd-23rd, 2001: An Bio-Terror Exercise would commence about a simulated smallpox outbreak in several states. President Sam Nunn would participate in this exercise and this "experiment" would show that the nation is still not prepared for a possible bio terror attack.

August 14th, 2001: The Constitution of the Confederation of Iraq is ratified in an special referendum vote. This would be monumental as it was the continual step of rebuilding and getting Iraq on it's feet so it can govern itself, soon elections would be set at the end of the year.

September 20th, 2001: The date would have been an normal day but the American people were rocked to their core by what transpired on 9/20. The beginning of this did not come from the United States but from the Republic of Quebec as reports came in that the major Quebec airline service, Quebecair had not been receiving anything from one of their flights. Quebecair were worried but didn't expect what was about to unfold as one of their Boeing 767 headed to New York City would continue on it's course. In the morning, reports came in that an Boeing 767 had crashed into one of the World Trade Center Towers and at first this was reported by many of the news networks as many people thought this was an accident. This proved not true as reports flooded in as that two small planes had crashed into the Pentagon, then came that a van of explosives was detonated in Chicago.

The attacks were over before the US Government could really do anything but President Nunn would go into high gear as he would call an unprecedented evacuation of all Congressman and others, as this occurred the South World Trade Center Tower would collapse and would cause massive damage as debris rained down and also struck and tore at the North Tower. Soon President Nunn met with some of his cabinet and the joint chief of staff in an safe location to learn anything about these attacks on American soil but they didn't have much and Nunn would be spirited off to ground zero. After flying over New York City, President Nunn would land and would and call on any to help in the rescue work, Nunn would then begin to actually help in the rescue himself until he was told that they had found out who was behind the attacks. Al-Qaeda was the one, the major leader being Osama bin Laden.

In a quickly thrown together Address to the Nation, President Nunn would vow that "We will not stop, we will not rest until every leader behind this heinous attack is brough to justice, if we must hunt them like wild animals we will do it...". These words echo the anger of the American people as Nunn's approval ratings go through the roof after the 9/20 attacks.

September 21st, 2001: President Nunn would meet in a closed off and secretive meeting with several cabinet members and others to plan out an operation to use an commando force to secretively take out or capture Al-Qaeda leaders.

September 22nd, 2001: Operation "Hunt" would be drawn up as President Nunn would call Prime Minister Tony Blair and President Vladimir Putin in private calls to try and persuade them to give aid in the Operation: Hunt. Blair would say that he would to this as Putin would also give their support. Soon enough Nunn's personal calls and talks with international leaders won many nations over and joined the now international Operation: Hunt.

September 28th, 2001: Letters that either did or said they contained Anthrax would be mailed to several major media networks and Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle and Senator Patrick Leahy. These attacks would prove to scare and kill as the nation was shaken by the 9/20 attacks, 10 reported deaths were caused by the "Amerithrax" attacks with one being Senator Patrick Leahy.

October 6th, 2001: After President Nunn's secretive tone after the 9/20 attack worried the American people, another address to the nation was held. President Nunn would basically talk to the American people about Operation: Hunt and would say that they have taken down a number of Al-Qaeda leaders but not Osama bin Laden. This national address was seen as risky by some Administration insiders but this help Nunn as he "went directly to the American people".

October 7th, 2001: President Nunn would speak to a joint session of Congress and would put forth a declaration of war against the Al-Qaeda sponsored Taliban Government. The declaration of war would pass and a "War" on Terrorism would begin.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Hash on March 22, 2009, 02:49:46 PM
Quebecair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebecair) would be a more appropriate name than "QNA" IMO.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on March 22, 2009, 03:15:14 PM
Quebecair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebecair) would be a more appropriate name than "QNA" IMO.
Hey thanks, didn't know about Quebecair, I'll put that in right now.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on March 24, 2009, 01:03:33 AM
It will be interesting to see what happens in TTL's War on Terror and if Nunn is able to pass an alternate version of the PATRIOT ACT.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on April 02, 2009, 12:32:42 PM
October 8th, 2001: President Nunn would back numerous acts in Congress and many would pass as the biggest one was the Patriot Protection Act(basically a reformed and more defined Patriot Act) which would pass on October 16th, 2001. The International Airplane Security Standard Act would be to put more safety measures on airlines and would also be a call to nations like Quebec and Canada to put more safety programs to stop something like 9/20 from happening again, the Quebecois-Air Safety Regulation and the Canadian Interprovincial Safety Programs would be put into effect soon after.

November 6th, 2001: The New York Mayoral Election of 2001 would be held, with the terrible cataclysm of the North World Trade Center's destruction on 9/20 would still be in the air as the Republicans nominated Michael Bloomberg on September 11th and the Democrats nominated Borough President of The Bronx Fernando Ferrer. Ralph Nader would try and flush out Mark J. Green to run on the Reform-Independence ballot but said he wouldn't and would endorse Bloomberg ultimately. Bloomberg won by a fair margin over Ferrer.

November 10th, 2001: The Australian federal election, 2001 would have Prime Minister John Howard of the Liberal/National coalition would win over the Labor Kim Beazley in the federal election as the Liberal/National coalition gained more seats over the Labor other parties.

November 12th, 2001: The People's Republic of China would loose the debate for admission into the World Trade Organization(WTO) for now. This would continue now 15 years of debate to be admitted into the WTO.

November 21st, 2001: The John Act 2 is passed through Congress with a wide bipartisan majority. The John Act 2 would extend to the war in Afghanistan as it would now allow military tribunals against any suspected foreigner of either having an connection to terrorists or planned acts of terrorism against the US.

December 22nd, 2001: The "Shoe Plot" would fail as Al-Qaeda supporter and British born Richard Reid would try and set off a explosive inside his shoe on American Flight 63. The plot failed as passengers were able to tackle Reid and subdue him. Learning of the plot, President Nunn would hold several days after the plot an "congratulation" of the people that took down Reid.

February 6th, 2002: After a little over three years, President Nunn would announce that a small portion of troops in the Iraqi Confederation would be shipped off to help in the front in the War in Afghanistan. This would become more common as the United States and the coalition forces begin to draw down the number of troops in Iraq.

February 10th, 2002: Super Bowl XXXVI would be held on a different day than the scheduled one because of the tragedy of the 9/20 attacks. Former President Ford, Carter, Bush and Perot appeared in another videotaped segment and recited some of the speeches by Abraham Lincoln. Because Ronald Reagan had Alzheimer's disease, his wife Nancy appeared on the segment instead. The favorite, the St. Louis Rams would win the game with 20 to 17 against the New England Patriots.

February 17th, 2002: Energy Secretary Ralph Nader would get into a dispute over the Yucca Mountain in Nevada for a proposed site for the nuclear waste repository. During the Perot Administration, Nader had struck down the idea but some politicians would want to bring it back up and fight over the issue would begin. EPA Administrator Carol Browner would back Nader and after several other disputes the issue was dropped.

February 20th, 2002: The American School Improvement and Education Act would be passed by Congress and would reform and re-implement the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965. President Nunn would sign the ASIE Act into law on February 27th with a number of congressional leaders of all of the major political parties.

March 6th-20th, 2002: Operation Anaconda or the "Anaconda Plan2" as it was sometimes called would rely on an encircling maneuver on Al-Qaeda forces. The Anaconda Plan2 would be a resounding success as Al-Qaeda suffered heavy casualties and several leaders of Al-Qaeda was captured in the Operation. American and Coalition forces would suffer medium casualties.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on April 02, 2009, 02:22:50 PM
Nice Installment, seems like Afghanistan might be actually somewhat "winnable" in TTL, and we might actually get Osama. I like where this headed and Keep It Comming


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on April 15, 2009, 02:01:57 PM
April 15th, 2002: An Air China Boeing 767-200 crashes into a hillside during heavy rain and fog near Pusan, South Korea, killing 128.
 
April 17th, 2002: The "Farm" Act would be passed through Congress by a fair margin. After debate in Congress, amendments shifted some of the funds to more conservation measures, it then would get past after the needed votes would come in as some Republicans called it wastefull spending.

April 21st, 2002: 1st round voting in the 2002 French Presidential Election was hectic as the incumbent Socialist Party Lionel Jospin was running for his second term as President. The biggest suprise came when the out of the blue second place finish of the National Front candidate Jean-Marie Le Pen over the Rally for the Republic candidate. The National Front and the RPR votes would only be about a few thousand votes apart.

April 22nd, 2002: The "Kandahar Incident" would have several coalition forces would be killed by friendly fire at an then suspected Al-Qaeda camp. The incident would have 5 friendly fire kills, though they coalition forces succeeded in the end in their firefight, the "Kandahar Incident" would be the sad spector of the day.

April 23rd, 2002: In an press conference, President Nunn and Quebec President Parizeau would call for a time of morning for the tragedy of the "Kandahar Incident" and called for a day of mourning. Soon British, French and other international leaders, confined mainly to Europe, would call for the same thing.

May 5th, 2002: The 2nd round voting would be easily in favor for Lionel Jospin over Jean-Marie Le Pen. Jospin would win in a landslide over the National Front.

May 19th, 2002: President Nunn would push for Congress to pass a bill creating an position of National Intelligence Advisor. This NIA position would work with the President and other cabinet members to work as a leader of the intelligence community. Though the scope of the advisory position would have as much scope or power as some Congressman said the position needed.

July 14th, 2002: Bastille Day in France was marked by an attempt on President Lionel Jospin's life. The attempt was made by far right radical Maxime Brunerie, which would be linked to the political group Unité Radicale, though the Unité Radicale wasn't involved in the assassination attempt it would take much of the brunt of the scorn.

October 9th, 2002: The "Dot-Com" bubble bursts in a sense as the Dow Jones Industrial Average slips below 7200. This would forecast an coming economic slump in the coming future.

November 5th, 2002: The Congressional Elections, Gubernatorial Elections, etc will be in separate post.

November 21st, 2002: The Homeland Advisory Act is passed in Congress, creating an permanent advisory position in the Presidential cabinet. Homeland Security Advisor would work jointly with the Defense Department and other protection agencies and would report to the President, to be the first for this position, in a show of bipartisanship, Robert Gates would accept the advisory position.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Hash on April 18, 2009, 06:08:35 AM
Who won the 2000 legislative elections in France?


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on April 24, 2009, 11:03:50 PM
Hmmm...Passage of the "Farm" Act will probably weaken the Reform Party's strength in the midwest region especially in time for the 2002 Senatorial and 2004 Presidential elections. It seems the early 2000's Economic recession might be a little while longer than it lasted ITOL. Keep it comming


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on May 14, 2009, 10:17:12 AM
Who won the 2000 legislative elections in France?
The Socialists and the "Plural Left"


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on May 14, 2009, 10:17:55 AM
I sorry for such the long time without posting but I hope to get back on this soon.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on June 05, 2009, 11:26:12 AM
Layout of the Congressional Elections of 2002 and Other

House Layout

President Nunn kept his popularity quite high. With the passage of a number of bills, some support shifted to the Democrats from the Reform Coalition's corner but in a strange balancing act, a number of Republican pick up's in the south brought some hope to regain the House someday for the Republicans. Also with the successes in Afghanistan, this bolstered Democrats nationally in numbers, in numbers enough to finally take the House of Representatives and implace Nancy Pelosi as the new Speaker of the House.

House:
Democrats: 195 (+10)
Republicans: 185 (-6)
Reform Coalition: 55 (-4)

Senate Layout

The Senate had a number of interesting campaigns and possible candidates. In the TX 2002 Senatorial Election, former President Ross Perot was mentioned as a big possible candidate in the election but would turn it down. Democrats kept the Senate but made no gains, the Republicans and Reform Coalitionists also didn't gain one seat. One of the freshly elected Senators to an already Republican seat would be former Republican VP nominee Elizabeth Dole. 

Senate:
Democrats: 54 (-)
Republicans: 43 (-)
Reform Coalition: 3 (-)

Other Layout

Gubernatorial Elections were the other elections to watch, but for the most part it remained the same as the lines that separated the Democrats, Republicans and Reform Coalition would remain the same, mostly. The Reform Coalition became the big party in the news for a while as Representative Ron Paul was running under the Reform Coalition banner for the Texas Governorship and it was one of the closest races against incumbent Governor George W. Bush. Incumbent Governor Jesse Ventura would also run, this time for reelection and would win. Another major race would be the bloody California race against Governor Gray Davis and Republican Bill Simon, which Simon won with 42% of the vote.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on June 05, 2009, 02:02:26 PM
January 28th, 2003: American and Coalition forces would begin an all out offensive to push the Taliban out of hiding. Using similar tactics used in the Anaconda Plan2, US and Coalition forces are successful as a number of remaining Taliban forces are rooted out, though the remaining either try to escape or go into everymore hiding and prepared for an insurgent war against the American and Coalition forces.

February 1st, 2003: Tragedy hits as the Space Shuttle Columbia breaks up on reentry over Texas. President Nunn would address the nation over the tragedy. Nunn remarks "This day has brought a pain to this countries very heart and soul,....The Columbia is lost, all aboard did not survive.

February 16th, 2003: In a move that was somewhat unexpected. Representative Dennis Kucinich of Ohio would announce his candidacy for the Democratic Nomination. This comes as everyone was awaiting the decision of wether or not Vice President Kennedy would run. Kucinihc would declare that his run was against the "warmongering internationalist Nunn Administration"

February 25th, 2003: Republican begin to blame another in there losses in the House. This is ultimately equated that it was former Speaker Dick Armey's fault after all the little bigoted comments he made through out the 2000's. Soon now just Representative Armey now has calls to resign from House Minority Leader.

February 26th, 2003: The first identified case of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome(SARS) is reported when an American businessman is admitted to the Vietnam France Hospital in Hanoi, Vietnam. Afterwards the businessman and an doctor would die, this would then result in the World Health Organization being alerted.

March 1st, 2003: Pakistani forces capture several minor and several medium level leaders in a number of terrorists groups, several of them are connected to the 9/20 attacks on the United States, one being Mustafa al-Hawsawi.

March 7th, 2003: After a battle, Dick Armey takes the advice as it was called but takes it one step further and resigns from Congress all together. This causes a crisis on who would be the right choice for House Minority Leader.

March 9th, 2003: Energy Secretary Ralph Nader announces his candidacy for the Reform Coaltion Nomination and the Presidency.

March 12th, 2003: Senator Elizabeth Dole of North Carolina would announce that she was running for the Republican nomination in 2004. Dole would call for "strong conservative leadership".

March 15th, 2003: Jiang Zemin, the President of the People's Republic of China would be replaced by the "fresh face" of Hu Jintao.

March 20th, 2003: Senator John McCain would announce his candidacy for the Republican nomination. McCain would say that his run was for reform, foreign and national security and continuing the War of Terrorism.

April 11th, 2003: Vice President Kennedy announces that he is running for the Democratic Nomination for President. Kennedy says that he will continue the that President Nunn laid out on the War on Terrorism. With a favorable support for the Nunn Administration, it seems that Kennedy could be a force to be reckoned with come November.

April 21st, 2003: Former Nevada Governor Aaron Russo would declare his candidacy for the Reform Coalition nomination. Russo would quickly garner support from the Libertarian side of the Reform Coalition.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on June 05, 2009, 05:43:33 PM
Interesting Developments in your alt 2003...The Primary/Convention fight between Russo and Nader should be interesting to say the least...same for the McCain and Liddy. My bets would have to be John McCain with a Southern Conservative on the bottom of the ticket(Keyes, or Watts would be a good choice) would be able allow for the GOP to become competetive in the Mountain West for the 1st time in a long time. It should be interesting how the race turns out.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: aaaa2222 on June 05, 2009, 08:22:25 PM
With Ross Perot being one of my favorite politicians of all time, and the excellent thought and skill woven into this timeline, this has become one of my favorites. I wish only for more updates.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on June 05, 2009, 11:35:55 PM
May 3rd, 2003: Education Secretary Lamar Alexander of Tennessee would announce his candidacy for the Republican nomination. Though with a fair amount of credentials, Alexander would be overshadowed by McCain and Dole in the Republican race.

June 23rd, 2003: In a close decision, the United States Supreme Court upholds affirmative action in their close vote of 5 to 4 in the Grutter v. Bollinger case. With this, affirmative action becomes a medium issues in the upcoming 2004 election.

July 7th, 2003: In a suprise, Corsica votes in a narrow margin for increased autonomy from France.

July 23rd, 2003: In the first time, Afghan troops are a major part of one of the American and Coalition forces operations. Operation: Warrior's Charge would be a sweeping move to root out any Taliban and Al-Qaeda and also to secure enemy weapon's caches in part of eastern Afghanistan. Warrior's Charge would be a success as this continues to keep American's hopes high for victory.

August 3rd, 2003: Democratic Senator Lloyd Bentsen dies of a massive stroke shortly after declaring that he wasn't seeking another term as Senator of Texas. Mourning happens through out Texas, even Governor Paul mourns, but out of this tragedy would come division sadly.

August 10th, 2003: The media would move in on the news that former Attorney General William "Bill" Clinton and his spouse Hillary would be divorcing. This news adds to the crumbling political future of Bill Clinton and the general statement that begins to float about that "how could America have every considered electing this guy?".

August 20th, 2003: After waiting and taking his time for over two weeks, Governor Paul announces his choice to replace Senator Bentsen's Senate seat, the choice would shock many as Paul announced that H. Ross Perot Jr. would be the choice. Some cried out that Perot Jr. had no true political experience, others decried a Perot-esque monarchy forming in Texas. After a fight over Paul's choice for the seat, Perot Jr. would be officially seated in the Senate.

August 24th, 2003: With the growing support of what is beginning to be called "Neo-Rockefeller Republicanism" in the north, conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh would ignite what some called the "GOP Civil War". Limbaugh said to "boot the dirty northern groups" from the Republican party as they weren't "real conservatives" in his eyes. Senator Romney, the major leader of Neo-Rockefellerism would fire back at Limbaugh, saying that "Maybe we should boot you Rush".

September 5th, 2003: After the Nader and Russo camps vie for an endorsement from Senator Warren Beatty of CA, a shocker appears as Beatty announces that he is running for the Reform Coalition nomination. This huge shakeup seems to have a three way fight for the Reform Coalition in the making.

September 22nd, 2003: Vice President Kennedy is hit with a scandal as one of his charitable organizations is linked to Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez. This would come after Kennedy gave a firm and strong speech declaring a "Strong voice against dictators like Castro, Chavez.." under a Kennedy Administration. Though is is not even close to swing enough support against Kennedy, in polls a sizable number of former Kennedy supporters now are "Undecided" in the Democratic race.

October 9th, 2003: In one of the handfull of Democratic Presidential Debates, Kennedy and Kucinich debate as Kennedy tries to show support for the Nunn Administration and also to try and defend his charitable organization and their ties with Chavez. Kucinich blasts and tries to hammer in that Kennedy is more of the same "Shoot 'em up Democrats" that America needs to get away from. Kucinich hammers at Kennedy's scandal but it seems that Kucinich tries through out this to not say the name "Hugo Chavez", trying to break the perception the Kennedy camp created that Kucinich would be "Buddies with Chavez".

October 10th, 2003: Conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh would admit that he is addicted to prescription pain killers, and will seek treatment immediately.

December 25th, 2003: Pakistani President Perves Musharraf would be assassinated after coming off the heels of an failed assassination attempt shortly before this. With the assassination of Musharraf, Zafarullah Khan Jamali would succeed him as President.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on June 06, 2009, 09:09:59 AM
Oh here comes the primaries...Governor Paul and Senator Perot Jr(Texas is awesome ITTL), the ensuing Nader vs Russo vs Beaty fight should be enough lol but all three parties seem to be pretty nasty fights. We must love the partisan age we live in.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on June 09, 2009, 11:37:18 PM
January 4th, 2004: After the "Rose Revolution" in Georgia, Mikheil Saakashvili would be elected President of Georgia in a huge landslide. President Nunn would be one of the first international leaders to extend there best wishes to the young leader.

January 14th, 2004: The Democrats hold the District of Columbia Primary and Kennedy would easily win but Kucinich would grab up 15% of the vote in a shock.

January 15th, 2004: Four days before the Republicans own Iowa Caucus, the candidates would meet for their last debates before the start of the primary season. The continuation of the "GOP Civil War" was evident in the debate as Dole struck first at McCain and continued this through the debate. McCain returned in kind and took a number of bites at Dole. Through this, Alexander remained above the fray in hopes of showing himself above partisanship. One quip backfired on Dole as she said to McCain "Senator, you can't lead!", in response McCain said "Well Senator, I have to say, you can't lead, If I'm not mistaken you've been in office less than two years..". McCain ripped Dole to bits as many said and McCain won the debate hands down.

January 19th, 2004: With results from the debates between the candidates, Iowa was the next step for the Republicans. In a fair results, Elizabeth Dole wins the Iowa Caucus over both John McCain, Lamar Alexander and other small candidates. This loss bounces off McCain as he is expecting an easy win in the upcoming New Hampshire Primary but for Alexander it was nearly a death blow as he took a fair 3rd place.

The Democratic Iowa Caucus opens as Vice President Kennedy is running against the insurgent Representative Dennis Kucinich. In open polls, Kennedy was leading in the 90's somewhere compared to the 3-4% that Kucinich was garnering but, Kucinich seemed not to be swayed by polls and said that he would continue his campaign all his way to the Convention. The results were predicted as Kennedy overwhelmingly won with over 90% of the vote compared to Kucinich's 5%.

January 27th, 2004: Republicans and Democrats draw up the clear projected winners of the New Hampshire Primary, the two are Vice President Kennedy and Senator McCain. The votes flow in for both parties on the 27th and McCain wins big as Alexander squeaks out 2nd over Dole. For Democrats, Kucinich continues his insurgent campaign and takes 13% of the vote.

January 30th, 2004: Education Secretary Lamar Alexander of Tennessee would announce that he was dropping out of the Presidential Race. Alexander wouldn't sight anyone or wouldn't drop any hints at who he would endorse.

February 1st, 2004: Super Bowl XXXVIII is held as after wins by the more projected teams like the Rams and Buccaneers the years back and many hoped that an underdog would win this time around. The underdog, the Carolina Panthers would win in a suprising fashion and this would deny the New England Patriots a win once again.

February 2nd, 2004: President Nunn submits a number of budgetary proposals to Congress. These budgetary amounts to go to fund infrastructure revival in Afghanistan and also to military funding in the War in Afghanistan. Congress, after going over it, would approve these budgetary changes. Representative Kucinich would take time off from his campaign that day and be one of the major dissenting voices in Congress.

February 3rd, 2004: Mini Tuesday arises as seven states hold their primaries and or caucuses. Democrats knew that Kennedy would be triumphant but Kucinich continued to hold on and leach some liberal voters away from Kennedy. As for Republicans, it would be a fight for each vote and delegate as McCain and Dole pummeled each other. (A layover of these will be in a separate post)

February 5th-23rd, 2004: The Haiti Rebellion of 2004 or the "Great Haitian Burn" as it was also called, would be an attempted coup of Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide. The United States and other nations would quickly move to send interim peacekeepers into Haiti. These Peacekeepers fought with the National Revolutionary Front for the Liberation of Haïti, this would result in victory and a return to normality for Haiti or what was normal for Haiti.

February 7th, 2004: The Michigan and Washington Caucuses would results for both of them, victories by Kennedy and McCain. For the Republicans, McCain won the states by big margins but as for the Democrats, Kucinich got 7% of the vote in Michigan but the big suprise can up when 19% of the vote went to Kucinich in Washington.

February 8th, 2004: McCain got another break and easily won the Maine Caucus over Dole. As for the Democrats, Kennedy won the Caucus but had to face Kucinich in what some said was growing into a competitive campaign of sorts, Kucinich took 22% of the vote.

February 9th, 2004: Under tight security, NATO Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer visited Kabul and met with Afghaninterim president Hamid Karzai.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on June 10, 2009, 09:11:42 AM
Super tuesday seems to be rolling up pretty quickly...So I guess the question is will Johnny Boy be able to rap up the nomination with it(I doubt it) and it will probably be a long primary fight to the convention. To bad Buchanan's not running with the reform party, cuz he could probably assemble some electoral votes if McCain gets the eventual nod.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on June 12, 2009, 01:55:06 PM
February 3rd Primaries and Caucuses Layover

Republicans:

Arizona: McCain-62%, Dole-34%, Others-4%
Delaware: McCain-54%, Dole-43%, Others-3%
North Dakota: Dole-65%, McCain-31%, Others-4%
Missouri: Dole-49%, McCain-46%, Others-5%
New Mexico: McCain-54%, Dole-42%, Others-4%
Oklahoma: Dole-66%, McCain-29%, Others-5%
South Carolina: Dole-56%, McCain-39%, Others-5%

(As of February 3rd, 2004)
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Democrats:

Arizona: Kennedy-92%, Kucinich-5%, Others-3%
Delaware: Kennedy-93%, Kucinich-5%, Others-2%
North Dakota: Kennedy-90%, Kucinich-7%, Others-3%
Missouri: Kennedy-93%, Kucinich-5%, Others-2%
New Mexico: Kennedy-89%, Kucinich-9%, Others-2%
Oklahoma: Kennedy-95%, Kucinich-4%, Others-1%
South Carolina: Kennedy-96%, Kucinich-2%, Others-2%

(As of February 3rd, 2004)
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Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on June 12, 2009, 03:16:13 PM
February 10th, 2004: Elizabeth Dole would get her own break as Virginia and Tennessee would hold there primaries. Dole would easily win Tennessee and though closer than expected, Dole still carried Virginia by a fair margin. For the Democrats, Kennedy won big as Kucinich got 5% in each state.

February 14th, 2004: The District of Columbia Caucus and the Nevada Caucus would be held as Kennedy won both as Kucincih fought with Kennedy and took 10% in DC and 14% in Nevada. For the Republicans, McCain took DC and Nevada by fair margins.

February 17th, 2004: Kennedy and McCain continued there march but Dole and Kucinich continued there campaigns. Wisconsin came next and the primary was won by McCain and Kennedy as Dole picked up 44% of the vote and Kucinich with 11%.

February 24th, 2004: Two Caucuses and a primary was held as Dole bounced back some and won the Idaho Caucus and Utah Primary and McCain picked up Hawaii. Kennedy won all three states but Kucinich won a suprising 30% of the vote in Hawaii, 12% in Utah and 10% in Idaho.

February 26th, 2004: Secretary of Defense Bob Kerrey and Ambassador Madeline Albright would attend and speak at a graduation of Afghani policemen in Kandahar.

February 28th, 2004: In Taiwan the "228 hand in hand rally" would be held as about a million Taiwanese citizens linked hands and formed a human chain link line to protest against the aggressive moves that the People's Republic of China has taken towards Taiwan. Though having sympathies to a peaceful reunification of Taiwan and China, President James Soong would call for peaceful moves during the "Peaceful Memorial Day".

March 2nd, 2004: "Super Tuesday" came as both McCain and Dole were duking it out for the nomination and Kennedy was fending off the insurgent Kucinich. (This will have a separate post)

March 3rd. 2004: At a ceremony held in Kabul, Afghanistan, Afghani and Americans delegates signed a contract detailing assistance in a major irrigation re-build project near the capital. This would be a fraction of the other plans for nationwide reconstruction of Afghanistan.

March 9th, 2004: Four primaries and a caucus would be held as McCain fought hard to make headway as Dole led in Texas, Mississippi and Louisiana as she was neck and neck with McCain in Florida. The results were Dole winning TX, LA and MS as McCain took FL and American Samoa. For the Democrats it was a more healthier environment for Kennedy as he won very big as American Samoa was the place where Kucinich really put up any fight. Kennedy carried every state as Kucinich got 20% in American Samoa.

March 11th, 2004: Terrorist attacks occur in Madrid, Spain and bombs are used to attack the Train system of Madrid. This attack would be found out to be the work of Muslim extremist elements in Spain. These attacks would shake Spain as the two main political parties would begin to bring up controversy about the handling of the attacks and would hit each other politically as the Spanish Legislative Election was only three days away.

March 13th, 2004: Dole won the Kansas Caucus by a fair margin over McCain as a Kennedy victory was a breeze as Kucinich gained 14% of the vote.

March 14th, 2004: The Spanish Legislative Election of 2004 would be a close one as polls weren't even sure who would win the legislative election as the Socialists and Peoples Party fought tooth and nail for victory. The Socialists won but it would be close as they had 160 seats now to the Peoples Party's 152 seats. José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero would become Prime Minister.

March 14th, 2004: The Russian Presidential Election was held and incumbent Vladamir Putin would easily win reelection with over 70% of the vote compared to the nearest contender, the Communist candidate with about 15% of the vote.

March 16th, 2004: The Illinois Primary would be forecasted to be wins by both Kennedy and McCain but everyone was watching how the other candidates would do in the primary. Dole won in the southern portions of Illinois easily but couldn't muster anything like a upset but did good in the state, Kucinich receive a suprising 9% as many had said he would at least break into the 10 point range.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: defe07 on June 12, 2009, 10:30:46 PM
Any delegates for Kucinich?


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on June 12, 2009, 10:33:56 PM
Hmm....Vice President Kennedy should have the nomination pretty much sown up right now, can't wait to see who he picks for his running mate. I think Dole has a slim lead in Delegates, so the civil war continues...


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on June 17, 2009, 10:43:28 AM
A few, but only in states like HA, ME, states that he gets a least high double digits.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on June 17, 2009, 10:43:52 AM
Posts are on the way!


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on June 17, 2009, 11:56:43 AM
March 2nd Primaries and Caucuses Layover(+ current results from March 2nd onwards states)

Republicans:

California: McCain-53%, Dole-44%, Others-3%
Connecticut: McCain-64%, Dole-33%, Others-3%
Georgia: Dole-59%, McCain-37%, Others-4%
Maryland: McCain-55%, Dole-41%, Others-4%
Massachusetts: McCain-66%, Dole-31%, Others-3%
Minnesota: McCain-61%, Dole-35%, Others-4%
New York: McCain-55%, Dole-40%, Others-5%
Ohio: McCain-51%, Dole-46%, Others-3%
Rhode Island: McCain-67%, Dole-30%, Others-3%
Vermont: McCain-69%, Dole-27%, Others-4%

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Democrats:

California: Kennedy-87%, Kucinich-10%, Others-3%
Connecticut: Kennedy-88%, Kucinich-10%, Others-2%
Georgia: Kennedy-94%, Kucinich-4%, Others-2%
Maryland: Kennedy-93%, Kucinich-5%, Others-2%
Massachusetts: Kennedy-90%, Kucinich-8%, Others-2%
Minnesota: Kennedy-76%, Kucinich-22%, Others-2%
New York: Kennedy-86%, Kucinich-11%, Others-3%
Ohio: Kennedy-79%, Kucinich-19%, Others-2%
Rhode Island: Kennedy-87%, Kucinich-10%, Others-3%
Vermont: Kennedy-84%, Kucinich-13%, Others-3%

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Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: defe07 on June 17, 2009, 09:27:54 PM
A few, but only in states like HA, ME, states that he gets a least high double digits.

Do the Democrats use the 15% threshold rule for allocating delegates?


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on June 17, 2009, 09:55:59 PM
A few, but only in states like HA, ME, states that he gets a least high double digits.

Do the Democrats use the 15% threshold rule for allocating delegates?
I believe so if I'm correct.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on June 18, 2009, 10:23:43 AM
Thanks for the maps Andy, It seems Liddy is outperforming Johnny Boy in the Midwest and in the South, but she really hasn't had any close states outside of those regions either, showing a clear divide with voters. McCain should be ahead in delegate totals since he picked up the big states of New York, Illinois, Florida, Ohio, and California.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on June 29, 2009, 12:24:05 PM
March 17th, 2004: Vice President Kennedy declares "Utter Victory" over Representative Kucinich. After smashing him in the primaries and caucuses again and again, Kennedy also declares that the Democratic Party is now marching towards victory in November.

March 20th, 2004: Republic of China(Taiwan) Presidential Elections would be held as incumbent James Soong would be reelected over his DPD and KMT opponents by a fair margin. Soong would declare "Peace with the United States and the People's Republic".

March 20th, 2004: McCain and Dole split the two caucuses held in Alaska and Wyoming. McCain would win Alaska by a fair margin over Dole and she would go and pick up WY. For Kennedy, his "utter victory" declaration would drive down Kucinich's numbers a little. 11% went to Kucinich in WY and 20% in AK.

March 21st, 2004: Malaysian Elections are held as the Barisan Nasional wins in a huge landslide over the Democratic Action Party and the Barisan Alternative candidates. Abdullah Ahmad Badawi would continue as Prime Minister of Malaysia.

March 21st-28th,  2004: Regional elections in France would spell out a victory for the conservative right as they overtook the Socialist and the Left after "fatigue" in a way for the Left in power for so long would rear it's head finally. This would be a major blow to the current Socialist Government.

March 22nd, 2004: In an interview, Vice President Kennedy would answer the question that was on many peoples minds, "Who would be Kennedy's VEEP?". Kennedy would say that he would officially choose someone around June and would begin to release possibles in the coming weeks. The media though would have some idea's of it's own and would begin to release possible VEEPS lists.

March 27th, 2004: The Expatriates Caucus would results in an easy win for Kennedy over Dennis Kucinich.

March 29th, 2004: NATO expands as seven new European nations are admitted into the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. President Nunn would call this an "Expansion of Security and Assistance".

April 8th, 2004: Congress would vote down the Stem Cell Research Act of 2004 in a close vote in both the House and the Senate after Republicans led the charge to defeat the bill. In the Senate it would be a bitter battle as many of the more liberal "Neo-Rockefeller" Republicans would vote for the act, quickly gaining the scorn from conservatives and GOP leaders.

April 8th, 2004: A Humanitarian Ceasefire Agreement would occur in the Darfur region of Sudan. This agreement would shoot for peace but a number of groups would not attend and join in the peace agreement. With that, peace would not be fully established and the peace agreement seemed to fall through.

April 13th, 2004: The Colorado Caucus would be another victory for both the McCain and Kennedy camps. Kucinich would garner 14% in the Caucus as Dole fell far from winning over John McCain.

April 17th, 2004: The North Carolina and Virgin Islands Caucuses would be held as Dole tasted some hope as she won her state of North Carolina by a big margin over McCain. Kennedy added both to his victory list as Kucinich picked up 14% and 10% in the caucuses.

April 20th, 2004: Six aid workers in Afghanistan are captured by Taliban forces. Soon Coalition forces would move this up to the top of the list to get the captured aid workers back alive. The captured aid workers would also become something of a buzz story as it reached the United States.

April 24th, 2004: The Cypriot Annan Plan Referendum to unite the Turkish and Greek portions of the Island would fail. Over 60% of Turkish Cypriots would vote "YES" as Greek Cypriots voted a little over 70% for "NO". The reception to this was ranged as the United States had tried to push for a more reformed and fair to all parties plan for Union. US Ambassador to the UN Madeline Albright would give the more known rebuttal to the split votes on "YES" and "NO", saying that "This may have set back the reunification ideals today, it won't stall them forever". 


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on June 29, 2009, 12:32:00 PM
Why is Vice President Kennedy picking his running mate so early, I think its still tradition that you wait till as close as to the Convention as you can get. For example McCain had the nomination wrapped up by mid march, but didn't pick Paling till August IIRC. Especially as an sitting Vice President, he will probably take time to get back involved with the White House, Fundraise and clarify his message against the GOP. I am wondering who might McCain and Kennedy pick for their running mates though.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on June 29, 2009, 12:37:52 PM
Why is Vice President Kennedy picking his running mate so early, I think its still tradition that you wait till as close as to the Convention as you can get. For example McCain had the nomination wrapped up by mid march, but didn't pick Paling till August IIRC. Especially as an sitting Vice President, he will probably take time to get back involved with the White House, Fundraise and clarify his message against the GOP. I am wondering who might McCain and Kennedy pick for their running mates though.
Okay I get that, how about June then since the Democratic Convention is in July?


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on June 29, 2009, 12:51:37 PM
Why is Vice President Kennedy picking his running mate so early, I think its still tradition that you wait till as close as to the Convention as you can get. For example McCain had the nomination wrapped up by mid march, but didn't pick Paling till August IIRC. Especially as an sitting Vice President, he will probably take time to get back involved with the White House, Fundraise and clarify his message against the GOP. I am wondering who might McCain and Kennedy pick for their running mates though.
Okay I get that, how about June then since the Democratic Convention is in July?

That's cool, it wasn't a big deal I just though it was kinda early for a vp pick lol.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Hash on June 30, 2009, 08:29:07 AM
The 2005 legislative elections in France will be interesting... cohabitation?

(I assume the presidential term is now 5-years and not 7)


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on July 02, 2009, 01:03:47 AM
April 24th, 2004: The Guam Caucus would vote easily for Kennedy and McCain as both winner won the caucus in big double digits over their opponents.

April 26th, 2004: Top diplomats of NATO's North Atlantic Council visited Kabul, Afghanistan for the first time since it took over command of ISAF.

April 27th, 2004: The Pennsylvania Primary would be the biggest one as Dole, McCain, Kennedy and Kucinich rolled on the state. All campaigned hard as McCain saw this as the last thing to push Dole out of the race. In a seven point victory, John McCain would win the primary and would be basically crowned the Republican nominee for President.

April 29th, 2004: The Armenian Genocide Recognition Act of 2004 would be voted down in Congress as it was said that it would hurt the United States relationship with the Republic of Turkey. Supporters fired back as some went further and said "this first, what's next, not recognizing the holocaust during World War II?" Uproar began in the Congress as there supporters of the act would vow to bring it up the next if they had to.

April 29th, 2004: State Secretary David Boren would finall decide to resign from his post as the head of the States Department. Boren would say that he wanted desperately to "return to a quieter and more private life" and only the war of terrorism had kept him as Vice President(1997-2001) and as Secretary of State(2001-2004). This would shake up the Nunn Administration as they would soon look towards someone that could fill out the post.

April 30th, 2004: Senator Elizabeth Dole would officially drop out of the Presidential race after a bitter run against John McCain. Dole would call for "All Republicans to get behind McCain for Victory" in November. Though McCain accepted this graciously as he could.

May 1st, 2004: The European Union would expand as ten new nations would become apart of the EU. These nations would be the Czech Republic, Hungary, Malta, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Slovakia, Cyprus and Slovenia.

May 4th, 2004: Coalition forces would find the bodies of the six aid workers, all would be dead as there bodies were would in a precarious van in Kabul. This was seen as a way to threaten the Coalition forces. President Nunn would quickly give his sorrowful condolences to the families of the victims.

May 4th, 2004: Coming off the heels of Elizabeth Dole's drop out from the Republican race, the Indiana Primary would be a breeze for John McCain as he was popular in the rust belt and cruised through with over 60% of the vote. Democrats would have an easy primary of there own as Kucinich only garnered 10% of the vote against Vice President Kennedy.

May 9th, 2004: Akhmad Kadyrov, President of the Chechen Republic, would be assassinated when a landmine placed under a VIP stage during a World War II memorial parade in Grozny detonates and kills that appointed Chechen Leader. Sergei Abramov would become the interim Chechen President afterwards.

May 9th-15th, 2004: The "Big Five" for possible VEEPS for Vice President Kennedy would begin to be released and some were a suprise. The first and biggest circulated name, House Majority Leader Dick Gephardt, a Missourian could balance the ticket and Gephardt could bring in support from the South and with labor groups.

The second and one of the suprises, Representative Dan Glickman of Nebraska, Glickman if picked would make history as being Jewish would make him the first time a Jewish American would be one a major parties ticket, Glickman though is not really well known in a national sense and that could be a big minus in such a race.

The third would be Senator Albert Gore Jr of Tennessee, the former Vice Presidential nominee and Senate Majority Whip, Gore could help rein in the South and play up his "centrist" views to moderates.

The fourth and would be Governor Mark Warner of Virginia, only in office for little over two years, another southern could help Kennedy out in the South.

The fifth and final would be the suprise name of Washington Governor Gary Locke. A former WA state representative turned Governor, Locke could make history as the first Asian American to be on a major parties ticket and might try and balance the ticket and bring back some of the support of liberals but for all that, Locke was seen as the lowest to be chosen on this "Big Five" VEEP choices.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on July 02, 2009, 10:46:44 AM
Kennedy/Gephardt vs. McCain/Watts(J.C. that is) lol


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on July 02, 2009, 12:21:26 PM
May 10th, 2004: In a close race in the Philippine General Election, popular movie actor Fernando Poe Jr would win over Vice President Glorida Macapagal-Arroyo in a tight race for the Presidency. The victory by Poe would only come down to a little over a point after recounts whittled down Poe's lead.

May 11th, 2004: Nebraska and West Virginia held it's primaries and they would be easy victories for both McCain and Kennedy. Kucinich would continue his ruff patch as he only garnered 6% in each state.

May 11th, 2004: UN Ambassador Madeline Albright is officially announced to succeed Boren as Secretary of State. This would be expected but also a suprise as Albright's job as US Ambassador to the UN has been an fantastic one but many see this new post as Secretary of State will be too short to actually make a mark.

May 16th, 2004: Acting State Secretary Talbott and Ambassador Albright would meet with Pakistani President about the growing concerns about stability in the country. President Jamali would say that "The United States has reassurance that Pakistan shall remain standing for now and onwards". 

May 18th, 2004: Kentucky, Oregon and Arkansas held there respective primaries as both McCain and Kennedy continued there march towards their Conventions. Kucinich put up his "last big fight" against Kennedy as he racked up 9% in AR, 7% in KY and 20% in OR in a big suprise.

May 21st, 2004: John McCain would make a statement saying that he wouldn't be announcing his top tier VEEP choices. McCain would say that he wanted a certain "mystery" and "magic" behind his Vice Presidential choices. Some would satirized McCain announcement, the New Yorker would put it in it's best way, showing McCain as a magician emblazon with "GOP" everywhere and pulling the word "V-P Pick" out of a black top hat.

May 22nd, 2004: Dr. Manmohan Singh assumes office as the 17th and first Sikh Prime Minister of the Republic Of India.

May 26th, 2004: The McCain camp would begin to air the "Kennedy Flip-flop" ad. The ad would show how Kennedy accused Kucinich of being a "Chavez-lover" and would point that all the ties that Kennedy has to Venezuela and Chavez makes Kennedy a "Chavez-lover too?" as the ad said. Liberals blasted the ad as "utter slander".

May 28th-June 3rd, 2004: Military leaders in Pakistan would try to throw a coup of the increasingly weary Jamali Administration. The coup would not be fully supported and would "collapse" entirely after about a week.

May 29th, 2004: The National World War II Memorial is officially dedicated in Washington, D.C. President Nunn and a small delegates would attend the dedication, commemorating the "fallen heroes and large sacrifices by the heroes of World War II". This would come at but two days before Memorial Day.

May 30th, 2004: The Nader campaign would release the famous "Brick by brick" ad as it showed a wall being built up as a voice attacked former Governor Russo's "radical libertarianism", saying that to much could bring down the party at which the wall fell over in the ad. This would be echoed in similar ads used by the Russo campaign to attack Nader as a "extremist liberal". Beatty though would try and remain above the fray and would air "Unite America" ads instead of following Nader and Russo's suite.

June 1st, 2004: Alabama and South Dakota were the next primaries for the Democrats and Republicans and McCain and Kennedy won the Cotton State and the "Mount Rushmore" State by big margins. Kucinich fell flat on his face garnering 6% in AL and 7% in SD.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on July 03, 2009, 01:28:40 PM
June 3rd, 2004: CIA Director George Tenant would resign from his post, sighting "personal reasons" behind it. This would be another shakeup for the Nunn Administration as it seemed that people were beginning to leave in the last months of President Nunn's term of office. John Edward McLaughlin would take over as acting CIA Director until confirmation for a new Director could be made.

June 4th, 2004: The McCain camp would decry the Kennedy campaign adverts usage of footage of 9/20. McCain would call it a "failure to honor the deaths of that fateful day" and an "terrible means for political gains". The Kennedy campaign would take the ads down and would take a small hit in polls.

June 5th, 2004: Former President Ronald Reagan would die quietly in his home of Bel Air, California. This sent shockwaves through the nation as a six day state funeral began soon after.

June 8th, 2004: Both Kennedy and McCain would make official statements about the death of Ronald Reagan. Kennedy would say that "I didn't see always everything the Gipper's way but it's a tragedy what happened to him", McCain would say that "America has lost a good man, I lost someone who I called a friend. Though I fought and went against some of his policies, it still doesn't matter that he's gone and we as a nation must mourn".

June 8th, 2004: The Primary season for the Democrats and Republicans officially come to an end as the Montana and New Jersey Primaries cast there votes for Kennedy and McCain. Kucinich would continue his lagging campaign but did better as he took 8% in NJ and 16% in MT.

June 15th, 2004: The time would come as most of the policing of Iraq would now fall into the hands of the Iraqi's as the US and Coalition forces begin some of the final draw downs and to also send partially some of these forces to Afghanistan. Iraqi's would celebrate the day as a "Day of Freedom and Honor".

June 16th, 2004: Representative Dan Glickman of Nebraska, former House Intelligence Committee Chairmen would be officially nominated to be Director of the CIA. With this, Glickman's name would be quickly taken off the list of possible runningmates for Vice President Kennedy.

June 19th, 2004: Vice President Kennedy would say that he was ready to release the name of his Vice Presidential candidate soon. After some talks, Kennedy would say that in five days he would announce that name.

June 21st, 2004: A suprising leak would appear as Kennedy's VEEP pick's name would leak out to the public as the media got a hold of it and ran with it. Kennedy had chosen none other that Representative Dick Gephardt of Missouri. This choice had been seen as the most likely and it had occurred.

June 22nd, 2004: The Kennedy camp would try and shrug off the leak and would hold a rally in St. Louis, Missouri for a more official "meeting" between Gephardt and the American People. Kennedy himself would barley mention the leak and would focus on Gephardt and the "good he's done in Congress". Gephardt would then call for a "drive forward for the country" and for "Victory in November for the Democrats and the Kennedy/Gephardt ticket".

June 28th, 2004: The Canadian Federal Election would be one of the more dirty than others as after a drawn out fight for who would be the bearer of the Conservative Party of Canada in the Election would results in Belinda Stronach winning over Stephen Harper. The Election would be a Martin vs Stronach vs Layton race and after a long battle pegging Stronach as inexperienced, a "sophomoric" candidate as attacks on Stronach were alledged to be sexist. The Liberals won easily over the Conservatives as the New Democrats made gains and were seen as a growing force in Canada.

June 28th-29th, 2004: The NATO summit in Istanbul, Turkey is held as the major structure would be a transfer of NATO to an "anti-Soviet" alliance to a "21st Century" coalition. Major talks would be about security needs and problems, talks would also be raised about the Balkans, Iraq and Afghanistan. President Nunn and other world leaders would call it a "success" for security and freedom after they returned to their respective home country.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on July 03, 2009, 02:31:03 PM
Ok Weve got the Democratic ticket...Lets see what happens on the GOP and Reform ends.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on July 06, 2009, 12:12:45 AM
June 30th, 2004: John McCain would applaud Kennedy's pick of Gephardt as his Vice Presidential candidate. McCain would say that Gephardt is a "good man" and it would make the race more interesting. McCain would also take this time to also say that he wasn't backing down on releasing names for possible VEEP's.

June 30th, 2004: The Reform Coalition Primaries/Caucuses would once again be held on one day but would be on a different day after organization of new primaries/caucuses took longer than thought as they had officially organized caucuses/primaries in all 50 states(plus DC and several territories). For the nomination would have Ralph Nader, Warren Beatty and Aaron Russo leading different factions in the Reform Coalition and they had campaigned hard and now they had to watch the results come it.

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Sen. Warren Beatty, CA
Fmr Sec. Ralph Nader, CT
Fmr Gov. Aaron Russo, NV

The results would be suprising as Beatty won big over Nader and Russo as Beatty played himself as the "Only true man to the Unite the Party" and also remained or tried to remain above the partisan fray. Nader would win a number of close victories in the North and several splotches on the West Coast and Wisconsin. Russo carried easily the more conservative and libertarian voters as he took parts of the South and the West mostly. Throughout this, Beatty played himself as the "strong moderate candidate" and gained good showings throughout the nation. After this, Beatty was crowned the Reform Coalition nominee.

July 1st, 2004: Former Secretary Ralph Nader would officially announce that he was dropping out of the presidential race and officially endorsing Warren Beatty. Russo would follow suit two days later.

July 2nd, 2004: The final touches on the repair of the North Tower would be completed as President Nunn released a statement saying that "The North Tower is like America, it held up against the blows on 9/20 as did the American People, the North Tower slowly but surely was repaired and rose again, so has America. President Nunn would also call on a day of reflection for the lives lost on 9/20 and hope for a brighter future.

July 4th, 2004: On the fourth of July , McCain, Kennedy and Beatty would take the day off from campaigning and would call for reflection for the troops fighting oversea's and to be "Proud to be Americans".

July 6th, 2004: Major crackdowns on the remaining remnants of the Taliban would bear fruit as a number of the remaining leaders would be captured. Many would say that this was possible because of the incoming troops from Iraq.

July 6th-7th, 2004: A two day summit would convene and strike a plan for dates for Presidential and Parliamentary Elections in Afghanistan. The date would be narrowed down to "Early October" as intermin President Karzai said.

July 11th, 2004: To continue his media roll, Beatty would announce his vice presidential pick early after winning in the primaries and caucuses. Beatty's pick would be popular former Governor Angus King of Maine, this pick was speculated and would balance the ticket as King had proven himself to be strongly bipartisan.

July 18th, 2004: New State Secretary Albright would meet with Interim Afghan President Hamid Karzai to discuss the Afghan Elections, troops movements and other things on the agenda. Some would say that Karzai came off as "uncomfortable" in this meeting after Albright pushed for "straight answers" from Karzai.

July 22nd, 2004: The Old Bridge of Mostar in Bosnia and Herzegovina is reconstructed and reopened after being destroyed by Bosnian Croat forces on November 9, 1993.

July 25th, 2004: Over 100,000 opponents of Israel's unilateral disengagement plan of 2004 participate in a human chain from Gush Katif, to the Western Wall, Jerusalem.

July 26th-29th, 2004: The Democratic National Convention would be held in Boston, Massachusetts in a big bash to show to America that Democrats "Unite America" as the first day of the Convention's theme declared. All through out this would have a large number of protesters outside the FleetCenter, these protester would rail against the "Warlike Democrats" and "Not four more years" in the protesters words.

Soon "Kucinich!" would begin to be chanted as the Democrats happily moved along with there Convention. In a suprise move, the keynote speaker would be Senatorial candidate Barack H. Obama, who was facing a heated fight against former Governor Jim Edgar. The Convention would unanimously nominate Vice President Joseph P. Kennedy II for President and Representative Dick Gephardt for Vice President.

July 30th, 2004: Quickly in hopes of off stopping a boost in polls for Kennedy and Gephardt with a "Convention Bounce", John McCain would officially announce his choice for Vice President. McCain would lay out that he wanted his choice to be historic and bring something new to the ticket. McCain's choice would be the suprise pick of one term Representative Clinton B. LeSueur of MS.

This pick would rope in the conservative GOP leaders as many had already backed LeSueur for reelection and though LeSueur would be criticized as being inexperienced, the GOP would solidify behind the McCain/LeSueur ticket. With this, all three major parties tickets would be ready for the fight to November.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on July 06, 2009, 08:57:24 AM
Wow...Beaty/King is arguably one of the strongest tickets the Reform Party has put up arguably since '96...They should take alot of crucial states that VP Kennedy needs to secure an electoral Victory. And old Johnnie Boy doesn't disapoint, wasn't expecting the pick of Clinton LeSour, I assume that he manages to win his congressional race in '02. This should be a really cool race...Keep it comming


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on July 15, 2009, 03:14:08 PM
August 1st-4th, 2004: US Coalition forces and Afghan forces of the National Army would begin a four day battle against dug in Taliban and other insurgents in the Khost Province. This coalition of forces would be aided by air support and would win after the four day siege of sorts over the insurgents.

August 3rd, 2004: The Statue of Liberty would be officially opened back up after a number of new security improvements were implemented.

August 10th, 2004: After a long time searching and "grouping" the suspected perpetrators behind the deaths of six aid workers back in May, Coalition forces would swoop in and capture four of the perpetrators as several had to be killed after they proved to be a threat to the coalition forces. This would be hailed as a victory for justice for the deaths of the six aid workers and the beginning of real closure for the victim's families.

August 10th-12th, 2004: The Reform Coalition would convene in Las Vegas, Nevada for there official Convention of 2004. The Convention would be easy and would flow quickly as Sen. Warren Beatty would be confirmed as their respective candidate for President, Angus King would then also be confirmed as the Vice Presidential candidate. Nader and Russo would speak during the Convention and give speeches continually stating there backing of Beatty for President. The Keynote Speakership would be a hard decision but Sen. H. Ross Perot Jr would be chosen and would give a rousing speech calling on the "American Nation to be brought together".

August 12th, 2004: New Jersey Governor James "Jim" McGreevey would announce that he was a "Gay American" and would be resigning from office effectively in November of this year. This would shake things up for a while in New Jersey after this announcement.

August 13th, 2004: Hurricane Charley would barrel into Florida and several Carribean nations as Charley would make landfall as a Category 4 Hurricane. With this, Hurricane Charley would become the most intense hurricane to strike the United States as of that time since Hurricane Andrew in 1992.

August 13th-29th, 2004: The Olympic Games would convene for the Summer Games in Athens, Greece. The games would have a more upbeat tone to it after the Beijing games four years ago had attracted protests against China's "Undemocratic Process" and the violation of rights as some said. This time it would be different, President Nunn would eagerly go to the opening ceremony as he had said that he "Would love to see the place where Democracy was born in action". All through out the games, things had an upbeat demeanor as friendly competition was the only thing to worry about for that short time.

August 30th-September 2nd, 2004: The Republican National Convention would convene in New York City, NY to nominate Sen. John McCain of Arizona and Rep. Clinton LeSueur of Mississippi for President and Vice President respectively. The Convention would be a big bash and would call on a "changing of the guard" for America and "much needed change". The keynote speaker would be up in the air before the convention as many pulled for numerous possibles, Sen. Elizabeth Dole, Sen. Mitt Romney, Gov. Linda Lingle, son of FL Governor, George P. Bush. The keynote speakership would eventually fall to Linda Lingle as she gave a rousing rebuttal to the Democrats and to "Not have another four years".

September 1st, 2004: The Asian Development would pledge millions of US dollars to Afghanistan in a plan that would span three years. President Nunn would call this a step forward for the development of Afghanistan and the region.

September 1st-3rd, 2004: Russia would be rocked as Chechen terrorist would take between 1000 and 1500 people hostage in a school. The more terrible thing to this would be the number of children being held hostage and this worry, coupled with the worry about anything about Chechen rebels would begin a tense crisis for the Russian Government. This standoff would end tragically as Russian forces would storm the school and at the end of this, nearly 400 people deaths would be confirmed and the injured would nearly be 800 in total.

September 6th, 2004: Campaigner for the McCain campaign and strong supporter, Richard Cheney would die after complications from what was suppost to be a routine surgery after some more heart troubles plagued the former Defense Secretary. McCain would say that "Cheney was a good man" and that he would extend some sincere words to Cheney's family. For that, the McCain camp would slow for the day.

September 9th, 2004: Vice President Kennedy would make a publicized trip to Afghanistan to beef up and show him as someone who could be a "World Leader". Kennedy would meet with Karzai and would discuss the War on Terrorism and possible more funding for the war and also to slowly sh**t the charge of some area's of Afghanistan to the Afghani Army from the US and Coalition forces.

September 11th, 2004: After a dip in polls, Kennedy would release a number of attack ads against McCain and Beatty after liberal and some moderate voter were going to the two other candidates. One of the attacks ads would set off a storm of criticism after it attacked McCain for not releasing more of his medical records, Kennedy would say that he "Doesn't want to elect somebody that could drop dead of natural causes in office". The Kennedy camp would say "No" to the calls to take the ad off.

September 14th, 2004: A Free Trade Agreement between Mexico and Japan would finally be cemented after years of haggling it over, the Mexican-Japanese Free Trade Agreement(MJFTA) would be officially born out of this.

September 20th, 2004: All three major candidates would take the day off from campaigning and would call on others to do the same to honor the tragic anniversary of the 9/20 attacks. Beatty would say that "It's only been three years and the wound is still there", others followed in suit. For today, the presidential campaign would be quiet.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on July 15, 2009, 06:09:46 PM
Nice update Andy, Can't wait to see how the debates come out, and what are some of the polling numbers look like?


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Lahbas on July 15, 2009, 06:50:42 PM
I hope that those Anti-McCain ads backfire. Nobody should exploit a person's medical condition for political purposes, especially when it is someone who has put his life on the line for his country.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on July 25, 2009, 10:29:27 AM
Can we expect a new instalment?


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on July 25, 2009, 03:46:25 PM
I've been busy but you and everybody can expect an new post by Monday or Tuesday.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on July 28, 2009, 08:22:17 PM
A new post will be up late tonight, so be ready.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on July 28, 2009, 11:27:28 PM
September 28th, 2004: Two days before the first Presidential Debate, polls would be released. The polls would show McCain at 39%, Kennedy 30% and Beatty at 21% with 10% going for others/unsure. These polls showed that McCain has began to push Kennedy away and seems to be riding Kennedy's flubs to the upcoming debates. Beatty's support shows that with hard effort and or if the negative campaign Kennedy is running could make him at a closer third place.

September 30th, 2004: The first Presidential Debate would open in Miami University, Florida as it would be moderated by Jim Lehrer. Kennedy, McCain and Beatty would meet for a "meeting of minds" as the first debate would range from internal and external questions ranging from health care, education, the war on terrorism and Middle East tension. McCain would win after sparring with Kennedy on foreign policy issues and saying that "Vice President Kennedy can be bullnosed on issues and we don't need somebody like that, we need somebody that can reach across the isle". 

October 5th, 2004: The only Vice Presidential debate would convene at Cleveland, Ohio at the Case Western Reserve University. The moderator, Gwenn Ifell, would ask many hard questions as she would open up the bottle in the sense as both King and LeSueur scrutinized the handling of the war on terrorism, both saying that President Nunn and Vice President Kennedy's choices were gone and it was time to try something different, LeSueur put forth a McCain like agenda calling for a stronger handling on Afghanistan as King did the more liberal thing and called for the need for a draw down and a time table for the war in Afghanistan. Though Gephardt had the most experience of all the other vice presidential picks, he didn't have a strong charisma and that left him with a blandness as LeSueur and King jumped on this. The debates victory was something of a shocker, there was no winner as many news outlets and pundits said that each candidate was about even during the debate.

October 8th, 2004: The next Presidential Debate convened in Washington University, St. Louis, Missouri. This debate would be moderated by Charles Gibson and would delve into many issues as it was varying because of the town hall-like format for the debate. McCain would be in his element for the debate and would breeze through, both Beatty and Kennedy would do the same but what threw Kennedy was the question about his campaigns negative turn and that it was turning off voters. Kennedy was slower on his reply as at first he thought about each word and was slowly spouting each word, this would be remembered as the "Kennedy Drawl". McCain comfort level in the debate would shine through and McCain would win the debate easily.

October 9th, 2004: Incumbent Afghan President Hamid Karzai wins the first ever Presidential Election of Afghanistan over a number of other presidential contenders. President Nunn of the US would be the first to congratulate Karzai for the election and would hope for continued reconstruction and rebuilding of Afghanistan.

October 10th, 2004: The next quick polls after the first and second presidential debates showed that McCain still led and if it continued like the way it was going, that McCain could continue to pull away from Kennedy and Beatty. McCain was at 40%, Kennedy at 30%, Beatty at 22% and 8% for others/not sure. These were showing that the American people were divided with this as Beatty was seen as spoiling Kennedy's chances but still many voters were sticking to their candidates after the two victories in the debates by McCain. Now many pundits speculated if Kennedy or Beatty would win the last presidential debate could throw off enough support to give them an edge.

October 11th, 2004: After several talks with international leaders by President Nunn, the Czech Republic, Great Britain, Poland, Russia and Italy would donate a cache of weapon supplies and other military equipment to the Afghan Army. Both President Karzai and President Nunn would say that this was a step to a stronger and more well defended Afghanistan.

October 12th, 2004: The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime would host an international meeting to discuss the growing heroin problem in Afghanistan.

October 13th, 2004: The Third and finale Presidential Debate would come to be in the Grady Gammage Memorial Auditorium in Phoenix, Arizona, McCain's homestate. This advantage had Kennedy and Beatty work hard to prepare for the debate and hopes of winning this key event in the Presidential Election. Moderated by Bob Schieffer, the questions would touch on poverty, social security, health care, preparations for the flu and outbreaks, terrorism, Roe v. Wade and border security. All three candidates dove head first and easily sparred between each other and tried to sharply define themselves and their stances on the issues. The debate was the one labled "The Debate" of 2004 as it was what could be characterized in Websters as what a debate was. Pundits and News Networks began to call differently as some called it a McCain win, a Kennedy upset, most called it a three man tie and even with this, this would be good news as some Americans would be thrown to being not sure now.

October 25th, 2004: Dr. Martin L. King Jr, and Coretta S. King would receive the Congressional Gold Medal, one of the highest medals that a civilian could receive.

October 29th, 2004: The next set of fast polling showed that McCain had lost some ground but still led. McCain at 36%, Kennedy at 31%, Beatty at 24% and 9% for others/not sure. These results showed that a suprising amount of Americans have changed their support but most said only barley. Electoral results were mixed, McCain also led there but by a smaller margin as many states were tossups on the electoral map.

October 31st, 2004: Leftist candidate Tabere Vasquez would be elected President of the nation of Uruguay.

November 1st, 2004: The candidates would begin there final blitz's to switch votes to them, try for a shot at upsets, victories, small or decisive ones at that and the election would all be upon the illustrious tossups as 17 states seemed they could decide who would be the next President.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on July 29, 2009, 08:28:54 AM
So what are those Tossup 17 states ITTL, I think the electoral map should be pretty interesting, Johnny Boy should still be able to pull off a victory though(All leading up to my push for either Ron Paul or Mike Bloomberg to become President in '08 as the first Reform President since Perot). You got me hooked on TTL Andy lol


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on August 06, 2009, 04:30:44 PM
We need an update, Andy


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on August 09, 2009, 05:11:40 PM

Well then, your going to get one and here it is!

November 2nd, 2004: The Election of 2004 would happen as after months of prolonged fighting and waring between the three major candidates for votes had left many Americans weary and also filled with excitement about the election this year, a year that all three parties had nominated strong candidates. The election results were easy at first, the south went for McCain, the West moved to Beatty, sections of the Northeast went to Kennedy but the tossup states were closely watched all through the night and they proved to be the illusive prizes. As the results filled in, hour after hour showed gains by each candidate in each region but soon the Democrats movement forward stalled for a long time after states like MA, NY, IL,  WV and RI were safer Democratic states and the only latest state that was called for Kennedy was the island state of Hawaii. McCain on the otherhand had continually grown his lead and his victories were showing his solidarity with conservatives, liberals and moderates in a number of states.

New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Delaware were the last states to finally be called on the East Coast as after a long and bloody battle, New Jersey was called for Kennedy and so would Delaware after a strong three way split between Kennedy, McCain and Beatty. Pennsylvania remained open still but it slowly rode the wave and would begin a chain of events as it finally fell to McCain. McCain victory would be close but close wouldn't cut it as Kennedy's plan for victory seemed to be falling apart after that with PA going to the Republicans, results began to mirror PA in Ohio as well and the Democrats hopes began to ride on the West Coast states and victories in the remaining great lake states and Iowa, New Mexico and Missouri. California proved to be one exciting race as Beatty and Kennedy fought over the state, Kennedy was popular in the state and so was the Democratic Party but Beatty had become the states favorite son of the Reform Coalition, McCain was also in the equation as if enough votes went to the other candidates that he could pull out a suprise for them all. PA set the nails in Kennedy's coffin as Ohio went to Johny Boy next, soon the battle continued as Beatty picked up Wisconsin in a close race and soon after though it being close, that Iowa would go to Kennedy after his lead had decreased but still he was leading there.

After Kennedy's victory in Iowa had put some light in the eyes of the Democrats, it would soon be doused as Missouri would be called for John McCain, this was a devastating move as the Kennedy camp at least thought they could eck out a victory there. With that one move it was effectively over, Kennedy couldn't win and they had hoped to at least maybe win CA or other states and if they had to then concede but Missouri was gone and if they won all the states up in the air, they would fall short some 50 EV from McCain and a little after 11:30, Joseph P. Kennedy II conceded the race to John McCain. Warren Beatty waited a short time but would follow suit with a concession speech. With those moves, John McCain took the stage in his homestate of Arizona to declare to a roaring audience, "We Did It!". John McCain would now be the new President-Elect of the United States.

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John S. McCain III/Clinton B. LeSeuer: 273 EV 40%

Warren Beatty/Angus King: 150 EV 28% PV

Joseph P. Kennedy II/Richard Gephardt: 115 EV 30% PV

Other (Green, Libertarian, etc): 0 EV 2% PV

-Congressional, Senate and Gubernatorial Results will be in a seperate post 


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on August 09, 2009, 07:13:55 PM
Solid Update Andy, I had a feelin old Johnny Boy would pull off a win albeiit an extremley close won. The Senatorial and Gubernatorial breakdown should be interesting. Katrina, The War and the Economic Crisis should bring down the McCain Adminstration pretty quickly. I'm pulling for Bloomberg or Paul in O8 for the first Reform Party President since Perot.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on August 10, 2009, 06:55:21 PM
Andy, you made me to hate Warren Beatty....

Waiting for McCain presidency :)


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on August 18, 2009, 08:44:39 AM
Caint wait to see the McCain adminstration's handling of the war Andy, when can we expect the next installment.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on August 18, 2009, 03:00:51 PM
Caint wait to see the McCain adminstration's handling of the war Andy, when can we expect the next installment.
Either tonight or sometime tomorrow.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on August 19, 2009, 02:47:47 PM
Layout of the Congressional Elections of 2004 and Other

House Layout

With a mixed feelings for the American people in the Congressional Elections, the Republicans would make small gains in the House against the Democrats, not enough though to gain the speakership back. After the strong showing of the Beatty/King ticket, there would be an influx of new elected officials for the Reform Coalition Party and the House was no exception.

House:
Democrats: 190 (-5)
Republicans: 188 (+3)
Reform Coalition: 57 (+2)

Senate Layout

The Senatoe were one of the big spectacles through out the election night, many races were hard fought and so many interesting characters were running for a prestigious senate seat. Illinois was a big watch as the State Senator Barack H. Obama and former Governor Jim Edgar battled in Illinois, other big races were in North Carolina, Colorado, Oklahoma, Alaska and South Dakota. The Republicans made gains but like the House, they didn't take a majority but they were close and now both the Democratic and Republican leaders would go into talks with the Reform Coalitionists to try and swing them into a alliance so that they could either keep the majority as was the case of the Democrats or to gain the majority as was the case of the Republicans.

Senate:
Democrats: 49 (-5)
Republicans: 47 (+4)
Reform Coalition: 4 (+1)

Other Layout

Gubernatorial Elections were a big watch as it was mainly a brawl between the Democrats and the Republicans. The Republicans kept Montana, New Hampshire, Utah, Vermont and North Dakota, they would also pick up victories in Washington and Delaware. The Democrats lost a number of close races and only kept West Virginia, Missouri and North Carolina for the 2004 Gubernatorial Elections.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on August 19, 2009, 02:52:07 PM
November 6th, 2004: The Australian-US Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act would finally be muscled through Congress after hardline Reform Coalitionist and Republicans opposed the legislation and called for an end to the "willy nilly free trade pact addicted Nunn Administration cramming legislation down Congress's throats" said by one major opposition leader to the act. President Nunn would sign the AUSFTA Implementation Act soon to tie up and end the battle over the legislation as quickly as possible.

November 10th, 2004: In a bloody suprise, what was said to be former Baathist loyalists, bombs go off in the Iraqi city of Fallujah. The targets were the public and populated parts of the city and it was effective as numerous civilians were killed and injured. In a suprise, instead of striking utter fear and trying to shake support for troops in Iraq for the American populace, instead Americans see the chaos and out of that what was hailed as "Heroic American an Coalition soldiers striving and bring aid and help to the hurt Fallujah City". Support for troops in Iraq would increase after the major news outlets played the images and video of this happening.

November 21st, 2004: The final round of voting in the Ukrainian Presidential Election would bring scrutiny, inside Ukraine and abroad as the results were said to be tainted and rigged. Soon protesters began to line the streets of Kiev and called foul for the results and the supposed victory Viktor Yanukovych.

November 27th, 2004: In a small comment about the happenings in Ukraine, President-Elect McCain would respond saying that "I support any moves made for democracy and I believe like all the other international leaders that those results weren't solid". Across the globe from Arizona and McCain, in Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych would say that "This elected John McCain shouldn't be meddling in our internal affairs like some animal going through trash".

December 6th, 2004: A Terrorist Saudi group would attack the US consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. This attack would kill several and shake the US some and also prompt calls for a stronger moves against terrorist in the Saudi nation. President Nunn would speak to the press about this, saying "We have to remember the lives lost but we can't ever stop being ever vigilant against a shadowy threat".

December 12th, 2004: After some time in the works, the Class Action Fairness Act of 2004 would pass in the House and Senate after a long debate over the 2004 act and it's major opposition mantra was "No More Government" as conservative Democrats and Reform Coalition and Republican opposition said, saying that the bill would give more power to the federal government and would "taint the judicial system even more". One Congressmen even would say that "If this legislation is signed into law, we might as well start calling President Nunn, King!". The Class Action Fairness Act would be another drawn out bill during the last days of the Nunn Administration and with this "partisan gridlock", President Nunn's approval ratings were hit as some said he wasn't handling his last days as good as some thought.

December 14th, 2004: The Millau Bridge would open as the tallest bridge in the world as French President Lionel Jospin would open the bridge to use and would say that "This will be one of the safest bridges in our nation".

December 18th, 2004: In a big suprise, in an interview with the now President-Elect John McCain, McCain would respond to a somewhat serious question about putting Nunn in McCain's cabinet. McCain would say "I really do think that's a good idea, President Nunn has shown his strength on the international stage and I'm looking into every possibility". This raised some eyebrows as some Conservative Republicans who prided themselves with attacking the Nunn Administration, fired back as said that if McCain would do such a thing it "Would be the biggest mistake ever". Though criticism or not, McCain would continue to say that he might just consider something out of the blue for his cabinet choices.

December 26th, 2004: Southeast Asia would be rocked as one of the worst natural disasters would hit an unprepared populace. When the strongest earthquake in 40 happen, it would create the devastating tsunami waves that crash into the coastlands of Southeast Asia. Numerous nations would be affected and the death toll afterwards would be in the devastating 100'000 in some estimates. President Nunn and the international leaders would organize any immediate aid to the affected nations in the aftermath.

December 26th, 2004: The final vote in the Ukrainian Election would bring Viktor Yushchenko to victory over Yanukovych after a long and critical election in the eastern European nation after calls of rigging and discrepancies from internationally and in there own borders. After rioting and what was called a "Orange Revolution", the Supreme Court there would set up the new election and would put Ukraine down the road for a Yushchenko victory.

December 27th, 2004: After a short while after Christmas, President-Elect would officially resign from his position as Senator of the state of Arizona. Governor Matt Salmon would pledge to choose the best successor to Senator McCain's seat in the Senate.

December 30th, 2004: Both President-Elect McCain and Vice President-Elect Lesuer would be making stops through out the nation as they get on the slow journey towards Washington, DC for the inauguration.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on August 20, 2009, 06:34:18 AM
Hmm, the Reform Coaliton had a nice pick up in the House, almost splitting the Demorat and Republican totals in half. Itll be interesting to see how truly bipartisian the McCain Cabinent will be? Im already rooting for Agnus King/Ron Paul in 2008 or Mike Bloomberg/Ron Paul in 2008, I just want another Reform Coalition President.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on September 01, 2009, 03:02:05 PM
January 2nd, 2005: President-Elect McCain would unveil a number of the remaining cabinet positions. The biggest one being the somewhat suprising pick of President Sam Nunn as State Secretary, Frank Keating for Attorney General, the suprise choice of Warren Buffet as Treasury Secretary, Chuck Hagel as Defense Secretary, McCain would also bring back Ralph Nader as Energy Secretary and the other big suprise of H. Ross Perot Jr. as Commerce Secretary.

January 4th, 2005: Another planned attack by recovering insurgents in Iraq is adverted by the remaining Coalition forces and Iraqi forces as they unravel a planned assassination on the internal Governate of Baghdad, Ali al-Haidari.

January 12th, 2005: Arizona Governor Matt Salmon would announce that Representative John Shadegg would be replacing the soon to be former Senator McCain's senate seat.

January 18th, 2005: Voting for the Iraqi Legislature goes as scheduled but reports that in some areas that armed men were coming to peoples homes and saying "Not to vote" in the election. These insurgents would be linked to the remaining Baathist forces that are slowly being rooted out by majorly by the Iraqi forces. The voting wouldn't have any large or terrorizing things as it would be a quiet election and as the Union of United Iraq won the majority in the Iraqi Legislature.

January 20th, 2005: John Sidney McCain III would be officially sworn in as the United States 44th President, Clinton LeSueur would be sworn in as the 48th Vice President of the United States. Newly sworn in President McCain would issue an daring inaugural address. McCain would call on a need for a vigorous pursuit of terrorists and insurgents in the War on Terrorism. McCain would outline huge reforms, ranging from social security, health care, economic and numerous other grandiose proposals. Many would say that new President McCain's plan's were quite large in scope but now was the time to act at the start of his term when the honeymoon was still strong.

January 29th, 2005: Ralph Nader is re-implaced as Energy Secretary again after going through his confirmation hearing with more of an ease on both sides. With both what the congressman and Nader himself are prepared for, the confirmation is more quieter though the only big thing being the question asked by several conservative Republicans, "Mr. Nader, are you to liberal to be Energy Secretary again?".

January 30th, 2005: After holding up as long as they could, former President Samuel Nunn is confirmed as the new State Secretary. When enough Democrats, Republicans and a handful of Reform Coalitionist joined and pushed Nunn through after the strong criticism of Nunn from conservative Republicans and isolationistic Reform Coalitionists nearly derailed the confirmation.

February 2nd, 2005: Senator H. Ross Perot, Jr. would finally be confirmed after a long questioning during Perot, Jr's confirmation. After his official swearing in, Perot Jr. would be quickly mentioned as a future presidential candidate.

February 6th, 2005: Super Bowl XXXIX would be held in Alltel Stadium, Jacksonville, FL. The game would be close but the Philadelphia Eagles would pull out a win over the New England Patriots.

February 8th, 2005: Danish Parliamentary Elections would spit out a victory by the center right coalition parties over the ruling Poul Nyrup Rasmussen and the center left coalition.

February 10th, 2005: The North Korean Regime would announce that they are in fact in possession of nuclear weapons. Saying that they are only for defense against the "Threatening forces of the west", especially from the United States.

February 14th, 2005: Reform Coalitionists in the Senate would finally come to an alliance after talks with Senate Democrats and Republicans. The Senate Reformers would support the Republicans in the Senate, this came as a shock to pundits as they saw Mitch McConnell become Majority Leader.

February 19th, 2005: Several assassination plots would be foiled by coalition and Iraqi forces. These plotted out assassinations were to be against leading Shia Muslims in Iraq on the Ashura.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on September 01, 2009, 05:07:03 PM
Solid update Andy, Johnny Boy seems to have a strong Bipartisan Cabinent, that along with the GOP-Reform Coalition in Congress,I have a felling we will see alot of his mavericky ideas being passed. Also did I pick up on that sense of foreshadowing with the events on 02/19/05 something horrible might happen to McCain in Georgia around May 10th of 2005. Looking forward to the next updates...Keep it comming.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on September 17, 2009, 01:34:46 PM
Part of my shameless bump...heres a nice recap on events...

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The Election of H. Ross Perot Timeline: POTUS List

41. George H.W. Bush (R-TX): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993
42. H. Ross Perot (I/RC-TX): January 20th 1993-January 20th 1997*
43. Samuel A. “Sam” Nunn Jr. (D-GA): January 20th 1997-January 20th 2005
44. John S. McCain III (R-AZ): January 20th 2005-???

Notes

42. First Third Party Candidate to win an election.

The Election of H. Ross Perot Timeline: VP List

44. Josh D. “Dan” Quayle (R-IN): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993
45. James B. Stockdale (I/RC-CA): January 20th 1993-January 20th 1997
46. David L. Boren (RC-OK): January 20th 1997-January 20th 2001
47. Joseph P. Kennedy II (D-MA): January 20th 2001-January 20th 2005
48. Clinton B. Lesueur (R-MS): January 20th 2005-???*

Notes

48. First African American Vice President.

The Election of H. Ross Perot Timeline: Failed Tickets

1992: William J. “Bill” Clinton (D-AK)/Albert A. “Al” Gore Jr. (D-TN) ; George H.W. Bush (R-TX)/Josh D. “Dan” Quayle (R-IN)
1996: H. Ross Perot (RC-TX)  ; Joseph R. “Bob” Kerrey (D-NE) ; William P. “Phil” Gramm/Peter B. “Pete” Wilson (R-CA)
2000: John E. “Jeb” Bush (R-FL)/Elizabeth H. “Liddy” Dole (R-NC) ; Jesse “The Body” Ventura (RC-MN)/Ralph Nader (RC-CT)
2004: Warren Beatty (RC-CA)/Agnus S. King Jr. (RC-ME) ; Joseph P. Kennedy II (D-MA)/Richard A. “Dick” Gephardt (D-MO)




Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on September 17, 2009, 10:21:51 PM
February 20th, 2005: Shortly into office, President McCain would begin a small tour of Europe to "show solidarity and friendship with our European allies" as McCain put it. McCain would meet with numerous European leaders, ranging from President Jospin of France, Prime Minister Blair of the UK, Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi of Italy and so many others of the prominent European leaders.

February 23rd, 2005: The French Law on Colonialism is defeated after legislators, teachers, left wing activists and President Jospin railed against it as "idiotic historical revisionism" and "an attempt to make light of racism and bigotry during the colonial era".

February 26th, 2005: When answering a questions about his trip to Europe, President McCain would answer a question about President Putin with a joke, "With him, I think I needed a coat with that man". It would get some laughs but it also set off some anger from Russian President Putin and some Russian officials.

March 9th, 2005: The People's Republic of China would beat down a proposal of a "Cordial with Taiwan" law, instead pushed a more stronger anti-secessionist law instead. Many Taiwanese see the failure of the "Cordial" law as a step backwards with relations with the PRC.

March 18th, 2005: After growing attention through out 2005, the Terri Schiavo Case had grown into a full blown media attraction as many were fascinated by what was going on with the fate of Terri Schiavao. Soon Congress would draw up what would be called the "Palm Sunday Compromise" to bring the growing legal case into federal courts. The Palm Sunday Compromise would easily pass through both the House and Senate several days later.

March 19th, 2005: Taiwanese government officials and Taiwanese political parties would organize a massive demonstration in Taipei against the "Anti-Secession" law in the PRC. Over 700,000 people would attend to protest majorly the anti secession law but also the "appeasement" Taiwanese government.

March 24th, 2005: The "Tulip Revolution" finally climaxes as the embattled Kyrgyzstani President Askar Akayev is overthrown.

March 26th, 2005: Reform Coalitionist in Congress would put up once again the "Balanced Budget Constitution Amendment". This time though after impassioned support from Reform Coalitionists, calling the amendment "One of President Perot's unresolved legacies". Soon Republicans and even some Democrats would begin to jump on it as it seemed now that the Balanced Budget amendment was gaining traction finally in Congress.

April 2nd, 2005: Pope John Paul II dies. This would cause shockwaves in the catholic and christian community around the world. Soon people estimated in the millions begin to flock to the Vatican to mourn the fallen Pope.

April 7th, 2005: Mexicano Federal District leader Andres M.L. Obrador would begin to face impeachment by the Mexicano Congress after the "El Encino" case started the whole domino effect for Obrador.

April 8th, 2005: Referendums in Curacao and several other Dutch Carribean islands leads to votes to begin the process to the dissolution of the Netherlands Antilles.

April 13th, 2005: The Border Defence Act of 2005 would be passed through the House and the Senate by fair margins. After the attacks by conservatives calling for an actual fence to be built to truly defined and linked border fence on the southern border of the United States. McCain and the reformers in the GOP were able to wrangle support from Democrats and Republicans on the side lines by using national polling showing that more Americans were for an increase in the border patrol instead of building a linked border fence. McCain would sign the Border Defence Act into law shortly afterwards.

April 19th, 2005: Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger would succeed the fallen Pope John Paul II as the next pope, becoming Pope Benedict XVI the 265th Pope.

April 26th, 2005: After going through sponsorship, committee's and being batted around, the Balanced Budget Amendment would arrive on the House floor to be voted upon. With Reform Coalitionists plentiful and in league with Republicans, the amendment seemed to be nearly certified, but even though they had a strong coalition of support, it would rely on a number of Democrats to make or break the amendment. It was closer than expected but centrist Democrats helped this "unholy union" of Republicans, Reform Coalitionists and Democrats to a vote that met the 2/3rds needed.

April 27th, 2005: After the attempted assassinations in Iraq, another assassination plot was unraveled but this time being in Afghanistan. This assassination plot would be targeted against Afghani President Hamid Karzai.

May 3rd, 2005: President McCain would suprise some by saying he would be making another trip to Europe, this one would be instead centered around meeting with Eastern European leaders. The "Eastern Europe" trip would be scheduled for a week, State Secretary Nunn would accompany McCain on this trip. 


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on September 20, 2009, 07:06:42 PM
Hmm...We're finally getting a BBA passed, itll be interesting to see what states back ratification and which one's dont. Things seem to be going pretty good so far for Johnny Boy keep this timeline comming Andy


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Cassius Dio on September 23, 2009, 06:40:07 PM
I hope this story will survive until present day.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on September 29, 2009, 12:05:24 AM
May 5th, 2005: The Labour Party and Prime Minister Tony Blair would continue there lead in Britain after they keep the majority over the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats, though with a slightly decreased majority.

May 9th, 2005: Conservative Republicans in Congress would turn out a constitutional amendment of their own, the "National Marriage Amendment". This "National Marriage" amendment would specify marriage and ban same sex marriages altogether, liberals and moderates called it as a "move of spite". Conservative fired back, calling it "an integral part to safeguard the morality of America". The National Marriage Amendment would soon head into committee where it would quietly die when it was defeated on the committee vote.

May 10th, 2005: On what seemed to be a happy and suprise stop in the Caucasus region nation of Georgia by President McCain and Secretary of State Nunn would turn quickly tragic. The trip to Georgia would be intended to be apart of the Eastern European trip by McCain. After meeting with Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili more privately, the two Presidents of the nations of Georgia and the United States would speak to a crowd of supporting Georgians in the capitol. It was quick and unknown to anyone but the slight thud wasn't noticed until State Secretary Nunn saw it and called out "Grenade!". The explosion sent screams in the audience of Georgians, both Nunn, McCain and Saakashvili would lay wounded as it was saw, Saakashvili would be the least hurt by the explosion, McCain was quite a bit wounded and wasn't moving alot, Nunn was slumped over the President in his attempt to shield McCain.

Nunn wasn't moving, McCain knew this but what punctured the screams was the croak from John McCain, "Sam? Sam...Samuel?". Samuel Nunn was dead, in an act of bravery the former President had saved the life of President McCain and also to an extent Georgian President Saakashvili. Soon the local ambulance would take the two Presidents to be treated, President McCain made his quick trip to the closest hospital in Tbilisi with flanking Secret Service. Everyone now knew now that this day in history would forever be imprinted upon them, that this day would be one of infamy inflicted upon not only the leaders of nations but the terror and hurt inflicted upon the Georgian people and Nunn's family. Today would be remembered, especially by President McCain.

May 11th, 2005: After lookovers and such, President McCain is spirited back to the United States after secret service and other McCain advisers would say that the "Safety in the nation of Georgia is in question for the time being". Questions flew at McCain's press secretary on the same day, trying to get some reading or complete answer what exactly had happened, who had been behind it and why someone had done such a thing. Press Secretary Buchanan would say it was "still a developing situation" and that "President McCain is in stable shape" and that "The President is planning a special address to the nation over what has happened in Georgia, in the coming days".

May 15th, 2005: President McCain would issue that tonight, on the 15th of May that he would be addressing the nation in a special speech to the country. After shrugging off doctors worries, McCain would privately say "I'm fine damnit!", McCain would make preparations for the special address. When it came it was shadowed by a time of mourning, many people were saddened by the death of former President Nunn and this would be added to McCain's speech. President McCain would address the nation on the shadowy night of the 15th, beginning with "My fellow Americans, my fellow citizens, a patriot and friend of both this country and a friend of mine has passed on. With sinister intent, the grenade thrown happened to land in Sam's line of sight. I do not know what went through Sam's head at that moment but his distinctive shout pierced everything and in a....a heroic move, he saved me."

At this point, many Americans see something that will be debated over for years to come, it seemed that President McCain's eyes were looking watery. Many thought as they saw this "Was Johny McCain tearing up?". Still McCain's speech went on and afterwards it was applauded, many saying that it had no move to use Nunn's death in a partisan move, no many saw it as a eloquent and kind national eulogy of one friend to another. After the special address, McCain's approval ratings would receive a substantial bump.

May 18th, 2005: President McCain he would be choosing a successor to Sam Nunn as Secretary of State in "due time" at a press conference. Reporters asked who was on the President's mind for possible leaders of the State Department. McCain didn't name any names but said he would look across the isle.

May 19th, 2005: In Canada, the ruling Liberal Party would face a battle with an reinvigorated Conservative Party under new leadership. The battle would involve budgetary bills and the "I told you so" Conservative leader Stephen Harper leading his party in an attempt to halt these budgetary bills put forward by the Liberals. Though outmatched, they would try desperately to halt them and failed as a Liberal-New Democrat coalition vote pushed the budgetary bills through easily.

May 20th, 2005: President McCain would announce that in "at least one month" he would choose a successor Secretary of State, saying he didn't want to be hasty in his choice and would want to have time for the nation to grieve over the loss of Sam Nunn and also to have time to decide a clear choice.

May 26th, 2005: Congress would pass the United States-Iraqi Confederation Free Trade Agreement by a wide margin. The vote would test the strength of the Republican-Reform Coalition alliance in Congress as diehard Coalitionists voted against "USIC-FTA" as other Coalitionists were swayed to vote for it after some convincing and concessions were made. President McCain would sign it into law afterwards.

May 29th, 2005: The French Referendum on the ratification of the European Constitution would be one of closeness. The Ruling Socialists wanted a "YES" vote as a smattering of nationalistic, "NO" Leftists and people calling that the European Constitution needed to be renegotiated in areas. The campaign was hard fought but polls showed "YES" edging out "NO", that was soon proved wrong as voters sent a clearly different message. With 52% for "NO" and 48% for "YES", "NO" won and shocked the ruling Socialists by the turn of events.

June 2nd, 2005: After the cooing and harmonious "United as One" sentiment after the death of Secretary of State Nunn, soon the capitol would be enveloped in partisan bickering as conservative Republicans began to mount a campaign for a "prison" in the sense for terrorists to be implaced at the US owned area around Guantanamo Bay. This move was publicly attacked by President McCain, calling it "a road to gulag and torture". McCain's stauch bite at the Conservatives would infuriate them even more.   


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on October 24, 2009, 08:59:36 PM
Hmm...I thought I had replied to your last post a while ago Andy, It was quite a shocker having former President/Secretary of State Nunn killed in the alt Grenade attack in turkey. Any updates soon my friend?


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on October 24, 2009, 09:47:14 PM
Hmm...I thought I had replied to your last post a while ago Andy, It was quite a shocker having former President/Secretary of State Nunn killed in the alt Grenade attack in turkey. Any updates soon my friend?
I've been taking a little break but I've been getting back into the game, if I'm correct, I have enough of the work I've done so far to make two fair sized posts. So I guess, stay tuned!


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on October 24, 2009, 10:24:33 PM
June 5th, 2005: Switzerland would vote to join the Schengen treaty and to allow same-sex partnerships. This would become one nation of many that ratified the Schengen Treaty as such.

June 14th, 2005: President McCain would meet with Afghan President Karzai to reaffirm there support to winning the war against Al Qaeda and the insurgents in Afghanistan. The major issues would include troop deployment, troop numbers, strategy and also the spread of Al Qaeda across borders.

June 17th, 2005: President McCain announces his choice for Secretary of State. The choice would be out of the blue compared to other foreseen likely candidates but former Senator John Danforth of Missouri was nominated by McCain to be the new Secretary of State.

June 21st, 2005: Alternate History writer Harry Turtledove would release his comparable to others of his work, a short alternate history novel called Sly Dog. Sly Dog would be about the election of Bill Clinton and Al Gore in 1992 over Ross Perot and James Stockdale. The story involved from the "Whitewater scandal of '93" and a big sexual scandal in 1995 that led to Clinton's impeachment as President and resignation of office. The story ended with the election of a certain Texan over Al Gore in 1996.

June 22nd, 2005: With a sense of emergency felt by many congressman and women to get that head foreign diplomat spot filled, in hasty questionnaires to nominee John Danforth, Democrats, Coalitionists and Republicans would question the former Senator. The Republicans focused more on "security" and "terrorism", Coalitionists focused on "Interventionism" to "Isolationism" as weary Democrats questioned Danforth over such things as civil rights violations around the world and what does "freedom, liberty and god given rights mean to you and to the 21st century?". Danforth's virtual last act to shore up support was saying "For far to long, many impoverished nations are going unheard. As our highest diplomat in the land, I will listen. I will listen at home, at Europe, at the Middle East, at Darfur and at Asia.". Conservative, Reformers, Moderate Republicans, most Coalitionists and many Democrats joined in and voted for the confirmation of John Danforth.

June 23rd, 2005: The Energy Change Act of 2005 is passed through Congress and signed into law by President McCain, The "ECA" Bill would be a drastic change in the United States energy policies, lumping in tax incentives, more funding for renewable energy resources, government and private research. The ECA would be shortly afterwords signed into law by President McCain.

June 28th, 2005: After a long debate over to officially take bilingualism to the national stage or to leave to the regions to decide whether or not to teach both English and French, a victory would come for Bilingualism and the "Equality" movement as the Charter of Equal Languages would be passed, asserting the the Republic of Quebec would be nationally a bilingual nation. This came with a sigh of relief from English speaker Quebeckers. Disagreement would soon rain from the Democratic Action for Quebec Party, making the case that the local levels of civilian and government life need to have the choice for themselves and the national government need not meddle in those affairs. Still, the Charter of Equal Languages had passed.

June 30th, 2005: Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor would announce that she would be retiering from the highest court in the land. A easily seen move by O'Connor after her public worries of stepping down during a Democratic or other than a Republican administration.

July 4th, 2005: The United States celebrates it's 229th Birthday as joyous and patriotic day was nearly engulfed in terror. A masterminded plot to detonate bombs in several New York City train hubs would be stopped by a smattering of FBI, CIA and other investigative groups. The news would slowly begin to break to the public but the one thing that surprised the Administration was who was behind it. It turned out to be a handful of Baathists who had came to America and had set up a sleeper cell in the nation until there plan's could come to fruition. There large scale plan was the say the least take there attacks on the road and attacks as many in the "Big Apple". With there plan foiled, the McCain Administration would hope that this would be another story to move on. It would not.

July 5th, 2005: A a long road down the fight against Alzheimer's disease, former Vice President James Stockdale would die in Coronado, California. Former President Perot, former Vice President Boren, most of the Perot Administration cabinet, numerous congressman and Stockdale's family. Eulogized by Perot, Stockdale's death would be sad for this as Americans around the nation mourned the misunderstood former Vice President.

July 7th, 2005: Numerous suicide bombs go off in key areas in London's public transport system during the morning rush. Soon after a bus was also attacked in the city, sending the populace in panic and the Blair Administration into a frenzy. After implacing Great Britian on high alert and tunneling to the survivors of the bombings in the train hubs, Prime Minister Blair would denounce the attacks as "A deadly and tragic attack on the security of Great Britain". Soon support and condolences flooded to Great Britain after the attacks, there most supportive ally being the United States would say that "the time has come to stand against terrorism and all it's evil. For to do that, we have to stand united or divided we fall". Soon the who was discovered, they were a group of English Muslims who were angry at the British and all other "Western Imperialists" meddling with the Middle East.

July 8th, 2005: Presidential posterboy of special addresses to the nation, President McCain would hold a special "talk" with the nation at 7 pm. McCain would reaffirm the United States solidarity with it's "friendship with Great Britain" and would declare that there "must be vigilance in these days of terrorism. With a terrible attack on London and a ever close call on a planned attack on New York, not just our nation but the world needs to be a vigilant watchmen against extremism".

July 9th, 2005: Conservatives in congress begin to call for the President to take a hard stance of the Iraqi Confederation to "clean up it's act and get on the ball, wiping up the remaining Baathists". McCain, wishing not to meddle in the affairs of a sovereign nation that the United States had delicately built up from the ground up during the Second Gulf War, fired back calling them "plucky men to the point of expansionists". Angered once again by "Pop Gun Johny", conservatives in congress were becoming ever polarized against President McCain, some radicals even going so far to talk about forming a "True Conservative" political party.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on October 25, 2009, 11:48:56 AM
Samuel Nunn was dead, in an act of bravery the former President had saved the life of President McCain and also to an extent Georgian President Saakashvili.

Oh Sam, saving Saakashvili life was the most stupid thing you've ever done :P


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on October 25, 2009, 02:36:59 PM
Awesome update Andy, Danforth at Secretary of State was a smart pick as, and im sure the work relationship between he and McCain will prove to be a fufiling one. Can't wait to see if he capitulates to the War Hawks on Iraq...and if Katrina still happens ITTL....Keep it comming


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on November 22, 2009, 09:29:26 AM
I demd an upadate! >:(


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on November 23, 2009, 01:09:26 PM
Well good sir, you shall receive an update!

July 14th, 2005: In another shocker of a choice by President McCain, the President would choose incumbent Senator Orrin Hatch to be the successor of Sandra Day O'Connor on the Supreme Court. His age aside, Hatch was an experience legislator and is Chairmen of the Senate Judiciary Committee. His nomination would infuriate a number of conservatives in Congress.

July 16th, 2005: On the 36th Anniversary of the launch of Apollo 11, President McCain and reformers in Congress would push a bill that would increase funding towards NASA and such. Conservatives tried to stop this, calling it "like throwing cash at a broken mule". Reformers, Coalitionists and Democrats easily voted for "Aye" over the minority conservatives and their comparable minority vote for "Nay".

July 17th, 2005: President McCain would begin his "War on Earmarks" as he put it, vetoing the Partial Economic Growth Act "pork ladden" bill in his opinion. Some Democrats decried this as "mischievous" and "onesided" and that the bill was "a needed and integral congressional bill". Some of the opponents of the veto would try and do a go over but they failed with this course of action.

July 26th, 2005: The Space Shuttle Discovery is launched on its "Return To Flight" mission. This is the first space shuttle flight in nearly 2 1/2 years since the breakup of Space Shuttle Columbia on its return from mission on February 1st, 2003.

August 6th, 2005: The Tax Code Reform Act would pass through Congress. Another one of McCain's "Political Babies" had passed and he joyously stated that "this bill has been desperately needed for the American taxpayer and now I await the bill to arrive on my desk in due speed".

August 10th, 2005: President McCain signs the Tax Code Reform Act into law, in this latest victory for McCain, he received something that other bills that hadn't been there substantially, conservative GOP support. McCain would also say that he hoped that the bill would "unburden some of the stressful paperwork of paying taxes".

August 11th, 2005: President McCain and State Secretary Danforth would call on Afghanistan to begin to shift there Democracy and begin major reforms ranging from fighting corruption in the Government, implementing a possible more Parliamentary government with a President and Prime Minister and expanding a fair and balanced political rights to their citizens. This would become apart of the "Danforth Pledge".

August 23rd, 2005: Senator Hatch would be confirmed by Congress to become the first Mormon to sit on the United States Supreme Court. This would not be without a fight as conservatives mounted a fight against Hatch but this endeavour proved futile as there attack bounced off and there numbers of opposition decreased in this fight. Senator Romney of Massachusetts gave a rebuttal to the conservative opposition, saying "All you've done is obstruct needed men and women and bills that the American people crave all because of difference in the political spectrum with your President". Quieted for now, Hatch was confirmed as such.

August 24t-25th, 2005: In a cabinet meeting, President McCain and Energy Secretary Nader would agree that they needed to "fortify" the Gulf Coast against a quickly amassing storm that seemingly is barreling towards the coast. After questioned about this by other cabinet members and debating it, McCain, Nader and there side would get what they want, a fairly sized plan for possible evacuation of major coastal cities that are labeled "undefendable" against a strong storm that it could become. The part of the plans relied on FEMA and Director James Lee Witt to do his part and ready to mobilize aid to possible affected area's. Defense Secretary Hagel would ask "What was the name of the storm again?", Nader would reply flatly "Katrina".

August 26th, 2005: FEMA Director James Lee Witt began to quickly implement immediate planning and setting out the "McCain-Nader Plan" in full force. This was of course on the word of the President and also because Katrina was barreling now headlong towards New Orleans, the possible devastation was looming and the McCain Administration was quickly moving to cement a "impregnable" fortress along the Gulf Coast.

August 27th, 2005: President McCain would personally call Mayor Ray Nagin of New Orleans and ask him to begin the evacuation of the city. Mayor Nagin would agree with the President, seeing that the oncoming "storm that most of us have long feared" was coming. Later that day, Mayor Nagin issued a mandatory evacuation of the city and the creation of "Refuges of last resorts" for citizens that couldn't leave.

August 28th, 2005: After the success of the "Nagin Call", President McCain called up the Governor of Louisiana and several other state Governors and asked if they could send or spare any national guardsmen to aid in the evacuation of New Orleans. A dollop of guardsmen were set from Texas, Arkansas, Mississippi and Tennessee to aid in the evac of New Orleans. This would show only a fraction of the grandiose "McCain-Nader Plan".

August 29th, 2005: The "Storm of 2005" came with fury. The whole entire Gulf Coast seemed to be hunkered down and prepared for the worst things to be. Though with FEMA, the McCain Administration and in turn, the readied local area, many of the gulf states were prepared. As forecasted, Katrina began to spread wreck and destruction as it plowed towards New Orleans. After it was over, pictures filtered in, New Orleans almost look if it were in ruin, as people saw this, they equated those pictures to the whole Gulf Coast as a terror flooded them.

People in the McCain Administration would try and talk down the President from heading immediately to the affected area's, this failed as Vice President LeSueur wished to go to Mississippi to visit the affected area's as well. Now with Katrina loosing strength as it dug upwards around the Mississippi River and beyond, the flooding to New Orleans wouldn't be as bad as expected as a "thank god" went to the thrown up emergency levees by the Army Corps. Late into the 29th, President McCain wouldn't have festivities for his 69th birthday as he pressured his advisors to allow him to go to New Orleans. President McCain brashness on the subject to an immediate stop in New Orleans would have consequences in the days to come.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on November 24, 2009, 08:19:31 AM
Hmmm...I don't like that hint of foreshadowing Andy lol, makes it sound like Johnny Boby isn't coming back from New Orleans. Can't wait to see how the adminstration handles this crisis...Keep it comming.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Dancing with Myself on November 28, 2009, 03:51:17 PM
Come on Andy we need an update!


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on December 05, 2009, 05:08:04 PM
Well guys the computer that had all the things for the next post has crashed or something and for the time until I either rewrite allot of it or the computer is fixed, I guess this will be on temporary hold. Don't fear, I will continue this TL. :)


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Dancing with Myself on December 09, 2009, 04:38:16 PM
Well guys the computer that had all the things for the next post has crashed or something and for the time until I either rewrite allot of it or the computer is fixed, I guess this will be on temporary hold. Don't fear, I will continue this TL. :)

Don't worry, take your time.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on December 17, 2009, 10:03:23 PM
Well guys the computer that had the info I needed is fixed or so the fixer-upper man has said. All I need to do is pick it up and then check and see if the written down posts were saved or not, so stayed tuned and hopefully a little "Season Premiere" can be in the works!


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on December 23, 2009, 08:03:20 PM
August 30th, 2005: Vice President LeSueur would visit his old Congressional District he represented, the 2nd Mississippi Congressional district to be exact. LeSueur would famously state "Even though the storm came and chaos came with it, we will rebuild. It's the American nature to rebuild and build ourselves up. Since the times of Reconstruction and the afteryears of World War 1 and 2 and the Great Depression, this nation and every state in the Union has the spirit of rebuilding and strive in their hearts".

August 31st, 2005: After being held back by his advisers to leave some time for the national guard to begin there phase into order in the wrecked New Orleans, President McCain would set his first steps in part of the city that wasn't flooded but still showed the awe destruction of the city. The looks McCain and his advisers gave were ones of fear and disbelief but that subsided as Mayor Nagin greeted the President and exchanged there pleasantries and went on a "tour" of sorts of the city. During this tour though, a shot rang out and Mayor Nagin was hit square in the chest, secret service sprung into action and spirited the President and the Mayor away as both Nagin and McCain were wearing bullet proof vests if something about those "snipers" proved true.

September 1st, 2005: After his short time in New Orleans, President McCain would return to Washington as Vice President LeSueur would stay for the time in his homestate of Mississippi. McCain would ready himself and later that night would issue a special address to the nation. "My friends, my citizens, on August 29th, 2005, New Orleans and Gulf Coast was devastated. Now we must triumph against decay and anarchy, we must rebuild our cities, our states, our lives. I do hope that with people like Mayor Nagin, that this rebuilding process can have solid leadership...".

September 2nd, 2005: Congress speedily passes the "Gulf Coast Recovery Act", which would give funds and extra aid to the affected Gulf Coast region after Hurricane Katrina. The GCRA would be passed with near unanimous "AYE" on the piece of legislation. President McCain would quickly sign the GCRA into law.

September 4th, 2005: Alabama Senator Jeff Sessions attacks President McCain as his "overbearing sense of pride and stubbornness will only lead to Americans being killed". Attacking on his brashness that nearly led Mayor Nagin to be killed in New Orleans by sniper fire. Sessions would add that "if nothing is changed, then there is no room for me in the Republican Party".

September 7th, 2005: A first for Egypt occurs as the Egyptian Presidential race would be a multi party race between the longtime incumbent Hosni Mubarak and the Tomorrow Party and New Wadf Party candidates. Election results would of course put incumbent President Hosni Mubarak back into power with 80% of the vote, compared to Ayman Nour's 14% and Numan Gomaa with 6%. With such a lopsided victory, both Nour and Gomaa would call out Mubarak for allegations of election fraud. Mubarak rebuffed these allegations, saying that "Democracy was beginning" in Egypt. Still protesters began to rally.

September 10th, 2005: The United States State Department under the wishes of Secretary Danforth, would issue a statement over the Egyptian Election, sighting that they were pleased to see democratic reforms coming to be but stressing that "Democracy isn't a one way street". Danforth himself would say that the Egyptians needed to show solidarity but allow peaceful protest to occur against their government, sighting that it was "one of the core essentials for a stable and working democracy".

September 11th, 2005: The Liberal Democrats under Junichiro Koizumi wins a landslide victory in the Japanese general election, gathering in a complete total of nearly 300 seats to the Democrats.

September 12th, 2005: A powered left sweeps into power over the conservative coalition in the Norwegian parliamentary election and would gain the majority and would allow to implace Jens Stoltenberg as Prime Minister.

September 14th-16th, 2005: One of the largest summits is held in New York City by the United Nations. This summit was cheerfully described as a "once-in-a-generation opportunity to take bold decisions in the areas of development, security, human rights and reform of the United Nations". This hope would also come with the hopes to reform the United Nations and to change it into an effective peacekeeping and humanitarian "machine". Over the course, practically every nation was represented and had some part of speaking time to the assembled nations, the suprise came when both President McCain and Secretary Danforth arrived in New York. Secretary General Kofi Annan would propose a major package of initiatives called the "Larger Freedom". McCain and numerous other world leaders would praise Annan for his motives to "protect the certain given humans rights". The "Larger Freedom" package would slide through shortly afterwords and was added to the UN charter.

September 20th, 2005: The fourth anniversary of the 9/20 attacks would take place. President McCain and former Presidents Bush, Perot and Carter would attend the event and would lay a wreath in honor of the anniversary. McCain would declare that "freedom has been tested in the past four years and is stronger than ever. However those who disregard the need for security and awareness are doomed to repeat tragedy".

September 23rd, 2005: French President Lionel Jospin would visit France's overseas territories, namely French Guiana and the small Carribean Island holdings. The visit would push for solidarity with Paris but would be peppered with hopes of independence from France in the coming future. This hope for the future wouldn't be seen with Jospin's eyes as shortly into his stop in Pointe-a-Pitre, a shot ran out after the words "Allah Akbar!" was shouted. Jospin went down as the crowd panicked and fear sprang up after the shot. As they rushed the French official to the nearest hospital, things were uncertain of why, or who did this, if Jospin would live and a deep gnawing terror in everyone asked, "Would this happen again?".

September 25th, 2005: It is confirmed that French President Jospin will live but he will be confined to a wheelchair as the gunshots had damaged Jospins spine and the French President may be confined to a wheelchair for the rest of his life after this attack.

September 26th, 2005: Condolences rain from the international community as the two closest allies to France, Britain and the US make similar statements issuing a cool condolence to Jospin but also make stern warnings to terrorists that more direct action would be taken if attacks like this continued.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on December 23, 2009, 10:12:33 PM
Awesome, I really do wan't to see a President Lesuer...Maybe McCain's faces another serious bout with Melanoma and is forced to not seek a second term due to his health. Lesuer gets the nod in '08 possibly...


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on January 11, 2010, 09:58:36 AM
Vote Bloomberg in '08!!!lol


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Derek on January 23, 2010, 12:23:45 AM
[img]https://uselectionatlas.org/TOOLS/genusmap.php?year=1992&ev_c=1&pv_p=1&ev_p=1&type=calc&AL=2;9;5&AK=2;3;4&AZ=2;8;4&AR=1;6;5&CA=1;54;4&CO=2;8;4&CT=2;8;3&DE=1;3;4&DC=1;3;8&FL=2;25;4&GA=2;13;4&HI=1;4;4&ID=2;4;4&IL=1;22;4&IN=2;12;4&IA=2;7;4&KS=2;6;4&KY=2;8;4&LA=2;9;4&MD=1;10;4&MA=1;12;4&MI=2;18;4&MN=1;10;4&MS=2;7;5&MO=1;11;4&MT=2;3;3&NV=2;4;3&NH=2;4;4&NJ=2;15;4&NM=1;5;4&NY=1;33;4&NC=2;14;4&ND=2;3;4&OH=2;21;4&OK=2;8;4&OR=1;7;3&PA=1;23;4&RI=1;4;4&SC=2;8;5&SD=2;3;4&TN=2;11;4&TX=2;32;4&UT=2;5;4&VT=1;3;4&VA=2;13;4&WA=1;

This is the map without Perot.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Derek on January 23, 2010, 12:24:21 AM
[img]https://uselectionatlas.org/TOOLS/genusmap.php?year=1992&ev_c=1&pv_p=1&ev_p=1&type=calc&AL=2;9;5&AK=2;3;4&AZ=2;8;4&AR=1;6;5&CA=1;54;4&CO=2;8;4&CT=2;8;3&DE=1;3;4&DC=1;3;8&FL=2;25;4&GA=2;13;4&HI=1;4;4&ID=2;4;4&IL=1;22;4&IN=2;12;4&IA=2;7;4&KS=2;6;4&KY=2;8;4&LA=2;9;4&MD=1;10;4&MA=1;12;4&MI=2;18;4&MN=1;10;4&MS=2;7;5&MO=1;11;4&MT=2;3;3&NV=2;4;3&NH=2;4;4&NJ=2;15;4&NM=1;5;4&NY=1;33;4&NC=2;14;4&ND=2;3;4&OH=2;21;4&OK=2;8;4&OR=1;7;3&PA=1;23;4&RI=1;4;4&SC=2;8;5&SD=2;3;4&TN=2;11;4&TX=2;32;4&UT=2;5;4&VT=1;3;4&VA=2;13;4&WA=1;


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Derek on January 23, 2010, 12:36:40 AM
[img]https://uselectionatlas.org/TOOLS/genusmap.php?year=1992&ev_c=1&pv_p=1&ev_p=1&type=calc&AL=2;9;5&AK=2;3;4&AZ=2;8;4&AR=1;6;4&CA=1;54;4&CO=2;8;4&CT=2;8;4&DE=1;3;4&DC=1;3;8&FL=2;25;4&GA=2;13;4&HI=1;4;4&ID=2;4;4&IL=1;22;4&IN=2;12;4&IA=2;7;4&KS=2;6;4&KY=2;8;4&LA=2;9;4&MD=1;10;4&MA=1;12;4&MI=2;18;4&MN=1;10;4&MS=2;7;5&MO=1;11;4&MT=2;3;3&NV=2;4;3&NH=2;4;4&NJ=2;15;4&NM=1;5;4&NY=1;33;4&NC=2;14;4&ND=2;3;4&OH=2;21;4&OK=2;8;4&OR=1;7;3&PA=1;23;4&RI=1;4;4&SC=2;8;4&SD=2;3;4&TN=2;11;4&TX=2;32;4&UT=2;5;4&VT=1;3;4&VA=2;13;4&WA=1;11;3&WV=1;5;4&WI=2;11;4&WY=2;3;4&ME=1;2;3&ME1=1;1;3&ME2=1;1;3&NE=2;2;4&NE1=2;

This is the third time I've tried to post my map on 1992 without Ross Perot. Here is my estimation.

Bush 308
Clinton 230

Bush wins OH, MI, IA, WI, LA, KY, TN, GA, NJ, CT, NV, CO, MT. Idk even know if I did all the states right but here it is.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on January 23, 2010, 01:55:32 PM
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Is this what you were going for Derek?


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Derek on January 25, 2010, 02:46:11 AM
Yes thanks I appreciate that. I've done the maps right before. The only thing is that I didn't have more than a state or 2 where less than 40% won.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Derek on January 25, 2010, 02:53:54 AM
1992&ev_c=1&pv_p=1&ev_p=1&type=calc&AL=2;9;5&AK=2;3;4&AZ=2;8;4&AR=1;6;4&CA=1;54;4&CO=2;8;3&CT=2;8;3&DE=1;3;4&DC=1;3;8&FL=2;25;4&GA=2;13;4&HI=1;4;4&ID=2;4;4&IL=1;22;4&IN=2;12;4&IA=2;7;4&KS=2;6;4&KY=2;8;4&LA=2;9;4&MD=1;10;4&MA=1;12;4&MI=2;18;4&MN=1;10;4&MS=2;7;5&MO=1;11;4&MT=2;3;3&NV=2;4;3&NH=2;4;4&NJ=2;15;4&NM=1;5;4&NY=1;33;4&NC=2;14;4&ND=2;3;4&OH=2;21;4&OK=2;8;4&OR=1;7;3&PA=1;23;4&RI=1;4;4&SC=2;8;5&SD=2;3;4&TN=2;11;4&TX=2;32;4&UT=2;5;4&VT=1;3;4&VA=2;13;4&WA=1;11;3&WV=1;5;4&WI=2;11;4&WY=2;3;4&ME=1;2;3&ME1=1;1;3&ME2=1;1;3&NE=2;2;5&NE1=2;1;5&NE2=2;1;5&NE3=2;1;4[/img]


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Derek on January 29, 2010, 01:16:56 AM
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Here is my map without Ross Perot. Bush would've been the least popular president to ever be re-elected.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Derek on January 29, 2010, 01:22:20 AM
http://[img]https://uselectionatlas.org/TOOLS/genusmap.php?year=1992&ev_c=1&pv_p=1&ev_p=1&type=calc&AL=2;9;5&AK=2;3;4&AZ=2;8;4&AR=1;6;4&CA=1;54;4&CO=2;8;3&CT=2;8;3&DE=1;3;4&DC=1;3;8&FL=2;25;4&GA=2;13;4&HI=1;4;4&ID=2;4;4&IL=1;22;4&IN=2;12;4&IA=2;7;4&KS=2;6;4&KY=2;8;4&LA=2;9;4&MD=1;10;4&MA=1;12;4&MI=2;18;4&MN=1;10;4&MS=2;7;4&MO=1;11;4&MT=2;3;3&NV=2;4;3&NH=2;4;4&NJ=2;15;4&NM=1;5;4&NY=1;33;4&NC=2;14;4&ND=2;3;4&OH=2;21;4&OK=2;8;4&OR=1;7;3&PA=1;23;4&RI=1;4;4&SC=2;8;5&SD=2;3;4&TN=2;11;4&TX=2;32;4&UT=2;5;4&VT=1;3;4&VA=2;13;4&WA=1;11;3&WV=1;

Here is the 1992 one I think. LOL


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on January 30, 2010, 08:45:08 PM
September 30th, 2005: After the attempted assassination attempt on French President Jospin's life, the Danish paper "Jyllands-Posten" would decide against printing a cartoon depicting the Muslim prophet Muhammed. This would lead to a number of resignations at the paper over the "sellout to self censorship".

October 1st, 2005: Bombings orchestrated by the Jemaah Islamiyah in Bali, Indonesia would kill over 20 and injure over 100.

October 4th, 2005: The conservative Democratic Action Party in Quebec protest the passage of legislation banning private health care. Democratic Action party leaders would vow to take it all the way to the highest court in Quebec.

October 10th, 2005: Australian journalist Stephen DuPont films a German solider beating a Afghan women in Kabul. Hounding her and calling her a "whore" and "holding out" on him. The video would hit the German people in a terrible way and it would soon go viral, appearing on Youtube and replayed on numerous newsnetworks. The German soldier would be quickly punished by the leaders of the German Army or Heer.

October 18th, 2005: Exxon, in conjunction with Kurdish provincial leaders, would begin oil exploration in the area. Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan would criticize the move, saying it was a "threat to precious Turkish natural resources" that straddle the border of the Iraqi Confederation and Turkey.

October 21st, 2005: The 200th anniversary of the Battle of Trafalgar is held and celebrations occur through out Great Britain but masking this holiday would be insidious motive. Midway through the day, two explosive ladden vans explode close to selected denser populated areas in London. Chaos soon rains in Britain again and the death count rises and others worry about more of these van attacks. The death toll is placed at 83, the injured and wounded is 266. Prime Minister Blair would call for a time of mourning and to also send a "bold message" to terrorists.

October 26th, 2005: Prime Minister Tony Blair announces that in conjunction, Great Britain would be sending more troops into Afghanistan to aid American and coalition forces further. This would be one part of Blair's "response" to the Trafalgar Attacks.

October 28th, 2005: A week after the Trafalgar Celebration Bombings, Osama bin Laden would release another tape of himself. In it Osama would declare that Al Qaeda was behind the Trafalgar attacks and that "with every day, month and year" soldiers were in Afghanistan, that more attacks on "the devils of the west" would occur. It now seemed that the free world was not looking down the barrel of a gun, instead they were looking at a ticking time bomb sitting directly at their feet, ready to go off at any moment.

October 31st, 2005: After calls made in the days after the 10-28-05 bin Laden tape, President McCain would announce huge overhalls for the War on Terrorism as in brash move, more troops would be sent into Afghanistan to "aid further in the rebuilding" and to "catch needed villians of terror" an aside to bin Laden. McCain would also announce funds would also flow into the distraught Pakistan.

November 1st, 2005: President Jospin and outgoing German Chancellor Gerhard Schroder would back President McCain's call for more force and prosecution to get more done in Afghanistan and to put more funding and resources into finding and capturing Osama bin Laden.

November 10th, 2005: Bombs go off in the Jordanian capitol of Amman in a coordinated strike on three popular westerner areas. These attacks would take the lives of 60 but soon the biggest shock filters out that Kofi Annan has been killed in the attacks in Amman. It soon seems that the attacks were coordinated to coinside with the Secretary General's trip to Jordan.

November 11th, 2005: Criticism reigns in on the terrorists and the attack on Amman and aid and goodwill pours into the Jordanian capitol for the death of over 60 men and women. President McCain, Prime Minister Blair and new UN Secretary General Louise Frechette would be the most vocal critics of these attacks. Both McCain and Blair would vow to secure aid and supplies to Amman, as well as tracking down the "enemies of decency and free will".


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on January 31, 2010, 01:11:04 AM
I have the strangest feeling that things are going to Nuclear ITTL's War on Terror'which seems much more Nastier than IOTL. A Suitcase explosive most likely would do the horrible dead, but I do get wiered overtones that we really are going to see President McCain to go all out. Keep it comming Andy.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on February 25, 2010, 02:22:56 PM
November 19th, 2005: The Amman attacks are linked to an a group of Iraqi citizens that were affiliated with local Iraqi extremist groups that resent western sway over the Iraqi Confederation.

November 28th, 2005: The first major census is begun in the Iraqi Confederation in over a decade. The late 2005 census goal would be more importantly rank the population numbers of Iraq's ethnic backdrop to end at least several of the border disputes between the internal confederated autonomous zones.

December 3rd, 2005: Nations from all around the Middle East region meet in Kuwait City, Kuwait for a mutual meeting over a binding and "tight nit" security accords with the nations of the middle east and the United States. This US move made by President McCain wishes will be coined as a "Blanket of Stars" by some critics but still, it cements the United States sway in the Middle Eastern world. The Kuwait City Accords would be ratified in little over two weeks by the attending nations.

December 6th, 2005: An Iranian c-130 Hercules airplane would crash into a ten story civilian building in Tehran. All aboard the C-130 would be killed and 34 residents in the building. The Iranian government would lay some of the blame on the United States for it's continued sanctions against Iran.

December 9th, 2005: Congress passes the Afghanistan War Investment Act of 2005. The bill would transfer more funding toward the war strategy in Afghanistan.

December 14th, 2005: Benazhir Bhutto returns to Pakistan after arguing against the growing corruption and chaos in her home nation. Bhutto would call for an allowance to hold new elections for the Pakistani Parliament.

December 23rd, 2005: The Taliban make their most daring strike into the heart of Pakistan. In response to to the return of Bhutto and Pakistan's ratification of the Kuwait City Accords, terrorist groups would bomb the capitol, Islamabad, in a brazen move, killing ten Pakistani legislatures, numerous civilians and President Soomro.

December 23rd, 2005: Chad declares a state of war against Sudan, following attacks on Adre.

December 24th, 2005: As the western world is taken aback by the ever growing violence in Pakistan, Chairmen of the Senate of Pakistan Jan Mohammad Jamali takes over as interim President of Pakistan.

December 25th, 2005: US Ambassador to Chad Donald Yamamoto would be ordered by the State Department to meet with Chadian President Idriss Deby in the capitol of M'Djamena. Yamamoto would convince Deby to meet with the Sudanese President at a neutral location. Deby would agree to this but would remark that "I believe that Sudan will not heed our calls anyway".

January 1st, 2006: The world celebrates their entrance into a new year. It is solemn though, with the growing mess in Pakistan and the spector of terrorism over so many peoples heads the only thing that people can feel good is that "2005: The Year of Hell" is over.

January 1st, 2006: On the same day marking the end of the "Year of Hell", disputes over price between Russia and Ukraine lead to Russia to cut the flow of natural gas to Ukraine.

January 5th, 2006: At the neutral meeting place of Lagos, Nigeria, Chadian and Sudanese diplomats meet. This meeting would be mediated by US State Secretary Danforth and Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit and the pair would attempt to hammer out peace, however long it could last. The Sudanese diplomats continually state that they have kept the lines of communication open and blame the "blunt men of Deby" for stopping communication between the nations. One Chadian diplomat would explode and would call Sudan a "sanctioner of murder".

January 6th, 2006: After a terrible opening, the diplomats of Chad and Sudan are convinced to come back to the diplomatic table. The meeting is as heated as was the day before, still Danforth and Gheit are able to hammer out some inroads and understandings. Danforth would say to Gheit in private that "this probably isn't enough for peace".

January 7th, 2006: The gas crisis with Ukraine and Russia is solved, ending the tense situation for Europe.

January 8th, 2006: The Banking Reform act barley passes the House. The Banking Reform Act is called "wasteful regulation of a working system" by conservatives. Enough Democrats and moderate Coalitionists and Republicans send the bill thru though.

January 14th, 2006: Using the Kuwait City Accords, the United States and the United Nations sends peacekeeper forces into the distraught Pakistan. Pakistani President Jamali welcomes this move by President McCain and do the Pakistani people as well. In one interview of a western reporter with a Pakistani farmer, the farmer would reply "anything to stop the Taliban, there the reason my family has left our home".

January 15, 2006: President McCain addresses the nation in a special address. In this address, McCain talks of the new peacekeeping intervention in Pakistan. McCain calls for international and internal support for the peacekeeping move and also stresses the needs to "safeguard the Pakistani people and to put to rest the worry of loose nuclear weapons".

January 17th, 2006: Several contingents of coalition troops stationed in Afghanistan get orders that they are being sent to Pakistan. One of these soldiers is US Sergeant Patrick Daniel "Pat" Tillman. Tillman quickly scribbles in his notebook "there's one thing that not needed, war. This whole War of Terrorism is getting ridiculous!".


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: 21st Century Independent on March 01, 2010, 04:02:42 AM
He would have been a great President. He saw the need for investment here way ahead of any other candidate. Not to mention tackling the deficit early. Clinton did this as well, but Perot would have done it better and sooner. He would have tried to have pushed for a constitutional amendment for balancing the budget as well. He would have also pushed for a line item veto.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on March 01, 2010, 04:03:56 AM
He would have been a great President. He saw the need for investment here way ahead of any other candidate. Not to mention tackling the deficit early. Clinton did this as well, but Perot would have done it better and sooner. He would have tried to have pushed for a constitutional amendment for balancing the budget as well. He would have also pushed for a line item veto.

True, Perot has truly been a leader on certain issues, such as how to price gouge California on energy.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: 21st Century Independent on March 01, 2010, 04:05:19 AM
He would have been a great President. He saw the need for investment here way ahead of any other candidate. Not to mention tackling the deficit early. Clinton did this as well, but Perot would have done it better and sooner. He would have tried to have pushed for a constitutional amendment for balancing the budget as well. He would have also pushed for a line item veto.

True, Perot has truly been a leader on certain issues, such as how to price gouge California on energy.

I wasn't aware of this.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Derek on March 11, 2010, 12:43:42 PM
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This is the election without Ross Perot.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on March 14, 2010, 02:15:57 PM
January 18th, 2006: The first contingents of peacekeepers touch down in Islamabad, Pakistan. The whole peacekeeping mission has been criticized by several nations but it had also been backed by the United Nations. Though this backing is tense at that.

January 18th, 2006: The Senate would see a similar split in the vote over the Banking Reform Act of 2006. In a close vote of 53-44-3, with a handful of "AYE" voters barley on board, the bill passes. Secretary Nader would call this "another notch in the belt of reform against out of control groups like Wall Street".

January 19th, 2006: The DOW takes a dive after the passage of the Banking Reform Act of 2006 and Secretary Nader's words fuel worry and speculation of what the repercussion the '06 banking act would do. Treasury Secretary Buffett would put to rest President McCain's worries about a runaway economic downturn, saying that the "bill would set up a safety net for Wall Street" and would "allow more involvement in the banking system to make a more fair market".

January 20th, 2006: Osama bin Laden releases another tape, railing against the move by McCain and NATO to send peacekeepers to fight against the festering Taliban and Al Qaeda insurgency. Osama bin Laden remarks on the next "stage of aggression by the imperial westerners against the Muslim people" and would push again that there would be more attacks around the globe if more western soldiers remained in the Middle East.

January 23rd, 2006: Canadian general elections are held. The results make the Conservative Party the top dog to say in Canada with their leader Stephen Harper, who would be taking the reins as Prime Minister with their victory. The results were 116 Conservatives, 85 Liberals, 31 New Democrats.

January 24th, 2006: Congressman Kucinich goes on the attack against President McCain, calling the Arizonan President a "war mongering perpetrator in the endless war on terrorism". Kucinich also quips that there can be "no peace under Pop gun Johny".

January 25th, 2006: In the Palestinian Legislative Council elections, Fatah barley holds onto their majority over Hamas by a 44%-42% win.

January 25th, 2006: McCain supporting Republicans and Democrats attack Kucinich as a "unpatriotic Ohioan". Kucinich is angered by these attacks, especially from his fellow Democrats. The Congressman would then go on the warpath, attacking the Democratic Party as the new party of "Yes Men". Congressman Kucinich would also say the intervention was "illegal warfare".

January 26th, 2006: United States and Coalition forces would open up an expanded campaign in six of the eastern provinces in Afghanistan. The reasoning for this expanded campaign would to take the fight to the Taliban and their six major shadow governments in those provinces.

January 28th, 2006: The 2006 fiscal year budget is submitted to Congress. As always, it is a tight rope balancing act as the President and Congress attempt to keep the deficit as low a possible and spending to what is truly needed for the year. A number of Conservative Republicans position themselves as "Defenders of a Rational Budget" and are critical of what they perceive as "overindulgent budgets" and use the 2006 fiscal budget as a pulpit to rail against President McCain and the more moderate faction of the Republican party. The showdown would be set between these "Defenders" and President McCain's coalition.

February 2nd, 2006: Heated debate envelopes the House of Congress. Conservative reform Republicans find a voice of moderation in Congresswomen Sarah Palin, who calls for conservatives to stand by President McCain and not "divide the party anymore". Still those firebrand conservative spending hawks lead the attack that tears into the budget. Congressman John Swallow rails against the budget, saying it puts too little to aid private business. Congressman Chris Shays, a supporter of McCain and the budget, calls out "obstructionists" and remarks on the budget being "a clear and cut budget that will aid the average American". When Shays said this, Congressman Joe Wilson yelled "You Lie!". This showed how divisive the battle was going to be for the 2006 budget.

February 5th, 2006: The Green Bay Packers win against the Pittsburg Steelers by 20-13 in Super Bowl XL, at Ford Field, Detroit.

February 6th, 2006: Quebecois legislatures would introduce legislation to finally make only French in schools, the official national language and the language that all government documents will use. This sparks anger from self monickered "Quebeckers" and the Equality Party.

February 8th, 2006: The House votes of the 2006 Federal Budget. Though the budget hawks rabble rouse quite a bit, enough of "McCain's Coalition" comprising of moderate GOPers, Coalitionists and bipartisan Democrats push the Budget through. The vote is  301-116-18, with 301 for "AYE", 116 for "NAY" and 18 abstaining. The passage of the budget in the House was expected as the House is more friendly than the Senate with President McCain.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on March 17, 2010, 11:10:30 PM
February 9th, 2006: Congressman Joe Wilson refuses to apologize to Congressman Shays. Wilson says that "I may have been caught up in the moment but my concern is valid". Wilson's Democratic and Reform Coalition opponents bombastically attack Wilson for being a "heartless obstructionist that Washington has to many of already". Even South Carolina native Agriculture Secretary Mark Sanford calls for Wilson to apologize.

February 10th, 2006: The 2006 Winter Olympics open in Quebec City, Quebec. The opening ceremonies are a proud moment for all citizens of the Republic of Quebec as a unifying forces runs through the city as both the games and the symbolic motto of the games "Je me souviens" brings a hope to Quebecois and Quebeckers alike.

February 17th, 2006: Bilinguals and "French Only" demonstrators and counter demonstrators clash in the streets of Montreal. It is a bloody affair as it all started with a thrown rock and the tense feelings between the opposing forces. When the terrorizing 132 person crowd is broken up, 14 people would be taken to the hospital, one would sadly die. This would be another sad black mark on the otherwise hopeful Quebec City games.

February 20th, 2006: The Senate passes the 2006 Federal Budget by a fair margin. With that said, as always President McCain will whip out the pen to sign. With the passage of the budget, the military funding is increased as a number of social programs loose out on funding because.

February 22nd, 2006: A plot to kill visiting Defense Secretary Hagel in Jordan is discovered and the man behind this plot is linked to Al Qaeda. The man is Ramzi Yousef, a Kuwait born Pakistani Arab. Yousef says that the attempt was "justice against the west" for the imprisonment of Yousef's Uncle, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed.

February 22nd, 2006: A bomb plot is halted before it could occur by Iraqi special police forces. The attempted plot was to plant explosives in the Al Askari Mosque, a Shiite holy site, in Samarra, Iraq. If they had went through with the plot, it could have set off a wave of anger in the split Iraqi Confederation.

February 23rd, 2006: The Ugandan general election occurs on the 23rd. The results are a reelection for the incumbent, Yoweri Museveni, against his closest opponent by a 53% to 43%. Museveni's closest opponent, Kizza Besigye cries foul in the election again like the likes of the 2001 general election.

February 24th, 2006: Major bombing campaigns are carried out by insurgency against the peacekeepers in Pakistan. the attacks are centered on Islamabad, Karachi and Lahore. The death toll will rise to 215 over the day.

February 25th, 2006: The Ugandan election commission certifies the election results in favor of a Museveni reelection. This won't be the end of the "Ugandan Crisis", instead another decision must be made by the Supreme Court of Uganda to officially decide because of suppressive means used during the election.

February 28th, 2006: The Quebec City Olympic games end on the 28th. Though with the hectic background fighting with multilingual and French only supporters, the Quebec games still brought together the world for short time in some hope of peace.

March 1st, 2006: Supporters of Besigye and other opposition candidates, march on the Ugandan capitol of Kampala. These protests soon turn bloody as riot police clash and forcibly disperse the crowd by tear gas. After some of the protesters still remained after that, the riot police advanced, taking down and assaulting a number of people.

March 3rd, 2006: Peacekeepers begin to train the Pakistani forces to be well equipped against the dug-in Taliban insurgents in the north and their slow but pressing advance across the Afghan-Pakistani border. One of these trainers is Sergeant Pat Tillman, who has his notebook that the other soldier's jokingly refer to as "Pat's Papers". In the notebook, Tillman scribbles, "It's strange, to train other human beings to go and kill other humans. I know this is war, but still...".

March 4th, 2006: Aaron Sorkin's developed "Secret Wars" is given the green light by NBC. "Secret Wars" plot involves the backdoor wheeling and dealing in the spy games and the CIA. The major push for this spy game television show would have it's roots in Sorkin's thoughts for the possibility to write a film script out of George Crile's book, "Charlie Wilson's War" and Sorkin's growth in the interest in the spy games after the failure of his other project, "The West Wing".

March 9th, 2006: The leaders of Denmark announce cutbacks to aid for the nation of Uganda. This will be a protest against the corruption and violence in the small African nation. Denmark joins the growing nations that have already cut funding in protest.

March 13th, 2006: With the cooperation with some of the Pakistani forces, peacekeepers mainly from Poland, the US, Canada, Britain and Germany, begin to open up a front to stop the spreading Taliban.

March 15th, 2006: In an interview with the Boston Globe, former Nunn Administration Ambassador to Kenya and Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Johnnie Carson, states on the Ugandan issue that though Museveni is an "African reformer in comparison to much of the continents politics" that "Museveni seems to be becoming a new Mugabe".


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on March 18, 2010, 09:53:30 AM
Wow, solid last couple of updates on the first quarter of Johnny Boy's second term, it seems like intraparty conflict may continue top grow come the 2006 midterm results, if candidates decide to run against so much a moderate President. Is McCain invloving Vice President LeSuer alot with the inner-going ons in the adminstration or is he getting the freeze out? Can't wait to see who you roll out for the 2008 Election, because I surely hope its the year that the Reform Coalition can finally get another President in the White House(McCain doesn't really count lol) maybe cough "Bloomberg" cough...Keep it comming Andy


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on March 19, 2010, 04:28:15 PM
Wow, solid last couple of updates on the first quarter of Johnny Boy's second term, it seems like intraparty conflict may continue top grow come the 2006 midterm results, if candidates decide to run against so much a moderate President. Is McCain invloving Vice President LeSuer alot with the inner-going ons in the adminstration or is he getting the freeze out? Can't wait to see who you roll out for the 2008 Election, because I surely hope its the year that the Reform Coalition can finally get another President in the White House(McCain doesn't really count lol) maybe cough "Bloomberg" cough...Keep it comming Andy
Thanks for the praise and yes, VP LeSueur is being nvolved with the interworkings of the adminsitration, foreign and interior policy work, though he's more an observor. I do also hope to showcase the interworkings of the McCain Administraiton more in future posts.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on April 11, 2010, 05:23:29 PM
Update coming early next week. Sorry though I haven't been posting lately, I've been sick with a virus and on top of that, my schedule for school changed.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on April 15, 2010, 11:42:19 AM
March 17th, 2006: With the help from Defense Secretary Hagel and President McCain, the two remaining Iowa class battleships are saved from being stricken from the Naval Vessel Register. The age of the battleship will live on for now.

March 19th, 2006: A company of Canadian soldiers is ambushed by Mujahadeen fighters in the North-West Frontier province. This plunge into the "Deepest Darkness" of the home of the Taliban and other insurgents in the north is a risky move in the named "Operation: Anaconda 3.0". The losses for the company is heavy, with nearly 40% casualties.

March 21st, 2006: In one of the hotly contested races in the nation, the Illinois Democratic Primaries spits out State Senator Barack H. Obama as the victory and chews up incumbent Governor "Rod" Blagojevich, who was facing an growing ethics scandal. Obama will face GOP nominee James D. "Jim" Oberweis and former Green-ite and Reform Coalition nominee Rich Whitney in November.

Mach 23rd, 2006: The Netherlands and France join in cutting back funding to aid Uganda. Also, another wave of protesters is dispersed by riot police in Kampala. This time though, six people were killed in the new wave of Kampala riots.

March 27th, 2006: US Press Secretary Brooke Buchanan states at a press meeting that the US wouldn't be cutting back funding to Uganda for the time being. Buchanan elaborates the administration's position as being that they didn't want to cut back funding so it could have the opposite effects and possibly hurt the Ugandan people instead of force the political hand of Museveni.

March 29th, 2006: New Democratic Party MP Olivia Chow, in an interview with the Toronto Star, says that she doesn't like the way that "American Generals are leading Canadians into meatgrinders". This would signal backlash from a number of Canadian politicians, calling her unpatriotic. Chow though, stood by her words.

April 1st, 2006: Presidential poll numbers are released for the 1st of the new month. President McCain has lost some of his support, now hovering over 58% approval. For the time being, the Arizonan is still holding his own with the American people's favor.

April 2nd, 2006: At a rally in New York City, both former President H. Ross Perot Sr. and Vice President David Boren endorse Mayor Michael "Mike" Bloomberg for New York Governor against Democrat Eliot Spitzer. In an odd parallel, today also Commerce Secretary H. Ross Perot, Jr. holds a rally for incumbent Governor Ron Paul in Arlington, Texas.

April 4th, 2006: Protesters march on Ottawa and Toronto against Canadian involvement in the Pakistani Peacekeeping program. One of the leaders of this protest booms over the megaphone that "Did Josh want this? Did John, did Preston or James?". These names are just some of the Canadians lost in the "March 19th Massacre".

April 6th, 2006: Supporters of a harder stance against Uganda and to aid in stopping the civil rights abuse their, march on Washington, DC. It is a peaceful protest, one of the more suprising events is when Secretary Nader joins the protesters.

April 7th, 2006: President McCain meets with Secretary Nader in the Oval Office. It is a quiet meeting, cut off from the prying eyes of the national media. Nader explains himself, saying that he believes that the administration needs to join the "civilized world" and protest with more fervor against Uganda. McCain calls back, saying there are walking a tight rope and don't need this kind of open dissent. Secretary Nader asks if the President wishes him to resign. McCain responds, "No Ralph, not this time. Your the Sage of Connecticut".

April 9th, 2006: The Supreme Court of Uganda rules in a 4-3 vote that the results of the election will not be overturned. Kissa Besigye doesn't get what he wishes but he does hear straight from the mouths of a majority of the judges that there was intimidation, disqualification and other suppressive means used in the February elections.

April 11th, 2006: Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad confirms that Iran has successfully produced a few grams of low grade enriched uranium. The world, already on edge, is evermore so with this turn of events. A nuclear Iran in the future is something that would not be good.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historico on April 15, 2010, 11:37:49 PM
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Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on May 20, 2010, 04:52:55 PM
April 13th, 2006: President McCain's intercirlce meet to discuss the turn of events in Iran. In attendance are the President himself, Vice President LeSueur, State Secretary Danforth, Defense Secretary Hagel, National Security Advisor Schwartzkopff, Home Security Advisor Gates and a number of lower eschelon foreign affair advisors. The President asks bluntly "how long could it be until we see a nuclear Iran?". Hagel states that if they go along a slow schedule that "It could take them a decade. If they build on those success in nuclear prowless, we could see a nuclear Iran in a little over five instead". McCain mulls this over, five to ten years.

April 14th, 2006: The ever eccentric former Chairmen of the Reform Coalition Party John Hagelin, or the "Reform Raj", remarks that the Reform Coalition needs to "get out of it's shell and stand up to the Republican Party, the party of war and greed". Some coalitionists that are on good terms with the McCain Administration demand an apology from Hagelin, something that will never appear.

April 16th, 2006: Peacekeepers are attacked as they close in on the city of Bostan in Pakistan. The fighting is intense for the small fortified and Taliban controlled area. Even with the "March 19th Massacre", the "Anaconda Plan 3.0" is still underway. The peacekeepers, mostly made up of Polish and American forces win the battle.

April 18th, 2006: Stanford University Professor, Provost Condoleeza Rice and Republican Senatorial nominee remarks in an interview with the Los Angeles Times on President McCain's decision to send peacekeepers into Pakistan and the administrations views on the war on terrorism. Rice would state that the "United States is not the world's 911".

April 20th, 2006: Iranian leaders announce a deal with a joint uranium enrichment firm, to be held of course on Russian soil. Several days later, Iranian officials will announce that not all activity will be moved to Russian soil, effectively voiding the deal.

April 21st, 2006: On Michael Savage's radio talk show, Savage would attack Rice as a "peacenik" and someone that disguised themselves to win the primaries. Savage booms "if Rice thinks that she's the embodiment of the party of American values, she's dead wrong". Savage would continue and would announce the formation of the "Savage Nation Party" to oppose the candidacy of Condoleeza Rice in the Senate race.

April 28th, 2006: The film "United" opens first to North American audiences. "United" tells the story of the last moments of the passengers on that fateful hijacked airliner on September 20th. The actors and actresses vary along many lines, including American, Arabic, British, local Quebecois and French. The movie rakes in the money on it's opening weekend, especially in Quebec and the US, and is hailed by critics, one saying that it is "one of the most moving films of 2006".

May 1st, 2006: Across the United States, marches are held and protest are formed for greater immigration rights. These marches ranging from New York, Los Angeles, Seattle, Providence and so on, gains much reporting from the news. Criticism also comes down on the protesters, some from Sean Hannity, Lou Dobbs and Rush Limbaugh. Limbaugh is especially pointed, not to the protesters, instead to the President. Limbaugh calls on President McCain "if he wants to show the country and his party that he doesn't have the backbone made of jello, he'll push for stiffer laws against these lawbreakers".

May 5th, 2006: The Nunn Society is founded. The Nunn society is based on the belief in arms reduction and limitation. Though it is somewhat more liberal take on former President and State Secretary Sam Nunn's views, it will gain member rapidly from both corners of the political spectrum.

May 7th, 2006: Six days after the "Great American Boycott" or the Immigration Rights May Day March, Senator Romney knocks on the office of Senator Feingold's office. Romney is swept in and meets with the Wisconsinite. "Russ", Romney begins, "we need to do something about immigration rights". "What do you have in mind Mitt?", Feingold inquires, "Well I know you work across the isle, so I'm proposing a bipartisan immigration reform bill". The two will begin discussion of the interworkings of such a bill and the nucleus of what will become the "Feingold-Romney Immigration Reform" Bill will be formed.

May 8th, 2006: Former U.S. Treasurer Pat Choate begins a campaign to gain more awareness to his home, the District of Columbia. Choate gains the assistance from DC shadow Representative Florence Pendleton, foreign affairs advisor Donna Rice and the Reform Coalition-Statehood Party, the local wing of the Reform Coalition. Choate's campaign is to gain more representative rights for the precarious District, being that it is not a territory or a state. Grassroot support will flood into the campaign at it's official website "WWW.ChoateDCawarness.com".

May 21st, 2006: The Montenegrin Referendum on either independence and the dissolution of it's bonds to Serbia, or to continue apart of the Serbian nation are put to the test. In a controversial vote, 53% of voters choose independence as 47% choose to stick with their known union with Serbia. With the threshold needed to be 55% to verify it, the referendum is practically moot.

May 22nd, 2006: Already vowing to declare independence if the votes reached over 50%, Montenegrin Prime Minister Milo Dukanovic declares the Republic of Montenegro. Dukanovic says that voter irregularities and other issues have tainted the vote. Serbians are taken aback, later into the day troops will be sent to restore order and reassure that Montenegrin's do not need to use violence.

May 24th, 2006: Things are tense in Montenegro but things are more tense in Kosovo. After several treaties and deals mandated by go betweens with the US and UK and the Serbians and Kosovans, those treaties and deals seem to collapse on the 24th. With tense times in Montenegro, additional Serbian forces have also been sent to keep in check Kosovo, this will come back to bite. A Serbian soldier will harass a Kosovan on the street, after giving up on the Kosovan, an angry man will pelt the Serbian soldier with rotten vegetables, screaming "you bastard's killed my wife". Soon more Kosovans surround the Serbians soldiers. A "shot heard round the world" sparks off the Serbians and the growing protests in Pristina, in the end of the small riot 8 Kosovans are dead and a dozen are wounded. This event will fan the growing embers of anger.

May 28th, 2006: After an intense debate between intermediaries, Serbia is forced to recognize Montenegro as a nation. Kosovo though, still remains an open issue and a scar upon the Balkans.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Derek on May 20, 2010, 11:52:42 PM
Are you guys seriously going that far into the future in a what if scenario about Ross Perot being president?


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on May 24, 2010, 12:18:54 AM
Are you guys seriously going that far into the future in a what if scenario about Ross Perot being president?
Uh, what exactly do you mean? This is a TL that stretches from 1993 to for now 2006.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Eleden on May 24, 2010, 01:22:39 AM
Are you guys seriously going that far into the future in a what if scenario about Ross Perot being president?
Uh, what exactly do you mean? This is a TL that stretches from 1993 to for now 2006.

Derek's attention span can't possibly fathom the idea of a timeline longer than 2 pages.  Needless to say he's yougo's biggest fan.  Please forgive him.    


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: yougo1000 on May 24, 2010, 07:52:30 AM
lovin' it


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Derek on May 24, 2010, 08:06:10 AM
Are you guys seriously going that far into the future in a what if scenario about Ross Perot being president?
Uh, what exactly do you mean? This is a TL that stretches from 1993 to for now 2006.

Derek's attention span can't possibly fathom the idea of a timeline longer than 2 pages.  Needless to say he's yougo's biggest fan.  Please forgive him.    

I'll say that's deep. I have a what if the south won the civil war timeline in alternate history.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on August 09, 2010, 12:43:56 PM
Be that dead? :(


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on August 09, 2010, 03:01:40 PM
Nah. I just haven't gotten around to finishing this. I have everything planned out, just need to hunker down and write some more.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: FEMA Camp Administrator on October 05, 2010, 02:38:11 PM
Is this dead?


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: FEMA Camp Administrator on February 16, 2011, 09:23:52 PM
I really liked this timeline. I wish it would continue, but that doesn't seem likely in the future.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on April 21, 2011, 04:24:41 PM
May 30th, 2006: Senator's Romney and Feingold submit a comprehensive and expansive immigration reform bill to the Senate. Conservatives furiously attack this as a "deal with the devil" and a "pathway to citizenship". President McCain will give his support to the bill and so will a string of Democrats.

June 2nd, 2006: The first meeting of Nunn Society members in held in Atlanta, Georgia. The meeting head members are Samuel Nunn's son, Brian Nunn, Senator Richard Lugar, former Senator Ted Kennedy, and former Attorney General Bill Clinton. Another one of the head members represents the international members of the new Nunn Society, this is Princess Diana of Wales. The first meeting revolves around pushing for legislation for nuclear arms reduction and peaceful procedures around the globe.

June 3rd, 2006: Debra Medina, a Republican Chairswomen who supports Governor Paul's reelection campaign, makes a gaffe when she dilly dallys on a question in a town hall format about if she did believe that Arab terrorists were behind the 9-20 attacks. Medina goes on saying that she wasn't sure if it was 100% terrorism and not "Big Government" at work also directly or indirectly. The soundbyte is picked up by the Republicans candidate for Texas Governor, former Attorney General Kay B. Hutchison, uses it to potray Paul as an "over zealous fringe supporter". Governor Paul attacks Hutchison as "playing the fear card with Texas voters".

June 8th, 2006: Former Governor George W. Bush is interviewed by Sean Hannity on "Hannity and Colmes". Bush would talk big game as he took jabs at Governor Paul and questioned if his opponent in the Senate race, incumbent appointee and eccentric Senator William "Bill" Kryzanowski, did not share the "radicalized beliefs of Debra Medina".

June 12th, 2006: Russian officials cut the supply of oil into Ukraine on the grounds of it's growing debts. Ukrainian and Western leaders will attack Russia for doing this, the Russians however will standby their decision for the time being.

June 18th, 2006: Expected incumbent Reform Coalition Party Chair Clay Mulford shocks many by announcing that he will not be running for next years Chairman election. Mulford, the man that defeated eccentric former Chair John Hagelin, will become the second chair to serve one two year term. Soon it is expected that other candidates will emerge for the heart and soul of the RCP.

June 19th, 2006: After one week of the cut in supply of oil into Ukraine from Russia in protest to the mounting Ukrainian debt, the "Russian Winter" has helped slow oil into Europe. Secretary of State Danforth is dispatched to Moscow to attempt to bring the Ukrainian and Russian leaders to a compromise, for Europe's sake.

June 21st, 2006: After two days of arrival and meeting with Ukrainian and Russian leaders, Secretary Danforth reports to President McCain. Danforth tells McCain that their is little leeway between the two nations, with one blaming another. Danforth will also joke to McCain that President Putin is "one scary man, I can't read him if he was made of ice". McCain quips "I know Dan, reason being he has no soul".

June 23rd, 2006: After bitter debates and arm twisting, a deal is reached between Ukrainian and Russian leaders on the flow of oil. For now, oil pumps through but Russia has shown it's continued sway over Eastern Europe.

June 24th, 2006: The odd Canadian Mexican Free Trade Association (CaMFTA) is officially disbanded. After the oddity of the experiment in free trade began to wear thin on Canadians and Mexicans alike, with the fears and negatives outwaying the positives. Canadian Prime Minister Harper would call this move "the best thing for Canada, to get out of a bumbled mess". Mexican President Vicente Fox would echo much more calmer and less negative things about the dissolution of CaMFTA.

June 26th, 2006: In a bitter vote, a coalition of Democrats, moderate Republicans and the few Coalitionists supporters give the needed boost to push the Feingold-Romney Immigration Reform Act through a confirmatory vote in the House of Representatives. After the victory the house, the more partisan Senate will be the challenge for the bill.

June 28th, 2006: Operation Summer Rains begins as Israeli forces begin an offensive into the Gaza Strip to deal with militants. The major reason behind the intervention has been the Hamas government's unwillingness to come down against militant groups that have been harassing Israeli forces and civilians by missile strikes. Reaction would differ around the globe. Syria and Iran would fervently denounce the Israeli action, while Egypt took a middle ground and enforced their borders, not allowing refugee's from Gaza to enter the Egyptian nation and also to stop the possible transfer of captured Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit.

June 29th, 2006: Israeli forces arrest 64 Hamas government officials, ranging from cabinet members to members of the Palestinian Legislative Council. Because of the near capture of a third of the government, many Hamas officials will go into hiding to escape arrest by Israel.

June 30th, 2006: President McCain voices his strong support for Israel, when asked about the Israeli intervention into the Gaza Strip. When asked to elaborate, the President would state that "Israel has their sovereign duty to protect their citizens lives and itself. But in any undertaking, the United States urges that Israel insures that innocent civilians are not harmed in this military intervention".

July 1st, 2006: United Nations officials would release a report on the situation ongoing in Gaza. The report will highlight that the blockade and starvation techniques used by Israel will lead to Gaza running out of petrol in several days, food in less than two weeks and the danger of the entire sewage system collapsing and hospital shutdown's due to fuel shortage's would also be highlighted. UN humanitarian official Jan Egeland would say that "No one can hide from us what they're doing, neither the Palestinian nor the Israeli side. We are appalled by seeing how they're playing with the future of defenseless civilians, including children, we must understand that Gaza in the midst of a humanitarian crisis".


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: FEMA Camp Administrator on April 21, 2011, 06:31:34 PM
It's back! ;D


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on April 21, 2011, 10:43:52 PM

February 24th, 2006: Major bombing campaigns are carried out by insurgency against the peacekeepers in Pakistan. the attacks are centered on Islamabad, Karachi and ?. The death toll will rise to 215 over the day.
How about Lahore?

Awesome tl, btw
Thanks and honestly I missed the question mark.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: FEMA Camp Administrator on June 21, 2011, 05:31:55 PM
C'mon. This started September 2008. Let's try to get this done before next year's election.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Historia Crux on June 21, 2011, 09:57:48 PM
C'mon. This started September 2008. Let's try to get this done before next year's election.
I honestly didn't know it was that long ago. I suppose I'll try and write up a post, though this will have to take some precedence over "Forever Mankind" for a little while.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: FEMA Camp Administrator on June 22, 2011, 09:59:45 AM
I'd like to see a full list for the three Presidents' cabinets. Did John Anderson ever end up in Perot's cabinet?


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: FEMA Camp Administrator on August 22, 2011, 10:32:12 AM
Bumping. Not sure when it'll be updated, but I feel obligated not to let this fall into obscurity.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on July 09, 2017, 05:30:40 PM
Moved to main board.


Title: Re: 1992: The Election of H. Ross Perot
Post by: Former Senator Haslam2020 on July 10, 2017, 05:33:48 PM
More!!! Maybe Trump wins in 2012 or 2016 ;) pls continue Ik it's years old but