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Over the weekend I was spending a lot the weekend with my best friend Ty. We went up to his cabin about an hour and a half away. We went skiing, snowmobiling and just hung out. It was a bunch of fun.

Anyway, Ty is gay (closeted though - he's only told me and and a couple of his other friends.) I held the same confidence in him. On Saturday evening I ended up telling him I was Bisexual. He's the first and only person I've told to date, in person. He was totally O.K. with it but surprised, I guess he'd never had the thought cross his mind I might be anything but straight.

This weekend was one of the best in my life. I feel like a big weight has been lifted off my shoulders... at least somewhat. Also, if you have read the "Keystone Phil vs. MSUfan" thread, you'll see that my sexual interaction isn't 100% female anymore. The 10% happened this weekend. O.K., that was probably unnecessary but I'm just so happy...

Sorry for cluttering the thread with more attention whoring but... yeah, you know.

Congratulations.

Did you have fun having sex?

Four years ago I would have been turning this into a Goldmine...but now...I'm too old.

This is great news! It's good you have your best friend to talk about things with. I know my best friend and I love to talk about Miley Cyrus, and it's never weird or anything either.

Hmmm. I still have my little theory about this all. :P

I wonder how your football team would react...

Congrats on a first step!  My younger brother came out to me last weekend, making me the first family member he told. I already knew but I still tried to make him feel good about it.

Good news!

And congratulations to Becca's little brother :)

admitting you have a problem is the first step to finding a solution

Rock on, dude! Good for you. I hope everything keeps on going so well. :)

Good for you MSU! I had no idea you were Bi! I thought I was the only bi guy here (besides AKsaber.) Hopefully, now you will have more confidence to come to everyone else you know.

Mint/NDN is Bisexual as well.

cute.

For some reason like half my friends here at MSU are LGBT (in fact, at least one of each, though one double-counts for G and T :P), and they seem to be finding plenty of resources if they need any.  Each group of residence halls has its own LGBT group, but you can go to any you want :)

Its times like this that I think Im falling in love with the ignore button. :)

Really? We don't even have a LGBT group on campus.

Yeah, there are like... 5...

Maybe MSU is particularly tolerant :?

Congrats.. that definitely took some guts.

I imagine it's pretty hard to tell anybody, even somebody you know will be totally accepting and even honored to know, something that you've kept as such a secret for so long.

Congrats.

Wow.. my university was only 3800 students and we had a sizable group... it must be because I'm up here in 'liberal' Minnesota

Oh well. I guess I deserved that for not being able to keep my mouth shut about anything.

You should read the bible a little more.

Each time I wrote a response to this it was vulgar..

Well, actually Ty is a football player (kicker) but still..... most would probably be ok with it upfront, but there would be problems, no doubt.


Oh, and thanks to everybody that's congratulated me. I know that this is just one step but it feels good to be able to confide myself in someone.

Interesting.  We have one at MSU, and they have one at Ole Miss too.

I just noticed my school is ranked ahead of yours now.

Hmm.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Congrats!

I hardly think that's possible. My family is pretty hard-core Catholic. My Dad is a Eucharistic minister and my mom was the Parish Secretary for a long time. There's crucifixes everywhere in my house and their views are for the most part mine (look at my social score)

That's why I wonder if I'll ever be able to tell my parents. My dad is intensely homophobic, my moms more tolerant, but still...

Come out of the closet to somebody in the closet.  Interesting.

If it makes you feel any better, I came out to my grandparents recently, my grandfather who was a pastor for around 40 years and both of whom are very active in the religious community. It caused some concern from them at first but everything is okay now. I'm their family and they know I'm a good person and thats all that matters.

Yeah, I know how that can be. When I came out to my parents as bisexual, my dad had a look on his face like he had just been punched in the stomach. Whenever I go back to North Dakota to visit my parents, they always seem awkward around me. But, I would rather have it that way then be in the closet all my life. I think thats how any LGBT person should think.

Just a general observation but there seem to be many more gays, bi's etc on this board as a percentage than in the general population. 

Same is true for Catholics and Pennsylvanians.

huh?

Hah...nevermind.  Read that statement wrong. Facepalm.

Congratulations.  I figured it'd only take 2 or 3 posts before Jamespol said something.  :P

Yeah but I like Catholics and Pennsylvanians....  j/k

What was wrong with what MSU said?

did they vote for Barack Obama?

Ah, gotcha. Sorry about that.

I know it isn't true.

I KNOW.


I KNOWS ALLL!!!!

It's not a choice buddy. And I really doubt all gay people are lying to us in order to further their "agenda". lol

Oh and Congrats!!

Excellent work. Hopefully it shall be the first of many. :)

He's spoiling our recruiting efforts. :P

As if reading the Bible more will make you not want to get down with guys...

I know a kid who is bisexual and goes to Church more than I do.  And I used to work for a gay guy who is a practicing Catholic and can quote from the Bible verbatim.  

As for your parents, you might be surprised.  My mother goes to mass every morning, has statues of Mary all over the house, prays the Rosary in traffic, and hid scapulas in mine and my sisters' beds.  And my father is the type of guy who holds some type of prejudice against every person, place, or thing.  But a few months we were talking about gay marriage and they both had some fairly progressive views on it.  Of course, my parents are not your parents, and they weren't talking about the sexual orientation of their child, but it shows that religious devotion does not always evince homophobia.  

Besides, maybe one day you'll decide you really like vagina and won't want to mess with guys anymore?  Then you wouldn't have to worry about telling your parents.  

Anyways, there's my .02.  I wish you the best of luck and nothing but happiness.

Congrats MSU!! :) It must have been a big relief to finally be able to tell someone.

I still haven't come out to anyone yet. I highly doubt I'll ever tell my parents, either. My predicament is the opposite of yours. :P It's my mom who's the anti-gay right winger, and dad who is more understanding, but still very conservative and anti-gay.

Congrats MSUfan, I remember the situation quite well. Eventually it becomes easier but its never quite the simplest thing in the world :)

Aw, I'm sorry about your situation Ak.

I remember when I first came ou.... wait a minute! You can't trick that easily.

 Congrats btw.

Hopefully the day will come soon when we won't need a thread for people to announce such things or congratulate each other on being able to be themselves.

True.

**Looks over shoulder...**

Aww, sh**t!

Thanks. :) It is kinda disheartening to listen to what my parents say about the LGBT crowd. If I never tell them, I wouldn't mind. It's a can of worms I would not like to open.

Thats depressing.

Still.. I would rather have people hate me if that's what it came to, than live with that sort of secret. *Comforting hug*

I bet my parents/family say worse things about the LBGT crowd than yours do.

Yeah, it sucks. But oh well. Maybe someday I'll muster the courage to tell them.


I know what you mean. It would be really great to finally come out. I probably will to some of my friends. Even with my friends, I'm pretty shy and reserved. It's something I've been trying to change about myself. I am progressing, if a bit slowly. :P But for me to come out to my family, that would take serious change on my part. And I am able to keep things inside for a long time, so it's not all bad. ^_^

You're ignorance is disgusting.

I could make a remark about stupid black people, and minorities that don't care about other minorities, and how i 'don't have anything against them.' But I'm better than that.

Its one thing to say you think being gay is a choice, even though that's clearly not true and anyone with half a brain, basic reading comprehension skills, and Wikipedia could figure that out. But you don't have to call people fags, because it's insulting and unfair to all of us.

lol at least Obama knows the truth. I hope obama pisses off Mike Keller!

Please go back in now.  okthx

I could imagine ty was thrilled when he found out msufan was a half-fag.

ok, you really are a joke poster

I sense a few more pages on this thread coming.

We have to be rapid dogs, otherwise homophobes like you will keep us down.

I think you meant rabid dogs.

"Just because" you opposed equal rights for a historically oppressed minority? You might want to talk to your parents or grandparents about that sort of thing.

What makes you think people choose being gay? Do you have any sort of foundation for that position or is this just bible thumping?

^A -typical of intellectual snobs.

I have no hate for homosexuals, only love and faith that they will someday find God.

As a gay man I find it insulting that I require 'help.' You talk about rejection, while being intolerant and prefering people to live in secret just because you find it unacceptable.

Sounds good :P

Mostly the same thing, that he's wrong and a little ignorant.

I don't mean to be attacking you here, your beliefs are your beliefs, it's just that so often people on your side of this issue tend to never give a legit secular reason for opposing gay marriage. Your belief that sexuality is a choice however is just disturbing and ranks up there with thinking the world is flat and that evolution is false.

No, really, it's rabid: http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=rabbied+dog&aq=f

First, congrats to MSUFan.

Second, I wholeheartedly agree with others longing for the day when this would not require congratulations.  I think this is already more or less the case at my school.  I've never really "come out" or been vocal about my homosexuality, because I don't view it as an integral part of identity or anything like that.  It's merely a matter of who I flirt with, you know?

Third, I don't see any reason to want to come out to my parents, although this may have to do with the nuances of their attitude.  I think my parents (or at least my dad) wouldn't mind me being gay, as long as I didn't tell them about it.  And if so, why should I disrupt their tranquility?

Well it has to do with your happiness as well. To be honest I don't completely buy it when other gay people tell me not telling their parents they're gay/bi doesn't bother them at all.

As for the identity question, I think there's a difference between considering it part of your identity, and being an activist about it. It is after all a relatively big part of who you are and does make you part of some larger group, rather you want to associate with it or not.

For instance, black people are black. There's no getting around that. You're not a white person who seems black, or just another person, you're different. Whether you want to turn into Jesse Jackson or not is entirely up to you, but acknowledge you are black.

At least defend yourself, anyway, considering there's a large portion of the population engaging in a concerted effort to treat us as second-class citizens. Acting as if we're just straight people with different sexual habits is fairly counter-productive to the movement.

There's nothing quite like threads about homosexuality really... unusual that Jmf isn't one of the main protagonists though. He must be ill.

Good luck, MSU.

Uh.. I'm really not sure what you're getting at here. We are just like everyone else, we just have different tastes. This attitude that gay/bi/whatever people are so different but we should have equal rights frankly just sends mixed messages.

There's a difference between trying to blend in to such an extent that it resembles self-loathing, and being an activist.

And not exactly powerful words from someone who's afraid to do anything in public that might lead people to suspect you'll do something 'gay' later on.

I don't 'try to blend in.' I'm just low key. People that know me on campus and elsewhere are aware about my orientation. I just don't go around constantly reminding people of that fact.


I could bring up some of your flamboyant behavior but that would be irrelevant. You have your style, I have mine. And so does everyone else. Also, frankly being out isn't realistic for some people.

My point is that if your "we're just like everyone else and don't have to do anything special" tripe actually meant something you wouldn't be so hesitant. Words, and actions, they're different.

In some settings I may be more paranoid or embarrassed. But that's applied to a lot of things in my life, which I've worked hard to over come. I'm shy, that's just how I am.

we do at work.  i went to a meeting.  lots of old lesbians. 

grossgrossgrossgrossgrossssss

Wow, this thread grew fast lol  It was brand new before I went to bed last night... lol

I'm very happy for you, MSUfan!! *hugs* :)

Rin-chan

Congratulations! I hope life allows you many more opportunities to be so bold. And, speaking from the other end, it's always great to feel trusted as the person someone comes out to; my twin brother came out to me first, back in high school, and it was great to know that he trusted me enough.


There almost certainly is. They keep a low profile in a lot of places and aren't always recognized by the college as an official organization. But even BYU probably has one.

oh yeah, and congrats to the em su fan.  it's been about 13 months for me.  only gets better!

Well, your attempt to mold folks into embracing  your version of a higher power is fine as long as you are sensitive to your efforts being unwelcome, at which time you promptly cease and desist. Nothing is more obnoxious than a hectoring, arrogant, know it all, sanctimonious preacher type.

I don't know really why folks get hung up over other people's sex lives. I have always found that rather curious behavior.

MSUfan, looks like I found this thread a bit late, but I just wanted to say congrats to you sir.

Oh, I wish I'd read this before I posted a theory of your behavior other than "troll."

I came out at about your age, only it was 14 years ago. There's no question in my mind that choosing to live my life honestly and openly was the best decision I ever made, and I have never had a day's regret. Good luck to you with whatever path your life takes from here.

Oh, and send my congrats to ty. It's good to have someone to have a bit of fun with, bt more importantly to trust. Why did he tell you he was gay in the first place, if I can ask?

For some people, this may make sense. If the parents will never come to terms with it at all, and are likely lying to themselves about what is going on because they recognize on some level they can't deal with it, then there is nothing else to be done.

On the other hand, by continuing to keep your life separate for them as you get older and assert your independence, you are denying both of you the opportunity for a full and honest relationship. You open the door to perceptions of hostility, ungratefulness, and lack of respect. You may be presuming bad intentions, obliviousness, or an unwillingness to adapt that is not present. My father was not happy, and is not happy, that I am gay, but our relationship was worse when I was keeping it a secret from him and he felt angered and disrespected that I kept him at arms' length and resented him for reasons he could not control. Now, everything is better, even if it will never be perfect--he loves my partner and I've managed to make us full members of the family, even if I know he will never be completely comfortable.

MSUFan, I am curious, do you support gay marriage? I see your social score is very far to the right.

First off, both of my parents did vote for Obama. They're your more New Deal type Democrat's and usually Economics trump Social issues for them. It's also tradition to vote Democratic in my family.

My father is the worst, though. I don't know if I'll ever be able to confront someone with my sexuality that said "Queers are going to burn in hell." Part of the problem is my sexuality. Being Bi presents kind of a problem when you know that you could simply suppress half of your attraction and just have relations with women (which I've been doing for the past couple years).
However, I just feel I wouldn't be true to myself if I let a man I really, really liked slip by just because I'm afraid. I try to live with as few regrets as possible.

As for Keller, I'm not surprised by anything he's said. The contradictions and the ignorance in his statements are expected. The only thing that saddens me is the fact that there are far to many people like him in the world. I'd also advise you to update your viewpoint. The Catholic Church now even accepts Homosexuals.... sort of. They view the attractions as O.K. but advise not to act on them. 

Again, I feel great for this one step. I'll probably tell a couple of my other friends soon, but I don't want to rush into it. Thanks for the congratulations, everyone. :)



We've been best friends ever since middle school. I kind of already knew. The signs were there and I guess he was trying to tell me through actions without saying it, really. We've confided in each other for a long time. After he told me, I felt I could tell him without fear of retribution.

Oh, and the "fun"... I have to admit, it was different from what I expected. Interesting, but different.


Yes.

My social score more involves my opposition to Abortion.
 

Depends on how it is done I think. I have a gay friend who told his sister and told her not to tell anyone. She cried. Then he waited a year. Then he told her again. And she cried again. Weird Catholic family, I guess.

Anyway, congratulations. The only thing I have to say is, live your own life after what you percieve to be right. Don't let all these people with ideas about society interfere with how you want to construct your personal life. That's what should matter to you.

This thread makes me remember why I am glad to be a conservative

It is me or we, homosexuals, are overrepresented here?

Congratulations, MSUFan. I would like to have the same courage than you.

I guess it shows that us homosexuals are political junkies!

Don't you claim libertarianship?

Or people are way more open about their sexuality online. Still I would say only maybe 5-10% of this forum is gay. Would be cool if somebody did a census or something......

That's actually a fantastic idea, Someone should set that up.

5-10% is a quite conservative estimate... and that's just factoring in gays. Counting bisexuals it's even higher...

Good point.

Somebody please do that! That would be so interesting!

I'd say 10-15%

We had a census.

Oh yeah? results?

yeah, i don't think it worked too well.

Congratulations MSUfan - I'm glad things went well here, and hopefully it'll lead you to feeling comfortable enough to talk about this with more of your friends. As for your family, it's a bit tricky...as you've said, being bi sorta gives you an excuse to just leave it, but then you're not letting them totally into your life which would probably be the ideal situation. It's not really something any of us can advise on, you know them best and will be able to work out the best course of action when the time is right :)

This thread has made me think about my own experience of coming out...I can't believe it's been nearly a decade since I first told somebody in person. Makes me feel ancient since I remember it like it was yesterday :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4v0inJiEA4

We know.

We also know you're not sorry in the slightest.

And seriously, significantly more than "just 10%" of this forum is gay.  That's just how things work considering (1) gays tend to be more interested in politics because it so directly affects their lives and (2) the internet provides a key semi-anonymous social outlet for interaction that straight people don't exactly need when they're coming to terms with their sexuality.

I think the last political forum I was at wound up being (unintentionally) damn close to 30 or 35% gay/bi.

I am so glad for you MSUFan, you are a very nice guy and I'm glad you took that step to make yourself happy. I hope you keep on making steps that let you live a free and open like, and having your bestfriend(is he still you BF or is he something more now) to talk about "gay" things is great too.

OK, nine pages and no dumbass had the sense to ask: 

Top or Bottom?

It's already been established that he at least leans top, but he has alluded that no bumpity occured.

Did you not ask me that once?

Hopefully we get to page 16.

Nice.



To tell you the truth, it's kind of up in the air. I don't know what we are. I can't really advance our relationship to that kind of level with the stage I'm at.... and the stage he's at. I also don't want to be some sort of slut, either. I'm not the 'friends with benefits' sort of guy. To be honest, I never saw any of this coming.



Well... how can I put it that wouldn't alienate the prude police on the forum? Hmm....

DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW!

Let's see... Well, in this case, I wasn't the king of the hill, for once.

Don't worry, I don't think people can accuse you of attenton whoring when it's in a thread you've created yourself. That's what I would assume, at least :)

You'd be surprised. *cough cough* Mr. Moderate *cough cough*


;)

Having sex can be fun if you do it correctly.

Thanks for the useful commentary! (Sarcasm)

Sorry, I am a bit drunk...

I mixed some Sutter Home wine (5% Alcohol) with diet pepsi.. as I am very sensitive to alcohol, even that can make me drunk...

but I havn't had sex in a while now.. perhaps tommorow I will.. :P

Of course.  I always ask that.

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The sun'll come out, tomorrow, bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow...

it should probably be a U.S. census question

I'm really glad that I don't have to say that everyone that disagrees with me is an ignorant backward hick stuck in the 19th century.  I'm not going to praise MSUFan, if you think being gay or bi or whatever are is alright, come out and say it already to the world.

so, you're saying there's something wrong with being, let's say, non-straight?

Personally yeah but I really don't hold it against people.  Kind of in the way that I think being a liberal is stupid but I don't hold it against people.  But what I do hold against people is when they live a lie

That's pretty easy for you to say and ignorant to the extreme.

That's very easy for a straight man to say though, isn't it? You're never gonna have people threatening violence (or to disown you) for being honest about who you fancy.

so you think it's impossible for a person to be born non-straight, and they make the choice themselves to perhaps be alienated by their loved ones?

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Meaning?

No, no. I don't have Aids so the ribbon isn't necessary. Thanks, though. Though it does show how ignorant and assuming you are...

One lesson from the 60s radicals sticks in my mind at certain moments - Youngsters really are so very easy to indoctrinate (in fact, they're the easiest).

"give us a child for seven years, and he'll be a Bolshevik forever."  -Vladimir Lenin

What are you trying to say?

I'm old (relatively speaking), but not old enough to remember him.  :P

It's Sam.

Not moi. I was a congenital contrarian, a tendency that has slowly faded over the years a bit. :)

Me too.  Which, come to think of it, would be a pretty good reason to try gay practices.  Though for me I only ever tried ladyboys.

Yet the implications are clear.

Yes, and no more relevant for being so. People have their hobby horses and their desires to see the world work a certain way. Life moves on.

Hey, Josh, I say the best thing to do with Ty(is that his name?) is talk to him about what both of you want. If you guys want to try to take your friendship to a higher level(mean become a couple) just make sure if it doesn't work out you guys still say friends. What ever you guys do, just make sure you don't become butt buddies, because that is never good at all.

We've sort of talked already. We've both decided to cool it, (but neither of us said it was a mistake). I guess he's had a crush on me, too. We both like each other, personally and physically.

Trust me, I'm not a slut. This was spontaneous and loving. Not just for the sake of sex.

What is wrong with being a "slut?"  Your little comment sounds almost Victorian. :)

Slut Pride!

What a typical liberal answer of just calling someone ignorant.  The fact remains that if you don't think there is anything wrong with being gay, just come out and say it.  I'm not going to say that it would be easy, but seriously if you feel confident about something go for it.

Homophobia _is_ ignorance. There is no reason to think being gay is wrong.

Ignorant is living a lie, ignorant is ostracizing someone for being gay, thinking that thinking being gay is immoral is ignorant is ignorant.  Thinking that being gay is immoral is not

:P


If it isn't ignorant, then it's definitely an oversimplification. Whatever.  It's hard enough to argue with a brick wall, I can't imagine what it must be like to have to argue with you on a daily basis.

Ah, I see you've pulled out liberal argument #2, you are stubborn and old-fashioned.  You know what's worse than having to argue with me?  Living a complete lie every day of your life.

Dude, I'm probably a lot more old-fashioned than you. (Look at my PM score).

Ah, what the hell. Let's try argument #3: You're an asshole. Goodbye.

DWDL, shut up. You have no clue what you are talking about. Yes, there is nothing wrong with being gay. But it is hard to tell your parents that you are gay, because you don't know how they will act. People may say they are ok with gay people but you really don't know how they really feel. Nevertheless, you have no say in this matter because as far as we know you aren't gay and you don't know what it is like.

Tell that to your social score.

As if he doesn't already know that...

I'd just say until you've walked a mile in somebody's shoes, shut your f**king mouth.  Because that's all you've got, DWTL, is a mouth that runs and runs.

Down, I like you but just quit this while you're ahead please. You've already made yourself look like a tool.

That's the beauty of it.  He can't lose.. because his standards are so low and he's already played the argument out in his head and come up with snotty little responses that don't actually counter the arguments, but rather just attack them.

Maybe something will happen to him that really hurts and then maybe he'll see how it feels when not only does nobody care, but they view his hurt as a weakness and an obvious sign that he is less human than us all.

I can feel the love in this thread.

The only reason DWTL is being called stubborn and old-fashioned is because he is stubborn and old-fashioned. He simply refuses to see facts.

He thinks if he calls out your argument for you, it somehow isn't true.

I <3333 YOU!!!1111


better?

Much

:P

I love you too!! We homos have to stick together :D

Well, when I visit the US, HAARP better meet me for coffee.

Just coffee or more? :P

More would be kind of weird. Just coffee. I see him as my best gay friend if/when im in virginia :)

I was referring to lattes. What'd you think I mean?

Sex. For some reason, my mind went to sex. No clue why, your post clearly reffered to lattes.

The younger generations are very Victorian, Torie.

And at the random event that you somehow find your way to Virginia, Coffee would be fun :)


Yes of course.....lattes...

You guys should come to Scotland! I can be your Scottish friend and we could have a sandwich :)

As long as i'm not the meat and afleitch approves.

I'm talking about a nice ham and cheese sandwich! Like this one perhaps:
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Honestly, mind in the gutter :P

As expected, this has turned rather raunchy.  :P

Meat in the sandwich. You boys...

I'd be the upper crust :D However yes Chris was referring to a ham and cheese sandwich as he knows I wouldn't finish mine and he could pick at the ham!

I shall gladly provide the mayonaisse!

Oh, oh man.... Jeez.

I literally lolled ;D

Its getting hot in here!

Indeed! They appear to be talking about sex! :P :D

Honestly, I was thinking about an edible sandwich too at first...

>_>

I can't believe my mind really ISN'T in the gutter.

It would make a progressive, so socially yes it would make you quite liberal.

This forum is liberal and overly accepting, I get that so obviously I'm going to ganged up on in this argument and browbeaten.  But the fact remains I'm fine with somebody being gay, I'm not fine with someone living a lie.

Well when you have pressure to be a certain way and you are different, then you can talk.

Grilled ham and cheese is FFood. Good for the Scots. I hear they even eat fried chicken. Congrats.

We batter then fry the chicken...twice :)

The sandwich looks disgusting, fwiw...but thats probably because I don't eat pig ;)

Cheese and tomato however...yum.

Give me a monte cristo instead of ham and cheese.

You can have the monte cristo, i'll take the count.

from behind?

out to dinner. He'd pay, of course.

Enough with these food-related sexual innuendos!

Where would you eat out?

Joe's Crab shack... duh

I try to avoid crabs...but maybe we could have some sausage meatballs with a bit of sauce.

No. No, no, no. I am not involved in this silliness. I know what you're getting at, young man.

Oh, and it's "gravy," not sauce but let's not get started with that...

:D

Since when is bolognese sauce gravy?

That really is a beauty.

Certain Italian - Americans call it gravy. It's just a habit. I don't know where or how it originated but some of us are adament about calling it that and others are adament in saying that we're wrong.

This thread is going to go from talking about someone coming out of the closet to pasta sauce/gravy. Amazing.

Then there's us Americans with Scandinavian roots that really only eat meatballs with gravy... you know... kinda brownish colored with all sorts of butter and fat and general deliciousness... with the meatballs still a little bit pink in the middle.

I know that this post eventually leads to a series of jokes, but I wanted to mention that I'm thinking about studying abroad in Scotland. :)  It's very much just a thought, though.  I'm more Scottish than anything (that I know of) and my great-grandpa (from Scotland) would be very happy I went there.

I'm also thinking about going to Germany, but I don't know any German lol

Rin-chan

So, anyways...

We (Ty and I) decided to cool it for a bit. That doesn't mean that we can't have a relationship in the future, it's just that we both need time to asses where we are in life and what our next steps are going to be.

Freudian slip?

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Lol.