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Title: Obama's Secretary of Education: Arne Duncan
Post by: Lunar on December 15, 2008, 06:41:21 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arne_Duncan
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Tomorrow, at a school in the Chicago area, President-Elect Barack Obama will announce his choice to lead the Department of Education, and education insiders, citing the Obama transition team, say it's Arne Duncan, the CEO of schools there.

A senior transition official confirms that Obama plans to nominate Duncan.

Duncan has run Chicago schools for seven years and has become friendly with Obama. A 6 foot 5 inch tall Harvard grad and former Australian professional basketball player, he's managed the political hat trick of winning praise from the education reform community, the unions, and is well-liked by parents, too.

He's worked in the trenches as No Child Left Behind became law, and has had some success in closing failed schools and improving student performance. Last week, outgoing Education Secretary Margaret Spellings met with Duncan and gave him her blessing.
Critics say he's a "corporate" type who favors metrics over actual knowledge about how children learn, but the American Federation of Teachers praises his management style. He's beloved by charter schools advocates.

Like Obama, Duncan favors merit pay for teachers and administrators, but he's been cautious about pushing the concept too far without input from teachers' unions.

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/12/obamas_ed_pick_set_to_drop_tom.php


Title: Re: Obama's Secretary of Education: Arne Duncan
Post by: Lunar on December 15, 2008, 06:46:51 PM
That makes HOW MANY of Obama's top officials that are former Basketball stars/players?  A half-dozen?!

The pickup games after cabinet meetings will be RIDIC


Title: Re: Obama's Secretary of Education: Arne Duncan
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on December 15, 2008, 07:45:45 PM
What non-basketball-related qualifications does he have?


Title: Re: Obama's Secretary of Education: Arne Duncan
Post by: Lief 🗽 on December 15, 2008, 09:43:26 PM
Aw. I was pulling for Mr. William Ayers. :(


Title: Re: Obama's Secretary of Education: Arne Duncan
Post by: Flying Dog on December 15, 2008, 10:01:03 PM
Eh, I really don't care to tell the truth. I know I should, but I don't.

He's kind of good looking, anyways. In a distinguished kind of way. ...yeah, I know nothing.


Title: Re: Obama's Secretary of Education: Arne Duncan
Post by: Bacon King on December 16, 2008, 02:22:14 AM
Aw, so much for that Scott Cowen rumor.


Title: Re: Obama's Secretary of Education: Arne Duncan
Post by: Lunar on December 16, 2008, 11:59:46 AM
What non-basketball-related qualifications does he have?

http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/16/nobody-better-than-arne-duncan/

Freakonomics readers will remember Arne as the hero of our chapter on teacher cheating. He was head of the Chicago Public Schools when Brian Jacob and I were investigating how teachers and administrators were doctoring standardized test sheets.

With seemingly nothing to gain and much to lose, Arne embraced our results, even allowing us to do audit testing to confirm our hypotheses. Eventually, a handful of teachers were fired.

Since then, I’ve interacted with Arne a few times, and in a variety of settings. I always walk away dazzled. He is smart as hell and his commitment to the kids is remarkable. If you wanted to start from scratch and build a public servant, Arne would be the end product.

About five years ago, I joked with him that he was not even 40 years old and he had the second-best job in education. He had nowhere to go but down, since the only better job would be secretary of education.

For all his accomplishments improving schools, perhaps even more remarkable are his accomplishments on the basketball court: he and his buddies have won the national Hoop It Up Three-On-Three basketball championship on multiple occasions.


Title: Re: Obama's Secretary of Education: Arne Duncan
Post by: Lunar on December 16, 2008, 01:21:44 PM
"If charter schools work let’s try that," Obama said. "Let’s not be clouded by ideology when it comes to figuring out what helps our kids."



Title: Re: Obama's Secretary of Education: Arne Duncan
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 16, 2008, 03:48:26 PM
"If charter schools work let’s try that," Obama said. "Let’s not be clouded by ideology when it comes to figuring out what helps our kids."



God bless him.


Title: Re: Obama's Secretary of Education: Arne Duncan
Post by: Lief 🗽 on December 16, 2008, 05:46:04 PM
I have nothing against charter schools. As long as we're not defunding public schools to send people to private schools, I'm fine.


Title: Re: Obama's Secretary of Education: Arne Duncan
Post by: Lunar on December 16, 2008, 06:06:34 PM
"If charter schools work let’s try that," Obama said. "Let’s not be clouded by ideology when it comes to figuring out what helps our kids."



God bless him.

Indeed.

I bolded that because I got in some heated arguments about whether Obama supported vouchers, and it seems post-election he is very much open to it.  I mean, with the financial crisis, I don't expect Obama to be spending any political capital at all on education, but maybe in his second term...

Duncan seems nifty since he isn't adverse to closing failing schools and firing bad teachers if he can openly catch them, while at the same time he seems to enjoy the good graces of the teachers unions.  I would actually prefer someone, on principle, that the teachers unions hated, but that might not be pragmatic.  Teacher's unions seem obsessed with the status quo, which makes them effectively anti-children since the status quo is unacceptable.  I'd be fine with paying teachers a lot more, but they'd have to actually deliver and not just be slackers on tenure like most of the people I've encountered.


Title: Re: Obama's Secretary of Education: Arne Duncan
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 16, 2008, 06:17:12 PM
"If charter schools work let’s try that," Obama said. "Let’s not be clouded by ideology when it comes to figuring out what helps our kids."



God bless him.

Indeed.

I bolded that because I got in some heated arguments about whether Obama supported vouchers, and it seems post-election he is very much open to it.  I mean, with the financial crisis, I don't expect Obama to be spending any political capital at all on education, but maybe in his second term...

Duncan seems nifty since he isn't adverse to closing failing schools and firing bad teachers if he can openly catch them, while at the same time he seems to enjoy the good graces of the teachers unions.  I would actually prefer someone, on principle, that the teachers unions hated, but that might not be pragmatic.  Teacher's unions seem obsessed with the status quo, which makes them effectively anti-children since the status quo is unacceptable.  I'd be fine with paying teachers a lot more, but they'd have to actually deliver and not just be slackers on tenure like most of the people I've encountered.

Yep. More of a reason why Obama is a FF on education.


Title: Re: Obama's Secretary of Education: Arne Duncan
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on December 16, 2008, 08:29:31 PM
I have nothing against charter schools. As long as we're not defunding public schools to send people to private schools, I'm fine.

This.

I wish Mike Honda had gotten the job, though. Maybe some other one...


Title: Re: Obama's Secretary of Education: Arne Duncan
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on December 16, 2008, 08:41:10 PM
but they'd have to actually deliver and not just be slackers on tenure like most of the people I've encountered.

What bist your job, Lunar?


Title: Re: Obama's Secretary of Education: Arne Duncan
Post by: Lunar on December 16, 2008, 11:25:24 PM
but they'd have to actually deliver and not just be slackers on tenure like most of the people I've encountered.

What bist your job, Lunar?

bist?

And, I may have been exaggerating.


Title: Re: Obama's Secretary of Education: Arne Duncan
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on December 16, 2008, 11:49:24 PM
but they'd have to actually deliver and not just be slackers on tenure like most of the people I've encountered.

What bist your job, Lunar?

bist?

And, I may have been exaggerating.

Second-person singular form of "be". Not the correct tense here, I think.


Title: Re: Obama's Secretary of Education: Arne Duncan
Post by: Lunar on December 16, 2008, 11:54:10 PM
then I bist a student at a unibirstity


Title: Re: Obama's Secretary of Education: Arne Duncan
Post by: Jacobtm on December 17, 2008, 12:37:09 AM
Second-person singular form of "be". Not the correct tense here, I think.
What tense are you talking about, and when was it popularly used?


Title: Re: Obama's Secretary of Education: Arne Duncan
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on December 17, 2008, 01:04:00 AM
Second-person singular form of "be". Not the correct tense here, I think.
What tense are you talking about, and when was it popularly used?

Present; it's current in German, and it was common in certain English dialects, though that's dying out now.


Title: Re: Obama's Secretary of Education: Arne Duncan
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on December 17, 2008, 07:09:08 PM
but they'd have to actually deliver and not just be slackers on tenure like most of the people I've encountered.

What bist your job, Lunar?

bist?

And, I may have been exaggerating.

Second-person singular form of "be". Not the correct tense here, I think.

It most certainly is correct here! As in "ow bist old butt".


Title: Re: Obama's Secretary of Education: Arne Duncan
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on December 17, 2008, 07:22:16 PM
but they'd have to actually deliver and not just be slackers on tenure like most of the people I've encountered.

What bist your job, Lunar?

bist?

And, I may have been exaggerating.

Second-person singular form of "be". Not the correct tense here, I think.

It most certainly is correct here! As in "ow bist old butt".

Third-person as well?


Title: Re: Obama's Secretary of Education: Arne Duncan
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on December 17, 2008, 08:09:07 PM
but they'd have to actually deliver and not just be slackers on tenure like most of the people I've encountered.

What bist your job, Lunar?

bist?

And, I may have been exaggerating.

Second-person singular form of "be". Not the correct tense here, I think.

It most certainly is correct here! As in "ow bist old butt".

Third-person as well?

"Ow bist old butt" is a question and a greeting rolled into one.


Title: Re: Obama's Secretary of Education: Arne Duncan
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on December 17, 2008, 08:10:16 PM
but they'd have to actually deliver and not just be slackers on tenure like most of the people I've encountered.

What bist your job, Lunar?

bist?

And, I may have been exaggerating.

Second-person singular form of "be". Not the correct tense here, I think.

It most certainly is correct here! As in "ow bist old butt".

Third-person as well?

"Ow bist old butt" is a question and a greeting rolled into one.

What does it mean?


Title: Re: Obama's Secretary of Education: Arne Duncan
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on December 17, 2008, 08:39:41 PM
but they'd have to actually deliver and not just be slackers on tenure like most of the people I've encountered.

What bist your job, Lunar?

bist?

And, I may have been exaggerating.

Second-person singular form of "be". Not the correct tense here, I think.

It most certainly is correct here! As in "ow bist old butt".

Third-person as well?

"Ow bist old butt" is a question and a greeting rolled into one.

What does it mean?

"How are you, friend?"

It's a Forest of Dean expression. Sometimes it's "me old butt" or "old butty" rather than just "old butt".


Title: Re: Obama's Secretary of Education: Arne Duncan
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on December 17, 2008, 09:19:49 PM
but they'd have to actually deliver and not just be slackers on tenure like most of the people I've encountered.

What bist your job, Lunar?

bist?

And, I may have been exaggerating.

Second-person singular form of "be". Not the correct tense here, I think.

It most certainly is correct here! As in "ow bist old butt".

Third-person as well?

"Ow bist old butt" is a question and a greeting rolled into one.

What does it mean?

"How are you, friend?"

It's a Forest of Dean expression. Sometimes it's "me old butt" or "old butty" rather than just "old butt".

Does "old butt" have any cognates?


Title: Re: Obama's Secretary of Education: Arne Duncan
Post by: Lunar on December 18, 2008, 02:46:33 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/16/gay-high-school-could-be_n_151458.html

David Brody of CBNNews has a post up describing on possible point of contention between religious conservatives and President-elect Barack Obama's pick for the Department of Education, Arne Duncan: his support for Pride Campus, a proposal for a Chicago public school that would be "deliberately welcoming of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) teens." Pride Campus, which was a concept designed by the faculty of Chicago's Social Justice High School, was intended to address the shortfall in performance among LGBT teens by offering an environment that would not be...you know, hostile to their existence.




Title: Re: Obama's Secretary of Education: Arne Duncan
Post by: minionofmidas on December 19, 2008, 07:16:19 AM
Freakonomics readers will remember Arne as the hero of our chapter on teacher cheating.
Indeed I did. Immediately upon seeing the first name.