Talk Elections

Yes, that means you could have the crazies as president.

Which would I be?

     Libertarians (normal).

You would classify as a Democrat since your avatar is Red

Alright, I vote Democrat then.

Democrats - there are enough sane ones that I like the odds.

Ideally, Independents, but since that isn't a choice, Dems

Democrats... I'll take my chances that I get a good job.

Oranges.

Failing that, Democrats.

Dems.

Not republicans. They messed up the economy enough. The richer can't keep on getting richer.
Not libertarians cause you need some government to help maintain structure.
Democrats sound good to me. They want people to be free but at the same time have a safety net.

Democrates win!hooray!

libertarians = wacky ideals

Republicans = see Bush years

Democrats =  see 1990's

We're talking about the posters.  I don't think internet liberals are stuck in the Clinton years...

It's so sad that the American public are such simpletons.

not everything should be complex.

I have to agree, even though Populist DEMs are even better.

Good joke.

I'll go with the Libertarians.

you want no structure. you are sparta.

Gerard Butler is "Sparta". I just don't like the democrats.

I am calling you "Sparta the dem hater" now. It is out of love. I don't give ppl nick names if I hate them.

Aww. :)

your welcome.

Anyway, I hope The Democrats win this Forum election, but I pray to God BRTD is selected for a position.

attention whore.

Who, BRTD?

I am just stating an opinion sonny.

no you and ok. nice to know.

Alright, and I have my reasons.

do you mind explaining them?

He is kind of overboard will a Bill Ayers obsession (his screen-name before Lizard People was Resident of Bill Ayer's America), and he scared me with it.

lol

I am serious man, who actually likes Ayers? He is a domestic terrorist who believes in Anarcho-Marxism for Christ's sake!

well he changes a lot for reaction.

Yeah, good point.

Glad to see I'm not the only one to cross party lines here.

the reason that ppl have not done that is cause they are in the party that they want the country to be run by.

That's not what the topic is about.

It's about posters.  Forum posters are not the same as current party leaders.

I know. Here we did that same thing.

OK.

Iam the perfect electable type of Democrat. 

You are confusing libertarians with anarchists again.  Please stop.  Libertarians don't want NO govt, we want LESS govt.  Huge difference.

I should have included independents.

This thread is mostly to observe people weho cross party lines rather than those who stick to them

Yes, you guys want NO Govt period. 

I don't know, I'm a registered Libertarian and there a lots of different types of us.

Just because someone is economically conservative and socially liberal (in the American sense) and registers in the closest party to that, doesn't mean they are anarchists.  It just means that they (we) think if we can't trust the Post Office to deliver a letter then we probably don't trust other aspects of government bureaucracy to kill the right people or to wiretap only when its properly justified.  Largely this skepticism of government efficiency is not necessarily derived from theoretical love of the free market but rather pragmatic experiences in contemporary America.  Honestly, if you can't trust the U.S. government to deliver a letter on time, would you trust that same agency with your mother's life?  I think you're too quickly dismissing Libertarians as "anti-government" as if it is something weird or fictional.

There are differing degrees of Libertarians.  Are there any hard-core Ayn Rand Objectivists on Atlas's forums?  I don't know.

But just because someone combines mainstream ideas from the GOP and combines mainstream ideas from the Democrats, I don't see why that makes them outlandish.

The Libertarian candidate this year was hardly the standardbearer for the anarchist wing, anyway.

lol Barr

Totally made my vote so easy.  Barr was too pathetic to even warrant a protest vote

Not voting for Barr was easier than breathing for me.  I voted Libertarian for my Congressional race though

Whats with the Obama tag then Lunar?

I looked at you as the leader of the Obama voters on here, I guess NOT.

I'm the leader?

I'm "in the tank" for Obama, but I don't know about leading for him.

My ballot itself was 33% Republican, 33% Democrat, and 33% Libertarian.

Just change your avar to Yellow already then  LOL

Libertarians scare me with their views.

Cite?

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     Bear in mind that she thinks that the federal government might be more effective in the Obama administration. Effective federal government is an oxymoron.

Is this just a fight thread now?

     This seems to have been happening a lot lately, actually. You'd expect the arguments to be cooling off after the election, not heating up. :P

Bitterness.

Somebody is fighting?

I'm waiting for a cite that says libertarians want no govt.  I don't expect one mind you (because it's not true, obviously), but I was hoping not to just be ignored.  Ignorance about libertarians I expect from the general populace, but not from people that care enough about this kind of thing to spend time on this message board.  Educate yourself a little, you still won't agree with the positions, but at least you won't look foolish when you talk about them.

Write in: New Australian political party...

The Australian Sex Party: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24662905-12377,00.html

Here's a handy hint: if, like me, you want to find the recent news articles from the past week about this new political party, try visiting the news websites and not typing "Australian Sex Party" into google... [/blushing]

They have a Sex Party in BC, IIRC.

Ayers isn't an "Anarcho" anything, he's a communist.


Dead0man's a libertarian, they're about limited government, not about having no government.

:D

And yes, there is a Sex Party in BC. BC has tons of parties, for some reason.

6,000 about.

Well if you get want you want then the least amount of government might be no government.

Republicans, with Libertarians a close second.  What avatar does Down have right now?

How could any amount of government be no government?

simply the fact that no government means it simply does not exists.

Lol, there should b e an American Sex Party

Of course, but that's not what I asked you. :)

How does 'least amount of government' mean no government? It's not logical.

With out going into negative #'s, what is the smallest #?

Considering you can't physically have zero of something, and still say you possess it, then least amount doesn't mean "none". Having even the smallest portion still counts as actually possessing some. Zero is a place holder digit, a concept. I may have the least amount of foresight here for falling into your trap, but I've still got some left. :)

zero is a #. If it was not then 1 and so on would not be #'s either.

I never said zero wasn't a number. It makes no difference, but the numbers one and so on were devised before the concept of zero was. I thought this thread is about politics.

Yes you did you siad "Zero is a place holder." It is I am saying if 1 is a # so is zero. So you could have zero of something.

Haha, it's fun talking to you. I said:


Zero is a number, but it has no physical equivalent. The least amount of government, in the libertarian view, still means government exists. It doesn't mean zero government, just a smaller one than what we have now, depending on the politicians in charge.

Oh now you hate zero. It has a meaning it is not just transparent. Zero hater.

The oranges. Failing that, the independents. Failing that, the Democrats.

Yup, that's right. I'm against nothing.

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so now you have no morals. wow.....

I respect libertarians just like I try to go out of my way to respect to the Gopers here by finding common ground on issues ( in most cases iam more conservative then soft republicans).  I just think libertarianism would be dangerous in todays America. We need controls and regulations to keep the order, because leaving everything in the hands of the folks don't always work out so great. I have nothing but pure  admiration of both parties.  But the Democrats here are better suited to run the country.

Go dems! hooray!

Would make a great Democratic convention speech.

hahaha yup.

Randomly selected? Libertarians or Republicans then. Most of the Democrats here are staunch liberals or even socialists.

How so?

A lot of the D-regulars like JSJourner, Lief, jFern, GMantis, etc. trend towards the HARD left economically. They're basically 'Social Democrats,' self-identified or not. Plus this forum is significantly to the left of the american discourse in general. In some ways that's great, in others not so much.

So you want atlasia to have a bad economic crisis. well... welll....

They are not socalist.

Maybe they care about helping people, unlike the republicans here who are cold hearted in that area.

Yeah I hate Obama supporters, all being economic leftists and all

Its not socialism, its having care about those who don't have much.

From what I've seen many of the Republicans here are actually significantly more moderate than the party leadership. People like Soult, Andrew, Torie, etc. would be accused of being RINOs in the current climate. Like I said, the forum tilts left.

Also not viewing government intervention as practical or desirable /=/ selfishness.

I would call heavy taxation, large work/entitlement programs, bail outs, protectionism, etc. social democratic policies. Which basically makes it 'diet' socialism. Not significant ownership of industry, but heavy redistribution of wealth and regulation.

This stump speech worked out well for Mac.

McCain was never that coherent or articulate about his agenda, unfortunately.

Anyway, I don't have a total laissez-faire attitude on economic issues. I'm a big supporter of universal healthcare and oppose making the bush tax cuts permanent, for example. Basically I'm not all that different from the DLC types like Bill Clinton.

Why are you calling your fellow democrats socialist?  Unless you didn't know red means democrat?

Red doesn't mean Democrat. The other side took that color awhile back, Leip is just too stubborn to change it. :P I call them 'socialistic' because, again, a lot of them clearly have 'social democratic' views. The national party is more moderate and diverse.

Socialism is not as bad as most people make it out to be.

Before you were all bored in your bread line but nowadays you can listen to your iPod.  mmf gigga umpf yeah bread

Not that anybody is  in favor of socialism.


Lets stop tossing the "S" word around already.

Hey! Hey! I'm a socialist! >:(

I can't believe I wasn't even mentioned here.

I voted Republican